Humans sleep in sleeping bags.. you've never been camping?
#general-feedback-discussion
potent sparrow
left nacelle
Hence why I propose humans spawn with a sleeping bag. In their logging out animation, they put it down and go to sleep
light carbon
Humans sleep in sleeping bags.. you've never been camping?
counts as a shelter
potent sparrow
So carry sleeping bag
Then your idea works
Hold h to safe log and your Merc hauls out a sleeping bag
Boom
left nacelle
Just don't make it something that has to be crafted/found. Would suck if you wanna log out but you can't cause you don't have a sleeping bag
dense wagon
yeh
icy lion
if you want to promote making shelters, you can make safe logging take longer the less shelter you have
potent sparrow
Tribals maybe no sleeping bag idk
light carbon
have you ever seen someone sleep in a sleeping bag with nothing else around him? especially in hostile environment?
light carbon
if you want to promote making shelters, you can make safe logging take longer th...
yeah exactly, this is getting closer
potent sparrow
I've slept under the stars at a camp once
Next to a river in the wild in a sleeping bag on the ground
People do it
left nacelle
If I was in a dense jungle, I would put a sleeping bag straight on the ground. Having a tent or a fire could make it easier to be spotted
icy lion
yeah exactly, this is getting closer
ive said that 3 times
dense wagon
have you ever seen someone sleep in a sleeping bag with nothing else around him?...
ever read the hunger games?
light carbon
Next to a river in the wild in a sleeping bag on the ground
yeah you would at least make a campfire and put something over your head irl
at least
barren zephyr
ever read the hunger games?
that's invalid, but still valid
dense wagon
that's worse bro
dense wagon
that's invalid, but still valid
how so
icy lion
youre probably not gonna light a fire in a hostile environment
barren zephyr
how so
Hunger Games isn't real, but yes. You can still sleep without anything (besides a sleeping bag)
left nacelle
Even if the environment wasn't hostile, I wouldn't light a fire in a dense jungle lol
barren zephyr
Even if the environment wasn't hostile, I wouldn't light a **fire** in a **dense...
you'd attract things
not a good move
potent sparrow
Could always become bat and hang in tree
left nacelle
I was more thinking about wildfires but yeah lol
light carbon
things can smell em, and see em, especially at night
but they cant smell, see and hear a sleeping person that is literally defenceless?
barren zephyr
Could always become bat and hang in tree
and risk the chance of falling though
potent sparrow
Gasp
dense wagon
alot of aspects are fictionalized, but the survival aspect was researched alot by the author
it's a good read
barren zephyr
alot of aspects are fictionalized, but the survival aspect was researched alot b...
I know, I've read it and watched it
icy lion
but they cant smell, see and hear a sleeping person that is literally defenceles...
theyre far less likely to see, smell, and hear a sleeping person than a bright, crackling, smoking fire
potent sparrow
When it's about survival you don't always have the privilege of a shelter
barren zephyr
however Katniss' sleeping bag was designed to keep her warm
dense wagon
but they cant smell, see and hear a sleeping person that is literally defenceles...
the sleeping person isn't radiating heat smoke and light
icy lion
theyre far less likely to see, smell, and hear a sleeping person than a bright, ...
especially if humans are allowed to "wallow"
worn pumice
Lmao humans wallowing
light carbon
theyre far less likely to see, smell, and hear a sleeping person than a bright, ...
if you are talking about other humans then yes, but not animals, with animals its the other way, they are scared of fire but not of a person sleeping on a ground
dense wagon
smell tracking works through movement
if you aren't moving around, no footsteps, no tracking
icy lion
and theyre far less likely to find the human than the campfire
dense wagon
so no, they wont smell see or hear you niyatex
potent sparrow
All this talk is making me miss summer camping
dense wagon
Lmao humans wallowing
less wallowing than it would be tactical camouflage
potent sparrow
Humans wallowing will probably look like them scooping up mud and slapping it on themselves
light carbon
again, we are not talking about the mechanics, but about pure visuals or balancing
icy lion
yes
light carbon
laying as a person under the tree with no camp fire and no shelter is asking to be killed in sleep by a wild animal
barren zephyr
laying as a person under the tree with no camp fire and no shelter is asking to ...
well that's a risk some might have to take
icy lion
balance wise, restricting the only way to make yourself not remain on the server for 5 minutes to having either a building or a light is poor balance and horrible quality of life
worn pumice
laying as a person under the tree with no camp fire and no shelter is asking to ...
How?
U can easily hide as a human
icy lion
and like i said, youre far less likely to be detected without a fire
dense wagon
laying as a person under the tree with no camp fire and no shelter is asking to ...
bro. a camp fire would attract wild animals, not keep them away
icy lion
if you have no shelter, getting found and eaten is a willing wisk
players will be automatically rewarded for creating or seeking shelter because it is inherently safer
barren zephyr
if you don't have the equipment to fend off against predators, having to sleep with no shelter is a risk you'd take
icy lion
because of that, it makes no sense to remove the ability that other players always have for immersions sake
dense wagon
by your logic
how do hundreds of utahs survive resting under a bush, with no shelter
light carbon
in real life a wild animal will at least know that there, where the campfire is, can be a human, which the animal is usually scared of and wont come closer, but if the animal randomly walks into a human sleeping and providing no threat, it might take the chance and get some food for itself, but in the 1st case it wont risk it, bcs it doesn't know if the human is defenceless or not and if the 2nd case it immediately upon meeting the human sees that it is not a threat
potent sparrow
As a player dinosaur what is your instinct to a campfire? Avoid it or go there to rip their face off?
icy lion
in real life a wild animal will at least know that there, where the campfire is,...
these are human players.
dense wagon
oh yeah, as if fucking dinosaurs will be scared of humans
barren zephyr
As a player dinosaur what is your instinct to a campfire? Avoid it or go there t...
depending on what you're playing
but if you're hungry, why not try your luck
dense wagon
these are dinosaur players, not small wild animals
potent sparrow
Point is they know you're there
dense wagon
also
light carbon
you guys were providing real life proof, so did i. as soon as the argument got uncomfortable you guys remembered we are talking about human controlled 3d models, okay lets go sure
dense wagon
why would a campfire discourage dinosaurs from approaching a human? what does the campfire do
why is the human suddenly
a much larger threat
now that it has a camp fire
light carbon
these are pure visuals, if the human needs to log out in the middle of nowhere, let there be a debuff such as placing a camp, so some might spot it, if you wanna log out safely 100% go to a place where you can do so
icy lion
you guys were providing real life proof, so did i. as soon as the argument got u...
i dont understand?
potent sparrow
We don't know RL dinosaur behavior. For all we know they were so smart they could make fires and talk about ghost stories of humans shooting dinosaurs while they camped!
dense wagon
uh no
potent sparrow
Come oooon it's funny
icy lion
i just dont see where we were specifically talking irl stuff that didnt apply to the game
potent sparrow
This conversation got very derailed xD
dense wagon
we were providing real life proof because we were talking about humans
but with dinosaur players in a horror game its entirely different
light carbon
its unrealistic to sleep on the ground as a human
dense wagon
in a sleeping bag?
light carbon
ive repeated this like 100 times already
icy lion
though it isnt
barren zephyr
its unrealistic to sleep on the ground as a human
unless you live in a third world country 
dense wagon
a sleeping bag is all you need
hell, there are people that do lie on the ground and sleep that way on the streets
without a sleeping bag
light carbon
well if you can sleep on the ground props to you, everyone ive seen go camping in the wild always had a camp fire, a tent or some kind of a shelter and THE sleeping bag
icy lion
isle mercs arent ready to come on a camping trip, theyre likely minimally geared and struggling to survive
a campfire in a game like this is a death sentence, full stop
barren zephyr
well if you can sleep on the ground props to you, everyone ive seen go camping i...
