@frail shuttle
#general-feedback-discussion
indigo sun
honest sparrow
^
indigo sun
Also, fucking ew, prehistoric wildlife
strange wave
@frail shuttle number one ^ and number two haast eagle is infinitely better
vast wolf
fuck birds in a dinosaur game.
frail shuttle
Personally i believe that argentavis could be a pretty good rival to the Quetz, and or any small carnivorous dinosaurs.
strange wave
i guess no dinosaurs then @vast wolf
indigo sun
General tip, honestly, avoid any size charts that have that whole gradient thing going on
vast wolf
birds are dinosaurs dinosaurs arent birds.
birds evolved from dinosaurs not the other way around.
strange wave
so... the "dinosaurs" are allowed
vast wolf
indigo sun
You gotta put that in your suggestion, sayin it here aint gonna do anything
strange wave
frail shuttle
well, hypsi and Ovi are birds or dinos that have feathers, i guess they aren't allowed.
strange wave
i personally am just fucking with you
vast wolf
i can tell.
strange wave
idk what moth is doing
vast wolf
im never in the mood to be fucked with. my brain dosent function properly.
argentavis is like pela a waste of time money and space in this game.
vast wolf
covert birch
Argentavis would be cool n all
But quetz would prolly spear the fucker
vast wolf
organized chaos is my element.
covert birch
plus argentavis was much closer to hunting styles of hatze
terrorizes small things on land after landing
Ofc ya can go the fictional route
But imo the best bird thin to pick would be haasts eagle
Who could take on shit galli sized while tiny via tackling from the air
vast wolf
awaiting the essay moth is typing.
frail shuttle
well, I thought it could function as a scavenger, feasting on rotting corpses that other dinos couldn't eat, and also have the ability to spit its stomach acid to scare off other dinos, kinda like hypsi but much larger and more carnivorous.
vast wolf
azacharids are already better suited to the vulture role than a large eagle.
covert birch
So
vast wolf
90% of birds have horrible senses of smell.
covert birch
Imo a much better 2 choices would be
Giant vulture quetz and land boi terrorizer hatze
vast wolf
quetz is legit just a large stork/vulture.
frail shuttle
well it can escape a lot easier than the Quetz thanks to its muscular legs.
frail shuttle
yes
covert birch
Quetz would be a much more effective escapee on land then argenta
vast wolf
covert birch
Pterosaurs were much better flyers ngl
wise warren
Idk if this has already been posted but..
covert birch
yes it was
vast wolf
azacharids were built to launch even easier than other pterosaurs.
covert birch
Yes since they had massive arms
But yea imo it can be done like this
Quetz: Great glider, great sniff when flying it would get that lil compass at the top and if ya sniff ya get red dots in the direction of food on the compass, can eat rotten gores, vomit thing when on land, if ya eat a rotten gore last with the vomit thing your bile is more effective
Hatze: practically a carni giraffe with flight as a side option, land focused animal who uses gliding as its form of travel, has both a peck and bite attack each dealing diff lvls of bleed n such,
frail shuttle
but unlike Quetz it only used both of limbs to fly in the air, argentavis only had to use two legs to jump and allow the wind to do its work.
vast wolf
cough thermals.
covert birch
Im confused as to what your saying moth
vast wolf
large birds have issues with getting into the air.
covert birch
Both animals coult take off fairly quickly
vast wolf
it would take a lot of energy for both to gain altitude without thermals.
frail shuttle
at this point i just lost the argument.
sounds pretty good.
also i find it pretty boring with having both hatz and quetz because they are both the same thing.
covert birch
They are somewhat similar
But there are still some distinct differences such as how fat the animals are n their beaks
vast wolf
it might not be both. will probably be one or the other.
covert birch
Prolly
but both can work imo
Make one hte aggressive land hunter make the other a massive vulture
frail shuttle
so what, playing two of the same thing.
because that's how i'm seeing it. that one has a slimmer beak, and the other has a fatter crest.
covert birch
I mean, you can easily say that bout giga and rex
oro and hypsi
etc
like all pterosaurs look the same except for their head and size, not much else to say
Tupandactylus is literally ptera but iwth a large crest, people still want it
Hazte and quetz are two popular animals people want
etc
Saying X looks exactly like Y when it applies to many other animals ingame and ones that are wanted doesnt apply imo
frail shuttle
well at last hypsi has a way of defending its self, and also has better aesthetic features, and the rex is tankyer than the giga in terms of strength and durability, whilst giga is more built for speed and bleed
honest sparrow
Hypsi is oro with a coat of paint
covert birch
" and the rex is tankyer than the giga in terms of strength and durability, whilst giga is more built for speed and bleed"
And you can literally do something like this with hazteg and quetz as i explained above
honest sparrow
But yeah appearance shouldn’t determine what makes it in, gameplay should
covert birch
^
honest sparrow
Yut doesn’t look too much like allo, but it would function similarly
And while rugops looks like carno, it could function differently
covert birch
you can go down a list of many unique looking animals who are pratically clones of eachother ingame
strange wave
c:
frail shuttle
well hey, i was hoping to add more variety to the isle other than just more pterodactylus.
covert birch
I mean
pterosaurs fits the game much better than birds
even i want a bird ingame, but i doubt itll ever happen
honest sparrow
Pela is like soft confirmed, but people don’t like that so shhhhh
covert birch
Like pela is the only exception, and that seems like its something thatll only happen in an oceanic type expansion
frail shuttle
well, why are megalania and titanoboa both announced for the future then?
covert birch
What
How do they apply
aesthetically megalania and titano fit much more then a bird imo
frail shuttle
then is hypsi added in then, because to me it looks alot like a bird to me.
icy lion
????
covert birch
Ok, so think of it like this
Hypsi is an animal intended to be mainly ai
Compared to something like argen
also the only reason they made hypsi of that manner was to not make it literally look like another oro/dryo juvi
frail shuttle
?
honest sparrow
Oro has proto feathers, dryo is scaly, so the only way to distinguish hypsi was to make it look more bird like
covert birch
Whats with the ?
If hypsi didnt go the route of being inspired by the king of saxnony
it would look just like oro or dryo
Literally barely any differences existed there without that fictionalization
icy lion
its a juvi oro sized dryo
covert birch
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/a8/13/3ca813d5f49f2f8c6aa5c5db92433e09.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/84/fc/db84fc10a97fef9c5caa6e338ad57e42.jpg
One is hypsi and one is oro
They are the same animal without hte whole feather thing
at least using the appearence argument
Playstyle wise they are well both practically living ai
frail shuttle
alright fine you win the argument.
wraith breach
@covert birch that pic of 2 quetz u shared above. have are different. like t rex / spino. one has thin beak other has wider
indigo sun
That was a photo of quetz and hatze, theyre meant to look a little different
vast wolf
@stable carbon there's already an option to set your head to a static forward position in settings.
sorry for the ping btw.
stable carbon
(No worries). That’s why I said my suggestion was like an “evolved” version of a feature we already have because I was referring to that feature. EXCEPT, there’s a huge difference— instead of looking only straight ahead in a static forward position, you would be able to change the position/angle of the head of your dino and lock it in that new position.
left nacelle
This would be client side only like the current setting, right? So only you would see the head locked in place?
stable carbon
I’m not actually sure? Would you recommend it?
left nacelle
If not, it could be abused. People would make their head face one way to make people think they aren't looking that way
A while ago in The Isle, if you looked straight backwards, your head would face forward. It isn't like that now because of that reason
stable carbon
Oh, that’s a really good point! My bad. Thank you for the info. I didn’t even realize.
left nacelle
No prob. I think that's where the dislikes are coming from
stable carbon
So— when it locks on client side do you think the head tracking would still be enabled from another player’s perspective?
left nacelle
Yeah it would. That's how the current head lock setting works. Other players will see your head moving even if you have that setting turned on
left nacelle
Glad to help!
vestal hound
Oh Pawn I really like that suggestion! And yeah the headlocking only being clientside is a must
stable carbon
Glad to hear it!
left nacelle
@weary hollow It's still work in progress
weary hollow
Yea I understand it is, alongside a lot of other new features. I was just giving input to help with further development, bug fixes, and immersivenesss.
vast wolf
its simply buggy. there's nothing more to say about it. it will become more polished over time.
cobalt compass
@sand dune baby carrying will not be a thing in the near future
chances of abuse is too high
vast wolf
no. the devs dont want it because its just purely abuseable.
pale sorrel
Ok
sand dune
What AB means ?
