general-feedback-discussion

[junior nymph]

HT is out

[thick ivy]

i mean when it comesw to evrima vanilla

cause rn they aint fixed

[quartz meteor]

I see what you’re saying to a degree. But it would entice rexes to eat each other for dominance.

[limber hull]

rexes should be enticed to kill each other regardless

since they want to compete over food

[junior nymph]

they wont be until it comes yeah

[limber hull]

too bad AI diablo exists to easily sustain them lmao

[quartz meteor]

But they’re not. That is where I see the issue currently.

[limber hull]

so don't make it easier

[quartz meteor]

I was just about to say that. I think the dibble being available was not a good idea. Rex needs to feel the pressure of it wants to become the lizard king. It shouldn’t be as easy as farming Ava’s, or dibbles.

[bright halo]

Can rex eat rotten food?

[limber hull]

no

[tame gull]

DOES anyone know why hordtesting na 3 is just gone?

[limber hull]

@safe hearth #general-feedback message

"also a server full of rex's (sadly that will happen) What should they eat without being punished with spasticity or vomiting.. "

nothing, and it'll starve, and we'll get less rexes

cannibalism = more rexes

[safe hearth]

well with cannibalism it will be also less rexes, cause they eat rexes, and it has more gameplay than starving which we know is boring frustrating for so many other players. just passiv gameplay.
and the post was nothing like: I want it 💯 like this. no. just loud thinking, cause i thought many others are interested in that.

for me: im totaly fine with it. starving is part of the game. but i also know not everybody want to be a pink-cannibal-mutation-dinosaur. and thats why i made a suggestion

[limber hull]

itd do the opposite, it'll encourage more rexes

if rex gives rex diet, there's nothing stopping you from playing tons on tons of rexes with easy growth and food

cannibalism only buffs the dinosaur and makes it easier to survive as

[safe hearth]

i understand you point. well maybe there is no "better way"
also a player decide to not use canni-mutation: rexes can still eat rex's with debuffs, but can survive. its just harder but doesn't have to lead to death.
actually its the same with rex-diet. that "how" is the different thing.

[rare fractal]

Cannibalism in real life often reduces the total population of that species because of reproductive speeds and development time. An adult of a real world animal eating young versions of their species is preventing that juvenile from engaging with that ecosystem for possibly years at a time, and most animals put a lot of time and resources into reproducing.

In a game like this, there are no mitigating factors to the total population of a species. Cannibalism can’t reduce the proliferation of that species because the immediate option to try again exists, and frankly no animal in this game takes long enough to grow to where killing even an adult is preventing the presence of yet another adult for any period of time. So as wave was saying, cannibalism strictly benefits the population of one animal by making that animal self sufficient.

[limber hull]

Yea, he said it infinitely better than I did lol

[rare fractal]

Thanks
I get why people would assume cannibalism shrinks a population but we’re never gonna reach a point in these games where it’s actually effective. Plus most carnivores AND herbivores already have numerous reasons to kill each other so it’s not adding a strong motivator to make that happen more.

Actually I’d argue cannibalism promote comradery

[safe hearth]

yes he did

[rare fractal]

Because the more of your animal you group up with, the more opportunities you’ll have to access food when your friends die. Your group mates become meal prep that until their edible help you kill other things

[lucid mauve]

Does that add up? I dont know the answer, but if you kill 10 rexes thats 100 hours "wasted" for 30 min of food before you need to kill again ?

I dont see how that does not reduce the population, cus the high resources demaning to grow one

[rare fractal]

It’s not a perfect mathematical formula in terms of sustaining solely off of your own species, but then again it’s literally a no different formula to killing other species for food. The other species that take less time to grow also reach smaller sizes and provide less food

[safe hearth]

But in a game like this, it ensures that for a few hours there are no other full adult/elders who can pose a threat to you.
So, yes, it won't change the population, but it will change the balance of power. And this affects all players on the map.
If only one of two Carni Apexes is left standing, Herbis also have less to fear.

but like i said, for that you don't realy need a cannibalism-mutation or diet

[safe hearth]

agree

[lucid mauve]

yes, but no matter how you turn this. The amount of time growing a rex will outweight the time that you would need to kill for food again by a large amount. If the animal was fast and easy to grow, it would not add up. Im not saying im right, cus i have not tho much about it

[rare fractal]

Well the motivation is already there, killing another adult Rex ensures that Rex isn’t eating your food supply.

The thing you gain in a design sense from preventing rex cannibalism is that “food supply” can’t just be other rexes. The reason this is an important distinction is because group behavior becomes less viable when cannibalism isn’t an option, failing a hunt and losing a group mate won’t provide you with a compensatory meal in the form of that dead group mate. Food needs become more significant and a large population of rexes will starve themselves out of existence until a sustainable amount of subs and adults playing relatively alone remain, which for Rex is ideal. In a direct relationship a lack of cannibalism makes overpacking harder to achieve.

[rare fractal]

This would only really be applicable if Rex had a more dramatically unique growth curve compared to other creatures, and despite it having a long juvi stage it still gains weight quite fast, around 30-35% growth you gain enormous amounts of weight in a very short period of time, so honestly it might even be better to prey on other Rexes because a population of “large juvis” is an option for you to hunt. Like to put it into perspective, it takes a Diablo and a Rex similar amounts of time to reach 3 tons of weight, so there’s little diminishing returns due to Rexes long growth

[lucid mauve]

Yes, i get your point. And it is true, but still if you kill another rex that spent 3 hrs growing to get 30 min of food. Its still 2.5 hours lost, meaning if do this for 1000 hours its gonna be very few rexes and you will have even less rexes to mate or group with.

If the rex was easy to grow, 1 hours grow time to full grown. Killing rexes wouldt mean anything tho

[rare fractal]

The growth of each player tends to balance this out, smaller players need less food than larger ones and the size they gain as a result of meals they eat when smaller disproportionately increases the amount of food they yield when they’re later killed. That and since players can infinitely respawn there’s a constant influx of new Rexes going through the same cycle. You can’t do the math with growth time being traded for the sustenance of other players without accounting for how fast players gain mass relative to the amount of food they need to reach it.
Like for instance, it’s extremely easy to reach 5000kg on Rex using nothing but ambient AI, this can and will and often does happen so many of the members of the “equation” are effectively being artificially injected into the metrics which makes understanding how sustainable this is really non linear, regardless of itd still be possible to sustain a population if all the Rexes had to eat was themselves

There’s also the fact that the rate at which each server gains new adults isn’t consistent, players of any age can log in and log out of a server to detract or add a member of whatever growth stage to the population. It’s possible tho not particularly likely to have dozens of fully grown Rexes log into a server at the same time for instance

[safe hearth]

Thank you for your explanations, it is really very instructive and makes sense

[rare fractal]

Much appreciated

[safe hearth]

[hard igloo]

Hello, Im not sure if it was mentioned anywhere before but I wanted to ask if the teno inability to slide was intentional change to the playable or is it just a bug?

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i disagree and agree with you. If rex can easy be 5ton that means alot of food for me if i kill one, meaning its valuable for me to kill one. So growth curve is already in my favor then. But it will only make me be full for x amount of time before i would need to kill again, but that time will always be significantly less then the time it took for that rex i killed to grow. But you are correct on the constant influx of new rexes, and im not sure if i can keep that up

[rare fractal]

I think what really makes it make sense is that, if a species is cannibalistic, theres functionally nothing aside from it's mechanics and base stats that differentiate it from your own playable. It'd be like a population of carno's and ceratos just eating eachother until their populations grow to regular levels, only you make both the carnos and ceratos in that example rexes

It's something that already happens in game now, players kill and eat eachother for food, and yet more adults inevitably fill their shoes

That and then there's the whole "players logging in and logging out" element of tracking a population

I mean, it's literally how most deino's have been growing since update 3

So this is already a proven fact of cannibalism in this game.

[lucid mauve]

How is that proven? Like you know they are surviving on other crocs or fish ?

In petits deino is cap locked, meaning the influx of deinos are coming in at same times. if you look at deaths from deinos after, almost all are from natural causes

[limpid bear]

Had anyone got elder prime deino

[rare fractal]

Mostly from personal experience playing a lot of deino. In every meta of the game where deino is extremely populat an entire adult population is able to easily sustain itself on just deinos and fish

And a similar cycle proliferated with cerato on many occasions, its also why carno used to have cannibalism but no longer does, because it would gratuitously overpopulate

[limpid bear]

Am I wierd for thinking majunga would be a fun playable

[wet glade]

Had anyone got elder prime Teno stats

[limpid bear]

1.8 tons

Not sure bout any thing else

[wet glade]

that are prime carno stats

[limpid bear]

Dude

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @gloomy cipher happens w rex too, make sure to put it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 if you can

[gloomy cipher]

i personally like the idea of cannibalistic rexes, yes it does help them grow but it also deters others from growing aswell, and i agree with what @safe hearth said with it being more fun since you wont just be living a life of boring starvation until you die

[wooden agate]

i think its the same glitch as the infinite drinking glitch

[gloomy cipher]

oh ok

[vital laurel]

@half hornet why do you want to give rex more food?

[molten stag]

and would allow him to get prime a lot easier

[clear sandal]

Hi, I just posted a comment in general feedback and I see it’s getting a lot of negative reactions. Could someone give me clear feedback on what exactly people don’t like about my ideas?

[molten stag]

as an organic being yourself, do you have the option to pause your aging?

[clear sandal]

It’s a video game, not a real life simulator lol, there’s literally a mutation that lets you heal with every bite of meat, so by that logic it’s the same thing.

[molten stag]

the Elder system fixes the current issue of FG week old dinosaurs roaming around and just deathmatching in a survival game, now that it's fixed, we dont want to revert to a worst version of the game, the ones sitting in bushes are punished, and the ones actually playing the game and moving around are rewarded, it's a better state of the game

[molten stag]

^there's the video game theory logic then

[clear sandal]

Well, first of all, I’m one of the players who usually plays relatively RP in this game, and I don’t like this system where you’re doomed to weaken early on. I can’t even imagine how some players must feel about it! Haha

[wintry cipher]

Don pretty much confirmed he just needs players to live and die fast rn. I don't expect it will stay this quick forever.

[spare yarrow]

then why not make becoming an elder an option, and if you did the good things for an elder, you can do it and get prime, instead of essentially losing all your progress 50% of the time having to entomb and pray you dont just get 1 shot when you respawn

[icy lion]

Make that a server option

[clear sandal]

that's in my feedback in general feedback

[icy lion]

Officials should have the current system (just extended out over much more time) for the reasons Assassin brought up

[clear sandal]

agreed

[spare yarrow]

That works

[icy lion]

When you say make it optional it didn't imply as a server option for unofficials, at least when I read it

[molten stag]

it's a good thing this game isnt an RP game, if you're trying to do something outside of what's intended, please dont ruing it for everyone else that wants it within the bounds of the genre, Its admirable, RP makes strong communities, but you cant force the game to take changes to suit something like that, i do like the idea of it being an option, but i think the integrity of the game should be upheld, and plue RPing getting old would make for GOOD LAUGHS!

