#general-feedback-discussion

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barren zephyr
dense wagon
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spiro is the smaller map isn't it

hybrid matrix
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u mean the borders?

silver zephyr
hybrid matrix
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or the actual island

ashen wasp
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a NEW smaller map

silver zephyr
dense wagon
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i think it's already done guys

barren zephyr
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Yes but the way they describe this map is bad

analog ingot
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Its just for servers that have lower slots or wanna meet with ppl since ppl demand birdbath so hard. Officials want bigger afaik.

hybrid matrix
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which map

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spiro or spero?

dense wagon
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this may be the smaller map, spiro

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the one with the border

silver zephyr
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?

hybrid matrix
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i think silver is right

silver zephyr
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we already have spiro

hybrid matrix
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i think spiro is the smaller map

dense wagon
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yeah

silver zephyr
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smaller map is on the roadmap as "not started" so its not

dense wagon
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hmm

analog ingot
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Spiro we have now got downsized not long ago, but upsized to its original size again cause smaller size sucked

dense wagon
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they may have forgot to update it or we are getting an entirely new map TI_Think

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probably the latter

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gtg eat now

cedar pulsar
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I think a death match map would be a great addition in one of the next few updates

silver zephyr
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@noble pine btw where did you hear that acro and alberto are being remade/tweaked?

analog ingot
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We just need testmap back and sandbox

analog ingot
silver zephyr
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i know

cedar pulsar
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yeah sandbox and testmap would work wonders imo

silver zephyr
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but they mentioned it in the post

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so they are talking about tweaks or remaking the concepts weve seen

cedar pulsar
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play with the enjoyable combat while not having to grow, would be something good for while we wait for survival to become more engaging

analog ingot
silver zephyr
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?

noble pine
silver zephyr
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hm

cedar pulsar
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if they are being redone it’s certainly a step in the right direction

noble pine
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I think a dev mentioned it? Idfk, I’ll have to dig around for it.

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That’s an if.

ashen wasp
noble pine
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Remove neck tumor, chill with the giga crests

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Remove the skin under the neck and move the head up on the neck.

cedar pulsar
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i have a bulldog and I can definitely see the similarities with Alberto to my dog

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so damn stout

analog ingot
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lmfao

nova anchor
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acro neck crest is too big but honestly other than that I fucking love the acro concept

noble pine
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Same

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Just chill on the neck and the crests

analog ingot
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I like the face looking like an arrow, but if the body was longer or neck I dont remember. and neck tumor gone its good (on acro)

nova anchor
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I like the idea behind albert but the execution was just terrible

silver zephyr
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TI_HypsiShrug thats how I feel for most of the recent concepts, they have a good core but go to far with some stuff imo

ashen wasp
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i dont..... mind Acro's crests, but the smooth plating??? armor??? skin folds???? on the neck are a definite "hmm"

noble pine
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Spino and giga are probably the best changed designs with unrealistic proportions that we’ve gotten so far imo

nova anchor
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the new giga is fucking awesome

analog ingot
nova anchor
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I love it

silver zephyr
noble pine
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Derp I knew you would comeback if I mentioned giga

analog ingot
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wait I didn't mean jurrasic fight club

noble pine
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Goway

analog ingot
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I meant jurrasic world mobile game thingy

hybrid matrix
noble pine
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no

hybrid matrix
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i been trying to call this company for a refund on my editing software so that i can buy the right subscription :|

noble pine
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Oh rip

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I have today off so

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Free time

hybrid matrix
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:(

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i dont

cedar pulsar
analog ingot
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xD

golden iron
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@barren zephyr you really only get caught if you keep running in a straight line. I've played hypsi and dryo many times, and you can easily juke carnos or utahs. I've never met a carni with good enough reaction speed to kill me when I'm juking it, and if they do it takes them forever to get 1 bite. Just look behind you when being chased and decide the best time for you to dodge and weave. These small dinos arent made to be faster, but they're made to be more agile. And I personally dont try to spit when being chased, because it rarely hits and isn't worth the risk. Once perk system is implemented, I believe they will be more fun to play.

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@noble pine couldnt agree more. I think they forget that at the end of the day, we're the ones buying and devoting our time to play this game. QA should have their opinions as well, and they should be taken into account, but the player base is the most important asset of any game; and if they aren't willing to listen to what the majority of the base says about things, people arent going to be happy with the game, and thats going to ruin its image.

noble pine
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^^^^^^^

tepid gate
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I will just point out that the people that are vocal on discord can't necessarily be considered "the majority of the playerbase" - the reality of it is that the majority of the playerbase very likely has little to outright no idea those animals are coming to Evrima in a remade version. The discord we're on is quite a peculiar place where opinions of people are easily influenced and the devs might think that it's quite literally a "vocal minority" making the case for certain changes. I'm not a big fan of the concept arts shown so far myself but I don't know why the devs decided to go with these specific motifs and they might have a reason to do that for all I know.

I do however have a feeling that the newer animals seem more... cartoonish looking compared to some of the old designs.

analog ingot
tepid gate
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I don't know if I could point out to the specific moment when they've changed this way but they genuinely seem like children's toys/drawings from a book for children.

noble pine
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The discord has 40k people in it

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That’s definitely a majority

tepid gate
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Nowhere close to 40k people actually pay attention to it.

golden iron
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the utah walks like a chicken and the carno is very bouncy

noble pine
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Sounds like a them problem then

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But to those of us who do

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We shouldn’t be ignored

analog ingot
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the ppl outside the discord are ppl that probably dont care tbh, discord is a place for feedback like steam sometimes is. So here devs should read what ppl think, but afaik they also go other social medias and read feedback.

tepid gate
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I don't think it's so much that they don't care, they very likely just aren't aware or simply don't pay that much attention to it. I very often find out that people have actually surprisingly strong opinions about certain things in the game but they don't necessarily know/get involved in discord discussions.

analog ingot
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Yeah I agree there are those too. I used to have opinions too but never voiced them here back in the days. Sometimes I've met ppl with similar opinions like we have here in discord, its just a shame they dont come here and show it, cause the more the better.

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If the devs had a news page in the main menu IN the game ppl would prehaps notice news better that they post here.

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and a link to it so they can directly go to it

golden iron
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we're the voice for the people that dont use theirs, because people in this discord that interact with these discussions are usually very educated on this game and its problems (not always). Some of us know what needs to be changed, and while other people outside discord might have different opinions, they dont hear the points people on here are making, unless they get their news from a second party, like instagram screenshots or youtube videos.

cedar pulsar
golden iron
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what im saying is people outside discord might be perfectly fine with the game how it is, and thats fine. But some of them dont know about issues. Ex, I thought the anky model was pretty good until I read peoples complaints about it, and I can see from their pov, and I can change my mind to agree with them.

barren zephyr
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Even if we are the "vocal" minority, we are the ones that actually gives a fuck and show the effort to create suggestions/give constant feedback. You can't base your game around players that aren't voicing their opinion.

golden iron
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^^

tepid gate
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I don't think more community managers is what's needed for us to know that the developers aren't ignoring the feedback. They might be making an active decision not to respond to it for one reason or another.

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Of course you can't but at the end of the day it's the dev's decision to make a call on whether they will listen to feedback or not. If they assume that the silent majority will prefer something they might just make a choice that might be against what the people on discord voice.

golden iron
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honestly, if they dont read these suggestions, they should let us know and delete these channels. Because why are we wasting our time trying to help make the game better if they dont give a shit

tepid gate
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They do read the suggestions, they just don't implement all of them and they might be ignoring things on purpose when it comes to certain things.

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Do they have a plan due to which they stick to things like Anky? Idk, maybe?

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Or maybe the model was simply done before they've released the concept art(which would've been a very questionable decision but who knows)

vocal ingot
barren zephyr
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They are reading suggestions/feedback for sure. Also, there are times when they are actually listening to the community, so don't make the extreme statement that they are never give a fuck, because that's not true. But yeah, seems like the most hottest issues are not adressed properly.

