Could give them a lower stam pool maybe? So faster overall but wear out in long chases
#general-feedback-discussion
fickle oar
paper oriole
he's a noodly ass bastard who will probably be oneshot or close to it by a good neck bite from things as small as utah so big speed is not too much to ask for
tawny juniper
Gallis are still players for the most part so they are going to be stupid and get killed
paper oriole
they wouldnt be invincible, just ambush
tawny juniper
And you can sneak up on a galli especially with the new map, If its in the plains just sit in the jungle and charge it at the right time
paper oriole
they dont need to be crippled by being slower or having shit stam, just ambush well and theyre dead
tawny juniper
Maybe utah could be slightly slower to result in chases between them that end with the utah pouncing on its back or missing the pounce and giving up
Similar to the cheetah and thompsons gazelle
paper oriole
well i mean if its the speed in the suggestion utah is a little bit more than slightly slower
fickle oar
Lol I've never seen ambush work well it doesn't really give a sprint burst like legacy did
tawny juniper
paper oriole
it was in comparison with carno, who would definitely oneshot it if it isnt a trash ambusher
fickle oar
Carnos aren't meant to be ambushers they're meant to run down their prey in fields lol. Utahs are the ambushers who love forests. Carnos get their fat turkey legs stuck on trees XD
paper oriole
still possible to catch somebody off guard with a carno tho
esp with a well placed charge
worn pumice
you can still use ur enviorment to help u as a carno
paper geyser
a utah should not be compared to a cheetah in any sense
fickle oar
XD
paper geyser
the only thing you should be comparing to a cheetah is a carno
paper geyser
nah they said utah
fickle oar
Nvm I reread it yeah
paper geyser
i agree with the idea for carno
it's a high speed low-ish stam hunter
if it misses or fucks up it should lose the meal
tawny juniper
true
fickle oar
I think the biggest argument was for the galli and just how fast it should be. I feel base run between utah/carno with a burst that's faster than carno charge would be good but shrugs
worn pumice
it being faster then utah and slower then carno seems reasonable
tawny juniper
Well yeah but then but then carno just bodies galli all the time
fickle oar
If a galli is paying attention and uses their sprint, how are they being bodied ? I'm confused.
paper oriole
because as you said unless the carno is bad at tracking the galli just uses all its stam and inevitably dies lol
since you want its speed boost to use a ton of stam
fickle oar
It's not that hard to use mud and disappear
paper oriole
so unless galli has a short growth timer it should be a fast ass bastard
fickle oar
I didn't say it had to use a ton of stam, more similarly to how a carnos charge uses more stam
paper oriole
but then its basically just noodle dryo
fickle oar
Lol im pretty sure as small as it is, it will have a short growth timer
So if not a sprint burst, what special would you want the galli to have ?
paper oriole
personally i would much rather have dryo's dodge give a speed boost to make its current stam drain worth it instead of a side juke that stops you in your tracks, and galli just be fast as hell to encourage ambushing. dryo could use the speed boost on its dodge more honestly
since dryo is already slow
fickle oar
Galli should still get an ability other than "it always goes fast". As far as I can tell, all creatures are getting some sort of ability
And I do feel the dryo dodge needs some tuning to be better used
paper oriole
i'd much rather see dryo with the juking and speed bursts together, his dodge is poopoo rn
like damn what wasted potential on that ability
fickle oar
Hmm I'd be fine even if it didn't get the sprint burst if the juke was better controlled. Doesn't stop the momentum and is easier for the player using it to control. Like if I'm leaning left I wanna jump left lol
paper oriole
would be passable, better than what we currently have, but i still kinda want that speed boost
like i had heard dryo was getting a dodge and i was like "oh cool" but then it came out and its like "oh... meh" how can they mess up a dodge that bad
fickle oar
Lol idk
Maybe it will get a patch fix in one of the upcoming updates
At minimum make it not lose the players momentum lol
paper oriole
And as for something for gallimimus, not really sure. maybe he can carry things with his arms, they look pretty useable, and the channeled cassowary kick could be special to him. But i just have a need for speed
fickle oar
Lol
worn pumice
well galli is going to be an omnivore so thats pretty cool
i think it will be the biggest omnivore coming to the game atm
yea i looked it up galli will be the biggest omnivore
unless they make ava an omnivore
hm there might be bigger omnivores actually now that im looking at the dinos coming
paper oriole
Has theri's faction been confirmed yet? He could be an omni
hybrid matrix
yeah i made a suggestion about that
paper oriole
Theri eating termites, leaves/fruit on trees, and any unfortunate juvie/smalltier it can vacuum down
worn pumice
omni theri
interesting
actually speaking of theri i wonder what kind of theri their going for
theres 2 ways they can go with theri gameplay
hybrid matrix
i hope we get a slow moving theri that does hella damage
paper oriole
Yeah i wonder what theyre gonna do with him. His tail gives me anteater vibes but idk
hybrid matrix
that way it can be realistic in terms of attacks, but balanced for gameplay
paper oriole
He doesnt look like any sort of tank so it'd have to be crazy damage if he's slow
worn pumice
theres two options here
A) we get class canon theri shows slower then apexes (except for spino) but can deal massive damage, but is in big trouble if it gets bit by an apex
B) Sort of the theri from legacy but more running as it cant face apexes head on
hybrid matrix
i want theri A
worn pumice
yea same i would like the glass canon build kind of like stego but much more glass canon then stego
paper oriole
Unless we're talking “slow” like legacy giga, who can still cover ground and make gaps with the few things its a bad match with if it spots them
Def dont need legacy theri again
hybrid matrix
i think theri should have to defend itself
it doesnt look like the kinda thing that would do very well running
worn pumice
its quite big with massive claws it should be able to defend itself
its just missing a lot of hp and weight
glad dirge
Tiny legs
hybrid matrix
yeah and it looks a lot like stego in terms of bulky body and tiny twig legs
it shouldnt run from things
worn pumice
i think it should be able to defend itself from apexes
apart from spino
spino is just too large for theri
hybrid matrix
yeah
glad dirge
Yeah,
hybrid matrix
but theri and spino shouldnt meet anyway
glad dirge
Unless at water points
hybrid matrix
theri should live in dense jungles
and spino should live in swamps
worn pumice
we could have a balance where theri can run from spino but is slower then giga and rex
hybrid matrix
yeah but then we gotta make spino fast enough so that it can catch other stuff
worn pumice
it doesnt need to cuz it can eat fish plus it can kill a deino and other semi aquatics
hybrid matrix
true
worn pumice
by the time spino is in a lot of semis would probably be added so
glad dirge
Maybe in short range? Like long distance theri wins but not if spino is too close
hybrid matrix
idky but i keep thinking of how this would be balanced in legacy
rlly i just think the two shouldnt meet in general
tawny juniper
I'm excited for omni
hybrid matrix
unless the theri goes to a swamp
tawny juniper
Especialy ovi
hybrid matrix
otherwise theri and spino just shouldnt meet
worn pumice
they probably wont meet in general unless the theri comes to the swamps
hybrid matrix
yeah ^
worn pumice
or the spino is walking around on the plains or jungle for sum reason
hybrid matrix
yeah
glad dirge
Which would be a big risk for the spoon
worn pumice
yea so i doubt thats gonna happen
anky technically isnt an apex but while its small it has a big bony club plus it has the best armor seen on a dinosaur so
so we can call it an apex
hybrid matrix
yeah
maiden anvil
@willow zealot it’s a neat idea but I don’t know how necessary it is. I don’t know what it would forfill
broken thorn
<@520365912012881921> it’s a neat idea but I don’t know how necessary it is. I d...
Not necessary at all, but very cool and doesn't stand in the way of anything really.
paper geyser
a slight few taps would be nice, but nothing excessive
willow zealot
Just a way for the player to get a lil tired out just like the hatchlings are when they use as much energy as they can to break out of the egg
maiden anvil
Not necessary at all, but very cool and doesn't stand in the way of anything rea...
