general-feedback-discussion

[night sand]

immediate death is not nice, wym?

[sonic cloud]

Better than a long slow death

[patent flower]

^

[night sand]

falling from a height that is not even that much, should not be a death sentence

[sonic cloud]

You said two hypsi’s

[night sand]

do i really need to get ingame, and show you the spot where i fell off?

[sonic cloud]

Why were you even rock climbing as a stego?

[night sand]

i may have been wrong with that height, who know

[night sand]

i climbed the hill, then went on to the rock

[patent flower]

"The bigger they are, the harder they fall."

[thorny lynx]

A rat, a human, and a horse are thrown off the empire state building.

The rat walks away. The human dies, broken. The horse splatters.

The larger you are, the more painful a fall is.

[night sand]

at most, i shouldve been given a bad fracture, but not instant death.

[patent flower]

What might seem to a human like a reasonable hight to fall of, might as well be death sentence for something bigger.

[sonic cloud]

4500kg is pretty damn heavy

[night sand]

realistically, that makes sense. But in a game? hell no its horrid

[sonic cloud]

Realistically you might survive but die a long drawn out death due to all your injuries and broken bones

You seem to be asking for a compromise in fall damage related deaths and yet fail to understand that the game already compromises reality by allowing you to die quickly rather than wait an hour to die of starvation while lying as a broken animal

[night sand]

the game wont compromise reality forever, fractures will come and change that

[thorny lynx]

Stego go splat

[patent flower]

yeah but a stego weighing 4.5 t falling 1 m isn't the same as a dryo or utah falling 1 m

[sonic cloud]

Pretty sure falling from a high place will still kill you but feel free to act as though it won’t

“Why can’t I fling this obese animal off a cliff and walk away scot-free”

[night sand]

im not saying i should fall off a cliff and live

[sonic cloud]

Yes you are

6 feet is huge for a big animal

[night sand]

one meter, is not a cliff

[patent flower]

for everything as big as an elephant it might as well be

[sonic cloud]

I don’t know why you’re even complaining tbh

[night sand]

if we call one meter a cliff, might as well call Internet explorer fast

[sonic cloud]

Just regrow stego and don’t make the same mistake

No need to complain in the discord

[night sand]

im asking for it to be changed

[sonic cloud]

By complaining

The whole point of a survival game is to learn from your mistakes

Not ask for the game to accommodate your mistakes and remove the whole “actions have consequences” aspect of the gsme

[patent flower]

uh... I don't want to even know how the rex players will complain about that in the future...

[sonic cloud]

*Cue 50 posts in feedback a day asking why big animals go splat when falling from a high place

[night sand]

isnt feedback based on criticism?

[sonic cloud]

Legitimate criticism

[patent flower]

the IK system isn't in right now, right?

[sonic cloud]

No

[worn pumice]

No

[patent flower]

that will maybe help with slops a little.

[worn pumice]

Stego is 4.5 tons so if u fall and die I don’t see how the game is at fault

[patent flower]

but not for falls

[night sand]

lion, i fell from a meter or less

and i instantly died

[patent flower]

if that lion weighed 4.5 tones yes

gravity is a bi***

[worn pumice]

With an animal that is 4.5 tons dying to 1 meter seems fine

[sonic cloud]

You said one/two hypsi’s earlier

[night sand]

one to two hypsis is a meter

vertically, that is

or half a meter to a meter

[sonic cloud]

More like 2 at the upper bounds

[patent flower]

length wise one is 2m

[sonic cloud]

Thought it was 1?

[patent flower]

don't know the isle length

[worn pumice]

Wait so what are we even arguing about? Did someone die or

[sonic cloud]

Yes

[worn pumice]

Ah

Indo I’m guessing

[sonic cloud]

Bingo

[night sand]

ye, i died to a small fall

[worn pumice]

[sonic cloud]

Rather than accept their legitimate death as part of the game they are choosing to ask for the game to accommodate their mistake

[night sand]

do i need to go and show you the distance i fell at?

[sonic cloud]

Go ahead

[worn pumice]

Low key I would like that

[night sand]

alr, ill do that lol

[thorny lynx]

Dude, youe stego landed with a force of 82 thousand newtons.

You went splat.

[worn pumice]

Yo if ur having trouble with stego dying wait till a trike comes rolling in lol

[sonic cloud]

Trike’ll make a fucking crater lol

[worn pumice]

Lmao

[patent flower]

Well at least his legs where in the torso

[sonic cloud]

“But it was only 1 foot”

[thorny lynx]

1 Newton is approximately one apple in your hand.

Stego fell with the force of 82000 apples sitting on top of it.

[worn pumice]

Imagine brachi omg

[sonic cloud]

Stego made a painting on the floor with it’s blood

[thorny lynx]

Lemme see

[sonic cloud]

The final masterpiece

[worn pumice]

Brachi would kill someone as one of the organs falls on someone lol

[patent flower]

it wasn't the comet that took out the dinos it was a brachi falling

[sonic cloud]

Picasso would be proud

[thorny lynx]

1097600 newtons if Brachi fell 2 meters.

[worn pumice]

Imagine falling from your house and then someone complained u died

[sonic cloud]

The force of my cheeks clapping

[worn pumice]

[thorny lynx]

Say a person weighs 85 kg and you fall 2 meters on your ass.

833 apples right there.

[night sand]

so, i took a 2nd look at where i died

[jade schooner]

I’ve done that

[thorny lynx]

Did it hurt?

[night sand]

turns out the fall was bigger than i thought, night time screwed up how big i thought it was

[jade schooner]

A lot lol

[night sand]

around the height of my stego

[jade schooner]

But I could get up

[thorny lynx]

Plates and sll?

[night sand]

anyway, that ends it lol. i just wish for not instant death

[night sand]

excluding plates

[worn pumice]

Well what else do u want u want the stego to get up and then die lol

[night sand]

up to shoulders pm

[sonic cloud]

If you fall from that height you kind of deserve it tbh

Instant death

[thorny lynx]

176400 apples.

Splat.

[worn pumice]

Gg ez

[night sand]

no, i dont want instant death from falling unless its like from an understandable height

[patent flower]

now i wan't some apple juice

[sonic cloud]

That was an understandable height

[thorny lynx]

Imagine a Rex trying to jump one foot.

Lemme see.

[night sand]

rex cant jump, it can fall doe

[thorny lynx]

Almost 26286 apples.

[night sand]

it should not have been instant death, but that'll be fixed with fractures i hope.

[sonic cloud]

Shoulder height on a stego is pretty tall my dude

[worn pumice]

Uh if it’s instant death whether fractures r in or not ur still gonna die

[sonic cloud]

Deserved to die from it

[thorny lynx]

4.3 meters.

[sonic cloud]

Splat

[thorny lynx]

14 feet.

[worn pumice]

Make stego get up and move around like a zombie for 4 mins

[night sand]

what stego did you use, this most certainly wasnt 14 feet

stenops or smth else?

if stenops at shoulder height is 14 feet, ill be shocked

[thorny lynx]

@unborn quail how big is our Stego at the hip?

[worn pumice]

We have max stenops stego in our game

[unborn quail]

Largest stegosaurus individual is roughly 3m at the hips.

Ours is around that size from rough scaling/eyeing

[thorny lynx]

So Stego basically fell more than ten feet

And you don't want it to splat?

Also, thank you, Nova.

[night sand]

id prefer a bad fracture tbh

[thorny lynx]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurs/images/b/be/Stegosaurus_armatus_scale-0.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20190119085323

Stenops shmol

[worn pumice]

falls from the top of my house tis but a flesh wound

[unborn quail]

terrible chart

ung is dubious with stenops

[thorny lynx]

Can you make max stenops next to max Ubgulatus pls?

[unborn quail]

ung is stenops

[thorny lynx]

Wot

[worn pumice]

Wait wot

[thorny lynx]

dramatic 4 call head tossing intensifies

[worn pumice]

[thorny lynx]

So, wait. How big was the largest stego EVER discovered?

[unborn quail]

6000kg give or take

2.7-3m hip height

9-9.7m

[thorny lynx]

Our Stego is on diet

And ours is how long?