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I would like to get a respond about animation and model criticism, especially about the exact things we keep saying over and over, but oh well.

vocal ingot
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well again, some of these "hottest" issues are nit picks at best, look at it from the dev side, do they keep going with major updates and changes, or spend more time than its worth adressing small animation issues shrug

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that sounds like post lunch fixes more than it does key development goals

barren zephyr
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I mean, they themself said they don't want to make the same mistake, wich is creating half assed mechanics/and half assed playables and shit. While half the time it's true, the other half time it's not.

tepid gate
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There are different devs that take care of different matters though

golden iron
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they can add as many new things as they want, but if they dont fix the problems they already have its going to kick them in the ass. Its like grabbing a new bowl when you have 20 dishes stacked up in the sink.

tepid gate
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e.g. the models and concept arts aren't done by the people who work on the updates and changes that are coming to the game in the nearest future.

analog ingot
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The devs are aware of their small team too and are trying to find more devs with a high level of game making. Which isn't always easy to find.

tepid gate
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Tbh I don't think that the models not being to people's liking is necessarily an issue that will become a problem for the devs in the long run.

barren zephyr
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Like, for an Example, Carnotaurus is ticked as a finished playable on the roadmap. It is really finished? Juvies have sometimes adult sounds and etc. Ofc it's not the biggest issue, but why can't be implemented as a whole? why we need to have even in evrima "placeholders"? It would be that hard to create that one sound and implement it, and you can finally take a breath and say that is fully done?

tepid gate
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Honestly... i dislike the new cartoonish animals but would I stop playing the game because they aren't as much to my liking as some of the older ones? No, not really.

analog ingot
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I would hate if mods are the things that fix models tbh.. + that wont be in Officials which i will mainly play.

tepid gate
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Even if the whole game contained animals that are... less to my liking aesthetically I would still play it because it's not really a gamebreaker.

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There are far bigger potential gamebreakers than Anky being a rhinodillo or Giga having a crest and head that aren't down my alley in terms of aesthetics.

vocal ingot
barren zephyr
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It's not a bug.

vocal ingot
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"Juvies have sometimes adult sounds" sounds like a bug to me

barren zephyr
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It doesn't have some of the juvie sounds.

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no, it called placeholder.

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They put adult sounds there because the juvie sounds aren't finished.

tepid gate
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Yea, it's not a bug, Ryk is talking about. That's a placeholder

paper geyser
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gotta love unfinished finished updates

tepid gate
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I know exactly which sounds you have in mind and they can be quite confusing at times.

barren zephyr
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While this is a minor issue, it's annoying and can be misleading. I literally turned 180 when I heard a juvie carno being dmg'd because I tought it's adult.

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It's such a minor thing. We are talking about one sound in this case, just implement it in a hotfix, and you can finally say it's done.

analog ingot
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I agree it would be nice if they finished everything so the animal is finally done except for things like nesting mechanic and fractures/trample that we'll get in future.
At the same time I can understand the pressure the devs get for constant new content ppl demand.
But again, placeholders can be dangerous as it stacks over time if they dont finish it.

vocal ingot
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ngl, i dont remember juvie carno sounds being wrong :/

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never noticed it ;D

barren zephyr
tepid gate
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You might've not played it enough. It's definitely noticeable if you stick to it for longer

paper geyser
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i don't play the game enough to remember bugs

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except the audio cutting out, that one i'll never forget

barren zephyr
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same goes for grouping, it's ticked as finished. Yet you don't have kick in the grouping system? I won't mention the bugs that makes grouping system one of the most annoying system to deal with, but how is a grouping system is finished without the most basic option? you know, kick someone out of the group?

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These are all small things, but would love it better if they would actually release a finished mechanic/playables and then there will be only bugfixes on them.

analog ingot
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and the leader role thingy iirc

barren zephyr
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Yeah.

vocal ingot
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which sound for juvie carno is the adult one?

barren zephyr
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pain

vocal ingot
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ahh, thats why i didnt notice KEKW i like never end up hurt

barren zephyr
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Imagine this situation : You are a Utahraptor who's getting hungry, you run around searching for juvies, and there is a juvie carno, but you didn't see it, only hear it. Then it lets out a pain sound (because being dmg-d for some reason) and you turn around and ran away from basically a free meal because you hear the adult carno's pain sound.

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I had 3-4 juvie carnos running around and biting each other in the jungle when they get attacked, so people think there are also adults.

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Again, none of this issues are gamebreaking but kinda goes against the basic mentality behind evrima, wich we were told.

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Legacy also started with " Don't mind hatch/juvies that lets out adult sounds, it's a placeholder. Well, it's still is used as a placeholder there, okay It became irrelevant, but this was told way before the idea of recoding.

vocal ingot
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well from that i heard, issue with legacy was, that the way it was coded made it impossible to implement anything new cuz it would create so many new bugs,

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switching out a .mpg for a new one dosnt seem much like a codeing issue

barren zephyr
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Well, usually they didn't had problem implementing new sounds, and this was way before than the whole recoding got mentioned and/or announced.

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I'm just saying I think it would be way better to actually implement things fully, so you don't have to go back to every half finished mechanics/playables to fill up the missing parts.

noble pine
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Someone put an X on my feedback, are you a...a...a boot licker?!!!?!?!!

proud coral
noble pine
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Kidding kidding

proud coral
noble pine
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People are allowed to have wrong opinions CeraGrin

dense wagon
noble pine
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Kidding x2

nova anchor
dense wagon
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fuzzy?

noble pine
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Fuzzy

nova anchor
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that is how fuzzy be

noble pine
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Fuzzy be

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Fuzzy do

lofty pagoda
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Fuzzy

barren zephyr
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Haast eagle the

noble pine
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No

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No more birds, devs please add presto

cedar pulsar
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who is fuzzy

noble pine
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Fuzzy i guess

nova anchor
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he's fuzzy (his opinion does not matter)

paper geyser
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just give us actual dinosaurs please

proud coral
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I saw Haast

nova anchor
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the eagle?

proud coral
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TI_Champ🦅

nova anchor
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honestly argent would be better for a big bird

proud coral
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HNNNNG I'd love Argent.

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Sadly Quetz takes it's place....

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;-;

cedar pulsar
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I think post update 3 should be majority bug fixes, performance improvement, and tweaks/changes to animations and such before they move into the perks and stuff

proud coral
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Yeah. As much as I want to get update 4 out of the way so we can get to diets, that'd probably be best. :/

noble pine
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How about we don’t add birds

proud coral
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Perks can easily break everything

noble pine
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Stick to lizards, snakes and dinosaurs

nova anchor
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Birds aren't necessary

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but cool regardless

proud coral
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Birds are dinosaurs TI_HurrTI_Troll

cedar pulsar
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they should get the game into the best state it can be in before moving into something as big as perks and fractures

proud coral
noble pine
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But dinosaurs are different than birds

proud coral
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I see birds being more later on when they can add things just because

cedar pulsar
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dinosaurs are birds but not birds at the same time

proud coral
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Unless they really want them

cedar pulsar
nova anchor
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if they did add something like argent it should be waaaaaaay down the line

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same thing with pela

proud coral
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Regardless, I'm sure someone will mod them in.

noble pine
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I just think it’s a waste to add in an actual bird

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Like why

nova anchor
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big bird

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cool

noble pine
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Add more unique pterosaurs

paper geyser
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dlc

nova anchor
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unique pterosaurs would be preferable though, tbh

proud coral
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Yeah, birds can be later on. More the merrier, right? Even if they're not playable by default.

