general-feedback-discussion

[paper geyser]

idk if i'd call them robotic but they're extremely weird and obnoxious imo

making them easier on the eardrums would be nice

[azure wadi]

I think plants growing on minmi should be an elder thing to give it’s elder stage a cool new feature

[white spruce]

They sound similar to some bird calls, imo

It fits for what hypsi is supposed to be

[barren zephyr]

To me they sound weird.

Robotic, in a way.

I wish they were polished more.

[white spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvK-DujvpSY

Doesn't sound any more robotic than this to me, dunno if maybe that's entirely subjective on your part no

[paper geyser]

yeah see that sounds annoying but mostly fine

theres something about hypsi's vocals but i can't really put my finger on it

[white spruce]

I think they sound fine, you just dislike them because hypsi players tend to be annoying

They're reasonably close to some bird calls, definitely wouldn't call them "robotic"

[barren zephyr]

No.

[white spruce]

there's a negative association

[barren zephyr]

I dislike them because they don't sound normal to me, I can't pin point what it is but it doesn't sound exactly right.

I like the calls, but I think they should be polished a bit.

[white spruce]

They sound like birds. There's nothing objectively wrong with them, you just dislike those types of sounds.

[barren zephyr]

Dude.

I just said, I like them.

There's just something about them that makes them sound weird to me.

[white spruce]

exactly. that's subjective

there's nothing objectively wrong about them, you just dislike some aspect of them yourself

You say "they should be polished a bit" as though there's some sort of error with them, as though there's an issue. There isn't. The sounds are fine, you just dislike something about them.

As it stands, your current suggestion is "I don't like something about hypsi's calls but I can't figure out what. Fix it"

It means nothing

[barren zephyr]

Mate.

[paper oriole]

There's something about hypsi's sounds that sound like they are coming from a toy and not the mouth of an animal

[white spruce]

I disagree, I'd like you to point out a single actually demonstrable aspect of the calls that do that at all.

[paper oriole]

Like they are a recording of a recording

[white spruce]

Because until you do, again, this suggestions remains "I don't like something about hypsi's calls but I can't figure out what. Fix it"

[barren zephyr]

They just sound robotic to me, I can't pinpoint what makes them sound that way. I never told the devs to fix something that I don't know what it is (poor English I'm sorry). Had to type this for a while because my English is horrible.

[paper geyser]

this is a good way to put it, it's as if the sound doesn't match the source

[white spruce]

This feedback is 100% subjective, I plain don't hear anything robotic about hypsi's sounds. It sounds like a bird.

[barren zephyr]

Thank you Kato

[hot spear]

^ same, hypsi calls are fine to me

[white spruce]

Especially since you cannot specify anything actually objectively wrong with the calls

[lost whale]

I'd reccomend listening to videos of birds around the world, literally there are so many birds with such odd and strange calls that already sound not real. hearing Hypsi's call sounds in line with quite a few different birds if were talking about it sounding robotic or such.

[white spruce]

I posted the white bellbird recently. Do I need to post the lyrebird next?

[paper geyser]

Those two sound fine, like I said there's something about hypsi that's off

[white spruce]

then explain what

[paper geyser]

i know its subjective, but i'm just saying that's how i feel

[hushed shadow]

@zenith onyx 400 pounds? what?

[zenith onyx]

?

Humans are usually only 180 to 200

[hushed shadow]

utahs are estimated to have been able to reach a ton as an adult

[zenith onyx]

Raptors were usuallu about 300 to 400. sometimes to 500 if it was especially large specimen

[paper geyser]

a utah is more like 1000 pounds, 500kg

1t for utah is way overestimating

[hushed shadow]

it is the estimated size though

[paper oriole]

In its broadcast, there is a rattling that feels disjointed from the rest of its vouce. Might be it

[paper geyser]

not really, most estimates are 400-700 max

[barren zephyr]

An adult was estimated to be from 660 to 2200 LBs if im not wrong

[zenith onyx]

why do I feel like im getting griled for nothing

[hot spear]

Why are yall using irl utah weight
tf lol

[zenith onyx]

in game its differn't

[hushed shadow]

yeah, my question too

[barren zephyr]

Idk

[paper geyser]

when you dont look at the first google result you can actually find answers that are somewhat reliable

[barren zephyr]

Realistically that was their weight

[hushed shadow]

yes but i'm saying this is what's in game and it is an esitmate

estimate* whoops

[barren zephyr]

I don't think we have in game weight displayed

[paper geyser]

oh in the game

i meant irl, my bad

[zenith onyx]

500 to 1,000 Lb = pounds

I was right

[white spruce]

that google result says kg

[hushed shadow]

300kg - 1000 kg first result and the utah in-game weighs a ton

[hot spear]

We do in the character menu

[barren zephyr]

In legacy Utah was like

1k?

[hushed shadow]

yep. a ton

1000kg

[paper geyser]

tonne*

[barren zephyr]

Safe to assume that's evrima too then

[hushed shadow]

my bad whoops

[white spruce]

1000kg is approx a ton and a tonne

[strange wave]

@zenith onyx um, i wouldnt use bottom of the barrel tenontos for balancing, tenonto can wipe the floor with carno

[paper geyser]

but 1000kg is exactly a tonne

[hot spear]

Use 701 kg as utahs weight
Nothing else

[hushed shadow]

so if we're working with 700kg, it becomes slightly more plausible that they would maybe get startled running into tenontos and up but it just wouldn't work from a gameplay perspective

so you get stopped in your tracks and the teno lands free hits just for the utah running into them or?

[white spruce]

That's 1545 lbs @zenith onyx

[zenith onyx]

u guys are still goin on about this..... dino geeks

sheesh

[hushed shadow]

yeah your suggestion states that utah was 181kg which is just wrong if we're talking about a full adult

[barren zephyr]

Anorexic Utahraptor

[hushed shadow]

and therefore its based on something that doesnt even apply

[zenith onyx]

unless u think ima change my suggestion, please leave me be

[barren zephyr]

Oh god the mimic mechanic sigh

[white spruce]

give ovi the mimic mechanic, not troodon

[paper geyser]

sorry man but troodon is already getting mimicry

and no

[zenith onyx]

I only wanted to post an idea, didn't ecpect to get repremanded for it

sorry if some of the info is incorrect

[paper geyser]

neither of them need mimicry, but troodon is the one that can actually use it effectively

[hushed shadow]

you suggested something in a public server belonging to a game people are invested in and expect to not get feedback?

[barren zephyr]

Wdym reprimanded lol

[white spruce]

ovi needs mimic more than troodon does

[zenith onyx]

I'm getting attacked for something I thought was correct

[paper geyser]

ovi has no use for mimicry as i've explained a million times before

[broken monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/695052745320824852/spooky_water_bois.jpg

[barren zephyr]

We're not attacking anybody

It's called feedback

And discussion

[broken monolith]

@hybrid hamlet

[zenith onyx]

honoka seems to be doing that.. but whatever

[hybrid hamlet]

Huh?

[hushed shadow]

but nowhere was i attacking you as a person or insulting your suggestion?

i was telling you the info was incorrect and when i tagged you first i was more so asking what you mean

because i didn't know if you were even talking about a full adult

[broken monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/695052745320824852/spooky_water_bois.jpg this is the moss camo I was talking about

[hybrid hamlet]

Oh nice, thank you!

[broken monolith]

not the best but it's still a think, makes it less noticeable when surfacing I bet, although I usually wouldn't surface until ambushing

you are welcome

[hybrid hamlet]

Looks like itd work similar to wallow, youd just passively have algea when exiting water.

[white spruce]

I like that the moss sticks to it when it surfaces

hope it specifically happens when surfacing underneath moss or algae

[broken monolith]

I think so or at least partially so it won't happen in non-murky water

[barren zephyr]

You can't fix legacy mate.

The entrie point of the recode was to basically remake the isle because they couldn't fix legacy with it's broken code and outdated stuff. If they try and fix legacy, something will likely break again. Recoding the game would be much better than attempting to fix a game with broken code.

[barren zephyr]

Yes but realism is a thing TI does have focus on. Deinonychus or Oviraptor certainly cannot glide due to them being simply too big to do so. And Velo and Utah are not planned to have any feathered versions whatsoever.

My point is that the given in-game anatomy matters when it comes to biomechanics (or, the mechanics of an organism, in this case a dinosaur)

[white spruce]

Utah has been mentioned to have a planned feathered alternative option for a very long time now. So has galli, for the record.

[glossy matrix]

based

[glossy matrix]

also Utah is wayyyyy bigger than deinonychus lol

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

And deinonychus already is too big to glide, unless it's a juvenile or subadult, maybe?

[glossy matrix]

juvenile dakotaraptors can glide iirc

so deino wouldn't be that far-fetched i think

[barren zephyr]

That's speculation

[glossy matrix]

i'd prefer it for velo though

[barren zephyr]

We don't have a lot of known material of Dakotaraptor whatsoever

Saurian's reconstruction is very speculative.

Basing it off deinonychus and utahraptor mostly

[glossy matrix]

damn

that is a very ugly skull

[barren zephyr]

Well juvenile raptors could have possibly glided, but we just don't know for certain

An adult Velociraptor was certainly too heavy to glide, but it didn't need to since it lived in a mostly treeless environment

[molten tulip]

Sleeping as an actual healing mechanic sounds cool

[steady lintel]

@cinder plank idk if anyone mentioned this to you yet, but you can have evrima and legacy isle on your computer at the same time so you dont have to redownload it all the time. its really easy to do and you can find tutorials on youtube. hopefully this helps and is a good alternative to your suggestion.

[civic sparrow]

Soldier, our velo will be living in an environment full of trees so a glide for the isles velo could be a possibility

[barren zephyr]

P o h

@quasi violet yeah thats a real good addition! How couldnt I think of this eralier! Makes sense and makes it easier not to die of hunger while caring for the young 🥰 good suggestion!

