general-feedback-discussion

[worn pumice]

most of the time idek if they look at anything

[feral wedge]

Shouldn't be a toothpick of a battering ram.

[edgy hamlet]

^literally everyone complained about anky and nothing changed from what i see

[worn pumice]

yes carno should be chunkier and slightly smaller

[noble pine]

It was slightly changed

[feral wedge]

Its size is fine.

[noble pine]

But nothing worth changing our minds

[worn pumice]

its 20% oversized rn

unless they changed that

[edgy hamlet]

the devs give the dinosaurs bird-inspired animations which work great for creatures like troodons but damn it doesnt work with 5T animals

[golden iron]

not tryna start a fight but imo theres a difference between changing a model they made and fixing a game mechanic

[worn pumice]

the only one that would work would be theri

[edgy hamlet]

i cant wait for ceras speedy highheel walk

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/carno-triceratops-walking-with-dinosaurs-animated-gif-17308944

fat carno.

[golden iron]

cera is graceful and it knows it

[edgy hamlet]

[golden iron]

thats a well fed carno

[edgy hamlet]

always had its goat for breakfast

[golden iron]

dammit now i wanna draw cera in high heels

if i do ill tag you

if you'd like

[edgy hamlet]

hell yeah

[golden iron]

i just noticed theres a balance feedback channel, but ive only been posting in general feedback

[elder rivet]

yeah and there were like 2 people who weren't against rhino anky

[golden iron]

im not against it, I'm just happy I have a fun dinosaur game to play. What were the issues with the rhino anky?

[edgy hamlet]

i dont really care about how anky will look just wanted to point out that the devs often overlook some serious issues

[hybrid matrix]

sometimes the devs' decisions make me frown with joy

[elder rivet]

We wanna play a round, tanky but slow and not agile boi

[edgy hamlet]

literally if 2 people complain and people agree it still makes sense that the devs dont care but literally everyone hated on anky lmao

[golden iron]

im guessing rhino anky is more agile and quick

[elder rivet]

But they made rhino anky be a thin, armadillo, agile and fast dude only because other creatures are getting faster in evrima

[edgy hamlet]

watch the devs make anky fast because "people dont like slow gameplay"

[civic carbon]

they did do that

[golden iron]

I personally don't like slow gameplay, but I can see how it ruins the immersion for some people

[edgy hamlet]

anky is literally about being a slow tank like.. why would they make it fast

[civic carbon]

that's the whole point of the anky we have rn, it's fast

[edgy hamlet]

the problem is i like walking around slowly minding my own business and now we have galloping stego

[civic carbon]

why they needed to make anky of all animals faster is beyond me

[golden iron]

they can make it faster but less attack damage, or slower and heavier attack damage.

[edgy hamlet]

deino having a fast burst still makes sense but even stego is extremely fast and has infinite stam lol

[elder rivet]

Our rhino anky is a bad animal if they made it's stats be similar to it's model

[civic carbon]

dent anky looks like a rex sandwich

[golden iron]

I think it might align with the fact that elder anky's might be significantly slower than their spry younger members, and they dont want a base thats already super slow

[edgy hamlet]

the devs cant even make it really fast which will lead people to still not liking it and people who like slow gameplay also not liking it .-.

[civic carbon]

anky's entire point is being slow lol

it's like taking a mosa and putting feet on it cause it doesn't do good on land

[golden iron]

with such a big map for a slow animal, it would make the diet system near impossible if it takes you a lifetime to travel to a far spot to eat

[edgy hamlet]

you wouldnt make carno have a hard bite and be bulky but take its speed, like, for what ._.

[edgy hamlet]

anky would likely have diets that are near to each other

[civic carbon]

^

[golden iron]

i suppose

[civic carbon]

also you can have anky be one of the bigger dinos that can actually gain a large amount of food from grazing

[paper oriole]

Just make anky a generalist grazer who eats a ton of low quality vegetation

Then it can be slow

[edgy hamlet]

^

[golden iron]

yea

[edgy hamlet]

Theyre gonna take the last slow-gameplay herbi

[golden iron]

hopefully they'll add a crap ton of edible plants

[civic carbon]

sauropods turned biped because they're too slow lol

[golden iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-personal-gif-3471937

like treestars!

[paper oriole]

Or hypsis can bring ankys treefruit offerings in exchange for protection

[golden iron]

that would be adorable

little fruit gatherers

and then they sit and relax on the ankys back

[worn pumice]

yk if they want make like the soft shelled anky the juvi and as it grows it gets tougher and slower

[edgy hamlet]

fast juvi anky would be nice, but seems like even anky will be fast

[noble pine]

I have another, well, not really suggestion but feedback I’ll be typing up in a bit.

[edgy hamlet]

oo

[civic carbon]

what's it about

[worn pumice]

fast anky is a cursed sight

[civic carbon]

reading your last one rn and i couldn't agree more lol

[edgy hamlet]

anky with sarco gallop

[worn pumice]

and rhino skin

scary stuff

somehow the older model imo looks better then the new one

[edgy hamlet]

it does

[civic carbon]

cause old anky was a good lad

[noble pine]

Stuff

[paper oriole]

About the hypsi fruit thing i think it'd be great of they worked like the squirrels here with other herbis (without being bullied to do it… maybe)

https://youtu.be/fZn2Y9E6TtI

[worn pumice]

old anky was so

[civic carbon]

old anky had a decent trot too

[worn pumice]

yea

[civic carbon]

p fast for what it was

[paper oriole]

Ripe treefruits giving some sort of bonus

[worn pumice]

they could've just taken inspiration from the old model

but no armadillo time

[noble pine]

I don’t think I’ve ever posted a suggestion that hasn’t been decently well received

[edgy hamlet]

seriously tho i literally prefer all of the old walking, trotting and running animations, dont think that im supposed to

[civic carbon]

mostly everyone agrees

[worn pumice]

i dont like the new anky animations and they're not even made yet lol

[civic carbon]

i'll say rex and allo are the only two who have anims better then the old

[worn pumice]

^^^^

[civic carbon]

only one i don't like is allo's trot, looks super weird

[brave rampart]

I absolutely love the crouch for rex

It doesn't squat and spread out god almightys thighs like legacy rex did

[edgy hamlet]

true, but atleast not the tippy toe one everything else has

[worn pumice]

i expect anky at any point to roll into a ball and traverse the map

[edgy hamlet]

the crouches all got better yeah

[worn pumice]

anky crouch?

[brave rampart]

I just wish the run wasn't as weightless tbh

[worn pumice]

imagine

all the new animations feel strange

[civic carbon]

this

[worn pumice]

teno is the only one i like

[civic carbon]

it honestly looks like it's missing a frame or two when it stretches it's leg back and then brings it back

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle-book-eating-fruits-baloo-gif-7271309

i found live footage of theri

[civic carbon]

it's all jittery too. not a fan of the new trot at all lol

[edgy hamlet]

All the new animations are Bird-inspired which doesnt work for 5t animals

[vast wolf]

pretty sure allos animations were demos and they got tweaked after but we havent been shown them.

[civic carbon]

they might've

[worn pumice]

stego def emphasizes this as its animation set isnt bad its just feel like a 2 tons animal

[civic carbon]

my only gripe with allos anims is that trot. i love everything else

[worn pumice]

tip toe spino

[brave rampart]

The allo crouch is obviously the best crouch in evrima

[civic carbon]

100%

except maybe rexes, cause rexes reminds me of the h-rex crouch lmao

but i just like all of the new rex anims in general

hope we get endurance boy

[cedar pulsar]

imo a lot of the new animations do feel strange like lion said
to me they don’t feel bad really, just..
off

[elder rivet]

Hey horses are pretty fast they run at like 80 kmph
Say something like "3-5 kmph faster than acro" since it wouldn't need to outrun allo, which would be the slowest mid tier. Or maybe alberto'll be the slowest midtier but Armaga can defend itself against alberto anyways

[fervent fable]

What animal would you suggest suits it’s speed?

[worn pumice]

yes exactly this, their not bad they just feel like their floating

like no weight

[fervent fable]

Hold up I’ll search it’s speed

31 Kmph or something

[elder rivet]

I don't really know but all it needs is to be faster than acro, but since we don't know acro's speed yet just say something like "X to X faster than acro" (X equals speed number, don't make it too high or else it might be able to outrun allo)

[noble pine]

@median ore 10/10

That is prefect

[barren zephyr]

@median ore As much I like the changes, It won't happen imo

[median ore]

The hope is that the devs see how easy it would be to slightly modify the existing model and make the majority of players happy.