[unborn quail]

prob pushing over 9 meters give or take

its model size is ifne, weight is just off

[thorny lynx]

9.7m is a lot larger than 9 tho

Yeah, weight is off

Stego eats grass vapor and drinks air molecules

[worn pumice]

6 ton stego wen

[white spruce]

"Guarantee it wasn't 2 feet, you're a giant creature. What might look like 2 feet is actually a very large fall."
Whoever might've predicted that you miscalculated the fall must be an absolute genius

[thorny lynx]

In yoir opinion, what would happen to a stego who fell 2 meters?

[night sand]

surely not instant death, but probably some pretty busted legs

[white spruce]

That sounds like max fracture damage or instant death, considering that larger animals are generally less able to handle large falls.

An ant can survive a fall from the empire state building. An elephant can hardly survive a fall at all.

Blue whales are so bad at surviving falls that they take fall damage just from being on land

[worn pumice]

blue whales are so massive to the point where its like how did they even get here

[patent flower]

and they explode on death don't forget they explode

[worn pumice]

also i have just learnt that adult male african elephants can range 2-7 tons

[white spruce]

@night sand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7KSfjv4Oq0 Might want to watch this video before you start playing your next super-large creature

[worn pumice]

sounds bad for the elephant just a safe guess

[white spruce]

spolier: it is

[worn pumice]

shit y u gotta spoil it

[white spruce]

it's within the first few seconds, man

[thorny lynx]

You can make creatures really big in the water.

[worn pumice]

yup

weight is distributed better in the water

[thorny lynx]

You can carry a 300 pound human in water easily, but as soon as you go on land, HHHHHH

[worn pumice]

[white spruce]

Isn't it odd how we coexist with the largest animal ever to be described, and yet we act very meh about blue whales when compared to something like a megalodon or a livyatan?

[worn pumice]

ikr

i can make a hut inside the blue whales heart and live there

[white spruce]

Blue whales would dwarf nearly everything in the game, and yet we seem to lose scale of them

We act like livyatans are so cool, and yet sperm whales are even larger and are actually still extant

[worn pumice]

the largest blue whale ever recorded was 110 ft

and the heaviest blue whale recorded was 209.439 tons

[white spruce]

I'd so be down if blue whales migrated to The Isle on occasion. Not sure if that would be lore-friendly or not.

[worn pumice]

would love to see a blue whale come outta nowhere lol

[thorny lynx]

https://www.humandynamo.co.nz/images/480453/IMG_1030.jpg beeg

[worn pumice]

yup

[white spruce]

Would The Isle be sectioned off from the rest of the world's oceans? I don't think it is

[thorny lynx]

4 to 8 beats a minute in a blue whale.

Low as 2.

[white spruce]

could you fit in the veins of a blue whale?

Go through a fun water slide of blue whale vein

[worn pumice]

that moment u realize sometimes black bears arent black

[wooden drift]

world view shattered.

[noble pine]

People keep suggested sliding animation when falling, this already exists and was shown by don on a stream, it’s just not implemented yet

[still raptor]

What the fuck is a friendship system? Do you mean the grouping system?

[hollow python]

first, in my region and the place where I live, it’s called the friendship system, ask with more education next time.

[safe galleon]

Im guess they're probly using google translate and the words are just getting messed up

[sturdy widget]

The hurt screen is optional isn't it? Doesn't it turn off with the hud?

[valid elk]

Okay, so, anything I should change up about my Austroraptor idea?

[real kraken]

Holy, austro was huge https://images.dinosaurpictures.org/austroraptor_cabazai_by_teratophoneus-d4yef92_1ab5.jpg

[opaque warren]

@plucky ridge Do you intend that to be only for herbivores to use? Although it's a good suggestion, i think carnivores should be able to do it as well

[valid elk]

@real kraken Austroraptor is almost the longest Dromie.

It stands eye to eye with Utahraptor in the largest estimates

Thanks to new evidence, Austroraptor was a tough mofo.

@barren zephyr Why x?

This makes Austroraptor tougher and expands its prey items

[barren zephyr]

Cause Imo Austro should stay as austro. What you described was, for me, a Bary niche hunting prey in riversides and near bodies of water.

To my perspective Austro should just be a heron type of animal

[valid elk]

...so, I based my Austroraptor idea off of new material.

In which case, it has stronger jaws and can kick and slash at larger animals

So, its still a heron, just a heron mixed with a terror bird

[barren zephyr]

should austro be able to climb trees

considering it's a heron but it can't fly

[valid elk]

No, its still speedy.

Animals like Deinonychus should climb trees

[barren zephyr]

Is deinonychus coming to the isle

I keep gettign spammed about it from my friends

[valid elk]

No, KingJaffad made a great suggestion, but it isn't confirmed

[barren zephyr]

seems like a weird idea

where would it fit in

[valid elk]

Its basically a jaguar.

[barren zephyr]

isn't herrera already a jaguar?

[plucky ridge]

Not sure. Just threw the idea out there. I won’t see why not.

[valid elk]

Herrera is in its own sort of place. No one has a clue what it is.

[barren zephyr]

Then deinon would probs fit as a competitor for herra

[valid elk]

Deinonychus would be Troodons rival

Both are the same size and hunt around the same animals

[barren zephyr]

then it would have to do more outrigth damage because of troodon venom wouldn't

ir

*it

[valid elk]

Basically

[barren zephyr]

so like a mini utah

[valid elk]

Yeah

[jovial sleet]

another chad austro

[barren zephyr]

what would be the difference between a sucho and a Bary in terms of gameplay?

They're both grizzly bear style dinos arent they

and the sucho is better isn't it

[real kraken]

I would love them to add it in soon as a piscivore

[valid elk]

@barren zephyr Suchomimus is basically a pelican bear and Baryonyx is an actual bear.

[barren zephyr]

So bary would rely on agility in comparison to the sucho

[valid elk]

Yes.

Sucho is bigger, but slower.

[barren zephyr]

thanks for clarification

[thorny lynx]

Bary is more terrestrial than Sucho is. It is faster and cN catch smaller dinos more reliably.

[barren zephyr]

k

so a really angry birb-bear

[valid elk]

Yeah

Which reminds me, wish people would tag me instead of just x-ing it

[barren zephyr]

“x-ing”?

[valid elk]

❌

That

Like, yeah, you couldn't just...tag me and tell me your problems for it?

[barren zephyr]

Ooohh

Yea that makes sense

[lilac swallow]

Herbis shorter grow and better stats than their counter parts? Yeah, no
I prefer animals being balanced the same way regardless of their diet

And I actually play more herbi than carni

[barren zephyr]

But there is a general population of players as mostly carnis

[lilac swallow]

I know, but you dont fix it just making herbis objectively better playables

[barren zephyr]

Yea but there needs to be some form of incentive to play herbi

[lilac swallow]

Being op isn't the one

I agree herbis need to be played more

But that's not the way

[barren zephyr]

Better grow is probably an ok incentive

I also disagree with better stats

But better grow at least

[lilac swallow]

I can live with better grows but I still prefer it doesn't happen

But the "food isn't a problem for herbis" point is one I agree a lot

[barren zephyr]

Although most of the bigger herbis from tenont upwards have some really good stats that trunk carnis

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

*trump not trunk

Plus there are a lot more apex herbivores and than apex carnivores

[lilac swallow]

But "trike just curbstomps Rex because trike is herbi" is stupid, I would prefer being an even match up, or favoring trike, but not because it's herbis but because it's a slower animal

[barren zephyr]

If you can even call acro an apex, it still doesn’t make a difference considering that there are 7 apex herbis

And 3 apex carnis

Unless you consider acro

Trike should have a ridiculous turn radius

[lilac swallow]

Animal strength should simply be balanced around their speed and grow time, ignoring totally the diet

[barren zephyr]

For a second there I thought you were discussing the perk system

And I was about to disagree

Until I realized you were talking about carnis and herbis

Yea it should be more about skill

[lilac swallow]

Skill unless the size difference is big enough

[glossy matrix]

jaguar austro

[valid elk]

Exactly.

[barren zephyr]

Spoopy Austin here to make sure that you have a change of pants

*Austro

How autocorrect do this

*does

[valid zephyr]

dodge should be effective because it takes you away from their attack. not because it makes you invincible for a bit.

[cyan flame]

Agreed. Adding iframes seems like an artificial solution to make a mechanic work that just hasn't been designed/balanced correctly yet.

