#general-feedback-discussion | The Isle Official Discord | Page 551

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:12 PM

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The dilos are literally meant to kill people at night

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:13 PM

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^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:13 PM

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okay.

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:13 PM

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If you think of an ability, you need to take into account how players will use it. They won't use an ability for what it's meant to be used for if they can find better/more entertaining purposes for it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I could still see it working like per say to blind someone to give you a head start to run away or juke them.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Yes but you can also blind them for fun

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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But you're a small animal. You won't need that

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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imagine your a sucho just fishing and a fuckin dimetrodon pops outa nowhere and flashes ya for no reason

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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yeah. and htere would be a cool down for the ability.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 PM

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A cooldown wouldnt stop it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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so you could use anly once or twice every thirty minutes or so

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Once again a cooldown wouldnt stop it

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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How would the ability even work anyway? Would you need to be looking directly at the dimetrodon? Would if effect a certain radius? Like how would it work

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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People would still be able to troll

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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And if the cooldown is that long, it would be useless

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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It would only happen if they were right on top of you to actually blind them.

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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But then you wouldn't have time to escape

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and you'd get trampled

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Ok dimetrodon runs up to a sucho, flashes em, and runs away
Or gets fucked cuz its so close it doesnt help

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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that's why you'd blind htem so you could juke them and live

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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A blind doesnt stop people from biting/attacking

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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And if it only works when they're on top of you, you'd get trampled before you'd be able to run

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:16 PM

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^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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yeah. true. but it could be a viable thing to blind something bigger hten it'self.

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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No, because you'd get trampled

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Youll die even if you blind it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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not if your a few feet ahead of it.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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You said you gotta be right on top of it to blind em

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that isnt a few feet ahead

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and increasing the range owuld make it more abuseable

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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like a few feet away. close enough to right on top

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Again abuseable

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Then they can just bite you then

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Especially since ya want it semi aquatic

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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maybe it could just be used on AI then..

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Having mechanics that only affect ai are bad

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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and hte speed decreased

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Wouldn't really be much use as AI since there will be tons of new AI after EVRIMA

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Covering most niches that dimetro could cover

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:19 PM

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like even with the increased AI youll still be fucked when encountering a player thats a utah or somethin

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And if you want that scavenger thing cerato would be ya best bet for somethin generally around that size tier

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:20 PM

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everything smaller then a utah can get messed up by a utah. The dimetrodon was about the same size as the utah even without it's sail.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Most things smaller than a utah are faster than it

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or at least can hide via burrows/tree climbing

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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yeah. that's why i said maybe it could be relatively fast. but still slower then a diablo

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Slower than diablo, faster than utah isnt something that makes sense

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:22 PM

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didn't say faster then utah.

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:22 PM

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If it's slower than utah then what's it's defense?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:22 PM

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the sail is a massive weakness remember this, lack of camo, larger hitbox

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:22 PM

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sharp turn radius to bite back at attackers

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Ok that can work

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But even then what niche would it fill

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What is dimetrodons goal in this enviorment

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:23 PM

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bleed damage

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Thats not a niche

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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And it would prey on the smaller dinos like troodon an copy that might overpopulate

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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a niche is like an animals place in a ecosystem i guess would be a good way to descrive it

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Doesn't utah do that?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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SO your saying a small tier bullier with a good turn and high biteforce?

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that can scavenge

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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maybe not high bite force

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medium range bite

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about maybe cerato type bite force

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Your basically describing a bleed focused cerato

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Scavenger, small tier bullier, good turn

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:25 PM

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a counter for cerato

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And allo maybe

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Ehhh idk
Allo a 2.8 ton animal, Cerato a 1ton animal vs dimetrodon a .5 ton animal

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like these things would just run over dimetrodon

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:26 PM

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yeah. but it would have sharp turn so it could get more bites in then they could.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:26 PM

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the sharp turn doesnt help them

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they can literally just run it over

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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it does the cerato

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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cerato again, can just run the animal over

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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and like i said before it would be fast so it could keep us with them

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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dimetrodon aint tall in stature, cerato is large enough to walk on top of it and trample it

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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KAI drop it. next time come up with a better suggestion.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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You said before slower than diablo which both cerato and allo outrun

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:28 PM

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we are in a blindspot

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:30 PM

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it can stay with a diablo but nice turn radius isntead so it can attack mid tier dinos who would pick on it and try to "trample it". And the spine woudl get in the way of htem trampling it. And it could also have mechanic where it could ram the attacker. shove it over to the ground so it didn't trample it.

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:30 PM

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even the biggest species of Dimetrodon would be utterly destroyed by all the mid-tiers, even the herbivores

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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a ram wouldnt do much for it

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Dimetrodon grandis is a lot smaller than you seem to think, Kai

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i k.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i showed em the size yesterday

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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It would be small.

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diablo is still played even though its small

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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and the other Dimetrodon species are even smaller. one species like, 3ft long at most

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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biablo is heavy as shit

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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it would be a small dino to play.

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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We're already getting tons of small animals

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Diablo is actually heavy and has proper natural weaponry/protection (horns and crest)

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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but im suggesting it could only take on those guys after it's full adult.

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not before

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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yes we understand that

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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then it's basically useless if not full grown

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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We are saying it physically cant take them out unless you spino-ify it
And even if you spino-ify it prolly would be op with what youve said

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Dimetrodon's not even scratching mid-tiers, especially adults

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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same guy, same creature same reaction

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Like literally ANY other quad land croc would do better

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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fine.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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postosuchus, prestosuchus, saurosuchus, fasolasuchus, etc

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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even the largest Dimetrodon is only going to be a threat to stuff like Compy or Hypsi

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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so?

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it could still be fun to play.

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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so stop insisting on adding stuff. is only irratating

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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even if yoy die to everything....

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Simple
It cant escape midtiers who decimate it, cant chase down its prey,
So the animal itself would be fucked

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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fun how if you can't survive?

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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good grief your even trying to see it from my point of view. it could work with the right mechanic to run away or hide.

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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even dilo, utah, mono, possibly even troodon woul be able to kill it

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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KAI lets look at current para, cerato, pachy, sucho sometimes
Better options who dont get raped by stuff are chosen much more then them
You may find it fun
But a majority of players wont
Hell this is what bryans issue with anky is

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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It isn't worth spending $7000 on a creature just because it's "fun to play" anyway. It needs to bring something new to the game

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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It cant hide with a sail like that kai

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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and "fun to play" is not a goof enough reason to spend 7k+ dollars on it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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good grief im leaving..

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:36 PM

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bye then

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:36 PM

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adios

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:36 PM

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don't get me wrong, Dimetrodon could work, but only under certain settings

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:36 PM

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it can work if half of the playables didnt exist

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or if they spino-ify it
But why do that when we have a shitton of other options who work better as a base

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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yes.....but it's pointless anyway because nothing so far i've said seems like it could work.

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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in Isle's setting, it would be extremely difficult to maintain one for long, and it wouldn't be fun for most people

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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if anybody else came up with this idea they'd prob have a better mechanic for it

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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even if you did a Skull Island and modified it into a mountain-dweller, it would still run into issues

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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dryo isn't fun for most people.

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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dryo is fun wdym

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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but that's what i've HEARD

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Literally the only other mechanic i saw working for it was the shove, if it took a tripod stance like monitors
Even then it wouldnt work due to the fact .5 tons isnt shoving 1 ton animals

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People who play dryo wrong dont have fun

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most people just camp burrows

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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dryo offers an evasive and burrowing style of group play

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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if your active as a dryo its one of the funnest things

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Dryos work as they're fast and can burrow, making them into horse-sized groundhogs

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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maybe it wouldn't shove them to the ground just farther away

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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and being fun isnt as much of a factor as working in an enviorment as playable

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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that's kinda the niche they currently fill

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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get a group of dryo's together and you'll see what we mean

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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and again kai exactly what niche would it fill

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Scavengering small tier bullier is what cerato has

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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pinning small prey to the ground is utah's

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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maybe it could keep juvs in check. keeping htem from getting too big before they prey on it? maybe? idk

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Being a spawn camper imo isnt a niche

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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lots of things keep juvies in check

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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also ^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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not a spawn camper.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Being able to kill juvis lots of things have the capability to do

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what would allow dimetrodon to do this in a better way that other animals cant

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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literally any carni would gladly kill a juvie if given the chance

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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lol

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this discussion is so funny

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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how about being able to lure juvs to certain smells it leaves? like a trap?

