general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Yeah unsettling to see the “peaceful” animals go berserk

Quiet kid moment

[dapper pulsar]

Seeing a bigger T-Rex with tusks murder something is just "Yeah, that would do that." but seeing a mutated Stego brutally attack another of it's kind is pretty fucked

[paper oriole]

The unnatural behaviour just makes it scarier and isn't the isle supposed to be scary?

“The island is designed to kill you” shouldnt just mean half of it

[dapper pulsar]

The Isle is currently a reverse horror game with survival elements.

Well, that's how I see it.

[dry osprey]

Hyper Magy should turn into a cama, that would b pretty funny

[paper oriole]

Lmao like it would literally just transform into cama ngl that'd be funny shit

[dry osprey]

"I'm you, but better"

[dapper pulsar]

I would have nothing but respect for this game if that happened.

[frail pivot]

Just Imagine hyper anky

Now that is the real ‘the living tank’

[dapper pulsar]

It ain't a tank, it's a fortress that occasionally moves.

[paper oriole]

Isnt that the tisso anky

He hot tho

[dapper pulsar]

That hypo

[barren zephyr]

If it's a hypo, it'd need to constantly need to be on the move to feed

[paper oriole]

O dam. He lookin like the meanest trilobite

[dapper pulsar]

Tisso and Neuro

What if it just doesn't use that much energy until attacking

[paper oriole]

Oof the tisso look even freakier but that must just be me hating needles lmao

[dapper pulsar]

Tisso Stego is where it's at.

[paper oriole]

I'd rather deal with mr warhammer than the pinhead

[dapper pulsar]

who you callin' pin head?

[paper oriole]

Hyper is dirty dan

[dapper pulsar]

Genuine question, knife face or the forbidden water melon?

[paper oriole]

Hellraiser anky all the way

[dapper pulsar]

I can see where you're coming from

You could just sit on the big dud

[paper oriole]

Knife face is freaky but needles just unsettle me lol

[dapper pulsar]

And if he kills you it'd be instant

I wanna see Tisso Theri real bad

[barren zephyr]

I dislike strains, and in general the depiction of dinosaurs as monsters in a survival game where you literally are one.

[dapper pulsar]

I mean, I'm not all in on them either but if they're gonna have them why restrict it to only carnis?

[paper oriole]

I like strains as a concept but i dislike them too since the already more-played faction is the only one getting them

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Strains, humans etc can be disabled by server owners anyway when the time comes for those who want a more realistic play

[dapper pulsar]

Also anorexic stego with acid bite is pretty sick

[paper oriole]

Rogue assassin stego

[barren zephyr]

I'd gladly add strains as AI only

[dapper pulsar]

I'd like if the normal dinos were normal, and the strains were the monsters

[barren zephyr]

Mainly for the sake of making them an environmental threat rather than a player controlled one.

[dapper pulsar]

and if strains did not effect the creation of a regular design at all.

[paper oriole]

Yeah i wish they didnt monsterfy the normal dinos

Spino cough cough

[dapper pulsar]

I think AI strains could work.

It'd remove some of the human stupidity that'd kinda destroy the fear aspect

Maybe the strain plants(if they're still a thing) just kill you and spit out an AI guy

However, I do wanna play buff Cerato

[azure wadi]

Ai only strains

[dapper pulsar]

I'm sure Youtubers would also get them

I said could.

[left nacelle]

@thin stag The diet system will force some animals to live in the swamp. Dondi mentioned in the past that tenonto's main food will be exclusively in the middle of the swamp

[thin stag]

Ohh true, I'd say both Teno and Liso could live in the swamps as their niches are different, maybe Teno feeding more on the outskirts of it while Liso feeds in its center

[left nacelle]

Well tenonto's food is going to be on islands in the swamp. And I don't know how Liso could live in the swamp if Spino is also living there

[warm flame]

^ that's why I disagreed with it

spino's basically a hippodile

[thin stag]

I mean, how's a Teno supposed to deal with a Deino? Swamp water is super murky

[warm flame]

by running away

slamming it's head

[thin stag]

Deinos attacks by surprise, there's no running away if it grabs you

[left nacelle]

Tenonto can easily outrun deino, so deino's only way of catching a tenono is by catching it off guard

[warm flame]

if a teno is caught by a deino that's technically it's fault for letting it's guard down

[thin stag]

Then Lisos could see a Spino and simply swim away, plus they're supposed to live in big groups

[warm flame]

looks a little fat to outrun a spino

[left nacelle]

Looks a little fat to swim too. I think it would be walking on the bottom like hippos do

[thin stag]

Hippos are really fast once in water

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but they can't float

[warm flame]

spino does the same thing tho

or is going to be

making spinos a massive counter to lisos

[thin stag]

I mean, it's not that bad for a creature to have counters, and Liso should only really fear adult spinos, which would be a minority due to the time it takes to grow apexes

[left nacelle]

But with the size of the swamp, I feel like even a single adult spino would be enough to keep lisos from living there

[warm flame]

liso wouldn't be able to do really anything against a spino though, it'd need some sort of defense against one

[safe galleon]

having 1 bad matchup against an apex shouldn't really undermine 1 creature that otherwise looks interesting and cool

also when taking into account that apex won't be as frequent as in legacy and how big the map is a lico wouldn't probably have a hard time meeting a spino

[thin stag]

Safety in groups, and if a Spino is able to drive a whole group of Lisos away, then nothing else is even supposed to live with Spino

[warm flame]

while safety in numbers is always helpful, it means it has to rely on other people to play as it which may be a problem for it

[thin stag]

I mean, safety in groups is almost exclusively to defend itself from Spino, I see its individual power really good for almost any other situation except being caught out of water by another apex

[left nacelle]

But then how do you survive on your own at all?

If there's a spino in the swamp, and you're vulnerable on land, then what?

[warm flame]

I would normally suggest burrowing but it's wayyyy too big for that

[thin stag]

There's lots of places to hide in the swamp, with the water being as deep as it can be there , even a Liso could hide submerged

[left nacelle]

But.. then a spino would just walk up and grab it. Since spino will walk on the bottom of the water

[thin stag]

I mean, Spino would have to deal with other swam creatures too, I don't see Liso having an unfavorable matchup against a Spino making it unplayable.

[warm flame]

deino could be a problem too since while the liso is walking at the bottom a deino could just bite it's back, and before you say that spino has the same issue, spino is faster on land so can just go on land to avoid them and it can take the hits too

[thin stag]

Liso could tank hits too, it has the bulk. And it has a nasty bite too

And drowning it wouldn't be an easy way to kill one if it's semi aquatic

[warm flame]

if it can land the bite, and while bulky idk if it's bulky enough to take the hits from a deino, especially considering the deino's bene upscaled

[thin stag]

I guess we'll have to see, but Liso could also be upscaled a lil bit

[warm flame]

to get upscaled enough to not die to a spino it'd become an aquatic trike

[left nacelle]

I also don't really see the point in Liso. The swamp will already have a nice amount of creatures. It'll have deino, beipi, sucho, bary, austro, spino, and the occasional herbivore who will come to feed

[warm flame]

^

a better choice other than liso would honestly be making trike be able to live in water like the skerr buffalo or however it's spelled

[thin stag]

What herbivores are going to come to feed with two macro predators? I only really see the occasional Teno there

[warm flame]

this guy

[left nacelle]

Tenonto's are going to need to come there to eat their food. If they don't, they'll have a poor diet and suffer from it

[silent current]

pretty cool idea for lisowicia, the epic animal

[warm flame]

and if they add iguanodon it'll prolly be made to do the same thing as teno

[hexed badger]

Is that the buffalo from Kong: Skull Island?

[silent current]

yes

[thin stag]

That's what I don't understand, it's going to get eaten whole by any competent Deino

[left nacelle]

Not if they can avoid the deinos. There won't always be deinos sitting and waiting

[warm flame]

ye, was bringing it as a possible idea for trike

[warm flame]

what I said, if a teno is killed by a deino it's the teno's fault for letting it's guard down

[thin stag]

I mean, If a spino is enough to control one swamp as you said, I'd say 1~2 deinos are enough to dominate the waters of a swamp too, besides, you really aren't going to see any good deinos players until it's too late, just check #phase-two-archive , and that was just normal water

The pteras there didn't see nor hear the deino approaching

[left nacelle]

I didn't mean a spino could control the swamp, but it would be hard to stay there long without the spino eventually finding you. Which is why deinos and spinos aren't an issue for Tenonto, cause it can just go there, eat and leave

And again, I don't see why they would spend $7000+ on Liso when there isn't really much of a reason to add it

[warm flame]

to avoid that the pteras could've put their camera in the water or just not taken the bait

[left nacelle]

Yeah in that phase 2 video, it was the pteras fault for not being cautious

[warm flame]

^

[left nacelle]

Half the people who watched the video were expecting there to be a deino in the water

[warm flame]

again, if you die to a deino it's your fault for letting your guard down

[thin stag]

I mean, Liso could just take the river and go elsewhere

[warm flame]

judging by the phase 2 video liso wouldn't be alone in rivers, spinos could follow too

[left nacelle]

But then that contradicts your suggestion. You said about it living in the swamp

[thin stag]

There's more than one swamp, Liso can probably switch between them as it pleases

[warm flame]

just like deino and spino, there's nothing stopping them from following too

infact deino would do better in a river because it could look like a log floating, as long as it goes the right way

[thin stag]

And that's Ok, Liso can take a Deino, and I don't see Spino being able to outstam a Liso

[warm flame]

I think a deino would win considering liso would have limited mobility and have the back as a weak spot

[thin stag]

Why would a Liso have limited mobility? Sure, it's slow on land, but it still would have the upper hand there against a Deino

[warm flame]

because of, not to fat shame, how fat it is

hippos have limited mobility as well

and liso looks like a prehistoric hippo

[thin stag]

Being fat would actually help it, maybe it being too heavy for a Deino to grab consistently, and as long as the Liso sees the Deino, it just goes into land, Deinos aren't really supposed to hunt on land

And a stomp attack for the Liso would also make land combat against Deinos even better for it

[warm flame]

or worse considering trike's stomp attack in legacy

[thin stag]

Ew legacy

[warm flame]

a stomp attack for a liso could be used against it

faked into a stomp and gets it's ass bitten

and yes that would be the liso's fault but not exacly like it could facetank a deino while biting either

[thin stag]

Then it's a matchup that entirely depends on ability, and that's good

[warm flame]

and in ability deino would win

if the fight started in water chances are the liso would be wounded enough for the deino to finish off on land

if the liso was on land then the deino wouldn't even try until the liso went in water

[dapper pulsar]

I like Liso. Upvote.

