general-feedback-discussion

[livid ember]

Fracture on every attack makes rex more uninteractive than ever

For every playable, even for trikes

Now gotta wait another week just for them to do another patch and idk buff fracture even more
Its so interactive to loose all your attacks as trike cuz rex bit you (you can't avoid being bitten)

[limber hull]

i mean, trike is lucky in that it physically cannot take a head fracture, which ironically does put it in a decent position

stego, however, is taking it pretty bad

[livid ember]

Leg fracture still cooks it and it got practically buffed

Since rex can now spam bite and leg fracture trike

[pliant elm]

The next update rex will have fracture in his farts 🔥🔥

[livid ember]

Players: "fracture is uninteractive and unfun to play against"
Devs: fracture on every rex attack

[pliant elm]

1 crush and leg fractured xd

We're back to the "one step forward, two steps back" again...

[livid ember]

I just want to know their think process, like how is trike and god forbid that animal (stego) gonna even think of fighting that fracture demon

Not even saying about smaller tier packs which rex will just autowin with every of its attacks

[pliant elm]

And don't forget that he's an Ambusher who, for some reason, still has a lot of stamina

[livid ember]

77 sec
Trike is 90

[pliant elm]

It was nerfed by 1 minute, but it's still too high

Red should have a maximum of 60s

Especially considering his entire skill set

Well, changes are being made and I really hope they reverse this decision

[livid ember]

At least its HT and they can actually proccess this and revert/nerf rex fracture

[pliant elm]

Although I really doubt they'll change their minds

[livid ember]

Rex can have its dmg buff but fracture should be heavily nerfed

I dont care how low rex hits if it disables everything in 2-3 bites

Let all the headbutters do fracture cuz rex swing does

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's what most of the feedback was saying. I really don't understand all this difficulty in listening own community xd

[livid ember]

Devs wanted cool rex v trike fights but they really make it less interactive for trike in every patch

[limber hull]

they did actually nerf the ability to just pin and murder trikes on that topic tho

[livid ember]

Now you fracture and murder trikes and you do that since pin nerf

[pliant elm]

Trike needs a nerf to its Thrash damage, Rex needs a slight buff to its Crush damage, and a significant nerf to its Fracture. That would make the fight much cooler

[livid ember]

I dont mind thrash as long as it get its hitbox fixed
Hard to hit big reward attack

Youre not hitting thrash unless rex stays afk

[pliant elm]

It's still far too much damage

[livid ember]

Which you can rarely land

[pliant elm]

3000 dmg, 4500 headhits

6000 dmg knocked target, 9000 headhit

[livid ember]

Considering rex fractures in 2 (was 3-4) crushes

Im not even counting the recent fracture buff to oblivion cuz rn it autowins trike

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's why Rex needs a huge nerf, maybe even to the point of not being able to fracture one Trike

[livid ember]

At that point im not against thrash nerf

[pliant elm]

In my opinion, Fracture should only be used to prevent mid-tier below 6 tons (stego not included) from escaping after an ambush

If this continues, we'll go back to having only Apex and Allos on the map

Like legacy

[tired quest]

stego not included
(sad stego noises)

[pliant elm]

It's not a bad thing; it's not included among the things that Rex should be able to fracture

To be more precise, 5.9t

[livid ember]

Ngl recent patchnotes seems like dondi is fighting his will to make rex op but loosing the fight

[pliant elm]

Things were going too well in these updates, Something bad had to happen xd

I have no doubt that Allo will also get a buff

[limber hull]

i mean

it did

it got a drift

although i think it kinda needed one since it was WEIRD it didn't have one

now give one to stego

[pliant elm]

Well, that's not exactly a buff

[limber hull]

it absolutely is lol

how is it not a buff to have better agility and movement in high speed

[tired quest]

I just hope they can push out a playable build before they go on holiday at the end of the year.
It’s already been two years in a row that they’ve messed up the patch , like back when herrera went live the fish got turn off for months

[pliant elm]

But it will have an effect on the fights, if that drift is good

[limber hull]

thats the plan

[pliant elm]

Like Carno drift

[tired quest]

did they ever fix the ram-spamming issue yet? or is this just how Carno plays now?

[livid ember]

They didnt even fix allo spam bite

[tired quest]

I get why I’ve been seeing so many YT channels posting videos venting their frustration lately

[barren crater]

"Fix"

I don't recall it being bugged?

[livid ember]

Why is allo shooting bites not a bug?

[limber hull]

it's def not a bug, if it were anything, it'd be an oversight

its the result of allo having an EXCEPTIONALLY fast bite animation

well, actually, no, fast isn't the word, it's a short animation

[jagged glade]

I once got killed by a pachy from way out of range — got rammed through the air

[junior socket]

My bad, wrong chat

[pastel cypress]

DRIFTING STEGO

[normal shuttle]

Giving fractures to Rex bites is such a fever dream

[urban flax]

History repeats itself

[normal shuttle]

Actual madness that we got legacy rex again

Ambush, fracture on all attacks…

Why would they do that?

[cyan flame]

It does seem like legacy/progression has inspired some of the choices of the critters lately. Maybe they figured how the matchups looked like back then wasn't so bad after all

[livid ember]

Trike v rex in legacy is awful

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message while i agree with the general... message, i guess, i dont think general feedback would be the place to give this grievance

[latent olive]

@flint heron please use the feedback channel for feedback

[normal shuttle]

Trike simply couldn’t win against a fg rex

[fiery hill]

I think its staying ngl

Unless they buff sprint speed, and its agility stays the same, it will need that bite speed to fend off smaller attackers tbh

[cyan flame]

Maybe it's more so that they're looking at how some of those playables worked, or how the matchup itself worked, even if it didn't go well (since that can be adjusted with stats and mechanics). Like how stego is apparently going back to being a lethal bleeder.

[livid ember]

Stego also dealt massive dmg in legacy

[livid ember]

Sadge, shooter allo is not cool esp for the dibble which it facetanks

[fiery hill]

I think dibble has many more changes planned

[livid ember]

I wonder if they actually gonna nerf rex fracture

[chrome quail]

They will

Trike needs agility and to be able to knock down a Rex

[fiery hill]

I actually like that the bite does fracture (headbutt no tho), but i expected them to half all values on fracture basically, like from 2 crushes on trike to 4

[livid ember]

And bite should do way less than crush

[fiery hill]

It encourages using the rest of its kit, especially with locational fracture on bite

[fiery hill]

It does, afaik it does half the amount

[livid ember]

Well now you can 1 bite 1 crush same sized trike which means it does same

[cyan flame]

It was mostly a bleeder in progression, that I can recall, though granted it did have damage too. And apparently it's a bleeder now again, which is interesting (though it doesn't seem to work out very well just yet, but maybe further changes will make it so)

[fiery hill]

I think 1 crush plus 2 bites is the same

[livid ember]

Frolo said 1 bite 1 crush and they tested it

Anyways the fracture values are def broken

[fiery hill]

Yeah thats too much then

[livid ember]

Swing of all things shouldnt deal fracture at all

[fiery hill]

Yeah headswing doesnt have the bone breaking force rex bite has

[cyan flame]

Here's an idea, give stego fracture on power swing, head fracture a rex

[livid ember]

And it should take at least 4-5 crushes to fracture same sized trike, i'll say not even legbreak, since fracture should be locational except no head fractures for ceratopsians

[chrome quail]

If trike can knock down a Rex the match up would be way fair

If a trike gets fractured it looses and if a Rex gets knocked down it looses. Thats fair

[livid ember]

First they should tune down fracture

Then everything else

[chrome quail]

Yh 1 bite is crazy 😭💔

[fiery hill]

Nah

[livid ember]

It seems like fracture from rex is already locational on stego
Now they should make it locational on trike except trike shouldn't recieve any fracture to the front (head armor)

[fiery hill]

I agree, and bite does half the amount of crush

[pastel cypress]

Guys five stego fracture damage on its bite 67 67 67

[fiery hill]

From the bite is, crush always gives body plus leg

[livid ember]

Is bite on rex works every 3 sec?

[fiery hill]

Yeah basically

[livid ember]

Sadge

[cyan flame]

Well, it's that, or stun, or something else so stego can deliver that bleed and then retreat safely. And if things are going to get fracture on various attacks, then large critters probably should do fracture on their powerful attacks. Might be better than stun/knockdown perhaps, less of an outright follow up kill, depending on the fracture at least.

[livid ember]

Crush also should do locational

At least body or leg

[fiery hill]

Stun yes, fracture just doesnt make sense

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message this is too excessive tho

[livid ember]

Stun more likely

[fiery hill]

Stun on running swing*

[cyan flame]

As much sense as rex headbutt doing fracture I guess

[livid ember]

Iirc stego stun on standing powerswing was also nerfed

[cyan flame]

Probably, but it could be interesting to try out fracture, if they're experimenting with it anyway

[cinder anchor]

Is dondi's favorite dinosaur rex and Alberto?

[indigo gulch]

Dont think so, why?

[fiery hill]

I dont think so, i didnt test but like 6 ton could stun up to 7.5

[junior nymph]

Dear god... its my image what have I created

[livid ember]

Triceratops meme funny

[opal widget]

It's actually pretty loud, but it's mostly bass based

Gotta play in decent headphones

[iron knoll]

and u can hear it from very far

[warped sparrow]

sorry idk where to ask with a picture, can i entomb the last 3 mutations too?

[wind mesa]

im a bit late but yes i believe you can fill this out entirely.

[warped sparrow]

all good im close to see if it works haha

[wind mesa]

hope it works :)

[finite field]

Yeah agreed, I can hear it in my bones from far away.

Idk how to link posts, but I agree SO much with Catti's observation of the little trees/rocks/etc to get hung up on are excessive, especially the boulders completely hidden inside big shrubs. If there were only a handful of strategically placed logs, rocks, etc to act as obstacles it would be much better and reward you for knowing a particular bit of the land better than your predator/prey. But very few of the dinos I play can step over a cobble a few inches high, making forest traversal really tedious.

[somber elm]

@lucid nebula hey, the reason people likely downvoted your suggestion so much is because the devs already plan to make an actual realistic utahraptor, that’s why they changed the name of the current one to the mythical name omniraptor.

[viral abyss]

You are a carno you have one of the worst bleed resistances in the game

[pliant elm]

More or less, Carno simply doesn't have resistance to bleeding

He previously had weakness to bleeding

But losing 50% of your blood from just two bites of an Allo Sub, especially when you're a Carno Prime, is pretty crazy

Basically, this Allo Sub dealt 900 bleeding damage in 2 bites...

[mild valve]

In reply to: #general-feedback message from @viral abyss
The Admins themselves have stated that the vetting process has to be pretty intensive by design as hackers regularly attempt to apply for the position. Abuse of the roll by Admins in the past has reflected badly on the devs, the admins, and the game so its not just hackers they need to vet out. It is a volunteer position, so people's motives are always going to be in question when one of the only gains from the position is authority over others. Recruitment is slow but I havent heard about any pause being placed on it...?

[proven river]

@mild valve
#general-feedback message
Look it's an interesting concept to have a runt mutation, and I get the want because it's conceptually cool, but nesting doesn't need less incentive than it already does to interact with.

It's already a tough choice to spend the resource and time cost to be nested or to nest others

[mild valve]

Eh fair point, personally don't think it would be that discouraging from the parent's pov that maybe one of the litter gets the runt mutation but I do understand where you are coming from.

