general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

not this meme

[worn pumice]

lol u rly added flushed

[urban flax]

This place was a sancturay until now

[elder rivet]

tell me about it

[urban flax]

Drip imma go to your house at midnight and murder you with a rusted spoon

And you could scream "sus" as much as you want, it won't save you

[elder rivet]

you can't murder 3 burning robotic eyes

[worn pumice]

i miss the blue version

go back to that

[elder rivet]

because i'm not alive 😄(my pfp)

[worn pumice]

[elder rivet]

No because it's not raining season anymore where i live

[celest furnace]

1. It’s a sauropod!
2. It’s a small sauropod, unlike cams and puerto it can actually fear something, something is actually gonna want to fight it
3. The fact that they can attract the sauropod lovers and make it small enough to have mid-tier playing style is great!
4. ITS SO COOL

[urban flax]

Dude I'm a skeleton. I can murder anything

[worn pumice]

the fact that magy's biggest predator was a god damn pterasaur turns me off so hard

[barren zephyr]

Do NoT dOuBt MaGy, ItS aS bIg As A bUfFaLo

[worn pumice]

but im interested to see how magy will be viable

[barren zephyr]

*if

[worn pumice]

u didnt have to murder magy like that

[barren zephyr]

Sorry man, no hope for the corpse litter of the Isle

[worn pumice]

honestly i feel like a buffalo has a good chance of killing a magy

[celest furnace]

Magy is boss in my eyes

[worn pumice]

no cap

[celest furnace]

Super underrated

[worn pumice]

its not super underrated its just bad lmao

[elder rivet]

wait if magy is able to run away from allo using a stun, what's the point of going cera if magy can either run away knocking you down or fight back

[urban flax]

[zenith scroll]

@idle crescent the reason scars are on the player model is because you are still not a full health, you are still technically injured

[barren zephyr]

I don't doubt it could defend itself against some things, but that isn't good enough to be viable

[worn pumice]

irl magy wouldnt stand a chance in the isle but luckily since this is a game they can give it stuff

[celest furnace]

I’m biased because I’m a mid tier player. I do t like being tiny and I suck at being apex, I love hadrosaurs and sauropod so if they can make a mid tier sauropod it’s a dream come true for me.

[barren zephyr]

I'm also a mid tier player and I know when one is probably gonna suck

[worn pumice]

magy is so small like look at this

[urban flax]

Actually I don't really see it losing to a cerato

[worn pumice]

i fear for magy when its in

[celest furnace]

I know! It can be as strong as a teno! Maybe a tad stronger!

[worn pumice]

they have to make it stronger then teno its the only way

[celest furnace]

Everyone can have their opinion. I’m great at that kind of combating

[urban flax]

For me Magy will be like a boar. Small and not very fast but tough as hell and strong enough to put up a fight with things much larger than itself

[worn pumice]

^ hopefully this is true

hopefully

[celest furnace]

Me too!

They also said magy would have unsavory taste, maybe less preds would hunt it due to diets

[urban flax]

Since they refused to make it have toxic skin (thankfully) that's very likely the direction they are going

[barren zephyr]

Most people are going to kill them out of spite they can't eat it

[worn pumice]

see not being able to eat it it would make it be avoided slightly but ppl would just kill it for fun so lets see what they add to it

[zenith scroll]

what are you people on about its a slow and small sauropod its going to get bodied by things larger than it

[celest furnace]

Wdym? There has to be some dinos that don’t want to eat magy.

[worn pumice]

No i mean ppl just kill for fun

ppl are assholes so

[celest furnace]

I know they do

[worn pumice]

i am too sometimes lol

[elder rivet]

rules will probably save magy but it's better that they make magy viable in terms of mechanics not in terms of rules or else it'll just be another legacy sucho

[celest furnace]

I try my best not to

[barren zephyr]

I mean, I agree, but the game is too boring to do anything else rn

[zenith scroll]

that makes no sense everything should be able to be killed by something

[worn pumice]

yup thats why im an asshole with them lol

[celest furnace]

On any server that allows it, I’ll be friendly to car is and all her is alike

[urban flax]

Anky won't be bodied by things larger than it. That's the point of being slow, you trade speed for strenght and armor

[worn pumice]

i rly do fear for magy tho

[celest furnace]

Well I love it

[zenith scroll]

well.... magy doesnt have armor

[barren zephyr]

It's not even as big as a Carno

[civic carbon]

nor does it have a tail club lol

[urban flax]

It does
Osteoderms and thick skin

And I think it has some spikes too

[zenith scroll]

nor does it have even a long tail so tail attacks are out of the question

[worn pumice]

magy has a few sharp osteoderms which are shown to cause bleed in the concept

[civic carbon]

magy is probably just gonna be a CC monster, and can really only deter predators and hope for the best

[worn pumice]

but its not enough

it needs more

[urban flax]

But it is light enough and has long legs to use its whole body to attack, with shoulder or body bashes

[left nacelle]

Yeah, you're right. But pteranodon picking up things isn't a horror feature, and it could be used to troll. We're going to be getting plenty of horror features in the future

[elder rivet]

magy would stun something with a shoulder check, apply a very tiny amount of bleed to it to outstam preds better, and run away

[worn pumice]

the issue with putting a dwarf sauropod in the isle is that it cant defend itself

[urban flax]

I see magy bonebreaking small predators too

[celest furnace]

Don’t forget diets! Sure you might be a jerk and will kill for sport, but most probably you will be hunting for food if you’re trying to survive, and it clearly states that magy has a DISPOSITION as unsavory as it’s taste. MEANING it can put up a fight, AND it doesn’t taste very good, that might be its perks

[civic carbon]

won't stop people from kfsing lol

[worn pumice]

im sorry but ppl will use magy for target practice a lot

this is the isle lol

ive seen a stego track down a utah with low stam and kill it

[celest furnace]

Well I’ll make sure to become a magy main and fight off any jerk press

[zenith scroll]

this is a survival game if you get killed it was probably your fault

[civic carbon]

^

[worn pumice]

if magy can somehow survive allo and alberto

it should be ok

[celest furnace]

Unless a Rex noms you

[zenith scroll]

it shouldnt

[celest furnace]

Any who

I gtg

Bye everyone

[civic carbon]

magy can literally only use CC to deter larger predators like allo and alberto

[urban flax]

I'm with you on this
Even if I don't play magy, I'll be surveying the skies as a ptera to spot criminals for you to bring righteous judgement to

[barren zephyr]

People killing Magys will either be Ceras or will already have 3 bodies about 200m away from where they find you

[civic carbon]

that's about all you can do with it, other then upsize it, which would just prove the point of it being useless

[celest furnace]

Tysm! We need more people like you LOL

[worn pumice]

if they upsize it then ig that works

but at that point they could've picked something better

[urban flax]

😛

[zenith scroll]

crowd control will be weak 1v1, the whole point of it is to counter a collective

[urban flax]

crowd control in video games means preventing one or plural enemies from moving or acting

[barren zephyr]

At that point it'd look stupid and still technically be unviable, they should've just picked bajadosaurus or one of the many other smaller sauropods that could actually defend themselves

[worn pumice]

exactly

[zenith scroll]

yes I understand that but tell how would it stun something

[elder rivet]

If you look at it it shows that the cera has cuts on the middle left concept

[worn pumice]

if it does CC with shoulder check that would help

[zenith scroll]

and how would it counter an allo grappled to its neck?

[elder rivet]

Magy can also just stun allo and alberto with cc, apply bleed to stop stamina regen from preds for a small while, and run away

[worn pumice]

but how are they gonna make it escape allo or carno

[urban flax]

Maybe not alberto

[elder rivet]

neck bash or just turn around and use a shoulder check

[celest furnace]

What are Magy’s attacks gonna be? I think one should be stomp and the other should be tail swipe, what do you think?

[barren zephyr]

What does it do against Carno who is both faster and will 100% be able to stun it due to its weight

[zenith scroll]

tail swipe wouldnt do anything

[worn pumice]

alberto and allo are a decent size bigger then magy so

[elder rivet]

alberto is smaller than allo

[urban flax]

It may not counter an applo grappled to its neck, the point of fighting and crowd control is to prevent the enemy from giving you a lethal blow

[celest furnace]

Wdym

[urban flax]

Seriously ? I thought it was bigger

[celest furnace]

And what would you put instead?

