general-feedback-discussion

[glad dirge]

Ohh gotcha

[worn pumice]

if u see the tail

its blurry

meaning it was either still was being worked on

or wasnt rendered

[glad dirge]

Yeah

[worn pumice]

compaing it to our stego u can see this

[glad dirge]

Ohhhhh

I like the big plates

[worn pumice]

yea elder stego has massive plates ngl

[glad dirge]

They are huge

[worn pumice]

they r

[glad dirge]

I really want a different call for elders

More rumbles

Deeper, because bigger dino

[worn pumice]

same

When a dev comes in the chat ima ask this question

[last widget]

well before they add elders aren't they gonna add the point tree or whatever to go hypo or the reaper?

[worn pumice]

it might come with the perk system

since elders is like the base for getting perks

[last widget]

yeah cuz thats when hypos should come or the strain, the fact you gotta be forced to die from old age sucks arse lol

[worn pumice]

i mean

its not that bad

think its cool tbh

then u dont have a rex for example living for like a whole week on a server lol

[hybrid matrix]

are locational scars planned?

[urban flax]

Actually if they keep with their idea of having elders being tied to perks, you won't be forced to die of old age

[urban flax]

No, too much server lag

[hybrid matrix]

because that would fix the problem of "where did my bite land"

ah

i mean just a texture change
like if u bite the tail the tail gets some blood on it
torso shot the torso is bloody

still laggy?

[urban flax]

Yep

Well not in all cases but let me explain

Etiehr you create an additional texture for every scar combination for every dino, which wouldn't stress servers bug would represent a huge amount of work for the devs, and scars locations wouldn't be 100% accurate. Plus, the game would also weigh much more because of thousands of additional textures.

Either you do like every other game and add decals. Meaning you get an additional texture (the scar) pasted onto your skin. This one would only need to create one decal for every type of scar and can be pinpointed, but as dinos accumulate decals, this would cause a lot of server lag because it'd have to remember where every dino is scarred.

[hybrid matrix]

i was thinking that the body part gets bloody

[urban flax]

This could work if these only appear in the short-term, but would still pose a problem if there's a lot of dinos hurt at the same place.

[hybrid matrix]

sorta like the way it is now, but instead of blood all over the body, its just on the part that got hit

[urban flax]

hmmm

Well I'm not a professionnal programmer, but from what I've understood, the main problem comes from keeping the locations.

[worn pumice]

Maybe in skin customization they can add scar textures to dinos

For cosmetic purposes

[urban flax]

Servers already have a tough time keeping up where dinos are, can you imagine them keeping up where dinos ae AND where their wounds are ?

[hybrid matrix]

not a whole lotta work, whether it would look weirder than it does rn is debatable

anyway wut im thinking is this

[urban flax]

You could end up with blood decals floating behind your dino

Yeah scar textures as a skin customization could work, but you cannot be born with scars

[hybrid matrix]

split up the current scar textures so that, for example teno has scars on its face, those would appear if it gets hit in the head

[worn pumice]

I rly hope they work on optimization

[hybrid matrix]

so like you know how the current textures have scars all over the body?

[urban flax]

Usually optimization comes at the end of a game's development, or throughout it

I guess it's decals, but since they're not localized, it's easier to keep track on them

[hybrid matrix]

well just make the scars into a different texture
like the tail scars are a different texture than the torso scars

u seee wut im saying?
keep the current textures but split them up

[worn pumice]

Well some optimization would be great

[urban flax]

Ah yes

[worn pumice]

Especially near the swamps

[urban flax]

Hmm let me think about it

I think it could work actually, but it can still be a little heay performance-wise

[hybrid matrix]

wait are u talking to me or happylion

[worn pumice]

He’s talking to u

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[worn pumice]

And I agree as well that seems like a good idea

[urban flax]

Instead of having 0 to 1 scar decal, dinos could have up to 5 (head, body, tail, front legs, back legs)

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats wut im saying

[worn pumice]

That works

[hybrid matrix]

and (this probably wouldnt work as well) the more damage u deal to a certain body part, the worse those scars get

[urban flax]

Now that represents a lot more work

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

thats more of a thought

[urban flax]

Because for now, you just have copy-pasted scars sepaated in different stages of health. Once you lose health over a certain threshold, your scar pattern changes to include more scars

But if they apply your idea, you'd have to make a few scars for every dino, and add additional versions for each one of them

Anyway I think devs can think of a better idea than us, since it's their game they know better than anyone else what could work and what couldn't
But I do hope we get a scars rework in the gore update, you hyped me

[hybrid matrix]

i think instead of adding more scars as the dinos health lowers, the current scars should just get worse
that way u wouldnt need to add extra scars

[urban flax]

You'd have to create an additional texture for each stage of the scar

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno

[urban flax]

Adding more scars is much less work, that's why they did it for now

[hybrid matrix]

but u wouldnt have to add scars

[urban flax]

Since they're copypasted

[hybrid matrix]

oh its less work

ok

i thought just making the same scars worse was less

[urban flax]

Well, making the scar worse requires you to edit and manually redo the texture for every stage, while adding more is just copypasting
unless you're doing every scar different, in that case it's pretty much the same amount of work

[hybrid matrix]

oh

that doesnt clear it up

especially this part
"unless you're doing every scar different"

u mean like if ur making every scar worse, differently?

bc thats wut it sounds like

[urban flax]

Arh I don't really know how to explain it

[hybrid matrix]

OH

[urban flax]

Stage 1, you draw a scar. If you want to make it worse for stage 2, you erase it and redraw a worse one. Stage 3, again.

[hybrid matrix]

do u mean like different scars for each health stage??

ahh

ok

[urban flax]

If you make additional scars, stage 1, you draw one. Stage 2, either you copy-paste it (current system) either you keep the one you have and draw another one.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah now i get wut u mean

[urban flax]

good ^^

[hybrid matrix]

ok so its easier to just copy paste more scars on each part as more damage is dealt?

he-hello?

[urban flax]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

ok

ima go ask if ppl r interested about this in #401464048610312195

[urban flax]

okay

[barren zephyr]

@hybrid matrix i have to disagree because as good as an idea it is, i love the idea of tracking damage progress from a healthy creature with the cuts and scars, thats just me

[marsh forge]

i think the scars would still get worse if you attacked the same spot

[hybrid matrix]

^

thats wut im trying to say

also

[barren zephyr]

of course, but much harder to understand general damage unless you know the numbers

[marsh forge]

same with scars

no?

[barren zephyr]

no

[hybrid matrix]

it would be cool if eventually different body parts made up different portions of a dinos health

[marsh forge]

how do you get numbers from currrent scars?

[barren zephyr]

you know generally how much damage you've done from the dinosaur due to the heaviness and number of the scars that layer its body

[hybrid matrix]

but

[marsh forge]

I think it'd be the same but only visable on a slightly smaller part of the dino

[barren zephyr]

having locational scars make that a lot more confusing

[urban flax]

Actually now that I'm thniking about it
What you suggested really sounds like Monster Hunter's part breaking system
And I must agree with Shifty that it totally doesn't help in seeing how much health your opponent has

[hybrid matrix]

damage could spread to other body parts depending on how much damage u do with an attack bc we dont want rexes biting raptors and not killing them instantly

[marsh forge]

I see now, yeah if you had attacked the tail heavily and got a hit on the legs it may be pretty confusing

[barren zephyr]

precisely yes

[hybrid matrix]

i like how someone added all 3 reactions

[hybrid matrix]

its not where u bite

its all over the body part u bite

@barren zephyr not wut i meant

if it were right where u bit then it would cause too much lag

if its just generally on that body part, not as much lag

as much as i'd love to have it so that scars showed up right where u get bitten, it would cause way too much lag

unless im misunderstanding wut u said

[noble pine]

A Komodo is a far better reference for mega since it was essentially a giant Komodo, also, lace monitors aren’t the only monitors who can dig and whip, niles, Asian waters, crocs, and well, any moderately sized monitor whips their tails, uses their claws for digging and the majority of them have venom.

[barren zephyr]

yes

Except komodo dragons do not have predators and lace monitors do @noble pine

in the isle megalania also has predators

more than a lace monitor

[noble pine]

what does having predators have to do with basing your animal off of an exiting ones life style?

Allos are based on lions, lions don’t have predators, allos do

[barren zephyr]

fair enough.