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Like Brachi I guess?

paper geyser
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add irrelevant animals as one big dlc after the full release

nova anchor
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as cool as argent is I'd prefer dsung, tupa, and quetz

noble pine
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More animals is better, but adding in unnecessary things like birds of prey (who aren’t big enough to actually do anything against any mid tiers) is legitimately a waste of space

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Low tiers already have enough issues to deal with, adding in more and more only makes people not want to play them

nova anchor
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jungle haast bad

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if haast is to be added jungle haast would be terrible

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that I agree with

proud coral
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Yeah, I originally liked jungle Haast until I realized the jungle is where you go to get away from fliers.

nova anchor
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which is why argent is better

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can't fit in the jungle

proud coral
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It's nice to see someone like Argent instead of just saying "worse Quetz"

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I mean it's true, but still 😛

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We could make it better

nova anchor
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its not at all a worse quetz

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its not even remotely like quetz

proud coral
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That's pretty much everyone's view on it

nova anchor
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make argent a dive bomber with velocity based damage

proud coral
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I still think it could be given a lil' bit of Isle spice to make it cool.

wintry monolith
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i get adding megalani as its a prehistoric creature and a reptile but haast eagle died out ca year 1400

proud coral
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Spino

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So? What if AE wanted to make it anyways?

nova anchor
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haast has too many problems with being able to function in the jungle

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which is why argent > haast

proud coral
wintry monolith
nova anchor
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what

proud coral
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Haast from what I've seen would be both killed very easily and able to kill very easily.

nova anchor
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what does that have to do with my statement

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haast would be too OP in jungles against low tiers

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which is why argent, which cant fit in the jungles, is a better option

proud coral
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Yes Argent TI_FeelsGoodMan

wintry monolith
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haast had a wingspan close to 3m how tf it gona fly in the jungle

proud coral
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I always pictured Argent being more combat orientated than Quetz. Like Quetz would prefer to fly off whereas Argent could harass smaller things.

nova anchor
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very carefully

proud coral
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I just want a cool bird that's not Pela ;-;

nova anchor
proud coral
barren zephyr
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Im getting a solid 70+ fps

vocal ingot
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depends on the amount of players 😛 i had sit comfortably at 100+ fps, but when everybody is chilling on the utah rock and down the stream it tanked to like 30 KEKW

barren zephyr
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AI is growing on me alot, after that stream showcasing AI rex I'm actaully pretty hyped for it.

Besides that, I'm worried evrima wont have a big enough playerbase to support all the options servers have.

There would be no strain/hypo/cannibal servers, no human servers, no ai servers, only apex AI servers and dyro AI servers. Unless the game blows up after evrima is finished I doubt there would be a big enough playerbase to fill of these servers up.

EDIT: By "no strain/hypo/blahblahblah" I meant that there would be servers removing them, not that there would be no one playing it.

paper oriole
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How tf is someone actually starving as an herbi

steady lintel
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@deft arrow I agree with you there should be more edible plants, but with grazing it should literally be impossible for you to die of starvation, if you do die of starvation you literally let yourself starve

brave rampart
proud coral
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Yeah, there will always be bugs. But the amount and severity of bugs if they were to just rush the update would be phenomenally worse than if they were to take their time like they are.

still raptor
brave rampart
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Lmao

proud coral
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There's never an in-between. They take their time, updates are too slow. They hurry up, there are too many bugs.

worn pumice
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Yk what yes let’s just release the update

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Who needs a working dino when u got an update on the way

proud coral
worn pumice
proud coral
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I just want to get update 3 out of the way so we can get 4 out of the way

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Then we get to 5 TI_Champ

worn pumice
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Wonder if update 5 will even release this year

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I rly hope they hire more and more devs as time goes on

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13 or however many they have is quite small tbh

proud coral
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I'm sure it'll release this year. Update 3 is taking longer because of Deino and Ptera not only being base mechanic creatures, but having complex locomotion. Hopefully update 4 doesn't take too long since it's mainly just mechanics which usually seem to take less time than dinos, which 4 only has one of.

worn pumice
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Am I the only one hype for a new UI

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Lol

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I been staring at this same green UI for so long

brave rampart
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I cant wait for the new UI

proud coral
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I'm excited for it mainly for the new functionality it will offer. And yeah, current UI is kind of....eh. It's not bad

brave rampart
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I want a primal/Modern kind of uI

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UI

proud coral
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A long time ago, Dondi talked about how spawning in vs. nesting in would have pros and cons. Spawning in made you trackable by mercs, but you got access to the detailed character screen. Whereas being nested in made you untrackable, but your character screen was more "natural" basically. My guess is instead of seeing exact stats, you'd just get the "feel" of a stat. So you'd see you're getting hungry, but you can't see the percentage for example.

I'm hoping if that's still planned that they make the UI more modern (similar to current UI) for spawned in dinos, and more primitive for nested dinos.

proud coral
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Dryo AI is bugged right now to where it attacks pretty much anything.

noble pine
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Continuing what I said before....

paper oriole
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Carnivore dryo returns from the depths of hell

proud coral
severe idol
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That was months ago. The model may be finalized by now. lol

noble pine
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Concept: “Let us know what you think!”
uproar
Model: “let us know what you think”
uproar
Devs: lol it’s fine

mental sleet
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Uproar ? That's funny.

noble pine
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It isn’t actually lmao

paper oriole
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Devs probably: see like two people defending new anky “hey they community loves it!”

noble pine
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The anky concept was criticized to hell, yet, nothing changed from concept to model.

vocal ingot
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MonkaHmm its wierd, either i am blind or people are complaning about very minor things

mental sleet
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They removed the stupid hole in the back that it had on the concept what are you on about ?

vocal ingot
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whats wrong with it?

noble pine
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No they didn’t, it’s still there.

brave rampart
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Actually some things changed

They removed the dent

paper oriole
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Its back is still caved in like a boulder landed on it TI_Wheeze

mental sleet
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They did remove the dent but Solitary can't see it.

severe idol
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I thought it was fine. 🤷 The dent was fixed, otherwise it looks neat.

noble pine
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A lot of people would disagree with you David.

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I’m not the only one.

paper oriole
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Softshell anky

severe idol
mental sleet
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You can't disagree with something which is either true, or false.

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The dent is gone, or it isn't, and I can tell you, the dent is gone.

noble pine
steady lintel
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Got ya there

noble pine
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Almost like they tried to hide it.

severe idol
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Do we have any other rotations of it?

vocal ingot
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probs old image

noble pine
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No.

mental sleet
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We only have this angle, so I call bs on Solitary.

noble pine
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Your calling bs when I just proved it.

severe idol
mental sleet
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Minmi.

icy lion
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thats minmi

noble pine
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That’s minmi TI_What

severe idol
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Is it?

noble pine
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Yes

steady lintel
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Yes

paper oriole
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You can literally see the raised plate where the dent is LOL

brave rampart
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Tbf that could be anything
Its zoomed in
We need a better angle to be sure

severe idol
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I thought it was the baby anky thing.

noble pine
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It’s zoomed in so you can see it

severe idol
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We need a better angle on it, I think.

paper oriole
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Minmi has a good back, the difference is very clear

steady lintel
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Minmi model pretty solid

severe idol
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I saw it with the other babies, I thought it was a baby, I'm sorry.

mental sleet
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No, it's a baby, but not an anky baby

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Probably a minmi baby.

paper oriole
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He doesnt have the club tho

noble pine
icy lion
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all good, lots of people thought it was anky

paper oriole
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Wish anky had minmi's round sexy back

brave rampart
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TI_Think actually that might be the dent

Oh well

noble pine
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It is the dent.

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There’s nothing else that would be

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I’m telling you they tried to hide it.

mental sleet
brave rampart
#

Ok

proud coral
#

I don't know about them trying to hide it. But I agree it's still kind of there.

severe idol
#

So we've got a Carnivore bias theory and a "They hid the dent" theory. This community is getting some good ones lately.

paper oriole
#

They could hide it by modifying that bit on its fucked up armadillo armour to not look like he got hit by a boulder

brave rampart
mental sleet
#

We didn't even bring up the fact that Punch's statements are roughly 4 months apart.

severe idol
#

I will now, without irony, refer to it as "#NoCurve"

mental sleet
#

But today's certainly interesting.

icy lion
#

pretty much all the models weve seen have been at that angle, like, almost exactly. i personally see the dip a little but theres no need for this "they tried to hide it" stuff

noble pine
vocal ingot
#

did someone release a video rant thing about the isle or something ThinkPaint so many animation and modeling experts on today

icy lion
#

oh you missed that lol

proud coral
#

There was a guy with 50 alt accounts claiming the devs had carnivore bias earlier 😛

paper oriole
#

Dont need to be a chef to know the food is bad

icy lion
#

punch was discussing diets a little in isle discussion, some guy took that personally

proud coral
#

Sigh diets....TI_Succ

severe idol
#

@crystal trail
Can you confirm if this Anky has a dent or not? It seems to be a contended topic.

steady lintel
#

He @ him oml

vocal ingot
#

#CarnoGate

steady lintel
#

Let goo

paper oriole
#

Ah shid

proud coral
#

It's alright to ping Punch TI_Frown

brave rampart
#

Lmao

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Saoul pings all the devs

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Deletes the message

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And blames someone for pinging

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That would be the best "fuck you" moment in Islecord history

noble pine
#

I just don’t understand, you can clearly see the dent over the first plate. This shouldn’t even be something that had to be argued

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I gave you the proof

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And yet we still can’t agree

brave rampart
#

I just said that might be the dent

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What's odd is that you're assuming that they're hiding it

noble pine
#

If they fixed it, you wouldn’t see it

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It’s that simple to understand

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Especially in a neutral pose.

