general-feedback-discussion

[junior nymph]

fair enough

[sage harness]

i agree on that

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message to be fair I expected a 50/50

Not like votes matter for anything though

[wet glade]

@daring talon I think that the „invisible hackers“ are the bugged out Boars who are invisible u can see there physical body stuck in T pose but there actual ai is still active and can still do damage and move around

I could bee wrong but I always got damaged in the area where the bugged boar was

[frank notch]

Im so confused as to why people dont want dryo to get a buff...

I'm not asking to buff its combat or health, just its speed or something until they get burrowing.

They are one of the most neglected dinos in the game as of current.

[lone badger]

I think the cera bite hit marker is to big keep getting killed by them biting air near me

[strange wave]

its less that dryo doesnt need a buff
more that your suggestion is just flat out incorrect in many ways

and thus using it to re-balance dryo is a bad idea

for example, dryo and troodon move at the exact same speed

and dryos dodges dont use any stamina at all

[frank notch]

Troo is half the size of dryo, how does that disprove it?

Troo has venom that covers its approach in combat, along with its small size making it a pain to hit.

[strange wave]

...
because they are the same speed

[frank notch]

All of the other small critters have gotten something to help them keep up.

Dryo has been left in the dust for the most point. I'm not asking for a blessing, im just asking for something small to give them a better time in the current roster.

[strange wave]

and dryo thoroughly outruns allo, which seems to have been the main point of your sgugestion

[frank notch]

then that is my error, but my suggestion still stands.

[strange wave]

dryo is getting burrowing in the future

[frank notch]

When?

[strange wave]

the future

same as everything else

[frank notch]

Thats my point

What about the now?

Barely anyone plays dryo because most other dinos are just better.

I'm not asking to make it over powered, just to give it some stat adjustments for the time being until burrowing is implemented.

then they can revert it

Can you understand my point?

[vernal path]

No one cares about dryo because dev cycles eat resources and why would anyone prioritize said resources to Dryo? Out of all the playables why give DRYO some attention? It's not broken. So, Why? Please justify the reallocating of resources to dryo from literally any other dino currently being built/improved. The fact that you had no idea dryo easily outruns allo just goes to show your solipsism on the matter.

[limpid bear]

cause dryo deserves it , its been neglected

[vernal path]

Are you trying to pull heartstrings by anthropomorphizing a dinosaur in a videogame? What does the neglect have to do with anything that matters? Is that a metric that should drive the decisions of a business venture? What exactly is being argued?

[limpid bear]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-gif-14388455000161185145

[vernal path]

lol, totally got me fam. fml

[limpid bear]

brud why are u so serious

[hybrid pike]

just genuine question, is someone working on the ai that are bugged for carnivores?

[quartz thorn]

The AI ​​isn't working.

[dusky tundra]

Sure doesn't feel like. This has been a known issue for a week or more and nothing is being said or done about it. It's disappointing that devs haven't acknowledged the issue or tried to fix it.

[daring talon]

nah i didnt see any t posed boar, was a tposed chicken but i was a 150 kg baby rex and got like 4 shot

[hybrid pike]

they do have a lot on their plates im not trying to start a fire under them cause i know they do their best but im sure they have someone doing something maybe there are A LOT of bugs rn anyway its a work in progress

[wet glade]

hmm dang then i guess you are right it is a hacker. 4 shot a boar would need more hits right ?

[daring talon]

at that size i think so, i was in the sanctuary by river delta too and ive yet to see a boar in a sanctuary

[dusky tundra]

Acknowledgement of the issue and letting us know if they are working on a fix would be nice.

[hybrid pike]

i agree with you as well
but, i hope soon something will happen lol

[icy lion]

It was acknowledged

[wintry cipher]

As annoying as the logs might be they are great at making forests actually viable for smaller dinos to live in without the need of other terrain and rocks. If youre paying attention while being chased you can just hop them and get a lot more distance to lose predators. Ive used that to full effect when being chased by allos as a teno, and if an allo or rex fails to ambush me when theres tons of bushes to block me seeing them, its entirely justified that id be able to escape by using my terrain in a smarter fashion than they did. The logs are an awareness check. You shouldnt go straight through foliage blindly. Thats how you end up flying off cliffs.

[dusky tundra]

Do you know where?

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[north reef]

Am i only one who just got stomped by literally no one in water when i play as deino ?? i was on river bed then i got stomped ? wtf is that ?

[faint folio]

@supple pine I agree, the night vision is horrendous. The thing is... Irl, animals are either asleep at night, or they compensate with other senses. You don't see diurnal animals walking off cliffs at night lol.

That gives me an idea, though - what if smelling at night "lights up" the screen for a period of time? Specifically, it renders terrain so you can see where you're going. But other players are only shown where they were when you were sniffing last, at least until they got close. Also, most diurnal animals have terrible night vision, but can still see movement much better than still shapes... Maybe there's a way to implement that into a game so that it feels like that for players

[paper galleon]

@blissful oasis nothing?

[limber hull]

Yea why give the underplayed, underdeveloped and incomplete animal some actual reason to play it, huh? Why put aside resources for a mechanic several dinosaurs will use, cuz dryo is the only one who'd use it and dryo is useless.

There is no necessary justification beyond the simple fact that this animal is not to the same standard as every other animal and lacks the same amount of polish and depth as them. I hate the narrative that if it were an apex being worked on, then it's 100% okay because "big thing important, little thing not".

[wintry cipher]

Tbh im very curious if just making nights black and white for herbs would both make it more visible for play, and allow carnivores to camoflauge for an advantage at night in the foliage. It already exists, the screen is just black. There needs to be something worthwhile in the game loop for that downtime and a clearer answer on if the devs want diurnal herbs and carnivores resting, or if they have something else in mind

[faint folio]

Yeah, very much agreed

[wintry cipher]

It would also make gamma virtually pointless potentially

[vernal path]

So it's an emotional belief/justification?

"There is no necessary justification beyond the simple fact that this animal is not to the same standard as every other animal" Huh? what standard? who's standard? "Yea why give the underplayed, underdeveloped and incomplete animal some actual reason to play it, huh?" A few rhetoricals. Is it underplayed because it's underdeveloped, or vice versa? Is it the only dino that fits that description, & if not it brings us back to the question WHY?

[limber hull]

it's not emotional, idk why you're portraying it as such

it is quite literally an animal with parts of its kit literally incomplete or absent. It lacks vital elements of its core gameplay experience that are meant for its overall enjoyment and survival chances.

Also why what? Why is it incomplete? Because burrowing hasn't been done yet, and based on your statements, I'm surprised you care since you believe it to be such a waste of time to even focus on it.

[faint folio]

Hypsi was in a very similar state in terms of basically being non-existent until they worked on it and added climbing. It's reasonable to assume that giving dryo it's missing mechanics will help make it more popular in the same way

[gusty flax]

@real mural #general-feedback message probs a speed hack lol

or you was small

[cyan flame]

Would it even take much to, for example give dryo a few more dodges, or just a faster recharge on the two it has, plus maybe some tweaks to stats if neccesary? Would that require a lot of dev time and energy, since that's apparently an argument here?

[real mural]

Every Gallie I have had, has been out run by other players. I just died even with a flock call.

fix the gallie speed, fix the speed hacks.

[indigo notch]

Speed hacks are fixed

[real mural]

And yet I was run down as a gallie with a flock boost and being well fed? ARe gallies just slow now?

[pliant elm]

I remember Galli being fast in all stages of growth, starting as a fresh spawn at 60km

Was Galli nerfed?

[real mural]

I dont know, that is why I am asking. Its odd I keep getting effectively ran down by various predators.

Past 5 deaths, ran down.

[gusty flax]

dawg atleast not down ur speed since the menu litteraly tells u

[real mural]

Keenly aware of the menu telling me my speed.

If speed hacks are fixed, and Im the fastest in the game - how is it my past 5 deaths as a gallie in the past 24 hours were all being ran down by predators?

[gusty flax]

but i dont think galli is at slower than 35km/h

which is what allo is

[real mural]

Yet people claim speed hacks are fixed.

[gusty flax]

cose galli isnt the fastest lol

[real mural]

Who is?

Fed + flock call boost + full run = still died

[gusty flax]

i think carno is faster when charging

but cant remember

then u probs dieing to speed hacks

[pliant elm]

Galli is faster when using the F call in group

[real mural]

had a group, was calling - we both died

[gusty flax]

true but u need 2 people

[real mural]

we were grouped doing the flock call

[gusty flax]

its either skill issue or speed hacking

[pliant elm]

Yes, yes. without that, Carno is still faster using charge, running at 59km/h.

[real mural]

given the distance I had....Im betting speed hacking

[gusty flax]

also depends

like how long into the fight u died

[pliant elm]

Galli using F call can run at 70km

[gusty flax]

cose galli doesnt have burst speed

[real mural]

I was already in a full run, while fed, and flock call in group

[gusty flax]

it gradually gets faster

[real mural]

aware

[gusty flax]

did u clip it/

[real mural]

nope

I stopped playing for a while and just came back to play gallie again. I dont mind dying, thats kind of the fun of being a gallie - but seeing a gallie just become dead weight free food is boring.

Speed is the only thing they have.

[covert lantern]

Speed Hacks exist

I remember 2 Situations where I shouldnt been dead lol 1 once a sub rex trotted my carno (75%) down and Rexes trot speed is not faster than Carnos also he was esping even got a Clip lol

Prime allo (idk if Peak prime) Hunted down my fresh sub allo

Prime allo is like 38-39 on peak and sub on peak is like 41 and he was noticable faster than I was

(They exist they are just like Not more than 5kmh mostly)

[covert lantern]

Carno is 55kmh on prime and Charge does give it a 20% speed boost

That makes it 66 with Charge on peak prime

[desert arch]

Prime elder carno while charging can be faster than a flock boosting galli

It charges at roughly 70km/h

[daring talon]

#general-feedback message
concept art showed allo NOT catching cerato in the water

[thorn grove]

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

istg some people treat a day without updates the same as a day without water lol

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-water-spongebob-heatwave-hot-gif-12150719

[grim yew]

eh it's likely due to things being game-breakingly borked in HT rn

[west tiger]

This is a horrible idea. I don't want every person in the game to see my steam id

[real mural]

Whats with migration zones having no food? This is after a long sniff, every direction is bare.

[junior nymph]

<@&933486433342222376>

[real mural]

migration zone + alt food spot atop each other...and still no food - starving

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message its been a day lol

[real mural]

Wild

Just lost my long term gallie to starvation.

[junior nymph]

you could have just grazed

[real mural]

wasnt working / coming up

[junior nymph]

were you near grass? you need grass to graze not jungle foliage

[real mural]

yes - I ran through open fields looking for spots

[junior nymph]

you dont need it to come up, its just grass then hold e

look at my dibble for example, i cant see the graze option but I can still graze

[real mural]

Too late now, typically the grass you graze on was set to have a prompt good to know the change. Still done change the lack of food in migration

[uneven flint]

is there still a hacker problem in official?

[junior nymph]

not on hordetest, but on evrima yea

[latent olive]

it DOES say "with permission"

i still do not like it at all though

[west tiger]

still if u cant talk to them in the game chat how are they gonna know you want their steam id? not everyone checks discord to see if someone asked about the dino they're playing

[proven river]

@left willow
#general-feedback message
And what do you propose for if you're defending yourself against mixpackers as a herbivore, and win?
This idea wouldn't be good for solo players, because mixpackers could hurt/knock down other herbis and let their carnivore buddies kill them, and if the solo player defends themselves then they're just screwed

I'm certain there are other reasons I'm missing but that's just what I thought of on a dime

[left willow]

A suggestion is that the debuff doesnt apply if you're not the first to attack

If a canni herbie attacks you enough to get the debuff, the debuff goes to them and not to you

[limber hull]

so what if they're just destroying your nest so that you attack first? you just let 'em? or what if you're defending/avenging the child they killed? not allowed?