because people prefer a more safer and comfy sleep
light carbon
ye but if there are literal dinosaurs walking around would u risk laying in a bush? i wouldn't, i would go find smth with walls
dense wagon
well if you can sleep on the ground props to you, everyone ive seen go camping i...
do they ever have dinosaurs to worry about
light carbon
do they ever have dinosaurs to worry about
exactly, thats why you want to sleep in safety
dense wagon
but campfires aren't safe
icy lion
ye but if there are literal dinosaurs walking around would u risk laying in a bu...
and youll be rewarded for taking time to find it by being safer when you log. we're saying that having shelter shouldnt be the only way to safelog
dense wagon
ye but if there are literal dinosaurs walking around would u risk laying in a bu...
sure
light carbon
but campfires aren't safe
exactly, so safe are only concrete walls, and here we come to my point, that you should log out only in human structures
dense wagon
but a campfire and a sleeping bag? bad idea
dense wagon
but you said like 20 mins ago that that WASN'T your argument
icy lion
yea you should only log out somewhere safe, but you shouldnt be forced to by having logging be completely removed unless youre in shelter
dense wagon
.
potent sparrow
Aight agree to disagree I guess because it's not getting anywhere xD
barren zephyr
exactly, so safe are only concrete walls, and here we come to my point, that you...
don't forget you aren't totally safe when in a building
others (mercs) might want you dead for ammunition
potent sparrow
I'm good thanks
light carbon
you changed your argument 3 times in half an hour
no, my argument was always about logging out in a building, which everyone didn't like so i chose a middle-ground which everyone didn't like too, so fuck it i guess, back to origins by making a lap around
icy lion
let me put my thoughts together, i know i have problems making myself clear.
- the safelog mechanic should not be restricted only to shelter
- the safelog mechanic can be enhanced by having shelter, such as safelog being faster in shelter
- safelogging being removed from the game unless you put yourself in danger is poor game design and bad quality of life
potent sparrow
Sleeping bag. Every Merc has one on their backpack. Hold H to safelog. Animation is they haul out their sleeping bag and go night night. Solved.
light carbon
Sleeping bag. Every Merc has one on their backpack. Hold H to safelog. Animation...
night night between 2 cheeks of a rex, nice
dense wagon
sleeping bag is standard, you should get like, 60 seconds of the safelog timer
icy lion
sigh
dense wagon
sleeping in a shelter/building should either half that time or bring it to 40 seconds
light carbon
let me put my thoughts together, i know i have problems making myself clear.
1. ...
i somewhat agree, anyways the devs will have the last word, so lets find out ig
icy lion
i dont think i can make myself any clearer than that. reminder that a campfire doesnt scare human players, its a dinnerbell
barren zephyr
i dont think i can make myself any clearer than that. reminder that a campfire d...
I can see people making campfires as a trap to lure in dinosaurs
potent sparrow
Ooo
dense wagon
they'll prolly see through that, since they know that making campfires is basically a death sentence
light carbon
i dont think i can make myself any clearer than that. reminder that a campfire d...
i can see someone choosing quality of life over safety. like if i have everything to defend myself against most of the threats, i would chose quality, if i dont have shit, ofc im gonna choose the safest approach
potent sparrow
Quality of life is something you do in the comfort of your home, not in the wilderness. Might as well pack a couch
icy lion
in terms of merc quality of life? that might not even be a thing in this game
light carbon
they'll prolly see through that, since they know that making campfires is basica...
if you make a campfire do something usefull game mechanic-wise that wont be the only thing it provides
icy lion
these are people stranded on an island full of mutant dinosaurs
potent sparrow
Think of a legitimate RL situation. What if your car broke down and you were in a forest with nothing. Let's say you absolutely had to leave your car.
What would you do
light carbon
so we coming back to rl again?
potent sparrow
Yes
light carbon
bruh we on a swing today
dense wagon
sorry if it seems like a cycle but like i said
we have to think about irl when it comes to humans, but not when it comes to dinosaurs
that's why we keep shifting
light carbon
but why does it change whenever the previous settling becomes uncomfortable for you?
barren zephyr
and we can't say much about humans, since we have very little information on them for The Isle
Hence why relate with rl
potent sparrow
So what would you do if you were unfortunate to get lost in the woods
And say dinos were out
What would you do
light carbon
find 4 walls, which they cant get through giving that there are some
light carbon
the devs put them on the map, find them
barren zephyr
find 4 walls, which they cant get through giving that there are some
I mean, staying in-doors isn't always gonna be the best choice for safety.
Yes, it'll be the best
but it wont 100% be safe
icy lion
the devs put them on the map, find them
thats why people mentioned buildings being a hotspot as a detriment
light carbon
Ok but you're miles from said walls
go for it of course, i have 1 life dude dont wanna risk it
dense wagon
give him the benefit of the doubt
he finds a building. what's there gonna be
a bunch of hungry carnivores guarding it cause they know it's a hotspot
potent sparrow
Ok but let's say you go for it. And suddenly your mom calls you for supper.
What do
barren zephyr
a bunch of hungry carnivores guarding it cause they know it's a hotspot
and/or mercs that are hungry for equipment
light carbon
Ok but let's say you go for it. And suddenly your mom calls you for supper.
well im a grown boy that can either wait or choose to eat by the computer while im getting there
dapper pulsar
climbing hooks
hang glider
find very high place
glide for 5 minutes
eat fast
dense wagon
dapper pulsar
fly slow
light carbon
he got a point tho
its a cliff
that you have to get to
not ground
fall -> sleep
dense wagon
who keeps a hang glider in their car
barren zephyr
glide for 5 minutes
and hope there isn't a ptera (and in the future, a quetz)
dapper pulsar
and hope there isn't a ptera (and in the future, a quetz)
give keyboard to little brother.
light carbon
and hope there isn't a ptera (and in the future, a quetz)
or anything that can climb
potent sparrow
Ok I'll give you a scenario:
You don't know where shelter is.
Dinos are out.
All you have in your backpack is a sleeping bag and a roll of toilet paper.
What do you do?
dense wagon
dapper pulsar
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/8183285047...
grenade
light carbon
a bunch of hungry carnivores guarding it cause they know it's a hotspot
we were talking about irl scenario which you then suddenly switched to game bcs it stopped being in your favour, not gonna answer that 
light carbon
Think of a legitimate RL situation. What if your car broke down and you were in ...
1, and then 2 is this
potent sparrow
You've clearly never been taught survival training in school
dapper pulsar
Ok I'll give you a scenario:
You don't know where shelter is.
Dinos are out.
