Because the fact it looks weird doesn't mean it's good to make it look even weirder
#general-feedback-discussion
urban flax
We have two terrestrial ankylosaurids planned, one of them was fictionalized to become semiaquatic. We don't need both of them to be water turtles
barren zephyr
It looks weird but it works at the moment, air sacks dont work
dapper pulsar
- Yes it does, they should go all in.
- I never said turtle, don't be racist. Not all aquatic armored things are the same.
- Those are both debatable and I am on the complete other side of each.
urban flax
Why do you even want anky to be semiaquatic ?
I feel like suggesting any random dino to be semiaquatic is a trend these times
barren zephyr
1. Yes it does, they should go all in.
2. I never said turtle, don't be racist....
- whats the point of going all in for it to look ridiculous when we already have a dinosaur with the same niche
- yes it would literally be the same except Anky would have fracture and that's it
- theres no need for it and it looks stupid
the isle community when they can't think of anything creative for a dinosaur:
"uh uh uh, SEMI AQUATIC"
barren zephyr
semi aquatic anky?
yes lmao
barren zephyr
semi aquatic anky pls no
they already have a niche and good dino ready, they wont do semi if they're smart
urban flax
the isle community when they can't think of anything creative for a dinosaur:
"u...
If it's not viable on land, then put it in water and see what happens. Pure logic.
I HAVE AN IDEA
Semiaquatic Tarbo 
worn pumice
semi aquatic stego wen
barren zephyr
If it's not viable on land, then put it in water and see what happens. Pure logi...
dont give the devs ideas, please dont
worn pumice
actually if you just make everything semi aquatic then that works too
urban flax
Semiaquatic spino
Nah that would look dumb
worn pumice
mosas being aquatic is weird
dapper pulsar
Is it? I feel like it's really only for like Magy.
- One's stronger and slower, that makes it different enough.
- No. Minmi can dive and has actual mobility, Anky would be a pool floatie that can kill rexes.
- Neither of those have stopped animals in the past.
I prefer to give anything that isn't viable the ability to climb, but Anky can't do that at all.
barren zephyr
i cant believe this is even a conversation rn
me neither but herbivores not being able to be in herds together was also a conversation so you know
islecord is all I have to say
worn pumice
smh
dapper pulsar
I can't believe you're all against it despite my sound logic.
urban flax
People suggested the semiaquatic niche for Magy, Para, Maia, Cerato, Cory, and a lot of others I can't remember
worn pumice
i swear i get a disease everytime im here
barren zephyr
I can't believe you're all against it despite my sound logic.
i really hope that's sarcasm
dapper pulsar
I mean Cerato's shown swimming as an escape option, so I can see where they're coming from.
It'll probably just have a fast swim speed, not full on diving 'n shit.
urban flax
tbh I'm not even sure anky should be able to swim
worn pumice
anky, who has bony, thick hided back as armor and a giant tail club is gonna be semi aquatic
dapper pulsar
Read up.
idle ibex
hippos cant swim
cyan flame
Why would anky be semi aquatic?
urban flax
hippos cant swim
Hippos are very good swimmers what do you mean ?
worn pumice
^
dapper pulsar
https://tenor.com/view/twomad-fall-smile-laugh-gif-15044961
what's this supposed to mean?
idle ibex
Hippos are very good swimmers what do you mean ?
as in like, they dont spend most of their time swimming, they are on the bottom of the riverbed
barren zephyr
what's this supposed to mean?
me general reaction to this entire conversation really
worn pumice
im sleep
urban flax
Yeah but that doesn't mean they can't swim
They just stay on the bottom because that's where their food is
worn pumice
anky semi aquatic is something i would like to joke about
dapper pulsar
The fact cerato has been shown swimming tipped you over the edge?
dapper pulsar
Pool floatie Anky.
urban flax
Gotta love playing a literal buoy that can't do shit
dapper pulsar
yeah
urban flax
It's rock simulator
But in water
dapper pulsar
you go into water and hope.
worn pumice
how does it even swing its tail lol
dapper pulsar
hopefully a Bei doesn't pop your floaties
barren zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/punch-blue-hoodie-beat-up-gif-15435775
me when see utah mains suggesting more rocks to hide on
worn pumice
me when see utah mains suggesting more rocks to hide on
fax
idle ibex
honestly utah shouldnt be in the game because why the hell not
worn pumice
delete utah pls
barren zephyr
^^^
urban flax
Honestly Utah should be in the game because we lack any real raptors
dapper pulsar
I mean like
we don't have any tyrannosaurs either
or spinosaurids
or ceratopsids
barren zephyr
Honestly Utah should be in the game because we lack any real raptors
its honestly the only reason that i dont want it thanos snapped from the game
worn pumice
urban flax
For now the only playables we have are tenonto, dryo, stego, carno and a bipedal naked rat
urban flax
probably never :/
worn pumice
F
dapper pulsar
When JW: Dominion makes more than 1 billion dollars
they will release the utah update
urban flax
Well maybe we can hope to get something good-looking once they add feathered variants
worn pumice
that bulky utah concept seemed nice
made it feel unique
utah was bulky in general anyways
dapper pulsar
It is the big boy raptor
barren zephyr
utah was bulky in general anyways
yeah, it does NOT move like something that weighed a literal ton cough jumping 360 cough
worn pumice
lol
dapper pulsar
Bulky utah would be scarrier
dapper pulsar
Since this is a horror game
barren zephyr
it feels more like a dakotaraptor tbh
it feels like an austro with functional bones
worn pumice
honestly yea the model makes it seem so thin
dapper pulsar
That's what they were like in that one very obscure movie that The Isle likes to pay homage to
It's a very subtle reference
idle ibex
thats the best explanation of utah legacy ive ever seen
there is a lack of dead rexes and gigas tho
dapper pulsar
Merc agility tree
barren zephyr
there is a lack of dead rexes and gigas tho
that's the croud in the stands watching the utah that just killed them jump over 23 bites
worn pumice
utahs after assriding the apex
"I dont understand why their salty it was a fair 1v1"
dapper pulsar
As you can see The Isle takes subtle ideas from the series's designs.
barren zephyr
yeah, it does NOT move like something that weighed a literal ton *cough* jumping...
To add more crap on, Utah is an ambush predator
worn pumice
lmao subtle ideas
barren zephyr
Raptors are meant to pull off suprise attacks on unsuspecting prey rather than chase them down over long distances
Hence, pouncing and pretty slow run speed irl.
lofty pagoda
@tall creek all roads were re-done for the next update so that is fixed
worn pumice
^ also rivers are wider and i think theres better river banks in general
dapper pulsar
They even did that in that one obscure series no one knows about except The Isle.
I believe it happened before the line "clever girl" in the first of these unknown gems.
dapper pulsar
Because someone needs to bring attention to the series. Clearly the devs appreciate artistry and wish to share these with the world.
barren zephyr
I know you are being satirical atm.
I'm still sickened by the Jurassic Park designs to some extent, because literally any public depiction of a raptor is that.
dapper pulsar
That's what it's called
Jurassic Park
Thankfully it's only the raptors JP inspired.
odd sedge
I'm still sickened by the Jurassic Park designs to some extent, because literall...
They lack an illegal amount of feathers
dapper pulsar
I mean Ark did something unique
odd sedge
And me dont like
dapper pulsar
They put the feathers on the wrong part of the arm
odd sedge
And me dont like
((The lacking feather part, not the ark part))
barren zephyr
*They put the feathers on the wrong part of the arm*
And got the hands fucking wrong like any other mainstream dinosaur media
dapper pulsar
That's not unique. Correct me if I'm wrong but they invented that style of feathering
barren zephyr
It's not too bloody hard to try and do a decent raptor
You just need to base a lot off modern birds (especially birds of prey)
barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Also I've found some art which is not a Utah, but a wacky speculative Deinonychus
dapper pulsar
lay it on me
barren zephyr
The feathers are accurately placed on the arms, they're just pretty sparse.
Yeah it's kinda cursed-ish
dapper pulsar
mange boy
barren zephyr
Yeah might be a Deinon with mange or some avian analogue, idk
dapper pulsar
It looks scary though
barren zephyr
Yeah probably mites or something
dapper pulsar
since it's attacking healthier looking raptors
like a zombo
They should add mites to game
dapper pulsar
eh maybe
barren zephyr
Guess they might be troodontids
dapper pulsar
bullying the nerd dinos
compact hare
@light carbon pue wont be in evrima
light carbon
thats why im asking to add it
compact hare
They already said they wont
light carbon
not as a playable dino
compact hare
brachi pretty much fills its space
compact hare
It wont be in the game, as AI and Playable, its too big and spending time for an AI with big problems and bugs is not worth time
at least in my opinion
I hope they add atmosphere like you said with brachi
lapis tree
This is why I’m going to miss global chat all the arguments
light carbon
doesn't make sense at all
its not gonna give the same atmosphere if it will be smaller than the pue, and if its the same size then why not JUST add pue?
lapis tree
I think brachi looks better in a tropical environment than pue that’s probably why
compact hare
Pue had a lot of problems with eating and drinking, shaking camera, etc
Brachi wont be as tall as pue but still hella big
lapis tree
Yeah
hybrid matrix
A. pue is TOO big compared to literally everything else (however i will miss pue)
B. pue is much larger than brachi, meaning its much slower
C. the devs said no pue, stop arguing
again
i am a fan of pue
but if the devs said no, we're not getting pue
compact hare
rip
lapis tree
rip may his sacrifice be remembered
compact hare
still think we could get a pue skeleton somewhere in the map
lapis tree
Yeah that would be cool
hybrid matrix
i think the only way we have even the slightest chance of getting pue back is in a recorded video found on a moniter in some random building
lapis tree
Yeah or that
barren zephyr
i want this
lapis tree
Yeah but I doubt the devs would change the Utah design
Or probably then should make the hatchling Utah have feathers
warm flame
i think the only way we have even the slightest chance of getting pue back is in...
or mods
hybrid matrix
or mods
ye
noh whillie
just
noh
@edgy harbor sorry to bother ya but we got a problem in #general-feedback
edgy harbor
How so?
hybrid matrix
the guy posted a suggestion saying "can we get x animal" without providing any details on how it would fit
i thought those werent allowed
edgy harbor
P.S. you can bother me, the busy sign just means I might be slow ish
hybrid matrix
ok
edgy harbor
oh this one?
hybrid matrix
yeah
edgy harbor
Yeah good call
paper geyser
sea dinos 
hybrid matrix
thanks krow
edgy harbor
hybrid matrix
ooh he typin
im excited 
vale pawn
hybrid matrix
vale pawn
vale pawn
yes
hybrid matrix
THAT IDEA
SO FUCKIN GOOD
whillie stopped typing
nvm
whillie been typing for a while now
barren zephyr
thoughts on wooly mammooth?
hybrid matrix
cool for cenozoic version of TI, not this one
barren zephyr
it was joke cause i dont care but i guess ceno TI would be kinda neat
vale pawn
is this an essay bruh
hybrid matrix
maybe
if he writes an essay on why aquatics should get added then ima give him credit bc thats a lot of time spent for absolutely no fucking reward
vale pawn
ok it wasnt about aquatics lol
gusty kite
so many devs online right now
paper geyser
tribals would be better than the mercs at literally everything other than shooting guns if we're being realistic
which should be the case
mercs are out of their depth on that island
hybrid matrix
ok it wasnt about aquatics lol
surprised? me too
hybrid matrix
tribals would be better than the mercs at literally everything other than shooti...
yes
barren zephyr
tribals would be better than the mercs at literally everything other than shooti...
yeah, basically.
languid crown
tribals would be better than the mercs at literally everything other than shooti...
Or interacting with Merc building, vehicles and research
hybrid matrix
although i think guns wouldnt be especially hard to figure out
dapper pulsar
I mean
hybrid matrix
u pick it up
u shoot it
paper geyser
i think you're overestimating tribal intelligence
paper geyser
give a gun to a chimp and it'll be a while before it learns to use it properly
paper geyser
no
dapper pulsar
anyway
Nocturnal Quetz is scarier than normal quetz, which is hard
upvote
could mercs eat each other in a bad situation
paper geyser
i don't see why not
dapper pulsar
I hope they have voice chat for mercs
hybrid matrix
lol
dapper pulsar
maybe like an intercom system in old buildings that you can enable
maybe there could be on in an encampment that just shoots it into the jungle
hybrid matrix
u just here someone with a shitty mic screaming in the distance, their voice being chopped up by the awfulness of their audio input device
dapper pulsar
In every good video game you can hear someone scream the n-word
place-able walkie talkies that you can speak into
annoy the fuck out of some utahs
allow troodon to comb through things it has heard
have a pack of troodon's known throughout the server by one member staying after everyone's left to teach the next generation slurs
lapis tree
@wanton root yeah but the isle isn’t really known for its realistic designs
vestal rune
yes but in this case the realistic design is better
lapis tree
Yeah
jovial sleet
I added his nocturnal quetz suggestion to my official doc ( with credit) since he already have helped out with it. It's going to be officially finished tomorrow.
Lowkey I'm glad i thought of those quez concepts from the beginning bc without that no telling what type of quetz we would've end up with.. Nocturnal quetz is poppin.
nocturnal quetz was number 3 on here
proud coral
I like 3 a lot. Reminds me of a Raven a bit
jovial sleet
yeah same. he based his quetz of mines ( also in doc) and did it better
. but, im glad i did this though, because the original idea was to let the devs see which type of quetz design the community wanted and they chose the nocturnal one
i low key did think everyone was going to go with 4 but number 3 was the best choice. ngl
strange wave
@jade schooner that minmi is in a burrow that it made, not a natural cave
jade schooner
It’s better if they add natural caves
That’s why I said that
I find the burrowing that they made for Legacy really... inconvenient. Both for the server and code, but it’s functionality
strange wave
@echo bridge dbears video is wrong, body shot on a utah is a oneshot
echo bridge
need to properly test that
strange wave
qa confirmed it, wouldnt they know best of all
echo bridge
because if it does 1 shot
then utahs tail hitbox is fucking massive
and thats the actual problem
strange wave
utah hitboxes are weird asf, also, just, copy paste my stego suggestion into yours
crude girder
@echo bridge that was a good read, keep the feedback coming
echo bridge
thank you
crude girder
tho tbh, #balance-feedback seems a more apt place
echo bridge
i always think about that
tbh
but i do put it in general because part of the suggestion puts focus towards game mechanics that arent just combat stats
like bleed as a whole, wallowing, hit detection and server issues
etc
crude girder
True, plus things that aren't number changes tend to do better in general than balance
echo bridge
and since part of my document is to account for a future that isnt here yet
statistical balance is practically impossible
which is why i suggest to take the 2000N thago jab raw damage proposal softly
because i have literally zero clue how damage calculation works and that could be too much or too little
because we are told nothing about the details of mechanics that revolve around damage
for better or worse
crude girder
Yeah that does make numbers a bit harder, I would reccomend saying "It should X shot this dinosaur" instead
just for the future lol
echo bridge
there, put it in a better format
hope this one actually gets more attention then my previous post
but i feel like the general communities view on Stego in evrima varies drastically from player to player
crude girder
Well I'm actually reading this one because it provides suggested solutions instead of just going "this issue, me no like"
echo bridge
which causes it to not gain much traction
due to different anecdotal incidents influencing their views
like carnotaurus players saying it 1 shots with a head hit but don't know about locked health, or utahraptor players not being aware of how big their tail hitbox is or just thinking they get 1 shot regardless, not being aware of the buck lock happening when you pounce a target whilst they are bucking
dapper pulsar
Coves are good.
crude girder
For the future whenever you make feedback, try to do it like this document
nice clear statement of issue, explanation, and then a proposed solution or two
also DBear's video is a good source, those are some great, if sometimes inaccurate, breakdowns
echo bridge
it usually depends on the length whether its a discord post or document, most of my recent longer ones are in this document form
especially if they have a clear statement to make instead of just being a fun suggestion
crude girder
Now on flaw 3 specifically, that is your weakest point, as it assumes to much about animals that aren't in game
like for example, what is saying that an apex will have substantially more HP or Damage than a stego?
I mean it makes sense that it would, but can't say for sure until its actually in the game you know?
echo bridge
thats why it's 3rd
entirely reliant on assuming future matchups
but hey, i'll get to test how bad Deinosuchus vs Stegosaurus is when the beta comes around
mostly there as persuasive flair for general readers
lol
crude girder
Honestly I would point out the headshot thing more, it's something I haven't even seen the community bring up before
echo bridge
alright
crude girder
hoenstly you seem like you have enough stuff to make stego being squishy a potential point of discussion
sick crescent
Honestly I would point out the headshot thing more, it's something I haven't eve...
Oh its been bought up many times
Just not here
crude girder
Well I tend to only check in the feedback channels for feedback, and I don't have much time to switch builds for public these days
so that would explain why I haven't seen much of it
sick crescent
I meant not in this discord
crude girder
ah
That would even more explain why I haven't seen much of it
If yall have feedback, please put it in a feedback channel, QA actually checks those daily, sometimes multiple times a day if you're like me lol
can't acknowledge feedback that hasn't been given after all lol
sick crescent
We didn’t bring up the Stego Head thing for reasons, but it seems Qu went ahead and added it in his Revised consensus
Not a lot of agrees nor disagrees, due to the lack of dinosaurs rn
worn pumice
deino is a main point for stego rn
if deino can just facetank spikes or bull rush a stego then theres an issue
sick crescent
The arguments given about stegos head mult were always it makes stego just too “huntable”
worn pumice
its hard to see exactly how stego will do against things not in the game yet
sick crescent
same goes for Rex, happylion
worn pumice
yup
especially since rex AI is something coming soon
i rly hope changes are made as the last thing someone wants is to be bull rushed by a deino and it getting the kill anyways
or any other large apex creature
sick crescent
A conversation I had just earlier was actually kind of in Stego balance
On how
Stego turns too slow, has slow attacks with its rather “lackluster” damage output, and has its head mult
worn pumice
id be fine with such huge attacks if they did the proper dmg they should
idk if stego intentionally doesnt have a 180 degree animation
or if its something they just didnt add
sick crescent
The only thing forgiving about Stego really has to be its Health
worn pumice
and even then once big things like deino comes out the hp means nothing rly
sick crescent
Trees are also a must if the Carnos you’re fighting arent wimps
worn pumice
^
dapper pulsar
I pray for Anky.
worn pumice
its sad how a stego has to use the forest, a place that it shouldnt even be able to swing in, to fight properly against carnos
sick crescent
Sad to see Carno viable in Jungle aswell
worn pumice
yea def carno doing well in the jungle is so out of place
its like it goes against what it was or supposed to be
welp hopefully when the beta comes out we can stress test the dinos
and see if anything important changed balance wise
sick crescent
Stego getting a turn buff has also been on the table for conversation lately, but actually not for land combat... purely so it can turn from water faster
worn pumice
some kind of 180 degree for stego would be nice imo
sick crescent
Which I don’t like how its purely for that reason
worn pumice
yea for that reason alone i dont think a whole animation is needed
echo bridge
i think if you buff both its raw damage and its bleed damage and remove the unique increase it has on its headshot locational muliplier
the slow turn can just be one of the few weaknesses Stego has in general so its not a completely untouchable sphere for things that cant eat the damage
because a good stego with a boosted turn speed might be too much
if its needed then go ahead
worn pumice
i think if you buff both its raw damage and its bleed damage and remove the uniq...
agreed
echo bridge
i think its just a small detail that influences stegos current problems, but it is not the main problem
worn pumice
the main issue (apart from that tail hitbox) is how badly it does against things it rly shouldn't be having much issues with at all
worn pumice
i get if theres like 10 utahs in a pack but 4-5 utahs can kill it relatively easily
yes agreed remove its head multiplier to normal one or just buff its turn
echo bridge
its the few things that make sense
-Stego having relatively low hp compared other apex tier animals
-Stego turning slow so it can be caught out by proper ambushes that target its unprotected head
-Stego having slow and commital attacks so spamming/missing leaves openings for aggressors to take advantage of
sick crescent
I really really really hate calling it poor/lackluster damage
Cause its still A LOT of damage
echo bridge
but adding low damage output ontop of the headshot multiplier makes its weaknesses too overbearingly strong
worn pumice
stegos does a lot of dmg but for something 5 hours to grow with 3 ft spikes
it doesnt do a whole lot
it cant even one shot a utah sometimes
echo bridge
its a lot compared to Utah and Carno
worn pumice
its really sad to see honestly
dapper pulsar
Look I am strengthening the child murder point with providing an example, also if you try to tell me the kid lived you're a vergin.
echo bridge
Deinosuchus is going to likely make it look like baby damage
worn pumice
^
i dont wanna see deinos just killing stegos like nothing
stego should be the balance factor for now on why deino shouldn't be walking on land
if deino can do it then rex can do it
and then all the apexes come in
sick crescent
Like
I have no doubt, if Stego remains untouched stuff such as Cerato would likely destroy Stegos
worn pumice
^
sick crescent
The head mult along with the slow attacks and slow turn is just
worn pumice
rly bad
sick crescent
Makes me not happy
echo bridge
boosted head mult + low damage output for what a Stego is + slow attacks + slow turn = bad
just take out boosted head mult and low damage output for what it is and Stego should be good
worn pumice
or just do that but keep dmg multiplier for head but make it turn faster
either way it needs a buff
and soon
echo bridge
yeah
worn pumice
like very soon
echo bridge
Deinosuchus is going to be the first pressure it has that'll likely make its problems clear, but then you'll have people saying "just run" and "deinosuchus should beat stego on land as its an actual apex"
Then it depends who comes first
Rex AI or Cerato
worn pumice
the logical people will stand out
although this is the islecord
a lot of brainded ppl here sometimes
a lot of times actually
i hope people seeing deino literally facetank spikes and kill a stego will make them say it needs a buff
dapper pulsar
Wait Deino is an apex?
worn pumice
yea
dapper pulsar
Huh
dapper pulsar
That seems like a shitty position
worn pumice
but its water locked
dapper pulsar
"You're an incredibly powerful beast in the area where you'll only consistently encounter fish"
worn pumice
idk if they have plans for full aquatics
they might they might not
who knows
more fish would be nice tho 
dapper pulsar
I think Punch had a roster in mind but it's not confirmed that they'll do it
echo bridge
"water locked" in the notion that it loses a lot more hypothetical matchups if its stuck on land
but it has legs and can move between water sources and out onto land to chase injured targets
dapper pulsar
cough Mawsonia cough
worn pumice
water locked meaning its basically not very good on land but it still is very powerful and it has a surprisingly quick turn
echo bridge
and it also has tools to force engagements at the surface of the water
lunge, being really easy to hide as, detecting movement in the water/on the surface of the water, etc
worn pumice
^
echo bridge
so yeah, its not going to be interacting as much as terrestrials do with eachother
but its not impossible
and when the other semi-aquatics get added, it gets to have fun with them
worn pumice
u'll see the brain dead deino walking around on land
or if the deinos are moving ponds lakes water source its in
dapper pulsar
Or god deino.
worn pumice
your gonna have a good chunk of ppl thinking its rex and they'll walk around on land
echo bridge
cannibalism is going to be wild
dapper pulsar
Little do they know
worn pumice
its literally gonna be deino and deino only for a week or 2
and the occasional pteras
dapper pulsar
I feel like Deinos are gonna have a rat race one the update drops
everyone's gonna try to become an adult
dapper pulsar
I'm gonna play Hypsi
worn pumice
lol
dapper pulsar
blind the fuckers who come on land
snow mantle
pter gang
dapper pulsar
Don't worry
so does everyone.
As well as Dryo
It's really only Stego, Teno, Carno, and Utah.
worn pumice
^
and hypsi and dryo will be better when theres other actual smaller dinos to play
such as minmi, troodon, beipi
etc
dapper pulsar
Hypsi is shown grooming in it's concept art and I want it to have an ability that relates to it, maybe passive. Like your feathers absorb a bit of damage but when they're messed up it makes you less mobile.
worn pumice
^
steady lintel
Are they downsizing the dilo?
hybrid matrix
up-sizing
steady lintel
oh... compared to the carno they look like ankle biters which dont really look like up sizing
hybrid matrix
thats bc they all ducking down
steady lintel
gotcha
dapper pulsar
You don't go for the bull's horns you go for what pushes them forward.
hybrid matrix
You don't go for the bull's horns you go for what pushes them forward.
A.K.A the toesies
dapper pulsar
I meant their family but also that
murder carno wife and kids
or husband and kids
or just husband or wife
or just kids
Not hypsis though. I'm not supporting hypsi relationships.
junior crow
@echo bridge I loved your stego feedback it really addressed a lot of the things I feel about current stego
echo bridge
thank you
mild socket
What is up btw with everyone saying Stegos got some problems? Don’t mean to offend I don’t play herbivores at all pretty much
echo bridge
@mild socket
#general-feedback message
My document in #general-feedback explains why in detail, but I can try to summarize it
-Stegos damage output is really low for a large and lethally equipped herbivore, currently it cannot 1 hit a Carno even with a head shot, and a Utah can live if hit in the base of the tail and yet this thing is supposed to be able to fight off attacks from even larger predators that can easily run down a Stego with its low speed*
(A strategy Utah and Carno players do by using their tails to reduce Stegos already low damage for what it is even more, basically allowing them to tank, run off and heal if need be or land enough headshots to kill the Stego)
-Stego is vulnerable to pounce because 4 Utahs at once deals absurd damage and it can get bit in the head by a 5th Utah if it tries to buck the other 4 off, which can cause it to die even though its bucking (Makes stego, the large plains herbivore, entirely reliant on trees to defend against this)
-Bleed just isn't a factor in current Evrima combat due to how little bleed damage everything seems to do and how effective wallowing it as stopping bleed damage, which means Stegos other damage factor is practically useless
-Stego's attacks are really slow and require precision to be effective, a missed swing can mean you get bit in the head which makes you take the most damage
-Stego has a higher than normal headshot damage multiplier than every other creature in evrima for no particular reason
-This hitbox bug exists https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/809792084084391976/Kebab.mp4
crude girder
I mean technically that's not a bug, that's just a bad attack lol
Everything is functioning in that clip, its just stupid
echo bridge
yes Thago Jab is a bad attack
you can bite a stegos spikes and it damages the stego and not you
crude girder
Only deals damage on the actual jabbing motion, once the tail starts to move back, no more damage
like how Teno can only hit you when the tail is swinging down, not on the way up
or how Evrima handles bites compared to legacy
Problem is, short damage window + really long cooldown = attack that is easy to miss, and very punishing to miss
echo bridge
ye
crude girder
which isn't a bad thing, if the tradeoff is worth it
echo bridge
exactly, and thats stegos central issue
moderate payoff for high risk, and this is the only way you can defend yourself
crude girder
I mean you do technically have a bite
echo bridge
especially tacked on being relatively squishy for its size
i actually wonder if carno can beat stego in a facetank if the stego only bites
cause of the headshot mult
anyways that things range is so pathetic(fairly) and risking your head isnt worth it unless they are backing away from you
echo bridge
i'm not surprised
crude girder
It does work against Utah tho, so there's that
echo bridge
-entirely reliant on tail attack to fend most attackers off (normal)
-precise timing and long attack cooldown leaves you open (normal)
-sub par agility because of stump legs and being chunky (normal)
-low healthpool compared to other creatures inside its size range (normal)
-slow (normal)
-the damage output is so low that Carno can live a hit to the face and Utah live hits to the base of the tail (Scuffed)
-unique boosted headshot multiplier that only Stego has on top of its extremely vulnerable openings and lack of agility (Scuffed)
-bleed damage is fairly low as well where i've been able to walk around for minutes as Carno without losing much blood, alongside wallowing being a fix-all for bleed damage
(Scuffed but is being addressed for Update 3)
and while its current damage can probably sit for just Carno and Utah, I can already imagine how bad larger and more tanky predators will maul it because of its low damage
i'm interested for the beta so i can see if Deinosuchus will be the first taste of that
Fat Kentro because Kentro couldn't be done for Update 2
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr wanna explain yourself bud?
No, I'm tired
yeh pal, you better run, you know that Maia pog is the only thing keeping this discod alive, you know it, run away now boy
good, crawl back to the the hole you dug for yourself when you entered my turf
barren zephyr
hmmmm, you're lucky this time sire, you're lucky
sacred shale
barren zephyr
@haughty folio 😶
care to explain?
you're lucky that i'm retreating to my natural brain recharging sack, i shall deal with you later
haughty cliff
re: Utah pounce at 75% growth - have it from even younger. Gives young Utahraptor far more engaging gameplay and the ability to learn the central skill to their damage-dealing instead of only being able to practice in adulthood!
paper oriole
upvoting ur own suggestion 
barren zephyr
Utah pounce caused issues when it was available before 100% growth
echo bridge
falling through the map
paper oriole
Pounce should be fixed to not be some socketed crap too before they do that again, it doesn't need any buffs like that
maiden anvil
Wow already two likes a second after posting my suggestion! Thank you guys!!!
broken thorn
@barren zephyr highly agree on the hint addition, there is no way of knowing dinos abilities instead of just asking people or randomly clicking M2
paper oriole
Dead fish free food on beaches? No ty, at least with crabs and stuff you'd have to put some hint of effort to get them, just do that
odd sedge
So...
Dead fish on the beach = free meal without putting any effort into surviving
paper oriole
well yeah its basically a free snack
if we get droughts and shit however i don't really doubt we'll have dead fish on riverbeds anyway though i guess
but there's better ways to add life to beaches than throwing some dead fish on them
odd sedge
And I am personally fine with letting dead fish wash up, if a ptera accidentally dropped them and they got lost in the ocean
paper oriole
if a ptera dropped them then its still a player putting an effort in to cause it, same with finding somebody's abandoned kill. not the game just spawning free meats
odd sedge
Or dead bodies of players who drowned their dinosaur in the ocean
paper geyser
crab
odd sedge
insert crab rave meme here 🦀
paper oriole
Time for crab
prisma snow
barren zephyr
Oh yeah mr.krabs
odd sedge
🦀
haughty folio
<@!355125815148806144> 😶
care to explain?
Because there is not really any point to it and would frankly just look dumb from an anatomical perspective to animate
maiden anvil
@sacred pasture I think sleeping is meant to show other players you’re logging out
hybrid matrix
honestly i think that not logging out while ur sleeping is an interesting idea
i dont think its a great idea, but i think its worth discussion
mild socket
there should be two different types of sleeping. I like the noctunal animals being able to sleep/being being aware since its nocturnal and daylight being able to restr a tnight
just for realism and quality of life stuff
hybrid matrix
actually
mild socket
there should also be a sleep to log off cuz its a great idea but I also like being able to just have a nap in the game to AFK for a bit
hybrid matrix
i think that if u sleep without logging out u shouldnt be aware of ur surroundings
hearing should be muffld
muffled*
mild socket
yeah to add to that your going AFK and decently hiden if you choose the right place
Like I would love to be running around as a utah and accidentally stumble on a dillo burro and see like 4 of em sleeping in the same area
hybrid matrix
also getting hurt should automatically wake u up (if it doesnt already)
mild socket
it dosen't I don't think, but yeah
barren zephyr
Some animals in the same ecosystem do feed on the same vegetation as others
hybrid matrix
yeah i know thats why i suggested it
bc idk if the devs have thought of that
barren zephyr
Let me ask one question... Is Pachyrhinosaurus coming in future or not?
hybrid matrix
i believe pachyrhino is confirmed
barren zephyr
Or am I going confused between Styraco and Pachyrhino?
hybrid matrix
styraco as the long spikes on its frill and its got 1 big nose horn
pachyrhino has a nose crest and curved horns at the top of its frill iirc
barren zephyr
Yes, I know their differences, I meant I was going confused of which is coming to game and which isn't
ashen wasp
In the case of Pachyrhinosaurus, it would have feathers, not fur. Shaggy, fur-like feathers, sure, ive always had a soft spot for those interpretations, but theyre still feathers.
zenith onyx
why would it have feathers?
its not a theropod in any way, so why have another dinosaur that looks like a bird. We've gotten plently of models already that all have feathers. They need to give a few dinos differen't appearances otherwise they're just repeating model customization.
mild socket
why would it have feathers?
NA is cold bro
mellow steppe
its not a theropod in any way, so why have another dinosaur that looks like a bi...
It wouldnt make since for it to have fur unless it's living in a cold climate.
ashen wasp
Pachyrhinosaurus doesn't have direct evidence of feathers, but it is known to have inhabited colder climates-- non-theropod dinosaurs also possessed feathers and feather-like integuments, like Kulindadromeus's coat and Psittacosaurus's (another ceratopsian) quills. I'm just appreciating the aesthetic of shaggy Pachyrhinosaurus, don't mind me.
zenith onyx
it doesn't make sinse for theri unless it lived in a colder climate, which it didn't so why did it need feathers?
ashen wasp
Because feathers are a basal trait for all maniraptorans, which Therizinosaurus was. Besides, feathers have uses beyond thermoregulation, and that isn't how integument works anyways
icy lion
if pachyrhino looked exactly like that painting (which is gorgeous) itd still be feathers, not fur
feathers can appear many different ways
they could also be a form of integument thats not-quite-feathers and not-quite-fur, an intermediate form of sorts
similar to how pteras have pycnofibers, theyre closer to feathers though they look like fur
dust stating rhino having "feathers, not fur" is a terminology critique i believe
ashen wasp
they don't stop being feathers simply because they change their appearance-- that's why feathers are technically scales; they're the structure feathers were modified from
icy lion
true, true
regardless, rhino could look shaggy and woolly and fluffy but at the end of the day, itd still be feathers
ashen wasp
yes
urban flax
Pachyrhino with fur-like feather integuments looks hella cool. And honestly, it'd make it much more visually appealing than just being another ceratopsian. And we lack feathered herbivores.
urban flax
So my feathered trike suggestion in a previous discussion wasn't that stupid after all
Ceratopsians can look good with feathers
lapis tree
Yeah
icy lion
sonic always sets up a check and x on their own suggestions
urban flax
I'd imagine trike having very bright feathers, especially on the crest, like a parrot
Maybe as an option 🙂
urban flax
I think he said sometime ago that he removed the reaction when someone added it
worn pumice
But like it’s not very good to like ur own comment just confuses things lol
urban flax
I'm just gonna put a ✅ and see if he removes it
worn pumice
Ight
languid arrow
@tight oxide bro what did u mean with ur suggestion
tight oxide
<@!482740571471872000> bro what did u mean with ur suggestion
basically smaller dinos deal less damage to apex sized ones
but hide weakens then it gets to the point you start doing full damage
peak wedge
I dont think there should be music based on proximity to players since thatll just be a radar, but I think itd be cool if there was a very quiet deep ambience like a lot of games use in caves or the like after theres a loud roar, like a rexes, along with the rest of the ambience going quiet
languid arrow
basically smaller dinos deal less damage to apex sized ones
but why would you want that? In the current system the smaller dinosaurs can't exploit assriding. You want to make the smaller, weaker dinosaurs that already need a pack to kill an apex even weaker?
tight oxide
ok maybe what about smaller dinos that might end up with impossible hitboxes..
like bob velo...
languid arrow
ok maybe what about smaller dinos that might end up with impossible hitboxes..
well that should be fixed with game design, but also they would never be able to kill an apex in the first place.
tight oxide
you never know...
but your right velo prob wont have enough damage to even make rex show a screen
languid arrow
you never know...
and even if, I see a velo needing a 100 hits to kill a full apex so i don't really see why the apex would care?
languid arrow
but your right velo prob wont have enough damage to even make rex show a screen
I remember attacking a ful rex with a pack of 20 utahs in legacy and losing 10 people without killing the rex soo......
languid arrow
but nobody would play velo unless it was fun
it probably won't be, imo smaller dinosaurs are not just weak but overall akward and weak to play as
languid arrow
utahs can solo rex
Not in evrima, they're getting rid of the exploits
tight oxide
pog
languid arrow
once assriding is gone I'd like to see a utah try XD
like maybe it can with a lot of skill but it would be reallllyy hard
like 40 bites without getting hit once by something that can actually turn :0
worn pumice
Again ass riding doesn’t exist in evirma
Sometimes the Dinos stats itself take priority over another dino
A Utah will not be able to 1v1 a rex anymore
Considering they are both the average skill
Or average player*
Even if the Utah is good it still should die
mild socket
@barren zephyr they gonna hev bonebreak mate and much more dangerous moves
hybrid matrix
it will
hybrid matrix
bc its a rhino
hybrid matrix
im psychic
worn pumice
hybrid matrix
its got the dent in its back 
worn pumice
worn pumice
in your dreams
urban flax
How is anky getting bonebreak a bad idea ?
hybrid matrix
its not
vale pawn
its a giant club
blissful wren
Terror birds are cool, but I don’t know how Phorusracos would be implemented into the game without getting wrecked by other creatures.
quasi cloak
read da explanation in the doc.
paper oriole
i cant open the doc lmao
quasi cloak
damn
paper oriole
i think terror birds can be covered by orinthomimids and oviraptorans tho
quasi cloak
nah u would change mind if u read the explanation, also another orni bring repetitive roster.
but I took down suggestion cause u cant open dock...
paper oriole
the doc may be locked, there should be a setting to make it public
quasi cloak
hm. Ima check
paper oriole
like on the top right or something idk
i remember it being there when i made a doc but i'm pretty forgetful
yes
one min imma read it through
paper oriole
sounds sort of like gallimimus mixed with legacy cerato in a way
terror birds can reach pretty high speeds so he could be viable for his own survival, i guess it would boil down to how he would balance out against smalls to not be a total op menace against them
quasi cloak
ye ok thx fr feedback
paper oriole
preening could be a thing that covers a lot of feathered animals i think, like hypsi and ovi too, more of an affinity thing
dust baths and preening would be nice to see as opposed to mud bathing on a feathered animal
dapper pulsar
Where doc?
ashen wasp
dust baths and preening would be nice to see as opposed to mud bathing on a feat...
YES YES YES
paper geyser
@gray loom holy fucking shit that is an incredible idea i'm gonna go find out where dondi lives and personally give him a letter demanding that he adds crickets
odd sedge
I don't think we need more crocs.
Sure, Quetz and Ptera, who could rival each other in the air is nice and fine, but that is because no other creature inhabits the sky so far.
Deino isnt the only water dwelling creature, we still have Spino, Bary, Sucho and Co. And I don't think we need to add new semi aquatic/ aquatic carnivores
ashen wasp
Utah's pounce does utilize its killing claws, that's what they're for
(Also, yeah, Sarco definitely seems redundant, especially if it only has stat changes from Deino-- not worth the time, money, and effort creating a whole new playable. Once we get more semi-/aquatics I'd hope for them to be unique enough to justify their inclusion)
urban flax
Just use the same model as Deino
But with different stats
paper geyser
legacy moment
worn pumice
lol
wanton hull
@worn pumice was it u who posted the doc about the stego?
wanton hull
I agree that about the tail biting needing to be fixed (which it probably will be) but I think stego is the way it is because it needs to be balanced for the current meta which is just 2 dinos that probably won’t be hunting them in the future
worn pumice
currently it seems ok
but with deino coming very soon i hope stego gets some type of dmg buff or bleed or hp
something to compensate
last thing we want is to see a deino facetanking stego hits and killing it
hybrid matrix
bubulblu could u show a clip of wut u mean?
urban flax
I'll try to see if I can find one
I've found a video but I don't know if it's very clear
Skip to 1:06
Maybe this one's better, skip to 0:45
But it's hard to see how it works in a video, it's really easier to feel it when playing
silent current
Don't you guys remember the devs saying "As the game progresses niches of certain creatures and the way they play out with change as well" Meaning the whole suggestion for stego is kind of unneeded as it'll eventually change anyways
Hold on i'll grab the message
it was sent in isle discussion so gonna grab it
can't remember which one sent it so hold on
dang it not looking for it it was like the beginning of last month and I'm not going through 1000+ messages xD
wintry monolith
@drowsy moth it depends on if its a perfect carnivore(think wath it is called) or not as a perfect carnivore eats almost only meat think tigers or Lions meanwhile stuf like wolfs eats both meat and plants but not to the extent of a bear
drowsy moth
yer, not sure, I know cats are obligate carnivores, and I've definitely seen them engage in this kind of behaviour
barren zephyr
Pteranodons hind legs aren't made to pick stuff up, maybe with it's beak but that would put a lot of weight in it's front
Besides they were quite small
worn pumice
@light carbon thats actually a bug
its should be low, medium, high, epic, cinematic
hopefully its fixed soon
same with cloud textures thats also bugged
u cant change those either
light carbon
if they actually had texture resolutions for all those settings they would fix that bug straight away
imagine if smth you worked on just can't be used
would be fixed straight away
proud coral
I think it's fixed in update 3, not sure
craggy charm
@drowsy moth thats a really good idea! But perhaps instead of carnivores eating grass to lock up their food, instead eating it could trigger a forced puke. Because irl, I’m pretty sure animals actually do this to force themselves to regurgitate whenever they have an upset stomach (atleast dogs do) so maybe whenever diets are added, if you eat something bad for your specific dino, youll be able to puke it back up for a certain amount of time (before t digests) so you dont have to suffer the consequences
proud coral
That is true, and that sounds like a neat idea.
craggy charm
^ and instead of getting the usual nausea, a forced puke before food digests would simply remove whatever % of food it originally gave
feral wedge
@barren zephyr Care to elaborate upon "other things in Evrima?"
barren zephyr
well...The main one might have been changed...but to my knowledge it hasnt, but with the T-rex will only be a ai creature...and I geuss thats mainly it off the top of my head
vast wolf
rex wont be ai exclusive
apexes are just going to come at a much later date excluding stego and deino.
icy lion
rex was never meant to be ai only
hybrid matrix
i think this was just a misunderstanding rlly
icy lion
usually is
hybrid matrix
i can see why they mightve thought thats wut was gonna happen
drowsy moth
From what I’m aware of, all playables will be AI and vice versa
hybrid matrix
sometimes the info u can find isnt clear
barren zephyr
mainly I just remember watching anthomnia's videos and thinking many times "there ruining there game"
icy lion
thats because its anth
hybrid matrix
yeah
quartz lantern
I wouldn't take a youtubers word for fact
hybrid matrix
anth is bad
icy lion
misinformation galore
drowsy moth
From what I remember I think he saw the rex AI clip and jumped to the conclusion that it’s just AI
quartz lantern
there, fixed lol
hybrid matrix
yes yes i do
but you didn't know what i meant
icy lion
seems to jump to conclusions a lot....
vast wolf
anth clickbaits a ton as of now and his information is often a lot more drama provoking. i would recommend a channel called isle news for your info on the game and i would recommend checking out ravenous for things before evrimas release.
drowsy moth
Yer definitely
Plus they post more often about updates etc
echo bridge
Sadly a lot of content creators tend to jump to conclusions too quickly, like those vids that fearmongered and said "legacy is being deleted when update 3 comes out" just cause filipe said "soon"
proud coral
echo bridge
At least a few owned up and showed amarok statement in a new vid
Annoyed how none of them posted the explanation Punch gave as to why legacy has to go
Anyways that feedback that asks for spruced up freshwater locales hopefully comes to pass
Would like pretty waterways
proud coral
I agree. Dondi once showed beautiful water like that in an old Spero stream. I hope we get some rivers like that instead of constant murky rivers. The current rivers are just ugly in general :/
echo bridge
Spiro got super rushed, hope the work Dondi does on it makes it a lot better
warm flame
@Claire5538#9539 while it sounds like a good idea in concept, it'd be easily abused, people would log out when they're being hunted and come back as something stronger to kill them or do that to revenge kill
lapis tree
@civic sparrow
It’s a good idea for when they add little critters into the isle but I think Quetz would be doing that niche if it won’t become a nocturnal pterosaur (which most people would like it to be)
civic sparrow
<@!592495303761068056>
It’s a good idea for when they add little critters into ...
Quetz will probably lean more towards scavenging and really picking off anything it can kill, while this lil handsome fellow will specialize in hunting crabs that lurk in the mud and small hidden water animals
Quetz is so big that Idk if it would get much from eating those types of things
lapis tree
Yeah
lapis tree
It would still be cool for a nocturnal pterosaur to be in the game
civic sparrow
Yeah im hoping quetz gets the nocturnal ability
lapis tree
Yeah
lapis tree
Yeah forget dilo here comes quetz
lapis tree
A second before disaster
civic sparrow
Yess
languid cairn
@civic sparrow his is, indeed, adorable...
civic sparrow
<@592495303761068056> his is, indeed, adorable...
He needs to be healed
Wait
Held* omg
languid cairn
Also, why have people been typing 'Nocturnal Quetz'? Is that an actual thing back by science or is it just something running through discord?
civic sparrow
Yeah people wanted it for quetz
Not scientifically accurate I don’t think, but would be neato
lapis tree
Yeah
It could be weaker at night with it being large pterodons could attack it
Sorry day not night
civic sparrow
Imagine a swarm of pteras massacring a quetz
lapis tree
And it patterning could have white spots with a dark blackish skin or feathers would make it easier to see at day
That would funny
languid cairn
Huh. Neat
civic sparrow
I hope they don’t make quetz too weak. I know it’s very light for its size but still
Like I hope it can at least take a utah
languid cairn
I was thinking Quetz should act as the smartest kid on the short bus, for a lack of better words.
civic sparrow
languid cairn
Bullying and preying on smaller Pterosaurs when food is too scarces
But not much of a threat to anything Utah sized
civic sparrow
I want it to be able to be capable of fighting one off but not hunting Utah’s or anything
lapis tree
Maybe give it a wing flap were at night could give a animal smaller than teno paranoia
lapis tree
Yeah like dilo but it can fly and looks terrifying in front of the moon
civic sparrow
Imagine ur walking in the moonlight and then a massive shadow goes over you
lapis tree
Fear, darkness and death the three elements were once at war then one day a warrior glided through the darkness of night inducing fear death to everyone that didn’t find shelter
Oh punchpacket posted something
echo bridge
@willow zealot maybe something like that for hyper quetz since if it does exist it doesn't have an official design yet
since the design for the main 5 is likely fairly solid, but they might do model touchups so who knows
willow zealot
That would be horrific seeing Hyper Quetz slowly opening its beak to reveal all of that teeth
echo bridge
also yeah turtles have terrifying mouths
dapper pulsar
Sharp ass beak>teeth
echo bridge
hyper can just have both
Tapwings Hyper Quetz design but when it opens its mouth you get cursed sea turtle dentition on the inside
so you can never escape
dapper pulsar
Moray eel Hypo
paper oriole
Lmao wtf this dude asking for other game recommendations in isle feedback
paper oriole
WTF
worn pumice
paper oriole
Anchor gameplay
paper oriole
... unironically?
paper oriole
Holy shit lmao
lapis tree
@arctic citrus what
dapper pulsar
Bitches refuse to scroll up before judging a convo smh
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr cringe
self upvote
moment
My goals are beyond your understanding
Ngl Quill, best suggestion I've seen in a while
Why is your pfp a smirf
civic sparrow
I’d love bajad but I’m just so curious to see what on earth they will do with Magy
^
strange wave
Baja fijght allo, maggy get eatean
baja gets killed harder because it cant cc
barren zephyr
cc me on wat?
strange wave
cc, stuns, knockdowns, etc
barren zephyr
badger is fatter it can fall on them
strange wave
badger yes, baja no
barren zephyr
Badger :)
strange wave
add badgers to the isle
barren zephyr
Definitely
paper oriole
a literal deer would be better than magy
strange wave
no
barren zephyr
yes
barren zephyr
a literal deer would be better than magy
^^^^^^^^THIS
paper oriole
literally just shave a deer and give it a long neck and call it magy
barren zephyr
I've seen high-school toilets more threatening than Magyarosaurus
paper oriole
a raccoon with leg weights would be more viable than magyarosaurus
barren zephyr
magyarosaurus, more like, please don't
paper oriole
magyarosaurus is like that 30yr old modern arts student that wanders into a ghetto neighbourhood and gets shot and dumped in a ditch at the side of the street for $6
barren zephyr
same
barren zephyr
magyarosaurus is like that 30yr old modern arts student that wanders into a ghet...
allo paid for the hit
Magy
paper oriole
Magy
pulsar iris
barren zephyr
We don't want magy simps here @west agate
west agate
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languid cairn
God, the turbo Allo
barren zephyr
Keep in mind magy does have osteoderms. It's not completely defenseless, though it nonetheless does look awkward
And for a titanosaur better options could have hypothetically existed, like brachytrachelopan (a Dicraeosaur potentially capable of bipedal running)
Though it was really more like a generic Sauropod converted into a Hadrosaur or some shit
languid cairn
Honestly, I think Magy could be viable if you made it semi aquatic like Tenonto. And yes, I'm saying that despite the fact that Deinosuchus is coming to game.
barren zephyr
And even then Magy survives via living in forested areas feeding from trees
languid cairn
Moose do the same
barren zephyr
So it's generally safe from quite a lot of animals, though Ceratosaurus seems to be biased to try and hunt Magy
urban flax
Semiaquatic magy is like semiaquatic anky
It has no reason to exist
barren zephyr
Yeah
languid cairn
Magy in general has no reason to exist
Semi Aquatic Magy at least has the option of choosing which predator it wants to deal with
urban flax
You can't just make every dinosaur viable by turning it into a semiaquatic
The game doesn't need to be full realistic, but it has to make sense.
languid cairn
Also, Magy was generally safe because it lived isolated from predators.
And I'm not making every animal semi aquatic
Just Magy
urban flax
Why not just wait and see what the devs are going to do with it?
The community already have bashed them enough with magy so that they know they'll have to make it strong
If magy can be a semiaquatic, then every dino can
languid cairn
Because this is the discussion page
We're here to discuss
Sure, if you want to take the hints from the road map as a lead, Magy sounds like a giant skunk when you read "disposition"
urban flax
For me magy rather sounds like a giant boar
And it's perfectly fine
languid cairn
I mean, ok, a pygmy sauropod that farts is interesting but I can't say it would be my first guess.
And a giant boar? In this game? That would most certainly be a Ceratopsian or Pachycephalosaurus. Magy doesn't give that "I dare you!" vibe, it really seems be helpless in many cases.
So, we have giant skunk that farts or giant poison dart frog that no one wants to bite.
Personally, I'd try the semi aquatic hippo moose first.
urban flax
Ceratopsians are more like bulls, and pachycephalosaurs like goats. Magy looks like something small, but heavily built enough to tank hits and retaliate.
It's not "I dare you" it's rather "Screw you I'm gonna kick your butt even if you didn't ask for it"
languid cairn
Boars are also like bulls
Magy gives no impression that it has that lvl of aggression, not even a little bit.
urban flax
And I'm not saying Magy should be able to beat an allo for example, but it should definitely have the upper hand against a cerato.
urban flax
Boars are also like bulls
You didn't read the end of what I said? Small but tough
barren zephyr
And why should an allo try hunting a Magy since it's full of some plant toxins it's absorbed from munching on plants
Not lethally toxic, but enough to make it rather distasteful.
urban flax
I don't believe in toxic magy, because allo would still attack it out of spite
barren zephyr
Wouldn't it still get toxins on first bite?
languid cairn
...I did though
barren zephyr
And besides it's hard for Allo to try and chomp through osteoderms.
urban flax
If it didn't absolutely prevents the allo from biting, then it'd still attack. If it does, then it'd be op.
barren zephyr
Well yeah fair enough an allo could kill it
urban flax
What I undrstand from magy's unsavory taste is either that it won't be a part of most dinos diet, either its meat will become inedible very fast
Actually the Allo matchup is the only option where I don't see magy having any other option than hiding
languid cairn
I don't see why you want to make a distinction between Boars and Bulls when I used a Ceratopsian as an example. If you only did it because size then that doesn't really matter when we have entire range to choose from. Ava-Proto-Diablo-Hopefull Pachy-and Trike.
urban flax
But it's not that much of a problem
Dryo and Hypsi are both smaller and slower than utahs, yet people don't complain that much bout them
urban flax
I don't see why you want to make a distinction between Boars and Bulls when I us...
They don't have the same temperament either, I believe boars are more agressive and more inclined to kill their opponent rather than just incapacitate it and run away
Then yeah, you can't really compare dinos to actual animals since ceratopsians most probably never ran away
What I'm trying to explain is that while ceratopsians have horns and a strong front armor, Magy has a thick hide and is able to brawl with several enemies at once
languid cairn
...And you don't see any of the Ceratopsian also being ill tempered and trying to kill whatever is in their grasp-also, Pachycephalosaurus fits this bill almost to a tee.
Ok-so this is a horn vs no horn thing
urban flax
It's not just that
Ceratopsians are meant to stand their ground and kill whatever comes in front of them
barren zephyr
Protoceratops has pretty much no horns.
urban flax
Pachycephalosaurus run to any potential tjreat, break is legs and run away
Magy is on a middle ground. It can wait directly for its opponents or just come at them, and if they insist, Magy can continue the fight until they're dead
And it can probably chase and kill some also
barren zephyr
Lemme get a bunch of good animal analogies
Pachycephalosaurus is like a bighorn sheep (generally spends time in Highlands and the males have disputes for territory or mating rights).
Ceratopsians are easily likened to bovines
And magy is sort of like an Okapi (a small relative of giraffes)
urban flax
I don't know how okapis behave at all
barren zephyr
They're mostly forest dwellers and generally secretive in nature.
languid cairn
I get the feeling that a Pachy-at least when dealing with things in its size range like Utah and Dilo-is going to actively chase down and attempt murder. Would it do this in real life-I dunno-but chances are that this is how it'll be in game.
As for Magy, I still don't see it as an aggressive creature-but hey, if that's what floats your goose, I'll work with it...all the more reason to make it semi aquatic.
Eventually it'll have to tussle with mid tiers and bigger who will actively kill it for fun. I'm just saying it should have the option to dive in a water source like a moose or hippo would-two highly aggressive herbivores just to give you an example.
It could still be a tree browser, but when it doubt, it has that tool in its belt when Senior Turbo Allo comes along.
urban flax
You can make it swim faster than allo without turning it into a semiaquatic
languid cairn
That's the thing though
You don't need to mess with its swim speed at all...because it won't be swimming.
It'll be walking along the bottom of rivers
urban flax
A semiaquatic that cannot swim is completely unviable
languid cairn
And yet Hippos are one of the most viable animals in Africa
urban flax
It can't breathe and it can't move fast in its natural habitat
That's because hippos do swim. And they're very good at it
languid cairn
Last I checked, anything that isn't a fish can't breathe when underwater.
No, Hippos run on the bottom
That's why I keep bringing them up
urban flax
But you're wrong. That's a popular legend that hippos can't swim
languid cairn
I didn't say CANT
urban flax
Many people believe that
languid cairn
I said that they do run on the bottom
urban flax
That's because they need to feed on what's on the river bank
But when they need air they swim back to the surface
If you want to make magy semiaquatic, you have to make it a good swimmer
languid cairn
It's also because that's their prefered method of moving when in the water when they need to go faster.
languid cairn
If you want to make magy semiaquatic, you have to make it a good swimmer
...
So anyways, when Magy needs to breathe, all it has to do is just swim up.
We cool?
We have a deal?
urban flax
You don't need to mess with its swim speed at all...because it won't be swimming...
So you no longer agree with that?
languid cairn
I don't see how I can't agree with that?
Tell me, why can't I agree with both?
When Magy wants to breathe, it ascends
urban flax
You said earlier that it wont swim
Now you agree that it must swim
languid cairn
Oh
That's your hiccup
Earlier I said that's what I said because-context-we were talking about messing with Magy's swim speed
Here's the quote
You don't need to mess with its swim speed at all...because it won't be swimming.
urban flax
And I'm still against semiaquatic magy. Even it being a good swimmer seems far-fetched to me, I can't see any other way for it to survive against allo so I'm okay with it.
languid cairn
This was the response to
languid cairn
You can make it swim faster than allo without turning it into a semiaquatic
This
dapper pulsar
It's Cerato's equivalent or opposite. I feel it should either be dog shit at swimming, or above average.
paper oriole
I had a shitty idea for magy to survive a while back lol
languid cairn
Now, I didn't say to prevent it from swimming, I just gave it an alternative to swimming
paper oriole
Chameleon magy