[civic carbon]

alberto is a little taller then allo

[urban flax]

Magy's tail is too short for a tail swipe

[civic carbon]

allo is heavier

[worn pumice]

allo is heavier

[elder rivet]

bruh look at the length of the tail

[celest furnace]

It’s as long as the neck “bruh”

[urban flax]

Magy will likely get a nasty bite, a shoulder check, and maybe a stomp or a charge

[celest furnace]

Even longer

[worn pumice]

a tail slap would be cool

[celest furnace]

Ikr!

[barren zephyr]

If it has an even 50/50 fight with cera which isn't supposed to be able to even fight these other predators alone, what can Magy do to it?

[elder rivet]

why do you think it can't have a tail whip

[zenith scroll]

remeber thats not based off of the game but rather irl size so it might be different in game

[civic carbon]

if magy can rear its neck up, it could probably knock an allo away for a few seconds

[elder rivet]

stun and run away

[worn pumice]

so far everything in the game is accurate size

[urban flax]

I thought its tail was shorter than that. Well maybe it could have a tail swipe, but not its strongest attack

[worn pumice]

teno and carno are going to their accurate sizes in update 3

[celest furnace]

Or It can stomp them and they are stunned, just like teno and Utah

[barren zephyr]

Run away from a Carno?

[urban flax]

Carno will lose to magy, it's supposed to hunt prey smaller than this

[worn pumice]

i rly wanna see how its gonna counteract allo

carno i can soo

see*

but allo is heavier then magy and much stronger

[celest furnace]

Aight ima go play the isle, see y’all later

[elder rivet]

again, stun and run away. They can just give magy more health than weight so that carno can't facetank it

[urban flax]

see ya !

[celest furnace]

😁

[worn pumice]

magy is coming somewhat soon right

[celest furnace]

Erm

I don’t know

Update 4 is gonna take a bit

[elder rivet]

If we're lucky in half a year

[celest furnace]

Maybe as long as update 3

And magy is update 5

So

[worn pumice]

ima say 6-8 months

[celest furnace]

Maybe this fall?

[worn pumice]

in isle time it isnt that long

after waiting 2 years for evirma to release nothing is long anymore lol

[urban flax]

Seems fair

[barren zephyr]

It's supposed to and it can are far different. Many Carno players (including myself, hi) have and can kill stegosaurus which are supposed to be safe from anything but Carno and Utah packs, I as a lone Carno could definitely wipe the floor with a Magy, not to mention if there's someone with me which I usually roll alone but isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[worn pumice]

update 4 is very mechanical based and will def take a good chunk of time

[celest furnace]

Imagine how much faster the dinos and updates would go if they hired more people

[worn pumice]

^

12 or how ever many devs they have arent enough

hopefully they hire more

[celest furnace]

Ikr

[urban flax]

Well carnos beat stegos because stego is broken atm

[worn pumice]

stego rn is broken

hit box is broken

its strange

[celest furnace]

Stego will easily beat carno when it gets fixed

[barren zephyr]

I do it without abusing hitboxes and know people who can too

[worn pumice]

stego should be competing with stuff like rex

rn its weak prolly cuz they didnt wanna make it very strong

[celest furnace]

Agreed

[worn pumice]

its hitbox needs fixing tho and same with its locational dmg

[urban flax]

Yeah but it has also lowered damage and health, and without abusing hitboxes, stego may have bugs on its own preventing hits that should have landed to deal damage

[celest furnace]

Yup because nothing can really fight it withought 2 shots

[worn pumice]

its thagomizer should be taking very little dmg but it takes either more then 1.0 multiplier

or its hp is very low

the issue with it tho is pounce is broken so utahs destroy stegos in packs

and carnos can just abuse the hit box

[barren zephyr]

There's a much lower skill cap for things like Stego and most likely Magy compared to Carno, Teno ect. A good Magy shouldn't really beat a good Carno. If a Carno isn't good, it shouldn't fight the Magy, but 2 of them could rock its world easy peasy

[urban flax]

Carnos also deal a little too much damage with their bites atm

[worn pumice]

carnos should deal 250 dmg imo while having much more ram dmg

[urban flax]

^

[worn pumice]

this will promote the carno play style of hit and run

[barren zephyr]

I've got my fair share of bs hits and hits that should've hit. It's inconsistent enough of both ends to be considered balanced

[urban flax]

Maybe we could take about balance once it isn't bugged anymore then

[barren zephyr]

Magy will be B tier at the highest, I stand my ground on this fact

Only time will tell though

[urban flax]

The fact is that people complain about magy being weak so much that devs will get angry and give it stupid high stats so it can 1v1 a rex

[worn pumice]

the main issues rn with evirma is dc desync stuff like that but balance wise pounce, carno in general, and stego in general needs fixing

[barren zephyr]

Again, should've added Bajadosaurus who can fight off the things people complain about without looking ridiculous

[worn pumice]

diplo wen

[barren zephyr]

Hopefully when they add allo

[urban flax]

But bajadasaurus does look ridiculous

[worn pumice]

honestly they should've added stego with allo

but it is what is

[paper geyser]

bajada or amarga 👌

[barren zephyr]

Same, I agree. I don't like how all the casuals are playing Carno just cause its the biggest. They probably even didn't play Carno in legacy, fricken rex mains

[urban flax]

They'll all switch to deino once it's released

[worn pumice]

most of em are rex mains

its just a fact

[barren zephyr]

Until they realise they can't run around kosing everything that isn't a stego

[worn pumice]

and yep

they will all go to deino

as soon as its out

[urban flax]

I'll be soooo alone as a ptera...

[worn pumice]

eventually they may go to carno again cuz deino wont be for them cuz of its waitng play stye

[worn pumice]

nah ill be ptera just cuz theres gonna be way too many deinos

[urban flax]

well most rex mains like afk growing, it isn't very different from afk waiting for prey

[barren zephyr]

Some virgin I heard like 2 weeks ago:
Deino is gonna be so weak, it will have to wait to get food and probably starve all the time, they should have made it as fast as tenonto so it's fair

[worn pumice]

but the thing with deino is u cant afk that well

[urban flax]

fiar indeed

[worn pumice]

cuz u have to wait and watch

[urban flax]

fair*

Well if he meant as fast as tenonto in water then okay 😛

[worn pumice]

if a prey item comes and u miss ur chance then its over

[barren zephyr]

And it's your fault

[worn pumice]

i remember some talking about how deino should destroy apexes

smh

[barren zephyr]

Should've got it, should've been paying attention. I wouldn't doubt that a Deino could go around eating elite fish and stay okay with hunger

[urban flax]

well deino might be able to stand its ground against a rex

[worn pumice]

cant wait till ppl realize deino isnt godzilla its just a fat croc

i mean imo i think while deino can stand its ground against rex in the end i feel like rex would probably win

[barren zephyr]

Well if an idiot picks a fight a Deino it should be prepared to probably lose, Deinos bite force is insane, a Rex going after it should get absolutely clapped

[worn pumice]

if it goes into the water

yes

on land its a different story

[barren zephyr]

It can still hold its own on land

[worn pumice]

it wont die instantly obviously

but rex will have the advantage

[barren zephyr]

If a rex catches it on land its probably dead, but if its watching itself while wallowing it'll be able to easily protect itself and probably kill the Rex depending on the health it has left

[worn pumice]

if the deino is defensive it should be able to survive the rex on land

[urban flax]

By the way, I'd like it if rex gets a headbutt and a pin in evrima

[worn pumice]

forget a head but i hope it gets a special ability like crushing bite

[barren zephyr]

An aggro Deino should be clapped by everything biggish

[worn pumice]

deino if played defensivly on land should work

it wont be able to kill anything but it will survive

[urban flax]

Crushing bite isn't really a special ability
Irl rexes likely used their heads in fights and kicked their opponents

[worn pumice]

its kinda like lions and crocs today

kicked their opponents?