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It’s a bold assumption, but it seems very odd to position it this way.

vocal ingot
#

well ngl, i assumed saoul knew some hidden insider stuff, but he seems to not be sure either KEKW thought the devs might have updated it and just not posted a pic yet.

icy lion
#

you say that, but every baby model was also facing that exact same angle

severe idol
#

Admin aren't told anything special. I DO know stuff, but not about models.

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We all signed the same NDA.

brave rampart
#

Yes

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Ovis baby model was facing in a 3/4 dimension

severe idol
#

I've actually gotten in trouble about telling you guys stuff before, so I'm pretty careful to not do that these days. lol

brave rampart
#

They're hiding its tail I tell you!

icy lion
#

like, saoul posted the minmi baby, its literally the same angle

noble pine
vocal ingot
#

not really, that angle is a very common angle to show off in a single picture or everything in 2

noble pine
#

As a first look, it’s not a good angle to show any model.

icy lion
#

3/4ths is a very, very common angle in art

vocal ingot
#

shows the most amount of stuff

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in the least pictures

analog ingot
#

I wish we got side-view and front view like other game revleas usually are oh well

noble pine
#

^

vocal ingot
#

cuz nobody appreciates scrolling though like 10 head on picutres

tepid gate
#

Let's give it a moment, perhaps Punch can explain whether the goddamn dent is there or not. I agree that it kind of looks like it's still there(although I didn't notice it myself until people pointed it out)

noble pine
#

We get such limited stuff, we barely get more than 1-2 looks at a new creatures design in concepts or for a new model

steady lintel
#

He not on

brave rampart
#

We dont need a fuckin medical examination

icy lion
#

hes probably asleep tbh

proud coral
#

I mean as long as Anky plays well, I'm happy with it. But I agree it could use some tweaks.

brave rampart
#

It's fine the way they showcase the models

vocal ingot
#

if u want to see the other side of the dino just mirror the image KEKW

tepid gate
#

Yea he might respond tomorrow or something but still let's wait for some more concrete info. Punch is indeed very likely asleep since it's like 3AM where he lives.

noble pine
icy lion
#

but the conspiracy theories are absolutely baseless, the baby hypsi model from last year is using the same angle #phase-two-archive message

brave rampart
#

^

icy lion
#

all the animation videos too

noble pine
icy lion
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all of them

brave rampart
#

It showcases most of the model

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And keyword

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most

icy lion
#

yes i agree we should get more angles and whatnot but coming out swinging that the anky pic is a conspiracy?

noble pine
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Because it makes things look terrible. Example A. Alberto.

vocal ingot
#

3/4 is super common

noble pine
#

I said it was a bold assumption, I didn’t say it was true

brave rampart
#

Alberto.. didnt get a 3/4. Did it?

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I was sure it was a sideview

noble pine
#

What the fuck are you on about.

icy lion
#

its much easier to have variation between two drawings. models you rotate. and alberto didnt, only acro

tepid gate
#

Concept art of Alberto has a 3/4 view

noble pine
#

I’m asking for MORE ANGLES

brave rampart
tepid gate
#

Acro has 3/4 and a profile view

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the profile looks like hotgarbage, the 3/4 looks quite ok

noble pine
#

It would be easier to judge something if we had more than 1-2 views of a model.

icy lion
#

i agree

analog ingot
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agree

noble pine
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That’s what I’m saying

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Idc about the 3/4 angle

tepid gate
#

Well... it would be easier to judge it even if we had 2 views, like with Acro.

noble pine
#

I Said it was a bold assumption which means it was just an assumption

tepid gate
#

I remember seeing the profile view of it which was shown first and that was... bad, the 3/4 view had helped tremendously.

noble pine
#

2 well positioned views would be TI_Perfect

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But on creature concept art, it’s very hard to properly criticize something when you can only see certain things based on how it’s posed or how it’s angled.

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That’s what I’m getting at.

proud coral
#

That's a fair point

noble pine
#

Again, Alberto is hurt by the odd action pose it’s in

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Making its neck look massive

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And it’s head look extremely odd as well

tepid gate
#

Mayhaps, who knows, I think Alberto's proportions are simply messed up in general but perhaps you're right

icy lion
#

what i wouldnt give for a trace of a skeletal then going hog wild on soft tissue with some small liberties here and there

noble pine
#

The neck skin is just too much, it needs to be cut back and the head needs to be up more on the neck

cedar pulsar
worn pumice
#

hey wth i can see these on the street

left nacelle
#

@snow meadow That would be cool, but I don't think that's possible for the same reason you can't have multiple animals dragging one body

left nacelle
#

@primal drum Sandbox is planned, but it won't be added any time soon. It's not a priority

safe galleon
#

@primal drum wrong channel and we don't know when

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but as bluebird said it is not a priority so not soon

primal drum
#

sorry, thanks for the answers, I'm waiting for the sandbox to be added to learn a new combat game TI_Succ

tepid gate
tepid gate
sonic cloud
#

@noble pine do you have proof or evidence that Alberto and Acro are being tweaked?

tepid gate
#

Wendigo said that he saw someone mention it and he was supposed to dig for evidence but idk if he's managed to find what he thought he's seen.

zinc anvil
#

Survival should be the game mode that’s priority over sandbox as the games sold on steam as a survival game.

vestal rune
#

well I mean since in sandbox you have to maintain your hunger, thirst and health it is still technically survival

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just a more casual version

zinc anvil
#

But the aim of this game is to make a survival game mode first sandbox can just come later

tepid gate
#

There's very little survival in the current survival in Evrima

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It's just a glorified sandbox/deathmatch(with one extra step) so I don't see any reason why the game would prioritise it over sandbox

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TI started off with sandbox as the go-to game mode and it was the right approach when the game doesn't have enough to offer to the players in its early stages

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Also between me saying that and getting back to this discussion - that's another dinosaur lost to servers randomly dropping people whenever they feel like doing so. This adds up to 10 hours of growth lost within the last ~2 weeks or so due to those drops, which is another reason to make sandbox the go-to game mode until the stability of the game is where it should be.

vocal ingot
hybrid matrix
tepid gate
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I don't mind dying to people why I grow, that's not the issue. The game currently is a glorified chatroom/deathmatch anyways.

vocal ingot
#

Considering I am yet to die in evrima nah

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It's a jungle hiding and getting away from most things is piss easy

tepid gate
#

I'm sorry but it's really hard to take your opinion seriously if you have such a small playtime.

vocal ingot
#

40 = small playtime PogO ok

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

It is, 40 hours is nothing

hybrid matrix
#

i have over 1K

vocal ingot
#

Ye in legacy PogO

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Probs on a shitty sandbox chat room server

hybrid matrix
#

nope, almost all of them were on a survival server

tepid gate
#

I've spent 1/4th of your entire playtime on dinosaurs that I've lost just to dcs over the last 2 weeks.

hybrid matrix
#

i started playing almost a whole year ago

vocal ingot
#

Also u know if u are going to be petty

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Children shouldn't give their opinions

tepid gate
#

The point is that you simply do not have the perspective after playing for 40 hours

hybrid matrix
#

and we're the adults in this discussion bc we kno wut we're talking about

vocal ingot
#

Not really, children in general don't have any idea what they are talking about

tepid gate
#

After 40 hours of playing the chance that you've seen the actual issues with Evrima being a survival are slim. Hell after 40 hours in it I thought it was neat that it was survival as well.

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

How many dinosaurs have you lost to servers dropping people? How many dinosaurs have you lost to water bugging out and dropping you to the bottom of a lake/river?