Utah should not have iframes, nor should dryo, or anyone else, unless there's really no other option to make something work.

[wild stone]

iframes are not appropriate for this genre of game. If it were a dueling game, things would be different.

dodge should be effective because it takes you away from their attack. not because it makes you invincible for a bit.
Exactly this. If I right click to attempt to dodge, but have not phyically moved myself out of range of an incoming attack, then I have not dodged and that attack should do whatever it normally does when it connects with me.

[tepid gate]

iframes are completely inappropriate for this genre. Utah should lose them and Dryo shouldn't get them either.

[white spruce]

a dodge should work the same way as a dodge would

a dodge should be used as a way to dodge an attack

[cyan flame]

So, if you use it properly, you don't need iframes because the attack missed

[tepid gate]

Yes, dodge an attack not get an iframe during which you are invulnerable just because.

^

[white spruce]

I can't control the exact movement of the dryosaurus because this is a video game

Unless the devs want to add multiple variations of the dodge so that I can pick them for any situation I find myself in, I suggest the iframes

[tepid gate]

You can use this logic for biting, pouncing and literally every other mechanic in the game. If it was real life the animal would've reacted differently.

[white spruce]

Except none of those rely extensively on specific movements in the way irl dodging does

[tepid gate]

We have nowhere near the level of control over those animals as they would have by running around.

[cyan flame]

Why do you need to control the exact movement? What's wrong with the current dodge and what would it need?

Why are we working on the idea that current dodge can't be fixed/balanced, but needs artificial iframes to work?

[white spruce]

I cannot do something like dive to the ground, it is the same animation every time\

why can't the dodge just work like a dodge? This is a non-issue that is used across multiple games of multiple genres. Dodging should have iframes, it's the literal only thing that should have iframes and is an industry standard.

[cyan flame]

Doesn't mean it's a good solution, or a reasonable one, much less that there aren't alternatives that could work and doesn't need artificial fixes

[wild stone]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[white spruce]

this is a video game being developed by a smakll team. I'm not expecting realism and I don't think they should have to put in miles of more work than necessary

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure changing speed/distance/stuff like that is too much, isn't that the basic for balance if anything?

[paper oriole]

upvoting your own suggestion

[dense wagon]

@wild stone oi you can't check your own suggestion

[wild stone]

I always do lol

[white spruce]

that's because you're stinky

[paper oriole]

yikes

[dense wagon]

[white spruce]

that's fairly cringe

[wild stone]

I find that checkmarking your own suggestion gets a lot more checkmarks.

[paper oriole]

no it just make sit look like you patting yourself on the back lol

[wild stone]

🤷‍♂️ Different strokes I guess. In any case, this is not the discussion that we're here for in this channel.

[dense wagon]

yes but that's called bias, not them necessarily liking your suggestion
that's why it's frowned upon

[wild stone]

Frown all you like. Until I hear otherwise from a mod... 🤷‍♂️

[paper oriole]

also lmao a powerful dodge

how is a dodge powerful

[white spruce]

it has a powerful aura around it

dude gets intimidated by the dodge

[paper oriole]

dryo unlocks ultra instinct

[dense wagon]

[pulsar iris]

Dryo does back flip and shoots carno with a pistol

[white spruce]

Carno should bow to dryo the moment it dodges, worship the squeaky hop boy

[white spruce]

[wild stone]

Well, consider the act of jumping. When you jump, you're pushing against the ground with such force that you can lift into the air. This is the reason that heavy animals can't jump - they aren't powerful enough to shift their own weight off of the ground that quickly.

Dodge is just "jumping", but in a direction. You're using the ground as leverage to fling yourself away from your current position. So a dodging with force, or dodging "more powerfully", would suggest that you expend more energy for greater effect.

I would appreciate it if you didn't attempt to derail the discussion.

[paper oriole]

tryo dodge is just instant transmission behind its attacker then it slashes with a katana

[wild stone]

There's a word for that style of debate.

[dense wagon]

okay penguin you can be serious now

[paper oriole]

dryo dodge shoule be better but i can't bring myself to upvote that suggestion

like utah gets invincibility frames for getting knocked off after its op pounce but dryo dodge just slightly delays its death

pretty lame

[wild stone]

Utah's "invincibility frames" are a known issue and will be resolved accordingly.

[white spruce]

Iframes are used for dodge mechanics all over the gaming industry, it's the standard way to convey that a character is dodging and not just jumping

[cyan flame]

That's not an argument Herp

[paper oriole]

if anything right now dryo's dodge just annoys its attacker before it becomes lunch in the end anyway

[wild stone]

I would say that The Isle is a fairly non-standard game.

[white spruce]

This isn't any more of an argument

[cyan flame]

Even if everyone is doing it, it doesn't mean it's good, it doesn't mean it's the only way, and it certainly doesn't mean it can't be made in a better way in a given example.

[white spruce]

Just because it's the way it is frequently done doesn't mean it's lazy or stupid

[cyan flame]

And it would probably be far more beneficial to the game, and development, if we at least consider ways of doing things, instead of just throwing on an artificial solution and calling it a day.

[dense wagon]

i like both suggestions honestly
a farther dodge and regulated stam decay would help alot and invol frames could prevent shitty hitboxes from messing it up
i won't upvote hippo's suggestion though until that self-check is gone

[white spruce]

what, making a video game work like a video game!?!?!?!

[dense wagon]

i don't see why we can't have both.

[white spruce]

Ruined, game is broken. It behaves like a video game. I can't feel every muscle of my dinosaur, delete this off steam

[wild stone]

#balance-feedback-discussion message
Again, iframes aren't appropriate for this genre of game.

[cyan flame]

So, we can be a bit more constructive, creative, and work on the issues of the dodge, the various solutions, and see what we can come up with. Doesn't mean any one solution is perfect, but they can probably all offer something.

[white spruce]

Why? Proof.

What about this being a survival game is mutually exclusive to dodge having iframes?

[dense wagon]

I get it but i also don't
Iframes haven't really been done before but it could definitely work out for the dodge

[wild stone]

Iframes belong in dueling games, quite simply.

[white spruce]

This seem like an entirely subjective take

[cyan flame]

We probably could. I'm mostly arguing that we should discuss different solutions to the issues current dodge have, not just go "lets just add iframes to fix it". We could just as well say "add more distance".

[jovial vine]

I like that people only pointed out checkmarking your own suggestions when Hippo did it and not me lol

[dense wagon]

stereotypical. just because something is more common somewhere else doesn't mean the isle can't be an exception

[white spruce]

I've seen AAA horror games with dodge iframes, your point is subjective and without merit.

[paper oriole]

how about on top of the dodge dryo can shed its skin when its grabbed like a day gecko and have a chance of slipping away

[dense wagon]

r/i had a stroke

[wild stone]

The assumption of a dueling game is that your characters are roughly equal in ability, and whoever wins has more skill. That is not the case with a survival game.

[jovial vine]

But aye, Iframing consistantly works in many genres, end of

[tepid gate]

I can think of some RPG games that used iframes for their dodge mechanics - they always end up looking funny. There was that one where you could cheese the final boss while playing with initial equipment just by abusing iframes. I think it was Risen3

[white spruce]

That has nothing to do with dodge having iframes

[jovial vine]

I remember hearing people in this discord saying evrima combat shouldnt have a lot of the engaging mechanics we're getting now with that same reasoning

[dense wagon]

the isle can't have iframes because iframes should only be for super smash bros 😡 😡

[strange wave]

isnt the isle also going for a skill based environement?

[white spruce]

So you make the dodge cost stam, which it already does, and don't make the entire animation have iframes.

[cyan flame]

Why is it so hard to focus on the issues of the dodge itself, and work from there?

[dense wagon]

how is the isle not skill based..

that argument in itself is dumb

[jovial vine]

The Isle is being made so combat is skill based lol

[tepid gate]

It's not, TI is more so knowledge based if anything.

[white spruce]

Weren't you making the argument that dodge having iframes would diminish the skill in The Isle?

[wild stone]

Look, I can't be arsed to argue with you anymore, man. It's just out of genre in my opinion. To put it another way, others have said that iframes "feel artificial." Does that seem a like an air-tight argument to you?

It doesn't have to be, we're not trying to "disprove" iframes. I can imagine a future in which iframes were introduced and I don't think it would be awful. I just think there are more elegant solutions, and since iframes seem like an ugly solution, I doubt we'll see something like that from this team.