[left willow]

If they killed your child they're debuffed themselves so that's already silly of them. About the nest I didnt think of anything like this. Didnt think people would go to the point of destroying nests of their own species.

[limber hull]

you underestimate isle players

what about if a rex constantly moves around and kills everyone around the MZ then retreats to his trike friend? anyone who mishits the trike or hits the trike in general is going to get a debuff, and the trike can just stay sparring and blocking for the rex

debuffs aren't disuasion for mixpackers, they're opportunity

how can i use this to make my opponent's life harder or just troll?

if you're thinking of making a mixpack solution, you have to think like a mixpacker. how would you get around it or abuse it to troll people? what fun ways are there to really mess with people and screw em over?

if you're thinking like a regular, casual player, you'll never make the perfect solution

[left willow]

I'd suggest the debuff to only apply if you deal x damage to another one of your species to avoid debuffs against accidental friendly fires and such

[left willow]

I came up with that idea because the same trike killed my trike for no reason whatsoever and canni herbies are annoying as hell, especially when herbies were supposed to play in groups

[limber hull]

when it comes to trike, i kinda get it

food competition is going to be high. if it weren't for grazing and the crutch of PZs, a lot of trikes would be fighting over food and likely killing each other for it

[left willow]

That connects with migration zones and Dondi's idea of not wanting players to stay in the same place for too long. If there's not enough food herbies gotta go to the next area in groups

[limber hull]

dondi wants herbis to fight over it lol

[left willow]

https://tenor.com/view/drinks-i-give-up-forget-it-gif-20642386

The "this isnt a pvp game" wants herbivores to fight over food, something that.... doesnt really happen. Herbivores migrate. But ok.

[limber hull]

if you're a bigass herbivore, you're gonna eat a lot of food, and sometimes there isn't enough to sustain everyone

the game isn't currently set up to support conflict because grazing and PZs overshadow it

but the intent is very much for apex herbiores to be territorial and confrontational over food reserves

[left willow]

So herbies are supposes to be territorrial and yet to become prime you need to walk around the map because he doesnt want people to stay in the same place.

Not to mention your dino makes noises if it stands still/sits. Everything to stop people from being sitting on the same spot. So many contradictions

[limber hull]

well not every herbivore is a colossal glutton

a dryo can just snack off the same plant trike inhales

[left willow]

But the colossal herbies (trikes and stegos) are the ones normally used by mixpackers

I honestly think there should be more food and group of herbies should be encouraged because there really aren't enough herbivore players around. I've literally never killed a herbie on the many times I player as carnivores 'cause I only find other carnivroes.

[limber hull]

i think a bounty of food is not what we want at all, if anything, it's the opposite

carnivores are played BECAUSE they're risky, they don't know when they're getting their next meal, they have to fight tooth and nail, there's STAKES to their survival

herbis? they eat grass, they get PZs, they get MZs, they can have megapacks even as the largest species and still be chill. increasing the food, genuinely, would make me believe that LESS herbis would play

there's no stakes

[left willow]

The thing is the stakes can be pretty high for a herbivore when you can't trust neither carnivores nor other herbies, even those of your own species. The stakes can be that the diet keeps changing places as the migration zones change. Isnt that how it used to be?

[limber hull]

ehhhh, diet changing isn't really... stakes

like oh no this food may stop being nutritious in like an hour

then a PZ spawns on you and you're fine

[left willow]

The stakes can be in herbies needing to keep migrating and every creature knowing where the mzs are, therefore carnivores go there after the herbies, making it a hot zone

[limber hull]

because PZs for some reason spawn directly on top of herbivores

[left willow]

( the stakes are in not being able to see a stick in front of my nose lmao what is thisssss xD )

[limber hull]

ehhhhh

like again, it's just kinda... bleh? like again, said carnivores need an opening, and if you have like, 6 trikes, no amount of anything is breaking through that bastion besides the trikes turning on each other

and the best way to make that happen is food concerns

[limber hull]

i wouldn't call those stakes at all, that's just an oversight in game design that is provably... not good

[left willow]

I was joking, tho I did almost die right after posting that

[left willow]

Idk I don't find fun in fighting same species. If they're bigger, they win, basically.

I just think migration zones being full of herbies can be of interest of carnivores, like how the dibble ai zone is abouffet for rexes. Yes they're kinda dumb unlike real players, but if there are plenty of herbies in one place I can see rexes going there to try their shot and even maybe doing a little temporary truce to hunt them

[signal pawn]

does anyone else find the glowy effect of their stats on the bottom right uneccesary, distracting, and a little obnoxious? I also dont know why they're changing protein, Lipids and Carbs to A B and Y it seems unnecessary especially when the scent map shows the og symbols

[limber hull]

the dibble AI is a huge step in the wrong direction imho, applying the issues with herbis onto carnis

[left willow]

I like the idea of dino AIs if they're splattered around the map and not constantly spawning in the same place

But what I mean is carnivores go where they know there'll be food (herbies)

So if mzs are the only places herbies can get diet they're gonna go there, the carnis will go after them, and those are the stakes for both parties

And when I mean diet I mean food in general. Imagine all around the map you can only graze and only in MZs there are fruits and diets. That's the scenario I imagine when I say there could be plenty of food. It's a lot of food so the herbies dont need to keep killing each other, but the food keeps changing places.

[limber hull]

except they aren't, PZs exist to just avoid that

[left willow]

It'd work like the great migration herbivores do in Africa

[left willow]

Ugh I don't see the point of PZs

[limber hull]

i somewhat get them

i like the freedom to not have to stay in one place all the time

but the fact that they both spawn directly on top of you and are often better than MZs and are easy as hell to get and spawn

yea uh, not great for the gameloop

[left willow]

yes, and if food spawns on you that also goes against Dondi's idea of herbies being territorial according to what you said

why would I bother being territorial when there's free food spawning on my head now and then

[limber hull]

well yea, that's why i have a problem with PZs, but they're confirmed to get a rework

#general-feedback message @signal pawn

scav rex was deconfirmed ages ago, it was written by a paleontologist who HATED it so he called it a disgusting rot-eating scavenger that actually sucked at hunting until someone looked at rex and went "no this entire animal was built to hunt"

[left willow]

Are we sure?

I'll take AI's word with a giant rock of salt but looking up this is the first thing that appeared

[signal pawn]

Oh interesting, but ima still suggest that because the t rex is so freaking weak at its young age it cant hunt

[limber hull]

it's right abour horner, but horner made the theory cuz he did indeed hate rex

i believe he mentioned it in passing

[left willow]

I also think it's valid 'cause such a massive carnivore that also can't run much wouldnt be too picky with what it eats

[limber hull]

it also has literally every AI and herbivore on it's diet lol, I think it's good

oh and omnivores, it has those too

[left willow]

At high age even boars give like 2% food and herbies are nowhere to be found. It's kind of a waste of good food only Ceras can eat rotten (iirc)

[limber hull]

deinos can too

and megalania will likely be able to (whenever it's added)

[signal pawn]

this, plu speople mainly play carnivore which oddly enough isnt on the diet not even the smaller ones unless I missed thsoe

[latent olive]

LIZAR MENTION

[limber hull]

The devs are moving away from carnis eating carnis

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message never understood the ui hate

[junior nymph]

@valid osprey play HT

the issue with hackers is pretty much gone apart from the dumb ones like ESP but you cant really get rid of that, you can just nullify people using it, the devs have done like 3 massive banwaves

[indigo fossil]

Some people care about what they see

[icy lion]

@valid osprey Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[wind mesa]

@tropic matrix #general-feedback message are they really insisting on making the diets those greek symbols? no wayyy....

[tropic matrix]

seems like it lol

[wind mesa]

that is... certainly a decision. i am very confused on how they will make the health bar redundant for immersion, but then make those greek symbols instead of what we had before: the chemical structures of each molecule. for immersion?

[tropic matrix]

It used to be easy to see what diet was which, now they all look the same, and the hexagons around all of them don't help..

[wind mesa]

the fact that they are also glowing really adds to the confusion. had to stare at that for a good 3 minutes before i could figure out what was actually there

[tropic matrix]

yeah, even worse when there is meat mixed in there and just can't see it.
for all i know i could be running straight to a body when i only wanted some plants

[timid basin]

servers and allo dying for no reason fixed?

[iron knoll]

yes

[bright halo]

What if ya hit your own on accsident ?

[obtuse wing]

Why, my God, why do we still not have redwoods?

[cunning crown]

@vagrant phoenix about your last feedback, I kinda agree with all you said but the "remove safe ponds" since they are a perfect spot for terrestrial predators

[real mural]

Ive seen this happen a few times. Herbie mixed pack, a predator attacks, and in the fight friendly fire happens. Friendly fire is a thing.

[pliant elm]

@long edge cera 2tons?

[long edge]

ya prime is 2.1 tons now

[pliant elm]

serious?

[pliant elm]

My God

Wft dondi is doing

It's impossible that he wants Cerato to fight Allo xd

The next buff is to make the Cerato fly

[long edge]

yes lol i would not be surprised

[vagrant phoenix]

true but right now im thinking about removing the safe ponds that cant fit an adult deino.

#general-feedback message @long edge they fr buffed cera weight to 2 tons?

[indigo notch]

Why does cera keep getting buffed after every patch

[vagrant phoenix]

Did they actually buff its weight again

[real mural]

I like that the cera charge is faster than even a Gallie at top speed with full buffs. Clearly, needs more buffs for cera.

I wonder if buffs are based on whatever the Devs like and are currently playing.

[vagrant phoenix]

This is so unbelievable for me but yet unsurprising

[vagrant phoenix]

no for real i think cera still has the colors from live branch evrima, last time i played

[cyan flame]

Prime apparently, if that makes it better or worse, I don't know

[vagrant phoenix]

2 tons

2...

[real mural]

Devs like something = flavor of the moment with tons of buffs

[vagrant phoenix]

youd think theyre buffing cera to rival with allo but all theyre doing is making things like teno, maia and dibble extinct unless theres many of them

[pliant elm]

Why not?

Nerf troodon juv speed

[real mural]

Try playing a gallie without the ability to hold the speeds needed to beat most predators unless you do extensive work to keep it up and have a flock you are grouped with?

Or the poor Dryo - too many dinosaurs feel like flavor of the month favoritism that get buffed then nerfed into the ground when a dev doesn't like them.

[indigo notch]

Since when is galli speed an issue

[vagrant phoenix]

yeah whats this galli talk

did they nerf that too

[real mural]

My bud, either people are speed hacking or......my last 5 deaths are pure skill issue. Admittedly, the 6th was proving a point about food in migration zones not being done right.

[indigo notch]

What caught you as a galli?

[real mural]

Ive gone over this and speed for various dinos before. Ive been run down at full speed in a chase through thick brush and forests without me doing anything as weak as doing a straight line run.

Every Gallie death as of late, Im run down - last one was even with flock call boost.

[indigo notch]

I mean if it’s against carnos then it makes sense, especially prime carnos. Other than that nothing should really be catching up to a galli, not even juvie Rex at a max speed of 57kmj since I believe galli is faster with F call buff

[vagrant phoenix]

unless you were below 60% stam when the confrontation started and he was tracking you

[real mural]

The flock call only works if you are lucky enough to have a group by the way - so many gallies never get that speed

[indigo notch]

You talking about juvie Rex?