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How many animals have you lost to Utah's pounce getting you stuck?

hybrid matrix
#

honestly its kind of hard to spot the bugs unless u have like 70 hours on evrima

tepid gate
#

Do you see where I'm coming from?

vocal ingot
#

^ all of these happened in legacy for me, evrima runs super solid

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

Utah doesn't have pounce in the legacy, I'm speaking about Evrima specific problems

vocal ingot
#

And again, I prefere that over a glorified dino chatroom KEKW

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Hence why I bought jt

tepid gate
#

Atm evrima is a glorified sandbox with a compulsory growth time.

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Surviving nets you nothing

vocal ingot
#

This is why I dont like talking to children

hybrid matrix
#

sigh

lofty pagoda
#

ok

zinc anvil
#

Alright so say they give you sandbox all you’ll be doing is running to the same spot to kill the guy that just killed you only now you’ll be an adult. Not to mention with the current performance problems you really think a sandbox would be any better?

tepid gate
#

Yes, it would

vocal ingot
#

U don't seem to understand the very basic concept that even like a requirement of 20 min growth time would make people more conservative in their play style.

tepid gate
#

you wouldn't be losing hours upon hours to grow the same dinosaurs over

vocal ingot
#

I am not there for a death match or a chat room

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

Let me just make something clear - I'm quite a patient person, I can take losing my dinosaur to a random drop from a server once or twice

vocal ingot
#

Nah fam, I got everything I need right here

tepid gate
#

Most of the people that I know would quit the game if this happened to them more than once though

vocal ingot
#

U can go back to legacy KEKW

hybrid matrix
#

its impossible to talk to someone who has my exact personality irl
only thing i can think to say is cya bitch

tepid gate
#

The first 5 apexes that I've grown I was very careful with in the legacy. After you lose like 10 or 15 of them it changes your perspective and you do not care all that much.

vocal ingot
#

Yes it does KEKW bored 1k hour players will sucide into things even if you have 10 hour growth time

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How is that suppose to detract from the fact most players don't have 1k hours

hybrid matrix
vocal ingot
#

And generally the game style will be more conservative

tepid gate
#

Yeah, you want to have a challenge. Back in the day when I saw a pack of Rexes as a Giga I would get the hell out. Now I try to kill as many as I can before they kill me.

vocal ingot
#

Jesus ur playstyle is triggering

tepid gate
#

Idk about the time of the most players, the point is that issues like these detract from Evrima quite heavily and the fact that you have a time-requirement before your dinosaur reaches its full potential makes it worse.

hybrid matrix
#

wait rexes as a giga? i didnt have legacy long enough to do that
rlly i just stay away from rexes as a giga bc im not good at getting around them

zinc anvil
hybrid matrix
#

speaking of which

tepid gate
#

Imagine you're playing the game for the first time - you're growing a Stego, you've spent 5h to get to full adult. Now you're swimming across a river and the water bugs you - you drop onto the bottom of it for a split second and it kills 300 minutes of your time. Do you see how that is a big problem for a new player?

vocal ingot
zinc anvil
#

The only thing is you are playing a opt in large work in progress game.

tepid gate
#

I think survival is much better than sandbox

vocal ingot
#

It's pointless

tepid gate
#

As the main mode for the game

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

Evrima simply isn't ready as a survival game right now.

#

Sandbox should be implemented asap for a number of different reasons.

zinc anvil
tepid gate
#

One of them being the fact that people with their own private servers get to practice freely while the new players who just get into the game have to find everything out on their own.

vocal ingot
tepid gate
#

And I'm fine with them happening, Syn

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I'm merely suggesting that there are ways to make them less... painful in a long run

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e.g. you can make dinosaurs disappear when someone dcs from the game

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this solves the issue of people being dropped from servers

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alternatively you can make the servers drop everyone

vocal ingot
hybrid matrix
#

@vocal ingot i want you to come up with more than one reason why sandbox is a bad idea. These ideas cannot include anything that is disrespectful towards us

vocal ingot
#

Nooce

tepid gate
#

instead of dropping random parts of the playerbase

#

Combatlogging was in Evrima in the very initial stage of it, I've experienced people combatlogging on me like 3-4 times altogether during that time

zinc anvil
tepid gate
#

It wasn't a big issue

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Besides - back then if someone combatlogged on you that was a big issue

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you were very likely going to starve due to that

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atm... what do you lose when someone combatlogs on you?

vocal ingot
tepid gate
#

I can survive just fine in the game on an empty server without interacting with a singleplayer while I'm on 1hp

paper geyser
#

you paid for a wip survival game and you got a wip survival game, sandbox really isn't as bad as you make it seem

tepid gate
#

There are pretty much no downsides to introducing sandbox into the game, it both allows people to look for bugs better as well as making the playing field more equal

#

Are you aware that a Carno can hit the Stego on its tail without getting hit back by the Stego?

zinc anvil
#

I’m not saying sandbox mode is bad I’m saying right now they don’t have the time to just make a game mode that’s not going to be a main game mode that the game is selling itself as.

vocal ingot
#

^this

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sandbox is a waste of time

tepid gate
#

You can kill a 5h dinosaur with it being unable to fight back against you. Stuff like this can be tested on sandbox servers, meanwhile in the real game you have to actually find the correct circumstances to test that.

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

Eh, you can learn the game just fine on survival

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but you have to actually play it

#

and 40h in TI in general is nothing

vocal ingot
#

git gud

tepid gate
#

Anyone can keep a dino alive just fine in Evrima, surviving is really easy as long as you actually try to survive

hybrid matrix
#

without it, finding bugs is almost always going to cost u ur dino

vocal ingot
#

sure boy ;D

tepid gate
#

Not necessarily but yea certain bugs are problematic to find without sandbox

hybrid matrix
# vocal ingot sure boy ;D

hey maybe you should try growing a carno next. OR better yet, a stego. Then you can tell me wut i can and cant do

tepid gate
#

E.g. I've lost two utahs in a row by getting stuck mid-air after pouncing. I had a hypothesis as to what was causing that but I wasn't going to grow another Utah to test it

vocal ingot
zinc anvil
#

@vocal ingot @hybrid matrix will you 2 stop trying to fight with each other and have a conversation with each other thanks.

vocal ingot
hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

Ugh, well that depends, personally I hope that when sandbox comes it will allow us to decide at what stage of growth we're going to be spawning in

paper geyser
#

"he started it" please just act like adults

tepid gate
#

No, I brought it up ddman, I'm sorry but it's really clear that you haven't played the game that much

#

as you've said - you haven't experienced any of the issues I spoke about

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

I've seen them multiple times

zinc anvil
#

Bugs could pop up in only one game mode also making it 2 times the amount of work.

vocal ingot
tepid gate
#

So you've had an instance where your stego dropped onto the bottom of a river... but you survived that?

hybrid matrix
vocal ingot
#

nah i havent played a stego in the first place, too slow of a dino

#

i dont enjoy the big slow ones

tepid gate
#

You've survived getting stuck in the middle of the fight due Utah pouncing you/after you pounced someone with it?

#

I mean, I don't enjoy them either

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

I've still had 2 stegos in Evrima till now

#

To test things out and to see how it actually does

vocal ingot
#

same as there is a bug sometime ur keys stop responding

#

biteing

#

fixes that for me

tepid gate
#

that's the input lock

#

it happens after eating, yes biting fixes that

#

that's different to the one I'm talking about

#

you can't bite when you're mid-air as a Utah

vocal ingot
#

and again, those issues wont really be resolved by you playing on sandbox

vocal ingot
tepid gate
#

They can be tested on sandbox so as to find out how to cause them and what triggers them

hybrid matrix
#

i played stego once and then died to my teammate who wouldnt stop standing on top of me when he swung his tail. when i die its bc i choose to or bc my teammate is an idiot or i get ambushed

tepid gate
#

I think that the pounce bug might have something to do with the location where you perform it

vocal ingot
#

Pepega they have their own internal sandbox server and a team of QA's

tepid gate
#

Good thing that they do

vocal ingot
#

why would they need more than to know a bug is there

paper geyser
#

you're missing the point

tepid gate
#

It's not about knowing that a bug is there

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it's about finding out what causes it

paper geyser
#

Aken suggests that sandbox be implemented so that players can know about the bug and how to deal with it without needing to waste several hours of their lives (i think)

tepid gate
#

This bug has been in Evrima since ~September

#

That too but it's mainly so that I can say to the QA - hey if you pounce like this it makes you stuck in the air