True indeed
urban flax
Adding minigames for hatching is a big yikes. What happens if you fail ? You can hatch and you die ? Do we seriously need to play a minigame in order to be able to play the actual game ?
odd sedge
Good point
urban flax
As for the player tiring part... If you have to be as tired as the hatchling when you are born, why not have players spam buttons like in old sports games to run so they are as tired as their dino, and give them a kick in the butt when they take damage so they feel the pain ?
odd sedge
I would prefer just a little sequence that only plays for the hatchling and shows how the bebe dino hatches, maybe squeaks a bit and then it's just gameplay from that on
urban flax
Yeah a "cinematic" would be fine
odd sedge
Not necessary but I like cute stuff
urban flax
Even a "press X key to hatch" is ok
But not a button-spamming or some other "stamina tug-of-war against the egg" that some people suggested
worn pumice
a cool cinematic would be nice
better not be like BoB where u gotta wait in the egg for like 15 fucking minutes
dreamy wharf
"Below is my concept/ideas of Nocturnal quetz that I first created/started from my early ideas/drawings from a while back. The original goal was to let the community decide on which quetz design they liked the most and it went from there. Furthermore, I started the wave , popularity, and idea for this animal."
Not going to lie this kindof reads like a nightwave quote from Warframe. 
hybrid matrix
stego is a fucking tank
it should 1-shot a rex that is dumb enough to get hit in the head by a thagomizer
this is a survival game
survival games punish idiots
crystal sage
@swift dew so several spikes to the face at once wouldn’t deter you from going in to try and bite it again?
hybrid matrix
yeah
jovial sleet
lol damn the shut up reaction? @light carbon thanks for the helpful feedback, regardless of the fact nocturnal quetz is liked by majority of the community and have devs support. great possibility you may see it in your future anyways. 
#allopinionsmatter 💯
safe galleon
nah make quetz a fisher 
swift dew
yes, several spikes to the face isnt stoping carnos from going to bite again
jovial sleet
😌...I wont
hybrid matrix
yes, several spikes to the face isnt stoping carnos from going to bite again
i cant tell if this is serious or not
light carbon
so triggered over a reaction 
swift dew
it is serious, have to seen carnos in evrima? they go in and murder everything in sight
hybrid matrix
it is serious, have to seen carnos in evrima? they go in and murder everything i...
yes because our current stego is a WEAKLING!!
stego is weaker than it should be so that it fits in without being insanely powerful
crystal sage
it is serious, have to seen carnos in evrima? they go in and murder everything i...
I think you’re forgetting regional damage, once correctly in the game, will help deter carnos from attacking stegos
light carbon
yes because our current stego is a WEAKLING!!
nah i think its more of a carno-side issue
hybrid matrix
nah i think its more of a carno-side issue
i mean it is, bc of the hitbox thing, but in general our stego is weaker than it should be
a carno should not survive getting hit by a thagomizer period
swift dew
well yes, but several spikes to the face of a rex isnt going to make it run away if it doesnt to enough damage
light carbon
i mean it is, bc of the hitbox thing, but in general our stego is weaker than it...
i suppose its weaker just for now, it will get a buff once bigger dinos are added
hybrid matrix
well yes, but several spikes to the face of a rex isnt going to make it run away...
thats like saying a lion could survive getting hit in the face by a rhino horn
hybrid matrix
i suppose its weaker just for now, it will get a buff once bigger dinos are adde...
yeah thats wut im hoping for
crystal sage
Regardless Piggy, you’re saying that a Rex biting the head of a steep should a 1-hit KO, but a couple thagomizers into the face/head of a rex should not be because.......why?
swift dew
im so confused at what your arguing for?
hybrid matrix
im arguing for stego being considered an apex
swift dew
so your saying that stego should one shot rex to the face
paper geyser
Stego should two shot rex if those two hits are to the head
crystal sage
so your saying that stego should one shot rex to the face
Yeah, because it’s a two-three foot spike, two of them actually, and the same time, into the fucking face
hybrid matrix
Stego should two shot rex if those two hits are to the head
fitting that the dino in this emoji is a stego
dude
that rex is being hit in the head by two giant spikes with the force of a minivan
paper geyser
If stego is gonna get one shot by a rex then it needs to have an somewhat equal offense, that being a two shot
jovial sleet
so triggered over a reaction <:TI_LUL:461642094671429634>
triggered ? is that what you call it ? i was just saying thanks for the feedback lol.. nah not really. but regardless take it how you want, because im doubtful it change anything reallyanywho carry on continue with your 'busy' day
light carbon
dude
that rex is being hit in the head by two giant spikes with the force of a m...
if those beasts were real then yes, but we are arguing over a game, imagine getting one shot by a stego as a rex just because the game lagged and desynced for a second
swift dew
and a rex one shotting a stego is only to the head
light carbon
triggered ? is that what you call it ? i was just saying thanks for the feedback...
actually triggered
hybrid matrix
if those beasts were real then yes, but we are arguing over a game, imagine gett...
imagine getting killed by something that should fear u as much as u fear it, bc ur computer froze for 3 seconds
crystal sage
if those beasts were real then yes, but we are arguing over a game, imagine gett...
You could use that argument for the Stego though. Imagine getting one shot by a Rex just because the game lagged and desynced for a second
hybrid matrix
You could use that argument for the Stego though. Imagine getting one shot by a ...
exactly
swift dew
your arguement about a lion getting hit by a rhino in the head is ridiculous, a rhino is 10 times as heavy as a lion, where as a rex is nearly double the weight of that of a stego, there is no comparison here
light carbon
You could use that argument for the Stego though. Imagine getting one shot by a ...
ye but thats fine, rex is much stronger than a stego
hybrid matrix
your arguement about a lion getting hit by a rhino in the head is ridiculous, a ...
yeah i shoulda said polar bear :/
thats sarcasm
the principle is the same
a giant spike TO THE FACE
is gonna deal lethal damage
and also
swift dew
but its a game, a pseudo apex shouldnt be one shotting an actual apex, though i do think stego should be an apex
crystal sage
Both of you are missing the point that the stego is impaling the Rex, in the face, with multiple spikes that are several feet long, and are moving very fast into said face. Why WOULDNT that be a one shot? No predator would be able to survive that
light carbon
but its a game, a pseudo apex shouldnt be one shotting an actual apex, though i ...
true^
hybrid matrix
think of it this way
worn pumice
nothing should be one shot if ur all the same growth time
paper geyser
Both of you are missing the point that the stego is impaling the Rex, in the fac...
Because it’s a video game and for balancing reasons, but like I said I think stego should two shot a rex to the head
worn pumice
thats bad balance imo
swift dew
but then why isnt a rex one shotting allo? because that would op, but if an allo was bitten with 12000 pounds of force then it would surely die
hybrid matrix
but then why isnt a rex one shotting allo? because that would op, but if an allo...
exactly
except
crystal sage
Because it’s a video game and for balancing reasons, but like I said I think ste...
Than because it’s a video game and for balancing reasons, a Rex should two shot a stego to the head
hybrid matrix
an allo can outrun a rex
hybrid matrix
Than because it’s a video game and for balancing reasons, a Rex should two shot ...
ok this is dumb
i mean
generally u and i agree with each other but wut u just said is dumb
paper geyser
Except a rex is twice the size of a stego and an apex, therefore it has advantage
crystal sage
generally u and i agree with each other but wut u just said is dumb
That’s the whole point
hybrid matrix
Except a rex is twice the size of a stego and an apex, therefore it has advantag...
i agree it definitely should have an advantage, but not that much of an advantage
physics still apply
worn pumice
big spikey tail hurts i doubt a rex can tank stego hits
paper geyser
What are you even arguing towards
hybrid matrix
aight i do gtg eat my lunch tho
worn pumice
what is the argument about
hybrid matrix
What are you even arguing towards
common sense
stego should do lethal damage if it hits a rex in the head
it just makes sense
and its balanced
swift dew
but what you dont understand is that the rex shouldnt be one shotting you, because you arent giving it your head with the turning evrima has therefore, rex doesnt have an advantage as long as it doesnt catch you off guard
paper geyser
Just say what your point is, you’ve just been jumping around agreeing and disagreeing without actually saying anything
swift dew
well then if it is common sense then allo needs to be one shot by a rex
hybrid matrix
Just say what your point is, you’ve just been jumping around agreeing and disagr...
my point is that stego should be on par with rex
hybrid matrix
well then if it is common sense then allo needs to be one shot by a rex
yes
yes it should
exactly
swift dew
but that is over powered
hybrid matrix
piggy ur not making a good argument by saying that
its not tho
bc an allo can always outrun a rex if its paying attention
worn pumice
are we arguing whether rex will win against stego?
swift dew
have you seen evrimas foliage? all of the water is in a dense forest, a rex can sneak up on anything
hybrid matrix
punish the idiots
reward those who are smart
swift dew
as long as it isnt in an open field
worn pumice
because of fractures allo would basically be a one shot for a rex tbh
hybrid matrix
because of fractures allo would basically be a one shot for a rex tbh
yeah exactly
hybrid matrix
piggy ur point about allo getting oneshot by a rex is good for me, not for u
swift dew
no, because allo isnt a glass cannon like stego should be
hybrid matrix
no, because allo isnt a glass cannon like stego should be
tf do u think a glass cannon is
swift dew
obviously stego has more health than allo, but for its weight class allo has a considerable amount of health
swift dew
for its weight class, which is pseudo apex atm, so compared to an apex, it is a glass cannon
hybrid matrix
Dude, its a tank no matter what
That doesn't change
Also Im on my phone so srry if I type slow
swift dew
rex was op in legacy because it practically one shot all mid tiers with its bb, rex in evrima will not have op bb, so giving it one shots to all mid tiers just makes it even more op
hybrid matrix
No it just makes sense
swift dew
but its a game
dry osprey
“Its a game.” Yeah you sure are right about that, It’s a game where the balance is based on if a Creature can outrun its predators or not.
