general-feedback-discussion

[merry roost]

bro i can see a irl spino rearing up and bitch slapping a rex

[urban flax]

YES

[merry roost]

can make it the space bar since a apex cant jump, so instead it just rears up ina kinda tripod pos to fight

[urban flax]

When I was thinking of spino battle machanics, I thought it could have two tail slaps : one to face the opponent, and one to turn away.^
And if you chain them both you get a spinning spino

[merry roost]

ehhhh

only a tail attack for behind not to go all the way infrint like a stego

the chances of falling is high and why slap somthing when you can just messt claw the man

meat*

[urban flax]

That's why the tail attacks turn the spino around. Either because the opponent is attacking from behind and you need to face it, either to give you some time to swim away (because frog spino isn't running away from anything) if you're losing the fight.

I don't think giving tail slaps could make spino fall. That's why it has such short legs, and it can also use its arms to keep balance when turning.

[merry roost]

Still a tail attack that makes spine turn around is really energy wasteful when the start up fro that and when the dmg comes is longer than a stego swipe, I can see it being a stun attack for behind only but not turning the entire man around when you can just bite still.

Also how mediocre it kinda is

[barren zephyr]

I believe a pins and needles system is planned for afk growers @timid cedar
But awesome suggestion!

[timid cedar]

well im glad theres gonna be one lol

[barren zephyr]

True XD

No worries

[sonic cloud]

@marble kernel or you could just get over the fact that turn-in-place is here to stay and rightfully so considering literally every animal can turn in place

[safe galleon]

how does it make it more fair?

[marble kernel]

Yh but I mean like if it's a function generally coz so many servers disable alt turn and it can get you killed if you accidentally get to a cliff as an example

[barren zephyr]

I believe walking backwards isn't preferred with the devs Cait
That's why they implemented the force alt-like moving for turns

[safe galleon]

just alt turn in the other direction

[marble kernel]

Yh I know and I'm fine with that but because people can disable it for servers it can make things harder, that's all I was saying

[sonic cloud]

They can only disable it in legacy which is irrelevant

[safe galleon]

alt turn is the basic movement system, it can't get disabled thankfully

[marble kernel]

In legacy was what I meaning as a small thing

[safe galleon]

they've left that, I really really doubt they're ever touching it again

[merry roost]

why would they add backwards walking

thats more of somthing they would give later when most of the basics is out the way that they need

[cobalt compass]

@marble kernel legacy would only recieve the barest minimum of attention as evrima is now prioritized

[marble kernel]

true

[sudden kelp]

@zenith onyx to add to your amazing suggestion i feel like there should be a dinosaur/pterosaur that would have the mangrove forest asits natural habitat and eat the small mosas,kronos and elas. Also a megalodon would be easily the apex predator of the ocean and a great white would get killed easily due to it being much smaller than mosa and krono so i think there could be a prehistoric sperm whale called livyatan. It size varied from 14-18 meters long making it as strong or maybe a little stronger than the mosa. Im just saying this because the megalodon was from abt 19-24 meters long and its biteforce was just huge making a mega vs mosa fight in the ocean like a carno vs utah fight on land. And the livyatan would still be a apex but weak enough that a mosa could take it on in a 1v1. And about the whales i love your idea.

Thanks for listening thats all!

[safe galleon]

@broken aspen what exactly are you suggesting?

[azure wadi]

^

I too am confused

[paper geyser]

i think a scent mechanism that tracks the dinosaur itself rather than just footprints

similar to how you sniff out food and water

[safe galleon]

I mean that's just what the footsteps do

[paper geyser]

yeah, he's suggesting that you smell the dinosaur directly

[tepid gate]

I think that could be something that occurs when the dinosaur in question is bleeding profusely.

[paper geyser]

that would be interesting, it'd pretty much act like meat with enough bleeding

[azure wadi]

You have become a walking steak

[hybrid matrix]

the whale ur talking about is literally just moby dick. It's called Livyatan Melvillei lmao

[jagged heath]

What does that mean for my family?

[azure wadi]

what?

[jagged heath]

What does that mean for my dinosaur family?

[cobalt compass]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-eat-garfield-knife-and-fork-eating-time-dinner-time-gif-19321135

dinner time

[jagged heath]

but what if they were herbivores? XD

[azure wadi]

I can’t, ptera isn’t playable yet

[safe galleon]

#spiro-screenshots would beg to differ

nvm they've been removed

[urban flax]

@solar salmon Or have footprints appear very bright then slowly fade as they age

[dire ridge]

Agree

[hybrid matrix]

@versed zodiac i think if ur gonna have a mini game like that where u have a possibility of dying then u should have a skippable "get ready, ur life depends on these instructions."

[versed zodiac]

i can agree

[quasi violet]

@sudden kelp I think the time of gore staying should be shortened to like 45 minutes/1 hour or there will be possible lag when a lot of bodies drop and they become gore

[broken aspen]

Kato basically hit it on the nose, Basically it'd be an additional part of tracking except you'd smell something before you see footprints. For example: Let's say X dino is 500ft away, you can see his tracks at 100ft away, but you catch their scent at 200ft away. I'm not completely sorted on exacts but it would vary by dinosaur so it would probably be an unnecessarily complex addition

[safe galleon]

so it'd be an easier version of the current game?

[cobalt compass]

@sudden kelp uuuumm, ingame day is about 1h (30min day/20min night iirc). most servers do a restart after 12/24h so the gore would stay on some servers the whole time

[broken aspen]

I suppose so, it would make things easier for carnivores which is why I'm having a hard time figuring out how to balance now that the idea has sat with me a few hours.

[safe galleon]

it'd pretty much destroy stealth then if you're able to just sniff a dinosaur without using footsteps

[broken aspen]

Mud would be the counter but no one wants to cover themselves up every couple minutes. It would need additional features to even make it a fun feature

[jagged heath]

@sudden kelp I saw your thing with the body, I think it should go from red to yellow over time, and once it gets to yellow, only cerato would be able to eat it

[sudden kelp]

Ok thanks. But that is if no dinos eat the body

foxy that is a good idea

[safe galleon]

yeah you can't really use mud 24/7, that'd just be annoying

either choose doing a unenjoyable task or get killed by everything able to smell you

[broken aspen]

Exactly, It sounded cool when I thought of it, but it would over complicate the game and make it a living hell for some dinosaurs which is why I honestly think it detracts too much from the player experience

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/689770030485078067/image0.png

@sudden kelp magy already has confirmed attacks

im suspecting it may also get a tail whip of some kind.

[hybrid matrix]

@naive echo The channel description says "Post feedback and suggestions for things you'd like to see in the game or discord here, if you'd like to discuss particular feedback/suggestions please do so in #feedback-discussion"

the channel is for both

[naive echo]

Then I think there should be a rule for people flooding it with "I want x dinosaur in the game for Y reason". It drowns out actual feedback and is literally pointless.

[hybrid matrix]

did u read wut i said?

the channel is for people to suggest things they want in the game, such as dinos and other prehistoric creatures

also read moderation

people get told not to use that channel incorrectly

[tepid gate]

I think Eluvian's point is that feedback and suggestion channels should be separate from one another like they used to be for a very long time. While I can't outright say whether I agree or disagree with that - there are good grounds to make the point he did.

[hybrid matrix]

yea, but if people dont read the channel descriptions then thats on them

[sudden kelp]

Oh really I have only seen tapwings art and i didnt know that means they are confirmed. Sorry if that all was for nothing.

[vast wolf]

they arent really confirmed but based off every other concept they seem pretty set in stone.

[sudden kelp]

Ok. Well if thats true cant wait for the swing abilyty

[thorn glacier]

Also if yall want Beipi in update three make sure to upvote my idea so we can get it in!! :))

[white spruce]

I like the hippo-run for stego, however it's cringe to like your own post

[maiden anvil]

I disliked it as well. I only reacted with those so people could just click on them

Btw, what you think of bigger stego?

[white spruce]

not really, it's plenty large enough now.

[maiden anvil]

Yeah, I only want it to be larger then trike

[soft hedge]

I think the issue with stegos size is it is fine right now but it looks tiny because carno is absolutely massive and so is teno so it takes away from what stego should look like

[maiden anvil]

Good point^. I think all animals are pretty good in size as they are

[soft hedge]

I think that as time goes on they should resize teno and carno but for now they're alright

[abstract zealot]

@jade schooner y put more time,pls remove your emotes 😉

[jade schooner]

it was 7 sec, but I see you changed to 20, I'm content.

[abstract zealot]

^^

i hope they see me

and make the sucho and beipi able to wim underwater

@jade schooner i changed to 3 min is alright?

[jade schooner]

Idk if you needed to change it to that much

[soft hedge]

I can see the swimmers still having breath bars but they go down wayyyyyy slower so deino has a 30-45 min breath bar which would mainly be to stop afk underwater growing and then stuff like sucho would be 5 mins or something and bepi would have 1 minute

[abstract zealot]

yeh but mi idea is the most of the subacuatic dinos will swim underwater,and diferrents dinos can stay more time under water

[soft hedge]

bepi and some other dinos are already confirmed to be able to swim underwater

[abstract zealot]

😮

deam i didnt notice of that

ty^^

[soft hedge]

yeah that's going off their concept art so hopefully it hasn't changed!

