general-feedback-discussion

[light nimbus]

Mine is super loud for some reason.

I even turn my headset down just to be able to hear everything, including dryo calls

[bronze oasis]

Sometimes my sound is too loud or too low

🧐

[light nimbus]

I turned down the ingame settings to make it more bearable but that also turns down dryo calls

[paper oriole]

Probably just me being irritable but dam there are so many repeat suggestions for deino bleed heal like people don't scroll up for 3 seconds to see if it was suggested 2 times already lol

Noooo thanks i don't want to be forced to hide from rainstorms like BoB that's just legacy night time all over again where players afk or log off for its duration, incredibly boring

[light nimbus]

I think wrong chat xD

[paper oriole]

What

?????

[light nimbus]

Someone posted about a temperature system and how it could involve rain in the other feedback chat

[paper oriole]

This is the channel where you respond to feedback

You are not supposed to respond in the feedback channel

[light nimbus]

Oops

[paper oriole]

Yea lol

[light nimbus]

Didnt know lol

[worn pumice]

Lol

[finite lagoon]

Well that just leads me back to my first point on the original post. That "They don't bleed like meatsack humans" comment is really applicable to ALL reptiles, not just crocs. Seriously, go grab one of the anoles from under your house (they are there, believe me) and lop its leg off (dont actually, it's cruel.). You'll get blood pooled around the leg and maybe a drop or 2, but that's it. No massive bloodloss unless you cut it clean in half or decapitate it. That trend is pretty much true for all reptiles, even big ones like crocks. So talking about "It needs to apply to all future water dinos" does apply, just as it should apply to all non-giant dinos. Rexs, Spinos, ect. are different, they're gigantotherms, which means they probably required different vascular methods than normal reptiles and also didn't need to "bask" like other reptiles, so they'd probably still bleed due to the enormous pressure from the weight of the sheer volume of their blood. But everything else, yeah, really shouldn't bleed like that.

Also saying that Bary/Sucho were close enough to crocodilians to be considered aquatic is... not super accurate. They have adaptations that allow them to hunt effectively in water, but are obviously Therapods and are not suited to long bouts in the water beyond the period needed for hunting. I get that for the game's sake they are branded aquatic, but the way it would bleed would be closer evolved to things like raptors and allos than a crocodile. Still, really wouldn't be much different probably, but they are much more "evolved" than the new croc, which is an ancient, time-tested "build", so if we're saying raptors and carnos bleed in a certain way, suchos and baryonyx should mimic that system and not the system given to crocs.

[silent current]

this is also the isle and they aren't here to give you accurate dinos

[finite lagoon]

Right, so arguing the point that a system in crocodiles today can't apply to the other aquatic-brand dinos in game because "they aren't crocs" is sort of moot, wouldn't you agree?

Besides, replacing the normal bleed for aquatics with a high-ceiling, heal-in-deep-water would be much simpler and less resource intensive to the devs (less wait time for us players <3) is better in my opinion than making a hyper-specific, new-models-and-systems-requiring mechanic anyway.

[silent current]

i mean i don't know much about dinos but i still think itd be unbalanced to add a healing source in the water

[finite lagoon]

H-... Heal for bleeds, not overall health lol

[silent current]

from a playing stand point it sounds like a disaster

yes still sounds bad to me

[finite lagoon]

Deep water works the same as mud for them, is what I meant. Cant attack, just wait it out.

[silent current]

if i am a carno and need to wallow in mud to get rid of my bleed and have to worry about being attacked by other land creatures or semi aqutics semi aqutics shouldn't get off scot free

[finite lagoon]

Keeping them moored on-land with mud leaves them much more vulnerable than other land-based carnos who touch mud once and can fight again.

[silent current]

deino isn't vunlerable outsidxe water though..

its a semi aqutic doesn't mean itll just die outside water

[finite lagoon]

But is much stronger within it. And it is vulnerable to anything that could reasonably fight it in the first place.

And again, not just deino we're talking about here.

It's pretty slow on land though, I don't see how that isn't a vulnerability.

[silent current]

ik and when you thinka bout it deino and other semis shoudln't just get rid of the bleed in the water

[paper oriole]

you shouldn't be seeking out a fight against deino, only semi aquatics should be pursuing them underwater. why would most dinos like rexes and shit need to dive under water lol. the terrestrial roster getting diving/underwater capabilities would make things worse for beipi and minmi who use it as refuge too

[silent current]

Their needs to be SOMETHING to make them get outa their comfort zone

[paper oriole]

they dont need to "effectively fight" deino in the water when they are terestrials, they only need a way to defend against attacks. that's the point of there being terrestrials and aquatics

[silent current]

otherwise its jsut "oh no I'm hurt. Might as well dive into the water as I'm the only thing that can do it to heal myself

[finite lagoon]

Their comfort zone is also a prison, because bigger dinos can just hang out and starve them. It's not a "buff" to hide in water, hiding in water is the whole point of them.

[silent current]

yes but you just said they can heal and water and starving isn't an issue for deino it can eat the fish

Its litterally been shown it'd be pointless to try and starve it out in the first place

[finite lagoon]

And it's unfair to pull them -out- of their comfort zone while injured with bleed when a rex who's bleeding can hit mud for 2 seconds and not be bleeding anymore, still in it's comfort zone.

[silent current]

Its no different than a herbi idk grazing to keep it alive

its not much but your not gonna starve it out either

[dense wagon]

these deino suggestions are

[silent current]

so that argument is completely invalid

you can't starve it, and it can heal in its natural enviroment

seems like a unbalanced mess to me

that's why i'd prefere its healing to be outside the water rather than in it

[worn pumice]

the main thing is having deino healing outside of water otherwise it'll be too safe

for bleed heal tho

[finite lagoon]

I mean... why would it ever leave water anyway? To maybe... get more than a 10% food bar? Because it's boring? Is it unfair and unbalanced that a carno can outrun the Tentos who inured it? Your argument isn't really making sense at least to me.

[silent current]

EXACTLY

Have you not seen a crocodile outside of water?

Have you not seen them layign around outside of water?

[worn pumice]

normal healing underwater is fine cuz other semi aquatics will come

but bleeding should be healed on land

[silent current]

yeah exactly

[dense wagon]

I think, in order to effectively fight Deino, other dinos would need a way to dive underwater...

imagine jumping into the water to fight a crocodile @limber oyster

[worn pumice]

lol

[paper oriole]

ikr

[silent current]

It'd be waay too safe if it could just magically heal bleed in the water no matter what\

[worn pumice]

watch a rex dive head first and catch a deino lol

[paper oriole]

rex dives into the lake to wrestle with big crocodile

[silent current]

it needs to have something to get it out of its confort zone

[paper oriole]

terrestrial preds arent supposed to be actively looking for fights with deino lmao

[worn pumice]

heal bleed on land, heal normally in water my suggestion

[finite lagoon]

It is safe in the same way a gali is safe on land bc it's fast. It's also not able to finish a kill from an ambush (which is the only realistic way it's going to be 'hunted' anyway) if it's stuick underwater NOT eating your face off. It's not "safe" it's a hinderence. You shouldn't be healing bleed in the midst of a fight anyway.

[silent current]

And like i mentioned if I as a terrestrial creature needs to go out of my comfort zone by wallowing or drinking water it doesn't make sense why deino and other semiaqutics have no risk of being in the water at all

The water just becomes a safe zone unless theres another water predator and that won't be for a loong while

[dense wagon]

deino doesn't need to get out of its comfort zone
other dinosaurs need to get IN to its comfort zone
being primarily situated in water does limit player interaction @silent current

[paper oriole]

if they have bleed show up on deino's radar maybe an injured deino in the water will spark a cannibal feast frenzy anyway lol

[limber oyster]

@dense wagon Imagine being in the water and unable to defend yourself at all...

[dense wagon]

why are you in the water

[silent current]

yes but to heal off bleed it'd be nice to have deino only able to heal it on land

[worn pumice]

but why have other dinos get in its comfort zone when it doesnt have to get out of its own comfort zone?

[finite lagoon]

They do have risk? Huge carnivores that can just walk on the bottom? Other aquatics? Literally the Deino is an AMBUSH predator, it shouldn't be just waltzing around the map anyway, I do not see your point.

[silent current]

it allows at least a chance of being able to kill one

[dense wagon]

simple solution, DONT GO IN THE WATER.

[limber oyster]

@dense wagon Who never goes in water?

[silent current]

yes but how long till we get any of those aquatics

[paper oriole]

look both ways before you cross the stream

[worn pumice]

trikes are the only dino who can drink w/o having to care about deino lol

[silent current]

i mean the thing i could seen that could come the soonest that would be a threat to an adult deino is sucho and that's even a stretch

[dense wagon]

i dunno.. a terrestrial animal?
sure on occassion you may have to cross a river or smth, but you just have to stay alert

[paper oriole]

styraco might be in a good spot against deino when drinking if he makes it to the final cut too

[finite lagoon]

WHY are you trying to kill it? Carnos, allos, and any similar-sized terrestrial carnivore should not be hunting deino, they should be hunting their own prey. Defending against a deino is as easy as walking at a moderate pace away from it, you're wanting a killcount not a balanced game.

[worn pumice]

maybe shant too cuz shant is an absolute chonk so

[silent current]

If a younger deino is on land healing off bleed makes it a good target

but if they can heal bleed in the water that litterally just allows them to afk grow at that point

you make things waay too easy and for what?

[dense wagon]

filipe is trying to work on clearer water. the deino wont be invisible as long as you pay attention and steer clear of the murkier areas

[worn pumice]

yea i saw this in the stream its pretty cool

makes u think about where u wanna drink at

[limber oyster]

Terrestrial animals go in water all the time. Whats your point? My point is it would be hella fun to be able to dive as any dino, and it would make defending against a deino possible, instead of completely impossible.

[finite lagoon]

Bruh why are you hunting it. Why are you taking a dino designed to be IN the water, out of the water? So you can kill it. It's not a herbivore, it's a carnivore, it isn't meant to be "hunted". It's already balanced by being slow as shit on land you don't need to make it be there more than it already has to to get places.