If they can’t outrun their predators they’re made to fight and actually stand a chance defending themselves
Allo can outrun a rex
swift dew
but if allo gets bit by rex, it should 90% of the time be a death sentence because of bb, but at least give it a chance to escape
dry osprey
Therefore, According to the game logic and how the game is being built, and how the game has decided balance, Allo should be a one shot for rex.
hybrid matrix
Aight i gtg eat lunch, cya
swift dew
rex should two shot allo like in legacy, but have a high chance to break its leg
dry osprey
No, absolutely no rex insta leg breaks. Everything about that sentence sucks
tawny juniper
"Its a game" Is not valid, It needs to be fun to play both sides of something and not just have the rex win, It makes sense that a rex would win but it makes sense that a stego can defend itself. A stego basically giant sabers on its tail getting hit in the head with that would decimate a rex, and vice versa for getting bit by rex.
dry osprey
Thats what the fracture system is for
tawny juniper
Maybe higher chance of leg break the smaller you are?
dry osprey
The Stego should one shot a rex if it hits in the head, but the Rex should one shot the Stego if it bite on the head. It should be a risky encounter that forced both players to play smart.
tawny juniper
Agreed
mortal dome
what if the rex gets hit in the nose 😉
mortal dome
heehee
dry osprey
And Allo should also be smart. If you’re letting something A lot slower than you Get bites in, you should be punished. Rex is an ambush predator
worn pumice
honestly just make it a two shot for both parties on the head
swift dew
The Stego should one shot a rex if it hits in the head, but the Rex should one s...
a stego uses its tail to attack, therefore it keeps its tail towards the rex, a rex uses its head to attack therefore it uses its head to attack, therfore its head is towards the stego
dry osprey
No shit, its an ambush predator. It shouldnt be running up on the Stegos tail in the first place
dry osprey
It should be waiting for the Stego to get in a opportune position to run in and bite it
swift dew
No shit, its an ambush predator. It shouldnt be running up on the Stegos tail in...
hold up
dry osprey
Thats loke saying Dieno can run up to a Stego and have a fair battle with it
swift dew
rex should one shot stego to the head
dry osprey
On land
swift dew
i never said it shouldnt
dry osprey
Yes, I’m saying that that’s a rehashing of what I just said
Allo is a lot slower than rex. Rex MUST rely on being an Ambush predator to get its kills
You shouldn’t be punishing a player for playing their chosen ‘class’ correctly
worn pumice
u mean rex is slower then allo right
swift dew
not when its prey is slower, trike, shant, stego, they are all slower
dry osprey
^What Happy said
No, thats like saying a Utah shouldnt be killed by a rex in one shot
worn pumice
rex should be relying on ambushes most apex carnis should tbh
swift dew
a utah should be one shot
dry osprey
Can it outrun a Rex and outstam it and choose to leave the encounter? Yes? There you go
jovial sleet
actually triggered <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>
Did u @ me again ? 💀And i left... that doc must have really triggered you from the jump. Anyways i just want u to look at this a liitle bit more 😂
dry osprey
Youre arguing to punish a player for playing how they should lmao
swift dew
i am not, i am arguing to give the allo a chance if it gets ambushed, a small chance
worn pumice
honestly i wouldnt change stego rn as more mechanics will be added like better bleed and also fractures
if stego is still weak tehn we change it
dry osprey
If it gets ambushed its chance is to run away, not tank a hit then run
worn pumice
^
dry osprey
The only thing that should be tanking hits from a rex is another Apex
Or body/tail hits on its prey
light carbon
Did u @ me again ? 💀And i left... that doc must have really triggered you from ...
look at what? that your work is useless and when the time for quetz will come devs will make everything on their own? stop being so triggered over a reaction
swift dew
nvm, im done, you guys are just those legacy rex players that want rex to be this op killing machine
dry osprey
How
Explain how I think its prey should safely outrun it makes it a Op killing machine
worn pumice
this is such a clusterfuck i dont even know what the original argument was
dry osprey
That Mid-tiers should tank hits from a rex despite being able to outrun them
hybrid matrix
this is such a clusterfuck i dont even know what the original argument was
Check #general-feedback
worn pumice
honestly for balance reasons 2-3 hits will not work as if the rex only needs one it will just tank 1-2 hits to get that one shot in
it has to be equal number
mid tiers should be one shot by rex depending on locational damage
dry osprey
Well Evirma balanced is based on if the creatures can outrun whats hunting them or not. If the answer is yes, they’re weaker. If the answer is no, they should be strong enough to fight back
swift dew
well yes, if you bring locational damage into the equation then yes, allo gets one shot ONLY to the head
jovial sleet
look at what? that your work is useless and when the time for quetz will come de...
the Same one triggered over the doc ?💀 I mean you could have just kept it moving...but u cared enough to respond to it? Correct💀obviously wasn't that useless. But I'll come back to this and gracefully @ u when it's time. 😌
dry osprey
And apparently thinking Rex should be one shot by most its prey is making Rex incredibly Op
Which I still don’t understand
worn pumice
think body shot base of the tail being two shots is fine and tip of the tail can be whatever like 15 or something
dry osprey
Tail hits shouldnt kill any dino period
dry osprey
They should hurt a lot if its something three times their size, but it def shouldnt kill them OR give them fracture
hybrid matrix
well yes, if you bring locational damage into the equation then yes, allo gets o...
Allo should only be able to survive a hit to the tail
worn pumice
even tho rex isnt a bleeder it still has teeth so the bleed should be enough to kill it
dw tip of the tail doesnt give CC
dry osprey
Oh I know, I’m just saying
A tail tip and the allo will be fine
Assuming he person hat got ambushed doesn’t stand there
worn pumice
last thing we need is a rex clipping an allos tail and it breaks its leg lol
dry osprey
Legacy problems be like
worn pumice
fr
jovial sleet
Incoming paragraph alert 💀
worn pumice
dry osprey
Pensive cowboy
light carbon
the Same one triggered over the doc ?💀 I mean you could have just kept it movin...
stop acting dumb, you won't get hired as a game-designer, you won't get any money even if the devs will use your concept, your just a dude that suggests things for a game in development just like all of us. Bring your self-esteem levels down
hybrid matrix
Ppl rlly be saying that allo can survive a body hit from a rex in #general-feedback
light carbon
Incoming paragraph alert 💀
says the dude who has been typing non-stop for the last like 20 min
worn pumice
i mean it should tbh
dry osprey
Ive still not seen a valid argument for why Allo should be buffed with high enough stats to tank it
No ones thinking about how Allos stats would look to other animals
worn pumice
i personally think it would be a 2 shot dmg wise but due to bleed and fractures it would basically be a one shot
hybrid matrix
Yeah it shouldn't tank a hit from a rex to anywhere but the tail
worn pumice
honestly hard to judge dmg rn as more mechanics need to come in
fractures and bleed will change things
better bleed i should say actually
dry osprey
With health like that, small tiers would barely stand a chance
jovial sleet
stop acting dumb, you won't get hired as a game-designer, you won't get any mone...
U mad bro ? 💀damn i struck a nerve. U really put a lot of anger into that didnt you ? U got more u want to get off your chest cause you're acting more mad than anyone 💀💀go ahead . type your ass off.
worn pumice
hybrid matrix
@swift dew again, REX CAN ONLY CATCH A MIDTIER IF IT SUCCESSFULLY AMBUSHES IT
dry osprey
I feel like both parties here are trying to pwn each other but the use of Emoji’s and outdated memes, as well as the aggression, makes this really cringy
light carbon
U mad bro ? 💀damn i struck a nerve. U really put a lot of anger into that didnt...
says the dude who got real angry over a reaction, lemme put it clear: 
worn pumice
urban flax
says the dude who got real angry over a reaction, lemme put it clear: <:TI_Shut:...