[urban flax]

And it would look super badass to see two rexes fighting, one toppling the other one over with a headbutt then pinning it to the ground and finishing it with a bite

[urban flax]

Pelontologists found a rex's toe claw marks on another rex's skull

[worn pumice]

headbutt can be a thing

yea but i doubt it kicked it lol

it probably managed to pin it

and clawed its head

[barren zephyr]

It was probably pinned down and kicked at the other rexes head

[urban flax]

Yeah I didn't mean high kick ^^

But pinning yes

[worn pumice]

ok lol was about to say

rex doing round house kicks

[urban flax]

Leave that to tisso rex 🙂

[worn pumice]

also ik it seems funny but maia is massive and much heavier then i thought

[urban flax]

Woah in doesn't even fits in the picture

Oh crap I didn't see it

My joke falls short

[worn pumice]

lol

its the neon ish blue in the back

3000 kg

its quite big

[barren zephyr]

I don't know how I feel about strains, maybe if successful dinos could be traded for genus points (ones that aren't elders and have good diet control) and then next time you get the chance to play elder you could play a strain instead?

[urban flax]

Meh I don't like it

[worn pumice]

honestly i dont know how strains are gonna work

[urban flax]

I feel like strains should really be something special, not something you just evolve into

[worn pumice]

^

[barren zephyr]

I generally think they aren't a good idea, but I'm trying to think of ways they could do it

[worn pumice]

remember that strains arent meant to be balanced

but it still should be something u earn

[urban flax]

Maybe there are strain plants around the map, and by eating their fruit some sort of cocoon forms around you (or the plant engulfs you) and then you are reborn as a strain

[barren zephyr]

Yeah so rex used it's feet to kick like a cassowary.

[worn pumice]

lol

[barren zephyr]

I'm personally not too fond of strains

[worn pumice]

same

[barren zephyr]

They're just

Do we really need them?

[urban flax]

Or, for carnies, if they cannot eat a fruit, you kill a hyper colossus, a neuro mastermind or a tisso reaper and the same thing happens when you eat their meat

[worn pumice]

maybe make it so like a strains hunger is like 1 minute long

so u constantly have to eat

[urban flax]

I like strains, they add some spice to the game

I bet they'll be very important for human gameplay

[urban flax]

Only Hypers

[worn pumice]

hypers yea

tisso and neuro

[wary sparrow]

I have nothing against strains but wouldn’t complain if they weren‘t a thing

[worn pumice]

their their own thing

honestly they need to get the dinosaur simulation right first

and then move onto other things

[barren zephyr]

Strains/humans are probably when I move onto BoB unless the official servers have them turned off. I want a good dinosaur game, not a good scifi star wars battle with prehistoric elements

[urban flax]

Well strains will probably be able to be deactivated as a server option

[worn pumice]

strains and stuff like humans will and can be disabled for servers

in the furture

futyere8

[urban flax]

I wouldn't mind strains to be limited to AI only though

[worn pumice]

future*

[urban flax]

And I think they will be enabled by default on all officials, because they are part of how the game is supposed to be played

[wary sparrow]

Well they are a part of the lore so obviously they‘ll be part of the official experience

[barren zephyr]

Le sigh, begins installing BoB

[paper geyser]

just play on servers that have them disabled

[wary sparrow]

You can still play on some other server without them though

[paper geyser]

the game won't change its ideas for new players that don't understand it

[urban flax]

Even as a dino sim, I doubt BoB will ever be as good as the Isle is in terms of mechanics and technology

[worn pumice]

just play on unofficial servers

not a big deal honestly

[barren zephyr]

I've seen videos, honestly at its current stage compared to the Isle at its current stage, it looks super fun

[wary sparrow]

Well BoB has decent mechanics atm compared to other Dino games but I’m certain it will be outclassed sooner or later

[wary sparrow]

Well if you want to play it go for it. We are just saying you don’t have to abandon the game Bc of humans and strains. You can still enjoy both games

[barren zephyr]

I'll just have to hope that there are populated servers with minimal rules AND strains/humans off

[paper geyser]

probably will be considering the amount of new players that don't like the idea

[urban flax]

Considering many players don't like strains nor humans, it is very likely that there will be such servers

[wary sparrow]

I‘m pretty sure there will. A bunch of people aren’t fond of them

[barren zephyr]

You know what? I'll even do the stupid fkin body down garbage if it means not having my experience ruined by seeing a naked man running around after having a near death fight with an allo

[urban flax]

I'm more worried about people leaving the officials because of strains and humans 😅

[worn pumice]

it will be a thing

lol

[paper geyser]

i'm glad we have a special place for those people

[worn pumice]

this is why unoffical servers are a thing

so

just join one u like

[paper geyser]

imagine trying to enjoy the game you've been following for years only to see people constantly whining in global about how they hate humans and strains

[worn pumice]

whenever evirma is in ater stages of development

[urban flax]

But I'm confident that once they are in, people who are waiting for the Isle to have those will buy it and populate officials

[worn pumice]

ah global chat

"He ruLBrOKe he KilLed ON boDy doWN

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, imagine there were only officials, the player base would probably half overnight after those updates

[worn pumice]

yup

lol

[paper geyser]

the playerbase would then hopefully be one that understands the game

[worn pumice]

global chat is helpful

but it can be annoying too

very annoying

[paper geyser]

baffles me how many people expect this to be a game just about dinosaur survival

[worn pumice]

i dont care about ur dog lemme play the game lol

[barren zephyr]

We don't, but we much prefer that

I've been playing since 2016, I know there has been humans planned and implemented along with strains, I just hate the idea

[low canopy]

it baffles me that some people think that only experience you should be having from this game is growing to 100% by afking and then kossing everything you see, (officials in a nutshell)

[worn pumice]

ive been playing all the way when it was just austro, rex, pue (F for pue), Shant, and carno

[paper geyser]

and there are a lot of people that bought the game yesterday and come in crying about how they don't want humans in

[plucky ridge]

My only concern is that pteranodon will not be able to do anything. Currently it just takes an hour to grow according to punchpacket because it can’t do much. It’s like being a herra in the legacy branch on a server that doesn’t allow you to hunt hatchlings. It then makes that dinosaur worthless and no point in adding it in. As far as trolling I don’t think that will be a problem for the fact the Forrest are so thick and with caves and such being implemented it won’t be easy for the pteranodon to get to nest. But I can understand what you are saying and appreciate the criticism 🙂

[worn pumice]

ptera can still hunt baby juvis technically

its weak but its not like the size of a pencil

it has sum use

[barren zephyr]

To be fair to them, they probably watched someone like the gaming beaver or player a similar game like PoT and saw that game, so this is the same to them

[paper geyser]

yeah i guess i can't blame them. A lot of it is the fault of youtubers and the general lack of advertising

[worn pumice]

anthomnia

lol

[paper geyser]

but hey, more money to the devs

whether people like it or hate it, money is in their pockets

[worn pumice]

true

they already got money anyways tbh

[urban flax]

The fact it cannot kill most dinos doesn't mean it can't do anything
Teno for example can only kill whatever attacks it and doesn't flee when it's losing, and it's still a good animal

[worn pumice]

just wait till bigger pterasaurs are added

ik quetz is very likely to make a come back

[paper geyser]

pretty sure quetz is soft confirmed

[worn pumice]

yea

[barren zephyr]

Already is confirmed iirc

[worn pumice]

i dont wanna say its confirmed but its very very likely its coming back

[vast wolf]

yeah were getting a large ahzdarchid

[worn pumice]

say that one more time

lol

[vast wolf]

either quetz hatz or some other comparably sized monster.

[urban flax]

Then we get sordes pilosus

[worn pumice]

pterasaur dog fights wen

[vast wolf]

azhdarchid*

[urban flax]

As soon as update 3 rolls out I guess

[worn pumice]

theres gonna be so many deinos

[vast wolf]

big gator cool weird bird not cool

[urban flax]

Gotta drink saltwater to be safe

[elder rivet]

they said they wanted all legacy dinos to be in evrima

[worn pumice]

almost every carno will move to deino

[vast wolf]

yeah all except pue

[worn pumice]

the only carnos staying are the real ones who main carno

[vast wolf]

just deino is much easier to deal with as its water locked and slow.

[paper geyser]

tap's hyper quetz 😩

[worn pumice]

true its water locked

although

i do fear for stego

hopefully deino cant face tank it

[vast wolf]

they want stego to fuck up deino.

[worn pumice]

in update 3 stego is getting heavier idk if that implies stat changes tho

i hope it does

stego isnt at its full potential

[vast wolf]

basically if the deino cant get it in water the stego is meant to win.