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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ok so what im reading here is that it has ok potential, but is crushed by the fact that its dimetrodon and not another type of synapsid

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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what how and why

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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The general animal of quad carni has potential
Not dimetrodon itself

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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could rub up against trees like bears?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Lots of animals will be doing that

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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that's scratching themselves

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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MAgy for example had it in its concept

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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the sail just completely screws dimetrodon in the isle

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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^

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an animal would see the dimetrodons sail before fallin into the trap

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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well i idk what to say to you guys because you jsut keep shooting down my arguments...

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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thats the idea kai

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Any idea has issues

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Which screw the animal over

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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maybe it could hid in trees to hide its sail?

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simple?

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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isn't the whole point of a discussion is to weigh up the pros and cons?

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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too much WWM

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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isn't the whole point of a discussion is to weigh up the pros and cons?
^

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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well, a camouflaged sail is possible, but with player-chosen colours, i wager most wouldn't be camouflaged

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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yeah.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Also kai another issue with the whole smell thing relys on the juvis constantly smelling, which players dont do

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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chamelon dimetrodon... i like it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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with the new map they will

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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How will they?

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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let's not forget, Dimetrodon is a stem-mammal, not a reptile at all

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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to smell for water. new water resources

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reptile/mammal like

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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YEs at the start sure
Once people learn the map tho what will be happening

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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true but, its a video game and its like yesterdays spino bickering

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Spino bickering?

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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people bickered over spino?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Oh wait nvm

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ya referrin to the dondi thing with raven im guessin

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yes

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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oh gotcha

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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and like you said LBueDragony it's not a realistic game completly so "anything is possibl!"

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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realism comes second to gameplay

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I never said anything is possible

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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half and half remember?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Unrealistic mechanics im gladly a go for, but they cant be too maddening

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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^

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Like chameleon is actually an interesting thing
But the issue is that is already a tissoplastic strain thing

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yeah. here how you come up with a mechanic for it?

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see if you can? lol.

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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chamelon dimetrodon has some potential

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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why would i come up with a mechanic i dont see any possible mechanics working out for it

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

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think hard because i've see you come up a few in suggestions

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that were good

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

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You brought up the mechanics KAI, you find how to make it work.

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

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dimetrodon would need something to hide the massive weakspot

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Laser beams from the sail!!!

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Pew pew

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

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well, i can't see why a species without a strain couldn't have a minor chameleonic ability, such as darkening/lightening like irl chameleons mostly do, but i don't think that would happen with Dimetrodon, since it's not a reptile, but a stem-mammal (which did not evolve from reptiles, it seems)

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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okay. how about it be semi aquatic to hide it's colorful self? and prey on juv aquatic dinos?

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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The problem remains

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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outcompeted by bary and sucho and deino

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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The sail 'd be too noticeable

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i don't think many people whould like to see a pre dinosaur in a dinosaur game

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yes. same for spino

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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mammals don't have any controlled form of colour-shifting, and any colour change at all requires a total shedding and regrowth of integument

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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(it was either pre dino are post dino)

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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But spino can raise the head before the sail cuz in bipedal

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Spino is different due to being a massive fucker nobody wants to fight
Nor is he an aquatic ambush animal

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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but spino has an extra couple tons of muscle

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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So can put the head out of water only

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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spino is a semi-aquatic apex though, so being a croc isn't on it's to do list and it can survive without it

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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The dinetrodon 'd be forced to raise the sail before the head in roder to see out of water

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Spino isnt doing what a croc does
(if it was that way deino or spino are useless depending on which is better)

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:51 PM

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unless you want dimtrodon to swim like we walk

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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dimetrodon has too many problems with its sail, but something like inostran could work in the same place

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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it would like in deep water. so it could get an ambush like jumping out of water onto land?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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The sail would ruin the ambush

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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landing on dinos?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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By the time it got close to the surface it would be spotted

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and lose the hunt

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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dimetrodon was not speedy at all even in water

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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not a realistic game

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Wtf

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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not 100%

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Whether it isnt realistic or not
The sail would fuck it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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atleast

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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realsim does play a factor

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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ik

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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do you want dimetrodon without the sail?

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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That'd not be dimetrodon then tho

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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is there a species that doesn't have a sail?

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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No

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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@zenith onyx the issue is the sail, so get something like dimetrodon without

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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no dimentros

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Dimetrodon and its fam have sails iirc

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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aka a gorganopsid

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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there are things like it

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e.g.g

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what the

indigo sun Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Dimetrodon's main feature is the sail you cant have a dimetrodon witho8t it

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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e.g. the ophichadion (i think tahts how its spelt)

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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gorgonopsid literally would lack many issues here
Even then prestosuchus, megalania, armadillosuchus all would benefit better then gorgo or dimetro and its family

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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ophiacodon could work

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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gorgonopsid literally would lack many issues here
Even then prestosuchus, megalania, armadillosuchus all would benefit it better
^

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Ophiacodon 'd be interesting

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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ophiacodon is basically carni minmi without armor

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Yhea lol

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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xD

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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eh, still worth a shot

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Would have the same issues of minmi, but not have the armor fixin it

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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how about this. when it first spawns in it doesn't have a sail like the spino until it's older like the spino. diet changes as it gets older and it becomes vegetarian because it can't catch anything when it's adult?

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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uhhhh

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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dondiSquint

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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So as a juvi its fine, then as an adult it loses any ambush potential

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yes.

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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that whould mess up the use of its teeth

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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dondiGross

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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And even then it would still be too weak to protect itself with lack of ambush unlike spino

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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yeah it would just run away

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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An animal slower than diablo running away wont do well

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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but its a tiny quad carnivore

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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but wihtout ambush speed

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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without ambush and it's low run speed?

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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in an ecosystem with tyrannosaurs and fucking allo

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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this thing is doomed

ebon tiger Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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i mean, there's Ophiacodon, which is kinda like a sail-less Dimetrodon, but it still doesn't have much going for it that isn't already covered by an existing creature

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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carni, alberto

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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tiny dino so nothing will really want to mess wiht it because it won't give much food anyway because of it's size

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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dominating compies isn't an acheivment

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Ophiacodon's issues is that its basically minmi but without armor and carnivourous
Only positive spin on it is that maybe it can be arboreal but even then wouldnt make to much sense or even look good and i doubt they want something that doesnt look good ingame

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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tiny dino so nothing will really want to mess wiht it because it won't give much food anyway because of it's size
@zenith onyx but this is a video game not really life, players dont care they just kill

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:00 PM

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yeah. so? it could still work as a playable? same as AI? playable AI. people will play that because it would be fun to get chased be everything. same thing for this guy

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and the baby dimetrodons could climb trees so get away from preds

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Like heres imo better quad carnis that can work
Stupendemys: MAssive fucking snapping turtle
Armadillosuchus: Burrower with a honey badger type niche (also omni)
Prestosuchus: lizard tiger type thing, ambush lunges/bonebreak from grapple
Megalania: Venomous ambush hunter, ambushes in, bites, then gtfo and waits for venom to happen

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:00 PM

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not really, people play galli because galli can hide and run, dimetrodon cant

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:01 PM

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even the dinos we have a s playable ai are unique, and the only fully ai creature is brachi because growing that thing

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zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:02 PM

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how about this? maybe as adult it could camp in water to hide it's sail and come out only for food?

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be a very stressful creature to play as

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:02 PM

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so like belly up? dangerous

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Makes no sense lol

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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What

harsh silo Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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dondiSquint ???

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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then it has sucho austro spino and deino

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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how doesn hiding in water to save your ass not make sense?