[dense wagon]

debatable
the isle involves alot of combat, and combat involves skill and strategy

[tepid gate]

Are you talking to me Herp?

[cyan flame]

Not that it's not interesting, but it's not really related to the dodge issue or suggestions

[jovial vine]

Im positive it's been stated many times that evrima combat is being designed to be skill based

[white spruce]

But you admit that your argument is entirely subjective. Iframes are not objectively bad.

[jovial vine]

Yeah I feel like this discussion is just talking to a brick wall, hence why I made the suggestion

[cyan flame]

Exactly! None of us have said "No, iframes can not be a thing", we're simply saying it's artificial (or at least I do), and surely there are other ways to modify and fix the dodge. Such as modifying the current values, like with all balance in general.

[tepid gate]

Nah, they are pretty objectively bad in general. If there's any other solution that can be implemented it will almost definitely be better than iframes.

[wild stone]

Of course they're not objectively bad. I just find them very kludgey in the context of a survival game.

[white spruce]

And as that's what 90% of this argument from the 4 people hating on the iframes idea comes down to, what's even the argument anymore?

[tepid gate]

@cyan flame I'm actually pretty adamantly against iframes of any kind. Utah should lose them on its pounce asap imo.

[cyan flame]

Just because I disagree does not mean I hate it. I think it's not the proper way to solve it when we can work with distance/speed/other values as well.

[wild stone]

Considering that the "iframes" on Utah's pounce are not intended, absolutely.

[white spruce]

if iframes are not objectively wrong and evil for a survival game, this whole argument is moot

[jovial vine]

Utah shouldnt have the on being knocked down, but from disengaging from pounce absolutely

[tepid gate]

@wild stone Yea I know they're not, I think there might be an issue with Utah being a bit too vulnerable after disengaging the pounce though. Iframes are not a solution to this problem though. I hope the devs come up with something good for this.

[cyan flame]

Better to let the utah disengage in a better way, same argument there.

[strange wave]

hey, everybody here, just, go upvote the post bilbo made in #balance-feedback end this shit for a while

[cyan flame]

You're thinking iframes is the solution to these issues, I'm thinking modified values and stuff can be the solution. Not sure why we have to be angry with each other over it to be honest.

[dense wagon]

yo, i'm on the side of both

adjustments to stam decay and distance as well as iframes is FINE imo

[white spruce]

Bilbo's suggestion is better

[dreamy wharf]

Even though they're basically the same?

[white spruce]

They have some differences

[jovial vine]

Where even is Bilbos suggestion

[white spruce]

balance feedback

[paper oriole]

balance feed

[dreamy wharf]

In balance, tbh, where it belongs.

[wild stone]

Bilbo's suggestion is the same thing, only it includes iframes. I don't know why you want iframes so bad - surely you can admit that there are multiple ways to solve the problem.

[white spruce]

And iframes seem like the best solution, while you admitted that your gripes with them were entirely subjective

[wild stone]

I admitted no such thing.

[tepid gate]

They seem like the worst solution, we can go down that rabbit hole again.

[white spruce]

Ah, now you're back to claiming that survival games and iframes are mutually exclusive in some arbitrary way

[cyan flame]

They may not be needed, so why not try the actual values and stuff first.

[dreamy wharf]

I mean, testing both is fine.

[white spruce]

or you could try the iframes first, as it's the easiest solution with the most support so far

[dreamy wharf]

But, I personally feel, that iframes just aren't the way to go about this.

[wild stone]

You're putting words in my mouth and portraying me as a back-pedaler. You're deliberately misrepresenting my argument. This seems like a fundamental communications breakdown, and I'm not willing to discuss it any further right now.

[dense wagon]

this guy gets it

[dreamy wharf]

I have a name you fuck.

[wild stone]

[dense wagon]

okay bob

[dreamy wharf]

[white spruce]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[dense wagon]

you are basically saying that your argument is subjective

[white spruce]

of course you never stated that your argument was subjective

I must've misread those two posts in their entirety

[wild stone]

Some elements of my argument come down to taste, yes. That is very different than saying that my argument is not based on any fact whatsoever.

[wild stone]

Indeed.

[cyan flame]

Putting in the iframes first will probably work, but it's an artificial solution that does not allow for balance, or trying out new mechanics with the dodge, such as a charge/more directions and stuff, that could be interesting. As well as modifying windup, and removing momentum loss when landing. Let the dryo hit the ground running, so you can use the dodge while escaping better.

I'd say we should look for balancing in general, before trying a "fix". Simple as that really.

[white spruce]

34 to 5 on Snacks' original suggestion. Seems like the anti-iframes argument is the minority by a long shot ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wild stone]

You say that like popular opinion means anything as far as what's best for the game.

[tepid gate]

Yea the enormous 39 votes out of a playerbase of some... 3000 players.

[dreamy wharf]

Also was posted when seemingly more people were active, but, y'know.

[white spruce]

You say your opinions as though it's objective fact

[dreamy wharf]

Since it needs to be said.

Both options can be tested

[wild stone]

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.
That's what it comes down to.

[dreamy wharf]

Do I personally think iframes will or should be used? No.

But, there's a problem.

And these are people's ideas on solutions.

[cyan flame]

Exactly Zann. For some reason this has devolved into "iframes" or "no iframes" instead of "these are some solutions we can use" when there are multiple ways to fix it.

[dense wagon]

which is why i think both should be tested, if the devs pay attention to us lmao

[white spruce]

And note how few people seem to be frothing at the mouth at the concept of iframes in a survival game? Why try to find a compromise when the majority of people are okay with the easiest solution.

[dreamy wharf]

I genuinely don't think iframes should even be tested but who knows.

Maybe it could be good.

[dense wagon]

you uh
you did say testing both is fine but whatever

[white spruce]

lotta backpedaling going on

[dreamy wharf]

There's a difference between being objective and having an opinion.

[white spruce]

tell that to hippo

[dreamy wharf]

My opinion is that iframes are bad and shouldn't be in the game or tested.

[dense wagon]

lets cool it herp

[dreamy wharf]

The objective fact, is, like I said, there's an issue and there are suggested fixes for this.

[wild stone]

You guys just wanna argue to score points off of each other, man. You guys don't care what's good for the game, you just want "my answer" to be the right answer.

[cyan flame]

Because it doesn't matter if it's the easiest solution or if people are okay with it, it's not an argument for what solutions we have, or how good respective solution is. Easy, can be a good point. But changing values could probably be pretty easy too, and we have a charge for hypsi junp, so that mechanic is in. Plus the alt camera for look based things.

[white spruce]

And you're not doing the exact same thing?

[wild stone]

I'm not.

[lilac swallow]

You clearly are doing the same

[white spruce]

Bruh.

Mr. "Iframes are subjective but they're objective because it's my opinion"

[wild stone]

Dealing with you has become very tiresome.

[dense wagon]

I advise we take a break from this debate? things kinda getting heated

[cyan flame]

Both/any solutions can be tried and/or used. Personally I think using artificial solutions imply that the mechanic is badly designed in the first place, and so it's the mechanic that should be worked over in the first place. I think Zann feels similar to me

[lilac swallow]

We start the insults eh?

[dreamy wharf]

We haven't been faithful to this conversation for awhile now, do you think we're gonna stop?

Like no.

It's started

It doesn't stop.

That's how this works.

Until everyone stops being as petty as they can be.

[lilac swallow]

There is a time you have to stop dude

[white spruce]

Whenevr the 5 people who hate iframes are on it's going to cycle around to them having a different opinion than everyone else

that's how it works

[lilac swallow]

This Channel isnt called "i frames only disscusion"

[dense wagon]

like, you can continue if you tone down the agressiveness and be a bit more civilized

[dreamy wharf]

In all seriousness, my attempt at being more civil was when I wrote the suggestion.

Realistically, that's all it needs to be left to. Suggestions for those who matter to see them.

[cyan flame]

And it's a good solution. I'd remove the momentum loss on dodging too, so the dryo can keep running. Maybe won't need a speed boost then, since you don't lose movement.

[white spruce]

I'm pretty sure more people would be fine with iframes than people who would breakdown if iframes were added to the dodge. But that's subjective, so who knows.