I just saw some letters on my text so Im wondering what that letters mean.
sand dune
What kind of issues can be done with advanced scars ?
cobalt compass
thats not abuseable
vast wolf
pretty sure that said baby carrying.
vast wolf
eh i got rid of it it had said baby carrying so i stated that its abuseable.
vast wolf
it was 🆎 🇺 🇸 🇪 🇦 🇧 🇱
not without a reasion why they should be added outside of i want it.
sand dune
ok
vast wolf
For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes.
If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over. All constructive criticism is to be discussed in #general-feedback-discussion as this channel is not for feedback or discussion. Troll suggestions will result in the poster kicked from the discord.
sand dune
thats what I actually wanted to say
cobalt compass
better put such in a google doc with 2+ pages with a nice concept
also check pins in varios channel
vast wolf
we dont know what half the new dinos coming will have for unique abilities so id postpone asking for anything until we know how they all work.
cobalt compass
would be a shame if your neat script was just a worse copy of someones elses idea
sand dune
I would never copy someones elses idea
cobalt compass
iam not putting an intention into, but not doing some selfeducational searches is not the best way
so better check pins
iam not holding any creative brains back beyond a wall of MY imagination, but the first look should go through the pins and searchbar if someone else posted a similar idea or the excact
vestal rune
didn't the devs say there would be no locational scarring?
cobalt compass
but it causes heavy traffic for the server
-myself
left nacelle
@mental flower A lot of people are putting ⏲️ on your reaction. ⏲️ usually means it's already coming, but that won't be a thing. Dondi has said that rendering all the scars on every dinosaur would cause a lot of performance issues
You will get wounds from damage tho, but they won't be permanent. They'll go away when they heal like the current scars to
cobalt compass
they could be local, but will disappear when healed off
mental flower
Interesting... What if the battle damage was it's own permanent layer on the models that only appear after X amount of damage? Like how certain colors only appear after reaching a certain age?
That way it's not something that has to be managed on a per dino bases.
That seems very low impact compared to generation of random scars unique to every dino
icy lion
technically thatd still be a per dino basis; age is an inherent part of the game and the models/textures. a layer on top that only appears with a damage check would still be pretty intensive, although not as bad as locational/more specific scarring
cobalt compass
aye, if you run a servercluster and provide streaming service like GeForce Now at your costs... propose it to dondi, otherwise thats unlikely to happen🤷♂️
latent cave
@twin vessel why not? All the systems should be in place, it would fit with the setting and provide a more indepth ecosystem, giving the Deinosuchos more food options well having other things aside from players eat fish
vast wolf
they add nothing as playables.
they are fine as ai but are basically just worse beipiao.
latent cave
You know some of those birds are bigger then many small dinos, they would be worth more food then fish
left nacelle
But why add them? We're already getting a lot of small dinosaurs
mortal kestrel
comp is best small carnivore change my mind
latent cave
1 pelican would be enough food for a Deinosuchos for a while if you are like real crocodile on hunger
left nacelle
The game takes place in modern times anyway, wouldn't really make sense to have prehistoric birds on the island when modern birds already live there
That's not true, @latent cave Deino is huge. A pelican would be nothing
vast wolf
a 40+ ft alligator needs more than a pelican a week to survive.
a chicken is about enough food for one crocodile if its fed every day or every other day.
latent cave
Talking prehistoric pelican, and also the Deinosuchos ingame are not that big
icy lion
theyre pretty damn big
left nacelle
Yeah they are. Deino in The Isle is bigger than Puru
vast wolf
deinosuchus is not deinosucos
latent cave
They are like twice the length of utah ingame being generous
vast wolf
left nacelle
Deino in game is bigger than the bottom one. This has been confirmed
latent cave
Baseing of footage seen from recode
mortal kestrel
i like deino so much
latent cave
You dont knpw what ingame means do you?
vast wolf
utah is 20 ish ft long or about 7 meters
left nacelle
Your basing it's size off footage, we're basing it off things the devs have said
We haven't even seen it at it's full size iirc
vast wolf
in game deino will be upscalled.
icy lion
if by "in game" you mean when dondi streamed, the utah was too big and the deino was gonna get upsized by 15%
left nacelle
^^^
vast wolf
someone get me a nova chart.
icy lion
even if it was only 30ft a bird would be a snack
latent cave
That explains a lot with ingame utah vs austro, they basicly made utah a smallish allo
vast wolf
current game ballance dosent mean anything.
twin vessel
@latent cave bruh why hunt birds when I can just snatch some drinking AI
left nacelle
Utah and austro are like the same height in game, what
vast wolf
austro was last updated 2 years ago.
twin vessel
would be a empty addition
left nacelle
2 years ago they scaled austro up to an accurate size. Now it's as tall as utah
vast wolf
or fish which are better food in every way.
latent cave
State wise austro is still weaker then 1/4 utah
left nacelle
Yeah because they haven't changed it's stats in 2 years
vast wolf
current game ballance means jack shit.
icy lion
yea austros skinny but it still needs a buff
left nacelle
All the sandbox animals haven't been updated in like 2 years at least
vast wolf
austro was last updated to have its model size upscalled by about 20%
that was in 2018
left nacelle
Same with herrera ^^
icy lion
and now herras getting downsized lol
vast wolf
herera got a stat buff after that.
latent cave
Irl austro is same hight at the hip at utahs and possibly taller at head based on neck posture
left nacelle
How does this related to prehistoric birds tho?
latent cave
Anyways prehistoric pelicans could prey on baby denios, and provide food to growing ones till they are big enough to hunt land animals.
vast wolf
thats what fish do already.
left nacelle
But.... small dinosaurs can do the exact same thing
vast wolf
^
icy lion
doesnt the game take place in the 20th century?
vast wolf
beipiao already fills that role to an extent.
icy lion
like... 70s? i never played PC so im not sure
left nacelle
Pretty sure it's the 21st century
left nacelle
Considering The Isle will have modern weapons
vast wolf
i believe its time is the present.
dont quote me but i think its meant to be set in present day.
cobalt compass
iirc TI is set 5-10 years after PC:E
and that "happened" around present day, like the 2020's
left nacelle
Anyway, back to what we were talking about: Pretty much every carnivore smaller than utah and bigger than compy can fit the role Kitsugami suggestion for a prehistoric pelican
vast wolf
beipiao fits the role best tbh.
left nacelle
Yeah, but realistically any small carnivore could fit that. Eat juvy deinos and get eaten by bigger deinos is basically the role they described
vast wolf
that fits more than half the thing in game including fish.
left nacelle
Yeah lol
Plus it would be weird having prehistoric birds when we already have modern birds who are native to the island living there
vast wolf
i can see some big catfish the coelacanth and the muskellunge eating small juvies.
muted fog
Why is group size limits seen as a bad thing?
Like limiting a group of rexes to 3 at max you cant add anymore to you group?
The raptor group can be up to 15.
vast wolf
because the devs are finding ways to do it naturally.
left nacelle
You shouldn't add a barrier like that. Make it a natural thing
muted fog
O
left nacelle
Don't tell people "You can't do this", instead make them not want to do it
livid vector
Suggestion: Just watched a few videos about the new mechanics coming soon, & how some things can’t happen b/c of trolling. But would it be possible to pick up live babies if after 3-5 minutes of holding a baby you start taking damage, and also can’t pick them up again until 15-45 minutes have passed? Just a thought I had.
vast wolf
thats not fun for anyone.
left nacelle
That wouldn't make sense and it would defeat the whole purpose of picking up babies in the first place
livid vector
I’ve been playing utah recently & just thought it would be cool to be able to place a baby up somewhere they can’t jump to themselves if a bigger predator showed up & attacked. Thanks for your opinions though.
left nacelle
In EVRIMA juvys are gonna be a lot faster so they'll be able to survive stuff. And hatchlings shouldn't really leave the nest anyway. Soo imo, picking up babies is kinda useless
vast wolf
theres legit no point in killing a juvie utah as anything larger than a cerato as the food they give is insignificant.
left nacelle
@zenith onyx I like the suggestion, but I don't think cannibals would move on all fours like that, since their arms are much short than their legs, the creatures in the video seem to have arms that are about the same length as their legs. Plus from what we have seen, those movements aren't far off from the movement the cannibals will be getting
livid vector
@remote portalBird I didn’t know that, cool.
