general-feedback-discussion

[dapper terrace]

They look like Dinosaurs to me. So yes, they look like they belong in the Dinosaur game

[valid elk]

Where Minmi has the same legs as Ankylosaurus in size and shape, yet it looks almost exactly like its real life version!

Yet we change Anky into a rhino!

It doesn't help!

[dapper terrace]

So? Having a mix is fine

[barren zephyr]

yeah but having one general style for a game works better than multiple ones that don't fit too well together

[valid elk]

No, it isn't. They have had clear designs since the old discord, why suddenly change it up? For five years, they have clear design choices and changes, but it suddenly changes now? After half a decade?

[dapper terrace]

Have you played Ark? They have this inconsistent "style" you're describing, and people love that game.

[valid elk]

Well, Ark was made illegally, not the best example to use.

[barren zephyr]

There's a difference between blending styles, and conflicting styles
It's pretty clear which is which

[valid elk]

And it is well hated in this community.

It's also Ark, not The Isle.

[barren zephyr]

ARK is a clutter sci-fi fantasy elements

[dapper terrace]

This community is an eco-chamber. There's plenty of people who enjoy Evrima's direction without engaging in the Discord

[paper geyser]

and yet those people seldom bother to come here and talk about how much they love this direction

[barren zephyr]

Sounds like a cop out argument

[torn thistle]

The issue is that some animals have yet to be updated while others get weird designs. It results in a weird clash in art styles (ie: Basic Allo, JP T.rex / Utah, cockroach Hypsi / Goose Austro / Bobblehead Alberto). Consistency is better and very needed.
Frankly, dinosaur designs should stick as close to the accurate skeletal proportions of the base animal, but go a lil' wild and gnarly with the rest of the stylization. But, in certain cases, maybe going bland is better, like with Allo. But while I say that, I'd highly prefer the Allo design Fred made a while back.

[valid elk]

What do you mean an echo-chamber? I gave clear descriptions and gathered my thoughts about what's going on!

Thank you, Bhal

[barren zephyr]

There are also some ideas which aren't really built upon in video games (like colourful soft tissue display structures on Abelisaurs)

[torn thistle]

Multiple design styles mashed together doesn't make it look good.

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[worn pumice]

at the end of the day it might be their game but we are the ones who will play it and buy it

[barren zephyr]

It's their game, but yet again they also ask for constructive criticism to see if they can make their game any more appealing

[valid elk]

Mind you, I absolutely love this game. I love it, this is my favorite dinodaur game. Been here for years. So you know, when I raise my problems with something, it is usually something important.

[upbeat marten]

he isnt talking like he is entitled
I get where he is coming from
The deigns are very inconsistent but for some dinos that is needed, they want to make Evrima different then legacy in every way, to make Evrima better.
That requires some to be completely redone to fit the style of play they want the austro to be which is fishing.

but Bhal is right, they should stick accurately to their skeletal proportions but also given that fantasy element where they can add little fun things to the dino like feathers or something who knows
They shouldnt be fantasized so much to where they have Ark proportions where the allo is the size of a fucking t rex
but not so accurately sized where it wouldnt fit right in the game.

[valid elk]

Exactly. Like, make Austroraptor have its correct body, then add the feather eyebrows and give it the weird wings to provide shade, and webbed feet

Blam, stylized Austro that fits in game

[tepid gate]

Yea, if someone just plays Evrima and doesn't look at this discord they're not even aware of those concept arts, so of course they're fine. The conflicting art styles look bad. Albertosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus, Austroraptor and Ankylosaurus just don't fit the rest of the game with what they look like. Is it something gamebreaking? No. Would it cause me or a significant part of the community to stop playing the game? No. They are hardly gamebreaking but they aren't a good fit to the rest of the roster aesthetically speaking.

[sonic cloud]

“they aren’t a good fit to the rest of the rest of the roster” is an understatement

Bobbleheaded Albertosaurus looks like horseshit

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Same can be said for the diabetic carnosaur that is the Acro.

[tepid gate]

Acro simply has messed up proportions

It looks like some pokemon or digimon-like animal with the profile view.

And yea I personally think Acro(side view) is the ugliest concept art I've seen for the game.

[sonic cloud]

Acro is weird

The side-view is horrendous and frankly worse than Albertosaurus, which frankly is quite an achievement

[zinc anvil]

Acro has always looked strange to me

[sonic cloud]

But the other concept of it has grown on me slightly and is at least passable, not great but passable and acceptable

Primarily because the head is a bit smaller

[elder rivet]

It's as if they made the 3/4 first and went with it's proportions on the side view which means you'd get a big head and short tail

[sonic cloud]

The 3/4 has a smaller head than the side-view. It really makes a difference

[kindred flare]

@uncut silo that will most likely be for quetz considering pteranodon is about smaller than a utah

[hybrid matrix]

just bc quetz is huge doesnt mean its not incredibly lightweight

also

ptera is dryo-sized

not roughly smaller than a utah

its a dryo with wings just like how bats r mice with wings

the biggest a quetz could pick up in its mouth is like a dryo

i mean

while its flying

the biggest it should be able to fly with is a dryo
but while grounded, it should be able to lift utah corpses and swallow them whole

[barren zephyr]

Ptera is too small to pick stuff up, most it would be able to pick up is probably a compy

[thorn glacier]

It's body also isn't built to hold weight anywhere except for in the beak

[left nacelle]

Did people forget that this channel exists? Why are people talking in #general-feedback??

Anyway, pteranodon wouldn't be able to fly while carrying small animals, even if it was strong enough to pick them up

[proud coral]

It's feet aren't designed to grab stuff

[left nacelle]

Yeah. If the devs wanted it to pick up stuff, they could've made its feet better for grabbing, since it isn't really a pteranodon

[left nacelle]

@plucky ridge Few issues with your suggestion:
1. This could be used to troll people, especially if a pteranodon sees a nest from a distance and decides to camp it and wait for things to hatch
2. Pteranodon's feet aren't made for grabbing stuff
3. Pteranodon also wouldn't be able to pick them up with its beak because hatchlings will be way too tiny for a pteranodon to see, let alone grab them

[paper oriole]

pteranodon is supposed to fish and scavenge anyway. best to just wait on quetz or whatever if you wanna snatch up babies and yeet them into rivers or something

[barren zephyr]

@zealous violet Might wanna bring your comments/discussion here, don't want the mods to smack ya

[left nacelle]

@torpid nest A playable animal that can roam around with no fear? Not the best idea

Plus we're already getting brachi, even tho it likely won't be playable on official servers

[worn pumice]

honestly yea i agree keep ptera as a scavenger

and when quetz comes in make that able to grab things

it gives quetz a unique ability apart from big flying bird

[azure wadi]

Pteranodon is the Fisher and quetzalcoatlus is a giant scavenger/hunter of small things, and neither should ever be able to pick up live players

[worn pumice]

maybe irl

but in game it would make a cool mechanic

[azure wadi]

No it wouldn’t, it would be easily abused and look stupid

[jade schooner]

very larger than rex, most definitely

[azure wadi]

Are you being sarcastic?

[paper oriole]

rex is way wider

[jade schooner]

rex is chonky

[paper oriole]

have you seen rex's ribcage? he's a tank

giga is way slimmer

[azure wadi]

Chonky boy

[jade schooner]

Giga is slimmer and would be the fast apex

[paper oriole]

same can't be said for our emaciated isle rex but still

[jade schooner]

fast bleeder

[jade schooner]

true

[azure wadi]

Why would you want them to make bary just a mini suchomimus

[paper oriole]

currently our sucho is smooth and the legacy bary is rough, why swap them?

new bary should be a rough boi

[azure wadi]

^

[jade schooner]

I think from what Don said on his stream they went for a "smooth" look. In concept art at least. Tapwing's already got it done. We just have to wait until we see what they made of it

[paper oriole]

smooth bary

[visual forge]

[azure wadi]

@zealous violet you can’t discuss stuff in the channel

Suggestions ONLY

Also enough with pterosaur picking up live prey, it’s too easily abused and looks stupid

[dapper pulsar]

FERAL GET THE FUCK IN HERE

[paper oriole]

Idk why people want protective measures for deino's bleed heal when everybody else has to expose themselves on the riverbank for 10+ seconds

[azure wadi]

^

[junior crow]

^

[barren zephyr]

i really hope the md/bleeding topic isn't whats holding back the deino

i feel like it should've been solved by now

just make semi's wallow and wait on land in mud boom solved

[azure wadi]

I doubt it’s holding back deino

[barren zephyr]

if update 3 isn't out in the first two weeks of march imma cry lol

yeah i can understand that

and i hate to be that guy thats always asking where's the update lol

yeah i agree

it's very simple, make the Deino and othe semi's go on land and wallow in mud till the bleed is done period simple lol

as a Deino main i have no problem with thatr

it makes it less boring too as a deino

who wants to just sit in water all day lol

mud pits are a good idea

yeah i got you

yessss quicksand

[paper oriole]

While environmental hazards are cool and all this still leaves the issue of deino being protected while he applies bleed heal unlike terrestrials despite already being able to get out of reach the rest of the time by diving

[zealous violet]

oh thanks! haha. I didnt even notice. Im still new here.