*p o g

[dark bronze]

Improving sleeping is a great idea. You're already vulnerable when sleeping, especially with all the noise you make. However, there are a few issues to address, like how people could be sleeping not to log out, but could have logout ready at a moment's notice, similarly to Legacy, and we don't want that

[dense wagon]

sleeping to slow bleed will just be legacy all over again

because that's exactly how legacy is

even if you don't clot, you don't clot in legacy either

[barren zephyr]

Idk

I just wanna be able to sleep without logging out

[dense wagon]

was replying to rick

[brave rampart]

Nah. In legacy, you could just sit and you'll never die from bleed. With the sleep, you'll only slow it down, but can still die from it. So it's not a high priority other than mud, but if you have a chance of dying from bleed and you need more time, you can sleep, but also be vulnerable

[civic sparrow]

What about sleeping to heal it. Like sleeping only helps when you were already healing it, just speeds it up

[brave rampart]

Okay now that's way more realistic

[solid wedge]

yes

[civic sparrow]

My stego stayed on like 30% blood for so long cause every time I’d heal some, something else would bite me

[brave rampart]

Passively healing it and once you start healing it you can sleep to speed it up, and if you're bleeding you can slow it down and when you wake up you'll only have like 5 seconds until you start bleeding normally again

Just so it's not useless

You guys can balance out the number if ya want

[civic sparrow]

Also would give people a reason to sleep, I like the sleeping animations and stuff

[strange wave]

that sleep suggestion is just screaming afk growth

[steady lintel]

id have to disagree because they specified that the change in stats would only be slightly... and the growth boost would only be hatchling/juvie. and they really drove the point of you having to be aware of your surroundings bc sight is gone and sounds are drowned out

[strange wave]

thats even worse

i didnt see the growth boost part

[steady lintel]

i dont necessarily agree with the growth boost myself but "screaming" afk growth seems like an exaggerated term

especially if you only saw the slight change in food drop

when it can only be obtained while sleeping with such a great disadvantage

[paper oriole]

It just shouldnt increase growth at all tbh

Would make it easier for juvies who have adult friends to hide in a bush with growth boost with less danger of being taken by surprise

[steady lintel]

true i think the suggestion should be modified to make it less of a walk in the park when considering outside factors like that

[dense wagon]

rewarding sitting in a bush instead of actually playing the game? no thanks

[barren zephyr]

Only thing sleeping should do is like reduce food consumption by a small amount, it shouldn't be to rewarding

Too*

[steady lintel]

yeah but apparently just having a slight food reduction even if there is no growth involved is "AFKGROWTH"

[paper oriole]

custom horns/crest options were mentioned in the past already right

to be an upcoming feature

might be wrong

[steady lintel]

idk i dont think it would hurt to still put in a suggestion if u want

[barren zephyr]

I don't watch dev streams, I wish we had more info on that type of stuff in the trello or something

If those even were mentioned there

[paper oriole]

Tfw someone wants dinner bell AI back

[dense wagon]

yeah we don't need legacy AI that screeches to everything within a 500 meter radius

[azure wadi]

Imagine thinking that ai is supposed to be free food in evrima

[broken monolith]

that theme song is some Jurassic park level shit why haven't I heard it until now

[azure wadi]

The isle actually has some amazing music

[broken monolith]

I haven't heard like anything I think yet, except the menu music I think

[azure wadi]

Yeah some other good ones are acts of god and tyrannic, they’re both really cool to listen to

[paper oriole]

Hooting allosaurus

[azure wadi]

[barren zephyr]

It's still too heavy as an adult

[paper oriole]

To be fair utahraptor wouldn't be leaping all over like a kangaroo irl either so gliding velo isnt even too unrealistic for the isle lol

[coral yoke]

bleeding kinda just feels like a mechanic for tracking rn

don't think ive killed anything through bleed as of yet

[paper oriole]

Theri rolling around just seems kinda weird with its body shape

[strange wave]

@coral yoke thats entirely the point of it, its not something thats going to decide normal and quick fights, the most bearing it has on combat is it slowing regens as you loose blood and in long conflicts like say a pack of allos trying to kill a camara

[civic sparrow]

Like I’ve said a million times the isle isn’t supposed to be super realistic and if the devs wanted to give an animal an ability that is scientifically impossible, they can.

[coral yoke]

ah ok i wasnt aware of this, thanks for the info!

[valid zephyr]

I've always wanted deinonychus as a climber/bad glider.

But velo would make an interesting alternative. Needs a bit more fictionalisation though as its arms are proportionally much shorter.

[barren zephyr]

Velociraptor wouldn't work well as a glider imo

[valid zephyr]

Could still work, and makes it not just a worse troodon.

[barren zephyr]

Though it could easily as well be made to simply leap from tree to tree like a monkey or lemur

[valid zephyr]

Nychus is better built for gliding as much longer limbs, and shoulder joints which allow it to raise its arms correctly.

Irl velo wouldn't glide or be capable of it at all.

But isle dinos seem to have gone the fictional fantasy monster route.

So potentially velo doing it in game would work.

[night mountain]

make utah able to glide

im not saying give it feathers just let it glide anyway

[barren zephyr]

Deinonychus could be given tree leaping

But probably not gliding as an adult

[barren zephyr]

Cormorant pela here we come

swallows entire utah

holy fucking sh!t

devours rex

noms carno

[brave rampart]

Pounce doesn't need a nerf. If you fail to conserve stamina and jump off and run away, that's on you.

[barren zephyr]

who said pounce needed nerfing

[brittle ivy]

They’re replying to Ionized’s post about it.

[barren zephyr]

ok

[barren zephyr]

where is ti?

i can't find it

[brittle ivy]

Scroll up in #general-feedback, it’s not too far up.

[barren zephyr]

oh found it thanks

I haven't seena slo-mo utah yet

[scarlet dock]

If you look at the suggestion, I'm not suggesting free food at all.
The nests would provide burrows for AI to hide in, if poorly hunted.

To be honest, I think it's more challenging that the current "dinner bell" AI in the game that 1 broadcast until you find them, then run away from you in a straight line while looking over their shoulder at you the whole time.

You can't fail a hunt like that. It's just time commitment to catch up and kill the dryo's currently in the game.

"Dinner bell" is already in Evrima. I would just prefer some more food diversity for smaller dinos, with different mini-games than "listen for 1 broadcast, move towards, consume"

[paper oriole]

You pick taco, the slowest, most defenseless, easiest animal in the game to kill to waltz around and call out basically begging to die. Unless a player is 100% braindead they will catch it before it can get to its burrow

That is free food

[scarlet dock]

I see plenty of braindead carnivores running around not checking bushes, every time I play.

As far as speed goes, the two carnivores we currently have in the game are both faster than the dryo.
Which has no escape mechanism as AI.

So, what is the difference between the two "free food"

IMO: The chances of a taco escaping notice (since it's so small, and with ground cover) to a nearby nest/hole is greater than that of the current free food, the dryo which runs slower than the carnivores currently in the game, doesn't dodge, and leaves footprints. AND still broadcasts... That is free food.

[paper oriole]

Adding taco is just another free food then lmao its honestly just as bad if not worse

Dryo dodge should be fixed to not be a useless waste of an ability though, it really is bad

[scarlet dock]

So, free food should be one size fits all? Or are you in favor of removing all herbivore AI?

[paper oriole]

Lmao im just wondering why you want taco to come in of all things, the most basic juvie chow

[potent sparrow]

Anything slow and easy to catch would be beneficial for hungry juvie dinos. It's hard to survive at that growth stage in general, there has to be something beneficial for juvie players who spawn in without a pack.

Just make small easy to catch food have little amounts of food to eat so it doesn't benefit bigger dinosaurs.

[paper oriole]

Knew it

Easy food

[dapper pulsar]

Taco gopher

[potent sparrow]

What's wrong with easy food that doesn't fill much

Anything that doesn't fill much shouldn't be a pest to catch

[paper oriole]

It isnt that hard considering carnos alone make up like half the roster on most active servers

[potent sparrow]

You should be rewarded with how hard something is to catch. If it is easy then it's just a tiny snack.

Most active servers as in only one right

Lmao

[paper oriole]

Eh like 2 maybe lol i guess

[dapper pulsar]

I've seen like 3

[paper oriole]

Maybe 3 and a half

[dapper pulsar]

5, 25, 70.

[potent sparrow]

Nycta is the only server really getting any attention

Anyway point of easier food is still necessary if we're going to spawn into the world as useless as a taco for the first 30 minutes of our growth

[paper oriole]

No carni juvie is even near as usrless as a taco and they could also fit in the burrows so it's a handout for them

Not so far at least

[dapper pulsar]

Gopher Taco

[potent sparrow]

All you can do when you first spawn in is scavenge other players food and run away from things that move xD

[dapper pulsar]

Depends on the creature

Usually, yes.

[paper oriole]

Even adult dryo is as useless as the current juvies

[scarlet dock]

Why taco?

Simple: Because the majority of players will choose to play the largest, biggest, most powerful creature of their choice.
Even in the current iteration of Evrima, Tenonto are almost non-existent. They don't stand a chance against Carno (which have replaced utah for dominance).
I would love to see some statistics on what dinosaur population looks like right now. But without it, I can really only offer my opinions based on player feedback in game.

Secondly: Because i want a complete ecosystem. The purpose of AI is supposed to be to flesh out the ecosystem by taking the roles of creatures that people won't want to play. During the evolution server type where everyone herbivore HAD to play a taco, barely anyone enjoyed it... but it was still an important item in the food chain.

Velociraptors, Herra, utah, would probably all eat taco's if available. It's a small meal item for a small dinosaur.

Thirdly: Because i would like more hunting options than: "Follow broadcast, chase until you bite it to death".
I want the opportunity to fail a hunt, to try and play smarter next time.

And finally: Because 98% of the servers currently hosting Evrima are empty. And carnivores need more food than the free food currently in the game.
Most nights, all I see is the 150ish people in Isle Nycta, 80ish in Teutonic, and a handful elsewhere, mostly in Europe...
That's including the Public NA servers, which I haven't seen more than 5 people in over the past few days.