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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hell deino would kill itinstantly

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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not allo herra utah carno and legit every other carnivore

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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that's how it is for utah. alot of things can one shot it

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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No it isnt

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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wellw ere discussing a dino- i mean reptile that will 99% chance not make it into the isle

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Utah actually outruns animals

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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were*

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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but utah has speed and pounce

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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if they see them...

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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utah has speed and the power to hurt a mother fucker

jovial skiff Apr 10, 2020, 5:05 PM

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oof

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:05 PM

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dimetrodon lack that

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:05 PM

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if someone sees a utah the utah either engages or gtfos

harsh silo Apr 10, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Dimetrodon wont make it in the isle, it'd get destroyed by almost the entire roster

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:05 PM

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And again kai
Hiding underwater with that sail is only possible via being upside down or in deep water,
Even then by the time you got close enough to your prey thats drinking to ambush it your sail would leave the water

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Yes sev we are explainin this to em

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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ive never seen someone try this hard to make people agree with them about a dino this is pure entertainment

harsh silo Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Please do ur best so he understands how unviable it would be dondiLUL

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i said it's diet could change one it's an adult so it wouldn't have ambush anything as adult.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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So your sayin adult dimetrodon herbis?

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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changing diet is a big fat N O on my part

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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that might make it worse

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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really how?

strange wave Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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dimetrodon has all the problems of anky and magy, except it cant attack and doesn't have armour

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Kai wait before anyone else says anything
What does its diet change too

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:06 PM

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cause its not normal

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xD

harsh silo Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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So dimetrodon just turns into a herbivore out of nowhere? Im dying right here what the hell dondiLUL

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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that's what a sci fi thing whould do

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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imagine playing carni your entire juvi/sub life and now you don't have ambush (great escape tool) and have to eat bushes

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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plants and scavenging

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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not a dimentro

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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dondiFacepalm

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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you're trying to merge edapho and dimetro and it's not working

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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^

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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im tired...im gonaa drop this before it explodes in my face.

jovial skiff Apr 10, 2020, 5:07 PM

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.-.

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

Tenor

It's done - Finished

▶ Play video

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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you're trying to merge edapho and dimetro and it's not working
^
this message speaks it all

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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https://46.media.tumblr.com/23e41517965b9bfe1b293d8544f13008/tumblr_nwbo9h7QVw1u5tn07o4_250.gif

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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no

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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wtf

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Monster anky bad animal

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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fuck jw in general

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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irl anky with fast turn superior animal

zenith onyx Apr 10, 2020, 5:08 PM

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oh my gosh

rare bramble Apr 10, 2020, 5:09 PM

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yes

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indeed

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:09 PM

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quite

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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@brisk ridge I like the idea a lot, but it doesn't really make for great gameplay. Having your vision limited can be really frustrating and annoying. Plus some animals have a decently long hatchling stage

brisk ridge Apr 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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That’s true

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Maybe you could limit their field of view? Or make it so they can't walk very well?

brisk ridge Apr 10, 2020, 5:17 PM

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That could be a possibility gasp

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:18 PM

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ide prefer hatchlings to be completely functionin when born but just have a hatching animation

brisk ridge Apr 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Hatching animation would be cool
You could spawn in the egg and have to use stamina to break out. But I definitely wouldn’t want it to be a long period of time inside the egg as that can be tedious to some

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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nah no actual gameplay for it

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Just a cinematic showin ya came out the egg

brisk ridge Apr 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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That’d be cool

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I always thought it would be cool if the hatchling walked on their full foot like really young birds do

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Like the have their full heel on the ground

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Maybe I'll make that into a suggestion....

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 5:27 PM

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having baby dinos with scattered or not developed feathers 'd be awesome

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I think that'll already be a thing

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I would be surprised if it wasn't tbh

random imp Apr 10, 2020, 5:38 PM

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yhea me too lol

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:22 PM

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@unkempt coral Just alt turn. And in EVRIMA, you'll be able to turn in place much faster than the current alt turn soooo not needed

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Also, don't upvote your own suggestion, that's looked down upon

unkempt coral Apr 10, 2020, 9:36 PM

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@left nacelle alt turn is not always useful with fast small dinos because they will always be able to tail ride you

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Well alt turn is being removed in EVRIMA and being replace with just turning in place and it'll be 10x better

unkempt coral Apr 10, 2020, 9:37 PM

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and it's a bit more realistic too, not just for fighting.. any creature can walk backward

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:38 PM

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It could be confusing control wise tho

pale cypress Apr 10, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I want my Megaraptor in game wheeeeeeeeze

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...

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:38 PM

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in EVRIMA, hitting the opposite direction than you're currently facing will make you turn. Problem solved

unkempt coral Apr 10, 2020, 9:39 PM

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okie ^^

paper oriole Apr 10, 2020, 9:51 PM

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“Killed as a giant apex by a dmall fast herbivore” mate did you get killed by a fuckin galli lmao

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Ive killed rexs as gallis on no alt before, galli is practically immune to assbiting for some reason against rexs

paper oriole Apr 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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well that's the rexes' fault for playing on a no alt server

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natural selection

covert birch Apr 10, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Very true

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Utahs gallis and dilos are the true apexs of no alt

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 11:12 PM

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you and your arboreals shini

lime drum Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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dondiHot they cute, what can I say

honest sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 11:19 PM

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fair enough

left nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 11:43 PM

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@flint lynx That actually sounds exactly like Utah's current eating animation

flint lynx Apr 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Yeah I'd much about Utahs so I assume it would be similar just because they maybe not have the bite force to eat like other carnivores would

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Idk its weird how much they can tell about something just by its bones

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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This is from the devs stuff, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fe-2eR01CQ. For the utah's first pounce, it latches onto the side of the trike. Then it jumps off. We don't see what the trike does in response. For it's second pounce, it jumps onto the trike's face. Bad idea, as the trike boots it off. But what defense would the trike actually have in game if a utah were to pounce on it from the side or rear?

YouTube

Filipe Tessaro

Pounce Large - 1

▶ Play video

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My suggestion would be: A way for the herbivores to defend themselves if a utah pounces on it from the rear or side. Perhaps it could roll onto the ground, body slamming the utah and crushing it.

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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@covert birch interesting ideas, though first thing i'd like to suggest, it switching Stegoceras for Goyocephale for the Homalo achievement skin

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Stegoceras is just too big, but Goyocephale is roughly around the same size as Homalocephale, i think, and has a similar head

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I specifically chose stegoceras for the round head so it would be at least somewhat unique lookin to homalo

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Is there any homalo sized stuff with round heads tho?

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Plus stego aint that large imo

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Homalocephale_Scale.svg

📎 220px-Stegoceras_Scale_Diagram_-_Steveoc86.png

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Tylocephale is closer in size to Homalo, it seems, and might have a similar head to Stegoceras

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i'll keep looking over what i can find

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:42 AM

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From what i found tylo is slightly larger than stegoceras

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📎 Tylocephale_Scale.png

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:43 AM

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weird, the measurements i was just reading have it listed as smaller?

lime drum Apr 11, 2020, 1:43 AM

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I need a dev to start writing down those achievements ✍️

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:44 AM

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not all size charts are correct so thats prolly why

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:44 AM

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you know what, you were right, Stegoceras appears to be the closest size that i can find

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so don't mind me lol

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:44 AM

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XD

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:45 AM

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if Homalo is 1.8m long, Stegoceras is 2m or so, whilst the other nearest examples were all smaller or much larger

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Tylocephale being around 1.4m long

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Oh length yea idk i was generally referring to height

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BUt a majority of these skin swaps anyways are really just head changes

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Prenocephale is a little longer than Stegoceras, but could kinda work if you shaved off a few inches

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fair point

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Still dont know what would really be a good stego skin

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Mirigaia was the largest option i saw but it has a lot of spikes unlike stego

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:49 AM

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hmm...

mossy horizon Apr 11, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Achievement: Epic Suggestion

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:50 AM

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best part was that i was in the middle of writing the bugger while the achievement convo happened in general

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:52 AM

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let's see... Hesperosaurus and the larger Wuerhosaurus species are roughly the same length as The Isle's Stegosaurus (S. stenops)

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:52 AM

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wuer can work due to its different shaped plants

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:53 AM

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the differences are mainly in the plates, with Hersperosaurus' being rounded, and Wuerhosaurus being known for more rectangular plates, often with a rounded top or even a backswept point

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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we use ungalates for stego size ingame right?