[abstract zealot]

.D

[maiden anvil]

@random imp Evrima spin = small Godzilla. It already has a juvie stage

[hybrid matrix]

lmao u just pinged the wrong person dude

[maiden anvil]

Oh shit...

Alright now it’s fixed

[edgy harbor]

@peak oak Please use this channel to talk about stuff in #general-feedback

[peak oak]

did i do something wrong??

[edgy harbor]

You're okay, just keep #general-feedback Limited to actual feedback about the game, not other peoples feedback, you can talk about their suggestions here :D

[peak oak]

oh my bad man

[edgy harbor]

np

[zenith onyx]

@sudden kelp I like your adea. But my idea was just to be a launcher. I only mentioned dinos I think for sure will be in evrima (if oceanic biome does sprout up). So that's why I didn't mention any more giant marine reptiles

sortve like how they did with the first update for evrima, introducing only utah and tenonto, but will add more dinos later on.

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr
There is only a very small chance The Isle will be coming to next gen consoles

We all doubt, even with just simple in-game quality, that The Isle will ever come to phones

||I mean, if you wanted. Play PoT, they have a phone version||

@barren zephyr what is PoT

Path of Titans
Basically new The Isle legacy

[tepid gate]

Path of Titans a dinosaur-mmo similar to legacy Isle

[barren zephyr]

Oh! The isle wannabe game?

Basically

I believe the coder of PoT was from the isle

It's basically Recoded Legacy

[tepid gate]

Made by the ex-lead programmer of The Isle and some other people

[barren zephyr]

^

The game isn't bad but isn't good
No growth, not the best player render distance

[tepid gate]

Has certain things going for itself but it's nowhere near as dynamic as TI from what I've seen

[barren zephyr]

No growth.

They're putting growth in soon

They have one mechanic that would really be cool for the isle

Skin Shedding

I’ll stick to PC then for Isle and like it.

Which basically means, if you picked a certain colour pattern for your dino but then changed it in the selection menu... your skin will start to shed then turn into that

That is kinda sexy I guess

[barren zephyr]

PoT is on Console ||very soon i believe||, Phone and Pc

[edgy harbor]

@barren zephyr Mayyybe on the switch. Maybe.

[barren zephyr]

Oh switch wouldn't be bad

That's if they add offline though

[edgy harbor]

Eh. Nah adding offline won't work with the isle.

[barren zephyr]

Honestly seeing how Amarok has worked on AI, I could see it working if they do implement it

Nani tf is a switch?

Nintendo Switch
Portable console

Bigger then the 3Ds

Ahh. All I could picture was

[barren zephyr]

[edgy harbor]

The AI has a very long way to go before that would be interesting @barren zephyr

And even then TI has never been fun alone for me at least.

[barren zephyr]

Oh i know

A full own single player offline mode with AI, maybe LAN capabilities, wouldn't work yet XD

Wouldn’t be too bad for a herbie, but L O N E L Y

[loud vine]

I don't understand people who play singleplayer on a game with multiplayer as an option

i like the sound of possible ragequitting and hatred

[barren zephyr]

Honestly, aussie internet can be shit

If the internet died, offline mode please

Glances at Ark heh yeah...me neither Eugh

[loud vine]

i mean if your internet is shit i ca understand it

[edgy harbor]

[barren zephyr]

Ark is now on mobile, I has hopes for Isle.

[loud vine]

Slip I remember this one time I managed to get into a base on ark, was heavily guarded, and knock everyone out with a bomb

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, and would he a good way to test abilities without trolls

[loud vine]

then just loot everything while keeping everyone knocked out simply cause gas mask

[barren zephyr]

I mean surely they’ll come out with the sandbox servers for Evrima?

‘Tis what I require for no troll testing.

[barren zephyr]

So so

[loud vine]

I'm sure they would have sandbox ones, especially if they wanna have bugs found fast

[barren zephyr]

I really dislike the idea of deathmatch servers... sandbox honestly pushes it to exist

Although i love sandboxes

[loud vine]

cause most bugs seem to be happening with adult dinos is what ive been hearing

[barren zephyr]

That would be up to the host to demand it not be death match then. I’m sure there are likeminded who just want peaceful fun.

[barren zephyr]

Very much, with the new growth system... it's hard to test without mistakes

[loud vine]

gottcha

[barren zephyr]

Same, that's why i felt like hosting my own server to test things

Being an admin is fun when you own it haha

I agree. I used to admin on a pretty big server. Miss those days.

[loud vine]

well im sure if they implemented sandbox with growth stages you can select and continue growing from

[barren zephyr]

Like /grow 15%

[loud vine]

it would make bug finding easier

yeh

like have select growths to grow up from

[barren zephyr]

I'm guessing Evrima sandboxes will give you slight admin perms

To be allowed to grow yourself to certain percentages

[loud vine]

from 1%, 5, 10, 15, 20, etc

[barren zephyr]

I mean stages are: hatch, 10% - juvie, 50% sub, and up. Something like that

So you can just choose what stage or in between

[barren zephyr]

Or maybe a slide bar

[loud vine]

just to find exact bugs and where

ye

[barren zephyr]

Oooo a sexy slide bar.

[loud vine]

thatd work as well

[barren zephyr]

Yeah... and you could see your growth morph XD

[loud vine]

but it would help if you can choose a growth in sandbox and continue growing from there

then you can help find a bug

[barren zephyr]

Yeah!

On a server that does free growths I test stuff there, but they get you to full100

[loud vine]

oof

[barren zephyr]

Player QA servers would be amazing... alongside an ingame report button

[loud vine]

mhm

[barren zephyr]

Official Test servers

[loud vine]

could suggest that tbh

[barren zephyr]

True

[loud vine]

sandbox with growth selection and you continue to grow from there unless you choose full adult

etc etc

[barren zephyr]

Yeah!

[loud vine]

I won't be surprised if the devs actually consider it for the sake of finding bugs and for players to have sandbox

[barren zephyr]

I'd also say a bleed, health, stamina scroll bar

[barren zephyr]

Yeah! Because there are always bugs that QA don't find

[loud vine]

mhm

[barren zephyr]

Would it be the test map? the basic one with no map design

Or spiro?

[loud vine]

I would do spiro tbh

Spiro is where we'd all play

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

Sounds better

[loud vine]

So it would make sense to find map glitches too

[safe galleon]

I believe the reason for sandbox not being a thing rn is due to the lack of dinos, there aren’t really that many which would make it very plain

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[loud vine]

i remember finding a spot, dont remember the coords, where the river is kinda out on the plaind

plains

like you could drink water in the dirt

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, i wish there was a report section for the map

[loud vine]

wish i remembered where

I'm sure once the update coming up is released, they may consider a sandbox.

[barren zephyr]

There's also a spot on the map which has a tiny crack... you could see the game floor

[loud vine]

oof

[barren zephyr]

@sacred trail
I feel your pain
However not every server made people pay for injections, especially ones i have been in
You're on Legacy so currently only Chinese servers exist there

I'm guessing you're not up to date with development, try evrima

Game is getting better.
Hope you have a great day though, no sarcasm. Come back in a year or two friend!! 😄

@loud vine

Hole

The bugs in Evrima ruin it so much.

Not really. That's just personal opinion.
Although, a hotfix is planned to fix a lot... however Punch said maybe on it

[brave rampart]

@sacred trail Literally all that you've said isn't the devs fault

That's the community itself.
Care bearing cannot be prevented nor can pay to wins (I guess it can? But servers too are allowed to make profit aswell as pay for the servers themselves.)

Please, if you're going to make a feedback, please use common sense.

[hybrid matrix]

^

[thorn glacier]

Lmao man just went went off

For real though just like Rick said, none of that is the devs fault. As for the game itself, of course Legacy is going to be dead, EVRIMA is where it's at

[sudden hinge]

@sacred trail evrima is a thing I recommend looking into it

[thorn glacier]

Also the Chinese servers that are left are chill I've met some great people on them

[barren zephyr]

Yeah! Very true, also the growing chinese playbase is helping the devs money-wise

Lol

@brave rampart thanks XD

[manic knoll]

@sacred trail my guy just play evrima like how the isle intends you to

[brave rampart]

You're welcome 🙂

[barren zephyr]

@loud vine
Sort of mercs being researchers

[arctic nimbus]

@sacred trail You're free to have your own thoughts and opinions on the game and everything that revolves around it, but as the others said, you should look into Evrima. It's in its early stages but it will definitely outclass Legacy in the future.