[silent current]

i'm not gonna have this conversatiuon anymore as its impossible to reason with this guy enjoy your broken water bleed healing mess

[worn pumice]

what even wha- imagine a rex diving in a lake to kill a deino lol

[paper oriole]

if you gave terrestrials diving to defend against deino they would just use it to actively hunt semiaquatics, not defend themselves

[dense wagon]

do they actively dive into the water looking for a crocodile to fight?

[limber oyster]

@worn pumice Most of the water sources in spiro aren't even deep enough for a rex to dive in.

[dense wagon]

maybe jaguar cerato but

[limber oyster]

I've been studying the bottom of the river, it's shallow... very shallow.

[silent current]

If you can't see the obvious red lags of how that could be easily manipulated and gives deino no risk for a long period of time and makes them basically being spoon fed like a rex than I guess your just blind :/

[worn pumice]

but still that makes zero sense why have terristrial dinos jump in the lake to try n fight a deino

[limber oyster]

Its not about fighting, it's about having a fighting chance...

[worn pumice]

?????

[paper oriole]

fighting chance: stay in shallow water

[worn pumice]

dont go in water simple answer

or shallow water

[finite lagoon]

I feel like people here don't understand that the point of the game isn't hunting other carnivores, it's about survival. You pick a dino, and you face that dino's specific challenges in an attempt to grow and thrive (or make bebes). We shouldn't give dinos specific nerfs so other dinos have an easier time killing it. We gonna make it so Pteras cant land on high ledges? MAke it so gallis can't run fast while being hunted? That mentality is whack.

[dense wagon]

think about it
being able to go up and down in the water isn't going to save you from an actual crocodile
and even if it could, do you think its logical to fight the deino in the water? or would it be better to just stay away from the dangerous murky areas?

[paper oriole]

fighting chance: pick up some buddies and use them as meat shields

[worn pumice]

deino will have competition it just wont rn becuz theres no other semi aquatics thats why

wait till spino gets in

and sucho and the other dinos

[silent current]

What is this guy on? Who said anything about debuffs on dinos XD I simply said semi aqutics shouldn't heal bleed in water and it should be on land to get them on the edge of their confort zone if I have to risk drinking and healing bleed as a tarrestrial creature shouldn't semi aqutcis be on the edge of their cconfrot zone and have to RISK healing bleed outside of water as well it only makes it balanced and fair

[worn pumice]

semi aquatics healing bleed on land is balanced so that why they cant just stay in the water all day while healing too

[dense wagon]

i don't mind that
what i do mind is being able to dive underwater to fight crocs

[worn pumice]

lol

[silent current]

exactly what I was tryna tell others

[limber oyster]

All I'm saying is, right now, as the game is, Deino has no threats to it's survival besides other deinos. It can live off fish, it never has to leave the water, and it can attack players that can't attk is.

[worn pumice]

stego would like to speak

[limber oyster]

Sucho and spino aren't even on the road map yet.

(tho they are on the way)

[worn pumice]

stego is gonna win on land i doubt a deino can facetank spikes

[paper oriole]

yeah well if you let players dive to duke it out with deinos you'll also end up with ceratos diving to kill the minmi that is supposed to be out of reach and other shit like that lol

[silent current]

The models that the devs showed deino grabing never faught back but I hope the grab works like utah pounce where you can cause their stam to deplete quicker or even fight back

[worn pumice]

that was just a work in progress they said their exploring with weight so yea

[silent current]

For all we know the stegos we saw deino grab in the streams could just as easily thwack its eyes out

[dense wagon]

idk, other deinos can pose a pretty big threat dude
and since terrestrial players can just avoid dangerous areas, deino isn't broken

I do hope that the player interaction issues do not become too major though

[worn pumice]

deino isnt broken by any means in the end its giant alligator

[paper oriole]

deino's diet for a damn long while will most likely be other deinos anyway until more stuff is released

[silent current]

yeah i don't see it brokwen but I do feel like it should heal bleed outside of water

[worn pumice]

and fish

healing should def be done away from water

[silent current]

Fish is like the herbivore version of grazing

[dense wagon]

can we talk about minmi? it seems to just be a sea floor snack for deino if it's just gonna be a small hippo

[worn pumice]

normal heal is fine but bleed heal out of water should be balanced

[silent current]

"Starving. Here eat a fish."

[paper oriole]

yea i kinda worry for minmi

[limber oyster]

Exactly... how is minmi out of the way exactly?

[worn pumice]

ah minmi

[silent current]

I see mimni as a snapping turtle

[limber oyster]

Minmi looking like a snack...

[silent current]

a cute lil snappy boi idk whi

[worn pumice]

i mean if they let it burrow

itlll be fine

like the concept art

[dense wagon]

a possibility is being able to burrow itself into the river sediment like in the concept art.. only the concept art was on land not underwater

[limber oyster]

Burrow underwater?

[worn pumice]

yes

[dense wagon]

yeah

[silent current]

burrow into sides of the swamp walls

[worn pumice]

would be an interesting thing

[silent current]

Hehe Swamp mole

[worn pumice]

it wa shown in the concept art

[paper oriole]

there's clearly gonna be people who just outright don't kill minmi because it's cute like some people do with austro in legacy, but that shit aint gonna keep it safe from like 75% of predators

[worn pumice]

lemme pull that out rq

[dense wagon]

underwater burrowing like this

[silent current]

no the other one with the babbies

[limber oyster]

If minmi could burrow underwater, then why not let Deino burrow underwater to heal bleed?

[silent current]

because healing bleed in water is broken

[sick crescent]

Because minmi has a niche saying it can

[paper oriole]

because then deino is basically afk in a safe hidden spot away form danger to heal lmao. he's an apex predator he doesn't deserve that

[dense wagon]

going on land to heal is better because it's more of a challenge + more player interaction

[limber oyster]

It still has to breath...

Neither deino nor minmi have gills.

[silent current]

And rexes in legacy still had to eat and drink but that didn't stop them now did it?

[dense wagon]

it can literally just come up for air in the middle of a lake??

[worn pumice]

found it

[limber oyster]

There are other deinos to fight it... it's not that broken...

[dense wagon]

all it has to do is poke its nostrils above the water

[silent current]

If players can sit and just tab back into the game for air they won't care

[dense wagon]

i found it first

[silent current]

not that one

[worn pumice]

[silent current]

the other one

[sick crescent]

Its not even a burrow

[dense wagon]

this?

[silent current]

I was think that one

[sick crescent]

Thats a burrow

[silent current]

The sides it can dig into and just sit there comfy

[dense wagon]

i didn't say it was a burrow, i said it was burrowing
digging itself into the ground
but both work, really

[worn pumice]

it can dig into underwater spots would be cool imo

[silent current]

yee

itd be cuter too

[dense wagon]

beaver minmi

[silent current]

omg use mimni as carni bait for deino XD

[worn pumice]

also dont forget deino is massive so it might have trouble finding something as small as minmi

[dense wagon]

or otter, or muskrat, or..

[worn pumice]

plus minmmi can go to shallow water

[silent current]

and it also gives smoll deino snacks

[dense wagon]

it has underwater sensory

[worn pumice]

oh yea tru tru

[silent current]

oof bebe deino infiltrate mimni burrows xD

[worn pumice]

welp guess we'll have to see what they do with it

[dense wagon]

austro..

[worn pumice]

austro mighr be too big

might*

austro is skinny

but its not small

[paper oriole]

i'm hoping baby minmis are fast as fuck in the water with bursts of speed until they get older too

[dense wagon]

it has a narrow head, could poke its head in

[paper oriole]

idk austro might be able to stick his freakishly long face and neck into one of those burrows

[worn pumice]

[dense wagon]

fix austro face

[paper oriole]

especially if we're getting the alien abomination from the concept art

[sick crescent]

Not likely

[worn pumice]

fix asutro in general its just strange looking

asutro lol

austro*

[dense wagon]

it looks like its been photoshop-warped

[worn pumice]

it does

its neck is like a pencil

[paper oriole]

its so anorexic and deformed

think its missing par tof its ribcage too

[silent current]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-run-funny-gif-11959806

mimni

[dense wagon]

fast

[paper oriole]

like our rex seems to be as well but even worse on the austro

[worn pumice]

i hope these are added one day and its a physcal thing

[paper oriole]

yes i hope minmi can panic sprint like that

[silent current]

victorian lilies yus

[dense wagon]

yeah where are the lily-pads and the deino duckweed interaction

[worn pumice]

in a stream it showed a bby utah jumping on it so

actually yea

wheres the green duckweed algae on top of deino

thought that was a thing

[silent current]

i think they had frame drop issues with em

[worn pumice]

[dense wagon]

even on the devstreams
when deino swims through the swampwater the duckweed doesn't do anything

[silent current]

with the lilies

[dense wagon]

oh, did they

[worn pumice]

guess they're not adding it for frames ig

hope its added at some point tho

[dense wagon]

makes sense, but they would've been so cool

[silent current]

yeah they wanted to add weight to them

[worn pumice]

yea like we have lily pads but their just there as a texture

[silent current]

so they sinked if certain creatures went on them and it caused frame issues

[dense wagon]

minecraft did it

[silent current]

so they canned it who knows it could come back

as for the duckweed deino

[worn pumice]

[dense wagon]

[worn pumice]

finally found it

[paper oriole]

nightmare fuel

[silent current]

give it the deeper toned coucoubara calls XD

[worn pumice]

it rly is

[dense wagon]

this one looks edited

but very slightly

[paper oriole]

it is an edit lol

[dense wagon]

looking for the edit i prefer

with a slightly thicker and more realistic neck

[worn pumice]

theres a rly good concept of the austro it looks nice

[dense wagon]

this neck is so thin its unbearable on a reptile

[paper oriole]

if we got concept austro it would def end the trend of people sparing its life because of cuteness

his reign will end, minmi's will begin

[worn pumice]

but like fr tho austro isnt small at all tbh

[dense wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/769609891022372905/Awesomeraptor.png this one i like

[worn pumice]

yes this one so much better

[paper oriole]

tbh i kinda like the unique trist they did with austro's wings/feathers, gives it personality, but its anatomy is shit

[junior crow]

@dense wagon Do you mean this one done by froglegs?