[noble pine]

Im not sure how easy it would be for baardo to do that

[median ore]

The biggest problem I see occurring is in the fine detail on the tail needing to be tweaked, and the animation for the tail needing to be tweaked. Note: tweaked. As in, "polished slightly so that it still works with the new tail".

The sail should be fine.

[proud coral]

This is the first Spino model change suggestion that I like. It's just a few tweaks so it shouldn't be too hard.

Hopefully 😛

[fervent fable]

I wish spino had less of an eligant walk,
And moved like a beast

[proud coral]

Like it had weight? Yeah

[fervent fable]

Yeah, like solitaire’s suggestion

I think it was

[proud coral]

I really hope the devs read that suggestion

[median ore]

Well, the "walks" we're seeing are all the "Z-walks". Your trot animations are your default movement speed. But, agreed I'd like a LITTLE more obvious chonk.

[fervent fable]

Would be nice, it’s crouch should be walking on it’s knuckles

[noble pine]

It’s elegant walk is more like “get out of my way or I’ll cut your open”

[fervent fable]

XD

[upbeat marten]

@noble pine good news is hypno announced sometime in january that they are going to release an update sometime soon is going to make it so your weight is reflected by your dino

I sent an ss of what he said in the boosters channel

[proud coral]

I thought he meant like gameplay wise and not animation wise....but maybe

[noble pine]

It is gameplay

Not animation

#boosters-only @upbeat marten look in there at what i said

[upbeat marten]

Oh

[noble pine]

Yeah lmao

[jade schooner]

Thank you @median ore !. Those are the most important parts as of now. Could there be more? Definitely, but just that would be good enough

[median ore]

No problem! And agreed, really. I don't mind slightly-fantasy / monsterfied Spino. I DO mind completely ignoring current findings that could be so dang cool.

[jade schooner]

Yusssss

[elder rivet]

@median ore the tail is much bigger than in that video, perspective makes it look much shorter than it actually is. There was a side view of that animation but i don't know where to find it so all i have to show is this size chart, it shows that spino's tail is longer than deino's

[median ore]

If that's correct, all that means is that the tail needs much less change made to it to make it more accurate (make it thicker vertically and have a less tapered end). Which. I hope for.

Currently, however, both Spino and Deino kinda suffer with the ends of their tails being small / tapered when they should be more blunt and paddle-like.

[elder rivet]

Yeah i think they're gonna change that, the modeller for the elders(i forgot who made them) said that he should only change a few things in order for there to not be a whole new animation for each dino while still keeping it different from the adults, and elder deino has a paddle-like tail meaning they could easily give it to adult deino without messing with animations

[median ore]

Ye. Really, editing a tail's basic shape is probably one of the easiest changes to make. Lengthening / shortening limbs proportionally to the body is where animations will need to be changed, but making a tail taller shouldn't require changes. Same with the sail in Spino's case.

I like to make part modifications for models in another game, so I'm familiar with working around animation weirdness. It's really just... "If you can keep the joints in the same place, you're good."

[jade schooner]

Jake is the modeller of all creatures as far as I know.
While Fred is concept artist and apparently does skins as well? (From what I heard a long time from dondi, how accurate this information is, idk. We need more skins).
And Tapwing is concept artist.

So basically all we need is a tail update and everyone is happy

[valid zephyr]

The tail is actually really long in the side view. The 3/4 just makes it look super short.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/805525123104636948/unknown.png

Still would love the tail to be more flattened though.

[jade schooner]

The sail and tail need an upgrade

Kinda looking at it, in comparison to the skeletal and concepts and paleoart... it looks actually pretty great in the basic shape and length.
The only things “mostly” off would be the tail and sail.
And the legs looking a bit too close to the arms 🤔

Perspective can do a lot

(And the length of the legs, but we already talked about it before)

(Because skeletal usually depict it with a longer torso)

[paper oriole]

His sail is so small it can barely be called a spinosaurus

[jade schooner]

🤔

What if we put long legs to this. Would it be Isle worth? (Basically saying: change sail, tail and stretch the torso)

(Not a completely new model)

Does someone have cool editing skills here to mix up both the isle spino pic above with this skeletal and do a point in between?

Or just put the desirable features missing

[paper oriole]

How about not giving the unique theropod long legs to turn him into generic land apex #3

[jade schooner]

I want what you say, but many don’t, why? Idk

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/794553779201900584/ddxotsg-7c220935-338a-412b-9251-eac04afe85f6.png

[jade schooner]

From Qubaal7890’ suggestion
Spino The Fat Range Tank: Slowest of the 3 terrestrial apexes both in sprint and trot but with a decent stamina pool and a large amount of health, supported by its long range claw swipe and even longer range but weaker bite its built to control and dominate the space its in whilst on the defense (Less proficient at actively hunting terrestrial prey than the others)

This goes really nicely with shorter legs. Not extremely shorter like the current accurate builds, but maybe a 75% of its current length

[tepid gate]

That is a really lovely Spino in the suggestions - granted I don't think they're going to change the model but if they were to do so - that's pretty much what I'd like it to look like(with perhaps the concept-art head on top of that)

[jade schooner]

[jade schooner]

That’s why along my suggestions is not making a new model but editing the desirable things from the current one. Can’t be too much like making the other new dinos, right? And from now until we get apexes I feel we have a long way to go. Enough for a few edits (it’s kinda like making an elder from the base model 🤔)

[golden iron]

i was play fighting with some players on a server and their carno could damage me by biting my tail while at the same time i couldnt reach him. Really dumb

as a stego

[steady lintel]

alot of people want that we are all just trying to be realistic with what they would even consider

[tepid gate]

While I agree, I specifically stated that I don't think they're going to change the model(meaning - apply any changes to it). I'd be really happy if they did and that was the final effect though.

[jade schooner]

Gotyu

[warm flame]

ok nvm I just realized that that was my edit because I decided to read the whole thing and it said mrgharial did the spine and they did the rest so ye they gave credit to the wrong person

wait or is it the stomach looks different-

confusion

[paper oriole]

Yes let's turn yet another dino into an uninspired JP ripoff that sounds great

[dapper pulsar]

I prefer insulting it by pointing out the fact that our spinosaurs are just a Pokemon Evolution line.

progressions influence remains even after death

[terse hornet]

@elder rivet not to be that person, but so you know... "Trot" is just the equestrian/four leg term for "jog".

Jog as a noun: An energetic trot, slower than a run, often used as a form of exercise.

I do agree with your suggestion though that the rex trot/jog needs to be worked on still

[paper oriole]

Our spino has long legs to compensate for his tiny sail

Our spino is just hyper baryonix with loose back skin

[junior crow]

I wish we had @analog ingot Spino edit ngl

[paper oriole]

I wish we had tapwing's spino but they keeping the jp cosplayer spino

[junior crow]

feels bad

[dense wagon]

🙏

[junior crow]

yeah that's amazing

either one I wouldn't mind having in game

[paper oriole]

I can just hope a modder will come to the rescue in the future with a good spino like that

[merry roost]

to stack on this why does spino need to be a jp3 wanna be when it can litterally be what its meant to be, a piscavore that can go toe to toe with the other apexes but its niche entirely avoids them,

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[warm flame]

saw some people talking about tap's 2021 spino drawing so did an edit

I wish I coulda made the claws less weird but oh well

this was the original

the more I look at it the more I hate it

[paper oriole]

Either one is better than what we got lol

[azure wadi]

I prefer our current evrima spino design

[warm flame]

I prefer it for the most part, could use some edits but maybe that's because I haven't seen a good angle

[warm flame]

@median ore here's a better image of spino for you to use as an example

[wanton hull]

ok hear me out on this one. They could use the current spino model and just call it a genetically engineered dino like the hypos. It would basically be a easy excuse to use the pop-culture spino instead of the scientifically more accurate one.
I personally dont like the pop-culture spino but on the other hand, the more scientific spino would be pretty boring to play if they decide to stick to our modern understanding of spino.

[safe galleon]

well all the other dinos are already genetically enginered to fit a certain niche

some are just more extreme

[left nacelle]

@idle ibex Dondi did say in the past that when diets are added, Tenonto's main food source will be in the swamp, so this suggestion is perfect imo

[barren zephyr]

Its not just a Carno problem, grabbing stuff can give you a whole bunch of bugs.

