general-feedback-discussion

[maiden anvil]

I deleted my deaf suggestion

Cause people didn’t like it heheheh

[barren zephyr]

sad

[maiden anvil]

Yeee

[barren zephyr]

@white ruin
Legacy will, yes.
However not for a while until Evrima has more content than Legacy

[white ruin]

alright

@idle garden read what lightclaw said

[rare axle]

I don't understand why anyone would defend dense forests, the game is dead and if you ask most ppl one of the reasons why is because the map is a total nightmare

[barren zephyr]

hint hint. This game is not dead 👀

[rare axle]

Jungles are so dense anyone running inside for 5 seconds disappears, everyone avoid them at all costs because it's so bad to walk in

It's not dead? We used to have more than 6k ppl average and we're not even at 2k now lmao

[barren zephyr]

secondly.
The map is only a nightmare because it was made quickly with little effort, because the original map was too large

[low canopy]

taller/bigger trees would make jungle better imo

[barren zephyr]

https://steamcharts.com/app/376210

[rare axle]

Oh excuse me 2k5

[barren zephyr]

there has never been a time we've had 6k avg

[rare axle]

Lmao

Uh?

[barren zephyr]

current is 3.2k Avg

The Isle's highest player count has been 11k
But that was during Evrima's launch

[rare axle]

The isle legit had 6k average before evrima

[barren zephyr]

yes it did

but not as an avg

[rare axle]

For the entire European day time it was 6k lmao

Everydays

[barren zephyr]

well, I'm sorry, the only way you can play Isle is through steam (Except for Nvidia experience, which still uses Steam) and the numbers don't lie

[rare axle]

My point is, most of the map rn is super dense jungles that are super bad to roam in

And 2m tall grasslands everywhere

[barren zephyr]

don't forget #phase-two-archive

and the large map update for update 4

[rare axle]

And every ppl that stopped playing kept complaining about these jungles

So I'm not sure why it's defended

[barren zephyr]

because it's being improved

[rare axle]

It's good looking yes?

But the gameplay?

[barren zephyr]

I mean the jungles adds a viable sense to the game

a horror aspect

and a survival aspect

[rare axle]

What horror aspect? The map is so big you won't meet anyone in these jungles

And even if someone passed by

[barren zephyr]

well

[rare axle]

You won't see him

[barren zephyr]

that's the point

[rare axle]

The game is about hunting you can't even hunt

[barren zephyr]

you can't see them... they can't see you... until

[rare axle]

That's the point?

[barren zephyr]

go to the fields

or just wait till update 4 comes out

[rare axle]

So 20% of the map and we keep the 80% useless part

[barren zephyr]

don't forget they're improving grass to be tall and large

[rare axle]

Because it's good looking

Instead of making more open ones

[barren zephyr]

because that 80% is being modelled into region 2 and redwoods 🙂

alongside most servers can't run the full map currently

[rare axle]

[barren zephyr]

and... we are getting updated forests. Actually, updated Spiro

Spero was better... it's forests were better. Environment, lighting. Just better

but, until the map is optimised for Spero

[rare axle]

We haven't seen any updated looking forests yet

[barren zephyr]

we get Spiro

[rare axle]

And ppl are asking for denser forests

[barren zephyr]

Spero forests

[rare axle]

So I wouldn't say I'm hyped

Well "ppl"

Islecord, for the rest of the community

Big doubts

[barren zephyr]

note, not all people want denser forests

some people want different levels of forests

Thick to thin.
Depending on the environment and food etc

[rare axle]

Well If you look at the recent feedback, Indo suggestion to have less dense forests was massively disliked

Compared to one where someone said it should be more dense

Thats where my rant come from

[barren zephyr]

and some people asked for deaf compatibility, and people disliked it

so a good proportion of the community don't know what they're doing most of the times

[rare axle]

Yes but that's sad because we know that apparently devs listen to some of the suggestions that gets positive feedback, but this one in particular

I don't think ppl really processed the impact on the game

[barren zephyr]

yes

[rare axle]

They just think it's good looking so that's fine, is it fun to play in? Who cares I guess

[barren zephyr]

don't worry gab

the devs don't always put something into their game because it has the most ✅

it has to be firstly doable.
Than viable
Than actually a good idea

yes, people will complain. But complaining because they can't get what they want into a game they don't make nor own? It's dumb

[rare axle]

Well that's my only hope at this point, that they know what's good and what's not, but I'm not particularly convinced by what happened with the game lately

[night sand]

So am I

[night sand]

You can’t do that

[barren zephyr]

at least the devs are trying

[night sand]

They literally removed steam

You can’t play evrima now with GeForce

[barren zephyr]

ah well good

I haven't tried anyways

[night sand]

So for players like me, who were promised better optimization that was not present, GeForce was our hope

And now, it’s gone

[barren zephyr]

true

not sure if there is any information about bringing it back

however, hearing about optimisation improvements from the devs. People with lower end PCs can play with higher FPS, slightly higher hopefully

[night sand]

Now, most of us can’t go through the game without putting everything to low, and bearing the pain of 9 FPS

[barren zephyr]

I understand

[night sand]

They said they would “update us” on it, and they haven’t said anything. At all. They removed it permanently

[barren zephyr]

that pain suffers through my vains too.
I only hope QoL gets better

[barren zephyr]

ah, well, what fun

[vague jacinth]

I mean, I never personally had any trouble with dense jungle, i just listen for footsteps. Sure, it isn’t perfect, but if they got to the jungle as a small animal and I’m hunting them, they got to a pseudo-safe zone. They deserve to live.

[rare axle]

They don't need the game to give them Harry Potter's invisible cloak in order to survive

You can have jungles without them putting bushes in your faces every 30 centimeters

At the end of the day it shouldn't be too easy to grow, it's always a risk and you always can be killed

And I do realise you can use your ears to some degrees but I don't think it's fun to play a video game where the forest is so dense you can almost ignore your monitor and rely on your headset only
And it's relying on sound for creatures that can sometimes disappear out of your hearing distance in 3 seconds because they're so fast and agiles

[valid elk]

@gritty hawk I acrually made an Iguanodon suggestion, if you wanna look at that!

[paper oriole]

there are a lot of reasons to add iggy but you gotta give some idea of what it'd do to make a suggestion Wud

@tawny juniper wrong channel to criticize the iggy suggestion as just a thinner maia. and also wrong lol

skinny maia?

[tawny juniper]

Literally

[paper oriole]

[tawny juniper]

Whats your point it has thicker hands

It has a different posture?

[paper oriole]

maia is a runner and not built for fighting. iggy is built to defend itself, it is a brawler who can grapple attackers

[tawny juniper]

Alright

So a brawler maia

And we need that why?

[paper oriole]

????? so is giga just a bleeder rex?

[barren zephyr]

Because Iguanadon is awesome, thats why

[tawny juniper]

Effectivley yes

[barren zephyr]

yeah bro and Diablo is just smaller Trike... ok

[tawny juniper]

Mid tier fast trike

Yes

Also correct

[barren zephyr]

Is Spino Rex but with large Spine, big hands and can go in water

[paper oriole]

why are they adding mono? what makes it unique? iggy is much more unique (not dissing them adding mono just making a comparison)

[barren zephyr]

Is Allo just Rex but small

[tawny juniper]

Spino is aquatic lower damage rex

[tawny juniper]

Allo is midtier fast carnivore

[barren zephyr]

And Maia is a midtier fast herbivore

why have variety when you can just have 1 herbivore and 1 carnivore

And Iguanadon is big brawler herbivore

[paper oriole]

why add austro? it's just a weak utah that eats fish lol

see how that looks

[barren zephyr]

Just as Allo is midtier fast acrnivor and Rex is big brawler carnivore

Hmm????

why add variety to gameplay and give them unique abilities and mechanics

[tawny juniper]

Iguanodon is just fighter maia

[barren zephyr]

And thats bad why

[paper oriole]

yes it is similar in maia in anatomy and has a different playstyle... and?