[paper oriole]

so if they kept those unique features and then fixed its anatomy it would be

[dense wagon]

ye i just posted it

it's a great edit

[junior crow]

ah just saw it my bad

[dense wagon]

np

[paper oriole]

like that one has good anatomy but it has the boring basicbitch raptor feathers lol

[vast wolf]

austro is getting tweaked

the background sketches for it were fine just the foreground one was nasty.

[worn pumice]

[paper oriole]

… isn't that just bajadasaurus

Or am i missing something

[jade schooner]

@half horizon eventually. They were a long time ago in the scope, but were left on the backburner. They intend to use everything they have/had planned. So, we can only wait/expect

[paper oriole]

I don't think we can really consider Bajadasaurus a ‘new’ dino discovery at this point. It's been discussed plenty in the server too. I wish we got it instead of Magy though

[junior crow]

Personally I can see it being implemented still, as a medium sauropod, Bronto or Apato as a Large Sauropod, and Camara and Brachy as Apex Sauropods

[hybrid matrix]

I'm sorry but what avian threat will any of the semi-aquatics have to worry about?

[worn pumice]

Deino should worry about Rex if it goes too far from water

Actually it should worry about other apexes in general when out of water

Apart from that though I doubt a rex

[hybrid matrix]

@turbid cape Dunkleosteus?

[worn pumice]

Is diving head first to catch a deino

Hmmm dunkleosteus

Maybe

[hybrid matrix]

ok but where would it live?

if they add dunky then they gotta add some other oceanic aquatics bc im telling u rn, dunky is gonna have a hard time swimming around the island via rivers

[turbid cape]

I dunno @hybrid matrix , it is a very far away in the future forecast... maybe not even possible. These are not my ideas, I just reposted someone else's (TheGroggyTurtle) that cant verify a discord account. Just saying.

I agree, ocean's lifeforms

[hybrid matrix]

alright

but again

What avian threats??

[junior crow]

Hatz or Quetz for younger Deinos maybe

[turbid cape]

I think they were good ones. Maybe far fetched, but good

[hybrid matrix]

wut flier is going to actively hunt a fully grown deinosuchas

[junior crow]

Hypo Quetz maybe

[turbid cape]

full grown... nothing can stop a full grown deino

[hybrid matrix]

:/
2 words
two rexes

or

actually

ANY OF THE STRAINS

[turbid cape]

Hypo Quetz maybe. I am going to sleep btw. Good night 😉

[hybrid matrix]

u cant just dip in the middle of an unresolved debate

[paper oriole]

Writes wall of text essay in feedback

Dips when someone tries to debate

[hybrid matrix]

[junior crow]

tbf that was from a different user he was just saying what they wanted to say

[hybrid matrix]

true but still

[junior crow]

also tbf no one owes you a debate

[hybrid matrix]

at least defend the ideas that u posted

fine

its just

[junior crow]

not trying to be an ass just saying

[hybrid matrix]

dont say smthn in #general-feedback and not expect a debate (if its controversial)

[junior crow]

I don't think he was expecting people to just nod their heads in agreement, just wanted to post something from another user, see what people thought about it when he got back

[hybrid matrix]

ok, well idrc

stop typing

this is resolved

[junior crow]

I was just going to talk about something else?

[hybrid matrix]

i said stop

oh

ojk

srry

nvm

im leaving

bye

[junior crow]

ok?

One thing I wanted to discuss was regarding Deino balance (not what Gab re-posted) personally I like the idea of Deino having to go back on land to regain stam, I don't think it should loose stam when floating or when underwater (when underwater it should be loosing O2). Healing bleed might be a tricky thing and I'm not sure how they're going to do it

Personally for the time being I think making it have to wallow would be the best bet since it has no competitors in the water atm

[barren zephyr]

hes going to bed bruh

[junior crow]

I know, I said I didn't want to talk about specifically what Gab posted, rather I wanted to continue the discussion of Deino balance

[barren zephyr]

yes

mainly meant derp since the dude was legit going to bed

[junior crow]

ah ok, Derp said he didn't want to continue that convo regarding Gab so I just dropped it

[golden iron]

the people that x out the ideas where deino should have to wallow in mud and stay out of the water so its not op are the same people who think the old fighting ass riding system was fair

i dont see how thats relevant to the conversation

or any conversation

[green lion]

Sorry lol

[mental sleet]

Careful with rumors, Ato.

[sonic cloud]

I still see Suchomimus as a better choice than Albertosaurus.

Albertosaurus is a catastrophe waiting to happen and would be a disaster to add

[worn pumice]

Dondi only said in stream that he wanted Alberto not that it IS coming so I doubt it’s gonna come out

Plus they prolly wanna finish deino and ptera so they can push the update out and everyone’s happy

[limber oyster]

Honestly, Deino rolling in mud and sitting on the shore to heal bleed makes the most sense so far... however it would make deino really vulnerable, especially as a baby. However, I think Deino should be able to regain stam underwater by resting on the bottom.

[paper geyser]

stam regain by resting underwater is extremely op

horrible idea

[paper oriole]

The people who wanted deino to bury himself in mud at the bottom of rivers to heal

[golden iron]

[paper geyser]

"oh yeah it's a disadvantage for deino because it'll be immobile!"

[golden iron]

like

[paper geyser]

literally gives it two extra abilities

[golden iron]

so far the deino has no disadvantages

as long as its near water

[paper geyser]

sometimes i'm glad they don't listen to the community

[paper oriole]

Literally makes it untouchable to almost the entire roster and camouflages it during its duration “but they can't move during it guys it's ok”

[golden iron]

but like, every land dino has a disadvantage. They only have trees to run to, to escape and that not even guaranteed to work. But deino is nearly invincible in the water

forcing players to leave the water at points will balance out the gameplay by making the deino vulnerable in situations

until more aquatic dinos are added, deino needs to be released with that fact in mind

[worn pumice]

honestly all semi aquatics having to just use mud is fine imo

cuz at any point in time they can just chill in water

[vast wolf]

its more for the posibility of future aquatics. something like a fish or mosasaur for instance.

[worn pumice]

i would say semi aquatics and terristrial dinos using mud is fine

and aquatic dinos if their added can have their own mehcanic

[lime gulch]

@limber bloom there is already a toggle between a walk and belly crawl. Besides amarok suggested the speed be a bit slower for the croc anyway

[vast wolf]

yeah thats fine

[worn pumice]

wait i just wanted to know if crawl is basically "walk" for deino or is it the crouch?

[kindred flare]

No quadraped has a crouch

[lime gulch]

I’m not sure on the key commands myself, I’m assuming the crouch in this case would just be its crawl like xplo mentioned

[worn pumice]

alright makes sense

[worn pumice]

talking about keybinds not a deino crouching that would be a meme

[kindred flare]

In that case, walk and crawl would most likely toggle with "Z"

[worn pumice]

@limber bloom deino is specifically designed to be much more vunerable on land, not useless but def more vunerable

[kindred flare]

I made a suggestion about the deino bleed but it just got drowned with other ones

If deino qas good on land and an apex in the water then its just broken

[worn pumice]

yea theres a lot of things about deino so i didnt even bother suggesting it

[kindred flare]

Maybe make bleed slightly less effective in the water but no real way to get rid of it in there. Gators dont really see bleed as an issue irl but if you implement that into a game its broken, have it bleed in the water and then later down the line when spino is added, deino will actually have a threat while being bleeding in water as blood is now trackable. That was my suggestion but i only think like 1 person saw it

[worn pumice]

the only reason i want for bleed heal being out of water is for balance otherwise if deino can heal hp and heal bleed then it would be broken cuz it can just dive down heal up everything and come back

[lime gulch]

But then like mentioned, once Spino and other semiaquatic animals are added, the deino won’t always be safe

[dense wagon]

if they're gonna make cerato a good swimmer like in the concept art, then subs and juvis aren't even gonna be safe in the water, and cera is coming as soon as the gore update

[vast wolf]

cerato wont be able to dive and its not going to be super fast just above most normal animals.

[worn pumice]

cera if it is fast cant dive

actually no terristrial dinos can dive they just go back to the surface if they fall in the water or jump in it

[vast wolf]

its not a true semiaquatic and it seems to speed along the surface.

[worn pumice]

i mean looking at cera it doesnt exactly look like a semi aquatic so

[vast wolf]

spino beip deino sucho austro and bary will likely dive. minmi will just move like a hippo.

[dense wagon]

it is shown wrestling a young deino so

[worn pumice]

but their both on the surface

[vast wolf]

its also standing so

that deino got ambushed and killed the end.

smae thing could have been done by a carno or allo.

[worn pumice]

even if they were swimming in the water it was on the surface

[dense wagon]

so it's only vulnerable in shallow water
bruh deino needs to actually have some sort of challenge

[worn pumice]

sadly its not going to atm

it will soon

[vast wolf]

its weak as fuck until its grown.

[worn pumice]

but not this updat

e

[crimson phoenix]

deino wont have any challenges till other apexes come

[worn pumice]

eventually other semi aquatics r coming so not much u can do

[dense wagon]

go in water, live off of fish ai, boom you're a giant ass crocodile now

[worn pumice]

for now

eventually other stuff is gonna be added

austro and bary and sucho will def be massive threats for deino when its tryna grow

[dense wagon]

don't have to be strong if you can just camp underwater

[worn pumice]

i mean unfortuantly theres not much u can do

just gotta wait till other stuff is added

[dense wagon]

hostile fish

[worn pumice]

shark ai wen

[crimson phoenix]

im a little worried that deino will be like legacy trike (in that you practically never see one that isn't full grown) but i hope that seasons/droughts will force them to move and fight over territory

[vast wolf]

mungle eating babies when

[worn pumice]

hostile fish is pretty cool

i mean they are adding muskellunge

which is hostile

[vast wolf]

no fish are hostile atm.