[real mural]

100% stam at the start of them all

[vagrant phoenix]

galli

[vagrant phoenix]

and did you manage your stam at all? I assume you did

[indigo notch]

Yeah I know but what’s tracking a galli that has 60% stamina left other than carnos

[real mural]

Making the gallie speeds needed to outrun many predators dependent on a flock call is pretty lame by itself, as most game play in all my many hours playing its difficult to get one, stay together, and survive. A lot of play is solo, which means pretty simple eating.

[limber hull]

it's funny, i think i know exactly WHY a bunch of the weights were changed in such a way, and it's ironically not cera favouritism

it's why omni's weight got nerfed, cera's got buffed, allo's adult got nerfed while its prime got buffed, all of these weights were inaccurate to the in-game animal size

what they've done is they've taken animals that are either too dense or too lightweight for their size and made their weights accurate to their models, across the board. i spoke to a QA member and they confirmed this is a large reason for the changes

[vagrant phoenix]

Cera has good sniff distance, if the cera manages their stam while youre already 60% stam they have a chance to catch you, i think, but im pretty sure its impossible to run down a galli, as galli you can run till 60% stam then everytime you go above 60% start running again and always stay above 60%

[real mural]

Keenly aware of how stamina works

[vagrant phoenix]

.....

[vagrant phoenix]

yeah then i cant know what happened

[limber hull]

so it's not cera bias as much as it is fixing an inaccuracy in the models to weights

[vagrant phoenix]

couldnt they have changed the model size instead???

[limber hull]

it's still HT, I think the overall goal was just a universal sweeping change to every inaccurate model

then work on balance after the fact

[vagrant phoenix]

we hope

[real mural]

my best guess is speed hack, or gallie speeds are broken

[limber hull]

like the amount of weights changed were quite a few

it wasn't just cera

[wintry cipher]

I suppose that makes sense. At least with HT it could change again next patch its just startling atm

[indigo notch]

I really dislike Omni getting nerfed

He was already one of the weakest elders

[vagrant phoenix]

Hopefully their models get a size increace if they want to make their weight accurate to their models

[cyan flame]

I think the elder actually got a buff, the prime at least

[indigo notch]

It just doesn’t make sense. The prime model didn’t even seem like a problem for 580kg

[indigo notch]

Didn’t he go down from 580 to like 480

[cyan flame]

I heard the opposite, but yeah, emphasis on heard. I don't know. I guess we'll find out when someone grows a new omni and reaches prime

[limber hull]

ironically, i always thought omni's weight was obnoxiously high for its size, and looks like i was right lmao

[indigo notch]

But that’s such a lame excuse to nerf him as they did

[limber hull]

i don't think it's an excuse lol

[indigo notch]

I get the allo buff for prime tho, he was too huge just to be 3.5 tons ngl. Now that he’s 3.9, when his pounce and bleed gets fixed I’ll put out a suggestion on how strong/weak he is

[pliant elm]

Dibble received weight buff too?

Because it doesn't make much sense for dibble and Allo to have the same weight in prime

Well, not that I expect anything logical from the dondi

[wintry cipher]

They apparently changed weights to better match the size. We'll probably see tweaks going forward

[indigo notch]

Not sure but if it did I haven’t heard anyone talking about it

[wintry cipher]

Like- is prime cera bigger than prime teno visually? I wish we had an easy way to check that

[limber hull]

(ironically this entire change was made for the sake of logic lmao)

since a lot of animals were unrealistically dense or light, which this aimed to fix

[pliant elm]

The change was made in an attempt to match the model, but it ends up significantly altering the balance

What will happen to Carno? Will he also receive a 2.1t pea buff? Because Carno Prime model basically the same size as Rex

[narrow cypress]

True the carno prime is three times bigger than cera

[urban flax]

Omni is not full of lead anymore
Praise the Replicator

I love the fact they're finally taking a look at the density of dinos and trying to make them make sense

[indigo notch]

Kinda need to look at Rex ngl. His juvie/sub scale is pretty bad

[limber hull]

where the hell are these numbers coming from lmao

"same size as rex"
"three times bigger than cera"

no???

[narrow cypress]

A 900 kg carno and a 1800

[pliant elm]

Take a look at the live stream where Dondi shows the Elders

Carno is practically the same size as an adult Rex

[paper galleon]

it's been several times that you only comment on stupid things that make it obvious that you don't play almost any dino and they always show to you with pics and evidences and you keep saying stupid things about other things, the only thing I see of you is saying that what others say is a lie but when they show it to you, you shut up and don't write about it again, please, if you don't know, just shut up, it's okay to ask but but you have already done it several times, please stop

[paper radish]

Why would they nerf Omni weight but buff its prime weight

[limber hull]

to more accurately line up with model size

[paper radish]

But the jump to 650 or whatever it is doesn’t make sense to me

[limber hull]

i have not seen a single "pic or evidence" to support the claim that carno is as big as rex or three times larger than cera, but thank you for the kind words

[paper galleon]

Did you know that cera is more or less as tall as the feet of carno?

[narrow cypress]

.

[narrow cypress]

That carno is 3 times bigger than a cera xddddd

[limber hull]

where is the cera to prove that statement lmao

i dont think you realise how much "three times" is

[paper galleon]

obviously it's an exaggeration bro, do they have to explain it to you?

[cyan flame]

Going to point out, size is weight/mass, not height or length

Something shorter can still be heavier

So if you're arguing the whole "x is as large as y", keep in mind, it's not visual "size" that determine the stats

[paper galleon]

we are talking about height @cyan flame

[cyan flame]

Right, but height has nothing to do with weight/mass, and earlier, they were talking about the weight

[cyan flame]

This one, for example

Because I'm going to guess prime carno is not actually built like a rex, even if it might be almost as tall

I'm just trying to clarify, because actual size refers to mass, not visual

So saying "carno prime is three times bigger than cera", are we talking visual, build/mass, actual stats. All three different things

[limber hull]

clearly the answer is "shut up and stop talking" lmao

[pliant elm]

Carno and cera

https://youtu.be/Rb2czTqTHHM?si=Xq1D639snjrNC0FT

If they are taking the model into account when determining the weight, Carno should also weigh 2 tons

[cyan flame]

Cera might be more compact?

Carno isn't built the same way cera is, after all

You can't measure purely on visual/height/length, cause that's not the same as the mass

[pliant elm]

Just a little more compact, nothing extreme

[cyan flame]

Maybe carno will be adjusted too then, they are apparently planning to change a few more critters around

[limber hull]

that is not three times bigger lmao

it's not even two times bigger

[pliant elm]

That's exactly why Cerato shouldn't have 2.1t, He doesn't look that heavy either

[limber hull]

well it... it does

[cyan flame]

Maybe not, but apparently, judging from the change, it is more accurate

[limber hull]

because the way weight is calculated is quite literally off the model values itself

there is an in-house system that gives model proportions and thus provides an accurate weight based off that

in fact, anyone can do it if they get the models and learn how to

i know for a fact there's a QA member who does this themselves

elder cerato is realistically 2.1 tons going off its model

same as how omni was for the longest time way too dense

[pliant elm]

If Cerato weighs that much, then Carno weighs at least 2 tons, since it is extremely larger, even though he is more "compact"

[cyan flame]

Then carno will probably be adjusted too

[pliant elm]

I hope so

[limber hull]

i mean... most of that size is just leg tbh. it's just kinda tall, cera has a lot more overall density

[pliant elm]

To be honest, it would be best to leave everything as it was instead of doing this xd

[cyan flame]

Maybe, but they do want the model/size to make sense

Now if only they would let stego be full sized, but alas xD

[pliant elm]

Allo needed a model change to make it smaller, not a weight buff... Now they're going to have to increase the weight of practically all the elders

Honestly, I think it would have been easier to do this instead of the weight buff

[cyan flame]

Maybe we'll get TLW stego then? xD

[pliant elm]

That's because it will drastically affect the balance

[pliant elm]

Maybe. I think Stego will also have his weight increased

[cyan flame]

Would be funny if so, but I doubt it

[pliant elm]

Do not doubt anything anymore

Next update Cerato will fly xd

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i do like how they say "each dino has a unique gimmick" then bring up dilo being a "pack hunter with venom". So... like Troodon? lol

[gentle lichen]

They have a very different gameplay tho

[gentle lichen]

I swear

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194686206747873300/1436129790238392413/image.png?ex=690e7b97&is=690d2a17&hm=7ca86a0e1e8d3bf11f4924f23f1f3e8e1f18682af94851612aba7381904c2fb0&

[fiery hill]

I wonder if dinos were to get nerfed in weight would their models get smaller going off of this

[sour knoll]

If bary is atleast 1,6 tons when fg this is gonna be soooo good

[cyan flame]

Yes, see carno

[fiery hill]

yeah interesting so we might see allo for example reduced in size as prime

[sonic jolt]

Yeah, why change the roster to accommodate 1-2 new dinos.. just change the new ones

They're just creating more work for themselves

[cyan flame]

Did it lose weight in prime?

[sonic jolt]

Gained weight, normal is 2.6 and prime 39

[cyan flame]

Ah, then the weight is probably matched to the size then

[sonic jolt]

With bite force, ignoring pin speed debuffs, grapple, extra speed- prime allo is 69% stronger than default

[fiery hill]

its 3.9 as prime, im talking about in the future if it gets nerfed. cuz theres a big difference between fg and prime allo

[cyan flame]

Oh okay, then yes, from what I've understood they're matching the weights to sizes. But if they change their minds, then size would be adjusted, as carno was when it went down to 1300 or what it is at now.

[sage harness]

fg allo and prime are now two complete different tiers

[queen reef]

2.1 ton cera?wtf?What will the next buff be? Wings, 1500 damage? Trodon's venom? Bone breaker?

[limber hull]

its weight is just getting buffed to match its model size for consistency sake. it'll be balanced around the fact later, calm down lol

[indigo notch]

Why not just decrease the model size

I guess it’s just easier to adjust stats than adjust models

[limber hull]

yea, and they wanna test stuff and see how stuff works out

[icy lion]

@lucid anchor Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[lucid anchor]

You do realise that even if I report the hackers or hackers in the future they still most likely won't do anything about it right?

[limber hull]

Well with that attitude, you’ve made sure nothing will happen lmao

The alternative is a 100% chance that nothing is done

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i'd still genuinely rather 2.1 ton cera that's slower to 1.6 ton cera that's faster

[wheat shell]

Then how do you think teno interactions will go, I’m genuinely curious how they even got the thought of making it 2.1 tons and making carno smaller while it’s obviously way bigger than its irl counterpart

[limber hull]

teno faster

[wheat shell]

Barely

[limber hull]

my suggestion is to make cera slower, which makes teno notably faster

[wheat shell]

So your saying making cera slower but make them have more health and damage is gonna be balanced

Isn’t cera supposed to be a scavenger

They’re making it a apex killer

[limber hull]

it's meant to be a corpse bully scavenger

it uses defence and damage to get things to leave its food so it can have it

and a 2.1 ton cera ain't killing any apexes, especially with reduced speed

[wheat shell]

Then that means things like diablo is getting destroyed by 2 ceras

[limber hull]

diablo is already bad for its own reasons, i don't think that's fair

like... yea it would, but i'd hope diablo would get a buff at some point too

[wheat shell]

Maia is faster, but you can easily track it down with how bad it’s stam and bleed resistance is

[limber hull]

imma be real, pointing out how the mid-tier herbis aren't very good doesn't really change my mind, it just reminds me how much i want them buffed lol

[wheat shell]

And you already know maia already struggled against the 1.3T cera

Making it slower won’t change much your already faster than it

[barren crater]

I don't think maia is a good example. You quite literally never have to fight Cerato as it.