That's exactly what I was thinking
worn pumice
best to not urge the argument lol
jovial sleet
Angry ? Nah. I said thanks for the reaction. Carry on discord fingers. ? Your aggression is showing bro😂...but also you're right happy. I'll let them stay mad
light carbon
the self-esteem levels of this guy could not stand a "shut" reaction under his suggestion
worn pumice
just gonna put out that quetz isnt even on the roadmap lmao
hybrid matrix
When i get back to my computer ima clear up this rex argument
dry osprey
Quetz who?
worn pumice
hatz or quetz
jovial sleet
Whose quetz ?
worn pumice
either or will do
worn pumice
Whose quetz ?
my father
dry osprey
Sorry all I see is the cleary superior flier, [checks notes] Dimorphidon
jovial sleet
Pela best flyer. We need him
dry osprey
Which totally wouldn’t be Petra Lite
worn pumice
just to clear this rex allo thing dmg isnt the only thing influencing who dies
best to wait
rex ai coming soon actually
hybrid matrix
just to clear this rex allo thing dmg isnt the only thing influencing who dies
yeah
thats wut ima tell em
dry osprey
Can’t wait to kill a Rex with my Teno
urban flax
When i get back to my computer ima clear up this rex argument
btw I put an X on your suggestion not because I want rex to have an easy time against stego, but because I think oneshots should be quite rare, especially against apexes. imo practically nothing should oneshot an apex, even to the head.
hybrid matrix
i gotta clear this up for the misguided ppl in #general-feedback
worn pumice
i dont think any apex should one tap each other imo
their all the same growth time so balance wise its not too fun to be one tapped
hybrid matrix
rlly wut im tryina say is this
if a rex can oneshot a stego, a stego can oneshot a rex
dry osprey
I really should of said Hypsi but I forgot Hyspi was in the game
worn pumice
yea it has to be equal if a stego gets one shot then rex should too
hybrid matrix
stego cannot run away from rex
urban flax
But stego is not an apex, while rex is
urban flax
stego cannot run away from rex
Now that's a problem
worn pumice
doesnt matter if it cant run away it has to defend itself
worn pumice
not being able to run away and dying to rex is going to be set up for failure
hybrid matrix
yeah
urban flax
But there's something else to balance this out, rex will have to expose its head to stego, while stego only esposes its tail
swift dew
THANK YOU BUB
dry osprey
Again, how Balance in Evirma works:
Can it run away from whats hunting it? Yes? Then it’s weaker
Is the answer is no? Then it must be able to viably fight whatever is hunting it
urban flax
So landing a headshot on stego will be very tricky for rex, even if it can survive a tail hit to the head
hybrid matrix
But there's something else to balance this out, rex will have to expose its head...
yeah but i mean
rex doesnt have to fight stego
its not like the rex is getting held at gunpoint
and theres a lot of other dinos to hunt
swift dew
BUB ACTUALLY HAS BRAIN CELLS
worn pumice
one shot for stego on head isnt gonna end well unless the stego one shots the rex too
dry osprey
Rex again, is a ambush hunter and shouldnt be waltzing up to a Stego demanding to fight
worn pumice
^
hybrid matrix
yeah its gonna be like legacy where rex can just tank hits and kill stego
swift dew
bub, no point in arguing with these people
hybrid matrix
do we rlly want legacy balance in EVRIMA?
urban flax
Not if there's stagger
quartz lantern
worn pumice
if theres a stagger that changes everything
dry osprey
Stego isn’t getting Stagger? Anky was
worn pumice
i doubt stego will get a stagger tho
hybrid matrix
yeah
worn pumice
might be too op honestly
urban flax
bub, no point in arguing with these people
I decide when there's no longer a point in arguing. I just came here, lemme talk
dry osprey
Stego will be getting heavy bleed
dry osprey
Most should yes, but unless Devs plan on changing Stego to have stagger than we have to think without it
hybrid matrix
current stego isnt OP enough against apexes
rn im fine with it being so weak bc otherwise it would be un-huntable, but when apexes are added it should get buffed
but for now
lets just assume it isnt getting stagger
dry osprey
Absolutely, Stego should get a buff when other dinos come it
hybrid matrix
bc thats easier than assuming it will get stagger
worn pumice
its stats rn arent rly that bad its just that pounce is broken and carnos can abuse the tail
if those issues r fixed stat wise stego is good
swift dew
but ima use your logic against you dr. if a rex takes stego tail strikes to the face, wouldnt it would be staggered, that just makes sense doesnt it
hybrid matrix
its stats rn arent rly that bad its just that pounce is broken and carnos can ab...
actually its stats are bad
in wut world is a carno allowed to live after getting hit by a stego
dry osprey
If I got a knife to the face it would go through my face
hybrid matrix
but ima use your logic against you dr. if a rex takes stego tail strikes to the ...
honestly it does make sense, but we dont kno if stego is gonna get stagger
urban flax
Even if there's no stagger, let's say rex decides to facetank stego. Stego would need to die in 3 hits to the body, and kill rex in 2 hits to the head
worn pumice
but how much would rex need
hybrid matrix
its better to assume it wont get stagger than to assume that it will, bc if we assume it will then we're gonna balance it based on a mechanic it doesnt have
urban flax
And if rex gets to stegos head and oneshots it... well good job.
swift dew
but it has to manage to get to stegos head first
hybrid matrix
Even if there's no stagger, let's say rex decides to facetank stego. Stego would...
3 hits to the body sounds like its just below wut it should be
swift dew
with evrima turning then a rex should absolutely never get to your head, ever
dry osprey
Well thats the agreement Bub. The slower animal should be stronger
hybrid matrix
i feel like 4 hits to the body makes sense
hybrid matrix
with evrima turning then a rex should absolutely never get to your head, ever
thats the point!
dry osprey
If the rex gets to your head, you get punished
worn pumice
Say the stego takes 2 shots to kill the rex and the rex takes one right, this is unbalanced as the rex can tank one hit from the stego and one tap it
urban flax
3 hits to the body sounds like its just below wut it should be
Yeah, maybe. As long as stego kills rex faster than it dies it's okay I guess
swift dew
BUT TURNING
hybrid matrix
Say the stego takes 2 shots to kill the rex and the rex takes one right, this is...
to clarify, this is possible with turning
hybrid matrix
BUT TURNING
the rex can still tank the hit and then kill the stego
dry osprey
Yes, the Stego should kill rex before it kills them in a battle of tanking, we all agree on that
dry osprey
Stego has a 4 point turn
worn pumice
the rex can tank the stego hit and one tap the stego thats not exactly "fair"
urban flax
Well thats the agreement Bub. The slower animal should be stronger
Stego wouldn't actually be stronger than rex, because it has less health and does less damage. But it has the upper hands in terms of locational damage opportunities, which is enough.
hybrid matrix
yeah it takes a good 4ish seconds to do a 360
worn pumice
honestly big spikey tail should more damage then a bite
swift dew
if a rex has to walk around a stego, then yes, a rex should never ever get to your head before you kill it and if it does then your horrible and you deserved to die
hybrid matrix
Stego wouldn't actually be stronger than rex, because it has less health and doe...
well i think they should be on par
worn pumice
^
hybrid matrix
if a rex has to walk around a stego, then yes, a rex should never ever get to yo...
yeah exactly
dry osprey
Stego wouldn't actually be stronger than rex, because it has less health and doe...
Yes, to tank a Stego the Rex would be putting itself in a incredibly spicy position
urban flax
honestly big spikey tail should more damage then a bite
Depends if we wanna go for realism or gameplay actually
hybrid matrix
im starting to think that u understand piggy
dry osprey
Gameplay should be more important
swift dew
but you have to give rex a chance to get to your head, one shot doesnt give rex any chance
worn pumice
if we want realism utah would have feathers carno wouldnt charge buildings wouldnt exist etc
hybrid matrix
Depends if we wanna go for realism or gameplay actually
again, considering how powerful a rex bite is irl, they should be on par in game
dry osprey
I love realism but theres no point.