[barren zephyr]

No worries!

[zealous violet]

Someone had an idea of having just a bunch of islands where deino could wallow and that sounds pretty nice.

[barren zephyr]

Mods will def get on you for discussing stuff there, figured I'd let ya know

[zealous violet]

thanks ^^

ya'll think they are going to bring in any death noises like they do in legacy? Sometimes i'll be playing and wont even know im dead until im suddenly back on the choose a dino screen.

[urban flax]

Probably

[sonic cloud]

@zenith onyx are you tarded?

[kindred flare]

If aomebody doesnt mod in the JP3 spino sounds im deleting the modding spot

[azure wadi]

@civic delta @kindred flare wrong place for discussion

[kindred flare]

@civic delta it will be. You wont be able to afk grow in the future without negative effects

Yeah im bringing it here

[azure wadi]

Making it so that you cannot pick a dino because there are too many on the server is a terrible idea

[paper geyser]

always has been

anything that restricts someone's options in survival should never be implemented. Reminds me of when we had a few people suggesting progression in survival to play apexes

[azure wadi]

The ideas in this channel lately

Also there is a penalty to dying in a pack, you have to return to your pack as a baby now and because of the new group system you can’t know they’re exact location

[kindred flare]

It would only be for apexs so that the places isnt overrun by rexs, gigas and spinos like in legacy.

Its an ecosystem. Ecosystems cant function if every 2nd or 3rd animal is an apex predator

[idle ibex]

that was a quick no lol

[paper geyser]

then how did it function in legacy?

[idle ibex]

thats how it functioned in legacy

[paper geyser]

making it so people can't play what they want just makes the game unfun

[idle ibex]

everyone was an apex

[bleak ruin]

And most apexes were always hungry

[paper geyser]

everyone was an apex except i never saw more than 10 or 20 in any given server

it isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be

[kindred flare]

It didnt. People just didnt feel like spending 8 hours on a dinosaur and thats about the inly reason there was any diversity at all

[idle ibex]

then you stick to far edges of the map lol

if a servers got 100 people, atleast 40 are apexes

[paper geyser]

cool, let them

[azure wadi]

^

[paper geyser]

i never had an issue with apexes in legacy

[kindred flare]

Yeah, in legacy. That also contributed to the afk growing because anywhere you went there was a giant ass rex waiting there

[idle ibex]

thats not the problem its just apexes are meant to be strong, and when everyone is one of them

and when perks are going to be a thing

then you end up getting death pits no different from legacy

[paper geyser]

the deterrent is diets, hunger, growth, and risk

if people are willing to go through those then let them be an apex

servers will probably make some sort of limit, play in those

[kindred flare]

Diets only make you grow a bit faster. Not a problem when your already full size

[paper geyser]

we do not know how diets will work

[kindred flare]

Maybe not but its heavily suggested thats what they do

[azure wadi]

They make you grow a lot slower and make you a lot weaker when you don’t follow them

[idle ibex]

new players wont know the risk, growth time, hunger requirement of an apex, evrima has 0 hints or tips to new players, this is a big ass turn off if you cant play your favourite dino for longer than 20 minutes, due to the fact you die very quickly

[paper geyser]

and making it so you can't play your favourite dino at all is somehow a solution?

[kindred flare]

If you want to play it. Switch server. Not that hard

[idle ibex]

«letting people enjoy what they want to enjoy» is not the right mindset, people can play apexes, but people shouldnt be forced to survive an encounter with one every 10 minutes due to the mass amount of the,

them

[kindred flare]

^

Its not like theres only 1 server. The devs said they wanted admins to have more functionality but we dont know to what extent. We've seen the devs block off things for certain reasons such as the spawn timer and the group limit so for apex population control its seems to be an easy implement that admins can turn on or off if they want to. If a server chooses to be overrun by apexs then thats fine. But it sould be an option to not have to stick to some unknown location just to grow and stand a chance

[idle ibex]

wasnt really too hard to do what i suggested as possibly a way to unlock an apex on a server, you would be encouraged to explore the map and most probablly encounter threats along the way

[paper geyser]

ignoring the apex thing

this isn't the type of game that'll have unlocking or exploring or "quests" or anything

it isn't pot, and it isn't the right genre for that type of stuff

that's been said many times

[idle ibex]

then what would you suggest, the generic grow every creature of that type to adult or elder?

i am curious

[paper geyser]

yes.

it's a pvp survival horror game. You get everything from the get go and the experience is created by players

[idle ibex]

that is true, but you shouldnt get everything from the get go, put that in an ALTERNATIVE mode from survival

having everything is like loading up minecraft on creative

[paper geyser]

no, put your quest ideas in an alternative mode from survival

survival will not change because new players have their own expectations

[idle ibex]

new players keep this game alive, the isle does not have any dlc or montly fee to pay for

[paper geyser]

i'm willing to bet the majority of this game's playerbase is made up of veterans

[idle ibex]

so that would be suggesting to not fit the game to better suit it for the ones who keep development steady

it is

but it still relies on new people for money

unless theres some patreon im not seeing

[paper geyser]

and it's fairly annoying seeing new players trying to completely change some fundamental game ideas without understanding that it won't happen

[idle ibex]

when did i ask for fundamental game ideas changed

[paper geyser]

literally asking for survival to become like pot

[idle ibex]

i said that if you dont suit the game better for new players like adding a tip or hint system like in legacy, you end up with rex juvies endlessly roaming the map attacking anything they see and dying over and over, and over

it takes time to learn how to play a game, unless you spend all your time playing games

[paper geyser]

hints and tutorials will be added eventually

no doubt about that

[idle ibex]

i didnt say it was a quest, nothing tells you to do that thing. you would uncover them on your own as you played and become rewarded if you happened to stumble across them

it promotes people to explore

and play the game like its meant to

[paper geyser]

same thing. This game isn't about exploration, it isn't meant to be about exploration and unlocking animals

[idle ibex]

ahhh yes, a survival game is not about exploration

you do know the game has landmarks, and places to go to which promote that thing

[paper geyser]

it literally isn't, what are you talking about

[idle ibex]

you learn what places are good or not

by exploring

then what is a survival game

please tell me

[wise delta]

A game where you survive?

[cobalt compass]

"Horror-Survival"

[paper geyser]

landmarks help you navigate. In a survival game you live and hunt and do whatever a dinosaur does. I can guarantee nobody here joins a server and thinks "hmm, i think i'm gonna go explore"

exploration might be a thing for someone that's brand new to the game

[wise delta]

Nah even in legacy the only reason I knew places cause I had to go there for food. I never traveled a lot for my enjoyment

[cobalt compass]

knowing your environment is part of the survival experience

[wise delta]

And you learn that along the way

It isn’t some sort of sight seeing game lmao

[idle ibex]

i did not say that

[wise delta]

Go ahead and sight see but you’ll be dead within 30 minutes

[idle ibex]

i said you would explore in a survival game, which you do as you learn

[cobalt compass]

but the fewest do it without any goal or just roam around

[paper geyser]

exploration for the sake of exploration will typically get you killed or starved

you learn the map as you need to

[wise delta]

This^^^

[paper geyser]

like these two have said, it's just a part of the game

not the focus

[idle ibex]

thats what i meant to, unless you seemed to have some twisted view of what i said

i did not say it is the focus

[wise delta]

And all these co called land marks are usually just names people have given it to make travel easy, they aren’t actually places people go to look at

[paper geyser]

you said "it promotes exploring and playing the game like it's meant to"

which implies exploration is the purpose of the game

you don't need pot-style fetch quests to explore the map

the only reason pot has those is because everyone is stuck in one spot lol

[idle ibex]

playing the game like its meant to, by finding new water sources, migrating, finding herds to hunt, finding nesting areas and more

[wise delta]

That’s called survival

[paper geyser]

those will happen with or without rewards for exploration

and when diets become a thing exploration will become more crucial

there really is no need for a reward system

[cobalt compass]

not being killed/starved/dehydrated is reward enough

[idle ibex]

the «reward» was the ability to have a life as an apex by finding human buildings, and that was an example not what had to be

[paper geyser]

yeah i still disagree

no need to restrict people on what they want to play

[idle ibex]

we have already talked bout that above, if you remember

[urban flax]

If you do this, then you'll just have everybody running to human buildings and then suiciding there to play as apex

[paper geyser]

yeah and i chose to stop talking about it because it was clear it wasn't going anywhere

[urban flax]

That's not really a reward for exploring the map, that's just going to a set point as soon as possible to unlock things

[idle ibex]

«or something similar to that» while i only wrote human buildings you could do something completely elsr

else

[urban flax]

That wouldn't change anything. Either if it's a human building, a specific tree or anywhere, that's the same thing.