[indigo notch]

Ngl bro Pachy seeing ur post Rex does kinda need that extra speed as prime

He’s slower than like 90% of the roster even with ambush. Now if the roster also gains prime speed and he doesn’t it’s basically impossible to catch anything at that point

[wheat shell]

Your a carnivore lmao you hunt everything that’s meat

[pliant elm]

1300kg and 1600-1700kg prime is a good weght for cera For the niche as a scavenger due to its buffs near a corpse

[limber hull]

See, I don’t see how 2.1 tons makes it any less a scavenger. If anything, it eats more food and can fight more creatures away from food, is that not entirely beneficial to its niche?

Deino is an 8 ton animal yet it can also operate as a scavenger

[pliant elm]

This weight works perfectly for him, as a low-midtier. 2.1t is simply completely unnecessary

[limber hull]

Arbitrary classifications don’t change my point tho, at what weight does something stop being a scavenger

Also, I still would rather a slower 2.1 to what we had before. Faster cera was an absurd choice and made it far too powerful as a hunter

Beipi’s prime elder is 250kg after this update, should we nerf beipi because we’ve decided it can’t be in the same tier as Herrera?

[pliant elm]

It has nothing to do with whether or not he stops being a scavenger, but rather with changing something completely senseless, changing something that already worked perfectly well before

[limber hull]

It didn’t tho? No way you of all people are saying earlier prime cera was perfectly fine

[pliant elm]

Carno can weigh 5 tons and still be a small game hunter, It is not?

Just imagine how cool that would be

[limber hull]

At that point it’s a mid-tier hunter tho

So ironically, no it isn’t a small game hunter

Cera still scavenges no matter the size

[pliant elm]

Well, the mid-tier will be smaller than him, so what's the problem? At what point does he stop being a small game hunter?

I don't understand this obsession with wanting to change something that simply doesn't need it xd

[limber hull]

That’s not what small game hunter is, otherwise I guess everything is a small game hunter lol

[pliant elm]

Cera doesn't need to weigh 2.1 tons, nor does it need to have 5 slots in its group to be a good scavenger.

[kindred copper]

Is schooling fish still a thing? ive tried to find some in a couple of playthroughs now and have yet to see any

[weary geode]

"I see the light" ahh dieno

@ripe fractal

[ripe fractal]

yea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzD7VABnB2Q

[mild isle]

Yo

[limber hull]

@covert tiger they're moving away from carnivores on other carnivores diets, so it's highly unlikely allo will get any carnivore diet options, or rex will ever have allo on its diet
#general-feedback message

the most we might ever see of them on diets is them on cera and deino, since both are opportunistic and scavengers

[mild isle]

Why are they moving away from that?

I thought it was beneficial 😭

[limber hull]

because they don't like carnivores having self-sufficient ecosystems that effectively ignore herbivores

[mild isle]

Oh wait fair

I forgot Evrima was herbi domain

[limber hull]

i dont understand your point here

the goal is to encourage less deathmatch mindset and more active hunts

idk how being on carnivore diets benefits herbivores at all lol

[mild isle]

Well I was just remembering wrong 😭 forgot evrima didn’t have the issue of a bunch of carnivores - so I was thinking having the carnivores fight each other would be good until I remembered Evrima was more herbi suited so having them ignored in diets would be bad
So yeah you’re right LOL mb

[frank notch]

If we're speaking of hordetest-

We can't get different migration zones because there aren't many herbies going to them- due to the overpopulation of allos and other carnivores making it difficult to clear out the bushes.

[west tiger]

#general-feedback message
I know they've buffed cera but with the carnos new spam headbutt it makes sense why they buffed cera

[limber hull]

yea but the cera buffs weren't anything to do with that lol

[junior nymph]

@wheat shell teno may get a 2.1T prime as believe it or not they didnt buff elder ceras weight because they love cerato, they did it so its in line for the elders model weight for its scale, they ddi the same thing for pachy, allo, raptor for right now, and more should be coming

[limber hull]

it was purely just to make the weight match the model

[junior nymph]

^

[limber hull]

pachy too? i didnt hear about that one

[junior nymph]

the funny guy (you know who im talking about) said the reason pachy was buffed to 700 was because of that

[limber hull]

oh

well thank god because it needed it LMAO

[wheat shell]

I refuse to believe that Alberto is dondis favorite dino considering how many buffs cera is getting

[junior nymph]

like I said, its a univerisal change

[wheat shell]

Yeah I still don’t think it’s balanced lmao, if teno does get that 2.1T buff it literally means cera and teno are the same weight which makes zero sense 😭

[latent olive]

apparently beipi went up to 250kg

which is REALLY funny because that tiny penguin's model at prime elder is apparently the mass of an average bear

[wet glade]

I hope they make Tenno 2.3-2.5 t in prime

[wheat shell]

same weight as allo 💀

[wet glade]

Allo is 2.6 adult and prime 3.9 right?

[wheat shell]

Not sure about prime, but adult is 2.5T

[wet glade]

What did they nerfed allo agen ?!

Are u sure?

Some one told me that adult allo is now 2.6

[wheat shell]

No I'm not but I remember it being 2.5 tons on release

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

@somber elm this is why

[somber elm]

Ah ok ty

[safe hearth]

must deino do the same things to be prime elder like every other dinosaur?

[paper galleon]

@light walrus everyone wanted nerf cera and they buff it twice in this ht, I just don't want to play anymore XD

[light walrus]

Omg fr this is crazy 😂😭
I hope the playables that suffer from this also get some love.

[paper galleon]

2,790*

[paper galleon]

please😭 , but don't understand why they want to increase the weight according to the models If the problem is the models, they should make them smaller not unbalance the game with the weights

[light walrus]

Yess

[light walrus]

Plus how can such a fat cera spin so fast. It's so agile like wtf it has small stubby legs and can turn as fast as a omni

[paper galleon]

doing the models wrong and then saying that the weight isn't in accordance with the models and increasing weight is simply an excuse, they wanted to increase the weights and that is why they made the elder models that way, to have an excuse

[paper galleon]

why does stego get up so fast yet? why does he have such fast animations? why did they take away maia's ability to get up slowly? allo gets up slower than a stego wtf, I think it's good that allo gets up slowly when it's weighing more, but that's how it should be with all the big dinos, like the spin, why does an allo spin worse than dibble and now cera with 2 tons spins the same as a utah? lol

[limber hull]

"doing the models wrong"

lmao you really don't get it. they did the weights wrong, not the model. not everything is a conspiracy you know

they've been adjusting weights to fit models for ages now, well before this update

[paper galleon]

old carno seemed to weigh 2 tons, this new elder carno doesn't look big, and according to you, why are the weights wrong? weight is supposed to be based a little on reality, putting 2 tons in cera is simply wrong because it is a realistic game and not only because of its mechanics and graphics

[limber hull]

cuz they're still working on the changes to weight lmao

[covert tiger]

That makes sense, thanks
Then they gotta cut the carnivores back on the other carnivores diets

[urban flax]

It is NOT a realistic game

Though they are indeed changing the weights for the sake of realism

[low helm]

Where are yall getting information on the changes?

[urban flax]

So that the weight of dinos is accurate to their visaul size

[finite tiger]

I like the idea of elder Cera being bulkier and slower to camp bodies more, you have cooked

[wintry cipher]

@sinful zenith

#isle-discussion message

Keyword constrictor snake. Imagine animating that to look right when killing every single size and type of creature at every single age.

[paper galleon]

if this were not the case, this game would be different but everything has been created with realism in mind

[urban flax]

Except carno's charge, herrera climbing, beipi swimming, cera's bile, omni and troodon's existence as a whole, mechanics such as rolling in mud to clot wounds and salt licks, and then the other things such as mutants, dinos with superpowers, etc...

[limber hull]

basically every single animal in the game has something unrealistic about them, or have their entire kits based in fiction

[paper galleon]

I'm telling you with the thought of realism in mind, not everything they do is realistic, plus omni doesn't exist, but they took weights into account to make it realistic and balanced, they simply raise weights or lower them because since there aren't enough dinos the balance of the game can be sh1t

[urban flax]

Don't confuse being realistic and making sense

[paper galleon]

but what they do as fiction they do with a realistic sense as well

[latent olive]

the word youre looking for is "immersion"

[paper galleon]

and realistic XD

[latent olive]

no, its just that the devs have done such a good job at making the game immersive through the animals' animations and sounds, that people confuse it for realism

what theyve made immerses you into the game

its believable

[wintry cipher]

Clarification: the correct term to use to not confuse others is "grounded in reality" which many other games do. "Realism" is a term used for roleplay with the goal of reflecting real life.

Example: Warthunder is grounded in reality, even if you would not see so many different types of weapons used in the same place all at once. Nublar was a Realism server in Legacy with a variety of profiles to guide the players on how they should act.

[pale river]

For people who do not want to nerf cera can you give me some reasons why

[narrow cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-ceratosaurus-the-isle-evrima-strasbourg-gif-5973655539315551276

Nah for me 1.8 would be a good weight for cera

[pale river]

Me too I just want to know why people want a overpowered cera or why they think it’s balanced

[pliant elm]

Even 1700kg is a good weight for Cerato Prime, Due to all the tons of buffs that Cerato has

[narrow cypress]

Right now cera with body near have like 3.2 health it is the 2nd best carnivore behind Rex

[tribal spruce]

so the PZ is just stuck in delta, no matter how far away I go away from it, no new ones appear = cant get prime. Anyone know what to do?

[pliant elm]

That's really funny. Cerato, the "Scavenger" that hunts better than the hunters xd

[narrow cypress]

The apex scavenger , it is so funny their group now is 5 persons , with 1 body near , they have more life than 5 allos adults and they are fasters , it is time to cry

[crude girder]

Less realism and more "If I look at a player I should be able to guesstimate how big they are" sorry for the late ping lol

Shoutouts to before the Allo changes when you could be 300kg and shorter than a Dryo

[normal shuttle]

@weary geode they factually play the game and not that rarely

[urban flax]

I hate you more than you hate yourself

[normal shuttle]

And also wdym they don’t read suggestions 💔

I’ve seen more than one of these be added. Actually, many have been

[weary geode]

What game are they playing bro 💔

[normal shuttle]

The Isle

They also gotta work and keep up with their own life but they do play often in officials

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-the-isle-evrima-isles-of-yore-wake-of-pandora-gif-25157157

[normal shuttle]

Anyways

I feel like suggesting 300kg quetz again

[weary geode]

😭

[urban flax]

Your hot takes used to be hotter

[weary geode]

Gta V gonna come out before next update

🕵️

[urban flax]

GTA V came out years ago

[weary geode]

I meant six lmao 🥹

might be a little slow

🎃

[urban flax]

Also that's what people say with literally every update
It gets old very fast

[weary geode]

Like me bro

Ill be a grandpa before Rex is in base Evrima

[normal shuttle]

Well then

I will make something as hot as my one and only deino juvenile suggestion

When I come up with it

Today isn’t the day

Okay I thought of something

Done

@urban flax

[urban flax]

Didn't you already make a suggestion like this a while ago ?