[warm flame]

oh and also judging by the deino being able to grab a stego it could probably grab a liso too
though hopefully this is changed

[thin stag]

I'd guess grabbing takes more stam the heavier the target is, and that along Liso being semi aquatic would make grabbing redundant, I'd say pure force is a reliable strategy to kill a Liso, but Liso could also give brute force, maybe breaking bones?

That would make any Deino think twice, bc meat smell would attract other carnivores, and if the Deino has broken bones it can't defend it's catch

[warm flame]

breaking bones could help it against deino but it'd still need a defense against spino

I would say it could charge into a spino and break some bones of the spino but I think it'd be too slow for that

[thin stag]

If broken bones slow down the target, I'd say a Liso could break Spino's bones then flee

[warm flame]

if it could gain the momentum and the strength needed

[tepid gate]

@elder rivet I'm just going to point out that currently Tyrannosaurus rex is theorised to have hunted that exact way - by walking after things and doing so very fast and just trotting them down to a large extent. You also worry unnecessarily about things like "it will trot down your giga". How do you know Rex will even have the upper hand after both of these theropods are released? Besides all that, you run away from Rex to break the line of sight and then cover your tracks. As Evrima is right now I'd be more worried about this playstyle being underpowered rather than overpowered.

[elder rivet]

Giga would have to run to escape that trotting rex and would eventually run out of stam and be trotted down, and if giga even gets a trot faster than that then it's going to crumble midtiers to pieces like it did in legacy. And if you had to mask your footprints in order to escape a rex, then midtiers would be eventually catched by rexes with it being just a matter of time

[tepid gate]

How do you know Giga will have to be running away from Rex in Evrima?

And no, you don't have to trot faster than something to escape it, especially not in Evrima.

[elder rivet]

Because the current trot would be unmatched by the rex's new trot, which is why i put the "and if giga even gets a trot faster than that"

[tepid gate]

I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to say - why do you think Giga will HAVE TO be running away from Rex in Evrima? We don't know how the balance between the apexes is going to be like but there's no reason to think Rex is going to be the strongest of the three and hunt the other two actively like it does in the legacy.

[elder rivet]

well, if you have less standard speed than something and you specialize in trotting, while only being able to kill that thing by getting a jump on it(which you can't do because you're the hunted one) then the only thing you can do is trot away

[tepid gate]

No, it's not, you just run away, break the line of sight, wallow, covering your tracks and that's the last you've seen of it.

[elder rivet]

Not if it tracks you down and finds you wallowing because it has a stupid fast trot

[tepid gate]

The trot might be fast but it's nowhere near fast enough to even approach the speeds at which the animals run in Evrima.

So no, unless you're like running as an Anky it aint catching you like that.

[elder rivet]

This is not about the midtiers when talking about rex, this is about giga and rex. It is all just like making rex be the endurance one with slow speed and high stamina and making giga be the fast one with low stamina and slow trot

[tepid gate]

Right - again why do you think Giga will have to be running away from the Rex in that scenario?

Rex currently has the slower trot and less stamina, do you see it running away from Giga?

[elder rivet]

Because he wouldn't out-trot the rex without just overwhelming midtiers

[hexed badger]

If it can fight Rex, it doesn’t have to run, does it?

[tepid gate]

^

The apexes will hopefully have an equal chance of killing one another rather than having one(Rex) actively hunt the other two.

[elder rivet]

It can't exactly fight rex that well because of the turn in place mechanic. If you get a jump on a rex and get a few bites in before he manages to bite back, then you can empty his blood pool and eventually kill him. If you don't get the jump on it, it will always keep his head pointed at you in a fight and won't give you an opening to attack

[hexed badger]

Where does that come from? We don’t know how a fight between them will go in evrima

[tepid gate]

How do you know how the match up between these two is going to be in Evrima?

[hexed badger]

^

[elder rivet]

If it wasn't like that then giga would just facetank rex instead of play smart; The rex would not be bled out if you're dead and not able to keep him on the edge of his seat, and therefore would have to avoid bites to bleed him out, but you can't have an opening because he will always have his head pointed at you

[tepid gate]

That's... how legacy works, fights in Evrima aren't like that at all.

[hexed badger]

We don’t know anything about how Giga fights in evrima

We don’t know anything about how Giga fights in evrima

[tepid gate]

^

We don't know anything about how either is going to fight in Evrima

[elder rivet]

Why would fights in evrima not be like that? And we do know that giga will be a bleeder

[tepid gate]

Because they are far more about who can aim their attacks better and position themselves better during combat. They aren't about "bite this guy/stay on his tail" and so on.

[elder rivet]

In legacy, it was about positioning as well, and you also will be able to stay on a person's tail for a while since not everything will turn lightning fast like utah does

[hexed badger]

And way more complex than "bite bite bite"

[elder rivet]

Tenonto has a giant tail great for combat, and a lot of claws and speed. Stego has also a giant tail for combat that rewards aiming correctly and predicting since it's damage doesn't start as the animation does. Utah needs to pounce creatures and dodge other pounces themselves. Carno has to predict where something is going in order to ram them down.
If it was way more complex than "bite bite bite" then why are carno matchups so awkward and boring since you either run away from something or run after something?

[hexed badger]

You telling me spamming bite attack and tailriding is more complex?

Also, because one creature isn’t that complex, it means that everything is not complex?

[elder rivet]

Aren't you the one telling me that(- the tailriding part)? Carno matchups aren't complex, because carno isn't nimble to jump around and pounce on stuff while dodging attacks himself, his attack method is really quick not rewarding actual aiming and precision, which are things the creatures i listed don't have and neither giga has, since giga has a bite and a tail slam/swipe would just look stupid on him

[hexed badger]

Yes, carno isn’t complex, but still evrima’s fight system is more complex. Now, compare legacy and evrima fights

[elder rivet]

Yes evrima fights are more complex due to no assriding, but the turn of something like a rex isn't really fast so you could still bite the rex's ass and get off instead of spam biting the tail of it

[hexed badger]

I don’t think it will be like that. Otherwise, it would be like legacy Rex

[tepid gate]

I have no idea where you get the idea that the apexes won't be turning fast from. Deinosuchus is pretty much an apex at this point at it turns just fine.

The devs haven't made a single indication about apexes turning slowly in the game. Overall you base your ideas way too much on how the legacy works.

[elder rivet]

It would look stupid for them to turn like a utah, and while deino turning fast looks stupid(since a small tap makes you launch your head backwards) it isn't far from realistic

There's also the fact that just carno's turn makes you able to get at most one bite in and run away if they make apexes turn fast like that

[tepid gate]

I don't see why T.rex ought to be turning slower than Carno. Irl it could very likely turn better(tyrannosaurids specifically were among the most maneuverable and agile theropods).

Every animal in the game turns well, if one would turn bad it would just be fodder. Hell even a well turning theropod would be fodder in Evrima right now without some mechanics that would allow it to fight back against Utah packs

[elder rivet]

I'm talking about our current evrima carno with it's stupid turn, not what a realistic carno would be

[dire ridge]

Stupid turn ?

[tepid gate]

Yes, I'm also turning about Evrima Carno. If any theropod is supposed to turn badly in Evrima we can just get right off it before it's even added.

Stego has a kind of bad turn rate but it can more or less handle itself because it has a large AoE attack(and even then they get dumpstered by competent Utahs).

And even then that turn isn't bad by legacy standards.

[elder rivet]

Rex turning like current carno would just need him to clip his stomach into his legs, rex is chonky and carno's not that much

[tepid gate]

It wouldn't

You just literally turn your body around in place, you don't have to push your legs into your stomach at all.

[elder rivet]

the movement our carno does would need a rex to clip it's stomach into the legs

If it weren't to do that it would need to spin around like our teno does which would just look stupid for such a large thing to waste such energy for turning around, when it could just trample whatever's behind it

[glass mulch]

@wintry pollen mapusaurus would be pretty useless with both giga and acro in the game

[tepid gate]

Carno doesn't do anything while turning around that would make Rex's legs clip into its body, I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm looking at its turning animation as I'm writing this.

[arctic nimbus]

@wintry pollen Maybe as a skin, but its basically giga that gained a few pounds so not as a new animal

[glass mulch]

What neurodox said

[tepid gate]

Mapu doesn't even work as a skin, the differences between Mapu and Giga are so small that unless you're really into carcharodontosaurids you won't even be able to tell the two apart.

...and even if you are it will be quite a challenge to recognise them

[elder rivet]

It does, not only carno is less chunky/skinnier but it also pushes itself to it's limits while doing that meaning a rex would clip it's legs. And there's also the fact that even with that turn nothing's stopping a giga from biting once and leaving

[tepid gate]

No, it doesn't, it just casually shifts its weight onto one of its legs while turning to the side.

[elder rivet]

Are you doing the 180º turn or the 90º one

[tepid gate]

90 of course

[elder rivet]

then do the 180 degrees one, the animations change depending on which degrees it is

[tepid gate]

it just lifts the leg in its hip joint next to its body with 180... why would that cause clipping in the Rex?

[elder rivet]

Because if the rex were to do that, then he would turn fast. But to turn as fast as a carno while doing that then it would clip it's legs into it's body, and still my point is that even while turning that fast you can bite once and run off

[tepid gate]

Overall you're looking to find problems in places that really don't have them, if there's an issue with clipping for the turning rex then they will adjust the animation. I don't see how that has anything to do with the speed of the animation anyways since it's just the thing that the animal does regardless of its turn rate. If you decreased Carno's turn rate and made it take 2 seconds to do the 180 in place it would still do that exact animation.