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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?

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Cuz theres stego stenops and stego ungalates right?

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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oh S. ungulatus?

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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yea that

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Cuz i remember someone mentioned its stenops in name but ungulatus in size

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:55 AM

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well, the preview vid has the Stego named as S. stenops the smaller species, which gets around 7m long

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:55 AM

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iirc dinosauriac said they said stenops just cuz its name is easier but went for the larger of the two sizewise

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:55 AM

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i'm not sure which size they've chosen

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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yea he said he just chose stenops cuz the naems better
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/583772767875235842

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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if they used S. ungulatus then we hit a snag, since no other stegosaur gets that big besides Stegosaurus

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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then said this later
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/610184011003723802

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I guess wuer is the best option then size its the largest non-stegosaurus

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and at least got distinct plates

ebon tiger Apr 11, 2020, 1:58 AM

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aye, i suppose for gameplay they just upscale the Wuerho skin to fit the Stego model

inner valley Apr 11, 2020, 2:33 AM

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nice, we got another spammer lookin for attention

ashen elm Apr 11, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Ungulatus might have gotten lumped into Stenops iirc.

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Give herbivores ways to defend themselves when a utah pounces from behind or on the side. Lets use trike as an example. Obviously, the utah would try to avoid the front, where the trike could gore it with it's horns. So the utah player would probably pounce on the back or side of the trike, away from it's head. But what can defense do trike players have against this? I propose that they can either body slam or shake off the utah.

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What do you all think?

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 3:18 AM

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top image i dont like
2nd one is fine

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 3:19 AM

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so u dont like the idea of body slamming but u like the idea of being able to shake to throw off prey?

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Body slamming mid pounce would make pounce on larger targets pretty useless

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Cuz why pounce wehn an animal can just body slam ya

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And shake shouldnt instantly drop somethin off it

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should make the stamina of the utah drain faster while also draining the larger animals stam

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 3:22 AM

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ohh that makes sense. i was thinking, if the utah is sneaky, and suprise attacks, the player wont react quick enough to body slam it mid pounce

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 3:22 AM

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issue is it makes pouncing mid fight for a larger pack who would swap out who pounces useless

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 3:22 AM

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thats true good point

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and yeah, for shake, that wouldnt instantly drop it, it would more be like a battle of stanima

ashen elm Apr 11, 2020, 3:23 AM

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They'll probably just make the dinosaurs buck like that one Shant animation that never got released.

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 3:24 AM

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^

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 3:24 AM

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yeah

real bison Apr 11, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I'm sure it's still a WIP but I was watching the Devs fly the Ptera and thought it would look and play alot better if it's agility was directly tied to its airspeed. I noticed when it was diving and picked up airspeed it was still able to turn at the same rate as when it's slow flying. If the agility was bottlenecked the more your airspeed picked up I think it would be a easy way to make their flight system a bit more real looking and also more dynamic in terms of gameplay.

severe idol Apr 11, 2020, 6:02 AM

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@barren zephyr - You may get the text channel, but it's unlikely you will ever get a commissions channel. While the sentiment is great, too much cross advertisement will muddle the message. At the end of the day, this is a Discord just for the game. Everything shown, available, and accessible through it is superfluous.

You have no idea the amount of beg, plead, and barter that had to be done just to add #675120344385716237.

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Alright understood!

severe idol Apr 11, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Sorry to mush those dreams. :(

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Your all good xD I understand the problems that can go with that,thought I might just brung that up

honest sparrow Apr 11, 2020, 7:05 AM

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we have giga and allo for sauropod hunting

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acro should be a grappler

wise warren Apr 11, 2020, 7:08 AM

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That... isnt a suggestion
Thats just a question

cerulean sentinel Apr 11, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Question will the crocs ever be able to carry the young in there mouths from the nest to the water. To protect the young we hatch I think it would be super cool.

honest sparrow Apr 11, 2020, 9:05 AM

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grazing is coming

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Pretty sure one of the devs said no to carrying babies in mouth

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At least.. while they're alive lol

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 10:47 AM

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yhea no carrying babies around, that'd be an abusable mechanic or used for trolling

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and anyway, how could a beast like a para or a rex pick up a baby?

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croc i understand , but still, the trolling/harass problem remain, but not BoB style carrying, that is just dumb

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@lethal salmon do not talk about suggestions in #general-feedback man, write your considerations here

lethal salmon Apr 11, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Literally all I said was eat the troodons

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That is not a consideration

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Neither really talking about the suggestion

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 11:17 AM

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It isnt a suggestion

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Therefor it does not belong in the suggestion channel

lethal salmon Apr 11, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Ok ok

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Eat the troodons

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Happy

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You buggin

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Stop typing

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Should maybe delete it before a mod as to

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Nah

lethal salmon Apr 11, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Look at your profile

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You’re a clown

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Oh wow my feelings are very hurt

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I am on the verge of tears right now

lethal salmon Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM

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That’s crazy

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Cause I wasn’t asking

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Should stop typing right the and there

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Then

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM

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You seem pretty salty just about somebody pointing out your misplaced comment in suggestions lmao

lethal salmon Apr 11, 2020, 11:20 AM

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I mean I wasn’t

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Until you had to hop in

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He just told me he didn’t need any help

paper oriole Apr 11, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Welp

twin cedar Apr 11, 2020, 11:28 AM

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@lethal salmon No need for the flamebaiting. Also, keep suggestions serious from now on.

vivid glen Apr 11, 2020, 1:24 PM

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I think it would be cool to have more incentive to play smaller dinos, but this isnt an ecosystem its a video game, so no matter how much incenitive you give there will always be a unrealistic amount of secondary and tertiary consumers

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 1:24 PM

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@hoary token Might wanna phrase that a bit better. I understand what you mean, but it's obvious that a lot of people don't understand

hoary token Apr 11, 2020, 1:31 PM

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ah yeah.

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thanks @left nacelle +rep

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Xd

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 1:33 PM

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dondiLUL

strange wave Apr 11, 2020, 4:23 PM

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@zenith onyx imagine getting deafend the second you kill something in a group fight, and you cant hear something running after you the second you kill a compy. Wouldn't that be a shitty way to lose a dino

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 4:31 PM

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no. it make it funny

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And there would be some instances where you would lose something big.

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But that doesn't mean it still couldn't be implemented.

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 4:32 PM

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that aint funny in my book

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gettin fucked over cuz your deafened from killin a weak link

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 4:32 PM

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im sorry that everytime i post something you disgree

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and it wouldn't mean you be deafened if you had your volume low which can be altered

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so it could work.

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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If it were somethin ya can enable/disable sure whatever

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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yes.

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same thing for the favorite that somebody else mentioned to.

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for favorite servers

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@barren zephyr Obviously there will be blood? Unless I'm misunderstanding what your suggestion is

barren zephyr Apr 11, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I just hope so

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 5:11 PM

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beasts are killing each other, of course there will be blood

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 5:12 PM

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the fighting aspect of the game is supposed to be as close as they can get it to real life

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 5:12 PM

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if there is blod eating a piece of meat why 'd not be in a fight?

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 5:12 PM

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so there will be blood.