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then they can check it on their servers and see if the bug is still present in the new version of the game

paper geyser
#

dual functionality, perfect

vocal ingot
paper geyser
#

well having sandbox in right away would certainly help in the future

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

I think they should focus on sandbox for a number of reasons

paper geyser
#

whereas bug solving (for all updates) will takes years at the minimum

haughty cliff
#

ngl i'd really like sandbox. the growth timers atm are way too long for me, I just don't have the irl time to spend to learn a dino before dying, esp. when ex. utah doesn't have pounce until 100%

vocal ingot
#

like synergy pointed out, there could be different bugs between the two

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and sandbox dosnt allow u to find all the bugs

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like i specified if sandbox was the only mode

tepid gate
#

It allows you to find more bugs than you can in survival

vocal ingot
#

we wouldnt know about carnos juvie missing sounds

tepid gate
#

We would actually

hybrid matrix
#

bc

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sandbox

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doesnt mean

tepid gate
#

because the devs are aware of it - the juvie sounds were simply not implemented, they are not ready

hybrid matrix
#

that ur always gonna spawn as a fully grown dinosaur

tepid gate
#

^ that too

hybrid matrix
#

just like sandbox in legacy

#

u can be a hatchling dryo

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just bc its sandbox

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does not mean that ur always a full adult

haughty cliff
#

maybe they can add sandbox when nesting comes; there always seems to be a lot more nesting on sandbox servers

vocal ingot
#

like i said, i am not even against sandbox being in the game, i just think its a stupid idea to put it in when they are currently working on developing suvival

tepid gate
#

My point about bugs was more so along the line of - the game was not ready to be released as a survival game back in June last year, it should've been a sandbox

vocal ingot
#

and there is like 6 dinos i think

lilac swallow
#

A sandbox with a grow slider

tepid gate
#

it is a survival right now though so there's little point in axing this game mode(even more so since that is meant to be the main game mode in the game overall). Sandbox is more important than... just about any other addition that could be made to this game at this point though.

hybrid matrix
vocal ingot
#

and everybody i know takes a piss out of it for being a glorified chat room

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with dinos in it

tepid gate
#

Dw. legacy can be a glorified chat room just fine, I hope Evrima doesn't turn out that way

lilac swallow
#

"Everybody i know" is such a weak argument

tepid gate
#

I mean, he does have a point

hybrid matrix
#

but its a different game

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with only 1 dev

lilac swallow
#

He does but the argument is weak

vocal ingot
#

well not really, its a perfect reason for explaining what i bought -.-

tepid gate
#

I just don't think that sandbox should be used as a glorified chatroom, that's not how I'd ever used it

hybrid matrix
#

i think

#

pot is the one with the ex dev right?

tepid gate
#

Yea, that's the one

vocal ingot
#

ye, has alot of dinos, like ALOT and is very pretty

hybrid matrix
#

yeah idky ppl use sandbox as a chatroom when its perfect for combat

tepid gate
#

I mainly use sandbox to test things and to practice specific match ups, I sometimes find bugs/unintended features that way too

vocal ingot
#

=.= death match is in the same level of hell as a glorified chatroom in my book

hybrid matrix
lilac swallow
#

I really need sandbox to practice combat

tepid gate
#

^

lilac swallow
#

I have no time to Risk diying to test shit

vocal ingot
#

sigh, u know thats impossible right 😐

#

cuz the playstyle on a sandbox is also different

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cuz of the lack of risks

lilac swallow
#

Better than diying because i literally dont know how attacks works

hybrid matrix
#

ive hardly played utahraptor, i would like to have sandbox so that i can practice combat as a utahraptor without risking those 90 minutes

vocal ingot
#

-.-

#

wow

#

90 minutes

lilac swallow
#

I like to practice pounce and know how It works before getting 90 minutes trashed in a second

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Againg

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I have a live

tepid gate
#

Currently there are private servers on which people meet up to practice things, those people have by default an enormous advantage over the rest of the community due to having access to "sandbox"

hybrid matrix
# vocal ingot 90 minutes

i have a very busy schedule, 90 minutes that could be spent editing a video or doing work were spent on a utahraptor that then got trashed in 2 seconds

rocky aspen
#

Not all of us have 90 minutes to dick around for nothing.

lilac swallow
#

I cant Risk 90 mins with a a 80% fail rate because i dont even know how an attack works

hybrid matrix
#

btw

#

pounce works better if ur not moving when u do the attack

#

at least in my experience

tepid gate
#

Utah isn't even that bad, try to grow a Stego just to find out that a Carno can bite the tip of your tail without you being able to hit it back

rocky aspen
#

I think the growth times should be decreased for a little bit.

#

Tbh.

tepid gate
#

I'm fine with them the way they are now

lilac swallow
#

I wouldnt mind tbh

hybrid matrix
rocky aspen
#

Id like it like that till things are polished and not broken. So I don’t die after wasting 90 minutes of time just to unlock Utah pounce then die from a pack of 5 carnos

tepid gate
#

Yeh, that's also a bit meh. Although I haven't had much problem against Carnos as a Tenonto unless they had a large numerical advantage.

rocky aspen
#

Carlos

#

:))

#

Do you guys randomly get like 30 frames after having 60 otherwise for no apparent reason

#

🤔

tepid gate
#

There are certain areas of the map where the fps drops like a rock thrown down a hill

hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

I'm not sure why that is but it's legitimately - walk 5 steps to the left and you go down 40fps from your normal value, get back to the right and it's back to normal.

rocky aspen
rocky aspen
hybrid matrix
tepid gate
#

The swamps are an area where the FPS drops quite typically but that's I think caused by the swamp itself and the fact that there's a lot of people in that area and a lot of bodies.

#

What you're describing right now is not something I'm familiar with

rocky aspen
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I do have a legitimate gaming oc and my graphics can average around 50 frames on decently good graphics.

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Even so it’ll randomly drop after being just fine at 60 frames even if I’m not moving.

lilac swallow
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@hybrid matrix regarding your suggestion, i think the slider should be IN the customization screen, not after, this way i can watch how the skin changes as It ages while i can still change the skin

rocky aspen
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it’s likely due to bodies and player counts nearby.

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Dino customization is whack.

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Not very realistic but hey, this is the isle so it doesn’t matter.

tepid gate
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@zinc anvil Btw Syn, I appreciate your statement that they simply do not have the time to work on sandbox right now, it is a fair argument. I just hope that it gets onto the radar of the devs asap because there's a plethora of things it's needed for.

vocal ingot
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@left nacelle ;D i see you are bingeing it aswell, but ye i agree gives a nice feedback on the attack

wanton hull
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I remember downloading a mod for skyrim that added this effect. It was a very good mod that really enhanced the combat in the game.

solar salmon
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@left nacelle YES PLEASE

paper geyser
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present in monster hunter games too iirc, really useful as an alternative to hitmarkers or audio cues

left nacelle
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Yeah its mainly a thing in combat games like Smash Bros, Monster Hunter, Dauntless etc

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It's kind of a staple in combat games now that I think about it

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Also @solid raptor that's a known issue, it isn't just you

solid raptor
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@left nacelle Thank You

left nacelle
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Np TI_TenontoLove

severe sequoia
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@left nacelle it’s called hitstop

left nacelle
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Gotcha! Thanks

elder rivet
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imo they should add supremus cama, if they do add supremus cama then that growth time is too little

vocal ingot
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Is it though? Idk I don't like growth time being a balancing mechanic, makeing some Dino's take longer to make people play more conservative is fine but stego for example is just too much for me :/. Past the point of like 3 hours it just becomes an exercise in patience. Hence why I don't really play big Dino's ;D. They are slow to play and grow.

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Like what's the end goal/post here. This line of thinking might just lead us to 2 day growth time zill KEKW

elder rivet
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Supremus would just wreck any apex and has an extremely large amount of HP

naive echo
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Depends on the growth. It can be made so an animal grows really quickly through its earlier stages but slows down once it hits adolescents. I don't think that's so bad.

dire ridge
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@south swallow Deino isn't out or finished yet. Wait to have the thing in the public branch before making such feedback

elder rivet
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I wish i could get that gif but i can't find it when searching

vocal ingot
zinc anvil
vocal ingot
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@south swallow u know it isnt out yet 😛 right?

tepid gate
vocal ingot
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well u can agree to disagree and move on. 🙂

tepid gate
vocal ingot
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running joke in HOI4 community is that steam hours are pointless cuz 70% of them are spent connecting or looking for games.

cyan flame
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It's not the hours, it's the experience, that matters mostly.

