general-feedback-discussion

[dapper pulsar]

could Ptera hunt a Hypsi?

[barren zephyr]

maybe

[worn pumice]

water and corpses/gore can be should be seen in flight

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi is quite small and very fast

[paper oriole]

if the hypsi isnt smart or the ptera is godly probably

[worn pumice]

should be can*

that doesnt make sense either

can be should*

[dapper pulsar]

It's not in this image because it's not a cool bird but I think they'd be an even match

[worn pumice]

fat bird

[dapper pulsar]

*speculative better roster

[worn pumice]

whats with the 2 tenos

oh

[dapper pulsar]

*best bird

[worn pumice]

accurate sizes

[barren zephyr]

adult, sub adult

[worn pumice]

i think its accurate sizes tho

[barren zephyr]

but that sub adult size will be the adult size in Update 3

[worn pumice]

cuz ours is 20% larger

same with carno

although they will be getting a size decrease to their accurate sizes in update 3

and most likely a few stat changes

like weight and speed

def speed actually

so it matches the animation

[barren zephyr]

it's going to be realistic sized now

[worn pumice]

thank god

carnos towering over stego looks funky

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah

[worn pumice]

seems legit

[dapper pulsar]

Fun fact: Hatzeg's scale in that pic is based off of the human from it's original pic, so it's probably a bit too small or too big.

i should've used Magy.

[worn pumice]

lol

[dense wagon]

is that a hatz i see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/811042681962233866/Human-allosaurus_size_comparison.png there are so many things wrong with this i hate it

[hybrid matrix]

wait

is that supposed to be an allo?

wut is that

oh god that is an allo

[dense wagon]

first off the silhouette isn't even centered properly

[hybrid matrix]

also its floating

[dense wagon]

and why is it 40 feet long

[hybrid matrix]

not 40 feet long

40 feet wide

thats a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide allo

wide allo

[worn pumice]

lol

[barren zephyr]

no

[scarlet violet]

is this the place to talk about ideas for the isle?

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[scarlet violet]

ok i know how to fix stegos and smaller creatures getting hurt a lot

[hybrid matrix]

well

i mean

this is mostly meant for responding to feedback

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/microfono-axel-madre-meme-gif-18898642

[hybrid matrix]

also u'd get a lot more input from other ppl in #401464048610312195

[scarlet violet]

you have a limit for all other creatures exespte for uath and herra and all the smaller cr3eatures

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-funny-laugh-laughing-weird-laugh-gif-3547058

[hybrid matrix]

wdym by that

a limit?

[vast wolf]

that will just get complaints.

[hybrid matrix]

limiting wut

[vast wolf]

basically making a cap to how many of a species can exist on a server.

[scarlet violet]

yeah so people don't kill you if you're a stego that grew for 7 houras

that you*

hours*

[vast wolf]

which is a bad idea.

[scarlet violet]

why?

[hybrid matrix]

if anything thats gonna make ppl wanna kill u more, that way they can play as the thing ur playing as

[vast wolf]

hard caps have way more cons compared to pros.

[scarlet violet]

no not rreally because if they're less rexs and you are a stego you would not die as fast

i think a limit is a good idea and if a rex dies another person would be able to play as one

[vast wolf]

its just more of a limiting irritant than anything else. people can pick what they want to play. dont exactly like the idea of clans running servers as apexes with an iron fist.

[hybrid matrix]

literally just encouraging ppl to hunt and kill every apex they find so that they can play as one

also

how would this work with ppl logging in and out?

[vast wolf]

because guess what? when they tried to inject nonsurvivals for a while on officials all the shants were controled by a clan where anyone outside the clan got killed if they were a shant.

[scarlet violet]

look do you want to play as a stego and die really fast because 50 rexs where coming after you

[vast wolf]

there wont be 50 rexes coming after you lmao.

[hybrid matrix]

wut if ur a rex, but the rex pop already reached its limit when u try to log back in?

wut happens then

[scarlet violet]

i'm just saying it could happen

[hybrid matrix]

couldnt*

[vast wolf]

but it wont because the map will be huge and having a pack that big is impossible.

[scarlet violet]

why do you think it couln't?

[vast wolf]

they would starve to death.

[hybrid matrix]

bc 50 giant monsters are gonna need a lot of food to eat

[scarlet violet]

yeah true

[hybrid matrix]

and rexes are quite slow

[vast wolf]

they would be unable to hunt anything because of the massive scent cloud. and theres a syetem to prevent overpacking coming in eventually.

[scarlet violet]

yeah thats what i'm saying if we have a lot of big things on the island thay will kill a lot ove other things

[vast wolf]

its like trying to sustain 3 weak hypos.

[scarlet violet]

othert*

other*

[hybrid matrix]

which is exactly why we wont get a lot of big things together

[vast wolf]

they will kill some things but they will starve out fast.

[hybrid matrix]

theyd have to constantly hunt

[scarlet violet]

oh ok

i see

[vast wolf]

hunting is hard when everything can smell you from a mile away.

[hybrid matrix]

and eventually everything slow enough for them to catch would die out and they would starve or kill each other

[scarlet violet]

i just don't want to be a stego and then die as soon as i'm adult

[vast wolf]

why do you think most carnos dont exceed the pack limit if they are not spawn camping? they cant hunt anything or sustain themselves.

[scarlet violet]

true

and it takes them a long time to grow

[vast wolf]

or the slow things would just avoid them and or log out.

or when they die go small animals that dont give any food to a rex.

[scarlet violet]

what about picking off food as a hrub?

like off of pushs

bringing it to the young

[vast wolf]

theres already a mechanic in the old nesting system for that. you put food in the nest and the babies take food.

[scarlet violet]

dawn i did not know that

wait does pachy get a run like carno?

[barren zephyr]

Yes and no

[scarlet violet]

why?

[vast wolf]

i could see there being a mechanic where you can grab chunks of food for juvies as an adult but it might not exist.

[barren zephyr]

It'll be more effective for breaking bones

[scarlet violet]

i'd love that

[barren zephyr]

Carno runs to push it's prey down

[vast wolf]

pachy will get a cripple charge. it rams somethings leg fractures it and bolts or smashes the animal.

[scarlet violet]

i feel like that would be good for the game

[vast wolf]

carno = knockdown pachy = fracture.

[barren zephyr]

^

[scarlet violet]

wait what about trike?

[hybrid matrix]

i cant wait for pachy to be a good fighter

[vast wolf]

we do already know they planned pachy to be able to break and run a carno.

[barren zephyr]

Impale

[scarlet violet]

it shoudl be bleed and bone break

[vast wolf]

trike is at least a year off more likely 2 years away.

[hybrid matrix]

pachy wasnt the best fighter in legacy

awful turn and bad bleed resistance

[barren zephyr]

Pachy will be better

[hybrid matrix]

🙏

[vast wolf]

pachy was really bad until it got remade for survival and it was ok until utahs bitched it was op with its 350 damage

[hybrid matrix]

i kno, its strong and has good health, but it has awful turn and awful bleed resistance

[vast wolf]

dawndi nerf pachy. my utah shouldent get 2 shot by the animal that has no other defense.

its turn is good. just not as insane as utah.

[hybrid matrix]

or dilo

[scarlet violet]

if feel like pachys head when it attacks should go up

[barren zephyr]

Hence Evrima.
It shall fix to what was unbalanced

[hybrid matrix]

yea i kno

[vast wolf]

pachy can leap clean over a carno if you time it right.

[hybrid matrix]

:D

pog

from now on :D = pog

[vast wolf]

i pulled some fancy shit on a utah today.

it missed me i got 2 hits on it i baited it then i jumped when it ran under me and killed it mid air.

it went for a run through and got leapfroged by a pachy that was standing still.

[scarlet violet]

i think there should be a thing where a small dino can get into the trees and a big one can't

[vast wolf]

pachy beats a utah if you dont let it ride you.

herrera will be able to climb.