[sonic jolt]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1446681455697592491 Eh.. @barren zephyr those aren't people hacking at all, stamina hacks don't exist anymore as they are all server end. The pt had enough stamina to take off, and you don't use it when gliding- it doesn't just fall out of the sky. You can still enter sanctuary when larger, you just can't be near be hives- there are plenty of spots for for this, try it, visit the location yourself. How do you think you can walk through delta sanc? As for the low stam, you can be bellow 7% and it not show on the UI. Please do not spread misinformation

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message normal rex can't fracture a prime trike in 2 hits

[proven river]

And trust me, I really do wish there could be a situation where that's a thing that could exist while also not dissuading people to nest, I'd also be fine being or parenting a runt, but most of the player base probably isn't

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sonic jolt]

See https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1446317305763205272 , i also have another 2 clips of it on video, it def can

they might have been 10T or so, but they were far from peak prime atleast, different model

still uninteractive

[mild valve]

Getting more upvotes then down currently so wouldn't be so sure about that last part 🥳

Edit: oof, got another downvote

[queen locust]

strange cause my 12.3T prime rex crushed a prime trike 4-5 times no fracture

[sonic jolt]

Did you hit it in the head/tail? Fracture dmg isn't RNG, I can pull up the vid evidence if you like

[queen locust]

nope, body multiple times

[mild valve]

• #general-feedback message from @river idol - Hope: #isle-discussion message, #isle-discussion message, #isle-discussion message
• #general-feedback message from @barren zephyr - Not what you are hoping for but this is atleast something, not the only post like this either: #isle-discussion message
• #general-feedback message from @azure spear - Try logging in and out a few times to that server. In an earlier patch that was working for some people, haven't kept up to date so not sure if it was still working. I've got hope it will though considering I haven't seen anyone talking about a wipe.
• #general-feedback message from @swift tide - You are correct, its a bug, logging in and out fixed it for me temporarily. Deino is likely going to stay broken until the devs get around to its rework which should be coming soon^(tm).
• #general-feedback message from @copper sparrow - Dondi has talked about this in the recent past, they said the hacker situation makes it essentially unviable: #isle-discussion message (Note: I like the idea, and you get an upvote, but yeah we just can't have nice things I guess)

[icy lion]

That's the same message Smeasel put in his post

[limber hull]

did you even read smeasel's post lol, he literally references that quote

[barren zephyr]

The PT wasn't gliding. It went up. It even used shift/sprint. Explain how that worked with no stam.

[limber hull]

@copper sparrow #general-feedback message

it might seem fair to you but this addition would be REALLY unfair for the pinner and easily abusable via hacks to make them effectively unpinnable

[copper sparrow]

I don't think it would be unfair to the pinner, I would argue the pinner already has an unfair advantage

with the way the calculation works based off weight, blood and stamina it's already heavily skewed in their favor.
(and this is coming from someone who plays A LOT of omni so I would be directly effected lol)

[limber hull]

i mean, you land an attack and some dude gets an RNG skillcheck to get out basically instantly

or if they're cheating, they'll always succeed

[copper sparrow]

it wouldn't be instant, with the way the coding works for them in GTA RP at least you can adjust speed of the spin, length of the input bar and how many successful inputs it requires to have a success. this would also depend on how much stamina you had at the time of an attempted break out, so for example if you were already half stam you wouldn't have enough to break free.

[barren zephyr]

I love that he's doing that. I can't even imagine how horrible it must feel to have all these awful people using hacks and ruining what he imagined his game would be like, and should be like, as well as destroying the experience of every non-cheating player. Maybe he'll look into monetary damages or something because they are definitely losing players because of these loser hackers/cheaters. It just sucks that they seem unable to find a way to stop them, and I know that getting better anti-cheat won't be a cure all but it would help some. That's why I suggested it. I'm just frustrated because I think this game is amazing but I can't play it because I've been one shotted by a hacker every single time I've played recently.

[mild valve]

I'd be playing the unofficials if you find it to be completely unplayable, specifically an unoffical where the mods are highly active. There are a few, I like islander's server personally but the rules are not everyone's cup of tea (and desperately need an update).

[urban flax]

DbD skillcheck
I honestly think making it like the other minigame in dbd would be much more fair
The struggle one, where you have to spam left and right buttons to fill a bar when the killer is carrying you on your shoulders, and once the bar is full you escape

Because one, it actually gives the player the feeling they're struggling to break free, as opposed to waiting for a hidden cooldown while doing nothing. But also, the struggle bar has a max speed at which it can fill (which is pretty easy to attain as long as you mean it) so it's not unfair for the killer as they know roughly how long they have before the target breaks free, and it's harder to hack

[copper sparrow]

I haven't played DbD but that does sound like a cool way of doing it and would fit with the vibe of struggling to get away like you said. Sounds cool.

[urban flax]

The game is honestly not that good
But it's got some nice ideas

[thick ivy]

@limber hull mate

[limber hull]

"remove headfrac"

why???

[thick ivy]

wdym why

u literalyl get headfraced once

in one bite from a rex

u have literalyl lost teh game

ur bite force is times two less

[limber hull]

so adjust fracture damage on rex, don't remove the entire fracture lol

[thick ivy]

and it lasts long

[limber hull]

i mean out of all of them, head frac is easily the least impactful for most things against rex

doesn't stop you from running

[thick ivy]

buddy its impactful for trikes and other rexes

[limber hull]

i'm pretty sure trike can't even GET head fractures

neither can diablo or pachy

the only properly impacted creature from headfracs atm would be another rex or deino

[vagrant phoenix]

@barren zephyr I noticed that too but this is hordetest with the most recent UI, I haven't played the latest patch yet so I don't know if they fixed it or the time of recording of the video. But I can say that you shouldn't be quick too judge, I'm pretty sure you can still run for a few seconds even if the stamina looks like it's on 0, basically the glitched Values that existed a few patches ago (or still exists).

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

If I'm driving off-road in my brand new SUV on a dark, stormy evening and it crashes, I think that's somewhat my fault

[fossil wolf]

@copper sparrow nice thought with the pinning but sadly every fight in The Isle is : Who ever pins first wins. Pretty boring imo

[sonic jolt]

Do you have an exact time stamp for when it does this? I see it fly up at 40:05, then glide/turn before landing at 41:06 before taking off from a cliff ( you don't need stam for that), and then using the 3-4% stamina it had gotten from sitting for 20 seconds to fly up which would not be enough to show up on the UI

[naive yacht]

i got stuck in a building with my rex and now ican move i tryed useing the /unstuck but it wont work

[clear nymph]

Developers of The Isle, please fix this. How is it possible that an Allosaurus is so slow and gets easily chased down by a Maia ? In the case of the Cerato, yes, it also gets caught, but it has good mobility so it can fight back. I’m begging you, PLEASE BUFF THE ALLO! It only has 1 speed point more than a Rex — that’s not normal.

[junior nymph]

@fair plover it already is a migration for things like trike and galli etc

[fair plover]

Is it?

[junior nymph]

ya

[fair plover]

I was there yesterday and explored but I had to go back to West Rail in order to find food

[junior nymph]

@shell adder that server isnt thereto just be fun, it was the only way the devs were able to convince players to play on a server that is getting strained to the point of breaking so they can improve all the servers

[normal shuttle]

Get gud

There’s more to fleeing stronger foes than running in a straight line

[shell adder]

Ok im convinced also to play on lower ping and give my contribution

[junior nymph]

im aussie and I usually play on eu and US servers so a EU person playing on a US server wouldnt be that bad

[shell adder]

On eu i hunt with 1 bite, on us i do it in 5 bites, so its a big diff, and im getting motion sickness from 1step forward 3steps backwards...

[livid ember]

Was rex fracture nerfed?

[sonic jolt]

#general-feedback message
@copper sparrow unfortunately this has been confirmed to be a no-go by devs as it is very easily hackable, they will win every time

[sonic jolt]

Buffed, muzzle swing and normal bite also do fracture damage now, meaning you can body and head break your prey too

[limber hull]

rex crush damage was nerfed with this new patch

idk anything about fracture damage

[fiery hill]

Its not a MZ, it can be a PZ at like 4 different locations

[fiery hill]

Crush damage

[junior nymph]

it is a mz

ive literally had it

[fiery hill]

Ive personally never seen it, lemme check vulnona

indeed

[pliant elm]

I really don't understand. The Crush damage was never a problem, the fracture was, but they go and buff the fracture and nerf the crush? Xd

[fiery hill]

Yup

[limber hull]

did they even buff the fracture?

[icy lion]

@tiny salmon Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[pliant elm]

They buffed it in the previous patch, but this one doesn't mention anything about Fracture nerf

Perhaps a hidden nerf

[tiny salmon]

Thank you, I appreciate the reply, and will see what I can do in the report.
But I really hope something is done to prevent it from happening to begin with

[icy lion]

The anticheat and other detecteion methods are constantly being worked on

[fast garnet]

HOW DO I GET PRIME NOW¿

[tiny salmon]

Thank you. I understand.
I love this game and hate to see hackers ruin it because it seems generally easy for them to hack

[limber hull]

have fun with experimenting and trying new things!

[livid ember]

It really doesn't change anything if rex still needs 2 hits to fracture trike

It can do 1 dmg but if it still disables trike in 2 of those - they are op

Also rex being low dmg fracture demon is cringe and just says how devs dont understand balance lol

Rex low dmg🥀

[limber hull]

i mean... is it??? like proportionally speaking, it's not that low damage

the only notable damage outlier now is stuff like trike thrash or running stego powerswing, everything else falls into 1000 or less damage

[fiery hill]

Ik its the exact opposite of what most ppl wanted

[livid ember]

I mean as long as it does massive fracture - its op and uninteractive to fight

[fiery hill]

“The most devastating attack” in game doing same as regular bite which is 700 damage

[limber hull]

i mean, its not like massive damage is much more interactive

[limber hull]

has it ever been stated to be the most devastating attack in the game?? ive never heard it referred to as such

[livid ember]

Way more than just standing and watching yourself getting killed cuz you lost your kit

[limber hull]

i mean, at least you get more time to stop yourself from dying than just, y'know, dying

[fiery hill]

Ive seen it being referenced like that

[fiery hill]

Exactly

[livid ember]

The thing it - you won't stop yourself from dying cuz you lost your kit

[limber hull]

i dont particularly like how easy it is to fracture things but i genuinely dont see how just nuke damage is really so much superior

[livid ember]

Noone's saying about nuke dmg, at least give back the 850 bite and 1500 crush

[limber hull]

you cant even head fracture trike, arguably making this change basically purely trike-favoured

[livid ember]

You still fracture it in 2 hits

Leg fracture is the most game changing one

[fiery hill]

You cant head fracture trike, but crush automatically gives leg+body fracture even when hitting trike head

Crush has no locational damage

[limber hull]

crush just shouldn't do leg fracture

body only imho, make bites do locational fractures

far more interesting that way

[fiery hill]

No

I mean, it should do locational imo

[limber hull]

eh

locational pins sounds like a functional nightmare

headpin vs bodypin vs legpin vs whatever

[fiery hill]

Pin is different

Im mostly talking about the regular hit

[livid ember]

In no world rex 2 hit fracturing trike is balanced

[fiery hill]

But i get from a technical standpoint it might be difficult

[limber hull]

yea see that's still not how it works with crush, becaue crush cannot work locationally, it's trying to set up for a pin, not specifically targeting locations

it's actually programmed to really only work on the body and nowhere else

[indigo notch]

Man but why

Why are the devs nerfing Rex damage to the ground

Like I know he has fractures but why go that route

It’s just not engaging gameplay

[fiery hill]

Its just the wrong route

[limber hull]

probably because it's a testing branch and things are being tested

[indigo notch]

But nobody asked for this

[fiery hill]

People asked for the opposite actually

[indigo notch]

Everyone’s been asking to buff Rex damage and nerf fracture yet they do the opposite

I don’t get it

[fiery hill]

I mean, im 100% sure rex is coming out to live with 700 bite force

[indigo notch]

Crush also does 700 damage now right

[fiery hill]

“Test branch” is an excuse, they never do balance changes with hordetest feedback

[fiery hill]

Yes

[indigo notch]

That’s crazy

That’s actually crazy

[limber hull]

i hate that argument, you know?

no one ASKED for The Isle to exist. In fact, it didn't even get funded initially, and yet here it is, and here you are playing it.

no one asked for most of the mechanics this game decided to add, yet it did, it's not about what people ask for, because you guys aren't making the game, nor do you know what it's like to do so

[indigo notch]

I guess

[limber hull]

if the only metric of something existing is someone asking for it to exist, we'd probably still be playing legacy

[indigo notch]

Well we just gotta hope Rex damage actually gets buffed and fracture gets nerfed. Because right now, at this point, it’s fair for a Rex to leg break a trike in 2 crushes if he’s actually gonna deal this low damage

[urban flax]

Actually we'd probably still be hitting two rocks against each other

[indigo notch]

But this change lowk ridiculous Ngl

[limber hull]

eh

personally i dont see it as ridiculous

they're experimenting with making the kit more than just crushspam, which I see as a valid undertaking

like, oh no, the numbers are off

yea. again, it's a testing branch

maybe it'll be released like this

i'm personally doubtful, but we can entertain that idea, at least the animal isn't just purely crushspam the creature

you know what'd be fun? remove the murdersprint then buff the damage

that'd be a fun experiment with a new fracture-oriented rex, then they can really start playing with its stats in interesting ways, and the creature can start ambushing things

[fiery hill]

If they do the balancing with data from hordetest thats riddled with hackers and mixpackers, lemme tell you we will never get proper balance

[limber hull]

what exactly do you want me to do with the argument here then?