[tawny juniper]

Because its just maia with the ability to defend itself better?

[paper oriole]

"this is just that with a different playstyle" the different playstyle is one of the reasons to add it lmao

[barren zephyr]

So its not maia since they have different playstyles

[tawny juniper]

Why spend the time developing a dinosaur that does mostly the same

[barren zephyr]

They have different abilities, different strengths, differnt diets (Iggy can use those hands to browse through trees)

you fail to realize iguanadon has a lot of potentional for unique abilities and mechanics

So again why is Iguanadon mostly the same, its not at all

such as any dino

[paper oriole]

they are spending the time and money on mono and iggy has more things that make it unique without artificially adding things

[tawny juniper]

And maia is just crap in the mud?

[barren zephyr]

dude

[barren zephyr]

??

[paper oriole]

maia is a RUNNER and should use CC

[barren zephyr]

Maia can run and traverse areas better than Iggy can

Different playstyles for different players

Para is a bit of both

[paper oriole]

Iggy is a brawler, grappler, and only runs as a last resort

[barren zephyr]

Shant can be thrown away and replaced with Iggy : )

[paper oriole]

eh shant is fine

[tawny juniper]

Iggy can also run

It just has more combat ability

Its not like iggy just fights

They are also runners

Unless they can fight whats attacking

[paper oriole]

i said it can run too though?

[tawny juniper]

As a last resort

[paper oriole]

common sense that it should be able to escape what it has bad chances against

[barren zephyr]

Shant is not at all justified unless it can stand up and kick rexes in the face

[tawny juniper]

From what I understand from what you have said, Iggy can fight then rarely runs?

[paper oriole]

i was thinking shant could knock enemies over and stamp them to death like a moose or zebra

[tawny juniper]

Its not like maia has no combat ability

[paper oriole]

iggy isn't as capable of running as maia, it is a strong fighter so it shouldnt be able to run down mid tiers, it can run away from apexes and other pseudos

[tawny juniper]

Iggy isnt just a brawler

It runs aswell

[paper oriole]

maia should be able to run away from much more

bro

[tawny juniper]

Not just from apex

[barren zephyr]

Its mostly a brawler

[paper oriole]

i just said it can run lmao

this is balance

[barren zephyr]

It should only run from Apex

[tawny juniper]

I understand but you act like if it isnt an apex iggy fights it

[paper oriole]

it shouldnt be able to run down smaller predators and just shank them to death ezpz

[tawny juniper]

Whats the point?

[paper oriole]

it is designed to defend itself, that's its gameplay

[tawny juniper]

You think iggy is going to be threatened by troodons?

[barren zephyr]

?

[paper oriole]

so yes it will most likely fight mid tiers rather than run

[paper oriole]

????? what???

where are you getting this from?

[tawny juniper]

"RUn down smaller predators", You think if it has to defend itself this thing is going to chase whats endagering it?

[barren zephyr]

What

[paper oriole]

no i'm saying herbi players (including myself) WILL run down smaller predators and kos them for fun if we can

[tawny juniper]

I don't understand, "Iggy is a brawler" "Iggy is a runner"

[paper oriole]

so it should be fast enough to escape other pseudos and apexes but not fast enough to run down smalls and be toxic

[barren zephyr]

Iggy is a brawler who runs from things it cant fend off, just like Teno does

[tawny juniper]

Then your just a straight up dick, Your trying to build iggy to fit your own playstyle

[paper oriole]

wtf

this is literally a common thing currently in legacy

[tawny juniper]

Yeah and dicks do it

[paper oriole]

look at theris on no rules servers running down allos for fun

this is basic balance

wtf

[tawny juniper]

I'm not saying your the only one who does, I'm saying the behavior in general is just stupid

What do you gain from kicking down a baby rex

[barren zephyr]

Fun?

[paper oriole]

it is but it has to be considered in balance because we are humans and we are assholes

[tawny juniper]

Do you get some inner sense of completion

[barren zephyr]

No we have fun

What fun do we get from standing around doing nothing, waiting to be killed bya rex

[tawny juniper]

I'm sure its so much fun in those five seconds your chasing it and killing it

[tawny juniper]

I mean thats the game, Its survival

That is survival

[barren zephyr]

Well its not fun

I wanna have fun

So I make my own fun

[paper oriole]

if iggy gets in and is a powerhouse AND a marathon running athlete me and other toxic herbi mains WILL run down ceras for shits and giggles and we will enjoy it

[barren zephyr]

In Evrima they will try to make survival more fun

But its cureently not fun

[paper oriole]

but we shouldnt do that, it's bad balance

[tawny juniper]

I mean thats entirely opinion based

But ok

[barren zephyr]

I dont think its fun soooo

[tawny juniper]

You can't just declare the game isnt fun as if you speak for everyone who's played it

[barren zephyr]

I do what I find fun, which is killing other players

[tawny juniper]

Then play carno

Carni*

Then you survive and get to kill

[barren zephyr]

I do but sometimes I like to play herbi because I like the animal, and I get to be with other herbis and socialize

[hybrid matrix]

wait

[paper oriole]

iggy would be something for herbi players who want a fight rather than to haul ass all the time and also not be slow as fuck or small

[hybrid matrix]

who's arguing against iggy?

[valid elk]

I actually gave some great reasons for Iguanodon.

[tawny juniper]

me

[paper oriole]

he thinks it's just fast skinny maia

[hybrid matrix]

here we go

[paper oriole]

or something

[hybrid matrix]

ok

if anything

[paper oriole]

he won't listen to any reasons so far

[hybrid matrix]

iggy is like a mid tier shant if we're talking legacy

but in evrima

iggy is very much not a mid tier shant

[tawny juniper]

I understand, Its fine if it can fight its own predators but why would they add a herbi that specializes in just hunting and killing carnis

[paper oriole]

??? who said it would hunt???

[hybrid matrix]

guys

[paper oriole]

i literally said it couldn't run down smaller preds

[hybrid matrix]

lemme handle this question

[valid elk]

"Yeah, it's like Maiasaura. Maiasaura is famous for being a bulky fighter with massive thumb spikes and arms that could break your ribs with one smack! I mean, Maia could obviously take on an Allosaurus and just beat it back with its arms, that's just what Maia can do."

[hybrid matrix]

iggy is a survivalist
it has a large diet
it can hold its own in a 1v1 with an acro
its fast enough to outrun apexes
however, it is not fast enough to outrun midtiers

iggy runs from apexes

[paper oriole]

i've been telling him this

[hybrid matrix]

but it fights mid tiers

[valid elk]

Not only that, but I actually gave great reasons for Iguanodon, hold on

[hybrid matrix]

carter i can link you my iggy suggestion if u wanna read why iggy would be such a great addition

[paper oriole]

it is a unique herbi with a high dps grappling fighting style who is fast enough to run from apexes and other pseudos but not fast enough to run down mid tiers, his first instinct is to fight unlike maia who is built to run. he just doesn't listen

also idk where the "skinny" maia comment came from because iggy is buff as fuck

[valid elk]

#general-feedback message

[hybrid matrix]

yeah iggy is not skinny

[valid elk]

Weighs 5 tons.

I think Maia was...three tons?

[hybrid matrix]

carter u still here?

[paper oriole]

looks like he's offline idk maybe just hidden

[finite iron]

Sooooo, replace maia with iggy? 👀

[hybrid matrix]

here's my iggy suggestion #general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

noh

[hybrid matrix]

they can both live in the same environment

[paper oriole]

maia is fine where it is

[hybrid matrix]

theyre quite different

[paper oriole]

a tanky runner who can use cc

it just needs to be fixed so it isnt running down dilos and headbutting them, maybe make its headbutt stop its acceleration when used while running

[barren zephyr]

Nah Maia would live in a different environment from Iggy

[valid elk]

It's more akin to...they fill different roles. Like how Stegosaurus and Pachyrhinosaurus can live in the same enviornment. Both are defensive herbis, but they react differently.