We need more AI to fill out low pop servers, if people are going to continue to play in them.

[potent sparrow]

No creature should have to do that to everything that moves. There should be AI for the starters.

[dapper pulsar]

Starter AI shouldn't be easy, it should just be weak enough to bring down.

Gopher Taco

[paper oriole]

And what really bugged me is its supposed to just hang out calling and then retreat to its burrow, making it incredibly easy to pin down

[scarlet dock]

Incredibly easy to pin down? People can't find tononto in tall grass. or stego in bushes. Let alone a hypsi in regular grass. what makes you think a taco will be easier?

[dapper pulsar]

If you only state the obvious, most people won't disagree with you.

Wait that sounds like it's directed at other people

It's not to be clear, I'm taking my own piss

[scarlet dock]

Heck, last night I hid in a bush after escaping an adult carno vs. carno battle while I healed out my bleed. If a carno couldn't find another adult carno in a BUSH, with footsteps and blood... He spent 15 minutes romping around in circles, it was hilarious.

There is no way he can find a taco 😛

[paper oriole]

So any person with 2 brain cells to rub together could catch it effortlessly. Once you see the taco once it's dead meat as at least the others have a chance to make some distance

Holy shit how did that guy even make it to adult like that lmao

[potent sparrow]

A full ecosystem would involve weak creatures. Weak creatures are in the animal kingdom as well and if caught can't get away no matter what. Just sayin.

[scarlet dock]

I actually took a screen of both of us on the same screen, like a literal carno space apart xD

[dapper pulsar]

Tacos sitting on rocks, warning the rest, and they all hide underground, occasionally checking from random, distant holes.

[paper oriole]

I know taco is weak but like theres a little less easy things they could add first and find a real defense for taco

[dapper pulsar]

Stealth

[scarlet dock]

^

[dapper pulsar]

Stealth is not Taco's defense, it's just how ya hunt Taco.

[paper oriole]

Well pretty much anything small = stealth rn

[dapper pulsar]

I said that at a bad time

[potent sparrow]

Hypsie for me sucks to hunt. Absolutely sucks. They're too difficult to catch for what they offer for food. And the only reason I've found to kill them was cus they're being annoying and spitting at you for no reason

[scarlet dock]

I mean, unless we want to make taco akin to porcupines. and have all those spikey tail bits get stuck in big dinosaur throats, and only small dinosaurs can bite around the quills.

[scarlet dock]

I gave up on hunting Hypsi. They don't have enough food on them to be worth it. So small, so annoying, so loud.

[paper oriole]

Like homalo can at least run fast enough to lose itself in some bushes if it happens to be spotted, taco runs to a burrow at walking pace where juvie preds are small enough to fit

[dapper pulsar]

Hypsi is one of the most mobile animals, it should be pretty difficult for Carno. Utah should have one of the easier times against it.

[scarlet dock]

juvie preds are the taco's primary predator. So, makes sense to me?

[paper oriole]

Porcupine taco would be nice ive always hated its useless ass quills being wasted

[potent sparrow]

Taco would just be pointless for bigger carnies to eat. What would fill 50% good to a juvie could fill 2% to an adult. Not worth the hunt. Makes sense to add for juvie emergencies

[barren zephyr]

prairie dog tacos

[scarlet dock]

^

Thank you Maple

[dapper pulsar]

Taco GOPHER

[scarlet dock]

Also, thank you BuffTrike. I'll definitely write up a suggestion for porcupine tacos 🙂

[paper oriole]

Ive seen a few

[dapper pulsar]

Wait I think I've been describing it as a prairie dog. Carry on.

How do you feel about the 4 to 6 ceratopsids?

[potent sparrow]

There should just be something every carnivore AND age of carnivore should be able to hunt.

[barren zephyr]

Prairie dogs are those ground squirrels which live in those fairly big colonies (or "towns")

[paper oriole]

Hopefully taco doesnt skip leg day anymore before coming to recode too like i know hes weak but holy shit that run speed is bad

[potent sparrow]

Otherwise we're playing afk dinosaurs until we can hunt and I thought they were avoiding that

[paper oriole]

It could be a bit better

[dapper pulsar]

I know what a prairie dog is, I suggested their scouting behavior for AI Tacos

[paper oriole]

Maybe taco can yeet himself down mountains and cliffs as secondary escapes for minimal damage like the useless stinkbug he is

[dapper pulsar]

Stone frog

Pebble boy

Tuck in your limbs and go for it

Taco taking and eating the materials that make ptera nests

[paper oriole]

Like legit that would look good on taco just rolling down a mountain to escape preds

[scarlet dock]

Taco's rolling to escape predators is just like dryo running to escape predators. Without an "out", it's just wasting player time.

[paper oriole]

Its just so stupid it might work

[dapper pulsar]

If the predator follows you down the cliff they ain't coming at you at usual speeds

[barren zephyr]

Speaking about nests, maybe it could be possible to use twigs and grass as nest bedding in the case of some species (like hypsis, raptors, ovis or dryos)

[dapper pulsar]

Bones

Bone yards

Player constructed

Every leaf procedural

[paper oriole]

Taco can enter a protective stance when it falls to tumble with heightened fall resistance while its attacker says fuck that i aint breaking my legs for this

[barren zephyr]

Nest brooding in ovi (as shown by fossil evidence from its relatives) would be a cool function to add as well.

[scarlet dock]

Would be epic if hypsi could nest in trees, and make it easier for hypsi to jump into said tree too.

[dapper pulsar]

BoB Pachy mixed with goat Homalo

Perfect Homalo

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi nesting in trees to avoid ground predators would be cool.

[potent sparrow]

The only threat a hyspie faces is spitting at carnies XDD

"oop I got spit at I'ma destroy"

They're not worth hunting

Jokes aside that sounds fun

[dapper pulsar]

Hypsi is designed to style on Carnis

[potent sparrow]

I see hypsie and I'm like "aw it's a hypsie"

Hypsie makes a noise

"I'll assume this was a threat"

I can't wait say screw you to the map and fly over it with the pteradon

[dapper pulsar]

I can't wait to master Hypsi's spit and blind low flying Pteranodons.

[potent sparrow]

...... I can see that being very hilarious

[dapper pulsar]

They have to land to clean out their eyes but they don't know where the floor is

[scarlet dock]

Will flying ptera have bone break if they fly into trees at high speeds?

[dapper pulsar]

Hypsi will grief Pteranodons

Work your wait up a cliff to blind a mother and kill her kids

[potent sparrow]

Pteradons will grief juvies as if they're not being griefed enough

[white spruce]

If you give brooding to smaller dinosaurs, you should give it to larger dinosaurs too. Also, isn't brooding already somewhat of a thing in legacy nesting? I thought you had to sit on your nest for your eggs to grow?

[potent sparrow]

Ya if you leave your nest in legacy it just stays dormant

Nothing happens to the eggs if you do nothing

[scarlet dock]

Corrrect

[dapper pulsar]

More nesting and child raising mechanics

[potent sparrow]

Which I didn't have an issue with all that much

[white spruce]

Presuming it'll work similarly in evrima, brooding should be done by dinos of all sizes still

[potent sparrow]

What I don't want to see is when you are born from the egg and the parents are like "aight welcome to the pack. Let's roll!!!"

[dapper pulsar]

Gigantoraptor best brood

[scarlet dock]

In practice, apparently saurapods didn't brood. They nested and moved on. Success through quantity.

[dapper pulsar]

Sauropods are like

[potent sparrow]

Imagine trying to brood as something that large

[white spruce]

Didn't other largos put a spot in the middle of their nest with no eggs so that they could lay down and warm them without crushing them?

[scarlet dock]

sadly, we don't know much about a lot of dino nesting behavior last i checked. Apparently, we still haven't found a T-Rex nest 😦

[dapper pulsar]

We've found baby ones

Which is close enough.

[potent sparrow]

Ooo

[white spruce]

They sat in that section in the middle, and the heat radiated off of them to their eggs

[scarlet dock]

Which species is that? And that is also cool

[white spruce]

not sure

[potent sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltNfIA5kzt0

I want the Ivo raptor to sound like this

XDDD

...cus it says egg.

Idk

LOL

[dapper pulsar]

Raptor with OCD that makes the sauropod arrangement a perfect circle before eating the eggs.

[potent sparrow]

This sounds amusing

How could it possibly continue eating once it eats an egg, the circle will no longer be complete! Will it have to keep rearranging the perfect circle after each egg?

[white spruce]

[dapper pulsar]

It'll set the broken egg back into it's place and move on.

Maybe turn it over to ignore the hole

[barren zephyr]

The ai is broadcasting for you guys?

I’ve never once heard it call

Apart from from when I bite it

[scarlet dock]

The AI don't broadcast as frequently as they used to, but they do broadcast.
Not sure if it's on a 5 minute or 15 minute timer sometimes, lol

[barren zephyr]

Never once heard it

[paper oriole]

ive heard the ai make quiet noises but never broadcast

[barren zephyr]

I r heard the ai call out once

When I was chasing it

[midnight verge]

wanna talk about reduced teeth?

[strange wave]

what the hell is wrong with you

[midnight verge]

im really really really drunk

[strange wave]

i can tell

[barren zephyr]

ok

[civic sparrow]

Why when people get drunk they tell everyone in discord

[barren zephyr]

Why what’s wrong

[barren zephyr]

Because we’re drunk

[severe idol]

Let's calm down a bit.

[primal locust]

how do u become a spino?

[thorn glacier]

In EVRIMA? You don't

[barren zephyr]

I’ve become not drunk and I had the best idea ever for deino

When I was drunk of course

But remember the glorious Issa

*idea

[barren zephyr]

I just noticed the autocorrect in that suggestion

Oh noes

[compact hare]

how about dinosaurs having hearing problems for a while? The sounds get more confusing and quieter, due to para's call attack/ ability
(btw the drawings are amazing, very cute tho )

[maiden anvil]

That would make sense but it wouldn’t help if a predator “sees” you

Ey THX!