[loud vine]

in a way since im sure people would get bored of just killing

maybe some would be interested in the fauna and such and could help the others not get killed

since i vaguely remember dondi planning on murderous plants

thatll take what you never knew you even had or such

[barren zephyr]

Totally agree

[loud vine]

could of misheard him, i am hard of hearing

but i feel like thatd be an interesting thing, to have the main mercs themselves, heavily armed

then lightly armed researchers

that mainly see whats the most likely to kill them, whats edible, how everything has thrived here

just adds to the story in a way

[hybrid matrix]

@vestal hound wdym

[loud vine]

well, it does in my opinion, but then again im also someone who loves details and reading

[barren zephyr]

They mean, when you buy the game
It automatically makes you download legacy not evrima

[hybrid matrix]

oh so theyre saying it should make it automatically download evrima instead?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[hybrid matrix]

ok

thnx

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, nw

[barren zephyr]

@deep onyx
I say only certain herbis should be able to cross species herding... depending on its environment and diet

[paper oriole]

When 2 people upvote their own suggestions in a row

O you put both so i gues only moist did the sin

[barren zephyr]

I only leave an upvote and downvote on my suggestion as a prompt to a yes or no

People leave other reactions, it is stupid to an extent, so leaving a :white_check_mark: :x:
Helps

[zenith onyx]

@vestal hound, not everyone has high performance pcs. Some stay in Legacy because its what they can run, not what they want to run. Do that, and most of the isles player base will suddenly disapear

[deep onyx]

Probably, was just a vague suggestion

[barren zephyr]

@zenith onyx
They have been improving performance for Evrima
Strangely enough, some people have been getting higher fps on Evrima then on legacy... and vice versa

[barren zephyr]

Yeah true

[brave rampart]

@barren zephyr Hold the fucking phone

[barren zephyr]

Que?

[brave rampart]

You play Nycta on Evrima perhaps?

[barren zephyr]

Aye....?

[brave rampart]

Do you know a person named Lourac

Cause you're familiar

[barren zephyr]

SON!

[brave rampart]

YES

Didn't expect to see you hear

Here

What's up

How are ya

[barren zephyr]

Sliding into your DMs, dis ain’t the channel

[jade schooner]

@barren zephyr sorry for the tag, but regarding your mix packing for herbivores, tho I don't like the idea, if implemented, sharing a diet isn't the optimal, on the contrary, they should have different requirements, because otherwise there's competition. So let's think every herbivore grazes and eats the current bush. When special diet requirements come (like certain fruits or mushrooms, special bushes or other type of plant, tuber, etc) it would make more sense to have them not compete for the same thing, but go along as a pack for mutual benefit (which more likely is scouting smaller species and protective larger ones).

Still I don't like the idea of mix packing. But hey, who's stopping people for making different animal packs and just follow the same routes and frequent the same places as other packs?

[barren zephyr]

True.
Maybe not relate it to diets but environment...

For example, if a stego thrived in a the NE area of spiro, alongside dryos... but dryos survived off certain types of berries while Stego eating bushes.

The stego and dryo should be able to mixherd, no competition there. Alongside Dryos having a good defensive partner

[jade schooner]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

That's why i said either diet or environment, environment fitting better

[frail light]

How big is the Deinosuchus going to be exactly?

[thorn glacier]

10 meters

[frail light]

It grew up to 12 meters

[abstract lark]

@merry grotto i think that was said in a dev stream iirc

[merry grotto]

Oh, if it was said then ok

Thanks

[abstract lark]

i might be wrong

pretty sure it was though

[random sail]

@merry grotto it has already been confirmed 🙂

[merry grotto]

Nice

[abstract lark]

knew it

[urban flax]

@charred nova How can community give feedback before seeing the concept art ?

[charred nova]

If we know what creature it is we can give feedback in what we want the dino to do. before the concept art is made

[white spruce]

People can whine if it wasn't the creature they wanted

[tepid gate]

^

[urban flax]

Well, that seems janky to me

[charred nova]

Its mainly so there isnt another anky or austro situation again

[tepid gate]

How would you do that without seeing the concept?

[sudden kelp]

@solar salmon I think thats an great idea and it could be a food source for baby pteras too. I was thinking maybe meganeura its wingspan was about the size of a hypsis body making it big enought to actually be capable of getting snapped/bit.

[charred nova]

if we are told what dino it is Cherry for example people can write some ideas for it then when we eventually get the concept art some of the ideas people gave for it can be used.

[jade schooner]

I’m pretty sure the community animal was gonna be like a “pick which one will come first” kind of thing, rather than us having a choice of what animals are ultimately applied to the game

[hybrid matrix]

@warm flame u mean for the camera? u can do that dude
just go into settings

[warm flame]

I CANNOT find it and several frustrated google searches seem to confirm it

[solar salmon]

@sudden kelp YES!

[sudden kelp]

🙂

[paper oriole]

Stego, an unkillable tank?

Tru tho that dryo dodge is trash and so is its juv stage

[safe galleon]

dryo is more unkillable than stego

[paper oriole]

Carnis definitely got favoured treatment with their juv stages

[safe galleon]

honestly don't have an issue with dryo, it's probably my most played evrima dino and it feels completely fine. the dodge is good altough it does feel slow at times

[sudden kelp]

If a stego plays its cards right even 5 utahs mixpacking with 10 carnoscant kill it withous losing like a half of em. Although they can starve it.

I have fought a group of 6 carnos as a stego killed 4 and the other 2 flee. Although they were quite bad.

[dire ridge]

Really ? i don't feel its the case with the utah tbh

[sudden kelp]

Young utah is small fast and very good at turning. Also it does ok dmg. While carno is quite big so its easily spotted slow for its size and not so good at turning. Although it 2 shots a hatch utah and a hatch utah 7 shots him.

To the head I mean

[dire ridge]

slow and not so good at turning ? i find it no so bad but maybe i didn't enough play it

btw, someone know all the stats and multiplier of the dino of evrima ? i'm curious

[sudden kelp]

well a hatch utah is the half of the size of a hatch carno and a carno is a great runner so its wierd a hatch utah is only 4 km/ph slower

[dire ridge]

maybe it's just for balancing i guess

[sudden kelp]

Yes vektor I know all the stats and if u wanna go see the multiplier go watch mrbear on youtube

Yeah

[dire ridge]

do you have a link eventually ?

[sudden kelp]

to mrbear?

[tepid gate]

Fresh spawn Carno is not slow at all for a fresh spawn. It can get taken down by a Utah though due to the superios maneuverability of the latter. I've done it myself more than once now.

[dire ridge]

oh ok i will check

[tepid gate]

The only big disadvantage of the Utah is that it's far less capable of hunting AI Dryos but that's about it.

[dire ridge]

agree

without pounce, its really tough to kill AI dryo

but i kind of liked the idea of hatch utab being a scavenger

My only grip with that is the fact that you can't take meat chunk all the time

[azure wadi]

Hate comment?

What do people who come in here and say this stuff expect to happen?

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-get-it-dont-get-it-dont-understand-gif-12907762

Do they think that they’re funny or do they think that just hating the game and saying how bad it is, is legitimate feedback

[loud vine]

I mean I've seen I assume bots people make on youtube that ask for hate comments on youtubers videos (mainly big youtubers, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, etc)

so idk

[azure wadi]

“He was promptly proven wrong” who’s he?

[loud vine]

shrug

[hybrid matrix]

i mean i can understand hating something if its objectively bad, but if u just hate something bc u can then theres something wrong with u

[loud vine]

Well someone could of also gotten the game and found out it was the opposite of what they wanted at the time

[hybrid matrix]

well then thats just selfish

if its not wut u wanted then y did u buy it and then leave hate messages on the discord server or the steam page

[loud vine]

But TI devs have from what I've been watching on the disc, been working their asses off to improve the game

and secondly, some devs go as far as bots to make their game look good via the like/dislike thing on steam

which can confuse some people

So it'll sound good but its a shit game

[azure wadi]

Wait, I think his “suggestion” is gone

[hybrid matrix]

it is lmao

welp anyway i gtg bc im hungry

[loud vine]

i found the "copy and pasted" rant though

thats still up

and you do that

[azure wadi]

The real question is, did the hater delete it or did a mod

[loud vine]

ill be playing games to get my mind off my nans death

and i would assume a mod

The hater seems like an overly prideful person who wouldn't care what people thought of it

god im tired, havent had a morning coffee

ill be back later, need coffee and to stop talking to people because i hate being social in any shape or form

[sacred trail]

i copied and pasted a review on steam bashing this game, i wanted to see how this discord would react wether or not it would be fairly respectful or an insta ban and toxicity.

[azure wadi]

Ok

[sacred trail]

and yes a mod deleted it 😐

[azure wadi]

You satisfied with the results?

It got deleted because it wasn’t legitimate feedback

[sudden kelp]

To everyone who thinks my suggestion is bad please tell me why it is bad I want to know

[hybrid matrix]

bc burrows arent in the game yet

also dryo is literally a nugget

its whole purpose is to be a nugget

:/

[azure wadi]

Let the nugget nugget

[hybrid matrix]

^

[safe galleon]

dryo doesn't need a buff or something, I play a lot of dryo and have no problems

[white spruce]

the bad response is that dryo should be "nugget". The good response is that dryo is in an ok spot, and the best way to improve where it is is by improving the dodge

no need for yet another burrower

[dire ridge]

what's the max speed of the dryo btw ?

[thorn glacier]

Definitely a feathered remodel for Galli, but for God's sake don't make it look like that

[zenith onyx]

just an example

[sudden kelp]

Ok ty but I think it shouldn't be a nugget

its 50.4 kph

@wintry monolith while that is a interesting idea (eating organs and the other stuff) in the upcomin dietsystem in update 5 you will need to follow a certain diet to grow fast and if you wont you will grow a utah in 5h. So I think it would be a little unnessessary for that Idea to be implemented.