[sonic cloud]

Once Deinosuchus and diets are both implemented Tenontosaurus is going to go extinct unless it gets some sort of speed buff in the water

It’s already less popular than Utah, Carno and Stego

[hybrid matrix]

maybe teno could swim faster than deino

[worn pumice]

no cuz then it could just abuse that

they should make it faster then all the land dinos but still slower then the semi aquatics

[hybrid matrix]

ok

well wut about deino tho

[worn pumice]

wdym

[hybrid matrix]

its just gonna catch it

u cant tailslam while ur swimming

[worn pumice]

i mean thats kinda what the deino is there for

[barren zephyr]

Teno is fine, they just need to nerf Carno because its super unviable because of Carno. Plus Teno can just eat swamp grass in shallow water, Deino is too big to ambush it like that.

[worn pumice]

plus teno is supposed to live in swamps

like the shallow swamps

[barren zephyr]

All swamps have shallow areas where Teno can safely eat that swamp leafage

[hybrid matrix]

OH the shallow swamps

[worn pumice]

yeyeye

they said they wanted to add like these white flowers at the swamp for teno to eat

idk if thats still gonna be added but who knows

[barren zephyr]

I mean do people think teno is gonna dive and eat plants from deep water? No, its just gonna be hanging out near shallow water. Deino is not gonna be an issue.

[worn pumice]

though i still wonder how the deino match up vs stego is gonna look like

wonder if they'll release a combat video like they did last time

[barren zephyr]

Stego is gonna win if Deino doesnt ambush it

[worn pumice]

as it should

[safe galleon]

deino on land = fucked
deino in water = everything else is fucked

[worn pumice]

would be cool if they released a combat video kinda like the 2 stegos vs 10 tenos

that would be cool

[hybrid matrix]

deino on land = the fucked
deino in water = the fucker

[hexed badger]

Hmm, imagine 20 dryos aggressively attacking deino on land

Will deino spawn near water, or will it still spawn on land?

[worn pumice]

well its ur choice cuz they added the system of choosing certain reigions on the map

although another map is being worked on

[hexed badger]

Yeah, but if u spawn in a forest as a deino Juvi it would be Kinda hard

[worn pumice]

tru but reigional spawning lets u spawn where u want tho

just choose an area near the swamp

plus the new smaller map being worked on might be better then the one we have for all dinos so

lets see

[barren zephyr]

It will probably spawn near water. If you havent noticed, all dinos have a different spawning location even if they all spawn at center. For example, a juvi Utah spawning at center will spawn at the swamp region, while a Juvi Carno spawning at center will be spawned on open fields.

[worn pumice]

isn't regional spawning a thing

ik its not like a specific place u spawn at

but its still general enough where its easy to just pick a spot close to a swamp so

[barren zephyr]

@waxen vault This is not the correct channel for that, but depends on the game version you are playing on. In Legacy I reccomend officials or Teutonic, on Evrima Official EU 1 or Teutonic 1.

[waxen vault]

thanks zote. a

and about second question can i save my progress on a server?

[elder rivet]

Couldn't you just put "wrong chat" instead of "wrong chamelt"

[barren zephyr]

You just log out. All servers have a timer as to prevent logging out while in combat. If you hit ''Quit'', it closes your game but leaves your dinosaur in the server for some time, risking it dying.

[hybrid matrix]

i didnt put the t

but thnx

[left nacelle]

Hold H when laying down to go to sleep. This saves your progress once you log out

[waxen vault]

and can i see from menu if there is my dino on server to log in?

[left nacelle]

If you just hit quit, your game will close but your animal will be left in the server for a while after that

[barren zephyr]

On Menu it does not show, so just try to keep note of which server you were playing on, and what dino you had there.

[left nacelle]

I can show sometimes. If you hover over a server it will sometimes show the animal you have on that server

It can be inconsistant tho, I think it's a bit buggy

[barren zephyr]

Never works for me.

[left nacelle]

Lemme see if I can get a screenshot of it

[waxen vault]

okey guys thanks for the help it was really helfull

[barren zephyr]

No problem. You are new to the game, so expect to die alot. Dont be so trusting of others, as this is a Survival game and everything wants to kill you.

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr You have to click on the server and then wait a sec, and it'll pop up

You can see how it shows my tenonto

[barren zephyr]

Mmmm I thought I tried that but may be wrong so thanks

[left nacelle]

No prob. It doesn't always seem to show up tho, so

[barren zephyr]

Also how do you get the ''hide empty'' filter working

Never works for me

[left nacelle]

You have to refresh after you click it, you can't click it while it's still searching

[barren zephyr]

I tried that, doesnt work.

[left nacelle]

Huh. No idea then. I always click it right away, then it comes up with a ton of empty servers, then I refresh and the filter goes into effect. You might wanna report that bug. Or ask someone in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[barren zephyr]

Oh yea that exists, thanks

[left nacelle]

Np lol

[hybrid matrix]

@prisma epoch Tail jab does drain stego stam. Although im pretty sure its bugged which is why it doesnt actually drain the stam anymore

it definitely drained b4 the last patch

also just dont play on a server without rules

[left nacelle]

@prisma epoch Most of your issues could just be fixed by playing on a server that has rules, like Derptah said

[hybrid matrix]

yup

[left nacelle]

@prisma epoch Also, they said trees will be more accessible in the future. Hypsi being able to get in trees wasn't planned, but they're planning on making it a feature, so it'll be easier to get into trees in the future

[hybrid matrix]

Also how can u misspell tenonto so horribly?!

[left nacelle]

@prisma epoch You should report that settings bug in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞. Don't just put them in the feedback channel

[prisma epoch]

Which servers have rules? is there a way to find them from the servers list in game? When I click on their discord links they don't work though

[hybrid matrix]

A. It's a beta, don't expect the discord links to work
B. You just have to join and then ask

[prisma epoch]

right now most of servers are with a few players except Teutonic, Eu official and a few American servers which they have bad ping for me.

[hybrid matrix]

wut region u live in

[left nacelle]

@vocal ingot In Evrima there's gonna be a lot more small animals than there are in Legacy for this exact reason. All 14 of the new animals we're getting are small. The biggest one is probably Magyarosaurus or Deinosuchus, and Magy is about as tall as a buffalo

[barren zephyr]

@prisma epoch With diet update and more AI coming, the cannibalism issue will be resolved, do not worry. Also the bugs you listed are known and will probably...hopefully...should be fixed by the next update.

[vocal ingot]

yes, but legacy has smaller stuff aswell, but everybody just plays giga's, rex's and shants

[prisma epoch]

Yep, but still rules won't be enough, becuase in Legacy there were rules like not killing while there's food near you. There must be a way to lead the people in game to not be able to disorder the rules.

[vocal ingot]

and options never hurt

[left nacelle]

Exactly, and that's because there aren't very many small animals and they aren't very unique. Plus big animals like rex won't be added for a long time. Even when they are added, you're gonna see a lot of people playing as small animals since they'll be a lot more fleshed out than they are in Legacy

[hybrid matrix]

dude

just be patient

eventually the diet system will get added, and so will perks. and also, i think cannibalism will debuff u unless ur a cera

[prisma epoch]

I'm just discussing XD

[paper oriole]

Carno isn't supposed to hunt stego, it's a small prey hunter who is supposed to be eating utahs and dryos. Why are you asking to make hunting stegos easier for carnos lol

[prisma epoch]

I hope the Dinosuchus won't be Cannibal XD

[paper oriole]

It will

[left nacelle]

Deino should be a cannibal tho

Crocs are cannibals irl

[barren zephyr]

Deinosuchus cannibalism will be on maximum overdrive

[paper oriole]

Crocodiles eat eachother all the time

[hybrid matrix]

honestly i just wanna scare the shit out of some stegos as a deino and fly around as a ptera

ima play as ptera a LOT

[vocal ingot]

again, options dont hurt, you will still be able to play on ur rex only servers, but i personally would prefere to have this option, and u know thats not what will happen -_-, how many people do u see playing as the small stuff in evrima, all i see is carno's, raptors(only cuz they are popular in fiction) and stegos

[paper oriole]

I see hypsis but 90% of the time theyre just bored suicidal trolls

[left nacelle]

That's because there's only like 6 animals in the game right now lol. Once there's like 30 animals, a vast majority of people will probably be playing as small to medium sized ones, due to them having unique abilities

[barren zephyr]

Also because big ones will be super hard to grow

[vocal ingot]

world of tanks, had a historical mode for all of like 1-2 months, because everybody just queued up in their tigers, cuz all the normies want to play the famous tanks, only dino nerds like us will be playing the small intresting stuff

everybody will be playing rex's and gigas

as it is in legacy

[barren zephyr]

They can try, most of them will die.