[hybrid matrix]

or
or
maia can get a tiny stun that messes up its movement for a second when it headbutts while running
speed plus head bopping = concussion

[valid elk]

I actually suggested Iguanodon had a different diet in different stances. On two legs? Pull down tree branches and feed on the leaves. On all fours? Graze on grass and eat bushes.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i suggested that too

iggy is a survivalist

[paper oriole]

eh halting its acceleration so it has to start up again is basically the same thing

[hybrid matrix]

it has a large diet

[hybrid matrix]

ig

[paper oriole]

maia can jam his thumbs into trees and shake them to knock shit down lol

maybe thatd look dumb but i want it

[hybrid matrix]

maia?

[paper oriole]

er not maia, iggy

[hybrid matrix]

u mean iggy>

[paper oriole]

im thinkin off track

[hybrid matrix]

well i mean

iggy doesnt need to knock trees down

it can stand up

[paper oriole]

not knock them down, just shake them

[hybrid matrix]

and then eat directly from the trees

[valid elk]

Basically like a ground slothe.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[valid elk]

Grab the branch with those big arms and pull them down.

[hybrid matrix]

well

i mean

it can just reach the food with its head

bc its tall

and it can reach it

with its mouth

[valid elk]

Or just stand up and eat those leaves, whatever works.

[hybrid matrix]

@tawny juniper u still here?

[sacred quest]

one of iguanadons predators could be giga as well as in real life they were preyed on by gigas

[hybrid matrix]

eh

maybe

[paper oriole]

i mean if giga can get the jump on one sure

but it should be fast enough to run from apexes since it wouldnt have great odds againt them

[valid elk]

Didn't Baryonyx eat Iguanodon? Or was it just an Iguanodontid...

[hybrid matrix]

our bary might actually stand a chance against a lone iggy

i mean

its gonna be in favor of the iggy

but a skilled bary might actually be able to win

[paper oriole]

Adult mega climbing any tres is ehhhh, it could probably clamber up rocks or the roots on the XL trees though

The juveniles tho def

[barren zephyr]

Adult Megalania shouldnt be able to climb trees, atleast in a vertical setting.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

It has no need to climb trees either.

[valid elk]

I mean, the babies do.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

Babies could, sure, but they already have a plethora of options in water, burrowing, tight spaces, rocks, rtc.

Monitor lizards climb trees to feed on stuff, but rn there is no AI or anything to hunt in the trees, so I reckon that Mega has no need to climb trees since it already has many more options, but its whatever.

[languid cairn]

@coarse panther I'm fine with the Hatchling and Juvi doing this. Not the adults. They're at least a ton and 20ft, should rely on other forms of travel/protection, like swimming.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[silk root]

How can we spawn the dinosaur at its biggest, what should I do?

[barren zephyr]

What

[silk root]

utahraptoru en büyük halde nasıl spawn edebilim

I don't have much English, I use google translate

[jade schooner]

Not the right chat to ask, should take it to isle discussions. But anyways: in evrima you can't as far as I know, in legacy you either get injected as a full grown by admins, or play sandbox. Spawning in survival will only get you started as a juvenile

[barren zephyr]

@tall oasis You kinda just described locational damage, which is already in the game, lol.

[tall oasis]

yee, but anky will take half the damage of any carnivores, like I said in the post. Carnos deal 350 damage to any creature besides headshots and tail shots, Anky will only take 50% less damage anywhere on the body besides headshots, so a Carno will deal 175 damage on a body, and 25% of the locational damage on a tail shot. is what i meant

[jade schooner]

kinda, but it would be cool to have an "armor" trope next to it, but matching it with "armor piercing" qualities (maybe bone breakers like rex? who knows), who deal more damage than the armor can withstand usually, so instead of the 50% sadness says, it can only avoid a 33-25% or something like it. Or maybe it could receive regular damage, when it's not a "slash" damage (think a pachy or another anky attack)

[barren zephyr]

Again, the locational damage mechanic covers for your suggestion, Anky will obviously take far less damage when hit in it's armored regions. No need for a ''heavy armor'' concept or whatever.

[tall oasis]

But locational damage will have a reduction too.

[barren zephyr]

Naw Rex shouldnt have an ''armor piercing attack'', this isnt JW Alive. It does greater damage than any other carnivore sure, but if it hits the armored section its not gonna get much mileage out of that.

[tall oasis]

yes, I said that in the post

Anky will only take 25% more damage from apexes

[jade schooner]

Rex was the first thing come to mind, due to it's jaw strength. Don't know what JWAlive is tho. But I get what you mean

[tall oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/indominous-rex-bite-fighting-jurassic-world-gif-17280654

I was thinking of something like this

tier 4 carnivores would have to hit headshots to deal damage

[swift dew]

trike should be able to pierce armor, what is 4 inch armor going to protect from a 5 foot spike (obviously not for full damage, maybe like 10% damage reduction)

[tall oasis]

true

[barren zephyr]

My issue is that you are conjuring up mechanics that arent neccesary, and is already resolved with how current mechanics functioned. Anky will just have a lower value of locational damage.

[tall oasis]

yes

so would all damage have a 50% reduction work?

idk anymore

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like if anky were immune to attacks from midtiers, and took 75% damage from apexes (25% dmg decrease), but it were slow enough that it couldn't catch anything (so like, 20 kph for full adult), and it did enough damage that it could hold its own against apexes, then i'd be fine with it
its slow enough that it cant be like stegos who are hyper aggressive for no reason, it has enough armor and damage that it doesnt have to worry about mid tiers (only once it reaches adult), and it can hold its own against apexes
a true tank, like anky should be

since it cant catch midtiers, and it probably wouldnt have the best turn, taking no damage from their attacks means that allos cant bully an anky

[barren zephyr]

My vision based on hypothetical situation where an Allo attacks an Anky:

-Body/Back Shot: It barely does any damage or bleed, Anky can shrug it off no problem and it risks being swung at by that tail.
Like ~10% of regular Allo damage

-Limbs: Armored as well, but more vulnerable. If you cant find an opening for the head, this is the next best thing. ~50% of regular Allo damage.

-Tail: You deal no damage and are 100% taking a swing to the face; you dun goofed bro.

Head: The place you wanna hit, you deal your regular damage output.

There is no place you can hit an Anky in which increases your damage because its supposed to be tanky, and thats what it will be.

[hybrid matrix]

an allo shouldnt be able to fight a boulder with legs

[jade schooner]

The one thing I would change is the tail, by giving it only a small amount of bleed and damage, but nothing significant (I mean base and most length of it, not the club. Attacking the club should do nothing)

[tall oasis]

like the idea, but how is a mid tier supposed to bite the legs?

[barren zephyr]

It wont, Im just using it for the hypothetical situation. Even if you get headshots you gotta hit it like a bunch of times as an Allo, where the Anky just two shots you and fractures you with the first hit.

[hybrid matrix]

honestly
that allo should take damage from trying to bite a literal block of stone because its teeth are gonna SNAP

[hybrid matrix]

attacking the club should damage u
ur biting a dense chunk of bone with ur little allo teeth

[tall oasis]

Apexes should deal 65% of there damage, Anky would just be screwed to apexes because Anky can't run from them

[barren zephyr]

Depends on what The Dev wanna do. I do agree that Anky should take jack shit from an allo bite anywhere except the head, but just being conservative because people complain over stuff like that.

[hybrid matrix]

big bone make tiny bone snap

[hybrid matrix]

ppl complain about iggy
i kno how dumb this community can be

i feel like if iggy were already confirmed and some ppl were saying that they didnt think it was a good addition, the same ppl who r currently against iggy, would be against removing it

[tall oasis]

all damage from tier 1, 2, 3, and 4 carnivores should at least do 50% of damage to an Anky, but apexes do 65% of damage.