[scarlet violet]

you should get scars that shows you how many battles you did

[vast wolf]

planned

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi is planned to climb as well, at least to what I've heard from devs

Could be changed though

[vast wolf]

yeah hypsis climbing is likely to be made into a mechanic instead of what it is now.

platformer maybe?

[barren zephyr]

There will be tree logs and other things that small dinosaurs will be able to hide in

[scarlet violet]

are they adding different maps to the game like a desert, volcano and moutain

[barren zephyr]

Well one small one

[scarlet violet]

or swamp

[barren zephyr]

We have no idea on what it'll contain to what i know

[scarlet violet]

ok

[barren zephyr]

Isla Spiro has swamps, more mangrove swamps though

[vast wolf]

thenyaw is planned to have an inactive volcano.

[scarlet violet]

i want a forest with big tress

[hybrid matrix]

i hope eventually theres a separate island
an australia like island.
jungles closer to the coast, deserts taking up a majority of the map... ahhhh
if only...

[barren zephyr]

Spiro is getting redwoods like that

[hybrid matrix]

u mean spero?

[vast wolf]

yeah were getting redwoods in update 4.

[barren zephyr]

No

[scarlet violet]

but bigger tress

[barren zephyr]

#phase-two-archive

[hybrid matrix]

oh

wait

which one is which

[vast wolf]

spiro is. spero is on hold because its too big for ue4

[hybrid matrix]

spiro is wut we have now, right>

[barren zephyr]

^

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[barren zephyr]

Spiro was rushed

That's why it is currently bad

[vast wolf]

hence the death pits

[hybrid matrix]

wow

spiro was rushed?

[barren zephyr]

Yep

[hybrid matrix]

its not bad for a rushed map

[barren zephyr]

Due to spero's gigantism

[barren zephyr]

True, lacks POIs though and more complex environment

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

but other than that its not half bad

[scarlet violet]

are they going to add different flyers in some years?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[scarlet violet]

nice

[barren zephyr]

Quetz is planned

[hybrid matrix]

theres gonna be ptera, quetz, and something else maybe

[vast wolf]

some large ahzdarchid is planned. wether its quetz or hatz or something else we dont know yet.

[barren zephyr]

Others? Not sure though

[scarlet violet]

is some dinos going to climb tress?

[hybrid matrix]

herra

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

hypsi

[barren zephyr]

^^

[scarlet violet]

damn thats going to be sick

[hybrid matrix]

uhh wut else

if proto is gonna be a goat then that too

if proto is a goat its also gonna climb any vertical face

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[hybrid matrix]

proto should be a goat tbh

[vast wolf]

proto could be a wombat or a goat or a wombatgoat

[scarlet violet]

i think there should be a thing where you poop and a dino and you get sick and you have to move to another spot

[hybrid matrix]

??

[paper oriole]

Mild diarrhea returns

[hybrid matrix]

thats like 2 ideas in one

[scarlet violet]

yeah lol

[hybrid matrix]

MILD DIARRHEA 🤣

[scarlet violet]

lol

[paper oriole]

Return of the legend

Suffer a mild diarrhea

[hybrid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lion-king-lion-king-monkey-talking-rafiki-gif-17580008

[vast wolf]

i would post a gif but....

shit

[paper oriole]

Dont drink too much maia milk

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-crap-jurassic-park-gif-5914612

i found one thats actually ok

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

[vast wolf]

the damn face mask emojis

[scarlet violet]

dinos when they get to hot in a climate they should get more tired

oh and dinosaurs should be able to kick up dirt onto there food so nothing smells it

[hybrid matrix]

but then theyd eat dirt if they tried to eat their food

[scarlet violet]

yeah i guess

bigger dinos should eat tress and bigger plants

or*|

dryo should eat seeds

like galli

and you should be able to eat other dinos eggs

[paper oriole]

Galli is probably just gonna eat anything, its already gonna eat eggs

Galli will probably just eat anything it can suck down whole lol

[scarlet violet]

wait gallis eat eggs

[paper oriole]

Yeah

[scarlet violet]

damn

oh rex and other dinos should be able to noke down tress

rex should have a head but

[paper oriole]

Not sure why theyd need to knock down trees, the arboreal animals living there are very small and not something rex should be bothering with

[hybrid matrix]

but what? of course it should have a head
not sure wut the but is

[scarlet violet]

well maybe if they are stuke

i have really bad spelling

sorry

[hybrid matrix]

its ok

[paper oriole]

Same with rexes destroying burrows which a few people suggested, it would only be used to grief and the rex would stand to gain almost no food

[hybrid matrix]

i was just joking around

[scarlet violet]

lol

petra should be able to latch onto walls

dinos should throw up on to nests and that should how they feed there babys

should be*

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure thats what the current food deposit is supposed to be

Just without the animation of projectile vomiting all over your offspring

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure that's confirmed

[paper oriole]

The pack scarring thing can still be done by temporarily leaving group to attack the player

While pretty minor it is very easy to exploit

[uneven yacht]

Yeah i thought about that.

@paper oriole Not sure how to fix it though

[paper oriole]

Aggressive oro just feels… wrong

Players aren't gonna be intimidated as easy as animals, and most of the roster can literally just swallow oro whole

[jade schooner]

I think the same

I prefer the other monkey/lemur oro type of suggestions

[paper oriole]

Oro has no real offensive tools, he has a small beak like mouth and little arms, acting bold won't get him very far

[willow zealot]

That is true

[paper oriole]

It might work irl but im not gonna be intimidated by someone i can just get rid of by eating them in under 2 seconds lol

[jade schooner]

the honey badger, like it's showed in the gif, is aggressive, one, it's not a herbivore but a omnivore (which does hunt snakes and other animals), and also, in nature animals won't want to be injured, meanwhile in game, people are willing to tank a little damage for some food

[paper oriole]

People ingame are willing to tank a lot just to sport kill even

[jade schooner]

The aggressive "smaller" dino works with the Cerato idea of a hyena/honeybadger, because it should be a strong tank, but not very fast, which would make it a roaming corpse bully more than anything. That works.

[jade schooner]

That as well

[paper oriole]

Cerato can also work with the possibility of a septic bite that can make even apexes consider if they wanna deal with the aftermath after killing the cerato

Even taco has more potential as a feisty animal than oro because he can rub nasty shit on his quills and make attackers suffer consequences even if the taco dies easily itself

[jade schooner]

That would be cool, but I feel like that could be a perk upgrade, you know what I mean?

[paper oriole]

Possibly yea, tho i was thinking it would just be a thing to reward cera for eating rotten carcasses

[jade schooner]

If when diets come there are these added bonuses, I don't see why not

[paper oriole]

Like theyd gain septic bite for eating rotten meat and it would fade away if they stop

Maybe it'd make them drool like a komodo too, make them look like nasty bastards

[jovial sleet]

Honey badger oro.....hm..idk if i like that idea or not

[ashen wasp]

@zenith onyx nights right now are a work in progress, and will be further expanded upon in Update 6, which will add night vision for all animals, venom, Dilophosaurus, and Troodon. currently, nights are brighter to make up for the lack of night vision, but night brightness is a configurable server option, which may explain the different visibility levels youre seeing. rest assured that, when properly revisited, nighttime will be fearful and formidable-- low visibility, full of venomous things, and tapetum lucidum.

[last lily]

I have to 100% agree on Dusttalon on the eye situation going on... The official renders and concept art all generally have better eyes than the ones in-game, as it both gives them more character and in general looks better.. and could solve the dopey/derpy look many of the dinosaurs have currently in Evrima.. Looking at you in particular Carno and all young stages of Tenoto.. Not to mention the dead eyes of Stego and Dyro. Would be nice to see the render/concept art eyes make a return and replace the ones we currently have in Evrima... would also be nice to you know, not have juveniles dinosaurs with eyes that bulge out of their sockets?? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also .. something I picked up between the official renders and the dinos in-game is that alot of the time the in-game colors are heavily muted, and I think this shows the most with the official Carno render and the in-game Male Carno where the red and black on the face aren't quite as 'good looking', or rather not as contrasting against eachother... Not to mention just how dead pale Stego looks right now.. Not sure if that's to do with lighting or not however.