[wintry monolith]

ik but it could be a part of diet system or just taht a juvi would follow another diet than their adult counter part because a adult only needs to keep its strenght and sometimes more when laying eggs because of all the nutriets that are in the egg to help the baby develop in the egg but hatch,juvis and subs are growing and developing so would need to eat more frequently and difrent things but not as big portions as a adult

[cobalt compass]

why are you writing like that, it gives me headaches??

[white spruce]

I like how out of the entirety of that sentence, only 1 comma was included.

[cobalt compass]

even more disturbing

[white spruce]

I think it would've been better if there was no punctuation at all, but they decided to include only one punctuation.

It becomes even more powerful

[cobalt compass]

thats not how it works

[dire ridge]

And the AI Dryo ? cause i'm almost certain that those f***** are not running at just 50.4 km/h, they seems much faster

[paper geyser]

i tried reading that suggestion in my head and i still felt out of breath

[azure wadi]

“Dinosaurs should poop” no, just no

[queen mortar]

#general-feedback message @solar salmon the game already has a feature where footsteps fade with time, it could certainly be more noticeable of a change though

[maiden anvil]

@zenith onyx this may not be relevant to your suggestion but Brontosaurus didn’t exist. It’s all apatosaurus. And also, I’d rather compare Magy to something like a Maia then to a apato. Most because it’s similar size and I don’t see magy to be as slow as everyone thinks

[safe galleon]

bronto did actually exist

[honest sparrow]

Wrong, brontosaurus a couple years ago was re-instated as it’s own genus, as for the suggestion allo already has been stated to be a grappler, and due to the new animations and speed it seems to be a fast ambush grappler that specializes in mid sized prey

[thorn glacier]

Yeah, Bronto is back in paleontology
I cried when I heard, I missed my boy

[hybrid matrix]

@thorny crag in theory ur idea is awesome, and i love it, but like u said, it would be VERY hard to code and it would take a very very very long time do implement, and there's already the regional spawn system

[maiden anvil]

Oh what!? Boy don’t I feel stupid. Paleontology is a bloody rollercoaster

[white spruce]

happened 5 years ago

actually, it's 2021 now so 6

[thorny crag]

ye but i still think it would be worth it. sure more people ask for specific dinos here and specific mechanics which also sums up to much work and effort spent. I think this would take huge resource but many games already did that, there is forums where game devs help each other, there is even community members who code and would love to help them for free just to help getting the game to evolve faster for free. idk. imo the things that help make grouping and playing together fun, risky and rewarding are very interesting to me and others. I'd love seeing the game succeed..

but anyways it's their vision and game, just giving it some thought, not more. i have no idea how this would work really, 0 coding experience lol

[zenith onyx]

what do u guys mean? its still a sauropod?

or no?

[hybrid matrix]

i think if they did decide to add it then it would get added in a long long long time from now

but like i said, i think its a great idea, not sure if it would work tho

[zenith onyx]

fixed the problem in my suggestion

[thorny crag]

I'd also like singleplayer mode in this game once ai works and is plentyful, like imagine that, nesting with ai, hunting, being hunted by ai, grouping with ai.... sure there would be bugs but if that would work in general that would be a mode I'd play, or maybe play with up to 10 friends, u can also set the difficulty if the behavior is balanced out on each setting. I bet ppl would mod this if u give it a year or 2.

endless possibilities

[barren zephyr]

a singleplayer/offline mode with the ability for LAN

[thorny crag]

gosh yea

[barren zephyr]

would love to see it

[thorny crag]

I'd love to have a friends list inside of isle, to easily see someone play and maybe have a buttos spawn/join as same species if u click on a friend

then u just spawn as juvie of his species around the area

[barren zephyr]

yeah!

it should give you the ability to use admin powers

[thorny crag]

or if the friend is adult u can ping him if he wants to nest heh (with the friend having the option to disable getting pings)

[barren zephyr]

for game testing

[thorny crag]

admin powers nah heh just having it easier to play with friends

but thats just my opinion

[barren zephyr]

maybe

[barren zephyr]

@mystic pewter
I believe the only sounds/audio you should be able to turn down or up on should be music (unless you don't like sound in general, you can turn off Master volume)

sounds exploitable if you can turn down environmental volume, unless you're able to turn down in-game volume (forgot the technical name, but everything made by player sounds/environment)

@zenith onyx
The devs aren't wanting true Paleo accuracy in every dinosaur, also- not sure where you got that model

[zenith onyx]

I never said it was true

[barren zephyr]

I know

[zenith onyx]

I just said it lacks something right now

[barren zephyr]

also where did you find that model photo?

[zenith onyx]

google

lol

[barren zephyr]

ahh- I believe that could be an old model or a model from another game

[zenith onyx]

maybe..idk but it looks good, it could look similar to it or not.

[barren zephyr]

yeah

if you wanna compare, look at the Acro concept art that is in #phase-two-archive somewhere

[paper oriole]

That looks better than the “when somebody touches ur neck” acro concept we have for evrima rn

[barren zephyr]

@cursive mesa
we're getting a map function soon

[cursive mesa]

When? Like in the next update? Because the mountains and layout will continue to be annoying until then

[barren zephyr]

Most probably in the UI update, 4

[cursive mesa]

And we're on?

[icy lion]

3 is next

[barren zephyr]

2, just on 3

[cursive mesa]

Fantastic

[barren zephyr]

should be around 3-4 months

@tawny anchor yes, it'll have a pounce

[cursive mesa]

I'd argue that it should be sooner

[barren zephyr]

lunging out of the water

[barren zephyr]

it could, if devs see it good

[icy lion]

devs want 3 by the end of jan but its not a guarantee

[barren zephyr]

but people just use Vulnona

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/

[paper oriole]

Cory is too close to para, would be better as a skin

[barren zephyr]

^

or a mod

[paper oriole]

We're not that short on hadros with para, maia and shant

[icy lion]

cory was replaced by para actually

[paper oriole]

I kno and theyre too similar to bother having both as separate playables lol

[icy lion]

definitely

[barren zephyr]

... more likely to be AI, but the chances of that is quite low

[paper oriole]

Eh if species skins come im sure some buried assets like cory and carchar might be used

[frail light]

Are the Acro and Cama sizes ever going to be fixed in legacy?

[barren zephyr]

@tame turret
they are improving everything with the UI update in update 4

[barren zephyr]

legacy is not being fixed, old code. Last time they tried fixing Legacy it broke terribly

[frail light]

Even if it's just resizing two models?

[paper oriole]

Yes

[frail light]

Alright

[barren zephyr]

pretty much

[paper oriole]

Literally anything they do can cause a domino effect

[barren zephyr]

even fixing bugs makes more bugs

[frail light]

So currently the confirmed creature roster for Evrima is:
Utahraptor
Tenontosaurus
Dryosaurus
Hypsilophodon
Carnotaurus
Stegosaurus
Pteranodon
Deinosuchus
Pachycephalosaurus
Dilophosaurus
Troodon
Ceratosaurus
Magyarosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Herrasaurus
Galimimus
Oviraptor
Tyrannosaurus Rex

Is that correct?

[barren zephyr]

in the trello, yes
not everything that is confirmed is in there

[frail light]

What else has been confirmed

[barren zephyr]

from #401464048610312195
Isle ROUGH playable roster list (as we know now):
CURRENT GAME: Utahraptor, Dilophosaurus, Carnotaurus, Ceratosaurus, Allosaurus , Suchomimus, Tyrannosaurus, Giganotosaurus (Remodel/Rework in the future), Dryosaurus (Getting remodel), Gallimimus, Pachycephalosaurus, Maiasaura, Parasaurolophus, Diabloceratops, Triceratops
AI Only: Orodromeus, Psittacosaurus, Avaceratops, Velociraptor various fish species
Planned soon after recode: Troodon (First few), Compsognathus (First few), Tenontosaurus (First few)
Hypsilophodon (First few), Spinosaurus (Rework), Deinosuchus, Pteranodon, Stegosaurus (Rework), Kentrosaurus (older model being implemented), Beipiaosaurus, Magyarosaurus, Monolophosaurus (older model being implemented), Minmi, Homalocephale, Oviraptor, Protoceratops (older model being implemented)
Distant Reworks/New Animals: Therizinosaurus, Herrerasaurus, Austroraptor, Baryonyx, Ankylosaurus, Camarasaurus, Diplodocid (Mentioned due to new tail physics 1/18, but could be AI), Megalania (Mentioned in January 24 QNA Stream)
Maybe eventually: Acrocanthosaurus (Jake wants a remodel), Albertosaurus (Don wants a remodel), Pachyrhinosaurus (low priority old model), Shantungosaurus (Would need a remodel and heavy rework), Plateosaurus (Older model, very large), Brachi (AI "for now), Quetzalcoatlus (would need a rework), Titanoboa (mentioned by kissen/don/filipe 1/24)
Scrapped:
Puertasaurus (replaced with Brachi who is AI?)
Last time I will post this list, fixed some mistakes and will edit for future changes

[frail light]

Titanoboa is going to be maybe get added to Evrima?