Suggesting dinos could drug themselves on creatine to become stronger

[normal shuttle]

No

I only proposed it

But didn’t officially write it there

I will get this one out of the dusty shed before moving on to the next one

Also I wouldn’t call it drug

[urban flax]

I see
Well apart from the part you mentioned specifically high-protein workout food and monster energy it's fine

[urban flax]

Although it is

[normal shuttle]

How

It’s stuff you can consume for nutrients

[urban flax]

Addictive, induces dependency
The two core components of a drug

[normal shuttle]

They do that? Maybe that could be a good mechanic to have

Perhaps I could suggest wild drugs as well

Since addiction in animals is not that uncommon

[urban flax]

Look, when I said your hot takes used to be hotter I didn't imply I missed that

[normal shuttle]

Damn…

[normal shuttle]

What benefits could that have though

Maybe just gameplay value?

Imagine something like a dibble growing addicted to some plant and being debuffed for not consuming it regularly

[urban flax]

nah

[normal shuttle]

Maybe patrols are already good enough for that without that little incentive

Especially in the post trike era

[junior nymph]

@mossy escarp its a hordetest... its expected that it would happen

[mossy escarp]

@junior nymph Yes but not wiping them or rolling them back daily.

[junior nymph]

its not daily what??

theres only been like 7 in like 2 months

and thats for a variety or reasons

[iron knoll]

are servers bugged? i dont see the pop going down, i been here a while and its been on 102

[wintry cipher]

Personally, prime elder should be common. The idea of it in my mind is that Frail results from failing to engage with the game in the way it is intended to be played (sitting in a corner doing nothing). Prime should not be excessively difficult to achieve, and imo, it isn't. Frail elder also directly encourages players to engage with the game more to avoid the consequence of being weaker, as well as to get the 4th mut.

[quartz meteor]

@next yarrow don’t waste your breath… this has been suggested a million times and nothing happens. Ever since patrol zones were added to the game, they have ruined the balance of herbivores having to go anywhere on the map that they don’t like. Perfect example would be swamps. When it was only migration zones and no patrol, Dino’s such as stego and dibble were forced to go to swamps if they wanted diets. Now with patrol zones, why would they ever go somewhere where they would potentially die.

[opal widget]

Prime elder should be rare otherwise we gonna end up with bunch of dinos that over power not only their adult form species, but many others that they are not supposed to beat or catch up with. They just gonna run everything down because elder gives you speed boost and dmg boost. While you can't apply regular pvp balance logic to the isle, it has tiers and general "can I fight it/can I run away from it" approach and elders just ignore that in many cases. They are like OG hypos, just a little smaller.

[wintry cipher]

Youre assuming elders will remain the same as they are now, which they definetly won't be by the end of HT. Gameplay wise if prime elders are made rare, that then bottlenecks them to an elite few and defeats the point of elders existing. It also assumedly keeps them in a broken state which is not acceptable regardless of if its only a few people or not.

[normal shuttle]

It feels like I am one of the few people who is fine with 2t elder cera

[modest dock]

2t cera is a nightmare for teno players basically

especially with current stats

won't debate much as some stated better than me

[normal shuttle]

I think that the “only” real thing that needs fixing about it could be the charged bite and speed

[modest dock]

well then yeah, but as always there is no need to buff what is already broken

or should have nerfed that part in the same patch

[normal shuttle]

I think cera should double down on the idea of having a tank defensive carnivore because we have basically none of those in the entire roster other than some which are mostly speculation (or not so much speculation)

Which means having it’s hunting capabilities actually addressed because we all know how much the charged bite changes in the trike ht failed

More health to cera is fine

I just think it could do with a speed nerf and then more adjustments to its ability which allows it to hit so hard for basically no stamina cost

[modest dock]

well i wouldn't agree more then, but again the problem i see here is that they only buffed its weight WHILE ALSO not nerfing anything else

[normal shuttle]

And what I am arguing is to nerf other things but leave the weight

I don’t think the weight is the problem

[modest dock]

otherwise i could see it as a 2t tanky carni, but tanky means less damage and less speed thats it

[normal shuttle]

I just don’t think cera should be a mini rex that has basically no weaknesses

[chilly bough]

then its just gets absolutely smoked by allo if its slower

and it already can just get straight up pinned by a single allo

[modest dock]

i wouldn't take allo as an exemple knowing its out for like a week on ht and is also a broken playable, i'm mostly taking teno as a reference because current cera smokes teno without letting it the ability to flee

[normal shuttle]

Nope

You could reduce cera’s sprint to like 37 and nothing would happen

[modest dock]

which SHOULD be the case you know, if you can't fight it you should be able to run from it

[normal shuttle]

Guess why

[chilly bough]

allo is 37kmh. It just gets ran down then

[chilly bough]

Yea thats fair in regards to teno. But i think these changes were aimed at keeping it balanced since allos arrival

[modest dock]

allo could also benefit from a speed rework, like getting its maximum speed while ambushing (hold rmb) but being a bit slower when not using ambush

[normal shuttle]

That’s fine

Cera still outswims basically every playable in the game and even playable roster

That’s what I would like to encourage: actually playing carefully and making use of terrain

[chilly bough]

Having the same speed as a 3.9ton allo just doesnt make much sense considering it cant hold its ground against it, it needs to be able to flee

[normal shuttle]

Cera is so damn good at everything right now that you could probably butcher a single one of its stats and still work fine

[normal shuttle]

It sure does make sense and would look fine, considering not all light things have to be able to outrun faster ones

Besides, as I just said, other escape routes exist, and I believe people should be encouraged to use them.

[twilit rock]

EU 1 and EU 4 bugged? 102 Players since 30 mins

[chilly bough]

You cant make it to the water in the first place if u cant out run it

[normal shuttle]

Even if cera had similar stamina (or slightly better running) but was 0.5kph slower, it would do fine because such marginal differences do not matter

[opal widget]

It's pretty clear that they will be stronger and faster because that's their while point. You assume just as much as I do though.

If you want prime elders to be abundant then they should be very easy and quick to obtain so they replace the adult stage, then it won't be as overwhelming because everyone will have it. Or ut should be rare and just be occasional raid boss you meet on the map.

Can't even imagine the amount of bush camping on the edge of the map people are gonna do because they are afraid to lose their mutations or die to a prime elders mega packs

[normal shuttle]

You absolutely can with proper spacing. People genuinely do not realize how speed works in this game

Let’s make an easy example

Let’s say cera is 36 kph and allo 37 kph. The distance between them is 20 meters and the water is 60 meters away in the opposite direction of the allo. Is the cera making it out alive?

Yes.

36 kph =10 meters per second

37 kph=10,27 meters per second

For each second that passes, allo gets about 27 centimeters closer to the cera if they are running in a straight line, meaning that it would need 74 seconds to catch up, when the cera would reach the water in about 6 without accounting for the acceleration of both sides.

Distance matters as well, since you two don’t have infinite stamina nor will you be running an infinite distance.

So if we make them both run just as fast or with a difference of a few decimals, cera’s awareness and spacing is what would make it survive. If it dies to an ambush, then congratulations to the allo.

20 meters is also ridiculously close. That’s a flawless ambush

So cera being like 37-38 as a full adult wouldn’t be a big deal

[chilly bough]

Idk man thats a crazy take. Cera is a lot smaller than allo. It cant hold its ground against them either because they will just get pinned. They should be faster than them. Out of all the things advocating for a speed nerf out of all things seems silly

[modest dock]

again i'm not sure allo speed is gonna stay like that. Its supposed to have an ambush toggle ability at the end (like rex does) , as i saw, there was apparently no need to bring that ability yet, but when allo will be complete, i could easily see a basic speed nerf and ambush speed being close to what it is right now. Would be horrible if its faster and it honestly doesn't needs to be faster.

[normal shuttle]

Why should cera be faster in land when I already established that plain speed is not the only variable to take into account? I don’t mean to be hostile, but so far you are only asserting that something smaller should be faster without any reason, when I explained that even being marginally slower in land would allow it to escape by being aware of one’s surroundings, which is a skill needed in nearly every playable.

And then, if you don’t take speed and some charged bite capabilities, what else would you take without screwing over the whole tanky corpse bully niche is supposed to have?

I am proposing things precisely to compensate for the advantages in that niche, because evrima cera has been historically one of the most buffed playables in the game due to various reasons and right now it simply is devoid of any clear drawbacks

Isn’t demanding basic awareness and spacing, as well as a more mindful use of its ability, a good way to diminish its hunting brawler potential?

I did the math right there that you can check

[modest dock]

Give the cera a sniper to its tail

[normal shuttle]

Even being slower than allo, you are not running forever in a straight line: you can have better trot, more stamina or have water nearby. It won’t matter if you see it far enough, which in my example “far” is a little more than elder deino’s length away lmao. An allo getting that ambush right would be a player far above the average and would still need to do it in the right moment in the right place.

[normal shuttle]

bullets inflict vomit

[modest dock]

peak idea

jokes apart, id like the cera to fullfill its intended niche as the CORPSE BULLY

and not only the BULLY

and ofc can't wait for allo to be balanced as well

[normal shuttle]

I would like allo to have a different type of pounce that isn’t just Omni’s, and I mean mechanically

[chilly bough]

I understand that plain speed isnt the only variable. That said more times than not you aren't getting ran down by things you already see and can keep proper spacing between.

All im saying is It should be faster because as it is right now, it cant fulfill its corpse bully niche with allos around. They weigh more and you cant fight them even with a sizable body around.

Your suggestion would make more sense if it wasnt just a pin to win situation. But as it is right now even with their weight increase cera still gets bodied by allo. It has to be able to run

[modest dock]

when they said allo is going to be a very straight animal to do i didn't excpected them to do oversized omni reskin

[normal shuttle]

My suggestion also assumes a finished allo, obviously. I am evidently not accounting for a clearly unbalanced allosaurus that can fall its pin as many times as it wants and works just like Omni

And it can still be a corpse bully even after allo released in the live branch as a slower creature. The rest of playables can be bullied, and cera can simply wait for the scraps to be left behind by larger predators it should not be facing

[modest dock]

which is why i said earlier i wouldn't take current allo as an exemple for balancing the game as its probably the most broken right now

[normal shuttle]

For real

It is hilariously overpowered

Everything about it

[modest dock]

fore sure its pretty funny to see (in ht), but i have no doubt it will be more enjoyable when it will be completed and properly balanced, a small rework to pin would be nice also

right now its right click and win simulator

[opal widget]

We have playables that are smaller, but slower then bigger ones in certain comparison. Troodon, hypsy, omni. The thing is, they can jump or nimble/small enough to get lost in bushes. Cerato can't jump and it's big enough to be seen and heard easily. Just being good swimmer ain't enough and to use stamina advantage vs something faster you gotta have huge distance between. I think it would make sense for cera to be if not faster, but close or same speed as allo

[tawny stag]

Please don't implement the new hud. It's way too bright and as someone with astimatism, it gave me a headache after just a few minutes (With prescribtion glasses).

[agile stirrup]

I think hypothetically for “bad” players if they hit frail elder entombing should definitely be an option so they can get another chance at prime.

But entombing is an issue in itself imo since that’s the only way you can stack more mutations now.

[normal shuttle]

Are we really calling an elder deino’s worth of length a “huge distance begween”?