[idle ibex]

then it does not have to be a find set location thing, my point in the actual idea was as follows «dont let people play apexes as soon as they join a server»

that human location thing was an example for something

[paper geyser]

yes and we all fundamentally disagree with you on that

[cobalt compass]

apex life will be more challenging than as in legacy, by alot

[urban flax]

Yes I don't see a problem in letting people play apexes as soon as they join a server. If you do that, they'd have to stick to the same server to be able to play what they want.

[wise delta]

Set location? You know you have people who will just camp those locations

[lilac swallow]

Tired of people treating apex as if they were an special kind of playables, they are not, they are just normal playables, "im tired of seeing apex and getting killed by them", well if there arent apex people are gonna spam mid sized dinos and small sized Will say "im tired of seeing mid sized dinos and getting killed by then" what do we do know? Limit mid sized dinos too?

[wise delta]

Also

Apex are gonna be hard to grow since even becoming a sub will be hard with Troodons dilos and any mid tier running around

[cobalt compass]

if you remember the utah-ai we had for a few weeks, they were pretty harsh

they will be the biggest bouncers against apex that try to grow on low pop server

[wise delta]

Don’t forget the dryo’s xD

[urban flax]

Just restrict the game to only dryo playable
And you're good

[lilac swallow]

At this point yeah

[maiden anvil]

Hmm stego is kind of a apex herbi and yet I don’t see people treating it like it. Carnos and uthas are able to bring them down, which doesn’t make stego op. Maybe we already have our first apex (stego) but we haven’t seen it because it’s pretty good balanced 😄

[cobalt compass]

nah they'll be fixed with the next update ig

[wise delta]

Just make the game only playable at baby stage of every dino

[urban flax]

Playables like camara, brachi and spino deserve a longer growth time than rex. Just for the sake of logic.

[barren zephyr]

stego isnt a apex

[wise delta]

Stego is a high mid tier

[maiden anvil]

Well in that case...

But it still is pretty close

[wise delta]

But I do think stego will be balanced more eventually when more things are added

[maiden anvil]

Like pseudo apex

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, stego and the other high tiers are meant to bridge the gap between mid tiers and apexes, like sucho and para tired to do in legacy

[wise delta]

Cause I’m evrima nothing is meant to be a walking snacc

[maiden anvil]

Para is not really pseudo apex

[urban flax]

It's supposed to be

[wise delta]

Para is a easy kill sadly

[maiden anvil]

Exactly ^

That is why I don’t think it’s that high

[wise delta]

Doesn’t really have the speed or power to really do anything

[maiden anvil]

Plus para isn’t really meant to be good in combat

It deserve better speed

[barren zephyr]

Para is only easy to kill because the devs messed up its hitboxes, paras headbutt does insane dmg but they messed up its hitbox in the last legacy patch so it cant hit anything

And with alt turn on (like the game is meant to be played) para is actually hard to kill due to it being super tanky and strong.

[kindred flare]

stego will probably be buffed later down the road, just so that its balanced seeing as the biggest thing rn is a carno. or at least i hope it will

[maiden anvil]

^

[barren zephyr]

I wish they just added kentro instead of stego

[maiden anvil]

Plus stego is not a fast animal and would therefore need to be able to fight apexes

Also

I don’t see how para could be any stronger than what it is currently

[wise delta]

What I actually was thinking about do, how about a run through or trample passive thing. Cause rn dinosaurs have hitboxes but nothing happens when those collide right? I imagine a stego running into a Utah or Carno would knock it over and trample it. Rn we only get stuck though. How about actually being able to push through people or actually tranpling things which are small enough

[kindred flare]

kentro wasnt ready, stego wasnt initially meant to be in but they were having issues with the ai version and all the animation where nearly done. plus we would get another animal

[barren zephyr]

Unlike the apex herbies which curbstomp carni apexes, stego should be able to deter things like rex, not body it.

[urban flax]

Trample damage is coming

[maiden anvil]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

para would beat everything other then sucho if its hitboxes worked

[maiden anvil]

Naaaah

Disagre

[lilac swallow]

Para secondary attack is busted

[maiden anvil]

But if it would need to be that strong, I won’t complain

[barren zephyr]

It can out stam allo and can 3/9 shot it

[lilac swallow]

Except for un existent hitbox

[wise delta]

When a lone para meets allos its dead rn though

[barren zephyr]

para can out stam them

[wise delta]

Ambush is faster than its top speed

[kindred flare]

i love how legacy allo is so insanely good on alt turn servers its broken, its basically an apec grown in 3 hours

[barren zephyr]

And you shouldn't balance a dino based on if it meets a group of something else

[barren zephyr]

Just run away when it ambushes

[maiden anvil]

It’s only a personal opinion I don’t think para should be good in combat. If would have to be strong gameplay wise, I would understand

[wise delta]

I can also 1v1 a para I did that yesterday

The moment you gets its ass its done

[lilac swallow]

I still think para should prefer running over fighting

[wise delta]

Non alt then though^^

[barren zephyr]

Thats only because alt turn is off on 90% of servers and legacy without alt turn is not how the devs wanted the game to played, and because paras headbutt (its best attack) is broken at the moment, if paras headboxes worked it would have prob beat you

[lilac swallow]

And be a very good runner with loads of stam

[kindred flare]

non-alt turn allo is... kinda pathetic ngl

[wise delta]

You think so?

It has quite a small turn radius

[maiden anvil]

I did a suggestion on para having a call attack that would mess up any other creatures vision.

[kindred flare]

true, or maybe its just me, i can take down rexs and stuff but i keep rubberbanding everywhere then getting one shot by the last pixel of my tail

[wise delta]

I think things like that should be left to strains

[maiden anvil]

No no no no

[barren zephyr]

just make para slightly slower then dilo and give it insane stam. boom para is viable and actually plays like a para would irl.

[wise delta]

Maybe even a ramming ability so it can push through when a crowd is surrounding it

[urban flax]

Deafening para makes sense actually, it had super strong vocal capabilities

[wise delta]

Cause I do think a para would be able to bodycheck some mid tiers xD

[maiden anvil]

Para sounds are typical for that creature to be special. Therefore I don’t see why para wouldn’t get a call attack

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, leave the fighting to ceratopsids and stegosaurs and the running to hadros as it should be

[kindred flare]

para is big, it would make sense for it to have a CC ability. makes more sense than magy

[lilac swallow]

Para is a runner with loads of Stam and some good cc

[maiden anvil]

^^

[barren zephyr]

para should have the highest group limit of any mid tier imo

[maiden anvil]

^^

[kindred flare]

para and maia

[lilac swallow]

Boom viable and para like gameplay

[kindred flare]

any hadrosaur

[wise delta]

Maia is cute and fast but it sucks sooooo much

[maiden anvil]

Maia is too fast

[barren zephyr]

no its not

[wise delta]

Maia is the good kind of fast

[lilac swallow]

Maia is better carno than carno, I fail to see how it sucks

[kindred flare]

yay, para is a good animal, i beleive ive already said why i hate magy tho...

[barren zephyr]

The only thing maia has going for it is its speed

[wise delta]

Cause maia is just speed

[lilac swallow]

And being heavier than allo

[maiden anvil]

Galli should be just speed

[barren zephyr]

why should only one animal have one niche?

[maiden anvil]

Didn’t say that

Many animals should have

[wise delta]

I think hadrosaurs should have combined speed and stam, things like galli and pachy have some speed with some sort of ability to make them very fun to play

[barren zephyr]

magys a good animal though

[maiden anvil]

And Maia should definitely be fast. Just not faster then utha or dilo

[kindred flare]

if you make magy good you shouldve picked amargasaurus...

[barren zephyr]

^^^^ this

Hadrosaurs should be the basic herbies while other herbies would be the slightly gimmicky ones

[lilac swallow]

Speed and Stam, yes, but more speed than Utah sized animals? Hell no, they would just body Utah sized animals like Utah, pachy or galli

[barren zephyr]

what? You can make magy good without making it amargasaurus

[maiden anvil]

@wise delta agreed

[wise delta]

That’s why I was talking about a hitbox collision thing earlier, if something like that is implemented you could body some lower weight class animals to make room to run away

[kindred flare]

no, its super small and light, and if you take allos new run speed there is no way magy will escape without looking stupid. i mean how would magy look normal escaping this

[wise delta]

It also would be a very punishing thing for people who play utah and miss pounce, they’ll get ran over

[barren zephyr]

make magy able to deter allo then.

[kindred flare]

how

[wise delta]

Poison farts

[barren zephyr]

stomp, neck slap and tail whip him.

[lilac swallow]

Getting ran over because of a mistake is what should happen, getting ran over because you are slower than a way bigger animal even if you don't make mistakes is a no

[kindred flare]

stomp something twice your size and weight??

[urban flax]

You know boars can deter bears, right ?

[lilac swallow]

Boars are boars

And have tusks

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, its a video game

[kindred flare]

magy has... ballsack neck

[urban flax]

Magy has osteoderms

[wise delta]

Its quite logical though, would a dryo live if it would get ran over by a para?