[valid zephyr]

@strange wave I completely agree about more of the smalls getting good night vision. Irl that's how things work, so it seems odd that the only things good at night are two carnivores. Dryo may have been nocturnal irl so makes sense to see really well at night. I also agree about hypsi not being nocturnal. All those bright colours are wasted at night.

[wild stone]

Don't need to force nightvision to prevent gamma abuse. Just put a dark fog around the character where only objects like campfires and silhouettes of objects in-between the player and light source can pierce the fog. As well as skybox artifacts like stars. Then turn the fog on or off depending on game location and time of day.

Forcing nightvision would cause problems on its own.

[left nacelle]

@coral swan Tenonto's trot is fine. There's plenty of animals irl who move both legs on their left side and then move both legs on their right side. It's called pacing, and most of the animals who do it are around the size of Tenonto, like camels and bears. But I do think the carno animations need tweaked. Utah is fine tho imo

Best example I could find of a camel "pacing" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Muybridge_Camel_Racking.gif

[barren zephyr]

@burnt torrent please post why you think those animals are good potential additions, you have to give reasons :P

[wild stone]

That lizard is stunning.

[wise delta]

Does that green Carno thing actually exist?

[coral swan]

Yes they do but teno does either in a kind of weird way. It looks off-balanced if this makes better sense. And for the utah I think adult utah run and walk is sort of fine, but the juv and hatchling has the same issue as teno. it looks offbalanced or.. I don't know how to explain,but it looks like it has an invisible rope that ties it's legs together and cannot move freely. Also the legacy utah gives a vibe that it knows it's more clever than the bigger dinos, as this new one I feel they are just small dogs instead of hyenas if you know what I mean ~

[barren zephyr]

pycnonemosaurus is a really animal, yes. it's a more basal abelisaurid I think

[wise delta]

Oh boi does that look ugly xD, perfect opponent for magy

[left nacelle]

Honestly, I have no idea what you mean lol

[barren zephyr]

unfortunately we already have cerato. I mean, I'd love to see more abelisaurids in the game, but I don't think we really need it

there are too many dinosaurs in the game as it is

[wise delta]

True, any creatures like that might just be cool to have ad add ons later down the line maybe-

[barren zephyr]

or maybe skins like in Path of Titans ? just a thought

[wild stone]

People don't understand that having more creatures isn't bad. Even if they're just reskins / minor stat differences. The look and feel of the animal is what counts. People will characterize them differently.

[left nacelle]

They could always do them as skins for existing dinos as DLC. Kinda like they mentioned doing with carchar and giga

[left nacelle]

But each animals costs over $7k to make, so it's better to make unique animals

[wild stone]

There's no such thing as too many dinosaurs as long as we get the things that matter first. Bleed, fractures, nesting, etc.

[coral swan]

That's fine 😂 they feel weird to me and anyone who I talked to about it xD

[barren zephyr]

nice name and pfp. I disagree really, I think pouring so much time and money into models for redundant animals is a waste. It's different if the dinosaurs are skins for already existing dinosaurs with minor stat changes, as with PoT. But entirely new animals? You have to shoehorn in mechanics to make them viable and it's annoying

I just. don't believe in bloat. it slows development and it doesn't add really anything to the game

[left nacelle]

Plus if they just add the less unique animals as DLC skins for existing animals, it would only need a model, new sounds, and maybe a couple new animations, which would cost a lot less than making a whole new animal

[barren zephyr]

big facts

still don't see it as necessary but. that's one way of doing it

I would prefer it if we had closer to 30 unique animals. I guess that's just my autism tho lmao

[wild stone]

It's a videogame. Strictly speaking, none of it is necessary. Fun though.

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but it's something the devs have mentioned in the past. A carchar skin for giga is one they specifically mentioned

[barren zephyr]

that's a cop out argument. there is a necessary component: making a good game that's balanced and fun to play

[left nacelle]

And iirc, there's a lot of animals planned that we havent' gotten yet. The game is gonna have well over 30 animals

[barren zephyr]

oh, I know it's gonna be more than 30

[wild stone]

Some creatures are fun to play to some people strictly by looks. People have different tastes.

[barren zephyr]

I'm just saying I'd prefer if they kept things simple because it'd make it easier to balance, and make animals viable

[burnt torrent]

sorry i am new to this. the gigantoraptor would be a fun omnivore in the game being big and fast but strong, prestosuchus would be a scavenger primary an with it size and bulk would scare medium and weaker large carnivorous off their kills. Pycnonemosaurus would be a good addition to the mid range carnivours as a strong ambush predator with more powerfull bite than carno but slower.

[barren zephyr]

don't be sorry :) thank u

[paper geyser]

Adding an animal that’s almost an exact copy of another this early on is a waste of time and resources

There’s nothing more to it

[azure wadi]

Pycno is basically a rugops/carno clone

[paper geyser]

That’s why people can be so aggressive when talking about new animals, because if it doesn’t bring anything new to the game or fills a new niche it might as well not exist. Pycno is a perfect example.

Literally carno but different skin

The “any new animal is a good idea” thing works great for after the game has been fully completed and add ons are being thought of

[left nacelle]

That's why I never make animal suggestions

[barren zephyr]

ugh thank you lmao

[burnt torrent]

no it isn't pycno is way heavier build with more and comparable in size, whilst carno has a really weak bite force and release on its speed to catch small prey, pycno is more powerfull but slower. its size estimate range from 7 meters and 1.2 tonnes to 8.9 meters and 2.5 tonnes with the lagerest estemates being 9.3 meters and 3.6 tonnes

[fervent fable]

@burnt torrent try this layout for dino suggestions

[Animal name] - Niche:
Prefered Biome:
What it eats:
Attacks:
What size of creature is it and why is it viable:

[paper geyser]

A slightly larger, stronger, slower carno, how nice

Also what angel said

[burnt torrent]

noted for next time

[fervent fable]

@burnt torrent also this is how i filled in that layout #general-feedback message

[wise delta]

Maybe one day it will be possible if modding will become a possibility it would allow servers to produce their own dinosaurs and use them.

[wintry monolith]

this is just carno without horns

[wise delta]

It kinda makes me thing of a herra x Carno

Think*

[wintry monolith]

yeah its a carno with no horns and a bit more chonk but only a small bit

[silent current]

When your dwarf playable is so bad that you have to increase its size to make it viable, it defeats the point of dwarf sauropod completely. Why not just get plateo/bajada or shuno instead

[idle ibex]

i dont know if you looked at the size increase at all

its extremely minimal

its not like it would make magy too good either, its still a consistent food source for allos that have perks to allow them to eat magy, and would still be challenging yet rewarding to kill and eat for cerato cause nothing else can eat from it, and making magy larger would benefit ceratos in this aspect as this food source for them can last longer

sorry if that wasnt a good arguement or a good way to spell it, im not a native english speaker, hopefully you understood my point tho

[silent current]

no worries about the English, it isnt my first language as well

magy case is a tough one

[paper geyser]

yep, magy's entire thing is being a dwarf sauropod

increasing its size goes against what it's supposed to be

either it'll be too small to make a difference or it'll be so big that it loses its only unique feature

[lilac swallow]

Also increading its size literally transforms magy in saltasaurus, so may as well call It salta since the start to be honest

[paper geyser]

precisely, making it bigger is really just the perfect argument for having chosen a different animal altogether

[worn pumice]

increasing size i dont like cuz at that point u could've picked any other saurpod

theres so many good sauropods so not sure how we got magy

but aye

[lilac swallow]

Like, i hate magy, and actually like salta, but i Will get angry if we get a Salta sized magy, like, what is the point?