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Which granted, generally means you need a certain amount of play time to get all of the said experiences, especially if you're lucky.

tepid gate
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Ehhh, I haven't stated how many hours I've spent in Evrima or how many hours I have in TI in general. What I can say however is that I've spent more time playing the dinosaurs I have 0 interest in(Stego, Dryo and Hypsi) than you've spent in the game altogether. The point is that you simply didn't get to experience enough in Evrima to be able to form an opinion about certain issues present in it just due to the fact that you haven't encountered them.

vocal ingot
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and ur basing that off steam hours KEKW

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my point

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stands

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steam hours

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mean jack

zinc anvil
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stop trying to flame bait an argument

cyan flame
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So, measure experience, not steam hours then, simple.

steady lintel
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The lack of dinos would prob kill any sandbox servers rn maybe during update 5 or 6 it would work best

cyan flame
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No it wouldn't. People would happily play there even with only utah and tenno.

tepid gate
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It's like... there are some people with more hours than you and just as much "experience" but just the very fact that you're yet to die in Evrima kind of implies that you haven't played it enough.

vocal ingot
tepid gate
cyan flame
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The point of sandbox is that it mitigates a lot of the current games issues + adds bonuses in the form of practice, bugtesting, and generally letting people enjoy Evrima a little easier, which could be used as of right now.

vocal ingot
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@tepid gate i am a super conservative player, the fuck do u expect, hence why i think a deathmatch sandbox server is crap

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and why i didnt die yet

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i only take a fight i know i can win, hence why i havent even fought a stego yet

tepid gate
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That's fine, you don't have to play there but certain things can only be learn through practice

steady lintel
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Conservative player ?

cyan flame
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You know dd, I'd agree with you, I'm very much a survival player, but I still think sandbox is great for testing, practice, and generally messing around when I'm in the mood to just kill stuff.

cyan flame
vocal ingot
tepid gate
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Well this is the difference between us, back in the day I'd also only pick fights I knew I would win. Nowadays I don't find it fun to torment players that can't fight back against me. I haven't killed a young Stego or Tenonto in ages because they just do not pose a threat and aren't fun to hunt.

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Well I have killed one young stego yesterday but it literally asked me to, in normal circumstances I do not touch those that can't fight back against me

cyan flame
worn pumice
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Sandbox would rly be helpful especially testing balance between dinos since yk u dont have to grow 5 hours to test something

lilac swallow
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And tbh i dont think sandbox is that time consuming to develop

tepid gate
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I'd say they should try to squeeze it in in some update on the roadmap, at least in some barebones form

worn pumice
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even just a test map with all the dinos avalible as a playable would help a lot as we can test certain mechanics w/o the fear of losing hours of progress

tepid gate
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that + you can actually practice PvP without getting yourself a private server like some people do nowadays

worn pumice
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yes

tepid gate
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which puts the rest of the community at a big disadvantage

candid fiber
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@echo bridge While I agree in principle the current weakness of Stego kind of fits the ecosystem right now, so they might want to buff it later. However, shifting a few stats might actually allow for a better but not untouchable Stego: Key is the other idea of making Utahraptor pounce bleed based. This would allow for a strong Stego still able to be hunted by Utah packs (they get oneshot anyway) but too powerful for Carnos to mess with. Which might kind of result in a Rock-Paper-Scissors dynamic between those species as well.

tepid gate
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the thing with the Stego's tail being bitten by Carno with Stego being unable to do anything about it? Some people knew about it quite some time before discord started talking about this issue

lilac swallow
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I still didnt know

candid fiber
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The other points, mostly.

worn pumice
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i would rather push stego to 6 hours to make a better overall dino

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stegos dmg number r only about 1100-1300 which might seem good but for such a large animal seems kind of weak

candid fiber
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The tail biting thing reeks "bug" and should be fixed. probably just by making the Thagomizer not taking any damage.

echo bridge
cyan flame
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If deino gets to be fully powered, then so should stego

worn pumice
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remember that stego can't run from a rex and probably not even a spino but we don't know the speeds of that

echo bridge
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My suggestion didnt really go much farther than small adjustments past fixing the hitbox issue and adjusting stats tho, so I think we stand on the same grounds

worn pumice
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so if it cant defend itself no one will play it

candid fiber
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Deinosuchus is probably the only predator Stego can actually run from though.

worn pumice
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i mean stego is pretty slow but we don't know the actual numbers

echo bridge
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if you are capable of fighting off large carnivores that are around Deinosuchus's size with the same weapons, then you should be able to fight the slow and immobile Crocodile

tepid gate
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@worn pumice Spinosaurus runs at the speed of 32.4km/h with its base running animation in Evrima. I think this estimate was made by Bryan but I've only have this info from third hand, so yes it is indeed faster than Stego's 26.4km/h.

echo bridge
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since Stego probably has to fight the other 3 to survive

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it should be able to fight a Deinosuchus on land

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stab an overly brazen one to death

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but because its attack keeps it rooted in one spot

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deinosuchus can just tank it

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and rip you apart

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because the damage is so low

candid fiber
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I heavily expect all the apexes to be faster than Stego. Maybe not very enduring but fast enough to close the gap.

echo bridge
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if it cant 1 shot a carno with a head hit

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deinosuchus wont care about a stego fighting back

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and if stego cant handle the slow and non-mobile deinosuchus on solid ground, it will die without challenge to the apex trio

worn pumice
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the devs said that stego isn't an apex

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but you kinda need to make it one

echo bridge
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so its either a damage buff or a speed buff

worn pumice
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otherwise its not gonna end well

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speed buff lmao

cyan flame
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Run stego run! :p

echo bridge
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and a stego running faster than it already does

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is a meme

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so

worn pumice
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lol

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oh man

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its gonna be the galloping sarco but in the isle

tepid gate
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@worn pumice I personally wouldn't worry about Spinosaurus and Giga too much right now(honestly I wouldn't worry about Rex either). These boys aren't coming to Evrima anytime soon.

cyan flame
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I would like stego as apex, simply cause it fights differently, which would be nice, compared to most of the other potential herbi apexes that are more "head on" in their style. And anky.. well, no idea what's gonna happen with that poor critter :p

tepid gate
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The game will be very much different by the time they're in

echo bridge
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  • Fix the hurtbox issues on Stegosaurus’ tail (Known Issue)
  • Increase the damage and bleed damage of the tail swing attack to allow Stegosaurus to properly endanger its aggressors
  • Increase bleed damage across the attacks that cause it enough so it actually becomes dangerous and important in combat in Evrima
    (- Potentially add a new tail attack that Stegosaurus can do whilst moving so it can keep pursuers at bay OR a tail attack that does a fast and large sweep arc on one side of the Stegos body that can hit multiple opponents so you can catch an overly brazen approach )
worn pumice
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honestly why use stenops stego when we can use ungulatus

tepid gate
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Our Stego is actually ungulatus-sized

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from what I've been told by Dr.Nova

candid fiber
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They could probably up the damage right now without upsetting the balance too much.

echo bridge
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just make stego's tail do 2000N

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enough to 1 shot carno on body and head hits

worn pumice
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its ungulatus sized becuz they made it the max stenops

echo bridge
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but still not too much

worn pumice
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but if they made it the max ungulatus it would get bigger

cyan flame
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Up damage, up health maybe?

worn pumice
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refrence

echo bridge
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low health is part of stegos intended weaknesses, especially since it rewards good hunters from landing head hits

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as its smaller than the true large herbivore tanks

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it accounts for that by being an AoE damage machine with respectable speed for a fat bastard

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both high raw dmg and bleed dmg

worn pumice
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lets not have another carni good herbi bad evirma

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that would suck

cyan flame
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It could still have lower health than the more brawler/tanky ones

echo bridge
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its health is already at that point imo

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so we can wait to see if that needs change

worn pumice
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the dmg rly needs to change

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like 1100-1300 isn't good

echo bridge
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its mainly the lackluster damage

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its bleed damage is laughably low

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and it not 1 shotting a carno with a head hit is a meme

worn pumice
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1300 seems like a lot but its rly not for a stego plus it doesn't even do good bleed