[cyan flame]

Be that as it may, it's not relevant Herp.

[dreamy wharf]

The idea is you can't really feasibly increase the dodge length to a point where it doesn't become a long range teleport, so, to gain distance in a rational way a speed boost is necessary.

[cyan flame]

Question would be if you need much more distance than is viable, if you can just keep going.

Part of the reason dodge sucks is because you can't just keep moving, so you lose out of any distance you may have gained, from what I know at least.

[dreamy wharf]

Yes, because things are faster than you.

[cyan flame]

True, but the dodge is to get you away from the attack, then run along and hide/escape somehow.

[dreamy wharf]

And those things that are faster than you are your main predators.

[cyan flame]

So you'll juke until you reach the forest or whatever escape route you have, just as you would with a speed boost

[dreamy wharf]

Well yeah, it's in such a way that it isn't really meant for simply escaping, it's just for some short temporary distance until you make it into a forest.

[dense wagon]

the main reason i want iframes is because the speed of the dryo dodge could potentially fuck up hitboxes
iframes would prevent that

[dreamy wharf]

Anything beyond 2 seconds of additional speed, I feel, would just make it as a speed boost mechanic primarily, which isn't what we want.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough Zann. And yeah, don't want it to be for speed, but for juking so that's true. And I don't know Silver, that's possible, not sure how it works so.

[paper oriole]

what would micro eat

even compy would probably body him

tbh they'd be better off fixing up velo and letting him be a climber+glider

[nova anchor]

micro too small

[paper oriole]

yeah lol he's like the size of a parrot

[plucky ridge]

Ah I didn’t realize how small the microrator was. He can be ai then. 😅

[paper oriole]

yeah that dude would starve unless they added a shit ton of insects for it to eat which probably wouldn't be worth it for one animal

velo can work as semi-arboreal if they want some small predator in the trees, and its current niche be replaced by balaur or something which is much more of a brawler than velo but that's also unnecessary lol

[eternal owl]

You can change it from Micrraptor to Changyuraptor. Pretty similar, but bigger.

[sonic cloud]

You act as though velociraptor even has a niche to replace

[paper oriole]

True lmao he's just “small predator” atm

[vagrant lagoon]

@inner hound
hi. Thing if all zones wanted to be compound on one map then tundra/icy zones should not touch sea, it should be mountain zone.
For example it could be something like mini Peru. So there should be some kind of single mountin chain, colder in the higher zones. Also it would be interesting to have some open areas, like artificial deserts. On the south mangrove forest could be added.
The previous map incarnations feels was looking more realistics.

[hybrid matrix]

yoooo that moon idea is awesome and i need to just repeat how awesome it is
thats awesome
thats awesome
thats awesome
thats awesome

thats awesome

thats awesome

thats awesome

thats awesome
thats awesome
thats awesome

there, done

[inner hound]

Icy Beaches exist tho, with ice drifting off into the ocean.
then again im not going for realism, but rather for intresting gameplay and style

[hybrid matrix]

@devout sun yes
very good suggestion
very very good
👍

[devout sun]

Glad to hear! If anyone has anything to say about how Rex should be balanced, please tell me (I would have said this in the suggestion but I reached the character limit in my rant )

I wanted it to be nerfed really, but realistically rex is just flat out powerful.

Speed is really the only problem I had with it, and implementing it's ridiculous sniff shnoff to balance that out

[safe galleon]

not sure how I like the 1 shot head bite part

[devout sun]

I mean, it makes sense

and it makes it skill based as well, good aim

good reward

[paper geyser]

realism-wise sure make rex a onehit machine, but balancing-wise i dont think one shots are very good

[devout sun]

You have many escape options

[hybrid matrix]

roses are red, drinks go in the cooler,
life is cruel, but t rex is crueler

[safe galleon]

feels very cheap if you're winning a 1v1 against a rex and then out of nowhere they hit 1 lucky bite and you just die without a chance of escape

[devout sun]

well it wouldn't be lucky if done right

[paper geyser]

getting a lucky head bite removes all skill from a fight and is essentially a free ticket to end the opponent

[devout sun]

if hitboxes are actually normal, it's aim more than luck

[paper geyser]

hitboxes will never be perfect enough for one shots to be warranted

[safe galleon]

balance and gameplay > realism

[devout sun]

I agree

[merry roost]

man people dont like my suggestion

[devout sun]

What about things with even stronger bites though

like deino

when I deino snaps them chompers around your neck

you should die xD

[hybrid matrix]

although, tbh it should probably be like a pounce ability where it grabs the opponent by the neck and has to do a quicktime event or smthn or maybe a buttonmash and then if it succeeds its a kill, but if it doesnt then it loses a ton of stamina

[paper geyser]

deino should also not be a one shot, which is dumb, but balancing is a thing

[devout sun]

I do agree that it may cause some issues

[paper geyser]

you cant just have deino one shot anything that goes near water, that just wouldnt work

[merry roost]

d a m yea people do not like it

[devout sun]

So to balance out the realism, deino doesn't one shot

it grabs

[safe galleon]

deino 1 shots brachi

[devout sun]

drags

and rolls

but with rex

what you do

[paper geyser]

break its ankles

[devout sun]

with a headshot?

[merry roost]

n0 brachy to thicc for that

wait no actualy you rite

[devout sun]

I agree that 1SK headshots are pretty lame

but what's the reward for a headshot

[paper geyser]

high damage

[safe galleon]

instead of having it do a 1 shot it could instead affect the person bite damage by giving them a broken jaw, but dont completely remove their bite as that would also be extremely annoying

[merry roost]

if a brachy goes for water a dieno can go for the head it can have a chance at deleting a brachy

[paper geyser]

anything that immediately ends a battle or permanently cripples an enemy should not be added imo, other than bone breaking ofc

[devout sun]

So a rex would have to choose between going for the hips and legs from the side for an easy kill, or go for the head and risk getting hurt for high damage

then FACING the rex is a good idea

since you may still be able to get away

[paper geyser]

completely depends on the prey

[devout sun]

indeed

Ya got a point here though

and honestly

So a rex would have to choose between going for the hips and legs from the side for an easy kill, or go for the head and risk getting hurt for high damage
this is better

than 1SK 100% of time

I'll probably edit the suggestion to include this instead

[merry roost]

imagine a being able to grapple with a rex and wrestle lets say a sub brachy to the floor

like biting the base of its neck and overpowering it down

[paper geyser]

acro slam

i want acro slam

[merry roost]

you think they gonna have it so carnivores can rip meat chunks from adult brachys?

[worn pumice]

the only exception for rex going for the head is trike

[merry roost]

once its in?

[merry roost]

anything with armor at that

[worn pumice]

yea anky, trike, etc those types of animals

[devout sun]

wym acro slam

[merry roost]

anky would be one hell of a matchup

[devout sun]

like acro slams it's head into something

[paper geyser]

acro bites something and then fucking bodies it

[devout sun]

ah yes

a grapple sorta thing

[paper geyser]

if we're getting this chonk acro then it better have a slam

[merry roost]

yea

kinda like what i mentioned

[devout sun]

I mean what

[worn pumice]

acro is an absolute chonk this time

[paper geyser]

biglo

[devout sun]

biglo

yes

[paper geyser]

i also want biglo

but the original biglo

[merry roost]

#acroIsSoChunkyItsGiga2.0

[paper geyser]

not your allo crap

big dilo

[devout sun]

yeah what they gonna do about that lol

giga and acro

they are different enough honestly

[paper geyser]

acro so chonk it can take all 3 apexes at once

[merry roost]

ima wait for the model before i assume more than what i already said

[devout sun]

pretty sure it's smaller than giga

but with that super strange model with dumb proportions

[merry roost]

but i do want to see animals with longer forelimbs be able to wrestle down other dinosuars

[devout sun]

it's head is probably bigger for some reason

[paper geyser]

that acro looks massive, thats the whole joke

its gotta get those proportions fixed or it'll become the 4th terrestrial apex

[devout sun]

legit the head on that concept is like 1.8 times bigger than it should be xD

acro is like giga

fast heavyweight

but more fast less heavyweight

not by that much though*

[devout sun]

yeah dafuq is that XD

[paper geyser]

so big

[hybrid matrix]

guys i have an idea for a modification to viper's idea

[merry roost]

still looks cool tho ngl

[barren zephyr]

Can't they just make the giga and acro similar to the allo

[paper geyser]

my only issue is the size and the neck, other than that its alright

[barren zephyr]

I mean they're cousins, so it makes sense to have them be similar to eachother in terms of general style.