[prisma epoch]

If that's the case then they have to add different mods like Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous, so there will be servers with their own Mesozoic era. They can put a mod like free for all which has all the Eras. But it will be cool to be able to play in a server with a specific Period. So if you're a Carno and you don't like to fight or face a Cera or T rex in the future or even a Stego as now, you can play in Cretaceous period.

[left nacelle]

That is just not true tho. You keep saying it'll be the same way it is in Legacy, even tho the animals are all gonna be super different than the ones in legacy. They will be like 10x more interesting and people will want to actually play them

The small animals in legacy are all the same and a lot of them are really slow. The small animals in evrima are fast, agile, and have unique abilities

[paper oriole]

???????? No??? You can literally run away from things you cant fight with carno. Unlike stego you have that choice

You dont HAVE to deal with rex or stego as carno

[prisma epoch]

Well... that will be a pain cuz now you can't bush camp as a baby rex, it will take ages. More than 5 hours, I don't think that'll happen.

[vocal ingot]

yes, but they are not t-rex, most of the player would have never heard about this small stuff

[prisma epoch]

in the future you'll need to scape Allos XD

[vocal ingot]

like i said world of tanks, great example of this, historical mode died, because everybody wanted to play the famous tiger

[left nacelle]

So? It doesn't matter if they haven't heard of it. I never heard of Beipi but I'm excited for it

[paper oriole]

And are allos as fast as carno? Unlikely

[vocal ingot]

nobody cared about playing shermans, t-34's or anything like that

[prisma epoch]

I'm just saying adding more plable mods will bring more freedom to the game and make it more enjoyable.

[safe galleon]

Well it takes away different possible interactions so if anything it makes it less enjoyable

[prisma epoch]

I don't like to see a T-rex while I'm playing as an Allo. That doesn't sound natural as well.

[left nacelle]

None of the animals in the game are natural tho. They aren't even dinosaurs. They're human made animals that are named after dinosaurs that they're based off of

[urban flax]

You're playing genetically engineered mutated dinos on a human-populated island, does this seem natural ?

[prisma epoch]

Yea but they try to make it more realistic right? iIf that's the case they don't even ave to make the phisycs more realistic.

[left nacelle]

???

That's flawed logic

[safe galleon]

No, just no

[urban flax]

Realistic as can a game that takes place in our time with genetically engineered dinos can be.

[prisma epoch]

adding mods won't harm any player it will just give many people more option to enjoy the game

[left nacelle]

They will be adding mods tho. Modding will be a thing. I don't understand the point of this conversation lol

[paper oriole]

Nobodys against mods

[safe galleon]

It will give you less options actually

[urban flax]

Allowing servers to enable/disable every dino individually will do it and is already planned

[prisma epoch]

Then that's good news

[prisma epoch]

off Cool

[left nacelle]

Modding was already a thing in the past, until one of the previous devs messed up the devkit

[prisma epoch]

I can't wait for that XD

[left nacelle]

People were making maps and stuff for the game and it was cool

[hybrid matrix]

stego takes 5 hours, so i think rex is gonna take about 7 or 8 (hopefully 9)

[left nacelle]

Stego is 5 hours? I thought it was 4

[urban flax]

By the way everybody asks about a way to disable humans once they're added... But why not disable dinos and play DayZ 😄 ?

[left nacelle]

Well you will be able to disable humans lol, or dinos if you want

[urban flax]

I'd like growth times to be tweaked actually
Like made much shorter

[prisma epoch]

Adding humans can be a playing option as well.

[hybrid matrix]

XD

[prisma epoch]

Like some server can have them if they want

and some don't

[left nacelle]

That would be a bad idea. That's how you get huge herds of stegos that go around killing everything in sight

[hybrid matrix]

nah thats a bad idea

[prisma epoch]

this just brings more people to the game as there are more ways to play the game.

[urban flax]

Why ?

[left nacelle]

Yeah that's already gonna be a thing too, Shayan. Humans can be disabled

[hybrid matrix]

or giant groups of deinos or rexes or gigas or acros or berties or spinos or allos or ceras etc

[prisma epoch]

You shouldn't join a server with humans if you don't like it. Many people Like it ( I don't )

[hybrid matrix]

longer growth times means less apexes

[urban flax]

Yeah but if every dino grows on a reduced time span, I don't think it'd change much

[prisma epoch]

yeap XD

[urban flax]

Game is gonna become much more lethal in the future

[hybrid matrix]

how much less time tho

[left nacelle]

If you have real short growth times, everyone who plays as a large creature will be able to grow quickly, and then take over the server

[prisma epoch]

I hope they add things like quests or idk... cuz growing a dino is boring whithout having anything to do

[hybrid matrix]

there is gonna be a story, but not quests

[hybrid matrix]

also perks are gonna be a thing

[left nacelle]

Things will be added to be more entertaining tho. Quests wouldn't make sense

[hybrid matrix]

and sitting around is gonna be bad

bc then u grow to be weaker

and u cant have good perks

[left nacelle]

Like they're gonna make it so your animals will have things it likes to do. Like maybe if you're a deino, your deino will want to bask, you go to the swamp, or something like that

[prisma epoch]

Not quest but something like it so you don't get bored and have nothing to do as a juve

[hybrid matrix]

so eventually its gonna be better to move around a lot if u want to get good perks

[hybrid matrix]

again

deino will bask

[left nacelle]

Yeah there's gonna be activities you can do that aren't essential

[hybrid matrix]

something else will do something

[left nacelle]

Things to do just for the hell of it

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

maybe teno could sharpen its claws against trees

[left nacelle]

Yeah that'll likely be a thing

[prisma epoch]

but among all I hope they add shitting machanic XD

kidding

[left nacelle]

Careful there bucko lol

Even if you're joking that can probably get you into trouble

[prisma epoch]

😦

[hybrid matrix]

honestly i woudnt mind shit, i just think its never gonna get added bc of certain bad ppl

[prisma epoch]

No man if they add it then it's gonna be one of the most realistic games XD

[hybrid matrix]

it would add a lot of mechanics, but it would also provide a certain fuel to certain weirdos

[left nacelle]

Dondi even said a way for it to be added, but people would still make it weird

[hybrid matrix]

are you sure about that

[prisma epoch]

Imagine you find a Spino by it's bad smell

and you type in the chat...

Oh I found you by your disgusting smell

[hybrid matrix]

would smell like fish

[prisma epoch]

XD

Man I hate when I'm a lonely adult Carno or Utah...

%100 two other adults will find and kill me

[vocal ingot]

how, running away is super easy in evirma

evrima

[hybrid matrix]

rq

[prisma epoch]

Stego is so boring though

[hybrid matrix]

if u grow faster by constantly grazng wouldnt that be kinda cheap?

[vocal ingot]

solo carno on evrima is the shit

[hybrid matrix]

i like that suggestion

except for the part about faster growth time

[prisma epoch]

I mean it's still a game which should make people to enjoy their time

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[prisma epoch]

Not sitting hours and get bored

[hybrid matrix]

but still

[prisma epoch]

except apexes XD

[hybrid matrix]

i know but eventually its gonna be: challenge = reward

so once perks are added

you're gonna have a reason to sit around

actually no

[prisma epoch]

Yeah

[hybrid matrix]

you're gonna have a reason to move around constantly and do what is required to unlock the perks

otherwise ur gonna be a weak adult with shitty perks

[prisma epoch]

Thatssss cooolll

Love that one

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of perks ima list a few possible ideas for them

[urban flax]

@hybrid matrix I was thinking about halving growth times, but that may be too much

[hybrid matrix]

HALVING THEM????!! YOU REALIZE THAT WOULD MEAN STEGO ONLY TAKES TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO GROW!! AND UTAHS TAKE FOURTY FIVE MINUTES!! HOLY SHIT WTF MAN

[urban flax]

But the game is much more fast-pace than before, it would make sense for growth times to be shorter too

[hybrid matrix]

no

just no

fucking

no

thats the craziest shit i ever heard

[urban flax]

There's no need to be so upset

[hybrid matrix]

think about it this way

if stegos take 5 hours to grow rn, they would take 2 and a half, which means carnos would take an hour and 15 minutes

maybe reducing each grow time by like 5 minutes would be ok, but not halving them

it would be like legacy but worse

anyway

about perks

[urban flax]

If they make juvie gameplay interesting, then I'm okay about leaving growth times as they are
And I'm not talking about diets

For example, current evrima juvie Utah can't do shit, you have to wait until full adult to be able to really play your dino

[vocal ingot]

all that juvie gameplay needs is more smaller dinos

[sonic cloud]

Juvi gameplay is interesting tho

[vocal ingot]

its pretty much why i mentioned the server weight limit being limited to juvie rex seems pretty intresting imo

[sonic cloud]

This isn’t legacy where juvies suck ass and can’t do shit

Even with tenonto being one of the worst juvies it’s far better, far better than anything in legacy

[urban flax]

Maybe I'm biased because of Legacy then

[sonic cloud]

Why? Have you played Evrima yet?