[noble pine]

I’m not saying it should be word for word copy paste life style but

The way komodos hunt and behave is pretty unique compared to other monitors so

[barren zephyr]

I'm still not really hoping for a hunchback megalania and instead for one that is active (as to be able to stand a chance against it's dinosaur competitors)

[noble pine]

Why does it having a hunchback cause an issue

[barren zephyr]

it looks like it has no neck to look around with

[noble pine]

Mega really didn’t have a neck though

[barren zephyr]

Most monitors have decent necks

[noble pine]

Well yeah, I assume ours is based on this

[barren zephyr]

Basing off the relation to lace monitors and komodo dragons it probably had a neck similar in length to theirs

and a neck looks more appealing overall than no neck

[noble pine]

True

[barren zephyr]

the dented back and heavily splayed back legs make it look unable to actually move fast either

[steady lintel]

@maiden anvil the iguanodons slow z walk should be on it’s all fours

[maiden anvil]

Agreed

[hybrid matrix]

actually

i think iggy should have a slow walk for bipedal and quadropedal
since its whole thing is switching from quad to bi

also for running, i think it should run bi

basically it can trot and slow walk quad and bi, but it can only run bi and not quad

[urban flax]

Wouldn't it make more sense if it ran on quad ? It's faster

[hybrid matrix]

eh

idk i just cant picture an iggy galloping like that

[urban flax]

We already have a stego galloping
Iggy would look less weird doing so

[brave rampart]

I mean
It looks like it would be front heavy when running Quad

[urban flax]

Now that's shrinkwrapped

[hybrid matrix]

yeah holy shit

that tail is FUCKED

wtf is that

[brave rampart]

Lmao

I just pulled out an image

WTF WAIT

IT LOOKS LIKE A SPEAR

[urban flax]

Yeah it does

[brave rampart]

Iguanadon jab 🤯

[urban flax]

I'd gladly trade a jab for a tail that can balance its weight

With some... muscle mass, you see

[hybrid matrix]

This is a better iggy

[brave rampart]

Even better

[hybrid matrix]

i think we have the same iggy image but-wait yeah its the same thing

mine is a silhouette of urs

[brave rampart]

Yeah looking at the anatomy, it probably couldn't run quad

If it did

It would probably just be a fast walk

It probably ran bi cause it would stand tall and force its weight unto the legs and distributed it

If it ran quad, it would seem front heavy

[hybrid matrix]

i wonder if tree grazing will every be a thing

since some things cant graze grass

like theri

[brave rampart]

I mean Magy will eat leaves off trees and so will kentro

[hybrid matrix]

kentro is gonna eat from trees??

but its so short and stubby

[brave rampart]

It can stand up

Or well

Rear up

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i know

even if it rears up its short and stubby

[vale pawn]

prob just low trees

not the tall ones

[hybrid matrix]

maybe

[brave rampart]

Top eight

[vale pawn]

yea those trees

[brave rampart]

Right

[hybrid matrix]

although i was thinking of something along the lines of tall tree feeders that can naturally reach branches without rearing up or anything could graze in jungles and eat leaves

like theri for example

it could graze on tree branches

[vale pawn]

kentro will prob only go for low trees if nothing else is around

[haughty cliff]

I'm all for the scars looking like actual scars, purely for aesthetics... red for scars is silly

[fickle root]

@pastel dawn your dino progress will be saved

[tepid gate]

@pine cape This is, surprisingly enough, already in the game, just extremely easy to miss.

The Carno does have a stagger animation when hit by the tailslam. It sort of bends its legs and throws its head to the side.

[hybrid matrix]

HOOVES ON PARA?!

HOOVES?!

[icy lion]

its a hadrosaurid

[hybrid matrix]

making it chunkier, yeah thats awesome

[icy lion]

it likely had hooves

like edmonto

[hybrid matrix]

but FUCKIN HOO-edmonto had hooves?

[icy lion]

yes

lemme grab a pic

[hybrid matrix]

when did it get hooves

[icy lion]

https://i.redd.it/1xvs9mf923t31.jpg

front right foot

of edmonto

[hybrid matrix]

but when

when did this happen

[icy lion]

lemme look

[hybrid matrix]

idr hearing about this

[icy lion]

the specimen is called "dakota" and the image was first shown in oct 2019 by the north dakota Paleontological Resource Protection Program

[barren zephyr]

Oh wow

[icy lion]

https://twitter.com/NDGSPaleo/status/1184830562768510976?s=20 heres the original tweet

NDGS Paleontology (@NDGSPaleo)

Many of you may have seen this image spread across social media last night. This is indeed a portion of "Dakota" the Dinomummy, which is part of the North Dakota State Fossil Collection. We are currently working on cleaning this specimen for a new exhibit to open Feb 2020. 1/x

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[hybrid matrix]

damn

aight ig para should get hooves

although i dont like the way they drew the hooves

it looks kinda funky

something about it is just

[icy lion]

its just a tad too pointed for my tastes but the artwork as a whole is just

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

those hooves look kinda like claws

they got sharp tips

[jade schooner]

@nova anchor or leave it for the elder. That would be my thought. I don’t hate it. But I don’t like it for regular Alberto

[nova anchor]

I’d like it gone completely. Doesn’t fit Albert, elder or not

[glad dirge]

Yeah Albert doesn't seem like it needs it

[barren zephyr]

Not a big fan of this model

[nova anchor]

Neck tumor is my only major issue with it

[barren zephyr]

It's legs look really weird, and the neck I can agree on too

it's... not very pleasant

[nova anchor]

oh yeah now that you point that out

Kinda yucky

[barren zephyr]

The way it pops out just.. mmm don't like it very much

[nova anchor]

I agree

[glad dirge]

I want side view

[jade schooner]

@potent sonnet leave the spikes out and it’s perfect

[slim wing]

I really love your rework @potent sonnet

[nova anchor]

it still has a neck tumor. Remove the tumor and it's perfect

[potent sonnet]

Appreciate it
I just wish they didn't change the model tbh

[slim wing]

I agree.

[barren zephyr]

I like the edit too, still not a fan of the upper thigh though

[opaque blaze]

That bump that its pelvis makes is unsettling

[brave rampart]

The head under the original is shitty

The neck tho is pretty good

The torso on the fanedit looks skinny af, while the one untop is beefier

Just combine the goods and boom

[nova anchor]

the top part

not the bottom

[paper geyser]

the hips are the issue, wayyy too high

[brave rampart]

The head and neck seems to have been downsized actually

It just has a throat pouch for some odd reason

Suchoberta

[blazing charm]

@barren zephyr Mind if I link your edit in a post?

[barren zephyr]

Go ahead

[blazing charm]

That edit is honestly really good

[glacial horizon]

I agree with the balance between speed and power

[barren zephyr]

I appreciate it King

[vestal rune]

yo you guys popping off with the edits they look so good

[valid elk]

I think I made myself as clear as possible, should I word it differently?

[jade schooner]

That’s what it’s supposed to be; in my honest opinion, and of many others I hope

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna tell me what they think? Tell me if they agree, disagree, etc etc?

[jade schooner]

I agree, I guess. For example austro has an exaggeration issue on features (like the mouth and shape, that hopefully are changed). The “weird” features can be tweaked to fit better (the “feather” wings on top of the eyes are weird and can be taken away for what I care. The feathers on top of the shoulder, not bad but same as the whole concept: exaggerated).

The issue with the Alberto basically comes down to the neck. Imo. And the legs

[valid elk]

Should I just talk about the designs?

[jade schooner]

Nah, it’s alright

Your feedback is good

[junior crow]

love that redesign @lethal silo!

also yeah I really hope we get a side profile soon

[valid elk]

Maybe I should. I feel like there's a disconnect between the designs.

[lethal silo]

thank you

i love alberto a lot but he looks so much like ben right now 😂

he will probably look better animated and ingame, sometimes these single perspectives can be wonky

[junior crow]

yeah I hope the side angle we get helps it out and maybe we can see its idle pose as well

[valid elk]

I did talk about that, Scar.

[jade schooner]

I think more than disconnection, they go too far with their liberties. Not in the sense as in “they shouldn’t put it”, but in a sense of “try to make it blend and fit the vision”. Like I said, the wing on top of the eyes of the Austro.
And the Alberto’s throat wobble. It’s exaggerated. Should it be completely taken out? Not necessarily. Shrink? Most definitely

[valid elk]

I was thinking more so that when you look at the new Austroraptor and Kentrosaurus, they look like they are from different games

[jade schooner]

Hmmm... I guess that comes in a more different way. We don’t have an Austro type of concept to what we have with Kentro.
For example Ovi has both

We’ll later see one like that for Austro

[valid elk]

Maybe just me, but I feel like I should talk about it, where Kentrosaurus and Austroraptor look so different. Kentro looks almost so accurate and as close to the animal as possible, and then you get to Austroraptor.

[lucid pond]

mhm. feels like a disconnect with more grounded and outlandish designs clashing, for what are both supposed to be base animals.

[valid elk]

There we are. You got what I was thinking

[steady lintel]

Yes it is lol pointing out it has a big head is by definition feedback but thanks for the input

[zenith onyx]

@strange wave I've noticed this is a trend. It feels like everytime i post an idea, you emediately downrate it. (that's just me though) But i'd like to understand why you didn't like my idea. again...

[steady lintel]

ig this game ice age 3

[zenith onyx]

lol

[lucid pond]

Baryonyx doesn't quite fit the thin, speed-based pursuit predator niche-- its proportions and intended diet as a fisher don't mesh too well with it, either. I'm all for long tails, but somehow I'm not sure it would help Bary's case much. Besides, the hit-and-run plains-dwelling speed demon-shaped hole in The Isle's ecosystem is already pretty snugly filled by Carnotaurus.

[zenith onyx]

Baryonx isn't planned on being aquatic

semi aquatic, which means it probably spends most of its time out of water

Carno as of now, is a run in face tank dino

[lucid pond]

as a semi-aquatic fisher, it would also be safe to assume Baryonyx won't want to stray far from the water all that often, either-- and as the roster expands with more of Carnotaurus's preferred prey items I'm sure the average player's behavior will begin to shift more towards a rushdown solo hunter of smaller animals and mob predator of larger ones out in the open.

right now, the playable herbivores skew heavily towards smaller, more fragile builds that Carnotaurus can afford to facetank, with the upper limit of that represented by Tenonto. bulkier herbivores will require Carnotaurus players to either alter their strategy or stick to those more manageable prey items

[valid elk]

Anyone else wanna tell me what they think of my first and second feedbacks?