No, it wouldn't, whatever the animal does has no effect on how fast it turns, this is just the animation of it that plays while it's turning around.

[elder rivet]

Why not talk about how a giga would be able to bite a rex once and run off if it's right in the rex's tail even with that turn

[tepid gate]

Cool, that's a clear hit for the Giga then, gj it hit the Rex without getting hit itself, now continue to do that and you will kill it if you can keep hitting the Rex without it hitting you.

(Although tail is a x0.25 locational damage so you might have to do that quite a lot to actually take someone down)

[solar salmon]

@wintry pollen Mapusaurus is basically the same thing as Giga/Carchar.

[wintry pollen]

Suppose it's very similar and same family

[solar salmon]

yea

It wouldn't really be able to have a different playstyle either

[wintry pollen]

Also a bit different though

Yeah would be similar play style but I feel like mapusaurus would be more of a pack hunter than even giga

[solar salmon]

still, why not just have Giga in packs then?

it's gonna be Giga but in pack

[wintry pollen]

Oh yeah ofc giga packed also

[solar salmon]

I don't think that's a good idea

[wintry pollen]

Idk lol

I think mapusaurus would look more badass lmao

[elder rivet]

Mapu's like acro sized, so that makes him even more redundant

[wintry pollen]

Giga is nice, but , idk

@elder rivet ?

[solar salmon]

Mapu is really cool, but it would be too similar to Giga.

[elder rivet]

Mapu being acro sized makes it be like acro but with a different model

[wintry pollen]

Yeah

[elder rivet]

It would work as a skin for acro but as another playable it wouldn't really make sense

[wintry pollen]

Suppose your right idk it was just a thought that's all

[tepid gate]

@elder rivet Mapusaurus isn't Acro sized, the largest Mapusaurus found in the bonebed is about the same size as the Giga holotype, it's larger than Acro by close to a tonne.

As for Mapu being added - I disagree with it looking better than Giga. The differences between the two are very subtle, with Mapusaurus having a deeper maxilla yet less robust mandible, and relatively smaller forearms.

If you were to see them one to another Pablo, you'd most likely not recognise them. Mapu doesn't work even as a skin, the only large carcharodontosaur that could work as a skin for Giga is the Carcharodontosaur itself probably because there's some basis to make it look different from Giga(even though the current evidence seems to suggest the two were more similar to one another than previously thought)

[ashen wasp]

Even so, I'd hesitate to advocate for Mapusaurus's inclusion in The Isle-- if only for the reasons that A. We seem to already have a surplus of large carnivores with similar playstyles and effects on their environments, and B. The costs of time and resources may outweigh the benefits of implementing another one without a good reason.

(outside of mods or DLC, both of which are quite far-off in the future. I see no harm in simply focusing on making the playables we already have confirmed work)

[tepid gate]

This is Mapusaurus roseae skeletal

This is Giganotosaurus skeletal:

[sonic cloud]

Honestly mapu looks cooler than Giga based off of those skeletals. Still redundant tho

[tepid gate]

The two would be identical to the vast majority of the playerbase. You can't even make Mapu into a skin

[sonic cloud]

You can’t make carch into a skin either

It’s a headswapped giga

[tepid gate]

I think it looks worse, the rounded head and the smaller forearms look kind dull compared to Giga's anatomy imo

[sonic cloud]

It’s a headswapped giga

I prefer the deeper chest

It looks less awkward

[tepid gate]

oh, I think it's not so much a deeper chest but simply longer spinous processes, I actually prefer Giga in terms of that as well

[ashen wasp]

yeah, the skull and torso look to be the most notable differences

[tepid gate]

As for Carch - yes, it's a headswapped Giga because... we only have the head of Carcha

[sonic cloud]

But neither Carcha and Mapu deserve to be a Giga skin. Both at best are headswaps

[tepid gate]

We don't have postcranial skeleton for C.saharicus

[sonic cloud]

And?

It’s not going to look massively different

[tepid gate]

it's literally just the head so the rest of it is pretty much restored based on Giga, of course it's going to look similar because of that

[barren zephyr]

Should go for something more unique

[outer condor]

Tyrannotitan

[tepid gate]

The thing is that you can make it look different, if you've paid attention to paleoart and how it represtented Carcha across the years it sometimes portrayed it as a more gracile looking animal(very likely based off the subadult specimen that was destroyed in WW2 - at least that's my hypothesis)

While there's a really good chance that the two did look very much alike there's a precedent for making Carcha look different, meanwhile Mapu is pretty much Giga with slightly smaller hands and a bit rounder skull(+ longer spinous processes).

[sonic cloud]

K but why?

It’s not going to be much different

[tepid gate]

Idk, if you want to make a skin for it that's the best bet

I personally think Acro should be a Giga skin

[sonic cloud]

There’s something we agree on tbh

Carch and Mapu aren’t unique enough to be considered for skins

And honestly new Giga resembles Carch a little bit anyway

[tepid gate]

I mean I'm not in favour of necessarily making Carcha a Giga skin I just think this animal leaves the most... well feel for maneuvering in terms of design than other derived garcharodontosaurs

Yea it kind of does

[sonic cloud]

It’s not like anyone would be able to tell the difference between our Giga and a Carch

Acro would have made a better skin for Giga than being it’s own unique playable

[tepid gate]

^

[tepid gate]

Agreed, you don't have to make mental gymnastics to turn Acro into a skin and this way we'd have an even bigger Acro

[barren zephyr]

Giga looks weird

[tepid gate]

Right so the thing about Carcha is that until recently it was thought to lack the "horn" on the lacrimal bone which most other carcharodontosaurs have(like the Giga up there) but nowadays we assume that it simply lacked it because it was broken off.

Yea and that's the new interpretation of Carcha

[sonic cloud]

It’s not one to one but honestly our new Giga resembles actual Carcharodontosaurus just as much as it resembles an actual Giga, if not more

[tepid gate]

And this is what it was thought to look like not long ago

[sonic cloud]

Once Giga is in-game all you have to do is change the name to Carcharodontosaurus in the skin-customiser and you literally have Carch

[barren zephyr]

how different is tyrannotitan from giga and mapu

[tepid gate]

I mean don't get me wrong, I don't particularly care for having a skin like that, I personally prefer Giganotosaurus to Carcharodontosaurus in terms of aesthetics. It's just that if we're meant to get those closely related animals as skins for the animals already in the game I think Carch is a far better candidate than Mapu(although Acro beats them both but as we all know it is becoming its own playable so there's that)

Not very different, it's older than them, it's the oldest of the South American, large, derived carcharodontosaurs

And just to make it clear Tyrannotitan>all as far as I'm concerned but it's a bit smaller than Giga and Mapu so I wouldn't want it to replace Giga

[sonic cloud]

From a distance you really wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between Mapu, Giga, Carch, Tyrannot anyway

[tepid gate]

^

[sonic cloud]

If the devs had posted the new Giga model and said “this is a Carcharodontosaurus” would anyone have seriously thought otherwise?

[tepid gate]

Tyrannotitan:

Tbh I probably would due to the lacrimal crest being too developed but I mean... ugh

It isn't that big of a deal and all those derived carcharodontosaurs are very, very similar to one another

[sonic cloud]

I mean it’s more developed than Giga’s crest as well

[tepid gate]

To be fair - there very likely was keratinous covering to the bones we have so there's a chance that it was bigger irl(and I'm not a fan of the crest we have on the new Giga either, just to be clear). It's definitely closer to Giga than to Carch

[sonic cloud]

I mean barely

And you can say the same with carch

[tepid gate]

I've been whining about how I prefer the old model for quite some time.

I would definitely whine and complain if they said it was Carcha, probably even more than I did in these circumstances.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[ashen wasp]

I totally agree in that I wish Camara had its old size back, both because it felt more powerful and majestic and to further place it in the middle of Magyaro and Brachi, but I can't help but mention that pretty much everything in the game would be a free burger for Hypers

[hybrid matrix]

Also, lets not forget that legacy started off as sandbox and apart from the dumpster fire that is its code, it turned out quite nicely

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr I have nothing to add but that I think this is a great idea and idk why we have so many negative nelly's in the feedback channel. I think since The Isle's compy is already so similar to Jurassic Park's, there is no reason for them not to be able to do this. I think it would look great and feel great to play. This is probably the only legitimate way of making compy a viable playable considering its size, strength and mobility

I just want Compy to be worth playing

[hybrid matrix]

i think the main reason ppl r ❌ing ur suggestion is bc the whole reason that compy pounce would be good is that in large groups u can destroy juvies, which would require a lot of ppl to play as wut is essentially just legacy taco with extra steps

its a good idea

but it doesnt work

[wild stone]

I think it's an excellent idea, balanced correctly.

Although I'm not sure I will be playing Compy when we have Troodon

[hybrid matrix]

same it is a good idea, it just wouldnt work

not enough ppl would play compy

so there would be no point in having it

apart from compy ai

[wild stone]

All it would take is a streamer.
There are plenty of ways to get people together to do a thing.

[barren zephyr]

Thats the point, I made the suggestion because I WANT more people to play Compy. If its just a scavenger than nobody will play Compy.

[hybrid matrix]

but if ur gonna have like 20 compy ais per group, then thats gonna be a lot of lag

[hybrid matrix]

but its still not enough incentive

[barren zephyr]

Its something. Better than nothing.

[hybrid matrix]

tbh i'd love to play with a huge group of compies and dogpile a juvie, but not enough players would do it

[hybrid matrix]

true

[barren zephyr]

Again, I made the suggestion to try to attract more people to play as Compy.

[hybrid matrix]

like i said, its still not enough incentive

[silver zephyr]

i think its fine but its just utahs pounce but on a smaller creature and since its so small it would require a bunch of people to even function well, id rather just have an ability thats unique and i can effectively use myself

[hybrid matrix]

u need a better reason for ppl to play as a compy

tbh

i think a better way of making compy appeal to the community is by allowing it to clean the teeth of larger carnivores.