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[tall oasis]

or 70% for apexes

[hybrid matrix]

u rlly think that tiny utahraptor teeth are gonna do damage to an anky?

idky anky is classified as a reptile, the thing practically has an exoskeleton

[tall oasis]

thats on't 25 damage to anky, with 1800 health

[hybrid matrix]

btw damage isnt gonna work the same way it did in legacy, so that math doesnt work

[brave rampart]

A utah isn't gonna do shit to anky.

Also take into consideration it has armour, so it may negate Utahs damage

[tall oasis]

sorry 5553 health

[hybrid matrix]

??

where'd u get that

[tall oasis]

from the wiki page

[hybrid matrix]

...

the wiki?

[brave rampart]

The wiki is outdated

[sacred quest]

utah should do damage if it hits the right spots but that damage would be close to nothing

[brave rampart]

Pretty sire

[hybrid matrix]

the wiki uses legacy stats

[brave rampart]

Sure

[tall oasis]

but the wiki has the newer concepts for anky and anky has been the same in legacy

[hybrid matrix]

the only way a utahraptor should be able to damage an ankylosaurus is if it somehow crawls under its belly and then rips the anky to shreds from below

[tall oasis]

i believe

[sacred quest]

utah shouldnt be hunting anky at all

[tall oasis]

yee

[hybrid matrix]

only rex should hunt anky

[brave rampart]

Well it uses legacy stats so those are outdated

Atleast I'm pretty sure

[hybrid matrix]

rex and giga are the only things that I could see doing damage to anky

[tall oasis]

well, im just using legacy health

[hybrid matrix]

again
outdated

[barren zephyr]

Hot take: Adult Anky should die to absolutely nothing except Apexes or large packs of Alberto/Acro only.

[hybrid matrix]

not even berties or acros should have a chance at killing an anky

[brave rampart]

Apexes should be the only ones hunting anky. Maybe Pseudo mids if they have a big enough pack, but that will probably be a bloodbath in ankys favor

[hybrid matrix]

guys

[sacred quest]

i mean i could see a alberto doing something but it would get bodied real quick

[hybrid matrix]

dont forget, even if u have a big group of pseudo apexes, its still an anky

[barren zephyr]

Eh...Albertos maybe not, but I can see Acros putting in some work. They are pretty heavy.

[hybrid matrix]

just bc theres a bunch of acros against one anky, doesnt mean that anky is gonna take any more damage than it would in a 1v1

[brave rampart]

I mean that's the samething for any dino really

Bigger pack equals more people to damage the anky and take blows

which will be lethal mind you

[tall oasis]

dilos could if they have the same bleed damage

[brave rampart]

NO

[hybrid matrix]

just no

[tall oasis]

OP dicks

dilos

[brave rampart]

Dilos should not be able to kill an anky

[sacred quest]

do you think anky would be a apex or a pseudo apex?

[tall oasis]

mabey...

[brave rampart]

Apex tier probably? Idk

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
it SHOULD be an apex
but the devs are gonna make it a mid

[sacred quest]

anky should have pretty good bleed resistance

[barren zephyr]

I dunno dude...Anky is a hard animal to balance. You either make it invincible to anything that isnt an Apex and boring to play, or you try to make it susceptible to skilled packs and it sucks.

[hybrid matrix]

there are only 3 tiers in the eyes of the devs

small tier, mid tier, and apex

[tall oasis]

could a carno beat a anky in a pack?

[hybrid matrix]

no pseudo anything

[hybrid matrix]

h to the e to the l to the l to the HELL NO

[barren zephyr]

Not in a million years

[tall oasis]

Tier 4s are carno, aberto, acro, and so on

[sacred quest]

carno pack would be killed so easily

[hybrid matrix]

sadness

there are no number tiers

[barren zephyr]

Allos? Okay thats like the maximum that should be able to have some sort of chance against Anky. Anything below is a big no.

[hybrid matrix]

its small tier, mid tier, and apex

[brave rampart]

Just face it

Anything '< big pseudo packs' will not do shit to anky

[hybrid matrix]

allo is too small

[tall oasis]

wait, i just found out that ankys head has exceptional armor

[brave rampart]

Allo is able to take on anky in a pack of like 5 but there will be a huge causality for the allps

Allos

[barren zephyr]

Anky is a beast bro

[hybrid matrix]

no

just

[brave rampart]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

no

[tall oasis]

i agree

[brave rampart]

Wait is Allo mid tier or pseudo apex

[hybrid matrix]

skau

think about it

[sacred quest]

i feel the only chance anything apart from apexes should get at killing a anky is when anky is young or really old

[barren zephyr]

Its mid tier

[hybrid matrix]

an allo has a biteforce similar to a lion

[barren zephyr]

Pseudo Apex would be Acro/Sucho

[brave rampart]

Okay I retract my statement

[tall oasis]

A pack of allos could screw a Anky

[brave rampart]

No

If allo is mid tier

No

[hybrid matrix]

sucho is a pseudo only because of its weight

[sacred quest]

allos arent designed for it

[hybrid matrix]

sadness

dont forget

[tall oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/indominous-rex-bite-fighting-jurassic-world-gif-17280654

[hybrid matrix]

the dinosaur that was in that gif was 30 feet tall and 50 feet long

[brave rampart]

Pseudo apexes are the FIRST tier to be able to dent anky, only with a massive group. And probably about 4-5 pseudo apexes, but also take into consideration the amount of creatures that will be dead because of anky

[hybrid matrix]

and also not real

[hybrid matrix]

still no

[barren zephyr]

Indom shouldve just died right on the spot from taking a club to the face but whatever

[brave rampart]

Yes

Still yes

[tall oasis]

i guess

[sacred quest]

and a genetically modified bioweapon pretty much

[hybrid matrix]

BuT tHiCk BoNeS

[brave rampart]

I said dent not kill it fyi

[tall oasis]

but, ankys head is well armord

[hybrid matrix]

yes i kno

but it shouldnt even dent it

think about how thick anky's armor is

[tall oasis]

so should there be reduced headshot damage?

[brave rampart]

Well then what do you suppose is better balance

[hybrid matrix]

im saying that anky should only be threatened by rex, giga, strains, cama, and brachi

[sacred quest]

well i mean the top of the head is well armoured but if a creature has a big enough mouth it could pierce the bottom where the throat is

[hybrid matrix]

a big enough head as in a giga or a rex

or an acro now that i think about it

[sacred quest]

i agree

[hybrid matrix]

wait

how big is acro's head? i forgot

[barren zephyr]

Guys what if Allo packs all shoved Anky over collectively onto its underside, that would kill it

[sacred quest]

anky should only have trouble from mid tiers and raptors when its young

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[sacred quest]

when its armour is soft

[tall oasis]

ANKY < REX
ANKY < ALLO
ANKY < GIGA
ANKY < SPINO

ANKY > CARNO
ANKY > ACRO
ANKY > ABERTO
ANKY > SUCHO

[barren zephyr]

I feel Spino (atleast this Spino) would have a good matchup against Anky, it could use those arms to grapple its head in place and get a bite on the neck...possibly, idk

[hybrid matrix]

once it matures (adult stage) anky should only have to worry about acros and apexes
but once its full adult, it should only worry about apexes

[tall oasis]

flip dat dam boi over

[hybrid matrix]

here's how anky v spino would go down

the spino would walk away

if the spino doesnt walk away

it might try to engage the anky

if the anky sees the spino the spino rlly should walk away at this point

[tall oasis]

Any tier lower than 4, is screwed by Anky

[hybrid matrix]

however, if the spino manages to sneak up on the anky, flip it onto its back using its muscular arms, and then claw its neck open, then damn that anky sucks

anyway

wait b4 i go

[barren zephyr]

I dont think an Anky should even do anything if its getting attacked by a Utah, it just keeps grazing as normal as the Utah keeps attacking it for no damage at all.

[tall oasis]

ANKY = DIENO?