[urban flax]

And a stronk jaw

[barren zephyr]

Make magy take nearly 0 damage if you hit its neck.

[lilac swallow]

Where is my flying trike then?

[maiden anvil]

This?

[kindred flare]

a video game that wants to be realistic

[barren zephyr]

No it doesn't lol what

[wise delta]

YES

That’s exactly what I meant

[maiden anvil]

😄

[kindred flare]

then why are they making everything align more correctly to there paleontologically accurate sizes

[maiden anvil]

^^^^^^

[wise delta]

You seen spino?

[maiden anvil]

YES

[lilac swallow]

The game is tryi g to find a balance between realism and fiction, that's why we don't have flying trikes

[maiden anvil]

Utha is small af ngl

[barren zephyr]

Because they want to? If they wanted the isle to be accurate we wouldnt have anky, asutro, spino, acro, alberto, utah, herra and a whole lot more

[maiden anvil]

For its real size tho

[lilac swallow]

Also, please don't confuse realism with accuracy, they are not the same

[kindred flare]

with a few exceptions for gameplay reasons. magy couldve been changed to amargasaurus and nobody would complain

[wise delta]

True xD

[urban flax]

Their only common point is that they are sauropods. Amragasaurus is like 5x the size of magy

[barren zephyr]

It def isn't just a "few exceptions" lol, and why can't magy be included in there as a "expectation"?

[urban flax]

They just don't belong to the same niche

[kindred flare]

exactly, making it large and heavy enough to deter allos and albertos

[lilac swallow]

Love how I get ignored

[barren zephyr]

Why would anyone play amraga when they could play cama?? At least magy has a purpose as the pseduo mid sauropod

[wise delta]

Can I use that animation in a suggestion?

[urban flax]

That's like saying to replace Utah by rex...

[kindred flare]

because wasnt cama getting replaced for magy

[barren zephyr]

no?????

[maiden anvil]

Go ahead dutchie

[wise delta]

Thanks thanks

[maiden anvil]

Just tell me I did that animation

Sorry

Just add in the suggestion I did that animation

[tepid gate]

Magy is nowhere near a pseudo-mid sauropod. Amargasaurus is much closer to Magy's size than to Camara's size

[maiden anvil]

Image this attack but it was amarga instead

[kindred flare]

you could literally add some spines, scale it up a bit and boom amargasaurus, viable and not stupid

[barren zephyr]

"If you change the animal then you get another animal"

[kindred flare]

yes... thats what i said

[barren zephyr]

and its dumb

[kindred flare]

magy is already dumb

[tepid gate]

Not in this case, it's really not

[barren zephyr]

If you scale up dibble and add cooler looking horns its just trike

[kindred flare]

yes, but we already have trike

[tepid gate]

Yes but you don't have to do that because Trike is in the game

Amargasaurus and whatever else is not

[barren zephyr]

I don't get your point

[wise delta]

Made my suggestion now I am just waiting for it to get butchered xD

[kindred flare]

the point is magy in its concept seems unviable, hence you shouldve picked bajadasuarus or amargasaurus and it would be fine

[tepid gate]

I genuinely hope Magyarosaurus ends up being fodder. I'd much rather have an animal that's worthless than have it be immersion-breaking. Which is exactly what an Allo/Alberto-deterring Magyarosaurus is

[kindred flare]

^

[tepid gate]

If it dies to the mid carnivores quite easily I'm fine with it w/e - if people can hide well enough with it then good for them

[barren zephyr]

I would be fine with playing magy if its just fodder honestly and relying on hiding, but it doesnt need to be.

[urban flax]

You're still suggesting to replace a dino by another one 5x its size. They're not even in the same tier.

[lilac swallow]

But aken, didnt you know isle is not realistic and magy beating allo is totally fine

[kindred flare]

magy isnt exactly allo-detering material. i dont have the mid tiers list sorry

[lilac swallow]

Its just that unviable

[barren zephyr]

I can see a magy detering a allo if it tries hard enough

[tepid gate]

Amargasaurus and Bajadasaurus aren't 5 times Magy's size

[kindred flare]

magy at full hight is still smaller than an allo

[tepid gate]

Bajadasaurus is slightly over twice the size of Magyarosaurus

[barren zephyr]

and?

[kindred flare]

and, hows is it gonna fight it. let alone the apex trio

[tepid gate]

I can see Magyarosaurus deterring an Allo in the same way I see a Dryo deterring a Cerato

[urban flax]

Dryo isn't made for fighting. Magy is.

[lilac swallow]

This

[tepid gate]

Neither of them is made for fighting

[barren zephyr]

What a insane comparison

[tepid gate]

Magyarosaurus is a dwarf sauropod that evolved in an isolated ecosystem where the largest terrestrial predator was a really tiny animal.

[barren zephyr]

It would out stam allo and run away from anything bigger

[tepid gate]

Well Dryo deterring a Utah then

[lilac swallow]

Sauropods arent made for fighting they are just way to Big, something magy fails to be

[barren zephyr]

Its a video game, not real life.

[tepid gate]

I mean I'm fine with Magy having much more stamina than Allo, I just don't see how that would make it survive an encounter with Allosaurus

[kindred flare]

magy was hunted by hatz irl, which would be quetz, so it would hide in the trees right??? but this is a game where huge ass carnivores are also slatking the bushes

[lilac swallow]

Its not a cartoon Game neither

[maiden anvil]

Magy would have better stam than Allo indeed

[tepid gate]

Sure, it's a video game. You won't be seeing mercs punching Utahs into submission with their fists though, right?

[kindred flare]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

A magy deterring a allo isnt the same as a 85kg human fighting a polar bear

[tepid gate]

Fine, a human fistfighting a Herrerasaurus

[lilac swallow]

Seriously, its allways "just a Game" only when It helps an argument

[tepid gate]

which is the size of an African Lion

[maiden anvil]

[barren zephyr]

a 85 kg human fist fighting a 175kg dinosaur isnt the same as a magy deterring a allo

[lilac swallow]

Do you see para beating Rex? No right? Magy beating allo is the same, same size difference

[urban flax]

Besides, magy, like every single dino in The Isle, is genetically modified. It isn't just a dwarf sauropod with no predator, it has been made to fight off things stronger than itself.

[kindred flare]

exacty, never gonna happen

[wise delta]

I would actually pay money to see this

[lilac swallow]

Yeah isnt the same, human-herrera size difference is smaller

[barren zephyr]

Size isnt the only thing that matters

[paper geyser]

size matters a lot in this case

[wise delta]

Also I think there has been said magy will have ways to defend itself besides the bad taste

[lilac swallow]

175 is just barely more the double of 85, 3 tons (allo) is 3 times magy

Size matters a lot when you have no spyki weapon

[wise delta]

Im pretty sure magy might be made viable but will still be used to sport hunt lmao

[tepid gate]

People just watch too many action movies or w/e where a small dude defeats someone much larger than them. Size matters, a lot, typically it's the best indicator of how an encounter will go.

[lilac swallow]

When all you have is your body size is the only thing that matters

[lilac swallow]

This

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't care to sport hunt Magy if it's bad.

[wise delta]

Especially in a dinosaur world size matters.

[tepid gate]

There are weight classes in fighting sports for a reason

[lilac swallow]

Aken spiting facts again

[paper geyser]

^

[idle ibex]

cant be argued, brachi gets the longest growth timer

[barren zephyr]

A video game isnt real life.

[paper geyser]

a big person can be just as fast as a small person, only difference is they have double the weight behind their punches

[wise delta]

For humans size doesn’t always matter in a fight, sometimes its pure skill. But imagine a primal world were you either have to be big or fast. If your to small you get eaten if your to slow you get eaten.

A magy against allo would probably be compared to the saying “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”

[tepid gate]

A video game that attempts to be realistic. This isn't saying that it's meant to be paleoaccurate but it's trying to somewhat emulate how reality would work to make it a believable experience. If I end up punching Herrersaurus into submission as a merc that kind of kills the immersion, just like if I can defeat an Allosaurus as a midget sauropod that's close to 2.5 times smaller than it

[kindred flare]

it shows a 50/50 matchup with a cera, it also shows a CC type ability. but how is that gonna face up against something 2 pr more times the size and weight of it

[lilac swallow]

Realism=/=accuracy

Cera is 1/3 the size if allo

[barren zephyr]

The isle isnt meant to be realistic

[kindred flare]

it is ment to be semi-realistic

[lilac swallow]

Give me a flying trike the

[paper geyser]

the isle absolutely tries to be realistic in its matchups and general logic

[kindred flare]

^

[idle ibex]

magy is poisnous to eat if i remember, why would a allo go out of its way to kill onr eitherway unless theres perks that allow you to eat them

[tepid gate]

That's not going to make much of a survival horror experience.

It's not poisonous

It merely doesn't taste well take that as you will.