[urban flax]

Yes

But I'm still more used to legacy and I didn't play evrima a lot

[worn pumice]

Well if u were worried about Utah it’s def something fun to grow that doesn’t take too too long and u can pounce once ur 75%

[urban flax]

Ah it's 75% now ?

[icy lion]

it was 85, but its disabled now

you must be 100

[worn pumice]

Wait pounce is dis

Oh

Nvm

F

[urban flax]

Utah is the only carni I played in evrima (out of 2 lol) and well, I found its growing boring

It's forced to scavenge or hunt dryos only

[worn pumice]

I think what would help growing is a good map

[urban flax]

Or other juvies, though I don't think a juvie utah can beat a juvie carno or stego

[worn pumice]

Juvi stego is extremely strong for its size

[hybrid matrix]

Swim speed buff (Only available to semi-aquatics):
Pros:

• Makes your tail paddle-shaped, allowing you to swim faster
  Cons:
• Because your tail is flatter, it takes more stamina to shift swim

Muscle buff (available to all dinosaurs):
Pros:

• Stronger attacks
• Heavier
• More health
  Cons:
• Slower
• Requires more food
• Running requires more stamina

Serration buff (available to carnivores):
Pros:

• Bite does higher bleed damage
• Can eat faster (serrations slice up meat easier)
  Cons:
• Teeth are harder for compies to clean, increasing the risk of infection
• Teeth can become dull if used in combat too frequently

Metabolism buff (available to all dinosaurs):
Pros:

• Hunger drains slower
• Less likely to puke when eating
• Stamina drains slower
  Cons:
• Because you have a fuller stomach, you are slower
• It takes longer to eat
• The scent of your puke lingers longer than usual (so does sickness)

[worn pumice]

Hello

Lol

[hybrid matrix]

good possible perks?

[urban flax]

Humpf
Teeth can become dull ? You really want to have to control the sharpness of your teeth ?

[worn pumice]

The devs said all the perks will never change stats

[urban flax]

I know the Isle is trying to be realistic, but isn't that a little too much ?

[hybrid matrix]

no i mean like the serrations wear out

[worn pumice]

Like things won’t increase hp or dmg or anything like that

[hybrid matrix]

:(

[worn pumice]

idk that’s what the devs said so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hybrid matrix]

but the serration buff could give ai compies something useful to do

wut else are compies gonna do

[urban flax]

Oh and the tail change isn't a good idea either imo, it would require to make an additionnal tail model for every dino that can have the perk

Not clean the teeth of anything else than very big dinos anyway

[worn pumice]

Hunger and thrist stats might be something for perks to change

[hybrid matrix]

didnt think of that

[hybrid matrix]

compies could clean the teeth of anything larger than a cera, no?

[worn pumice]

I def don’t think they’ll change things with stam because stamina is like the main battle stuff when ur fighting

[hybrid matrix]

eh

[worn pumice]

They said they want most things to work around stamina

[hybrid matrix]

u mean perks or attacks

[worn pumice]

Perks

Just perks

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[urban flax]

I don't think so, compies are basically rats, they aren't supposed to live in symbiosis with otehr dinos

[worn pumice]

I can see perks including things like red eyes which show that the Dino can eat the most rotten food

Or something like that

[urban flax]

They will replace corpse despawning tho

[hybrid matrix]

wouldnt it be cool to have compies cleaning teeth tho? it would add a lot to the game, for example, infections

also it would be a unique ability for compy

hell it might even make like 1 or 2 ppl play as a compy

[barren zephyr]

A good idea for compy would be when it pounces you it rips into you and takes a meat chunk out so that while it won’t do much damage is a way for it to get food when there are no body’s around

[urban flax]

But players aren't like that
They're just gonna eat the compies

[urban flax]

Compy doesn't have the tools for ripping flesh
I don't even think it should pounce

[hybrid matrix]

unless it means they could get infected

[barren zephyr]

Have you seen jp 2 that thing can pounce and rip flesh

[hybrid matrix]

the risk of losing ur dino to an infection would be enough reason for players to not eat compies

[worn pumice]

Most ppl would prolly kill a computer for fun

Not even eat it

Computer

[hybrid matrix]

please, please dont use jurassic park as a reference

[worn pumice]

Lol

Compy*

[urban flax]

Getting infected and dying because you ate meat and had no compies to clean your mouth ?

That sounds sooo tedious

[barren zephyr]

I’m just saying compy does have the capability to rip flesh and pounce

[urban flax]

JP compy does.

[hybrid matrix]

no the compies would stay near bodies so that once somehting comes along to eat it, they can just clean the teeth

[barren zephyr]

Well the thing is no one would really play it if all it did was go around eating corpses until it dies

[urban flax]

And JP velociraptor is fucking 2 meters tall, and has no feathers nor wings.

[hybrid matrix]

also it would be up to the player to let the compies to their job

[barren zephyr]

This I agree with

[urban flax]

Is compy even supposed to be playable ?

[hybrid matrix]

not sure

but

ai compies could still clean teeth

[barren zephyr]

I think it’s gonna be playable

[urban flax]

Most animals irl don't have smaller ones cleaning their teeth

Only crocs and sharks do

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut im talking about

compies could clean deino teeth

they could clean giga teeth

rex teeth

any teeth that want to be cleaned

[barren zephyr]

Guess that works

[hybrid matrix]

except for raptor teeth

bc raptors r too small for compies to clean

raptors will figure out how to clean their own damn teeth

[urban flax]

But rex and giga probably don't need to have their teeth cleaned
I don't know why crocodiles and sharks do, but I'm pretty sure there is a reason as to why no other animal does

[hybrid matrix]

crocs and sharks need theyre teeth cleaned bc they cant clean their own teeth

and neither can rexes or gigas

[urban flax]

Still, cleaning teeth is too much of a tedious mechanic for a game like the Isle

[hybrid matrix]

why so

[urban flax]

That's not a dino sim
ANd even in a dino sim, I wouldn't want that. That's not very interesting anyway.

Getting infections because of injuries, rotten meat or whatever, ok. But getting infections because of uncleaned teeth ? nah.

[hybrid matrix]

dude

sigh

ok

lemme explain

u would only need to clean ur teeth, if u eat bad meat without realizing it

yeah sure every now and then if ur teeth get a little yellow u could find some compies to clean them, but mainly ur teeth would get dirty from eating bad meat

[urban flax]

in that case ok

[worn pumice]

Or what if we did this

Make compy clean teeth right

But carnis they don’t get any debuffs from eating (unless the food is rotten) and every so often if the carni chooses he can get a slight buff to the food intake after getting their teeth cleaned

That way carnis don’t need to clean their teeth but if they do they get a buff

Slight buff

[hybrid matrix]

?

not sure if i understand

[urban flax]

But when I think about it, if you ate rotten teeth, compies wouldn't probably do much

What's toxic is already in your belly

[hybrid matrix]

wait rotten teeth?

[urban flax]

uh rotten meat

[hybrid matrix]

lol

[worn pumice]

wait whats even the original perk or ability lol

[hybrid matrix]

compies cleaning dirty teeth

well i mean teeth would still get dirty after eating

but u wouldnt have to clean them right away

u could wait a while

until they get rlly dirty

[urban flax]

I'm still not a fan of the teeth-cleaner nighe for compy
It's actually a little large to do that

[hybrid matrix]

and dirty teeth would only pose a serious threat if theyre very dirty

[hybrid matrix]

so wut would do it?

[urban flax]

And it doesn't have a beak to do it

Idk, maybe some small pterosaur

Or actual teeth-cleaner birds

[hybrid matrix]

ok

i think maybe compy would be small enough to clean the teeth of hypers tho

[worn pumice]

u could always delete compy 😎

[hybrid matrix]

actually

[urban flax]

Compies would get cancer by eating what lies in a hyper's mouth x)

[hybrid matrix]

compy is small enough to clean the teeth of rexes and gigas

[hybrid matrix]

hyper compy!!