[icy lion]

I'm not saying "allow everyone to deathmatch forever at full strength if they want" I'm saying "let unofficials choose if they want to allow that"

[clear sandal]

agreed again

[molten stag]

i feel helpless for the first 4 hours as Rex how is it over tuned @frail prawn he's 1 shot to most things at 50KG and under 100KG for hours it feels like and youcant hunt big things at all for a very long time an if you kill a baby it can respawn and outgrow you in 20 minutes

[echo sleet]

yesterday i fought a t rex that was only slightly larger than me as pachy when i was ~550 kg and he pinned me, applied leg break and i died

no other matchup with a mid tier as pachy goes that way why should rex have an instakill button

[molten stag]

Yes fighting things bigger than you comes with risks when you are hit

[echo sleet]

ok so if he gets to hit me once with that attack i deserve to die

[molten stag]

Elder Raptor will also be able to pin you

Prime at least

[echo sleet]

isnt pachy base weight like 700kg now?

rex should have his movement restricting abilities taken away from him or have the requirements to do such things heightened to a large degree to put him on an even playing field with the rest of the roster while growing up

[molten stag]

you said you were at 550 so in that scenario, you'll get a lot that can handle you at that weight you wont be invincible as pachy with Apexs sorry

[echo sleet]

dude, apexes shouldnt be apexes for their entire growth.

thats how you get an island full of rexs and there goes the balance

[molten stag]

at any point during growth side by side Rex is at the disadvantage to everything even Troodon

[echo sleet]

i can fight a 1300 kg carno and win

why cant i do that with a t rex?

[molten stag]

Dryo wipes the floor with Rex when they grow side by side i dont get what you mean

[molten stag]

he's new you have to learn how to fight him, give it time

[echo sleet]

i got insta pinned by a rex juvi at sanctuary yesterday as dryo dude

[molten stag]

you're not going to be a god the first time you fight it

[molten stag]

Eat your mushrooms and jump behind him and tail whip and stun lock him try it out

[echo sleet]

its a one click and done ability though you cant make a single mistake against him hows that fair 😭

[clear sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/jenga-fail-disaster-gif-9774326

[echo sleet]

t rex is an apex and should be bullied by most of the ecosystem before it gets heavy

[molten stag]

just keep playing and get better i believe inyou

[echo sleet]

alr bro

[clear sandal]

Assassin are an offical server player ?

[molten stag]

of more than 2 years yes, i'm on hoard test, i moved to some Unofficials, for a more competitive atmosphere, and to try my hand at leaderboards

and 300+ players make for more interactions and fights, i've also RPd on bosh's server

I play the game

[echo sleet]

how can you play this game for 2 years and think something getting the chance to FACE your GENERAL direction once in a fight and pressing whatever button it is you need to press to pin someone warrants a free kill when you're both the same size

[molten stag]

the rex baby is under 30KG and turns at a slow agility rate, if you are saying on a pachy you cant out run that and he cought you, i cant say anything other than skill issue the numbers dont add up

even dry out runs rex, if yo uengage head on and lose, that was not the games fault

[echo sleet]

im speaking in general bruh

that rex when i was pachy was faster than me

its top speed as juvi gets to like 60 km at some point :p

i thought having an insta kill button against someone the SAME SIZE as you would be universally agreed to be unbalanced but oh well

[molten stag]

Yes because at the time he put in the hours to grow safely and be able to hunt you cant beat rex at every stage of his growth running head first at it, play around it, and you can break his leg and get away

[echo sleet]

ok, i headbash him once the leg break doesnt apply and then he faces me and pins me

cool!

[molten stag]

Trike, Dibble, Many others have instakill hits Gore is the most powerful thing in the game currently, and Rex has its kit, its just complaining you died, not that its badly designed

you also have a stun on your hit , he doesnt just turn on you unless you missed

[echo sleet]

trike and dibble atleast have to get you stunned rex can just walk up to you (and rex is FAST) and do it

[molten stag]

or misjudged his size which is common, he's new

[frail prawn]

He has a extremely large stomach, his extremely fast, (not even troodon juvis get that kind of luxury) and soon as he reaches 1 or 2 tons he can nearly outrun/speed a carno, cerato, and gallie, a fresh sub/adult can pin a adult/elder dibble, has far to much on its diets.

It has to much going for it honestly.

[echo sleet]

i dont know what to tell you man, thats what happened

[echo sleet]

^^

[molten stag]

go play him for 12 hours first, and let me know how it goes, you clearly are watching others play

[frail prawn]

12 isnt anything when youre literally everything in the game already but stronger.

Its just a better version of everything else throughout nearly all its growth.

[molten stag]

ok well test with me? i'm on NA2 rn i have to hunt to get past being in sanc

[frail prawn]

It has deer, boar, chicken, turtles, just about all you can ask for on its diets.

[molten stag]

The server im on has no AI come try it out

[frail prawn]

Its fairly easy to get its diets when it almost has all you can ask for on its diet, just stay away other Rexes and its easy.

[clear sandal]

So you know well that the game doesn’t need a mandatory Elder system to influence player behavior on Kill for Sport. Unofficial servers already serve that purpose and allow something for everyone. For me, that’s not a valid argument. The Elder system should be optional.

[echo sleet]

well thats your fault for playing on a no ai server then 😭

[frail prawn]

I literally saw about 5 sub and near adults last night.

They completely massacered a sub/fresh adult trike, it couldnt run, it couldnt do anything. Just get pinned by sub adult rexes and die.

And then bam, the rex has a 1 hour worth of a full stomach.

You cannot tell me this thing isnt overtuned in many ways.

[echo sleet]

it gets to completely avoid fights with anything its size growing up tooooooo

[molten stag]

i'd return that then by saying it's your fault for facetanking something with a crush ability, and i'd say the same about anything running straight at Pachy and doesnt have an abiliy to deal with the headbutt

[echo sleet]

i wasnt trying to facetank it bruh its a single action ability

[molten stag]

That is very easy to dodge, try that

and bait it out, he's animation locked when he misses

[echo sleet]

... they just have to face you

[frail prawn]

It doesnt matter how you come at a rex, run or not its gonna pin ya from the front or the back. Its just far to strong.

[molten stag]

Look for the opening dont know what to tell you

[molten stag]

Then come show me your moves, against players, show me how strong it is

[echo sleet]

i dont know what to tell you either an apex playable should not have fights that can go this easy for it either while its still young

[molten stag]

ok come show me how easy it is for you, why are you still in here? come show me

[echo sleet]

thats how you filter out its population size by giving it a hard growth but it cant have that if it can just void fights

[frail prawn]

Bruh, stop being a rex glazer for a min and take a step back, you cant tell me this thing if it was released in its current state, it wouldnt be extremely oppressive to everything else in any kind of way.

[echo sleet]

nope!

[molten stag]

all talk and all salt

[echo sleet]

instakill ability i dont know what else to say

give every other carnivore in this game an ability like that and see how it goes

i have no problem with him having it when hes fg, but juvi?..

[frail prawn]

Its the situation of ''Why would I play this? When rex is just it but ten times better?'' Why would I play this...Thats gonna get run down by something that goes 60+ speed and cant do anything about it, even a carno getting run down? Silly.

[molten stag]

Then remove stego power swing, remove pachy headbutt when a baby, remove Gore on ceratopians when young and the stun as well till sub

[echo sleet]

none of those are instakill and none of those are as oppresive as they are when theyre juvis compared to rexs pin

[halcyon thicket]

can confirm. my baby dibble has fed may a predator already

[molten stag]

not true, if you get stunned, you more than likely die in the next hit, you're playing a diff game if you think otherwise, 2 follow up hits from the herbi apex is the exact thing you're talking about, if you facetank the trike it will end the same he's like 600KG still in sanc safely

[echo sleet]

im still only talking about the viability of the attack when rex is a juvi, adult rex can use it all he wants
its like if you made a 10% trike fight a 10% cera or something and made its attack as fatal as it is as when its an adult

[frail prawn]

Just like how they nuke Dilo and Troodon in their youth, Rex should not get any special treatments.

[echo sleet]

yuh huh

[molten stag]

Ok for those who dont rely on AI to grow like I do on a server that has no AI because it's broken or i like playing on those servers, how do i hunt at 50KG? PVP only

[echo sleet]

scavenge or like, kill ai

[molten stag]

Then nuke all the herbis especially Trike and i'm ok with it

[molten stag]

Come test with me on the NO AI server and show me how

stop all the random comments that dont translate in game

[echo sleet]

play on a server with more population or something man idk 😭

[frail prawn]

I'm ok with that as well, apexes should be extremely weak and vulnerable through its younger life even going into its sub. Because if they arent, they'll easily get overpopulated.

[molten stag]

"just scavenge 4head" against Ceras that are FG

[echo sleet]

rex SHOULD have a hard time growing

thats the thing

[frail prawn]

No apex should be easy...Never.

[molten stag]

ok then do feedback for the ones in game already, not the one in testing that doesnt affect you or the official or unofficial pop yet, but you havent done that in the past or yet

[molten stag]

come show me how easy it is for you then NA 2 No AI

[echo sleet]

hes saying it should be hard what do you mean

[molten stag]

gotta go i'm playing join me ping me

If it's really strong i'll record it and send it in with my feedback to the team

[frail prawn]

The thing about apex herbivores they arent chasing you down, especially a trike...So I have more gripes about rex then anything else, and if people dont mention how broken something is, even in HT, then it might slip through the cracks and end up in the Official release, and thats the last thing I want to see from something over hyped.

[molten stag]

i'll even agree with you

So you know i'm not BSing im actually testing

[echo sleet]

if thousands of other players have grown carnivores on no ai servers and succeeded without a onetap ability like rex, then i think he'll do fine and if he doesnt THATS GREAT because hes an apex and should not have an easy life

[junior nymph]

no ai honestly more fun

[molten stag]

Facts

[molten stag]

I'm not ashamed to say, i've died to multiple things bigger and smaller, what you're saying is not what you experience in game, The team did an actual good job this time around and it feels fair and balanced in each interaction i've had, if i mess up i die, if i dont i dont instakill at this weight, unless its something smaller, and very little is smaller than me for very long

Very small windows to hunt, Large windows to die and reset

balanced against rex honestly

[frail prawn]

You are only saying this because you play on no AI servers, which will give any carnivore a rough time at many points, but on AI servers? Rex is far to easy to grow.

And once it gets to a age were it can run from or run anything down, its just to strong.

There's ai gallies, AI dibbles, none of them fight back I believe, but even so, that's a lot of food for them that they can sit on for a hour.

[molten stag]

I've tested both and that's not true, it gets very slow, there's a window of time it's fast, when it's around the middle of it's growth, and if it's any successful, it grows out of that stage very fast, so the window you're talking about is a non issue, it gets past it and slows significantly, but if you just look at the stats and dont play the game you get this skewed perspective, so i'm inviting you to try it out

[frail prawn]

There's such thing as stunting your growth and abusing the younger stage of it, I've seen people do it with stego, its no different with Rex.

[molten stag]

there is no grazing on Rex so that's not a problem, and if they do that, then they become frail the systems work

or risk starving and resetting

[frail prawn]

Some people dont care about that, they just see something thats over tuned and abuse it, and that's pretty much what rex is in my opinion,

[half hornet]

what do u mean more food?

[molten stag]

you're making up a theoretical problem or a chance of it, and the other systems cover that

[vital laurel]

if you make it cannibal you give it more diet??

[molten stag]

This

[frail prawn]

😮‍💨 Its not, I'm gonna call it now. I've already seen enough in HT to know that Rex is getting to much.

[molten stag]

i dont think he understands how little things interact and change the gameplay so significantly

[vital laurel]

much of what?

[frail prawn]

To much of everything throughout its growth, it has a large stomach, extremely fast, has a pin, can out speed cerato, carno, galli, at sub stage/fresh adult it can pin a adult/elder dibble and fresh adult trike, neither can out run it, it has a ambush mechanic.