[compact hare]

yeah, nice point

[compact hare]

how about both ? vision AND hearing
sure the para should have a limited numbers of call attack, and maybe a longer call cooldown for them ? Beacuse some ppl would abuse this ability

[maiden anvil]

Hmm it your right about both of the things. I was also thinking if the call attack, like normal calls, would loose voice and would be useless then

[compact hare]

I cant see another special attack for para. If its ability won't be related to its calls, well...

[civic sparrow]

@maiden anvil yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!

Para really needs more attention from devs

[maiden anvil]

My man @civic sparrow ! You where a huge part of my suggestion 😉

[civic sparrow]

Oh fr!? XD, I’m very glad someone has made an actual structured suggestion for para with art and everything finally XD.

[maiden anvil]

Yes Paprika, you made a para suggestion I took inspiration from. It was about para broadcasting traveling further the other dinos 😄

And thx a lot!!!

[valid zephyr]

I'm very against cenozoic mammals being added. It's completely against the theme of the game.

[barren zephyr]

Except it isn't in the case of the latter candidate

It's a small, diminutive tree dweller, and probably potential prey for Herrerasaurus

[valid zephyr]

Also not a fan of full aquatics (including things like mosa).

It just splits the playerbase as half will be off hidden in the ocean.

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah fair enough with the aquatic bit

[valid zephyr]

There are potential dinos which can fit the role of small AI tree dweller.

[barren zephyr]

But with choosing mammals you actually have to put some consideration with choices.

[paper geyser]

agreed with the split environments thing, everything should have at least some opportunity for interaction

[barren zephyr]

What's wrong with a small lemur looking thing?

What exactly is wrong with it

[valid zephyr]

The game is focused on reptiles and dinos. Mammals are very against the theme.

Also if you add one mammal, it then sets a precedent to open the floodgate for more.

[barren zephyr]

Not unless you have a few inconspicuous mammals as outliers in a dinosaur dominated world.

[safe galleon]

so why should they be added, why just those creatures. any special interesting abilities or something?

[valid zephyr]

The only 'mammals' i'd want to see are mesozoic and before.

[barren zephyr]

Well a primate clearly has many possibilities for tree based movement

It can leap and jump gracefully through the treetops and go after bugs or fruit

Well what dinosaurs are there known to have been canopy omnivores?

[valid zephyr]

yiqi

microraptor.

[safe galleon]

how big is this monke?

[valid zephyr]

Small tree dweller which suits the theme more than monke.

[barren zephyr]

The known specimen, a juvenile specimen called Ida, is 58 centimetres from head to tailtip (with the body without the tail being 24 cm long)

[paper geyser]

i'd love to see yi qi or microraptor in the game some day

[barren zephyr]

Having a single non-human mammal an outlier would be a good idea.

[arctic nimbus]

Is Yi Qi capable of powered flight?

[barren zephyr]

Because all the other non-human animals are either dinosaurs (including birds), pterosaurs, crocodilians or lizards.

[barren zephyr]

Nope.

It was shite at gliding as a matter of fact.

Evolutionary dead end.

Whereas primates are not.

[valid zephyr]

I mean tbh i'm against yiqi too, as not a fan of playables under about 50kg.

But it's clear that any sized playable seems to be a thing now, and my thinking is an old relic.

I remember suggesting avaceratops for survival, and being told by everyone it's too small to be a good playable. How times have changed.

[paper geyser]

as long as small animals are catered for i dont see the issue. But it's like you said earlier, having one opens the door to having a bunch of others, especially if a whole new playstyle will need to be created

[valid zephyr]

My issue with super small animals is they can't interact with the rest of the roster. A compy can never interact with a rex.

The top and bottom of the roster should still be able to interact.

[paper geyser]

could add something similar to those cleaner fish that hang onto sharks and whales

though i have no idea how one would go about doing that

having compies hanging onto a rex to get some scraps after it's killed something, maybe giving the rex some sort of buff or advantage by doing so

[barren zephyr]

Well a monkey is a better option than a bat winged poorly flighted dinobird. Sure, it's a mammal, but stuff is generally speaking fine if you don't go over the top with mammalian fauna (which is why you could as well have the primate as the sole non-human mammal)

If your excuse is an automatic "oh mammals bad, they don't fit in with the style of the game", that's a pretty poor excuse.

[paper geyser]

well, thematically, what is the reason for having large mammals on the island with massive dinosaurs?

[barren zephyr]

I never said adding large mammals

[paper geyser]

a lemur is relatively large

compared to say, a rodent

point still stands, why?

[barren zephyr]

Well it's still not any bigger than a man even

A primate about the size of a small to medium sized housecat isn't that bad.

Considering hypsilophodon is 44 pounds, 6 feet long and 2 feet tall, it's really not that big.

[paper geyser]

my issue isn't the size it's the reasoning behind adding a singular (small) mammal to the island with massive dinosaurs

[sonic cloud]

If your excuse is an automatic "oh mammals bad, they don't fit in with the style of the game", that's a pretty poor excuse.
@barren zephyr that’s a pretty good excuse

[paper geyser]

sure it's something different, but why deviate so much when something like microraptor would fill the spot perfectly

[barren zephyr]

Well you could add a couple of more small ones as well. The main theme is reptile supremacy over mammal supremacy. The mammals are there, but somewhat overshined by the dinosaurs.

[sonic cloud]

So it’s not just one small mammal lol

[barren zephyr]

Well idk it's 12 am and my brain is turning into mush.

[paper geyser]

but why? We can assume small mammals already exist but arent visible for whatever reasons, but what's the point behind having a whole new set of animals with the only reasoning being "they're outshined by dinosaurs"

and i didnt want it to get to this but, lore-wise what the fuck are hypsi sized mammals doing on the island

[sonic cloud]

Why don’t we just replace the entire small roster, anything smaller than a Kentro, with mammals?

[barren zephyr]

Nvm.

[sonic cloud]

They’d be outshone by the dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

I take back my argument.

[sonic cloud]

So it fits

[barren zephyr]

The mammals aren't gonna steal the spotlight if they're small enough. I'm not telling anyone to remove anything smaller than a kentrosaurus.

The upper size limit for a mammal would otherwise be up to the size of a badger or housecat, if being reasonable. Not being big enough to steal the spotlight, but not too small to be totally in oblivion.

I take back the "outshined" bit I stated earlier.

Or does this stuff still make no sense

In which case I might as well quit.

[paper geyser]

I don't mind more playables but i struggle to see the point of having a selection of mammals when the point of the game is dinosaurs (plus the flying things) and what the hell they're doing on the island

sure you could say its just a survival game and more playables = more playability but

idk maybe i'm thinking about it too much

[barren zephyr]

Well what the hell is a giant albatross thingy with fake teeth or a giant goanna doing on the island?

[paper geyser]

eh fair point

[barren zephyr]

Well the reasons for cloning a lemur would be the same case as for anything else, pretty much. To fill in a blank ecosystem.

[valid zephyr]

As the game is technically set in modern day, I could see there being rats, boar, deer, etc running loose.

Trouble is we havn't actually been given the lore reason that they've made the dinos. Apparently there is lore reasons, but we havn't been told.

[barren zephyr]

And in which case that monkey would be spending time in the trees eating fruit, and being at threat from tree climbing predators like herra

[paper geyser]

yeah you've got a point, i retract my earlier statements

[barren zephyr]

I mean it wouldn't look too bad, especially if you take some bling from modern monkeys and lemurs

Capuchins, snub nosed monkeys, sifakas, mandrills, baboons, etc.

[paper geyser]

mhm, whole new fashion style to use

[barren zephyr]

Well, you could get off to a start with applying some of these features to Darwinius (like the baboon's tufts of fur on the sides of it's head or the snub nosed monkey's blue skin on the face)

[safe galleon]

something that is 24 cm isn't really going to do interaction very much, like at all

[nimble thistle]

Welp, we all like new environments and such things, but developing an entire new island and unique creatures for it is not worth the effort. Although I can imagine this as dlc or a small map with alternative skins of few fitting dinosaurs

Also I'm not sure if it is lore-friendly

[civic sparrow]

Well, mods

But devs have talked about different biomes

[nimble thistle]

Biomes are fine as long as we don't talk about deep snow and evrima beaches on the same island

[thorn glacier]

I've already suggested the idea that maybe the world borders could be integrated into the lore, maybe it helps maintain the biomes inside of EVRIMA so they could be seemingly contradicting but also coexist

[brave rampart]

Yes, these are examples. I didn't say "create entirely new creatures". You can add Wool to existing creatures (as long as it fits), cause I don't think a lot of people would be too fond of dinosaurs without any sort of coat wandering a snowy environment. It would look too wierd imo.

Also snowy maps would be possible to do if we had a mapper.

[glossy matrix]

Add a snow dome

[civic sparrow]

Just a giant snow globe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661991137036468234/792198455576625182/image0.png

[hollow mirage]

I see some of the plates are gone, but I still think anky should be rounded >.>

[night mountain]

hmmmm lemme see if i can

[hollow mirage]

Alright

[barren zephyr]

@brave rampart why would you name them "wooly" if they infact had no wool? Dinosaurs had feathers yeah. But never heard of a fluffy catfur trex.

You make me imagine troodons with sheep wool on them

It freaks me out

[hollow mirage]

I see what you mean. Though I think some sort of fuzz like I dunno- probably similar to baby birds feathers would be neater

[ashen wasp]

wool-ish. wool-esque. like Yutyrannus?? like down, but thicker-- it isn't hair, but it can have a somewhat similar texture

[brave rampart]

Those are examples. Idc what they have, just as long as it makes sense for them to gain warmth in a snowy environment

Also now that I think about it, I just pulled those out of my ass when making an example lmao

Wooly troodon

[barren zephyr]

Yes but the specimen we have is a juvenile/adolescent

It was about 80-85% fully grown, so it probably would have been a bit bigger when fully grown

Probably about the size of a squirrel monkey or maybe even a capuchin upon being fully grown

Just for the sake of actually being given more interaction with other animals, it could be made to act like a capuchin as well; fairly adept both in the trees and on the ground, and having varied food sources ranging from fruit to hard foods like palm or shellfish. In order to access such hard food items, it needs to use rocks in order to hammer them open.

https://youtu.be/_MgHBvp1uwk

Yep I admit posting a crap tonne of text.