SUPER TOOTHBRUSH

[urban flax]

Hyper compy actually eats your teeth

Then it spits them at its prey to kill them from afar

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[vale pawn]

Compy cleaners

[dense wagon]

there's nothing wrong with the jump, it's not hard to hold spacebar while running
spitting is flawed though
it needs to have a larger hitbox so that it can act as a viable defense mechanism

[hybrid matrix]

the jump itself is fine

its just that

its impossible to get to safety if ur being chased

[dense wagon]

if something is chasing you, you'd have to find a rock or something while running, charge up the jump, and them hop onto it

[worn pumice]

jump itself is fine but it doesnt help anything

if like the jump allowed to land on specific points on trees it would be cool

[dense wagon]

what needs to be changed is the spit hitbox
it's way too small and difficult to aim unless you're standing still

and you aren't going to be standing still if a utah or something is chasing you

[worn pumice]

maybe have like an automatic aim thing? or maybe something else

[dense wagon]

auto aim would be too op

[worn pumice]

true

oh wait

just give the area of effect it can be active bigger

[dense wagon]

if they make the spit cone shaped instead of a thin line it would work

[worn pumice]

yeyeye

exactly

[dense wagon]

that's what i'm saying
bigger hitbox

[worn pumice]

ye

that would help tons

[sonic cloud]

Utah is the only carni I played in evrima (out of 2 lol) and well, I found its growing boring
@urban flax that’s more to do with there not being very many small animals for a juvenile Utah to hunt in evrima. Even in evrima only hypsilophodon and dryosaurus are the only animals smaller than Utah. Given time animals like Troodon, Protoceratops, Homalocephale etc will be around for immature Utahraptor to hunt and be hunted by

[hexed badger]

Anky shouldn’t be able to run away, but fight the things it can’t run from

[worn pumice]

Anky shoudnt be able to run from anything but it should be able to defend itself from everything

[dapper pulsar]

Anky should be able to run slightly faster than a cripple.

Or a corpse.

[urban flax]

Running as fast as a literal stone with legs seems fair enough

[left nacelle]

Just an fyi, Diplodocus isn't confirmed, and Brachi is planned to be AI. But these animals are going to have a lot of bone break resistance due to their large bones, since that's how fractures are gonna work iirc @zenith onyx

[zenith onyx]

they wouldn't have made a model for diplodicus if they weren't planning on releasing it. I don't think Brachi is going to be 100% just AI. Eventually it will playable. Atleast most hope it will be playable, like the Pue was...

[left nacelle]

There's also a model for dakotaraptor and plateosaurus. Just cause there's a model doesn't mean it's confirmed

And as far as we know it's gonna remain AI, they have hinted that it could be playable, but we don't know for sure

[zenith onyx]

ik that. It highly likely though since there IS a model.

50 50

[left nacelle]

I wouldn't say that. There's a lot of models that have gone unused. Rugops is another example

[zenith onyx]

its getting a new model

[left nacelle]

Is it?

[zenith onyx]

i think so

[left nacelle]

Rugops or Diplo

[zenith onyx]

rugops

[left nacelle]

Where'd you hear this?

[zenith onyx]

it was in a stream, fozer was watching a developer edit the Allo model while it was doing running animation

he hinted at it

[left nacelle]

Hmm. I wouldn't say that's confirmation, but anyway. Even if Brachi stays AI, you'll be able to play as it on unofficial servers, just like how you'll be able to play as fish

[zenith onyx]

lol playing as fish, might as well call it feed, fish, and grow

[woeful knot]

@barren zephyr you can aim hypsi spit behind you while running by using alt look 🙂

[barren zephyr]

Guess that helps it, I just don’t see many people playing it later in development compared to all the other playable

[woeful knot]

I mean you get what you pay for. When I say pay I mean grow. Dying as one means nothing because it doesnt have a grow time.

I only play it when I have nothing else grown tbh

I dont think thats a bad thing. Or if i die and I wanna join back up with the squad for a bit

[silent current]

Amazing suggestion by Wendigo, ngl

[junior crow]

^

Pretty much said what I've been thinking

[warm flame]

what's saddest to me is that the devs are still unlikely to see that suggestion

we can only hope a dev is feeling curious today and looks in there

[silent current]

Yeah

And I'm not even surprised, judging by the stuff that gets posted here

[barren zephyr]

Wendigo I get what your saying but you do have to remember they are mostly working on updates and that feedback stuff like that comes 2nd after the updates. They do see the suggestions but don’t comment on them it because they usually want to get the ideas through the whole team before making any promises or anything

[noble pine]

Let me show you something

[silent current]

Channel is being completely bombarded with new creature suggestions and other not so important suggestions like that

[barren zephyr]

I have an idea.

Kick wendigo

No let him talk

ok

[vocal ingot]

imagine wanting to kick someone cuz u disagree with them

what a gamer

[noble pine]

The spino was posted over a year ago, the Carno was posted 2 months ago.

Tell me, does it look like anything’s changed?

[barren zephyr]

gamer xd

[fervent fable]

This isn’t the right channel to go on about this stuff
Take it to DMs

[barren zephyr]

Ok, I'll bugger off

[fervent fable]

Also Wendigo i agree with your feedback

[noble pine]

How in the hell can a running animation made before both of these, be 400x better than them

Carnos old running animations is phenomenal

Yet...

We get this, 2 years later

From the same person

[arctic nimbus]

Old Spino's run animation was perfect for its size

so was carnos

[barren zephyr]

Spino run looks like trash

[hidden compass]

Animations have change and it’s not in a good way.

[vocal ingot]

do u have the animation loop of the old one i cant tell the difference

[barren zephyr]

Literally it's weightless

[vocal ingot]

am too

[barren zephyr]

Well for one spino isn’t even out yet so we can’t do much about it and with carno I will say that I prefer the old animation and I do think they can improve upon the new animations

[dense wagon]

has it really been a year

[fervent fable]

At least it had weight tho

[hidden compass]

It doesn’t matter. The point is there is no acknowledgment of the criticism being handed to them.

[barren zephyr]

A Spinosaur run should be more of a fast paced stomping charge tbh

[hidden compass]

Therefor it in turn feels like everyone is ignored.

Which isn’t good.

[barren zephyr]

Do they need to go through every single feedback thing and acknowledge it

[fervent fable]

Idk Spino seems a little heavy to be a charger

[noble pine]

Let me see if I can find an old spino run and old Carno run

[barren zephyr]

A bit like how the JP rex runs

[fervent fable]

Oohh

[hidden compass]

Where did I say that they need to go through every single suggestion and acknowledge it?

[fervent fable]

Right, got you

[barren zephyr]

Well because you say they give no feedback at all

[arctic nimbus]

Old spino had the best run out of the other apexes

[barren zephyr]

It charges forward like the enraged predator it is.

But they have listened to feedback before

[hidden compass]

I didn’t say they didn’t.

[dense wagon]

they ignored us about the spaghetti tail even though 24 PEOPLE brought it up

[noble pine]

https://youtu.be/FMvTSNs6XJY

[hidden compass]

I was saying in relation to what wendigo is talking about.

Not in general.

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback-discussion message this

[hidden compass]

^^^^^

Again, in relation to the topics he mentioned.

Not in general.

[noble pine]

https://youtu.be/oQkDnZcPQsI

[barren zephyr]

Ok that would make more sense

[noble pine]

I hate sticky but here’s some Carno running and walking

[dense wagon]

carno tail is spagetti, and spino can lift itself off the ground somehow

[hidden compass]

^

Issues that seem to garner a lot of attention are the ones he’s talking about.

[dense wagon]

look at this shit, it's off the ground

[noble pine]

Float

[proud coral]

EUGH

[dense wagon]

[barren zephyr]

That spino run was all the way back when they had no plan for evrima

[hidden compass]

Which to be fair, if they are that big of an issue and so many people speak about it then they should be acknowledging that at the very least and listen.

[dense wagon]

^

[vocal ingot]

honestly i can still bearly tell the difference only thing i notice is that the old one wobbles so much it looks like its about to fall over

[fervent fable]

Btw sorry, when you were talking about it’s run i had irl
Spino in my mind, Evrima Spino is definitely capeable of it lol

[noble pine]

It’s not even that the animation itself is BAD, it’s the fact that it lacks the weight and it’s able to pick itself up effortlessly without anything shaking, jiggling or just basic muscle movements

[urban flax]

I was right, spino uses its sail to hover above the ground
That's accurate

But its old animations have too much weight. I mean, too much wiggle. It doesn't look very stable.