[obsidian sphinx]

There is no "metric" in this game, stam is measured in seconds and biteforce has no unit, speed in km/h is a lie the actual speed is different.

[limber hull]

clearly just leave rex as is because everything they do will be wrong because of the hackers and mixpackers?

what point is being proven here

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-wat-what-gif-18497036

[limber hull]

first of all, literally what in god's name does that have to do with ANYTHING I said

second of all, the actual speed and the speed in km/hr are literally the same, Unreal Engine natively calculates speed in cm/s, which is an easy conversion to km/hr

thirdly, and i'll be reiterating a prior point here, literally what are you talking about

did you read anything i said or did you see the word "metric" and have some neurons fire?

[pliant elm]

Well, using that argument isn't entirely wrong. People played, saw what Rex was good or bad and what needs improvement. The worst thing here is the devs literally doing the opposite of what the community is saying

[urban flax]

Not saying they're right but doing exactly what the community says is generally a bad idea

[fiery hill]

You wait for live branch for balance changes unless there is something game breaking

[limber hull]

why? so the hackers and mixpackers on that branch can make a mockery of balance too?

genuinely what a bizarre approach to balance

[fiery hill]

You get feedback from a bigger player base?

[pliant elm]

Yes, sometimes the community really is a little wrong. But in this case it's quite obvious that they are not

[limber hull]

you know when you want feedback? when you're already actively developing something

[junior nymph]

@harsh fossil you are using the datamined version of rex, the actual rex is on the hordetesting branch

[limber hull]

if the balance is not finished, then the animal is not finished

you don't get to pick and choose what is and isn't a part of the finished product

[harsh fossil]

huh?

[limber hull]

if the animal is missing animations, it isn't done

if it's missing sounds, it isn't done

if it's missing balance, it isn't done

[junior nymph]

you are on evrima yes?

[harsh fossil]

yes

[junior nymph]

yea the rex in evrima was a datamined version, it was released early because people used 3rd party software to access dev things, Hordetesting branch has finished rex and allo with elders also

[limber hull]

treating the hackers and mixpackers like you genuinely can't balance the game with them around is such a bizarre take, especially given the devs have trusted, experienced QA members to test things in a controlled environment

[harsh fossil]

fire

[limber hull]

the hordetest quite literally exists for feedback, that includes balance. yes, the community is advocating for "big bite big damage" rex but we don't KNOW what the actual finished design intends to be, and its pretty clear they want rex to be more than just a crush attack

[obsidian sphinx]

So omnis speed is 1300 cm/s not 1300.

[limber hull]

It is 1300cm/s yes

Idk why it would be “not 1300” tho but whatever

[livid ember]

Its uningeging and unfun for both trike and rex

[obsidian sphinx]

The devs didn't specify the unit of measurement.

[icy lion]

Default unit in UE is cm/s

The ui just needs to have a converter built into it

[urban flax]

It's literally written KM/H in the character menu

[stray nest]

People been saying HT servers 7-10 got deleted ,any sources, is that true?

[obsidian sphinx]

so damage is kg/hit.

[urban flax]

what ?

[icy lion]

No

Well

If you wanted to phrase it in a really weird way

But damage doesn't remove kg from your dino

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I have entombed a Troodon three times in a row recently. And traveled across the Isle over these lifetimes. While it takes some knowing where, AI seems to spawn quite reliably at various spots.

I only went to delta once out of my four lifetimes, and that was at delta proper (where the land flattens out, the river gets swampy, and grass grows high.)

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message press the "fix game" button already devs.......

[vast smelt]

Atleast fix the AI ffs 😭 only time hunting becomes viable is as an adult

[paper galleon]

@mild valve what a sh1tty idea to clarify that all you want is a 50% dino bcs it looks "better" XD, besides you make a dino at 50% have the stats of one to 100%, in addition to breaking the game completely you make ppl confused whether or not it's really a small dino, and the idea of hunting small dinos disappears just bcs u want XD

[silk night]

I forgot a grab button

Basically, Humans are simultaneously a persistent yet low-level threat, with a toolset unlike any other animal, but that toolset can very easily become a crutch.

At day, or when working together, Humans can basically dominate the isle, becoming the small apex predators, killing dino after dino.

But when night falls, and a more competent, dangerous, or numerous threat arrives, then the world lets humans know just who this land is for, and it's not for them.

They're more expressive and have access to voice chat that no dinosaur can understand the language of. But they can understand tone, and they can tell when a human is in fear or not.

They have access to ranged weapons to shoot enemies from afar, sometimes without them even suspecting it. But those guns are loud, and to animals that rely on scent and sound to hunt or survive, those guns can become a liability than a reliable tool, scaring away or attracting unwanted prey.

[normal shuttle]

8-9kph is abysmal even for human standards

[silk night]

I read that in miles, not kilometers

[urban flax]

That is still stupid low

Also the implication that humans will spawn with weapons rather than loot them is yikes

[silk night]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

How to solve this...

[urban flax]

They also have zero reason to have a hunting weapon

That's just calling for human murdersquads roaming the island

[normal shuttle]

Spawning already with more stopping power than some subadult dinosaurs

Absolute cinema

[urban flax]

Also I don't think humans have a reason to rely on diets

Like
Humans have been stated to not be able to eat dinosaur meat, but pretty much anything in nature is edible for us as soon as it's cooked (except like, explicitly poisonous stuff, and even then, we can still eat some of those)

[normal shuttle]

Humans should have dilo on their diet

[urban flax]

Only if dryo has it too

[normal shuttle]

fair

[silk night]

Humans in general, be they of tribal or modern nature, need a lot of thought to be put into them. This is a rougher idea, but in a game primarily inhabited by a mimicked ecosystem, having humans historically would ruin that ecosystem or add nothing to it.

Humans need toned back senses because... well, their tools aren't their bodies and senses, it's their weapons and items, and need to feel like a dangerous threat to the ecosystem at large while also letting the human players know the world isn't for them.

[vast smelt]

Bro humans should be a death squad rolling around in a jeep or something just to have a pack of raptors pull up on them like street bikes on the highway to snipe them out the vehicle

This is the way

[urban flax]

And how does giving them free weapons at spawn achieve that ?

Also there will be no tribal humans in the game, Gen 1 aren't really human

[urban flax]

As long as the humans are properly punished for trying to go on a murderspree it's fine

But I sincerely doubt humans will be nearly as disruptive to the ecosystem in this game as people think they would be

[vast smelt]

We will punish them brothers

I will fly down as Quetzal and kidnap them for parachute free skydiving

This is the way

[urban flax]

I mean
I'll absolutely be one of the humans in a jeep shooting at stuff
But I fully expect to die miserably if I do that

[vast smelt]

That’ll be the fun part like a horror movie with dinosaurs

Jk though this game won’t release any of that for 2-3 business years better to ignore the game in its entirety until they do something 😌

[silk night]

It's basically a powertrip before a group of Omnis or Ceras come in and show you who this place is for.

[urban flax]

It's kinda disingenuous to say that the very day an update has been pushed to hordetest

Though I'm much more hyped for Gen1 than I could ever be for Gen2

Gen2 will be a fun horror experience I guess, but nothing beats monke gameplay

[vast smelt]

Performative on their end not disingenuous on my part

It’s constantly being dragged along
The games awesome if you try not to remotely focus on release dates for stuff and just be pleasantly surprised 7-17 business months later

[urban flax]

That's what happens when an indie team is trying to make a game of triple-A scope while breaking ground in an environment never explored before

[vast smelt]

Fair enough I can understand that why I never trash the game it’s awesome

I don’t understand the gravity of it all

All I know is small fixes for quality of life would be awesome AI used to keep it entertaining when paroling with friends give you little wins

Still haven’t seen AI working at all in God knows half a year?

Idk it’s frustrating like that seems like an easy fix but still we wait

If they gotta drop it as $5 DLC to play a Dino so they can get more crowd funding then do it whatever they gotta do it’s just moving entirely too slow

[urban flax]

The issue is more that they only have one AI programmer, who is also busy working on other things

And making AI work at all is a nightmare, don't even get me started on making AI work for several hours on end on a server with a hundred simultaneous players

[willow void]

Dondi, play the game you ruin every time at least once and realize that you're turning it into trash.

[urban flax]

Especially considering they're purposefully bottlenecking their server performance so players can afford to host unofficial servers

[vast smelt]

Need unofficial boosted servers I ain’t got 6 hours to waste to die in the first encounter 😭 dam near ruined the game for me and my friends thank GOD for unofficial

They should just make official servers with boosted growth rates

[vast smelt]

Understandable ask for crowd funding there’s people on Dino den paying $50 a month to play Rex on the server

[urban flax]

Money isn't an issue for them
But money doesn't solve everything

[vast smelt]

Then why have one guy working on it? If not money being the issue

[urban flax]

Because finding people willing to work on that kind of project AND with sufficient skills is not as easy as just throwing money at them until they accept to work on it

Because working as a smaller team is more comfortable and it's a passion project before anything else

Because Afterthought has a past with people sabotaging their project so I can understand why Don isn't willing to hire people willy-nilly

Because hiring new programmers in the middle of a project is a nightmare as they have to learn and understand the entirety of the code others wrote before them, and adapt to it so they don't mess things up

[wheat nova]

😭

[frozen heron]

Chatgpt suggestion bro

[pliant idol]

15 minutes of rain and storms all in the name of realism is atrocious. Cant see or hear anything to eat as a carnivore. Me and my whole group are about to starve because of it

[mild valve]

Err, thanks random person on the internet flaming my ideas, clearly you didn't read my [post](#general-feedback message) since it said "model and stats" but good on you for participating. No upvote for you because you're a rude child but have this gold star ⭐

[vast smelt]

Fair enough gave me some perspective

Where are you getting this info? I feel like we’re always left out to dry on everything

[left willow]

@open vale I have NEVER managed to catch a compy lmao

[open vale]

fr especially now that theres so much foliage and theyre so tiny they just vanish into the brush

[paper galleon]

don't worry, it has become clear to me that you don't understand that your idea, apart from being really bad, breaks the game, I had read it wrong and thought your idea was bad, but now reading it carefully it is even worse, a rex at 50% with stats at 50% is an Alberto approx, an allo at 50% with 1 tons running at 41.4 it will be noticeably better in certain obvious aspects because it has more speed and can escape or attack prey that it shouldn't, in addition to the fact that it can always flee from adult species, not only that, you also eliminate having to think that your stats are going to be lowered by the elder, let's also add that some species are very small and may not be seen, and can hide better. Low tier dinos are of no use to them, but a 50% rex is 3 tons and runs at approximately 45 (I don't know the exact figure but it's a stupid thing), you are simply in a very good moment of the rex stage and you are simply going to extend it forever he will play the role of Alberto, you will continue to be very good and the rexes will simply disappear because they will not be able to eat, you will tell me: "but the adult stegos and trikes won't be able to kill them (because will continue to kill allos comfortably)", and I will tell you that's true, but once they die, there will be no more, believe me, the rex at 50% it has more speed and a good weight to be comfortable and be able to kill all the stegos and trikes that are growing, so none will grow, the rexes won't be able to eat and play another dino makes no sense. You extinguish the largest rexes and also the rest of the dinos, obviously some will become adults, but believe me, as soon as the game takes 1 or 2 months, there will be no adults and everyone will be 50% rexes doing that.