...
find rocks
put rocks in sleeping bag
Win.
wait shit did I forget to remove the @? Sorry.
light carbon
@ rl situation
@ mom calls for dinner
you gonna provide anything good today or what?
dense wagon
we were talking about irl scenario which you then suddenly switched to game bcs ...
it was never irl
maple. said. there. were. dinosaurs.
light carbon
all you doing is swinging from irl to game, whenever it is more favourable
all this hour
potent sparrow
The being called for supper scenario was a joke cus you claim you have all the time in the world to PC
Anyway ignore it.
light carbon
when i chose to play a game i have all the time to play it
when i dont have time to play it, i dont
that simple
dense wagon
i've been here for 50 minutes this is pointless
light carbon
and i would be very frustrated if my game was worse bcs someone has to combine a job with it
dense wagon
i'm gonna do something productive, cya
dapper pulsar
ok, but wouldn't it be better to make the game more accessible at the mild cost of realism?
icy lion
i dont see how it makes it worse when you can simply choose to only log in shelter
dense wagon
i'd also advise you guys go do the same
light carbon
i've been here for 50 minutes this is pointless
ofc, come back when you have a working statement
dapper pulsar
I've been tabbed out this entire time, I'll cover.
potent sparrow
Only reason I'm still here is this got entertaining but ya I'm out now. xD
light carbon
literally an hour, and all you guys do is swing from irl to game whenever it is in your favour
ggs
dense wagon
ofc, come back when you have a working statement
passive aggression, aint cool
light carbon
passive aggression, aint cool
true 
potent sparrow
Let's talk about something else. So about them feesh
icy lion
elite fish should be hostile to smaller critters
dapper pulsar
add bigger fish
potent sparrow
Megalodon AI swimming in the deep oceans off the map so anyone trying to swim far away from the map gets eaten
light carbon
@zenith onyx nocturnal dinos dont need to sleep in the night, bcs they already slept during the day, if your suggestion would involve that part in it, might've been a yes
dapper pulsar
I think aquatic reptiles would be a better fit, although maybe Mega could be like an alternate model for it if they ever plan on implementing it as a playable. I think a shark would be good though! Maybe Orthacanthus as an AI predator.
light carbon
also, is elite fish like bigger than regular one? more rare or smth?
dapper pulsar
they're bigger types of fish and don't school, I believe.
potent sparrow
I haven't played a lot of grand theft auto 5 but I've seen that if you try boat off map a shark attacks you
Is a great idea to keep people on the map rather than an invisible wall
light carbon
I haven't played a lot of grand theft auto 5 but I've seen that if you try boat ...
ye true, thats to prevent falling off the map ig? so the player cant reach the maps limits. would be cool for the isle
or like that giant mf from spore
if someone remembers
whenever you swim far away from shore
dapper pulsar
A mosasaur or pliosaur would be a better fit for that role, I feel.
light carbon
true
dapper pulsar
ye
light carbon
but i feel like it should give some warning as it is a game where you can lose progress
dapper pulsar
Eh, I think people should just avoid the ocean
potent sparrow
If you're swimming far away from shore you pretty much accept death lmao
light carbon
like "you are approaching very deep waters better bail out"
potent sparrow
Go far enough you hear the noise of the mosasaur going "mmmrrrrr" and you have a few moments before it surfaces and goes for you
light carbon
well, how do you think people discovered the shark in gta and the giant creature in spore, they went to explore thinking its fine but nah straight into the teeth
light carbon
Go far enough you hear the noise of the mosasaur going "mmmrrrrr" and you have a...
thats good
light carbon
well, how do you think people discovered the shark in gta and the giant creature...
and in a game where you can lose hrs of progress it would be nice to warn them before smth like that happening
potent sparrow
I mean honestly anyone trying to leave the map perimeters is not interested in staying alive xD
light carbon
true, but what if making the mosasaur for example killing you in deep waters, not on the edge of the map?
how is that for an idea
potent sparrow
Or both
light carbon
yeah so if a dino goes for smth like this it will die in the dark blue?
potent sparrow
I wouldn't put them in areas like that. I'm moreso referring to way out off map where people only swim to so they die anyway
potent sparrow
If you get a bad spawn you swim out to sea to drown. Being eaten would be more fun
potent sparrow
Yeah.
light carbon
anything that looks better than the previous is a go4
falling to sleep instead of disappearing, getting eaten instead of drowning
and so on
is always a yes
no doubt
cerulean raft
did any of u guys see my idea about the hatching animation for baby dinos?
paper oriole
normal dinos have no real reason to swim down (dive) imo. it would only result in them going outside of their niche to grief semi aquatics
like an allo diving after a minmi or rexes jumping into a lake to try and tussle with big alligator
cerulean raft
ye not big dinos diving, but smaller, more agile ones
paper oriole
they should probably not be encouraged to do that unless they are supposed to be some specific jack-of-all-trades dinos
sure if they're dragged under they should be able to swim back up but most of the roster has no good reason to dive
worn pumice
the semi aquatic types should dive
obviously
but what about sucho?
should it dive or no
paper oriole
Sucho is a wader
So no
At best it could have superior swim stamina but not diving or fast swimming
paper oriole
Bary is even more terrestrial looking than sucho ya
Unless they modify him so much he isnt even a bary anymore (like they did with spino making it terrestrial) then it wouldnt look good at all swimming around and diving
worn pumice
True we don’t want sucho or bary to be just smaller spino
They should have their own niches
We already know spino will dive as dondi said so but how it will is a question
Maybe like a hippo walk
Underwater
paper oriole
I'll love to see how they make spinosaurus rex a good swimmer and make it look good lol, hippo walk could maybe work yeah
paper oriole
Also just noticed that diving suggestion person upvoted themselves so
Obligatory cringe emote
dapper pulsar
holy shit if they redesigned bary to be super aquatic
I would forgive every decision they ever made
that would be the funniest shit
paper oriole
Lmao ngl it'd be hilarious to see them ruin spino's potential as a unique aquatic theropod just to make the most terrestrial spinosaurid into an aquatic
urban flax
That's basically devs trolling their community
dapper pulsar
I would have no choice but to respect them.
paper oriole
It would just be so bold and shameless i couldn't even be mad
dapper pulsar
It'd also help with the "All 3 spinosaurids are just Bary at different sizes" issue.
urban flax
The only bolder thing they could do would be to replace rex with tarbo
dapper pulsar
then it'd just be 2 of them, which isn't fair
paper oriole
It would help but it would also be basically swapping the niches of spino and bary lol
paper oriole
Like putting a cat and an otter into a game and giving the otter longer legs to hunt on land while making tje cat aquatic
dapper pulsar
Or like making a tiger a thin speedy bitch and making your cheetah a hulking beast
urban flax
Well that's basically what they did with Utah already
paper oriole
Pretty much, like both animals individually have both niches you want but you swap them for god knows what reason
dapper pulsar
Wait who did they make the hulking beast?
urban flax
Dondi : My goals are beyond your understanding
dapper pulsar
oh also bringing this thing back
paper oriole
Now im eager to see bary concept because i wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they make him a swimmer
urban flax
They said they were going to post it soon, right ?
dapper pulsar
Yeah, in the dev blog/post whatever they call it Tapwing was listed as working on it
Actually, it'd be funny either way
Since in one hand, they reverse the functionality of 2 dinos, on the other, none of the spinosaurids seem to be truly semi-aquatic.
wait is that how you use the hand phrase
no it's not
coin
on one side of the coin
urban flax
I wish spino was a semiaquatic 😦
dapper pulsar
I mean, it might be a fun challenge to try and come up with a niche for it now
Ya remove it's one defining thing as an apex and now you just have the one with the sail and fucky jaw
*funky
I'm not editing that one out.
urban flax
and big tail
paper oriole
it still disappoints me that we already had at least 2 other terrestrial carnivorous apexes and they went and made spino terrestrially adapted too
urban flax
Well, as long as it's still able to thrive in water it's okay
paper oriole
yeah tho now it'll look pretty mediocre doing it
dapper pulsar
I mean, I can see where they're coming from. The land needs more diversity since the water's already hogging it with Deino. It'd be stupid 2 have to semi-aquatic apexs.
urban flax
irl spino is aquatic, we can hope they made it into terrestrial+aquatic instead of just terrestrial
paper oriole
seems like they plan on making it ok on land and above average in water instead of a true semi aquatic apex
dapper pulsar
Wanna know what else is that
Cerato
Don't have anything to say about that
just kinda wanted to.
Actually ya know what
statement
paper oriole
at least cerato seems like it'll still be good on land and just use water as a means of escape
dapper pulsar
It seems like it's a semi-aquatic in the way Cerato is a semi-aquatic
You might be saying "not", which is correct, but faster swim speed.
urban flax
I hope spino will still be better in water than cerato
I mean, it's a fisher after all
dapper pulsar
Hopefully.
paper oriole
basicaly, like how is spino's fat long legged ass supposed to catch fish or semi aquatic prey in the water? just seems like he can go in the water just because
urban flax
And it's supposed to beat the shit out of deinos
dapper pulsar
They could've been brothers
One too low to the ground to do anything and the other kinda weak. They'd be at peace.