[dense wagon]

[proud coral]

I liked the wobble the old one had.

[dense wagon]

you mean legacy spino? it looked like a snake

but with legs and a giant sail

[noble pine]

Old spino is the perfect example of a multi ton dinosaur shifting its weight around

[barren zephyr]

You've got about 10 tons of dinosaur being shifted around

[noble pine]

It’s walking is all about shifting its weight, it’s run is a complete trip watching it literally move it’s body side to side as to not fall over

[hidden compass]

The weight in old spino’s walk alone.

[barren zephyr]

For comparison, an African elephant weighs 6

[urban flax]

Yeah, but too much vertical wiggle I mean. An animal this size shouldn't move its body that much

[dense wagon]

but with evrima spino, it looks like its.. well, levitating
there's no collision when its feet hit the ground, it's almost like swimming through air

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[urban flax]

Just imagine the effort needed to lift it up with each step

[proud coral]

☝️

[noble pine]

Elephants are also quadrupeds

Making it easier for them

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[hidden compass]

Stop using birds for walk cycle ideas.

[barren zephyr]

And they can't gallop like stego can, which is more or less equal in weight.

[cedar pulsar]

that old spino walk animation was made in 2016 and it still holds up decently
I would just be happy if they gave carno its old run back, just to show that they do listen to the feedback

[urban flax]

But The Isle's stego has adamantium bones. Hence the wallow animation.

[noble pine]

^^^^^^

[barren zephyr]

Avian dinosaurs aren't such a great comparision for non-avian dinosaurs.

[noble pine]

Just because birds are dinosaurs doesn’t mean a 10 ton spinosaurus should walk or run like one

[hidden compass]

Exactly lol.

[urban flax]

Birds are a good basis, as long as they don't just stick to it and rather try to adapt it to multi-ton animals

[cedar pulsar]

Birds work for the smaller species such as troodon and Hypsi and maybe up to Utah size but it doesn’t really work past there

[barren zephyr]

Birds might be good for leg study since they're similar in structure
But never for direct reference
Dinos had large tails that were stiff for balancing
The tails had muscle and were rigid, not noodles

For starters, birds obviously have a short tail (with the fan composed of feathers attached to a base)

[safe galleon]

I just want old legacy carno anims 😔

[noble pine]

Birds are so capable of doing things Dinosaurs simply can’t because they’re more light weight

[nova anchor]

old carno run was so fucking good why did they ruin it

[barren zephyr]

Old carno run just needed a more stable head and neck, then it'd be perfect

Some of the designs are also just

[warm flame]

they upsized carno in evrima so it could be fast, if they had kept the long strides of legacy carno they wouldn't have had to

[urban flax]

I may be optimistic, but I believe they're going to start to look more in-depth into the animations once they have a decent fleshed-out game

[barren zephyr]

Well the thing is I don’t know 100% on this. It I don’t think they can just copy a animation over to a new model they need to make a new one altogether

[noble pine]

I like spino, I don’t mind anky, austro is literally disgusting, magy is fine, Alberto just needs some neck and head touch ups, same with acro.

[warm flame]

they did it with alberto

[barren zephyr]

Austro is a prime example, with it's flesh/cartilage/bone flaps brows

Worst case scenario, levitated spinos are final product

[urban flax]

As of now, devs are torn between adding new content, fixing critical bugs, and doing so quickly enough so that the community doesn't complain too much

[barren zephyr]

When?

[cedar pulsar]

these over the top as shit designs really contradict some of the other ones

[noble pine]

Austro is adorable in legacy, now it looks like a shitty villains evil pet.

[warm flame]

sub rex and alberto have the same animations

[hybrid matrix]

giga has this weird dip at the base of its neck and (my opinion) the crest is a little bland but other than that i dont rlly mind the new giga

[barren zephyr]

And I don't believe the statement that they're feathers, they obviously don't bloody look like them.

[nova anchor]

ngl the legacy austro was kinda stinky

[barren zephyr]

No they don’t

[nova anchor]

new concept art is bad too

[noble pine]

It’s not good good but it’s decent

[nova anchor]

yeah it's better than the concept art

[barren zephyr]

The playstlyle is basically the same but the animations are not the same

[warm flame]

I'm talking about in legacy

[barren zephyr]

Austroraptor is one of the largest dromaeosaurs (if Unenlaginae is included as a part of Dromaeosauridae)

Ik

[warm flame]

look at their animations side by side, they're the same, or atleast to the old sub rex

[dense wagon]

but somehow in legacy it gets one shotted by utah lmao
granted it's a sandbox dino

[noble pine]

What is

[warm flame]

albertos animations

[noble pine]

Sub rex and Alberto use the same animations

[warm flame]

minus the roars and idle because those have changed overtime

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of roars, i rlly hope giga doesnt get new roars as an adult bc the old ones were terrifying

[junior crow]

really hope with Alberto and Acro redesigns they are doing they are taking into consideration of the fan made edits such as the Alberto one made by Nova

[dense wagon]

ngl when i first heard them and i was new to the game i thought hypo

[cedar pulsar]

complaints like this have been out since update two released 2 months ago and nothing has changed hardly
it gets angering after a while when it feels like your talking to a void

[noble pine]

I’m waiting for someone from QA to hop in and try and say I’m wrong

[warm flame]

them giga roars are

[noble pine]

I have so much proof.

[hybrid matrix]

thats y they should never change

also

[barren zephyr]

Giga is getting new roars most likely
I also find it likely that people will not like them
Just like with carno roars

[hybrid matrix]

and this is the most important thing in the history of the game

[barren zephyr]

The Devs don't give a flying fuck, which is really disappointing.

[hybrid matrix]

they better bring back the old rex roars

or else

[noble pine]

They do about the game, they don’t about our opinions

[warm flame]

there is one time where the dev team listened and that was the carno's sit animations, but then ofc they still messed up that sit

[hybrid matrix]

those old rex roars were perfect

[noble pine]

I made that point in my feedback

[hybrid matrix]

just like gigas roars

[dense wagon]

we have a reason for not liking carno anims
jiggly body, jiggly tail even though the caudal vertebrae was stiff af

[cedar pulsar]

it’s because all they seemingly listen to is their precious little QA team instead of the public who is literally roaring at them to just make a relatively minor change

[barren zephyr]

What about the broken rib stego?

[warm flame]

we don't talk about that

[dense wagon]

I don't like that either

but it's a super easy fix isn't it
just slow that part of the wallow down

[cedar pulsar]

exactly

[noble pine]

The things we ask for are tiny changes, we don’t ask for a lot, there are some amazing edits from the community out of there of current concept dinos, use them.

[dense wagon]

^

[cedar pulsar]

^^^

[barren zephyr]

Why bother with a QA team anyway

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of small edits, i just wanna see wut the old giga crests would look like on the new giga's head

[dense wagon]

because things need testing soup

[cedar pulsar]

it’s not like it’s changing a whole game mechanic, it’s literally just asking for small changes that would improve things massively

[nova anchor]

I mean of course they should listen to QA too but they should also value the feedback of the community

[barren zephyr]

PCE has open testing i, but yet again pce is worse

[nova anchor]

"ready"

the success of PCE is debatable

[barren zephyr]

Fuck I had some random typo

[dense wagon]

don't compare that to the isle

[noble pine]

PCE is really good compared to this

[cedar pulsar]

QA is important but at this point it’s like they’re just giving the middle finger to the amazing feedback the public has brought

[noble pine]

Dinosauriac actually listens

[vocal ingot]

PCE?

[warm flame]

the reason things in legacy are so poorly balanced is because they never tested anything, they atleast do that in evrima

[dense wagon]

primal carnage extinction

[nova anchor]

QA is a good thing, the only bad thing is that they are listening to QA but not the community

[barren zephyr]

Doesn't listen to shitposters like me wanting to get unbanned after discord's highly sensitive moderators kick us out.

[dense wagon]

omfg primal can

[nova anchor]

primal can

[barren zephyr]

Anyway back to main topic.