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 5:13 PM

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no worry man, you'll have your blood dondiTroll

zenith onyx Apr 11, 2020, 5:13 PM

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to answer you question @barren zephyr

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 7:26 PM

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@cerulean sentinel It's having two takes offs. The running uses less stamina but takes longer, and the jump takes up a lot of stamina but it's faster. Also, realistically, pteranodon wouldn't have been able to run and take off the way it does

indigo sun Apr 11, 2020, 8:03 PM

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@brisk pumice current official population is kept to 100 because past 100 ai can spawn incorrectly with how it works currently. It will very likely change when new code is implemented for ai

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 8:03 PM

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@brisk pumice not only does ai break above 100 people, but v3 can work fine with 100 people, issue is hotspots exist and people stay there and never leave

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Plus with the new map n such issues like this wont be there anymore

brisk pumice Apr 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

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mmm ok.. but then how is it that on a community server with 150 players there are literally 0 issues?..

indigo sun Apr 11, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Sometimes there arent issues but a lot of the times there is

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One server I was on tried going above 115 and every time the server's ai would get incredibly messy

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 8:06 PM

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After you get past 100 players ai starts buggin out

indigo sun Apr 11, 2020, 8:06 PM

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And ive heard the same of other servers

brisk pumice Apr 11, 2020, 8:07 PM

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i mean i play on asura daily and everything seems fine all the time :\

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they have restarts more frequently than official but that's about it

covert birch Apr 11, 2020, 8:07 PM

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that can be a factor

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But generally ai start buggin out past 100 players

brisk pumice Apr 11, 2020, 8:09 PM

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i honestly never knew that

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xD

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but what happens exactly? do they just not spawn at all or?

indigo sun Apr 11, 2020, 8:10 PM

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They can spawn in walls or just mass spawn in one area

brisk pumice Apr 11, 2020, 8:11 PM

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oh

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alright

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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in officials se tituation will be basically the opposite, more AIs and a lot less players

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@pulsar lake It has two take offs in game. One of them is the one you posted

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The quad launch isn't very different from the one you posted

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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It clearly is

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The only thing that it looks like is the crouch

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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The only difference is it goes straight up, while the one you posted goes forward

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Hm

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It stills look different because of that

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And how could it go straight up? I don't see how it could do that

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Plus the animations still need refined, so it'll probably look better when it's done. Pretty much everything about the Ptera currently looks bad

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It jumps

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I agree

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Most flying animation looks bad

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:34 PM

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It's a light enough creature so if it pushes itself off the ground, it can go high. Though it uses up a lot of stam

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I think the soaring in particular looks really rigid currently. I don't think they have animations for it pulling in its wings to dive and stuff yet so that's probably why

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I would like to say that is same level as BoB

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Do you mean you want it to be on the same level as BoB? Or are you saying it currently looks that way

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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It currently looks that way

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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I think BoB's looks better tbh

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The Isle's ptera itself looks better, but the animations currently look worse imo

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I play BoB and it's about the same level about animation, just flapping looks better on BoB

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It looks a way faster

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I like The Isle's flapping more, I just think it needs to be sped up

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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ptero need to be polished

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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But there's clearly more refinement to be done. I know that's not how Ptera's gonna look when it comes out lol

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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and who cares if it can launch itself into the air? is not a real pteranodon, is a lab experiment.

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the other bat like takeoff might be used for other flyers

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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But physics and articulations are the same

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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You can see in the video in #phase-two-archive How it seemingly hovers into the air at times

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Cats and jump really high vertically. Who's to say pteranodon can't do that with it's arms?

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:40 PM

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exactly

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:41 PM

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You're comparing two things that cannot be compared

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:41 PM

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It's a light creature, and jumping like that uses up a lot of stamina. You won't be able to launch and then fly straight up like Filipe does in the #phase-two-archive EVRIMA video

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I'm not saying pteranodon is like a cat

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:41 PM

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A cat isn't build like a Pterosaur

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I'm just saying that there are animals that can launch themselves like that

pulsar lake Apr 11, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Oh okay

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:43 PM

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maybe there is cat DNA inside the ptero gene code dondiTroll

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It's a light creature, and jumping like that uses up a lot of stamina. You won't be able to launch and then fly straight up like Filipe does in the #phase-two-archive EVRIMA video
@left nacelle that was my only concern, after jumping he went straight up vertically, but that will me changed i assume

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Yeah. They've said multiple times that after doing that jump, you'll lose so much stam that you won't be able to flap much, if at all

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I would assume you'd only use that jump if you're up high but don't have enough room to do a running take off. Cause then you can just jump and glide down

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:46 PM

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yhea that is what i heard lol

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:46 PM

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And you can see in the video that all his stats in the bottom right are at 0. Implying they're all infinite

random imp Apr 11, 2020, 9:46 PM

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yep, noticed that, thanks ahahah

left nacelle Apr 11, 2020, 9:47 PM

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dondiFeelsGoodMan 👍

harsh silo Apr 12, 2020, 12:51 AM

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@torpid elk I saw ur post, i know it's on feedback but well, there's no other place to tell u, the ptera does that already, idk if u want it to do it in a more exagerated way though

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 1:27 AM

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@regal lake they stopped supporting macs for a reason. Those computers just are not made for gaming and I very highly doubt after already stopping support they would start it up again.

tender latch Apr 12, 2020, 1:38 PM

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They're called tribals @hasty radish

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 1:40 PM

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@tender latch yep but like Avatars (the film) ^^

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I think the ugly orc fuckers fit just fine.

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The Na'vi and any similar-looking creatures would not be suited for this sort of game. It's dinos, not fantasy.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 1:57 PM

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@hasty radish The humans aren't really supposed to fit in. The tribals are meant to be freakish looking

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We don't even know if the tribals are technically humans iirc

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Also, upvoting your own suggestion is a bit misleading

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Bluebird do you happen to have a tribal picture? Both so i can save it and compare it to the na'vi and show how its better

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:01 PM

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ok i suggestion a na'vi scary version😊

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Tribals are still better than some fantasy alien

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:01 PM

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@indigo sun

📎 Screenshot_20200124-184331_YouTube.png

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You can't really just change the tribals into a different race like that. They already have lore behind them and thet would screw up the lore

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@knotty wyvern Literally all of that is already planned except for the last two

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Yeah, but the navi were tall.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Tribals are tall too iirc

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Yeah theyre pretty tall

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:04 PM

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the tribes in The Isle will be able to climb trees?

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:04 PM

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It'd be kinda shitty and out of place to throw in some alien fuck rather than have the purposely ugly looking, already lore-ready orc fucks we've got

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Here's a full body pic. The loincloth is photoshopped on tho

📎 tribal6.png

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:05 PM

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They might. They might not. Changing them into a race someone else made wouldn't have an effect on that.

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Sweet thanks

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:06 PM

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The game takes place on a normal Earth island, soooo all the weird stuff is made in a human lab. That's why it all looks so horrifying. They're genetic freaks

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:06 PM

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That versus this, I'm choosing the ugly freaks for a survival horror game, not the blue aliens.

📎 neytiri-avatar-jake-sully-james-cameron-na-vi-language-avatar.jpg

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Yes, but we have to be able to modify this human gold to fit into the dinosaur world. I'm not asking that it be identical to the Na'vi, but I think the Na'vi would be better suited...

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i don't want a tribes blues xD

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:09 PM

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This game doesn't take place in prehistoric times

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:09 PM

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This is modern day

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:09 PM

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The humans aren't in the dinosaur world, the dinosaurs are in our world

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:10 PM

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We are getting the ugly, actually scary freaks because they will grunt and rip and tear and actually scare people. Rather than some fantasy shit.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:10 PM

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The animals in game aren't technically dinosaurs. They're human-made animals that are based off certain species of dinosaurs

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:10 PM

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just be inspired

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i know

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:11 PM

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No. It doesnt work for the game. It doesnt look even remotely right. It does not fit. Also, the Na'vi belong to someone else so even if you recolor them and change the clothes a little it cant happen

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Why be inspired by something when you can make something completely original?

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:12 PM

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The tribals we have are a really awesome original creature. Better than stealing some shit that looks terrible for the goal of the game

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Plus the Na'vi are so iconic that making the tribals look even remotely like them will be waaay too obvious

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I can't see what the problem is. Your monsters are a bit of fantaisiste, aren't they?