It'd be such a cool sight too
urban flax
Well in fact Spino and Deino won't compete
dapper pulsar
Just going to a massive water way and seeing a few spinos and a bunch of younger deinos, maybe an adult here and there. Throw in some smaller crocs and then the younger deinos won't even need to be there for the effect
urban flax
Spino is supposed to catch things in water, and Deino catches things on land
I see spino as a rather passive animal actually
paper oriole
will also be interested to see how they make spino look good fishing with his fat ass face
urban flax
Well not so much for Isle Spino
paper oriole
maybe arms i guess
dapper pulsar
urban flax
Well, as long as it can open and close its jaw, it can be fishing and not look stupid
paper oriole
lmao
dapper pulsar
I see spino as a rather passive animal actually
Yeah IRL spino seems kinda like the mellow type. I wouldn't wanna go near it, and I would be threatened by it's presence, but I probably wouldn't be in much actual danger
How do y'all feel about smaller croc AI?
paper oriole
well i mean it'd a big chunky bastard, and its long narrow face that it had irl for nabbing fish is gone so it'll almost be as ridiculous as seeing an alberto or something fishing
they made his face kinda fat
and shorter looking than a fisher usually is, though that might just be in part because they put his eye in the wrong socket
dapper pulsar
It makes Deino more impressive, and allows for this to happen with less child murder!
Wow looking at this really helps sink in how unapologetically similar Utahs are to that one design no one else uses ever
move the wrists a bit and this could be written off as one of those drawings people do to represent scenes from the books
Anyhow maybe baby spine has fishing face, since it can rely on it for food
It's face does get wider at the top, maybe they've thought anything- this out!
They haven't but maybe.
left nacelle
@barren zephyr https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/803859994927431680/pachyrhino_eventually.png
Also just an fyi, you're supposed to give reasons as to why an animal should be added, instead of just saying "Add this animal cause it looks cool"
noble pine
I see spino as a rather passive animal actually
Spino is an aggressive defensive animal, it’s still going to catch fish as a primary food source, but it’s not incapable of taking down a herbivore or smaller carnivore with ease if it catch them.
fervent fable
@barren zephyr deino has to use the water for swimming
wintry monolith
It looks cursed without its fin tail
visual robin
huh
tired wagon
@wintry monolith
urban flax
@grizzled halo
Wong channel for asking this
But this is the right channel to give ideas to the devs, it is the one they are the most likely to read and yes, they are the actual developers of the game
And if they don't read, the QA team might do it and bring it up to them
grizzled halo
ok thanks
I was thinking of another game mode called king of Kaiju so basically this does require like a rank up system to unlock bigger better kaiju think of like a Godzilla fight then think of one with 100+ kaiju running around ranking up will also unlock abilities and different attacks that you can equip on a kaiju higher ranked kaiju can do a lot more and equip more abilities this is my idea feel free to use it
wintry monolith
Speaking of cursed
I meant tail fin
And its not cursed it's simply beyond your pesant like sense of humor
urban flax
I was thinking of another game mode called king of Kaiju so basically this does ...
Uh... you do know this is a humans vs dinosaurs survival horror game, right ?
odd sedge
Okay, I know the function for letting Troodon mimic humans in need for help is supposed to trick humans into approaching their death.
But I'd imagine it super hilarious, if a Troodon walked up to you and said eëaärgh!
left nacelle
I didn't even think about luring humans lol. It would also lure dinos since humans will be super weak without weaponry, so a hurt one is a free meal
odd sedge
Exactly.
Imagine thinking you are getting an easy meal but instead get mauled by a bunch of Troodons, screaming like humans
left nacelle
The troodons are even designed to look like humans from a distance, so it would make sense for them to have a human mimic
odd sedge
The perfect dinosaur for everyone who likes to trick or troll people
wintry monolith
Okay, I know the function for letting Troodon mimic humans in need for help is s...
Mabey by making it sound like s juvi or hatch so human thinks it ez pray
pure fulcrum
is the titanoboa still coming to the game?
hybrid matrix
yes
pure fulcrum
nice
icy lion
we dont know if titano is coming, its been greenlit but not hard confirmed
lapis tree
@broken thorn Carno’s charge does have a cool down and a time limit
lapis tree
Yeah
odd sedge
Mabey by making it sound like s juvi or hatch so human thinks it ez pray
Would be the same effect with a human noise
left nacelle
Mabey by making it sound like s juvi or hatch so human thinks it ez pray
Humans aren't gonna be hunting dinos anyway. Devs have said that dino meat isn't good for humans
urban flax
Except for tribals
proud coral
I still hope Mercs can eat plants and fish though.
urban flax
Well probably
left nacelle
iirc, tribals technically aren't "humans." And idk what mercs would eat if they couldn't eat fish and plants
If they can eat fish tho, I hope we get spearfishing
proud coral
It'd be neat if they could use a net on a small boat and they ended up catching a Deino 
civic sparrow
If mercs do get boats I hope deinos can tip them
glad dirge
^ that would be amazing
hybrid matrix
deinos and other semi aquatics
civic sparrow
Beipi tipping boats 
paper oriole
Juvie beipis in swarms ramming boats to sink them like those leeches in series of unfortunate events
civic sparrow
paper oriole
Merc gets ripped apart by 20 baby beipis
civic sparrow
We stan
dapper pulsar
Beipi just starts poking holes.
glad dirge
@zenith onyx I like how spino sail grows in with the juvi, Im not sure how I feel about a juvi spoon with a chunk of flesh jelly just flopping around on its back
left nacelle
Yeah it doesn't make much sense for the sail to be floppy when it's young anyway. Just cause it's young doesn't mean its bones are rubber
And juvy spino doesn't even have a sail anyway lol
@stuck orbit The update 3 beta will mainly be focused around fixing desync and disconnect. The reason you never hear anyone talk about it is because the devs constantly mention that they're working on fixing it
barren zephyr
iirc, tribals technically aren't "humans." And idk what mercs would eat if they ...
yes, tribals will have a more monstrous appearance
like a ruined lab creation
at least, that was the original idea for tribals
left nacelle
Yeah that's still the current plan. If it wasn't, we would know, since they're important to the lore iirc
barren zephyr
honestly having Tribals as just pure humans wouldn't be great
they'd be gunless mercs
left nacelle
Yeah. The monstrous tribals are really unique
glad dirge
I'm actually quite excited for trials, like imagine getting swarmed by a group of them in the middle of the night
left nacelle
Tribals are like 7 feet tall too iirc
barren zephyr
I do believe the concept art looked similar to Sloth from the goonies, which seemed pretty cool
barren zephyr
there it is
left nacelle
I hope they make orc-like noises. Grunting and growling lol
stuck orbit
<@!339134135186620417> The update 3 beta will mainly be focused around fixing de...
no I don´t. No real mention about it in the dev-blog either. That was my point to begin with
left nacelle
no I don´t. No real mention about it in the dev-blog either. That was my point t...
There was mention of it in the January devblog
And actually I just looked and there is a mention of it in the February one too. Filipe mentioned that the beta branch will be opened for stressed tests and to fixed the disconnection issue
still raptor
iirc, tribals technically aren't "humans." And idk what mercs would eat if they ...