left nacelle
Ya tagged the wrong blue lol
vestal rune
cannibals have ben shown to move on all 4s though
vast wolf
old canibals.
left nacelle
They have, where?
vast wolf
new cannibals are tribals.
vestal rune
oh are they getting redesigned?
livid vector
@vast wolf ya there’s no point but players do it anyway.
left nacelle
We're talking about the eyeless creatures, gharial
livid vector
Oof my bad lol
vast wolf
left nacelle
we're calling them "cannibals" cause they have no name
vestal rune
ye, they haven't given us a proper name for cannibals so I'm gonna continue calling them that
left nacelle
But anyway, I've only seen them move on all fours to climb
vast wolf
pretty sure those were tossed out.
left nacelle
No they weren't
vestal rune
no they weren't
left nacelle
Oh wait!
vast wolf
zenith onyx
I think the cannibal should walk and run around on all fours like in the video.
vestal rune
oh I dunno maybe it was to climb, but I swear they could go on all 4s
left nacelle
Yeah I just remembered, cannibals crawl on all fours when they crouch
zenith onyx
it would be much more terrifying
vestal rune
ye that
vast wolf
old is the left new is the right.
vestal rune
the left one is a fan redesign, so not necessarily the case
no the right is the official model and the left is a fan redesign
left nacelle
old is the left new is the right.
Wrong, the left one is unofficial. The right one is the one that's always been planned
zenith onyx
yes, the left is fan made
vast wolf
awkward posture.
zenith onyx
it
vestal rune
ye that's what I was talking about
zenith onyx
it's going to be edited of course
vestal rune
cannibal will crawl on all 4s, but it isn't suited for running on all 4s
left nacelle
I think it's likely we'll get new animations for them tho. But I think they should get longer arms if they do move on all fours
zenith onyx
its not going to look just like that, thats mid walk too
vast wolf
cant find the image im thinking of. its a redesign of the tribal.
vestal rune
the ogre deformed looking ones?
strange wave
cant find the image im thinking of. its a redesign of the tribal.
@vast wolf but its unoffical
left nacelle
I don't think we've seen any tribal redesigns
The only official tribals we've seen are the ogre ones
strange wave
this one?
vast wolf
it is official. and its not that one.
vestal rune
that's a cannibal
left nacelle
That's unofficial @strange wave
strange wave
ik
zenith onyx
that's fan art there
left nacelle
Someone suggested that as a redesign for the cannibal a while back actually, and it got pinned in #general-feedback
zenith onyx
I really think the videos i posted could really work for the Cannibal, for speed, jumping speed and in general movement speed.
vast wolf
thats the one.
left nacelle
Yeah that's not a redesign, that's only official one we've seen, gharial
vast wolf
don did state that the cannibal was getting a remodel as its old and dose not hold up to the standards.
vestal rune
well technically there were the (I believe storebought) tribals we had in the game for a bit
left nacelle
Oh yeah he did say that actually
vestal rune
would make sense, it's is a very old model
left nacelle
well technically there were the (I believe storebought) tribals we had in the game for a bit
Yeah, but they were placeholders so those don't really count
vast wolf
its almost as old as the hypo rex.
left nacelle
original hypo rex
vast wolf
the one we can currently see in game and not the concept without a model.
left nacelle
The hypo rex itself is as old as the game tho. It was on the very first main menu for the game
vast wolf
yep
vestal rune
I believe the one ingame rn is a remodel actually
left nacelle
The hypo rex?
vestal rune
or atleast a touch up, since it looks different from the original hyper rex
left nacelle
It had some sound changes and color changes. I don't think it ever had a remodel
vast wolf
nope just a color change from green-brown to blueish green.
vestal rune
ah, maybe the new skin added more detail
vast wolf
og and current hypo rex. not the remodel.
left nacelle
That's probably it. The new skin is lighter so it's probably easier to see the detail
vast wolf
old skin
torn thistle
Here's the original, 5th image in this album https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yo81K
honest sparrow
shant is small sauropod size, and the biped run shant used to have went to para
barren zephyr
Can someone look at my suggestion comment plz
left nacelle
@barren zephyr Game's not meant to be accurate. Shant also hasn't been touched for years. Also as Pteranodon said, Shant is fucking massive
barren zephyr
Oh wow
left nacelle
Pteranodon just commented on it too lol
barren zephyr
Just saw it thanks
it’s not impossible for shant to have swole legs but that’s a fair point @honest sparrow
left nacelle
Shant is among the biggest biggest non-sauropod dinosaurs
honest sparrow
let me get a chart
vast wolf
shant is also really old and is a very very low priority.
honest sparrow
look at shant
left nacelle
Shant back in the day used to be able to freely switch between two and four legs
honest sparrow
what a chonker
covert birch
shant is quite the fatass
barren zephyr
you’ve never seen my grandma
honest sparrow
weighing like 14000 kg
covert birch
This vids got shant with the old bipedal run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFBietPXLzQ
icy lion
its like..... one step away from being pue. but its not going away
honest sparrow
I mean I'll see if I can find a paper, a lot of things have swole legs, but they aren't really bipeds
honest sparrow
para is way lighter and designed to flee
left nacelle
Shant running on all fours looks more intimidating imo. Plus it's easier to tell what it's actually doing from a distance
barren zephyr
shant is a big boi 🐂 ⬆️⬆️
feral adder
Shants scare me all the time walking around they sound like an apex lol
vast wolf
i never see shants and when i do i ignore them as they are just big walls for flesh and have scary toes.
trike + theri combos are much better for herds.
barren zephyr
well thanks for explaining guys
left nacelle
And thank you for not getting salty like some people do when someone disagrees with their suggestion lol
barren zephyr
I figured there was a good reason lol
Some people don’t think before they speak and it’s mad obvious lol
left nacelle
Exactly lol
vestal rune
ye larger hadrosaurs like shant couldn't run on 2 legs
left nacelle
@drifting ingot That just doesn't sound fun. Dondi said in the past that he doesn't wanna implement any sort of temperature gauge or anything like that cause he doesn't wanna force people to have to seek shelter or anything. I think that also kinda applies here. The animals are well-adapted to the environment enough that they shouldn't really be effected by rain. Plus imagine how boring that would be gameplay-wise. Sitting in a cave waiting for rain to stop
@dire agate That's an easy way to see a ton of utahraptors with dicks on their sides
strange wave
@dire agate yes i too want the pink penisaurus rex to end my survival run
neat beacon
or someone putting a swatiska on their dino
left nacelle
It's important to always thing about anything players could possibly do with a suggestion you post lol. If anything they can do with it can be abused or break immersion, it's probably not a very good suggestion
dire agate
Ye ur right
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Cannibals will be able to jump from tree to tree and stuff like that. They'll also be able to climb walls
zenith onyx
ik, its just a video on how fast they could move and what type of way they might get around in the map
zenith onyx
um.. there is no movement
left nacelle
Hold on, I'll try and fix it
zenith onyx
lol
i clicked on the link, i know it will do this.
that's what my suggestion is based on.
covert birch
make it move around like a xenomorph
left nacelle
(Btw they're like 11 feet tall, not very small at all)
covert birch
we dont know their height
left nacelle
Wiki says 9-11ft. Going by what we've seen, that seems accurate
I know the wiki's trash but that seems accurate
left nacelle
But wouldn't the cannibals be taller cause of how the legs are? That would make sense
covert birch
Not necessarily
left nacelle
Also iirc, Dondi did mention them being tall at one point
covert birch
Being small, at least for something like this would be better
maybe like the same size as the tribals, or just shorter
left nacelle
Yeah true
Also KAI, I read over your suggestion and the outsticking teeth thing sounds a bit too similar to the creatures in that clip imo
barren zephyr
Is there someone on the dev team tasked with reading though the suggestions? Id hate to write out my ideas to have it lost in the bulk of them
covert birch
None of them are specifically tasked to do it
But they have said they read through the channel
barren zephyr
alright cheers
glass blaze
Wait are we only gonna have the official servers in the beginning?
glass blaze
Also are nests going to provide food to egg eating dinosaurs? Did I miss things?
safe galleon
@sudden steeple you can just say "add x" without a good reason
sudden steeple
honest sparrow
Idk
safe galleon
@half horizon you can't just say "add x" with no good reason
left nacelle
@half horizon
half horizon
Oh ok
safe galleon
@serene patio are you ignoring the rules or can't you read?