[worn pumice]

oof

[vast wolf]

mungle should eat babies.

[worn pumice]

well muskies are preds so

and their fast

[worn pumice]

hopefully they make it hostile eventually

[vast wolf]

add alligator gar when.

[worn pumice]

tiger fish wen

wait

[vast wolf]

tiger fish like deep water and we dont have a lot of that.

[worn pumice]

i think thats already being added

[crimson phoenix]

channel cat fish should be hostile to small things since irl they can swallow some stuff whole

[worn pumice]

realism wise but as an ai tiger fish would be cool

[vast wolf]

alligator gar is better.

[worn pumice]

add both

[vast wolf]

and its the wrong file type for some reason

[worn pumice]

welp hopefully hostile fish are added

eventually

[vast wolf]

that was posted as a png i saved it as a png i posted it as a png earlier today so why tf is it now a jfif

[junior crow]

I got you

Pilop could be a good predatory ai

or Xipha

[kindred flare]

That dunkleosteous tail looking funky. I wish we could have megalodon in the isle, that would be something

[hybrid matrix]

ok

so

i knew that jw majorly over-sized their mosa

but....

...

holy shit

im

im having trouble contemplating how they decided godzilla fish was ok

[dense wagon]

i want this

[junior crow]

Yeah Mosa is a weird one, some people say it was 14 or 17 meters long based on fragmentary remains (which I can't find anywhere). I think the largest one we have is 12.9 meters and some people believe the max was around 14 meters

[hybrid matrix]

i think theyre talking about tylo (but im not great with sizes)

tylo was bigger, right?

[dense wagon]

others believe

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-world-mosasaurus-eat-gif-12953308

[hybrid matrix]

yep

thats

thats godzilla fish

in aaaaallll its glory

[worn pumice]

Maybe u saved the file directly instead of the actual image

I’ve done it before to

@rain bramble i think ur talking about sepcific people in the community. while we all want stuff to be faster certain people can be over top

[rain bramble]

you have to agree more people than not think this game takes a long time to update and release things to the games, i just explained my opinion of why i think it takes long and why i think takeing its time is a good thing

[worn pumice]

i mean it does take a long time but its expected with such a small dev team so

i get what ur saying tho

[rain bramble]

exactly, it also is a mutch next level games that needs time to make it better, and especially keep the game good

[worn pumice]

[steady lintel]

I don’t understand how sea weed can stop bleeding are they wrapping it tight around like a bandage

I see how mud can stop bleeding Bc it fills a surface area and hardens a little bit

[paper oriole]

And algae too like wtf lmao

[steady lintel]

But I really don’t see a a connection with plants

[paper oriole]

Wait a min bro lemme shove some algae into my gaping wounds

[cedar pulsar]

then again mud has a fuckton of bacteria in it often
soifanythingit'dmakeitworse buuuuuuut thats another topic

[paper oriole]

Somebody suggested eating rocks to heal bleed too lmao

[worn pumice]

lol

i too eat rocks when i cut my hand

[paper oriole]

Eat rock, become rock, no more bleed

[worn pumice]

seems legit

[paper oriole]

Deino burrows

[worn pumice]

lmao

deino burrow

[paper oriole]

Aye broh lemme just rub against this tree to heal my gash

[brave rampart]

Actually, mud has antibacterial properties aswell as some other things
People have used it as a natural healing ointment. Like pure mud.

So it's technically true that wallowing in mud CAN help you heal in a sense?

[cedar pulsar]

fair, fair

guess the mud on the islands is very pure

[brave rampart]

Yeah we have no idea where the island takes place lmao

Or location

It could be in the Dead Sea for all we know

[worn pumice]

deino burrowing is a great meme and just imagining it is cursed

[finite lagoon]

Mud has clotting abilities for anything that can bleed, by way of literally stuffing the wound shut with soil particles and sealing the opening. Mud also contains bacteria, like... ALL the bacteria, not "the most" literally all of it lol. It's called dirt for a reason. For most things, not such a big deal bc 'most times' the bacteria that thrives in mud does not do so well in your antibody-ridden plasma, or is common enough in the environment anyway that your body just hitmans it in 5 seconds. But it's not doing your healing any favors other than just helping to clot and being easily broken down by your body. There is no such thing as 'pure' mud. Mud, and soil on the whole, by definition is the leftover remnants of decaying plants and microorganisms (mostly). It's not healthy in the slightest, it has the same "healing" function as a band-aid or literal cement lol.

In fact Clay, which is basically cement that's less good, is often like... Literally mud-ish and found in similar places and is no less good at clotting you up.

[worn pumice]

i mean realism makes for a horrible game

no need to even talk about it honestly

not stating this to you but just in general

[finite lagoon]

Fuck it make raptors fly. I want Raptor-hawks lol

The Pteras need some aerial pressure, it's unbalanced

[worn pumice]

when more stuff comes out it'll have competition

plus its weak af so its not like its gonna kill much

[finite lagoon]

Nah but can harass for sure. Dunno though, could whittle you down with those pecks if you've got nowhere to go. What's gonna be it's competition though, they have other fliers planned? Quetz maybe but that's just a big ptera.

[worn pumice]

quetz is quite massive and will actually be a threat to other things then just ptera

and becuz physics is in the game the ptera cant just fly through things and bite it

[finite lagoon]

In Ark, ptera strat (and really with any flyer) is to fly juuuust above the thing you wanna hit and just aim your 'peck' straight down so it clips the hitbox. I doubt this will be different here with how many games with flight i've seen this sort of meta in. Just hover above and keep hitting, and hitting, and hitting until bleed takes hold and then they can either try to wallow (and die) or keep running (and die).

Be interesting how they fix that. For things that can jump, like raptors, hard to get away with. But like stegos, and carnos... Psh, cake kills.

[worn pumice]

uh

they can just go into the jungle

[brave rampart]

All of those are true along with the healing process

Mud has anti-inflammatory properties along with anti-bacterial and antioxidant properties.
All of these came from, SURPRISE, other animals decaying.
Mud has been used in the tropics as a natural healing ointment for thousands of years, more or less a face mask. And what I mean by "pure mud" is mud that hasn't been polluted by shit like fertilizer and all those other pollutants.
The bacteria inside the mud is most of the time harmless, so it can be applied when necessary.

Now the definition of healthy soil is as follows:
Soil health is a state of a soil meeting its range of ecosystem functions as appropriate to its environment. In more colloquial terms, the health of soil arises from favorable interactions of all soil components that belong together, as in microbiota, plants and animals

[worn pumice]

jungles exist

[karmic plank]

why is the utah in evirma getting nerfed so hard?

[cyan flame]

?

[karmic plank]

i hear they lowerd the speed of the utah and then now we are getting our weight reduced? why is that? wont that lower our damge?

[brave rampart]

Not reduced

Also

Weight doesnt tie with damage

EVERY dinos weight is being redone

To the realistic calculations

[karmic plank]

but weight plays into the damge scale or dud they change that too?

[brave rampart]

Weight doesn't play into the damage scale as of right now

Who knows what they'll do tho

[karmic plank]

so in evrima its flat damage?

[brave rampart]

More or less yeah

Damage

And location damage

[karmic plank]

ahhhh

[brave rampart]

Locational

[karmic plank]

ok i was just going off what i knew about the isle i just swapped over to evrima

[brave rampart]

Weight dictating the damage scale along with the current locational damage would be pretty neat

[brave rampart]

Oh so you're a newbie of Evrima?

Welcome to the game

I'm a veteran

Need tips I'll give you some

[karmic plank]

yes for the most part yes. i played the isle for about a week or two learned all the dinos just about then heard about evirma and the pounce so i swaped and been playing about 3-4 days now.

bc on the isle the damage was on a scale your bite force mixed with your weight and there weight changed the damage.

[worn pumice]

rn its a flat dmg

and depending on the location it will increase or decrease it

tip of the tail now does basically nothing

gotta get body shots

[karmic plank]

yeah or head

[worn pumice]

head is hard but its the most rewarding

obviously

i believe its like 4 or 5x multiplier on head

[karmic plank]

carnos dont have a problem hitting me in the head when it comes to desync helping them

[worn pumice]

yes desync is a big problem rn

[karmic plank]

they have any fixes comeing with update 3 for it?

[worn pumice]

u'll get booted off it too

i mean i hope they have some for update 3

[karmic plank]

yeah i get dc alot too. but i only die from dysncs

[worn pumice]

i know a bunch of balance changes are going to occur in update 3

apart from just deino and ptera being added

teno and carno will have their size reduced by 20%

to give it its accurate size representation

[brave rampart]

@karmic plank

Regarding desyncs

There will be a beta for update 3

That they'll use to stress test and fix things

So likely they'll continue fixing until they can squash the desyncs and crashes

[karmic plank]

shit ill help test i got no issue with that.

[brave rampart]

I plan on acting like a QA tester once it comes out lmao

[proud coral]

Me too

[karmic plank]

do you apply for that or can you just join the betta?

[proud coral]

I think the beta will be for everyone. You just opt in through Steam.

[karmic plank]

ahhh im down

[paper oriole]

Mmm yes i wanna get sniped through 10 bushes by a merc with fancy goggles that would be top tier gameplay i'm down

[worn pumice]

[karmic plank]

are there any bots on discord for evrima yet?