[solid wedge]

Location dmg would make deino god

It gets your head, goodbye dino

[dreamy bison]

Grabbing carno leg
Goodbye Dino

[barren zephyr]

it exists

[solid wedge]

carno starts drinking

https://tenor.com/view/you-picked-the-wrong-motherfucking-house-chill-its-me-carl-havent-i-been-here-before-actual-threat-gif-15481386

[barren zephyr]

@brave rampart

[valid zephyr]

Honestly I wouldn't mind changing the names to fictional names. The isle dinos are made up fantasy monsters with dino names glued on. Fictional names like novaraptor make far more sense to have.

[paper geyser]

i agree

cough cough anky

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but TI's Utahraptor is nothing like the Novaraptor in Primal Carnage

Thus I rather wouldn't call it Novaraptor, because it isn't a Novaraptor either.

Apolloraptor, or maybe even Apollovenator might work better

This is the Novaraptor model. Only has a slight resemblance to "Utahraptor", because they're dromaeosaurs. But other than that they're altogether different in appearance and build.

[hushed shadow]

@maiden anvil oh god no, thats gonna be exploited and you know it

might as well hand the people who try to use hitboxes in the most effective way everything

[maiden anvil]

Yeah... I can see how that wouldn’t work

[hushed shadow]

and autotarget reduces risk imo, since you wouldnt have to handle your camera/run towards the target anymore

[maiden anvil]

Good point ^

[hushed shadow]

i like the initial thought of it, though, to make combat more interesting, but there should be a different way

[maiden anvil]

Yes I was going for something to make it more interesting. Though your probably right about my idea... didn’t actually expect people to like it

[hushed shadow]

what i would like is maybe a different attack to sorta test the water, and it would still be a normal attack, just a lot quicker and more unsure and you'd have to iniate it

you'd kinda snap at your prey to see if you're within range and it does minimal damage

but shows you if youre close enough

maybe could also be used for intimidation in a stand off, where you bite at your opponent but instead of using a full on attack youre rather unsure and bite quickly

im not entirely sure though

[maiden anvil]

So like an attack that does very little dmg?

But it can show when you can hit something

[hushed shadow]

one that is just generally quicker and does very little damage yeah, and it would consume stamina or some other kinda resource and while running or whatever you could continously hold it down and your dino would kinda snap at the prey

as long as you hold it down and then once you can hit it you actually do hit it while snapping at it

and since everyone makes a sound when hit that would be your indicator

but you do basically no damage so the attack wouldnt be abused

this probably wouldnt fit every dino though so id imagine this on the utah and other quick/agile creatures

[valid zephyr]

I mean a different fictional name works too, but the point still stands.

[safe galleon]

ah yes, get punished by winning hard fights by getting a weakspot

that's surely fun

[paper geyser]

yeah i hate the idea of weak spots

scars as battle trophies are an awesome concept, but should be purely cosmetic imo

[safe galleon]

Im pretty sure there's a problem with permanent scars that makes them overload a server cause

Im not sure if that's the exact problem but Im pretty sure filipe has said something about it

[paper geyser]

ah that sucks

hopefully some fix is found or a mod is made that allows for it to be done

[hushed shadow]

hmm yeah, wonder how it'd be realized in the first place

more general locations as change in texture i guess

[haughty hawk]

Ahmm idk but no mather what animel i am or on what server i am i cant do anything els ather then walk i cant eat sleep run ect

[median ore]

@tepid river - your suggestion was, and is currently unnecessary to the gameplay. Larger herbivores can honestly only do so much to protect smaller herbivores that choose to herd with them. Carnivores can easily bait the herbivores into killing each other, and if you're being conscious to NOT kill the smaller herbis, you can't stop any carnivore that DOES get through the line of defense.

I, myself, actually prefer to avoid herds when growing because it is so, so frequent that the smaller herd members get eaten. It's safer to just play stealth herbi and grow alone.

[proud coral]

Deino was already confirmed to be able to sense things on the surface when underwater. I don't know about Spino though

[paper oriole]

They made spino too terrestrial for that ability to fit him anymore tbh

[nimble thistle]

@tender latch there is no need to think and care of such things since we will probably get normal tree climbing with herrera

[tender latch]

But Hypsi need dat survivability doe 😱

[paper oriole]

Normal tree climbing > dumping half your stam to risk missing a tree branch anyway tho

[sonic cloud]

@tepid river as much as I agree with you that small herbivore species shouldn’t be protected by large herbivores due to it fucking over the ecosystem and fucking over small carnivores. I don’t really think your suggestion is necessary for Evrima in it’s current state. As Ziel said it’s much harder to protect smaller herbivores now but if the game does start to devolve and small herbivores start relying on big herbivores for everything then yeah I think it should be implemented

[barren zephyr]

@tawdry smelt what?

oh ok

but isn't the point of sleeping logging out?

otherwise it's just an overglorified rest?

what's the point?

[sonic cloud]

There is none, it’s for logging out

[barren zephyr]

exactly

why are you against it

wat?

I don't understand what

isn't that the point of sleeping

as a logout mechanic

why should it not be that way

isn't the entire point to log out?

[tawdry smelt]

Nevermind, I dont even know what am i talking about 😕

[barren zephyr]

I have reached maximum confusion

[paper oriole]

What would be the beneficial purpose of allowing large tier predators to screw over small tier burrowers who they shouldn't even be hunting because they supply pretty much no food. That would make burrows a pretty useless mechanic too

[potent sparrow]

They gonna be able to destroy burrows and burry you?

(like in legacy)

[scarlet dock]

I would much rather see like-tier predators have a way of invading a burrow, than see a T-Rex stomp on a burrow for little to no benefit.

Some part of me would laugh so hard seeing a raptor invade a burrow, just to get beat up by the number of food items inside.

That's a meaningful risk/reward of like tier dinosaurs fighting for survival/food.

A T-Rex doesn't need to stomp on a burrow.

[paper oriole]

It would only be used to grief small tiers 99% of the time

Only animals who should be hunting those tiers should have anything to do with burrow raiding

[arctic nimbus]

The whole point of burrows is so that you are safe from larger animals and having shelter. It's either larger animals are able to make burrows collapse, which makes burrowing useless for smaller creatures, or they can do very minimal damage to burrows, which makes interacting with burrows and the whole mechanic useless. Anything outside of that would just cause balance issues.

Burrow-raiding should be for the smaller sized creatures, not the larger ones.

[paper oriole]

exactly

[white spruce]

@tardy copper imagine complaining that a game is getting casual

[white spruce]

I'd argue that most of the differences between nova and our utah could be chalked up to a difference in art style, as we see the magnarex looks somewhat less cartoony than its PC counterpart.

[barren zephyr]

But then the sounds also matter

In which case they don't really sound like eachother

https://youtu.be/REh_ppAP5Ks

This thing has tyre screeches for roars, pretty much, whereas the "Utahraptor" is a lot more like JP's Velociraptors

[tardy copper]

@white spruce don’t @ me again

[lofty pagoda]

lol

[sonic cloud]

Make dryo nocturnal instead, it has big eyes for a reason

[barren zephyr]

But then its gonna get hunted down by dilo

[languid crown]

It would get hunted by silo anyway

[barren zephyr]

sIlO

[safe galleon]

I mean there are more diurnal predators than nocturnal ones so dryo is probably more safe during the night

[valid zephyr]

I'd rather dryo got dilo level night vision than a burrowing mechanic.

also pretty sure dryo was faster than dilo in legacy, so might still be the case

[hushed shadow]

burrowing would just add more variety in playstyles to the game imo, and you could argue that the night vision would still come in handy since there won't be a lot of light shining into the burrows

[valid zephyr]

I just don't think that dryo needs burrowing. In the forests it's near impossible to catch.

I've only ever died as dryo when i get bored and start annoying utahs on purpose.

[hushed shadow]

yeah but right now dryo is meat on a stick and exactly, you got bored. why? because there's nothing to this animal

[valid zephyr]

Only change i'd like to see is less delay between clicking dodge, and actually dodging.

[hushed shadow]

and that's why burrowing would be nice, to actually give it some substance and something to play with

instead of getting bored and eventually suiciding

[valid zephyr]

there are a ton of small animals which suit burrowing more.

[hushed shadow]

yeah but who says dryo will be the only animal able to burrow? maybe the other smaller animals could take over abandoned dryo burrows or something, create a dynamic between playables

it doesn't have to be exclusive

dryo is boring atm and that's that, burrowing will make it more interesting so i don't see harm in it

big eyes could be caused by having to adjust to burrow lighting

[valid zephyr]

I'd rather it was dryo taking over the abandoned burrows. With animals like protoceratops making them.

Proto needs burrowing a lot more, as it's far slower than dryo and just a walking snack for the first utah which spots it.

[hushed shadow]

yeah but then there'd still be the argument of dryo just being boring, it has nothing going for it

[valid zephyr]

minmi is also confirmed to burrow in the dossier. And avaceratops was mentioned burrowing too.

[hushed shadow]

yeah so what's the issue with multiple creatures, dryo included, burrowing?

and minmi is rather gonna dig out a little dent and sit in it than a whole burrow

[valid zephyr]

you end up with the entire small roster burrowing then. What about oro? it's like a smaller dryo. And homaceph. Which is barely bigger than a compy.

[hushed shadow]

yeah but why does it have to be dryo that's going to be excluded? if these creatures are even smaller than dryo that also means harder to spot

and harder to catch likely

[valid zephyr]

homa, taco, minmi, ava all got burrowing of some sort. proto may haveburrowed irl.

oro is a smaller and worse dryo.

that are much better things to give dryo. I don't want the entire small roster having one copy and paste ability.

hypsi is the only one really unique right now.