serene patio
left nacelle
Iguanodon seems a bit too similar to shant imo. The only huge difference being the thumb claws
random imp
@half horizon and you are lucky mods disabled reactions...
tough osprey
Iguanodon would be very cool
glass blaze
Iguanodon would be really awesome, and maybe it could be deadlier than the shant which would lead it to being possibly viable for survival, but if it gets so big and so strong would it even be able to be killed by gigas and rexes?
left nacelle
If you made it stronger than shant, then shant would have literally nothing going for it
glass blaze
But if it's weaker than there's no reason for it to exist either
left nacelle
Exactly. There is a reason for it to exist if you can make it unique. If you can't make it unique, it shouldn't be added
Keep in mind, animals cost $7000+ each to make
If you made it stronger than shant, not only would it not be unique, it would just be throwing shant under the bus
honest sparrow
Honestly there is enough difference in size to differentiate the 2
sonic cloud
Shant already has nothing going for it though
vast wolf
maple that is a stroke of genius.
vestal hound
Not sure about the "killed" part but the rest of the suggestion is wonderful
feral adder
how are we supposed to vote on suggestions if we cant react?
vast wolf
exactly.
pale sorrel
@potent sparrow I've never thought of that, but that's a great suggestion!!
Also maybe: "You've eaten 106 bushes, 31 buff plants"
And: "You've broken your leg 4 times"
"You have been bitten 52 times"
indigo sun
I guess just.. say whether you like them or not here? That seems to be the only thing you can do
nova river
Did they shut down the general discussion?
vast wolf
they are basically suggesting a post life summary. when you die you get to see what you did that life.
indigo sun
Yes they did shut down general
pale sorrel
Yeah
Maybe if you could also save the information of every life you've ever had in The Isle?
So you can look at it later on
indigo sun
I like that idea
pale sorrel
Thanks!
nova river
Figures. Im assuming when 12:01am hit and no recode people lost their minds?
feral adder
I can def believe that^
strange wave
Figures. Im assuming when 12:01am hit and no recode people lost their minds?
@nova river yeah it seems like it
potent sparrow
@pale sorrel
The leg break one got me xD
pale sorrel
😆 Thanks
fair solar
Actually it depends where dondi and his gang are.
potent sparrow
I could add those to the suggestion if you'd like
pale sorrel
They have been talked about, yeah. Loads of clips from Dondi's streams were recently removed (no idea why), but this is basically what it looked like.
I'm not sure if EVRIMA will feature them, but I think they are pretty much finished. Could be wrong though.
feral adder
I remember watching them do a test for the "sick" mechanic, using that plant.
pale sorrel
Yeah. In the 23/05/2020 teaser. You can still watch it, it's in #phase-two-archive !
vestal rune
believe the clips were removed because twitch was having problems
but it sucks majour dick though
potent sparrow
xD
That's what it feels like sometimes
After breaking it twice you feel like that's all you're good at xD
And no problem, thanks for sharing the enjoyment out of the idea xD
random imp
lol, the tail thing suggestion... is a mechanic we do not need at all
like, coding a new set of animations and keys to have your tail rise up or down
is a bit useless, in terms of gameplay
mental flower
Dear and other pack creatures would disagree.
Deer*
It's a silent way to convey danger
As opposed to SQUAWKING
Even if it was a single animation for a "I detect danger" signal to your pack, it's far from useless.
vast wolf
its pretty pointless and most dinosaurs had extremely stiff tails anyway.
valid zephyr
Also rp furries would abuse tail control for... reasons.
potent sparrow
It could be fun tho. Even if useless gameplay wise. Same reason raptors hop onto short rocks. Cus they can. It's something to do
mental flower
^
vast wolf
i really dont think flicking my tail as a carno would be that amusing.
valid zephyr
it would be used for 1% actual realism, and 99% by docktahs for degeneracy
mental flower
Side note: if the answer to like, %99 percent of all suggested ideas is "to hard, no want to" then maybe a suggestion box is not for the devs lol.
vast wolf
it seems more like a roleplay feature than a functional mechanic.
mental flower
Well I guess if we consider every heard is I na discord than even sound calls are useless
Bodly language is not useless from a an accuracy standpoint.
vestal rune
it's useless from a development standpoint imo, calls allow you to communicate much better than tail movements
vast wolf
you arent going to be in a discord with 50 people in a chatroom. thats just chaos. its much more efficient to make a loud noise and scare off something than it is to yell at them of flick your tail 2 centimeters to one side.
dinosaurs arent cats.
bleak atlas
^
potent sparrow
Just an observation from personal experience:
How often do you hunt and be like "1-call if you see something dangerous".
Then you 1-call and give away your position just to tell your pack you spotted something. So instead
"Tail wiggle if you spot something dangerous".
It's quiet.
But this also works to just tell your pack
"Spam crouch if you see danger".
So, no it's not necessary in this sense as there's other ways. So far it's just an asthetics thing.
potent sparrow
My phone is double posting
vestal rune
ye but I'm not gonna be staring at my packmates if I'm hunting
potent sparrow
This is also true
vestal rune
that's my main issue
vast wolf
if you see something to hunt 1 call if your in danger 4 call.
potent sparrow
"bite your packmates if you see danger"
xD
Ya we're thinking non-chat quiet methods of communication
mental flower
Carnivorous animals don't normally need a body language que for danger
But like
Evey heard animal that's on the menu do
vestal rune
if I'm in a herd I'm gonna try and be loud if I see danger so I can alert the rest of the herd
which the 4 call is perfect for
vast wolf
this means danger. enough said. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/689983067238301760/TenontoDanger.mp4
potent sparrow
I've never seen pack hunting animals on History Channel going "BARK. BARK. FOOD OVER DER." They usually creep up to the food in stealth mode
vast wolf
its not that hard to coordinate without using chat.
mental flower
I will tender my resignation from emersion related ideas.
Sincerely yours,
- Animal People
vestal rune
I don't really think being able to move my tail, which on dinosaurs is purely for balance and locomotion, is very immersive
maybe if it were mammals it would make sense, since they commonly use their tails for communication, but it would feel wrong on a dinosaur
mental flower
Plus we have literally no idea how they actually behaved so it's all ultimately hypothetical.
vestal rune
I mean, we do know their tails were very stiff and used for balance and locomotion
so purely off of that, I'd say it's unlikely they'd use them for communication
random imp
It could be fun tho. Even if useless gameplay wise. Same reason raptors hop onto short rocks. Cus they can. It's something to do
@potent sparrow if you are willing to spend tousands of money for a mechanic that has 0 point in gameplay the devs might listen to you.
same for MystGali
potent sparrow
Lol i wouldn't be hurt if they never add it, I'm just making a statement that it would be fun. I see every reason why they wouldn't add it. In the end we're just bringing up ideas we'd be fun in this channel, no? That's why they're called suggestions. The devs will in the end do what they want and we can't do anything about it. So ya might as well chill xD
zenith onyx
nmd
valid zephyr
though a kill counter isn't something i agree with, adding it wouldn't take thousands. This is the suggestions chat. You can't just argue anything with 'it will cost too much'
the game has had one in the past
mental flower
I agree
ruby jacinth
It's take 10 mins at most to add, the question is if it's good for the game
vestal rune
ye I don't think a kill counter would really be that hard to add
ruby jacinth
The Thousands of dollars cost is for things like new dinos
mental flower
It doesn't lend to a discussion to just say "That's dumb, I don't like it, it costs to much" like, discuss why you feel that way lol
left nacelle
A kill counter could encourage people to kill tho. I'm pretty sure a dev said something about that in the past. A kill counter isn't really needed in a survival game
mental flower
I'm not going to push my idea if it can be logicaly explained why it won't work m
ruby jacinth
Yeah the reason it was removed was to get rid of the idea that The Isle is a deathmatch game
vestal rune
myst adding a bunch of animations to every dinosaur WOULD cost alot and be time-consuming
mental flower
Any addition fits that description
vestal rune
no it doesn't
vestal rune
ye, but the point is that you need to keep in mind how hard it is to add something, and justify why that thing would be worth the effort to add it
mental flower
Noted
potent sparrow
You make a fair point regarding the kill counter
mental flower
I personally would like to keep the mentality that it's a "battle Royal" or a competitive fighting game as far away as possible
I love the eco system/dino sim aspect
potent sparrow
Some servers like doing that but it's not for everyone
vestal hound
sounds like you would enjoy beasts of bermuda more myst
no shade the game seems to be more dino / silly focussed
covert birch
I personally would like to keep the mentality that it's a "battle Royal" or a competitive fighting game as far away as possible
they are trying to go down the route of an actual ecosystem in recode n such
random imp
lol comrade if you were referring to me, i was talking about the tail emotes, not the kill count...