[vale pawn]

id play as compy

[barren zephyr]

Then I dunno, the only other thing I can think of is either a buff you get while in a group (But then its just Ark) or Compy as a support class that can clean parasites off other animals to give them health boosts.

[hybrid matrix]

i would too, if i could be the toothbrush of a t rex

welp i gtg

[vale pawn]

id play as any dino no matter what tbh

[barren zephyr]

Unfortunately not many other people have that energy.

They wanna play as big strong Rex or Trike

So whil eyou have like a 6 Adult Rexes in the server you have only 4 Compy players trolling

[vale pawn]

ikr

[tepid gate]

I x-ed that suggestion, Compy should not be designed as a playable animal at all, it should at best be playable on community servers if they feel like letting people play it. The animal is way too small to be worth being a playable. It attacking the next smallest animal on the roster(assuming the latter one doesn't get its size increased which I think it will based on what it was portrayed doing) is the equivalent of a Utah pouncing a Maiasaura.

[elder rivet]

I guess compys aren't going to be able to overwhelm midtier juvies like carno anymore

[sonic cloud]

Compy is a meme and that suggestion just makes it a Utah but small. May as well just let Utah pounce from the hatchling stage and you have identical gameplay to that compy suggestion

If you don’t want to play as a “boring scavenger” don’t play as the boring scavenger

[paper oriole]

Compy's playstyle is playing with dead bodies until you get eaten by a bored predator

That is his niche

Or get stepped on

[sonic cloud]

Juvi’s of all carnivores already fulfil the “playing with dead bodies” niche except they have an endgame by being able to grow into an adult

[paper oriole]

Pretty much lol

[sonic cloud]

Compy flat out is a mistake to make playable

Really just takes up a server slot with no actual use beyond that

[paper oriole]

I mean if somebody wants to play as what may as well be an insect why not let em. Definitely no point in adding mechanics for it tho

[sonic cloud]

I mean if they want to play as a useless insect they may as well pick any juvi and just suicide when they get bored of it or it gets too large.

Devs shouldn’t be encouraging players to waste server slots just because, especially as ai is being more troublesome to implement than they hoped

I mean yeh people will inevitably fuck about with anything. Valid dinosaurs included. But saying let people play with useless shit just because, is stupid.
“I want to play as one of the fireflies from nightime in legacy because I enjoy it” if I asked for that the devs would rightfully ignore me. They’re useless set pieces that have no business being playable, doesn’t matter how many people want it

[ashen wasp]

Compy would be too small for a proper growth stage, essentially letting itself become a built-in sandbox mode by virtue of spawning as adult right out of the gate. This could provide a low-stakes testing ground for new players to get a feel for the game without the frustration of losing progress. Furthermore, Compsognathus is just. kinda cool?? I don't quite understand the concept of a "wasted" server slot-- the devs and the community seem to be mostly in agreement regarding allowing Compy to be playable-- if no one wants to play as it then no one will, but the animal has its appeal. Regardless, we haven't seen any sort of conceptual piece for Compsognathus yet-- we aren't even sure what secondary abilities it may have that could provide further incentive to pick it up as a character.

[sonic cloud]

Or just play sandbox when sandbox is rereleased?

[ashen wasp]

why not both??

[barren zephyr]

Compy is a little asshole intended to be bullied by larger creatures, but vice versa can happen with a swarm of compies.

[wild stone]

Viewing players as a "waste of a server slot" just because they're having fun their way instead of your way seems pretty toxic, dude.

The devs plans seem to suggest the isle official experience is intended to be more PvE than PvP. Horror survival and all that.

[haughty cliff]

Just make it so their damage multiplies instead of adds the more you have

In terms of dot

[wild stone]

...nah.. that implies that there exists a number of compies capable of killing a rex.

[haughty cliff]

Like, fifty lol

[wild stone]

[vale pawn]

[ashen wasp]

trample damage would argue otherwise, but go off

[tepid gate]

It is a waste of a server slot because the dinosaur does not interact with any other playable. It's the equivalent of putting in a playable squid with the current roster we have. It gets to interact with no other animal and takes up a server slot.

The compies were meant to be AI only and hopefully they stay that way.

[paper oriole]

Honestly as long as the player is

1. Enjoying themself
2. Not causing harm
3. Not AFKing
   Then they aren't “wasting a slot”

Evrima server owners can disable compies like current servers disable dryo probably anyway

[tepid gate]

They will be able to enable them if they like to and that's how it should stay.

Also a player afking is less of a wasted slot than a player playing a compy

[paper oriole]

Well the player afking isnt even playing the game so not really but that's just opinion lol

[tepid gate]

unless that afk player is sat on top of the spire as a Pteranodon(which shouldn't be a thing either)

Yea but they can be killed for a reward, a single Compy offers absolutely nothing and it's not worth interacting with

It's just something to be ignored in the game because it is just that much smaller than any other animal.

[paper oriole]

An afk player may as well just be a gorepile then, at least the conpy can and probably will try to mess with players for some interaction

[tepid gate]

No, it can't because it's not worth interacting with. What is it going to do exactly? It gives no food whatsoever and poses no threat to anything, it's just something that you might accidentally kill if you step on it.

A reminder that we're talking about an animal 1/10th the size of Velociraptor

[paper oriole]

In the end it'll be up to server owners if compy is a waste of a slot or not anyway lol

[tepid gate]

Yes, exactly they will be able to enable it just like anything else

[paper oriole]

Id rather have a slot taken by an active compy than an afk utah but that's just me

[tepid gate]

it shouldn't be a playable by default and it shouldn't be catered to as a playable

I'd rather have neither, they are both as worthless but Utah at least might be worth killing and might get back into the game at some point.

Compy is just as worthless the whole time.

a group of compies is a different situation but you'd need a lot of them in a pack to make them any useful and unless the AI is really good for them, allowing the player to group and actively play with the NPC compies then it's just a waste of a playable.

[ashen wasp]

surely not?? I was under the impression that Compsognathus is much closer to Velociraptor's size than that-- I'd wager it'd make a healthy meal for it. I agree that the meta shouldn't be balanced around Compy, but it's a gross over-exaggeration to say that it wouldn't be able to interact with any other animal on the roster. I could see anything from Velociraptor to Troodon to even Beipiaosaurus and Oviraptor preying on Compy and it being worthwhile for them-- honestly, what would the harm of its introduction be, really??

[hexed badger]

You can’t kill a dryo as a Juvi utah.

[tepid gate]

3kg compared to 30kg Velociraptor(which is the highest estimate for it)
https://i.imgur.com/3Wnpp7E.png

Red Velo, and that tiny yellow speck on the black box is the compy

Yes, it's just THAT small

See why I'm against making that a playable?

[ashen wasp]

still worth hunting, though.

[hexed badger]

It would be smaller than the leaves on the floor

[tepid gate]

Yes it would be so small you won't even be able to see it in most situations

And no, it shouldn't be worth hunting. Although to be fair we will have to see when update 3 rolls, it's updating the weights of every animal to their real values

Instead of having them increased like 8fold for the smallest animals

[vale pawn]

honestly id play compy unironically

[paper oriole]

I mean juvie velos could hunt it lol

[tepid gate]

I guess?

[hexed badger]

Compy is made for juvies

[tepid gate]

Then again - Velos are supposed to be AI-only as for now unless the devs find some interesting gameplay loop for them(going by the words of Kissen)

[paper oriole]

Compy is like mcdonalds cheeseburger for juvies

[hybrid matrix]

as an ai, compy would be perfect for carnivorous players to eat, which is good and bad depending on how u look at it
on the one hand, now u dont have to rely on ur parents to hunt something big, or try and hunt another player urself, but on the other hand, it could make it too easy to grow an apex (if compies spawn in large groups)

[hybrid matrix]

velos could steal juvies from nests

sorta like ovi stealing eggs, but instead ur stealing the living children

[paper oriole]

Most if not all small preds can steal juvies from nests like velo

[tepid gate]

You might want to suggest that to the devs not me but I don't think that's justification enough to make them playable.

[hexed badger]

Tho, a fight of the baby’s in the jungle would be kinda funny

[elder rivet]

Whoa. That means a baby carno is like 70x bigger than a compy, which means that 20 compys taking on a juvie carno(as someone said, i don't remember their name) is like 20 utahs taking on a brachi without pounce

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[tepid gate]

No amount of compies are taking on a juvie Carno, like that's just not happening if the game is meant to be based in reality at all

[paper oriole]

What if the juvie carno is a polite gentleman and sits down so the compies can gnaw on him

[hybrid matrix]

yeah aken

[vale pawn]

compy vs homalo

[hybrid matrix]

compy v homalo is kinda like herra v pachy is it not?

welp, ima go

[vale pawn]

yea i guess so

[tepid gate]

No it's not, Herrera is 180kg vs 450-500kg Pachy. Meanwhile Compy is 3kg vs 15kg homalo... a 5time increase in size

So the difference is bigger than even that between these two

[hybrid matrix]

O.O

[tepid gate]

(and this is just the in-game Herrera we're getting, irl it was larger than that, some new research shows it might've been... much larger than that)

[barren zephyr]

Dang my suggestion sparked quite the divided discussion lol

[warm flame]

@real pendant what do you mean by "fixdc"?

[jovial sleet]

Tbh. I like the utah raptor model we have now

[icy lion]

people are of the opinion that nothing should be done if it doesnt relate to fixing bugs, even if the modellers dont work on them

[brave rampart]

Yeah

And

A modeler can develop models at the same time

Why not

[icy lion]

cool! they are. modellers and artists arent those people!

[brave rampart]

A modeler cant fix bugs lmao

They're specifically model developers

[icy lion]

so whats the issue with the suggestion?

[fervent fable]

@past tusk talk here dude

[past tusk]

fix the damn code!!

[warm flame]

the edit I made wasn't meant to be what the remodel will be just as a possible example, I know that we aren't gonna get anything like that utah

[fervent fable]

i don't mind the model i just want fixed wrists

maybe a slight adjustment to the head

[severe idol]

@past tusk @brave rampart
Talk here, not in #general-feedback.