[finite lagoon]

I don't know what anti-inflammatory properties dirt would have other than gluing your skin to itself to create some tension, which I... guess? could mitigate inflammation in the most minor of cases. But that's a stretch. Different types of soils have different types of bacteria that live there, so it may be one of those in some soils giving an actual medically significant affect to inflammation. But like, big maybe. X to doubt. Show me covering yourself with mud stopping inflammation and then prove clay, Elmer's glue and playdoh don't do the same thing, then i'll buy it. As for anti-oxidant, well it's an airtight solid. So... There's that. Mud is anti-oxidant in the same way a block of uranium is anti-oxidant, being that it's a non-porous solid. But it's not exactly some super-healthy filter that just absorbs all the free, uncharged molecules in your blood and gives you 100 years of life. It's full of little things that absorb those FRs and take the heat for you "from the air", but like it's not doing much -inside- you just from smothering yourself in it so... Again X to doubt. I don't believe either of those properties have much to do with dead animals if they're factual at all, being that soil is mostly dead plant matter with the next largest contributor being dead microbes. Animals are far, far less numerous and impactful to soil formation than pretty much all other sources. Although i'm sure insects play no small role in it, if that counts.

[worn pumice]

yup, only dryos atm tho

we'll prolly get rex stego teno utah ai soon too

in no particular order tho

[brave rampart]

Sure there will be different kinds of mud that will do different kinds of things but hey, this is a video game. We have no idea whether or not Isla Spiro takes place in north Dakota or even the Dead Sea (which if it did take place in the Dead Sea, my point would be so much more valid, as Dead Sea mud is filled with salts and minerals that do infact help your body heal.)
Mud does infact have antioxidants, antibacterial properties and such.
As for anti-inflammatory, it's meant to soothe cramps and inflammation, not completely prevent it or stop it. So theres that.
Your body absorbs some of these properties that help it fight off infections, help heal you, soothe things, etc. Just not completely healing you.
Soil is MOSTLY dead plant matter, but it also absorbs the antioxidants and such that animals have absorbed from other animals that have absorbed the same.. and you get the rest.
Look, my point is, mud is a mostly healthy alternative if theres no medical supplies in your vicinity, aka, dinosaurs or animals. They can help soothe fractures (with their anti-inflammatory properties), provide your body with minerals and medicinal materials that are then absorbed to play a role in healing your wounds.

[crisp flame]

For the dieno, how about a modified mud type (sediment) at the bottom of water sources that the dieno can roll in and is waterproofed. Seeing as its only accessible to swimmers it could balance pretty well. Making it more advantaged to stay near water sources.

[paper oriole]

Nah, make deino come to shore to heal bleed. If i gotta expose myself to do it on a terrestrial then subaquatics should too

[urban flax]

In my opinion allowing semiaquatics to heal underwater is kinda unbalanced

Since terrestrial animals need to go near rivers to heal

[paper oriole]

Rolling in mud is a risk for both sides as its by the water much of the time so just make them both use it

[urban flax]

And most of those suggestions about underwater healing don't eally make sense

[paper oriole]

Plus might make deino players pick their fights more carefully instead of doing dumb shit like trying to chase people and going on kill streaks

[junior crow]

yeah Im kinda on the boat that semi aquatics should have to get on land to heal bleed like everyone else

maybe until there are more semi aquatic/aquatic ai and animals to challange deino

[crisp flame]

I just hope they figure something out soon id like to try it out lol

[urban flax]

imo all semiaquatics should have some resistance to bleed though

[crisp flame]

I thought about that, like cera has.

[urban flax]

@stuck heath There's already a mechanic for that. Deino will have to bask to regain its stamina, it has no passive stamina regen.

[maiden anvil]

@stuck heath temperatures would solve afk indeed

[golden iron]

i think dinos should stick to their respective biomes for food. It would be frustrating to switch servers and have all the food in different places like that. Plus, people wouldn't know what their preferred food source is if its different every server. If a carno wants to hunt its fav food dryo, and knows the dryo's main food is in grassland, it'll travel all the way there to hunt only to find a bunch of species that dont belong in that biome running around, and wouldn't have a solid hunting grounds.

Sure, you can maybe see in the future what your dino's favourite food is, but you wont know anybody elses. The servers would be rampant with species in places they dont belong, and nobody will know where their respective hunting grounds are.

[maiden anvil]

Understandable. ^

[quasi stream]

Back in Isle V4 days, Dondi had planned 2 areas on map that are the same (for example savannah), where one is for example top left and one is for example bottom right. And depending what dino you choose, let's say stegosaurus, you'll spawn in the savannah cause there is where you are suppose to live. (and that is the only place where stegosaurus can find food for its species forcing it to remain in the savannah). When food got short, the herd will have to move to the other side of the map to the other savannah biome (migration) and predators along the way could attack them.

This could also make them cross rivers for the aquatics to take a bite

[dark osprey]

Deino should stop bleed in the water.. It doesn't make sense for it to be in an already bad state for it to put itself into an even more vulnerable position to stop bleed. It would naturally want to return to the water to live to fight another day.

Like others have suggested having something on the river bed for it to stop bleed with is a good idea.

[barren zephyr]

It's not the turn that's the issue
It's the turn when its moving at fast or top speeds which is silly
Rn Carnos are clowning on Utahs

[vast wolf]

@idle ibex that gives it an advantage for survival by fishing that it has no adaptations to.

[tired wagon]

@barren zephyr i'd say 2 minutes, not 5. People dont want to be sitting still doing nothing for 5 minutes

[lilac swallow]

Ah yes

Forced afk

[cedar summit]

Well I think that croc sunbathing should give you an overall, somwhat temporary buff, to healing and such. The idea would be that if you have been keeping your deino warm, its ability to escape into the water if things go bad wouldnt be impeded. Its no longer forced to mud itself and then wander around, which gamewise would conflict with its aquatic nature. But on the other hand, irl crocodiles and alligators arent useless on land either. They are surprisingly fast, in short bursts, and they can straight up jump a surprising height, so enforcing a more passive sunbathing healing system if they are going for a more modern muse with the deino shouldnt be too conflicting.

[urban flax]

You spend already enough time sitting in the game (especially at night) to not be forced to sleep on top of that

[wispy quail]

@zenith maple may u discus here

[idle ibex]

Animals adapt to certain lifestyles extremely quickly if need be, some wolves have become fishers and better adapted for life in rivers and near water, what I was saying was for troodon to have a perk that allows it to dive under water, that would only require a push downwards from the actual animal. the isle is a video game as well, without replay ability you get carno death matches where they abuse broken hit boxes to kill things they aren’t meant to, cause their actual play style is rather boring as of now after around 5 hours of it

[urban flax]

But that facts this is a game is what prevents troodon from diving. In the Isle, diving is only allowed for semiaquatics. Allowing troodon to dive is turning it into a semiaquatic, that's like allowing raptors to fly.

[vast wolf]

or like letting deino run as fast as carno

it just makes troodon even more overloaded if it picks that perk.

[left nacelle]

@runic rune Why not just switch servers if you wanna play as something else? Have a rex and wanna play as something else? Instead of tossing that rex, just switch servers

[lilac swallow]

Also the idea of limited slots for carnis is simply bad tbh

Just let people play what they want

[left nacelle]

That wasn't their idea

They were saying to add player slots instead of limiting carni and herbi slots

[lilac swallow]

I was more referring to "their idea wouldn't really be necessary because limiting carnis is probably not happening"

[left nacelle]

Oooh gotcha

[sonic cloud]

I’m surprised you seem in favour of sucho considering you seemed to favour alberto a couple of day’s ago Minion

[tepid gate]

It wasn't their idea but they said it's a good suggestion - it's not. No one should be limited in what they can play on any given server and there's a tonne of reasons for why that should never a thing. Some of them were even mentioned by Dondi at specific times prior to Evrima's release when the idea of limiting the numbers of certain playables was introduced to him.

[sonic cloud]

@candid fiber

[candid fiber]

I am in favour of anything that can bully Carno on land and isn't too big. Alberto would work decently well and Dondi seems to like it. Sucho on the other side would be easier on the small herbivores and also contest Deino in the water.

[tepid gate]

Alberto would simply just replace Carno and it would be very difficult to steal any of Alberto's playerbase atm. Carno players have a greater chance to move on to other playables as those get released than Alberto players would imo. I know I probably wouldn't play anything else if they released Alberto some time soon.

[candid fiber]

It also depends on whether Alberto is supposed to be a pursuit or ambush predator. If it was the former I definitely prefer Sucho. In the latter case Alberto would work fine and probably not even replace Carno as much.

[hybrid matrix]

well
i mean, not unless rexes and gigas and spinos got added soon after bertie bc sometimes reality breaks

bc

if the 3 apexes got released right after bertie, i think we'd all switch over

[tepid gate]

I think it would replace Carno in either of those cases. Sucho would probably not be that big of an issue though.

Yea but that's not happening, Derptah. The apexes aren't coming any time soon and none of them aside from Rex have much work done on them.

[candid fiber]

I am fine with most of the Carnos being replaced by an ambush predator.

Pursuit hunters feel much better if they aren't also the apex predator.

[tepid gate]

I don't think it would make any difference, I play Carno as an ambush hunter at times just fine too. I don't think it would make much of a difference if they introduced Alberto(not that Alberto is meant to be an ambush predator to my knowledge, it's general gimmick hasn't been specified so far).

Overall it's difficult to speak about Alberto without seeing its concept art. The animal itself is a very gracile, fast and agile Tyrannosaurid but the concept art implies something completely else for it so I have no idea what it's meant to be doing in the game.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, that would only happen if reality broke

lets just pray that none of the rex mains from legacy get their hands on the reality stone

deino ditches would be kinda sick

[tepid gate]

I think Rex would be utter garbage in the current game so I wouldn't worry about it being added any time soon. The current mechanics are really stacked up against the apexes atm.

[hybrid matrix]

and they could be used as hiding spots to guard the nest

[hybrid matrix]

yes i know, i was making a joke

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr Pssst. Discussion goes in here

[barren zephyr]

i think your idea would be a great add on to mine

having the Deino be able to use dryo tunnels or carve out tunnels and then have other dino's who can fit can use them as well

[left nacelle]

Well dryo isn't gonna be able to burrow, that's gonna be the ability of an animal much smaller than dryo, so deino likely won't fit in them

[barren zephyr]

aren't they working on the dryo being able to burrow rn?