I thought it was too difficult to animate

[barren zephyr]

yep

[frail light]

Cool

So theres going to be two Cenozoic animals

Neato

I hope more aquatic based creatures get added eventually

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[frail light]

Wasn't Tylosaurus being considered at some point?

[barren zephyr]

no idea XD

[crude girder]

Several of the devs, but mainly the main animator mentioned they wanted to do an aquatic expansion post release, and the main goal of the game is to create a base for people to make their own things out of it, with the survival just being the default

That's been the case for like... 3 years iirc?

[feral wedge]

@thorn glacier Don't make posts like that in feedback. Keep it to actual feedback or suggestions.

[barren zephyr]

I believe Punch talked about an aquatic expansion in a YouTube video

[crude girder]

Regardless, any sort of expansions are likely going to be post 1.0

[barren zephyr]

yep

[crude girder]

Since you know, you need a game to expand off of first

[barren zephyr]

a long and far time away

[barren zephyr]

haha

[thorn glacier]

Mkay

[frail light]

That would be amazing

It would be cool to see marine reptiles in the game like Tylosaurus or Kronosaurus

[crude girder]

True, but also we would need proper aquatic environments

[barren zephyr]

yep, not just swamp/river/ocean

maybe a coral reef, and other types of reefs

[frail light]

It would be cool even if you had them as AI ocean guards at first so that nothing swims too far out to sea

Like I'm pretty sure Kronosaurus could kill everything ingame

[modern stone]

@zenith onyx a diplodocid is already planned

whatever this is

it shouldnt replace cama though

[twin burrow]

That's Apatosaurus

[dapper pulsar]

Wasn't that canned

[barren zephyr]

As far as I'm aware it's an old model

[sudden kelp]

Anyone know if cera is goin to be stronger than carno?

[solid wedge]

it is in legacy, so itll likely be a bit more powerful in evrima but slower

[sudden kelp]

Ok ty

Do u guys think deino will 1 shot utahs?

[azure wadi]

Probably

[safe galleon]

hopefully

[sudden kelp]

Ok

[safe galleon]

<@&401466542140817419> vid in #general-feedback that crashes discord

nvm they deleted it

[feral wedge]

Too late.

[safe galleon]

it's in #401470471750811669 now

[azure wadi]

Cerato doesn’t necessarily have horns, they’re more like crests and would not work well for attack at all

They’d probably get damaged if they are used for attacking

[safe galleon]

could probably work just as a little shove, I mean so far it only has a bite which is kinda boring

[azure wadi]

I’m sure the devs have come up with something but using its horns in combat isn’t the best option

[abstract zealot]

yeh you re right,y erase mi comment

[wary sparrow]

A mouth grapple that aims for the neck would be better(similar to how cerato pins down a juvie deinosuchus in it’s concept art)

[azure wadi]

I worded that so badly

[wary sparrow]

Np

[azure wadi]

What I was trying to say is that it could do increased bleed while latched on

[wary sparrow]

Mhh that could work too but I thought more of raw damage and maybe slight fractures because I don’t see cerato as a animal that really uses bleed

[azure wadi]

True, it’s kinda like a hyena so fractures would make sense

[safe galleon]

I'd say a pin with damage is enough, you can just have a packmate come in and attack it

[wary sparrow]

I think the grapple would be a neat high risk high reward thing where it takes a lot of stam and if you miss it you can be quite vulnerable but it would be very lethal if Landed

[wary sparrow]

Yea raw damage is good enough

[sudden kelp]

Yeah thats a good idea

[paper oriole]

“Make gameplay more fun”
“Force players to-“

Pick one lol

[wintry monolith]

well making gameplay fun and more interactive, the game kinda needs to force you to do stuf. for example the implemation of stam is making gameplay more fun by being abel to run and therfore be abel to hunt more things but is also forcing you to manged you stam and rest to get stam same for food and water it gives you a mechanich taht needs maintaining everything cant be only fun. It only needs to have more of the fun part than the forcing part

[paper oriole]

yeah but there's a clear difference between 'forcing' you to manage your stam, something that is totally up to you, and halting a player's growth until they migrate to certain areas for a new plant

stam is a resource that is up to you to manage, what is suggested there is not player choice as it will ruin their gameplay if they don't go where the game tells them to

[wintry monolith]

yeah but taht is a mechanich to make you not get bored wating on ur food and water to drop and go eat and drink or wating for smt to call so you can find it and kill it

[paper oriole]

sounds like it'd make playing herbi more boring imo, i don't want the game making forced decisions for me and preventing me from progressing if i don't

[wintry monolith]

you can always just eat the food taht wont posion you but not boost you

[paper oriole]

encouraging and rewarding proper diet for your dino is much better than saying "lol fuck you, you can't grow because you didn't eat this fern"

[wintry monolith]

just go for to +/- game

tahts not the diet system they are giving you a diet taht will help you but i wont be abel to not eat a dryo bc a utah like stego the most and dryo is just a meal that wont give me any efects

[paper oriole]

requiring more variation for your dino and meeting those requirements can boost growth, only eating one thing shouldn't, eating things you shouldn't should slow it. the suggestion implies that your dino will decide it wants to move somewhere to get a certain plant at different points of its grow stage and just flat out prevent you from progressing if you don't.

[wintry monolith]

yes the growth should be completly stoped for not eating a varied diet but it should over time punish you for not eating the right things as in you become weaker and weaker until you get everything needed for a healthy diet and start recovering agien

[sudden kelp]

How can I add a google docs?

[wintry monolith]

you need to press share then make a link that make so ppl can only see it and not edit

[sudden kelp]

@fringe orchid me too!

[cobalt compass]

@jagged heath its heavely unlikely that a carry mechanic will be implemented, since it doesnt suit every species and the ones that could, would gain an advantage over other. thats just one balance reason, other are eg carrying a hatchling so long that its either subadult or, what i guess would the case doesnt grow at all while being held.

i save this text now as a copy paste template, as so many ppl suggest the same idea that has been debunked officially by the dev team

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[solid wedge]

@jagged heath If they let Baby deino hang out on the back of their parents, its possible they can stay on while their mother is moving

Then we have a carry method thatll be a bit easier yo use

[barren zephyr]

@terse hornet That wasn't discussion, I was giving my feedback.

[terse hornet]

sorry about that, it looked like discussion when I was skimming through the channel you may repost it if you like 👍

[last widget]

@terse hornet so let me guess- the problem will just exist till it magically gets fixed? like i don't demand a fix rn but that's just retarded. i'm not re-posting the feed back. pointless to even point out since it wont be fixed until 3 months down the road till they actually finish update 3. so ig this just most perfect game can bathe in its issues- just like legacy bet no one has even noticed how broken shadows are in the game in legacy..

[terse hornet]

That's usually how bugs and other broken things in early development games work. They exist until they get fixed. The devs are aware of the broken shadows in legacy, however legacy code is such a mess that just removing hypos from the game messed up a ton of much more impactful things besides the shadows. And the devs had to fix those things just to get legacy back to working. Right now legacy is about as stable as they can make it without it snowballing into worse things than shadows breaking. Also legacy is not recieving any more updates as it will be replaced by evrima once evrima has reached a point of equal or better stability.

I understand you are frustrated with the current bugs in the game but it is a work in progress and still very early development considering the scale of the finished game. These problems will be fixed in time.

[paper geyser]

once again someone reacting to their own suggestion

[terse hornet]

eh they can only react once I don't let it bother me

[paper geyser]

but while on the topic of deino, i feel like the actual bite part looks a little off. I think it might be the delay or the way it snaps shut

looks a little mechanical

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[terse hornet]

it does look a little slow, irl they whip around lightening quick. It's possibly that there are some technical restrictions we don't know about like maybe if they make the model move too fast the mesh gets wonky who knows

But ya it does look a bit slow

[paper geyser]

mhm that's it, i think just the speed at which everything happens looks uhh

choreographed?

not sure how to describe it

[terse hornet]

looks kinda stiff, like a old man corcodile

my back

[zenith onyx]

@modern stone lol. That's from another game

[modern stone]

no?

[zenith onyx]

yeah

Its from dinosaur park builder game

[modern stone]

thats an old model, but its still from the isld

isle*

I think you're confusing it with pue

pue's model came from mesozoica

Wait

not mesooza

whatever its spelt

I think its the stomping lands

[zenith onyx]

Pue and that model both came from another game

same for the acro model

[modern stone]

No, the Apato model is from the isle

search it up on the wiki thing

[zenith onyx]

wikipedia? you know that's the least trusted website on the planet right?

[terse hornet]

I'm not sure the isle ever had an apatosaurus model

[modern stone]

no the isles wiki

[terse hornet]

isles wiki is an unofficial and very outdated source at this point I wouldn't trust it imo

[modern stone]

its not like the apato model suddenly becomes not made for the isle just because it has a page on the wiki

I'm like 90% sure it was modeled for

never seen anything like it anywhere else

[terse hornet]

that's not what I'm saying it's possible they made a model for it a long time ago but it never was in game

[modern stone]

yeah

thats what it is

an old outdated model

point is

apato shouldn't replace cama

cama is unique

and cool

and apato is lame

and stupid

[azure wadi]

Wait, so someone wants them to change possibly the best and most well done animation in the game, I’m sorry, what

[zenith onyx]

thank you

How is Camara unique?

[azure wadi]

Also that’s deino’s lunge, it’s not designed to bite their legs, it’s to bite their heads

[modern stone]

I dont think I can name more then 1 dino survival game (if you can even call it that) that also has camara

and I dont anyone else can name it since it's pretty obscure

[zenith onyx]

So?

[modern stone]

plus camara is already confirmed for EVRIMA

its been teased too in the hope trailer

[zenith onyx]

where?!

I never saw Camara

I saw baby brachis

[modern stone]

in the scavenger compy scene

also those were troodons

but

[azure wadi]

It’s walking in the background when the compies are eating the trike

[modern stone]

before it zooms in

theres a shot of it walking in the background

it only lasts like a second

but its there

[zenith onyx]

ima go watch it and see for myself

[modern stone]

here you go

[azure wadi]

I’m still confused at the fact that people want to change deino’s lunge, it’s so good

[modern stone]

true

[zenith onyx]

dude that's a brachi

it looks just like brachi

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[modern stone]

BRUH

[azure wadi]

I’ve never seen a brachi with such a short neck

[zenith onyx]

what? the scene were the sucho is fishing? u see a similar sauropod in the back, its a brachi

[modern stone]

that is a brachi, in that scene

in this scene it isnt

[zenith onyx]

Also remember that there will be differen't sized brachis in Evrima

[modern stone]

yeah

[zenith onyx]

juvies, subs, and adults

[modern stone]

brachi is going to be at most, its biggest size irl

[azure wadi]

Brachi doesn’t have a Juvie model

[modern stone]

^^

[zenith onyx]

yeah its does

[modern stone]

not yet

[zenith onyx]

look it up

[modern stone]

post

and source

[azure wadi]

Show us

[zenith onyx]

look all im saying, is that I don't see anything going forward with camara

[modern stone]

You are intentionally being ignorant

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-ugh-stanley-rolls-eyes-gif-9403428

[modern stone]

the devs already confirmed cama is getting a rework in the future

its been teased in the trailer

what more do you want

[zenith onyx]

um where exactly did they mention that cama was getting a rework?

[azure wadi]

All old sandbox dinosaurs that are confirmed for evrima get reworks

[modern stone]

give me a moment

[zenith onyx]

And they've posted stuff about sauropod AI getting smaller forms for smaller predators to hunt

[azure wadi]

It’s funny how you didn’t admit that you’re wrong and immediately tried to start something else to hide the fact that you were wrong and won’t admit it

[zenith onyx]

about what?

[azure wadi]

That camara was going to be in evrima

[solid wedge]

@barren zephyr it looks stiff on land cause its more of an aquatic dino, alligators are pretty stiff looking until they are threatened on land

[zenith onyx]

Cama is not in evrima

[azure wadi]

I worded my statement wrong

[thorn linden]

i was about to say

[zenith onyx]

there' s ntohing they could do taht would unmake it a "bad animal"

[barren zephyr]

I understand, I was mainly pointing out at the tail in the bite animation

[azure wadi]

How is it a bad animal?

[modern stone]

theres a different quote somewhere though I couldn't find it

[barren zephyr]

Same with the animation for when it's swimming, likely was still a WIP but doesn't hurt to point out I guess

[thorn linden]

still subject to change i would say tbf

[barren zephyr]

Mostly likely, yes

[zenith onyx]

look, its slow, its constantly hungry and starves to death, can't really fight apexes.

[azure wadi]

That’s legacy camara

[zenith onyx]

And even if they were to fix those problems in evrima, we'd still face the same problem of it being super slow, thus making it difficult to use in a fight

its not designed very well

[azure wadi]

You don’t need to be fast to win a fight

[zenith onyx]

And don't give me the crap about it being faster in Evrima, because if they did give a speed boost, it would seriously make it look stupid

[azure wadi]

Also it’s design, like every other sandbox dino will change

[zenith onyx]

yes I know that

I just don't see how they could possibly chang it in a way taht actually benefites it

besides being AI. I can totally see it being AI

[azure wadi]

Some people like to play as a giant slow tank of a dinosaur

[zenith onyx]

I know that, but atleast anky can defend itself in Evrima, its going to have special armor that reduces fracture dmge, and bleed resistance because of some scale they have (Irl)

which they said it would have

Camara doesn't have any of that

[azure wadi]

So you’re telling me that the 20m + sauropod, with a bone shattering whip tail is not gonna be able to defend itself

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-sir-wonka-angry-gif-4938393

[zenith onyx]

Apatosaurus will have the wip tail

[barren zephyr]

Sorry if this seems a bit irrelevant but before making some kind of suggestion on this I wanna get some general mixed opinions:

Is there anyone that thinks some of the things they should add sometime soon is Avas or at least ambushing + indicator for ambushing during player/AI hunts? I know it's highly controversial that raising the AI rates, making it easier to hear/spot them is very wishy washy as half the people like the way it is and others don't. Perhaps adding ambushing might make it easier for carnivores from juvie - adult have an easier time without having to go starving due to there being a lack of players active or just difficulty in hunting AI.

[zenith onyx]

Camara is going to need another attack, otherwise they just be making a sauropod that does exactly the same thing as another.

And I think Juvies should be the only ones who can have Ambush

[barren zephyr]

?

[zenith onyx]

like juvi carnivores can have ambush, adults can't

gives juvis something unique over the adults

[barren zephyr]

I know but you know predators in general ambush their prey right..

Mostly adults

[azure wadi]

I’m pretty sure punch said he doesn’t want ambush to make a come back, I could be wrong but I remember reading something like that

[zenith onyx]

yes, doesn't mean they should be faster then normally running. SO juvies and have a charged sprint to catch faster prey, while adults simply have to wait until its close enough to run and attack.

But that's what I think should happen anyway for that mechanic

toodles

[barren zephyr]

My brain just died. So he wants: to not add ambushing for predators in a realistic dinosaur survival game.

[azure wadi]

You can crouch and stalk, but you won’t get a speed boost from it

[hybrid matrix]

realistic? scoffing noises

[zenith onyx]

What I meant was that juvies would CHARGED sprint while adults will have non charged sprint.

[azure wadi]

Yeah all realism is thrown out the window when these things are around

[barren zephyr]

It's confirmed?

[azure wadi]

What?

[zenith onyx]

hypos? hell they announced weren't going to be in Evrima

[hybrid matrix]

also my pfp proves how unrealistic the game is

[zenith onyx]

That's just a upgraded elder rex

[azure wadi]

I’m sorry what

[zenith onyx]

with a few perks

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I know Elders are gonna be a thing

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut I want

[azure wadi]

Hypos are gonna be a thing, and that is hypo rex

[barren zephyr]

I'm eager to see those, not sure when those are gonna get added in an update along with pattern schemes

[azure wadi]

There was never an announcement that confirmed that they won’t be a thing

[zenith onyx]

They said elders would be replacing hypos

[hybrid matrix]

just imagine, ur an elder rex and ur looking at ur perk tree and u just see "hyperendocrin perk: become a fuckin chad"

[barren zephyr]

So a less op hypo

[azure wadi]

Um no they didn’t

[hybrid matrix]

if elder troodon is a thing i wanna see that XDDD

[barren zephyr]

Elder Acro when it gets added

[zenith onyx]

Elder trike

[barren zephyr]

Elder trike is gonna make rex cri

[hybrid matrix]

elder troodon with hyperendocrin chad perk

[azure wadi]

When did they say anything about hypos being removed?

[barren zephyr]

@hybrid matrix deinosuchus is a Crocodilian, you can just get inspiration from its closest living relatives

What would a sauropods elder look like..

[zenith onyx]

They didn't say they were gonna be removed, just replaced by elders

[hybrid matrix]

well idk how crocodiles run and i thought that could look cool

[azure wadi]

Prove it

[zenith onyx]

I just used the word removed

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention it's just not very mobile on land, nor is it meant to be

[zenith onyx]

Dondi said it in a stream of his

[azure wadi]

They never said anything about them being replaced

[hybrid matrix]

obviously i wasnt saying make it as fast as the dimetrodon

[zenith onyx]

Elders would take the place of Hypos " - Dondi Joseph White

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-intensifies-gif-14242619

[barren zephyr]

I hope they do

[zenith onyx]

JUst look it up for yourself if you don't believe me

[azure wadi]

Just because you quote it doesn’t mean anything, give me one source and one person who can back up your claim and I’ll believe you

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like there r 5 different conversations happening rn

[hybrid matrix]

dondi isnt on discord anymore

[azure wadi]

How would I look it up if it was said on stream?

[barren zephyr]

Imagine that Elder is just another term they're using to substitute the process of your dinosaur developing into the hypo stage but calling it something else through the perk system.

[urban flax]

I still don't understand why people think elders and hypos are related in any way. Elders are vey old dinos, hypos are genetically modified. And I highly doubt perks will allow dinos to become hypos (or neurotenic or tissoplastic variants, because they exist too), they will spawn as such. I don't know how, but it sounds dumb that by following a certain diet, a dino can suddendly gain telekinetic powers.

[azure wadi]

Exactly they’re very different

[urban flax]

Hyper rex is actually twice the size of a regular rex btw

[hybrid matrix]

tell that to my 10-step essential oils meditation program

[azure wadi]

Perks are what help you become a hypo, but elders and hypos are still different

[urban flax]

(and not Hypo rex, why do everyone call it like this ?)

[hybrid matrix]

its cooler than hyper rex
if u just say hyper rex ur gonna think of an energetic dinosaur running around killing things
if u say hypo rex ur gonna think of a god amongst dinosaurus running around killing things
duh

[azure wadi]

I heard the gaming beaver say it and I’ve been stuck saying hypo for the rest of my life

[solid wedge]

its a bit bigger than that

[hybrid matrix]

was it beaver that started the hypo thing?

[urban flax]

But hyper rex has more Rs
And Rs are scary

[azure wadi]

No but I heard it from beaver

[solid wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CchSNoXbkw0

[hybrid matrix]

no, Os are scarier

[urban flax]

Who the hell are scared of Os ?

[azure wadi]

I prefer hypo and will always say it like that but who cares how you say it

[hybrid matrix]

those arent regular rexes, those r magnas right???

[hybrid matrix]

cheerie ppl

[thorn linden]

pretty sure they are not

[solid wedge]

those a regualur adults

[thorn linden]

^

[hybrid matrix]

rlly??

idr the rex model having that feature on its back

[thorn linden]

magna is second biggest

[azure wadi]

It’s a shame that when I brought evidence to win the debate the person I was debating with had left

[thorn linden]

or at least was this is quite old

[hybrid matrix]

wtf is next to the rex

[azure wadi]

Which rex

[thorn linden]

well said

[hybrid matrix]

the old TI rex. the rex that is to the right of the magna (our left) has some sort of satan rex to its right (again, our left)

[azure wadi]

Oh, that’s a more recent but still old rex model

[barren zephyr]

Does magna rex do any justice to Primal Carnage in your opinion

[hybrid matrix]

just to be clear we R talking about the same rex right? also no it doesnt soup

[urban flax]

The more I look at those rexes, the more I think I would love a feathered rex in evrima.

[hybrid matrix]

also y tf did i capitalize the r

[urban flax]

And feathered spino too.
And feathered every dino. I like feathers.

[barren zephyr]

I'd sort of agree the same tbh

[hybrid matrix]

y would spino have feathers tf??

[urban flax]

Why not ?

It was a theropod after all, not a crocodilian

[hybrid matrix]

its an aquatic dino, feathers would be useless

[barren zephyr]

Scales are a norm for Theropods anyway

[hybrid matrix]

wut would it use the feathures for

[barren zephyr]

Not only is it semi-aquatic, it's gigantic and tropical

[urban flax]

style
And I imagined it having a feathery mane to protect its neck from other big dinos

[hybrid matrix]

how do feathers offer any protection

[urban flax]

The same way as fur does

[hybrid matrix]

wut?

[urban flax]

Y'know, like for lions

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't offer protection

Lions have that mane for display

And it'd only hamper with swimming in the case of the spinosaur

It already has a giant sail anyway, so it can use that for display.

[hybrid matrix]

its not like the murder penguin

beipi

beipi is the murder penguin

he-hello?

anyone in the chat??

[urban flax]

you upset me

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[urban flax]

But murder penguin is good

Although I would like if devs took a little less inspiration from modern animals

[thorn linden]

@dry osprey what you suggested is actually how the stam battle mechanic works

that is how deino will play ingame

[dry osprey]

Did I miss it on the trello? I didn't see mention of its grip bite having stam draining effects, I just didn't see bleed doing Dieno any good.

Granted I kno bleed has stam reducing effects, however by then whatever would of been bit would be well away from the water.

[thorn linden]

it is not on trello but it is confirmed

[dry osprey]

aight my bad then, I must of missed the stream(?) This was confirmed. From the looks of how bleed works I assumed it would bring bleed up to its stam-draining amounth, which I didn't see really making sense since Dieno isn't built for causing large bleed damage.

[thorn linden]

it was confirmed quite a while back the stam battle

maybe that is why you didn't know

[dry osprey]

Highkey probably forgot with the implimation of the bleed system, thanks.

[thorn linden]

np

[barren zephyr]

Anyone else think deinos legs look really weak?

[azure wadi]

Nope, they look like that of a crocodile to me

[thorn linden]

^

[azure wadi]

I see no problem here

[safe galleon]

@livid tusk discuss in here

[livid tusk]

Ok

[edgy harbor]

What Gilbert said.

[livid tusk]

Anyone think that they should add blood in water

[solid wedge]

if the deino was to kill something in the water?

[livid tusk]

Yes

[safe galleon]

that'd be a nice detail

[livid tusk]

That or a bleeding animal sits by a river

It would add fun in hunting

Blood mechanics in general need an update.

[solid wedge]

You should suggest it

[livid tusk]

Ok

Just want to know if it’s worth a suggestion

[solid wedge]

maybe use a picture or video to show the blood in the water too

[edgy harbor]

That's a cool suggestion

[wise delta]

But will deino be able to eat within the water?

It would make sense right

And it has actually been confirmed that the deino will be able to grab dinosaurs

?

[hybrid matrix]

i mean if the prey is small enough ig it should be able to swallow it whole in the water

[wise delta]

That should be possible

[livid tusk]

I think they already have the effect for blood in water

[vestal hound]

@thorn linden I like the way you are thinking in which you want to give flyers a predator that hunts them. The problem I see currently is that most people would just choose the eagles then and there being nothing that predates the haast except for cannibalism.
Also, I personally (this is also how I feel about pelagornis btw) am not all that pumped for getting actual proto/birds in the game

[thorny lynx]

Pteras have ways of hiding, though. They could take a green camo skin and roost in tree branches or a grey camo skin and be a rock dweller.

[vestal hound]

its not about them not being hunted
I am thinking about how the problem with haast having no predators will play out.
pteras won't be so much of a problem for anything bigger than a juvie and will probably not engage bigger dinos
haast would

[livid tusk]

Maybe if a flying creature attacked something too big it would get concussion and lose stamina and a bit of health

[hybrid matrix]

quick q: wut does /gr and /lo do? ive never seen that mentioned b4

[icy lion]

it quick swaps you to group or local

just like pressing tab does

their suggestion is to be able to type something like "/gr on me" and swap you to the chat and send the message

wait, sorry

they mean they dont want the swap

so you can stay in global but still type in group using /gr

[thorn linden]

I mean same could be argued for ptera right now also if we think about it haast can always be ambushed whilr it is on the ground

[thorn linden]

Hasst would not engage anything bigger than galli or it would be killed

Tho i like that you gave me feedback i will try to think of a way to make haast even more viable via your feedback so thanks

[normal shuttle]

Tribals are big clever monkees

[thorn linden]

Also in a way i think haast should kinda be an "apex of the skies" if you want so not having predation in the sky it is not a problem IMO just like how rex doesn't get predation on land

But on the ground haast should be really weak

[vestal hound]

hmhm in general I think flyers should be almost guaranteed snacks on land
if it is like the rex of the sky it is probably of interest for human/humanoid players to hunt them, maybe because of their feathers or something

[thorn linden]

Good idea feathers could be used maybe for some sorth of clothing for tribals

[vestal hound]

or even arrows if they actually craft

[thorn linden]

Ohhh true good idea

[thorn linden]

Actually you should suggest that lol

And i don't necesearly mean feathers from haast but maybe from pela to or AI birds

[vestal hound]

yeah just as long as nothing has noone hunting them the game will at least be a bit balanced

[thorn linden]

Yeah agreed

Really cool idea

[thorn linden]

@mystic pewter may i know the reason wht you didn't like my suggestion

I need feedback in order to know how to make the suggestion better

There was also neuro but i can't tag him for some reason

[mystic pewter]

Mate it's just my feelings of what I want the game to be
You did an amazing job on the suggestion
Very nicely formatted
I just
You know
Personally don't think it's fits

[hybrid matrix]

@frank notch I too have wife cutoffs. Most of them against my will

[thorn linden]

Ahh ok no hard feelings man just wanted to know if you have any negative feedback so i can improve

Thank for the apreciation for the writing style i tried hard

[fervent fable]

@zenith onyx i'd actually like if Allo's head looked that way as adult too

[smoky bough]

@lucid mauve Yeah, that was my intention. Thank you for making things clear. :3 #general-feedback message

[hybrid matrix]

on the one hand semi-aquatics spawning near water is a great idea, but on the other hand, people could abuse it by camping water-sources

@brave rampart i know that, and I added a ✅ at first, but then i realized that it could get abused

[brave rampart]

Yeah

That's why I say multiple water source spawns

For like the regional spawning

Also we need regional spawning cooldowns so people dont constantly spawn in the same area and die and then respawn there again

[hybrid matrix]

yes but its much easier to figure out where the spawn is if its next to something memorable, for example water. certain water spawns could be easily memorized, especially ones near rivers

[hybrid matrix]

i mean, i think its fine if u just respawn there again for the purpose of playing in that area, but if u do it so that u can avenge urself then ur an asshole

[brave rampart]

Well theres also rivers

And so far the swamps are mega huge

So pinpointing a spawn is gonna be hard

Very

[hybrid matrix]

river spawns would be easy to memorize bc most of the rivers r recognizable. swamp spawns, bc the swamps r so big, would be harder to memorize, but im talking about river spawns

anyway ima go bc im takin a break and i dont wanna use my time talking in here

[barren zephyr]

@mellow steppe They have an in-game map button that is planned soon, shown in Evrima's controls

I believe the map will work in Update 4 with the UI overhaul

[mellow steppe]

oh great 😄

[fallow hazel]

I thought about the ability of being able to bite legs of others dinos

For exemple if a teno is running, and the carno catch up to him, he could bite the legs and slow him down. And, if biting the legs a long time, he could maybe break it ? Idk just thought about that.