[hybrid matrix]

there are only 3 tiers
small, mid, and apex

[barren zephyr]

Tf is Deino gonna do against an Anky

[tall oasis]

4 tiers

[hybrid matrix]

lick its toes

[icy lion]

[hybrid matrix]

[tall oasis]

tier one is velo, tier 2 is herra, tier 3 is utah, tier 4 is carno, tier 5 is apex

[barren zephyr]

Deino ambushes Anky from the water, breaks all its teeth, and goes back crying as Anky just keeps drinking water through all of it.

[hybrid matrix]

r u using legacy tiers again?

[tall oasis]

Welllll....

[hybrid matrix]

dude

dont

use

legacy

if ur talking about evrima

[tall oasis]

what else will we use

[hybrid matrix]

its just gonna make u look silly

u gotta infer evrima tiers by looking at the dinos

[barren zephyr]

Dont use tiers at all, ranking animals is dumb

[icy lion]

tiers are fake

like

literally

we dont balance with ""tiers""

[barren zephyr]

Some animals are good at doing x things

And are bad at doing x things

Thassit

Like you can call Deino an Apex all you want

[icy lion]

tiers are good for the community to see what size a dinosaur is at a glance

[tall oasis]

well i saw them on a video that came out a couple months ago, so i thought it was for legacy and evrima

[barren zephyr]

But on land its pathetic, but on water and in an ambush, its very strong

[tall oasis]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

i classify the dinos based on wut role they play in an ecosystem

[tall oasis]

well i guess i won't use legacy for futer posts

[hybrid matrix]

anyway, i gtg

[tall oasis]

*future

i guess i might go too

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-trex-summer-sault-boom-running-gif-9694162

[swift dew]

how is allo better than anky but acro isnt?

[tall oasis]

acro has lower damage then apexs

and allo packs could kill a single anky

[swift dew]

allo isnt an apex

[tall oasis]

ik

[hybrid matrix]

allo has lower damage than acro

[tall oasis]

wait wha

[hybrid matrix]

acro is better than allo

[tall oasis]

dang

[hybrid matrix]

generally

like

its heavier

and faster

and better damage

so

it is better ig

[tall oasis]

well they are no longer implanting weight based damage

[swift dew]

i doubt it will be faster, it is far heavier

[hybrid matrix]

yeah the speed was a glitch

[barren zephyr]

Fun fact: Acros size in legacy is actually bugged, it was never meant to be that big. Hence the odd camera angle. - Supposedly from another player

[tall oasis]

can we figure out conclusion now about anky?

[hybrid matrix]

this is also why acro is so damn fast

[tall oasis]

yes, but low stam

[hybrid matrix]

if it werent that fast the animation would look weird

giant behemoth man moving slower than he's running

[tall oasis]

can we just figure out ankys place?

i just realized it has been an hour an a half

[hybrid matrix]

a whole hour actually

[tall oasis]

sense this conversation started lol

for me its 3:15

[hybrid matrix]

same

and it started an hour ago

[swift dew]

heavy defensive herbivore, above average health for its weight, takes low body locational damage, high raw damage

[tall oasis]

i rote the post an hour ago and right after this conversation

[tall oasis]

YES

[hybrid matrix]

just think of anky as a boulder with legs

[tall oasis]

perfect

[swift dew]

with a small boulder moving 40 mph (idk how fast actually) as a weapon

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt take damage, isnt fast, and if it hits u, u just got whacked by a boulder soooo draw ur own conclusions

[tall oasis]

[hybrid matrix]

no
not that fast

[swift dew]

anky should also be quite resistant to bleed so gigas cant body it

[tall oasis]

19mph

not fast

[swift dew]

this would also help against acro + allo, though they wouldn't be much of a threat anyway

[tall oasis]

true

i imagine that anky would have a long rest animation

[hybrid matrix]

40 mph is like, .6 miles per minute

thats insanely fast

that club has an estimated weight of 4 tons

[tall oasis]

I hope that will be EVRIMAs Anky stats.

[vast wolf]

ankys main weakness will probably be coordinated ambushes

[tall oasis]

yee

[hybrid matrix]

4 tons hanging from a tiny little tail cannot move at 40 mph unless the anky gets launched at a sufficiently high velocity

[swift dew]

also anky diet would consist of something found in forests/jungles

[vast wolf]

if your not big enough to instantly kill it if you catch it out or cant mob it its going to be hard to take one out.

[swift dew]

oops

[tall oasis]

prob

[swift dew]

didnt mean for that to be a reply

[hybrid matrix]

anky diet should be demolishing jungles

think about it

[vast wolf]

low lying foliage and fruit on the ground or from trees it cleaves in half with its tail.

[hybrid matrix]

its carrying a 4 ton chunk of bone on its tail, as well as its armor. its gonna need to eat a lot to have enough energy to lug that around

[swift dew]

i was thinking a plant with pretty blue flowers found in forested areas

maybe with fruit

[hybrid matrix]

no

anky should just eat jungles

[vast wolf]

4 ton chunk of bone. you mean its whole weight is the club.

[tall oasis]

possible

[hybrid matrix]

read past the comma

also thank u for turning the ping off

[vast wolf]

there is no comma between 4 ton and chunk of bone

[tall oasis]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

"its carrying a 4 ton chunk of bone on its tail, as well as its armor."

read that whole sentence

[vast wolf]

anky should just eat any low lying plants but its preferred plant should be rarer.

[tall oasis]

that could work

[brave rampart]

Its preferred meal will be the bodies of carnivores

[vast wolf]

its carrying a 4 ton chunk of bone on its tail, that means the chunk of bone is 4 tons.

[vast wolf]

only the finest of pulverized rex bones.

[hybrid matrix]

yes and read the last part of the sentence

[tall oasis]

isn't anky 5 tons?

[vast wolf]

its armor and the club dont weigh 4 tons together

[vast wolf]

4-5.

[hybrid matrix]

exaclty

exactly*

the club weighs 4 tons

the armor is also heavy (dont have an exact number)

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/beard-ginger-stroke-beard-stroke-ginger-beard-gif-15145661

[swift dew]

a quick google search says that the high estimate of anky weight is 9 tons

[vast wolf]

try like 200 kg max for the club alone.

[tall oasis]

woah

[sacred quest]

9 ton?!?!

[vast wolf]

googles anky weight is from like pre 2011

[sacred quest]

if thats not a apex i dont know what is

[tall oasis]

big boi

[swift dew]

the high estimate, the low estimate is is 5.5 tons

[hybrid matrix]

dude u dont need to have an IQ of 150 to understand that i was saying the club weighs 4 tons, and the armor is very heavy as well

[tall oasis]

is it possible to ask the devs about if anky would be underpowered?

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

i do have to go now

bye

[vast wolf]

weighed between 4.8 and 8 metric tons wiki is so beautiful. only a 4 ton weight sparsity.

[swift dew]

they wont purposely make anything underpowered

[tall oasis]

well they did that with carno, the first day he released

until he got buffed the following patches

[vast wolf]

as long as anky can make a predator screw off after it hits them if not kill them and takes almost no damage to the top of its body i think its fine.

[swift dew]

it wasn't purposeful, you really think they would make a legacy dino and a fan favorite weak just because?

[tall oasis]

also stego could use a buff

[sacred quest]

yeah as long as it breaks an apexes ankles and pulverises rib cages

[tall oasis]

yes ik, they don;t mean to

[vast wolf]

stego is probably getting a stat buff albiet a slight one. its definitely going to deal damage and bleed when its tail is bit.

[tall oasis]

but they did

i know they didn't mean to

[swift dew]

stego might get a small buff so like you said, but it is definitly going to get more buffs when more of the roster is added

[vast wolf]

perfect anky.

when mid tiers are in i assume stego will probably 1 shot carno on a head shot and force one to wallow on a body shot.

[tall oasis]

some game devs are so scared to buff or nerf some things in games. the isle isn't one of them, they accidently do it, if that makes sense

[sacred quest]

wallowing isnt doing anything if your ribcage is shattered and is causing u to drown in the blood pouring into your lungs (my bad i thought u said anky)

[swift dew]

and when apexes come stego will 1 shot carno to the body, no way a carno survives those 2-3 foot spikes impaled into its body

[vast wolf]

in this game it will.