Not even Troodon/Dilo gets these types of luxury. (using them as a example as they dont get their venom until a certain %) I know its just HT, but it has me a bit worried.

[vital laurel]

large stomach is littearly a nerf though?

speed is kinda weird tho

[frail prawn]

All it takes is like, 1 dibble to fill it up competely and then it can sit on a full stomach for about a hour, which can lead to a bit of overpopulation because if a single dibble (which there's AI of that know) can fill up one if not two rexes, then people can just sit in a bush for about hour until they need another.

[molten stag]

Then they become a frail elder, the punishment for that gameplay

litterally you grow a useless rex if you do that

[frail prawn]

I mean I doubt people care to much, especially if they're packing.

[molten stag]

You lose all your speed, health, damage, go play frail Rex you'll have a lot of a different perspective, you want to throw it off a cliff, or become a baby again to try for prime

or die in any fight you end up in

[echo sleet]

to get prime elder you need to visit a set amount of sancs pzs and migrations afaik and with rex having such a long growth time he can just do that whenever and then sit in a bush for the rest of it

[molten stag]

that's how i know you havent made prime elder yet, wrong

[echo sleet]

there was a leaked list..

[molten stag]

yes, go make a prime elder, that's the opposite of the gameplay loop that you just described

Rex elder is intensive, and puts you at more risk than safety

Prime at least

[echo sleet]

its literally easier for a trike to get prime elder than a hypsi because of their growth times

[compact timber]

@merry pine #general-feedback message they have made the juvenile stage start at 25%, consider 25% as your 0% now

and since 75% is full grown and then on is elder

from 25% to 75% is basically the old growth bar

50% stays the same

they've made room for hatchling growth I believe

so all dinos (?) will know they will stop requiring their parents' food at 25%

[molten stag]

I address the quick growth times for herbis here, wasnt popular but is needed i think especially when new players will eat the Sanc mushrooms and doom their playthough on the small playables #general-feedback message

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @charred gorge it has above average speed and is no joke in coordinated groups, not to mention that it can instantly delete anything its weight and below, imagine for a second that carno got granted the ability to 1 tap ceras

[junior nymph]

@prime rose the way elders are rn is just done to test the mechanic and foil out all the bugs quicker.

[prime rose]

I was thinking about that being a possibility too, but there is no way to be sure and I think providing thoughts and critique on a basis of what we have right now isn't wrong, as long as it's constructive criticism.

[junior nymph]

dondi did confirm it

[prime rose]

Oooh, that's cool!

[half hornet]

yes why not? it make gameplay harder how it must be)

[urban flax]

Cannibal makes its gameplay easier

Because it's just an extra diet option

[chilly ermine]

@ripe pewter #general-feedback message

It's hard to take this seriously unless you own a business or have education in business and product development.

[urban flax]

I wouldn't even take someone with education in business saying that seriously

[vital laurel]

How does having more food make playing harder

[vital laurel]

He’d need to be working with creative software too

The game doesn’t take infinite sales and 600 animations isn’t free

Or 100s of hours of code

[chilly ermine]

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but those statements sound like immature people complaining that they aren't getting what they want when they want it.

[vital laurel]

3 coders full time(if they work full time) can is 200-350k a year easy

[chilly ermine]

That sentence doesn't make sense to people who got a gaming pc for their birthday.

[tame jetty]

@chilly ermine very good explonation and good problem you bring up! I didnt play myself yet the game change, so I just thought in my head that this makes most sense. So I didn't know you had to INSTANTLY respawn as same creature over and over to get buffs and thus do the many more hours growths ect as same dino.
This brings up huge and logical issues, that should be fixed with your idea explonation. Hope devs take it up! #general-feedback message

[chilly ermine]

Thanks!

Yes, the steps currently are:

Elder: You end at 100% as a weaker animal.
Prime Elder: You end at 100% as a much more powerful adult
Entomb: You can choose to entomb at 100% at carry over your mutations to the new juvinile. You MUST spawn as exactly the same dino (same skin, gender, etc.). You will have all mutations from the previous session.

If you choose not to respawn as the same dino after entombment you lose all progress made.

@merry forum #general-feedback message

TI is designed as a survival game first with PVP interactions for survival purposes (doesn't always work out that way though). This design is pvp based progression. Not really want the devs have in mind.

[merry forum]

yeah well a true elder is something that has survived and killed in the case of an elder, not someone who went to a patrol zone lmao. PVP is core to the game, you dont deserve to be elder just because. PVP doesnt have to be the core principal for all dinos, but PVP is core to this game, elders are experienced and survivors

[urban flax]

Basing the availability of elders on killing a specific species is absurd for this game

First, it encourages mindless killing, second, if said species isn't being played it locks you out of becoming elder

[tame jetty]

The fact you currently Elder system HAVE to respawn as the exact same dinosaur, is crazy...

Imagine doing 18 hours grow on trike, with many fails and errors hours more ontop. Finally getting Elder, and then you've to live as this exact creature again from scratch just to KEEP your hard work to gain some buffs..

Hm, feels not so.. Great.
Having a break to play other creatures in meantime before jumping back on the creature that you got the Elder entomb on, is a big help in keeping players healthy in mind and inspired to keep playing the game overall

[merry forum]

It supposed to be a challenge, trying to killa steg or trike is not so easy, you will have to plan and track and time your attacks right or you die, a true veteran, an elder. Walking to a patrol zone then being prime for 30 minutres and dying seems like a really dumb system. My system expands the good of the game and doesnt pounish you for playing. This is the simplest of game desing 101

[urban flax]

You don't know game design 101

Your proposed solution relies on RNG and goes against the design of the game

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message @fiery root agreed, holding the mouse key or key is much better than double click.

I looked forward to trike for years, and finally played it ht, then it got changed into double click, and now in live version, I almost always trash even when not double clicking because my mouse is how it is, + its so easy to accidently double click, because of adrenaline and panic example a hunt of u are ect for many players...

So now, I've not played for many months x.x that is crazy..

[fiery root]

Yeah like, I mean I wasn't gonna win the fight I was in anyway, but like I was fighting air for 90% of the fight bc it was just spam thrashing 😂

[molten stag]

Spaming should be punished imo, Control your dino properly, dont bash your keyboard

[fiery root]

That's stupid.

The spamming is already punished by taking my stamina LOL

[molten stag]

spamming a button to try to win is stupid

[urban flax]

Getting punished by death for accidentally double-clicking is a bit harsh

[molten stag]

takes no skill

[tame jetty]

Yeh, there's no logic in making it punishing for players to just spam a key. If they do, so what? Let them play how they do, doesn't matter..
Control of how ur dinosaur act shouldn't be taken out of Yr hans and make u vulnerable very much

[molten stag]

a 4 year old can do it

[fiery root]

I wasn't winning, I was in a 3v1 I couldn't escape 😂

[molten stag]

then why complain?

[fiery root]

Bc I want my attacks to actually react how I want them to

[molten stag]

you panicked the button combos are fine

[tame jetty]

exactly

[fiery root]

No, a double click ability is stupid when left click is literally your MAIN ability

[urban flax]

Clunky controls aren't a way to punish misplay

[molten stag]

Spamming is not a precise input you're just bashing the keyboard or mouse

[molten stag]

what would be the alternative?

[fiery root]

I wasn't bashing anything. I was holding alt and left clicking and instead of alt attacking, it just kept thrashing

[urban flax]

Holding the key, like they suggested
Like rex has

[tame jetty]

Yes

[molten stag]

you said you spammed it, knowing the move that double clicks is an animation lock, not a thng the devs are at fault for

[molten stag]

actually a good idea not bad

[fiery root]

Yes they are, no other animal has double clicking as an attack, by default that is just a bad idea. I'm asking for it to be changed. 💀

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/l0hgY4CGde9NOCKif?invite=cr-MSxGZ0ksMTU1Mzg2NjQx

[tame jetty]

When holding you've way more control over ur dinosaur, than accidently clicking 1 second too soon after 1st click.

[fiery root]

Like again, I def wasn't winning that fight even if I had kept my composure but I couldn't even do the bare minimum of using the attack I wanted to use.

[fiery root]

100%

[tame jetty]

@fiery root add this into ur suggestion

[molten stag]

yeah that' s not the games fault, you need to learn the dino , not gonna get it on your first run or first few

[fiery root]

That is the game's fault, bc why would you have the absolute worst button combo for any ability

[molten stag]

your camera is shaking you're spamming so hard

[tame jetty]

Agreed

[fiery root]

My camera shakes even when I one click... my wrist flicks when I'm nervous LOL

[molten stag]

all good work at it you got this

[tame jetty]

They should just make it holding like rex, easiest fix in world

[fiery root]

Nah just change the activation key to holding LMB instead of double clicking and this won't be an issue 👍 and my wrist flicking has been a thing for years against my will I can't do anything about that lol

[tame jetty]

Not hard at all to change.. takes much quicker time than example, big map changes done x.x

[molten stag]

Mouse control is a skill you learn as you go, try looking up some vids that can help with this

[fiery root]

Like every other animal in the entire game doesn't have this type of activation so genuinely confused why they would make that a thing, especially since it's so easy to consider an input a double click in the middle of a fight

[full pewter]

Thoughts?? This is imo the best way to make the elder system work

[tame jetty]

Behind u 100%-

There's no reason for game to punish players that accidently or maybe even purposely spam any buttons, if they do, they do.

It's not like PlayStation is punishing players that play with their controller upside down, or with their feet. Do they now?

To be honest, every key and mechanic in game should be able to be changed/customised in settings. No reasons it not to be

[fiery root]

Fr, a double click on a different button would have made more since than that mouse since the mouse is the primary device for attacks lol

[manic needle]

what do i do when my game for hordtesting when im looking for severs just says scanning for all frequncies

[vital laurel]

i mean you never platue the elder stats but yes

and i dont think weak and prime shiould end on the same stats

[bronze niche]

@woven bane tell me why you disagree

[woven bane]

not a fan of the idea

[stone hatch]

Its the only way it will work

[woven bane]

if food is scarce you can still eat other rexes as a last resort, there’s just a drawback to it

[stone hatch]

Otherwise the game is completely dead

[bronze niche]

yes but its to make it more unique compared to other dinosaurs, plus when i said its more balanced like sub rexes wont be able to run 60kmh

[stone hatch]

People wont want to spend 5 hours growing a dinosaur only for it to be forcefully nerfed no matter how many good decisions they make. Thats something even an elementary school student can see

People are going to get prime elder and go on killing rampages because their life is on a timer

They will wanna make the most of that time. Watch

Game will be a death match where no one wins and where there is no lasting reward

[woven bane]

rex already has plenty of things that makes it stand out, i just don’t like how the community continuously try to reinforce the idea of rex being cannibalistic

[stone hatch]

If at any point past adult your stats decay then this system is dysfunctional

Unless you have like 0 diet 0 kills and sit in a bush your whole life

Then yes your stats should decay. Thats a good deterrent to afk growing

Otherwise you’re punishing players for success

[rocky bough]

Elder system have prime boost higher percentages than just "2" when entombing or randomly Superboost 1 mutation

So for example, if we need to suffer in the end stages in life, being almost close to death would cause me to super boost a mutation so that i could better survive the environment. obviously things like checking to see how the damage was cause or where it came from

[full pewter]

Did Rex too

Again not official, just how I think it should be

[icy lion]

@stone hatch the times are a placeholder to test the system itself

[vital laurel]

why grow and invest for 13.5 hours for elder if youre gonna have a small 4 hours and then be as weak as a fresh adult?