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wow lmao it cant one shot a carno in the head?

tepid gate
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It can't

worn pumice
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damn

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down bad

tepid gate
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If you have any locked health as the Carno you will go down but if you're at full health you will survive that attack.

echo bridge
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if the carno is at full health with no locked hp

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you can live a head hit

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which is absurd

barren zephyr
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Now that I think about it, is stego even a apex?

echo bridge
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yes

candid fiber
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1300 is exactly too low to oneshot Carnos with a headshot.

worn pumice
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it should be an apex

tepid gate
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It's not according ot the devs

silent current
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no

echo bridge
barren zephyr
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You sure? I always thought of it as a high tier herbivore

candid fiber
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Even with 2000 damage it wouldn't be an apex.

echo bridge
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theriz and anky is smaller and yet they're considered apexes

worn pumice
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well whether they like it or not they need to make it an apex becuz otherwise its gonna suffer

tepid gate
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Tbh I don't view Stego, Anky and Theri as apexes either. Idk if the devs view Anky and Theri as apexes but they made it clear they don't consider Stego to be one.

barren zephyr
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I view theri as a apex, not stego or anky though.

echo bridge
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theriz is lighter than both
its actually lighter than parasaurolophus tubicens

worn pumice
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idc if their an apex or not the important thing is that if u cant run from something and cant fight it then thats bad balance

barren zephyr
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Because stego and anky are heavily built, you can be a heavy high tier.

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And can be a somewhat light apex

left nacelle
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Stego should have low health, but really strong attacks imo

candid fiber
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What definition of apex are we using?

arctic nimbus
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@zenith onyx There are no terrestrial animals that use light as a way to fend off predators.

barren zephyr
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Not sure, really. Have the devs ever called stego a apex?

echo bridge
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they never called anything an apex

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they call them all large tiers

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stego is large tier

tepid gate
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No, Punch specifically said it's not an apex according to them

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Filipe did call Deinosuchus an apex

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when asked whether it is going to be an apex or not

worn pumice
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but in a stream dondi said deino wasn't an apex so

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idk anymore

barren zephyr
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Stego and anky should be a high tier herivores that are meant to bridge the gap between mid tiers and apexes

tepid gate
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this is because the position of Deinosuchus has changed a couple of times based on how large it was meant to be

echo bridge
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the nomenclature doesnt really matter
if stego cant outrun rex, giga and spino it has to be able to fight them

worn pumice
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^^^^^^^

barren zephyr
tepid gate
barren zephyr
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At that point, they're just apexes though.

worn pumice
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this sentence works for any animal actually, if u cant fight whats stronger then u but cant run from it either then gg

tepid gate
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I think Stego will likely receive a number of touch-ups as the game's development progresses

worn pumice
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i hope so as well

tepid gate
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Tenonto was initially a garbage animal really

candid fiber
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I can see a hybrid approach work for Stego - dealing damage until the apex stamina runs out then running away.

worn pumice
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lmao teno

candid fiber
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Might need better bleed for that though.

tepid gate
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it received a number of buffs and additional mechanics and it's currently the best and most interesting herbivore in the game

echo bridge
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update 1 tenonto was hilariously bad

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thank fuck for the changes it got

worn pumice
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i still think stego needs better dmg numbers and bleed

elder rivet
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what was changed to tenonto?

worn pumice
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isnt stego supposed to be like a glass canon dealing lots of dmg but not being very tanky

echo bridge
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imo stego should work to where landing a hit causes enough bleed damage to where the apexes are set on a timer to wallow and heal the bleed before they bleed out

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or kill the stego to sit and heal it

candid fiber
barren zephyr
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So we agree that stego and anky are high tier herbivores that CAN defend themselves against apexes, but it would be in rex/giga/spinos favor?

elder rivet
worn pumice
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tru

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it should be like 3 bites from a rex gg

left nacelle
echo bridge
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also anky justs breaks their leg and leaves if they make a mistake so it can definitely fight off the apex with the right stats

candid fiber
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Hunts are never in the predators favor.

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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it should be even becuz if its in their favour then we just get legacy rex all over again

elder rivet
worn pumice
candid fiber
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If you are hunting something that has a hard time hiding from you you should never have a success chance > 50%.

barren zephyr
worn pumice
barren zephyr
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So what would even be the differnce between stego and actaul apex herbivores if its a even match?

echo bridge
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how they have to fight back to successfully survive

worn pumice
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stego would have dmg on its side while the other herbis such as trike would have either armor or a lot of health

candid fiber
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I think the difference would be that Stego couldn't really stand its ground against apex predators.

worn pumice
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oh u mean if they fight the apex carnis

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yea so lets change that lol

echo bridge
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Stego would have to move around because it cant risk leaving itself open to take damage
It would have to stay on the move like Theriz

elder rivet
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A stego with 6000 hp and 2500 damage would be able to one-shot carnos, not one-shot allos, while winning against a rex

echo bridge
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And attack back only if it needs to

candid fiber
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Trike sees Rex - better point your head in that direction. Stego sees Rex - lets try to run but if it gets too close make it regret that decision.

worn pumice
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basically angles will matter as a stego and u want them facing ur tail

echo bridge
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Anky sees Rex - lets see how fast this fucker gets his leg deleted

elder rivet
worn pumice
echo bridge
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turn to your side if its catching up to you

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then stab it in the face

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if it misses go back to running

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since the apex probably isnt mobile enough to catch you disengaging before its turned back in your direction after dodging the tail strike

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and try to have it burn out its stamina before you run out of yours

barren zephyr
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Rex is decently fast in legacy, I doubt they'll change that

echo bridge
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then once they tank out run away

worn pumice
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basically

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stego is keep ur tail at ur attack whether thats at the side or back

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trike is face it

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and anky is well

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its anky lol

echo bridge
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anky is tail to leg

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theriz is keep front to attacker but stay mobile

worn pumice
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well actually ankys head would be vunerable

elder rivet
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It seems they are going for a trotter rex according to the new trot not being that much slower than the run

echo bridge
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shant is every body part is a weapon

barren zephyr
echo bridge
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giga then should get reallocated to ambusher

worn pumice
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basically keep ur weapons aimed at the apex until it leaves or it runs in and u either wound kill it whatever

echo bridge
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really fast sprint with low running stam and nerfed trot, but it can regen stam whilst walking

elder rivet
barren zephyr
worn pumice
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yea rex works better as a stamina type

echo bridge
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funnily enough, i made a feedback post about that topic as well

worn pumice
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u did and its a good idea

echo bridge
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tenonto flip slam suggestion is up to 60 ✅ POG

worn pumice
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poggers

cedar pulsar
echo bridge
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ye

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also hope that the ambush mechanic never returns

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to muck up balance more

barren zephyr
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Ambush and weight are the two worst "features" this game has ever had

left nacelle
#

That mechanic was probably a thing before that suggestion tho. Considering that suggestion was like 2 days ago

cedar pulsar
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fair

worn pumice
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true

echo bridge
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weight being used in damage calc was the worst part of it
weight is needed for other stuff tho

worn pumice
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^^^^^^^^

cedar pulsar
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Ambush was added in the giga update
man it’s been a long time since then

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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weight is needed for say foot sounds, trample dmg stuff like that

echo bridge
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is also needed for pounce, charge, CC, and corpse food value calcs

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and body dragging

worn pumice
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oh yeyeyeye cc is big

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yup all thats stuff

echo bridge
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but weight in dmg calc was always bad

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which thank fuck

barren zephyr
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Yeah those makes sense, I feel like trample should maybe do flat damage though

worn pumice
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it was confusing too for no reason

echo bridge
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was one of the big changes evrima made

worn pumice
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i mean trample dmg going to weight would make sense

echo bridge
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yeah if trample is used as a proper attack, it doing flat damage is fine

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but maybe what you can and cant trample depends on a weight threshold

worn pumice
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yea that works

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kinda like fall dmg

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just different

cedar pulsar
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weight will hopefully play a decent role in deino's lunge
since i dont think it can haul something as big as a stego in that fast

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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yea they already know about that im pretty sure it was just testing

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if not

cedar pulsar
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also grab points should be necessary

left nacelle
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It will, Punch said they're gonna change how it works @cedar pulsar