[worn pumice]

yes if we increase magy's size then we might as well should've gotten a good sauropod

baja

diplo

apa

[lilac swallow]

Diplo and apa are far from the small sauropod they were searching, but bajada, salta and amarga (my personal favorite but is the less fitting in the category) were possible choices for the small sauropod

[paper geyser]

god i'd kill for any diplodocid

[worn pumice]

if we want a smaller type of sauropod theres still a lot to choose from

but no magy

[lilac swallow]

Any non apato diplodocid, specially diplo itself

[worn pumice]

wwd diplo pls

[silent current]

exactly

[lilac swallow]

There is only one worse option than magy, Europasaurus, is a magy sized brachi, so is small but as It is vertical its even slower and harder to hide

[worn pumice]

magy is a dwarf sauropod because its biggest predator was a pterasaur so

[hybrid matrix]

[silent current]

brahytrachelopan or something like that is also a shit option

[worn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/diplodocus-sauropod-fighting-dinosaur-wild-animals-gif-17293435

[lilac swallow]

Wwd diplo and the first jp scene with the brachi are the reason im such a sauropod lover

[worn pumice]

how do u not like sauropods lol

[lilac swallow]

The argument would be "too slow reee" a shitty argument but i see It a lot

[paper geyser]

raptor red made me like diplodocids

[hybrid matrix]

sauropods evolved giagantism for a reason

[worn pumice]

yea too slow but its a really shitty agrument due to the fact that most big dinos are slow too

[hybrid matrix]

it was so that they wouldnt have to run away from things and theyd be too big for anything to kill in the first place

[lilac swallow]

Sauropod's weapon is their size, removing is like having trike without horns or stego without tail

[worn pumice]

ik this isnt balance feedback but how much dmg does stegos tail do rn in evirma cuz i hit 4 utahs but they never died

[hybrid matrix]

rex without neck muscles
giga without teeth

[lilac swallow]

Im not a numbers Guy sorry

[worn pumice]

F

i saw on a stream that it was 1100-1300 but idk anymore

[left nacelle]

@worn pumice Stego's tail can one shot an adult utah. Either you missed or there were desync issues

[lilac swallow]

In the head only right?

[left nacelle]

I've one shot many adult utah's already so I know that's the case

Nah it's anywhere I'm pretty sure

[zinc anvil]

This means you only hit the tip of the tail

[left nacelle]

Maybe not the tail, but most places it's a one shot

[elder rivet]

You deal like 1100-1300, and utahs don't get oneshot if you hit their tail

[worn pumice]

i was thinking that cuz one of em was angled downwards so the tail didnt like hit it full force

ight makes sense

ik 3 of em were desync issues

[left nacelle]

One shotting a utah mid pounce is the best thing ever tho

[worn pumice]

it is

something running into ur tail is so satisfying

[left nacelle]

I had a dumb utah just run up and pounce at me right when I got to adult stego, I saw it from a mile away and it died instantly lol

[worn pumice]

yea u need more then one lol

and if ur in a woody area the stego is gonna win

[hybrid matrix]

rq, it takes 4 utahs to kill a stego via pouncing it till they run out of stam

[worn pumice]

yes

[left nacelle]

That's actually how I lost my stego lol. Got killed by a group of like 6 utahs. Was my fault tho, I tried to swim away when I was low on health

[worn pumice]

but the stego can buck

[hybrid matrix]

without the stego bucking

[worn pumice]

which makes it 5 or 6 pounces

yea w/o it its 4 pounces

[hybrid matrix]

if the stego doesnt buck then 4 utahs can kill a stego by pouncing

[worn pumice]

yeh

seems pretty low honestly

for a stego

but pounce is broken so

[left nacelle]

Eh, 4 utah killing a stego seems pretty fair to me

[elder rivet]

I wish they fixed stego's bucking animation, you buck and for like 8 seconds your stego does nothing while the utahs look fine

[worn pumice]

stego itself balance wise isnt too bad it could use some more dmg tho especially with rex ai

and deino

[worn pumice]

this is intented same with carno

[left nacelle]

Well deino isn't something you're really meant to fight you're kinda just expected to avoid it lol

[worn pumice]

well rex ai ur definitly gonna have to fight

whether u want to or not

[left nacelle]

Yeah rex ai you definitely have to fight

[hybrid matrix]

hang on

[worn pumice]

ye so it could use a bit more dmg

[hybrid matrix]

#general-feedback message

[worn pumice]

that way rex isnt face tanking stego hits

[hybrid matrix]

ok good that is the right link

[worn pumice]

yes thats a great suggestion

extra injuries apart from just bleed and dmg

[left nacelle]

Yeah, I wanna knock off a rex's bottom jaw

[hybrid matrix]

i reposted that suggestion

[idle ibex]

imo if a stego hits you in the face and you live, you should get a screen similar to being sand blasted in BoB, your screen is obscured but you can get away, as to simulate some kind of blindness. and anky could have a head hit just dislocate your jaw, so basically eating, biting and any action with your jaw will hurt your dino slightly because who wouldnt have their jaw hurt extemely much if you tried biting someone?

[hybrid matrix]

u shuold become a potato if u get hit in the head by either of them

i forgot to make it clear that those effects were only for a headshot

[safe galleon]

@burnt torrent

[worn pumice]

Extra injuries is a cool idea that i hope is added eventually

[safe galleon]

Extra injuries?

[worn pumice]

yes

apart from bone break bleed and raw dmg

we can have non-lethal extra injuries after an attack

[barren zephyr]

I actually like that, if a herrea got hit in its arm while attacking something like a pachy, its arm would “break” and it couldnt pounce or climb trees for a while

[worn pumice]

i.e. blindess, stun (we have already), broken jaws, etc

[safe galleon]

So just fractures

Like we’re getting in update 4

[barren zephyr]

are fractures for every part of the body?

[worn pumice]

blindess would actually be cool after getting hit with a heavy attack

[barren zephyr]

thought it was still just legs

[worn pumice]

stego hits giga in head for example and its vision gets cloudy

for a little amount of time

[jagged heath]

@burnt torrent I saw your thing about dinos that should be added to evrima, but in the pins for the channel, it says "For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes. " It also says "If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over." maybe you could talk about how the dino would work in evrima??

[burnt torrent]

i edited my post hope its acceptable

[paper oriole]

That stego/anky thing works if you hit them on the snout/jaw but hitting them by the eye or base of the skull shouldn't just stun them lol.
It should kill then

Like honestly if you let yourself get hit there you deserve the natural selection that follows

[valid zephyr]

Not a fan of the giant neck humps. The spine comes out the rear of the skull, and not 45 degrees to the top.

It just makes them look really strange, and is a large reason why I don't like the new acro and alberto.

[paper oriole]

I like the scrappy new herrera i don't want him getting a botox injection on his neck like elder

I prefer legacy herrera model to neck-day stallion elder herrera

[paper geyser]

i love the pupil idea but please for the love of god they must get it right if it's to be a thing

[zenith onyx]

lol

[paper geyser]

pupils widen when threatened or hunting, to allow for more visibility

like i know TI isn't about accuracy but simple shit like this needs to be done right

[zenith onyx]

i think it would work similar to the growth system, after a certain time like after 3 calling, or after being attacked, the pupils would shrink

or expand depending on the shape

or size

[paper geyser]

the rule of thumb should be to increase in size

high stress = wide pupil

[zenith onyx]

wide pupils usually catch lots background detail, during fights, seen alot in lions, their eyes narrow to catch any detail they can use against their prey or attacker

its almost like a focusing factor

[left nacelle]

I think the animals that have good night vision should have the slit pupils, small to medium herbivores should have goat-like horizontal pupils, and everything else should have a round pupil

[paper geyser]

i own 5 cats, pupils dilate when focused on prey and when afraid

pupils may shrink in other occasions but during attack/defense they are almost always 100% open

[zenith onyx]

mmh, new info to me atleast

[left nacelle]

I think the pupils changing shape is a bit too far imo. That detail would never be noticed unless you're looking for it

[zenith onyx]

And @left nacelle the eye changing would only happen during fights or during vocalization periods

[paper geyser]

it's a cool QoL thing that would be nice to see after the full release if more details are being added for the sake of it