Mercs would probably eat something like a mre and tribals are humanoid freaks of fucking nature :)
dapper pulsar
They are just trolls.
still raptor
Capta, a beta for Update 3 is releasing soon and they’ll use the data from the official servers to fix desync and the dc issue.
languid arrow
Do the devs even read the feedback channel?
paper oriole
Carnivore tracking isn't really hard and confusing really. Worst part is the prints of you and your group being the same colour as everybody else's which should be changed of course. Having to hold q isnt hard and works fine for preds who arent specialized trackers
It is annoying af when your own prints blend in so well with your target's though
hybrid matrix
if u take damage, u get a bloody screen
hybrid matrix
Do the devs even read the feedback channel?
dude if u get hit u get blood on ur screen
wut else do u need for a hit indicator
languid arrow
dude if u get hit u get blood on ur screen
wut else do u need for a hit indicato...
No, the thing is, it doesn’t indicate a hit directly or recognizably. That’s like playing a shooter where only your health bar would decrease with hits and that would get people killed really easily. In combat its important to have constant feedback to know how often you have been hit and to adjust to it. Do you play any fighting games or fps games?
hybrid matrix
yes i play EDF 5 and PC:E
in both games all you have is a health bar and it goes down every time u get hit
it doesnt get u killed rlly easy bc u can see when u need to back off and heal
and legacy did this just fine by having bloody screens and pain sounds
left nacelle
Do the devs even read the feedback channel?
The devs do read the feedback channel, and quite often iirc. But just because something has a lot of good reactions doesn't mean it'll be added, since it's a feedback/suggestions channel, not a voting channel
paper oriole
not a fan of cutting off players' rendering distances at different leves, peripheral and binocular could work for nightvision though or abilities on a few dinos
like a few specialized preds being able to zoom in somewhat, nothing tht cuts off render distance or blurs shit though lmao
left nacelle
Feel like that would make your fov look really wonky too
And playing with a bad fov is very not fun
paper oriole
yea peripheral vision would be weird af to implement
just stick with carnis having a longer frontal cone for nv and herbis having a sphere and its fine
and a few carnis being able to zoom in on what is already rendered
left nacelle
Also what they called "binocular vision" isn't binocular vision iirc, if it was there wouldn't be the green bit in the middle lol
barren zephyr
@zenith onyx they are already planning on adding caves
glad dirge
I dont want my vision limited in any way (of general eyesight), just like with that idea of sortve blurred view after a certain distance. I just think it would be super annoying and not in any way enjoyable
paper oriole
Especially since so many herbis are slower than their predators already so artificially lowering their render distance would just make shit even more annoying to avoid. and only seeing in a straight line in front of you with everything else blurred sounds unbearable to play with
icy lion
@paper jasper what do you mean?
dinosaurs are saved per server and dont transfer, if thats what youre asking
paper jasper
I’m asking since I safe logged in one can I join another server without it messing up
icy lion
yup, each server has its own information. theres no crossover between them
paper jasper
Okay thanks
languid arrow
yes i play EDF 5 and PC:E
in both games all you have is a health bar and it goes...
I just took a look at the games you mentioned and edf especially has a very clear healthbar and no on hit effects although I think that can be contributed to by the fact the screen shakes uncontrollably anyway in the video I saw about it. For PC, I actually find it really bothersome to see people attacking eachother with no indication of doing damage or taking damage. For the last part I’d like to mention that the isle doesn’t have a health bar. I just think an additional on hit effect for dealing and recieving damage would make the game more responsive.
thorny crag
Iguanodon would be my fav playable... I just wait for modders to add it tho
pale hazel
@thorny crag same we need to push the devs to reconsidered the iggy and say why it can be a good dino for the isle
thorny crag
nyah there are enough dinops planned, igu would be a great addition but devs are already so busy, I'd recommend pushing that later on when most planned dinos are already done
noble pine
While I agree, if they wanted Utah to have proper wrists they would’ve added it on release
fervent fable
I know but we can still discuss and suggest what we think looks better in our opinion, if they stick with JP wrist utah that's ok, but I'd still like to post my opinion of it, saying it looks far more appealing than the classic raptor look
thorny crag
imo utah looks fine but ye, other ppl have different opinions ❤️
hybrid matrix
wdym?! u aint ever heard of the mighty Utharaptor?
odd sedge
Well I mean it's not accurate
barren zephyr
It looks naked, anorexic and it suffers jp broken wrist syndrome at least to me
odd sedge
That's true.
Someone shaved all it's feathers off too
vast wolf
color choice and leg length are all i see for super similarities.
ours has a bulkier and longer neck with larger arms a rectangular sail and a thicker tail
if our spino was not monsterfied it would look like the 2014 spino a lot more.
wintry monolith
Humans aren't gonna be hunting dinos anyway. Devs have said that dino meat isn't...
well then like a human and some raptors like the human is getting hunted by one
vast wolf
humans will probably be able to fight off dinosaurs if they get a firearm and have ammo. tribals are a different story. things going to be jumping on small animals and eating them.
barren zephyr
Mostly the sail
Although it may be a bit rectangular to me it looks extremely tiny
Not tiny but quite small
tepid gate
While I far preferred the concept-art Spinosaurus to the model, I have to say in its defense that the 3/4 perspective does it quite a bit of disservice.
barren zephyr
I wish they gave it a bigger sail like in the concept, not saying I dont like the current model it actually looks pretty cool.
But whenever I look at it, it reminds me of the jp3 spino
odd sedge
What's wenig with people wanting to only press buttons once?
I get it with sniffing, because it can get annoying but with eating and drinking? I don't get that at all
broken thorn
Im pretty sure as soon as a group of Tribals makes a campground on a server, the first dino that spots them makes sure to tell everyone and 16 carnos come and eat them.
odd sedge
Probably
hybrid matrix
a combination of every legacy map would be pretty cool as one of the evrima maps
like it could have landmarks, areas, etc, but most of it would be new since not every map was an island
left nacelle
Some maps didn't have any unique landmarks tho so it would hard to have every map and have them be recognizable
Especially the real old ones, like Isle Mesa
zinc anvil
putting all the old maps together would be bad i'd rather have something brand new and good (i think the current map is trash btw) but its still very early on with the current map so we will see what becomes of it.
left nacelle
I like the new map, I think it just needs more landmarks and more variety.And I wouldn't mind getting a huge lake like the reservoir on Thenyaw (I'm pretty sure it was Thenyaw)
I especially like the open grassland areas we have right now, gives me the feeling of openness that region 2 used to have
hybrid matrix
i mean thenyaw, v3 (new v3), and v2 would be a pretty sick combo
especially if spawn lake came back
left nacelle
I hope we get spawn lake back. Region 2's spawn lake is iconic in my mind lol
left nacelle
I have old screenshots of me sitting in the grassland by it as a black austro. But they're gone now cause I got a new pc since then 
left nacelle
hybrid matrix
left nacelle
I forgot it got that little waterfall in the middle
Dang the map looks tiny compared to now lol
barren zephyr
That map was fantastic
hybrid matrix
idky they got rid of it
they shouldve kept it and added V3 alongside it
fickle root
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did no one see this
fickle root
they put this on feb 12
fickle root
Reintegrating a version of a fan favorite map inside of Spiro? this was posted in phase 2 the same day
from what i can tell region 2 will be inside of spiro somewhere
wanton root
I'm liken the new Bary look👍
urban flax
yeah, it looks great
fickle root
when is that from
icy lion
just now #phase-two-archive
fickle root
guess i didnt see it because i was looking at other stuff in there
fervent fable
Just confused about what the thing above it's eyes is
Keratin I believe above it’s eyes, like scales
fervent fable
Yeah it’s a crest I believe, wonder how the female will look
barren zephyr
Oh just realized it has lips
left nacelle
idky they got rid of it
they shouldve kept it and added V3 alongside it
iirc it was removed just because it wasn't considered a good map. Everyone likes it, but when you really look at it, there isn't much variety and it's basically all one environment
I remember Dondi saying in the past that he really dislikes region 2
left nacelle
@vestal rune That dent on the back has nothing to do with the spine, since there isn't a dent like that on the spine
vestal rune
makes the dent even worse then
left nacelle
Not really. The dent is probably caused by muscle and/or fat. Looks fine to me
vestal rune
it doesn't look natural at all
left nacelle
Looks perfectly fine to me. I don't see how it doesn't look natural
vestal rune
idk, that combined with how dramatic the gap is between the back and the neck looks kinda of emaciated to me
left nacelle
If an animal has muscle and fat in their body, I wouldn't expect them to have a perfectly flat back. This is also an animal that will be holding its head downwards often for fishing, so it makes sense that there would be a lot of muscle in that spot, since that seems to be where the neck begins
vestal rune
dude this to me looks like the spine being visible through the flesh to me, not like a hump of muscle
it could just be how it's drawn
left nacelle
As you can see here, the neck begins behind where the arms are, so this lump is likely just a lot of muscle that helps with neck support
But that doesn't make sense, since the spine isn't even shaped like that
vestal rune
it's not necessarily gonna be based on the real spine
left nacelle
They do use the skeletons as reference tho
And you can see everything else lines up with the skeleton
vestal rune
I mean I kinda doubt that with the way some of the designs have gone
left nacelle
Pretty sure it's been said in the past that they use skeletons for reference
I don't think we've had any concepts there were completely inaccurate to the skeletons, even if they look a bit odd
vestal rune
alberto and austro come to mind
dapper pulsar
Did they ever say which skeletons they used?