[lucid pond]

I wholeheartedly agree that Austro's original model drastically needed an update, but the hyper-stylization of its Evrima concept art took the slender heron aesthetic too far. I'd prefer a more subdued reconstruction, with a shorter skull and less-streamlined, form-fitting feathers.

[zenith onyx]

carno is broken right now so of course its going to destroy the herbies

[lucid pond]

that said, while i prefer the proportions of Austro V1, i don't think i wouldve been able to take it if Austro V2 was also half-feathered

[zenith onyx]

carno is not supposed to face tank multiple hits from a stego, yet it can. And its carno has such a fast turn radius that it can just run in and get free damage before the stego can even swing its tail

[valid elk]

I do like the look of the first Austroraptor, I wouldn't mind the full feathered look, or maybe even the feathers of actual raptors on the wings

[violet magnet]

IDK I like the look of the redesigned austro...from a creature design standpoint. From a dino design standpoint its new design looks out of place alongside the rest of the roster (unless all the new remodels are getting the hyper stylization treatment like austro, alberto, and acro)

[zenith onyx]

They need to slow down carnos turn speed radius otherwise it will be 100% OP toward anything smaller then itself or slightly bigger for that matter

[north nimbus]

@sonic cloud christ almighty that isnt even feedback thats just blatantly bashing it. maybe come up with some constructive criticism next time instead of spouting pointless nonsense

and if you cant come up with any then maybe, say nothing?

just a tip

[paper oriole]

Is that suggestion asking that bary be a swimmer or…

Definitely wouldnt mind seeing him as a coastal/mangrove dwelling predator pair to plateosaurus but he aint a swimmer lol

[crimson phoenix]

@zenith onyx , in my opinion bary should be mostly terrestrial, but significantly better in the water than terrestrial dinos. It should eat dinos and fish at around a 50/50 ratio. Alone, a bary might kill young critters and eat mostly fish, but in a pack they should be seeking out tenos and utahs and anything else they can maul as a group. Because I want bary to eat dinos a decent bit, shouldering it to be coastal where very few dinos are would kinda exclude it from the rest of the roster.

[paper oriole]

Bary doesnt even look like he'd be any better in the water than an allo or something

He looks like a wading fisher and a terrestrial opportunist/small-med prey hunter

[urban flax]

I don't really see a problem with that alberto model

It sure looks to have a big head, but we know it's because of the 3/4 perspective. It may have a slightly oversized head, but that's really not a reason for all that wave of hate regarding it.

[barren zephyr]

Moreso criticism rather than hate imo

[urban flax]

Nah, most of the criticism I see just resumes to "it looks horrible and silly"

[junior crow]

Really? Because I've seen tons of redesigns and edits of the model along with critiques pointing at its anatomy issues. No one is asking for 100% accuracy we just want it to at least look like the animal.

[barren zephyr]

The upper thighs are what really bother me about it

I like the design they gave it, but the neck and the legs just make it look super weird to me

[junior crow]

idk if it is perspective but the head is way too big

[urban flax]

It's still a tyrannosaurid, they have big heads

And look at this

Isn't it disproportionate too ?

[barren zephyr]

no

[urban flax]

It's head is literally half the size of its entire body

[barren zephyr]

it is perspective, but the alberto model itself directly shows a disproportionately sized head

Yeah the head looks funky from that angle, but we can't tell for sure how big it's head is without a proper side angle

At least I can't

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811163849741828106/819466930918260766/speed.gif

[urban flax]

That's exactly my point, the perspective they use for their renders is super exaggeratd

[silent current]

becoming a discord mod

[barren zephyr]

God it's fucking neck tho

[urban flax]

And sorry but that comparison alberto is just ugly

[barren zephyr]

but this is obviously disproportionate

It's legs

Aaaaah that bothers me so much

[urban flax]

Yeah the legs do look a little weird

[barren zephyr]

well you need to give it a bigger torso in comparison to the head

and aso balance out the tail

[urban flax]

But remember this is also a t-posing model, they always look bad

[barren zephyr]

Here's a small edit I did earlier, i feel like that upper thigh needs to get toned down a bit

that looks better

there is also this

[urban flax]

But once you put it in profile view it's gonna have a tiny head

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that edit is pretty neat too

except the model appears to be shown in orthographic view, not perspective

Then again it's hard to judge how big it's head is with that angle

[urban flax]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

The dev post of Alberto looks almost Acro like

I like the last pic posted by @barren zephyr

Fatberto

And fatcro

[urban flax]

That alberto is not fat
It's just not shrinkwrapped

[barren zephyr]

Has a thicc neck like acro

[urban flax]

It needs a thick neck to bite effectively

[random imp]

can't defend a design this ugly tho

it's really fucked up

the head might seems a little bigger due to the angle, but even if you see the sideview i can assure you this thing will be hella front heavy

just like the giga model

and this is stupid

[junior crow]

@mellow maple Thank you again for saying what I've been thinking all this time

[wintry monolith]

Just rember only reason we wont have Long leged prusit predator Alberto is bc it cant out speed magy

[odd sedge]

It was said before, but I'll gladly remind again that Hypsi isn't a climber and shouldn't climb

[hybrid matrix]

dont forget the jump

[odd sedge]

The jump is fine by me and I like that Hypsi can vibe in the trees.
I'd have nothing against making it more accurate for the player to aim their jump.
But full on climbing is icky

[noble pine]

The game wasn’t remade just to gain new players, the game was remade because legacy’s code is shit and a pain in the ass to deal with. The devs are working hard (some work on the weekend’s when they’re not supposed to) to finish these updates and give us quality over quantity. The whole reason this update is taking so long is because of deino and pteras play styles and abilities, they’re completely new to the game and need consistent work, polishing and testing to work effectively and not be broken.

Once we get passed the phase of having to add new play styles and new systems every update, there’ll come out faster. That’s just how development works I’m afraid, it’s tedious and takes time if you want a good product, if you can’t be patient enough to wait for it, then that’s on you, try to occupy your time with the millions of other games or go out and do something else while the updates come together.

I’ve criticized this game to hell several times in this channel, but the devs are doing their best with what they’ve got to work with.

[odd sedge]

^ This

[mellow maple]

You're welcome.

It's funny how there's not been a rebuttal yet. Almost like, "it doesn't have to be realistic" is a shoddy excuse if anyone looks at it closely. 🤔

Still waiting on one though. I want a good one that'll change my fucking mind. The only times I've seen creative liberties been consistently good is in Prehistoric Kingdom. And it's foundation is using science and research. What a crazy concept. And this isn't just an isle problem, it's the creative liberty excuse in general.

[junior crow]

again, facts

if creative liberty means making things look bad then uhhhhh

[mellow maple]

Not always though

There are good ones

But a whole lot of bad ones

[junior crow]

yup

[mellow maple]

Look at every single othet dinosaur game that's trying to be horror. Goner is an exception. Second Extinction, Indoraptor clone. Deathground, unsure but that asset raptor was ass. That recent game who's name I can't even remember. Double tooth raptors, t.rex with such a familiar color scheme, and your dull colored Triceraops?

I wish there more good creative liberties these days, damn.

If anyone hits me with a good point about why my reasoning is shit, I'll give you gamer points.

[hexed plank]

I feel at this point the devs need something to give them a fresh perspective. They’re so focused on being unique and different that they’re butchering their creatures

[noble pine]

Some of them look good, and others look bad

[barren zephyr]

I love uniqueness in dinosaur models/concepts, but making them look obviously disproportionate and weird just won't flow. Yeah, have your naked Utah raptors with broken wrists for all I care, but please don't make them disproportionate to the point where they almost look like a different animal.

[noble pine]

@tired wagon did you really just write a whole paragraph just to say to get more devs when that’s literally what they’re doing right now?

Also

[tired wagon]

are they?

huh

didnt know

i guess i either didnt hear about it or it just wasnt communicated well

[noble pine]

New creatures have over 100 animations, and countless other development stages. It starts with ideas for niches and abilities, then concepts, models, rigging, animating, sounds, coding, polishing and testing.

That sounds simple

But that’s weeks of work for 1 animal

[tired wagon]

no it doesnt

doesnt sound simple at all

[noble pine]

That’s not including bug fixing, creating new mechanics from the group up, new systems, balancing, syncing them with other animals (especially if they have grapples, grabs or slashes)

This probably isn’t even the half of it

[tired wagon]

then they should have more people to work on that

[noble pine]

That costs money

[tired wagon]

im sure its not cheap

[noble pine]

There’s 15-16 odd devs, they’re looking for another animator, they’re looking for or have a new map designer, they’re also looking for another dev for something I don’t remember

[tired wagon]

and im sure its not easy to find those

[noble pine]

They’re also looking for quality, they don’t want to higher just some dude who knows basic coding

[tired wagon]

thats kinda obvious

[noble pine]

Then you understand that development takes time and especially in such a new state like this, updates are going to be slow because of how things are at this moment.