Thats the point Piggy, you have to make players fight smartly
hybrid matrix
but you have to give rex a chance to get to your head, one shot doesnt give rex ...
actually it does give the rex a chance
if the rex knows that it might get oneshot, it has the chance TO TURN AROUND
worn pumice
but rex doesnt need the chance because at any moment of the fight it can leave if it wants
swift dew
actually, i think it should be one shot to head + one body shot to kill a rex from as a stego
urban flax
Well if we wanted full-on realism on rex bite, I doubt anything could survive it
But that's probably a bad idea
worn pumice
no shit
dry osprey
You can’t just run up to the engagement and expect it to be a battle of the stats. Engagements need to be planned out before hand
swift dew
that makes it so you dont just drop dead as a rex and you dont have to be super skilled as a stego to actually hit two head shots
worn pumice
honestly no point in arguing as CC, bleed and fractures can change the game completely so
swift dew
and one bite to the head as a rex would encourage rexes to ambush the stego to reach the head efficiently
hybrid matrix
and one bite to the head as a rex would encourage rexes to ambush the stego to r...
or they just dont have to fight each other
dry osprey
High risk high reward, its up to the player to decide if its worth the attempt
hybrid matrix
i seriously doubt that rex's diet is gonna be a list that consists of the word "Stegosaurus" with a neat little bio of stego
worn pumice
guys just wait for mechanics to actually come out
dry osprey
Rex more likely to prey on Pera
swift dew
one last thing, stegos getting risked one shot from an ambush would encourage stegos to stay in open fields where they have less chance to get ambushed ( this is where they are supposed to be anyway)
worn pumice
rexes most liked prey would probably be hardosaurs
urban flax
If rex isn't supposed to be a predator to stego, then stego doesn't need to one-shot it ?
Wait this works in both directions
urban flax
rexes most liked prey would probably be hardosaurs
"hardosaurs" Like anky ? x)
hybrid matrix
aight listen up
swift dew
im stupid
worn pumice
pretty sure anky isnt a hadrosaur
hybrid matrix
said it once i'll say it again
jovial sleet
killer shant wen
hybrid matrix
if a rex wants to fight a stego then the stego has no choice
but otherwise
the rex doesnt have to engage the stego
urban flax
It's not a hadrosaur ^^
But you spelled HARDosaur
hybrid matrix
lmfao
jovial sleet
i love hardrosaurs
dry osprey
Hardosaurs: A family consisting only of the important Dinos, Anky and Mimi
jovial sleet
lol
dry osprey
Alright, ima peace out and heat up my lunch. TL;DR Rex should have to play smart to hunt prey slower than it, and risk being deleted from its plain of existence if its being dumb
urban flax
Probably like irl predators, they preyed on young, old or sick ankys
swift dew
anky probably didnt give much to rex, anky was actually quite small
worn pumice
yea anky is pretty small and its covered in bony plates with a bony tail rex probably didnt bother with it
swift dew
not enough to risk a shattered ankle
urban flax
Maybe if it likes chewing on bones ?
swift dew
if it liked chewing on bones, then kill a trike, you get its horn to chew on and food for days
that could actually be an interesting mechanic, chewing on bones
not sure what it would give you though
worn pumice
maybe
swift dew
maybe something like that could do with perks? stronger teeth because you chewed on bones.
worn pumice
maybe
swift dew
idk, the idea of rex one shotting to the body 70% of the entire playable roster just doesnt feel right. Not like my opinion matters though
hybrid matrix
well i mean
u dont think the game should punish idiots
when it should
doesnt matter wut u r, if ur dumb, and u make a mistake, thats on u if u lose ur dino
barren zephyr
Excuse me, but rexes are apexes not fuckin' hypers
dry osprey
Here we go again
barren zephyr
Also rex is gonna keep his speed from legacy so even if it's to reward mid-tiers, it's still really unfair
dry osprey
Ah yes, my favorite midtier reward, death
hybrid matrix
its to punish ppl who arent vigilant (aka idiots)
and to reward ppl who are vigilant (aka smart ppl)
if ur a midtier and u let a rex sneak up on u, thats ur own fault
barren zephyr
"Reward the smart, punish the dumb"
dry osprey
What about it
maiden anvil
This may be a bad idea but I have thought of Rex having a good stamina to keep up with several animals that are faster then it
paper geyser
i like to think of it as encouraging people to learn
hybrid matrix
"Reward the smart, punish the dumb"
yeah reward the smart midtiers who look around and pay attention, and punish the dumb midtiers who dont pay attention to their surroundings
hybrid matrix
i like to think of it as encouraging people to learn
exaclyt
dry osprey
Animals that are faster than it are weaker than Rex
Rex shouldnt keep up with faster animals because they won’t have a way to defend themselves
maiden anvil
But I’d they are faster, then they could loose Rex eventually
dry osprey
Not if they run out of stamina
hybrid matrix
"reward the smart, punish the dumb" means that if ur smart, ur reward is staying alive, and if ur dumb, ur punishment is death
barren zephyr
Rex also has bonebreak so if it does ambush somethimg it will be able to kill it's prey since it's been mortally wounded
dry osprey
A rex would have to have a lot of stamina to keep up with animals its chasing
maiden anvil
Well Rex shouldn’t have much better stamina then any creature
dry osprey
No, the Rex is an ambush predator
maiden anvil
Exactly what I’m saying
hybrid matrix
"reward the smart, punish the dumb" can apply to any survival situation
reward the rex that managed to sneak up on someone, and punish the allo that didnt pay attention
dry osprey
No, because running head first at prey isn’t ambushing
swift dew
idk if you guys have seen screen shots and videos of them streaming isla spero, but it is actually surprisingly easy to sneak up on someone
dry osprey
Especially with Evirma tracking system
light carbon
spero
hybrid matrix
But could Rex have as much stam as utha when running?
ew no
wait
im thinking of legacy raptor
nvm
idk how long evrima raptor stam lasts
swift dew
quite long
hybrid matrix
ok well then still
maiden anvil
And Rex would have awful stam regain
dry osprey
I still think that Rex shouldn’t be running after and catching prey that cant defend itself viably without ambushing
hybrid matrix
it shouldnt run as long as a raptor
dry osprey
Hey yeah lets not make another Pera
maiden anvil
Okey
hybrid matrix
rex should 100% be an ambush hunter
dry osprey
No one wants to sit 30+ minutes getting stam
maiden anvil
Agreed
dry osprey
Para-8
hybrid matrix
oh
dry osprey
icy lion
@scenic spindle were you banned from an official server?
hybrid matrix
i think so
swift dew
since it cant catch anything normally
well that isnt entirely true it can catch apex herbies, and spinosaurus out of water, and can out stam deino out of water
hybrid matrix
sephirath is an official server admin, no?
maiden anvil
Idk if Rex even needs a special ability. It probably would have fracture
dry osprey
Wouldnt that be its ability
icy lion
i cant search by roles so idk, i dont remember seeing a sephiroth around
dry osprey
High fracture damage
maiden anvil
Not too much tho
hybrid matrix
well that isnt entirely true it can catch apex herbies, and spinosaurus out of w...
except, it has to fight everything u just mentioned if it wants to eat it, with a midtier it can just bite it (if it manages to catch it)
dry osprey
Yeah, Avrid was saying Rex should have enough stam to possibly catch those tiers
Which is a hard no
maiden anvil
Rex would be faster then spino, just saying
dry osprey
And?
maiden anvil
Yea Undead is right. Was just a thought I had in mind that wasn’t suppose to be good
swift dew
personally, i think it should take two bites to kill mid tiers, one for a high chance to break its leg, (NOT COMPLETELY SHATTER IT) which would slow down stamina regen, and speed, and overall stamina, meaning rex now has to catch back up, which shouldnt be too hard and get the finishing blow
brave rampart
Rex should have enough stam to atleast catch up to creatures with decent stamina, other than that, no.
maiden anvil
Depends on how fracture will work
brave rampart
Or decent speed
hybrid matrix
Yea Undead is right. Was just a thought I had in mind that wasn’t suppose to be ...
why cant more ppl be like u
ur fine with accepting that ur opinion was wrong (if it was indeed wrong)
maiden anvil
Thank you!
dry osprey
Rex really shouldnt be playing catchip with prey, it should be ambushing with speed and running out of stam faster so it doesnt track/chase prey across the map
brave rampart
personally, i think it should take two bites to kill mid tiers, one for a high c...