[paper oriole]

Locational damage and fractures are already planned as far as i know

[brave rampart]

Locational damage is already in the game

As far as Locational fractures and locational gore?

Nah

Not yet

[thorn linden]

@barren zephyr your gore suggestion is

[barren zephyr]

thanks so much (:

hope they consider it

@maiden anvil HOLY SHIT THAT’S GOOD

[maiden anvil]

Oh WHAT! I did not expect anyone to actually like it

I’m happy now

[barren zephyr]

Your suggestions are overall pretty neat

[fervent fable]

Damn alot of people liked
My Austro ideas and suggestion

Like #phase-two-archive Austroraptor is kinda cool, but it looks Alien like

When i think of Raptors i have the thought Either it
Looks like more of a Bird or a raptor like JP
Or it’s not even resembling the creature of what it’s supposed to be

[paper oriole]

People just want that abomination changed in general lmao

[fervent fable]

Lol, yeah I mean
The Design looks cool from an
Angle but it’s body no offence to the creator but
It looks horrible

[paper oriole]

Its proportions are hella wack and its missing half its ribcage

[fervent fable]

Yeah exactly

Either one of these
Or no point making it if it
Doesn’t look like an Austroraptor at all

Both of very similar but i like the colour scheme from
The bottom one

[paper oriole]

Or even this if they want to keep it similar and just fix its crazy ass head and body

[fervent fable]

Yeah

@keen vapor It’s a cool idea
But idk if the playerbase are emotionally ready
To see Progression again after the
Devs divorced that game mode

[keen vapor]

well its a bit different and more interresting than the previous "do nothing and wait 30 min to get point and progress" yknow.

[fervent fable]

Yeah that’s good idea, but like if you die is
It like reset the entire progression tree to velo again?

[sonic cloud]

That tech tree is terrible

[keen vapor]

nonono

Its just a concept, i didnt try to balance it well

[sonic cloud]

“Lets put an alt skin on a different tier to the original playable”

[keen vapor]

?

[safe galleon]

reaching elder isn't really easy, alot and I mean ALOT of players will be stuck and unable to play the dino that they actually want

[sonic cloud]

Carch and Giga

Come on

[keen vapor]

Dude its just a concept

Im not saying that THAT tech tree should be added

[fervent fable]

Idk maybe like
If you unlocked all the creatures you’d
Keep them all except you’d have
To grow them once you select them
Instead of it turning into a sandbox

[keen vapor]

Its just so people understand how it would work and look like

[fervent fable]

Maybe that’s how it could be balanced to come back?

[keen vapor]

I dont think i explained how it would work well enough

You still gotta grow them

[fervent fable]

No no, theres still a way around balancing the gamemode

It could actually be another game mode people play aside from
Survival as mode variety instead of sandbox and survival
So we’d have 3 gamemodes

[keen vapor]

Yeah why not i guess

[fervent fable]

Maybe prog would work better in a single player campaign mode tho
That you can invite friends too

[keen vapor]

Single player isle..? Idk about that

[fervent fable]

You unlock them in a Tech tree while going through the storyline
In game

It’d just make it more balanced than everyone being at the top
Of the tree on a Multiplayer world, otherwise it’s
Gonna seem like a progression and Survival mashup

[keen vapor]

Did you read through my entire suggestion?

[fervent fable]

Yep with Elders and stuff

You grow an Elder then you can advance the tech tree

But Growing is survival tho
So it sounds like a mixture of the two
Instead of letting progression be its own thing

Plus Elder is really difficult to get
Most of the people in Survival nevermind progression
Won’t make it to Elder, most will be stuck on a specific creature trying to
Be an Elder before they can be idk a compy that’d take so
Long especially with the fact you’d die alot
And making it take longer to be an Elder

With that it puts too much stress on the player

[soft hedge]

growing all of those creatures without dying would take weeks and locking all of the most popular dinos behind that wall is not a good idea

people will get tired of waiting to play rex or giga and just stop playing all together

[maiden anvil]

@barren zephyr Thanks a lot buddy, it means a lot 😄

[lone kite]

the tail straitening out is probally a trick done by the devs to prevent glitchs in deinos moddle from freaking out cause of the tail

but yes i do agree but i see why the devs did it aswell

[vestal hound]

@tiny salmon you may have to hide better while logging out. unless you are in a herd that reliably protects you. Never log near water or popular spots. Sleeping like in this game is a good survival mechanic, since animals have to make sure they have a save spot to sleep in as well

[maiden anvil]

@keen vapor I do like the idea of where you’re heading. Though I think it would be for apexes only. Keep almost all non apexes to play as without having to progress to them, then have a few that will lead to stronger creatures. For example, finish a full life as berry (which you can acces at the start) to unlock sucho. Then do the same with sucho to unlock spino.

[keen vapor]

Yeah sounds pretty good. allthough i do find it kinda booring that you only have to progress to unlock apexes.

[edgy harbor]

Sleep was always meant to be the end all be all, resting mechanic. You are meant to be punished by a long wake up animation and that's intentional and unlikely to change to be honest. The decision to log out and sleep has to be a concrete, "I know I'm safe." Decision. If you mess it up, that's on you.

[keen vapor]

I dont mind it taking a while but there should at LEAST be a button indicator telling you what you need to press to wake up

Because right now you have to press ESC wait for like 4 sec and then press H

and wait more

[hybrid matrix]

actually u can just press h twice

[tiny salmon]

@vestal hound I hide to the point you cant see my dino plus Im usually always covered in mud so I dont have tracks nor do I log near water cause I know its a danger zone. But I still get killed in the timer. And you cant stand up fast enough to save yourself nor be able to see if anything is coming. Not saying to get rid of the mechanic cause its cool and like the sleeping. But it definitely needs to be tweaked. Ive had many friends run into this to. Maybe make them snore quieter and get rid of the black screen.

[hybrid matrix]

dude do u understand the concept of sleep? are u like a giraffe and u just sleep with ur eyes open? if u get rid of the black screen it isnt sleeping XD
irl if u slept in a dangerous place without any protection, and then u get attacked in ur sleep its ur fault, just like in game

but i do think u should be able to get up from sleeping faster

first of all im right here so no need to ping me. second of all, if u understood that to sleep, u need to close ur eyes, then y r u saying no black screen? its like saying dinosaurs slept like giraffes, standing up with open eyes

which tbf we dont kno how they slept

but i think its safe to assume that sauropods were the only ones who mightve slept like giraffes

a fair chance is to make it so that when ur like 15 seconds away from logging u become invincible, orr a shorter logout time. but no darkscreen is just OP
sleeping is generally risky, so u should only do it if ur in a very safe place. which obviously u havent been doing bc ive never encountered this

[white spruce]

I've managed to sleep without being killed on multiple occasions. Never found it that hard.

[arctic nimbus]

calm down lol

[paper oriole]

[lofty pagoda]

[zenith onyx]

@fervent fable It would look cool that way, but it would have to be a crest option, like a cosmetic.

[fervent fable]

I see, yeah that makes sense

Thanks on the feedback

[zenith onyx]

thanks for yours!

[lone kite]

sleeping is ment to be risky

[zenith onyx]

I really enjoy (sometimes) when people give me nice feedback

[dire ridge]

I don't see that much problem with sleeping, except your dino don't close its eyes

[keen vapor]

Its not that big of a problem, its just really inconvenient and could use some more polishing

[brave rampart]

Sleeping is fine. If somehow a creature is attacking you while in youre sleeping, that's that. They found you, you're going to die. Should've found a different hiding spot to sleep in.

[hybrid matrix]

u mean if u look at another dino logging out their eyes arent closed?

[dire ridge]

No, if you zoom on the face of your dino, the eyes stay open

[hybrid matrix]

lol

[sonic cloud]

@tiny salmon I have yet to die while sleeping. Seem’s more like a competence problem

[paper oriole]

Plot twist: they were actually combat logging but left that part out

[hybrid matrix]

did not see that one coming

[paper oriole]

Idk the chance of successfully squashing the utah should scale with the creature size

[hybrid matrix]

^

[paper oriole]

Like a para smashing a utah against a rock with its body weight would def fuck up that utah

[hybrid matrix]

also 2nd screen is kinda generous

well

eh

ig it makes sense for something teno-sized

but the damage should definitely scale with size