[worn pumice]

good

hopefully thats how it works

[plucky ridge]

Not sure what you are meaning

[worn pumice]

hes saying just becuz ptera cant fight things doesnt make it a bad dinosaur

[vast wolf]

ptera is a flying piscavorus scavenger

[worn pumice]

its like dryo dryo cant fight anything but its not a bad dino

ptera still has sum combat capabilities tho

[vast wolf]

yeah ptera will be a nuisance

[worn pumice]

^

it can and will peck juvis to death

[vast wolf]

some juvies gore fish and maybe hypsi will be its food

[plucky ridge]

I hope so cause it will be A shame if it just fly around eating dead bodies and fish. 

[worn pumice]

thank god we have physics tho i dont want a BoB ptera

[worn pumice]

wells that rly all u can do

u can kill juvis

but not much else

unless theres like

10 pteras

[vast wolf]

bob ptera is bullshit

[worn pumice]

^^^^^^^^^^

bob ptera does injury dmg

lmao

[vast wolf]

bob ptera can take out everything except apato because it cant actually hurt one.

[worn pumice]

^

bob's balance in general is wack

infinite growth is stupid

[vast wolf]

sais are also a no go for them but sai cant really hit one.

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[worn pumice]

sais mosas and apas get op with infinite growth

rex too

[elder rivet]

bob velo

[worn pumice]

bob velo was nerfed

[elder rivet]

#401464048610312195

[worn pumice]

bob is an acronym for the isle

trust me

[vast wolf]

ory pachy and lurdu are the ones that dont get super op with growth.

[elder rivet]

bob is the person behind the slaughter isle

[worn pumice]

who thought yk what lets have infinite growth

and lets have it scale with stats too

smart

[vast wolf]

ory becauuse its small and half as strong as velo but has pocket sand pachy is all talents and lurd is weak in general.

[worn pumice]

welp thats why were here

in the isL

e

[barren zephyr]

Ironically, itchy and lurdru are the most balanced and fun out of the BOB cast (but the worst dinos in the game) because they dont have stupid gimmicks that make them unfun to fight against

Basically being a normal animal makes you trash in BOB. It's like a MMO that uses dinos as its classes.

[left nacelle]

@idle crescent Devs have said no to that in the past. If scars remained after you healed, the server would need to be keep track of each animals' scars, the size of the scars, and their placement and it could cause server lag

[barren zephyr]

Just goes to show how complicated some "simple" features are.

Sucks because permeant scars would make the game a lot more immersive, do you know when they said this? Might have been when they were still working on legacy which has bad code.

[left nacelle]

Yeah it does suck. And yeah Dondi said this on stream not too long before evrima was released iirc. So it's a recent thing

In the future scars will be locational, so if you get bit on your tail, you'll have a wound on your tail, which I think is why this wouldn't work. Since the server would need to be track of the location and stuff, rather than just changing the texture of the scars we have in game now

[idle crescent]

Yet they currently do stay in the form of the red marks across your body. At least for a hour or so.

Which as was I was corrected earlier is due to it still being a injury debuff more than scars directly. Still leads to conflicting in-game information of the status of another creature imo

[tepid gate]

@chrome adder You should not be tagging developers over suggestions, they will read them when they have the time. Even more so in case of a suggestion like this that has been mentioned in that channel multiple times.

As for the suggestions itself - it has a lot of potential for griefing other players.

[celest furnace]

Who here kind of wants pachyrhinosaurus and corythosaurus to be added?

[urban flax]

I may be wrong but I think pachyrhino was planned at some point

[celest furnace]

Yup! It’s not even drawn yet though if I’m not mistaken

[urban flax]

As for corytho... maybe an additional hadrosaur wouldn't hurt, but for now I think there's already way enough planned dinos

[worn pumice]

I think there’s enough dinos coming

[celest furnace]

I agree

[worn pumice]

They just need to actually add them lol

[celest furnace]

I’m just saying in the much later stages of the game

[worn pumice]

In later stages they could add cory

[celest furnace]

Like in a few years

It would be cool

But for now it’s fine

All I really want is para, rhino, and proto

When do you think they’ll add all the ogs? For now the only ones that we have that were in legacy are Utah, carno and stego.

And dryo *

[worn pumice]

Hard to tell

Their very random

We weren’t supposed to get stego

But here we are

So idk anymore

And we were supposed to get sucho

But it got cut

Same with beipi

[celest furnace]

Why is that?

[left nacelle]

I doubt corythosaurus will be added, since para replaced it. Corytho was planned a few years back but they decided to go with para since it's more unique looking

[keen vapor]

@night anchor Its a pretty stupid idea to have a an apex ai spawn that just wipes apexes. It wouldnt be a fair way to die and it would be very fustrating.

[night anchor]

Frustrating you say?

[keen vapor]

Would be yeah

[night anchor]

Frustrating

[left nacelle]

You shouldn't punish players for the overall amount of apexes, since players can't control that

[keen vapor]

yeah let players play whatever they want. Just make sure apexes arent too overpowered

[left nacelle]

A better idea would be too add something into the game that keeps apexes separate

Or naturally limits their numbers

[celest furnace]

That’s funny I just read that like 2 secs ago XD, ty for helping tho

[left nacelle]

Np

[keen vapor]

comfort or something idk

Group limits doesnt do shit rn

[left nacelle]

A stress/anxiety system was mentioned in the past, idk if it'll still be a thing tho

[night anchor]

Theyre working on a stress system rn, and group limits doesnt do jack either

[left nacelle]

Well there you go. The stress system will solve it since apexes won't be hanging out together

[night anchor]

not to mention at least with AI, you have a chance to survive

[night anchor]

Apexes of different species

Youll still get large groups of rexes

Or trikes

[left nacelle]

No you won't

[keen vapor]

Hypo ai just sounds like a dumb an lazy way of limiting apexes

[night anchor]

Then whats stopping players?

[left nacelle]

The stress sytem will make rexes want to stay away from each other

[safe galleon]

when was a stress system mentioned that they're working on rn?

[night anchor]

So is limiting the apex numbers on a server

[hybrid matrix]

I suggested something that will very much limit apex numbers

[night anchor]

It was mentioned a long while ago, but it seems plausable

[keen vapor]

never suggested that

[hybrid matrix]

it'll take a while for me to find the suggestion

[night anchor]

No, but folks sure do like suggesting it

[idle crescent]

Tbh increasing their growth time would help, more so with the diet system that would encourage a quicker growth instead of afking in a boosh

[left nacelle]

If a stress system is added, it won't just affect to separate species, it'll effect the same species. A rex will be stressed if there's too many other rexes around for example

[idle crescent]

Sure there's some plans anyways for it in the long haul, going to wait and see what they decide to do when rex is implemented.

[safe galleon]

just making apexes hard to grow would be enough imo, the reason for apexes in legacy being a problem is because how easy it is to grow them

[barren zephyr]

@night anchor

[night anchor]

Yes??

[lilac swallow]

Reason apex grow so easy is hunger based ai spawns and as far as i know this isnt a thing anymore

[hybrid matrix]

here
#general-feedback message

found it

thats my idea on how to discourage over packing

[left nacelle]

It's not a bad idea, but I'm not sure that would work

People would just avoid going near the pack

Oh waiiiit nvm, I get it

[barren zephyr]

thats completely ridiculous. Apexes should already be balanced, if there's many apexes why should they be hunted down and killed by something they cant fight back against just cause they wanna play trex? Apexes should and will be hard to grow and keep, they wont need cleanup hypers, thats just dumb

15 people also agree that its dumb

[hybrid matrix]

it makes it easier for apexes to find smaller tiers of over-packers, and it makes it easier for smaller tiers to avoid over-packing apexes
its kind of perfect

[lilac swallow]

Imagine treating a normal playable differently than the others

[barren zephyr]

cough deino bleed

still dont get why they have to change it for semis, the system should be the same, they're SEMI-aquatic for a reason

[left nacelle]

That doesn't just apply to deino, they said that they're gonna need to do something different for most if not all aquatics

Semi aquatic animals already need to come out of water for stam

[lilac swallow]

Deino is actually more differe t as its acuatic, is not "its bigger than this random size so its bad"

[celest furnace]

I wish the smaller Dino you are the bigger herd you can have, I know this already exists but I wanna be able to have a herd of 10 tenos or something. Imagine how cool a herd of 15 kentros or magys would be

[barren zephyr]

oh wow, they need to regain stam, thats crazy. not like it can defend itself on land while it does, noooo, thats ridiculous, utah 1 shots deino remember?

[hybrid matrix]

i say deino should have good bleed resistance, allowing it to survive long enough for it to escape a dangerous area and wallow elsewhere
not sure about other semi-aquatics, but let's cross that bridge when we get to it

[lilac swallow]

Deino is very probably shit at fighting in land

[left nacelle]

Beipi, austro, and minmi are all gonna have trouble defending themselves

[celest furnace]

They can nibble toes tho

[barren zephyr]

yet they can run away?????

[hybrid matrix]

beipi is a murder penguin tf u talkin about

[barren zephyr]

bruh

[lilac swallow]

Magy is not acuatic

[left nacelle]

I meant minmi

[celest furnace]

I’m wondering if deino will spawn in water or on land and have to find water

[left nacelle]

Beipi is tiny

[barren zephyr]

some dinos are just bad, deinosuchus is nowhere near bad, and it doesnt need to be stronger

[lilac swallow]

The size if a dryo

[hybrid matrix]

its claws arent

[left nacelle]

So? It's still small

[barren zephyr]

if you're caught healing bleed without time to get up to fight/flee that's YOUR fault

[hybrid matrix]

[lilac swallow]

Those claws arent killing a uta or dilo before the beipi is dead

[barren zephyr]

everything in the game is injured or killed if its caught out while healing, why should deino be different

[lilac swallow]

Utah*

[hybrid matrix]

NOOO MY DREAMS R DEAD!

[barren zephyr]

if you dont wanna die healing, dont be stupid

simple

[lilac swallow]

No need to be so aggresive dude

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

TI is a survival game and survival games punish dumbasses

[night anchor]

You forget some people just are, take me for instance

[hybrid matrix]

and i think that evrima is gonna do a rlly good job of punishing idiots

[celest furnace]

When do you guys think we’ll have update 8? I’m not necessarily hyped about it I just want to know how long we have to wait to get a decent amount of dinos

[barren zephyr]

then you dont deserve to have that deino if you cant play well enough to grow/use it, simple

[left nacelle]

Early next year at the soonest I'd say

[night anchor]

Soon™️

[celest furnace]

That’s not too bad, I was fearing 2 years

[night anchor]

Deserves got nothin to do with it

[hybrid matrix]

well i hope they take their time with the updates in between
at best (in terms of making sure everything works) probably about a year and a half

[celest furnace]

[barren zephyr]

my guess was and still is around spring 2022

[celest furnace]

Ty! That’s not too bad

[night anchor]

Fckin love that emote

[hybrid matrix]

i think thats probably accurate

[celest furnace]

I just want more than 10 dinos then I’m fine

[barren zephyr]

yes it is. if you're not smart enough to be healing safely and watch for predators, you deserve to get attacked by one that spots you and either killed or hurt

[celest furnace]

Because then I have the time to take a break from each dino

[night anchor]

That sounds close enough

[night anchor]

Plz tell me you at least got the refrence

[hybrid matrix]

i think once ptera and deino get released i'll be able to stick with evrima throughout the development of update 4

i rlly cannot wait to soar thru the air

[celest furnace]

For example, I play deino for a few days, I die, I become Petra, then stego, then Magy, then Herrera and then it’s been long enough for me to want to be deino again. See what I mean? Six isn’t enough

[barren zephyr]

nah, idk what it was

[hybrid matrix]

oh wait when r we getting magy?
im honestly rlly excited for it

[barren zephyr]

update 5

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

[barren zephyr]

likely coming around autumn this year

[hybrid matrix]

thats not super far off

i cant wait to see wut they do with it

[barren zephyr]

late summer early autumn is my guess

[celest furnace]

Me too! It’s update 5

[hybrid matrix]

i forgot how many updates there r

[celest furnace]

Thank you! It’s so underrated

[hybrid matrix]

10 right?

[celest furnace]

8 for now

[hybrid matrix]

ah ok

[night anchor]

Shame

[hybrid matrix]

i cant wait for 8, the game is gonna be so good

more carnivores is gonna be fun

[celest furnace]

Ikr! I’m excited for all the herbis!

[night anchor]

whole thing seems nice n even, 8carnis, 8herbis, and 1 omni

Perfectly balanced

[celest furnace]

https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

Here’s the roadmap for you @hybrid matrix

[barren zephyr]

galli makes 2 omnis

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
i love herbivores, but the 3 choices r tiny nugget, teno(a.k.a awesomeness), and an SUV with a spikey ass

[night anchor]

Im referring to the whole roster by update 8

[celest furnace]

2 on is I believe, Gallo can steal eggs, so can the oviraptor I think

[barren zephyr]

yeah, galli is in 7

[celest furnace]

So true! By update 5 the herbis will get a bit cooler options

[hybrid matrix]

oviraptor literally means egg thief

[celest furnace]

I’m just excited to get at least 10+ herbis and carnis

[night anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[celest furnace]

Enough to not be bored out of my mind after a few months

[hybrid matrix]

after deino and ptera, theres gonna be no more being bored

wait galli is in 7?

aw man

[celest furnace]

Yup

Look at the link I sent u

It’s official roadmap

Scroll up

[night anchor]

Inb4 Dondi changes it

[urban flax]

Dondi is gonna add every dino to update 4

[celest furnace]

Wdym?

[night anchor]

Joke?

[hybrid matrix]

nesting is in update 7 :D

[celest furnace]

Yup!

[urban flax]

Yes, this was a joke because he informed the team out of nowhere that he wanted a whole new map for update 4

[night anchor]

I think its just updating as opposed to a whole new map

[celest furnace]

I can’t wait to look up in the trees and have to fight herreras jumping out of them

[hybrid matrix]

oh yeah the "its not on the roadmap bc dondi didnt tell us" joke
i said that wrong didnt i

[celest furnace]

And I can’t wait to fight folks in the middle of the night

[night anchor]

The return of the herpaderp

[urban flax]

Nah, he's working on remaking Region 2 into evrima

[night anchor]

Im aware of that

[celest furnace]

I just want to dive down on babas as a Petra and non them

[barren zephyr]

i cant wait for them to jump onto my kentro and die instantly

[hybrid matrix]

ok this is wut i cant wait for
ptera
ptera
ptera
ptera
herra
ovi
deino
cera
fractures

[celest furnace]

OMG YEASS

[night anchor]

I thought he was adding the map as a section in spiro

[urban flax]

Well yes, but that's still a whole map
Spero is basically the size of all the other maps combined

[barren zephyr]

"We're going to be creating a smaller map to coincide with our small, though ever growing, playable roster for EVRIMA. This will provide a landscape that is more easily traversed and will make encounters with other players much more numerous."

[celest furnace]

Me:
3:ptera
4:perk system
5.MAGY
6:troodon
7:Ovir
8:mentor and Herrera

[hybrid matrix]

wait
like all the legacy maps

[celest furnace]

Don’t forget that they are maybe adding a fish mini game

[night anchor]

Think that means... REDWOODS??

[urban flax]

I think so

[hybrid matrix]

[celest furnace]

Yus

[night anchor]

Yay is all done

Inb4 UE5 possibly fucks it up

[celest furnace]

?

[night anchor]

Unreal engine 4.6 (correct if wong) is getting updated to 5.0

[celest furnace]

Ah yes

Also I don’t mean to be noobish but what is teamfoszor

[night anchor]

Hes a dev fighting cancer

[barren zephyr]

one of the devs is fighting brain cancer, we're just wishing him well and also raising money for him

[celest furnace]

Aw! That’s sweet of you!

[hybrid matrix]

one of the devs got cancer (his name foszor) so team foszor is ppl supporting him

[night anchor]

Btw, what happened to iggy?

[celest furnace]

❤️

[barren zephyr]

they wont add it cause they think its just a maia with a thumb spike

[night anchor]

Ah

[hybrid matrix]

punch says that
kissen is pro iggy
but she cant go against the team
however after early access i think iggy might have a chance

[night anchor]

Well we already have para, shant, maia, and Tenonto, is iggy really necessary?

[celest furnace]

I’ve never heard of iffy, what is it?

[hybrid matrix]

iguanodon

[barren zephyr]

the point is they are saying that but they are adding like 3 sub rexes and 4 trikes

[celest furnace]

No, but Cory is

[celest furnace]

I’m stupid

I just didn’t know the nick name

Yeah iggy just sounds like the tarbosaurus of maia

[night anchor]

Wait thats getting added?

[hybrid matrix]

iggy is magnitudes better than cory
dont think so? well have i got the suggestion for u
#general-feedback message

[barren zephyr]

instead of adding Maia, they can just add Iggy

also, tenonto is just a maia when its not fictionalised

[hybrid matrix]

wrong link

[celest furnace]

No, but it was considered at one point. It might be reconsidered in a few years tho

[barren zephyr]

i did some data collecting on what people want in an update, Iguanodon was the most picked apart from Mosasaur

[celest furnace]

Why is that? It doesn’t sound that amazing

[barren zephyr]

have you SEEN iganodon?

[celest furnace]

No

[night anchor]

If mosasaur is a thing, i hope its a freshwater species

[celest furnace]

I mean

Not in the isle

[celest furnace]

It’s not LOL

[barren zephyr]

its a massive tank of a hadro with a big ass thumb spike, perfect for aggressive fighting just like pachy will be

[celest furnace]

Show me

[hybrid matrix]

here we go

[celest furnace]

I need to get a mental image of what the isle is going for

[hybrid matrix]

this is the right link

#general-feedback message

[night anchor]

well at least maybe one of the freshwater sub-species of mosa

[night anchor]

Hey its smaller shant

[hybrid matrix]

?

iggy?

[barren zephyr]

it'd have a far different fighting style

[hybrid matrix]

i dont think ive heard iggy called a smaller shant
ive heard larger teno
but not small shant

either way it isnt

[celest furnace]

That looks good but all I’m saying is that it’s not super necessary. I would definitely trade it for Maia, but since I think we’re keeping Maia there’s no need for it

You know what

I would drop shan’t and Maia for Cory and iggy

[hybrid matrix]

ew

keep shant

drop maia

replace it with iggy

[celest furnace]

And add Cory

[barren zephyr]

i hope they trade for Maia, Maia is basically Magy anyways, a mid tier herbi that specialises at running away from anything bigger than it, we dont need Maia

[night anchor]

Ok, but we all agree that anky is bad animal yes?

[hybrid matrix]

rhino anky yes
honking pebble anky no

[night anchor]

Honk

[barren zephyr]

but cory offers no unique playstyle, it'd just be a para correct?

[celest furnace]

I agree, but I say trade for shan’t. If it’s gonna be a strong hadro shan’t isn’t super creative and iggy looks cooler

[hybrid matrix]

anyway ima just post some reasons that iggy is definitely a good trade

[hybrid matrix]

hell yeah shant is creative

[celest furnace]

No, not necessarily, I’d have to think about it more

[hybrid matrix]

AND ITS FUCKING HUGE

[barren zephyr]

the difference is Iggy cant take on an apex, but shant sure as hell can, and it has a stomp attack

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[celest furnace]

Meh, just chunky Maia mixed with para position and is as big as a Cama

[hybrid matrix]

the best an iggy could take is acro

[hybrid matrix]

no it rlly isnt

shant is a behemoth
the destroyer of universes

[barren zephyr]

not even i dont think, alberto and sucho is probably as good as it gets

[hybrid matrix]

Iguanodon should be added because it's a perfect fit for its role as a medium sized, swift brawler, similar to an elk. Iguanodon would be a creature only capable of soloing creatures smaller than itself, meaning the best strategy would be to group up to defend against threats (acro is the largest thing it can defend against). Iguanodon's unique ability is its ability to switch from a bipedal stance, to a quadrupedal stance, allowing it a range of attacks, and a large diet. It's diet would consist of bushes and grass while quadrupedal, and fruits/leaves from trees while bipedal.
Reasons not to add it:
After asking the people in #401464048610312195, none of them could come up with a reason to not add iguanodon (except for the common and untrue "its a bigger teno" argument).
Counter to the "bigger teno" argument:
Ask yourself, do kentrosaurus and stegosaurus have the same playstyle? No, kentro is more maneuverable and quick, while stego is a slow heavy hitter. Well there ya go, that's also the case with Iguanodon and teno.
Stats
After discussing it in #general-feedback-discussion, it has been decided that the best growth time for Iguanodon is 4 hours and 45 minutes (it'll make more sense as you read).
We decided that its weight should be between 4 and 5 tons. Now, while it is heavy, it has strong legs, allowing it a brisk, 37 kph sprint speed (subject to change), ensuring its safety from apexes.

Attacks
While in a bipedal stance, left click is a punch that does 100 N, and can be spammed three times in one second. Right click is a hook attack (as in right hook left hook) that does 150 N with 10 bleed, and can be spammed twice in one second.
While in a quadrupedal stance, left click is a bite that does 75 N, and can be spammed twice in a second. Right click is a forward thrust that does 500 N and 20 bleed, and can be spammed once every three seconds.

thats literally an entire suggestion about iggy

[celest furnace]

I just think that hadros weren’t built to be apex players, iggy sounds like a good strong hadro

[celest furnace]

I read that

[barren zephyr]

already read it and I 100% agree

[hybrid matrix]

didnt post it here for u i posted it for shifty

[hybrid matrix]

but u think it couldnt take an acro

[barren zephyr]

no, no i dont

[celest furnace]

Well sorry 🙄

[hybrid matrix]

shant is stronger than iggy
if iggy is gonna replace anything it should be maia

[hybrid matrix]

[celest furnace]

I think it should take on an acro, but that’s it, nothing bigger

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[celest furnace]

I just think shan’t is op in a bad way

[barren zephyr]

if acro ends up being quick then it should, but if it stays fat slow boi then i think itd easily take one

[hybrid matrix]

the 2 r equals

[celest furnace]

I just think that’s all we need for hadros

Because shan’t is too Chinju

Chonky

[hybrid matrix]

thats legacy shant
evrima shant isnt gonna be as much of a god
but saying its too OP is like saying a brachi is too big
shant evolved to be so huge for a reason

[night anchor]

(WWll Shant herd flashbacks)

[barren zephyr]

anyways, gtg, if anything comes up that concerns me let me know when im back pls

[night anchor]

Aight man, take care

[celest furnace]

If you want to have a strong herbi playing style you go with ceratopsian, is you want bulky or tank, go with sauropod or anky, if you want mid tier, good at running but also somewhat strong, go with hadro. I don’t think hadro should fit apex AND mid tier because of play style. Which is why iggy is perfect, because it’s the strongest of the type, like trike, except since hadro is mid tier, iggy is perfect to be the strongest mid tier, see what I’m saying?

[hybrid matrix]

[celest furnace]

Hence why we should drop shan’t.

[hybrid matrix]

dude
ur saying that about hadros when THERES FIVE FUCKING CERATOPSIANS, EACH OF WHICH R IN DIFFERENT TIERS
MAGY IS A TINY SAUROPOD, BUT SAUROPODS EVOLVED GIAGANTISM!! LETS DROP MAGY!!
-_-

just bc shant is a giant apex, does not mean its over powered

its supposed to be strong

thats y its so huge in the first place

[celest furnace]

You have a point, but playstiles. Come on, sure ceratopsians are all over the place, but they are combat based (aggro). Sauropods are meant to be calmer, though there is a small magy, it’s not going to be made to take things head on. Hadros are more their own play style. A problem with ceratopsians would be if they made one that was made for only running, or a sauropod for only fishing, that’s a problem, but they aren’t like that. Shan’t is

We just don’t need that many apexs imo

[night anchor]

Large shant herds KOSing on V3

[hybrid matrix]

oh god XD

[celest furnace]

If the whole game has 1 apex per species, then everyone is gonna play only those, because it fits your play style AND its super powered. I love playing para, but I’ll always go with shan’t if I get the opportunity because it’s like a para but it can resist any apexs

[night anchor]

Imagine playing a carni running across a desert area with little stam and you have 5 or so angry shants ready to curbstomp you

[hybrid matrix]

yes its true hadrosaurs have their own playstyle, but thats y we should have more, bc theyre all unique
iggy is a beefy midtier brawler
shant is the destroyer of rexes, gigas, spinos
para is.... uhhhh..... im not sure wut para is
teno is a fast, low-tier bruiser
etc.

[night anchor]

Para is the loving sweatheart

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[night anchor]

like don said, you need cute things to murder

[hybrid matrix]

but u see wut im saying? the more hadros(teno and iggy arent actually hadros but ) we have, the more dinosaurs with unique playstyles we get to play as

[celest furnace]

I’m not saying you don’t have a point, because you do, and a good one, I’m just saying shant should be separate from othe hadros. Because you can have a teno family and find a shan’t and boom instant protection that makes the game boring, if they are only allowed to stick with themselves (hadro wise) then I’m fine with that

[celest furnace]

Exactly

[hybrid matrix]

tf u talkin about instant protection?!
practically every midtier will be able to get around that shant

[night anchor]

A sweatheart that needs to be unfortunately needs to be murdered

Like Bambi’s mom

[hybrid matrix]

shant isnt instant protection to all herbivores who herd with it, shant is a bus that defends itself against apexes

[safe galleon]

yo skull you're funny 😂 👌

[night anchor]

Hol on i neeeeed more coffee

[celest furnace]

I MEAN that shan’t is just too weird, it’s unlike any herbi, and it’s kinda just there, it has nothing to do because only a few apex pairs will try to hunt them, so they’re just there for protection, they are 10 times the size of the second biggest hadro and just not necessary. Now come to think of it if we add iggy then we can keep shan’t, because we have something to smooth the lines between sweetheart and monster truck bus tank

See what I mean?

It’s unnecessary unless we have iggy

And even when we have iggy I’d just drop shan’t

[hybrid matrix]

uhhh no i dont understand the correlation

u said it urself, shant dwarfs iggy

[celest furnace]

So what we can do is add shan’t and THEN iggy so people don’t complain

[hybrid matrix]

[celest furnace]

It does, but iggy is stronger than para, right?

[hybrid matrix]

ok but wut does this have to do with para

[celest furnace]

Para is tiny and weak compared to shan’t

If we have iggy

Then para is weaker than it

But

It is not compared to shan’t

Iggy is

[night anchor]

Brb

[hybrid matrix]

???

[celest furnace]

If iggy and shan’t are the fighting hadros, it makes more sense, all the hadros we have now are mid tier-fighting dinos and then one tank. So, if we have both shan’t and iggy then it’s two fighting hadros and 3 mid sized hadros with their own playstile

[hybrid matrix]

both para and iggy r weak compared to shant

no because teno is also a fighter

a teno can take a carno

i rlly dont understand ur point mashed

[elder rivet]

akshually tenontosaurus and iguanodon are iguanodontids not hadrosaurs 🤓

[celest furnace]

Yes, but teno is gonna be mid tier once we have apexs. The only reason it seems strong now is because there’s 2 car is to fight against

[hybrid matrix]

yes i kno

[hybrid matrix]

LITERALLY Y SHANT IS A GOOD IDEA!!!!

[celest furnace]

We know but I’m just trying not to make this more complicated than it needs to be

[celest furnace]

Yes, once we add apex car is

I’m talking about adding them now

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but that wouldnt happen

and teno is a midtier anyway

[celest furnace]

RHATS WHAT IM SAYINGNG

Bruuuh

This whole conversation was a misunderstanding

[hybrid matrix]

well how can i kno wut ur saying when it makes no sense

[celest furnace]

Lmao

[hybrid matrix]

no its not a misunderstanding

[celest furnace]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

ur trying to tell me y shant should get replaced by iggy

[barren zephyr]

According to concept art, Deino will probably be able to do that to Pteras. If not in Update 3, definitely later on.

It should get replaced by Iggy

Iggy supremacy

[hybrid matrix]

i think iggy should replace maia not shant

besides maia is esentially a weak teno

[barren zephyr]

No?

Maia is just a smaller para

or was it the other way round?

Iggy is uh

Big

Iguanodon is just more basal (as a matter of fact, it is an iguanodont and not a hadrosaur) and has thumb spikes

To replace a mid tier hadrosaur is not optimal

[hybrid matrix]

well wut use will maia have?

[barren zephyr]

I mean yea but

We cant replace Maia with Iggy

Just why bother adding maia in the first place

Find some other hadrosaur

[hybrid matrix]

^

[barren zephyr]

why do we have these excessive classes anyway if the point of the game is a functioning ecosystem

Or heck, just another mid tier herbivore

[celest furnace]

I apologize, I was stuck up on the idea we were asking shan’t and iggy as of now.

HOW ABOUT THIS, WE KEEP EVERYTHING AND ADD IGGY

[hybrid matrix]

ok the only 2 hadros that r essentially useless are para and maia

[barren zephyr]

No

Para awesome

[celest furnace]

PARA IS NOT USELESS

[barren zephyr]

: )

[hybrid matrix]

i mean legacy para is

[celest furnace]

para is great mid tier

[hybrid matrix]

legacy para cant do shit

[celest furnace]

It’s fast but has bad Stan

[barren zephyr]

Okay but Para is pretty and loud and I love it

[hybrid matrix]

theres a very easy way to make para good

[celest furnace]

It is great with kick

You just need to master the style

[hybrid matrix]

make it beefy enough to handle an attack from an apex

[celest furnace]

They said they were going to buff it

[celest furnace]

Not everything needs to be able to fight apex to be cool

[hybrid matrix]

rlly u just need to encourage para players to herd together

[celest furnace]

That’s the whole point of tiers

[celest furnace]

That’s trop

[barren zephyr]

Para herd should be able to fend off a Solo apex

[celest furnace]

Troo*

[barren zephyr]

yes, obviously

[hybrid matrix]

not to be cool dingus
to be viable
para cant escape an apex so it should be able to tank hits from an apex

[barren zephyr]

If a herd of buffaloes can beat the shit out of a lion, so can a herd of paras to a rex

Like it was very silly in Legacy where rex can just charge into a group of Paras (which are as tall as it) and suffer little damage from getting KICKED in the fucking face

yes

[celest furnace]

Actually it can outrun any apex but a crouching giga

[barren zephyr]

it should be fucking crippled, if not dead, at that point

hence, you have to make the herd scatter

[celest furnace]

I gtg but I’m just saying we keep para, no reason why we shouldn’t

[hybrid matrix]

:/
rex ambush is faster than giga ambush
spino ambush is also faster than giga ambush
but theres no more ambush

[barren zephyr]

So that might be a motivator for rexes to hunt in packs when hunting hadrosaurs

[hybrid matrix]

oh god thats making me nervous

yeah thats wut i think iggy should do too

[celest furnace]

But you can run from it due to its bad stam, if it is 1 night vision away from you while crouching, then you’re good

[hybrid matrix]

the biggest it could solo is acro, but in herds iggy should beat up most apexes

para and iggy r kinda the same thing, except iggy is a brawler and para is just tanky

[barren zephyr]

If you look at pack hunting predators, they try to separate a member of a herd, usually a youngster or sick/old individual ("soft targets").

[celest furnace]

Acro needs to die in a pit of fire. It’s loud, too fast for its size, cold, heartless and FAT

[hybrid matrix]

i dont understand y u would wanna eat a sick creature
ur asking to get the flue or smthn

[barren zephyr]

Well not that sort of sick, but in general weak or injured

[hybrid matrix]

yeah no the acro in legacy got bugged and thats y its so huge
it used to be about the size of an allo i think

[celest furnace]

Nothing can outrun acro except for an austro and it’s too big for any mid tiers to fight it. I hate the thing, every other Dino in the game is fine but acro just needs to die

[celest furnace]

That doesn’t excuse it’s biteforce and bleed dmg tho

[hybrid matrix]

dude a sub giga can fight an acro
a dibble can fight an acro
a stego can fight an acro
its not invincible

[barren zephyr]

A kill should last a mob or gang of rexes at least a couple of days, if being reasonable

[hybrid matrix]

THATS THE WHOLE SELLING POINT ON ACRO!!
its a fast bleeder that has a good bite
its like a sub giga but fast and with decent turn

anyway acro is gonna be much more balanced in evrima

also legacy acro has the shittest heal ever

[barren zephyr]

Why is there too much fucking emphasis on combat anyway in the game

[celest furnace]

That’s true, but it’s just poopoo for anything that’s not on your list. Plus I was a half grown sub gigs and an acro bit me 2-3 times and I died

Not really fightable

[celest furnace]

It better be 😦

[barren zephyr]

Legacy at least just has "kill" coming to mind

[hybrid matrix]

yeah bc u were half grown
full grown sub giga is a boss

[celest furnace]

Bruh

Full grown sub giga is adult giga

[hybrid matrix]

no its not

[celest furnace]

It takes 3 hours to grow a sub giga

[hybrid matrix]

4 hours

not 3

[celest furnace]

If you’re talking full sub giga

[hybrid matrix]

yeah and thats not an adult giga

[celest furnace]

It’s not even the biggest part of its life

[hybrid matrix]

an adult giga takes almost 7 hours

[celest furnace]

It the minority

I know

[hybrid matrix]

wut sub stage?