Bone break isnt gonna be a thing now
hybrid matrix
Rex really shouldnt be playing catchip with prey, it should be ambushing with sp...
yeah
swift dew
yes it is
hybrid matrix
fractures are different from bonebreak
swift dew
Bone break isnt gonna be a thing now
fractures are a thing, look at the road map
dry osprey
Bone Break was replaced by fracture system
hybrid matrix
its not gonna work the same way
brave rampart
hybrid matrix
there are gonna be different fractures that affect u in different ways
brave rampart
Fractures are different from legitimate bone breaks.
maiden anvil
I bet fracture would most be a slow down thing
swift dew
that is literally what i am saying though "(NOT COMPLETELY SHATTER IT) which would slow down stamina regen, and speed, and overall stamina" is word for word what i said, that is nothing like bb in legacy
maiden anvil
Ooohh that’s true tho
dry osprey
Yo timeout
maiden anvil
Never thought of fracture that way like u @hybrid matrix
dry osprey
Tail fracture effecting mobility would be so fucking cool
brave rampart
Tail fracture effecting mobility would be so fucking cool
Imagine carnos tail fracturing
maiden anvil
Make a suggestion about fracture!
hybrid matrix
i cant
brave rampart
That carnos gonna be out of control
maiden anvil
Y not?
dry osprey
Imagine carnos tail fracturing
Carno tail fracture turns it into Legacy carno lmao
hybrid matrix
i gtg use the toilet and then get to work
brave rampart
Lmao
swift dew
leg fracture should also affect stam regen because you are running on your fractured legs is going to take alot more effort to run away
maiden anvil
^
brave rampart
Carnos tail fractures, causing it to lose mobility and can now trip on a rock
hybrid matrix
i think i made a fracture suggestion a while back
hybrid matrix
leg fracture should also affect stam regen because you are running on your fract...
wouldnt affect stam regen, it would affect stam drain
leg fracture lowers speed and raises stam drain
chest fracture lowers stam regen
etc
anyway i gtg
cya
and im looking forward to the fracture suggestion
maiden anvil
Tail fracture for stego
hybrid matrix
Tail fracture for stego
👀
dry osprey
maiden anvil
Cya!
dry osprey
Seeya!
I think if any mid tier should survive shots from an Apex, it should be from a Giga
Im undecided about Spino because the model we have is, pretty much spinosaurusRex
brave rampart
Stamina regen being affected should be left for bleed btw
Bleed affects stamina regen
Fractures affect stamina drain
maiden anvil
Alright fracture suggestion is out
maiden anvil
What do you think of my suggestion?
hybrid matrix
guys get rid of the checks and add them back after
odd sedge
Yeah true, Mount Buttplug and I have a love-hate relationship.
On the one hand, I dislike the design, on the other hand I have already accepted it
idle ibex
What do you mean buttplug rock doesn’t look good? The image you sent too is a really nice looking one too lol
hybrid matrix
yeah
pale bloom
Don't hate the buttplug, it gives you the North direction
odd sedge
Exactly
light carbon
Don't hate the buttplug, it gives you the North direction
doind said it will be replaced by smth else
pale bloom
I mean I don't care if it gets replaced but right now it's there doing something useful 🤣
light carbon
true
@fervent fable #general-feedback message
i think they want to keep the utah as close to original as possible, but im sure there will be plenty feathers on the austroraptor
imagine if they even had physics
fervent fable
True, but kinda hoping that utah would be like deinon with feathers
barren zephyr
uta is just like in the movie
jade schooner
<@!372301265612439552> https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371...
I’m pretty sure they mentioned, a long while ago at least, that Utah having feathers Is a possibility
Which, imo, looking at the way they showcased Theri, it could be a thing
light carbon
Which, imo, looking at the way they showcased Theri, it could be a thing
wait they did? when?
light carbon
well dont get me wrong it looks sick on theri but i dont know if it would as good as it does on utah
im pretty sure astro would be beautiful but dunno about utah 4real
and if those feathers would have physics and wont be just glued to the model i could be able to have fun just from walking around 
paper geyser
well that featherless theri looks bad because it's skinny and malformed
literally skin and bones
theri would've been quite bulky and had a very large stomach
because y'know, herbivores
jade schooner
They won’t use a featherless theri, if im not wrong.
But it showcased the ability to have a main body that you can add feathers to
Also a utah wouldn’t the same feathers. More in line with something like Ovi, if we’re looking modern
light carbon
They won’t use a featherless theri, if im not wrong.
But it showcased the abilit...
maybe it will lose feathers if having a bad diet? 👀
jade schooner
That sounds cool, ngl
But not really necessary.
It would be just cosmetic if it even happens
light carbon
yeah when we talk about a game that is in development its better to focus on other stuff
than theri loosing feathers bcs of a bad diet
to make that look sick it would take a lot of time
edgy harbor
glad fractal
@jade schooner the artist of the first feathered utahraptor piece you posted is @sourdraws on tumblr
light carbon
@barren zephyr wait but evrima does have loading screen tips?
barren zephyr
Wait it does?
light carbon
some boring ones but ye
barren zephyr
Must've forgotten about that, would still be sick to get the lore tips though
light carbon
true
barren zephyr
one is helpful. To know that there is always something bigger than you and more powerful
haughty cliff
i'd like to see beaches be livable, too. Pools of fresh water where higher land stands above it (rainwater trickles down and then puddles up in sand below as sand-filtered fresh water, this is a thing), fish in the sea for fisher dinos, bushes at the plant growth edges, etc
paper oriole
I think the reason for no sniffing in rain would be due to the natural distortion of airflow+the smell plants make when it rains making it harder. after a rainstorm smells could be enhanced for a bit though
haughty cliff
Yeah I'm not suggesting they actually get stronger in the rain, just that you can still sniff, b/c not being able to is the exact opposite of irl--just limiting scent range during rain would work, though
paper oriole
Diseases should be a punishment, not something you randomly get from mosquitos or whatever, imo
Disease from eating rotten corpses on dinos that aren't supposed to, drinking sea water on dinos that aren't supposed to, consistently going against dinos' diet requirements
urban flax
I don't really think mosquitoes, leeches and ticks could do any harm to a dino honestly... because you know, scales...
barren zephyr
They can still get inbetween the scales
I mean mosquites can such the blood of tortoises through their shells, because the blood vessels reach there
paper oriole
There are vulnerable spots that parasites can still get in yeah, but it would be annoying af to get a disease from a mosquito in a pvp survival game
Should just keep sicknesses as a punishment
haughty cliff
Fly clouds would be cool, though, but idk what drawback would be fair. Like, it's realistic, wallow in mud to get rid of them for awhile, but making them an annoyance would just be annoying and giving them legit drawbacks would be OP for what it is... can't think of a way to make that, like, fun
paper oriole
Yeah would just be a pointless obstacle to have to watch out for, no fun at all
maiden anvil
@kindred flare I’d rather like it as a bonus animation after killing something small enough to transfer to your mouth directly
kindred flare
Maybe
wanton hull
@haughty cliff herbis cant walk and sniff for balance reasons. You dont want herbis to track down predators effectively
haughty cliff
It's unrealistic and there's no reason they couldn't do that
paper oriole
Thats been discussed multiple times in this server. Herbi walksniff can just not detect tracks.
wanton hull
That would be stupid
paper oriole
Make herbis still have to stop to smell tracks but be able to smell everything else while walksniffing
Not sure how thats stupid to have a bit of quality-of-life in the lesser played and less adorned faction
haughty cliff
I'd just let them do exactly what they already do, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to with mud incoming
Like--what carnis do i mean
paper oriole
No real reason for herbis to walksniff footprints, just like theres no reason pterano should
Pterano, deino and herbis have no business walksniffing footprints, but there is 0 reason herbis should have to stop and cycle a 30sec animation full of huffing and moaning to locate everything else
haughty cliff
one of the things that strikes me is that herbivorous animals irl use scent as a major defense, in terms of, they smell things coming; until and unless dinos give off scent from individual bodies it'd be nice if they could spot at least, say, the prints in the trees from someone circling around (while moving even)
It's no longer really a balance issue (for herbis chasing carnis) when they can mud roll, and adds an element too of roll before you stalk if you're gonna cross their path, etc
barren zephyr
Ptera shouldn't have good scent when 'tracking someone' fullstop
it's a scavenger. Not a true predator, unless you're a fish
Other carnivores like Utahraptor can probably easily kill it, it weighs less than a man
While the concept does show it biting down on troodon, it still could probably struggle away and flee
cobalt compass
@oak tapir if thats a legacy suggestion/complaint, dont look any further as it is no more some time in the future👌
oak tapir
Gotcha
cobalt compass
just curious, where are you from? it seems your nametag is fixed to the right side and did confuse me at first
languid cairn
@maiden anvil no more ambush, but if you want, I knew a pretty cool guy who once shared an interesting idea that toyed Acceleration and Deceleration. The idea goes as follows:
Instead of having ambush need to be redone for carnivores and some herbivores just... have acceleration and deceleration to a top speed.