left nacelle
Well austro's different since iirc we don't actually have a complete skeleton
vestal rune
I mean fair enough I guess
but idk the harshness of the dent/hump kinda looks bony to me
left nacelle
I think that's just the art then, a lot of things in the art tend to be a bit sharper than they are in game so it'll probably be less pointy in game
vestal rune
ye I think that's true, maybe the back thing isn't entirelly warranted
left nacelle
Here's a good example, the pointed bit at the bottom of teno's tail looks almost like it would cut you here, but in game it's a bit more rounded out
vestal rune
ye that's true
left nacelle
My only gripe with bary's design tho is how tiny its feet are
vestal rune
oh ye they are tiny aren't they
left nacelle
Yeah, doesn't make much sense for an animal who would be wading and fishing
pale schooner
Yet if they were a size bigger people would raise hell
torn thistle
left nacelle
Yeah I realize the feet are accurate now, I still need to adjust to it tho lol
torn thistle
@neat stump That's better asked in #401464048610312195. But Giga v2 will probably start off as an AI predator
left nacelle
steep swallow
It's fine, it just.. looks a bit unnatural
I mean if it had long and overgrown claws as an elder that would be great
but just a normal adult it looks like too much
left nacelle
It'll probably look more natural once we know what its niche is
steep swallow
Eh, maybe
barren zephyr
and once we get a model
steep swallow
its just that so far it seems like they feel the need to have every fish eater have absolutely huge claws
left nacelle
Plus, theri has claws that are literally 3 feet long. Even if it's accurate, you can't really say it looks unnatural when that's a thing
steep swallow
other than that, the model is pretty nice looking
paper oriole
Small hands bary <<< backscratcher bary
barren zephyr
It's fine, it just.. looks a bit unnatural
honestly, if this stays for the look of the normal adult
I only wonder how long their claws would be if they became an elder
thorny lynx
Finally said it. I am disgusted with concave bellies.
junior crow
@mellow seal I love your redesign dude
mellow seal
aoo thanks 
strange wave
@zenith onyx why do you think every pseudo mid needs to look like an ark dinosaur?
strange wave
"add spikes everywhere because it needs to look less like something 4x its size"
junior crow
I don't think giving the bary bigger scales similar to the legacy version is a bad thing
zenith onyx
so now your just making fun of my idea
strange wave
yes i am
strange wave
because, iirc dondi said to simplify the bary concept from what it was before, so...
junior crow
bork don't you think your being a bit rude?
zenith onyx
and tbh bork, dondi wants everything in the isle to be fictionalized
look like dragons rather then dinos
junior crow
just saying they want abit more scales on the bary design doesn't seem like such a bad thing
zenith onyx
Hypos screams in my face as dragon like
strange wave
yes, the guy that said to make bary more realistic wants everything to be a dragon
all the recent designs are looking less and less like movie monsters, and more like real animals, but, ig, all dragons now because dondi
zenith onyx
so what's the big deal with adding spikes to bary? I liked the old bary model, because it had the spikes
it looked tough {even though it wasn't}
And even if its not tough in evrima, it can still look cool
And look again at my suggestion, i added some things to it if you are just going to attack me for it looking too much ark like
strange wave
look at its claws, look at how fucking terrifying those looks, im willing to bet those are some of the only holdovers from the older bary design before it was simplified, imagine the entire animal having that level of crazy, wouldnt that be more of a dragon than any of the other recent concepts?
zenith onyx
okay, i never said anything about it looking like a freakin dragon
strange wave
zenith onyx
but they've had plently of models already that have lots of smooth scales
they need to spice it up slightly
strange wave
zenith onyx
bork I said its SHOULDN'T look like dragon, i was talking about bary
and when i said looks like dragons, i meant most of the concept ideas for the ELDERS and the HYPOS
And @strange wave, if you have a better look for bary, then post it. I'm open to ideas. remember last time about the para? I liked your suggestion better then my own even, so if you think you have a better bary model, show it to me.
torn thistle
The way I see it, animals should at least be close to their accurate skeletal proportions, but go a bit gnarly and wild with the rest of the designs, and Elders cranking up the gnarlyness. To me it just feels Bary currently looks a bit too bland than it could look. The old Bary body details were a little wonky, but they stood out.
In some cases, being a bit more bland is fine, like with Tenonto and Allo (even though I'd like to see Fred's Allo be the base design). But there's also a lot of critters that have updated models, but don't really fit with... whatever art style Kissen seems to want. There's too much of a style clash with either accurate designs (Allo, Carno, etc.), designed based straight off animals (Hypsi Bird of Paradise), or far from accuracy (Alberto, Austro, etc.)
strange wave
this is my favourite version of it
zenith onyx
its got no flare to it. besides the wicked claws
warm flame
ah that's the normal bary, I see what ya did there
junior crow
The way I see it, animals should at least be close to their accurate skeletal pr...
this
strange wave
no, it doesnt
warm flame
oh
strange wave
thats literally the one in phase two
warm flame
well I couldn't tell because I was checking back and fourth
junior crow
I like touch's version the most: #general-feedback message
warm flame
it has some weird looking parts, I would name the specific part but idk the name of skeleton pieces
aka bones
warm flame
kinda hard to compare those 2 based on those images but go on
i think legacy bary is fine
though a bit raisiny
zenith onyx
the only flare that the bary from legacy had was the coloring on the male, and a few very small spikes on its neck
the Evrima version only has its crazy claws
warm flame
not everything needs flare, think about sucho for example
all it is is just succ
though bary does look too close to sucho
zenith onyx
yes sucho doesn't need flare, but bary is much weaker, so what the point playing if it looks like sucho and is weaker
warm flame
growth time, speed, preference
lilac swallow
I could say the same with Utah and carno, why play Utah, is smaller and slower
zenith onyx
Unless it has flare, to catch peoples attention, there's almost no reason to play it
zenith onyx
well utah is fun to play because its looks differen't. it sounds differen't. it feels differen't
lilac swallow
I can continue but you get the point
warm flame
Diablo?