potent sparrow
Pretty sure they were just making a point that this is just a suggestion page. Devs will ignore us if they don't want it, or if as you said, costs them too much to bother.
vast wolf
two questions. 1: how are barriers balanced. 2: how would you craft one with such limited resources.
having someone able to build impassible terrain means that they can just block off some food.
potent sparrow
I mean what if you can break it down :v
Just delays you a bit and costs stam
But I see it being an issue for littler dinos unable to smash stuff
vast wolf
that means that people are forced to take damage for food in some circumstances. it also makes larger animals more populous which the devs dont want.
it can be used for trolling and causes balance issues which the devs dont want.
how would you even get electric cable for an electric fence?
vast wolf
traps are more for tribals.
glossy matrix
wait how will tribals be able to set up traps? they look like that thing from pan's labyrinth for god's sake
vast wolf
tree snares are more for small animals.
potent sparrow
Or small dinos ya
vast wolf
theres more efficient ways to use a snare to kill something.
there are some snares that can be used on very small game where when triggered it yeets them into the air than back into the ground. killing them on the spot.
potent sparrow
That sort of thing might create too much kfs. I can see people setting killer traps then walking away. Someone triggers it and dies there. Nothing around to benefit from it
So, something to snag you for a little bit. Then you break free
potent sparrow
Owy
vast wolf
they wouldn't be auto kills but would trap things so tribals could come and finish them.
potent sparrow
Another thing that could be a cool feature is knock over trees to use as a bridge. Might use too much cpu power tho to make trees function
But ya. Traps like that could be fun too yeah. As long as it doesn't kill you. Otherwise people could set up mine fields (metaphorically speaking) just to kfs
mental flower
I worry about humans I this game personally.
I hope it doesn't just become another guns = win game
vast wolf
trees being knocked over is already planned.
making a bridge with one would be more difficult as it requires a larger animal and a larger tree.
mighty girder
@arctic veldt That is the point of a general channel, to be for general topics
just because its pets right now doesnt mean its always gonna be pets
prisma lily
thing is, many discords wind up needing a pet channel because one cat picture leads to 200+ chains of pet and animal image sharing that wipes out all other conversation
mighty girder
didnt need one before wont need one now
prisma lily
it may not be pets for some periods of time but the moment one is shared it becomes that for hours.
vital plover
Hopefully it stops and if it doesn’t, they isolate it to another exclusive channel. That is all.
icy lion
lul
its been condensed to make moderation easier and the server more streamlined, punch will make a post about it once its wrapped up @random imp
crystal trail
But yeah, give me lots of feedback and suggestions if you guys can
red vigil
I dont know if you saw my suggestion in offtopic, but i tough maybe the offtopic could be in ''his'' section? And not ''The Isle'' category
mighty girder
I think moderation can be in the info/news category, never really understood why it was by itself since people get pinged when they're striked or w/e
crystal trail
@mighty girder done
random imp
chill Punch, i meant no offense
😦
it's just that i was talking in a channel and suddenly it disappeared
crystal trail
@random imp Huh? I was making a joke lmao.
mighty girder
Punch is like a pitbull. He looks really scary but he just likes to have fun
wait no more external emotes?
big rip
random imp
it's just, i'm a bit on edge, like everyone else in these days lol
timid berry
Wait is offtopic art gone? I actually really enjoyed that channel
mighty girder
Personally disagree Levi, offtopic being seperate means nobody see's it and therefore doesnt know where to talk about non-isle things. Keeping a general chat near the rest of the discussion channels makes sense
random imp
suggestion: Offtopic-Discussion could be named simply Offtopic
mighty girder
@crystal trail I think you should keep these named suggestions/suggestion feedback and just keep description saying its for both, Or go back to the name having both in it so people know where it goes
crystal trail
Unfortunately you can't put / into channel names.
pulsar lake
Then suggestions-feedback
mossy horizon
Can you put | ?
crystal trail
I'm gonna put out an announcement for it shortly
mighty girder
yeah I was using the / as and ^^ saying #general-feedback should be suggestions and #general-feedback-discussion should be suggestion-discussion or w/e
crystal trail
And I'll also put channel write-ups in #rules-and-info
mighty girder
Ahh that should work
crystal trail
However I'm not going to tag for the announcement because given the date I'd get murdered by the ping police
mossy horizon
Especially now, people will go wild if ya do
barren zephyr
yeaaaa
mighty girder
I do think having a seperate art category would still be ok though
prisma lily
splitting isle-centric channels, [isle-discussion, merch-discussion, isle-lore, feedback, etc] and the general conversation channels [paleotalk, offtopic] would help The Isle category look less cluttered, and yeah updating the rules with pins on guidelines for each channel would help as many don't bother tabbing thru each tab and selecting pins
neat beacon
Huh
mighty girder
if they dont see an offtopic channel they wont use it until theyre warned to do so, which creates extra load on moderaters that already have a huge discord to control
its why isle discussion was originally made to be a general channel leaning mainly toward isle discussion instead of just isle discussion
potent ravine
can just rename the "the isle" category to "community channels"
frosty igloo
Why did they take emotes away
potent ravine
people were fucking with them
frosty igloo
And why is there only one channel for both suggestions and discussion
potent ravine
putting bad emotes places they shouldnt
potent ravine
wym like?? i wasnt even here for it, i heard it from somewhere else haha
honest sparrow
Punch is trying to streamline shit
frosty igloo
That’s not fun
potent ravine
people were using emojis inappropriately and so they just disabled all of them
crystal trail
It makes mine and the moderation teams lives infinitely easier instead of having like 50 channels and 50 categories.
Reactions and emojis will be back.
mighty girder
awesome
crystal trail
Figured I'd disable them whilst I tinker with the discord.
crystal trail
?
frosty igloo
I have a suggestion punch
Maybe it would be easier if you made a announcement so there is less confusion. I mean I personally was really confused at first
frosty igloo
K
mighty girder
hes not gonna ping bc of the date and bc everyones on edge but yeah
frosty igloo
Yeah everybody is peeing their pants for evirma
crystal trail
Making an announcement during the shifting would've probably caused more havoc if anything tbh
frosty igloo
Yeah they would be like the seagulls in Nemo
crystal trail
Ideally I'd of done it whilst everyone was sleeping... But that doesn't work with timezones.
frosty igloo
Yeah that’s true
Maybe you can do it outside of the announcements thing
Or just put it there as a pin and delete the text
Wait that doesn’t make sense
mighty girder
I think isle discussion is already allowed there jenkins, its more isle disc is isle only and offtopic/general is everything including that
neat beacon
I dont think putting a limit on any dino is good
dusky flume
For a minute there I thought the update released just now when I saw the announcement highlighted lol
mighty girder
Would just result in people holding apex slots hostage or groups hunting down apexes to hoard the slots for their friends
best way to limit apexes is to make growing them literal hell on earth
People do it currently because its not difficult at all, add some difficulty and more mid tiers, and the people with less time and patience will go to dinosaurs better suited for them, and less adult apexes will be around because mid tiers will be hunting them before they hit adult and even afterwards in packs
ecosystem balances itself
mighty girder
Emotes are coming back
Punchpacket #TeamFoszorToday at 2:08 PM
It makes mine and the moderation teams lives infinitely easier instead of having like 50 channels and 50 categories.