[paper galleon]

And you will say: "so the rex mustn't have that mutation", this is when the brain should turn on and tell you to stop talking nonsense and think that a 50% stego runs a lot and has a good weight, as happens to the rex, It's something like his best time to have fun, he can knock down big things, he does good damage, he bleeds well and he holds up quite well (wow, doesn't that mean that kentro would be replaced?), trike is true that at 50% it isn't bad but it doesn't run much either so it isn't a problem, but this will only be more problematic as they add more dinos, some dinos will replace to others as I already said and other dinos will directly stop playing because you have taken away their role in the game, some dinos benefit from being adults/elders and others benefit more from growing, which is why the rex needs to continue growing.
also, the idea itself is stupid, it makes no sense to do that beyond seeing something adorable that never changes, in the end, after seeing something beautiful and adorable like your dibble at 50%, it will stop being beautiful and become boring because you are tired of seeing it, if you want to play something nice, please play my little ponny in search of the magic wand.
so making totally useless dinos, replacing them with each other and making you only see certain types of dinosaurs just so you can see your adorable little thing isn't as good an idea as you think, I know your intention wasn't bad, but sometimes problems happen when we don't really think about what we do and we think that what we are doing is a good thing when in reality, we are making it worse

[open vale]

Needs more punctuation

[icy lion]

@median coral Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[limber hull]

how is he turning it into trash, because i think the recent updates are quite good

[mental mountain]

#general-feedback message was thinking I was missing where the gastros were but it seems like there just aren't any

[indigo notch]

Chat gpt looking ahh #general-feedback message

#general-feedback message
@pseudo oar lowk skill issue

[limber hull]

how is it a skill issue tbh

[indigo notch]

Deino can bite Rex leg in the water while Rex can’t bite back

[limber hull]

a deino can't beat rex in the water i dont see how that's a skill issue lmao, that's just how it is

[indigo notch]

If you know the angle u can do it. Happened to me myself

[indigo notch]

Yes he can

Just don’t be on the surface as a deino lol. Bite him from under

[limber hull]

imma be real the rex losing that is way bigger a skill issue than the deino

you'd have to be quite literally be staying in the middle of the water taking bite after bite and not doing anything about it

[indigo notch]

Rex shouldn’t be in the water in the first place yeah

But if he was trynna beat a deino in the water he gonna lose and that’s his own skill issue. But if deino losses that it’s a deino skill issue

[mild valve]

First Essay Response

Thank you for your TED talk, I appreciate the time and effort you put into flaming my [idea](#general-feedback message).

I'd like to clarify that my idea and every other idea I have posted has always and will always be up for interpretation and rebalancing by the Devs so overly tweaking it to be perfectly balanced was never my intention in the first place as the devs have their own idea of what is balanced; If people are posting their ideas in general-feedback thinking they wouldn't be tweaked to fit the dev's design then I'm sorry to be the barer of bad news but the Devs regularly have to trash and tweak their own ideas (hence why they never tell us their [plans](#isle-discussion message) for the game anymore).

I'll just go through it all one kind-of-a-sentence at a time (please use more full stops if you do write another essay flaming my ideas ):

'a rex at 50% with stats at 50% is an Alberto approx, an allo at 50% with 1 tons running at 41.4 it will be noticeably better in certain obvious aspects because it has more speed and can escape or attack prey that it shouldn't'

• I disagree, the dinosaurs at 50% of their growth have exactly the stats they are meant to have at 50%. I understand your worries about 50% grown animals bullying 100% grown animals within their weight range (pigmi rex outclassing 100% Alberto was a good example) but I think that is something the Devs are going to be balancing for regardless of any mutations that are or are not added to the game.

'you also eliminate having to think that your stats are going to be lowered by the elder'

• I agree, I think whether animals with the mutation I proposed should have their stats lowered in the later part of their growth cycle is something the Devs would have to think about and it might even add a level of complexity to implementing my idea that makes it too much work. I never promised perfect ideas and in general I post them in #general-feedback for my own and other's entertainment rather than some expectation that the dev's would implement them.

'let's also add that some species are very small and may not be seen, and can hide better.'

• Umm, yes, this happens... you know this was meant to be a rare mutation right, I stated it in my idea... a drio can hide better, doesn't mean they are broken. Most dino's hide better at 50% then when they are at 100%, I wouldn't say that breaks their design.

'but a 50% rex is 3 tons and runs at approximately 45 (I don't know the exact figure but it's a stupid thing), you are simply in a very good moment of the rex stage and you are simply going to extend it forever he will play the role of Alberto, you will continue to be very good and the rexes will simply disappear because they will not be able to eat'

• I agree, this does make me think that if my idea was in the game you would have some sort of elder mechanic lowering your stats later on in your life cycle. Yes you would be weak but the mutation was never intended to make you pvp god.

*'the rex at 50% it has more speed and a good weight to be comfortable and be able to kill all the stegos and trikes that are growing, so none will grow, the rexes won't be able to eat' *

• The same could be said for 100% rex who has a great trot speed and now has a comfortable running stam pool.

Summary, you made some good points. Most of the points you mentioned become invalidated by the fact that the mutation would be a rare occurrence with no way to manually pick it as was stated in my idea, whether it would pass down generations would be for the dev's to decide but I think not.

Oh god there is a second essay I got to go through fml.

I still typing my second responce, give me a sec 😅

[paper galleon]

regarding the fact that you believe that 50% growth is exactly what they should have and that's all, it's already an invalid argument, I have explained why not, if you don't want to understand it that's fine, but at least debate it, don't say no just because yes, why do you think it's a game in constant change? besides if you don't know, allo and rex begin to grow from approximately 42%, their growth is still poorly done, so no, it isn't exactly the grow they have to have or the speed they should have, because if you reach 55% with rex you have approximately 3,5 tons and your speed has dropped much more for this reason, saying that it's the one they should have, apart from being wrong, you argue nothing, apart from the fact that Alberto's thing is no joke, it has approximately the same stats, and we already know that having 2 very similar dinos makes them not feel unique and takes away the fun of the game which is having different types of gameplay for each dino, plus it will make the ppl don't wanna play Alberto or rex, it's just something logical
also, don't compare a full rex to 50 rex, no matter how much it walks faster, having more stam and much more speed makes it useless to have more speed when walking.
making the stats go down even with that 50% muta is still inefficient because you will still be better than one at 100%, in the same way I think the devs already said that that type of thing will never happen because it clashes with the logic of being a dinosaur and growing up, goes against the game itself
regarding the fact that the dinos will be smaller, a 50% rex hides 3 times better than a 75% rex, in the same way that happens with the allo but on a smaller scale

[paper galleon]

I don't use points or things like that because of so many people I've seen write, many use chat gpt and it makes me sick to use points for that reason, although it's well structured and you can see that it follows a certain rule, it's not all disorganized, so it's not It's bad to write like I do, in books it's the same and I haven't seen anyone complain, I mean, I like it XD

[paper galleon]

Ik, dw but I want to answer you now because I'm going to sleep XDDD

[mild valve]

Second Essay Response:

Actually most of the points I covered just fine in the first response. Rare mutation, dinos at 50% are exactly what they should be at 50% and if that isn't balanced then the Devs will adjust before release if they get around to it.

'also, the idea itself is stupid, it makes no sense to do that beyond seeing something adorable that never changes, in the end, after seeing something beautiful and adorable like your devil at 50%, it will stop being beautiful and become boring because you are tired of seeing it, if you want to play something nice, please play my little ponny in search of the magic wand.'

• I'm gonna ignore most of that because it was flat out wierd, but whether aesthetics has value is a mater of opinion.

'so making totally useless dinos, replacing them with each other and making you only see certain types of dinosaurs just so you can see your adorable little thing isn't as good an idea as you think'

• Hypsi, Drio, Minmi... guess your opinion on this depends on whether you like small tiers but the Devs seem to have no problems with them.

I did attempt to respond to each point you made but some of them just don't seem translated too well.

This was going to be a point I make: I'm fairly sure multiple dinos filling the same roll is going to happen regardless, there are only so many different ways you can do a Therapod and the devs have outright stated such but I'm struggling to find that post from the Devs in a timely fashion so until I do it sits down here in the mud with the other unconfirmed nonsense.

[mild valve]

fair enough, sleep well

[paper galleon]

to the first point I mean that it doesn't make much sense to want to have an adorable dino all the time when it should only be when it's small, in the end you're going to stop playing it or see it as "pretty" simply for playing it a lot
what does hipsy and drio have to do with when they are made for it? at no point have I said that I think it's bad that there are adorable dinos, the problem is they don't need to have half the growth to look adorable, it has nothing to do with it
tell me which parts you haven't understood because I used the translator a lit because I was writing a lot and I usually make mistakes because I'm a bit "absent minded" might say
of course there will be similar dinosaurs, but it's like making allo and utah playably the same (XD), trike and dibble I think it's good that they are similar, but making rex and alberto almost the same is also bad and the community will complain, like with allo rn

[paper galleon]

thanks, u2

[silk night]

Tell me the pros and cons of the Gen 2 human. Need more detailed feedback.

[near patio]

Does your server list include EU9? Does anyone know when the EU9 server will be open?

[static kernel]

Fix Deino. Fix AI spawns. Get rid of the elder system or make it optional. Optimize the game. Balance lower level Carnivore to be able to fight other herbs. IP ban hackers

Its always the same people downvoting in General Feedback. Seems to be a trend. Very colorful trend.

[latent olive]

"Hello Developers,

I’m a big fan of The Isle and I truly appreciate the work you are doing. I wanted to share a couple of suggestions that I think could improve realism-"

im out

[frozen heron]

Accompanied by emojis with every single bulletpoint

[latent olive]

twice or thrice now ive seen it

questionable

[urban flax]

Part is from my own gamedev experience, the rest is from having been around here for several years and having watched streams, seen messages posted and had conversations with some of them in here

[vast smelt]

I see my fault it seems like I’m oversimplifying a much more complex issue

I am thankful for all the effort they put in guess misplaced yearning for more

Honestly the game they’re produced brings me so much joy to just relax and play Dino game can’t complain

I yearn for herra to carry food up trees that is all I am 14 fireballs deep no comment

[junior nymph]

the humble use of AI

[urban flax]

Np, I'm glad that you actually listened to what I had to say instead of just saying "devs glazer" and going off on more rants like a lot of people do

The game still has a lot of issues, bugs, unfinished stuff and questionable decisions, but it's a small team working hard on something they deeply care for

And that is what makes The Isle better than any AAA game could ever hope to be

It's normal to not know or understand everything going on in here outright, that's not common knowledge

[junior nymph]

I found this one funny

[vast smelt]

Ofcourse can’t be smooth brained and not adhere to reason, just frustrated cause I see the potential in the game

Thank you for taking the time to respond honestly I wish them the best I just know the this game can be amazing and is amazing

I hope quetzal is in the near future that’s my favorite Dino

But honestly the attention to detail in this game is phenomenal I wish they could open up a portal for crowd funding even if it’s not necessarily needed for more staff per say I’d still love to see them supported through the process

I’m in multiple servers where people pay 50$ a month (40+ people) just to play Rex imagine if we could funnel that into The Isle directly

[urban flax]

Devs (and especially Dondi, the director) have said no multiple times to any form of crowd funding, paid content or micro-transactions. According to them, they have plenty enough money as it is and more of it won't fix their problems

On the bright side, Quetz is closer than you might think

Iirc it's or sixth on the list of the next playables to enter the game

With trike, rex and allo being first, second and third, and austro and bary being fourth and fifth

[vast smelt]

That’s honestly awesome the more I learn the more I respect them truly a passion project not inducing micro-transactions onto the game

I just wanna grab herras outta trees as quetz nowhere is safe 😭🤣 thank you bro for taking the time to respond actually brought much needed clarity to it all

Hope you have a blessed night brother

[stray nest]

Why the hell were diets removed from eggs? Egg stealing was best way to get some diets
Or finding eggs in dinos you killed was like a christmass present in form of diets

[limber hull]

because certain people (mixpackers, clans and hackers) were using friendly trikes to farm free diets

because anything fun or cool has to be removed because some people can't allow fun

it'll likely be added back to specific egg eating creatures

[stray nest]

So? i mean there will always be a misuse of some features, doesnt warrant its removal ... and simple implementation of some rules would actually help with that ...

[limber hull]

rules dont solve the issue and never have, it's easier to just prevent stuff like rexes farming it than try and have constant 24/7 moderation for something you can easily do out of the eyes of the public

[stray nest]

Perhaps you are right. How it solves the issue of multiple PCs tho? You can just grow food on other PCs and bring it to your rex for 300% Diets xD

[fiery hill]

@mental mountain I said the same thing while don was in chat, this was his answer #isle-discussion message

[limber hull]

its a lot harder than just eggfarming was

[clever ingot]

Is allo going to get an ambush speed ??????

[limber hull]

likely not at this point

[covert pagoda]

Is nesting still impossible in HT?