I hope you realize that trike takes twice as long to grow as dibble
and is better in some ways
zenith onyx
Bary looks like sucho to me. atleast right now. the evrima models
strange wave
I hope you realize that trike takes twice as long to grow as dibble
and is bette...
thats the point
lilac swallow
I hope you realize that trike takes twice as long to grow as dibble
and is bette...
I'm ridiculizing their point, I obviously know it
zenith onyx
then its boring
strange wave
Bary looks like sucho to me. atleast right now. the evrima models
who coulda guess two really closely related animals would look similar
mellow maple
They are sister taxon
zenith onyx
why have sucho and bary look so similar that both look bland
lilac swallow
Last time I checked you aren't forced to play bary
strange wave
oh rick, you're back
zenith onyx
im just saying add some spikes
strange wave
why though?
lilac swallow
Bary is much faster smaller and better fight oriented with those claws, sucho is bulkier and more fisher exclusive
brave rampart
Bary is much faster smaller and better fight oriented with those claws, sucho is...
Bary, aka the jaguar
Sucho
Aka
The grizzly bear
lilac swallow
Pretty much
strange wave
sucho is a bulky brute, the inbetween of bary and spino, where spino is heavy and unwieldy on land, and bary looks agile, at least more than the other spinosaurids, sucho is large, looks heavy physically, yet still has similar proportions to bary
zenith onyx
why couldn't bary have spikes?
brave rampart
Why should it
lilac swallow
Why woul?
zenith onyx
for appearances
brave rampart
That's also like saying why shouldnt sucho have spikes
strange wave
to appease what, 4 people?
zenith onyx
why does the hypo spino have warthog tusks?
brave rampart
It's a fucking hypo man
strange wave
i think after the fucking abominations of jwfk, people dont want anything to do with any form of flashy baryonyx
zenith onyx
so?
lilac swallow
It's almost like people that actually care about bary can easily tell the difference between bary and sucho without spikes
warm flame
maybe scutes would be better than spikes, make more sense too considering it's smaller
zenith onyx
scutes?
strange wave
he wants magy to have spikes as well
zenith onyx
oh like the shoulder spikes?
bork i suggested that idea for a defense mechanism for magy
warm flame
scutes is fine, spikes is a bit far
zenith onyx
look when i said spikes, i didn't mean stuff that would stand ridiculously tall off the bary's neck
short spikes
stuff that's barely noticable
but noticable enough to give bary some flare
lilac swallow
Spikes is returning to what many hated about the last concepts
strange wave
bork i suggested that idea for a defense mechanism for magy
why does it need them? it already has cc, probably some form of fracture if it uses its weight, half decent speed, probably amazing stamina if nova gets his way, and some minor bleed due to the already existing shoulder scutes
brave rampart
I mean
zenith onyx
look, i don't give a crap about it not needing them. what's the point in creating a model that looks almost exactly like another model. the only thing that is changed with bary is its hooked claws, and slightly smaller looking model then sucho.
brave rampart
How does it look almost exactly like the other model that probably might get a redesign
Tell me
brave rampart
Which we dont know if it's getting a redesign or not
strange wave
sister taxa looking similar, who would have fucking guessed
brave rampart
You mean this sucho
barren zephyr
Sucho model looks fine to me, I don't believe it needs a remodel
brave rampart
Let's see if they look almost exactly the same
zenith onyx
i never said sucho needs a remodel
lilac swallow
No offense but you have really bad sight if you think they look the same except for claws
barren zephyr
I understand
I'm just giving my opinion on it, not really related to the conversation
fickle root
sucho is not even that old one of the newer models
brave rampart
Notice how bary is thinner than sucho
barren zephyr
I wish they made rex a bit thiccer
lilac swallow
Also it's half the size
brave rampart
And sucho has a fuckin pelican throat
barren zephyr
and it's back is a lot more lifted
zenith onyx
legendary don't talk about bad eyesite. I've already got it bad enough with being colorblind. And sucho are bary are related, they look the same model wise. sucho is only slightly thicker looking
lilac swallow
Sucho also have rounder back
barren zephyr
zenith onyx
im saying though taht it doesn't have to look similar, with skin customization
mellow maple
Suchomimus has a larger spine
lilac swallow
Idc about you being colorblind, is not relevant nor something I knew before
barren zephyr
mellow maple
also there's something some of y'all are forgetting that differentiates animals in the game
barren zephyr
Bary is quite small compared to Sucho now that I look at it 🤔
mellow maple
Sounds and color
barren zephyr
^
zenith onyx
sounds and color yes, model, no
brave rampart
Oh ye
I wonder what skin Bary should have
worn pumice
also sucho is a pretty big size compared to bary so theres that
strange wave
Suchomimus has a larger spine
and a pelican pouch, in terms of the isle model
barren zephyr
Wow sucho was huge what
mellow maple
We could use the same logic to Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus. Sure they are distinct when look at the specific anatomy but their role is nearly identical. Large theropod. How can you tell them apart from afar??
Sounds.
barren zephyr
Bigger than an Allo
worn pumice
sucho is big
zenith onyx
okay you see the model that @flat ridge just posted
barren zephyr
Yeah Sucho is huge, jesus
zenith onyx
that's what i mean by spikes
lilac swallow
You know what? Forget it, you chose to get offended over actually getting my point, I'm leaving
worn pumice
the sizes in legacy r trash
acro being bigger then a giga and a rex
sucho is a midget too
thankfully the sizes seem to be much better in evirma
hopefully that trend continues
strange wave
@mellow maple could the keratin sheathes on bary's claws feasibly get to a length like in the concept?
mellow maple
It's very exaggerated in the concept. Very unlikely.
strange wave
but not impossible, yes?
flat ridge
bary is just so plain, it just looks like sucho
icy lion
those claws almost look like theyd break but it certainly has an "Isle" look to them
flat ridge
i thought leopard niche bary was cool as fuck, i like that it looks "tanky" i guess
mellow maple
Unsure. They need more thiccness to them IMO for them to reach that long and probably way bigger arms to compensate.
strange wave
bary is just so plain, it just looks like sucho
minus the claws, and crest, and lack of spine, and lack of pelican pouch, and coloration probably, and size, and sounds
fickle root
kind of has a hypo look to them
mellow maple
The claws are a good stylization, frankly I was gonna be disappointed if it didn't have exaggerated claws
flat ridge
you probably couldn't tell the difference though, it's just a skinnier sucho
mellow maple
but could be better
blazing charm
@mellow seal Mind if I borrow your edit? I'll be sure to credit you.
worn pumice
honestly u cant rly judge the bary concept art and the sucho model to each other
bary doesnt have a model yet
let alone textures
flat ridge
i think it just isn't exciting at all
strange wave
you probably couldn't tell the difference though, it's just a skinnier sucho
sucho is twice as tall
flat ridge
yes but still
worn pumice
sucho is massive compared to bary
brave rampart
Dont worry. I'm about to type a massive essay explaining how it ain't looking like Sucho at all
barren zephyr
@thorny lynx I have a question about your post, I'm not very educated on dinosaur gastralia curving and your post is a little hard to understand for me. Do you mean it should be smooth like this? My english is a bit bad, excuse me if I got something wrong here.
mellow seal
<@!219606398688821248> Mind if I borrow your edit? I'll be sure to credit you.
yeah go ahead
worn pumice
acro is just heavier
flat ridge
i still think leopard niche is cooler and this is my opinion
blazing charm
Thanks chief.
barren zephyr
Sucho is a little smaller than Spinosaurus, if the Spinosaurus is on all 4's I believe
barren zephyr
<@!132698389090402304> I have a question about your post, I'm not very educated ...
yes, that is what Ult Fluff is going for
strange wave
Sucho is a little smaller than Spinosaurus, if the Spinosaurus is on all 4's I b...