[left nacelle]

Yeah that's what I mean, you wouldn't be looking at their eyes at that time anyway

[paper geyser]

would certainly be interesting for movies or cinematics

but yeah shouldn't be a priority by any means

[left nacelle]

Yeah post release I could see them adding small details like that

[zenith onyx]

maybe it could be used in the idle animations aswell

[paper geyser]

it's in the same area as blinking

not necessary but nice to see

[left nacelle]

Well yeah but blinking can be useful for at night when creatures' eyes are glowing. Makes them stand out more

Plus blinking is kinda necessary for any sort of personality

[zenith onyx]

both can be used

both could be interesting to see, but nontheless useless in game lol. just something to build an attachment to your dino, which Evrima hasn't completely achieved yet

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr Hypno said Ptera's growth with be about an hour I believe, so you're pretty much spot on

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but they set the official growth time wasn’t confirmed yet

It was up for debate

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but Ptera's is definitely gonna be in that range. I'd be surprised if it's any longer than an hour and a half since it's so fragile

[hybrid matrix]

salty

quetz shouldnt have a 2 hour grow time

yes but no

yes for ptera
no for quetz

thats wut the reactions mean

[left nacelle]

At first I agreed with the 2 hours but that wouldn't make any sense now that I think on it. Quetz is huge, having a two hour growth would be odd

[worn pumice]

Hmmm I mean ptera being 1 hour and 15 mins is good imo

Since it’s basically just a flying scavenger

[hybrid matrix]

hence yes but no

[worn pumice]

But a big ptera like quartz should get a good 2.5 hours or higher

Imo

[hybrid matrix]

hang on a sec

i couldve just spelled out yes but no

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but there should still be some challenge to growing something that can fly and I felt like a hour was a little short

[worn pumice]

Ptera shouldn’t be longer to grow then Utah

[barren zephyr]

How long is Utah?

[worn pumice]

1.5 hours

[barren zephyr]

Ptera is small as shit have you seen that thing?

[hybrid matrix]

dryo sized

and yes ive seen one

[barren zephyr]

1.5 is fine for how small it is, doesn't need to be longer at all

Yeah ptera should be like hour and 15 or 20

[worn pumice]

A dryo could prolly kill a ptera

No cap

Lol

[left nacelle]

Ptera's about as tall as dryo, but it's actually smaller since it's lighter

[hybrid matrix]

i mean they run fast

[left nacelle]

Weight = mass = size

[hybrid matrix]

u remember way back when evrima first came out?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah the servers crashed on release

[hybrid matrix]

admins could inject ppl with deino and ptera like they would with spino or shant in legacy

[barren zephyr]

Quetz is about giraffe sized, it was the largest flyer to ever live iirc

[hybrid matrix]

so i played alongside deinos and pteras

[left nacelle]

It was the tallest, Hatzeg was heavier so it was the biggest iirc

[hybrid matrix]

well

a deino

and a ptera

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I feel like quetz should be longer than Utah but not by much

[hybrid matrix]

quetz is giraffe sized

[barren zephyr]

Quetz was an apex flyer so.. no

[hybrid matrix]

it should be much longer

imo quetz should be 4-6 hours

[barren zephyr]

But it’s a flyer and not very strong

[left nacelle]

Quetz is massive. It's big enough to pick up a dryo. Maybe not fly with it tho

[barren zephyr]

It’s just a big chicken

[hybrid matrix]

guarantee quetzes will eat raptors

[barren zephyr]

Just cause it’s big does not mean it’s strong enough to kill most things

[left nacelle]

Health wise it's not strong, but I could see it being a threat to anything smaller than a cerato

[hybrid matrix]

it has a huge face

quetz has such a big face

[barren zephyr]

It's estimated weight was about 70kg (150lb) for a 10m

[hybrid matrix]

it could swallow a raptor whole

its like a massive pelican

[barren zephyr]

I guess it could be able to kill a cerato if it stabbed it to death but nothing bigger than that

[left nacelle]

Either way, even if it wasn't very strong, it should take at least 2.5 to 3 hours to grow because of its size alone

[barren zephyr]

Because it’s size it should be longer but because it is really just a stronger and bigger pteranodon it shouldn’t be too long

I think 3 hours might be right

I'm not sure what species they're going for though

[left nacelle]

It's different from pteranodon. It doesn't hunt fish like ptera and it can actually hunt things

[barren zephyr]

Northropi is huge

[barren zephyr]

In terms of strength

[left nacelle]

It's WAAAY stronger than ptera

[hybrid matrix]

guys do u like my suggestion?

peliquetz

[left nacelle]

I like

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but it’s not gonna be like killing a cerato in a standoff it would need tactics to avoid being bitten and killed

It'd be a cool niche for sure

[left nacelle]

Exactly, and pteranodon would do the same with a dryo

[hybrid matrix]

pelican of the jungles

[barren zephyr]

Although if a group of quetz like 3-5 worked together they could probably kill something like a carno or allo if they really tried

[left nacelle]

Probably. I could see that being tedious tho

[hybrid matrix]

5 quetzes could kill a bertie if theyre skilled

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I can see the group limit of quetz being 3 or 4

[lilac swallow]

Animals size is their weight and last time i checked giraffes arent 250 kg

[hybrid matrix]

i mean height not weight

its as tall as a giraffe

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, but if we are talking about height alone then quetz would be bigger than Rex

[barren zephyr]

I can see it 2 shoting Utah’s with its beak

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno

[hybrid matrix]

1shotting

its beak is huge

it has a giant face

dont forget how huge this things face is

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but we don’t want it to be too strong

Unless we wannna make it strong

[lilac swallow]

The beak is longer than Utah is wide, but at the same time Utah is 3 times quetz weight

So we need to balance It out

I would say 2, tbh there isnt much difference between 1 and 2

[barren zephyr]

Yeah like quetz in a group could kill whatever they want besides apex’s and they could kill most mid tiers easily but there drawback is they are super fragile

[hybrid matrix]

alr hang on, wut is quetz' weight?

[lilac swallow]

Around 250 kg

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[lilac swallow]

Its huge but its made of papper

[hybrid matrix]

and utah weight?

700 kg right?

[lilac swallow]

600 kg

600-700 around there

[hybrid matrix]

ok well gimme a sec

[barren zephyr]

I think 2 pounces should be enough to kill a quetz

Cause again it’s super fragile

[lilac swallow]

I cant Talk about pounce because i havent played Utah a lot since envrima

[barren zephyr]

The pounce is strong

But we don’t want quetz just dying in one pounce cause it would be pretty easy to pounce something this big. So like 2 pounces would kill it

Should be able to take one at least

[lilac swallow]

Its a fact that on land quetz shouldnt have advantage against something around its size/slighty bigger

[barren zephyr]

Yeah like if it came in to swoop it could easily one shot a Utah with its beak. But if a Utah managed to pounce it when it swooped down it would hurt it a lot

[hybrid matrix]

ok

i did some math

the largest weight estimate that a quetz could carry is 400 lbs

sorry

440*

or 200 kg

[barren zephyr]

Utahraptor weighs more

[hybrid matrix]

yeep

i was thinking that quetz had such large wings, maybe it could produce enough lift to take off but no

[barren zephyr]

Will a Utah pounce be able to kill a ptera?

Utahraptor could probably easily take down a Quetzalcoatlus not quick enough to take off

I think it’s enough to kill it but I’m not sure

[lilac swallow]

Ptera is a flying Fisher dryo

[hybrid matrix]

ok so anyway quetz couldnt pick up a fully grown utah

[lilac swallow]

Does a Utah pounce kill dryo?