[full pewter]

I can make it longer, but honestly 4 hrs is fine for an elder, they shouldn’t be around in an ecosystem for too long. But that’s just me maybe I’ll change my mind, time does go by faster than we think in the isle

[vital laurel]

i mean if you entomb youll be back?

I also think you should have a adult plateu, not be punsihed instantly for growing a rex but not being exelent

also the binary nature here is lackluster

[full pewter]

I mean when you entomb, don’t you just respawn as a Juvi? Back to square one?

Only thing you got is a few more mutations?

That you can already get by nesting in?

[bronze niche]

you got me there

[stone hatch]

Thats very good and im sure the system will be 10x more fun when it has time scales adjusted thats amazing news to hear

Im just concerned with the fact that there is even a time limit at all

There will be constant pressure on the player to “make the most” of their dino before it becomes useless. Sounds like a deathmatch waiting to happen. And the fact that even if i make perfect decisions and live a perfect life and am still in some way punished just seems to defeat the purpose and the way that we have played this game for nearly a decade now

[icy lion]

Maybe continuing to live well (ie do the things that get you prime in the first place) could extend the duration of being a prime elder? Could help discourage the "ok im maxxed out gotta fight" mindset

Though, fundamentally, I feel that becoming weaker is a necesssary part of the process. How much weaker can definitely use some fine tuning

[full pewter]

I can get behind that kinda system

[full pewter]

@pallid ocean Its not looking that will be likely no. Our Dino’s will get old and weak eventually regardless of choice. The system is in its early stages though so plenty could change, but I doubt making aging optional will be among the possible changes

[pallid ocean]

see my only problem is that its ok until we ar maxed u get what i mean. To spend all that time to get maxed is crazy just to end up dying cuz it got too week the only thing i can think of is that even tho u are weak the buffs u got would even it out but there is no fr buffs that would help u with your bite force and speed and healt when they start to drop i feel like at the end u should get to your prime and stay there or if later on u can chose to go down one of the straine paths hypo tisso or nero but as of now it is a big waist of time

especially the bigger the dino u do it on

@full pewter what u think i think its ok for them to make it no choice but i feel like it has to stop at the end or somthing

[full pewter]

@outer cargo If that were the case, there would be little stopping them from ravaging gateway, they’re meant to be rare and rewarding to only the most skilled players. But still only a temporary power boost

[outer cargo]

I don't mean always full prime. I mean they are just slightly more powerful

[pallid ocean]

i do understand that side of it its just hard for me to justify going all the way to start over with no mutations all over again

[pallid ocean]

and even this if u dont become a prime at the end and u just get the buffs u worked for

[full pewter]

Honestly, and I hate using these realistic arguments. But elders in real life are almost always weaker than adult counterparts, that’s kinda the point

[full pewter]

That’s what entombing is for, you pass on the mutations you gained in this playthrough to the next, and you can gain more in said next playthrough

[pallid ocean]

ik im saying when u are maxed out

then u just have to do it again

that will suck

idk maybe not to everyone but that was a big problem i seen

[full pewter]

I agree, that’s why I made these growtimes so long. So you have a ton of time to enjoy your dino, and it hopefully at least feels like a hard fought journey

Seriously though, how long do yall want it to take to reach elder??? Want it to take 2-3 hours for raptor? Fine, you’ll be weak in only 4 hours after you spawned, and you’re back to square one

[vital laurel]

@gentle lichen bro thats the point of elder

[wintry cipher]

I actually thought of something very similar- but what if additionally, if you nested, you could extend your lifespan? That would give players reasons to fight over mates (since the devs want to replicate an "ecosystem") - you could have cases of older animals being toppled by younger ones, or succeeding and continuing their lineage. It keeps a continual "risk" vs "reward" situation going that you have to engage with.

[full pewter]

Elders shouldn’t have a permanent hold in the ecosystem

They shouldn’t even be the main meta imo

[pallid ocean]

thats true i just feel that once i lose it if i got that far i would be done with the isle at least for a wile dying cuz i got old after doing it however long it took and 5 times to get maxed it wont be as fulfilling vs getting killed from me just hunting i am gonna stand on what i said about u should just hit adult at the end when u max out u dont elder no more but stay adult and when they get to the evolution part of the ilsle u can turn into sum else but i cant justify doing that on a rex for more than 42 plus hrs just to lose my dino im wasting my time GREAT update love the concept just dont like the end

[gentle lichen]

bro its a bullshi* system then

[vital laurel]

Just get elder

[pallid ocean]

thats why i said what i said i cant do that to my self

[gentle lichen]

elder is weak. and i do not want to do all that work just to have that thing for a short time. thats absolute waste. plus the teno is only getting a minimum of benefits from it whilst others get so much more weight. lemme guess. ure a big tier player.

[vital laurel]

elder is super OP and its not a lot of work

its just walking to a couple MZs and PZs

maybe teno gets to little but then buff elder teno??

it doesnt make the system BS

[gentle lichen]

legit wasted my time growing a teno. sacrificed myself to rexes at the end because its the absolute bs

[pallid ocean]

what i said dose

[vital laurel]

the system isnt BS, its just lacking better values

[gentle lichen]

it is bs and absolute unbalanced.

[gentle lichen]

as far as i know its not just thios

[pallid ocean]

i makes a huge time lose if u get all the way maxed out dino and are forced to elder again

[full pewter]

Again those mutations you gained in that first playthrough can be passed on to the next and then some. If you continue surviving you can stack crazy amounts of mutations together. If the Juvi-adult grow time is only a fraction of the time it took to reach max elder, how bad can it be?

[pallid ocean]

good system needs work

[vital laurel]

i had ok diet and did that but ok

[gentle lichen]

nah i dont want it. it should be optional without punishment choosing not to be prime elder

[vital laurel]

lol

that removes the entire point of elder

[pallid ocean]

yea just to die as a baby and lose it all after u hit it why not just allow us to stay adult once we get there

[vital laurel]

where is the gameplay loop

[vital laurel]

add a safety when ur a baby

[gentle lichen]

well i dont want to be elder. so let the people turn prime elder if they want to but dont punish the people that dont want to

[pallid ocean]

wym

[vital laurel]

bad values doesnt make the system bs

[vital laurel]

so you dont loose it

[vital laurel]

then you dont want to play the effing game lol

[gentle lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[vital laurel]

elders have been planned for ages now, thats the game, dying of old age has been a plan forever

[gentle lichen]

well if you see it that way, no i dont. it rather deinstall it than playing this system

[vital laurel]

wait for it to be out for a couple weeks so it can be balanced first

but aging is staying

[gentle lichen]

well yeah elders can be a part of the game but if i choose to be adult with lower stats than prime then i do not want to get punished. hell even if people enjoy staying juvie why not

[full pewter]

Then play with that in mind, play extra cautiously.
And again I think we need to start seeing elders more as a bonus rather than the end goal, enjoy the journey. No matter what mutations you have, your strength depends most on what species you’re playing. So what if you’re a third generation Troodon with tons of mutations, you’re still a Troodon that could die by a single raptor pin at any time

[pallid ocean]

dont lose my points thats not what im worried about what im saying is that once u getr maxed u should not be forced to elder again cuz then what are u doing it for u are alred max amount of mutations u can get so just let me stay adult and not elder and problem fixed not a waist of time

[gentle lichen]

its deffiniterly not a bonus. its a waste

[full pewter]

My point is to not focus on it. You lost your mutations? Try again

[gentle lichen]

so its just a growing simulator anymore. great

[pallid ocean]

yes but to a trood player that could be a trode that has way fast kill time with its venom or sum other for of aspect they like and to have to restart when they just hit max is crazy

[full pewter]

Like I doubt the power level between a dino with no mutations and one with several will ultimately be THAT different

[gentle lichen]

lemme just grow a bucket of garbage then. has about the same feeling

[vital laurel]

If you win the final ark boss that makes the game a waste of time??

[mighty girder]

the same thing it always was yes except now theres actually a reward lol

[pallid ocean]

it dont because i can keep playing with MORE STUFF IF I WIN

thats my point

[vital laurel]

but thats not the game, the game is centered on growth

[gentle lichen]

the is no damn reward. there is punishment.

[pallid ocean]

in here u get to the end and thats it so why force us to restart

[vital laurel]

what? If you entomb you get more stuff lol

[full pewter]

I knew this exact kind of criticism was coming months ago once dondi said becoming weak was gonna happen regardless of player choice

[pallid ocean]

u dont tho

[gentle lichen]

i am growing big to be strong, not to be weak

[vital laurel]

you get better and more mutations what

[pallid ocean]

thats why im saying when u are maxed dont force us to elder

[gentle lichen]

this

[pallid ocean]

u have not listend to anything i have said

or read

[pallid ocean]

i said when u are MAXED it is ok when u are not BUT WHEN U MAX IT OUT i should not be forced to do it again

[vital laurel]

i mean maybe

[pallid ocean]

so say u get maxed and then are forced to elder again and u die as a baby on your next life that was a total waist of time vs u bing a adult and just getting killed hunting or surviving as a adult who dose not have to elder no more but has its buffs

[vital laurel]

maybe but also the game is a loop

[pallid ocean]

yes it loops when u die normaly not being forced to a death bead now befor u are maxed u can be forced or however they want it but at the end i need sum form of me keeping my dino and not haveing to do it again

[limber mesa]

Why have a log in que, if you're going to be disconnected for "Server's Full".....like...what...

[pallid ocean]

and alot of people would feel that way if they got to max and its already so hard to get there why make us do it again if we finished at that point just let us stay adult and then when they add hypo tisso nuro then we can start the process for that or sum but dont make us have to elder again if we done u forcing us to loop when we not even dying and getting no more mutations

that is a waist of time when u not getting nun from it

[limber mesa]

I've been reminded why I stopped playing lol. Being DC'd from a LOG IN QUE, to a message saying "Server's Full" is backwards mechanics.

[pallid ocean]

its the game idk it dose it to me

[vital laurel]

hordetest

[wintry cipher]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1411504936054952109

if you don't actually make an effort on your first life you won't get prime and as such you will be 1 mutation weaker than others, possibly resulting in a total of 4 less mutations than others if you survive enough lives but never get prime at all. You can only unlock the fourth mutation with prime.

[wooden agate]

also worth noting that none of the mutations will be buffed

at least afaik

[wintry cipher]

i actually have never been a frail elder entombed so i have no idea 😂

[pallid ocean]

another reason if i gotta work as hard to get to my last maxed mutation with prime every time i dont want to elder no more the loop is over i should just stay adult

vs being forced back to baby again and again with no gain when im alredy done

u dont have to like it im just saying what i think ik they not gonna but it is what it is people will just hate it and leave or they will chang sum and they might do nun

im just saying it for the people who dont like it and there is a few

what u think is better?