spino isnt on all fours, spino is a kaiju
strange wave
isle for me
worn pumice
spino in the isle
barren zephyr
Ah gotcha
zenith onyx
this discussion is boring
mellow maple
GET IT AWAAAY
barren zephyr
Spino in the isle is a big boy
worn pumice
its coming
flat ridge
cant wait for spino to be a playable
strange wave
GET IT AWAAAY
oh? we doing this again
mellow maple
I will forever do this
worn pumice
honestly i dont have too many problems with the model of spino just wish its tail was slightly thicker and its sail was bigger
barren zephyr
^^^
mellow maple
Isle Spino is the second worst design and you cannot change my mind
barren zephyr
Me too
mellow maple
but I cannot change urs if you think its good
strange wave
I will forever do this
forever ends now
fickle root
isle spino looks so much better than other games
worn pumice
Isle Spino is the second worst design and you cannot change my mind
wait whats the
first
flat ridge
i love the new isle spino, it gives me a heavy isle vibe
barren zephyr
Spino looks pretty decent in my opinion, but the spino reminds me of JP3 and it makes me want to cry
barren zephyr
I hate the JP3 spino with a passion
worn pumice
mellow maple
wait whats the
*first*
Utah
barren zephyr
I want my aquatic spino :(
strange wave
worn pumice
utah?
mellow maple
you can guess what kind of person I am
worn pumice
interesting
barren zephyr
semi aquatic *
mellow maple
Did u mean
barren zephyr
N O
mellow maple
the end
strange wave
wait wheat, are you saying that anky is more accurate than utah?
fickle root
didnt a recent study show that spino did walk on 2 legs
barren zephyr
Isle utah is anorexic, naked, and suffers from JP broken wrist syndrome
worn pumice
the spino images just get better
strange wave
didnt a recent study show that spino did walk on 2 legs
if by recent you mean like 2015, sure
mellow maple
i mean
worn pumice
lol
strange wave
i like this one
fickle root
i thought there was a more recent one
flat ridge
i think the new isle utah is honestly bad, i dont like that its a jp copy, i really liked the older utah from 2016 (??) or so
mellow maple
ah yes it just
barren zephyr
Oh dear jesus christ what is this
strange wave
i thought there was a more recent one
quad spino was 2014, a year later it was shot out back like old yeller
barren zephyr
This is taking years to upload oh no
worn pumice
wait what does the most accurate version of spino look like right now?
mellow maple
we don't know
worn pumice
mellow maple
I thought it was biped
barren zephyr
mellow maple
but then someone came along and enlightened quad spino to me again
so we're back at square one on that
worn pumice
seems legit
mellow maple
I give up. Spino's weird
worn pumice
oh yea quad spino is dismantled
fickle root
i thought i seen something about spino walking on 2 legs in the last year or 2
icy lion
do we even have spinos arms? i thought the only skeleton with full arms was destroyed in ww2
worn pumice
its a bi-ped
mellow maple
Nope
Spino's arms are filled in from closely related taxa
like bary and sucho
there is a finger and a claw bone
worn pumice
so in conclusion its a bigger sucho with a sail
mellow maple
and the claw is flat rather than hook-like bary.
barren zephyr
You'll easily be able to tell Bary and Sucho apart in game, devs aren't stupid
flat ridge
still looks like sucho without a back spine and fat guy neck
icy lion
thats because..... theyre closely related....
brave rampart
Finally finished the feedback
flat ridge
no shit all spinosaurids look the same besides some differences
brave rampart
Yeah so why complain about it being similar to sucho lol
barren zephyr
Finally finished the feedback
Good feedback, enjoyed reading that
icy lion
what
fickle root
never mind the 2020 spino is the one with the tadpole tail
barren zephyr
Bary is notably smaller than Sucho
flat ridge
yes
brave rampart
Good feedback, enjoyed reading that
Lol thank you
dreamy wharf
@brave rampart Are you clarifying the comparison between Sucho and Bary or are you saying Bary looks like Sucho?
I don't mean this in any passive aggressive way, it's just my smooth brain can't process what you meant.
brave rampart
It's mainly for explaining the differences of Bary and sucho
Some aspects are alike, but that's what happens when you add two creatures of the same family lol
dreamy wharf
Oh thank you!
worn pumice
agreed on that
dapper pulsar
While complaining about the spinosaurs being the same animal at different sizes is fun, it's pointless. They were selected during progression to literally be the same concept at different intensities so of course they're gonna be similar.
tender latch
Hey uh Jaffad you should make that two separate messages so people can individually react to each thing
blazing charm
As in, each point?
tender latch
Each uh you know thingy
blazing charm
Or the points and the TLDR?
tender latch
The ✅ ❌ things
dapper pulsar
I just think those are to clarify what thoughts are positive or negative.
blazing charm
Honestly, I'd rather not bury newer posts by reposting it as multiple messages.
And yeah, that was just to convey my general opinion on a certain feature of the design.
tender latch
Yeah plus most people like myself would probably have both the same opinions on each one
barren zephyr
@zenith onyx That skin would fit it so goddamn well
thorny lynx
<@!132698389090402304> I have a question about your post, I'm not very educated ...
The gastralia are the belly bones that look like rib bones that range from the chest to the pubic bone.
They should either diagonally trail down or curve in a half-circle towards the pubic bone, not curve upwards into it.
barren zephyr
Oh it's that set of bones below the ribcage, I see what you're saying
thorny lynx
most depictions of our dinos have the gastralia curving upwards near the end like this
or this
when it should be like this
barren zephyr
And such is present in the bary concept, correct?
thorny lynx
Yes.
barren zephyr
I understand now
thorny lynx
@dusty cipher that Bary is pinch emojiiiii
dusty cipher
Thanks 
thorny lynx
Am I the only one who feels the concept bary has its crest too low on its head? It should be just forward of its eyes.
dusty cipher
It's definitely lower than it should be, but it doesn't bother me too much
thorny lynx
I just really wish Tapwing and Fred would use the skeletal proportions as a base, and then add the thicker neck, the chonk, the fine details, etc.
Proportions have been a real issue with these concepts. The concepts are decent, and the artwork quality is astounding, but the proportions feel off.
and that poor bary has a broken spine like juvie giga did
junior crow
@dusty cipher That's spot on what I wanted changed on the concept art!
dusty cipher
Yeah, when I do these edits I just try to fix the issues that most people seem to have with em
barren zephyr
I might do an edit of my own with the Bary, is it alright if I use yours as sort of a reference Terra?
tall creek
yo, am I the only one who think bary arm connections are kinda off? they look like human shoulders, its a bit unsettling, dunno
mellow maple
So the arms on that skeletal are apparently too far up lol btw
But the concept very much is close to the skeletal and bary in general
also for those against lips. May I present two animals in the game that also have lips
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
EXHIBIT C
junior crow
do people really have an issue with the lips? Other than the fact that it is inconsistent with some of the other models?
mellow maple
There is a prejudice against lips for spinosaurids but baryonychines are the tribe(?) of spinosaurids that have a good case of having oral tissue
blazing charm
It's just a aesthetic thing for me, I don't really carea bout the science.
twin burrow
What they said.
mellow maple
Oh don't get me wrong, I understand why the lips may be offputting for peeps but they actually look really cool for me lmao.
strange wave
@mellow maple giga also seemingly has lips (most of the new carnivores do) so...
barren zephyr
@jade schooner I agree almost completely, excluding the bit about the frontal crests. They are perfectly fine
jade schooner
you mean the ones in front of the eyes?
barren zephyr
yes
jade schooner
They're a little odd looking, if you ask me
barren zephyr
I just really wish Tapwing and Fred would use the skeletal proportions as a base...
gosh I totally agree. you'd think it'd be a no brainer but apparently not
jade schooner
But I mean the little ones in front of each eye. And the ones above them as well