And well I was giving your the worst case scenario

You can make cera less than a km faster

[opal widget]

No idea what deino has to do with anything I've said

[pliant elm]

It's funny to see people wanting the Cerato, which is already extremely tanky at 1600kg prime, to weigh 2.1 tons For literally no good reason xd

[gentle cipher]

Can we please acknowledge the time zone differences with AU vs other continents, Its not that we aren't showing up, It's that while the rest of the world is on, we're busy working and the majority can ONLY play on the weekend. We are also 12-13 hours ahead of UTC.

AU has been asking for a HT for ages now and ( A large majority of us before hand where using EU and US servers.) now that we've finally got one, we're now pleading to help with cheaters and fixes (Granted bugs and fixes take time to change, that is okay! We can wait) however we feel like no one actually understands or listens to our differences with the rest of the player base.

I'm in no way trying to come off as malicious however what was directed towards AU was harsh. We are a smaller group, yes but we have been here this whole time and we view ourselves just as important to testing and etc as any other contienant.

Thank you or taking the time to read this, again I'm in no way trying to come of as malicious, just trying to be the voice for AU/OCE playerbases

[limber hull]

there's a good possibility that allo murdersprint was completely removed because it was too frustrating to balance around (according to Dondi)

[limber hull]

"no good reason"

there's several good reasons but people don't want to hear them because they're so allergic to anything that they percieve as a "cera buff" (even though i'd argue 1600kg, 45km/hr cera is WAY more busted than a 2100kg, 36km/hr cera.

[junior nymph]

dont we have a au server?

[gentle cipher]

Yes, however either full or unfortunately broken, hense why some AU players have asked for another server

[junior nymph]

I mean a second server wouldnt do anything, it would be the same issue as evrima, no one will play on the second one and they will all play on the single one

[gentle cipher]

I fully understand that, as yes, Evrima only ONE server is ever used. However when it comes to horde-testing it could help to have another as everyone wants to try out Allo at the moment and some players are suggesting another server incase one goes down, that way we still have a server to play on without high ping, I also fully understand HT Au1 is completely experimental too

As Au1 has been down, unfortunately for 11hrs and yes, the devs can't do much to fix that, only the servers in Australia can, but yeah, another server could be nice

[junior nymph]

if I were the devs I just wouldnt waste more money on a server that like 3 people will play

[junior nymph]

you could give the devs a heads up

[gentle cipher]

Multiple people have, unfortunately

[pliant elm]

There's no good reason simply because Cerato doesn't need a weight buff. Weighing 1600kg as a prime, it successfully fulfills its role.

Explain why the Cerato needs to weigh 2.1 tons

[limber hull]

Explain why it doesn't

The only argument I've heard is "fulfilling its role", which it can also do at 2.1 tons

[uneven beacon]

is anyone having issues getting on a queue for hordetesing

[cyan flame]

Does it need it, no probably not. Is there a good reason, yes. The reason being matching visual size to weight. If it turns out it's too much weight, they can if neccesary make the cera smaller. Or otherwise adjust it to still make it work. But there is a reason, and it's not "it needed a weight buff" but simply "it is this large, this should be reflected in the stats" which does make sense.

[pliant elm]

Yes, but he also does that perfectly well at 1600kg. So, what's the reason for the weight buff?

[limber hull]

I've told you the reason

[pliant elm]

I understand. But that's not a good reason to change something that affects the balance; it's easier to change the model, just like they did in the carno rework

[limber hull]

It is not easier to change the model lmao

I love it when people make stuff up about the development process they have no part of

Resizing and rescaling the model would take a lot more time than just changing numbers

It also can lead to a good amount of jank

[pliant elm]

I honestly think so. It's easier to change the model than to change the weight of something that will consequently affect and change the fights against the playable he previously fight against

So, with that, you'll have to do even more things here and there

[cyan flame]

Depends, I'd argue it's good if it's the whole making everything work like that, since there's been situations where things don't look like they should work out but do, or vice versa. And it's not as if it can't be adjusted in other ways, or even size changed (model) if neccesary. But it probably is easier to just adjust other stats, than do a model change with potential anim changes and all that too.

[pliant elm]

And to be fair, the Cerato didn't have such a disproportionate model

The only one that was truly out of step was Allo

Allo is practically the same size as Rex, even in width

[cyan flame]

Well, I can't say anything for if the sizes and weights match, I don't know the numbers, but I'd expect them to know what they're doing

[limber hull]

it actually is good for the game when it comes to visual conveyance. something that looks bigger is actualy bigger now

[real mural]

this

[spice folio]

Need a better anti cheat system

[covert tiger]

@sonic jolt only scenario I can imagine is that the rex was a prime elder.
In which case you can defo get pinned and wrecked if you're only 9 tons.
I hear what you're saying, it's an interesting dilemma. The flipside of it is that without pin, those dinos literally can't get kills at all. Pin is the one thing that you fear, the one thing you can actually die to, because any amount of skill, flanking, biting etc is NOT going to cut it when facing most defensive herbivores. Pin is a reality. It exists because it's actually how predators kill. Your denial of it and uninstalling isn't going to change that.
You've probably taken dozens off hours worth of lives from other people, most of which were probably smaller than you and couldn't fight back cause you knock them down with one attack. So it's incredibly hypocritical of you to say this. Man up, grow again and get back in the fight. Survive the isle.

I will say one thing though. That rex may have been hacking. There's no way it has the stam to pin for that long if you're that heavy

[normal shuttle]

I only used it as a metric, so it has everything to do with what I said

In game a deino’s worth length isn’t a huge distance. You would have to be completely unaware to be caught in that situation

[sonic jolt]

Yeah, it was prime. Unlike most players, I try to be a friendly trike — I don’t harm herbivores or other dinos unless they’re aggressive or accept a fight, except for jump-scaring juvs XD. But here’s my point: even though the trike is 28% smaller than the rex, with 20% reduced damage, you’d think that with skill, you could at least deal some meaningful damage. You shouldn’t be able to get insta-pinned and erased without any chance to fight back. There should be interactive gameplay — a way to defend yourself, especially when you can’t run away, no matter your growth stage. I’ve taken down 2v1s, fended off trikes with a thirst for blood over 150% my size, and won plenty of times. Survival is inherently unfair — that’s the tension of The Isle. Pin, bone break, and silent ambush are rex’s tools for taking down smaller targets, just like trikes have flips. I get that. My argument is that pinning a similar-sized or even slightly smaller target with zero counterplay is unfun, low-skill, and uninteractive. I’ve played cera, carno, croc, herra, maia, tenno, and fought countless apex's. I know what they can do. The difference is they can disengage at will, there’s an art to alt-baiting, distracting, and luring targets, making them puke — counterplay exists. That doesn’t exist with an instant pin that’s effectively “a free buffet” against something slightly smaller than you but has put in a large amount of hours in, at the very least the fight should be engaging. Or at the very not get off with 0dmg taken. That’s the part that feels fundamentally broken.

if i was half it's size, then yeah, sure, 95% chance i would have lost it makes sense. But not when you have a reasonable chance to fight back. I'm more than happy for them to buff rex in other areas.. but that mechanic isn't fun. all you have to do is take a look in general feedback to see quite literally hundreds of comments and thousands of ticks agreeing to the very same point.

[modest dock]

Dondi indeed said it was frustrating but he was also being quite insistent with using the word "currently"

[sonic jolt]

Dinos die. That's a part of the isle, i'm not upset about that. I've lost a shi ton and had a blast on this game, I'm upset about the lack of counterplay

if you pull off an ambush, fair enough,

[covert tiger]

The only creature that can do that to you is a prime rex
To be honest, that's not really a bad deal
You gotta be weak and killable by something
Unless you're prime trike, then you're untouchable even from that

Rex has gotten nerfed quite a bit at launch, it's actually not able to pin close to its weight class anymore. Most encounters against trike it actually loses.
But you're 25% smaller than a prime rex at 9 tons where I guess you got caught in the grey area.

I get that they want prime rex to be the epitome of power, the ultimate beast that can destroy everything in its path
It's a rare sight, esp with allos murdering them for a living. Most other species have it tougher, with many more unfavorable matchups and more weaknesses.

You can always argue for pin to be nerfed. Its been years. Ppl have been saying it for raptor since years even though raptor is tiny. But I don't think they're ever going to change this mechanic considering they literally introduced it again for rex and allo this year.

At the end of the day, a rex or allo or omni even with their pins are balanced in terms of their matchups. They don't dominate every encounter in their weight class. Sure, pin is braindead and easy, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there

[covert tiger]

That rex which killed you will soon become frail.
If you met it an hour later, you would have been prime, and the outcome would have been different.
Would you have complained then?

[modest dock]

Which is why i could definitely see a speed rework for allo, being way slower by default and having its max speed when ambushing which could be near what is currently its maximum speed

[covert tiger]

Disagree.
It'll get hunted by dibbles and rexes easily if they nerf it's base speed

[modest dock]

It could use its ambushing speed to escape easily then, just like rex does when being in a rough situation (aka rex/allo megapacks or mixpackings)

Wouldnt need to be a lot slower than it is currently btw just a bit to let cera flee from it

[covert tiger]

What
Cera can already flee, it's way faster

[modest dock]

Well, that was according to a necessary cera speed nerf we where talking earlier which is why we talked about allo speed initialy

Cause if cera is keeping its 2 tons it definitely needs to slow down so tenos are not instantly erased by them

[covert tiger]

Let's see
They might buff teno instead
Currently prime cera is almost 45 which is 25% faster than allo lol

[sonic jolt]

Yeah, i absolutely agree with you. Trike is strong, and it needs to be killable, in raw dmg, agility that rex would have had the advantage- I've killed many dif dinos as dif dinos in erivma. Survival is inherently a bit one sided. I want to make something clear- i'm not upset that i died, sure loosing the dino and mutations suck, but that's just another day in the isle. I disagree with the extreme lack of counter play, or the chance to deal some damage to an opponent which still had nearly every advantage in a fight. But because you're slightly smaller than it, you're not given a chance to use what you've learnt, gained and given the option to fight a tough battle that already wasn't in your favour. You're robbed of that opportunity.

Like I mentioned before, I've played tons of carnis too, I mained cera for a while, i'm a frequent troodon enjoyer.
Pin is already a major part of rex and allo and i'd be shocked if they get rid of it, especially with how long they have been in development, but food should be earnt and counterplay should exist. If that means rex and allo gets buffed in another areas to make up for it, i'm all for it

[modest dock]

I'm not sure teno is needing a buff as it is initialy not a poor balanced playable, its just surrounded by busted playables which is why the best thing to do is probably nerf the busted ones before talking about a possible buff

Valiant explained better than me earlier to be fair

[sonic jolt]

This extends to allo and other dinos too

Not just trike or stego

[bright halo]

Omnis pouncing each other doesn’t make sense

[jovial vine]

accidently pouncing pack mates does make sense, but it does take way too long to dismount from friendly fire pounces

Should have to be mindful of the rest of your team

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message there has to be a point where its just someone randomly found you

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message It's playable. You just won't be able to hear your grandchildren because you'll be deaf.

Seriously though, it's going to damage your hearing if you wear a headset.