[left nacelle]

I think random small tunnels around the map would be best. Not player created ones

[brave rampart]

Dryo is a placeholder borrower for the time being

Burrower

[left nacelle]

Nope, they used dryo as a test for it since it's the smallest animal in the game right now, and it could burrow in legacy

[barren zephyr]

yeah already existing tunnels would be a nice add on with the caves

[barren zephyr]

there are videos of them working on the dryos and their tunntels tho

[left nacelle]

Yeah. They're using dryo as a test since it's small

[barren zephyr]

ahhhhh ok i get you

[left nacelle]

Protoceratops, homalo, or minmi are more likely to get the ability to burrow. Plus dryo is around the size of a deer, so it doesn't make much sense for it to burrow

[barren zephyr]

that is true

[sonic cloud]

The reason Sucho would work better than Alberto is that no matter what, It’s not going to be actively hunting land prey with any significant measure of success. It was previously described as slow so no matter how powerful it is it just isn’t going to be as trolly and cheap as Alberto or any terrestrial prey hunter.

Sucho isn’t meant to be an animal that can be challenged by Cerato/Carno/utah, but people seem to take the fact that it’s huge and then ignore the fact that it’s probably going to be slow.

A sucho would basically be a giant corpse bully in relation to the smaller carni’s, it isn’t meant to be challenged by them like they already do to eachother, to which Alberto wouldn’t be any different, it’s meant to be HUNTED by Deino. The new Deino size in my opinion means that even a fight on land is going to be a slaughter for sucho. And sucho by design has to stay near deinos preferred havitat far more than any carnivore currently on the roadmap.

Except unlike the actual apexes, Suchomimus by design is forced to live near it’s main predator, which stops Suchomimus from being too abusable. A cocky sucho who lazes about and just acts like a douch is going to get snapped up by a deino quite quickly. This means that even a fully grown sucho would have to be played cautiously, and only players who respect the fact that Apex sized does not mean apex behaviour (ie. toxicity, meta dino that everyone rushes to and is fairly safe in adulthood) are going to last long with sucho.

Alberto would just be another carnivore that “if you got enough small guys you can kill it” sucho would decimate all but the largest packs of carno and cerato. But it’s kept in check by its poor offensive capabilities and constant fear of ending up croc-food.
It also avoids the problem of having the biggest bully in the ecosystem also be an effective hunter, as sucho just can’t hunt very well, its a far less cheap playstyle, especially for the role of the big kid on the block.

@candid fiber

[urban flax]

Isn't sucho much larger that Deino ?

Even if it isn't, it sounds like a fair fight to me, and not a predator-prey relation

[barren zephyr]

i don't think a sucho could take a deino seeing as the deino would be too smart to leave the water and the deino has the clear advantage in water

[urban flax]

Well, sucho is a semiaquatic too

[barren zephyr]

this is what i had in mind when i think of a deino using a tunnel

[barren zephyr]

that is true but it would seem in my opinon at least that the deino would overpower it in the water

[urban flax]

Do you have a size chart where we could compare the two ?

[sonic cloud]

If you scroll to 30/01/21 in #phase-two-archive you can see a screenshot showing the size of new deinosuchus.

[barren zephyr]

also i would like to see a beta or something lol i wanna play as a deino already lol but at the same time i get the devs are workling extremely hard so i can be patient

[sonic cloud]

For reference sucho is around stegos weight guve or take a tonne depending on which stego and sucho estimates you use

If we were talking old Deinosuchus size versus the largest size estimates of suchomimus. In the water i still say deino would kill sucho with sucho having an edge on land

But with Deinosuchus’s upsize it doesn’t matter how big you make Suchomimus, it’s croc food in the water or on land

[urban flax]

hmmm

[barren zephyr]

yeah that's all im saying lol the Deino doesn't come out of the water for anything other than egg laying and basking where as the sucho is both on and and water

[barren zephyr]

i wanna see how good the fight will be with a Deino on land and in water because it does have size and a serious bite on it's side

[sonic cloud]

Except sucho is going to spend a lot of time near water anyway, even if the deinosuchus isn’t necessarily hunting a Sucho, any Sucho player with an ounce of common sense is going to keep it’s distance.

At it’s best Suchomimus is getting mercilessly bullied by Deinosuchus and at its worse it just a big meal

They aren’t in the same league anymore

[barren zephyr]

i'd imagine a fully grown Deino could rival a fully grown rex lol i guess it just depends on who gets the upper hand first

[paper oriole]

lol yes let's give troodon diving and while we're at it let's also give it gliding and let it spit venom and pounce too because why not

[worn pumice]

[urban flax]

You're joking but troodon may be able to pounce

[barren zephyr]

i won't have to worry about anything on my little Deino island lol

until spino comes out lol

[urban flax]

If deino can rival a rex, then it'll have nothing to fear from spino

[barren zephyr]

yeah from what ive seen for past stuff with the Deino it will

[worn pumice]

Spino is the deino check

Also it won’t exactly rival a rex

[barren zephyr]

idk man lol

[worn pumice]

Like on land it can put up a fight

[barren zephyr]

we will have to see lol

in the water thouugh

the Deino is gonna be strong af

[worn pumice]

In the water deino wins against every terrestrial Dino for obvious reasons

[barren zephyr]

it might not be able to rival a rex but then again a fully grown Deino?

even on land those jaws wont be something to scoff at

[worn pumice]

It won’t be easy but I still see the Rex able to kill the deino on land

Although as a deino u rly shouldn’t be running around on land lol

[barren zephyr]

yeah like i said earlier, i think it's gonna depend on who can get the upper hand first

[worn pumice]

Let’s see

Rex ai coming soon so

[barren zephyr]

that's another thing lol a smart Deino won't leave the water for too long unless its laying eggs or chasing small prey or basking

[worn pumice]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

yesss i can't wait

[worn pumice]

Low key we’re probably gonna get the Rex ai before we get to play as a rex

[barren zephyr]

oh yeah thats a givin

it says on the roadmap ai

[worn pumice]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

i wonder what the changes to the UI and graphics are gonna be like

well maybe not graphics

[worn pumice]

I’m excited for UI cuz having a better UI would help a lot especially during gameplay

[tepid gate]

@urban flax Suchomimus irl is a ~3.4t animal. It might have gotten somewhat larger due to being not skeletally mature but it would still be dwarfed by the 8t Deinosuchus we're getting. It's very likely twice smaller than Deino.

[barren zephyr]

yes and the night vision with the night terrors and poison for other dino's

[worn pumice]

Oh ye troodon and dilo

[barren zephyr]

yeah it will make us hallucenate and stuff lol

[worn pumice]

Suchomimus will be pseudo apex it’s very large but it’s not enough the deino will still kill it

Although on land it will be slightly faster so

[barren zephyr]

the sucho will be no problem for a Deino im thinking

[worn pumice]

Yea deino shouldn’t be too worried about sucho when it’s fully grown

[barren zephyr]

or a any apex for that matter other than that of a spino or rex or maybe even a cera

even then i think a fully grown Deino will hold its own against almost anything

[worn pumice]

Deinos main worry should be spino when that’s released as it’s bigger and it lives in the same aquatic biome with it

Also don’t run out on land that’s not smart lol

[barren zephyr]

yeah i think a swarm of Deino's will be enough for it to steer clear

[worn pumice]

Yea but that’s if the deino has more then one if it’s 1v1 spino is gonna win

[barren zephyr]

yeah deinitely

[worn pumice]

And then to balance it they make spino slower and then deino faster

[barren zephyr]

or it could be like diet based and stuff, a thicker Deino might win or a skinnier Deino might be faster but vice versa for the spino and all other Dino's as well

[worn pumice]

Maybe ik they said with perks they don’t want to directly effect stats

But let’s see

Diets are mainly for growth

Better diet faster growth and vice cersa

Cesar

[barren zephyr]

yeah i see

[worn pumice]

Vrtaant

Versa*

English lol

[barren zephyr]

it would be nice to have different sizes based on diet though, if you eat more of this then you will go down this growth route and so on and so forth

a Deino who only eats fish will be the same size but just skinnier and faster

[worn pumice]

The reason for not effecting stats is so that you don’t have a giant dino that can’t be killed cuz when u change stats it can change the whole play style of something

[barren zephyr]

ahh yess yes i agree with that

[worn pumice]

Aka a spino who’s slower then deino has to be stronger to counter balance

[barren zephyr]

have you played path of titans? they have a simular setup where you can pick to be thick and stronmg or skinny and fast or balanced

a simular concept could be fun but alas this is all just thoughts and talk

i love this game and the devs lol

[worn pumice]

PoT is

It’s not bad but

It’s weird

Animations are strange their good but their just strange

Like sarco galloping

[barren zephyr]

yeah i don;t like the game that much but i was referencing the growth and the benefits of having different sizes of the same adult dinosaur

[worn pumice]

Yes that’s gonna end up bad for balance cuz say I have a Dino that needs to run from something

And it’s stronger then that but slower then it changes the play style

[barren zephyr]

@crisp stream thats what i was thinking

[barren zephyr]

yeah i can see where it would be frustrating

@crisp stream things like egg layers coming to steal some eggs and hoping the mother isn't there only to have the realization that the mother has tucked herself in with the eggs is really exciting lol

[worn pumice]

If u change a dinos stats such as hp then it will change the dinos play style at which point it would’ve been just better to pick a Dino with that play style

[barren zephyr]

that is true i mean it's perfectly fine how it is now but it was just a fun little what-if lol

[worn pumice]

Tru tru

Welp just gonna wait till deino and ptera

I’ll probably play ptera first cuz there’s gonna be way too many deinos around

[barren zephyr]

i would like to honestly see the Deino being able to use little caves and tunnels and inndents in the riverbanks as possible nesting sites and then seeing egg layers stealing eggs, it would make sure the Deino population stays in check and the fight for survival a little more fun

[barren zephyr]

not me lol im going full Deino lol i would like to play as the Ptera every now and again but yeah super croc for the win lol

[worn pumice]

Actually I think this is already coming at least I saw something like this in dondi’s stream so

[crisp stream]

ya

[barren zephyr]

the Deino shouldn't use mud period

Crocodiles blood has healing properties

[hybrid matrix]

no problem with longer growth on realism servers, but i think the lowest u could set the timers to should be the default ones
obviously that would only be an option on survival servers, because on sandbox it wouldn't matter since you wouldn't grow

[urban flax]

Why couldn't server owners set growth times lower than default ones ? If there is customization, better make it two-directional

[hybrid matrix]

the current growth times are there to prevent hordes of apexes

[urban flax]

What if I want to play on a server with lots of apexes ?