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:15 PM

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There's a line between fantasy and sci-fi

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:15 PM

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They look like humanoids living in the wild and forced to compete with monsters up to 4x their size

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Seems about right for their environment

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Actually more than 4x forgot about hypers

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:16 PM

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the monster also look like humanoids

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Can you please use a single language throughout your entire sentence

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:16 PM

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?

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oh sorry i can't see

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sorry i'm no english it's a difficult

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Just because Na'vi and Tribals both look like humanoids, doesn't mean they both fit into the game

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:18 PM

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These are people fighting against dinosaurs and mercenaries their whole lives, not some uwu pretty blue lady in the forest meant to be a noble savage. The na'vi are a shit idea for this game and someone else's property

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The Na'vi were built for the world they're in. The tribals were built for the world that they're in too

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Pretty sure the people who made avatar would sue the devs or some shit if they used the na'vi or a recolored version of them in the game

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Plus if the devs randomly decided to remake the tribals and make them look like the Na'vi, the community would go into an outrage and there would be tons and tons of legal issues

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:20 PM

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People like the tribal design. They fuckin love it. It would make absolutely no sense to change it. Stan would probably have a heart attack

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I haven't seen Avatar, but aren't the Na'vi a tree-dwelling species?

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Yeah kinda

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 2:21 PM

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And tribals have no business being in trees

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Sooo no Na'vi. End of discussion

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:22 PM

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but I'm not asking that he looks 100%, it's just their physics that I'm interested in. xD

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got to run the monsters fast.

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but we'll see when ther were the update ^^

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:26 PM

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They dont fit the theme of this game. They dont fit the style or the purpose the tribals are meant to fill. Tribals are brutish, murderous and will beat dinosaurs into submission either with shitty tools or their bare hands. They'll tear people apart.
People like their design a lot. It's popular. Changing brutal orc creature science-fiction to pretty blue noble savage fantasy doesn't work. It would cause a lot of anger in the community.
The devs, and especially Dondi, like the tribal looks. He takes joy in describing how cruel and ugly these things are.
The tribals will be able to run and survive just fine without stealing the design of an alien race. The devs don't need to steal shitty designs and they, and the rest of the community, are very happy with the tribals.

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:28 PM

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You don't understand. I was talking about physics. And I don't really know the physics of humanoid monsters, what they're made of.

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Physics????

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What physics?

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You're talking about changing how the tribals look to be more pretty fantasy alien

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:30 PM

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no, xD

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Your suggestion literally says you'd like if the tribals looked more like the Na'vi

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hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:31 PM

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I thought there would be tribes that would have physics adapted to the environment like the na'vi.

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sorry my english it's no good

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:32 PM

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The na'vi are adapted to a fantasy environment. The tribals are made to exist on a brutal island. They're strong and fast like they should be.

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They already adapted to their environment

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:33 PM

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oh ok, it's good ^^

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actually at first I thought there would be peaceful tribes and cannibal tribes, I don't really know what they're going to have in humans. I know there's gonna be mercenaries and monsters.

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sorry if my suggestion offended you.

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Theres not really going to be any peaceful faction in the game

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@smoky lantern 1.) #general-feedback isnt where you ask questions. 2.) No known plans for Ichthyosaurs. 3.) Pteranodon is the only pterosaur we know for certain is coming to the game.

smoky lantern Apr 12, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Ok. Sorry and thank you.

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 2:54 PM

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and by the way, the drawings are very well done on the na'vi, why so of brutality, I do not understand

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on those, have a nice day.

vestal rune Apr 12, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@barren zephyr the current build is not going to ever be changed, all their focus is on evrima(plus if they released an update everyone would get really excited over nothing)
also the current iteration of bone break is a very terrible mechanic, it makes fights based around RNG, I'd rather it be limited to only one dinosaur

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@vestal rune exemple of RNG please? for the dinosaure

vestal rune Apr 12, 2020, 3:56 PM

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huh?

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RNG is random number generation, it makes fights based on luck

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Isn't there a more realistic mechanism? The fact that you create a force by moving, for example. If you jostle a person while running, that person will fall.

honest sparrow Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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bb is going to be locational iirc

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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?

covert birch Apr 12, 2020, 4:13 PM

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bb is going to be locational iirc
yes

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Isn't there a more realistic mechanism? The fact that you create a force by moving, for example. If you jostle a person while running, that person will fall.
its possible with kissens mention of CC last night
But we havent been given direct examples of em

hasty radish Apr 12, 2020, 4:39 PM

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😊

barren zephyr Apr 12, 2020, 6:47 PM

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My point is about an ankylosaur. Something that has as much of a reason to have bone break as rex, if not more, and isn't even in official servers and probably won't be. But the few people who play it on unofficial servers dont feel like they get a anowballs chance in hell against predators its size and up because it cant escape a predator by running.

covert birch Apr 12, 2020, 6:48 PM

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They cant change anything of the current game atm, which is why they cant give anky bb

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the issue isnt anky shouldnt have bonebreak
Just that they cant change current game due to how broken code is
Cuz changing X thing fucks up a lot more things

barren zephyr Apr 12, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I dont think saying bone break is a bad mechanic is a great argument because they left it on t rex. Now if they cant physically make the change, then that 100% makes sense.

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If that's the case, I hope they convert the legacy servers to the new code so they can be edited in the future, if that's possible.

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 6:50 PM

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im sure it'll get bonebreak eventually when they update it to survival but they legit cant do anything with it right now

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the legacy servers are just the old game, they wont be updated to new code

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the new code is the other branch

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and the old version of the game wont be bothered with now that theyve done all the recode shit

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legacy gets no updates, no animals will be changed on it, and if you want bone break on anky you gotta wait

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@sterile meteor That wouldn't really punish sport killing. You could just wash off the blood between kills. And sport killing is fine. You shouldn't give the other person the chance to kill you in the first place

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:31 PM

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You'd need to be close to a water source though. And I guess punish isn't the best word to use, since yeah, that's part of the game, but it'd add an extra consequence to killing players for fun.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:32 PM

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But what's wrong with killing for fun? A lot of animals do it irl. Just don't give the person a chance to kill you. Don't trust anyone

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Attacking other players should be a risky engagement. This adds to that risk.

indigo sun Apr 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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the risk should be in the fight really

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Attacking players is a risky engagement, and it'll be even riskier after EVRIMA

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Yeah, but this adds to it. Assuming humans don't have silencers on everything, though, I assume the second a merc fires a shot any dino in earshot is going to start moving directly toward or away from the sound. Similar concept here.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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There already is a mechanic like that. If you hear something roar, you're either gonna move towards it or away from it

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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roaring is optional, you don't have to do so in a fight. It's not tied to an attack, and while yes, there are sounds when you attack, they don't carry very far.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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But still fighting is risky

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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it is

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Exactly, sooooo what's the issue here

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I had another suggestion I wanted to post and now I can't remember, dangit...

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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That happened to me a while ago lol

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Combat is risky, I obviously think it should be riskier and the mechanic I suggested goes toward that, you think it's fine as it is therefore the mechanic I suggested is unnecessary, so let's just agree to disagree.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Okay. But just an fyi, combat will be a lot more skill based in EVRIMA according to Paradym soooo there'll be probably like 10x the risk there is now

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Or at least, raptor pouncing is skill based

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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That'll be interesting if that ends up being the case.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Yeah Paradym said combat is so different that the combat actually makes him interested in playing as an animal

sterile meteor Apr 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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man I hope so, combat sucko in the current build.

left nacelle Apr 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yeah

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Adding into that suggestion @sterile meteor people would also be able to smell if your a danger to them depending on the amount of blood or smell they carry with them. The scent would gradually fade away as long as your not killing again.

covert birch Apr 12, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@sterile meteor that whole system is unneeded b/c with recode any attack that deals major damage will be linked with stamina, so by the time lets say a rex kills one para in a herd the rest couldve escaped b/c the rex would go into a grapple match of some sorts or have expended enough stam to not be able to run the other animals down

This can apply to many thins too

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Like utahs usin all their stam to pounce down one animal

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Your right, it isn’t needed as is the case with many things that are planned in the game but it’s those small quality of like aspects and special features such as the one Pooban is suggesting that can make the game more interesting to play, instead of just letting your stamina regain and go back to hiding in the bushes invisible to the herd once more.