[opal widget]

It works. At least nest codes, not sure about public ones

[covert pagoda]

Herrera is completely broken. Jumped on a three began flying, tleleported to the floor got stuck in an imaginary pin anymation back in tree back on floor rex killed me.

[sonic jolt]

My apologies I was wrong, this is actually a new feature on pt where if you take off from a cliff you don't actually use stamina for a few seconds

[urban flax]

@narrow cypress you spelled dibble wrong

[narrow cypress]

ahhahaha

true btw

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

not only is this really not technically viable, The Isle is NOT a game that lends itself well to procedural generation

it needs very delibirate map design to house its wide variety of creatures that prefer certain biomes and environments

[dry falcon]

[leaden acorn]

i really wish something more was done about mixpackers. call it "playing the game how you want" but its entirely uncounterable and boring to lose 4 hours of progress to something you can do NOTHING about.

[feral hill]

Snow would be rad

"Rex still has WAY, too much stam.. still over double what it used to be. It survives it's younger years way too easily... it feels like 70% of the servers population are just rexes, not something you want for an apex. We need a diversified ecosystem."
I feel this is just a problem for rn, once more apexes and other dinos join the roster, I think Rexs will lessen. Rn just Deinos and Trikes keep them in check

[gritty kernel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1447233067574890576 rex normal lmb damage has already been changed from 850 --> 700 and crush from 1000 --> 700 it doesn't need anymore nerfs

[pliant elm]

Back to Legacy where only have Apex throughout the map, yay

[feral hill]

🤷‍♂️

[silk night]

Seasons would be good, as it would also allow for different playstyles to be in effect, while also making nesting during those seasons a bit harder.

[feral hill]

2nded. Summer/late spring could mean an abundance of food to incentivize nesting

Plus easier/faster incubation

[silk night]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

@tawny crest Mind if I expand on this idea?

[elfin oxide]

what if fethered dinos like yuty or utah raptor would have buff in winter

[feral hill]

Maybe slower in spring becu rainy weather?

[urban flax]

There won't be a winter

Because gateway is a tropical island

[mental mountain]

So...wondering if that's coming or not

[fiery hill]

It would mean its not since it was scrapped

[mental mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-gif-11309961016585129914

[stray nest]

are new prime conditions already known?

[lofty pumice]

@limpid dock I love that gimmick would love to see it on another dinosaur tbh

[limpid dock]

I think it fits well on troo, since they're supposed to be very smart

Also since troo isn't the most threatening in small groups, it wouldn't be as easy to abuse as it would be on a larger animal

[wet imp]

Why

[limpid dock]

#general-feedback message

Discuss

[jaunty sable]

love the idea so much, kinda reminds me of the dog scp from that scp multiplayer game what can mimic the actual voices of players lol

[limpid dock]

Yessss, such good horror

[jaunty sable]

so if the devs are interested in that and find out how to do it then i bet troo popularity would skyrocket lol

[limpid dock]

Big fan of the psychological warfare, having the venom fog and hearing your calls mockingly repeated at you

[jaunty sable]

absolutely would love it! lol

[limpid dock]

Same!!!

[wispy wasp]

the devs really need to do something about the giant packs and mixpacks, its not normal that i have been killed 3 times on 3 dif servers by a 10-15 rexes pack that are covering an entire area and like @split bolt said, this issue should be the number 1 issue to solve. Why bothering in make balance updates when all the balance is destroyed with this mixpack-giant packs.

[pliant elm]

Removing Dibble AI fixes this problem

[jaunty sable]

no just adding a debuff could fix it
like nothing extreme, but something simple

[pliant elm]

Debuff can be used to troll

Dibble AI is the easiest and most effective way to fix it, since this AI doesn't add anything good to the game either

[wispy wasp]

they should also add some punishment mechanic to all this giant packs, like having less stam, having some secondary effects of doing this lame thing

[jaunty sable]

aka a debuff

[latent olive]

yeah sure dude that sounds like a gre

nevermind we just seperate by a few extra meters, the megapack is still on

[split bolt]

absolutely. im sick of dying to 8 people sitting in a dicord call together. and especially sick of my hunts being cut short because big rex or trike comes to save their cera or dibble friend

[wispy wasp]

but a really big one, something that really makes the gameplay of this ppl anoying, bc making them infertile, or some low debuff wont be enough

[jaunty sable]

these are things hard to solve

im glad to not be a dev and making these choices

[latent olive]

we already have the megapack symbol on scent compass

just need it to be more reliable and appear on screen naturally

[wispy wasp]

like, this mixpack completely breaks the game, and they need to do something do erase this lame way to play the game

[latent olive]

that way it can’t be abused to debuff other players

and you get plenty of warning that there’s scumbags around

let the mega/mixpack players die of boredom because everyone can see them

[jaunty sable]

a lot of mega packs and mixers do spam calls a lot to bait people in, i always go away from that direction

[wispy wasp]

ye u get a pack symbol, but i didnt know there where like 15 rexes all around hg bushes waiting for my allo to have 0 stam

[latent olive]

that’s why the megapack symbol needs to be more reliable and visible

you should be able to see a big group from kilometres away

[wispy wasp]

and also the gameplays is just running from this giant packs that are in all around the map

[jaunty sable]

sadly rn it shows up randomly, like you said needs to become more reliable 🙂‍↕️

[latent olive]

that’s due to compies I believe

[jaunty sable]

well not all around the map because i sure love hiding from them and they cannot find me ;)

[wispy wasp]

in many other online survival games when ppl start making giant groups its considered something to be banned from, this game should be the same

[jaunty sable]

yeah in nonofficial servers im sure

[wispy wasp]

like its pretty weird that on unofficial servers they got this problem solved before the devs

[jaunty sable]

because they have nonofficial rules per server?

[wispy wasp]

People who run unofficial servers with 1/1000 of the resources the developers have can still afford staff to monitor this kind of behavior, yet the developers, despite having raised millions, can’t do it. That’s pretty unbelievable.

[split bolt]

honestly they need to make apexes harder. thats the best solution,

a pachy omni mixpack aint nothing. who cares they are not gonna do jack. but a rex allo and trike mixpack? thats a problem. but if rex was harder to grow. then problem solved. make its food drain higher.
think about it. if i wanna sit in a group of 8 rexes then you best hope we got a constant suply of food. if not? then they starve and they gone now. higher food drain for apex carnivores will passivly keep numbers down.

ABSOLUTE BALANCING!

[indigo notch]

Removing dibble ai is a solution

[split bolt]

it helps alot for sure. i hate dibble ai it just benafits clans and massive friendgroups. but its not the end of the problem.

[wispy wasp]

It’s the same problem with hackers: it’s unbelievable that the community has to be the one monitoring and removing hackers instead of the people responsible for developing and maintaining their own game. And again, these unofficial servers have 1/10000 of the resources compared to the money and resources the developers have collected over the 10 years that people have been buying the game.

in any other survival game (rust, ark, etc.) the official servers are the ones that offer a more stable and safe gameplay experience than the unofficial ones, but its amazing that everything in this game is just upside down.

[pliant elm]

Sure, but it's already a big step forward

I think the only thing that can really stop Over and Mixpack is rules

Debuffs only bring more problems

[indigo notch]

@jaunty sable why u down voting just curious

[jaunty sable]

might have been misclick

[wispy wasp]

down voting every feedback that's about mixpacking ? maybe a mixpacker around us ?

[split bolt]

people down vote it because they are the ones who sit in discord calls of 10+ people.

[wispy wasp]

ye i have seen this queen down voting like 3 anti mixpack feedback xd

[jaunty sable]

stop lying, accidentally down voted nemesis' post about a server coming back without noticing and i did remove it when i went to check

[wispy wasp]

u just took out the down vote jaja LMAO i lit saw u on 3 anti mixpack feed backs

[jaunty sable]

wtf you talking about

like grow up and stop lying

[wispy wasp]

u forgot one to take out 🥀

🥀 💔

[jaunty sable]

oh no, one down vote on bees attacking people outside of sanc
will you go harass the other people who also said no?

[limber citrus]

Dondi went on a ban spree recently, got a decent amount of hackers

[wispy wasp]

harass 🥀 💔 😂 , bro wont survive on any real life situation if he thinks that harassment, better just play ur dino game for eternity

[jaunty sable]

<@&933486433342222376>

[wispy wasp]

just the true and by ur reaction u are proving me right

if u get anoyed by this u will get anoyed by everything in real life

[jaunty sable]

the fact you're harassing me over nothing?

grow up

[wispy wasp]

"cyberbulling" ahh comment

[latent olive]

what on earth is even the context

[wispy wasp]

average mixpacker

[limber citrus]

[jaunty sable]

i gave one X to a one feedback thing about mixpackers getting stung by bees and he started harassing me over it

[wispy wasp]

he is saying that im harrasing him just bc i said he is down voting all the anti mixpack feedback

[latent olive]

why should you care what they downvote

[limber citrus]

I mean people are allowed to get annoyed at things, nothing wrong with that

[latent olive]

they simply disagree with the suggestion, it’s not that deep

[jaunty sable]

legit

[wispy wasp]

and anyone can get anoyed but not everything is harrasment, thats the efect of ppl being online 24/7

avrg discord usser, calling out harrasment for everything and calling out the mods

[latent olive]

brother just leave it alone and walk away

[lusty eagle]

The moral here is that we expect you to at least treat people with respect. You're allowed to disagree, but do it respecfully.

Now let's move on.

[limber citrus]

To me it looks like you're ragebaiting, but i just got here

[latent olive]

if you’re just gonna post bait, then go to another discord server

[midnight heron]

surly there is a way to keep players from just running into water and drowning themselves every fight? ive starved 3 times in a row due to this rubbish

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

lmao

[jaunty sable]

the fear of deino, but they're a myth so...

[limber hull]

nah that doesn't stop them

if their goal is to die in the water, choosing between drowning and gator is meaningless

[jaunty sable]

well deino is just a myth after all

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I kind of like this idea, but there are some problems I could see with it. The only way Deino would perhaps safely allow Beipi to do this (apart from some sort or preset mixpack thing), is if you did indeed give Deino parasites that need to be managed

Understandably, few people are going to be ok with that.

Hipsi grazing insects off the back of a Trike is more reasonable. Trike doesn't eat Hipsi, and might appreciate the colorful company.

[crystal jolt]

I think that the parasites could be a good idea. Maybe if they were just minorly annoying, like making you do a forced idle animation out of combat.

[proven river]

@fiery gorge
#phase-three-requests message
Brochacho. Herra, Hypsi, and Ptera can all nest arboreally with no issue already

[ornate pewter]

Yeah, I do like the idea, and it conjures a cool image.

The picture is especially appropriate for a large Deino, who doesn't have much use for Beipi as a food source.

[junior nymph]

@umbral maple turn off lumen

[umbral maple]

did that and water still pitch black and with NV still only acouple feet around me

[junior nymph]

what are you playing?

[umbral maple]

deino

[junior nymph]

yea, thats just normal lol

its how the actual water material works rn

[umbral maple]

that is wild makes it impossible to hunt. how come i see streamers with perfectly clear water and all i get is literally nothing

[jaunty sable]

feedback is not bug report or troubleshooting channel

[pseudo oar]

Deino should def have more than it does now but not more than rex

[dreamy wharf]

@trail tide Please upvote this post in feedback, thanks.

[tired quest]

I understand that limiting Deino to roughly 500 bite force is meant to prevent them from running around trading blows with other playables
what deino need is smoother growing experience

[hasty ridge]

Rex sucks.

That’s all, thank you.

[limber hull]

rex sucks as in it sucks to play as? to play against? as an addition to the isle? as an animal in general?

[tired quest]

Im wondering... what if they added food sources that only certain playables below a specific growth stage can interact with? Would that help improve the AI situation?
Something like termite mounds or small schooling fish as fixed (or semi-fixed) location resources, and can not be smelled by bigger dinos

[junior nymph]

ive been doing well on it...

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what?

[hasty ridge]

Ah wrong chat sorry

[neat heath]

I just had the greatest experience ever. I was in a bush as a sub and a mixpack passed by me without seeing me..

[hasty ridge]

U lucky fr fr

[neat heath]

Yea, I was expecting at least one of the 5 rexs and trike to be hacking..

[river idol]

why shouldnt deino have a stronger bite force than rex? what are you scared you would be able to run away from you pin-slop facetank-off?

its literally a water ambusher. it has an extremely strong bite force in real life because if it cant just 1 shot a lot of things (like it does in real life, shattering skulls and legs) then something large that isnt swimming has nothing to worry about.