[tired wagon]

are you gonna keep explaining things that are obvious?

like

i get it

i didnt know they were looking for more people

you said they were

[noble pine]

You obviously don’t considering your feedback

[tired wagon]

thats that

[brave rampart]

Netcoder*

[noble pine]

^

Yes

Thank you

[brave rampart]

Np

[noble pine]

I get it, you want faster updates, we ALL want faster updates, but you have to consider what’s going on behind the scenes here.

[paper geyser]

i just find it funny that this guy was telling a dev team to hire more devs as if they hadn't thought of that lmao

[tired wagon]

i completely understand that finding people is hard and it costs money to pay them (who woulda guessed?), and i know that dev work takes a long time, and that they prefer quality over quantity. thats why i simply stated that they could open up their team to get content out quicker and not lose their playerbase to other similar games

[warm flame]

hire me dondi and I'll do nothing

[brave rampart]

It's a lot harder than opening up their team

You open it up, and have to cherry pick the best result

Find a dev that can FIT

[tired wagon]

wow, who knew?

[noble pine]

You can’t just open up the team, you have to pick people who are actually willing to put forth the effort dondi is looking for

[brave rampart]

^

[tired wagon]

my god youre a genius arent you

[brave rampart]

If you're being sarcastic, gg no re

[noble pine]

Not to toot my own horn but

[paper geyser]

it's almost as if you showed a lack of understanding in that big wall of text in the feedback channel

[warm flame]

[tired wagon]

so just because i was uninformed on a topic and left a suggestion based on said topic means that im a complete dumbass?

[noble pine]

If you’re gonna keep being sarcastic after suggesting something then going “who woulda thought?” After we correct you then why even suggest said thing?

[tired wagon]

sorry i dont live in the dev's frontal cortex

[hybrid matrix]

no
it just means u were misinformed

[tired wagon]

its kinda obvious that hiring people costs money

thats why i went who woulda thought

[paper geyser]

you addressed the team like they were idiots. You stated the obvious in every single sentence. Did you really think they didn't know having more devs would speed up development? That PoT and BoB were making more content? That spreading out devs in different departments would net more results?

[noble pine]

open up the team
you can’t just open up the team
wow who knew?

[paper geyser]

you might as well be telling a whale how to swim

[tired wagon]

never addressed them like idiots, and no one was saying anything, and i was clearly misinformed

[tired wagon]

youre conveniently forgetting the whole "they need specific people who fit in" thing

hence "wow who knew"

figure out your story before trying to look smart

[noble pine]

You never mentioned that

[tired wagon]

^

[noble pine]

And instead of replying like a normal human being to Rick, you instead sarcastically said “wow who knew” like an asshole.

[tired wagon]

once again

[noble pine]

Again, you only mentioned it costs money to hire people, you never mentioned people who can fit in.

[tired wagon]

obvious shit doesnt need to be restated multiple times

[noble pine]

I don’t think I’m the one with wrong story.

It was restated once?

[zinc anvil]

Lets not fight like we are children thank you.

[noble pine]

Well If we can stop being sarcastic about everything for a moment and actually talk about it

It would make things a lot easier

[tired wagon]

im cool with that, just lets not attack people who aren't kept up with the news?

replying to synergy

not you

[zinc anvil]

hiring people is not that simple finding the correct person to do the job with experience is the hard part. Have a job opening and no matter what people will apply for it no matter experience or quality of work.

[noble pine]

There are plenty of people in #401464048610312195 who are willing to share the news if you ask, it’s a lot easier that way

[tired wagon]

i dont spend my life on dsicord

[noble pine]

There are people some with whole files of screenshots from the discord, I use to be like that but I just can’t keep up since I’m busy

[noble pine]

That’s why you ask someone if there’s been any news in (insert amount of time) or (insert specific topic)

I’m not trying to be an asshole, I’m trying to help you save some time

[barren zephyr]

Don’t you think they would of hired more people if it was that simple, there are SO MANY factors that go into hiring someone.

Think of it like this, let’s say they hired like 4 new animators. Sure things could be done quicker but you have to remember these people have to be paid since it’s already thousands of dolors to make a single playable.

Not gonna dwell on this any further for reasons

[zinc anvil]

speed doesnt always mean quality also you might end up with loads of content but if its all shit then none of it matters

[paper geyser]

example: PoT and BoB

the difference is that TI has high quality stuff every time. Sure there might be bugs and issues, but the foundations are solid. If you try to push out content just to match competitors then you'll end up with a bland and broken addition (see: sarco)

[proud coral]

Yeah, plus I never got why people think The Isle needs to speed up "to match competitors."

So what if other games are doing stuff faster? Why does everything have to compete? Why can't The Isle just do it's own thing?

[idle ibex]

because thats how games die out, competition pushes out more content leaving the one not doing it quickly with less to offer

[proud coral]

But all of these games people compare The Isle to are completely different. Plus it's not worth pumping out updates faster if it means you get worse quality. That's how you die out. People will still play The Isle even if it takes a while because it'll be a good game.

[worn pumice]

more importantly is there rly isnt much competition

we have PoT but can it rly be competition for the isle

we have BoB but thats not rly competition either

[proud coral]

No, because it's completely different from what The Isle will be

[worn pumice]

thats what im saying

[paper geyser]

yeah it's not like any of these games are reaching out to the same people. They have different targets, it's pointless to assume TI will die out just because some RPG dinosaur game is making more content

[proud coral]

That's like when people compare ARK with The Isle. I'm 99% sure they do that just to hate on ARK. They're literally nothing alike.

[idle ibex]

more developers doesnt mean less quality :/ its not like having less devs = higher quality and more of them = less quality, really not how it works, if they get more people willing to put effort in, then thats something they should hire

[worn pumice]

their already looking for more ppl to add onto the dev team

[proud coral]

Well they are hiring more people actually. I don't remember them all, but I know they're looking for a mapper, network security person, human modeler, and animator

[idle ibex]

thats nice

[worn pumice]

actually i think punch said their very close to almost a new mapper

[proud coral]

Wait what O_O

[worn pumice]

yea

lemme pull it up rq

@proud coral

found it

[proud coral]

[proud coral]

[worn pumice]

hype

wait

emote fail

smh

there we go

[valid elk]

Question

Should I reword what I said yesterday?

I felt like I was being a bit aggressive, but I wanna make sure that I wasn't

[zenith onyx]

@thorny lynx I like your suggestion, but the language you used and how you represented the devs wasn't needed. The image they gave for alberto was simply turned slightly. the head and tail looked bigger and smaller then they actually are

[valid elk]

Yes? No?

[proud coral]

I think it's fine. Wasn't super aggressive with unnecessary complaining unlike other posts

[barren zephyr]

I made a similar suggestion like that K3

I think punch would be able to handle it pretty well

[zenith onyx]

who's punch? @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

Punchpacket

He's the community manager if I'm not wrong

Yeah he is

Works with Quality Assurance and collects feedback from the community.

Obviously other Devs do what they want, generally speaking.

[zenith onyx]

then why doesn't he share it with the dev team?

[barren zephyr]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zenith onyx]

or it that they just don't respond to the feedback lol

[barren zephyr]

Here's the suggestion I made:

This may be a bit of a stretch on the devs' end however, how about punch provides replies and feedback to community feed back every 1 of 2 weeks? I believe this would help the community a lot by directly telling us your opinions on community feedback. Because as of right now, it really seems like you guys don't even look or consider community feedback (cough alberto). I've seen this done in several communities alongside other game developers looking for active feedback in their game. Think of it as like a roadmap update but for community feedback.. Now, I completely understand if this is difficult to manage considering the workload you guys have. But I'm sure we would all GREATLY appreciate this.

If you'd like me to provide an example, ping me in feedback discussion.

I think it would clear up a lot if we got actual replies on feedback from devs

[zenith onyx]

yeah i did see that suggestion actually

i remember liking it too

[mental sleet]

There would be no use for any of the feedback channels if they didn't see any of it.

[barren zephyr]

But as we can see with the alberto they didn't really.. change anything despite all the feedback we gave on it

[zenith onyx]

yeah, but like i stated in my suggestion, they hardly are using the feedback

[barren zephyr]

^

[mental sleet]

Feedback is feedback, it's always up to the devs whether or not they wish to act on it.

[zenith onyx]

So then what wrong with having one person look constantly at the feedback channel and take notes on the ideas taht get lots of good ratings

[mental sleet]

The fact that the idea is based on an assumption that the devs don't look here.

[zenith onyx]

they do look here, but not on a daily bases

tons of possible content for the game gets overlooked

[mental sleet]

How do you know ?

[zenith onyx]

its the reason why the community feels left out

[zinc anvil]

just because you give feedback dont mean they need take the feedback thats given. also you cant be mad at that a lot of games you dont get this amount of input

[zenith onyx]

ik they don't have to use it, but im saying that any idea that gets good ratings, should alteast be shown to the dev team as an option

again, doesn't have to be used though

[junior crow]

tbf they should at least take note of them

there is a pretty bad disconnect between the community and the team that sometimes it feels like they're talking to a brick wall even when they ask for what we think even when the mass majority speaks their mind it feels like nothing changes or get acknowledged

[zinc anvil]

they look at the feedback

[junior crow]

I'm sure they do but it would be lovely if they showed that they do. maybe every month responded to the feedback that got a lot of positive reactions

it just feels like they don't listen, that's the problem. Not the fact that they don't but the lack of communication

[urban flax]

Well there's something to take into account too regarding feedback

1. Masses are stupid, so even if a feedback gets many upvotes doesn't mean it's good for the game
2. The ones who speak the most may not speak for the majority. The most upvotes I saw on a feedback was around 60. There are thousands of people on this server. The fact they don't react doesn't mean they don't have an opinion.