[brave rampart]

Ye sorry

A modeler is meant to develop models

A programmer is meant to program/bugfix

[severe idol]

Also hey Rick. Let's avoid calling people out directly. That's fairly distasteful.

[brave rampart]

Sure fine

As I was saying

A modeler develops models whilst a programmer, well, programs/bugfixes

So they can multi-task

[fervent fable]

@past tusk what's up when you play the game, we can discuss

[safe galleon]

Welll yeah, the devs just don’t work one at a time

[warm flame]

wish people would say if why they were disagreeing was because they don't want a new utah model or if it's because they don't like my edit, in which case they didn't read the full suggestion

[fervent fable]

me too

also I agree i really dislike the jp look for rex and utah

[safe galleon]

Rex I’m fine with

[warm flame]

rex is fine but utah is just too far from a utah

[nova anchor]

rex is too shrinkwrapped but honestly idc as much about that

utah is just

disgusting

[fiery patio]

Same, Rex is good to me but Utah feels off

[fervent fable]

yeah utah is ugly

[safe galleon]

It’s a damn rat

[nova anchor]

give this mfer some feathers

[fiery patio]

Low key wish it was feathered

[nova anchor]

or at least a nice model

[fervent fable]

it's base look should just be feathered

[warm flame]

I woulda given mine feathers but I wasn't gonna try to edit that far, would've been too hard

[nova anchor]

yeah feathers would really be ideal

I haven't seen a good scaly utah model anywhere

not to say that it's impossible, I've just never seen it done right

[warm flame]

this was my attempt at giving the edit feathers

[fiery patio]

Ohh I like it

[nova anchor]

I really like fred's utah

at least I think this is fred's

either way I think they should go with something like this

[spark maple]

Eh

[fiery patio]

It’s not a Utah raptor, but I really like this model

[warm flame]

ight judging that most people are agreeing with ethon's and disagreeing with mine I think it's safe to say that the reason most people are disliking my edit is because they didn't read the whole suggestion

[spark maple]

That or some people might not think it matters all to much

[warm flame]

that too

[nova anchor]

well seeing as the utah is sort of the isle's flagship dinosaur I think it needs to look good

[spark maple]

I personally have never really had a problem with the model we have rn but if it’s changed I’d be fine with that too so

[warm flame]

the isle's utah looks ugly imo, it's mouth even gapes a little open

[nova anchor]

if it was renamed to nova I wouldn't have a problem with it

but as long as it is utahraptor the model does not fit

[spark maple]

I must say some feathers on it do make it look very nice tbh

[warm flame]

you can tell rex is rex, the only way you can tell the utah isn't a deinon is by size

[nova anchor]

the rex is acceptable, not good, but acceptable. Utah is too far

I'd like for rex to have a remodel too but that is much less important

[zenith onyx]

utah having feathers will never happen in evrima lol. Unless dondi changes his mind which probably won't happen...

[warm flame]

funny thing to think about, the isle's utah is based on JP's velo, JP's velo is based on deinon, meaning the isle's utah is indirectly based on deinon

[nova anchor]

then at the very least I'd like for it to be a nice model if they're sticking with scaly

[warm flame]

I liked the old scaled rex model tbh

[nova anchor]

which one

I don't know if I've seen it

[warm flame]

the old SCALEY rex

not the old TSL rex

this guy

[nova anchor]

ooh that one is a lot better ngl

honestly all rex models look inferior to saurian's new rex though lol

I think that one just raised my standards a lot

[warm flame]

I like this guy's head more than saurian's rex but saurians body is better

[spark maple]

Yea that one is just

[nova anchor]

lips are important to me lol, but knowing the isle that'll never happen

[warm flame]

I don't really mind lips too much since this game isn't going for accuracy but they could atleast not make their dinos have such shrink wrapped faces and make it obvious what dino it is

[nova anchor]

Idc about accuracy, my priority is looking good and imo lips look significantly better

in most cases accuracy goes hand in hand with looking good but there are plenty of exceptions, for example I think the new spino model looks great

[warm flame]

rex doesn't need a full on model, just some model edits to make it look less shrink wrapped and also make it look less buck toothed

[nova anchor]

personally I'd like a complete overhaul but it's not a huge deal like the utah is

[warm flame]

utah is just no

[nova anchor]

yeah

[warm flame]

hold on Imma bold some of my suggestion so people don't miss that part

there hopefully now people don't just look at the edit go "ew" and press X

[nova anchor]

well, it's islecord, so don't get your hopes up

[warm flame]

true

was gonna bring up the docktah stereotype just now but decided not to

[nova anchor]

Honestly I'd really like to be able to enjoy utah, right now evrima utah gameplay is actually super fun, just the model detracts from it so much

[warm flame]

same here

I used to play utah all the time but then they changed the animations, didn't okay it as much after that but then they completely removed the old model and changed the calls so I just stopped playing utah completely

I was fine with those animations but something about them looked off to me, not that the old ones were amazing tho

[nova anchor]

the model is just gross, I'd rather be looking at something pleasing to the eye

which is a shame because I'd like to be able to enjoy utah

[warm flame]

I liked the current legacy utah animations when they came out but then I realized the old utah was getting removed and wouldn't have those

the fact that people don't want to play utah simply because it's THAT ugly means the devs should know they did something wrong

idk if evrima utah does this but ik that in legacy if you look at it front on it's mouth isn't closed all the way

[nova anchor]

and I mean it's not the end of the world, I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy the model and want to keep it the same, I suppose if it doesn't change I'll have plenty of other dinos to play, but I think a large number of people agree that the model could be a lot better

[warm flame]

I'd rather go as austro than utah but unfortunately austro is broken

[barren zephyr]

Utahs sounds and animations in evrima are so ugly imo

Also I can't stand its wrists

[warm flame]

@barren zephyr I only get about 15-20 (though for a millisecond it'll say 90) fps but at the river everyone goes at I get a solid 8

idk if my framerate ever did too good at the swamp but it could atleast reach about 30 at the complete lowest settings at other places

if I get 30 fps with atleast my resolution at 100 and everything else can be low then I'll be happy

you don't have a trash computer like me, if you had my computer like mine you'd think that having the only things at epic settings being textures and 100 resolution and getting 30 fps is amazing

60 fps is the max fps a human can see

did you just call 90 fps only

ik but I mean

nvm I can't explain

the highest solid fps I've ever gotten is prolly 50

anything that increases framerate is good

I wasn't talking about all epic settings when I said my fps

but most of that is a me computer problem and not a framerate problem

no we just hope a developer sees our suggestion

hopefully they do something about fps

the grass would be fps related

I meant by fps anything that'd help fps

without having shit graphics

lemme just see if I can emphasize your suggestion

all the arrows

because no one can disagree with that

remove your reaction on devs too

so I can

there

there aren't any other emojis that look like a dash or space

o

never thought of a minus sign

hopefully the devs do that tho because they do say that performance is their main goal

[worn pumice]

if it has enough check marks they'll see it

20 prolly aint enough tho

im guessing like 35 minimum? maybe more

[hybrid matrix]

@green gorge that wouldnt work, it would make servers super laggy bc theyd have to store all of that info about who the alpha of each grp is

and if ur only alpha until u log out (which would make servers not as laggy) makes the alpha position pointless

[vast wolf]

it was actually talked about with perks and elders a while back having fights for leaders. in fighting is already planned.

[hybrid matrix]

its kind of a stupid idea, bc i guarantee that almost every raptor player in a grp will always be half dead from constantly fighting

[green gorge]

They could just not wanna fight for the role lol. And it wasnt my idea anyway i just wrote it lol

[vast wolf]

thats good though. if they want to be half dead thats their issue.

pachy and homalos concepts have infighting and on the old roadmap homalo pachy diablo and ava were planned to use it for sure.

[green gorge]

But the first thing you said made sense. I wonder if theres a way around it

[hybrid matrix]

probably not

bc the only way around it that i can think of is making it last until u log out, which would ruin the point of being alpha

[vast wolf]

you couldent.

the other player would just plow you down eventually.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/733290015341150228/image1.jpg

[hybrid matrix]

couldnt wut

[vast wolf]

it was talked about as being a stamina battle. non lethal.

[hybrid matrix]

thats not the problem tho

[green gorge]

Maybe it could work like this. The person that starts the group is the alpha. Then when they log out the second person to enter the group becomes the alpha and so forth. If everyone logs from the group there is no alpha in that grouo anymore and they have to start over

[vast wolf]

sadly the old roadmap is gone.

[hybrid matrix]

u remain part of a grp if u log out (unless u get kicked from it after logging)

welp, i gtg

[green gorge]

Getting kicked from the group ehen you log would have to become a thing then

Altight see ya

[ashen wasp]

Social fighting is already a planned mechanic. Players sparring for dominance in a group will take reduced damage from each other temporarily in order to make the interaction a drawn-out spectacle.

[sonic cloud]

@elder rivet it’s already been modelled move on

[paper oriole]

giga already had a model too but it got a new one

among other things

when there comes a time anky should definitely be fixed

[elder rivet]

I mean, they remodelled a ton of the roster, if anky releases and it's still that model and more people know about it, it means way more people are going to complain about it, which i believe will eventually make them change the model

[sonic cloud]

So what the devs are just going to throw away the new anky that they only just made just because? Are you living in reality?

The Giga model is over a year old

Probably closer to two

[fiery patio]

I don’t think they would need to throw it away? Only a few adjustments need to be made

[paper oriole]

if they can modify utah's model for the worse they can modify anky's model for the better

[barren zephyr]

You don't have to remodel every damn dino in the game, you just touch up the model to make it look better.

[sonic cloud]

They didn’t modify Utah’s model though

[elder rivet]

Would the devs just throw away giga and hyper giga just because he needed a morph?

[paper oriole]

i'm assuming hyper giga is already on the block for redo

[sonic cloud]

Yeah you know what you’re right have fun

[paper oriole]

since we're getting the new smooth boring giga base form

[barren zephyr]

There's been nothing said about hypos.. yet

iirc

[paper oriole]

well aside from the new hyper rex

[steady lintel]

why you sound so rude about the remodel people been discussing and asking for change since it was reveled and they are only asking for slight tweaks

[barren zephyr]

Yeah aside from that

[paper oriole]

idk why they could listen to herrera model feedback but completely disregard anky

maybe they just hate anky lol

[barren zephyr]

Selective hearing?