[sacred quest]

misread

[tall oasis]

also, stego has a huge tail hitbox

thats good and bad

people could hit the tail without being hit

[vast wolf]

stego will probably play like anky just with no real armor and some good reach on its swing. also bleed.

[sacred quest]

yeah stegos tail hit box should probably be tweaked slightly and have it so if your in that hit box and it swings your taking damage

[tall oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffELEowX4ok

[vast wolf]

it was that the tail stab is a bad move the hitbox lingers and theres no countermeasure to deal with a carno riding you except not being baited.

[tall oasis]

credit to swarm

[sacred quest]

yeah stego combat wise will be similar but overal gameplay i feel will be quite different

[tall oasis]

so make it so, everytime you bite the stegos tail, u loose a small amount of damage like 15-20 damage

[vast wolf]

the only reason i compare anky and stegos fighting is because both are defensive tail attackers. trike is the next closest thing to stego combat wise aside from kentro.

[swift dew]

probably more raw damage too, those spikes hurt

[vast wolf]

anky should do more raw damage to body parts than stego.

[tall oasis]

if watch the vid, u will see what i mean

[vast wolf]

as anky can really only hit the legs of most predators taller than carno.

[sacred quest]

if you bite stegos tail it should do slight bleed and damage

[tall oasis]

yes

[swift dew]

stego has more control over its tail, and can swing it faster, i think stego should do more raw damage but only a little

[vast wolf]

if you get hit in the head you fucked up and the anky either timed is perfectly or caught you.

[tall oasis]

so people won't doing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffELEowX4ok

[paper oriole]

If you bite stego's spikes you deserve to have your attack reflected back at you not slight bleed and damage lol

[vast wolf]

cough anky can literally take somethings leg off. stego should do massive bleed and high damage but anky should still beat it out damage wise.

stego also has a larger aoe than anky.

[tall oasis]

how about no bleed damage but get fractured

or at least ur bones crack

[vast wolf]

anky likely wont do any bleed with its tail.

unless they give fractures bleed.

[sacred quest]

i feel if a rex fights anky it should have to be strategic about

[vast wolf]

rex should have to ambush anky to kill it.

if an anky puts its face to terrain it should be nearly untouchable.

[sacred quest]

yeah definitely should

[tall oasis]

ambush is getting removed

completely

[swift dew]

one bite to the head should kill an anky from a rex, this is balanced because with evrima turning in place a rex should never EVER be getting to your head without an ambush

[sacred quest]

actual ambush not a speed boost

[vast wolf]

not the stupid speed boost mechanic. literal ambushing.

[tall oasis]

nah, at least 2-3 bites

[sacred quest]

yeah the head should be its weak spot

[tall oasis]

got it

[vast wolf]

rex should have to grab ankys head and crush it to kill the anky. otherwise it does not feel like skill.

[tall oasis]

to OP

[swift dew]

you shouln't have to worry because rex shouldn't be getting to your head with evrima turning, also remember anky head is small

[tall oasis]

i guess

thats true

[vast wolf]

this exists because a realistic anky would turn too slow or clip its limbs into its body if it were ti out turn rex apparently.

[sacred quest]

maybe a apex should be able to charge anky and flip it over but that attack can pretty much be parried with a tail swipe

[tall oasis]

hmmm

nah

[vast wolf]

rex should have to grab anky by the face and win a pretty easy stamina battle.

[tall oasis]

it would be op to add a mechanic to do that. (if that's what u mean)

[swift dew]

if its two bites then a rex has no choice then to get a severe fracture even if it plays its cards correctly, leaving it very vulnerable even when it played correctly

[vast wolf]

basically if the rex has above 10% of its stam left and dosent fuck up or drains the ankys stam it wins.

[languid cairn]

@tall oasis I think it would be better to give Anky Super Armor which flat ignores dmg

[vast wolf]

rex grabs the anky by the head or has to get off multiple bites. not like anky can reach past its hip with its tail.

[tall oasis]

OP

[languid cairn]

Not necessarily

[tall oasis]

no damage??

[languid cairn]

It would only activate if you attack the wrong location

Example

[swift dew]

though in all seriousness anky should be completly immune to pounce

[sacred quest]

im not saying all apexes as such just a specific one and the attack is hard to pull off but yeah could be op

[vast wolf]

it should just be an 85%-95% damage reduction on top of the body or tail hits for anky.

[sacred quest]

yeah it should

[languid cairn]

A 20 ft Rex looking down can only bite at the shell

[vast wolf]

pounce should just do no bleed to anky and very little damage.

[tall oasis]

its like "press E to kill stego"

[swift dew]

depending on size, a troodon on an ankys back isnt gonna do squat

[iron lake]

wrong

[vast wolf]

theres already a baseline for that. hypsi cant damage stego in evrima at all.

also trample.

[iron lake]

back in the day i saw a troodon on an anky it fucked it up

[languid cairn]

Which means it can barely bite it at all because it can't fit its mouth around it.

[swift dew]

really? i thought that it is just unnoticable

[tall oasis]

dieno < anky

?

[vast wolf]

try it. if you bite a full grown stego as hypsi it doesnt even let out a hurt sound.

[swift dew]

well, even a utahraptor isnt going to be able to pierce ankys armor

[languid cairn]

That said, the feet, head, and tail are not buffed by Super Armor, and are fair game

[vast wolf]

because hypsi could have just ridden stego to death because its too short to be hit.

and they dont have trample in yet.

[swift dew]

bite, trust me it works

[sacred quest]

it would require a charge to do it. maybe hyper carno could do it as its the size of a rex but anky can just smack it in the face to cancel it out

[vast wolf]

cant bite the little shit if its under your belly or behind you and can out turn you.

[vast wolf]

no auto kills. its unskilled and braindead.

[tall oasis]

Hypos aren't coming, I'm pretty sure, but i guess that could work

[vast wolf]

rex should just have to either grab anky by the face and win a stam battle or land a few bites to ankys face.

[swift dew]

it isnt an auto kill, you have to get to its head first and with evrima turning is extremely hard to do if the anky notices it

[barren zephyr]

@jagged sentinel want an answer? It's because update 3 is bug fixing hell.

[vast wolf]

hypos are coming with perks elders and other systems.

[swift dew]

where did you hear this though, they absolutely are

[sacred quest]

hypos are coming the devs based the game around strains

[tall oasis]

devs on a news video

[vast wolf]

its really not hard to get around something thats turning in place.

[tall oasis]

from last month

[vast wolf]

show your lies

[sacred quest]

do u have a source?

[languid cairn]

I considered this. My solution is to allow Anky to tuck it's head to the side to make this harder.

[jagged sentinel]

@barren zephyr thanks a lot

[swift dew]

yeah, if your fast if your a slowass rex its pretty hard to get around an anky especially if you have been fractured

[vast wolf]

if you want rex to auto kill anky then trike should auto kill rex if it gets a single stomp.

[vast wolf]

if your leg is fractured then your either dead or have to limp away from the anky.

[tall oasis]

it was on a QA video on this channel, not sure the exact video, but heres the channel

[sacred quest]

not a stomp but impaled to the chest yes

[sacred quest]

ill check it out

[tall oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/user/YamiNoMarikuIshtar

[swift dew]

it. isnt. autokill. though. first you have to get to its head, then you have to charge you special, then you have to have decently more stamina

[vast wolf]

if you dont link the video then you have no source. that channle has thousands of hours of footage.

[tall oasis]

Also, Progression is not coming back

[vast wolf]

so grab its head and crush it by winning a stamina battle.

[crude girder]

TBF if something as important as strains were cut from the game there would be an announcement about it

[vast wolf]

^

[tall oasis]

they are doing strains, (I think) but not hypos

progression is not coming back

[languid cairn]

They already have Hypo Rex Conept

[swift dew]

they have literally showed the hyper rex concept, that is what they call hypos now

[lilac swallow]

We got a hyper Rex concept not long ago

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/719810078026366996/whyisthisthingsoaggroman.jpg

[languid cairn]

Anyways, what's this about auto killing Anky?