[barren zephyr]

and it sometimes isnt realistic, sometimes they take liberates so they can have a more fun game

[wise delta]

What I see is magy having a bodycheck and a bite

[kindred flare]

true, but magy is only fun after its dead, which in turn is no fun

[kindred flare]

everything has a bite. even stego and hypsi

[idle ibex]

i mean magys got spikey osteoderms on its shoulders

[wise delta]

Cause its still humans playing the dinosaurs

[idle ibex]

and they become sharper and longer once its elder

[paper geyser]

it takes some liberties which are believable. A dwarf sauropod beating a theropod 3 times it's size is not believable

[barren zephyr]

Its not going to beat it, it would deter it.

[wise delta]

You have plenty of people who would hunt magy not for food but for fun

I can already see servers rules, “only kill things that are edible” ffs

[kindred flare]

exaclty, people can just leave the body there, its not like theres rules or anything

[lilac swallow]

I would even hunt magy as a trike

[tepid gate]

I mean - the devs have chosen this animal for a reason so perhaps they have a very good idea as to what kind of experience they want it to provide the player with. Maybe they can come up with something. In general it might still survive if it sticks to areas where Allos and Alberto don't go but defeating one of these in a fight or outrunning them? Yea... that's a no from me.

I wouldn't hunt something that's easily killable and poses no threat, it's a waste of time as far as killing for sport goes in my opinion.

[kindred flare]

the point is, Magy, in its initial concept seems like a very bad choice for the isle in terms of viability and play experience

[tepid gate]

Just like I don't touch young Tenontos and Stegos as an adult Carno.

[wise delta]

I also actually never kill subs or juvies unless I’m starving

[barren zephyr]

Magy would be fun

[kindred flare]

how

[lilac swallow]

Thing is i dont kill for sport, only for food or defense but im making am exception with magy

[kindred flare]

you cant kill anything

[tepid gate]

I see

[kindred flare]

you just waddle away

[barren zephyr]

then you out stam the allo

[wise delta]

I don’t like ruining someone else’s gameplay and nor do I not like having a good fight

[barren zephyr]

give it pygmy elephant run

[kindred flare]

"conceptually ridiculous"

[barren zephyr]

What? Magy having a lot of stam isnt "conceptually ridiculous"

huh?

[kindred flare]

pygmy elephant isnt running away from a nearly 3 ton fast predator though

[barren zephyr]

I was just saying it would be a nice animation

[kindred flare]

plus, the allo could just catch up with the stam it has

[barren zephyr]

Legacy isnt evrima

[urban flax]

Allo has no stam it isn't in game

[maiden anvil]

I mean.. LOOK at that armor and tell me it can’t take a few bites from an Allo

(I know it’s elder)

[kindred flare]

i never said that

[barren zephyr]

The regular adults also have armour

And legacy allo was way too good, and with more mid tier carnis being added its safe to assume allo is getting a nerf so it isnt good at every single thing

[paper geyser]

those legs

[barren zephyr]

You JUST said that

[barren zephyr]

here

[maiden anvil]

#general-feedback-discussion message exactly

[kindred flare]

wrong message

[tepid gate]

Legacy Allo wasn't way too good, it was a pretty mediocre animal

The only thing it had going for itself was the fact that there was a couple of animals that were just outright terrible

[kindred flare]

the only thing good about kegacy allo was its ambush and heal time

[tepid gate]

and it could oppress them

[lilac swallow]

A mediocre animal with a busted ambush but still mediocre

[barren zephyr]

Legacy allo was good because most things were trash

[tepid gate]

It's a 12 seconds 1.3x multiplier amubsh. It's above average but it's nothing too crazy. Sub Rex has a 15second lasting one with the same multiplier.

[barren zephyr]

Lets get back on topic, you cant use somethings legacy stats in evrima because you have no clue if its being changed or not

[tepid gate]

It's healing and mobility were quite nice, in all the other stats it's passable, aside from bleed resistance which is hot garbage.

[kindred flare]

yes but why would they suddenyl give allo some shitty legacy rex stamina

[barren zephyr]

So other things could have a niche and they wouldnt nerf it THAT bad.

[elder rivet]

Are you guys still discussing magy

[barren zephyr]

If they just redid legacy balance then why did they even remake the game

[tepid gate]

How long do you think an Allo could run for in Evrima? Going by the run-times of everything else I can't imagine it having a stamina pool that's low enough to make a Magy that's been spotted by it in the open srurvive.

[kindred flare]

because legacy has a crappy code???

thats the whole point of evrima

[barren zephyr]

And it was poorly balanced

You aren't going to tell me that legacy was a well balanced game are you?

[kindred flare]

no

[tepid gate]

It wasn't too bad on the latest patches, it's just that some animals needed some buffs(cerato, para, pachy)

[kindred flare]

but if they update it

it becomes more broken

[barren zephyr]

that isnt the point

We arent talking about that

[tepid gate]

That kind of is the point. Poor balance wasn't the reason for doing the recode.

[kindred flare]

hence evrima, so they can fix things without a massive mountain appearing out of thin air

[barren zephyr]

So that means they wont change a thing about the balance?

[kindred flare]

they are, but if they do it in legacy who knows whats gonna happen

[barren zephyr]

So you're saying im right?

[tepid gate]

Every animal is going to be different but it's extremely unlikely that Allo's stamina is going to be as bad as you're implying.

[kindred flare]

the ast patch resulted in a mountain forming in dv test level and that was an attempt to fix rex hitbox.

[tepid gate]

Especially considering how enormous the stamina pools for all the animals in the game are.

[barren zephyr]

We arent talking about that

[wise delta]

Just think about the fact Utah’s and dilos could kill rexes. Now tell me legacy is balanced

[kindred flare]

yes you are

[barren zephyr]

and allos stam wont need to be that bad for magy to be able to out stam it

[kindred flare]

your saying why make evrima... im telling you why

[barren zephyr]

We aren't you brought it up for no reason to avoid talking about legacy balance

[kindred flare]

you brought it up...

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say anything about legacys code

[kindred flare]

here\

[barren zephyr]

I was talking about its balance...........

[kindred flare]

the last time they changed it

a bunch of things broke...

[barren zephyr]

And that has nothing to do with the balance of the game

[kindred flare]

that was an attempt to fix the balance

yes it did. it was literally a patch to try and fix rexs hitbo

and the whole DV test level map exploded

[barren zephyr]

We're talking about the balance of the game, not the bugs

[kindred flare]

that is a bug that affected the games balance

[barren zephyr]

What does this have to do with magy being able to out stam allo

This started because you said that allo would be able to out stam magy and using legacy allo as evidence

Not because of legacys bugs

[elder rivet]

Stop assuming that things will be the complete opposite in evrima, you don't see slow utahs with 30 seconds of stam do you

[kindred flare]

i didnt say that, i said making magy outstam/outspeed allo is stupid

[barren zephyr]

No it isnt

[kindred flare]

how is it not dumb.

[barren zephyr]

Taking someone's point and making it sound stupid isnt a argument

[kindred flare]

allo is this quick now

[barren zephyr]

magy having a lot of stam isnt dumb

[elder rivet]

I'm not making it sound stupid, it's already stupid

[barren zephyr]

"Magy should be able to out stam allo" isnt the same as "utah should have 30 seconds of stam"

[tepid gate]

It's not so much about Magy having a lot of stam, it's more so about how little stamina Allo would need to have ^ that thing runs at 42km/h in that animation you see there.

[kindred flare]

yes but allo could easily catch up, plus having a lot of stam implies you want to nerf allos current stam from legacy, granted it will get some changes but it wount be too ddrastic

[tepid gate]

It also have a pretty fast trot btw.

[barren zephyr]

Well then make magy not slow

[tepid gate]

Having said that I don't think Magy having a tonne of stamina more is an issue.

[kindred flare]

well then it looks stupid.

[tepid gate]

We've already seen Magy's running animations and... while they aren't "slow" by the standards of the legacy quadrupedal herbivores... they are still pretty slow by comparison to most animals in Evrima.

[kindred flare]

it is slow compared to that ^^

[elder rivet]

Did you even read what i said? "Stop assuming that things will be the complete opposite in evrima", and someone said that they thought allo would have a small amount of stam

[barren zephyr]

someone said that they thought allo would have a small amount of stam

what does that have to do with me, reply to the person that said that.

[elder rivet]

I wasn't directing it at you, read the message again

I didn't know who was saying so i didn't reply to anyone

[barren zephyr]

Why even say it then

[kindred flare]

mans is determined to defend his magy

[barren zephyr]

Because magy is a good animal

[kindred flare]

no it isnt. irl it was barely viable. in TI its gonna get crushed

it was hunted by a freaking pterasaur

[barren zephyr]

How was magy unviable irl?

[paper geyser]

irl it was viable because its only predator was a bird lmao

[kindred flare]

exactly

[paper geyser]

magy might as well be considered a rare failure

[barren zephyr]

Well we'll see when magy is added if its going to be good.