[hybrid matrix]

if you can shorten them then that would ruin the point

[hybrid matrix]

🤣

why

[urban flax]

You'll be able to disable humans too, that'll ruin the point of the game as well

[hybrid matrix]

disabling humans i disagree with

[urban flax]

Maybe I want to grow an apex quickly and fight other apexes, and not be punished for 6 hours for losing

[hybrid matrix]

DUDE

[paper oriole]

Wait for Sandbox

[hybrid matrix]

THE POINT OF SUPER LONG GROWTH TIMERS

IS SO THAT YOU ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE AS AN APEX!!!!

if u wanna fight without worrying about losing hours of ur life, then PLAY. ON. SANDBOX MODE!

[urban flax]

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't allow people to shorten them on their own server

[hybrid matrix]

smh

[urban flax]

If you allow to make growth times longer but not shorter, you're making half a customization option

[glacial lodge]

my server my rules i would say, if you dislike short grow you are free to search a diffrent server

[urban flax]

Yeah, that's basically the point of server options

[glacial lodge]

have fun with your super realism server with high grow times with a total player count of 1

[hybrid matrix]

honestly i'd rather have it so that u can't change growth times at all

[glacial lodge]

so you want force player to play the game you want?

[hybrid matrix]

[glacial lodge]

or why shouldnt i able to choose?

[hybrid matrix]

tf?

im astonished that u came to that conclusion

[urban flax]

Not having the option to change growth times spares developing time for the devs. The problem imo is developing a way for server owners to be able to change growth times and only allow it in one direction.

[hybrid matrix]

this is exactly wut the debate is about

[glacial lodge]

Server options shouldnt exist cause you think it take so much developement time?

[urban flax]

I didn't say that, and I don't fucking know how much time it would take.

[hybrid matrix]

yes thats exactly wut im saying sir

[urban flax]

But I know for sure that it takes less time to not do domething than to do it.

[glacial lodge]

wow

[hybrid matrix]

this is very true

[noble pine]

If you don’t want to grow, play sandbox, if you don’t want to grow for 8+ hours, play something else.

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
the devs couldve just NOT given us a recode

they couldve just kept legacy

but

then

we wouldnt have all these cool features

[barren zephyr]

i think having set growth times you can change in server config is a fantastic idea

[hybrid matrix]

like pounce

[glacial lodge]

im sure grow time option take less time than a recode

[noble pine]

It’s not that changing growth times is hard to do, it’s just not meant to be changed. They’re like that for a reason

[urban flax]

That's where the choice lies. They need to ponder what is necessary and what isn't. Recode was necessary. Configurable growth times ? Well why not, but that's not really the point of the debate.

[cyan flame]

How is it even a debate that server options and alternatives are good, especially since devs have stated they want to offer as much as possible, including disabling factions or species and so on. So why not allow for modification of growth timers as well, or even allow only things like juvies on a sandbox, juvie fight club might be fun, and so on. So many options and ideas.

[glacial lodge]

well it is very easy

[noble pine]

Most dinosaurs won’t take long to grow

[glacial lodge]

to make this

[barren zephyr]

i don't see a reason why not to add configurable growth times

[urban flax]

The debate was "If growth times are a server option, better to allow only to increase them or allow to increase OR reduce them ?"

[barren zephyr]

it gives more server owners the freedom to do what they like with their server

[noble pine]

You guys are asking for sever customization when practically everything about your server will be customizable, it’s a concept that’s been talked about by dondi.

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

it's not like it'll change official servers, a lot of servers might not even use it

[glacial lodge]

allow them to increase or reduce

[cyan flame]

And if everything will be customizable, then that would include growth times, and so on? :p

[urban flax]

And my opinion is that it should be customizable in both directions.

[glacial lodge]

like the server want it

[barren zephyr]

you should be able to reduce and increase

just being able to increase or decrease is stupid lol

[glacial lodge]

"concept" "talked about by dondi"

i saw many Concepts

talked by dondi

[hybrid matrix]

dude

ur getting off-topic

[barren zephyr]

not really

[hybrid matrix]

im honestly not sure how we got from should u be able to increase and decrease growth times to this

[noble pine]

This is inherently bad because then you start getting old progression servers after the option to change the amount of progression points required was implemented, you start seeing people as adult apexes 1-2 hours after a server comes up, and while it’s nice for server owners to be able to do those things, it’s not fun when you find a server that has your preferred rules and setting then it takes 1 hour or 30 hours to grow an acro.

[glacial lodge]

if i want to play on a server like this i should be able to do so

[barren zephyr]

you need to understand that not every server is gonna do that, i'd say rarely you'd find a couple servers like that. server owners have brains they're not gonna make adult apexes 30 mins to grow if they want a successful server

[noble pine]

You have an incredible amount of customization, but changing times is incredibly unnecessary especially when you yourself can speed up you growth by using the perk system and diet system

[hybrid matrix]

my point is this
its like with an among us lobby
the lobby has great settings except crewmates can see farther than impostors

u have the awesome rules

but then

u grow a rex in 3 hours

[glacial lodge]

seems like you fear that more people like to play on fast grow server so you stay alone on your high grow server

[noble pine]

But they will lmao, I’ve seen how this community likes things, most servers if given the option will make growth non-existent, because they don’t care about the actual balance of the game.

[barren zephyr]

then their servers will likely die

nobody wants to play on a server infested with apexes

[noble pine]

That’s not even close to being true, it’s just not good when 90% of your servers are like that.

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[noble pine]

This is also false, look at legacy

[glacial lodge]

just play on the server you want and you are good

[hybrid matrix]

ouroboros wut dino did u play as the most in legacy?

[glacial lodge]

then i see no problem at all

i dont play legacy

[cyan flame]

How is that an issue though, if people want to play like that, let them.

[barren zephyr]

legacy doesn't have custom growth times, and most servers i've played on aren't infested with apexes?..

[noble pine]

You can’t balance your game if you allow people to change what ultimately makes things balanced, the capability of you as a player actually managing to make it through the set growth times.

[cyan flame]

So what? You play on the server you want, let others play on theirs.

[hybrid matrix]

not even b4 the recode????

[noble pine]

That’a a terrible take, again, balance is the most important thing about a game.

[cyan flame]

And if they change times and that makes it unbalanced, then that's on them. You balance for official, that's what the devs intended.

[noble pine]

How does it look to new players when they join a server and die immediately to a bunch of apexes

[hybrid matrix]

especially this game

[cyan flame]

Yes, and balance is what the devs will do for their own official servers. It does not mean other versions can't be unbalanced.

You're being stupid

[glacial lodge]

official server

[barren zephyr]

official won't have custom growth times most likely, so if you want balance and normal growth times play on official. community driven servers should be able to do what they want since it is after all their server and devs want to give server owners as much freedom with their servers iirc

[cyan flame]

No offense intended, but you are. They've said they will allow disabling of humans and stuff

[hybrid matrix]

The irony here is fierce

[cyan flame]

How would that work with balance? :p

[noble pine]

Unless you plan to increase growth times, you aren’t going to have balance

[cyan flame]

Not at all, I'm clearly in the right here :)

[urban flax]

Devs have already decided that they want to allow most options for servers owners, so there will be servers where balance is screwed.

[hybrid matrix]

I reiterate, the irony is fierce here

[cyan flame]

Do you have any actual arguments? ^^

[noble pine]

Dude I’ve been with this game since it’s creation, i know what don said about server customization, but the man is a firm believer in balance, ironically legacy servers are what suffer from imbalanced growth times, which is why they need to be increased.

[urban flax]

Once there are humans in the main game, servers without humans will be unbalanced. I think they plan on allowing to deactivate specific species of dinos too, that will be unbalanced too.

[cyan flame]

Balance is not guaranteed by growth times anyway

[hybrid matrix]

wendigo is saying everything that im saying but much better

[urban flax]

More than having dinos grow 20% faster.

[cyan flame]

Yes and like I said, he's wrong

[noble pine]

You are the one being quite Ignorant here, this isn’t BoB or PoT, there are specific things be added to help you along your way hell there are things that are going to significantly increase your growth time if you do them.

But you won’t want to do those things if it takes you an hour to grow that rex.

[cyan flame]

He's saying it will be unbalanced, missing the point that there will be other things that will also cause changes and imbalances :p

[noble pine]

You’ll just wait in a bush

[cyan flame]

And that officials will still offer the intended experience

[hybrid matrix]

dude i understand theres gonna be a lot of stuff thats gonna break the balance, but this shouldnt be one of those things

[barren zephyr]

Officials are how the game is meant to be played, community servers will differ in balance and overall gameplay since server owners want to customize their servers to their liking, it's not like every server will have 20 minute growth times, that's absurd

[noble pine]

Yes, so will every other server because don is not going to allow growth times to be changed, he didn’t before. If he genuinely liked the idea then he would’ve allowed it in legacy.

[glacial lodge]

well again if i open a server with 1 hour grow time, the players are free to join in or stay aout. I dont force player to play the game how i want it

but you obviously

[noble pine]

Then why not just use sandbox

[cyan flame]

Why not? IS there a reason you're against this particular thing then? Cause thats what I'm bit irritated about. Youre acknowledging that there can be other things, so why is this a problem then?

[noble pine]

If you’re going to make it easy just let them be adults instantly

[urban flax]

1 hour growth time is still one hour spent growing your dino. It's not spawning in as an adult.

[glacial lodge]

Sandbox with no grow time is diffrent than a server with 1 h grow time

[barren zephyr]

...