[barren zephyr]

^ Noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL) is a real thing, and white noise like constant rain causes it.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

isle players the moment they have to actively fly

pteranodon is in one of the best states its ever been in

its stamina drain has been massively buffed, it now carries momentum far better than before, has the ability to now spawn AI for itself, and is also (hinted at by dondi) about to become double its weight

like no offense but i dont think you've actually played current pteranodon lol @proper mantle

[jovial vine]

i still think it could carry momentum better tbh

upcoming ground game changes will be nice tho

as soon as you try to gain any height it slows you to a crawl which is annoying the hell outta me

[wooden agate]

its also 10x easier to gain height in general though

[jovial vine]

Does not feel that way at all lol

[wooden agate]

you can just fly up lol

stamina drain is low compared to what it was before

[jovial vine]

everything else about the flight is great, just how much momentum you lose from gaining height is excessive

[wooden agate]

you can reach most thermals with 70-60% stam left, get higher for no stamina cost, and then get pretty much anywhere on the island

[jovial vine]

Well DUH ofcourse I can fly up, feels slow as hell and you lose tones of moment even tapping going up microscopically

[wooden agate]

make thermals sniffable please and thank you

[jovial vine]

yes making thermals sniffable would be good QOL for it

[proper mantle]

@wooden agate if you read my post you would see I was specifically talking about the loss of speed. I love a lot of the changes for ptera. The fishing, the flying, the stam, but the fact that you magically lose all of your momentum after flying for 20 seconds feels pretty game breaking, at least in my opinion. All it does is make a trip of any length incredibly long. I spent enough time on HT to get a 4x entombed ptera.

[wooden agate]

no reason to come out the gate rude but alright

[minor sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/sickgang-gif-3720691433135623768

[jovial vine]

from what I can tell it's all lost upon trying to gain height, if you're strictly turning sideways and not aiming up it's okay

[proper mantle]

Like no offense but you haven't played ptera seems kinda rude no?

[wooden agate]

and a normal human goes "well i know i have /shrug"

[proper mantle]

No one asked for the ptera nerf and it makes no sense to make them so slow.

[wooden agate]

you have to be actively ignoring everything else pteranodon has gotten to consider it truly nerfed lol

in a vacuum, sure

[proper mantle]

Yeah sure they added a bunch of good stuff but the loss of speed is definitely a nerf

Overall ptera is probably in a better spot but in no way can you consider this change anything but a nerf

[junior nymph]

I mean, pteranodon can literally stay in the air longer now while gliding

[minor sentinel]

but like, it has buffed stamina so does that really matter?

[proper mantle]

While moving at a fraction of the speed. I'd rather have the speed. You don't need stam to glide, all this does is make it painful to travel

[wooden agate]

im failing to see the issues in having players be active in flight

[barren zephyr]

I'm with you Momonga.

[proper mantle]

I don't know about other ptera players but I migrate. I go everywhere. Flying at the speed of a walking trike is dumb and I don't know why this is such an essential feature in the devs mindss

[jovial vine]

they're not asking for flight to be braindead easy lol, just that the flight momentum be better

Like you can still go REALLY fast, but you lose that momentum too easily

[proper mantle]

My whole point is just why. Why would they add this. No one asked for it, and Id bet money that most people don't want this change

[jovial vine]

This isnt a valid argument tbh

[proper mantle]

It feels like Dondi and the devs just have this vision and don't give a crap what the player base wants

[wooden agate]

the baseline vision stays the same but you can not ignore the mountains of feedback that have been getting added in lately

[jovial vine]

It's their game and if they want to make changes to any aspect of it, they can

[junior nymph]

a lot of things that have been added is what the community wanted/

[junior nymph]

exactly

[proper mantle]

I agree. A lot of good stuff has been added. But no one wanted a speed nerf for ptera

[barren zephyr]

Cough... or troo... cough.

I'm going to have to side with Momonga, too. And I don't know if you guys have forgotten this, but everyone's entitled to their opinions and you don't get to decide if they're wrong. xP It also doesn't make them a not "normal human." And who talks about people like that? So strange.

[jovial vine]

tbf I did say troos speed should be nerfed

[barren zephyr]

But why? T^T

Because they're so deadly, duh. jk

It was a cute little crazy speeding worm that at spawn does .50 damage.

[wooden agate]

please read the rest of the convo. a normal person doesnt immediately go "f you" to the first sign of pushback

[barren zephyr]

They didn't say f you.

[wooden agate]

but thats besides the point, i dont care either way

[barren zephyr]

I think that person forgot the i on if but I could be wrong.

And them responding to you in a way you didn't like isn't a f you.

[barren zephyr]

It's so weird when someone confronts someone else and then gets mad/defensive when they actually respond.

[minor sentinel]

1. just be patient, you are not being chaste down by a anything (yet) 2. why do you say dev(s) as plural? you got to think that some of the devs are just doing they job man, dondi did that by call it to be in the game, not the other devs.

[barren zephyr]

If you.

If you read my post. It's not hard to figure out.

I mean you did come out of the gate fiesty first baryonyx.

[proper mantle]

At the end of the day the player base is most important. If they ignore what the fans want and just focus solely on this vision they have it will bite them in the butt. There needs to be a balance of what they want and what we want, and just randomly nerfing an insignificant dinosaur like this does nothing but make them feel good that their game is .5% more "realistic" while frustrating a loyal group of ptera fans

[barren zephyr]

Gaslighting like crazy.

[wooden agate]

?????

[proper mantle]

The I was cut out

[junior nymph]

ah

[barren zephyr]

Easy typo.

[wooden agate]

show me a fiesty/rude message ive said that wasnt in response to the misunderstanding that was just cleared up

[proper mantle]

Copied and pasted it must've been lost in the transfer

[barren zephyr]

You said "if you actually played".

If you have to say "no offense" when you say something, maybe you should think about how to rephrase it. xP

They clearly did and didn't like it which is why they posted.

[jovial vine]

Opening with "isle players the moment they have to activley fly" is ragebaiting lol

[barren zephyr]

Exactly.

Then saying the normal human thing is gaslighting.

[latent olive]

NO DEFENCE

GLASS CANNON

[minor sentinel]

what?

[proper mantle]

"no offense but you don't know what you're talking about"

[wooden agate]

this is not rude and im sorry you feel that way lol

[barren zephyr]

Sometimes it's not what we say but how we say it. :D

[jovial vine]

It is lol

[barren zephyr]

For real.

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message what

[wooden agate]

i dont know either but i really like it

very ominous

[modern pollen]

Nah

[wooden agate]

i do think the idea is interesting and something that could be (mechanically) applied to something like giga

not saying giga should pounce

but a form of "bite, hold on, thrash, let go" for a large bleeder animal like that would be cool

[normal shuttle]

Ambush is so cringe

We shouldn’t get any playable with it

[limber hull]

so true

i'd rather more stam for rex than ambush

[modest dock]

Not the best mechanic in the game i would say, by far

[wooden agate]

this begs the question, what is the best mechanic in game

[urban flax]

bucking

[normal shuttle]

He’s right ^

[modest dock]

But playing the isle for so many years now and seeing a bit on how the isle devs works this is where i see these things are probably going to

[normal shuttle]

Crouch battles in legacy

[wooden agate]

you are insane

unless that was sarcasm

please...,,.

[normal shuttle]

Also I was wondering if deino will gets its rework with the next HT

Since it seems strongly implied that austro and bary will be around

[modest dock]

Maybe the best mechanics in the game are the friends we made along the way...

[wooden agate]

i think the nesting system is really strong

feels just complex enough to feel meaningful and costly without being a bore fest like legacy

with elders, im excited to see how the community does with nesting now in unofficials

[limber hull]

mechanically, or from an enjoyability standpoint

or both

[wooden agate]

both

like mechanically id say maias stance swap works amazingly, and is very fluid. it however is not the most exciting mechanic so id say its not the best

something like sparring is really rough around the edges but is unique in the sense that its one of the only PvP oriented mechanics that can be used for non lethal/damaging idle play

[proven river]

I lowkey have a lot of fun with Troodon's venom

Unrelated to anything, I'm not bothered to read the context of this conversation

But troodon is fun

[wooden agate]

this is a good one

i think its complexity and the lack of a hint/tutorial system drag it down a little now, but when hints are added i think it'll be good

i just cant imagine how a newer player is meant to understand how troodon venom works

[limber hull]

I'VE GOT THE ANSWER

Galli mobilise call

• Funny satisfying noise that encourages people to do it
• Gives you the gratification of ZOOM
• Naturally encourages social play and dissuades toxic behaviour
• Benefits all members with additional survivability and mobility
• Integrates exceptionally well into galli's extended kit

[proven river]

Yo that's a based AF take

[proven river]

@limber hull (messaging here because isle-discussion is impossible to have conversations in) but out of curiosity, what are your opinions on the current pinning mechanics?

[limber hull]

i think there is a valid point to be made about pins, but i feel the current community outlook is too radical

either "pins are fair and SHOULD exist because herbivores have CC therefor carnivores deserve their payback" or "pins should be removed universally"

neither resolve the core issue at hand

what i'd do is add a hefty stamcost to a struggle which allows you to slip free

if the predator pursues, by all means, it should catch you

[urban flax]

That's actually a good idea
A guaranteed escape option that appears after a few seconds of pinning but costs a lot of stam to the pinned
So the attacker requires to pin you a few times to secure a kill if you're full stam

It's also more realistic in a way, because if a predator doesn't manage to kill the prey it caught right away, the prey runs away most of the time (but can still get caught again)

[limber hull]

Yea, pretty much

It adds a slight bit of engagement

[urban flax]

Tho omni/rex mains will complain they wil starve to death if they can't oneshot in an ambush

[urban flax]

Also pair it with less stam = more damage taken from pins
So every subsequent pin gets more lethal

[fiery hill]

Bigger prey = more stam cost, small prey = less stam cost

[urban flax]

<@&933486433342222376>

[uneven beacon]

Anyone know a work around to enter a queue in hordetesting

[hasty dawn]

there isnt one

[real mural]

Patience

[misty cedar]

In hordetesting why do the server numbers just not change like the amount of players on the servers

are always the same

[covert tiger]

@winter lance ppl aren't sleeping lol
The servers are broken and stuck

We have informed the devs about it

[winter lance]

what the flip

[winter lance]

alr thanks for the information

[leaden relic]

are the servers down? I only have one popping up

[junior nymph]

@rough pendant Ht has fixed it

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

how tf you got dot points without a single paragraph 😭

its such a block of text

[jovial arch]

@sage harness it probably is close to that for prime

[sage harness]

im just rage baiting and kinda curious how many ppl actually acknowledge to this… i hate ceras from the deepest spot of my heart tbh

[jovial arch]

I would downvote it off the basis that it already does do that damage

[sage harness]

u think so prime does 500 dmg?! that would be so much out of place 🥲

[jovial arch]

210/150*350 = 490

[sage harness]

what is this formula?

[jovial arch]

prime base bite damage divided by regular adult base bite damage times base charge bite damage

[sage harness]

where does this formula come from? never read that… is this confirmed?

[jovial arch]

nah but I would expect charge bite damage to scale with bite damage, that's how the ability works

[worldly root]

@random current Hey man,
What program/App did you use for your UI concept?

[sage harness]

ok more sense makes 350/150=2.33
now take 210x2.33=483

but nevertheless i guess u r right that its already close to 500

[jovial arch]

to be honest it's not even that crazy for a prime

[sage harness]

for a prime weighing 2.1 t this is very crazy given the fact a prime deino weighs 12.5 and has 700 bite dmg if i remember right 🙂

[jovial arch]

i mean, prime allo weighs 3.9, can solo pin cerato, and oneshot any herbi under 6k kg if it lands a pounce

also i think deino is 13.6

[sage harness]

yeah but the blood will get nerfed and the bucking is bugged

[jovial arch]

bleed already was nerfed

[sage harness]

u r right… and that makes it even worse 😂

[sage harness]

but only a bit and bucking is still bugged

[random current]

Mix of Figma (mainly) and Adobe Illustrator (the globe and the life stages)

[worldly root]

I see thank you

[jovial arch]

honestly i think as long as they buff the herbis accordingly and lower a lot of prime speeds, it shouldn't be a problem

[sage harness]

i agree… although i dont play herbies, but teno needs love now cause it is falling behind too much now

[jovial arch]

yeah dude teno needs a buff

[sage harness]

in isla spiro times it was my favorite opponent, its a shame where it is now

[jovial arch]

ngl tho i do think a certain amount of this is player skill I play on petits a lot and teno is probably the most popular herbi by a lot

[summer temple]

#general-feedback message @rotund surge it is very nice to see such optimism in this server, just a word of warning though, the devs will probably not listen to this. My best advice to not get too jaded by this game’s progress is to take regular breaks from not just the game itself but the community.