Reactions and emojis will be back.
craggy scarab
@loud vine and @left nacelle please no discussion in #general-feedback
left nacelle
Sorry
loud vine
It wasn'y even discussion, it was a suggestion, but aight.
mighty girder
@flat ridge You can just use #401470471750811669
theres no need to have a seperate channel for it
flat ridge
thats still really shitty, as an artist
brittle ivy
This discord isn't really an art gallery, it's an official game discord. If you want more in-depth feedback, exposure, and quality interaction I recommend opening a gallery.
flat ridge
i dont want either because i dont generally make art for exposure, feedback, or quality interaction. i just liked posting my art around sometimes
mighty girder
And you still can
theres just not an entire channel mods have to constantly check dedicated solely to art not even based on the game the discord is for
well
2 even
because it had its own disc. channel too
grave karma
covert birch
thx, its a pain in discussion atm
And i get theres a shitton of people but hey lots of those people will prolly stop talking post the actual release
valid zephyr
@vast wolf agreed. there is like 0 point having suggestions if people can't vote on them and make it clear they like them.
vast wolf
what can i say im a genius. 🤷♂️
valid zephyr
I hate how it's been merged with feedback too.
vast wolf
feedback was always cancer. suggestions was generally polite.
valid zephyr
someone will put a ton of effort into a suggestion right as a new phase 2 thing is shown. then their suggestion will get instantly buried by like 18 pages of feedback comments.
vast wolf
@pale solar already a suggestion on that btw.
pale solar
Damn should I remove it then
vast wolf
@modest ginkgo #general-feedback-discussion not feedback for chat m8.
pale solar
Good good
vast wolf
fair.
strange lichen
@mild breach yes
art takes time and for it to get drowned in a discussion channel is sad
valid zephyr
it's almost like we need a proper voting system so we don't all have to repeat the same suggestion...
strange lichen
lmao
covert birch
no real need for offtopic art imo, this aint the discord meant for it
also yea jenkins, idk why they disabled em emotes
covert birch
Whether it worked great or not, more work for the mods
And yes, i also think there isnt a need for that
neat beacon
Why cant this just be about the isle?
and remove everything else that isn't Isle-Related
strange lichen
either remove all the so called “channels that dont need to be here” or return the ones that got yeeted.
🙂
covert birch
Or remove the least useful ones
Since at least plaeotalk and offtopic (some cases on the 2nd one) actually help disperse "bad" convos in isle discussion
strange lichen
i never looked at the paleo chat
but offtopic art was used often
and provided good feedback aswell
covert birch
Quite a few times people are moved from isle discussion to paleo
Which was helpful
Same for offtopic, just to a lesser extent post the swap to general discussion
But since its back to isle discussion, its not as uneeded i guess the word is
neat beacon
Yeah and we have offtopic art if people wanted to post art not related to the isle
cause now i think we're just going to get a bunch of unrelated dinosaur drawings in fanart tbh
strange lichen
if they post in #401470471750811669 art, it gets drowned by conversation
yeah
a lot of people are posting offtopic art IN fanart
it got removed tho
just adds more work
covert birch
Yea was just gonna say i didnt see anything
strange lichen
yeah they removed it
neat beacon
And instead of all art being noticed, art just gets posted over
instead of art being on showcase and people being able to give crits or praise
strange lichen
mhm
idk it was more beneficial for everyone to have the offtopic art there
people get feedback, their art seen more
and now people get drowned out
its unfortunate
theres an offtopic discussion so the “it doesnt need to be there” doesnt work
crimson phoenix
the life overview would be a good feature imo, the seeing how far you traveled, how many bushes you ate, ect. I think it would be nice to look back at what you did in a life
flat ridge
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 100%
strange lichen
was gonna put a thumbs up on that but then i forgot
covert birch
I mean court, it does work if you consider the fact now that isle discussion is back it stops people from doing offtopic stuff within isle discussion
Now the whole people posting offtopic art i havent personally seen yet
but until i do 🤷♂️
Also yea overview would be a 10/10
flat ridge
before there was offtopic-art, some people would post unrelated art into fan-art
flat ridge
often it would be just something about a random, not isle-related dinosaur
or like a concept. i remember there being something about a fire-rex
long ago
not even a isle rex
strange lichen
so its either get your art drowned in a discussion channel which benefits NO ONE or post it in the wrong channel
pick your poison
covert birch
Again, im not really gonna comment till i see it
Only "offtopic" art i saw in there was actually a dinosaur suggestion in the form of artwork
flat ridge
i think it's shitty, really
some of us, like me, aren't in many discord server. i dont make art for exposure and i could care less if people see my art, because i dont really post my art on social media, etc. but sometimes it's fun to be able to post my stuff
crimson phoenix
Soup brought up something interesting. if the player cap is lower clans could get a lot stronger
flat ridge
im in 4 discord servers, half are private and half are game servers but 1 is very very small and not popular
i'll really miss off-topic art. it was my favorite addition to this server, and it being removed is straight garbage.
covert birch
I mean, if ya "could care less" if people see ya art
and just posted art for fun, i dont see much of a change with the offtopic discussion thing
Also that depends on how easy it is to actually hold clans up ingame
crimson phoenix
imo random server joining wouldn't be very good as plenty of servers have unique rules, maybe servers could opt in to random joining
flat ridge
i also liked it because i could see other peoples art and if i liked someones art enough, i could commission them
covert birch
Like if ya cant be buddy buddy with X species as your Y species due to some mechanic dese, that may stop clans n shit from growing to strong
crimson phoenix
yea the mix packing debufs could really hurt some clans but ive seen what good players can do with a large group of just one species
covert birch
Personally my main issue with the new server changes is the slowmodes in the actual discussion channels
5 minutes pass and the convo already swaps, cant even talk proper
vestal hound
I have mixed feelings about the offtoppic art channel... I've seen too much advertising for adopts and similar stuff on there. But there was also some cool art and I'd love to have posted unrelated dino art there
brittle ivy
For someone claiming to not care about their own art's exposure, you're being very vocal about a game discord not catering as an art gallery. I suggest joining a gallery site and lurking if you're not too keen on sharing your works. You'll be able to find artists to commission much faster than a passing glance here. @flat ridge
flat ridge
i also scan DA and other servers, not just here
crimson phoenix
isn't the 5 minutes only there because devs are doin some sort of QA styled thing? I saw a decent dev presence in there
covert birch
Well if they are just 1 species dese
Then let em be rewarded for being great at the game
Food is gonna be an issue either way
good luck feeding a megapack of X
crimson phoenix
honestly though im excited to see what the utah meta will be post update
covert birch
If the slowmode is due to a QnA style thing they wouldve disabled it by now since ya know, none are talkin in there no more
crimson phoenix
I agree with sky, this is probably the largest isle related discord but it's not geared towards art, especially non isle art
last bit I wanted to talk about, stats. I like having stats, I find it fun to break things down in numbers, but idk if the devs want that
barren zephyr
I doubt we will return reactions to feedback-discussion because reactions are most often used to grief.
valid zephyr
What about to feedback/suggestions itself? it was pretty vital to let people see what others thought of the suggestion.
strange lichen
Or staff can post the checkmarks/ x’s themselves. similar to that of #isle-fan-art they are posting the hearts themselves so the community can react.
problem is they aren’t quick to do that, but its better than no reactions at all.
valid zephyr
that would be extremely labour intensive
strange lichen
yeah.
but they did that for fan art
not the recent ones
but up a bit.
so we could show our appreciation for the art
daring bramble
You could just say whether you agree or disagree in here too
valid zephyr
oof. I always thought that it made it clearer which ones were popular and helped people know when to take their idea back to the drawing board.
daring bramble
A lot of the reacts seemed to cause unneeded arguing because people didn't like the reacts they were getting if they were being disagreed with--
valid zephyr
yeah I noticed that too. especially more recently.
people would unsubmit and resubmit to clear the negative reactions.
daring bramble
^ yea
feral adder
I myself was pinged unecessarily several times because of my reactions
valid zephyr
would be nice if there was a way to disable all reactions except ✅ and ❌
without manaully having to put them on each
ashen elm
Pretty much. There's a difference between one person arguing with you in the suggestion discussion vs lots of people downvoting your suggestion. I think removing reactions just makes it more unclear on community feedback versus one particular person (or people) just not liking your idea.
crimson phoenix
not having reactions is fine imo, if someoen disagrees or agrees with something they should come here and use words to say why, not just "
" at anything they remotely disagree with
mighty girder
^
crimson phoenix
Honestly ive at a lot of suggestions but in most cases I still came here to say WHY
ashen elm
We always had the option of doing both. If someone really didn't like a suggestion they would tell you in both channels, but we don't always have to explain why.