Lmao

[paper oriole]

they want anky to be a bad animal

[barren zephyr]

I mean you could argue that, with the entire anky is a bad animal thing

[paper oriole]

yea i feel like there's some spite going on with anky

[barren zephyr]

I wish they treated every dino equally, it really feels like they don't

[paper oriole]

bias definitely slips through

[barren zephyr]

For sure

[steady lintel]

I dont think we should look at anky as an apex but more of a pseudo apex like the sucho

then give it growth times to match that title

then i dont see a prob

[paper oriole]

anky just needs to be able to shatter shins and walk away, or shatter faces of dumbasses who get their head to close for massive or lfatal damage

[barren zephyr]

Also, shadows don't cause lag. Lag is caused by your connection to the server and the overall server stability (?). Shadows may cause frame drops, but that shouldn't happen if your game is well optimized

[steady lintel]

was thinking the same when i saw that post lol

[barren zephyr]

People love to confuse lag and frame drops, drives me nuts sometimes

[steady lintel]

also bad optimization isnt a reason to not add something

its a prob that should be addressed not ignored

[barren zephyr]

If you optimize things well enough there shouldn't be a problem

First thing people think of when shadows are mentioned is frame drops or bad performance.. if you have a low end pc just turn shadows off. Problem fixed.

[zinc anvil]

It all depends on the pc or laptop sometimes turning shadows off won’t help you. Optimisation comes slowly as the games foundation is being created.if you are playing evrima then do keep in mind you are playing a opt in beta of a early alpha stage of the new version of the isle.

[vast wolf]

@elder rivet that anky fix is not mine. its pretty old.

[frail pivot]

@thin stag about the liso idea, I would say that it’s not bad , but an aquatic hadrosaur would Do better and there is a much higher chance the dev team would add it in as isle is a dinosaur game , not a reptile game but I would prefer some variations tho

[dapper terrace]

@golden iron I think what you've proposed is a brilliant idea. Tiny dinos already have excellent resistances to fall damage.

Not to mention that it would only be tiny juvis it could carry. And at the end of the day, if the juvi is dropped to its death it has lost, what, 10 mins of growth tops?

[golden iron]

I’m really glad this idea is a hit because my first one had like 20 x’s lmao. I don’t even remember what it was about

And honestly I forgot juvies are literally a spawning Dino. I thought people would get mad because “all the juvies would be dying” but I literally forgot everyone just spawns as a juvie lmao

Well, maybe not a hit yet, I’ll have to wait and see what other peeps think

[dapper terrace]

I don't play BoB, but if I did this the only aspect of gameplay I've seen that I find very appealing:

https://youtu.be/ZLD0_wL5qCI

[golden iron]

But honestly, juvies are not much of a target (unless it’s other juvies) so this would make them a prime hunt for pteras.

And the steam drain would make it so people can’t cheat and carry other players across the map

[dapper terrace]

Juvis are a target for every carnivoure. They're the literal bottom of the foodchain. Juvis die all the time. Which is why I don't see it as a problem for a Ptera to yeet them?

[golden iron]

The issue I see with that bob video is they can carry them as far as they want, so that baby literally has no chance of survival. At least with a heavy stam drain, juvies ripped from families can’t go very far and can be rescued

[dapper terrace]

Yeah I'm not saying like it should be exactly like BoB. I'm just saying that stealing people's babies from under them and then dropping them from great heights sound like a lot of fun

[steady lintel]

baby snatching should def be a thing if not for the ptera then a different flyer down the road maybe?

[barren zephyr]

Quetzal was known to do that

Feel like it would fit it much better

[steady lintel]

yeah sounds like it would work better given the pteras size and it gives them another reason/niche to add quetz

[dapper terrace]

@barren zephyr why not both? Quetz can carry much larger prey, while Ptera has to stick to tiny stuff?

[open sundial]

im sure it could pick up like raptor babies and maybe carno but stego is i think a bit to big for a ptera

(carno babies-stego babies)

i think also if ptera is given some small knockback if it flyes into small creatures so it could knock them of raptor rock

[paper geyser]

i read that wrong, ignore

[golden iron]

juvies are interesting if you make it interesting. Instead of CHOOSING to sit in a bush, go live in a herd or go make some friends, or bully some bigger carnis if you're like a dryo or hypsi

[snow meadow]

When achievements are a thing quetz should have one for raiding hatchlings outta nests. I saw that on one of those Dino documentary

Super spoopy

[paper geyser]

juvies aren't interesting because they're useless

if you want to live to adulthood you pretty much have to hide or afk for a while

juvies can't fight nor run most of the time, going out in the open is suicide

-which is fine, juvies should be defenceless since they're juvies

[tepid gate]

This is just a really flabbergasting statement. I fail to see how living in a herd makes it "interesting"(aside from potentially getting you killed by making you a far more obvious target so that's I suppose "interesting" in a way, the same way dying is "interesting" in general). Hypsi doesn't have a juvie stage at all so I don't see why you're even mentioning that. Overall both Hypsi and Dryo are meme animals so I fail to see how mentioning them makes the juvie case any better.

[haughty steeple]

Quetzal could fly for miles and miles at high altitudes. It would be cool if there special ability was some type of enhanced binocular vision

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr fair points however the diet system is coming soon and it will make growing actually fun. As for some dinos beeing more perked out, they would probably have some drawbacks making you able to get away from them. They balance test all of the new content yknow

dinos will certainly not be like thoose BoB

[barren zephyr]

I know that it can be balanced to be a benefit to this game ofc
I'm arguing that the devs have to be weary with its implementation
Since unintended effects or oversight are very well possible to negatively damage this game

It's more of a warning

[keen vapor]

ok

i honestly hope perks are more earned rather than just unlocked over time

if you had to work for perks it would finally give players some meaningfull gameplay

[barren zephyr]

They could do a lot with this concept
I'm simply hoping that it encourage players to interact and breath more life into the map

[edgy hamlet]

@kindred flare if perks get randomized the whole reason for perks would be destroyed lol

[keen vapor]

reeeealy hope so

[kindred flare]

Not the perks per-say, the order in which they need to be picked to get to elder/hyper is what i meant

[edgy hamlet]

do we even know anything about that yet tho?

[barren zephyr]

We don't, but they're gameplay altering at least
There's a lot you could fix or break with that kind of mechanic

[kindred flare]

Not really, it was just a suggestion cause as a guy who cant afford to soend 20 hours on this game a day i dont want to continuously die so some huge behemoth of a creature all the tine

[edgy hamlet]

you know tho that perks arent the only way to get to hypo? if you dont eat the right diet (which will probs be very hard) you wont get tho hypo anyways

and getting to hypo is intended to be extremely hard soo

[keen vapor]

sounds like a good challenge to any experienced player

[blissful wren]

@golden iron realistically and without looking ridiculous, ptera should only be able to pick up things in the size range of hatchling Utahs and compies.

[barren zephyr]

@solar iron you can simply break up your game sessions over weeks. you don't have to play for hours at a time to grow

[edgy hamlet]

@solar iron i think punch once said that the perks will always have a controato the pro, a.e. you get a little more bulky and do a bit more damage on your bite but for that you have a little less stamina

[barren zephyr]

the nature of the game is so that you can simply put it down and pick it back up when you have the time

[hybrid matrix]

@echo bridge it should do more damage than a normal tailslam. Just think about it, teno is gonna be swinging that tail around with a whole lot more force. it should do a ton of damage

but other than that ur suggestion is perfect

[echo bridge]

if you adjust its damage it'd have to cost more stam too

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah

[echo bridge]

but you can just keep it the same as normal tail slam either way

[hybrid matrix]

it would definitely cost more staqm

naw its a whole other attack, it should cost more stam, but do more damage

its a lot more force

[echo bridge]

i'm mainly staying conservative about that because the vocal carno and utah players will whine about a more formidable tenonto since people already think it destroys them

[hybrid matrix]

well theyre dumb

bc this is a great idea

and u should embrace it

besides, teno should be more formidable

[echo bridge]

eh

its kinda pretty okay balance wise already

carno just needs its stam nerf and teno is good damage wise

[hybrid matrix]

it should be able to defend itself against carnos better than it already does bc it cant rlly defend against carnos 1v1

[echo bridge]

and technically flip slam could combo into more normal tail slams

if the flip slam did more damage that'd be pretty strong

and its much more adaptable than current tail slam

which is a decent arguement for it not to have increased damage

[hybrid matrix]

thats the point of having an attack with more force\

[echo bridge]

since currently tail slam 4 shots carno on the head and 5 on the body
and 2 shots utah

i'm saying tail slam is already strong enough

flip slam being stronger isnt necessary

[hybrid matrix]

i kno, keep tailslam as it is, this should be a separate attack that does more damage

[echo bridge]

its basically the same attack with just a quick turn added into it

[hybrid matrix]

no its not

[echo bridge]

not going full glavenus with a handstand

[hybrid matrix]

its like if u pull ur sword back behind u (in a striking position) and then stomping forward while slamming ur sword into ur enemy

thats a lot more force

than just striking ur enemy

[echo bridge]

i'm not going to argue the physics, this is a game where a tiny medium dog sized animal can jump 2 stories high
its just the main concern is balance when it comes to adding a new attack

a stronger but costlier flip tail slam could work
but people would be a lot more tame and acceptive about one that just does the same damage as current tailslam

and i just want the attack in the game

because its so cool visual wise

[hybrid matrix]

dude, some attacks are just stronger than others

also i asked in #401464048610312195 and i got this response
#401464048610312195 message