[midnight heron]

I agree. That would likely help. The mushrooms kinda already are that though. They need improvements

The food situation is really only bad because you starve to death so much quicker as a child than an adult. another problems derives from the size of the child too. Can’t hunt anything and scavenging is never viable.

[midnight heron]

Have you seen a size comparison of both of their jaws? Deinosuchus is much larger.

[river idol]

So we agree dieno should have a higher bite force

[mellow wave]

Ppl scared they won't be able to swim as rex and kill deinos in the water anymore

[cyan flame]

Because deino isn't designed to use bite as its main method of attack. The biteforce is in the lunge, you can lunge things up to 4-6T as adult, even larger as prime, and drown them. Giving it a higher base biteforce won't really make it do more of what it should be doing and is designed to do, rather the opposite.

[mellow wave]

Bruh wdym not designed, all his body is made for that one strong bite

[cyan flame]

They did state a rex is a rex, no matter where it goes. Deinos need to recognize that not everything is their prey, no matter if it is in water or not. See spino, or shant, or sauropods or even anky (bottom walker).

[river idol]

Deino should 1 shot galli and Omni

[cyan flame]

Designed as in game, where it's meant to use it's lunge to kill, not just biting stuff.

[cyan flame]

It does?

At least the adult ones, maybe not primes I suppose

[mellow wave]

Why not change that accordingly to other game balance changes?

[river idol]

Deino is confined to water. It having a SIGNIFICANTLY lesser biteforce than Rex is laughably unrealistic

[cyan flame]

I mean they could, but why? If deino is meant to use lunge, why change that around?

[mellow wave]

Meant by who

[cyan flame]

You can literally grab something weighing 6T or more if prime if something is swimming, that's decent killing power

[cyan flame]

... The devs that designed the deino and how it works?

[river idol]

The devs want deino to be an aquatic ambusher

[mellow wave]

And u agree with devs? Cuz i think they kinda suck at balancing their game

[cyan flame]

Which it is, last I checked at least

[river idol]

With the way the water systems are designed most things can simply drink somewhere else

[cyan flame]

They do on occassion make decisions I don't agree with, but I don't really see an issue with current deino (or well, there's lots of issues with the design of the playable, but the biteforce isn't one of them)

[mellow wave]

So basically croc should suffer cause devs that designed it and balanced it about 6 years ago said that its only way to play should be grabbing things?

6 years ago were no rexes or trikes in evrima

[cyan flame]

And you think they didn't take that into account, just because the playables weren't in game?

[mellow wave]

Deino is completely outdated and needs a major rework

[river idol]

I don’t think that there is a great reason for deino biteforce to be increased. The only reason is that for its size it is pretty weak biteforce wise compared to the rest of the roster, especially for what it is

[cyan flame]

Which would be fine, if biting was it's method of attacking and killing, but it isn't

[mellow wave]

They said they gonna change it when they add rex

[river idol]

It would just make sense to increase it. There is no reason not to

[cyan flame]

And it is going to get some kind of rework/rekit, just like stego got, but it might not be able to take on rexes and trikes anyway

Deino isn't the most scary thing in the water, or isn't going to remain so (spino will see to that)

[mellow wave]

Alr, fella, i get ur kinda special. Its hard to talk to ppl that can't learn or accept other opinions tbh

[cyan flame]

Except that it might cause deinos to use bite over lunge, in more cases where it's not supposed to, or might make it too powerful in future more aquatic oriented matchups. I don't know to be honest, but deinos issues have little to nothing to do with its biteforce

[mellow wave]

Have a goon one

[river idol]

Deino will destroy spino. Spino is peskitarian while deino is a super predator killing machine

[cyan flame]

Our spino is a JP kaiju, it has been stated to win over deino

Deinos best option was to swim away

[river idol]

I feel like the biggest change deino needs would be for it to have a better diet and for smaller deinos to be much faster on land

[cyan flame]

Smaller deinos do need a better way to survive been spotted by larger ones, yes

[mellow wave]

Basically, ignore deino, its just a food for apexes, croc is a mid tier according to erik

[river idol]

I feel like it shouldn’t lose significant land speed until it’s about 1500kg

[cyan flame]

It's not an apex, it's like stego, kind of sort of apex but not quite, and not up to power with the "real" apexes. And its not according to me, it's how it currently is in game and how the devs designed it

[river idol]

Deino was an apex and crocodilian’s are still the apex predators of their environment. It’s foolish to think deino is a mid tier

[mellow wave]

U cant even swim away fast underwater without insta losing all ur stam

[river idol]

Yea deino has barely any swim stamina

[cyan flame]

Right, IRL, but this is a game, and in game it's not. In game, it's like stego, "pseudo" apex

[river idol]

It is a game based on real life

[cyan flame]

Or close to it, but it's not on the samer power level as rex/trike/spino, it's more like stego, powerful but not that powerful

[latent olive]

deinosuchus punches down

like most gators

[cyan flame]

Have you seen the roster?

[mellow wave]

We are not talking about how devs designed, we are talking about how it realistically should be, why u keep talking about how devs design things

[cyan flame]

Because its what the devs have made in game that matters?

[latent olive]

crocodiles are the ones that go for things larger than themselves and if we’re going the realism route, deinosuchus is an alligatoroid

[cyan flame]

If you want to sit in paleo chat and talk about how real life deino was like, then sure, go ahead, but we're talking feedback on how it should be in game

[mellow wave]

Here we finally arrived to the problem

[river idol]

The only thing on the roster not real is omniraptor, and it’s based off of utahraptor

[latent olive]

alligators typically go for smaller prey items

[cyan flame]

What problem?

[mellow wave]

Its a feedback from community u monkey

[river idol]

The problem here is deino sucks

[cyan flame]

Dilo venom, troodon venom, JP raptor, JP spino when we get it, anky (indian rhino design I believe), and multiple others, hypsi, herrera climbing and dropping like it does

[latent olive]

don’t get heated, man

[cyan flame]

But you just said you wanted to talk IRL and that you're not talking how the devs designed it

[latent olive]

relax, chill, eat another deinosuchus

[mellow wave]

He does not understand the point of feedback

[cyan flame]

If it's a matter of feedback on the game, then the devs take that into consideration, as it fits their vision

[river idol]

The POWER SCALING is based off of real life. If the game is as loosely based off of realism as you make it sound then far less people would play it. Part of playing this game is how realistic it feels, that’s what makes it immersive

[mellow wave]

He keeps talking about how it's currently is in the game, i talk about how it should be

[cyan flame]

No, I do, I'm merely pointing out that the devs do have a vision and they're going to follow that, even if it might not always make sense according to you or me

[cyan flame]

And I am pointing out that how it currently is, is how the devs want it, and that adding biteforce won't fit with that vision neccesarily

[mellow wave]

And my opinion is that devs doing it wrong, u just keep saying that that's their vision

[latent olive]

oh this was a “give deino more bite force” discussion

[mellow wave]

Idk how they see a game....

[latent olive]

what does that solve besides making deino v deino more boring

[river idol]

Disregard what we THINK the devs want. Can we just all agree on what makes the most sense? Trying to say the developers want this or that is stupid because obviously no one knows what they want. Just say what you want it’s the whole point of this chat

[cyan flame]

What "power scaling"? No, I don't think it is, considering how playables work and who can and can not fight what and so o. It's not realism, nor is the game meant to be. As can be seen with hypers, neuros, tissos, gen1 "humanoid" and, again, dilo venom, troodon venom, and such things.

[mellow wave]

Solves the problem of land dinos swimming in water and only being tickled from 13.5 crocs, instantly healing any damage with gastro

[cyan flame]

Fair enough, you can think and feel that, but you're more likely to get somewhere if you at least understand the concept the devs are going for, and can provide feedback accordingly

[cyan flame]

Well, what makes the most sense depends entirely on what you want with the playable, since its a game, and we can kind of make things do whatever we want in theory (and in practice, when we get server settings, adjustable stats, and mods)

[river idol]

None of those are in the game yet. And the difference is deinosuchus actually exited so we have something to go off of. If they make deinosuchus so weirdly different from its real life counterpart than we might as well add a giga with the model of a Spinosaurus

[mellow wave]

Devs do not listen to feedback, i completely disagree with their policy and priorities in developing their product, and i will not change my opinion as they do not change theirs

[cyan flame]

Most of the critters did exist, and we know enough to tell if they worked like that or not, and most critters are not very accurate, teno being another good example

[river idol]

Yes but teno is fun, on the contrary deino….

[cyan flame]

But it's not that different, deino kind of does exactly what gators do, sit in water, jump out at target, grab target, get it into water, and drown it

[cyan flame]

Devs do listen to feedback though, they read and take it in, when and as it suits them and the game they're developing. You're free to disagree with that of course, but well, they're making the game as they want it

[mellow wave]

Deino is the one of the key differences between legacy and evrima, it should not be treated like that

[cyan flame]

Teno is indeed fun, and well designed. Deino isn't as well designed, but the issue is mostly in other areas, rather than the biteforce. And people wanting deino to be more powerful than intended

[river idol]

Deino is not fun. Can we all just agree that it needs to be changed? Theres no point n arguing what the devs want because neither of you can read their minds

[cyan flame]

Well no, but we can go by statements they've made and such, to get an idea at least. But sure, I don't think currently deino is well designed either, but I see different issues than you do

[river idol]

Biteforce isn’t an issue it’s quality of life.

The issue is it’s grown scaling, it’s juvenile and adolescent land speeds, its stamina, and it’s abysmal hunger drain despite it having the most limited source of food in the game

[mellow wave]

They keep making new, unbalanced dinos instead of making game playable, cause dondi as a grown ass child that just does whatever he feels like doing today, ignoring all promises he gives.

[cyan flame]

Yeah, most of that I can agree with, I just don't see an issue with deino not being able to scare a rex out of water, it can just ignore the rex after all, and be perfectly safe at that, unlike most other things that currently has to deal with the rex and its funny abilities

[limber hull]

prime elder deino is the single largest creature in the game atm too and is able to grab both rexes and trikes as they swim lol

[mellow wave]

Half rexes are cheaters, that can chase down deinos underwater using esp, and range bite that can kill croc sitting even on the bottom.

[cyan flame]

I don't think you'll get better responses by calling Dondi things like that, and while he's made some, interesting, decisions at times, he's not the only one deciding on things, even though he has the final say of course. And well, most new things will not be perfectly adjusted, thats why they're in the test branch, until they are in a better spot

[cyan flame]

Right, but we can't take hacking into account for how the game is, and is supposed to work

[mellow wave]

Oh i know for sure that nothing will change anyways

[cyan flame]

Otherwise I could argue stego or trike needs nerfs because someone could use a speed hack with it

But that's hardly how to go about doing things

[limber hull]

if you truly believe nothing will change, doesn't that make you the fool for saying anything in the first place then?

at that point you're admitting to an exercise in futility

[mellow wave]

Just fooling around

[cyan flame]

Game has changes a lot since it first came out though, Evrima has changed a lot since it came out, not sure what you're really asking for here

[limber hull]

also deino kit rework is confirmed, it just likely will never ever be able to compete with rexes or trikes

prime deino can drown adult rex and trike

[river idol]

I don’t understand why they’re wasting so much time reworking PT when they could’ve just tweaked some stats. Instead they should be working on deino since it’s been in the game longer, has drawn significantly more player base, and takes up the majority of the aquatic roster

[limber hull]

the new PT is absolutely incredible, it is not a "waste of time"

[mellow wave]

I just know that deino is broken and pain to play as i played over 400h as it, that's why i wanted to support crocs bite force buff, as it's small change can help solve majority of crocs problems for the time being before the actual rework will be done (in about 10 years)

[limber hull]

also pt and deino have been in the game for exactly as long what are you talking about

pt takes up the ENTIRETY of the aerial roster

[cyan flame]

How does it actually solve anything though?

[river idol]

It’s small and adds nothing to the ecosystem

[mellow wave]

Bro ahah, no, the speed of isle developing is nowhere normal

[latent olive]

they were literally added together at the same time, in update 3

[limber hull]

it being small doesn't mean it shouldn't be good? lmao what

also it is the cornerstone of flight as a mechanic and is getting a rework to quite literally interact with the ecosystem more

[cyan flame]

I didn't say the speed was great, just that the game(s) have changed since the beginning

[river idol]

It was good before an it is now worse

[limber hull]

it is infinitely better now

i have played it, the flight actually feels like a weighty flying animal with crazy fun momentum building and using your environment around you

before it was, what, circle a guy and peck 'em. great.