[kindred flare]

but now its got predators on the ground aswell as in the air

[barren zephyr]

magy would body ptera

[kindred flare]

quetz

[barren zephyr]

and quetz

[kindred flare]

not ptera

[paper geyser]

they love fictionalisation, imagine how much they could've done with amarga or bajada

[kindred flare]

quetz is bigger than hatz. hatz was magy's predator, so dont say it would body quetz

[barren zephyr]

quetz is 550kg

magy is 1300kg

[kindred flare]

so? its huge and can impale magy if it wanted to

[barren zephyr]

Magy would just hit with its neck

and it dies.

[kindred flare]

thats not how physics works

[barren zephyr]

its a video game

[kindred flare]

with realistic intention

[barren zephyr]

Quetz wouldn't be able to fight magy either way

It weighs over 1000kg more then it

One hit and the quetz would probably run

[kindred flare]

so does allo to magy. yet you seem to think magy can fight allo. so whats the difference

[barren zephyr]

No ones talking about allo

we're talking about quetz

[paper geyser]

jesus

[kindred flare]

yes, but your point can be easily countered with allo

"magy can fight quetz cause chonk"

"magy doesnt need to be chonk to fight allo"

[paper geyser]

"a small dinosaur can beat a big dinosaur"
ok so the other one can too
"no"

[barren zephyr]

Well I can see magy deterring allo if it tries hard enough, thats it.

"Quetz can kill magy even though magy weighs more then 1000kg then it"
so magy can deter allo
"no"

[tepid gate]

Quetz can't really kill Magy. Magyarosaurs are speculated to have been preyed on by Hatzegopteryx which is a more robust relative of Quetz. They very likely preyed on young Magyarosaurs. Besides that - Quetz is significantly better armed than Magyarosaurus. I'd argue that it would still have a bad time if the animal 4 times heavier through its weight around against it.

I'd honestly worry even about Magy fighting off a Carno and Utahs. Tenonto is quite a bit bigger than Magyarosaurus and it's not exactly having an easy time against either. Meanwhile we're talking about a sauropod which is both smaller and slower than Tenontosaurus.

[barren zephyr]

carnos getting nerfed once more dinos are added

[tepid gate]

And where does this idea come from? It's 3 times the size of Utahraptor(more than that actually) yet it has only twice more health. I don't see any evidence of Carnotaurus getting a supposed nerf when more animals are in the game. As it is - it's the biggest terrestrial carnivore we're getting in Evrima.

[barren zephyr]

because its allo sized at the moment, its not meant to fight things in its tier.

Fast small game hunter

[tepid gate]

There aren't very many things in its tier in Evrima.

The animal might be Allo sized but it has the stats of a Carnotaurus. Its power and health aren't close to those of an Allo.

[barren zephyr]

Its still too strong, once bigger carnis are added a carno pack wouldnt even dare to look at a stego

[tepid gate]

It's also getting a downsize so that its stats actually fit the size of the animal.

The only reason why Carnos dare to look at a Stego is because Stego has a garbage attack that can be abused by its opponents.

If it wasn't for that they wouldn't be even approaching it

[barren zephyr]

And because stego was nerfed so it wouldnt be OP

[tepid gate]

And it's not too strong

I don't know about Stego being nerfed so it wouldn't be op.

[barren zephyr]

Stego is weaker then its supposed to be because theres nothing that can deal with it

Its getting a weight buff soon to

[tepid gate]

It seems like most of the things you say is just how you feel about the game. I haven't seen any dev say anything that would imply that Carno is stronger than intended or that Stego is weaker than intended.

[barren zephyr]

Hypno said stegos getting a weight buff, or at least heavily implied it

This was like last week to

[tepid gate]

It is likely getting a weight buff because they're trying to make it so that animals fit the sizes of the largest specimens of them irl. Weight buff =/= stat buff.

The only thing weight changes is the interactions between CC attacks of animals how they can be carried and how much food they yield.

It doesn't affect combat in Evrima so it's a moot point.

[barren zephyr]

True, but its safe to assume that weight buff/nerf means a general nerf/buff to the animals stats

[tepid gate]

No, it's not

[barren zephyr]

it is

[tepid gate]

It literally absolutely isn't and it's just your assumption. From everything that has been said nobody implied that either Carno or Tenonto are getting changes to their combat stats.

[barren zephyr]

Weight is a good way to guess how strong something is

a 4kg stego isnt as strong as a 6kg one

[tepid gate]

It's just a value in Evrima. The animal isn't getting a size buff because of this. We already have a 6t stego in the game. It's just that it weight value is lower in the game. If Carno's weight was reflective of its size it would weigh close to 3t

[barren zephyr]

And even then why wouldn't stego get buffed? It would be useless against large carnis that it cant run away from

[tepid gate]

It might get a buff later on, I hope it does because its attack is hotgarbage.

That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't have much of a bearing on Carno's status as the largest and strongest terrestrial predator in Evrima.

[barren zephyr]

huh?

[tepid gate]

Stego getting buffed doesn't change the fact that Carno is the biggest predator. It doesn't make Carno weaker than it is atm.

It might change this specific match up but that's it

[barren zephyr]

I'm talking about in the future, sure carno is the biggest now but its going to get dwarfed by bigger things

[tepid gate]

That doesn't change how its going to interact with Magy which was the initial topic of this conversation.

[barren zephyr]

magy could deter a carno

[tepid gate]

Tenonto and Carno have a close to a 50/50 match up. Magyarosaurus is quite a bit smaller than Tenonto - see the problem there?

[maiden anvil]

Idk about that. Carno seems a little stronger than teno

But I get the point

[barren zephyr]

Carno isn't that much bigger

and magy will have different stats then teno

[tepid gate]

Carno being Carno, even Utahs are an issue - those can hunt a Tenonto as well(although they don't fare nearly as well as they used to). Utah is half the size of Magyarosaurus, how do you think Magy is going to be handling packs of those?

Yes, since it's literally quite a bit smaller than Tenonto, it shouldn't have the same stats(obviously)

[barren zephyr]

yeah but you're acting like magy is just a smaller teno

[tepid gate]

No, I'm not, if it was just a smaller Tenonto it would be in a much better spot than it finds itself in. Tenonto has far more things that can allow it to be viable even if it's to be made smaller, than Magy does.

[barren zephyr]

Stat wise I can see magy being more tanky then teno

[tepid gate]

How? It's much smaller

[barren zephyr]

Big neck

[tepid gate]

cool, lower damage multiplier on the neck then, no effect on the hp, that still leaves out the head, torso and the tail to get mauled by the predators.

[barren zephyr]

Tail takes the least damage on most things though?

[tepid gate]

Yesn't but not really, the locational damage works in mysterious ways

[barren zephyr]

Would be pretty hard to snipe a magys head to

[tepid gate]

E.g. on Carno it seems that the tail takes just as much damage as the neck

on Stego it appears to have a multiplier higher than x1.0

[idle ibex]

magy is not «much smaller» than teno

they are around the same size

if not the same

[tepid gate]

1.1t compared to 1.6t, that's a pretty big difference

[idle ibex]

tons is what your on about there

the mass of teno is bigger than magy then yes

[tepid gate]

Yes, the mass is what dictates the size of wild animals.

[idle ibex]

but magy is a tiny bit taller than tenonto if youve looked at the size charts for evrima

[tepid gate]

Just like an elephant is bigger than a giraffe despite the fact that a giraffe is taller

[idle ibex]

(though they aint official)

exactly

[tepid gate]

Actually nvm, I can see that Magy's weight got an increase, it's considered to be 1.3t now

[idle ibex]

i imagine magyaro is the giraffe to elephant teno

[tepid gate]

Yea but an elephant is still bigger than a giraffe so my point stands

[idle ibex]

yep, didnt disagree with it in the mass part just size as in how they look like

youd think magy would be bigger if you just looked at the animals in evrima

cause its taller

[tepid gate]

It depends, I would have to actually see it next to an object of reference. As it is I only saw it prancing around an empty space so it's hard to say how large it's going to be. If they make it significantly larger it just becomes a different animal though so there's that.

[kindred flare]

@low flame yeah 5 would be a legacy cao of each animal. I keep forgetting they are targetting 500 or something like that

[barren zephyr]

Apex limits are just dumb

[kindred flare]

Whats dumber is having half the server apexs

[low flame]

no they arent. They prevent everyone on a server from being a rex or giga, which adds diversity to playstyles

[barren zephyr]

You could do this but just balancing apexes

There's no need to limit them for no reason

Making them hard to grow and keep alive would do the same thing without preventing players from playing what they want

[kindred flare]

If you balance an apex, its a mid tier. Apexs are meant to be powerful but its no fun when all you find are huge ass rexs and gigas everywhere.

[barren zephyr]

Putting a limit is just a band-aid to a issue of apexes being OP

[kindred flare]

Which contributed to the afk growing in legacy

[barren zephyr]

Then balance apexes

[low canopy]

guess what happens then, people control those slots at all times, i find it amusing how devs and the community at large underestimate just how organized and serious some parts of the community are

[barren zephyr]

Yep, I can already see clans taking up all the rex slots

[kindred flare]

And make it a mid tier. Thats nit the po8nt of an apex

[low flame]

why not add limits to apexes AND balance them?