@echo bridge

[echo bridge]

i mean yeah if it has more endlag it would probably be fairer

for missing it

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

its like cama stomp from legacy

it does a stupid amount of raw damage

costs a ton of stam

and u cant move for about 5 seconds afterward

[echo bridge]

changed it

eh that would be too long

stegos long swing length would be good enough

because its a lot more avoidable

less AoE

[hybrid matrix]

no i was talking about cama stomp

u cant move for like 5 seconds after cama stomp

[echo bridge]

current tail slam has like no endlag, pretty much all of tenontos attacks are quick
you could make flip slam tenontos longest lasting attack fairly easily

oh okay

[hybrid matrix]

oh

i just got an idea

nvm

[echo bridge]

images to prove the art assets outside of concept art exist for flip slam

[hybrid matrix]

i was gonna say it could just be the regular tailslam but that wouldnt work bc of kick attack

[echo bridge]

you'd just need a left turning one and a right turning one

yeah

thats why it needs to be an alt attack

[hybrid matrix]

y tf do u have tenontosaurus erotica on ur computer?! XD

[hybrid matrix]

this looks super inappropriate lmao

[echo bridge]

iirc they're WIP but it still proves that they did work on it

the visual aspect is probably being the hardest part to settle on for the flip tail slam i think

for why it isn't implemented yet

[hybrid matrix]

i think it should slam the tail down super fast

like it raises it up and then goes POW

[echo bridge]

well its not a raise up, its a flip to put the tail into the air whilst turning

[hybrid matrix]

i kno

but like

[echo bridge]

the image i put on the suggestion from the concept art displays the flip slam in a good way

[hybrid matrix]

i want it to hit really fast

[echo bridge]

the bottom render is the wind-up, the top image is during the slam

[hybrid matrix]

smthn about the teno in that second pic makes me think of godzilla

its like a scene in the 2014 movie

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

oh

wait

so

u hold it?

and then when u release it does the attack?

like hypsi jump?

or the reverse of utah pounce?

[echo bridge]

the wind up meaning the time before tenonto actually slams

where it pivots its body to put its tail where it needs to slam it

as well as raising its tail up

so it can slam down

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[fluid comet]

@pine cape That I hope comes with update 4 once fractures and all are in , so it breaks it's wings if it clips against a tree at a certain speed or sure death if head on

[elder rivet]

I just realized something, how would rex trot down other creatures if it wouldn't be able to keep up with a giga that has lower stamina than midtiers and also both slower trot/walk and slower sprint than midtiers?

[echo bridge]

because this gigas sprint is faster than a good few animals
kinda like how allos sprint got a speed buff to fit an ambush iteration of it

like its trot will be slower than rex, but it sprint would be much faster

so it just keeps pressing shift and can keep away for a long while

especially if its far enough to where a Rex has to smell to track it

[worn pumice]

Basically giga would be an ambush hunter and rex is an endurance one

[echo bridge]

yeah

[worn pumice]

seems like a cool idea

[echo bridge]

and spino just gets to be fat

and vibe

[worn pumice]

ah yes he can vibe with the deino and also the pelican austro

[echo bridge]

and Rex's other tool it uses for trotting stuff down is having the best scent out of the normal terrestrial roster in the game

with extra mechanics to make it really good

[worn pumice]

Wasn't like real life rex this way too

[echo bridge]

yes

funnily enough, trotter Rex is irl rex

@elder rivet i mean that is a fast trot to suit Trotter Rex, but I'm fine if they do some fine tuning regardless to fix up how it looks

since the sprint doesnt look that much faster than its trot, i think the team is already going down the route i just wrote down

[elder rivet]

The biggest issue is that if you look at it's sprint earlier in the video, it's just a slowed down version of the sprint

[echo bridge]

nah sprint has Rex's head lower to the ground
they are different by about as much you can make different speeds look on large creatures, especially for one who's trot and speed difference isnt supposed to be big
i'd rather not get flaily sprint legacy rex anims

[hybrid matrix]

not sure if i understand the format for that suggestion

[urban flax]

@fervent fable That's not a niche

[median ore]

I am... not keen on the suggestion that Rex can trot down the majority of it's prey, if only because this is a game with human players, and if a rex can trot down prey, and rexes are going to be the (or one of the) tankiest dinos in the game... rexes will decimate servers. They will kill everything they can catch, and if they can catch most things... well RIP those things.

[fervent fable]

Oh? Idk what a niche is

[urban flax]

It's an animal's place in the ecosystem, whether it is an open plains predator, a swamp dweller, a burrower or anything else

[fervent fable]

Oohhh

Thanks

[hybrid matrix]

for example, iguanodon's niche would be similar to an elk

[elder rivet]

isn't that bajadasaurus

[fervent fable]

Lol

[hybrid matrix]

imo its easier to compare something's niche to that of a living animal than to just describe the niche

[urban flax]

By the way, I don't like suggestions about new playable creatures. We currently have 6 out of dozens of planned playables, there is no reason to suggest any more for now.

[noble pine]

Oh wow, I actually really like rexes new run, walk and trot

That’s a first

[hybrid matrix]

i mean its fine if you suggest that the creature be added after all the updates

[steady lintel]

It doesn’t matter anyways Bc they said they won’t be adding any that aren’t already planned

[noble pine]

Why the hell is rex the only thing out of all the new creatures to actually have some weight behind it.

[hybrid matrix]

darn it

rlly?

even if its the perfect addition to the game?
like iggy?

[thin stag]

Or Lisowicia

[steady lintel]

Last night in Amaroks stream kissenkitten said they were content locked as of right now and won’t be adding any dinos that they haven’t already planned to add

But I doubt that means forever

Like it definitely doesn’t mean forever

[thin stag]

Someday... Triassic Hippo will see the light

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, i want iggy, but not immediately

[fervent fable]

How does the layout look now? Or should I just leave it?

[hybrid matrix]

i think most of the ppl who ❌ed my suggestion didnt read the part about me not wanting it immediately

better

but u need a reason to add it

hang on

lemme pull up my iggy format

[steady lintel]

Reason= better then magy

[fervent fable]

Ok

[hybrid matrix]

im also telling u all the info u need to add to ur suggestion

[lilac swallow]

You can't use this reason, it would validate everything

[elder rivet]

hmmmm... It's a sauropod that fits magy's niche and is also better than magy

[steady lintel]

[lilac swallow]

And it's around 3 tons and weaponized, clearly capable of taking an allo who is also 3 tons

Ironically as sauropod aren't made for running the bigger they get the faster they are(due to leg length), so amarga not only could take on allo but it would also have more of a chance of outrunning allo

[hybrid matrix]

explain y its a good idea
explain its role in the ecosystem
explain unique ability and wut the upsides are
list reasons to not add it
come up with counter arguments to those reasons
list possible stats (grow time, weight, speed, etc.)
come up with 4 attacks and list their damage outputs
describe the attacks
emphasize that nothing about the dino is definite
finally, conclude ur suggestion

this is how i formatted my iguanodon suggestion, and it got 40 check marks

@fervent fable it'd probably a better idea to just repost the suggestion in this format

[fervent fable]

Oh thank you, I’ll know for future :D

[hybrid matrix]

btw it'll take a while to figure all this out

its best if u discuss it with other supporters of ur idea

and to get reasons against the idea, just ask in #401464048610312195

[fervent fable]

Oki :)

[hybrid matrix]

i look forward to ur revised suggestion

[fervent fable]

Btw thank you, that’s really helpful
And given me many ideas to suggest the creature,
I’ll also look into more of the actual creature too

[hybrid matrix]

yw

[urban flax]

"Will spino fish accurately ?" Sees inaccurate spino

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[urban flax]

But isn't that spino biting at the water and coming up with a fish actually ?

[edgy hamlet]

@true fox that docu is veeery outdated

but since the hope trailer showed Sucho fishing that way i guess we will get spino doing it too

[barren zephyr]

@true fox assuming spino will be given fishing mechanics like that of baryonyx or suchomimus, yes

But there are those ranting it can't do it, even though it actually can

Same jaw structure, same sensory organs

[hybrid matrix]

yeah we kno

its just

[barren zephyr]

it aint bad

[hybrid matrix]

they say "fishing accurately" and then they have an old spino int he picture

in the*

i kno its basically the same spino that we have

but still

its ironic

[barren zephyr]

It is a 2011 documentary, but there still is scientific stuff which holds today

[edgy hamlet]

i agree on the fishing part but looking at the spino hurts my eyes

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno

[barren zephyr]

we have just found out more with the 2014 and 2020 discoveries

[hybrid matrix]

its just the spino itself

[barren zephyr]

it turns out it can swim, though not necessarily the best of all swimming semiaquatic tetrapods

I mean there is more waiting

the CGI model doesn't bloody matter that much, the point very much so remains the same

[urban flax]

In 2022 we're going to discover that spino was able to hover ominously

[edgy hamlet]

watch us find spinosaurus' wings in 2023

[urban flax]

Or that it stood upright, was green and used its arms to wrestle down its prey

[edgy hamlet]

dont go back to the 90's >->

[elder rivet]

90's? that was like the 20's

[edgy hamlet]

no idea lol dont ask me that. 90's sound best

i think they were still thought to look like that in the 80's tho

yup

[hybrid matrix]

early paleontologists were idiots

100 years later we're gonna be saying the same thing when we discover that trike had arms sticking out of its face and not horns

[safe galleon]

well they didn't have much knowledge, can't blame them

[edgy hamlet]

cant wait to see spinosaurus change 15 times more

[urban flax]

Actually there weren't dinosaur species
Dinosaur was a single animal that weighted thousands of tons and has millions oh heads and limbs

And a sail on its back

[hybrid matrix]

wait

thats

thats just

hydra

thats just a fucking hydra on crack

[urban flax]

That's Ananta, the giant naga Vishnu is sleeping on
The hindu were right

But we're straying too far away from feedback

[edgy hamlet]

that was way too much for the niveau weve normally got here o-o

[sick crescent]

im all down for more ambience and music with update 4

update 6 adds in the graphical atmosphere, hopefully it does, so its not such mixed so bad it makes evrima feel cartoony

[urban flax]

Music

[noble pine]

The point of spinosaurus being the way it is to help make it more viable in an environment full of large and dangerous animals, in or out of the water, an accurate spinosaurus would be decimated by rex, giga, deino, and wouldn’t haven’t anything to defend itself against them. You basically have a large lumbering animal that can’t do anything but swim, eat and die to things faster, stronger and heavier than it.
Increased arm length and muscle size allows heavy, hard hitting slashes to said large predators, while long, muscular legs allow for more efficient maneuverability on land and under water (since it can run under water). The jaw, while lacking, is just stylized to fit the rest of the design, the sail could be larger but other than that the spinosaur our beloved baardo has created for us is a borderline perfect fit into this dangerous environment.