[crude girder]

They've always been Hyperendocrine

"Hypo" is because people thought Hyper was too hard to type

[lilac swallow]

For some weird reason

[vast wolf]

pretty sure hypo was the name the devs had for them but they changed it to hyper later.

[crude girder]

Same reason we got Spoon instead of Spino, Dibble instead of Diablo and Utha instead of Utah

[lilac swallow]

No

[vast wolf]

hypoendocrine vs hyperendocrine.

[tall oasis]

Hypos are in the lore, but i swear i saw the devs say hypos arn't coming

[swift dew]

so in a way, hypos are gone, but hypers, type-H what ever you want to call them are still here

[lilac swallow]

Because hypo literally means th opposite of hyper, they were never officialy called that

[sacred quest]

yeah i think they changed it to hyper because of the definition or something

[vast wolf]

utha is cursed.

[tall oasis]

one fan asked the devs and the response was probably not

[crude girder]

Nah it's always been Hyperendocrine, Hyper = more, endocrine is growth horomones and stuff, so Hyperendocrine means more growth

Hypoendocrine would be a weak and shriveled animal

[vast wolf]

hypoendocrine has a different meaning to hyperendocrine one is a slow metablosim the other is fast i belive.

[mild socket]

the strains are so not important rn they arent coming anytime soon

[crude girder]

It was likely a "not coming soon" rather than not coming at all

[mild socket]

but they are coming supposedluy

[vast wolf]

probably once the apexes that have the strains get put in.

playable apexes are probably 2+ years off.

[crude girder]

I mean strains require the rest of the game to already be in place

[tall oasis]

They might be added in a new mode. But progression is not coming back

[swift dew]

the endocrine system is the system of organs that produce hormones, those hormones regulate metabolism, size and other things, which is why hypers are so hungry and big

[crude girder]

Do you count Deinosuchus?

[crude girder]

ty, I couldn't remember exactly what it did

[sacred quest]

im hoping every creature gets a strain eventually but it will probably only be certain creatures that get them

[tall oasis]

deino is not an apex

[vast wolf]

deino is not getting a strain and cant take out massive prey so its not a true apex.

[languid cairn]

@swift dew I don't know how the convo started, but, how would you feel about Anky being able to tilt and lean its body in place?

[vast wolf]

deino is the size of an apex but does not have the kill power of an apex.

[crude girder]

Idk, in the water even a rex would get its shit rocked

[swift dew]

doubt it, hyper compy wouldn't be very intimidating to things like apexes while even a hyper utah is something to watch out for

[vast wolf]

its got kill power more similar to a upper end mid tier.

but the deino wont be able to drag the rex. its already confirmed that stego wont be moved by deino.

[crude girder]

I mean kill power is still tbd since the animal isn't out yet

[tall oasis]

only if the devs could clarify if hypos are coming back or not

[vast wolf]

maybe if they have no stamina.

[crude girder]

but yeah it won't be able to grab a rex cause if it could that would be pretty OP

[vast wolf]

they redid the hyper rex they are coming back

[crude girder]

"Heehoo I'll just delete your 7+ hour rex with one interaction"

[swift dew]

dude, there is a hyperendocrin rex concept that was released around update 2, they arent gone

[lilac swallow]

They are, there is no way they ditch away a concept so new like the new hyoer rex

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/719810078026366996/whyisthisthingsoaggroman.jpg

[crude girder]

Plus they are even referenced in the roadmap

[languid cairn]

Wasn't the deino said to have a constant growth mechanic after 48 hrs?

[tall oasis]

also is there a channel on the server for asking the devs questions?

[vast wolf]

that is true.

[swift dew]

they talked about this but i think this was scrapped

[sacred quest]

i feel deino grabbing a rex will be like a wrestle but the rex will 80% of the time break free

[vast wolf]

ask punch when they come online.

[crude girder]

if a dev didn't say it it probably isn't true, and I haven't seen a dev say that's a feature for the animal

Psure it was spitballed in a stream like 3 years ago tho

[tall oasis]

but which channel

[sacred quest]

but rexes probably wont mess with a deino and vise verser

[crude girder]

usually #401464048610312195

[vast wolf]

elder deino i believe will grow indefinitely but normal deino will stop growing at 1.0

[swift dew]

on land a deino is a free meal for rex

[tall oasis]

thank u

[sacred quest]

true but in water the tables turn

[crude girder]

👍

[swift dew]

also true

[vast wolf]

wouldent say free. but deino has a very low chance of killing rex on land for sure.

[sacred quest]

so purely based where they meet

[crude girder]

Stego can't swing its tail in the water atm, so unless that changes it's pretty helpless in water

[vast wolf]

stego is a joke in evrima rn.

[tall oasis]

Alright GTG

[swift dew]

to be fair, it is supposed to live in the plains, not the swamp

[sacred quest]

maybe stegos struggle could involve it using its tail

[crude girder]

If that applies to Rex, then it has to rely on its bite instead of any special ability, and in the water you are far less agile than a Deino, plus you can't attack directly below you

[vast wolf]

4.5 ton animal in game and it gets bodied by both playable carnivores. one of which is 1/9 its weight.

[ashen wasp]

yeah, a rex would get nipped a few times, but if Deino's gonna have a bad time against Stego on land, its prospects against rex aren't looking good

[languid cairn]

Also, who wanted to give Stego Tail more dmg?

Does this have something to do with the current hitboxes

[vast wolf]

when larger predators are in stego needs a damage increase and probably a health buff.

[swift dew]

stego and rex will eventually have similar strength as stego most likely wont be able to outrun rex

[vast wolf]

stego will have to stand and fight and will probably be able to kill a rex in a few hits and bleed it out very quickly if the rex dosent wallow.

[swift dew]

but if stego can outrun rex that is a different story

[vast wolf]

rn stego is running at 26-28 in evrima. rex is running at 36.

[languid cairn]

...Just let Stego out trot the Rex

[swift dew]

doubt it, they would have to make a new stego trot animation which is one of the only half decent stego animations atm

[vast wolf]

oh god that brings back memorys of killing packs and gigas trotting acros rexes and suchos down in legacy a few years back.

[sacred quest]

ok im off cause i have a college assignment to do

[vast wolf]

there was no escaping from the horde or the giga players.

if you had no legbreak you were dead.

[languid cairn]

These are revamped dinos with a wealth of new mechanics, I think there is more to be done

[vast wolf]

trotting things down is stupid

stego should not run from a rex when it could realistically impale one.

[languid cairn]

Only if you auto kill them

[vast wolf]

its pretty simple to put in the game. its just number tweaks mostly and a change to stegos tail attack possibly.

[languid cairn]

I'm fine with Stego having an impale mechanic against Rex, but it should be lack luster compared to a Trike's.

[vast wolf]

would you rather take down a stego that probably grew faster than you did as rex then bleed out or would you rather take a hit and nope out to survive and not waste your 7+ hours?

[languid cairn]

Depends, did the Stego get a critical?

[vast wolf]

attacking apex herbivores will probably require coordinated packs or ambushing. for some like stego and anky probably both.

[swift dew]

critical?

[vast wolf]

there are no crits in this game.

[languid cairn]

No no

[vast wolf]

your spweing nonsense atm. your point makes no sense.

[languid cairn]

I mean did the impale go to a major organ/location

[vast wolf]

stego does not need to outrun rex if it can just fend one off.

[swift dew]

i dont think they are doing organ locational damage

[vast wolf]

probably not for dinosaurs.

[languid cairn]

Of course not, the question is if Stego should be able to do that.

[vast wolf]

thats more for guns and bows.

[languid cairn]

That is a waste

[tawny juniper]

There is but ok'

[languid cairn]

I was looking forward to organ shots

[vast wolf]

if you get a thagomizer to the chest or head your probably dead realistically.