[barren zephyr]

I think so

Generally speaking, pterosaurs should grow quickly since they're pretty much kites with joints and flight musculature

Yeah which is why I originally said two hours but idk it could go either way or it being two or three hours

One one side it’s super fragile and could die easily but on the other it’s a super strong bird that could kill Utah’s easily

Utah only takes one hour, so hypothetically Ptera should take a shorter amount of time (but there is metabolism and so forth to account for)

Utah is 1.5

ah

[lilac swallow]

Judgung by size alone, ptera should be the same as dryo

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon would be around 1 hour

[lilac swallow]

And quetz should be more but still less than utah

But we have to take into account the fact that they fly

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[lilac swallow]

So they should have more than their size alone would say

[hybrid matrix]

actually

the ability to fly doesnt affect growth

[barren zephyr]

Metabolism, if such a thing ever gets added, should

it also affects how hungry an animal gets, and thus needs to feed

[hybrid matrix]

wut would be cool, is that instead of puking, if a pterosaur over eats, theyre flight ability is affected

the heavier they are the harder it is to fly

longer take-off, takes more stam, etc

until they cant fly at all and they puke and get sick

[barren zephyr]

For example, if a Ptera would have a lower metabolism than a Utahraptor, it needs less food to sustain itself, or needs to feed less often

But it also grows more slowly

[hybrid matrix]

that would mean pterosaurs would try to stay light while also avoiding starvation

or

instead of not puking imediately

,

they puke

but they also gain more weight

[barren zephyr]

If going even further with outdated ideas that the ptera already has (like bare skin and bipedal launching), ptera could also have a metabolism intermediate between that of other reptiles like Deinosuchus or Megalania and the game's dinosaurs (which means it can get prone to getting chilled in cold air)

[glass mulch]

@hybrid matrix Oviraptor is like 40kg whut

[barren zephyr]

This could probably restrict it from getting off the island as well because of cold oceanic currents

I think a perk for quetz would be be able to pick up anything Utah sized or smaller that way you get your pick up but you gotta work for it. Again TL is not realism

[hybrid matrix]

ok

im trying to think

wut is the biggest a quetz could carry

[glass mulch]

Quetz is about the height of a giraffe

[hybrid matrix]

200 kg

i kno

but it weighs 250 kg

[glass mulch]

(Quetz cant really carry stuff)

[hybrid matrix]

and google said that the heaviest it could carry is like 200 kg

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[hybrid matrix]

it has a huge mouth

[barren zephyr]

A lanky build makes it generally trash at carrying stuff

[hybrid matrix]

if it were peliquetz then it could carry small things

[barren zephyr]

especially with a big head and long neck

[barren zephyr]

Yeah which is why the only way to do it would be able to get it through the perks system but you would need to go a certain path that boosts strength to be able to carry it

Pelicans don't have ridiculously long necks

[barren zephyr]

But again you would probably need to be full adult to even be able to use that perk to advantage

[left nacelle]

A quetz carrying something that big would make no sense. It wouldn't be able to fly

[hybrid matrix]

pelicans do have ridiculously long necks my good sir

[barren zephyr]

A normal player would not be able to yes, but as a perk later in growth

[hybrid matrix]

that big as in...?

[barren zephyr]

You would need to work for the perk though

[left nacelle]

Utah size

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut the update bit is for

wait

[left nacelle]

I'm confused

[hybrid matrix]

i never specifically said that it should be able to carry utahs in flight

[barren zephyr]

There could be a path that lets you focus more on strength and be able to have more power and eventually be able to carry things up to Utah sized as the limit

[hybrid matrix]

i said it should be able to swallow anything raptor sized

[left nacelle]

I'm talking about Salty's suggestion, Derptah

[hybrid matrix]

that doesnt mean it should be able to fly with them

ok

but still

im making a point

[barren zephyr]

Yes your correct how it should not be able to normally pick it up

[left nacelle]

Salty, would it be picking up living utahs? Or corpses

[barren zephyr]

Hmm, maybe both. That way it can have the uniqueness to pick something up but only if you went down a certain path but maybe when your flying with it your speed is slowed down a little

That way it’s not too overpowered

And isn’t abused cause you would have to go a certain path and give up some you might want for this

[left nacelle]

I wouldn't see the point in picking up living utahs

[barren zephyr]

The fun and satisfaction of dropping something midair

[left nacelle]

If you can fly with living utahs, then that's gonna be a biiiig nope from me. Cause then you can just drop them and insta kill them

That doesn't sound fun at all for the utah

[barren zephyr]

Again it would not just be Utah’s it’s everything smaller than it too

Utah would just make you slow down your flight a lot

But it’s something fun for players to do

[quasi cloak]

@zenith onyx I think its the other way around. The eyes should be slit and when fighting the pupils should be enlarged. You can see this in cats when they attack or are frightened. But I can see why it would look cooler if they became slits when fighting.

[left nacelle]

That doesn't change it tho. It not fun to be able to be snatched up and instantly killed

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[barren zephyr]

The thing is that it would not be all the time

[hybrid matrix]

i fixed my suggestion

the finalized version is ready for voting

[barren zephyr]

Only the quetz who go down the path for strength and muscle would be able to do it

[left nacelle]

Yeah, and with the ability to instakill utahs, every quetz is gonna go down that path

And iirc, perks are just gonna be quality of life stuff, not combat focused

[barren zephyr]

Yes but Utah’s are the limit, nothing else can be picked up beyond that

[left nacelle]

That doesn't make it any better

[barren zephyr]

Well the thing is your not gonna run into a Utah every couple minutes you would actually have to fine one first, and aim the attack. If you missed the Utah could easily pounce you when your close enough

[hybrid matrix]

dude

utahraptors r too big for a quetz to fly with

[left nacelle]

Yeah but if it doesn't miss, then the utah is 100% dead

And what Derptah said

[barren zephyr]

So? Carno already kills Utah’s easily

[left nacelle]

"Easily"

[hybrid matrix]

no matter what, a fully grown raptor is too heavy for a quetz to carry in flight

[quasi cloak]

I mean look at the size of its beak

[barren zephyr]

Pretty much run them down

[quasi cloak]

of course a utah would get one shot

[hybrid matrix]

it should be able to swallow a raptor whole, BUT ONLY ON THE GROUND

[left nacelle]

But utahs are more agile and they're smaller, they can escape carnos

[hybrid matrix]

IN FLIGHT THE QUETZ WOULD BE TOO FRONT HEAVY

[quasi cloak]

ye quetz shouldn't be able to fly wit utah

[left nacelle]

Beak size means nothing, look at toucans

[barren zephyr]

WHICH IS WHY IT WOULD NEED TO BE A PERK PATH INVOLVING STRENGTH AND MUSCLE TO EVEN BE ABLE TO PICK IT UP AT ALL

[quasi cloak]

why u think they use that large beak for

[left nacelle]

It's not about strength, it's about the fact that nothing can fly with something that heavy in its mouth. It completely defies physics and it would look weird too

[true ermine]

ik this is probs old but why do i get a black screen when im tryna host

[barren zephyr]

It’s just a small fun thing for someone to do why are you so against something you need to work for to be able to do something you still would need to aim and have skill to perform off

[quasi cloak]

ye thats what im saying quetzshouldn't be able to fly wit utah in mouth

[barren zephyr]

When was the isle ever about realism

[hybrid matrix]

i mean its kind of a stretch that it could even carry a raptor in its mouth WHILE ON THE GROUND, but FLYING????

flying is insanely delicate

[left nacelle]

It's not about realism, but it's about plausibility. None of the animals have superpowers

[quasi cloak]

I think qyetz should be more land based and uses flight to escape predators or to travel far distances

[hybrid matrix]

if u attempt to add any weight to an object that can barely fly due to its proportions, then u crash

well

not any weight

but a utahraptor weighs MORE THAN A QUETZ

[barren zephyr]

That’s why it gets the muscle in its wings to be able to carry the amount of weight

[quasi cloak]

i dont think so

[barren zephyr]

Through the perks

[quasi cloak]

does it rlly weigh more

[mental sleet]

What are these arguments.