[low canopy]

people take every advantage they can can get over others even if it costs money or time

[barren zephyr]

You guys just sound like you dont know how to balance things bigger then a allo

rex is easy to balance

[low canopy]

i can because i'm part of this problem

[barren zephyr]

The point of HYPOS is to be unbalanced, apexes are still normal dinos

[low flame]

wrong. apexes are supposed to be slower but stronger then mid tiers. Currently they are just better mid tiers in every way but stamina.

[kindred flare]

Its easy to balance it
Its just dumb when a server with only 100 people consists of 60 apexs

[barren zephyr]

then just make it hard to get apexes

[low flame]

which is exactly why i dont want hypos in the game

[barren zephyr]

me to but they're going to be added, nothing we can do.

Might be cool seeing a hypo rex tho

[kindred flare]

By grow times? You know someones just going to roam the edge of the map

[barren zephyr]

Then they would be super weak

you do know diets are a thing right?

[kindred flare]

Not if they just roam around

[barren zephyr]

Then they would put themselves in danger

[kindred flare]

Sitting there makes you weak, but if you just walk in a big circle then your fine

[barren zephyr]

What?

How does that make sense

[idle ibex]

could just utilize the server option i suggested in the console where you can change growth times of creatures

servers could just you know

[kindred flare]

Because its a game mechanic. If you sit there the game will pick uo on that. But if your moving it wont punish you

[idle ibex]

make apexes long to grow

and with very demanding playstyles could be few and far in between spotted

[barren zephyr]

You also have to eat things in your diet, so you cant just eat dyros as a juvie rex

You have to actually hunt and take risks.

[kindred flare]

There will be an ai for most creaturs

[barren zephyr]

and?

[kindred flare]

You can find your diet

[low canopy]

we dont know how diets are going to work out yet

[idle ibex]

ai still attacks people tho

[barren zephyr]

If a juvie rex manages to kill a juvie trike AI then they deserve to grow faster.

[low canopy]

if you wont receive any permanent stat reductions for not following your "diet" whilst growing, then its meaningless since only thing that matters is reaching adult without starving

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but if you find even another apex that followed their "diet", you would be screwed.

And you would lose hours of progress

[idle ibex]

permanent stat reductions might be overkill imo, maybe make it possible to be able to recover in some form from thode

those

[low canopy]

it is, i just think that people put too much faith on diets to "balance" things out

we have hundreds of ai on the map atm. its honestly far easier to grow carnivores in evrima than in legacy atm

[barren zephyr]

Why would someone AFK grow a rex for 8 hours just to die to a rex that grew in 7 hours whos stronger then it

That's how diets would balance the game, it would make people actually play it and a juvie apex looking for food would be a easy target for anything, that would keep the apex population down.

Apex caps are stupid.

[hybrid matrix]

alright what is the topic

[idle ibex]

apex diets and apex player caps

[hybrid matrix]

oh
bye

[tepid gate]

Apex limits are a terrible idea and it was already explained by Dondi why that's not going to be a thing.

[urban flax]

I will add to apex caps someone brought up everytime dino caps were suggested, what if you grew an apex on a server, but when you wanna return there and play it, there is room in the server but the apex cap is reached ? Grow another one on another server ?
That's why apex caps are a bad idea

[idle ibex]

well obviously as we all know it would most definitely lead apexes to eachother by permanent blood smell so that only the good players overcome

that was sarcasm

[low canopy]

i know some people might not like it but there is certain server with apex territories that they need to maintain and control and it does magic on apex pops honestly, i don't know if that could ever be implemented in a stress system or the like or even if that would be a good idea, just an idea

then again people would find a way to work around all those systems so it would probably end up meaningless either way

[urban flax]

please not a stress system

[lilac swallow]

Stress seems good on paper, but you know on practice people will purposely stress other's dinos

[worn pumice]

For the people who have wanted to put caps on the apexes good luck with that lol

[lilac swallow]

Imagine putting limits on what you can play

[urban flax]

Just make apexes paid unlockables already

Like on those chinese servers

[lilac swallow]

Specially in games wre you are supposed to spend time with a single playable

[worn pumice]

im surprised they all dont have 40 x's considering ths is the isle

[low canopy]

honestly though, hats off to devs if they can figure out to balance this

[urban flax]

Well these suggestions are recent

[lilac swallow]

Because surprisingly there are more people who bitch about apex than people that are diehard apex mains

[worn pumice]

i mean we do wanna balance the ecosystem kind of

but many people are gonna play the bigger dinos

its just natural

[low canopy]

the game is just more enjoyable if you see all the tiers being played

[worn pumice]

ofc

but most people wanna be a big dino

[lilac swallow]

I would love the server to have a more balanced ecosystem, but if that means that when I do want to play a big Dino I may not be able to then its a no

[worn pumice]

^

[lilac swallow]

I want to play trike and spino whenever I can, because unlike most isle players I don't live inside isle

Hard to fill but long lasting stomachs > easy to fill short lasting stomachs
Specially for apex, they need to hunt big dinos and risk their lives but they aren't 24/7 hungry searching for more prey

[urban flax]

@idle crescent @celest furnace talk in here

[celest furnace]

Ah ok

Sorry

What does everyone think of protoceratops growing a horn when it becomes an elder? Idk if I like it or not. Hbu?

[urban flax]

Well I don't really like it. Protoceratops' main feature is that contrary to other ceratopsians, it doesn't have a horn.

And if it doesn't have a horn when fully grown, there is no reason for it to grow one afterwards. That's not how growth works.

[celest furnace]

I agree wholeheartedly! My friend just proposed it and I was thinking about it

[lilac swallow]

I mean, part of the appeal of proto is being THE hornless ceratopsian, not to mention that elders are just older dino's they won't magically grow horns

[celest furnace]

What about a trike loosing a horn in battle? Or it being worn after being old/ a lot of use

[lilac swallow]

Permanent injuries are a no personally

[urban flax]

The problem with trike losing a horn is that it would need to alter its model and mesh, and that'd put too much stress on the game engine

[low flame]

whats the appeal of having one less defensive tool?

[lilac swallow]

If your Dino is permanently weaker may as well just suicide because you aren't surviving the next fight

[urban flax]

Well ask the animal

If it evolved without horns, there's a reason for it

[lilac swallow]

If you don't want to be a hornless ceratopsian you just don't play proto

Proto is proto because it's hornless

It's like giving elder trike a thagomizer with the excuse "why would you like a less weaponized trike)

[low flame]

id rather have psitta fill in the small burrowing role instead of proto

we already have ava as a small ceratopsian

[urban flax]

But psitta is much smaller
And biped

[low flame]

it still fills the same role, will have similar stats, and have similar defensive tools (burrowing)

[lilac swallow]

I dont say I want both proto and ava, but if you give horns to elder proto may as well just play ava

[low flame]

just because a dinosaur looks unique doesnt mean it will play uniquely

[celest furnace]

I want proto

[celest furnace]

But there’s a higher chance of it

[lilac swallow]

And I didn't say it

[urban flax]

If devs decided to include proto as well as ava in their game, they probably thought of a unique niche for it already

[low flame]

but so far the only unique niche they have for it is burrowing

[celest furnace]

I never cared for Ava, just keep proto, but make it too big for burrowing so we can keep taco

[low flame]

which dryo and psitta already have

[celest furnace]

Exactly

[urban flax]

We're gonna have both taco and proto

[celest furnace]

Yay!

[urban flax]

Dryo won't burrow in evrima

[celest furnace]

😄

Why not?

[low flame]

dryo is too big to burrow

so that actually makes sense

[low canopy]

that is not the reason

[urban flax]

It's not that it's too big to burrow, it's simply not a burrower.

[low canopy]

since ava can burrow steal

[urban flax]

I think ava will be able to dig its own burrows

[worn pumice]

dryo im pretty sure isnt a burrower anymore

but who knows

lets see what they do

[urban flax]

I just want dryo to be nocturnal tbh
Though having good nightvision also means that it could likely live underground

Maybe it'll be able to share other species' burrows, or steal them ? It'll likely not dig them though

[low flame]

am i the only one who wants para to be a nocturnal?

it would be like a giant plant eating owl

[urban flax]

I don't really see why..?

[low flame]

because we dont have any nocturnal herbis

[urban flax]

Being nocturnal serves for a herbivore to remain hidden from predators. But something that big and that loud can't really effectively hide
There are many better nocturnal herbi choices

[celest furnace]

I agree

Also I’m so excited to get rid of the survival and non survival dinos. If you want to make a Dino for people to play with, then don’t make it practically impossible to get one! I like the non survival dinos, I just hate that you can’t select them when you spawn in.

[urban flax]

Well the problem with non-survival dinos is that they were unviable or never finished in legacy

[worn pumice]

non survivals werent meant to be played that why

thats*

only the survival dinos were supposed to be balanced

any they could've been in the future

but the code before was garbage so they remade it

hence the recode

[celest furnace]

Oooh so non survival dinos failing led to the recode?