[languid cairn]

Gave animals like Stego and Trike buffs

[vast wolf]

whats a "crit" in your eyes then?

[swift dew]

there isnt crits, if your talking about headshots then that is a headshot

[languid cairn]

Head shot, critical, semantics

[tawny juniper]

I am but I would count that as a crit

[vast wolf]

its not a crit though. its a head shot.

[tawny juniper]

A headshot is a critical hit as when you hit they take more damage

[tawny juniper]

A headshot is a critical hit they take more damage

[vast wolf]

in that case trike cant be crit.

[languid cairn]

It is by definition critical because...well...it's critcal

[tawny juniper]

Or trike takes reduced headshot damage

[vast wolf]

wouldent a body shot also be a crit then compared to a tail shot.

[tawny juniper]

Or a body shot is a regular hi and a tail shot is just less damage?

[languid cairn]

Depends, where did the Trike get hit and by what

[swift dew]

what your talking about is a head shot, a critical hit is something you find in rng games that has a random chance to happen

[vast wolf]

crit is a bad word for it.

[languid cairn]

Crit is a great word

[tawny juniper]

True but headshots are also crits considering they are a critical hit where if you are in critical danger if you get headshot

[languid cairn]

It's a general term that means NOWTHATSALOTOFDAMAGE

[vast wolf]

piggy summed up the general term for crit well.

[languid cairn]

it's flexible

[tawny juniper]

There isnt a base definition for something like this

Very flexible definition

[languid cairn]

Example, is a headshot lethal to Trikes or any Ceratopsian?

No.

So it stops having the same meaning

[vast wolf]

i still dislike head shots being called crits in this game.

[tawny juniper]

what defines a critical hit

[swift dew]

ceratopsians dont have a location where they take more damage

[tawny juniper]

As do I but a headshot is a critical hit

[vast wolf]

a random increase in damage usually tied to random chance.

[languid cairn]

Just think of crits as a catch all for Lethal Damage

[tawny juniper]

^

[vast wolf]

or call them head shots like the rest of us.

[tawny juniper]

Sure

[vast wolf]

except head shots arent lethal entirerly right now.

[tawny juniper]

For the moment yes

[languid cairn]

That remains to be seen. If the devs allow Spine Breaking to be used against Trikes, than that could be considered Crit

[tawny juniper]

But when a rex bites a stego on the head they will be

[vast wolf]

only stego has a lethal head shot.

pretty sure if rex bites anything head thats not trike its death.

[tawny juniper]

Maybe trikes are more succeptable to bone break or something

[tawny juniper]

Thats true I just used stego as an example

[vast wolf]

that would require you to bite its leg and that makes no sense as trike is very bulky.

[tawny juniper]

or pachy ram, Or anky swimpe

[vast wolf]

if trike is more susceptiable to fractures so is rex by that logic.

[tawny juniper]

Or fall off cliff

[tawny juniper]

Sure,

[vast wolf]

if you literally fall off a cliff as trike your probably dead.

[languid cairn]

I think he's just using a balancing idea

[swift dew]

What??? why would they use spine breaking against only ceratopsians? so many animals have exposed backs, a trikes frill is supposed to be an advantage

[tawny juniper]

if you fall off a cliff as anything your dead

[swift dew]

depends on the cliff

[vast wolf]

trike cant defend its rump well if an attacker is behind it. i think a rex could grab a trike by its hip and overpower it that way.

but it would be a stamina battle.

[tawny juniper]

True but if I'm correct (Tell me if I'm not) Trike is a herd dinosaur

[vast wolf]

probably small groups.

[tawny juniper]

alright so it would have a small group to keep it off eachothers

[swift dew]

i hate when people say this, you cant balance any game in a group, this game is balanced 1v1

[languid cairn]

You misunderstand. This was a response to "You can't crit Trikes" that you said earlier. I'm perfectly fine with this being done to every animal in general. I'm justing pointing out that while you can't Crit a Trike with a head shot, you can probably have another option.

[vast wolf]

and having an animal balanced around packs/herds is something the devs want to avoid somewhat even though they cant.

[tawny juniper]

I'm aware but he is talking about how a rex would fight a trike

A rex would try and grab hip

ok

A trike would have a small group to help it

[swift dew]

it would try to bite its booty, why wouldn't it

[tawny juniper]

I just said that yes

[vast wolf]

two rexes could probably take out a trike if one stands infront and the other comes up behind and grabs it. trike could charge one of the rexes and deliver a ton of damage and bleed.

[swift dew]

but the point is you can try to balance a game based on the assumption that one side has friends

[tawny juniper]

Yeah thats true

[vast wolf]

herds and packs are safer and let you take out larger prey but you need more of that food.

[swift dew]

two apexes should spank any solo apexes, but again you cant balance assuming something has a group

[languid cairn]

I don't think we can ignore that some match ups require Friends

[tawny juniper]

not balancing the game we are talking about an actual scenario that would have happened between the two

[vast wolf]

i mean stego and anky exist to counter that argument. propper positioning and those two are near impossible to kill.

[swift dew]

proper postitioning from a trike too, just keeping looking at the damn thing

[vast wolf]

all apex herbivores shoudl require ambushing and some should be able to be taken down with proper coordination.

[languid cairn]

The same exist for Trike. But if we put these animals in a void where they can't use the environment, a lot of things change

[vast wolf]

cant if theres two. you will eventually have to charge or die for free.

[swift dew]

if there is two then it sucks to be you

[vast wolf]

if theres only herds of trikes sucks to be rex then.

[swift dew]

very true

[vast wolf]

thats not fun or balanced.

[swift dew]

Huh???

[languid cairn]

All the Rex has to do is sit in the Jungle

[swift dew]

explain please

[languid cairn]

There's other prey for it, and it can bide time for a favorable attack on the trike herd.

[vast wolf]

if you cant kill anything as a predator you starve. if you cant fight back or run as a herbivore you die.

is it fun to die to something you cant prevent?

[languid cairn]

What is unpreventable about trotting off in the jungle?

[vast wolf]

?????????????? where did that come up?

[languid cairn]

You're talking about how a herd of Trikes curbstomps a Rex.

Maybe you just, yk, not fight a herd of trikes

[vast wolf]

if you are skilled enough or your opponents are unskilled you should be able to fend off other animals around your size or escape.

[vast wolf]

if theres only trikes and they are all in a herd you will either die fighting them or starve.

[swift dew]

don't be hungry

[vast wolf]

that dosent work in this game.

or in real life

[languid cairn]

So introduce game mechanics that would encourage the player base to not only pick Trikes.

[vast wolf]

the chinese will do it regardless. if they can make mega packs they will.

[cyan flame]

Or hunt something else, I doubt there'll only be trikes, remember ai is a thing too.

[languid cairn]

The Chinese are the Chinese

[cyan flame]

Or just.. wait until they have to split for food

[languid cairn]

Just keep off their servers

[vast wolf]

and thats a way to deal with them. a trike should have a chance against a rex pair.

[languid cairn]

Sure

But...you do agree that an Apex Pair would have the advantage?

[swift dew]

if this is the case then a single rex has no chance against a trike, no questions asked, ambushes or not

[vast wolf]

except if a rex pair is smart they can kill the trike. the longer the rexes circle a trike the sooner it has to try to kill one or die.

how do you not see that there has to be a way fro every animal to survive every altercation no matter how unlikely the chances.

[swift dew]

so your saying a rex pair has to be smart to kill a trike, how tf is a solo rex supposed to even come close

[vast wolf]

i dont want click spam legacy 2.0

[languid cairn]

Guys I'm getting a little confused

Can we just say plainly what we're thinking?

What we're for and against

[swift dew]

mrgharial is saying trike needs to be able to survive 2 rexes, and i dont understand how that makes any sense

[languid cairn]

Ok

How bout this

[vast wolf]

ambush + spacing + coordination = kill for the rex. fast reaction + aggression toward one/defense vs both and avoiding getteing clamped = trike escapes or kills a rex.