[hybrid matrix]

its like putting a 737 on top of an SR-71 and saying it can fly

[left nacelle]

It would be front heavy. No matter how much muscle it has, it just can't do it. And again, it isn't fun for the prey

[barren zephyr]

Do you think it would be fun for the player to go through all the requirements to even to it

It’s a reward for someone who went through the trouble to even do it

[hybrid matrix]

no matter what, its too front heacy

heavy*

lemme explain

just listen

ok?

dont say anything

[barren zephyr]

I get it’s too heavy

[hybrid matrix]

salty stop typing

stop it

[barren zephyr]

Fine

[hybrid matrix]

bluebird u too

everyone stop typing and let me explain

[left nacelle]

Rewarding players by giving them an ability that can be super trolly is a bad idea

[hybrid matrix]

what did i just say

[left nacelle]

I'm listening lol

[hybrid matrix]

shhhhhhhhh

ok

so

david stop it

no typing

[left nacelle]

[hybrid matrix]

quit it

why are u like this

[barren zephyr]

Very true

There talk

[hybrid matrix]

alr

so

awit

gimme a minute

[barren zephyr]

Point is if you tried to pick it up it wouldn’t work if you fly I get it

[left nacelle]

My main point is that it can easily be abused and it wouldn't be fun at all for the prey

[barren zephyr]

So your saying if someone took the time to grow out a hypo through all the pain and hardness they did it would be unfair because they did all the work to get it

Because it’s able to do something for the player who went through the difficulty to get it

[left nacelle]

No ,that's different. You can avoid hypos, hypos can't fly

[barren zephyr]

Hypos one shot basically everything besides apex’s anyways

[left nacelle]

Yeah, they one shot stuff, but you can hide from them or you can run away. It isn't hard to hide from them since they're so big. Quetzs can fly and are fast. If you're caught in the open, you're done for if it can grab you

[barren zephyr]

Yes but the thing is you would have to aim the attack, you would have to use skills to be able to grab it when it tried to run.

On the other side if your the Utah you could attempt to avoid the attack and pounce the quetz when it gets low enough to grab you

[left nacelle]

I could kinda see that working. But, people who are good with it will just use it to troll

[barren zephyr]

But not everyone will use quetz it’s just the people who would use it

[hybrid matrix]

alr

Alr, so lets say we have this plane

[left nacelle]

Yeah, not everyone will use quetz and not everyone will get the perk, but the people who do, can easily troll with it

[barren zephyr]

I don’t think half a server is gonna go out of there way to troll people as quetz

[hybrid matrix]

if we add mass to the front

like this

[barren zephyr]

I know it’s not realistic we get it

[hybrid matrix]

btw

[left nacelle]

Not half the server, but a few people definitely will, which would make playing as a small animal very unfun

[hybrid matrix]

the mass already there is the center of mass

[barren zephyr]

Yes but first you have to go through the let’s say 3 hours to grow it and go down the path involving power to pick things up

[versed zodiac]

but i mean just run from the quetz.

[left nacelle]

Center of mass would be where the wing is. That's how planes work, if the center of mass is behind the wing like it is in the pic, it's back heavy

[mental sleet]

This perk is beyond unbalanced, you'd always pick it, because in layman's terms, it allows you to 1 shot anything with Utahraptor's weight or less, which is a massive damage buff.
A perk which is of the "always pick" power level, is not healthy.

Realism doesn't matter here, you can bullshit just about anything you'd like.

[hybrid matrix]

If we add double the plane's mass to the front, then it'll be too front heavy

[left nacelle]

And on top of that, I'm pretty sure it was said that perks wouldn't effect combat

[barren zephyr]

I mean a normal questz is probably gonna be able to one shot a Utah with its beak. So why is it not ok for it to be able to pick it up and kill it for fun

[hybrid matrix]

ik but this took 2 seconds to make so i didnt worry too much about that

[mental sleet]

We don't know if they will, Salty, and if they do, then the perk goes from OP to meaningless.

So the perk is either too strong, being an "always pick" or meaningless, because you can already 1 tap them.

[barren zephyr]

I know I’m just brainstorming

[left nacelle]

I doubt it would one shot a utah with its beak anyway. I could see it being a two shot but a one shot seems a bit much

[barren zephyr]

The point is to be able to pick it up and bring it somewhere else to eat or just to troll for something funny

[mental sleet]

"just to troll for something funny" and there we go.

[left nacelle]

I could see it carrying a corpse but carrying a player isn't alright

[barren zephyr]

A full Utah would prob be a two shot but most would be a one shot

[barren zephyr]

It’s just something small to add to the game for fun

[hybrid matrix]

This is what would happen if we added twice the plane's mass to the front

[valid zephyr]

Why does this channel suddnly look like a kerbal plane building tutorial?

[hybrid matrix]

idk

[barren zephyr]

Read up

[valid zephyr]

indicators even the right colour.

[left nacelle]

If anything can be used to troll, it's not a good idea because people love trolling

[left nacelle]

I love ksp

[valid zephyr]

Yeah too much mass in the nose and it's going to lawn dart.

[hybrid matrix]

actually i was wrong

[barren zephyr]

But not everyone will play Utah or quetz, plus it would probably be harder to pick up anything smaller than Utah because it would be hard to spot

[hybrid matrix]

the lift wouldnt chagne direction

the thrust would

like this

it would divebomb the ground

[barren zephyr]

We get it derp

[hybrid matrix]

apparently u dont if we're still on the subject

[barren zephyr]

Look I was just thinking of something small someone could work for. It’s not something we should argue our heads over

It’s not supposed to be something everyone will use all the time it’s just something you could use in a situation if you happened to go down the path

[hybrid matrix]

rlly? me too

[barren zephyr]

What’s that?

[hybrid matrix]

(yes thats on kerbin but i was testing it out b4 launching it)

[valid zephyr]

lol lets go to offtopic with the ksp!

[hybrid matrix]

good idea

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx Food is intentionally not near water cause if it was all the herbivores would just lay there since they wouldn't need to go and look for food. This was an issue in the game a while ago

[ashen wasp]

Yeah, i think that kind of birdbath simulator gameplay is exactly what the new food values are trying to avoid

[barren zephyr]

Perhaps there can be food around it there just won’t be as much

Sure it could be a good convenience but it wouldn’t last forever

[glass mulch]

@zenith onyx nightvision will be coming with update 6

[zenith onyx]

I understand that, but we have no idea if its going to be the same TYPE of thing. I really hope they don't change it too much.

[paper geyser]

they will

[left nacelle]

They'll have to change it at least a little to prevent people from gamma abusing

[ashen wasp]

Everything in Evrima will more or less be from the ground up, improvements all around

[paper geyser]

they've confirmed it'll be different to legacy's i'm pretty sure, and i'm fucking glad they did. Legacy night vision was horrible

[glass mulch]

Legacy nightvision

[worn pumice]

nv in legacy was trash

[left nacelle]

Even if they do change it a lot, it'll still have a horror aspect to it

[paper geyser]

"suspense" nah dude it was just fucking annoying and hindered gameplay

i don't know what'll be different in evrima but i have hope they'll do it well

[worn pumice]

well tbh ive never gotten scared scared playing the isle

it might pump my adrenaline but im not scared

[ashen wasp]

yeah, it's a little early-access to really get into the horror aspects

[paper geyser]

legacy scared me a bunch and i'm sure evrima will too with the coming updates

[worn pumice]

ive gotten surprised before

but never scared

[paper geyser]

but it's not really anything to do with the game, just me getting caught off guard

[left nacelle]

Yeah The Isle's gonna be terrifying with the features that are planned

[worn pumice]

so i wonder how their gonna implement things that make the game scary

[ashen wasp]

the fear will really kick in once human gameplay is accessible

[paper geyser]

agreed

[worn pumice]

yea human gameplay

agreed

[paper geyser]

smalls and humans are mostly where the horror will be at

[left nacelle]

And then it will be even scarier once the eyeless monsters are in

[worn pumice]

humans should worry most about smaller dinos then big ones

[ashen wasp]

mhm

[paper geyser]

troodons

[worn pumice]

they'll see the rex but they wont see the utah or troodon or whatever

also deino is a thing

[left nacelle]

It'll be pretty hard for big things like rex to see humans. I remember how hard it was chase down a human as a giga on legacy

[paper geyser]

yep, small and nimble

like chasing a small

[left nacelle]

Back when humans were in the game

[worn pumice]

oh yea i remember

when humans were added

and they had like a bow n stuff

[left nacelle]

Yeah, and the mercs had nothing lol

[worn pumice]

lmao

yup

i wonder how their gonna balance mercs

especially if ur playing a sauropod

unless their not adding like big weapons

[left nacelle]

Well weapons and ammo will be hard to find, so people aren't gonna use it unless they need to

[worn pumice]

yea that makes sense

wonder what weapons their gonna use

obvi automatic weapons

but apart from that

shotguns?