[steady lintel]

At this point tho I’d be really happy if they just change the tail it shouldn’t affect game play and maybe actually help it

[noble pine]

Don’t get me wrong, I want an accurate spino too, it just wouldn’t work in the end, which sucks. We had 3 different concepts of accurate spino but it was changed most likely due to how hard it would be to balance and make viable besides just a slower sucho.

[steady lintel]

Yeah but this game has done incorrect body portions for awhile in favor of creative freedom or gameplay so if they want to keep bigger legs then let them and if they give it a accurate tail then it’s a 50/50 for both sides

[noble pine]

I wouldn’t mind the tail, it would just look kinda odd on our really gritty, rough looking spino

[steady lintel]

Maybe I’d prob just have to actually see it to make a final thought tho

Which prob won’t happen lol

[noble pine]

If they could make it look really scaly like our current spinos tail looks

Then

[jade schooner]

thing is I didn’t say an accurate spino. I know it won’t work. It’s basically more a reshaping of the tail and put it at least a bit lower to the ground and the sail. Because atm it just feels like it’s a fast runner type of thing.

My “suggestion” comes in line the idea to keep the aesthetic and do “small changes” to the model, instead of a new accurate one

That’s why I mentioned the other guys suggestion, which keeps spino as an endurance fighter, with high traversing capabilities, rather than fast, and a tank.

[jade schooner]

And this is why I pointed out on Tap’s concept, which is closer to a crocodile and instead of a slim eel like tail, would give him a thick yet large tail

[noble pine]

The only reason our spino is viable is because of the exaggerated arms and legs, spinosaurus sail shape isn’t even fully known either, so it’s either, be pathetic, or being a brute.

I wish it did have the concept art tail, it’s a very nice design

[jade schooner]

I mean, what if the legs were only a 75% of what it is now?
Remember the time Dondi showed it next to the rex? It still towered above

So with a small reduction, I don’t think it would be tooooooo bad

[noble pine]

Only changing the arms doesn’t help either, before we move further into this, without the leg support, it would basically fall over trying to swing its arms

I’m not fully sure

[jade schooner]

I never mentioned the arms tho

[noble pine]

In your suggestion you mentioned keeping the arms, neck and head as is but shortening the legs

I think if you tried to find a middle ground, you’d end up with a very odd looking animal, which spino is odd looking but again I’m not sure

[jade schooner]

Right

[noble pine]

It would have to be a very well thought out design, and even then with shorter legs it loses the ability to run even remotely fast

Again, if we got the mix of both of taps designs of an accurate but stylized spino, that would’ve been

[jade schooner]

I see your point. But like I mentioned before, a short legged spino is unviable in isle standards, like you mentioned. And for what they want to achieve with it, but a small reduction wouldn’t be extremely hindering, right?
And weight regarding, there comes the bigger tail

[jade schooner]

I’d say a mix of Tap’s and current isle’s would work better for the game as it is

[noble pine]

Balance is great counter for not falling over every time you swing, but again back to being able to run

You’ve got 9 tons intop of decently small legs

And since you can’t compete with apexes...the last thing you need is to be extremely slow compared to them

It’s so frustrating to balance because the real animal is extremely unique, and tap made amazing designs but

What we have is the best we’re going to get in terms of viability

And that’s not mentioning the inevitable over population of deinos that will be around for a long long time

[barren zephyr]

I hate the fact that the isle has no such thing as interspecies interactions that don't end in blood loss. I mean irl sure, some predators try deliberately killing eachothers' offspring (e.g. lions and hyenas), but just there being constant clashes between stuff like deino and spino is annoying.

[lilac swallow]

Tbh i think i would be fine with a bulkied Up long legged spino, if It looked more spinosarid and less carcharodontid

[barren zephyr]

In-game they've adapted to coexist.

But there's the regular player controlled actions at work.

[noble pine]

Yeah, these aren’t animals with at least a tiny bit of standards, it’s people who don’t care about you or your feelings

[median ore]

You have to balance things within the same tier, but also, balance things on lower tiers so they don't get absolutely wrecked no matter what by the higher tiers (so they can still have viable populations).

[noble pine]

People make games very frustrating

[median ore]

Basically; Make Big Strong thing Slow. Make Small Weak thing Fast / Agile.

But also, don't make Small Weak thing capable of biting the Big Strong thing's butt until the Big Strong thing dies from it.

[noble pine]

Haha Utah

[median ore]

Utah is currently capable of taking on things on the tier above it, which is reasonable. Especially since those things can fight back or counteract and get away from it. That being said, Utah still has little risk when trying to use it's pounce, which is how it's so good when a pack actually catches something big and slow.

"Regular size" Utah pack VS a lone Carno, is actually easier for the Carno to survive and escape from than you'd think. The biggest risk you run into, is the Utahs tracking you once you've initially disengaged.

Lone Stego tho? Not much to be done.

I just don't think Utah should be able to (easily) take down a Rex. It'd need overpacking, and the Rex should be able to wreck most of the pack.

[lilac swallow]

The thing is fast but weak is allways better, why? Because slow but strong can allways face a way to Big group of weak animals that ultimately end overpoweribg the Big animal strenght, but a solitary small animal can allways run from Big animals no Matter how Big is the Big animal's group

[median ore]

That's. Kind of how actual animals work though?? Like, balance-wise???? The biggest issue is we humans with our fake virtual animals will be willing to just suicide to take down something big.

Real animals will bail when one or two of even a large pack get killed.

[lilac swallow]

Exactly

[median ore]

BUUUUT, if you make strong things FAST, RIP the little weak things.

[lilac swallow]

Tbh, im such a cowards than whenever some of my group is dead i retreat anyway

Yeah

[median ore]

It should be a constant struggle to play an Apex. Constant. Struggle.

You're a big tank that can wreck most things? Congrats! Now you need to fight to keep your position.

[cedar pulsar]

imagine utahs trying to pounce on a rex and the rex snags one by its tail JP style and throws it off before crunching it

[median ore]

(really should be in #balance-feedback-discussion but we always end up here--)

[median ore]

That's something I'm thinking about, too. Like... Honestly? If you make the big slow things agile while standing still, you'll counteract the majority of the issues with the small things trying to buttride to death.

[warm flame]

yeah I think that's the edit I made a while ago

I can tell because I accidentally pulled the back out a little too long

[normal shuttle]

Ptera wastes too much stam change my mind

[warm flame]

can't change facts

[cedar pulsar]

^

like what vice said it needs to waste less stamina so it can do what it does in the concept art, IE being a generalist that can harass small carnis for their catches

[median ore]

SERIOUS agree here. Not only that, but just... the stam regen when stopped was soooo bad, too. These are suppose to be basically scavengers, fishers, and at most annoyances to other dinos -- they're weak AF, they shouldn't really pose any real threat to anything, and they'll have to land to eat and drink anyway so there will be plenty of chance to catch them if you want.

[cedar pulsar]

i find ptera most similar to a crow or seagull in the grand scheme of things
fisher and scavenger that bothers small carnivores at most, but can be a predator of very young dinos

[warm flame]

ok nvm it isn't mine either, I found my edits and they don't have the extra scutes on the back, here are my edits

and the edit drip posted

[median ore]

BoB's Ptera can actually regen stam when gliding. I can glide forever in BoB -- if Isle just gave their Ptera a little more stam, and made so that only intentional shift-flying to gain altitude / speed resulted in stam loss, it'd balance itself out well I think. Get into the air, glide for the majority of your flight, be able to fly for quite a while, but still need to come down to land to regain stamina.

[nocturne sonnet]

@noble pine best feedback i heard by far for a while

[noble pine]

I’m just tired of it

Deino and ptera have really good animations

But I just know

I just know cerato is gonna be a fucking mess

[elder rivet]

All i ask for is that he doesn't run like a rat

[noble pine]

Allos head is fine imo

But Carno, as a charging animal definitely needs to lower its head

[worn pumice]

also it stops a little too fast

[noble pine]

Fr

[worn pumice]

its like half a stegos weight and it stops in like less then a second

[noble pine]

Turning is way to fast on all dinosaurs except hypsi and dryo

[vast wolf]

except stego*

[worn pumice]

yea stegos turn seems fine for its size

[vast wolf]

stego is clunky because it dosent have a 180 turn animation.

[worn pumice]

ah

[vast wolf]

it has to do the 90 twice which is slow.

[worn pumice]

thats weird actually cuz they made a 180 for trike

but they didnt do it for stego

[vast wolf]

your better off changing direction

[worn pumice]

or did they do it intentionally

[vast wolf]

stegos 180 was planned to be a tripod spin i think.

like a passive damage spin mini attack thing.

[worn pumice]

seems cool

im still confused on why the tail is jab instead of a swing

[golden iron]

if i hear one more person complaining about the lunge and stego again when the devs have already gotten an earful from dozens of other people my heads gonna pop off

its very obviously a new feature they just made, they'll fix it

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/wellness-check-mental-health-check-hammer-gif-15253338

[edgy hamlet]

finally someone mentioned it, was about time. I wanted to mention it but couldnt really find the right words. Welp, lets hope the devs consider overthinking the fact that theyre giving gigantic animals bird-like animations

[noble pine]

Thats what we thought last time we uproared about something

And guess what

They didn’t fucking fix it

[edgy hamlet]

[golden iron]

well, this is something that has to be fixed or it seriously impacts gameplay, so i highly doubt it'll go unchecked

[worn pumice]

teno is great example i wish animations could be

wow

english just failed me right there

lol

[edgy hamlet]

the problem is if we get 5 more dinos that are like that it will very likely not be fixed

[noble pine]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but they’re very prone to ignoring us

[golden iron]

hmmm

[feral wedge]

Carno should be chunkier, as well