[noble pine]

Yeah but that’s not a fault of the game

That’s just the rules

[silent current]

And about actual balance changes, he only listens to absentians

[dense wagon]

^^^

[cedar pulsar]

QA is very important but it’s aggravating when it feels like your yelling at one of those emperors who uses earplugs so he can’t hear criticism

[noble pine]

Let’s not get into primal, they do a good job over there, we do a decent job over here

Let’s focus on isle

[dense wagon]

who knows, maybe they just don't notice

..ah who am i kidding it's ignorance

[proud coral]

I'd just like for them to at least acknowledge the feedback

[cedar pulsar]

I’ve had this game going on 5 years now and it is delighting me to see it have this new stuff, but I have a hard time seeing it’s long term success when these developers just refuse to actually even acknowledge the big ass community that is telling them to just make minor changes

[noble pine]

They do sometimes, and I mentioned that, but most of the time it’s just ignored

[dense wagon]

they do listen sometimes

but i find that comes from QA reading the suggestions, and then passing it on to the devs

[noble pine]

The animals that need changes the most either didn’t get it or haven’t been mentioned (austro and anky)

[nova anchor]

they definitely do listen sometimes but I think most of the time it feels like feedback is just ignored

[noble pine]

Alberto and acro are getting tweaked apparently

[dense wagon]

they rarely listen to the community directly, its just qa

[junior crow]

Really hope the Alberto looks like Nova's edit

[noble pine]

Same

[cedar pulsar]

id like to believe they are gonna surprise us with new and improved animations but I just don’t know

[noble pine]

ahsoka

[nova anchor]

:)

[barren zephyr]

I've mentioned the austro before

[junior crow]

I think the best thing regarding animations would be to release an update with changes to animations of the playables in game once other major issues have been looked into such as Desync. But, more importantly these animation issues should be looked into if the majority of the community discusses their problems with them when they are first showcased

[noble pine]

What they need is more animators

[cedar pulsar]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

and more ppl that have time to listen to wut the community says

[dense wagon]

how did i not notice wendigo and ethonodon have anakin and ahsoka pfps

[cedar pulsar]

they could have Bryan for the little critters since he’s got all his birds and such
but there needs to be improvement on the big guys

[noble pine]

Some of them do listen

It’s the majority

[dense wagon]

who did legacy spino anims

[hybrid matrix]

no i mean more community managers

[noble pine]

Bryan

[dense wagon]

if bryan did them, he is capable

[noble pine]

Same person who did evrima spino animations

So I’m like

What happened bro

[cedar pulsar]

The legacy spino animations were done in late 2016 when progression was around

[dense wagon]

he started using his emu for inspiration

for like, everything

[nova anchor]

honestly most of the new spino anims are fine, my biggest problem is the weird floaty thing in the walk

[hybrid matrix]

the one thing i find strange about the new spino is the crouch

its like its not even trying to hide

i dont like my dinosaurs cocky

i like them when they're realistic about how well they're hidden

[analog ingot]

thats cause its too big to crouch i think, looks more intimidating while its head is low

[barren zephyr]

Well I feel apex’s shouldn’t be able to crouch when your that big

[hybrid matrix]

i kno

but still

if u cant crouch then y even bother trying

[noble pine]

The crouch would probably be how an actual theropod would crouch

[barren zephyr]

They would just fall down if they tried

[analog ingot]

imagine seeing an elephant crouch xD

[hybrid matrix]

silly spoon

[noble pine]

Rex does it

[hybrid matrix]

hence y they shouldnt try at all

[nova anchor]

sneak

[noble pine]

All of the large theropods will crouch like this

[hybrid matrix]

honestly if u get killed by a crouching spino then thats on u

[dense wagon]

mmhmm
their legs don't bend like that so it's the next best thing

legacy crouches were even more cursed lets be real

[hybrid matrix]

ok but the point is spino shouldnt even try at that point

[nova anchor]

sneak

[barren zephyr]

It shouldn’t be able to crouch much in the first place

[hybrid matrix]

if u physically cant get low enough to properly hide, then why bother

[hybrid matrix]

^

[analog ingot]

I think its a nice intimidation pose so i want it + we dont know if its going to have a meaning later on

[dense wagon]

crouch isn't just making your body lower
it's also quieter and more careful footsteps, so it isn't pointless

[fervent fable]

Remove crouch make it so the animal makes its body
Slighter lower than its walk height

[nova anchor]

sneak

[noble pine]

The jungles thick enough that the crouch is fine

[hybrid matrix]

i kno but still

[proud coral]

New Rex crouch is terrifying

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of which

[dense wagon]

agreed

[hybrid matrix]

how can the trees be so dense and yet theres tons of bushes??

thats not how plants work

[barren zephyr]

Oh god I hate the current jungles

[noble pine]

It’s a game

[dense wagon]

yeah it does not make sense

[hybrid matrix]

either u have dense trees, or dense foliage

cant have both

[dense wagon]

bruh unrealistic environments ruins the immersion

[hybrid matrix]

yeah its just a game thats why we have rhino anky

[barren zephyr]

The trees and stuff are too close together

[hybrid matrix]

there should be 2 jungles

[noble pine]

Also, small beams of sunlight can allow many things to grow

[proud coral]

Current jungles are pretty egh

[hybrid matrix]

open trees with dense bushes, or dense trees with few bushes

[noble pine]

Not really, it’s better than legacy where everything is 600 feet away

[nova anchor]

I agree the jungles suck but biggest priority shouldn't be having 100% accurate vegetation growth

[hybrid matrix]

i kno but it should at least be somewhat accurate

[nova anchor]

it also shouldn't be a priority

[barren zephyr]

I just feel we should be able to actually see what’s in front of us instead of just a mesh of brown, dark green, black

[dense wagon]

no..
you need sunlight and sufficient nutrients from the soil
trees and bushes can't be dominant at the same time

[analog ingot]

dw, devs are looking for a highly pro mapper, so hopefully we'll be getting better enviorments

[fervent fable]

Honestly we need Ask-A-Dev chat back

[dense wagon]

small beams of sunlight can support a few shrubs here and there but not on that scale

[hybrid matrix]

that was a thing??

[fervent fable]

It was a thing until it stopped

[noble pine]

Also keep in mind our current map isn’t well set up at all, it’s literally just thrown together blob

[hybrid matrix]

:(

[barren zephyr]

The whole chat would be
When is the update, When is the update, When is the update, When is the update, When is the update,

[hybrid matrix]

i understand that, but eventually they gotta fix it

[hybrid matrix]

asking for ETA's is against the rules

[dense wagon]

jungles should look like this imo
moss everywhere but the dominant vegetation is trees

[fervent fable]

It was like a server event where you ask a question or
Post a suggestion and the ones with the most ticks would get answered

[hybrid matrix]

ah ok

[nova anchor]

yeah the map in general is bad, but it's playable and there are more pressing concerns that should be dealt with first

[barren zephyr]

I totally agree with this

[analog ingot]

idk jungles can be pretty dense

[hybrid matrix]

yes but there should also be other jungles that have less dense trees and more foliage

[hybrid matrix]

look at how far apart the trees are though

[hybrid matrix]

the trees in our current jungles arent that far apart

[dense wagon]

sure, like the ones milk just posted

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[nova anchor]

jungle can be dense and still have bush

[proud coral]

Isle's jungles right now just feel like trees and foliage randomly mashed together.

[analog ingot]

cause it is

[hybrid matrix]

those r ferns not huge plants

also

[dense wagon]

there can be dominant shrubbery or trees

depending on the place on the map

[analog ingot]

its all WIP except like swamp trees which are hand made...and a few others iirc

[hybrid matrix]

the trees in that pic arent as dense as the ones in evrima (the canopy i mean)

[dense wagon]

i'd also love to see some redwood forests thrown in there.. idk how that would work biome wise tho since it's a tropical island.. but it would still be pretty awesome

[hybrid matrix]

u cant just say that dense foliage can go here bc the trunks are spread out, the canopy cannot be a thick sheet of leaves, a lot of sunlight has to get through it

[barren zephyr]

I personally don’t like the idea of a smaller map

[dense wagon]

then we need more players

[hybrid matrix]

wait its gonna get smaller? i thought it was gonna get bigger

[barren zephyr]

It’s getting smaller

[barren zephyr]

And I hate the idea of it getting smaller

[nova anchor]

why is it getting smaller wtf

[analog ingot]

Same here, spero where u at 🖐️

[nova anchor]

map size is fine as is

[noble pine]

How to kill pc in seconds

We want spero

Where is it dondi

[hybrid matrix]

[noble pine]

[silver zephyr]

salty are you thinking of the smaller map or the map itself getting smaller?

[analog ingot]

its not getting smaller, we are getting a smaller map

[silver zephyr]

cause last time the map got smaller it got almost instantly reverted lol

[dense wagon]

i don't think it's getting smaller, it's already gotten smaller