Base Run Speed
Over X time you reach Sprint Speed
You remain at Sprint Speed for Y time
You drop back down to Run Speed over Z time
During any state but normal base Run Speed stamina drain is increased & You can run w/o ramping up to top speed if you are trotting first before you start running (but you only move at normal Run)
+
Axed run times across the board so animals can't spend minutes on end running around in a circle jerk
+
Trot speeds globally buffed to be a convenient means of travel.
This is both easy to implement and yields astoundingly sound results, and applies to every possible animal.
Roughly speaking, you can view each variable as:
RS
SS
X
Y
Z
For an animal like a Ceratosaurus, more of a long term pursuit animal, you might have something like:
RS = 36.6
SS = 1.2x
X = 4
Y = 12
Z = 4
Where it's base Run is 36.6 kmh, its Sprint is 1.2x the Run, it takes 4 seconds to go from 36.6 to 43.92, it remains at 43.92 for 12 seconds and then gradually tapers back down to 36.6 over the next 4 seconds.
For an ambush hunter like Allosaurus, you might have something like (considering evrima speed values on Allo according to recent ♥♥♥♥)
RS = 42
SS = 1.3x
X = 2
Y = 6
Z = 2
Where it's base Run is 42 kmh, its Sprint is 1.3x the Run, it takes 2 seconds to go from 42 to 54.6, it remains at 54.6 for 6 seconds and then gradually tapers back down to 42 over the next 2 seconds.
ashen wasp
calling a cassowary a "close descendant of Velociraptor" is like calling a cat a close descendant of a cave bear
paper oriole
Galli be like
Hope its an actual ability and not just in the concept just cus like tenonto's spinning slam
maiden anvil
@languid cairn that is WAY better then my idea. I think I even had something like that in mind a while ago. And also, I agree with no more ambush!
light carbon
@maiden anvil "oh nyoo i just been kosd ADMIIIIIIIIIINS BAN HIM ADMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS"
hybrid matrix
tf?
light carbon
these nycta players man 🤦♂️
hybrid matrix
dude kosing is annoying
light carbon
then get gud
hybrid matrix
and it makes the game not fun
oh let me guess
you never lost 5 hours of your life because someone killed you for fun
light carbon
i did, but you know how many people i made lose several hrs just because i wanna have fun?
the game is all about fun and fighting with real people in the isle is fun
hybrid matrix
i did, but you know how many people i made lose several hrs just because i wanna...
damn
ur an asshole
hybrid matrix
ur not supposed to fight for fun except on a dm server
survival servers are about SURIVIVING
not FIGHTING
light carbon
im cutting off any rivarly i can so i have no problems surviving
hybrid matrix
thats not survival
thats tyranny
besides
if u do that in the finalized version of evrima, then ur gonna pay majorly
light carbon
how?
dry osprey
Why are we mad about realistic AI that fights back? I forgot how desperate people are to be fed lmao
hybrid matrix
for one, health locking will be a thing
light carbon
health locking?
hybrid matrix
yeah
light carbon
what is that even supposed to mean
hybrid matrix
i forgot exactly how it works but its a thing in the current game
dry osprey
Overeating*
hybrid matrix
oh and also
dry osprey
It locks your health and stam.
hybrid matrix
scars
hybrid matrix
no that is feedback
fickle jasper
?
fickle jasper
idk i wouldnt say thats feedbck
hybrid matrix
scars are a thing
hybrid matrix
and they take a while to heal
so
while ur healing said scars, if something came and attacked u, it would deal more damage than usual
dry osprey
It literally falls under the basic definition of feedback, he’s giving feedback on a kechanic and saying he likes it
hybrid matrix
It literally falls under the basic definition of feedback, he’s giving feedback ...
exactly
dry osprey
Hang on yall really out here making me get the dictionary
fickle jasper
I understand but I dont see the idea of this is good and this is bad as too much feedback
whatever
hybrid matrix
Hang on yall really out here making me get the dictionary
some people are just confidently incorrect
hybrid matrix
I understand but I dont see the idea of this is good and this is bad as too much...
feedback is sharing ur thoughts on something
fickle jasper
but your right it is feedback
hybrid matrix
thank u
light carbon
players that cry about kos are probably those who use the isle as vr chat, they just sit on a rock all day and chat chat chat. im sure they are the ones that are against removal of the global chat
hybrid matrix
im glad that we got to a point where u were fine with admitting that ur wrong
fickle jasper
global's getting removed?
hybrid matrix
players that cry about kos are probably those who use the isle as vr chat, they ...
well in the current game, wut else is there to do?
dry osprey
Alright, guess I’m going to hold peoples hand and explain why KoSing in a survival game kills survival games and playerbases
hybrid matrix
i love global chat bc when i have LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO i can chat with the community of the server that im on
dry osprey
Though I thought this to be common knowledge
fickle jasper
global is good when your just growing in abush
hybrid matrix
Alright, guess I’m going to hold peoples hand and explain why KoSing in a surviv...
yeah and while u do that i'll tell him why global chat is vitally important to the current game
light carbon
well in the current game, wut else is there to do?
just chat here then, no need to take a spot on the server
hybrid matrix
global is good when your just growing in abush
IM SORRY ARE U AN AFK GROWER??
fickle jasper
diets and perk system will help with that tho
hybrid matrix
diets and perk system will help with that tho
yeah
once those are added im gonna feel better about global being removed
fickle jasper
well when im full water and and food and im 2%growth theres not much to do unless you want to go to those screaming carnos
worn pumice
afk growth is fine rn becuz wtf else r u gonna do
fickle jasper
just chat here then, no need to take a spot on the server
true, but why go to discord when you have the games chat feature
fickle jasper
there should not be such a thing as chat in the final version of the game
I agree
light carbon
true, but why go to discord when you have the games chat feature
exactly, thats why it needs to be removed
fickle jasper
atm tho
hybrid matrix
just chat here then, no need to take a spot on the server
except, i dont log on and then just sit there to chat
i only chat if im already online with nothing to do
fickle jasper
ye
worn pumice
honestly make global chat toggable then everyones happy
hybrid matrix
i wonder how much progress deer has made on why kfs is the dumbest shit ever
hybrid matrix
honestly make global chat toggable then everyones happy
💯
worn pumice
no i mean global as an actual feature to be toggable by an admin or dev or etc
hybrid matrix
it is togglable i thought
not in the current game
and also its just gonna be flat out removed
not made toggleable
light carbon
wym toggable? so some people have it and some don't? nah no one should have a chat lol
dry osprey
KoSing in survival games is bad because it literally makes a game about balancing each characters ability impossible to play unless you’re a person who has a group to go into the game with to begin with. Not only does it cause players to not play if friends are not available, KoSing in Evirma causes server lag. Especially as more bodies uneaten add up- and no, you can’t eat all of them due to the over eating system. If other players come along to eat these bodies, and you’re using them to lure in more players to KoS, theyre more likely to rip meat chunks off which causes further server lag- especially if you catch them and kill them before they eat it.
worn pumice
no toggable as server option
dry osprey
So yes, lets make servers run at 10 FPS because we have the collective IQ of a brick
worn pumice
dont play on that server if u dont want the global chat
the officials will not have it anyways
dry osprey
The lag is bad enough on most servers where theres tons of bodies just laying around
hybrid matrix
yeah thats like the one good thing about legacy
toggle-able global chat
worn pumice
optimization in evirma in general is very meh
safe galleon
Alright if I see a juvie Rex I’m not gonna let that little shitbag grow, that’d just be stupid. However if I see a little dryo baby I’m not gonna kill that unless I need food
dry osprey
^
worn pumice
they should work on optimization soon
dry osprey
^ About the optimization
worn pumice
its not very good atm
light carbon
well if the lag is the only reason why you should not kos then you are just wrong
dry osprey
But until that shits optimized lets not make the game virtually unplayable
worn pumice
we defending kos'ing?
dry osprey
“Making a server unplayable isnt wrong”
hybrid matrix
Alright if I see a juvie Rex I’m not gonna let that little shitbag grow, that’d ...