[pallid ocean]

#general-feedback message i like this and its kinda what i was saying but i dont think u should stay as prime i was thinking u still become weaker but if u did prime every time u just go to weaker stage and stay as a normal adult only if u prime every time tho but idk people want to keep restarting i get it but i dont

@copper cradle

[copper cradle]

i get that people wanting that replay ability but when all your perks are full then what? just becomes pointless imo after that, just would be nice to have a goal or something no matter if it ends up you being a elder or not rather than just eat grow die repeat like in other survival games where you play as a human you build bases and thats kinda your end goal so hopefully the devs have something planned ect but thats my opinion

[pallid ocean]

our end goal i would say hypo for the power but starve fast and the other two nuro and tisso as just stronger versions but without the crazy hunger loss and probably playable for a wile. but we dont have that rn so i definitely agree there needs to be some meet between for everyone if they dont want to make it where u can chose

i want everyone to be happy i just dont know what they will do but its early so we will see

[mighty girder]

guys theyve confirmed the time from adult -> senior is sped up for testing stop leaving feedback that its too fast its faster on purpose atm LOL

[wooden agate]

well think about the current system, but having a much longer time frame

we know its currently sped up for testing, they want as many people getting thru the system as fast as possible to break it as much as possible.

so in the end, when you have all those buffed mutations and you're staying a FG adult for 2-3 hours and then prime elder for 3-4 hours, it becomes alot better.

also, theres the possibility that a fully mutated animal will eventually lead into the strains (hypers, tissos, neuros)

[copper cradle]

hopefully it will lead into to hypos or something to get that end goal, i didn't know the devs confirmed it was sped up so thanks for informing me on that

[wooden agate]

no worries

i think alot of peoples main issue with elders currently are two things

a) way too fast
b) requirements are not known

on the first, we know its sped up. after its adjusted, then we can talk about if it is too fast.

on the second though, i can understand it. its not really normal for games to do things like that today, but on one hand i can see why the devs did it. natural learning in games is rare enough in games, but when it works well, its incredible. being immersed enough to naturally come to understand whats required for elder is likely the goal and even if it takes a bit, i can respect the devs for atleast attempting it rather than just giving us a step by step.

[pallid ocean]

so thats is a good plus i was just voicing my concers with someone else who agreed but i will def giv it a shot

[pallid ocean]

been most exited for tisso over any other the cammo babys

[wooden agate]

also, allo may be coming in this HT so at the very least, we might be getting that

[pallid ocean]

the more we get the closer i get to my god the spoon

[icy lion]

@pale peak swap to hordetesting

[copper cradle]

thats 1 thing i like is the fact the requirements are unknown and the biggest thing with the isle is the learning curve, the map, different play styles ect and im all for it, learning what is required without some tutorial step by step is like you said is the best way progress and gain experience

[pallid ocean]

hey can u send me the requs for prime elder

please

[urban flax]

@tacit bison You're aware devs aren't the one who make the hacks, right ?

[tacit bison]

yes but they dont help with it either as its just getting worst then they dont help by making the dynamics of the game infuriating . This is why servers arent filling up like they use to just a couple months ago. its no longer a chill game

[urban flax]

They ban hackers when they can

[tacit bison]

its either we die of starvation trying to grow or we get fg to die to a baby orange cera who 1 hits everything. thats my point . there is no inbetween any more....

[urban flax]

How do you die of starvation

[tacit bison]

by ai not spawning in any location no matter where u look. u can go from sp to west to hl to wa to delta to north and maybe see a rabbit and 2 players u cant kill . the only spot that 100% usually has food is westrail beach sea turtles. not even mentioning deino life is non existent any more

[junior nymph]

for one I think they tried something to stop hackers on the HT as ive seen none in my like 30-35 hours of playing it. 2: starving is kinda a skill issue and also is apart of the game

[tacit bison]

its not. as i said before when u do get fg u die to a hacker, i didnt say its impossible. i said theres no inbetween any more which is making the game no longer a relaxing game to play .....

[wooden agate]

i also havent seen any on HT but ive heard about one or two

[junior nymph]

could also be people who are just mad

[urban flax]

AI is there, I can find it consistently

[tacit bison]

youre literally brain dead..... youre only circling the point you think youre good at . well done champ . you must be really pro

[cosmic lantern]

Dude don't waste your breath

[tacit bison]

yeah figured after he riding the game

[urban flax]

One of us always dies of starvation
The other never does

I wonder who is braindead here

[cosmic lantern]

This inplementation of the elder system makes me so sad. I play videogames to escape how harsh life is for a little bit. Last thing I need is a "Your prime is over, you're getting old and dying" simulator.

[urban flax]

And then you reincarnate and become stronger than in your previous life

[cosmic lantern]

that's not the point at all, the game was almost perfect 3 years ago now we constantly get suff nobody wants really and the things we ask nad plea for to be fixed get ignored

[urban flax]

A lot of people were asking for the elder system actually

[cosmic lantern]

i read the discord daily... do you actually?

[urban flax]

I do

[wooden agate]

the elder system was one of the most hype aspects of the game for years lol

[cosmic lantern]

you ignore a lot of the community- really sad

[urban flax]

So do you, by ignoring all those who were hyped for the elder system

[cosmic lantern]

trying to be fair and all of my followers have the same complain, we love the game but it gets frustrating now

[urban flax]

That's because times are shortened for testing purposes

[junior nymph]

@mystic moat that will probably be how it is on official release, rn its the way it is due to them wanting to foil the bugs out

[tranquil finch]

@tall vine could you please explain to me how you don't see fixing bugs as a good thing for the game?

no hate at all i would just love to hear your thought process

[tall vine]

i agree with bugfixing not the rest for example, omni taking damage if hit while he's on top of someone is a legit thing since forever

[tranquil finch]

no i mean, taking damage from THE dino you are pouncing

sorry if that confused you i will edit it to be more clear

[tall vine]

then i misunderstood

[tranquil finch]

nah sorry i probably said it wrong

[tall vine]

pounce has been bugged forever tho

[tranquil finch]

yeah and thats why i came forward to finally address this

[tall vine]

u and many others with myself included

let's hope they adress the still not completed and polished dinos they already released instead of giving all the attention to rex and all the others big playables that clearly got way more done to their kit to their advantage

[tranquil finch]

yeah though i dont think it will happen

also why is omniraptor just a copy of velociraptors from JP

@mystic hare @mystic moat don already said its like this only for testing you dont have to write suggestions it will get changed like you said

[tall vine]

cuz they are not looking for realism, rex is also a copy from jp even the sounds, the real counterpart is not rlly like that

[tranquil finch]

#general-feedback message
@long edge

you don’t need to make feedback it’s intended and will be changed.

[long edge]

There was more substance to my feedback than only that, but good to know. Thank you.

[tranquil finch]

just saying you and many other dont have to talk about this at all it only floods the channel for no reason at all

[outer pond]

From past history with the devs, if the community dont voice its outrage over and over and over and over, nothing will be done about it. Hell, theres still plenty of things that the community as whole is still pleading for just for it to be ignored. So I say let them keep saying it. I personally, if the elder system aint made to the point where I get my times worth as an adult (Equal to the time it takes to reach adulthood) Im refunding this game. Im not being punished for playing the game. For a large dino (Rex, Stego, Trike, Deino) it can take me up to two or three weeks just to reach adulthood. I dont get much time to play cause of work and other life commitments. And Im not the only one in this boat.

[tranquil finch]

the owner literally said it will be changed and it is intentional

[outer pond]

The owner has said alot of things

[tranquil finch]

u cant refund this game anymore

[outer pond]

Wanna bet? Ive refunded games before past their window of opportunity twice due to the devs making changes to the game that completly changes the game, and making it practically unplayable. And given this current iteration of elder system. Makes it unplayable for me.

[tranquil finch]

its not even in the main branch so its definitely not "unplayable" for you, also it heavily depends on your playtime

[outer pond]

But once its removed from hord testing and implemented into the game, it makes it unplayable for in the main branch. And thats obvisouly what Im talkin about when I say "if they dont fix it"

[tranquil finch]

they said they will dude what are you talking about

[outer pond]

Yes, but like I said, theyve said many things before. So Im talking about, let people keep talking about the in the discussion channel to make sure its actually followed through on.

[tranquil finch]

could you provide proof of them saying many things before and then not doing them?

[outer pond]

Theres a lot of em, so its hard to remember all of them off the top of my head, but some are general food bugs. Mainly prefered diets always being buggy. Been promising for years to fix it, still buggy. Not to mention other countless bugs. They promised for years that hypsie would get their climbing ability. We only recently got that due to the community constantly asking for it (if they didnt they probably wouldnt have gotten it). When the devs announced they were stopping development that they would quickly reiterate the dinos back into the pool of envirma. its been 5 years and yet to have them. Hell the allo itself was only suppose to be animations reworks. Why aint it in the game yet?

[tranquil finch]

so you aren’t going to back up your claim with proof then

[outer pond]

Yeah, absoultey can, it will just take an hour or so to actually backlog it. But I gotcha.

[urban flax]

You don't understand one thing about game development if you think allo is just "animation reworks"

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/1-gif-7927775809230802910

[limber hull]

who the hell ever said allo was just an animation rework lmao

imagine dropping a random legacy animal with new animations in EVRIMA

[normal shuttle]

Somehow even less mechanically complex than dryo

🥀

[mystic moat]

oh I see. I figured it would probably change but I want sure

[mystic moat]

that makes sense. thanks for pointing it out to me

[tranquil finch]

youre welcome

[pure zinc]

i tried nesting as a trike (80%) and fore some reason when i make a nest i cannot lay eggs i tried everything,does anyone know how to fix this?

[urban flax]

Do you have a mate ?

[pure zinc]

yes, i tried everything logging,re-pairing and building nest 5 times no one was infertile and we had a really good diet,animation just caneled in the first 2 seconds i tried positiong 20 times i really don't get what the problem was

[urban flax]

Seems like a bug

[proper bluff]

why does the game's performance gets worse and worse each update? like ik the unreal engine and stuff, but my fps on the main branch are decently high and stable (60-80, sometimes dropping to 40 in crowded areas). optimization should be top priority (ik i should be writing this on general feedback but im still on cooldown)

[urban flax]

Hordetest always has worse performance

[dense escarp]

@unreal obsidian I made a bug report about this yesterday. Consider doing it too. Nearly got me killed 😅

[junior nymph]

@twilit bramble people wanted it smaller so sadly the devs made it smaller 🙁

it as in the map

also this was remvoed

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @summer olive You..you kinda do have to say something about it. Cuse all I see is people wanting to join the HT servers

[unreal obsidian]

I will, so devs know its not just random issue.

[summer olive]

Yeah no cuz I think everyone will agree that there shouldnt be queues of 73 people trying to get into a server in the first place. either increase the capacity or add more servers...

[indigo gulch]

But they can’t because the last time they did that the servers crashed constantly. Also, they are hordetesting servers. Buying more servers for a hordetest that can be popular is just not a good investment.

Look at the ping that is already happening in the servers

[summer olive]

then yeah buy more servers OR just allow inofficials to host servers on hordtesting as well. Problem solved.

[indigo gulch]

You see people complain about it. What will happen if you increase the player population even MORE?

[indigo gulch]

Allowing unofficials to host servers in hordetesting defeats the point of hordetesting….

[summer olive]

I dont know. There are ways to fix these things. I see alot of inofficial servers with 200+ occupied slots run with a better ping than the official servers. also other games happen to be able to manage such big servers.

[indigo gulch]

Because the devs aren’t getting those stats. The server owners can (and very likely will) adjust settings

[summer olive]

yeah well there eventually will be problems everywhere if you keep looking for them.

[summer olive]

then maybe they should get. or more likely alter the ´norm´ stats for servers in general so they run faster and more stable. The ping isnt a hordetest issue. Most official servers have ping issues

[indigo gulch]

But that is literally the MAIN problem of your solution

[summer olive]

Tell me why is it literally possible to run stable servers with alot of player slots for everyone else but the devs? Like theyre literally owning the game..?