[junior crow]

hard disagree, have you seen any of the edits done that were given 90 upvotes?

[urban flax]

Well 90 isn't very different from 60 in comparison to the amount of people on this server

[junior crow]

the majority most of the time showcases what most of the community wants 99% of the time

you aren't going to get every single member to react to every post

[urban flax]

You don't know

[junior crow]

but when every post regarding a redesign gets 60+ upvotes consistently it def means something

[violet magnet]

"1. Masses are stupid, so even if a feedback gets many upvotes doesn't mean it's good for the game"

bad reasoning
cop-out reasoning

[junior crow]

^^^^^^

[urban flax]

It means that the 60 people that constantly look at this channel agree
Nothing else

[junior crow]

lol ok

[urban flax]

I get that the community can want something and all agree on that. But they might be wrong about it. For example, people started asking to release evrima monthes before its actual release. Pretty much everybody agreed on that. But releasing evrima that soon would have been a big mistake.

[junior crow]

yes but when we are talking about model and design choices and the majority of people agree on what they want shouldn't that mean something?

[violet magnet]

i think if there's as big an outcry against a design like there was against anky and albert it should at least be looked into, not dismissed with "oh the masses are stupid and don't know what they want"

[urban flax]

We really don't have a lot of information on that 3D model. Only a 3/4 view that doens't even give a very good feeling on the proportions

What if devs do, for example, reduce the size of the head, people are happy, then alberto gets added in-game and they realize its head is tiny ?

[violet magnet]

"we reserved the right to flex our creativity and bend and sway to public opinion only as we see fit", yeah sure but that new alberto is fucking ugly

[urban flax]

I don't find it ugly and I really don't see what's wrong with it

Even if the model is flawed, "ugly" is a big word

Even the Austro concept art (which I find bad) isn't ugly. It's weird, disproportionate, alien-looking, unbalanced maybe, but not ugly.

[paper geyser]

it is disproportionate and awkward, but i wouldn't call it necessarily ugly

[urban flax]

And we know from their carno card on the trello than perspective on their renders is fucked up. Better wait to have a better view on alberto before calling it dumb and disproportionate

[hybrid matrix]

well what about this
if there is a dev hired to look in this channel, if certain suggestions were received really positively, then the dev could repost them in a poll channel that would be in the Info & News category and the ppl who dont come here often can vote

[urban flax]

There's a bot that does exactly that on the official Risk of rain 2 server

[hybrid matrix]

now please dont ping me about this
i just put that here so u could discuss it among urselves

[urban flax]

sry then xD

[hybrid matrix]

its fine
i didnt say it yet

[zinc anvil]

here is the thing you get say 60 upvotes right yet at the same time you have a discord with how many people? 20k people, not only that this community doesn't know what it wants and its always a 50/50ish fight every time on how this,that or the other should be. This is why its better the devs should just get on with it take some of the feedback that they like and carry on as normal making the game that most of us will play no matter happens.

[junior crow]

hard disagree, you can't expect every single person here to upvote everything but when something gets 90 plus upvotes it should mean something.

having just the slightest bit more communication regarding feedback would do wonders

[urban flax]

Actually that would make people even more angry

[junior crow]

its better than being left in the dark

at least give it to us straight

[urban flax]

I'm not so sure about that

[junior crow]

so would it be better to have people conspiracize that the devs don't listen to the community at all or have one person every month say what they agree and disagree on?

also regarding the whole only 60 upvotes thing. Allow me to re iterate.

1. it isn't just upvotes that get posted, a multitude of positive reactions are posted along side them
2. when a god damn topic about either about a design or whatever CONSISTENTLY gets 60 or more upvotes it means something

[zinc anvil]

not saying that im saying the community dont know what it wants this is why we have the feedback so if a good idea is in here the devs pick it out or parts of the feedback they like

[mellow maple]

que

[zinc anvil]

its better to leave it up to the devs then up to us the community would get nowhere.

[junior crow]

ok that makes sense. I apologize if I came off as rude

[mellow maple]

I assume the topic is about devs listening to feedback or something.

[junior crow]

ye

[zinc anvil]

if you have good feedback use the channels its worth doing,but understand that not all feedback is going to get picked out and feedback itself if it is picked out they wont say we picked this out.

[junior crow]

main thing I would like is when the majority of the community agrees on something that it gets picked up. I know that's what most likely happens, its just something I fear doesn't happen

[fervent fable]

@hushed vault omg yes!

[zinc anvil]

good luck given the fact that the community cant agree on anything e.g magy is bad

[junior crow]

I mean when talking about concept art or models, most of the time there is a pretty clear majority and minority

[urban flax]

There is one
Among the people who actively talk about them

[mellow maple]

Mmmm, there's gonna be some things that the isle discussion chat can agree on at times. Not unanimously but it can get close enough.

bary's was pretty close to that.

[junior crow]

^ and its not just the people who actively talk about them people who check in on the discord from time to time will also say that loooks good/bad

[mellow maple]

Not all the time, but close.

Also I must go to my phone provider. I'm fucking ticked. They're practically gonna start to change my double for my phone. So I'm gonna fall off the grid for a while.

See yaa

[zinc anvil]

at the same time okay 50 people upvote something thats just 50 people out of how many? 50 votes shouldnt win as its not correct in numbers on the people in the discord

[icy lion]

50/60000 is 0.083%

[junior crow]

no one is saying it should win but when the ide consistently gets upvotes it means something

at the very least it should be looked at as something the community is interested in

[cyan flame]

And how many of those do actually give a shit about the game and aren't just here because they can't be arsed to leave. Do we have even half of that in players active? :p

[urban flax]

It means what we're trying to explain to you
That almost 0.1% of the people on this server do like the idea

That doesn't mean that the 99.9% others don't like it though

But that's a large margin of incertitude

[junior crow]

OMG ffs I ain't saying that everyone and their mother agrees, but when you look at the constant FUCKING POSTS THAT GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF UPVOTES CONSTANTLY along with the fact that a lot of fucking people share the same sentiment when in the isle discussion it should at the very least mean something

[paper geyser]

it means that less than 0.1% of the community for sure likes the idea. Nothing more

[urban flax]

Well yes
But actually no

[cyan flame]

Out of how many that are actively here and therefor matter? :p

[zinc anvil]

this is why the devs look and pick ideas they like and not us

[cyan flame]

Which also servers as a convenient excuse in a way :p

[junior crow]

I'm fine when they do this but when the majority of the fucking community thinks one way and they do the opposite it doesn't look good.

Take all the upvotes and positive emotes used on every single alberto post for example and you will get a pretty good gander of what the community thinks put this alongside what people say in the isle discussion and its pretty clear.

[paper geyser]

again, not the majority

[cyan flame]

The majority that matters though, or at least possibly so.

[junior crow]

omfg

[paper geyser]

it's a small sample from a massive group of people. It can be used for some estimations but it isn't that reliable. You repeating yourself doesn't change a thing

[cyan flame]

Don't mistake the total majority for the majority that actually matters, those are not the same things.

[junior crow]

ok fine

[urban flax]

You're saying people who don't react to feedback channel don't matter, but they've bought the game as much as you

[paper geyser]

^

[junior crow]

no I'm not

or atleast I ain't trying to

[urban flax]

I'm talking to Erik

[cyan flame]

If you're not actively interacting, do you matter then? You're not understanding how reality works

[junior crow]

I'm just saying there is a very vocal group of people that should be taken into consideration

[paper geyser]

this game has 5k people on daily, yet we get less than a hundred reactions on posts. You can't just ignore 99% of the playerbase because they aren't on this server. I'd wager most don't even know this place exists

[urban flax]

I can see where this is going and I say we should stop this debate now

[zinc anvil]

everyone thinks somethings a great idea till its changed and then you want to go back. these things happen a lot say they changed a model and its worse then you want it changed again you then end up in a endless rotation.

[cyan flame]

5K playing, sure. That'll I grant you, far better than the.. 60K on discord.

[cyan flame]

Can you now. You don't even know what I mean, do you? But fine, if you can't handle it, that's okay.

[paper geyser]

i didn't use the 60k because a large number of those don't play the game anymore, seeing as there aren't 60k on every 24 hours. Do you choose to misinterpret what i say?

[urban flax]

Yeah, let's just say I can't handle it.

[paper geyser]

you can't do much if out of 60,000 people you have 70 saying something is good and 30 saying it's bad. It's practically meaningless

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. Then don't make any arguments unless you can actually debate.

[paper geyser]

5,000 is more reasonable, but still has the same issue

[cyan flame]

At least it is more reasonable, and it may still have some issue, but it's less so then. And the problem is that if you can't do anything, then feedback becomes pointless, because unless you get everyone to actually come and have a say, then you can always use that as an excuse.