People may not want to have to explain why they did not like it to avoid the arguments.
daring bramble
Well, other people can, they don't have to themselves
mild breach
I personally love reactions. They give artists the confidence to keep posting. Although I do agree that it can cause more noise, I firmly believe that writing a paragraph for every artwork you see is kind of annoying.
indigo sun
Imma agree with tunisian street geezer's feedback/suggestion/whatever the fuck, its hard to actually talk and have a discussion when you cant talk more than once every 5 minutes. I understand wanting to slow spam and hype but its hard for anyone to actually talk to each other or explain something to more than one person
Legit, someone just said something and other people talked to him about his message and i know he cant answer now for another few minutes so he probably wont even respond now to those people cause theres no point
mental flower
Not going lie, I have seen more cohesive discord set ups * Shrugs *
A lot of this discord layout is confusing.
idle needle
I agree that any sort of reaction emote is probably gonna be used to grief, and that not only doesn't help anything, but it actually discourages people who might actually have good ideas from even saying anything at all
mental flower
It's like, people have no concern for the opinion or feelings of others on the internet lol
Who woulda thunkit
junior crow
I disagree with paradym hear I think suggestion reactions are a good thing. It shows the devs, who have said they look at suggestions, which ones are the most popular with the community. And if you don’t want people to use snarky emotes you can only enable certain emotes like ✅ and the red X
mental flower
Can't you just lock it to like a few reactions to cut down on spam
junior crow
You can that’s what i don’t get what para is saying here
idle needle
I don't feel like this is open to discussion, I think paradym is pretty steadfast on the idea that reactions are not coming back to feedback
junior crow
Wouldn’t it make sense to see what suggestions the community really likes and ones they do not?
mental flower
^^^^^^^
junior crow
Imo I think that’s silly
mental flower
Apparently not lol
daring bramble
Most likely that'd still upset people who don't like their ideas being disagreed with in the end. Almost lose/lose situation
junior crow
Honestly not to sound like a dick hear but then they seriously need to grow up
mental flower
^
daring bramble
That's hard on the internet for some people lol
mental flower
You seem to think humans are all functional adults
vestal rune
if they are putting their opinion/suggestion out there, it deserves to get criticised
prisma lily
it used to be that people would stick to consistently thumbs up thumbs down style responses, sometimes with a lil difference like hearts for suggestions surrounding baby dinosaurs, or the classic "yikes" expressions for suggestions that are vulgar
junior crow
We should not be baby proofing this entire discord to stop people from getting their feelings hurt
prisma lily
while i get that it's regularly abused in other channels, emoji reactions on suggestions show if a suggestion rings with people without requiring them to individually @ ping the op and write an essay on how they feel about it in discussion
junior crow
Their feelings hurt over silly things
vestal rune
also I feel like if someone just posts "please add tarbosaurus it's my favourite dinosaur", than they deserve harshness since they didn't read the rules
vast wolf
if you dont want your ideas criticized then dont post them.
vestal rune
^
daring bramble
People would still find ways to get their feelings hurt in some way even if that happens
mental flower
I don't get the reference of a tarbowhatsits so I have no opinion on that matter.
junior crow
Exactly and I will say it again just enable a check mark and an X emoji and that’s it then there will be no people posting emojis that are snarky
vestal rune
honestly who cares, if they're that sensitive then idk if they should even be on this discord
vast wolf
dapper the dev team is getting a break for a bit after EVRIMA hits.
junior crow
Seriously think para should rethink this decision
ashen elm
Agree, I mean I get disabling it on other channels, but suggestions where it makes the most sense is just weird
prisma lily
having a moderation bot where suggestions can be input and then it automatically locks reactions to a simple ✅ and ❌ would be pretty simple to setup
junior crow
Thank you
mental flower
1000000% this
vestal rune
@idle needle dev team is having a week break after evrima hits
idle needle
Well good
that settles it
but we also have been hearing "new patches coming every 24 hours" a lot as well
vestal rune
ye after the break
idle needle
so I hope you can understand the confusion
vestal rune
ye that's fine, just informing
mental flower
So let's just lock the suggestion channels for a week
indigo sun
No i think its before the break
mental flower
So*
indigo sun
Because those little updates are going to be fixing bugs and adding in little systems that werent there in the first release
vestal rune
oh ye the hotfixes
junior crow
Also feel like off topic art should come back yes it sometimes spawned cringey art but really who tf cares? Let artists share their work
indigo sun
Seems theyre going to get what they need done and then take that break
vestal rune
ye after the hotfixes they're gonna take a break
vast wolf
i had it muted as i dont care much.
mental flower
They could do it where the suggestion channel is only open periodically when devs want to watch it
vast wolf
i can appreciate a good piece of art when i see one but most art i see is not to my liking.
daring bramble
But really, I don't think para is gonna change this decision anytime today
not until the devs wanna bring back the reactions at least
junior crow
Well if the majority of people want them back it’s kinda silly not to bring them back
ashen elm
Unfortunately it seems. Makes me curious why too, considering I never thought suggestions was a problematic channel with emoji spam.
vestal rune
ye I don't see any real reason not to have just check and cross reactions
mental flower
^
ashen elm
If anything it's one of the chillest channels. Feedback is/was far more heated
junior crow
It probably because little billy got his feelings hurt after suggesting torvo for the ten hundred time without even attempting to explain why it should be added
indigo sun
There was issues with spam but those are few and far between, generally theres the x, check mark, or thumbs up/down reactions, with the occasional squint or facepalm, it wasnt ever a huge deal except whe people spelled like, fuck you, in the reactions the one time
junior crow
Exactly
vestal rune
oh actually another emoji they should use is the ⏲️
really convenient way of just saying "it's planned"
ashen elm
✅
daring bramble
@junior crow something along those lines actually happened last month I think lol
ashen elm
since I can't actually use the emote as a reaction....
junior crow
Thank you!
ashen elm
But yea, I agree I think check mark, x for no, and the clock would be good limited reactions
junior crow
^ or the thinking emoji as well
daring bramble
While I agree, just those limited reactions are fine, I doubt we'd even be let to use those now-
junior crow
Well then speak up
Let the team know that you disagree with this decision
You shouldn’t be scared to speak up
Papa bless
crimson phoenix
I feel 👍 and 👎 are better than ❌ and ✅ as the first two are more opinion reactions that accepted/denied. ⏲️ would be good though as a yea they know and want to do that
ashen elm
It's an early change, unless they are highly stubborn about this, I don't think people are going to happy with this set up tbh
It's already kinda discourages me from wanting to post any future suggestions tbh
daring bramble
I don't disagree with it either though? I'm just inbetween with it. I'm not scared to speak up either lol I've spoken up a few times here I just rather not cause it's the devs decision in the long run which they most likely won't change
ashen elm
Unless that is their point? 
mental flower
Devs creates reactions, Devs destroys Reactions, Devs create Suggestions Channel, Suggestions Channel destroys Devs, Suggestions Channel creates Reaction Suggestions.
Reaction Suggestions betray Suggestions Channel......NSFW Art Channel inherits the Server.
junior crow
Listen I’m not trying to force you to say anything but I just don’t think we should just sit here and twiddle our thumbs because this is their discord server ya know?
daring bramble
Yea, I get it
junior crow
Was not trying to insult ya either I apologize if it came out that way
daring bramble
nah, you're fine lol I understand where you're coming from with this
ashen elm
I definitely get wanting to express not liking this new format, but we'll probably need more time to see how it plays out.
I doubt they'll do any changes right now, especially considering Para seemed set on keeping it this way.
daring bramble
big changes always need getting used to too. we don't exactly know what para was wanting to exactly do with this kind of setup besides making it a little easier on the devs. maybe the thumps up/down or check/X reacts will be given to us to use later down the line but we never know
indigo sun
@modern trellis That's exactly what's happening
icy lion
im pretty sure legacy is becoming a "branch" and evrima will be the default, im not sure how hard itd be to change
swapping to a beta is easy but not a lot of people know how to access them
indigo sun
A steam post made by one of the devs made it seem like evrima would be the branch you would have to opt into, with legacy as the default
but its like, same shit. people can go back to legacy even if evrima is the default branch
icy lion
tbh thatd be the better option. little difference if old servers arent shut down by the update though
modern trellis
I heard that Evrima will be published overtop of the current, and legacy will be a branch.
indigo sun
I'll see if i can find the post someone showed me
modern trellis
A lot of people are too stupid to switch bk to legacy though
and will leave negative reviews etc
I remember back in the updates were a different branch days, there was a whole community who didn’t even play the updated branch
icy lion
ok since today he said this, it might just be a misreading. imo itd be better the way he described on the steam post
WAIT
im misreading
my b lmao
servers should probably be fine then, i imagine some might try to start the swap asap though
thorny crag
Thank you for the hard work dear devs👍🍀🏁💓
austere spruce
paradym had already addressed reactions and why they wont be returning. it's somewhere in this channel i think
ashen elm
I think people should feel free to express their stance and dislike of that answer though.