[devout sun]

allo is farther from them both

they aren't the same really

acro is closer to allo

giga is different

[merry roost]

acro did live with one of the more larger sauropods to counter

[devout sun]

acro and allo I believe both did like the axe-head thing

[merry roost]

n0

[devout sun]

or was that just allo?

I can't remember

[hybrid matrix]

just allo i think

[merry roost]

thats been already dismantled

[devout sun]

yeah I might be wrong

[barren zephyr]

The axe head hypothesis is disproven

[devout sun]

oh really?

[merry roost]

yea

[worn pumice]

axe head thing has been broken down

[devout sun]

intemeresting

[hybrid matrix]

oh i didnt kno about that

[devout sun]

im sorry for spewing outdated stuff then o.O

[barren zephyr]

They would have just inflicted multiple bites to the neck, like big cats

[devout sun]

same bite force as one too

[barren zephyr]

In case of the allo, it may have even wrestled down young sauropods in packs.

[devout sun]

unless that's disproven too or smth idk

[paper geyser]

werent their teeth perfect for shredding?

[hybrid matrix]

guys do u like my idea?

[paper geyser]

like shredding essential blood vessels for example

[devout sun]

allo packs were scary strong

[merry roost]

i want to see a acro grab the base of a subad brachy using its jawsand arms and just wrestle it to the floor

[barren zephyr]

Yes, they're serrated, and on both sides

Like with sharks

[devout sun]

^

[paper geyser]

so whats the leading hypothesis on what they did with those teeth

[hybrid matrix]

like tiger sharks on land?

[devout sun]

Charcharodontosaurus my friend

"Shark tooth lizard"

xD

[merry roost]

#GiveAcroPounceForSuaropods

[devout sun]

yeah most of those dinos

acro giga charchar

very serrated teeth

[merry roost]

i remeber somthing about ripping flesh chunks off large suaropods

[barren zephyr]

Carcharodontosaurus itself means "shark (or Carcharodon) toothed lizard", in reference to the serrated teeth

Which are like those of Carcharodon, or the great white shark

[worn pumice]

anyone remember that documentary where spino was like godzilla? think it was called monsters ressurected

[hybrid matrix]

I MUST SEE

I MUST

[barren zephyr]

Ye

[devout sun]

XD

[merry roost]

OH

[hybrid matrix]

I CANNOT DIE HAPPY UNTIL I HAVE SEEN THIS TRASH

[merry roost]

JESUS

no

its

[devout sun]

Sure the isle's spino isn't realistic but honestly

the hippo thing isn't that bad

[worn pumice]

https://youtu.be/t5LOG2sZu1A

[merry roost]

screaming

[devout sun]

[worn pumice]

probably one of the worst things ive ever seen lol

[merry roost]

that poor sarcho at the start

[hybrid matrix]

u kno that weird mobile game spino model? thats wut TI spino looks like but a better version that doesnt look like it was made by a middleschooler

[worn pumice]

can we talk about how spino is like 5 times bigger then chara lmao

[hybrid matrix]

1 sec

[worn pumice]

idk who made this doc but they need to question life

[merry roost]

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

its somewhere in this video, but once u find it u'll see wut i mean lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBD-cPMDfLc

i like how the movie starts with, "its the biggest, baddest, WeIrDeSt dinosaur" XD

[hybrid matrix]

YES
THAT

THAT IS WUT I MEAN

THAT IS TI SPINO IS TI WAS A SHITTY MOBILE GAME!

[devout sun]

I need a gif of that thing walking

please

someone find it

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[merry roost]

give me some chedder and ill do it

[hybrid matrix]

XDDD

[devout sun]

dw I got it

im earning my cookie today

[hybrid matrix]

: D

YES

GIVE

NOW

[devout sun]

It takes a sec

[hybrid matrix]

the motion in that animated emoji, its strangely familiar....
no, it cant be....
it looks like the troodon is ducking that hypsi's brains out

[merry roost]

alr brb gimme 10 minutes

[devout sun]

Got it

[hybrid matrix]

YES

[devout sun]

wait no

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

that aint no gif

[devout sun]

I did it wrong XD

[hybrid matrix]

u must die

[hybrid matrix]

: D

[merry roost]

alr throwing it into davinchi resolve

[devout sun]

ok fr now

wait a second

heh

HAH

HAHA

[devout sun]

Why are they so similar lmao

[hybrid matrix]

bc, they arent similar, theyre the same

TI spino is just a higher quality version of the mobile game one

i just had the greates idea ever

[devout sun]

Perhaps try to keep this as feedback discussion honestly

[hybrid matrix]

make a gif of the TI spino walking the way the mobile game spino does

[hybrid matrix]

good idea, #401470471750811669 or #401464048610312195?

[merry roost]

lets go to offtopic

[hybrid matrix]

ok

[barren zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745048411417346120/779055571319914586/image0.gif

[paper oriole]

Wtf kind of gameplay is that if something pulls your leg off youre just better off dying anyway

Thats just prolonging the death process and would probably be abused by assholes ripping peoples limbs off and leaving them instead of eating them

Imagine all the limbless suffering magies

[paper oriole]

Prestosuchus >>>>> Kaprosuchus

[barren zephyr]

yes

[paper oriole]

Good boy

[barren zephyr]

what about saurosuchus or postosuchus

well posto is a biped

[paper oriole]

Posto is dmaller than presto and sauro

But presto is just better because meme

Mechanic/niche wise i doubt sauro and presto would really be any different

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[barren zephyr]

What

[violet arrow]

@fervent atlas I must say, A proposed swap could work. Given that the entire update centers around Oviraptor/nesting, it's not unreasonable to see a very maternal dinosaur come out alongside it. (Plus I'm a huge fan of the Para so it's a win-win situation lol)

[fervent atlas]

c:

[paper oriole]

Para can come after utah pounce is fixed or it is pointless to grow one lol

[fervent atlas]

@pure eagle The reason they arent adding back Beipi or Sucho is because they are already adding 3 totally new mechanics. Fishing, Flying, and swimming. I asked felipe the same thing and he said they want theire main focus on making those right rather than adding more land dinos

[pure eagle]

thanks

[west spindle]

a

[paper oriole]

What purpose would lepto serve exactly

He's just pint sized ptera

[idle ibex]

Probably ai food for ptera, that can run away by flying.

I’d imagine it could fly away holding one of them, since it wasn’t really big

[paper oriole]

Ptera already has plenty of food without mister sandpiper ptero though, as he can hunt small tier juvies, fish, gore and probably frogs if we get them

[keen vapor]

@edgy hamlet i would much rather have progression as given in update 4 than diets, posion and 2 new dinos. + the diet system builds onto the perk system so it would be best to properly test the perk system before more gets added to it.

update 4 will most likely add elders which can serve as lifetime perks once they die of age.

[edgy hamlet]

punch said they dont consider adding back progression yesterday

[edgy hamlet]

also the elder system builds on a good diet, so it wouldnt make sense adding it in first

[idle ibex]

Perk for swimming up and down as a terrestrial then?

[hybrid matrix]

i imagine that perk would be the debuff of cramps from being so cold

[barren zephyr]

@loud crow didn't they say they were changing the rate for the water and food drain in an announcement? I could've sworn I saw it somewhere. This is a placeholder timer, I think, until they change it

[valid zephyr]

@north sapphire Devs have already said no.

[ebon crypt]

The crocodile tail is one of the best things about the new model. Baby spinos? Perhaps. But adults I'd prefer for the stronk croc tail to stay

[north sapphire]

good to know I just deleted the message

[valid zephyr]

Short legs and tadpole tail for juvies. As they grow they turn into isle spino.

Frog niche.

[north sapphire]

i like the skin sack on the neck that wobbles

[ebon crypt]

I'd prefer for them to keep the short legs tbh, but oh well. Devs said long legs cuz slow gameplay boring

[valid zephyr]

Even anky being modified to run. Let alone spino. Nothing allowed to be slow apparently.