[mellow wave]

U said it changed a a lot, by the time that it took to change like that , good devs would've made another completed game

[latent olive]

me want to KILL and FIGHT

[mellow wave]

Look at the echoes of extinction speed of developing for example

[limber hull]

have you played echoes of extinction?

[mellow wave]

Bru

[limber hull]

i'll take that as a no

[mellow wave]

I think its in alfa test atm

[limber hull]

devs tend to not show the nitty gritty backend and prefer to show the nice shiny frontend

[cyan flame]

Well, it has changed, that's all. Maybe they could have, but Evrima is somewhat of a "new game" so there is that

[cyan flame]

Is it out, yet? I am curious about it, I'll say that much

[limber hull]

yea and i'mma be real i dont see much of anything in Echoes

like its hype value is entirely built on isle comparison

[mellow wave]

As isle devs do, i find it funny that change logs they post incluse "fix attempts" as they do so little that they even have to include undone things to seem like they are actually working on the game. Not to mention repeatedly lying in changelogs about fixing issues

Read change logs and look how they keep "fixing" same problems every time

[limber hull]

it was born in the shadow of The Isle and never deviates from that

the combat mechanics look basically the same with less weight and polish from what i've seen, it goes with the old "tribal human" idea from legacy days, the map is basically just the same thematics as EVRIMA

like you can like the game but what I've seen genuinely shows far less promise imho. it exists so that people who hate the isle have something to constantly talk about from what i've seen, because every time i see it brought up, it's in an "isle bad" conversation

yes that's game development for you

[limber hull]

believe it or not, Echoes of Extinction will also do the same thing\

because that's how game development works

every single game deals with that type of issue

[mellow wave]

I took it as an example of speed of developing, everything esle u made up in ur mind, im not gonna play that game

[latent olive]

im very pessimistic about EOE because the way people talk about it, it really does just sound like another isle killer

[limber hull]

i dont think EoE is that much faster than the isle either tbh

i think there's considerably less depth to their additions, which makes it appear faster on a surface level, but most of their current roster seems pretty much just very rudimentary

[mellow wave]

Alr look at rust in its prime, every month Major updates for 10 years straight, in earlier stages of it, i remember updates and fixes every 1-2 weeks, they insta solve all bugs and problem that community is worried about.

[limber hull]

rust is an entirely different game

they're not adding a completely new playable character or universal mechanic on a consistent basis

vehicles, weapons, sure, but entire playable animals, each with hundreds of animations, dozens of sounds and unique mechanics?

seems like an unfair comparison

[mellow wave]

Not talking about rust atm, as devs changed so did game, went into casual , idiot friendly game

[mellow wave]

Tell me u haven't seen rust 5 years ago without saying it

And what mechanics are u even talking about in the isle? They ctrl c ctrl v + change animation

[limber hull]

brother

[mellow wave]

It's not that hard to make a game as u think it is

[limber hull]

i have a degree in game design lmao

it is notably difficult, especially at this scale

[mellow wave]

And it doesn't make u good at it

[limber hull]

i have also had a career in game design

as a design management lead

[cyan flame]

Nor is it that easy

[limber hull]

they don't give that role to people who aren't at least a lil decent

[mellow wave]

Very cool, ppl can have leading positions in game dev being completely incompetent

[mellow wave]

I think after 10 years of developing the isle u prov should get better at doing it

[cyan flame]

Well, they did, Evrima is an improvement, overall, to the "old" Isle

Even though it's far from perfect and there are probably things that have gotten worse even

[shut gorge]

Dont you think its a bit premature to compare a Stress test Demo to a 10 year old game though?

[limber hull]

i do

and yet this is all i hear about it

how it's like the isle, how it's better than the isle, how it will beat the isle

[shut gorge]

I think the whole "Isle killer" thing is stupid, they're two different games and at two entirely different levels of completion. I've never liked the whole comparison thing people do or x game is better than y game, this is just peoples opinions

But EoE is not going to be like the isle, the isle is the isle, we dont need the isle 2 and there is plenty space for more games in this genre without other games having to kill the other

[shut gorge]

This is something ive always tried to discourage, but people will say what they want I suppose. EoE is not a Isle killer and never designed to be. We are doing our own thing and both finished games will be nothing alike. There is plenty space for both to co-exist, don't let rage baiters get to you

[proven river]

What.

[hollow raptor]

Hello everyone! I am a new player who enjoys The Isle currently playing on the evrima version and I run in to some isue I though I ask maybe someone know how to fix it, I play a croc and underwater seeing when there is a mist or fog or rain on top of the water but it is the middle of the day is total dark for me. Is there a setting that fix it? I understand light is less and I would see less but not pitch black I cant even see my own croc not to mention the river bank. I would appreciate the answer thank you for the attention :). Do love the game not a critic here 🙂

[latent olive]

are you using night vision

[hollow raptor]

Yes ofcourse

[latent olive]

seems like a case of bad night vision for deino

[proven river]

Yeah, I'll never understand the desire everyone seems to have for putting every game in a genre (especially this one good gods) into a mosh pit when they're very different and have different goals and design philosophies.

[hollow raptor]

This is not a night vision it is middle of the day 🙁 just raining or mist or fog

[latent olive]

yeah you can use night vision during the day, it should help you see atleast

[hollow raptor]

I use it but it is still total darkness 🙂

[latent olive]

i havent played evrima specifically for a long time now, and deino even longer than that, so im afraid i cant help much

[hollow raptor]

This is why I asked I have bad settings it is on my part or it is the game and just accept it 🙂

[shut gorge]

Its just how it goes, comparison is inevitable. But yeah, with time hopefully people will enjoy games for what they are and realise there is no need for a war

[latent olive]

if you have LUMEN on, i recommend turning it off

should provide some form of difference

[hollow raptor]

Yeah lumina is off thank you

Well thank you for listening I see it is just how it is 🙂 try live with it I guess ^^

[urban flax]

You have absolutely NO idea of what you're talking about

[normal pumice]

@final leaf Why don't you agree with my idea?

[wheat nova]

how did you implement anti aliasers so early in the games development? its really impressive to me

[shut gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-cat-typing-wfh-work-quick-type-gif-6993997855374677613

[wheat nova]

10 year old game - resolution slider👍

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-gif-12221001666588210206

[fiery hill]

exactly what i thought, with competition like PoT and the Isle and nothing new on the table? idk chief

PoT has the optimization and wide reach across all platforms, The Isle has mechanics, graphics and better combat, and EoE has nothing groundbreaking from what ive seen

[wheat nova]

graphics are dookie rn

[fiery hill]

not mine

and i have optimized settings, not the max

[wheat nova]

eoe has fast dev from what ive seen

[fiery hill]

so does pot with new dinos when you realize that each new dino is just a reskin with different stats, they just dont have the mechanics or the model quality

[shut gorge]

EoE is currently a stress test, not even demo

[limber hull]

i think the game looks good, just needs a bit of lighting polishing and grass changes, both of which they are working on

the weather effects are absolutely gorgeous, especially the new fog effects, my god

[wheat nova]

water

[wheat nova]

indeed

[fiery hill]

lumen makes a huge diff but takes a lot of fps

i dont use it

[wheat nova]

why does swamp have ocean looking water

[limber hull]

oh true, water does not look good atm, but i assume it'll get a major touchup with the double aquatics coming very shortly after this HT

[fiery hill]

water was peak in spiro

much more motion and ripples and different shades

[limber hull]

imma be real, the wavy water did not look good

[latent olive]

the oil water

[limber hull]

yea

dark black water that for some reason was choppier than a storm in the open ocean

[wheat nova]

better than whatever we have

[wheat nova]

eoe looks better

[fiery hill]

nah

[wheat nova]

not even a demo th

[limber hull]

i mean

eh? looks pretty par for the course from what i've seen

inoffensive is the word i'd use tbh

[wheat nova]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3BBv51NylUA?si=Lqdks3FsuWQMov7C

[fiery hill]

i mean any game can look hyper realistic on unreal engine, and from the streams ive seen, it looks pretty low poly, might be ppl putting it on low settings for fps tho

[wheat nova]

ik its max settings but still

[fiery hill]

I mean even pot can look like this

[wheat nova]

yeah so the isle doesnt have its graphics going for it very much

[fiery hill]

but it does, a much denser environment with better animations too

[limber hull]

like imma be real, this just looks like PoT with Isle combat

in fact, the combat looks very... slow and unresponsive? it def feels like it has the speed of PoT combat, without the snappiness and impact of The Isle

and the visuals, I genuinely could not tell what I was looking at for the first 5 seconds

those bushes do not look good lol

like if you wanted to prove the visuals were better than The Isle's, I genuinely see the opposite

[wheat nova]

its a desert what are you looking for😭

[fiery hill]

I mean i get that its new, im not talking about polishing or technical stuff

in general, the concept seems like the isle with tribal humans

[limber hull]

would the isle look better if it were in the desert?

[limber hull]

(a concept that was already The Isle's lmao)

The Isle was meant to be The Isle with tribal humans, before they changed tribals because they realised traditional, tribal humans are getting steamrolled by modern humans and dinosaurs alike

that's why we now have our sick-ass, Forest cannibal looking, tree-climbing, 8 foot tall, horrifying monster men

god bless i love the isle's take on "tribal humans"

so sick

[wheat nova]

[fiery hill]

tbh i just dont want humans in general, but modern stuff works better with all the compounds

[limber hull]

i dont really see how "being in a desert" changes anything about it lmao

[wheat nova]

the desert still looks great but im saying in general the game looks better

[limber hull]

i dont really see it

foliage looks worse and it looks decent in the absence of foliage

[urban flax]

It does look better than legacy

[junior nymph]

I mean...

[wheat nova]

ive never played legacy so idk

[wheat nova]

gad dayum🙏

😭

[fiery hill]

yeah this is more what i saw from the streams and clips

[junior nymph]

in the games defense I believe islander did say it would be optimized worse in tech demo (dunno if true ill check) but man

like if you see this and still say it looks good, then it just looks good cause it isnt the isle

no hate to eoe as islander doesnt like it compared to TI

[wheat nova]

what were ur settings?

[junior nymph]

not mine, that was UCJ. I did not pay monthly for patreon

[wheat nova]

i saw his vid the guy didnt even know to scroll up in settings

oh nvm he was on high settings aswell

maybe if he used taa wouldve looked better

[proven river]

HELL YEAH

@tropic matrix
There actually was some work done a while ago for a dynamic scar system!! (That has never seen the light of day since )

Gods I want this thing to be real so badly man...

[tropic matrix]

These would be so cool to see and show off lol

[inland vigil]

you are definitely on the lowest settings my guy 😭

[junior nymph]

hey man im just looking at videos, im an outsider

and I know tech demo will look better

[inland vigil]

ill pop in and get a screenshot at the highest with dlss then

[junior nymph]

cheers

[junior nymph]

can you do a video pretty plese? also looks nice

[inland vigil]

i do think the game is very rough around the edges and needs work but it looks rather nice in forest areas with dlss

i can do a clip

[junior nymph]

wow

<@&933486433342222376>

[urban flax]

<@&933486433342222376>

[inland vigil]

not sure what i missed but here

[urban flax]

That looks like UE5 alright

[limber hull]

it looks okay but I genuinely don't see how it looks better than The Isle's current visuals

[inland vigil]

yea it just looks like ue5, its not ugly, its not better than the isle for sure

im just defending that it does NOT look like whatever low quality crap is being sent here lmao

ill try the desert

[ornate pewter]

Yeah, the main element that draws the eye there is an environmental setting we're not used to.

[limber hull]

i mean

its PoT's environmental setting lol

[ornate pewter]

The scrub looks real sparse there, be a bummer for smaller playables trying to hide.

[inland vigil]

i promise i am still trying to get to the desert, i just have no idea where i am or where i'm going lol

[past burrow]

PLS AN ADMIN I GOT BUGGED INTO THE FLOOR BECAUSE OF SERVERCRASH AND UR /UNSTUCK DOESNT WORK AGAIN

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

Yes, the lack of food diversity for small carnivores, especially Troodon, is particularly noticeable as a freshspawn.