[left nacelle]

I could see shotguns and pistols being a thing

[worn pumice]

same

[barren zephyr]

automatic guns should be as strong as velo imo

[left nacelle]

I remember Dondi saying in the past that he's tempted to add a SUPER rare railgun that can shoot off dino limbs lmao

[worn pumice]

lmao

imagine

might be a one time use thing tho

if its not then

[zenith onyx]

@barren zephyr I really like your suggestion.

[ashen wasp]

yeah, animals with large eyes and round pupils (Kentro, Minmi, Homalo, Dryo) should get higher vision radii at night, as well as those specifically mentioned to be nocturnal (Troodon, Dilo)

[left nacelle]

Slit pupils are also good for night vision tho, aren't they?

[paper geyser]

not really afaik

it's more what's in the eye rather than what the pupil looks like

in short, bigger pupil means better night vision

so most animals' pupils will dilate at night

[left nacelle]

Oooh gotcha

[paper geyser]

funky shaped pupils can help in all sorts of ways but i don't believe there's any benefit in terms of night vision

[left nacelle]

According to Google, slit pupils can dilate into round pupils for good night vision, but they can slit closed to help prevent the sun from destroying your eyeballs lol

So that makes sense. Slit = Less light so you don't get your eyes hurt when it's bright

[paper geyser]

precisely

flash a light towards your eye in a mirror

you'll see the pupil get smaller

and pupils in each eye can be at two different sizes at the same time, pretty neat

[left nacelle]

Some animals can even control their pupils manually, like parrots (Idk if all parrots can tho)

[ashen wasp]

lots of birds can-- slit pupils are also good at judging depth, which is why you'll usually see them on animals close to the ground that hunt by pouncing on smaller prey, hence why foxes and smaller cat species have slit pupils, while larger cats and wolves have round ones

[paper geyser]

which is why it looks absolutely ridiculous on animals like utah and carno

[ashen wasp]

yyyyep. i remember rex also had slit pupils for a while and just. why

[paper geyser]

the trend of giving dinosaurs slit eyes needs some fixing

[ashen wasp]

i could see them for Velociraptor and Troodon, but only one bird species alive today has slit pupils, so as it stands theyre currently really rare in extant dinosaurs

[paper geyser]

yeah i wouldn't mind them on smalls that are near the ground

i for one love the idea of gecko-like pupils for troodon like we saw in the concept

[ashen wasp]

YES, RIGHT???

[paper geyser]

please

[ashen wasp]

Troodon's broken-up pupils, Ovi's rectangular ones, Beipi and Theri's piercing tiny ones

[proud coral]

YES Troodon would look awesome with that eye

[paper geyser]

pupils add so much character, really hope we get more variety (and less slit pupils for animals that don't need them)

[proud coral]

The eyes in the renders on the roadmap are temporary by the way. Eye textures in renders are always like that, so they'll be different in-game.

[ashen wasp]

mhm mhm mhm mhm

yeahhhhh, just throws me for a loop every time

i hope Kentro keeps its' big doofy pupils though

[proud coral]

But it was said eye customization would be a thing so I really hope we can give Troodon eyes like that image O_O

[ashen wasp]

if so, i hope it comes in with Update 8

[barren zephyr]

Maniraptorans like Velociraptor aren't completely like modern birds, either.

Slit pupils may or may not have been present, since Velociraptor is a nocturnal or crepuscular animal.

Utahraptor with rounded pupils would look better and more serious

But yeah the shape of the pupil should really correlate with what time of the day it's active at and so forth.

The game's Utahraptor seems to be cathermal based on the actions of players (pretty much truly active whenever it's hungry)

[ashen wasp]

that's true for all player-controlled animals

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

In the future I hope distinct "diurnal" and "nocturnal" animals probably will become a reality.

[ashen wasp]

with Update 6 i think we can expect a general shift in trends, at least

[hybrid matrix]

Ok honestly that wouldnt be such a bad idea

[worn pumice]

And I’m looking at my stego rn who doesn’t even have eyes

[fervent fable]

@hybrid matrix little late to reply but,
That Quetz suggestion is good, I’d like to see Quetz inspire by Pelicans

[hybrid matrix]

well thank you
i feel like quetz would have a similar pouch under its beak

[fervent fable]

Yeah, kinda like sucho?

Would be neat

[valid zephyr]

@pale schooner I definitely agree. It currently looks like its spine is coming out the top of its skull. Would be nice if it was made clear that it was scales, and not its head being attached at the top rather than the back.

[mental sleet]

Vurakles, people wouldn't follow them under most circumstances, and moderating them probably wouldn't be worth it.

[mild socket]

i feel like quetz should be lk 5-6 hours to grow since youll grow hella big much bigger than most dinos.

[odd token]

It works in other channels, pin it and make sure everybody follows since everyone else is abiding by these rules.

[mental sleet]

Maybe.

[odd token]

It doesn't have to be that difficult either. In Valheim's suggestion channel you have to put a 💡 in front of your suggestion to make it easier for the devs that its a suggestion, something like that could be introduced here if the admins are able to put up the work for it. They're already monitoring the feedback channels, might as well do a bit more.

My intention was to put it into consideration to come up with ideas on how to make it easier for the people reading the feedback channels (devs, QA) sorting out all the multiple suggestions while also maintaining a strict and clear order.

Right now everybody just does what he wants without any clear structure. A structure should help the people putting suggestions in the channel, not limit the creativity or the way how they wanna write their suggestion/feedback.

[noble pine]

why would a burrowing animal making ITS home, want help from another species that will want to claim that burrow as its own

[paper oriole]

i'd expect hadrosaurs to group with eachother rather than burrowers

[worn pumice]

I’m unsure about burrowers

But I made the suggestion of ceratopsians and hadrosaurs grping

[noble pine]

If I was burrowing my home

[paper oriole]

ceratopsians idk, could be a server optin, but hadrosaurs seem like they'd chill out together

[noble pine]

I wouldn’t want someone else to come in and help cause then they’d want to stay

[paper oriole]

ceratopsians seem kinda like short tempered assholes aside from a few

[noble pine]

They are

[worn pumice]

They are

Damn

I wasn’t fast enough

[noble pine]

Trike especially is known to have a bad temper with other animals

[worn pumice]

Wait ur gonna apply for dev???

[noble pine]

Idk am I?

[worn pumice]

[paper oriole]

i could easily see paras and maias and whatever tolerating or even helping eachother though

[noble pine]

Don told me to apply to be a dev or sit in the back of the car and sip my juice while he drives lmao

[worn pumice]

Lol

[noble pine]

Cause I commented on how it might be till late next year before we get even the old roster into evrima

I knew I was done as soon as he said “well wendigo”

[worn pumice]

I can almost hear dondi

Almost

[noble pine]

I wish I clipped it

It was gold

I was like “he’s either about to be optimistic or he’s gonna destroy me”

And well

I got owned

Hard

[worn pumice]

F

[steady lintel]

Were you wrong tho?

[hybrid matrix]

AG!!1

YES

AGGGGG

[paper oriole]

Couldnt've said it better myself

[glacial horizon]

i'm sold

[hybrid matrix]

aw man

ag is gone

[elder rivet]

NOOOO AG IS GONER

[glacial horizon]

finally got deleted lol