[paper geyser]

Feedback is looked at and acted upon as seen fit by whoever is in charge. Basing changes on the opinion of 70 people in a game with over 5k players often simply isn't worth the risk or effort

[valid elk]

Thanks, Medic.

[cyan flame]

I don't know Kato, I don't think thats very much feedback though in that case. And is it worth the risk/effort of keeping it, you'd have the same issue in that case.

[paper geyser]

keeping it requires zero effort, the work is done and other things can be focused on. It will take a lot more time and money to change it than to simply move on and let people suck it up

i should clarify that i want them to listen to us and change the atrocity that is alberto and co, I'm just explaining why they may not

[hushed vault]

#general-feedback-discussion message I’m glad it seems like a good idea

[cyan flame]

@paper geyser Yeah, that's fair. I meant in that the majority of those 5K may not even know this thing or that exist, and have no opinion. In which case if it's changed or not, is irrelevant in the first place for them, they'd get whatever they get and deal with that, and you'd never know what they might have liked or not. Sort of what I was trying to say earlier with majority vs majority that "matters".

Though maybe I should have explained that phrase a bit better, since it could be hard to understand.

[paper geyser]

i see what you mean

[junior crow]

I tallied up all the positive emotes used on the most recent posts revolving redesigns and critiques of the Alberto model. it came up to 1778 positive emotes. If we use this with the 5000 it is a much more noticeable number. This is what I meant, I know this has its flaws but you have to admit if we use the 5k example it shows that a decent amount of people are vocal with their view and a lot agree.

I saw the error in my previous arguments and I apologize.

[cyan flame]

At least there's that then! :)

[violet magnet]

"Then don't make any arguments unless you can actually debate."
Not fair when people are intentionally misrepresenting the stance the person is taking. They weren't saying the rest of the playerbase didn't matter, they were saying that a large number of people didn't like the new designs and that feedback should be looked at

[cyan flame]

Eh.. I think you missed who said what to who?

[junior crow]

I mean no disrespect to anyone who disagrees on my opinion or views and I apologize if I came off as hostile. I respect your views and I hope you can respect mine. I'm tired of this convo so I'm gonna head out. Take care

[violet magnet]

i read the whole thing

[cyan flame]

Also I was a bit rude, but I do not like when people basically goes "let's not" because they think they know how something will go or just don't want to discuss. If they have an issue with my claims, then make a counter, don't just be like "nah".

[junior crow]

are you referring to me?

[worn pumice]

nah

[cyan flame]

Yeah but... that's not what I responded to, unless you mean I was misrepresenting someones point?

[cyan flame]

Me? No, I wasn't.

[cyan flame]

... xD

[junior crow]

ah ok

[worn pumice]

i mean i think theres like 25,000 ppl in the disc

[junior crow]

right but we were using 5k as an example

[worn pumice]

nah that i got but i mean i was gonna say theres like 25k people here but only around 10,000 are active

some people dont even know about the discord

[junior crow]

granted like I said the tally isn't perfect because it could mean that either 3,222 people are fine with the remodel/design choices of the isle while only 1778 are not ok with it for example. However this can be twisted to say that 3,222 people are neutral on the situation

[paper geyser]

i'd say the better part of 200-300 are actually active in here

[worn pumice]

damn

actually wait u right

[paper geyser]

the other 50,700 only come around for updates

[worn pumice]

10k might be online

^

[cyan flame]

Yeah, and therein lies an issue when it comes to things like this. Though discord shouldn't be the only place to be, this could be mitigated by steam/reddit/other places too.

Not sure how active they are with updating and stuff on those places.

[paper geyser]

there isn't really enough space in a discord server for more than 500-1000 people to be active, it would just be too convoluted

[worn pumice]

tru

[junior crow]

Also sorry Kato if I came off as rude I wanted to apologize for that

[paper geyser]

it's all good

no worries

[kindred flare]

@past lion your supposed to sleep to safe logout. If you just hit logout your dino will still be in the world for an amount of time
You probably got killed in that time

[icy lion]

@kindred flare

[kindred flare]

Saw that. But delay could mean anything between a few weeks and next year

[worn pumice]

honestly the reason they dont give time dates is how hype everyone gets

everyone will expect it to release on that day no matter what

also they cant even have a delay

if they never said a release date

[hybrid matrix]

[rocky iris]

@rare sentinel wrong channel to ask that, that's a feedback only channel not a questions channel.

[zinc anvil]

sorry if you dont like this answer but the devs are working hard,suck it up and wait like everyone else.

[worn pumice]

lets also not forget the dev team is pretty small

[kindred flare]

I know that. And I respect that but it would be nice to have an eta as some things take longer than others

[mental sleet]

ETAs have, historically, been goddamn worthless for The Isle.

[worn pumice]

they cant make eta's they did it before and it didnt go over well when they had to delay it

valentines day

[kindred flare]

Yeah but he was super drunk

[worn pumice]

yeah but it doesnt matter

the community will cling to any date

even if its an estimate

this is why eta's arent given anymore

[kindred flare]

Maybe im just giving the community too much credit in respecting that delays happen with eta's. But the update has looked so close for a while now

[worn pumice]

all im saying is that the community will go crazy after an eta is mentioned ive seen it b4 and when the eta is wrong it doesnt go over well

theres a lot of ppl who are not active on this discord

[zinc anvil]

they dont give ETA's because if they dont meet a date they would be pretty much attacked over it thats just the way it is.

[paper geyser]

we've been told they want humans in by the end of this year

wanna bet what'll happen if we don't have humans by the end of the year?

[zinc anvil]

i would say nothing as it was not a promise or an eta, its a i want humans this year if it happens then great if not its not the end of the world, the same way i want to win the lottery and win millions if it happens then great if not oh well better luck next time

[barren zephyr]

pretty much

[paper geyser]

i doubt the majority of people will see it that way

[barren zephyr]

maybe

[mellow maple]

There is one ETA.

When it's ready.

[barren zephyr]

yes

I wouldn't be surprised if they implement humans into the trello when they update the trello board during update 3

[dim umbra]

Tbh i was a long Time Player and right now everything is going even slower then when they had an even smaller Dev Team. We got told things will wind up but unfortunatly it takes even longer then when I Starter playing in 2017. I really hope this will still happen as the game looks divine and the models are great *except The anky and Alberto models *

[zinc anvil]

you want something thats comes when its not ready oh well you'll hate it

[cyan flame]

@paper geyser It'll be fine, most don't seem to care for humans all that much. Maybe it if was tribals instead. :p

[barren zephyr]

3 month waits for updates isn't bad

[cyan flame]

And yes, changed roadmap, oh boy.. xD

[dim umbra]

3 month waiting for an update on an ae game is uncommon. Not saying I can't wait but it's pretty slow in compareson of what they did in 2017.

[brave rampart]

Thing is, if you look at it this way:
Update 3 is confirmed bigger than update 2

Update 3 has about the same amount of development time as update 2 currently.

Update 3 has 2 new movement systems which are complex to the point it can easily break the game if they aren't careful

[barren zephyr]

I like it, it's the same thing that Sea of Thieves (however, SoT has a bigger dev team) is doing, allowing the devs to take their time and create something with quality and not rushed

[brave rampart]

So far, development is pretty fast if update 3 is bigger than 2.

Now the arguement for 2017 updates:

[barren zephyr]

that's why I'm not complaining, I'm excited

update 2 was reasonably big... but 3, mmmm bigger

[brave rampart]

The dinos really didn't have anything special to them aside from animation's and attacks, although the same, they just had either a bigger or smaller hitbox

Now with Evrimas dinos: it's all about quality and uniqueness

Stego in legacy had a much more gradual hitbox

Shants stomp was just a big hitbox with a higher damage output

[zinc anvil]

understand that everything that is coming to the game atm is a foundation to the game things are going to take time and its pretty much and early alpha build currently this is why its a opt in thing because its not stable its going to take time

[barren zephyr]

yes

@rare sentinel you must filter by server name and include EU then refresh

[rare sentinel]

@barren zephyr Thx you

[sacred wyvern]

I think them being used as perks is much better!!

[barren zephyr]

@lime wagon I like your top part of your suggestion, which I can see happening.

however battle scars.

Battle scars shouldn't truly be a thing that is forced enabled once you reach Stego elder

but, I would love the ability to break plates.
With them being weaker and more easy to break during the elder stage

[lime wagon]

I suggested battle scars mainly for aesthetic purposes of the elder stego - give the sense of "oh this stego has seen better days and was a G back when"

but Battle Scars in general are something I want to see OUTSIDE of elders. Wounds don't just disappear after you healed irl like one of the visual indicators we have to keep track of animals within a species are their scarring - so locational scarring is something I'd actually like to see but maybe toggleable for screenshots

[barren zephyr]

@willow zealot I could see your idea being either being an elder perk (when completing a lifecycle, you gain a perma perk) that allows your next creature to survive in a certain climate (you wouldn't be able to gain any other climate perk though) -> but you'd either have troubles with opposite climates

if not, I could see this being a normal perk

[barren zephyr]

I'd say scars should show more vividly as an elder, imo. ONLY if you had acquired them during a fight
Preferably, battle scars should be in the game (however certainly in this time of development)

[lime wagon]

^

[barren zephyr]

honestly this magy suggestion is making me want to play magy a good amount of times

@boreal rose I'm not expect on crocs and gators
How do they stop blood flow? ||saying as you should implement this in your feedback, as a suggestion||

I do like the idea though

[boreal rose]

You see, crocodilians have a small opening between their left and right aorta of the heart, called Foramen of Panizza, it means that blood does not have to necessarily flow to the lungs when the crocodilian is underwater.