[indigo gulch]

You can’t test things if every testing ground has different variables. Because it affects your test results

[summer olive]

thats not what i meant. I meant making general changes to the normal stats of the whole game in order to make it run more stable for everyone. Eventually theyll have to do that anyways

[indigo gulch]

Because 1: those unofficial servers run 1-2 servers at most, while officials run multiple per region. 2: these are hordetest servers that get the more unstable patches (because they are TESTS) so that main branch doesn’t have these issues

[summer olive]

as i already said the high pings and unstable servers arent only a hordetesting problem. theyre unstable in the official branch as well.

[indigo gulch]

And that’s what they do with the data calculated from official servers that all have set variables. But again, unofficials changes mutation values, growth times etc. Those negatively affect the test results which means they can’t proper make those changes

[summer olive]

What does the amount of servers have to do with the stability tho?

You mean the 10000000 unofficials run more stable because multiple people host them?

[indigo gulch]

Because they all come from the same general server.

[indigo gulch]

Yes, generally

[summer olive]

why dont they use multiple then

[indigo gulch]

(Assumption) Because that’s the equivalent to using multiple providers for difference phones. It’s an annoying thing to deal with, varies prices and costs and is hard to keep track of

[summer olive]

theyre multiple devs as well. why dont multiple devs host multiple servers then? in your logic it should make them run more stablke

[indigo gulch]

You realize it’s not done by the devs themselves right?

[summer olive]

they literally recoded the whole game. I think keeping track of 4 different providers wont be that big of a problem

[summer olive]

then who hosts the official servers?

[indigo gulch]

They use Epic iirc

[summer olive]

sorry, whats that?

[indigo gulch]

Epic games

They provide the servers iirc

[summer olive]

bruh

[indigo gulch]

That’s why the servers are down whenever Epic is having problems

[summer olive]

but why do other games have little to no issues with that, like there has to be a solution if others can do it too, right?

[summer olive]

damn

[indigo gulch]

You have to keep in mind that there are hundreds of variables causing performance issues. Especially in the Isle, it can be anything from foliage to AI issues. The problem, and the reason why I wanted you just to clarify your feedback, is that the Hordetest is a temporary beta of the beta (ironic). It is barely up and when it is, it sometimes is completely empty (so getting more, even for exceptions, is just not a good investment.) However since Rex dropped it is filled with people. Not only is the AI supposedly creating ping issues, it can also be the insane amount of new trees and areas. They can’t know yet because testing. The testing needs to happen in a controlled environment, so unofficials are out of the question even though it could solve some ping and queue issues. And they can’t “fix” the servers because the servers are not theirs but the ones they….loan for the lack of a better word from Epic.

So a bit tldr, getting new servers isnt a worthy investment for a one-off high amount of hordetest players and unofficials would make the hordetesting invalid

Also, as for other companies, Riot for example massively suffered from overloaded servers when their new popular TFT mode came out. They could also not fix the issue for that Public Testing Environment (PBE) but also weren’t incentivised to because it’s supposed to be temporary anyways

(Am sorry that was long, im inbetween assignment work atm)

[summer olive]

it wouldnt make them invalid. unofficial servers wouldnt change the test results from the official servers. They would only make the hordetesting more accessable for alot of people and also fix the way too long queues from the officials. or in what way would unofficial servers alter the test results of the official servers?

[summer olive]

no problem. Im open to learn new things.

[summer olive]

yes I know. I knew when atlas for example launched first the servers were full and the rubberbanding was unbearable. they however managed to fix that within 2 weeks. And in the isle this has been a problem in probably forever since evrima came out. before that somehow I never experienced these issues on the old official servers

[indigo gulch]

Atlas? Which game is this? A liveservice game?

[summer olive]

its like sea of thieves but from the producers of ark survival evolved. (Wildcard back then)

and the server system there is even way more complicated since you literally sail between servers ingame. (You change servers ingame automatically once you reach a certain region of the map)

but the game is dead nowadays because the development was dropped because they started working on the new ark

[indigo gulch]

Uh my personal experience is a bit lab oriented, so I will make an example that works similarly. For instance imagine server A. Server A has increased growth timers to incentivise people to play on their server. Server B doesn’t have that, but has nerfed and buffed certain mutations. Now if the devs would evaluate how well a rex can get to full grown, they can’t use server A’s data, as they have tempered with growth times. Server B hasn’t, but mutations affect gameplay, so it’s still different from your own testing pool so you can’t mix results. And if a lot of people play on unofficials, they lose out on data that they could use for patching and changing rex growth if necessary.

[indigo gulch]

Awe that sucks :/

[summer olive]

but why would they even take unofficial server test results into consideration?

[summer olive]

It does because it was fun to play once. but now everything is bugged out and youre literally alone between 40 servers

[summer olive]

like I mean they should enable unofficial servers but they obviously should still not take their results into their own test results. they should only take the results of the officials.

[indigo gulch]

That’s the point, they can’t but if people mainly play on unofficials while on the branch that is primarily used for testing, they will miss out on a lot of data

Like a LOT of data

Because there would be more unofficials than officials

[summer olive]

not really because the officials will remain full as ever but without +100 queues. It doesnt make a big difference wether the people in the queue play on another server or not, since they dont contribute to the data pool in any way, you know?

[indigo gulch]

(Also I’m afraid I must go, but hopefully get some time to pick this up later)

[summer olive]

its okay! Have a good day.

[summer olive]

limit the unofficial server amount?

[indigo gulch]

(I did swap to a checkmark tho since you changed the description of your feedback👍🏻)

[summer olive]

https://tenor.com/view/iceage-possum-peaceout-gif-2272177960667492692

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message At least we have spearfishing in the meantime

[gentle lichen]

#general-feedback message

but trike oneshotting things is ok

[woven bane]

@vestal tendon the bleed is height dependent, running or having low vitals makes the bleed way worse, that might be it. and in no scenario should you take more than 1 pounce lol

[vestal tendon]

What if I had bleed resistance mutation

[woven bane]

how low did the herrera get you

[vestal tendon]

Health was good, but bleed got me lower and lower

Even on resting

Bleed was almost full and when he pounced again bleed was full, could not recover from it

And those two pounces were from a small distance

[woven bane]

that dosen’t sound right, its bleed and damage is pretty much matched in terms of potency, if it could do 700 bleed damage from a small jump then it’d be consistently bleeding out tenos from max height which it can’t do

[vestal tendon]

He was on that mid sized tree not on top branch, he pounced I got almost full bleed and when he pounced again my bleed was full and I bled out

He did not rlly do much dmg, bleed got me

I had bleed resistance that is why I am complaining

I was 100% dilo

with perfect diet

[woven bane]

the math isn’t mathing, are you sure that the herrera wasn’t high up?

[vestal tendon]

no it was not

It was those mid sized trees

[woven bane]

those mid sized trees are quite big, it only gives the illusion that they’re small because the environment and the playables are massive as well

[pliant elm]

Well, if you were a Dilo, that explains everything. Dilo has terrible bleeding resistance

Herrera can hitkill a Dilo if he jumps from the right height. So, even though he's not from a very high height, the bleed Herrera causes is still quite high on a Dilo

[vestal tendon]

I have played this game long enough, that tree was not that high enough for that high of a bleed dmg

[vestal tendon]

yeah that makes sense, and sucks

[pliant elm]

Well, that's how Herrera hunts

Considering that in most cases a herrera will hardly hit more than 1 jump

[tardy zephyr]

@cinder haven make a bug report

[cinder haven]

requires too much information

I'm going to do it

[vestal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[mighty girder]

Dropping a reminder because people still arent aware: ELDER TIMES ARE SPED UP FOR TESTING THE ENTOMB PROCESS IT WONT BE THIS FAST

[odd swift]

you just said that rex was too easy to kill, then went on about how rex is too op. Come on bro

[clear sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma-dinosaur-cane-point-old-gif-17121498

how I see elder system atm

[chilly ermine]

In a survival situation becoming an elder means staying alive. Most animals avoid fighting so that they can become old and reproduce, not seek out a fight, especially one that might seriously wound or kill them. This first sentence doesn't make sense unless you are talking about a game designed to reward combat. I just don't think that there shold be PVP goals that give buffs. That slants the gameplay to focus on combat, not survival. Survival through non-combat is a survival strategy, not cowardice.

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-green-screen-creem-garvy-discord-gif-21105824

[urban flax]

background is the wrong color
0/10 reaction gif

[midnight heath]

It used to work, I swear

I miss funny old Discord

[twilit bramble]

Oof sadge

[chilly ermine]

@merry tundra A pretty astute observation there. I hadn't thought about it like that but it's dead on

[merry tundra]

thank you!

[valid zephyr]

@frank notch I noticed this too.

Small fast grow playables really struggle to reach prime, as they hit the threshold before they can physically fill the requirements.

visit a sanctuary as juvie

oops I grew too fast to reach it in time, even holding sprint in that direction since spawn

visit multiple patrol zones

(only one patrol zone spawns in your entire creatures lifetime)

[chilly ermine]

I thought about this, you would have to deliberatly have a poor diet to slow growth (salt)

[eternal ingot]

Is the hordetest restarting?

[outer cargo]

So, how do we feel about this graph?

[merry ore]

@orchid gull
#general-feedback message
I think you will like my suggestion

[merry ore]

Wouldn't it be easier to add the fragile state as the final stage of the dinosaur's life before its natural death?

[outer cargo]

I just don't like being punished into the fragile state even when I complete the scavenger hunt

[merry ore]

btw, why did you vote against my suggestion?

[ornate pewter]

Do we actually KNOW, that PZ, MZ, and Sanct, are requirements for ALL playables?

Do we even know if completing tasks guarantees Prime at all?

A lot of people complaining about a system we don't even understand.

[outer cargo]

If trike gets to knock things it's weight rex should be able to pin things after lowering their health enough. It's not as simple as Deino's lunge, as you put it

[merry ore]

Yes, it's as simple as Deino's lunge. Besides, there's a difference between using your body to stun things and completely immobilizing them.

Deino would easily be an animal that, in the game's logic, would be able to pick up anything that weighs about the same amount or less, but he had balancing measures in place: he can only pick up things half his weight.

This was done to prevent him from becoming an op-heavy extermination machine. Now, should we treat Rex differently? No, especially when the only thing Rex uses in the game is his crush attack, ignoring his entire arsenal of abilities.

[pallid ocean]

on hord im on na4 rex 30% why cant i see pz and mz i cant find them am i just too far or dose it have sum to do with there only being rexes or what is it

[merry roost]

@full patrol
[BKS]
— 9:05 PM
I'm not sure if its just me and my system, but the elder models are so janky. The animations are so choppy and jittery, I'm not entirely sure why they were released yet because they clearly do not look finished by any means. Got Prime elder pachy on HT NA 3, and every time I turned, even slightly, my model was choppy and honestly was hurtful on the eyes. Just today I was playing Steg on HT NA 2, and came across an Elder steg. The animations looked TERRIBLE! Bouncing about, choppy, and just overall not pleasing to look at. I know it was because of the Elder models because there was another adult steg whose animations looked fine. Please, if something is not ready to be released, don't release it. Or at least fix it in a timely manner.

okay;
so your misunderstanding it as poor animation work when that is a bug

[full patrol]

Either way, if its this prominent of a bug, it needs to be fixed.

[merry roost]

exactly why its hordetest?
to find bugs?