[edgy hamlet]

theres enough people that like the slow gameplay style :/

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, I don't like this trend of lighting fast dinosaurs in evrima. Huge map, I get it, but not all creatures are meant to traverse the entire fucking map

[north sapphire]

yes that makes sense but i think they should have a sucho or something as the spino rn
and add the spino with smol legs and tail fluke when they add aquatic stuff

[flint root]

RIP Legacy, the legacy version is getting worse everyday since the update for it came, its getting us more and heavier lagg spikes everyday on each server. Its embarrssing that you guys made a broken alpha version even more broken. Get Good

Mmmmm yes I shall tell these cringe devs to "get good" ooh yeah thatll teach em for trying to fix their game. Now i can screenshot this and get that sweet sweet karma on r/theisle

[severe idol]

A valuable piece of feedback.

[flint root]

My team of analyists are still determining if that post was satire

[edgy hamlet]

if its not i- i loose faith in humanity

[flint root]

Theres a 73% chance that that post was satire. That was the only thing they've said on the server and copy pasted it in #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[barren zephyr]

There's kids like that all over the isle, not uncommon to see these days

[real kraken]

@barren zephyr They have the water mark to stop company's using it as promotional material for their game/work

[barren zephyr]

The fuck

Who does that?

[hot spear]

Imagine asking artists to take their watermark off of their work

[paper geyser]

a lot of people

watermarks are needed, but maybe a smaller one

[keen vapor]

yea i guess, but i really really hope they add progression in the isle. It is something that the game has needed all along imo and it would be a hude disapointment to cancel it.

[hot spear]

When you say progression, are you referring to the old progression system?

[loud crow]

@barren zephyr oh well that makes sense im sure they will balance alot still.👍

[keen vapor]

im refering to the tier progression and elder milestones

[ebon crypt]

Novaraptor Dondii sounds like Crocodile Dundee, but instead of crocodiles, it's dinosaurs. Good suggestion though

[white spruce]

I unironically would love a rename

[barren zephyr]

meme time

[valid zephyr]

Renames make sense tbh. They're fictional horror animals not really resembling real dinosaurs.

[ebon crypt]

There was a suggestion before (From Emily, I believe) saying that the utah should be renamed to apolloraptor, which is also a good name imo

[dense wagon]

technically it would mean thief, since that's what raptor translates to

dondi's new thief

[dense wagon]

@fallen raven #merch-discussion if you have an issue with merch

[paper geyser]

@thorny lynx accurate spino wouldnt be good for what isle spino is supposed to be

accurate spino works in its own environment, but it does not work in an alien environment with apexes that could kill it in an instant

isle spino is what had to be done for it to be viable without looking ridiculous

[timber oyster]

why don't just give it another niche?

[ebon crypt]

I mean, they could've went in a different direction for spino. The tadpole tail is excusable cause it wasn't discovered yet and the croc tail is awesome, but the long legs and relatively small sail is kinda ew

[timber oyster]

making it bulkier and faster in water so it can escape easily

i mean, the terrestrial carivore niche is pretty full with gigas, rexes, acros etc

[paper geyser]

isle spino does have a slight paddle tail anyway, my only gripe is the skull and long legs but like i said that might be an issue. I cant imagine a short legged spino fighting off a rex or a giga

[thorny lynx]

I honestly do not care about the backlash from my Spino feedback. I needed to say this.

[valid zephyr]

@thorny lynx The newt tail on spino wasn't even discovered when we got the model. And the short legs were still disputed by many back then.

[ebon crypt]

Like, they could've made spino a bulky and sturdy apex that utilizes CC as its main defense and offence, but nope.

[low dock]

@dense wagon Which alberto concept is taps, i havent seen it yet i don't think.

[thorny lynx]

While you are correct, I still feel there is no excuse for dinosaurs like Anky with its entire skeleton deformed, Alberto with its dented skull and chunky legs, Acro with an incredibly short neck, Austro with its thin neck and extra long snout...

[paper geyser]

that wasnt your complaint though

you spoke about spino

i also dislike a lot of the fictionalisation done in the concepts

[ebon crypt]

Spino is slightly excusable due to it commonly being monstrified, the other designs (like anky, austro, ect.) are not. But the topic was about spino

[valid zephyr]

Yeah all those ones look pretty bad.

I don't mind fictionalisation, but fictionalisation doesn't garuntee it looking good.

[paper oriole]

Is spino really excusable when we already have two other terrestrial apex predators

Why make spino more terrestrial

[thorny lynx]

I did speak about Spino, yes, but it was mainly a rant on how devs are adding all these new niches and mechanics and biological alterations to dinosaurs who had nothing to do with them. It is one thing to maybe add a few new spikes or make arms a bit more beefy, but to change the entire skeletal structure is just...

[ebon crypt]

I said slightly. Doesn't mean I like it

[barren zephyr]

Bruh are you begging for realism in a game that is clearly not trying to be realistic?

[valid zephyr]

Because 99% of people picture JP3 rex killer when they hear spino mentioned.

[thorny lynx]

You would think the apex fisher would be...

Could it be?

Should it be?

PRIMARILY AQUATIC.

[paper geyser]

i agree, there's a line that often times shouldn't be crossed during fictionalisation. It is science fiction after all

[dense wagon]

@low dock https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/773690631926710312/Alberto.png

[paper oriole]

It's just big bary with a little sail now

[dense wagon]

it really does look like an elder

[low dock]

Im probably wrong but isn't that Freds?

[ebon crypt]

Wasn't the alberto and acro made by Fred?

[dense wagon]

really? oh then i need to change that

[barren zephyr]

I don't exactly see what the problem is with the evrima spino model

[thorny lynx]

Look how thin the legs are. This thing was made to run.

[paper geyser]

it isnt accurate, and some people wouldve preferred an accurate spino

[thorny lynx]

Our dinosaurs also have grossly-oversized heads for some reason.

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, Fred's usually the one who cleans up and colors his concepts in different shades of gray

[barren zephyr]

but it's a game that has clearly established realism is not a big priority?

isn't it?

[dense wagon]

the isle is very.. inconsistent in terms of realism

[paper geyser]

so? It's still grounded by realism a lot of the time and people are allowed to have opinions

[ebon crypt]

We don't want hard paleo realism, we want proper proportions at least.

[barren zephyr]

I mean you're entitled to your opinion

[civic carbon]

sometimes the malformation of an animals anatomy is a bit questionable

cough anky cough

[barren zephyr]

I'm just a gamer so... yea I'm not gonna try

[ebon crypt]

Or at least consistency in the stylization

[paper geyser]

this, at the very least we'd like animals to keep correct proportions and unaltered skeletons

[paper oriole]

Doesnt need total realism, but long leg spino is gross

[ebon crypt]

Stubby spino all the way

[paper geyser]

tap's concept 😩

[dense wagon]

they want JP3 spino for the moolah

[paper geyser]

it makes me miss something we never got 😩

[paper oriole]

Yeah if only this is the spino we got ):

[dense wagon]

give short leg flat tail spino

[paper geyser]

tap's concept is honestly a dream, i really hope we get something like it some day

[paper oriole]

JP spino is a hideous mess it isnt even redeemable for mostalgia points

[barren zephyr]

imo I like evrima spino, but you can enjoy I'm not even gonna try with paleontological stuff, not my thing

[paper geyser]

its a perfect mix of fictionalisation and realism, and i fucking love it

[barren zephyr]

now clue what is anything when it comes to paleontology

*no not now

[rare axle]

THE TEETH

[ebon crypt]

I will admit, the new spino is definitely an upgrade from legacy goose spino

In terms of model

[paper geyser]

definitely

ahem, to quote an old friend

"It's an improvement, but it's not hard to improve on garbage" kay this was a little bit too harsh but you get my point

[barren zephyr]

I just think you guys are being a bit harsh that's all

[paper geyser]

we're just giving opinions

i dont mind the current model i'd just prefer an accurate one

[thorny lynx]

I wish we would deviate from Jurassic Park. I miss how unique Rex's old broadcast was... not an elephant screeching into a blender like we have right now.