[noble pine]

It really isn’t

[cyan flame]

You can acknowledge that you can remove humans, tribals, have only humans, have only herbivores, carnivores, whatever sort of stuff, yet growth times is what you're dead set against?

[glacial lodge]

and 2 hour grow time is diffrent han 1hour

[cyan flame]

That's why you're making no sense. Why is growth times, but not potentially eternal day, night, darker or brigther night, and so on, stuff that would cause a different experience?

[barren zephyr]

Some players still want to play survival but with lower growth times, they don't have to be absurdly small growth times

"Why not play sandbox" is a stupid argument

[noble pine]

Being able to alter growth time is much different than just disabling humans, strains etc, if I truly just wanted to get an apex quickly, I’d go on sandbox

It isn’t

[glacial lodge]

if you want 8+ grow times why not play sandbox?

[hybrid matrix]

sigh
u realize that if the devs are gonna put a ton of hard work into perks, elders, etc. (which all have to do with growing) then do you rlly think they'll allow people to just evade this by implementing altered growth times?

[hybrid matrix]

tf u talkin about

[cyan flame]

How is it different?

[urban flax]

You're the one who suggested the option to increase growth times.

[noble pine]

You guys aren’t even clever enough to come up with reasonable arguments.

[cyan flame]

You can still have elders, you can still have growth, with different times, so yes. I'd expect them to allow growth times to be altered too, since there is no issue with it, and does not take away from the rest.

[urban flax]

And now you're arguing against that option.

[barren zephyr]

LOL

[cyan flame]

Says the person who has no good argument at all :)

[hybrid matrix]

yes but that doesnt negatively affect things like perks and elders
shorter growth times DOES

[noble pine]

I do, sorry you’re too ignorant to understand game balance

[cyan flame]

No it doesn't. You can still get perks/elder, time does not change that.

[glacial lodge]

THE ARGUMENT IS, my server my rule and if player like my rules they would join me otherwise i would play alone

[cyan flame]

You're focused on balance when its not a valid argument since officials are the balanced, everything else is not.

[noble pine]

Dondis game, dondis rules

[barren zephyr]

Oh I'm sorry your arguments are clearly superior and you're ALWAYS right :)

[hybrid matrix]

my view is allow ppl to lengthen grow times, or just not allow them to change them at all

[barren zephyr]

................

BRO

LMFAO

[hybrid matrix]

that is how it works @barren zephyr

[cyan flame]

Growth implies you want that experience, you won't have that in sandbox.

[noble pine]

Imagine not understanding simple balance techniques.

[proud coral]

I don't see the issue of just joining a server without fast growth. 🤷 Let server owners do what they want.

[cyan flame]

So saying "play sandbox" would take away from growing, and most likely nesting too.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah and u wont have it if it takes an hour to grow something either

[glacial lodge]

When modding comes back it will be in anyway

[cyan flame]

But you do. Time is still time.

[barren zephyr]

Oh my god

[noble pine]

So why are you arguing when mods will do it?

[cyan flame]

How is this a difficult concept to understand. Also, time change to be anything from 10 minutes difference to 10 hours difference.

[hybrid matrix]

sigh
so growing a dryo is the same as growing a giga?

[glacial lodge]

Because it could it could be simple to just ad it?

[barren zephyr]

"Dondis game dondis rules" dondi opted for server customization, let server owners do what they want it isn't an official server that they FORCE you to play on, if you want normal growth times GO TO OFFICIAL

[cyan flame]

Growing is growing yes. I'm still growing up, I'm still being a juvie, and all that.

[hybrid matrix]

yes but u said its about the time spent, not about being a juvie and all that

[proud coral]

Yeah, unofficials can just do what they want. If you want balance, go to officials 🤷

[glacial lodge]

in evrima you can have now shorter grow btw

[barren zephyr]

Who said an apex is gonna be 20 minutes to grow? Some servers may not even go that low, an apex may only be like 3-4 hours

[glacial lodge]

Play on server, earn points and buy adult version

[cyan flame]

You're still spending time growing up. As in, you're still being a hatchling, juvie, sub, for the time it takes, no matter how long that time is. Currently you can grow dryo very fast, you grow rex very slow. But dryo is still in survival.

I just don't see why it would be an issue, you're fine with sandbox, but not with "sandbox growth"?

[hybrid matrix]

so 30 minutes growing a dryo is just as important as speding 7 hours growing a giga (going by legacy growth times)

[hybrid matrix]

BECAUSE SURVIVAL ISNT SANDBOX

[cyan flame]

No, I never said anything about the importance though?

I'm saying that if you want the growth experience, nesting, perks, elders, you won't have that in sandbox, but you could have it in survival, no matter the growth times.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah u did
u said the experience was wut mattered

[cyan flame]

See earlier statement for what I meant with the experience then :p

Since it wasn't about the time

[glacial lodge]

Well again in Evrima where you cant change grow time, there are server who give you points when playing and after a while you can buy an adult version.

one server i saw gave a free adult grow every day

so your idea of having on all server high grow isnt in

[cyan flame]

It's like people who just wants to fight, but they don't want to play sandbox, because they want the time investment as well.

[glacial lodge]

and it wont be in

[cyan flame]

You could say "Just go play sandbox if all you wanna do is fight constantly", but they still don't like that, cause it's not what they're looking for.

[hybrid matrix]

im sorry but when did i say i wanted ALL servers to have super long growths?

[cyan flame]

And the same applies here. I don't want sandbox, I want all the things in survival, just a different growth time.

[glacial lodge]

you dont want that a server can change it so all server has the same grow

[cyan flame]

Well, I do want sandbox in the game too, as soon as possible really, but that's for other reasons :D

[tepid gate]

So let me summarise - you guys worry that the community servers will start decreasing the growth times on everything and that will both create a weird environment for new players where they get angry because they got ran over by a bunch of apexes as soon as they started to play the game as well as make it so that the vast majority of the community choose to play on servers with decreased growth times, while Erik believes that it should be up to people and the community server-owners to dictate how those things work.

Is this correct?

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[hybrid matrix]

pretty much yeah

[glacial lodge]

im sorry but when did i say i wanted ALL servers to have super long growths

[noble pine]

What’s the point in changing growth times when
A. You can speed them up yourself by using the perk system or diet system
B. If a server just want people to grow instantly instead of just using sandbox, it takes 1 second to type “1” in the growth box and grow people
C. You could play sandbox if you want to be a big boy instead of waiting 5-6 hours to grow

[glacial lodge]

there you have it

[hybrid matrix]

??

[glacial lodge]

there you say it

[hybrid matrix]

no i didnt

im confused dude

can somebody explain wut he's talking about?

[tepid gate]

I'm with Erik here - it's up to the people if they want to play on servers that have shorter growth times - let them. The best I could say is perhaps just have a slider that increases and decreases the growth time for everything rather than have it so that every animal's growth time can be set up independently(although I'd really be in favour of the latter option).

[cyan flame]

Pretty much. As well as me pointing out that they will allow other things to be turned on/off, so giving people all sorts of different experiences, and as such, I don't see why growth times are the issue here, compared to removing humans, having a merc only server, or whatever. Sure, people might not like officials, or people will. People still play on them even if there are rules servers, or servers with free growths, or whatever. People still played on officials despite other servers having shorter progression times. People still handled whatever those servers had, or they went for another one. And officials are the only "dev intended" experience, far as I know at least.

[urban flax]

Lets consider diets allow you to grow up to 50% faster. Rex takes 8 hours to grow. On official, you can grow a rex in 4 hours with the correct diet. With a growth time reduced to six hours on some unofficial server, you can grow a rex in 3 hours with the correct diet. There's the point.

That's one hour difference, and that's enough to make some players prefer this rather than regular growth.

[hybrid matrix]

ur saying its fine that u have the possibility to grow a rex in 3 hours

a one hour difference is still a whole hour

[cyan flame]

Now, if they allow custom growth, which maybe they have in Evrima, I can see admins growing people to a certain set growth level, every now and then, to simulate faster growth, but that seems like a complicated thing to implement.

[urban flax]

Yes that's my point

[fading pasture]

in my opinion, acro's healing should be fixed.

[tepid gate]

The point is that you might want to have a server that still has a growth time but it's not quite as long as the official one. They might therefore decide to choose a server with decreased growth times rather than a sandbox one.

[noble pine]

That sounds a lot more reasonable, that’s all you had to say.

[cyan flame]

How is that a problem though Derptah? Why are you taking an issue with them growing a rex an hour faster? They're still growing, they're still surviving, even if it is shorter.

[glacial lodge]

acro is in legacy

[hybrid matrix]

nobody can control if admins grow ppl

[cyan flame]

I know, that was just a suggestion if we're so against custom growth times.

[urban flax]

Neither I or Erik ever said that all growth times should be reduced to 10% of their initial values

[tepid gate]

@fading pasture It's a legacy dinosaur, a really broken legacy dinosaur that won't be getting any changes in that version of the game. New Acro will very likely heal faster in Evrima for what it's worth.

[fading pasture]

oh alright.

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt mean that server owners wouldnt do exactly this

[tepid gate]

Why shouldn't they be allowed to do that though?

[cyan flame]

Exactly Bubul, we're just saying customizing growth times is no worse than anything else. And can fuck up things just as much/little, depending on what you do with your server. Hell, I've played on server where they changed fall resistance. Imagine my surprise when I tried it live and died :p

[urban flax]

But having server owners deciding to put 10x growth times isn't much better

[tepid gate]

If it breaks the game and their server becomes unplayable - people will just leave and go to one that has normal growth times.

[cyan flame]

I did think the dryo was a bit more bouncy than normal xD

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno
i dont mean that much longer
i mean like an hour or so

[cyan flame]

If we're going to have customization, we might as well allow it full range both ways

[hybrid matrix]

which is exactly why u shouldnt be able to change growth at all

[cyan flame]

So you're saying it taking a week to grow a rex would be bad? :p

[hybrid matrix]

in the same way that it would be bad if it took 3 hours