[broken frigate]

Exactly why it goes into feedback :o

[merry roost]

go report it as a bug

critical thinking

[broken frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[full patrol]

Its one thing if the "bug" were to only affect the visual aspect of the game, but it really messes with the mechanics as well.

[merry roost]

good to discuss about it yea, but coming at it as an animation issue when that isnt an animation issue and then saying "never had should been a thing" in the horde test where you get feedback and report bugs for them to fix

[broken frigate]

Just so you know, being kinder and jsut suggesting it would be more beneficial and productive than dissing on people. Just say, hey! Just so you know there is a bug report thing if you didn't know :)

[merry roost]

oh yea exactly, it messes with alot of creature movement, it is most def a bug

[full patrol]

Especially since we don't get a choice on whether to become elder or not ;)

[broken frigate]

Either way it is still feedback on the game xD

At least the choppy animations will encourage us to entomb 🤣

[merry roost]

im more of addressing their overreaction

The animations looked TERRIBLE! Bouncing about, choppy, and just overall not pleasing to look at. I know it was because of the Elder models because there was another adult steg whose animations looked fine. Please, if something is not ready to be released, don't release it

i brought up "hey thats actually a bug" you are actually correct, and then when i get addressed like this thats when i responded how i did

double standards?

[merry roost]

haha yea fr
carno movement really gets skewed with it

you cant skid with it at all it actually sucks

[full patrol]

You had a very "Uhm actually" tone to it.

Nerd glasses and all.

[merry roost]

💀

either way, its a bug, freaking out and complaining about it not being ready and never should have been released in the hoard test suggest more to your tone to it if we want to go that way

it is a bug, unintended in hoard test, good to point it out eitherway

[broken frigate]

I think she meant not to full release till fix the jitter

[full patrol]

And how was I freaking our sir? I'm only stating how horrid the models look.

And play.

[merry roost]

gotcha, yea if its like that then yea my bad

[merry roost]

agreed, carno cant slide so it skews its mobility

alot of the animals that need it during a fight, gets skewed pretty hard

[full patrol]

My point is: Bug or not, if its this serious of an issue and affects gameplay this badly, then something needs to be worked on is all. This kind of bug should have been noticed long before it was released into hordetesting because: How are we supposed to test the system if theyre this broken?

[merry roost]

exactly

like i said, good to bring it up, it really does look like a bug so wording it as terrible animation when its not an animation issue is what i initally was side eyeing bout

[full patrol]

Again. Bug or not, makes the animations horrid XD

[frank notch]

The hipsi spawns are the worst for it xc

I'm talking about swamp! My goodness it's a nightmare.

[harsh jungle]

What am I looking at

[haughty pivot]

Ah man i really wish the devs would listen to us. Everybody keeps complaining about ptera's stam ever since the changes. It's been months, and it's just getting worse. Now we've got a really crappy launch that doesn't work half the time due to rubber banding. I take off, just to be teleported back onto the ground, multiple times in a row. This is so frustrating. We've got the most fun playable the isle has ever offered, then they slowly made it the absolute worst. Despicable.

[eternal ingot]

Rex can’t drop food or organs when extracting them. Fix asap

AI is hordetest are spawning lots on cliffs

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[honest helm]

I just got forced three times in a row into sparring against a smaller KG trike than my Rex. I tried twice to leave and end the sparring, but every time I ran out, it pulled me back into sparring again. On top of that, while forcing me back, I even took some extra damage. Meanwhile, I wasn’t able to deal any damage at all the entire time.
Please add a key to fully end sparring. That would also be useful for run-and-bite tactics.

RIP full-grown Rex couldn’t end the fight even after trying three times, and on the last attempt I died.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

new feedback post, new fundamental misunderstanding of how gamedev works

"Like — the effort put into getting a new shrub in the game or nerfing a feature on a rarely played dinosaur could’ve been spent on a new dinosaur to add to the roster instead"

it really couldn't

you ain't calling on the environmental asset artist to forget everything he knows, pick up a new skillset and start animating deinocheirus

[urban flax]

Skill issue

[honest helm]

Update on what just happened:

I switched to my other Rex, Entomb, and spent 3 hours growing it—it was already 2 tons. I went into the water to harvest organs from a body, entering with 0 stamina, assuming I’d sink to the bottom. But instead, I floated on the surface and didn’t lose any oxygen at all. That seemed off.

My friend warned me to get out or I’d end up dying. So I left the water. About 3 seconds after standing on land, I just dropped dead.

This was a Rex guaranteed to get Prime +6 mutations thanks to Entomb.

We rewatched both perspectives:

On my screen: I entered the water with 0 stamina, stayed at the surface, and didn’t lose O₂ for about 10 seconds. The oxygen icon only started dropping much later. My screen never went black. I swam to land, stood for a few seconds, started walking—and then suddenly collapsed. Even out of the water, the oxygen kept draining until I died.

On my friend’s screen: As soon as I entered the water, I started swimming underwater in a straight line like I was AFK or stuck. From his view, I never left the water. It looked like I drowned deep underwater, but somehow, my death triggered on land—exactly where I had reached on my screen.

[honest helm]

I am not asking for anything, just please fix the gamebreaking problems. even in HT, things like not beeing able to pick up food or smth or having food stuck in mouth cant sit and more or cant stop sparring as rex, i understand. its all new. But literally a bug like this i describe above this comment, i cannot be the first person that tried to swim with a rex without stamina, this problem instantly appeared. You guys should try to test things more before putting it on big HT Release... Problems appear sadly on every part of this game currently... also the cheater problem need to be worked on really quickly.
The game could be so good, but it seems the developer dont have control of it anymore.

[tall vine]

Manual entombment is not a bad feature, when u emtomb ur dino, it leaves it's body on the spot, so even carnis can then smell it and go feast

[vast smelt]

I am a simple man…

I humbly ask that herras be able to carry small prey bodies up trees like a baby raptor

Very sad 😔 kill thing BOW 🙇 dead then go eat but no eat carno nearby, raptor nearby, Dieno nearby

let drag up tree cost a ton of Stam good trade off risky bizz carrying body to tree fair play

[cyan dust]

Can anyone confirm if im crazy or not, I cannot find any AI outside of the single migration zone that hasn't seemed to move in forever.

[latent talon]

Guys what should I do if I have stuck in a hordtesting

[valid zephyr]

@fickle mountain I actually like the new 1, 2, and 4 trike calls a lot.

the new 3 call is a massive downgrade though. It completely misses everything which made the old call 'threatening'

[fickle mountain]

the old 1 call sounds amazing but the new 4 call is better i cant lie

[valid zephyr]

the new 1, 2, and 4 sounds seem to at least take inspiration from the old ones

while the new 3 call just threw the old one in the dumpster

old 3 call was one of my favorite calls in the entire game

[fickle mountain]

yeah the 1 and 3 were my favourite in legacy and the 1 call which was in trike hordetest for a little bit was my all time favourite call

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
they updated the materials and didnt get a chance to add brown rivers, they certainly didnt forget!

[cold crater]

Totally agree. It would be ideal if they can provide better support for controllers. I usually swap to controller if I get tired holding W down especially when growing a trike or something that's slow moving

[proper bluff]

anyone knows why sometimes i dont see nothing on the prefered food list for quite a long time? like i'm sitting in one place regrouping and regrouping and it just doesnt appear

[harsh sun]

Did a developer say that?

[dry falcon]

its obvious (to me at least)
they stated they updated water materials
also stated they upgraded engine versions
so to me, they just didnt get enough to customise the new materials

[junior nymph]

@rugged timber I think its only you

pretty much everyone else has got a increase in fps and optimization

[rugged timber]

What could be the issue then

The ping spikes and the fps go down but my internet is stable and my pc is well over the requirements

[junior nymph]

whats your pc specs?

and is there something running in the background? I was saw a dude running 2 rust servers and a minecraft server on their pc and was questioning why they couldnt run the game

[rugged timber]

RTX 5080 16GB
I9 14900KF
64GB Ram 6000 MT/S

[junior nymph]

wth

[rugged timber]

Besides discord and well my browser with no video on it nope nothing major running in the background

[junior nymph]

I can run with a ryzen 7 5700X and a RTX 3050 and get like 60-100 maybe 144 if im lucky

[rugged timber]

Yeah for me it stays at 120 fps but then suddenly the ping spikes and my fps just drop

And I checked my internet and it's stable so idk

Also no downloads

[junior nymph]

really odd.

delete your config folder

[rugged timber]

Just lost my cera to this so it pisses me off ofc 😅

[junior nymph]

ah yeah

[rugged timber]

You mean from windows or

[junior nymph]

no as in your isles config folder

Ok?

the two apexes are powerful wowie

[limber hull]

this video gave me motion sickness

[junior nymph]

it just made me a bit dizzy

[rugged timber]

Re-Installed my game and did that so we will see

[outer cargo]

A graph

[dim wing]

@gentle lichen what is cera and teno weight????????????

[gentle lichen]

both the same 1,6

but since cera got the stabilisationbuff in my opinion teno should get a weightbuff

especially since now there will be groups of 5

[charred tide]

how much does elder carno weight?

[ember flax]

Cera is 1.3 tons

[charred tide]

elder cera is 1.6t

[ember flax]

Teno doesn't need any buffs rn teno is one of the most flexible playables in the game

[charred tide]

true

[ember flax]

u can outrun ceras so even if they pose a threat u can always outrun them or go to a cliff

and abuse terrain

[gentle lichen]

oh then it was cera and carno having the same weight. sorry. but i still think it should weight more

[gentle lichen]

not with the eldersystem

[ember flax]

Teno is ez as heck to play nowadays back in sprio the stam cost on the attacks used to be punishing now u basically have inf stam with tactical endurance

Teno doesn't need any buffs

I used to like playing teno back in spiro cause carno v teno was fun but now teno is just hella ez

and just boring....

[gentle lichen]

your opinion, probably as an main cera or carno player.
my opinion as parttimeteno is i think it needs a buff and im not the only one

against a good carno or lets say a pack of carnos its still not boring. but the carnogameplay is only run and ram. thats what i would call boring

if a carno doesnt only do this then its quite interesting

[ember flax]

Yeah ik i have killed many tenos recently in pack as carno i even 3v3d tenos and won that doesn't mean to say teno needs a buff that means that those players just weren't good

A good teno beats a good carno 90% of the time

[woven bane]

make it 99

[ember flax]

exactly bro

[gentle lichen]

id say im a decent teno player and still think it would need a buff. maybe not against carnos but for ceras. or ceras need to be nerfed

[frank notch]

at the bare mimimum they need to revert ceratos from 5 to 4, unless they nurf the ceratos(because they deal way too much damage to be considered corpse bullies)

[ember flax]

how are they gonna be corpse bullies when they barely do any dmg

they need to do high dmg lol

[gentle lichen]

idk cera always seemed to be a fav of the devs. never really saw it getting anerf

[woven bane]

if we’ve established that cera is overtuned then why buff teno to deal with it? sounds like power creep, in fact i believe that teno could use a stamina nerf

[ember flax]

Fr

[frank notch]

when around corpses only.

[ember flax]

teno's stamina is hella op after spiro and tactical endurance

[gentle lichen]

nah deffo doesnt need a nerf. thats bs.

well then take the muta away but dont nerf it lol

[frank notch]

They deal stupid amounts of damage without having a corpse around.