[sonic cloud]

But then its gonna get hunted down by dilo
@barren zephyr
It would get hunted by silo anyway
@languid crown except for the fact that dryo is faster than dilo but ok, I guess the key to balancing dryo is to simply remove all it’s predators because outrunning something slower than you is hard

[hushed shadow]

then oro isnt a viable choice. minmi isn't going to exactly burrow anyway, so we're left with homa, taco, ava and dryo

and what will dryo do if there's so many better things to give it?

[sonic cloud]

Minmi literally burrows in it’s own concept art

[barren zephyr]

Is oro even gonna be playable lol

I feel like it's too small to do anything

[valid zephyr]

compy is going to be playable

compy is like 1/5 the weight of oro

[barren zephyr]

ok

[hushed shadow]

it's not fully burrowing, is it? iirc it just digs a small crevice to sit in

[barren zephyr]

No i just think we should base dryo on the actual dryosaurus

[valid zephyr]

I don't like things that small being playable, but that's the direction the game is headed it.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

I dislike it too

[hushed shadow]

what about this tho

you said there was so many things to give it instead

[valid zephyr]

I remember making a suggestion to move avaceratops from sandbox to survival.

And people told me it was too small.

How times have changed.

[barren zephyr]

Give oro 100k hp and make it a juggernaut ez

Rather than make additions to a dinosaur that are made of our imagination

[valid zephyr]

Given the choice, i'd rather dryo climbed than burrowed. Though neither make sense.

Its name literally means 'tree lizard'.

[barren zephyr]

It would give more variety in a sense

But then also Herrera can climb

Or leap

Whatever tf they're doing with that guy

dryos are already fast and can dodge attacks

making them nocturnal probably further reinforces their highly evasive nature

[hushed shadow]

i don't see dryo being enjoyable otherwise, and since minmi doesn't properly burrow and for one doesn't need it, homa imo doesn't need burrowing either because of mentioned size and being able to hide maybe in logs or holed out trees or something of that sort we're left with about 3 creatures with some sort of burrowing mechanic

[sonic cloud]

^

[valid zephyr]

Hell give it a tail whip. Its tail is like as long as the rest of its body combined.

[sonic cloud]

If you don’t find it enjoyable don’t play it, im sure there are an equal if not greater number of people who wouldn’t enjoy dryo being yet another burrowing herbivore instead of the first nocturnal herbivore.

And with how slow minmi is it definitely needs to burrow, far more than dryo

[valid zephyr]

also homa is confirmed digging and burrowing in the dossier

[hushed shadow]

yes but what i mean is that minmi isn't going to create underground empires. to me digging a hole in the ground to sit in with your back still being visible at surface level isn't burrowing

[sonic cloud]

It literally builds a proper burrow in its concept art

Have you even seen it?

[hushed shadow]

i have and i've said before iirc it just digs a crevice, nobody responded so i assumed that's what it was

[valid zephyr]

That's as big as the legacy dryo burrows.

[barren zephyr]

bruh isn't a burrow literally a crevice

[valid zephyr]

proto is the dryo sized animal which should be digging. It can't do anything else to survive.

It's like dryo, but make it far slower.

[barren zephyr]

Yes Ive had thoughts like that too. But at the same time: how are you gonna be able to climb with such small arms?

[hushed shadow]

no, a burrow has an entrance you enter into, actually going underground

[barren zephyr]

but that's what was in the concept

[hushed shadow]

nobody said proto shouldn't be digging though

[valid zephyr]

Same as burrowing with arms which can't reach past its head.

[sonic cloud]

“Minmi isn’t a proper burrower”

Hmmmm

[hushed shadow]

yes i already responded to this, that was my mistake and ive explained it if you scroll up a tiny bit

[barren zephyr]

oh ok

[hushed shadow]

again what i said just now.

[valid zephyr]

I don't want the same ability copy and pasted onto all the small animals.

[sonic cloud]

It seems like people are just making every small herbivore a burrower rather than actually think of something interesting something that size can do

[hushed shadow]

yes that's not what i want either but i don't think we should just exclude dryo, rather homa hide in holed out trees like i've already said etc etc

[sonic cloud]

At least hypsi is arboreal which is a step in the right direction

Dryo is arguably the worst dino to burrow

[barren zephyr]

Makes more sense tho. It has small fingers that arent made for climbing. But he can use them to drag mud and earth away. Same for its hindlegs

[sonic cloud]

It’s like the 1 small herbivore that should never be burrowing

[valid zephyr]

Dryo is in direct comparison to proto, another herbi which weighs similar. Dryo is far faster, has the dodge ability, is a popular candidate for good night vision herbi as it likely had it irl.

Proto meanwhile is far slower dryo.

[barren zephyr]

I think hypsi would make more sense to be nocturnal

[hushed shadow]

you keep on saying this yet i don't see the issue with both creatures being able to burrow

[valid zephyr]

Yeah it can maybe fight a troodon easier. But the second a utah casually walks up, dead.

Meanwhile dryo can vanish instantly

[sonic cloud]

Well its not just both creatures it’s 90% of small herbivores

[valid zephyr]

because i don't want the entire small roster burrowing.

and of all the small creatures, dryo already has the most going for it.

[barren zephyr]

I also see no problem with dryo being able to create burrows like in legacy

[hushed shadow]

yes but the proto argument keeps on being made for no reason, since whether dryo is included in burrowing or not doesn't affect proto in any way

[barren zephyr]

I dont see the issue

[sonic cloud]

Kind of makes proto redundant

[hushed shadow]

imo in all of the small creatures hypsi has the most going for it.

not dryo

dryo is meat on a stick

[valid zephyr]

makes proto completely pointless. It's just copy and paste dryo, but also can't flee.

[sonic cloud]

“Hey lemme do everything you can do, but im also faster”

[hushed shadow]

yes but nobodys saying the burrowing mechanic should be the exact same

if you create a dynamic between the two or not is also a question

[barren zephyr]

If you look at the small creatures nowadayd youll realize that many of them life in burrows. Mouse, hares, etc.

[valid zephyr]

If I try to compare dryo to a modern animal, I come up with a small deer.

[barren zephyr]

But why?

[valid zephyr]

Fast, agile, nocturnal. Impossible to catch and highly alert.

[barren zephyr]

Minmi just builds burrows like those a rabbit or badger makes

If not more simple kinds

[sonic cloud]

But why?
@barren zephyr can literally say the same about dryo burrowing

[barren zephyr]

I mean the basic burrow is a hole a couple of metres below the ground with a chamber and a smaller entrance tunnel

Yes. Yet rabbits and badgers and mouses are nocturnal they also life in burrows

[barren zephyr]

Rabbits are diurnal mostly

[civic delta]

you could give a small carnivore like juvi utah or herra the ability to make a burrow into another one, to hunt whatever is inside. this could make for some really interesting gameplay and cause burrowing to have risks.

[barren zephyr]

So what if give it both abilities

[valid zephyr]

Giving dryo even better burrowing than the others just makes the problem worse. It's super fast, it can dodge, and it can burrow better.

Why would anyone play another small?

[barren zephyr]

But badgers are more nocturnal

[sonic cloud]

@barren zephyr makes proto redundant

[barren zephyr]

Well dryo burrowing is kinda pointless

It's been intended to be very fleet footed, it burrowing makes stuff worse

[hushed shadow]

where did somebody say it was going to have better burrowing? im sorry im losing track

[sonic cloud]

It's been intended to be very fleet footed, it burrowing makes stuff worse
@barren zephyr exactly

[valid zephyr]

You keep saying how the others just build small crevices while dryo makes an underground empire

[sonic cloud]

Dryo is meant to be super active the last ability it needs is one that makes it stay in one place

[barren zephyr]

I dont think so. In legacy for example you can escape from predators. Dryo reminds me of a meerkat

[hushed shadow]

i never said that though? i said minmi wasn't going to create underground empires??

[valid zephyr]

I wanted proto to have a load of quills, and act more like a porcupine.

But the model has been shown to have no quills.

Ok lets switch this around. Proto lives in the treetops.

[barren zephyr]

We've already got Minmi, which is essentially like an overgrown muskrat (it excavates burrows at vertical river banks), and homalo

[sonic cloud]

And proto

And taco

And oro

[barren zephyr]

Guys. But can you stop all getting kinda angry bout this discussion? Everyone has their own opinion. I feel like yall starting to get pissed rn

We could actually have taco as a sort of porcupine like thingy

[sonic cloud]

5 potential burrowers that are all better suited to it than dryo

[barren zephyr]

Imagine a taco made out of tacos

Just cover it in quills

[hushed shadow]

homalo in my opinion shouldn't burrow. it's so small hiding in dead trees and logs is a better option and makes for more interesting gameplay

[barren zephyr]

And there you have it, a porcupine analogue.

I see no problem with having 2 herbivores being able to burrow

I also see no problem with later adding a small carnivore that can burrow

[valid zephyr]

I'm unironically going to make a proto climbing suggestion, as I don't want all the smalls as burrowers.

As it's pretty clearly that popular opinion is on dryo burrowing.

[barren zephyr]

Which makes it a threat to dryo and minmi

[valid zephyr]

homa has been confirmed burrowing.

[barren zephyr]

Proto should be a goat

I mean it suits the niche perfectly in terms of it's build

[hushed shadow]

yeah, but just as the proto doesn't have quills like you wanted it to, i don't want homalo burrowing like it's confirmed to be

[barren zephyr]

I like the idea of a goat in the isle🥰

Protoceratops goat

[valid zephyr]

fair.

[barren zephyr]

So

Well it should be given the ability to process a lot of tough vegetation with it's beak

Very interesting discussion with good arguments on both sides

Ceratopsians in general should get more nutrition out of grass since they've got a beak for slicing up crap as well as large guts.

But unfortunatelly i need to leave for dinner.