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Just what I think anyway

covert birch Apr 12, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Idk imo being forced to have to wash yourself off after every kill or 2 seems tedious, especially if ya aint even near a water source

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Yeah I agree but it would need tampering to become less of a chore but more of a Oh it would help if I was cleaner sort of thing

covert birch Apr 12, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I mean being cleaner isnt always a benefit
Look at mudbaths, they are gonna heal ya and mask scent
Look at komodos irl, they have less camo-friendly colors normally but they are most of the time covered in dirt, crime, which helps

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Yeah exactly, under the right conditions certain scents could hell you in different circumstances. But I still agree that it isn’t needed, just would be cool

barren zephyr Apr 12, 2020, 11:48 PM

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maybe if you are attacked, and u start to bleed, others can smell that blood and track you.

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Yeah that would make sense, more of a strategic game instead of spamming left click to kill something

barren zephyr Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 PM

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or if you are a carnivore and you are eating, blood would get on your mouth, and people could smell that and track you. but it wouldnt last very long. maybe u could clean yourself to get rid of the scent faster

crisp elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Yeah

barren zephyr Apr 12, 2020, 11:50 PM

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or maybe if they carry a dead body in their mouth u can smell the blood and the meat of the body

crisp elk Apr 13, 2020, 3:30 AM

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@pulsar marlin that’s an interesting suggestion, it’s pro/con though.

The idea of thick trees/bushes is to keep larger creatures away so smaller creatures could hide etc, that’s generally how the eco system works today as well. It doesn’t mean large creatures can’t it’s just more difficult for them to navigate and see, which is why I would say it would defeat the purpose if you blurred out things like that.

Obviously the pro would be a quality life feature which some would like.

pulsar lake Apr 13, 2020, 9:34 AM

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@covert birch I see a lot more cool skins for Alberto like Thanato, Gorgo or Daspleto

past eagle Apr 13, 2020, 12:56 PM

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@marble egret already planned for the damage but haven't heard myself about bleed, plus combat will be more about grapples and actual mechanics instead of left click spam

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@edgy harbor as far as i know i've heard you gain more "skills/strains" when you survive with your dino and it passes away of old age then you respawn with a stronger young dino

left nacelle Apr 13, 2020, 1:09 PM

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@edgy harbor Surviving to full adult and doing some required things will make you become an elder. After you're an elder for long enough, you'll die of old age and gain some perks. Those perks will be active on that species on that server from then on

barren zephyr Apr 13, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Eventually, when both a male and female are needed to nest, the male should be able to incubate the eggs as well.

They have body heat too.
While it varies between species, most birds share incubation. For example, Double-crested Cormorants relieve each other regularly, every hour or so. Here is a couple on their nest.

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left nacelle Apr 13, 2020, 2:13 PM

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@barren zephyr Post your suggestion in #general-feedback, not #general-feedback-discussion

barren zephyr Apr 13, 2020, 2:19 PM

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i wanted to see what people thought before i posted it in suggestions

left nacelle Apr 13, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I think you should just go for it

left nacelle Apr 13, 2020, 3:30 PM

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@tall flicker Hypsilophodon will be able to climb trees, and Pteranodon can't nest in trees. It'll nest on cliffs and stuff

tall flicker Apr 13, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Thats so cool thx for letting me know

left nacelle Apr 13, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Yep np!

indigo sun Apr 13, 2020, 4:30 PM

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was hypsi tree climbing actually confirmed?

covert birch Apr 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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@covert birch I see a lot more cool skins for Alberto like Thanato, Gorgo or Daspleto
@pulsar lake i chose yuty simply b/c its prolly the most distinct lookin other compared to alberto, rest of those are generally the exact same as albert when at least yuty was a full on feather boi, Which a lot of people seem to want a feathered tyrannosaurid

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was hypsi tree climbing actually confirmed?
@indigo sun No, but its a possibility,
PAradym and filipe said somethin along the lines of concept art is just a mix of ideas that may go into a dino, not what itll do 100%

indigo sun Apr 13, 2020, 6:12 PM

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@barren zephyr

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neat beacon Apr 13, 2020, 9:26 PM

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@tender latch K

tender latch Apr 13, 2020, 9:26 PM

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No u :P

neat beacon Apr 13, 2020, 9:26 PM

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k

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Also maybe "Survival apprentice" for this?

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Survivalist?

tender latch Apr 13, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Mmmm well dunno because dunno what the campaign might be called if/when there is one, first mentioned campaign was called "The Escape" so I dunno

neat beacon Apr 13, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Escapisism

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jk

fading shadow Apr 13, 2020, 11:12 PM

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@tender latch i have an idea for your unnamed achievment, what about "Story teller"

indigo sun Apr 14, 2020, 1:22 AM

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@long ruin 1.) just letting you know, you'll need more than that you'd like to see it in game for an animal suggestion. It's in the pinned messages, but I understand not everyone checks the pinned messages of every channel.
2.) Titanoboa is.. sort of planned already. But because the animal is so difficult to animate movement for and work with the IK or whatever the thing for aligning players with the ground is called, it's really far on the backburner.

long ruin Apr 14, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Oh ok thanks for letting me know

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:30 AM

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If you dont like your dinos playstyle then you should play another dino instead of needing stat adjustments just for you

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:30 AM

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aleey no hate but whats wrong with it, just wanted to see it from a diff point?

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Why give a dino a boost just for existing

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:30 AM

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true i get that

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but it makes no sense

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when u have a t rex fight

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with the same out come

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there needs to be a difference within it

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Why does there need to be a difference?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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because

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it will make it more interesting

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Animals irl one of them isnt suddenly faster and one is stronger, they are mostly the same

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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EXACTLY

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thats why i dont want the traits

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Only trait ya need are elder traits

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 AM

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to be that much stronger than another

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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THen why have them at all

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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i want them to be a slight differnece

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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if its just the same

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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but not to the point where they make it op over another

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like

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u see a human

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Achieving elder will give you perks that generally make your life better

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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who is taller

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faster

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and u see one

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who is shorter and stronger

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both have their advantages

indigo sun Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Its tiny changes, not like 25% more health. It's to add a small amount of variation to the fights and animals in a population

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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It just seems unecessary

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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i dont see why each one can have it

indigo sun Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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I personally like the idea

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:32 AM

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ty nines

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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The thing is even tiny changes like that need balancing
Not only that but elder perks will rpolly do something similar

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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u see

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elder perks

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are only perks

indigo sun Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Its not crazy ass changes that completely fuck with the way an animal should be played, though yes youre right blue they will need to be balanced

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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they only provide advantages

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traits will provide both

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as in not just adding things on

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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We dont know that

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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but taking stuff off

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wdy

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wdym

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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at this point nines should be a trial mod

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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i suggested that

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aleey

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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im pretty sure they wont make elder perks ONLY benifits

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Well then how is that any different from elder if thats what you suggested?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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ok it will just get bigger

indigo sun Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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I appreciate the thought but I dont think I'm old enough, Pteranodon

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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but not be better

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fair enough ig

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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fair enough

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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You deleted your old one because i said it was just elder perks now your saying its not elder perks because its the same as elder perks, unless im misunderstanding

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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no

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Hes saying these benefit and dont help
Elder perks just benefit

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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i reuploaded it

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cuz u didnt even read it

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u just saw perks

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I did read

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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and thought of elder

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I read it 3 times lol

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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how is that the same ?

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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They are very similar

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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they are

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but not the same

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ok well idk ig people dont like the idea of dinos being different ;-;

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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We dont know elder perks will be all bonuses, actually im pretty sure i heard elder perks WILL have some drawbacks so people dont just farm perks and become OP as all hell

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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no aleeey

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do i need to reuploaded

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to specify

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Just

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explain

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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alr

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so

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what i had in mind

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is that

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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it did say that you will be like a jedi among clones, but even jedi are weak in some circumstances

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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u pick ur trait

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Type it all in 1 message instead of 2-3 every 5 seconds

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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the trait has advantages and disadvantages

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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@honest sparrow that was for elder not the perks itself

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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the trait does not change

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but instead

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when u finish ur growth

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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yeah, pointing that out

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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ur able to add stuff

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to each chartagory u want

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like what dondi had in mind

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so

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Im sorry its hard to read when you keep posting it in little things can you type it all out

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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it will cap

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at a certain level

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sorry

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ill just post a paragrahp

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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here we go

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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so, whati had in mind is each trait will have their advantages and disadvantages and u pick but the traits dont change as in they dont get op over time or weaker they stay the same

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they also will not be op as in they will not provide a significant amount added on to ur dmg hp or speed

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Gonna just put this in here
https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/DullCorrectCoyoteTwitchRaid?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

Twitch

Elders pog - Clip of TheDondi - Twitch Clips

Clip of TheDondi Playing - Clipped by triiident

▶ Play video

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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thx blue

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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ik u guys think it is simular to elder and i understand why but

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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You realize elders arent insiance buffs either

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Elders perks are minor quality of life changes

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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i just feel that users should get a choice a choice that allows them to pick what sort of play style they want to with that dinosaur, whether it be to run away from larger dinos or to stay and fight

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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if they were stuff like higher damage or more speed
Then players who are new to a server are fucked

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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imagine picking something optional to improve QOL and a bit of your stats, but have noticeable drawbacks, oh wait we have that

icy lion Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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they do that by playing, not by choosing a trait

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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A player can do that easily quad

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A para can choose to run from the allo or fight it

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Yea unless im mistaken this is pretty much just the same as elder, just at the beginning, i dont get how you are making it different im sorry

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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how it is different is that

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its even

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exactly even

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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I can be a high speed low-tier bull with carno, or I can choose to use my speed to try and crack harder to kill targets

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@wise warren hes saying elder perks are just bonuses, the "traits" are bonuses and debuffs
So a trait can be more hp but less speed

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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elder will be a benefit as in they will be slightly stronger

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most likely in the strength category

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for a period of time

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each trait has their hold back

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and

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yes

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i agree

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it is simular to elder

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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This system generally isnt needed

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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What im saying is that is the same as perks are, bonusess with a cost

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Since a player can pick if they decide to run or not via just playin the game, and not just stat changes

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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dont get it confused

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these arent perks

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or advantages

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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.......

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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its a sacrifice

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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But they are?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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u sacrifice ur speed for more dmg

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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it feels tacky, kinda, like oh I have a buff and a nerf, and I guess when I get to elder I'll get another one

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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You get a +2 speed thats a advantage

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even if it comes with --power

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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aleey

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idk how to explain this so u understand it

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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is there even an option in this system to NOT have a perk?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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yes

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they could possible be a trait

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that is neutral

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in all aspects

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Ok so elder
You get a bonus to one of your stats, this likely comes with a drawback so it doesnt become heavily OP
Traits
You get a bonus to one of your stats, with a drawback to another stat so it doesnt become op

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thats what im hearing

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and thats the same thing

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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ok

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so yes and no

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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pro for a con if you will

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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the heavily op part is right

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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twice

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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It just seems redundant to elders

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Look lets go down the things pros and cons

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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actually its kinda right

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Quad you list the pros, aleey will list the cons

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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ok

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Also what if you dont want to have special traits? It will be even more confusing for new people having to think about what trait they need to not die

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For what?

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Pros:
1.Gives player a slight choice over stat variation via start of a life
Cons:

Can lead to the creation of "min maxy" builds depending on how elder perks work
Already practically exists via perks, just lacks the benefit
Players can already "pick what sort of play style they want to with that dinosaur, whether it be to run away from larger dinos or to stay and fight" which you said this would do, via either running away or fighting when encountering other players

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Pros
-Allows for players to pick their preferable play style
-allows for their to be different outcomes in battles
-provides a more authentic feeling and is more realisitic
-provides tactics for battles
-provides there to be more specific purposes for pack members
-provides the ability to have a choice in combat to fight or to run

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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So quad lets look at the pros rq

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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mk

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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it'd also make some dinos less viable, for instance, as dryo let's say you take a speed perk, not only does this basically mean you can't heal from a utah bite (which you can do), or any other small carni, take health and you've lost your main attribute; SPEED

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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oo

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crap

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i forgot to add its only for carnivores

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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WTF

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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;/

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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So for your pros
If you want a playstyle not your dino, get a new dino
-There is already different outcomes, ive seen trikes demolish a rex and a rex absolutly snack on trike herds
-Tactics already a thing, find a hill to put your butt against or ambush your prey
-YOu can already do specific things for members, have 1 go scout, 1 keep the juvies etc
-If you dont want to be in a fight, run. Its akready a thing. If you want to fight, then fight

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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if herbivores had it

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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1: People can do that already
2: That already is gonna be happening with how new stam-combat and grapple-combat systems will work
3: Valid
4: That already is gonna be happening with how new stam-combat and grapple-combat systems will work
5: That is already planned with new systems (dondi mentioned diff pack members doin diff stuff)
6: People can do that already

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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WHAT

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NO

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Ok quad no

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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what?

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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WHAT THE FLIPPITY FUCK

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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No that is unfair

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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what?

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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1st of all quad
Read what i just sent on the pros

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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So herbis arent allowed to get a ability just because? Even if this did get added why NOT for herbis?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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ik i forgot about that part of it in the suggestion ;/

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i mean if they got it

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everyone will pick what they dinosaur was made for

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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So 2 lions are different but every single gazelle in the world is the EXACT same now?

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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running

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or fighting

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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And a tiny tiny boost will change that?

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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yeah, let's give carnis perks for speed and power just so they can stomp what remains of herbi mains

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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^

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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ok anyways

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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herbis could benefit from that alot

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Quad think about it like this
Utah get that 5% speed boost in exchange for health
Gallis are now fucked cuz utahs can run em down

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Rex gets that slight tankier hp trait or more damage in exchange for speed
Trike is now fucked

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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ok

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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allo gets a health boost, well now dibble is kinda screwed

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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uk what nvm

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i said the herbis then

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Your thing to add more balance just demolished all balance

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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ig ill just delete this suggestion asw ;-;

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Also quad read how i commented on your pros

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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since its so hated

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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You dont need to delete it

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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3 people disliking it isnt hated

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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We arent hating we just disagree

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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4*

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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there;s like 80,000 people here

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I'm sure people would love it

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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ik its prob gonna be the smae lol

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no

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apparently

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i mean cmon wont u smile to see a rex fight look difference

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just for once

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like

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Like generally the pros ya said are already either A: gonna happen, or B: already can happen

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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too see a rex

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that uses its own ability to the best

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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realism is the only "valid" one

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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How would it make it different?

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One rex will be a bit faster but once that bb is one it doesnt matter at all

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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u rlly asking how would it be difference

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ok

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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It will just make it so that the power rex will always win

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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lemme give a situation

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for u

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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fights should be skill based, not on what perk one guy picked over another

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Quad

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Stop typing

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Like

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this

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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THATS

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WHY

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its dependant on what u pick

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and how u use it

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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dondiFacepalm

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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It shouldnt be

honest sparrow Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Skill> luck and choice

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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it isnt luck or choice

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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It should just be skill
Choice shouldnt matter

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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its actually more skill

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that it will take

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if it was the same

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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You shouldnt have to just be "oop im dead, this dino picked a counter to me"

covert birch Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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how is it not choice
"its dependant on what u pick"

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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You should be able to use skill and tactics

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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i just said

icy lion Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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its luck if you choose +power -speed and the other guy chose +speed -power and now you cant run

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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10 thousand times

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no perk

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is better than another

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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"THATS
WHY
its dependant on what u pick
and how u use it"

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You just said

modern sable Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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it just provides a slightly better area in one field

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so it makes it slightly different asw

wise warren Apr 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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And if your enemy is slightly better in another field that makes them good against you?

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Because people will do that