[barren zephyr]

nice

@quartz wadi
for all we know, the special ability will be eating

being able to eat anything without a negative effect on it's health

[quartz wadi]

thats just boring as fuck though lmao, every dino in the game has a combat related ability thats very useful then imagine cerato "oh I can eat whatever I want"

[barren zephyr]

I mean

it's not a bad ability

because the diet and perk system will focus on thing such as eating.

If a carno eats a body, it can turn sick- meaning it wont have a very happy time fighting

[quartz wadi]

thats not an ability, cerato being able to eat whatever it wants is something it can do sure but its not unique or combat related

[barren zephyr]

it's very unique imo

it's the only animal in The Isle that will be able to eat without no negative effect

to which I did already say that

[quartz wadi]

i can bet you other dinos will beable to do the same especially scavengers so no its not unique neither is it an ability but one of its advantages in its playstyle just like how carno's fast health regeneration isnt an ability

I cant wait for devs to work on humans with their small team so that we have to wait 50 years for the next big actual dino related update

When more money is spent on personal desires rather than on your own game

[barren zephyr]

"to feed upon the most putrid of carcasses"
Sounds like there will be different tiers of carcasses.

I'd guess all scavengers will be able to eat most fresh carcasses.
However, they will still be negatively effected if they eat the carcass of something they don't 'prefer'

Unlike Cerato, being able to eat anything (unless it literally cant eat it). Without anything negative

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn't be surprised if they start working on it soon
Seeing as Punch said they will be updating the trello board once update 3 drops... Humans may be getting it's own card (supposedly update 5-8)

[quartz wadi]

thats like saying rats are negatively effected by eating rotten and left over food in trash so they must eat only fresh food to live

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is the rat

[quartz wadi]

Are we forgetting that these are dinosaurs? their digestive and immune systems are very strong, scavengers even stronger to survive in the worst situations. Would make no sense if they cant eat from a rotten carcass like cerato and have no negative side effects

[barren zephyr]

I have mainly referred 'negative effects' to 'slower growth time' (however I do acknowledge that I have not stated that previously) hence why I said "they will still be negatively effected if they eat the carcass of something they don't 'prefer'"

However cerato will not, unlike other scavengers, be negatively effected in any way possible.
No negative growth, no sickness' etc

Unlike normal scavengers, eg. Troodon, that if they eat the carcass of a dinosaur/animal they don't prefer, they will be negatively effected in terms of growth.

I also could see Cerato being able to eat poisoned carcasses too, which would help if incase they randomly had found one (and if they implement that system, which wouldn't be a bad idea)

[quartz wadi]

scavengers have no preference they eat what they have available, theyre VERY opportunistic, they shouldnt have any negative side effects even growth

[barren zephyr]

unless they give scavengers the ability to receive less negative debuffs then your typical animal

not to the extent of Cerato being 'immune to even the worst of the worst'

but, good nonetheless

@glad herald elaborate more?

[glad herald]

No, hehehe

[barren zephyr]

[glad herald]

[barren zephyr]

it just doesn't make sense

[glad herald]

why?

[barren zephyr]

maybe herbs can send group to other herbs of different species

do you mean you want herbs to be able to mixherd?

[glad herald]

yes, but in the same group example: in the same group obtain tenontos, dryos and stegos

[barren zephyr]

hm

[paper oriole]

i think it should be a server option tbh

[glad herald]

Good

[barren zephyr]

it should be

[paper oriole]

or maybe hadrosaurs by default can invite other hadrosaurs and mix herd, since they seem like the most sociable. ceratopsians as another example seem more like the grouchy type with other species

[barren zephyr]

server admins need more control over their server.
Myself preferably would love to see some improvement and some choices (like lighting)

[paper oriole]

aside from the obvious tacos

[glad herald]

[paper oriole]

dont think taco has any room to be aggressive with other herbis lol, but by default pretty much any other ceratopsian doesnt seem right mix herding with most other species

[barren zephyr]

lol

it would need some protection

[glad herald]

truth

[paper oriole]

mixed hadro herds would be hot to see, like it could be their special feature collectively. being social atm is the only real thing herbis have going for them in legacy at least

[glad herald]

[paper oriole]

not sure how new alberto looks fat. disproportionate definitely, but fat?

[crystal sage]

Might be referring to that thicc neck, but yea it’s not exactly far

[paper oriole]

yeah his neck looks too big thats basically it lol

and his hips look a little shrinkwrapped to me but thats just my opinion

[flat ridge]

the face looks pretty dumb, not fat but dumb

not sure whats up with the huge eye

i think its pretty cool this game is being rebuilt from the ground-up but it's definitely not really what it used to be

[paper oriole]

his eye doesnt seem too odd alongside a bunch of other alberto concepts, might just be the colour standing out in the model preview that makes it look weird. though i'm not really a tyrannosaur enthusiast so i probably miss a lot lol

[flat ridge]

it's one thing to put out new models and sneak peeks, it's another thing to make it seem like no soul is being put into some of them

like i wanna see new content and all but i wanna see GOOD content

[paper oriole]

and ya they're gone way overboard with some of the designs, i kinda miss when things were more grounded and accurate

[flat ridge]

i dont care for accuracy to skeletons and such, but it should be obvious when something is disproportionate, also the broke wrists on utah. i dislike the utah being a JP copy as it's just unoriginal, i quite liked the original utah, but there needs to be something more fresh and nicer to look at

[paper oriole]

it's honestly more creative and refreshing for a dino game to be accurate than to make generic disproportionate, super spike or limp wristed dinos. because the latter seems to be the go-to for almost every franchise

it would be nice for them to be skeletally accurate with some sensible creative liberties added on

[flat ridge]

i feel there should be accuracy with a hint of originality, so it's not like you're playing the worlds most accurate dinosaur sim but it still feels like something believable considering this game is supposed to be a horror one (?)

[paper oriole]

like the austro, the cool wings and flippy eyebrows are neat but they should try to make it look like an austroraptor too and not some alien heron that strays way off from its skeletal reconstruction

yeah it's supposedly eventually supposed to be survival horror

but i can't be afraid of tyrannorexic and bobblehead albert

[ashen wasp]

To be fair, there are high points in the designs right alongside the low points. Oviraptor is great-looking. Minmi is fantastic. Hypsi is adorable. Kentro looks exquisite. Just contrast those with Anky, Alberto, etc.

[flat ridge]

i liked the aesthetic of alot of the old isle models, alot of them had very nice skins, i also loved how the lighting and envrionment looked in the older versions of the isle

[paper oriole]

oviraptor and minmi are pretty close to their irl skeletals, ovi with creative liberties added on. same with new bary

some deviations like tenonto and hypsi worked out well, some others like concept austro, albert and acro look... subpar at best

[flat ridge]

it might just be me but im not a fan of the new lighting and also the new tropical envrionment, also the new skins seem to just be low quality? im hoping in the future there will be a map more inspired by forests and such

[paper oriole]

and anky, dear god i won't even go there this time

[flat ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716087004122841179/775723917812695070/cMCf4Cn.png

[paper oriole]

new map is def pretty boring, hopefully there's cooler biomes on the locked areas when we get them

[flat ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716087004122841179/775725083506638909/35bc6a9e3c28794503d4dbf730d0a526.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716087004122841179/775724256654262295/a5c4de131e5232de6425d4d5b506eb83.png

[paper oriole]

and it's also obvious the skins were designed around the system, they don't blend well and look like they're painted on action figures in most cases

hopefully new skin system does better

[flat ridge]

yeah the skins look weird, it kind of seems like theres just been too much done to them, they're very busy but also very sharp, it'd be nice to have cleaner designs that are softer and more pleasing to the eye with less crowding

[barren zephyr]

neck

I'm late, yes.
but it's neck

[barren zephyr]

mainly because Spiro was rushed due to Spero being too large

and I hope Spero gets a name change once/if they implement Spero into Evrima anytime soon

[flat ridge]

its definitely shown that it was rushed, i really hope they add in more biomes such as snow or biomes with mountain-ranges based on colder climates (kind of like the area of valentine, cumberland forest, etc in RDR2)

im not a fan of tropical biomes, im really not

[barren zephyr]

oh we certainly will be getting new biomes for at least Spiro
eg. Redwoods and the implementation of Region 2 #phase-two-archive message

[quartz wadi]

New alberto just needs to be more slim and built like a smaller but weaker rex but with more stam and faster like originally intended

[barren zephyr]

however I wouldn't hate something like an ecodome

[flat ridge]

ecodome?