[sage harness]

ofc it is but now it definitely needs weight and dmg buff as prime

[jovial arch]

for sure

[limber hull]

"nice to see some optimism, let's put a stop to that"

lmao

[rotund surge]

don't worry, I really don't have that many hours in this game and I don't even need that much progress and a bunch of 'new stuff' all the time, but being able to play the game at least would be great to begin with and some sort of sign, that the devs are at least noticing the feedback of their community and not just do whatever they want even if it makes the majority unhappy or even (physically) uncomfortable (talking about the rain noises here). I left my thoughts, nothing more I can do anyways :D

[rotund surge]

🤣

[summer temple]

Lol true, but its better to have the bandaid ripped off now than to have the life sucked out your soul over the course of several devblogs

[summer temple]

Fair enough, keep doing your thing

[limber hull]

personally i guess im not pessimistic enough to feel that awful over this game

[summer temple]

It’s less pessimism and more disappointment. Little things like AI still not being fixed in the main branch after many months, new UI being added unfinished, strange balance changes, and the fact there’s no communication on most of these issues

[shy fox]

the dev team is very loyal to their vision of a hyperhardcore survival experience, but their concept of difficulty is cognate with inconvenience and discomfort, so like the complaints about the rain and the darkness are so valid but we've been dealing with these issues since legacy, i dont think this is going to change :( hope you enjoy the game though

[limber hull]

new UI being unfinished is to be expected on a branch explicitly made for testing new features before they're ready for live

[proven river]

Holy peak

[lean zinc]

dm me for auto first/ first four server join AHK

[junior nymph]

what

[lean zinc]

its a AHK script that auto refreshes and trys to join the first favorated server or the first four fav servers (i made two versions)

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message this doesnt surprise me, the dude is 13.

[wooden agate]

really struggling with the fact someone born in 2012 would be 13

[dapper prawn]

I feel so old 😭

[wooden agate]

yeah this is not a great feeling

[dapper prawn]

100% agree

[latent olive]

my nephew was born in 2023

[wooden agate]

so hes a baby thats normal

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I literally don't get why people can't just not play the HT branch if they're not ready to cope with a lack of stability and the possibility for wipes/other issues

[junior nymph]

bbbbut new playables

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

• "Pounce should be ability only for raptors". Troodon lol
• "Back in Legacy they have been almost equal and fights between Raptor and Dilo was 50/50% win" - 700kg raptor would instawin because, y'know, pin

[sonic jolt]

My only thinking with this is when the prime system, rex and allo comes out in erivma, many people will swap back from ht due to reliability and unofficial servers

[junior nymph]

@robust vault dont play ht, its not meant to just be access to new creatures, its testing performance and trying to optimize the game further so yes wipes happen, but if you dont want that dont play hordetest, play evrima.

[brittle epoch]

evrima is outdated and still has no ai (like for example fish)

[junior nymph]

then dont complain that a testing server is breaking, simple

[brittle epoch]

nuh uh! its constructive feedback

i just want them to fix it so that you can play certain dinos again

[junior nymph]

look, believe it or not they are trying to fix it, its not intentional, just think for 2 seconds

[brittle epoch]

no they are working on more dinos

[limber hull]

says who lol

[brittle epoch]

what?

[limber hull]

yea

[brittle epoch]

yea what?

explain your self. NOW!

[brittle epoch]

im talking to yoi

[limber hull]

ive decided against it

[brittle epoch]

ok

[wooden agate]

its also worth noting that the fight wasnt even 50/50 because utah would just out turn the dilo most of the time

[robust vault]

Both we know all want to play HT
And u will never add all things already is in HT in Evrima bcs u want player playing HT to test and find bug and report to u so u should respect them bcs they help u to better make ur game!!

[junior nymph]

ok so, the hordetest is a branch that is unstable it always happens, hell this is the best performing hordetest we have ever had, wipes happen thats ok, if you cant cope with that dont play the testing branch

[brittle epoch]

why did you say says who though?

[brittle epoch]

thats fair i just dont like that they still havent fixed ai propperly on evrima and are working on new dinos instead

[limber hull]

because i didnt believe it would be met with confusion

[brittle epoch]

is it because im new to the server or why?

[junior nymph]

the reason is simple for that, they dont want to use a older version of UE so they wont change anything on live

[brittle epoch]

Thats the main game though, and hordetesting is testing content for the main branch, isnt it?

[junior nymph]

you dont understand, live branch is using UE 5.4, HT is using UE 5.6, the reason this hordetest took so long to come out was because engine upgrades broke the game

[fringe dawn]

Do people not read the “test” in “hordetest”?

[urban flax]

They don't even read the server's rules

[brittle epoch]

Well that explains everything

[normal shuttle]

@nova loom #general-feedback message

1. Allo’s pounce is currently a WIP, it will probably change significantly as time goes on in the HT until final release

2. Agreed

3. No lol. With how pinning works for omni, that’s making things like pachy utterly unviable and also giving omni a really uncalled for buff by giving it 300 extra hp. Dilo is not meant to be an even fight for omni in a one on one either.

[junior nymph]

I dunno if thats sarcastic

[normal shuttle]

(please guys tell me I’m right in the first point, I just assumed it)

[young jacinth]

Are mutations fixed yet got a rex at 49.5%

[brittle epoch]

is that about me? Because im only here for feedback and solutions

[urban flax]

Depends, did you read the rules ?

[normal shuttle]

Isle players truly are something else

[brittle epoch]

ye just did, which one did i break?

[urban flax]

I didn't say you were breaking any rules
But a lot of people come in here without reading the rules

[fringe dawn]

We are all something else

[normal shuttle]

Hey I got pinged here

[fringe dawn]

Some just more than others

[normal shuttle]

Deleted message?

[brittle epoch]

ye thats common

[brittle epoch]

it was just the wind

[fringe dawn]

Also yeah you’re right I remember dondi saying that the allo pounce was a wip and that it would be changed later

I’m also pretty sure that’s why the pounce weight requirements are so drastically different from omni, because it’s supposed to be less of a pounce and more a grapple iirc

[brittle epoch]

half of earths wild life is endangered species now

[normal shuttle]

I see

[normal shuttle]

The math is already different, but it’s good to know they have something else in mind

[brittle epoch]

Is T-Rexes Crush still gonna get adjustments or is it considered complete by the devs?

[fringe dawn]

It will probably have some small changes but overall I think it’s fine where it is
I think the best change would be to not give it rex access to crush until it reaches sub-adult, especially given how fast juvie rexes are

[normal shuttle]

Everything in the HT can change

[livid ember]

Rex shouldn't pin nor fracture fg+ trike

[indigo gulch]

I mean if the trike is low, I dont see why not

[pliant elm]

This basically means the Trike has 25% less health against a Rex, only 7600hp

[covert tiger]

@lapis swallow bro 😂

[lapis swallow]

?

[covert tiger]

Detect the sarcasm
Upvote that thing

[limber hull]

puts ragebait before the actual feedback
surprised when people don't like the ragebait

lmao

[covert tiger]

Wait a sec
U betrayed pachy

[limber hull]

i change it constantly

i was overdue for a name change

[covert tiger]

Cool

[indigo gulch]

real

[livid ember]

If rex is low it can disengage

[indigo gulch]

?

[livid ember]

Why trike should insta loose 3k hp just because rex has autowin mechanic

Ah well trike basically looses at 6k hp since 3 crush bonebreak

[indigo gulch]

but surely trike wins the fight most of the time anyways right?

[lunar parcel]

First time back on hordetest and i encounter an esp hacking allo

not really suprised

[smoky jasper]

hey is there a way to unstuck your dino

i have 2 % food and got suck hasing a boar

any one

[chilly ermine]

Type “/unstuck”

[smoky jasper]

i tried !unstuck

but now im dead so it dosynt mater

[earnest wave]

FIX not being able to put in mutations bug

[livid ember]

It isn't...

Unless rex is stuck in spar

[gentle lichen]

@brazen vessel #general-feedback message

speaking right out of my heart.

i can win a 1v2 when one cera isnt fg. but only if i almost always use the kick. its rediculous how much they are trying to make the teno a walking piece of meat and the cera the absolute op dinosaur. isnt it already enough that you need to puke fighting against it which is so long, whilst this you could already get another kick in

[fading forum]

honestly i truly dont see the purpose in updating the UI if it's not even ready yet, and hinders gameplay (not able to see if im in the red or not)

[lunar parcel]

can we get some sort of indication that tells us if we will hit prime or at least tell us how to get it. You do everything right and then just dont get it

[hasty dawn]

us5 mutations down or is it just mine?

[sleek star]

sames

[supple pine]

I like this. Honestly any solution is better than logging out until daybreak or starving your animal through the night. Even if there was some sort of benefit to resting in the dark, like a buff or something that would make staying logged in at night worth it. Cause as is, there is zero benefit whatsoever to staying in the game when the screen is pitch black other than not losing you spot on the server. But that’s not a mechanic, that’s just a byproduct of the game being multiplayer.

[indigo notch]

I dont think it can if trike doesn’t get leg broke

Rex has 20 seconds of run time. Trike has a minute and 15-30 seconds. Adult vs adult of course. If a Rex decides to fight a trike only one is coming out alive, neither can run away

[blissful atlas]

#general-feedback message

there already is a map designer?

[noble vortex]

the new highlands makes me cry

it used to be so pretty and the tunnels were awesome to walk through

[tired quest]

I like the atmosphere when there might be pack of omni or cera waiting in that tunnel
and some times they will back off when facing large herd passing

[noble vortex]

yeah it was a cool highway kind of area where you'd often run into others

[woven bane]

@exotic basin there are climbing sounds, bush like noises dosen’t make sense for a stealth based hunter, it would only kill its ambush potential

[exotic basin]

gotta disagree there, it’s not realistic for herra to jump through silent leaves imo. they can still ambush by camping bodies and or hanging around high traffic areas

[woven bane]

i can see where you’re coming from but herrera should not be jumping the way it does if we’re going with realism, furthermore i don’t think we should dissuade players from interacting with the game and environment by reducing their gameplay options to just camping bodies 24/7

[urban comet]

FIX THE F*ing AI you lazy bastard devs

[urban flax]

This is the kind of person who goes on reddit to complain about "getting muted because they said the truth"

[urban comet]

Yeah i would care bout being muted if i cared about disc, but since im not on my 600 pound life i dont care

[urban comet]

besides, you telling me that die to starvation 5 times in a row and never hearing ai is good game design? or just lazy devs who dont wanna admitt to f'ing up?

[ripe fractal]

wtf is that water

did someone drop a blue crayon in it?

[indigo gulch]

And wondering why the devs don’t listen to them specifically

[normal shuttle]

Now…Do you think this feedback is going to do anything to make your position seem any reasonable even if you were right?

[runic mirage]

Shut up and create your own game than