[celest furnace]

A fresh adult giga is the same as a full sub giga dood

[hybrid matrix]

alright i have the giga stage growths memorised

juvie takes 110 minutes

[celest furnace]

Ok I gtg

Hey

Bye

[hybrid matrix]

sub takes 240 minutes (far from the minority)

[celest furnace]

Thx for debating with me tho

[hybrid matrix]

and adult takes 60 minutes

bye

[worn pumice]

[ashen wasp]

@uncut silo this is from the Deinosuchus' official concept sheet, i believe the plan is for the lunge to be omnidirectional

[barren zephyr]

hi im back

[night anchor]

I have also returned

What is the current topic of discussion?

[barren zephyr]

dont know so i dont really care

but if something happens ill talk

[barren zephyr]

guess ill start a debate/discussion

megalania is a bad pick for the roster
it wont be able to bleed people out like the real life animal cause that'd be too strong. it wont be able to defend itself or run away from pretty much every other predator. the only thing it can do is climb stuff supposedly, how does that stop utahs from going up there and kicking its ass?

[hybrid matrix]

utahs cant climb?

[barren zephyr]

Seeing as Deino's growth will be long, will the juvi deino be able to pull dinos into the water? or is that ability exclusive to sub, adult or both?

[barren zephyr]

jumpy bois

[idle ibex]

mmm yes utahs climbing, bye bye herrera viability

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
mega is gonna be venomous, no?

sorta like a komodo

[ashen wasp]

it can be assumed

[barren zephyr]

the same thing will happen to it that happens to utahs on utah rock. it'll get starved out but unlike utahs it isnt fast or agile enough to escape if it is

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

i just thought of something

[idle ibex]

mega will likely be a stealth based bleeder and possibly venom and bleed based creature, being so low to the ground it can avoid detection by hiding, id imagine its skin would compliment this too. megas main prey item as well would be stuff around teno size

[hybrid matrix]

what if there were 4 damage types (4 in total bc theres raw dmg, bleed dmg, and fracture dmg)?

what if pain was a thing

[idle ibex]

honestly dont see too big of a problem for mega, if its caught in the open then that was its own fault

[barren zephyr]

utahs have low to ground vision, it'll get seen easier than you think and likely smashed by a pack of them. its only just as long as a utah, its tiny in comparison to what can kill it

[ashen wasp]

Megalania's venom can be made to dissuade most other carnivores from attacking it, yeah?? come away with a bite and you'll pay the price. It wouldn't have to worry about outspeeding Carnos, and as for apexes-- being a jack-of-all-trades and being relatively low-profile would make evading them easy enough

[barren zephyr]

stegos insane damage doesnt dissuade predators from attacking it, neither will magys rotten flesh and many other dinos to come. if its killable, it doesnt matter, things will attack it

[ashen wasp]

jack of all trades in the movement department, at least.

[idle ibex]

mega will most likely be able to fend off lone carnos or ceratos as long as it plays its cards right by bleeding out and draining health of their attacker by utilizing bleed and venom. mega shouldnt be unkillable, and it should need pretty good coordinatoon to even pull off a succesfull defense or offense against carno or cerato

on top of that juvie megas and maybe young subs may be able to climb trees, allowing them to hunt herreras and also stay out of danger

[ashen wasp]

I agree, but the lasting effects of venom may provoke a different reaction to Stego's raw damage, which can be more or less dealt with afterwards, or Magyaro's flesh, which needs to be eaten to take effect

[idle ibex]

a bite from a megalania should be felt by mid tiers, it shouldnt be the easy lizard ai it seems a couple of people make it out to be

considering it will atleast have bleed and maybe bleed and venom

[barren zephyr]

the current venom isnt a damager though as people hoped, there's been nothing said in the way of changing that

[idle ibex]

isnt it a stamina drainer the venom?

[hybrid matrix]

like if you take pain dmg ur heart rate is elevated
and if u take raw dmg u lose health
every attack would cause both types of damage, but some creatures would focus more on pain damage than raw damage
too much pain damage at once severely elevates ur heart rate, causing dizziness at first, but if u cant calm ur dino down, u go into shock and have to sleep. However, calming ur dino down is very easy. all u have to do is sit for a certain amount of time until ur heart rate returns to normal.

[idle ibex]

if it is thats still insanely useful

[ashen wasp]

there is no current venom.

[barren zephyr]

the idea for it

[idle ibex]

if youve looked at komodo dragons as well, they utlize 3 types of damage, raw damage, bleeding and their venom

[hybrid matrix]

so pain damage wouldnt lower ur health, it would elevate ur heart rate

[idle ibex]

mega is essentially a komodo on steroids

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

but wut do u guys think about pain dmg

[low canopy]

why do people talk in general feedback

[hybrid matrix]

idk

[idle ibex]

it seems nifty, i like the heart rate concept of it and diziness

perhaps headaches your dino can get, blurring vision for 10 or 20 mins?

[vestal rune]

the main way komodos actually hunt is by ripping into the legs of their prey and then eating it alive

so they commonly hunt prey faster than them because if they can get a good ambush they can immobilise them

[urban flax]

I don't like the idea of pain damage. That's not really a reliable way of hunting in nature, since adrenaline numbs pain.

[ashen wasp]

yeah, all we really have an idea for so far is Dilo's and Troodon's-- no word on Megalania

i believe the idea behind pain isn't for hunting, more to stop yourself FROM being hunted. it's a hell of a motivator

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

i was thinking that mega could have a bite specialized for dealing pain damage

less venomy and more dizzying

[urban flax]

A simple dizzying venom would do it

[ashen wasp]

define "venomy"

[urban flax]

The only thing that causes enough pain to deter predators irl is venom

[idle ibex]

and torn off limbs unless your a croc

[ashen wasp]

porcupines would like to have a word with you

[hybrid matrix]

i cant rlly discuss pain dmg right at this second, but pretty soon i'll be able to

[idle ibex]

ive got a german test to study for man

[urban flax]

Porcupine needles mainly prevent predators from biting or using their mouth at all

[ashen wasp]

i see the point. heh

[celest furnace]

Because general is insane and here we actually talk about the game/updates/ideas/opinions. Well that’s why I’m here, idk about you

[vast wolf]

because they dont pay attention

[celest furnace]

Sounds interesting, can you explain it some more?

[celest furnace]

Exactly XD

[worn pumice]

Pain dmg?

Not sure that works in the isle

[celest furnace]

Yeah

I mean

[worn pumice]

Dmg is dmg like

U can’t have pain

Lol

[celest furnace]

How does it work in other games?

[worn pumice]

It doesn’t

[hybrid matrix]

i cant talk rn
later i'll clear up wut i mean

[celest furnace]

How would it work in the isle then?

[worn pumice]

Ight

[celest furnace]

Ok

[hybrid matrix]

but this should be pretty descriptive

[celest furnace]

Ty

[worn pumice]

Interesting

[celest furnace]

A tad confusing but I like it

Anyone know when they’re announcing update 9?

[worn pumice]

Honestly I don’t think this is very practical

It’s a cool idea

But in game not sure if it’s a mechanic worth adding

[urban flax]

agree^

[celest furnace]

I thought the old damage system was confusing so i don’t necessarily want ANOTHER thing to think about. Interesting concept tho

[worn pumice]

The main reason is pain dmg would be honestly just confusing and with so many new abilities to come and venom poison and things like that

Pain dmg isn’t necessary

[celest furnace]

I agree

I wonder how they’re going to do hallucinations tho

[worn pumice]

Like u can’t do more pain dmg then regular dmg that would be weird

[celest furnace]

Also do you like that herbis can practically never die of starvation or not?

[worn pumice]

Too much to balance