You can manage crabs, if you spawn near where they might be. Frogs don't seem to be spawning anymore. Chickens are usually the most reliable, they make a lot of noise, and often charge you, at least initially, making it easier to track them if they then run. Rabbits will outrun you, and can only be done if you're lucky enough to corner one.

Tacos can be killed, but aren't at Troodon spawn points, Turtles take forever, aren't common at spawn, and are just not realistic for a first solo kill.

I believe deer can one shot a freshspawn Troo.

[stray nest]

Prime conditions known or still nothing?

[neat heath]

How do migration, food zones, spawn?

Do herbi's trigger it?

[jaunty sable]

they can spawn at random

the patrol zones do not provide food for carnivores

[icy lion]

@silent badge Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers. You can apply to become an admin in #rules-and-info

[silent badge]

I'll fill out the mod form, but it doesnt sound like that's going to be in game moderation which is what my feedback is regarding. Thanks for pinging me however

[ornate pewter]

While it's probably unreasonable to ask it of new players, or even experienced players that don't normally touch Troodon, there is something rewarding about growing them in the midst of such difficulty.

[neat heath]

Servers down?

[gentle flint]

<@&933486433342222376>

Oop

[ornate pewter]

I actually had pretty cool play experience two nights ago. Spawned highlands as Hipsi, ran to new sanctuary. Missed my mushrooms (temporarily infertile), by about 30 seconds cause a young Rex was guarding area and it was foggy.

But from there in the highlands I saw a Troodon, a young Galli, and what looked like four or five little pachies, all running around highlands.

I know there's concern over how many people are solely playing Rex and Allo, but sometimes the game is still excitingly diverse.

[junior nymph]

@night hollow deino was never meant to fight apexes, its a stalemate, the deino can just go underwater rex and trike cant do anything, rex and trike go on land deino cant do anything. if you want a semi aquatic apex to tussle with trike and rex we have spino coming soon.

deinos gameplay is midtiers and under, thats why the lunge works how it does

deino is getting a full kit update with a rework after ptera so wait to see how that is,

[indigo notch]

#general-feedback message

@thin rock ah yes let’s make solo players life even harder and let’s reward clans even more woohoo

[tired quest]

I dont see the relation between them

little Timmy and his group of friends will still annihilate solo players no matter what. The current elder system only adds even more snowball advantage

[indigo notch]

If the elder system was locked behind something like nesting solo players will just be gone completely. It’s not healthy for the game. Clans will just take over even harder

At least you can have a fair fight against solo players. You don’t have a fair fight against clans

[tired quest]

honestly, I dont think there is much the devs can do to prevent KOS/ murder squad atm, the playerbase in this game is just toxic in nature

[harsh granite]

i came to ask this because why? Why tell us "hey we updated a system thats being tested in HT right now" when you dont give how to do the thing that needs testing, instead its like "have fun playing guess wtf we did" like testing it is not the goal of hord TESTING......

[stray nest]

Yep. This concept has potential to be AA+ game but indie team and indie mentality will keep it indie quality game. I am not surprised anymore though, we get what we get, the only thing that actually makes me happy that in 5-10 years AI will be good enough that any1 here will be able, with enough budget for servers and such, create his own The Isle, i guess thats when we ll see Spino and Giga for the first time and get finally something close to perfect. In the meantime, we are stuck here, but i wouldnt be too much unhappy, compared to alternatives, this is still doable.

[urban flax]

I think the point of elder system is to not know the exact requirements
If players can get prime without knowing the exact requirements, then it means they did a good job at making it intuitive
If they just told you, there would be no point

[tired quest]

oh I just ate a tiny peiace of me that just happen to rot when I eat it, better find a cliff now

[stray nest]

That will work for about week or two, then reqs. will be out there, players will figure it out and then what? change them again and again? I agree, testing means testing, and even if you forget this part, communication about HT servers being removed, all that condescending attitude about ETAs ... every1 runs their business as they see fit, but that doesnt protect you from ridicule of your sloppiness

[urban flax]

Nobody can prevent people from metagaming the crap out of every existing system, does that mean everything should be handed to them on a platter so they don't have to ?

[stray nest]

by that logic maybe devs should remove diet indicators, let players figure it out on their own just by timing their growth? )

[limber hull]

what is there to test if it's just a checklist?

like, test if my checklist works as a checklist?

how would you even test frail elder if no one is getting frail?

[stray nest]

a lot of people were getting frail, including me and my friends ...

[limber hull]

would you be getting frail if you knew exactly how to get it every time?

[stray nest]

we knew how to get prime and still got sometimes frail

[limber hull]

then do you know how to get prime?

[stray nest]

right now, nope, but before the update we did, and yet sometimes circumstances didnt allow to hit all reqs. We ended up with frail trikes, rexes, allos ...

[limber hull]

if you hit frail, then you failed the pre-requisites to some extent

[stray nest]

Well ... DUH .. ? thats what i actually wrote xD

[urban flax]

Not by that logic, no
By yours maybe

[stray nest]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-ok-okay-okay-then-got-it-gif-9590453624111727685

[fiery hill]

Honestly, ive never gotten frail once, i feel like its harder to get than prime lol

You guys should feel proud, simply playing the game as intended gives you prime, youre doing the harder achievement

[fiery hill]

Vomit sickness doesnt affect prime

[stray nest]

Did you get prime on rex or trike after update 3 days ago?

[fiery hill]

I got prime on allo twice, didnt play either trike or rex

I literally did the same route i always do, the same stuff, and I got it no issue

[stray nest]

Good to know, i heard some people been saying its harder on Rex or Trike than on smaller dinos, dont know whats true about that tho ...

[fiery hill]

The requirements didnt change, we just got new stuff to make it easier

I mean, majority of players just stay in one spot and expect to get prime

I literally circle the whole map when im growing

[stray nest]

my friend tried to do so on Rex as well the other day and failed ... some people say they have no issue, some people say they are doing same thing and cant get prime since update ...

[fiery hill]

Sanc, perfect diet, no infertile/spasm, and you just travel, and even with different routes i got it

[stray nest]

that were reqs before, update brought something because as i said, some people follow exactly this yet dont hit prime ...

[fiery hill]

Something extra for small tiers, its possible they changed the pz and mz requirements for larger animals, like increased it

Im also sure 90% of the players that say they did everything just stay in delta and visit like 1 active PZ and 1 MZ and expect to get prime

[harsh granite]

quite litterally yes, to see if doing the things actually activates it..... so yes checking that the checklist works?

Counter question, if there isnt anything to test about it why is it on the TEST server and not live branch?

[harsh granite]

How would that mean there is no point? So the point of the elder system is to do the checklist and not to achieve prime elder to avoid the sever degradation from age.

So once you figured it out you stopped trying for prime because there is no longer a point?

[urban flax]

The point of the elder system is to encourage players to behave naturally, not to encourage players to follow a checklist

People seem to have forgotten that sometimes, figuring things out is part of the fun

Tunic and Outer Wilds should be mandatory to play as educational games

[junior nymph]

@ember current

They are doing a new skin system so more colours will be added

[wintry cipher]

Im ngl im curious how hatchling skins will be handled then if parents of diff types mix

Unless you just take one parents skin now but we'll see

[jaunty sable]

yes they do mix, it happens already in evrima and ht, no reason to change it either

[wintry cipher]

They specifically are making this system to allow more colors and patterns while preventing ugly combos. So i dont think a red parent and a green parent will be able to make a christmas baby

[jaunty sable]

that can happen tho depending on how the parents are colored
if mother has red belly and father has green back they can mix and become a christmas baby

[wintry cipher]

Yeah, at the moment they can

Thats already in. Im discussing the new one

[jaunty sable]

yeah but im pointing out mixing colors is already a working thing when nesting, nested skins do not have codes so even if with new system they could still just be mixing things up the same way as before

[wintry cipher]

They could. They could also not. We know the devs dont want them mixing certain ways so my guess is they could be testing outcomes to prevent that in the new system. Doesnt matter if it stays the same its an educated guess on my part. Its not that deep lol if im wrong im wrong.

[jaunty sable]

who knows, my personal opinion is the current system works, but we haven't seen much about the new system so hard to say any more than that

[wintry cipher]

Yee. Would definetly be easier to implement tbh

[junior nymph]

@wild crescent the other grass would also take performance

but ya

[coral dust]

Hello i have questions can i get return me rex ?

[stray nest]

what do you guys think of Highlands sanctuary? For my side, good spot, good idea, terribly done. Adults just roaming free inside and picking up juvies

[wintry cipher]

Could make it more close quarters by making it as if you're navigating some washed out tunnel system. That way they dont need boulders/trees as much in a more "open plains" sanc.

[junior nymph]

@hollow falcon for one if you have lumen on turn it off, for two you picked TWILIGHT a time for 2 minutes where its extremely dark which is meant for things like dilo to help it hunt

[jaunty sable]

#general-feedback message
as they did announce how things will be wonk rn

[fossil stirrup]

rip my prime stego i guess

is the highlands sanctuary not counted as an sanct for yall too?

[wild crescent]

This grass looks worse than the old grass and is performance demanding so I think its time for a change

[junior nymph]

ik

im just saying, the new grass may also take high amounts of performance

[wild crescent]

Yes probably but i dont mean any grass specifically, just new better grass

[junior nymph]

have you seen the new grass?

[jaunty sable]

that is some nice grass

[stray nest]

water vision for deinos, wtf have they done to it?

[stray nest]

look at that deino underwater vision, i am playing new game called space croc

in a galaxy far far away, the force sensitive croc flies in hyperspace, hoping to reach Coruscant and learn the way of the Force from master Yoda

[ruby zenith]

They should remove allo pounce till they polish it and make more skill base instead of spam based

[thin rock]

It seems you didn't understand the real concept. It's precisely about making it easier for you to reach Prime, even when playing solo.

[thin rock]

And honestly, in my opinion, this Elder Prime system shouldn't even exist.

[past cave]

I love the fact theres no AI. The addition of dibble/galli AI- in theory is nice, but it sorta forces the map to be empty because everything congregates to that one location. When growing my allo I'd be lucky to find 1 person in like highlands, or swamps, as soon as I step foot in delta, all i hear is rexes, allos, trikes, maias.

[past cave]

In my opinion, I like it because it forces you to play the game and migrate along the map- like a real dinosaur probably would until they grow older and settle down in a territory before passing away

[viral abyss]

Fr when i get inside a tunnel my fps drops to 20

[mild isle]

It's likely the grass I think too </3

[deep heart]

Can't wait to try the newer, more refined grass)

[jaunty sable]

grass™

[mild isle]

I've had a lot more interaction but I believe no AI only works when servers are near full/completely full.
I got on earlier this morning-ish with no AI and you'd just starve since there was only roughly 30 people in the US servers

Would be cool if they implemented some "No AI once 50+ people in server" if that's even possible

[desert arch]

@proper mantle turn off lumen, it fixes the NV

[proper mantle]

that picture was taken with lumen off

[desert arch]

[mild isle]

@unique matrix AI is turned off on hordetesting if that’s what ur referencing

[unique matrix]

Sadly no im new but i was in the recommended migration zone for carnivores and there was no livestock.

[mild isle]

Weird, I usually see a bunch— if you’re new make sure you didn’t accidentally join a no AI server maybe

[unique matrix]

Yeah it was the official NA east 10 server I was on

[pliant elm]

@narrow cypress So, instead of nerfing Rex, you think the best thing to do is buff Allo and break the balance?

[narrow cypress]

tell me 3 dinos that allo is able to hunt pls , diablo? and ....

[pliant elm]

Now or before it gets buffed?

[shrewd ore]

The other dinos out run you and one just doesnt exist so thats the only one lol

[narrow cypress]

before i am not speaking about the buff

[pliant elm]

Previously, Allo could hunt Ceratos, Diablo, Maia, Teno, Sub-Rex, etc

Well, it will all depend on your skill with it

[paper galleon]

with 32 km/h, yeah true XD

[narrow cypress]

Maias? only if the maia wants to fight lmao , ceratos i agree with you but in real game the max ceras is 5 so are gonna be able to hunt allos , Tenos out runs allo ver very easy , sub rexs true he can , Diablo true but the max dibbles are 6 and allos 3 to put in context

[paper galleon]

cera 35 km, maia 39, teno 35, sub rex have 45-50 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD