general-feedback-discussion

[celest furnace]

Dippy just doesn’t catch our attentions as much

Because we don’t have a reason to be attracted to it

[urban flax]

Not even this beauty. Better wait until roster is fully complete before thinking of what new we can add

[hybrid matrix]

i tried to make it clear in that suggesiton that i want iggy to get added after early access

look in #general-feedback

[celest furnace]

I wish we could vote on upcoming dinos like for update 9

[urban flax]

Yeah, but it's too early to suggest that kind of addition

That's like asking for a battle pass

[hybrid matrix]

thats actually a really good idea

[urban flax]

(someone actually did it)

[hybrid matrix]

u should suggest that mashed

[urban flax]

I think the devs already know what they're going to put into update 9

[hybrid matrix]

u should suggest that we should vote on wut future updates will be

[celest furnace]

It’s gonna be a while 😬

[hybrid matrix]

yeah yeah and i forgot about my brain i know i know

[celest furnace]

Thank youuu 😁

[urban flax]

I disagree, community' opinion on this matter isn't a good one.

[celest furnace]

Awww

What are they

[hybrid matrix]

sometimes i have ideas that seem great at first (for example blind dilos at day) and then over time i realize how stupid they are (except blind dilos at day makes sense if you fully understand wut im saying)

[celest furnace]

Wel they come up with dinos like “Cory, iggy, Maia, and proto” these are random but the community has something to choose from

[urban flax]

I mean, most of us aren't game deveopers. We can bring ideas, consumer feedback, but not choose the game development's direction.

[barren zephyr]

@jade cosmos

This message might get lost due to the massive spamming of non-related stuff here,
But i agree with your idea!
The sounds seems wierd in Evrima at the moment, Dryo's broadcasts are not always clear, would be nice to crouch and focus on where we look to hear better !

[urban flax]

Non-related stuff

[hybrid matrix]

aight i gtg

[celest furnace]

They would be the ones to think about it and the community votes

[hybrid matrix]

bye

[celest furnace]

Bye 😁

[hybrid matrix]

actually mashed u redeedmed that idea

[celest furnace]

Wdym?

[hybrid matrix]

i still think u should suggest it

[celest furnace]

Thank you! ☺️

[urban flax]

If they propose a few batches of dinos or mechanics and let the community choose, then I'm with you

[celest furnace]

Cool! I’ll post it

[hybrid matrix]

after bubleulbue said that the devs decide wut the updates are, ur idea didnt make as muich sense

but now

it does make sense

the devs give us dinos to chose from

and we vote

thats a great idea

[celest furnace]

Tysm!

[hybrid matrix]

yw

[celest furnace]

@barren zephyr you’re proposing an idea against the people that consist 80% of this chat, you kind of have to expect us to disagree with you on the convos here...

[quartz lantern]

I mean, the channel is meant for feedback discussion. It would defeat the purpose of it to make it restricted and clog up ID more than it already is

[urban flax]

Besides, slowmode in isle discussion is to prevent spamming, no one ever spammed in this channel

[worn pumice]

theres no spamming even going on lol i dont understand

spammers are banned/muted anyways

[barren zephyr]

80% of this chat is a gang of bullies together doing whatever the hell they want and driving those who are not part of the gang away, making them feel like they are not welcomed here.

[quartz lantern]

If you believe there is an issue, tag a Moderator

[paper geyser]

"stop talking about suggestions" is a bit of a strange request in a channel dedicated to talking about suggestions

[worn pumice]

[urban flax]

wut

[celest furnace]

Exactly

[paper geyser]

like cheese said, just ping a mod if there's an issue

[urban flax]

@celest furnace You included corythosaurus x)
You really want it added, huh ?

[celest furnace]

[worn pumice]

cory hmmmm i mean maybe

[celest furnace]

Just an idea but yeh

[barren zephyr]

But yea, no wonder why i always see the same people here, it's always the 20 same people who chat all day about the same things posting same ideas and same pictures here since weeks.

[barren zephyr]

nobody's in a gang tf. dude we all have our opinion, i've disagreed with Derptah, Mashed and Bubulblu and also agreed with all of them on several different points, and vice versa

[jade cosmos]

Agreed. I was thinking about it just now as I'm near a river (on legacy) and I was sure I heard a footstep nearby but I couldn't hear well over the water. I enever found out what was near me. It may have just been a phantom footstep from myself lol

[celest furnace]

It would be cool to ah e paras and Cory to migrate together LOL

[quartz lantern]

@barren zephyr if you believe there is an issue, tag a Moderator in here and they will sort it out

[barren zephyr]

we dont sit here jerking each other off and shooing the rest away, we all have our opinions. we have conversations and laughs all the time, but its all about the game

[urban flax]

Well nobody usually talks in here

[celest furnace]

Exactly! We’re allowed to disagree when general is completely off topic and ignoring others

[worn pumice]

^

[celest furnace]

Thank you!

[urban flax]

And when someone does talk, the most active people on this channel answers. That's how discussion works

[celest furnace]

Like rn were all agreeing, but in 5 mins we might disagree again, and that’s ok because we’re entitled to our opinions, and we’re allowed to talk about it

[worn pumice]

punch

[barren zephyr]

Disagreeing is ok, but most of the time it leds to a massive debate and some are just trying to impose their ideas on others, sometimes it even (often) leads to insult. 50% of what is written in the chats are not pertinent, not nescessary or just people repeating themselves over and over

[hybrid matrix]

[paper geyser]

you got punch's attention

[hybrid matrix]

hai punch!

[paper geyser]

make it count

[celest furnace]

And that’s ok with us, but if it bothers you you’re not gonna get the community to agree with you

Because we are the people that are activa and voting

[barren zephyr]

arent debates supposed to happen here? if everyone just complimented each other and never gave criticism, nothing and no one would improve

[worn pumice]

^

[celest furnace]

Exactly! We have to realize our mistakes

[crystal trail]

Everyone can share their opinions/criticisms. I've been reading over the chat history and I've found nothing offensive or rude. Also, your comment about us not reading these channels is very inaccurate.

[celest furnace]

😳

[worn pumice]

were not like going to people and saying fuck you were just sharing ideas

[barren zephyr]

exactly, and i'd like to thank big P for always watching over the community as well as some other devs, cheers big P

[barren zephyr]

i've been told many times that you guys don't have time to read

[celest furnace]

Thank you

[feral wedge]

There is no obligation to discuss recent feedback over feedback in general, either. People discussing feedback, explicitly, goes here. Don't try and mini-mod or shove them to a different channel.

[crystal trail]

And I'm telling you otherwise

[barren zephyr]

100 messages per minutes, 24/7, you can't possibly read 5% of this with all the work you have, so most of what we say is not even useful to say because it just disappears in the mass

[worn pumice]

its not like they work 24/7 they have time

[urban flax]

It's useful to say because we're discussing between us ?

[celest furnace]

I just h’guessed that you guys preferred to concentrate on other things and that you are working so hard (which we appreciate) that you didn’t always have the time to look here

[worn pumice]

punch is the one who actually handles the community I believe (correct me if im wrong)

[hybrid matrix]

no no ur right

punch is the community manager

[celest furnace]

Yep

[barren zephyr]

If that's what you guys want, spam all you want then.

[crystal trail]

You'd be surprised. And keep in mind that this pointless and offtopic discussion does nothing but add to that mass you keep talking about

[barren zephyr]

most of the devs have their work for update 3 done and some of them literally have a job which is community management

[worn pumice]

^

[hybrid matrix]

hehe

[celest furnace]

😂

[crystal trail]

@hybrid matrix don't

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

i kno i deleted it

[crystal trail]

That's not appropriate nor constructive

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

[worn pumice]

well anyways

[celest furnace]

Anyway, how does Cory sound? I mean I know it’s a little too similar to para but I think it might be a good idea...what us your opinion?

[barren zephyr]

spam = heated or multiple person convo, got it

[paper geyser]

cory seems like a waste imo

[arctic nimbus]

Skin

[paper geyser]

para skin

[worn pumice]

i mean i feel like cory is just a para re-skin

[celest furnace]

Im open to suggestions, why is that?

[barren zephyr]

i'm not the only one who think the chats here are impossible to read because it goes way too fast with all the people typing sentence after sentence non-stop

[hybrid matrix]

yeah its pretty much para with a different crest

[celest furnace]

Makes sense

[hybrid matrix]

ok so who else agrees with you

[worn pumice]

doesn't mean the points their making are invalid or not relevant to this channel

[barren zephyr]

cause they want to add to their argument or respond to someone elses, tf

[paper geyser]

well it's just too similar to para. What does it have different or what niche could it fill that isn't already filled by para?

[quartz lantern]

Is there a photo in feedback of cory? I believe I've seen it before

[worn pumice]

i think there is somewhere

[celest furnace]

True

[quartz lantern]

I'll scroll through

[worn pumice]

ill check as well

[celest furnace]

It makes sense, I still love Cory but it doesn’t seem like a great idea

[crystal trail]

@barren zephyr it's a discussion chat with hundreds of people. However I've been doing this for years and have no issues keeping up, as well as the fact that I'm on mobile

[hybrid matrix]

hey punch while ur here, i got a question

[barren zephyr]

with an over 5 person conversation most of the time, of course people will be almost constantly typing and replying to others in the conversation

[crystal trail]

Yea?

[barren zephyr]

Not everyone is the same.

[arctic nimbus]

Just scroll up.

[left nacelle]

Plus cory used to be planned, but it actually got replaced by para

[feral wedge]

Thousands, even.

[hybrid matrix]

do u think iggy is gonna have a chance of being added after early access?

[paper geyser]

your issues aren't necessarily that important when you're the only one that has them

[crystal trail]

Then that's a personal issue and not a discord one

[worn pumice]

true but as long as the actual community manager can do it and doesnt have to intervene its fine

[celest furnace]

Very troo

[safe galleon]

maybe as a skin

[celest furnace]

I hope

[crystal trail]

@hybrid matrix iggy?

[urban flax]

Iguanodon

[hybrid matrix]

iguanodon

[barren zephyr]

iguanodon

[barren zephyr]

Know what i'm being told when i scroll up and answer something 5 minutes late? I'm being told ''Wtf we don't even talk bout this anymore'' and being laugh at

[celest furnace]

🥺

[feral wedge]

Iguanodon, Punch. They're doing that gross thing again. Lol

[celest furnace]

Plsss say yes

[paper geyser]

isn't iguanodon just teno?

[crystal trail]

No idea, we've never discussed that one

[hybrid matrix]

u brought this upon urself

[quartz lantern]

If anything, the whole debate that's been brought here is spamming the channel.

[left nacelle]

"that gross thing"

[hybrid matrix]

wrong link

[worn pumice]

^

[urban flax]

But as much as I don't like new dino suggestions, I must say that iguanodon has got some potential as a fast brawler herbi

[safe galleon]

but you have discussed pelaPOGnis right?

[celest furnace]

No problem, any chance you know if proto is coming any time soon?

[worn pumice]

ew pela

[urban flax]

That thing doens't exist

[celest furnace]

I agree

[barren zephyr]

the poor boy had been bullied so much. i did a test and it was the second most voted for a new creature, just something to think about. everyone just be saying its a maia with a thumb spike

[hybrid matrix]

here

#general-feedback-discussion message

this link

[feral wedge]

Voted for where?

[hybrid matrix]

kato that link is there to show u y ur wrong

[barren zephyr]

i went around in different twitch streams and asked, its not here but i recorded the data in notes

[hybrid matrix]

the issue of bigger teno can be solved by giving it a different playstyle

[celest furnace]

Derptah actually has a great argument as to why we could have iggy later on

[worn pumice]

how big is iggy exactly?

[barren zephyr]

big.

[urban flax]

2 tons iirc

[left nacelle]

[hybrid matrix]

wait thats also the wrong link

shit

[arctic nimbus]

Gotta love the people who say "its just x animal but with y" when we might have 5 ceratopsians and nobody bats an eye.

[worn pumice]

[quartz lantern]

My dumb ass thought you were talking about iggy azalea...

[worn pumice]

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

OK THIS IS THE LINK
#general-feedback message

[worn pumice]

ah gotta love pw

[barren zephyr]

I'm not the only one i'm just the only one couragous enough to say it out loud, seeing what you guys do to people who has different opinions, i understand why everybody is staying silent about it.

[left nacelle]

Well they're all different sizes and do much different things

[barren zephyr]

that is definitely me when

[feral wedge]

Probably a skewed and useless poll, then. That sample size and crowd(s) is too narrow.

[urban flax]

Bruh now that's big

[feral wedge]

Not that it's like

[arctic nimbus]

The same is true with Maia and Iguanadon.

[feral wedge]

A bad thing to do

[urban flax]

Well the only useful polls are the ones made by the devs

[barren zephyr]

13 meters is over 40 feet btw, so like rex length

[urban flax]

Even votes in the feedback channel aren't really relevant

[left nacelle]

prehistoric wildlife isn't a good source for sizes btw

[hybrid matrix]

gar #general-feedback message

[celest furnace]

You only have 1 person agreeing with you, you’re allowed to think what you think but when a dev disagrees maybe you should put some thought to what you’re saying

[quartz lantern]

Gar I'm gonna do a poll to add cat raptor lol

[hybrid matrix]

and punch if ur still here
#general-feedback message

[worn pumice]

U act like we tell ppl their worthless or something, It is a debate and a debate will have critics

[feral wedge]

But you have to get a good sample group for a good vote that can be quantifiable.

[feral wedge]

I mean

Iguanodon is just Para that can fight

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, we dont tell ppl theyre useless, we tell ppl their ideas r useless

[urban flax]

Yeah, 47 votes is a lot for that channel, but the Isle is thousands of players

[worn pumice]

lol

[feral wedge]

I wouldn't mind the idea of it.

[paper geyser]

you are literally the only one having an issue with us talking to each other. If you can't join the conversation or want to talk about something else that's not our problem

[celest furnace]

Yup

[hybrid matrix]

i havent heard that one yet

except

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

uh

[worn pumice]

just to add on btw i came in the middle of a heated convo. Am i complaning? no im not so ur issue sounds less of an issue and more of a personal issue

[left nacelle]

I do get your point, some people will say/do horrible things to people with differing opinions, but not everyone here is like that

[celest furnace]

@barren zephyr if you’re the only one with an issue here, then you should deal with it, we’re not gonna find a solution for a problem that is not ours

[feral wedge]

I'll ban you for shitposting.

[worn pumice]

wait can u ban QA members

is that legal lol

[barren zephyr]

A dev is not a god or a superior human being to me. All i see in this Discord is a bunch of people teaming up together to destroy one that has different opinion. I came in this chat because it was quiet and you guys are always flooding the isle-discussion, and just when i get here you all come here flood the chat.

[paper geyser]

probably

[quartz lantern]

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

hang on it took a while to make that whole suggestion and it worked out well so im take a little bit to come up with while ur wrong

gar i need a minute to come up with a good argument as to why iggy is not a para that can fight

[barren zephyr]

maybe thats cause their opinion isnt popular and they all disagree so will state that with the person they disagree with

[paper geyser]

what did you say again? You say we destroy other opinions but i don't think any of us even knows what your opinion was

[celest furnace]

Like I said, it’s your problem, so you deal with it, we’re not gonna help you after you storm into here complaining and telling us we need to help you

[barren zephyr]

i was hoping to talk about current feedbacks and all my messages get lost in this massive random conversation that changes topic every 3 minutes

[worn pumice]

I dont understand why your still speaking about this issue. Its more personal then a community problem

[hybrid matrix]

because we're talking about something else

[barren zephyr]

No what i said at all

[left nacelle]

This chat is going like 10x faster than it normally is lol

[celest furnace]

We’re allowed to do that according to the people who BASICALLY MADE THIS PLACE

[worn pumice]

Every single "issue" u brought up is just a personal problem

[hybrid matrix]

yeah we coordinated this to spite vayla

[quartz lantern]

@barren zephyr that's because people give general feedback a lot to give ideas to better the game. No one feedback is superior to others unless proven in general feedback discussion.

[celest furnace]

Ikr

[worn pumice]

^

[paper geyser]

"teaming up to destroy one who has different opinion". You could at least try to remember what you said.

[barren zephyr]

i was here way before that's the thing, i was waiting for the first conversation to end to be able to talk again and it just never ended and became a shit show

[feral wedge]

I mean there may be groups of people that have similar suggestion agreements

[celest furnace]

[urban flax]

That's probably because someone felt compelled to join in and upset people there

[worn pumice]

Just becuz we say the idea is trash doesnt mean were calling the person trash

[quartz lantern]

Because you tried to mini mod and told them to leave the feedback discussion channel

[feral wedge]

But I often have very abrasive opinions and suggestions against the grain of the community, myself.

[worn pumice]

theres a difference

[celest furnace]

Well things change, and you have to change with it because you can’t do anything about it, I’m sorry but things change and you have to realize that

[feral wedge]

This place has nearly 60,000 people in it.

[worn pumice]

damn

[celest furnace]

Yup

[feral wedge]

There's only so far you can go to have the stand.

[paper geyser]

50,000 people used to live here

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr we're still talking about dinosaurs/the game itself, its not like we're talking about "peter griffins falls down the stairs but vocoded to gangsters paradise"

[arctic nimbus]

It's possible to contrast them in-game. Simple stat changes, design, and abilities. I can see what you mean though. They are fairly similar.

It just doesn't make sense to me when people immediately disregard an idea saying "this animal is just a clone" when we have multiple creatures coming to the game that are basically the same thing.

[left nacelle]

60,000?

[worn pumice]

pog

[feral wedge]

~~I think Iguanodon would be a good Para replacement rather than a solo addition tbh. ~~

[hybrid matrix]

alright so first of all, para is heavier and relies more on its weight than its attacks. (para is gonna be a hefty chonker right?) iggy is more of a brawler than a tank

[worn pumice]

Very specific lol

[barren zephyr]

if you call being polite being a mini mod, next time ima tell you all to stfu and gtfo if it prevents you guys from thinking i do mini moding. fr....

[celest furnace]

Ok guys let’s just ignore her, we’re not going anywhere with this. Let’s talk about why floods and droughts are good

[hybrid matrix]

honestly i think so too but ppl want para to stay

[celest furnace]

That doesn’t sound very polite to me

[barren zephyr]

it came up in my youtube recommended

[feral wedge]

Para is already here and it's popular, so

[quartz lantern]

That's a bit rude

[celest furnace]

PARA

[feral wedge]

It's not going to go anywhere.

[celest furnace]

Nuuuuu

[safe galleon]

calm

[hybrid matrix]

gar i think theres a way to make them different

[celest furnace]

We need para UwU

[barren zephyr]

But don't worry i'm out. i can't say anything in here ever anyway, this server is not for people like me

[worn pumice]

This is the first message u said when u came in u literally told us to move to isle discussion for no reason

[urban flax]

Give Iguanodon feathers

[celest furnace]

Obviously not. You can stay but you seem to not want to change with the community

[quartz lantern]

@barren zephyr this is mini modding

[paper geyser]

but you do mini mod a lot. You're always telling people to be polite and calm and well mannered, except you're the only one that has ever had an issue like that. If you don't like this place you're welcome to leave, just don't try to tell people how to act.

[celest furnace]

So it’s gonna be hard for you to stay

[barren zephyr]

we dont agree with you, your opinion, thats literally what this is about, opinions

And i just had the proof you guys don't read half of what i say you all interprete what i say wrong lol

[feral wedge]

That would be unacceptable. And you cannot tell people to change chats. You can recommend them to flee before a mod sees them if they're doing a bad in the wrong chat, but this is where discussion for feedback goes. Whether it was yours or someone's Iguanodon document from two weeks ago.

[barren zephyr]

im not gonna cry and leave the discord if a few people say my crab ai idea is stupid

[feral wedge]

Mini-modding isn't permissible

[urban flax]

Thankfully a mod hasn't seen us yet
Btw why is your nickname Orange Gar ?

[paper geyser]

crab ai please

[barren zephyr]

Yea i was asking you to leave so it could go back to the latest feedbacks

[worn pumice]

your crab idea is stupid

[celest furnace]

It happens sometimes, but no one is agreeing with you, all I can think is that this is mentally exhausting for you, so just accept that you’re not convincing anyone

[feral wedge]

[left nacelle]

[hybrid matrix]

iggy is obviously a brawler
para could be a health tank that relies on its chonk to survive apexes
also iggy's only counter to apexes would be herding up with other iggies

[barren zephyr]

dies

[celest furnace]

Yéyé

[worn pumice]

[quartz lantern]

They weren't finished discussing a feedback, so it's rude of you do ask them to stop in a channel made specifically for that.

[feral wedge]

Wait someone link me the crab idea

[hybrid matrix]

XD

[left nacelle]

[barren zephyr]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/814876855466197023

[worn pumice]

#general-feedback message

aw

i was too slow

[barren zephyr]

[safe galleon]

yeti crabs

[celest furnace]

No

[feral wedge]

I like the idea for crab AI as beach snacks

[urban flax]

The only thing that bothers me about adding small animals AI is that they might make carnivore life too easy.

[celest furnace]

Let’s add giant tortol

[left nacelle]

coconut crabs that attack juvies

[worn pumice]

crab ai giving life would be pretty cool imo

[celest furnace]

Me too

[feral wedge]

I just wanted to see if it was different

[quartz lantern]

Good ole Cronch

[urban flax]

But they'd do so much for immersion

[paper geyser]

someone suggested crab ai as a beach snack a few weeks ago, love the idea

[worn pumice]

maybe even add other things like maybe for herbivores u can add coconuts?

[safe galleon]

what was the recode crab meme again? I remember something vague about some alaskan crab cancelling the recode

[celest furnace]

Yup

[barren zephyr]

wait people have said that before?

[celest furnace]

Yes! Like you run into trees to get kokonuts down

[worn pumice]

[feral wedge]

Yeah but I lose track of who and when and where.

[celest furnace]

[safe galleon]

ava with coconut diet would be pretty cool, or even proto

[barren zephyr]

damn, at least my rock pool thing was most likely unique

[feral wedge]

[worn pumice]

low key that emote is kind of creepy

[celest furnace]

I like that idea too

[quartz lantern]

Gar. 90% of your emojis are cursed...

[hybrid matrix]

gar

[safe galleon]

crab chips...?

[worn pumice]

lol

[celest furnace]

LAMOO

[quartz lantern]

Who deleted something in feedback?

[worn pumice]

im hungry now

[feral wedge]

@quartz lantern

You think so?

[quartz lantern]

Something is missing

Stoooppppp

I hate that one

[feral wedge]

Me: Sees crab/ocean life suggestion

[quartz lantern]

Rude

Was gonna say it was cute

But now...

[hybrid matrix]

do u think that if para were a chonky health tank that could survive an apex attack and iggy were a lightweight (for its height/length) brawler they wouldnt be the same?

also

[worn pumice]

insert nitro emoj here

[hybrid matrix]

vayla deleted their feedback

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

yw meancheese

[quartz lantern]

Oh, I was scrolling through feedback looking for something and it moved

[celest furnace]

Heehee

[barren zephyr]

babies carrying around sea shells to show off to mama and papa?

[hybrid matrix]

OOH

[feral wedge]

No.

[celest furnace]

So coot

[feral wedge]

That's dumb and has no purpose.

[celest furnace]

Gtg tho

[hybrid matrix]

ADD KILLER SURFING SEA SNAILS!!

[worn pumice]

crab and turtle ai?

[celest furnace]

See y’all soon!

[quartz lantern]

Bye mash

[barren zephyr]

bulli :(

[hybrid matrix]

LIKE AGARONIA SOMETHING SOMETHING

[barren zephyr]

See? Not nescessary. Teaming up together laughing at others, every single day i come here i see that

[worn pumice]

cheers

[hybrid matrix]

SO IT CAN EAT THE CRABS

[celest furnace]

Bye I had fun 😬

[hybrid matrix]

AND THEN THE SHELLS WILL BE MURDER SCENES

[quartz lantern]

Why the caps lol

[worn pumice]

This is becuz u unecessarily told us to leave

[barren zephyr]

i love crabs

i wish i had crabs

[feral wedge]

[barren zephyr]

wait...

[hybrid matrix]

idk

[feral wedge]

That's enough.

[worn pumice]

yes pls

[still raptor]

Can you please drop this idiotic argument.

[quartz lantern]

[worn pumice]

i wanna talk about crabs

[barren zephyr]

an hour ago, and the bully gang is still on my case when i'm not saying anything anymore

[celest furnace]

Just saying you’re removing your suggestion because we don’t agree, I have tons of terrible ideas but at least I own up to it

[worn pumice]

lol

[barren zephyr]

same

[hybrid matrix]

i wanna talk about iggy

[barren zephyr]

SAME

[feral wedge]

I'd also like some eurypterids.

[still raptor]

What are those Gar?

[worn pumice]

H o w are we bullying u i dont understand anymore

[feral wedge]

The big ole "sea scorpions"

[hybrid matrix]

type of pterosaur i think

[quartz lantern]

Gar...can you sing me toss a coin to your witcher sometime

[hybrid matrix]

oh nvm

[still raptor]

Oooo

Sounds interesting

[safe galleon]

too cute

[feral wedge]

No.

[celest furnace]

Vayla, we’re allowed to disagree but keep your suggestions because you’re just being immature. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean we are wrong

[barren zephyr]

we arent even talking to you unless you bring up the chat idea again, idk what you mean

[quartz lantern]

[hybrid matrix]

same
except for when i decide to make a rlly god suggestion and i ask ppl about it
and we come up with things like with my iggy idea

[celest furnace]

Exactly! The convo goes back to normal and she has to come hate on us

[worn pumice]

[quartz lantern]

[barren zephyr]

pink one reminds me of axolotl's idk why

[feral wedge]

I love them

[quartz lantern]

That's scary

[hybrid matrix]

ooh i remember that blue one from walking with monsters

[worn pumice]

can we play as a sea scorpion would be cool

[urban flax]

Oh no

Those are scary

[feral wedge]

A good, pesky-sized AI and seafood. 😄

[hybrid matrix]

or maybe it was the larger yellow one

[barren zephyr]

Said the guy that laughs at me in the chat after you think i'm gone

[worn pumice]

oh yea walking with monsters

[feral wedge]

I said to stop.

I'm not good at second warnings.

[worn pumice]

[feral wedge]

That means all sides.

[barren zephyr]

I'm defending myself. They keep adding stuff.

[safe galleon]

if we wanna talk about good aquatic AI we should bring up the tully monster

[hybrid matrix]

the walking with series are a good place to find ideas for suggestions

[nova anchor]

anomalocaris for aquatic ai

[urban flax]

What's that ?

[quartz lantern]

What're those things on the bottom of the ocean floor. Isopods? Creepy rolly polly things

[celest furnace]

I only laugh because you aren’t owning up to the fact that we disagree. Instead, you delete your comment and just assume that we are wrong because we don’t agree with you

[feral wedge]

Stop means stop. Not "get the last word in to try and defend myself"

[barren zephyr]

okay guys guys listen, guys, icthy

[hybrid matrix]

tully moster

[feral wedge]

Now, for the final time

Enough.

[urban flax]

Please don't make me google that, I'm scared

[safe galleon]

don't worry... you'll know

[worn pumice]

bary and sucho moment

[barren zephyr]

dolphin boi for update 10 pls

[hybrid matrix]

it looks fuckin hilarious

[worn pumice]

pls no

[safe galleon]

the amazing lad

[urban flax]

Ok I hate you now

[worn pumice]

[celest furnace]

[hybrid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-wheezing-laugh-lmao-lol-gif-15907876

[quartz lantern]

[celest furnace]

[feral wedge]

Let's not.

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[worn pumice]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

still tho

[barren zephyr]

fr tho when you guys think aquatics, maybe when the semis are all in?

[worn pumice]

maybe when like a good chunk of the roster is in they might add aquatics

[feral wedge]

In what sense of aquatics?

[hybrid matrix]

gar if para were a chonky health tank and iggy were a less chonky brawler would they work in the same environment?

[urban flax]

I honestly don't want full aquatics to ever be added into The Isle. That'd split the roster

[barren zephyr]

ocean life that's playable, maybe even freshwater if done right, but mostly salt

[urban flax]

And we know the community doens't like splitting rosters 😛

[feral wedge]

Para is frail no matter how obese it is. It has no weapons. Scrawny headgear. Scrawny arms.

[worn pumice]

true

[feral wedge]

It should run.

[quartz lantern]

It has jazz hands

[hybrid matrix]

i mean like its main body

[quartz lantern]

Jazz you to death

[feral wedge]

Iguanodon is superior in combatitibe regards.

[hybrid matrix]

that thing is huge

[barren zephyr]

this

[hybrid matrix]

i agree with u but we both kno if we want iggy we need to make it work with para

[worn pumice]

iguanadon has more weapons would be more of a brawler

thumb spike long tail

[feral wedge]

I hope we get something like that, but it would be past 1.0, I think.

I wouldn't know

[hybrid matrix]

oh wait

that in itself differentiates the two

iggy is a brawler

[feral wedge]

Correct. Lol

[quartz lantern]

Lol

[hybrid matrix]

para is a flee-er

[barren zephyr]

yeah, i assume that the dlc they talk about would be an ocean map or something, idk if they'd make it free

[quartz lantern]

Para go HJONK

[hybrid matrix]

para is a giant goose

[worn pumice]

hjonk

[hybrid matrix]

that doesnt fly

and is slow

guys

[worn pumice]

hjonk lol it has like a voice crack

would para be slow tho

[quartz lantern]

I made that noise once in a book store because I read it and there was a guy behind me and I apparently startled him enough to make him drop the book

[barren zephyr]

add voice cracks

[quartz lantern]

Thought the store was empty

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

goose niche for ovi
i'd love seeing an ovi scare the shit out of a brachi
(geese terrify huge animals, they have this weird thing where they horrify large animals but not small animals)

[quartz lantern]

Swans are scarier

[worn pumice]

swans man

[quartz lantern]

Swans in isle when

[feral wedge]

[quartz lantern]

[barren zephyr]

i got the perfect trex counter, flamingos

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but geese have this weird thing where they scare huge animals

[worn pumice]

i swear swans try n attack me for no reason

[urban flax]

Honking ovi

[quartz lantern]

I just wanna HJONK at people

[hybrid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/honk-inhales-goose-honking-untitled-goose-game-gif-17492593

[worn pumice]

Thats a good game

[quartz lantern]

Geese hiss

They're demons

[worn pumice]

are gifs still disabled

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-stego-stegosaurus-the-isle-gif-15249666

[quartz lantern]

In ID yes

[worn pumice]

oh wait what

oh

id

ok

nvm

[quartz lantern]

Gar revoked our perms

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

What if they added the Northern lights back?

[worn pumice]

y e s

[barren zephyr]

That was in legacy right?

[worn pumice]

ye

was it only on V3?

[barren zephyr]

Idk but I want it

[urban flax]

You mean the auroras ?

[worn pumice]

yea

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[worn pumice]

the borealis aurora

it would be nice to have

like for a certain time of night it comes out

[urban flax]

I don't want them back for a stupid reason
That makes everyone in lore theories go crazy about the Isle's location

[worn pumice]

lol

tbh i forgot the isle had lore

[feral wedge]

Make sure y'all stay on topic.

[barren zephyr]

Put it in GF

[warm flame]

dunno about them bringing back the northern lights with the island being tropical

[worn pumice]

i mean the isle is gonna have hypers around so i think its ok

if like during a specific amount of time during the night it comes

and then fades to dark

[celest furnace]

I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA

What if

(Sorry for interrupting)

Different species could communicate to each other via local

So

A ceratopsian can talk to another ceratopsian

But it’s limited

So you can only say a set of a few words like “hi” “danger” etc

I just realized it’s dumb

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, they can talk but the max range is decreased?

[celest furnace]

Sure!

[barren zephyr]

Like you'd pretty much have to he next to them to do it, but you can

[celest furnace]

Good idea!

[hybrid matrix]

that would help with herds

[celest furnace]

Ikr!

[barren zephyr]

I like that, a kentro and stego can chat, the Ceras can chat, the hadros can chat

[cyan flame]

No thanks, they should compete, not be friends :p

[mild socket]

or they could just commune with body language. Dosent take much for an ava to get the picture that a trike is gonna move

[celest furnace]

Yeah!

[celest furnace]

Not a lot of body language atm, and it could possibly only work for herbis since they like to migrate and team up with each other

[barren zephyr]

I mostly mean herbivores, communicating strats in herds is hard without telling the ones hunting you

[hybrid matrix]

mashed u should rephrase it

[celest furnace]

Wdym?

[hybrid matrix]

rn it looks like ur saying u should be able to use local to talk to rexes as a utah

[celest furnace]

Oooh

[maiden anvil]

@celest furnace you mean in global chat or something else?

[cyan flame]

No, mixherding bad, besides, we want more herbi competition, not less. Would make some sense that the others similar to you are your main food competition, not a different kind who's food might very well be in a different biome altogether.

[maiden anvil]

^^^

[mild socket]

when I say body language I mean like how the game is already

[hybrid matrix]

u should make it clear that its for members of a certain group of dinosaurs
like ceratopsians can all communicate in local
or hadrosaurids (i dont care if teno isnt a hadro just shut)
not like utah to rex

[maiden anvil]

Not like you see elephants and rhinos forming herds.

[cyan flame]

What's wrong with group/local for your own species to communicate? You're not supposed to team with others, not even others of your "sort", they're still not your kind, thus competition. Something we sorely need more of.

[maiden anvil]

^^^^

[celest furnace]

That’s your opinion and we have ours too

[celest furnace]

Something else because big servers have global chats that you can hardly talk in

[maiden anvil]

My opinion is the same as Erik

[hybrid matrix]

i mean certain dinosaurs that should mixherd with each other should be able to use local to communicate

[left nacelle]

Imo, mix herding is okay, but you shouldn't be allowed to speak to other herbivore species

[celest furnace]

Wai?

[left nacelle]

It just doesn't make sense

[worn pumice]

yea but certain dinos mixherding should be allowed imo

[cyan flame]

Tolerating other species is fine, mixing/actively interacting is not

[hybrid matrix]

so for example, dryos and stegos could use it to talk to each other since they might herd together

[worn pumice]

^

[cyan flame]

You can still "talk" with calls and body language :p

[hybrid matrix]

also dryos and stegos r from the same time period and may well have herded together

dryos definitely herded with other dinos

[left nacelle]

I think stegos having a few hypsis in their herd is fine, but they shouldn't be able to communicate with them since they're a separate species

[worn pumice]

animals today use symbiotic relationships to help one another

communicating with them

idk

[cyan flame]

Yeh, I'm not oppposed to passive tolerance, or even reacting to what others do around you, just no active helping each other, much less talking chatwise

[barren zephyr]

I don't see the issue with mixherding even if the actual idea isn't exactly the best. Herbivores constantly formed groups, for example hadros would hang with tanky herbivores for protection and easy food in return for being predator spotters

[celest furnace]

Not a lot of body language atm and calls are limited

[hybrid matrix]

yeah dryos would rely on the stego's size and strength for protection and the stegos would rely on the dryo's perceptiveness

[left nacelle]

Turkey vultures and black vultures form mixed flocks, but they don't actively communicate iirc

[celest furnace]

Like I said it would be limited

[hybrid matrix]

it should only count for species that would herd together

[celest furnace]

That’s actually accurate

[cyan flame]

Plenty enough even as it stands. If you're a dryo and you're around me as stego, if you squeak danger, I'll look around and see what's going on at the very least. Unless you've cried utah too many times I guess.

[celest furnace]

Yup

[left nacelle]

Plus herbivores used to be able to talk to other herbivores, but it was removed. And I think it was for the best, felt weird talking to a different species

[cyan flame]

But mixherding bad, so that's not something I want to encourage at all, even if it would make some realistic sense with dryo/stego maybe. I do not think it's a good idea

[worn pumice]

i think small herbivores and tankier ones make a good combo

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but if u can type to the stegos in secret without the danger knowing then u could say exactly wut it is u heard/saw

well anyway

i had an idea for a hearing perk

[celest furnace]

Why is it bad though

[hybrid matrix]

and a passive ability for dinos like dryo

[celest furnace]

What is that?

[cyan flame]

True enough, but like I said, I think that sort of mixing is bad, so can't agree with that one. Not for carnis, and not for herbis either.

[barren zephyr]

Lots of herbi species have herd synergy, what slow or defenseless herbivore wouldn't want a dryo or definitely a hypsi around?

[cyan flame]

Takes out your own weaknesses by using something else for compensation

Same as with carni mixing

[celest furnace]

Very smart indeed

[hybrid matrix]

guys let me say this

so basically as a dryo u would already have this but could improve upon it

so

[celest furnace]

If you stay calm, then the carnis won’t know that you saw them, therefore typing is a good idea

[worn pumice]

honestly we can just have the smaller herbis able to mix herd with the bigger ones

[hybrid matrix]

small herbivores would already have a passive hearing boost

so

wut i mean

[worn pumice]

but big ones shouldnt mix with other big ones

otherwise u have a trike a shant and a stego

[left nacelle]

Imo mixed herding = good, interspecies text communication = bad

[worn pumice]

^

agreed

although i still dont want bigger tanky herbis grping up

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. If you start 4 calling them, it'll either alert more predators or prompt them to attack, the herd might not have time to comprehend the threat if this happens

[hybrid matrix]

is that if a dryo is turning its head and its left ear faces the direction of something making noise, that noise is amplified enough that the dryo can hear it just enough to guess wut it is

however

[celest furnace]

@maiden anvil It’s a decent idea but it makes it too complicated. Adding simply droughts and floods and weather changes is good enough for me.

[cyan flame]

Eh, will have to disagree on that one, mixing bad. And really, if you have your herd in order, you'll be able to react, you shouldn't need chat in the first place honestly.

However, dryo having enhanced hearing and nightvision would be cool, little nervous critter :p

[maiden anvil]

Mentioning of the diet system. Herbivores of different species would have a harder time to mix group as they would have food sources at different locations on the map.

[worn pumice]

i dont want big herbis teaming up tho cuz then its too strong

[left nacelle]

@maiden anvil Dondi specifically said no to temperature. He doesn't think it would be fun to need to find shelter to wait out the heat/cold, and he says it doesn't make sense for an animal to be hurt by temperature when they're meant to be living in that temperature

[barren zephyr]

Packs have the luxury of forming plans and full sentence communication, why can't some herbs do that?

[cyan flame]

It would be interesting with a temperature system, but it might be complicated and hard to balance. Still, wouldn't mind something along those lines.

[maiden anvil]

True indeed

[worn pumice]

bob's comfort system

[cyan flame]

Since when can a full herd of it's own kind not to the same thing? Just like a pack of it's own kind can do that?

[left nacelle]

Exactly lol

[worn pumice]

Oh no theres rain guess ill die

[barren zephyr]

Simply saying there's a predator isn't good enough, especially when the carnivores already have a plan of attack

[hybrid matrix]

if that same dryo decides to get the hearing perk, if it turns its head and its left ear faces something making noise, then the sound (no matter how subtle it is) would be amplified just enough that u notice it (to grab ur attention) and once u focus on the sound long enough (u face an ear to it), it sounds like its right next to u and u kno exactly wut the noise is (so if its footsteps u could guess the size of the creature).

[maiden anvil]

How ever I thank everyone for their honest opinion on my suggestion :3

[left nacelle]

Plus, think about how often you find lynxs and moose dead from hypothermia. Almost never

[barren zephyr]

But you won't and strategically shouldn't be with just your own kind

[worn pumice]

i like ur suggestion but i feel like it would be too complicated to add

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but they have thick fur (not rlly relevant just wanted to mention this)

[maiden anvil]

@worn pumice and your most likely right

[cyan flame]

So, you have your ideas and strategies planned out in case of an attack? Like the pack has it planned out before they start the hunt? And what? You should, and most likely will be with your own kind, it's the only kind that matters for you, or should matter.

[left nacelle]

Yeah, they're adapted for their habitat. That's my point

[worn pumice]

I think a temperature system like seasons would be cool

something like that

[maiden anvil]

Yeah maybe

[barren zephyr]

Strategies depend heavily on the threat, number of threats and the environment you're in

[left nacelle]

Seasons wouldn't work on Spero and Spiro at least, since they're tropical islands

[maiden anvil]

^

[left nacelle]

You could have a wet/dry season, but we're already gonna be getting floods, so that's close enough lol

[cyan flame]

Temperature would be cool, hard to figure out, but still cool, and could probably be made not too bothersome. Could do the same as diet, not so much a punishment but a boost only?

[hybrid matrix]

guys ur not listening to me about the hearing idea

[cyan flame]

So? Same for a pack? You said packs can plan out, I'm saying a herd can do that too?

[celest furnace]

Lmk what you think of my new feedback suggestions

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure why if a utah pack can plan a hunt out, a dryo flock can't plan an escape out? :p

[maiden anvil]

@hybrid matrix link us your idea

[barren zephyr]

When the attacks coming and you only have a few seconds to decide a plan, panic happens. The carnivores have already planned their attack in the bush, what don't you understand?

[left nacelle]

@celest furnace If there's no snow during winter, there wouldn't be a food shortage, so that part doesn't make much sense imo

[hybrid matrix]

it starts at this message
#general-feedback-discussion message

[maiden anvil]

Yes^

[celest furnace]

It does, because in some places in the world, it gets cold enough for things to die off, but doesn’t get much snow

[cyan flame]

That's why you have scouts, and a planned response for when the attack happens. Like, you know what do to the moment something happens, you keep an eye out, and so on.

And I do mean your own species only for that matter.

[worn pumice]

tbf herbivores should have a plan if they get attacked

[left nacelle]

But not in tropical areas. In tropical areas they just have wet/dry seasons

[celest furnace]

Ok, then just make summer droughts and spring a rainy

[barren zephyr]

I don't care about the in communication idea that much, but your whole none mixherding philosophy is ridiculous

[cyan flame]

Like, I always tell my stego juvies, if you see anything, immediately hide, wallow if you can, go hide. Do not stick by me, I will keep the predator distracted, and so on.

So I have a plan, and any juvie tagging along with me, knows what to do, and what not to do.

[maiden anvil]

@hybrid matrix maybe during scent, hearing would increase a lot

[dim ore]

i would be open to the idea of herbivores of certain species ( ones with a symbiotic relationship maybe?) being able to communicate to each other within a limited distance.

[maiden anvil]

Idk

[cyan flame]

Maybe I'm just bad at explaning :D

[barren zephyr]

Species, number and threats, environment. Most carnivores aren't going to settle for a simple child snack, if they attack a big herd they're most likely going for something bigger

[cyan flame]

No it's not. Mixherding is bad, simple as that. Mixpacking is bad, simple as that.

[worn pumice]

I mean when im a stego i always have a plan for what to do if a carni attacks

[cyan flame]

And none of that matter for your defensive strategies, any more than it matters for their attack. Numbers, species, environment goes for both sides?

There's no difference between the attacker and the defender when it comes to taking numbers, species, and everything else into account.

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like that could be a separate perk that u cant get if u have the hearing perk
u either specialize in hearing or u concentrate ur senses (this would mean u could hear slightly better and smell slightly farther)

anyway

[maiden anvil]

^^^

[barren zephyr]

again, the carnivores already know and have planned out what they need to do, they wouldn't run full speed into a large herd knowing there's a large herd without a plan of attack

[hybrid matrix]

basically small dinos can (passively) focus their hearing and then boost it with a perk

[midnight verge]

that explains nothing

[hybrid matrix]

hang on

[cyan flame]

And the large herd would have a plan of what to do when the predators attack. There is no difference there. And certainly no difference if it's solo or mixed anyway, which was the thing with communication. If you're panicing, you're not gonna have a time to stop and chat anyway?

[hybrid matrix]

it starts at this message
#general-feedback-discussion message

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes, I too love roaming around with my tenonto friends just to be ganged in by Carnos and killed

[hybrid matrix]

mixherding is an actual real life thing that animals do

[barren zephyr]

EXACTLY

[cyan flame]

Maybe if you planned things out, you wouldn't end up that badly, though carnos do have a slight advantage over tennos, but you can have more tennos han they can have carnos so there is that.

[hybrid matrix]

not a ton of animals do it

[worn pumice]

mixherding is a real thing that works so its not exactly bad

[cyan flame]

Be that as it may, irl animals also run 99% of the time, despite outnumbering the predators, and so on.

I'm putting balance and what I consider fun over realism in this case I guess :p

[hybrid matrix]

but i think zebras, wildebeest, and maybe gazelles herd together sometimes

[worn pumice]

this is because usually the predator is smarter then the herd

if the herd is smart they will stand their ground

[cyan flame]

Possibly, I couldn't tell you how they think, but we can look and say "well, if all those x ganged up on the y" and all that :p

[maiden anvil]

Hey dudes! I figured out it will be easier to group up once the diet system is out. You know, there be certain places for different species of herbivores like tenos will be at swamps and therefore can find each other better there

[barren zephyr]

This is where I leave the convo because I can't deal with this, I really can't. If I'm not getting through to you I don't know what will. There is no issue with mixherding or mix hunting, and there should always be a way to know what you need to do

[hybrid matrix]

this is true

[worn pumice]

Like a good example of what im tryna say is take Bison. Bison can easily kill a wolf but they still run right. If herbivore outsmarts the predator then no preds would be alive today

[maiden anvil]

^

[barren zephyr]

Nothing about balance is saying some hypsis with some stegos will break the fucking game

[hybrid matrix]

dryos and stegos should definitely have a diet that keeps them near each other

[cyan flame]

There is absolutely an issue with mixpacking, and mixherding. Hell, even official rules do not approve of mixpacking and some mixherding. And you do know what to do, no idea why you wouldn't. But apparently we can't get through to each other, no idea why honestly.

[cyan flame]

Pretty much. Now, since we're intelligent, we'll have to take that into account for the game balance, that was sort of my point. :p

[barren zephyr]

Mix hunting, not mix packing, anyways, adios

[cyan flame]

No differene in mixhunting/mixpackning if preds are mixing? :p

[worn pumice]

mix hunting/packing is bad

very bad

[hybrid matrix]

carnivores mixing is bad

[cyan flame]

The point of mixing is to utilize each others strenghts and cover each others weaknesses, no matter with side you're on, carni or herbi.

[worn pumice]

^

[cyan flame]

And if it's bad in one case, it's bad in the other. It works the same for both sides.

[hybrid matrix]

THATS EXACTLY WHY ITS A GOOD THING
THATS WHY HERBIVORES DO IT
THATS WHY THEY SHOULD DO IT
THATS NOT A BAD THING THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF MIXED HERDS

[cyan flame]

We might just be a bit more biased towards herbi mixing for some reason.

[worn pumice]

caps

lol

[cyan flame]

But thats bad, because it breaks balance

[hybrid matrix]

i agree not all herbivores should mix

[cyan flame]

That is exactly why its bad

[hybrid matrix]

trikes and shants, thats a no

[cyan flame]

Carnis mix too you know

[vale pawn]

herbivores today mixpack

[hybrid matrix]

but stegos and dryos, thats a yes

[cyan flame]

So we should allow that too then

Just saying :p

[worn pumice]

well tbf usually the smaller dinos will go with the big dinos

[hybrid matrix]

certain herbivores are going to want to mix with each other

seriously

[worn pumice]

a good example of this is a big predator and a scavenger

[cyan flame]

Carnis and herbis both reason like that, cover each others weaknesses, but that does break balance, in both cases, and so I will consider it bad.

Simply because human mind behind it

[brave rampart]

Mixherding is absolutely not an issue unless it becomes Mega-mixherding

[cyan flame]

Which means behaviours that are more likely to break balance than what happens in nature

[worn pumice]

So in conclusion mixpacking/herding is a real thing but would it be bad for balance? probably

[brave rampart]

It should be diet based

[hybrid matrix]

tf is a para supposed to do if it cant herd with something that could defend it

[cyan flame]

It's still an issue, has nothing to do with mega, that's an entirely different issue

[brittle sail]

We are putting a lot of faith in this diet update - I hope it delivers

[hybrid matrix]

YES

[worn pumice]

same

[cyan flame]

And yes, I think we all have hopes for the diet thing :p

[brave rampart]

Explain how it's an issue, please.

[hybrid matrix]

no its not an issue bc then u could chose wut dinos share a diet meaning natural herds would form

so dryos and stegos could herd

[worn pumice]

im very interested on diets for herbivores because this is the chance to change things and make herbivore gameplay fun

[brittle sail]

that said, I totally think regional diets might help - regional overlap might help create natural nesting hotspots too; because at the end of the day I hope herbi mixes still pop up

[cyan flame]

Alright, trike + stego + 2 paras, one of each. You're an allo group. how you wanna deal with that, you could hunt the paras, but not trike and stego, because they're balanced for way worse.

[hybrid matrix]

yes but with diets that wont happen

[brave rampart]

^

Also

[worn pumice]

^

[hybrid matrix]

ppl will wanna follow their diets

[cyan flame]

Yes, I'm just saying mixing is an issue, you're saying some mixups are less bad than others :p

[brave rampart]

Target the paras and bait the triceratops

Or whatever

[worn pumice]

ppl r gonna follow diets to get to elder perks etc

[cyan flame]

Oh yes, because clearly they'll be stupid about it Rick :p

[hybrid matrix]

so that means ppl will only herd with ppl who share a diet

ok look this convo is going nowhere

lets talk about smthn else

like boosted hearing for small herbivores

[brave rampart]

Doesn't matter if they'll be stupid about it or not lol

[brittle sail]

I mean, I hope herds still nest together; be kind of lame if they don't - I see it from the carnivore PoV tho

[cyan flame]

Diets could absolutely keep x and y species separated, we just disagree on if any/which should be allowd to be near each other :p

[brave rampart]

You can still hunt the paras

[cyan flame]

Of course it does, if they're smart, you won't be able to do anything

[hybrid matrix]

guys

[brave rampart]

Doesnt have to be "oh woe is me, I was seen"

[worn pumice]

mix herding for specific herbis makes sense imo

[hybrid matrix]

this isnt gonna get us anywhere

[brave rampart]

Well

[worn pumice]

but not for say 3 trikes a stego and 4 shants

thats broken

[brave rampart]

Imagine the amount of food that herd would need lmao

[worn pumice]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

wut do u think about a passive hearing boost for small herbis like dryo

[cyan flame]

I simply consider any sort of mixing more or less broken :)

[hybrid matrix]

essentially if u face an ear in the direction of a sound, that sound is amplified just enough that u can guess wut ur hearing

but

[brittle sail]

ok

[worn pumice]

See i agree with u somewhat, like is trike and stego too op? yes but is a stego and dryo op? not rly and in that case it works imo

[hybrid matrix]

theres a hearing perk that allows u to boost this ability

[cyan flame]

Main problem I see is that you will figure out ways to utilize it that'll make it broken, it's not just about combat for that matter, scouting, if we go with Derps idea, senses. And so on. But we'll have to see I guess, I'll stand by that it should be species vs species, not faction vs faction. And that if carni mixing is bad, so is herbi. Otherwise we can allow a rex to mix with utahs maybe, or at least other small carnis. :p

[hybrid matrix]

so if u face ur ear to a sound, the sound is amplified enough to get ur attention, and as u focus on that sound (keeping ur ear towards it) it gets louder and louder until its clear enough for u to kno wut ur hearing (so if its footsteps u can hear how big it is)

[brave rampart]

Scouting

That could be the same for Ptera

[worn pumice]

ptera moment

[brave rampart]

But were adding it hey

[cyan flame]

Among other things yes. We'll see what pteras will do for that moment.

[worn pumice]

i still see dryo perfectly fine

[brave rampart]

Scouting really isnt an issue and should be against the rules

[worn pumice]

it cant get in the way of combat

[cyan flame]

Should be interesting enough, same with deino for that matter :p

[brave rampart]

Deino as a scout?

[cyan flame]

MAybe you've had a different experience than I have, but scouting has been an issue for me, so there is that. :p

No..

[hybrid matrix]

it could hide under water tho

[mild socket]

i like seasonal ideas, similar to what they want to do in the future

[cyan flame]

Though Derp have a point there, I meant mixing in general :p

[hybrid matrix]

wut point r u talking about

[cyan flame]

As in, it'll be interesting to see what people will do with deino + the rest, since we have no diets or rules as of yet

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[cyan flame]

Hiding underwater to look around :p

[worn pumice]

i still think certain herbis mixing together is fine we just dont want like 5 trikes and 4 shants lol

[hybrid matrix]

ok well since nobody has said anything negative about the hearing idea ima post it

[brave rampart]

Hiding underwater really doesn't mean anything unless they stay at the water

[brittle sail]

Alright - but can you consider this from a gameplay perspective? This isn't like BoB where you have built in dino profiles, in your ideal world if I am playing X dino (even a herbi) and my buddy hops on to play Y dino, the only way we can play together is if one of us takes a running jump at a cliff. RIP to the people that don't have multiple copies of the isle or have any value of their own time

[brave rampart]

But then again that could be said for every dino

[cyan flame]

Anyway, I like the idea of dryo having some sort of specific hearing, I would like it for nightvision too. If only because I want a proper night time ecosystem of sorts :)

[hybrid matrix]

well no its not just for dryo

it would be for other small herbis

hypsis could have this

[worn pumice]

^

[brave rampart]

Mixherding will strictly depend on the environment

And so will mixpacking

[hybrid matrix]

im just using dryos as an example since rn they dont have anything going for them

[brave rampart]

If X groups with Y, the environment has to supply the amount of food inorder to keep them grouped

If it doesn't

They'll have to split

Diets will INCREASE this by a LOT

[cyan flame]

That's a point, but I would say different servers, or we might even get slots in the future, at least for unofficial ones. But I would still prioritize in game balance over that. Gameplay/balance take precedence to me over the discomfort of having to change, and I know what that's like, I've thrown away gigas and rexes to go dryo and pachy and things for friends.

[cyan flame]

Dryos need a better dodge to begin with!

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but they wont need dodge at all if they have super hearing

[cyan flame]

Crouching and sneaking is a thing :p

[brittle sail]

as long as they find a way to make it so that there are enviroments that support combinations of most dinos (like not all at once, maybe just a place where X can always be with Y) then I'm fine with it. Like a venn diagram - Erik's idea of some lame pie chart where each species can live in a certain quadrant only is counter intuitive to me.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but if u have the hearing perk then u can hear crouch walkers

unless

[cyan flame]

I could see the hearing work for normal footsteps, and maybe if you're very close as dryo, then for crouched too. But if you're that close, you're probably dead anyway :p

[hybrid matrix]

those crouch walkers are small

if their big then it'll be hearable

[brave rampart]

Yeah there really needs to be the hotspot where herbivores of different species can meet to nest

Itll also help in finding group members

[cyan flame]

Not saying they can't live in x or y area, just that they should not stick together or help each other out :p

Just put food dispersed, so you'd have to be away from the others to get food, and thus have to rely on yourself, and it migh be good enough

[brittle sail]

I like that, like there will be natural "Great Falls" and hotspots where you'll know you can always find activity.

[cyan flame]

Can still live in the same general area

Hotspots also bad btw :p

[brave rampart]

I hope there will be seasons along with diets

[cyan flame]

Makes the rest of the map empty :/

[brave rampart]

Not really

Not when theres diets

Diets are meant to keep X moving

[cyan flame]

I wouldn't count on diets fixing everything :p

[brave rampart]

They will fix lots of things

Especially "mixherding"
Or atleast decrease it

[cyan flame]

We'll see.. :p

[brave rampart]

And afk growing

[brittle sail]

Yeah I get it homie, you don't people playing together. Message received but you're not budging - your response to my point about having fun in a game was "that's a point but it changes my opinion 0"

[cyan flame]

I'm possibly more cynical than you are at this point in time

[brittle sail]

So at this point I'm just partial to moving on in the conversation without you since you're just anchoring us back to "no interaction allowed unless MURDER"

[brave rampart]

Having no hotspots would not be fun imho

There needs to be a specific place that has the MOST activity
Aka a hotspot

It would help with grouping

[cyan flame]

I don't mind you playing with your own species. So you're fine playing together with others :) And I got the point, my counter was that to me, my point is what I consider fun and thus important. At least more so. So it takes priority.

[brave rampart]

Which in turn makes the consumer happy because X can finally group with another X

[cyan flame]

And I did not say murder at any point, I said passive tolerance was fine :)

[brittle sail]

🙄

[barren zephyr]

Although I see your point, I feel that hotspots should still exist. I dislike wandering around the map for hours trying to find people.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough, perhaps more hotspots, I just want the whole map used, not just a few areas and then the rest empty like it's been on legacy you know.

[barren zephyr]

Yes, this too ^.

[brittle sail]

I like that with variable plants - maybe seasons like you said earlier - they can just change the plantlife and shift the entire ecosystem to new places.

[cyan flame]

I agree with the issue, but I want it to be solved differently I guess :p

[barren zephyr]

I understand.

[valid elk]

Wanna point out that Pteranodon has better stamina in flying compared to birds today.

[brittle sail]

like "oh Great Falls 2.0 is too busy, let's move the plant concentration to Spire so they start grouping there"

[barren zephyr]

Maybe they could be making more hotspots, but then again it's really up to the players to decide where the hotspot is I guess.

Tricky to solve that issue I guess.

[brittle sail]

And you could have it be seasonal if that's something they want - or after a storm the plantlife is more abundant in natural ravines and less abundant on hills due to runoff

[barren zephyr]

Ooooh.

I like that.

[cyan flame]

I don't know what you want me to say. I agree that throwing your dino away to play with a friend is shitty. I simply think mixing is a shittier thing to experience. I wouldn't mind if we got slots, or something, but then I've seen people disapprove of that idea very heavily. I do understand the idea of wanting to play with your friends, but again, to me there are simply other things I think are more important for fun and balance in general in the game.

[brittle sail]

Total variable playstyle

[barren zephyr]

There could also be regional storms, or maybe even a little flooding?

[brittle sail]

Yeah for sure - it all depends on how they go about the dieting system

[quartz lantern]

@shell bronze may want to delete your comment in there and put it in here 🙂 before a mod deletes it

[cyan flame]

I just have had far too many times where it's been "Oh, this place is pretty/great with food/hideout" and.. well, no one ever comes by. It just.. it's fine to move every now and then, but I like to be able to keep a territory and so as well. And not have to rely on sheer luck or ai for something to come by to interact with :p

[shell bronze]

thxz

[light carbon]

i wish they make ptera flying mechanics somewhat real, the animations smooth and e.x., i dont want it too feel like you are just moving in the sky, but actually flying. For comparison: flying with Elytras in minecraft and flying in creative, should feel like 1st.

[quartz lantern]

Yup ☺️

[barren zephyr]

Curious to see on how they execute all of this, I for one really enjoy the idea of regional storms which makes plant life more abundant in an area, or flooding to get people to move away from X.

[brittle sail]

Or you could have droughts that reduce plantlife nearly everywhere and force people to spread out, abolishing the existence of hotspots (a healthy middle @cyan flame ?)

[barren zephyr]

I totally understand where you're coming from.

[hybrid matrix]

aight
the hearing suggestion is done

ima go eat my lunch now bc im starving

[brittle sail]

lets the groupers have fun when it's rainy season, but come dry season the herds have to split up since there isn't enough plantlife for them to all live together

[hybrid matrix]

lemme kno wut u think in the reactions

[shell bronze]

@dim ore just wanted to give you a headsup they are already working on rivers like i think dondi is working on them whenever they can but the water and swiming and all that is going to have much more texture

[cyan flame]

Possibly. I don't really have a good solution myself, but like I just explained, I personally wish that the whole map was used, and not that a few spots are always active, and the rest is basically "random person once in a blue moon" visit :p

[brittle sail]

(I'm tailoring these ideas towards herbivore mix packing since carnivore mixpacking doesn't affect me as much since they tend to eat each other)

[cyan flame]

Also had bad luck with Great falls for that matter :p

[mild socket]

It makes sense. Dinos liek dryo were kept around bigger herbies like stego for their better eyesight and hearing. Makes sense for dryos to have really good predator sensing ability

[barren zephyr]

Path of Titans suffers from the hotspot issue too, the map is so big and you hardly ever find anyone. Although there is a map, it's still difficult imo.

Most people are up in the middle.

[brittle sail]

Yeah I see what you mean - I think hotspots are definitely useful for the social aspect of the game, as well as the longevity of the experience. So to avoid only using one quadrant I propose that weather affect plantlife in a way that shifts the A) location of the "regular" hotspots or B) the existence of hotspots entirely, that they can only exist when the weather makes it feasible to feed many different mouths in a small area

Could make hunting as a carnivore more interactive too "oh it just rained, herbis are going to be grouping up - maybe I can catch one on rotation before they make a herd" or "hey, it's a drought - the big herbivores will be seperating from the herd because there isn't enough food, now's the time to hunt"

[barren zephyr]

Ooh droughts would definitely be interesting.

[cyan flame]

That would be nice yes :) Bit more of a plan before a hunt

[barren zephyr]

More strategy and gameplay.

[cyan flame]

How about that, something we can agree on maybe :)

Because that sounds really good to me

[brittle sail]

yee, trying to find a healthy middle between "no species mixing" and "let them live together 4ever"

Because I do agree, it can be quite a pain to play a mid tier and know that all the herbivores your size are constantly under the watchful eye of something that can turn you into a kebab

[cyan flame]

Maybe when corpseguarding isn't so much a thing, that'll help a bit too :p

[mild socket]

supposeldly they want to implement wildfires, droughts, thunderstorms, and more but that's far off now

[brittle sail]

Yeah I'm looking forward to a more dynamic world

[cyan flame]

Wildfires I doubt, performance would be an issue. But droughts/floods should be a thing. Maybe thunderstorms too, though hopefully no random death by angry thunder god :p

[worn pumice]

why can’t stego pounce

[mild socket]

hopefully the diet system will get rid of toomany hotspots

[worn pumice]

Same

I don’t like hot spots

It’s like if u ever wanna meet anything

U have to go to a certain place

It’s rly annoying

[cyan flame]

I just want proper herbi competition. One good thing about the no bush respawn period at least :p

[worn pumice]

Diets will be the game changer

If they get it right

[cyan flame]

Emphasis on "if".. :p

[worn pumice]

[cyan flame]

Fine, I'll try and be more positive!

[worn pumice]

Hopefully they get it right

Hopefully

[brittle sail]

It's going to be a rough time - now we all say we want them to get it right, but come the diet update people are going to be hella trying to rush the team I think. It's a huge gameplay update, and people are going to get impatient since it'll be the first terrestial carnivore in (possibly) more than half a year

[urban flax]

As good as enhanced hearing is, it can be very confusing for the player. Like, you hear something at a steady distance, and it sounds like it's approaching

[brittle sail]

Well probably most definitely more than half a year since I don't see them pushing U3, U4, U5 out in the next 3 months

[cyan flame]

We're getting perks before that, and fractures. New balance nightmare there, and then magy with the diets, however that's going to end. Yeah, it might take a while before we're there.

[brave rampart]

@barren zephyr

Theres a thing called dev streams and shit that you can watch to see development

They arent going to have pics to post all the damn time

[worn pumice]

@barren zephyr like what rick said dev streams are thing

all updates take long because the dev team is small

atm

[cobalt compass]

@barren zephyr you've been shown "trivial" stuff that still adds to the game and is safe to be shown. it'd be pretty dangerous to show crucial parts like coding, the mysterious thing that takes most of the time nobody sees aside the dev team.

[brave rampart]

Yes

[worn pumice]

im familiar with animating as ive made things myself but no coding

[brave rampart]

And we know that update 3, which includes 2 new AI, 2 new movement systems, etc will take a lot of your damn time lol

[urban flax]

By the way they're mostly showing trivial things because they're in the phase of testing bugs right now

[cobalt compass]

not particular with UE but programming basics

[urban flax]

And pteras crashing and chasing dryos is bug testing

[worn pumice]

I do know for a fact that coding is very time consuming

[cobalt compass]

if you have above average knowledge of programming, jack, send your resume at
[e-mail]

may i ask which that is?

[worn pumice]

pretty sure u can ping punch in isle discussion if u wish to speak to a dev

[icy lion]

"Its very possible im ignorant to the work being done" you are

development is slow, much slower than was promised in the past, i get that, but work is being done

bux fixes arent something you can really post in phase 2

[brave rampart]

Ok

[icy lion]

yikes

[odd sedge]

Oof

[worn pumice]

when you post an opinion online "buddy" you should expect criticism that is how this works

[brave rampart]

^

[icy lion]

this is feedback discussion not "developer responses"

[worn pumice]

plus time consuming things will not make for a very good stream

[icy lion]

and like i said

[quartz lantern]

[icy lion]

bug fixes arent phase 2 content

[worn pumice]

^

[quartz lantern]

Jack, i get that you're upset at the game timeline, as are many people. But insulting them and insulting those who are trying to inform you, whether you know the fact or not, is unproductive and rude. Act like an adult to be treated like an adult please

[merry roost]

alright cheese what the hell did i walk into

[brave rampart]

You walked into

...

Cheese

[quartz lantern]

I am indeed Cheese

[worn pumice]

lol

[cobalt compass]

I am a little disappointed Jack didnt aswer my question in which profession their making money...

[quartz lantern]

eh, none of our business

[brave rampart]

Is what it is

[worn pumice]

i rly hope he knows not everyone here is 7 years old lol

[quartz lantern]

I work in the car industry where releasing a new car takes 10-15yrs of R&D, Design, Tests, etc...development of the isle is fast compared to that

[cobalt compass]

with their question about our credibility in terms of coding i guess i had a valid question myself

[merry roost]

https://tenor.com/view/anyway-david-spade-dennis-finch-just-shoot-me-so-gif-16383851

[brave rampart]

Anyway

[worn pumice]

So

The spawn zones thing

[merry roost]

idk