Cya then

We could have a porcupine psittacosaurus

And orodeomeus could be like an antelope/kangaroo thingy

[valid zephyr]

isn't taco the one with a ton of quills?

[barren zephyr]

Psittacosaurus has some quills on the tail but nothing else

[safe galleon]

looks at ToS taco concept

[barren zephyr]

what

[safe galleon]

the real old taco concept art

that was basically a porcupine

[barren zephyr]

Can ye send it

[safe galleon]

Really hope taco gets turned into this

Damn that’s bad quality

Lemme get a better one

[barren zephyr]

Orodeomeus turned into a kangaroo would be wack

[valid zephyr]

what do you mean a kangaroo?

as in fast and agile?

[barren zephyr]

As in that it hops

well you can modify the feet and tail and there, you have a roo

[barren zephyr]

That reminds me of the time when peopme thought dinosaurs were related to kangoroos

well most bipedal dinosaurs used to be depicted with their tails dragging the ground prior to the 70s in scientific media

[ashen wasp]

Yeah, but even still, convergent evolution would be a much more likely explanation— look at the animals’ anatomical traits over their posture

[night mountain]

utah hatchling

[slow night]

I might of missed the discussion. However, what about timers being set on either regional spawning areas or species. That might prevent the people that like to re spawn constantly just to target a single player.

[barren zephyr]

👌

kangaroos

Suggestion

Rename the isle to "The Australisle"

And remodell every dinosaur to look like a koala or kangoroo

Well oro's feet don't really look like that of a roo

It's a generic small ornithopod, like Dryosaurus

Just like hypsi

Except the fact he has a square head with superbrows

[sonic cloud]

Hypsilophodon and Orodromeus are the same thing except they chose to fictionalise Hypsi and keep Oro normal

[barren zephyr]

well in practice they're the same

hypsi tapping into phone calls with head feathers

[white spruce]

it is already that size in game, everything else just happens to be even bigger

diablo is just oversized

[barren zephyr]

Yeah kinda. When human was out for a short time for testing it was like an ant compared to utah babys

[barren zephyr]

Im sorry that music is to disorted for me

[paper oriole]

Current isle OST >>> whatever the hell that video is

[thorn glacier]

ah yes, the toilet flushing song

perfecto musico

[civic sparrow]

K

And not talking about the majority of the Song anyway, only a few certain parts. The good eerie parts

[dapper pulsar]

Bullying creatures out of their burrows would be neat.

Also I'd prefer Homalo as a climbing, goat like animal.

[lone kite]

more crevices would help out not only dryos but also smaller carnivores as-well giving them places to hide from larger carnivores

[barren zephyr]

Pog

[pale schooner]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

safety mechanics like burrowing should stay with smaller animals not megafauna and large predators like deino lol

[lone kite]

i would not consider deino an large predator more of an medium sized predator theres still things bigger than it but i see ur point

[paper oriole]

I mean there are things bigger than it but it's still a large predator lol

[civic sparrow]

maybe for young deinos but nothing is gonna be a threat to deino underwater

[barren zephyr]

An army of Beipis maybe

[civic sparrow]

A gang

Beipi gangs mobbing young deinos when

[barren zephyr]

So apparently some people think Orodeomeus is a better tree climber than a monkey

It's stupid

It just is. Oro is not a tree climber, it's more like an ostrich than a lemur looking ass thingy

Well if it were to be tree climbing, you'd have to make it's anatomy radically different

[thorn glacier]

Fr. Even with a game that's become very paleo-inaccurate lately, Oro being a tree dweller makes no sense. Theres nothing in its anatomy that suggests it could even jump onto a branch, nevermind climb effectively.

[barren zephyr]

Orodeomeus with a kangaroo-ish playstyle would make sense

[white spruce]

@rare bone there's already a compass

[rare bone]

Is there? I suppose I need to explore it more then lol.

[white spruce]

the squiggly shape at the top of your screen when you smell is the compass. In legacy the peak points north, while in evrima I believe it points east.

[white spruce]

Wouldn't it suck if you lost your dilo because the night was absurdly short for a few days in a row?

[warm current]

What you're saying doesn't make sense! Don't you survive with your Dilo even when it's daylight?
Just as some nights will be shorter, other nights will be longer. This favors balance and reflects what happens in the real nature we live in, that is, it provides a more realistic game.

[thin fulcrum]

But then after that the days would become shorter and nights longer.
The only challenging thing I see with it is actually implementing an annual cycle in which the 'seasons' can efficiently work, and how that'll vary across servers. Hypothetically if it were to work It'd be nice to have minor changes in the environment, so its not too much of an arse ache to make; frost on the grass/leaves in winter, small flowers in fields etc for spring, less leaves on the trees in autumn and summer is pretty much the current state of the game. This would also encourage players to adapt to the surroundings and plan their growth/survival more carefully, with the only extreme changes being the amount of daylight.

[warm current]

Exactly.

[white spruce]

And now we're suggesting serious temperate seasonal shifts as though the game doesn't take place on a tropical island?

[safe galleon]

dilo is nocturnal

[warm current]

The climate is fixed (tropical). The idea is to make the game more realistic with seasonal variations.

I don't know if this is easy to implement (to program).

[safe galleon]

also doesn't seem very fun to play the game at night when you cant see shit for a long time

do you want snow?

[white spruce]

The island is filled with tropical species that wouldn't be alive if it froze over during winter. Realistically there'd only be a wet and a dry season at most

[warm current]

What's the problem? And yet the longest night doesn't mean hours more ...
The numbers I used are for reference only, but can be changed. A longer night can be 5 minutes longer for example.

[white spruce]

so it's either so unnoticeable that it doesn't matter or so extreme that it's bullshit

[safe galleon]

we're already getting droughts

5 minutes wouldn't be noticable, just a useless change no one will pay attention to

[warm current]

There are species in the game that didn't even live together in the same habitat. Some are even from different eras.
And I'm not suggesting that there is a severe snowfall in winter. Therefore, there would be no impediment if there were more dynamics in the seasons.

[white spruce]

Ah yes, the old "it's not entirely realistic, so it doesn't need to be believable at all"

[warm current]

You still don't understand that the numbers are just references to demonstrate the idea.

[warm current]

You have a fixed map in the tropical climate. Want more anti-realistic than that?

[white spruce]

that made no sense

the tropical climate is fixed in a tropical climate? How is that anti-realistic?

[warm current]

My suggestion is just to make the climate more realistic. Well, but I understand your point of view! I appreciate the contribution.

[safe galleon]

what

[paper geyser]

i'd just like to point out that your name is literally the Widow Maker and i love it lmao

[warm current]

The seasons alternate, even in the tropical climate.

[white spruce]

the climate is more realistic now, with minimal differences between seasons, than it would be if you gave it more temperate seasons despite it being tropical

[thin fulcrum]

A wet and dry season could work, with noticeable changes in herbivore food, grazing quality and water levels (slightly) as well as cosmetic effects like dry/wet skin. ETC.
Though seasons were just a little side topic on the suggestion, the real subject was the cycles, which I think would be a nice edition provided the changes aren't too extreme, a few minutes difference isn't something to cry about.

[safe galleon]

we're getting dry season, probably wet seasons too

[warm current]

Thanks.

[warm current]

Can also be. I gave the initial idea that it can be improved.

[white spruce]

shifting the length of days and nights is just ass because certain species seriously depend on whether or not it's day or night. It should stay equal time night and equal time day or else those species are put under an unfair disadvantage that can only be avoided by leaving the server

[thin fulcrum]

A changing day and night cycle would help spice up game play, so there's no loop of "Oops, night time, better hide for half an hour." or "Damn day time, gotta wait another x minutes till I can hunt."

[white spruce]

that isn't conducive to a fun time

[white spruce]

It's just the loop of "Oh damn, the nights are getting long again, guess I'll have to leave for an hour until it cycles back to long days"

[safe galleon]

longer nights/days would be annoying or not noticeable
different seasons with ex. snow would make no sense
we're already getting dry, and probably wet, seasons

[warm current]

I do not agree. The night will be longer, but soon the day will also be longer. That way there will be a balance.

[paper geyser]

that already happens, people leave and come back when its night

[white spruce]

So why exacerbate the problem by occasionally making nights crushingly long?

[paper geyser]

not saying that's a good idea, I'm just saying that argument is weak

[white spruce]

it isn't weak at all. Why make certain species just unable to enjoy the game on occasion just because they happened to be on at the wrong part of a cycle?

[warm current]

When you speak it makes it seem like it was suggested to put on a much longer night. My idea is not to make nights long.
My idea is to implement the seasons and the dynamics of solstices and equinoxes.

[white spruce]

That sucks ass in actual gameplay, regardless of how realistic it is. Disease is realistic, and yet it still isn't planned because it just wouldn't be enjoyable.

[warm current]

You may need to read and reflect a little on what is a solstice and an equinox. Why this dynamic of the seasons occurs in real life.

[white spruce]

I know how seasons work, and the way you are suggesting they be added would be miserable.

having the entire server get forced to deal with either extra long days or extra long nights sucks for players

[warm current]

Instead of creating a new winter map ... the seasons solve the problem by creating environments as time goes by.

[white spruce]

Winter isn't even a season for a tropical island

They transitioned from a temperate locale seen in legacy to a tropical one seen in evrima

spiro would only have wet and dry seasons, which are replicated by droughts being planned

[warm current]

But I didn't say it needs to snow in winter, friend. I just suggested alternating seasons and you don't understand. I did not say that the climate has to change severely as it does in some parts of the world.

[thin fulcrum]

Bearing in mind the changes in night/day would only be a few minutes, 10 or 20 at the peak I'm guessing. So it's in my opinion not that much of a difference, considering those few minutes could help others: Extend the hunting time for a Dilo, or provide a few more minutes for a herbi to get food etc.

[white spruce]

You are the one not understanding. I've repeated myself to you multiple times now and you're just not listening. Either the seasonal differences are so minimal that they're not worthwhile, or they're so noticeable that they're not fun. Furthermore, the changing lengths of day and night would be absolutely miserable for anybody caught in the wrong part of the cycle.