i mean
every now and then i let a rex go, just so that they have a chance to experience glory for 5 minutes
hybrid matrix
we defending kos'ing?
spine is
light carbon
its devs problem not mine, i wanna play the game and i will play as i like it
worn pumice
ur defending kosing?
hybrid matrix
its devs problem not mine, i wanna play the game and i will play as i like it
aight then if u wanna kill for fun PLAY ON A DEATHMATCH SERVER DUMBASS
dry osprey
Then when you get banned for overloading the server on purppose dont cy about it
worn pumice
dry osprey
Done and done
light carbon
Then when you get banned for overloading the server on purppose dont cy about it
im not gonna get banned for killing dinos on a server
hybrid matrix
or learn how to fight
worn pumice
thats the whole point of deathmatch servers
^
light carbon
ur defending kosing?
nah im not defending them, im literally am a kos/kfs warlord
dry osprey
You’re going to get banned for Kosing with intent to overload and lag out the server, dumbass
I really think this is common sense
worn pumice
ok i hope u never touch this game again as ur the type of person i wish never bought this game
light carbon
You’re going to get banned for Kosing with intent to overload and lag out the se...
well thats never my intent so no problems
hybrid matrix
nah im not defending them, im literally am a kos/kfs warlord
which is exactly why u should get banned from the game entirely
ppl like u ruin the game
worn pumice
go to a dm if u wanna play cod 2.0
hybrid matrix
just play on a deathmatch server
dry osprey
So when an Admin tells you to stop and you dont, youre going to cry about how you had no idea? Lmao
hybrid matrix
theres a reason that survival mode is called SURVIVAL
light carbon
ye and you will just chit-chat on a rock all day, literally a dino vr chat stoner
hybrid matrix
its not called DEATHMATCH
dry osprey
Lemme guess, youre a pro fortnite player?
worn pumice
pls go back to cod lol
barren zephyr
If god wanted people to survive in a Survival server, he would not have created me
hybrid matrix
If god wanted people to survive in a Survival server, he would not have created ...
oh god not u too
barren zephyr
Yo whatup
hybrid matrix
zote dont tell me
hybrid matrix
ur a kfser too?
light carbon
So when an Admin tells you to stop and you dont, youre going to cry about how yo...
i only play on officials because servers like nycta have the worse gaming experience you can imagine, its LITERALLY a vr chat simulator
dry osprey
I just got flashbacks to when kids thought creepypastas made them super cool reading that
worn pumice
ew nycta sucks ass lol
hybrid matrix
i only play on officials because servers like nycta have the worse gaming experi...
alright u have a point about nycta
dry osprey
Also I dont even play nycta lmao
hybrid matrix
the ppl who play on nycta suck
worn pumice
we can all agree nycta is ass but apart from that
dry osprey
Literally no one here plays Nycta
barren zephyr
Well, I dont kos all the time but if I feel like killing people for fun Im not following no boring body down rule
worn pumice
i actively go out of my way to avoid it
dry osprey
Than dont play on servers with those rules
barren zephyr
I dont
worn pumice
this is why i want a dm mode or sandbox
barren zephyr
I play on officials
hybrid matrix
Well, I dont kos all the time but if I feel like killing people for fun Im not f...
if u feel like killing ppl for fun, just go on a deathmatch server! or a server with no rules!
fickle jasper
does a gore count as body btw?
hybrid matrix
does a gore count as body btw?
depends on the server
fickle jasper
k
barren zephyr
if u feel like killing ppl for fun, just go on a deathmatch server! or a server ...
I dont play on servers with rules lol, I thought the argument was kosing in a no ruels server
hybrid matrix
I dont play on servers with rules lol, I thought the argument was kosing in a no...
OHH
ok
yeah zote thats fine
light carbon
on officials i will never be banned for killing too much dinos.
barren zephyr
Of course Im not gonna kos in a rule server but I woulndt join a rule server anyway
hybrid matrix
kos on a no rules server is fine
u kno wut ur getting into and if u get killed for sport, thats nobody's problem
dry osprey
Then why is this an argument thats happening? Its simple and done. If yall like playing at 10 fps play at 10 fps
safe galleon
There’s no body down rule on officials
dry osprey
Body down is stupid
hybrid matrix
but rules about kfs are good
light carbon
its not kinda stupid its the most stupid thing you can imagine
dry osprey
But you know whats stupider? Evirmas optimization
hybrid matrix
But you know whats stupider? Evirmas optimization
light carbon
if 10 raptors hunt in a pack and one of them dies they shouldn't stop the hunt
hybrid matrix
kfs rules are good
body down rules are bad
light carbon
kfs rules are good
body down rules are bad
describe me a kfs rule, never seen one
dry osprey
The entirety of Hunting Grounds
hybrid matrix
describe me a kfs rule, never seen one
"if u kill more than one person without eating any of the food, u suck ass and should go play on a deathmatch server"
simple as that
dry osprey
Hunting grounds literally allows you to loose multiple packmates in a hunt and continue the hunt
light carbon
kill -> take 1 bite -> move on
dry osprey
I still cant fathom how people like playing at 10fps on Evirma servers
hybrid matrix
if ur so hungry that u arent full from just one person, then be my guest
but u better eat that whole herd of dinos u just slaughtered
worn pumice
ppl kfs and kos because theres nothing else to do but once stuff comes in and dm servers r a thing again it should make the game better
light carbon
where is the fun doing kfs and kos on a server that is for it? its way better doing it on a survival server
hybrid matrix
where is the fun doing kfs and kos on a server that is for it? its way better do...
oh so ur literally a sadist
dry osprey
Then don’t cry about “Admin aboose” when you get banned
light carbon
if i wanted to train my skills i would choose a dm server, but not in any other case
dry osprey
Unless youre playing no rules or no KoS rules
light carbon
Unless youre playing no rules or no KoS rules
im playing only on officials and i will never be banned for killing too much dinos on there
hybrid matrix
the only survival server where it is morally ok to kfs, is a no-rules server
dry osprey
Hang on let me use the search feature to find where I told you not to play on officials
Damn bro cant find it
light carbon
the only survival server where it is morally ok to kfs, is a no-rules server
morality is subjective tho
dry osprey
All Im saying is that this is a non-problem
worn pumice
is it tho?
dry osprey
It sure is
Dont want to be KoSed? Dont play on a Kos server
Want to KoS? Play on a KoSing server
light carbon
Want to KoS? Play on a KoSing server
so on officials
dry osprey
Theres different server types for this reason, stop whining and play on whatever suites your play style best
hybrid matrix
morality is subjective tho
except it rlly isnt
bc no matter wut u say, its morally incorrect to kill someone for the fun of it
and im talking about real life
if ur a good person, ur not gonna take a knife and stab ur whole family
morality isnt subjective
light carbon
except it rlly isnt
bc no matter wut u say, its morally incorrect to kill someon...
it is
dry osprey
Damn bro Still cant find where I said officials are off limits
This is such a non issue
worn pumice
morality is subjective but thats why we have law enforement lol
light carbon
example of when one thing can be good for some people and not good for others? there are literally millions just think
hybrid matrix
morality is subjective but thats why we have law enforement lol
irl, morality is not subjective
no matter wut, killing somebody is bad
dry osprey
So then why did you come into this chat crying about someone not liking KoSing
Why was this a problem in the first place
worn pumice
what even was the original argument tho were getting way off topic
worn pumice
dry osprey
Can we get back to actual feedback now or does anyone else want to come in with the full intent of attacking someone over a non-issue?
ashen wasp
im not exactly sure how, or if, Evrima's AI will reach a point where it's indistinguishable from players. I can see it having player-like quirks, like crouch-dancing, random jumps, 2-calling carnivores, or victory-roaring, but at the end of the day, don't players have so much variation and nuance in how they react to stimuli?? won't they always react more naturally to different situations??
languid cairn
What happened to the discussion, there's alot of KOS and KFS
swift dew
@brave rampart Cerato is a 50/50 fight for carno, we need something that will make a carno run away every time, by sooner i meant around update 10-12
brave rampart
Ah
Then that's fine
I thought you were referring to post-update 9
I'll delete my reply then
swift dew
yeah, these first 9 updates are getting the core mechanics and dinos that go with those mechanics, allo doesn't really go with any of those mechanics besides bleed but that is way too early for a high mid tier dino to come in
dry osprey
Cerato shouldn't be a 50/50 for Carno