Expect even more repetitiveness since we don't have reactions than the opposite.
Or even disuse, this is the least active I've seen both channels in awhile. O.o
austere spruce
i dont have a strong feeling on this but i think i'd rather get someone actually talking to me in discussion about why my idea is good or bad as opposed to a vague emoji
honest sparrow
I mean both work
One is a simple easy way to get your opinion across and the other is a thoughtful conversation
ashen elm
Emojis act as a quick way to express a reaction without having to type.
During suggestions most active hours, there are anywhere between 5 to 30 suggestions in a day. I'm not going to participate in discussion for support or dislike for very many if I'm forced to engage in a discussion for each one I find interesting. It just lowers the amount of support or willingness to engage at all considering time as a factor.
Other issues with that is
- I don't like unnecessary tagging people just to saw a few words or incite arguments. The emoji is less confrontational (for people that are not intentionally trying to be rude...) and a quicker way to send a reaction.
- While the channel is A LOT slower than usual, if it ever does get back to regular pace the discussion I would imagine is going to get left in the dust due to both channels being merged into one.
To me, this seems like a bad idea on multiple fronts.
ashen elm
I get your point Para, really not a fan of these changes, but I will drop it if you think it's rehashing points you've already heard but are not willing to further discuss at this time. For now anyway. 🤷♀️
barren zephyr
A reaction isn't a conversation, let alone a discussion.
It's the graphical equivalent of going "k"
If you are hunting for an upvote/downvote kind of thing, I would bring those kinds of things over to reddit because I do also read reddit.
ashen elm
It's not a conversation, but it's far from going "ok". Emojis are that, reactive emotions. Kind of like mannerism or behaviors, they tell you information in a short amount of time.
If I want a deeper discussion, I would invite or start that, but I think removing the option doesn't help.
As far as reddit being an option, I rather not move over there for the purpose of just having the option of that feature. Discord has a emojis for a reason, though I recognize they have been used to abuse or harass members in this discord a lot more recently it didn't seem like an issue in the suggestion channel.
Though as a developer, I'm sure you are privy to much more information in that area (abuse, misuse in channels, etc...) than I am so
wise warren
@barren zephyr considering there was a whole section in one of the trailers about the day night cycle I would hazard a guess that we will have the day night system
heavy dragon
I heard its supposed to be bear bones but I think its still gonna be there.
barren zephyr
again...i have no idea if this is true but think about it..we won't have shit on release
wise warren
You can just stay in legacy mode if you really don’t like the barebones at the start
I’m going to guess it will update decently quickly after that to add more
heavy dragon
From what I saw from the ravenous video after the initial update if everything goes right we will have 24 hour updates that add the basic features at least thats what I heard.
barren zephyr
honestly if this is true they should go back on their word and delay the update till lets say December or something. The thing with Legacy is that its really bad..if it was good i would have keep playing it right now, we are all waiting for this thing to be released but it might be better to just delay it.
didnt they say that they were gonna have a quick break after launch? so how on earth are they gonna give us 24h updates?
heavy dragon
I heard the break was supposed to be after the 24 updates but idk
the first updates are probably gonna be hotfixes anyway
crystal trail
What's so bad about being able to switch between EVRIMA and Legacy exactly?
If you don't want to play legacy then you'll be able to switch to EVRIMA and vice versa.
barren zephyr
the thing is punch, legacy is in a bad state at least in my view and people have high expectations for this update. but from what ive heard we are gonna have even less than what we already have...again, i have no clue if this is a fact or not, its just the community speculating.
wise warren
Idk if the update is ready I’d rather it come out than delay it longer and still not getting more since it’s going to be barebones so they can test the main mechanics iirc
crystal trail
Keep in mind that whilst this is the initial release, one of many which we'll be able to deliver at a significantly faster rate, the game itself has been overhauled entirely. That includes the foundations, we're now able to do things that previously would never have been possible and it's exciting to even think about. When the next DevBlog is out I'd highly recommend giving it a read, that's always the best way to get the full context.
heavy dragon
see the thing is that while yes the fact that the initial update maybe barebones is true. Evrima will be a massive foundation for them to do things that they couldn't even imagine to be able to do pre evrima.
barren zephyr
alright, i'll take that in mind
wise warren
@brazen tusk there are servers that have protections like that, officials are meant to be dangerous. If you don’t want to be eaten by your pack mates, it’s best to pack with people you trust already
crystal trail
Also as for reactions... You guys aren't able to use reactions as I disabled them server-wide. I need to go through each channel in discord and individually edit each roles permissions to allow for appropriate emote/reaction usage.
Which I'll be doing today.
wise warren
That seems like a bit of a waste of all these unique reactions if you can’t use them on the server
crystal trail
It's moreso due to the fact that they were abused en-masse a few days ago.
Like I said, all I need to do is just edit the channel permissions and it'll be pretty much back to normal
barren zephyr
some people use these emotes to diminish others opinions..not opposed of not having them tbh
crystal trail
But obviously I reserve the right to take them away whenever necessary.
I just wish you could enable/disable specific emotes to prevent people from spamming clown or poo emoji's
wise warren
I wish people didn’t ruin it for all of us but I understand
brittle ivy
@brazen tusk @runic turtle Please use this channel to discuss feedback/suggestions.
brazen tusk
kk
valid zephyr
Would be nice if only the tick, cross, and timer were allowed in suggestions.
pale prairie
@barren zephyr if i remember correctly, there won't be a day/night cycle in the first public release.
i would share the clip of don explaining the situation but to my knowledge they've all been taken down.
valid zephyr
the clown emoji spam ruins everything.
wise warren
It would probably be more effort than it’s worth but have a staff member or bot to do that would be nice, just put check and x on it and let people vote still
crystal trail
I've enabled reactions for #isle-fan-art to see how it goes.
Please use them appropriately.
sand dune
edgy harbor
Punch since you cant take away certain emotes just see who abused them and take away the people.
crystal trail
@edgy harbor That's the plan, however I've been needing to setup permissions for individual channels for a while now
It's the perfect opportunity.
barren zephyr
Hey Dev-Team, is it possible to insert a map to EVRIMA, no one needs to look at vulnona anymore^^
crystal trail
What's vulnona?
barren zephyr
a website where you can check where you are at the moment
crystal trail
@simple wagon Isle v3 & Thenyaw screenshots are going to eventually be merged into Legacy Screenshots.
barren zephyr
like a coordinates tracker
simple wagon
Ah, okay.. good to know
crystal trail
Huh, I hadn't heard of that website before. I ought to check that out.
barren zephyr
yes it's nice maybe for new players^^
crystal trail
@simple wagon Main reason why I hadn't merged them yet is that it wouldn't be appropriate to name it legacy screenshots until evrima is publicly available.
simple wagon
That's understandable. Welp I have nothing else to suggest. You're doing great job 
drifting umbra
Let me know what you guys think of my social GUI concept when you get a chance.
@ me
random imp
man, AIs just started getting created... is a brand new project, give it time instead of jumping to the conclusion so soon. @kind marlin
drifting umbra
^I agree. It way too early to be critical.
strange wave
@barren zephyr did you just ask to stop reposting memes, a thing literally meant to be reposted
barren zephyr
seeing
same meme 10 times in same discord, in same channel is not entertaining
glacial mulch
Wondi was quite funny meme at first, but after seeing it posted over and over again just in few hours... idk mate
drifting umbra
Can we go back one post prior and look at my GUI suggestion?
random imp
@barren zephyr did you just ask to stop reposting memes, a thing literally meant to be reposted
@strange wave
paper oriole
Anky doesnt need adrenaline to break legs, its point is that it can cripple attackers so its slow movement isnt too much of a downfall. Making it need to be damaged already in order to muster the strength to overcome one of its biggest threats would make it worse. Could help magy though, since he is truly a bad animal
nova anchor
Yeah, I was thinking more of the magy. Anky came to mind as well though, because I would think that it would be more difficult for it to break the legs of something larger and more robust
paper oriole
Due to its awfully slow movement speed it would need to have good attack/bb to make up for it by default, slow animals who have no choice in a fight should be stronger