[white spruce]

40-50 minute long night. Cool, people would just love having to sit through that.

fuckin hour in the dark

[warm current]

That is your point of view! I respect, although I totally disagree.

[warm current]

Yeah

[thin fulcrum]

It'd be good for nocturnal hunters, then later on it'd switch over.

[formal merlin]

I agree with herp it would just be misreble

[white spruce]

It might be more realistic, but it isn't more fun. This is a game, and gameplay > scientific realism. Having a fixed and equal night and day cycle is both more balanced and more fun for players, it'd be the preferable outcome.

[warm current]

I don't know if the developers read the suggestions here. But if so, let's wait! Perhaps this suggestion is interesting or contributes to new ideas

[thin fulcrum]

In the end we all have different opinions and they're both valid in their own ways, we're just hopelessly arguing a point among many which realistically isn't going to be implemented either way since there's so many suggestions. It was good to get our points across though no matter how powerful an argument was its useless lmfao. Off into my cave I go, till we meet again!

[cosmic oxide]

I've been banned from a isle server and i don't know why or how to get help so i was wondering if you guys could help me?

[paper geyser]

If it's an unofficial server then try to find their discord server and contact the admins, if it's an official server then contact Punch in here (i think it's him you should talk to, correct me if I'm wrong)

[cosmic oxide]

i know who runs the server but i don't know their discord

Their name is vampia

[formal merlin]

What server

[cosmic oxide]

Teutonic 1

[formal merlin]

Go to the teutonic discord if they have one

[cosmic oxide]

i dont know their discord though but the server owner does i just dont know it

[sturdy widget]

He literally just said he didn't know it lol

[formal merlin]

And this isnt the right chat

[cosmic oxide]

oh

[formal merlin]

He said he didnt know vampias discord

[cosmic oxide]

no i dont

[formal merlin]

Well i read it like that but ask in another channal this is wrong one

[cosmic oxide]

ok no worrys

[formal merlin]

👍

[tepid gate]

In terms of discussion about day/night cycles - I agree with Herp(and it's a rare thing for me to agree with Herp). Having an equilibrium where nights and days take just as much time levels the playing field instead of forcing players to outright log out at times. If a night takes 30 minutes and you're not a nocturnal species you might still decide to stay in the game so as to keep progressing. At the very least you know you won't starve during that time even if you don't necessarily look for food. If you make the night 50 minutes long though? Staying on is really inadvisable and I'd argue that from update 6 and onwards you're probably just outright better off logging out. Indeed there's been an issue with people logging out at specific time points back in the legacy however this suggestion would very likely exacerbate that issue. I literally don't see any gameplay benefit from having a shifting length/proportions of day-night cycles. Is there any actual positive gameplay outcome that you see from introducing this mechanic? Because the only one that I see is so minimal that it's outright negligible while it exacerbates issues that were already present in the game.

Also change of 10-20 minutes of a day night cycle is quite massive. That's hardly "not much of a difference" that's a massive difference and a change like that would have had an enormous impact on certain situations I had back in the legacy(usually in my favour but nevertheless it would still be unfair towards the other person).

[safe galleon]

@odd robin what?

[odd robin]

Actually, this is impossible to survive as a carni if you playing alone, always there is cannibals, no ia

[paper geyser]

it's pretty easy to survive as a solo carnivore

plenty of corpses around

not to mention loads of AI

[barren zephyr]

There's AI, despite them having upped the spawn rates and stuff I still find it hard to actually find any myself

[lofty pagoda]

playing a carnivore has never been easier than now

[safe galleon]

really not hard at all, I almost always play solo and have no problems

[azure wadi]

“Do something to make carnivore viable” I’m sorry, what

[paper geyser]

it's the fact that the word "viable" was used that really does it for me lol

[azure wadi]

Are they implying that Utah and Carno aren’t viable? Did they hear viable in a discussion and think it means weak or un balanced?

[lofty pagoda]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[azure wadi]

Oh, I think they’re just not very good at the isle because I’m best at surviving when I’m on my own

[real kraken]

@sharp stratus I'm pretty sure the server owner sets a group limit

[sharp stratus]

Oh ok sorry, in that case official server should have higher group limits

[civic peak]

Server owner here, We cannot currently set group limits @real kraken @sharp stratus

[sharp stratus]

Ah ok I see

[civic peak]

It seems to be just a feature of the game unfortunately, but I would love to have that feature available to us!

[azure wadi]

Putting a check on your own suggestion

[paper geyser]

Official servers are capped at 75 players currently because that's the safe limit that was set

anything above can and will fuck with the game occasionally

see: lag, desync, bugs, etc

source is QA

[real kraken]

Oh I thought you could

[civic peak]

No, not as of current

I wish though

[paper geyser]

oh shit we're talking about group limits, disregard what i said

[azure wadi]

Aren’t reacting to suggestions a way do saying who agrees with you, what’s the point of reacting to your own suggestion

[paper geyser]

padding the "I agree" counter

[azure wadi]

I like the skin, don’t really like skinny Alberto

[paper oriole]

New alberto concept doesnt really look thicc or tanky imo

[azure wadi]

It’s just got a short neck and big head

[paper oriole]

Yeah it and acro both share that condition

[azure wadi]

Acro is just fat, besides that is proportions are normal

I’m not a fan of those roars

[paper oriole]

Idk his neck lookin kinda squimshed

[warm current]

I liked the skin and agree that some animals could have their dimensions revised. But Alberto is between Allo and Acro. Will reducing his strength add something good to the game?

I also liked the sounds of Alberto

[paper oriole]

Yeah his current sound design is fine

No reason to change it

[warm current]

Maybe not change. Just give more choice of sounds for the species.
In the same way that you customize your skin.

[safe galleon]

old alberto skin is probably one of the best in the game, would be a shame if they changed it

[azure wadi]

^

[warm current]

Not with great variability of sounds. But, two options per species ... why not?

[safe galleon]

I tried recreating it onto other dinos and they all looked

[azure wadi]

I remember the old Blue Theri skin, that was my favorite

Isn’t male maias base skin similar?

[safe galleon]

to the alberto?

[azure wadi]

Yes.

[safe galleon]

I wouldn't really say so

alberto brown is more cold and maia doesn't have blue

[azure wadi]

I just have a bad memory of it because I haven’t seen it in a while

[safe galleon]

I dont think default maia has a bright color

[maiden anvil]

@modest crystal its not bad idea but that skin does not look good. A bit too neon like color. Plus the skin that Alberto already has couldn’t fit it better

At least I think so

[warm current]

@barren zephyr

I especially liked the earthquake. But if lightning strikes eventually kill one or another dinosaur, it will be a good size for me.

[white spruce]

randomly exploding lakes sounds just awful

[barren zephyr]

randomly exploding lakes sounds lovely

[jovial otter]

I would love environmental issues. The only danger is ourselves or others atm, having to watch out for environmental stuff would be fun! Maybe hot springs that are actually painful to swim in, or some that are more healing if you wallow near it. The ants that could bite you if you're sitting too long near their nests, or squatting by gore that's decayed. Earthquakes could trigger burrow cave ins or poisonous gas if there's sulphur lakes (earthquake happens, after it ends a yellow cloud can ride out so it's visible for a while)
I'm 100% down for more pve dangers

[barren zephyr]

spoopy krono pls

[white spruce]

having your dinosaur randomly killed without anything you can do about it is inherently shit, especially in a game where people put in so much time for their creatures

[paper geyser]

^

hard agree on that

anything that one shots your dino (apart from large tier difference) shouldn't be implemented imo

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-chaos-theory-jurassic-park-gif-9379994

[white spruce]

[barren zephyr]

Y E S

[white spruce]

that doesn't excuse the game randomly having rngesus smite your dino

[paper geyser]

his talking about chaos theory pisses me off but i guess that's exactly what his character is meant to be, a smug smartass that doesn't really know much

[barren zephyr]

well it would only be if you walk on top of the jets. i'd assume that they'd have a clear model. they'd a risk to swim on top of, but would probably have some rare plant or fish or some shit

[proud coral]

If it's something that you basically have to do yourself, I mean sure. But nothing random.

[white spruce]

the way he explained it, an entire lake blows up

[proud coral]

Oh

[white spruce]

actually he explained it as though it would kill beyond just the lake

[barren zephyr]

I'd love that to be a server event

[white spruce]

That would suck ass

Your dinosaur just randomly explodes because fuck you?

That's not fun

[barren zephyr]

If I had a hand in it's development, I'd rather there be random jets that can be seen, they'd be a high risk high reward location. Random vents that you can see. But alas, I have no idea how to game develop, and I only have ideas

[barren zephyr]

very fun

[jovial otter]

I pictured it not instant, but it starts taking health off little by little. It's only deadly if you stay within the aoe for too long

Dipping in a hot spring that's just barely too hot won't kill you instantly but it hurts and can kill you if you sit in it too long

[proud coral]

Considering this is a game where you have to dedicate hours into growing something, random death does not sound fun.

[jovial otter]

The gas would be like a visible cloud slowly covering the lake, that starts giving you damage if you walk directly into it. No more sudden death than when you swim off into the ocean towards nothingness and drown

Like, maybe an o2 meter for your time in it and you "drown" in the gas if you stay too long

[hybrid matrix]

@kind spruce if u dont wanna play legacy maybe u shoulod switch to evrima?

[jovial otter]

Toxic gas areas would actually be cool. Special areas that have pockets of gas and pockets of good air that have a high quality food source, so it's a risk vs reward thing. Small animals can reach more air pockets and survive there while big stuff has a harder time, or maybe crouch walking let's you breath easier

[proud coral]

I remember ages ago Dondi talked about sulfur fields or something where taller things like Rexes or sauropods could breath since their heads were above it

But smaller things would suffocate

[jovial otter]

Or gas that makes you hallucinate if you walk through it instead of hurt