[urban flax]

That's not the only thing

[low flame]

non survival dinosaurs were notoriously unbalanced

[urban flax]

Everything was failing in legacy

[celest furnace]

Ahh ok

[worn pumice]

basically everytime they tried to update the game everything would break

[celest furnace]

Like the drying update?

[urban flax]

Do you know that Acro is like 30% bigger in legacy than it's supposed to be because of a bug ?
I think that explains pretty well how messed up the old code was

[celest furnace]

Dryo*

[celest furnace]

Oof 😥

[worn pumice]

like just recently thy tried to fix the chinese server things but in the end everyones hit box got messed up

and the lighting went to shit

[celest furnace]

I remember that

[worn pumice]

ye

[celest furnace]

Wow

[worn pumice]

thats just one example of a small update not even a big one

[celest furnace]

So it’s a good thing that they switched

[worn pumice]

imagine doing a big update with that code

yea thank god we got evirma

[celest furnace]

Cool!

If only it didn’t take so long for upcoming updates but oh well it’s still super fun

[urban flax]

Well they still have many core mechanics to do

[tribal ruin]

I fell into a rock

who should i talk to 😛

[urban flax]

I assure you updates will only get faster and faster
This one is the biggest we had so far

[worn pumice]

the next 2 updates update 3 and 4 that are coming will take a while

especially 4

and 5

[celest furnace]

So...if you could create update 9, what are the 2 dinos and new “system” would you add (ex: fishing, poison etc)

[urban flax]

If you're refering to a bug, you should report it in bug reports if you're playing evrima, otherwise you can check the pinned troubleshooting

[celest furnace]

Those are the majority of upcoming updates 😦

[worn pumice]

if i had to pick i would pick another flyer so ptera has competition and I would pick allo

[celest furnace]

Why is that? Also what about the new system?

[urban flax]

If I was to create update 9, the 2 dinos I would add would be tribals and mercs, and the mechanics would be inventory and crafting systems

[worn pumice]

so quetz for competition for ptera and then allo because stego can have a predator to watch out for

they can also then

balance stego easier

with bigger carnis

[celest furnace]

That’s interesting, why do you want to add humans?

[urban flax]

Because game will have to be balanced around them. The sooner they come in, the easier it will be to balance new dinos around them.

[worn pumice]

once the foundation mechanics are all set and we only need more playables updates will come much faster

[tepid gate]

I would hold on with such statements, Happylion

[celest furnace]

Why would we need to balance dinos around them? They’re the little ants, they should make humans balanced around the dinos

[worn pumice]

i feel like mercs will be the hardest to balance

[worn pumice]

just giving my view

we dont know what 9 will be or any hints about it so lets see what they do

[urban flax]

That's not how it works. Humans are an entire faction, just like dinos are. They'll have a set of weapons and tools, and the simple fact they exist will change everything.

[tepid gate]

As it is, it would appear that the animations take a tonne of time and while Kissen has mentioned that they're thinking about getting a new, additional animator - as long as that additional animator isn't hired the dinosaurs might still be delaying the updates simply due to the fact that each one of them requires over a 100 animations to be made.

[worn pumice]

^ true

[urban flax]

You can add a dino that works perfectly fine with other dinos, but as soon as you add humans, it becomes useless because it can be killed from afar and has absolutely nothing to counter it.

[celest furnace]

I would add para and sucho and make the update sections. Such as a para will feel uncomfortable around a trike. Idk I’m still thinking about the system part, I might change it

[tepid gate]

Therefore I think that even if all the mechanics were in place we wouldn't necessarily be having faster updates just because of that.

[worn pumice]

hope they get a new animator all the new animations feel very weightless

[tepid gate]

I think it's kind of 50/50 I think that Carno was quite weightless in its animation previews but I'm perfectly fine with how it feels in the game.

Spino seems to lack some heft in its animations but I think those might get fixed by the time it's in the game.

[worn pumice]

carnos animation is not too weightless but in game it def feels a lot better

[celest furnace]

Nvm I would do para and proto, make the update climates. Such as storms, hurricanes, maybe even droughts!

[worn pumice]

stego on the other hand feels like ur floating sometimes

[tepid gate]

Yea Stego perhaps feels a bit floaty at times while running.

[urban flax]

Actually, weightless walk animations, as bad as they might seem, make sense for big dinos. The last thing they want with how heavy they are is to throw their weight around.

[worn pumice]

stego needs more of legacy spino treatment moving its weight around properly then galloping

[urban flax]

What's a real problem is for example spino walking on its tiptoes, but since it was a WIP animation I think that was just overlooked

[worn pumice]

stego trot and walk arent too bad honestly

the run needs work tho

[urban flax]

Stego gallop poses a problem too because it's too slow and the stego goes flying

[worn pumice]

^

[celest furnace]

I want a teno 2 call to be changed, it just sounds like heavy breathing

[worn pumice]

stego galloping doesnt rly make too much sense to me considering the body of the stego

it also weighs 6 tons so theres that

[worn pumice]

yes teno 2 call doesnt sound very good

[celest furnace]

But no one likes playing a super slow Dino. Take beasts of Bermuda and apatosaurus it’s just so tedious to walk 1mph

[worn pumice]

ppl will play it

everyone may not like it

but theres ppl who love that tanky life style

[urban flax]

False. Many people complained about new anky because they liked the slow-paced gameplay of old anky.

[worn pumice]

^

[urban flax]

That's probably not a majoity, but there are people who like to take it slow

[celest furnace]

Ofc they do, just saying not as many people will enjoy it

[worn pumice]

thats fine but a good amount of people like slow game play so we need to compensate for them

[celest furnace]

True

[urban flax]

Problem with those speeds is that devs want players to be able to travel across the map, which is not possible wiaht a 1 km/h fast dino

[barren zephyr]

@kindred flare why should there be Dino caps? You'll just be blocked from playing on your favourite server if you don't wanna sacrifice your progress to start again

[worn pumice]

also apato in BoB is very different then say anky or stego

apato is a sauropod

[celest furnace]

I’m just waiting for nesting, it sounds really exciting, so does diets. The poison just scares me that I might hallucinate and the color update is only cool because of the dinos in it

[worn pumice]

honestly troodons arent too big so if they actually balance them well bigger dinos wont need to worry as much

[urban flax]

Yeah nesting will make the game so much more interesting

[worn pumice]

nesting will def make more ppl come back

[celest furnace]

Has no one realized that they haven’t added any ceratopsian in any upcoming updates? Does it bother anyone else than me? Because I like it when there’s all kinds of dinos, and they’re doing a great job at it I just wish update 9 would have a ceratopsian

[worn pumice]

same with deino and ptera

[urban flax]

Okay, my turn to ask questions to dream with. What's the playable you're the most eagerly waiting for ? (apat from humans)

[celest furnace]

Can I have several?

[urban flax]

If you can't decide between them, yes

[worn pumice]

favorite playable hmmm

[celest furnace]

I can, but I love all of them too much

[urban flax]

Mine is velo

I really want to know what they're gonna do with it

[celest furnace]

I’d say para, dibble, cera, magy, and proto

But

[worn pumice]

choose one

[celest furnace]

I can chop that down

[tepid gate]

Ermmm... the fate of Velo doesn't sound too good so far.

[worn pumice]

velo lol

is compy gonna be playable

[plucky ridge]

You probably are right with the things that you are saying but this is a game and the needs to have more horror features implemented into the game. there are other creatures in the game that we don’t know if they could do the things we want them to do but we’re still making them do it and implementing them because it makes the game more interesting for example the dilo.

[celest furnace]

Ok so I know how para and dibble are

[urban flax]

Devs initially wanted compy to be playable, but they might have changed their minds

[celest furnace]

So I can chop those off

Erm

Ok I’m chopping of cera because it’s a carni

[tepid gate]

"Maybe? I mean, it’s unlikely but isn’t out of imagining. They’ll all appear once we’re ready to start up sandbox modes again" - this is about Velo, Oro and Taco.

[urban flax]

Velo is as horrendous in legacy as it could be super cool in evrima

[celest furnace]

I’m most excited about proto and magy

[tepid gate]

They seem to be relegated to sandbox animals so far.

[worn pumice]

honestly i would say my favorite is either spino or trike

[urban flax]

Just think about it. Winged raptor. Fastest predator in-game. Able to do sick tricks and zoom around with extreme agility

[tepid gate]

I honestly don't see anything interesting about Velo that Troodon wouldn't be able to do.

[worn pumice]

who needs speed when u can literally charge anything u want

but then again theres spino whos very interesting as an apex carnivore

[celest furnace]

I just feel that magy is underrated

[urban flax]

It is

[worn pumice]

ima be honest i hate magy a lot

but i hope it does well

[celest furnace]

Why?

[worn pumice]

its just

it feels useless

[celest furnace]

It’s such an interesting concept

[worn pumice]

but hopefully in game its coo

l

[elder rivet]

when the magy is bad! 😳

[worn pumice]

sus

[urban flax]

oh come on