[barren zephyr]

i never got to hear the old rex broadcast

[ebon crypt]

I don't think it's harsh to want proper representation of some dinos when the game is marketed as a dinosaur game. (well survival horror, but it still uses the dinosaur tag on steam). Again, proper proportions at least, please

[barren zephyr]

I only got the isle at around v2

[thorny lynx]

I qot chu fam hold on

[paper oriole]

Some of their fictional designs like beipi and tenonto work really well, i just wish they'd jump pff the JP obsession with utah, rex, spino and stop trying to turn dinos into mammals

[paper geyser]

i only got the isle a few months ago, im actually really new

[thorny lynx]

https://youtu.be/vD7yGupdFaI

0:52

[barren zephyr]

ohhh that's actually cool

[dense wagon]

It's actually pretty twisted to alter a creature and call it the same animal as what it once was when you think about it
thats like giving a lion spots and calling it a cheetah. not the same

[paper geyser]

oouf i kinda hate that one, seems way less menacing than the JP-inspired one if im being honest

[barren zephyr]

I think the old rex sounds better tbh

[devout sun]

only one that's better now is 3 call honestly

[barren zephyr]

after one listen it sounds unique and spooly

[devout sun]

old broadcast is so much better

[paper geyser]

but i guess im biased because JP roar is pretty awesome imo

[ebon crypt]

I think I might need to make another criticism on the Isle's designs during winter break. At this point, I feel like I should just make this a series, but I believe that I have a good comparison to get the point across of when fictionalization works and doesn't

[dense wagon]

underwhelming. i prefer legacy sounds

[devout sun]

oh lord the old extinct screen

xD

[barren zephyr]

you r D E D

I bought it in time to see at least that glorious masterpiece

[thorny lynx]

https://youtu.be/StRBXsglLbQ

1:09. Pay attention to how Rex behaves when he tries to intimidate. He takes a step forward and screams in your face. Not this dumb tippy toe dance he does in legacy rn. You cannot see it, but he opens his mouth REALLY wide and blasts at you. When you are tiny, this would scare the shit out of you.

[dense wagon]

the call is underwhelming but the animation is alot better

[devout sun]

Agreed

[thorny lynx]

It was more of a short "FUCK OFF" than anything but it was effective.

[dense wagon]

I'd prefer something like legacy threaten, with a more intimidating animation like this
but i have to say, the legacy threaten is kind of slow and sounds more like an altered broadcast if anything

it needs to be faster with an animation like this

[thorny lynx]

I kind of wish Rex actually had vocals and not modified whale song. Just a... "RRREOOAAAARRRGH! RAAAAARGH! GRRRRROOOAR!"

Not... not...

Rheeeeeee

Rrreeeerrrr

[ebon crypt]

Why is that so funny in text form

[dense wagon]

reoooarrgh raaargh reeeeer

[thorny lynx]

I do not know why but I love the old 3 calls.

REERERERRGHHHARRRGH! BRRRRRARRRGH!

It sounded like he was giving his all at you. When Rex 3 calls, to me, it sounds infused with the anger of a father protecting his little girl.

[barren zephyr]

pepe the rex new meme pog!!11!???

RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAARGH

[edgy harbor]

Pesky, part of the enjoyment I get from playing TI is the, primal, little information given feeling to it. I've talked about this before with someone else and I stick to my guns when I say that's not how I want the Isle to be. Exact numbers and statistics will probably never happen, for many reasons. But the best one I can think of is it ruins the mystery and excitement. I like being in the dark about how exactly hurt I am. And the Devs have always wanted minimal HUD elements from the beginning. Stamina not so much, it's pretty measurable, but health I never want to see in number form. Hud elements including the character menu

[modern stone]

everyone here nutting over old rex roars

[dense wagon]

one person brought that up

[edgy harbor]

Also if they decided to add a health bar I'd be upsetti 😠

[barren zephyr]

[dense wagon]

we don't need exact health numbers as long as we get more dynamic blood screens with the UI/HUD update, which I bet we will.

[edgy harbor]

Would be good to see a more hud elements that aren't too specific.

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, I wouldn't like to see the old Isle system of being able to tell your exact health to come back. Constant numbers shouldn't be running through your head when in a survival situation. It just ruins the immersion a bit when you think "this creature does 300 damage and no bleed. I have 312 health left, so I can survive a hit with 12 health left!" Better UI and a clearer blood screen is the better solution imo

[neat hamlet]

@ebon crypt Maybe not the numbers, but I would personally like to see "Serious" or "Critical" at the bottom again

Usually a good indication if things were going south or if the wounds were minor

Without being 100% exact

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, character status reports would be neat to get in evrima

[glossy matrix]

Anky is only the way it is because of bryan

he found short legs hard to animate

so i wonder

why did they fuck anky

instead of just hiring a new animator

hell, even just commissioning an anim set for anky

[barren zephyr]

I don't think it's baaad

the new anky seems ok-ish

Then again, I'm not a die hard og so I never had the memories that you guys did with the old anky

[ebon crypt]

I just don't understand why they had to break its back and make it so skinny

[barren zephyr]

it's back is broken?

hol up lemme find it

[ebon crypt]

Yes, it has a very clear dent in it. Looks like it got bonked

[barren zephyr]

where?

ohhh on the very back I see it now

well now I can't unsee it

[ebon crypt]

It's more clear in the concept art

[barren zephyr]

this is going to be an r/TiHi

but it's an early model so maybe they might change it

[lilac swallow]

Not to mention even the more anky parts like the tail arent even anky's, its a zuul's tail
More than rhino anky this is a rhino zuul

[ebon crypt]

Doubt it

They literally just remodeled it

[barren zephyr]

zuul as in the dinosaur or the ghostbusters monster

[lilac swallow]

Dino

[barren zephyr]

ah k

well i do see the resemblance

that middle back plate keeps looking worse teh more I look at it

oh no

that's cursed

[lilac swallow]

Thats why i dont look at it

[ebon crypt]

The zuul inspired tail is alright, the sleeve armor is a neat feature, though I wish they were less pronounced. Like, if they wanted an ankylosaur that could run, why not choose something that isn't anky?

[barren zephyr]

I am now traumatized from looking at the middle back plate too long

[lilac swallow]

I mean, i wouldnt mind the zuul tail if the rest of the animal was an anky

[ebon crypt]

If anky needed a complete overhaul, why not choose a different ankylosaurid that fits the intended playstyle better?

They didn't need to go with the ankylosaurus if they weren't going to make it the ankylosaurus

[lilac swallow]

Same wmthing with both cera and magy if they are getting the Teno treatment as im fearing

[barren zephyr]

I think they needed a more well known character

but idk it does seem like a better idea to scrap anky entirely

and put in something else anky-like

[ebon crypt]

Anky is more marketable, yes, but is still a shit reason

[lilac swallow]

To put an example, rhino anky would be like adding Darth Vader to a Game, but with a White armor and no helmet, at this point the only reason its Vader is because It has the name

[ebon crypt]

Just make anky an ankylosaurus and add a different ankylosaurid for the runner niche

[barren zephyr]

well yea I can see where you're coming from

makes sense as to why there's issues with it

[lilac swallow]

The saddest part is that, before envrima, during 4 whole years we had fairly good and accurate models, except for Utah, and the Monster desygns were reserved for strains, now suddenly even vanilla dinos are getting the Monster desygns

But they are making It like "It allways was like this"

[ebon crypt]

If they want to change course, then alright, but please tell us that. Don't want to do dinosaurs anymore? Then say it and take the dinosaur tag off of the steam listing

[lilac swallow]

Exactly

But tbh, i feel kinda scamed

[wild stone]

[barren zephyr]

[lilac swallow]

Only reason i bought the Game 4 years ago was because i could play as dinos, i had several games to play as fictional monsters

[barren zephyr]

I guess I just like the new ones cause I'm new or something lol

[lilac swallow]

I mean, nothing wrong in prefering the new models

[barren zephyr]

I only got to see a little of the old isle

remember when austro could pounce

[lilac swallow]

I played even before progression existed, there was only sandbox

[barren zephyr]

that was a time?

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

Only sandbox and 3 carnis and 3 herbis

[barren zephyr]

oh yea you picked of off a horizontal list if I remember correctly

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

the herbis where trike theri and a few other somethings when I bought it

I think dryo was out by the time I got it

I bought the game berfore progression, but I had to get a new computer and there the game sat for a few months until I discovered it again

but progression was shit imo

wait 2 entire hours to play as a low tier carnivore?

and then wait another 10 to get the one you want?

lol no thanks