[barren zephyr]

no idea what you'd call it XD

unless you'd call it a large terrarium

[flat ridge]

im also very excited for redwoods and region 2, i loved these maps

[barren zephyr]

I'm glad the devs are trying to implement them
hopefully it's done well

[flat ridge]

yeah, i haven't touched evrima once, i think mainly because of the tropical map and also the very rough looking textures, redwoods and region 2 would encourage me to play it probably

everything just looks so "hard", im not sure how to explain it, the textures are extremely sharp so it makes it hard to enjoy the dino you're playing, most specifically this problem is on the utah

it doesnt look natural? you would think a living creature has more of a soft look to it with gentle blending of its markings and colors, im not sure how to put it

[paper oriole]

some ecodomes in abandoned mercenary/experiment bases would be real cool ngl, some with broken walls and such

even if they just turned into new docks being overrun by utahs or something

[barren zephyr]

yeah, LOD

it can become very ugly.
trees in the far and distant looking wrong and weird without the proper lighting

[barren zephyr]

it would be perfect

[flat ridge]

i guess a good visual would be this

it just looks very natural?

[barren zephyr]

yeah

not very great

but it's better than current Legacy and Evrima

especially with lighting

which is a major problem right now

for both, however we don't have to worry about legacy

[flat ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716087004122841179/775722751427870750/maxresdefault.png

[barren zephyr]

feels fluffy

hopefully we can get something similar, but better, in the near future

[flat ridge]

yeah hopefully, i realize evrima is still new and unpolished but hopefully this is what they work towards, i thought this lighting was amazing

[barren zephyr]

yeah, it's still in it's Alpha

[quartz wadi]

i think evrima lighting is fine, could be brighter during the day but is pretty fine it just needs areas with less grass and trees like legacy not the entire map covered in forest

[flat ridge]

i dont have a problem with brightness as i have high gamma (for personal use as im an artist)

[barren zephyr]

honestly I wish we got this grass
#phase-two-archive message

[flat ridge]

but with how it generally looks on the envrionment and dinosaurs, it looks very rough

[quartz wadi]

its concept art it might be added in the future

[barren zephyr]

I know

[flat ridge]

i liked that concept art, it was cool and i liked the openness of it

[barren zephyr]

I could certainly see it arriving with the map update (4)

[barren zephyr]

felt a lot more natural and more home-like, especially to where I live

[flat ridge]

it had a good amount of green without it looking neon and overly-green, the big problem i see with the new tropical-type map is its TOO much green, im sure some people like it while some others dont so i feel like the option for other maps or biomes would be really nice

i just dont like the vibe of tropical stuff

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[flat ridge]

snow would be especially nice, it would be cool if the map was like rdr2 where there were different biomes everywhere, though maybe this would prove too big of a project

the rdr2 map is massive so probably not ideal for the isle, it took about 20 mins to ride full speed on a missouri fox trotter from valentine to tumbleweed

[barren zephyr]

#phase-two-archive message
#phase-two-archive message
I still wish we had this lighting, personally it looks better than to what we currently have

[barren zephyr]

seeing something like that wouldn't be bad
They should do that with Spero, seeing as it was quite big

[flat ridge]

why didnt they use it? i like that it mutes the green a bit and makes things more pleasing to look at

[barren zephyr]

I know, it has it's own aesthetic

but there was no word about it

none of the devs, to what I remember (I could be wrong and missed something) had addressed the lighting change

it just looked WAY better imo, having it's own aesthetic

[flat ridge]

i only remember reading something about implementing a new sky system or something like that

[barren zephyr]

[flat ridge]

when they were showing off sunsets and such

[barren zephyr]

yeah

Rick, remember any word on it?

[brave rampart]

That feedback where he says the devs don't listen to feedback..
And his evidence is.. bugs?

I'm dead

[barren zephyr]

lol

[brave rampart]

Oh sorry I just read this

[barren zephyr]

haha

[barren zephyr]

#phase-two-archive message

[noble pine]

@flat ridge

Edit > new model

[flat ridge]

the edit helps alot

[barren zephyr]

it does

[flat ridge]

the eye still seems a bit odd though, maybe cause it's untextured

[noble pine]

I think it’s just how big it is

[quartz wadi]

I dont get why it has bumps on its tail

[noble pine]

I mean

[quartz wadi]

theyre tryna add too much texture sometimes

[noble pine]

It could be hinting at a tail attack of some sort

[barren zephyr]

^

[noble pine]

I mean, reptiles have a lot of extra bumps and shit irl

I don’t see the issue with putting them on dinos

[flat ridge]

the bumps do look a bit weird

[noble pine]

But they’re obviously there to serve a purpose

[barren zephyr]

I personally like it, makes it look weird and different

[quartz wadi]

much better just needs some small adjustments to the head so it isnt all dented inwards

[noble pine]

Wdym

[barren zephyr]

and also, with a skin on the model, looks really tasty

[flat ridge]

hopefully they take that feedback, if im playing the isle im gonna wanna like what im playing

[barren zephyr]

seem like they've been trying to implement good feedback

[noble pine]

I understand having the freedom as a team or devs to kinda accept and deny feedback, popular or not

But when it comes to animations and models, it would be in you, the devs best Interest to heavily consider that criticism, especially if it’s a consistently suggested thing

[flat ridge]

^

[barren zephyr]

yes pretty much

[noble pine]

Because I as a player, would like to enjoy the thing I’m playing and enjoy the way it moves and looks

[flat ridge]

it would probably drive people away from your game if your models and animations are odd, i quite like the animations they've been doing so far but the models matter just as much

[noble pine]

I want to look and feel like a badass mid sized tyrannosaur

Not a far necked tarbo.

[brave rampart]

Tbf you aren't really gonna be looking at your model a whole lot, you'll be looking at trees and the distance to find your prey

But I get that

[flat ridge]

i always stare at my dino when i play

[brave rampart]

Oh damn

[noble pine]

Um no, I like to stare at my animal way too much

[flat ridge]

it's just part of the game and gaining that interest from me

[brave rampart]

I see

[flat ridge]

i probably wouldn't play if i didnt have something nice to play as

[noble pine]

Like of course you’ll be looking around

[barren zephyr]

as someone who likes to take photos a lot
it's both a mixture of environment and model

[noble pine]

But those animations and details in certain places are gonna be catching your eye

[brave rampart]

Well I barely look at my model cause I try to be self aware and not miss anything

Damm

[noble pine]

If I missed something important, I’ll know it was there when I’m on the selection screen again

[brave rampart]

that's not me insulting anyone btw

[junior crow]

I just hope we get the side view of the alberto model sooner rather than later honestly

[flat ridge]

i dont really play the game as "i gotta survive" because its a game, i dont care if i die, i dont mind the penalty, i just enjoy what i play

i like watching the anims and i also take a ton of screenshots

[noble pine]

I care if I die if I spent several hours growing

[flat ridge]

legacy was good for that, i had alot of pictures from when velo was new in progression but i lost all of those

[noble pine]

But if i spent an hour or some growing, fuck it.

[flat ridge]

i play sandbox, i dont like survival, it drives me away from the game and im hoping evrima will input sandbox

[noble pine]

They will

But it’s not a priority

[barren zephyr]

^

[flat ridge]

i play the game to enjoy being a dino, not really to waste time growing one

[noble pine]

Step one

become an admin on a survival server

End of steps

[barren zephyr]

just remember nygia, Isle is a survival game

[flat ridge]

i dont play enough to be an admin, also survival tends to be boring anyways, not enough activity is happening

[noble pine]

Survival horror

[barren zephyr]

^

[brave rampart]

I mean

[noble pine]

That’s why

[barren zephyr]

for the time being that is

[brave rampart]

The closest you'll get so far to sandbox are free growth servers

[noble pine]

The diet system, that other system that encourages you to do activates, perk system, nesting, etc etc is gonna be a thing

[flat ridge]

there should be both options though, because not everyone wants to play survival

[noble pine]

It encourages you to do more activities

[noble pine]

You’re going to get it

But not rn

Probably in a few months

[brave rampart]

Honestly I want one side of the sandbox to have a massive patch of jungle while the other side will just be bare like legacys test map

With a couple water sources

[noble pine]

I like sandbox a lot, it’s a “hey I don’t have a lot of time so I’ll just go here”

[brave rampart]

And the other goodies from legacy sandbox

[flat ridge]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1008149006332777499/138875BFA3000EDF4B2339EE672263A4628D6ED7/

[barren zephyr]

I'd like a single player mode as well once they implement better AI 👉 👈

and also better Admin controls

[noble pine]

make server
0/1
locked
max ai

[barren zephyr]

I haven't been able to run a server properly

[barren zephyr]

ping

Australian internet is absolutely terrible
I don't want to make a private server

[noble pine]

Fuck

I don’t see why they would honestly

[brave rampart]

But honestly

With sandbox, there also needs to be bodies and play-dummy dinos or AI

[noble pine]

I’d suggest it

[flat ridge]

i would like to see a return of test map in evrima

[brave rampart]

A better one

[flat ridge]

but with shaders that aren't pitch black

[brave rampart]

Like the one Amarok showcases

[noble pine]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

yes

[brave rampart]

We also need a growth slider

[barren zephyr]

I know, there isn't any need for a single player mode at the moment

[noble pine]

In the future they could

[barren zephyr]

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please

[noble pine]

Could be good for practice or if you’d like an actual realistic simulation

[brave rampart]

Ain't gonna last long now maye

Mate

[feral wedge]

Nice.

[barren zephyr]

thank you Gar

[noble pine]

Imagine being brain dead.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[noble pine]

Jesus Christ I had kids on this app.

“Guys muh n wurd funne huhuh”