[gentle lichen]

carno has so much stam, then we should rather nerf this if you think teno needs a stam nerf

[frank notch]

and 5 of them is not fun in any scenario

[ember flax]

so you're saying they should get a dmg boost when near corpses

[gentle lichen]

carno stam is insane tho

[ember flax]

aswell as dmg reduction

[woven bane]

for an attack that does high cc, damage, fast fire rate and high bleed it comes at a small price of 2%, it’s way too forgiving when it comes to missing

[frank notch]

they already have it, im only reffering to their charge bite

i should of clarified

[gentle lichen]

well then they should also take the swing of the stego away again if we start it like this

[ember flax]

cera doesnt have a dmg boost when near corpses

[woven bane]

ain’t no way you’re bringing up the animal with the worst stamina in the game to justify teno

[gentle lichen]

yes i did

because why being able to swing when 0 stam

[ember flax]

Teno doesn't need no buffs quit coping

[gentle lichen]

your opinion. not mine

either teno should get a buff or cera a nerf

[woven bane]

it’s an alt attack, just like how teno can use its claw attack if it somehow runs out (which never happens)

[frank notch]

unrelated opinion, untill burrows are added.

DRYOS NEED A BUFF PLEASE I BEG

[gentle lichen]

the alt attacks shouldnt be an option without any stam

[woven bane]

what kind of buff

[gentle lichen]

yeah why not

[ember flax]

why does teno even need a buff

[frank notch]

speed buff, and increase the distance the dodge goes.

To keep it simple^

[woven bane]

in general or for stego in particular

[ember flax]

what even is you're reasoning

[gentle lichen]

cuz ceras

[woven bane]

i think the speed is fine

[ember flax]

dude if 2 or 3 ceras pull up on you. You Run away and survive

[gentle lichen]

in general

no stam ure doomed

[frank notch]

nearly every carnivore can catch it

[ashen ocean]

@rugged timber try disabling foliage physics, it fixed it for me

[gentle lichen]

theyre only slightly slower. running doesnt always work

especially if u wanna nerf the stam

[frank notch]

Im saying this as a dryo main who's good at dodging. Who's bamboozled so many carnivores.

Its slower than people think.

[ember flax]

U have way more stam and can always run to a cliff / edge go down it and camp it theres so many options

[gentle lichen]

dryo main, thats a rare thing

[gentle lichen]

maybe i dont wanna run.

[woven bane]

dryo is 45kph and tiny, it can instantly vanish in some bushes if someone chooses to pursue it

[gentle lichen]

maybe i want a fair fight

[frank notch]

have you heard how loud the bush update made them?

[ember flax]

Yeah nerf the stam cost's on the attacks yes but not the running time

[ember flax]

Fair fight when it's a 1v2 or 1v3

[gentle lichen]

if teno needs nerf cera deffo needs one as well. that would be insane, especially since the hordetest. teno doesnt get much more weight when prime whilst other dinosaurs get so much more

[woven bane]

it being slower than the carnivores we have does make sense when you realize they’re proclaimed speedsters, you’d have to make it above 47.5kph if you don’t want it to be ran down by most

[ember flax]

The system is new it can be changed

[gentle lichen]

1v2 cera is still difficult if theyre fg since the stabilisation

[frank notch]

Their hitboxes despite them being small are larger around the tail. Most carnivores can tailride dryos and 1 tap them regardless.

This is unless the dryo has congenital hypoplasia and the carnivores hit them on the tail.

[woven bane]

yeah but once you break line of sight and make some distance they won’t catch up, troodon is 45kmh and does just fine, dryo is no different

[frank notch]

This is only meant to be temporary until burrows are added anyway

[frank notch]

Troodons are 1/2 the size of dryos of course they get away

Have you seen the size comparison of dryo to the rest of the roster? its not as small as you're making it out to be

[woven bane]

imma keep it real it’s pretty small, the fact that it’s even 130kg is impressive

[frank notch]

Regardless, either it gets a speed boost.

The sounds it makes are lowered

Or they buff the nearly useless dodge

Dryo is gonna remain rare.
It needs something to become properly viable

hell the only bleed it did was ripped away by the devs.

Even though it makes sense for a kick from it to do bleed because its a BURRROWING creature.

[woven bane]

the bleed was negligible, it made no difference. dryo is heavily slept on, played it the other day and i was thriving

it’s very viable if you know how to dodge and use your agility

oh and it’s nocturnal so i usually hide during the day

[stone hatch]

is the kicked for drowning thing a bug? I assumed it was a feature to prevent players from killing themselves to respawn

My spawn code for friend expired so I was just trying to die. I assumed the devs implemented a feature to punish this behavior I was doing

[dim seal]

When I finally get through the queue, I often get errors. Is there anyone else who has this problem?

[stone hatch]

everyone I know. The devs are aware of it im sure, such things just unfortunately happen in hordetesting

[dim seal]

true 🙂

[outer cargo]

Alright this is bull

The speed ain't that bad, but the biteforce

[limber hull]

im the beipi in the first pic yippee

[merry ore]

You should thank God that Rex is not a natural cannibal.

[merry ore]

Did you become a Deino but with more weight?
Man, thats sad.

[outer cargo]

That's a rex

[merry ore]

I don't see any difference between a Deino and a Rex except the weight with that "fragile" status 🥀

[outer cargo]

Do you just hate rex or sumn?

[faint aurora]

can someone explain to me why na2 (no ai) on ht just is the only server that will not work for me. it just says connecting infinitely and when it does actually let me in i get dissconnected shortly after. i have no issue on ANY other ht server im so sick of it.

[merry ore]

Rex is a Deino with no restrictions so yes 🥀

Unbalanced and with skill neglect, he became a plague in HT because his gameplay is weak.

[outer cargo]

Alright, then your opinion is moot. You're biased

[merry ore]

No, I'm not? I'm logical

If you can't separate gameplay feel from logic, then you're the problem.

Speaking of Rex, most people voted in favor of my suggestion to create a restriction on Rex with his Crush, so we're on a good path.

[faint aurora]

saying a 10 ton land animal, and an 8 ton semi aquatic animal that needs water way more than land to even survive, is basically the same thing, is like so far from logical pal, youre simply a hater of rex and thats okay, but dont go spewing nonsense so confidently xD

[outer cargo]

Thank you

[merry ore]

What? I don't hate Rex itself, I hate the fact that nothing in the current cast can properly handle him in his current state, even when he is younger, That's why I hate him, I like him, but I don't like his current state and that makes me hate him.

It's not hard to understand, wtf?

Furthermore, I clearly wasn't referring to the habitats of both, but the way logic is being used, Young Rex can grab animals bigger than himself and sometimes heavier.

The logic used is that just because he is heavier, it's okay for him to kill almost everything using a single attack, ignoring his entire arsenal of skills, when this shouldn't happen.

When it shouldn't be like that, Deino is heavier than 90% of the characters in the game, a restriction was given that GUARANTEES balance to him, carrying animals that represent 50% of his weight.

.
Rex should not receive exclusive treatment considering that a single skill is making him ignore his other skills, he needs balancing.

This is logical and I am not being partial, I would not want Deino to be able to carry anything lighter or of its own weight, like other Deinos, I want BALANCE, the same applies to Rex.

[outer cargo]

You implying nothing can handle a 50 pound critter?

[outer cargo]

Again, you have to have the skill to lower their stam and health enough first to do so

[outer cargo]

And trike can deal around 6,000 damage with thrash and I don't hear you whining about it

[merry ore]

50 pounds? He's born weighing 51 kg, the problem is that he's capable of killing anything that weighs the same or slightly more.

[outer cargo]

Cerato can handle things 3 times it's weight. This isn't an exclusive issue

[merry ore]

I literally complained the entire Trike update about this, stop making up words.

Like Reddit and other places.

[outer cargo]

Even so, trike completely invalidates your argument that Rex is unstoppable, a skilled trike can handle 2 rexes without much issue

[merry ore]

Tell me the logic of comparing something that requires minimal skill to avoid taking hits to stay alive with something that can literally grab your dinosaur and kill it in the most pathetic way possible that took hours and you can't fight back no matter what you do?

And it's even worse when that's the only attack Rex uses.

[merry ore]

What logic is this? Are you telling me that the problem of another playable character justifies another problem? What are you trying to get at?

Also, Trike doesn't invalidate my argument because it refers to Rex, not Trike, you're the one who talked about Trike.

Rex clearly needs balancing, there is no way to say that he will be weak because of a balancing because he has the highest biteforce in the game (950).

[outer cargo]

Rex's resource management and time investment is enough of a drawback in my opinion. and crush, your boogeyman, leaves rex stunned for a time upon a miss and cannot be spammed. unlike, for example, charge bite, thrash, Maia stomp, carno charge, pounce, tailswing, etc. Rex remains within the double-triple digits for at least a few hours but keeps the abysmal stamina of it's full growth for it's entirety. Also, if you do spend the 8-9 hours growing a rex you deserve power in my opinion. also it's 850 bite

So you're just a hater

[merry ore]

Power is not imbalance.

[merry ore]

And why would I hate Rex as character? I hate how unbalanced he is and his abilities are neglected, Did you even read my post about me "hating Rex"? Because apparently not.

[merry ore]

.

[outer cargo]

Alright, tell me a way to "Fix" rex. Complaining is easy, fixing an issue is harder

Because here's a suggestion. Using crush, even on a miss, costs 20 stamina

[merry ore]

Why do you say that as if I were an active game dev? I have no access to anything, I'm a mere consumer, all I can do is suggest changes for the better, Talking is easy when it's the only way to have a chance to make a change, after all, no one here besides the Devs can actively change the game.

[outer cargo]

Exactly, you're hating without even trying to make the situation better

I gave a suggestion, agreeing with you, and you just brushed over it

[merry ore]

W h at ?

I'm not even hating, I'm literally talking about what happens in the game and how to solve it.

[outer cargo]

I asked you to tell me how you'd fix it and you just brushed it off. I'm trying to come to an agreement and you're just spiraling the conversation into anger

[merry ore]

This sounds similar to Deino, it's good, but I don't know if that's specifically what he needs.

Rex has two animals capable of chasing and killing him easily if he loses all stamina in a few attacks.

[outer cargo]

It would, as you wanted, encourage rex to use it's other abilities. For when they're knocked they can't dodge the crush

[merry ore]

Like Stego and Trike, so this gives him the guaranteed death sentence.

[outer cargo]

20 stamina is devastating for rex. even if it uses no stamnia beforehand that leaves him on the trot threshhold

[merry ore]

This is not good for something that takes 8-9 hours to grow.

[outer cargo]

Alright, what about 15 stamnia?

we're trying to make rex harder, aren't we?

[merry ore]

We are trying to make Rex balanced, both for Rex himself and for the game's Cast.

[merry ore]

Okay, that sounds better, punitive but not overly so.

[outer cargo]

We could make the stun a little longer and make the cooldown longer

[merry ore]

But there is still the problem that he doesn't know how to use other attacks because he only uses the Crush attack in the current state, making him extremely annoying to everyone, including Rex Vs Rex.

[merry ore]

Are you referring to an animal taking longer to get up or being vulnerable to the stun attack itself?

[outer cargo]

After using crush rex is locked in place for the animation even on a miss, like pachy

[merry ore]

I prefer a Rex Vs Rex fight to be like Deinos, based on constant hits.

It's really frustrating that a single attack decides the fate of the entire fight.

[outer cargo]

We could make so crush has a higher pin max weight on a stunned target, encouraging a combo

[ember flax]

@dreamy bough the current elder system is sped up for ppl to frequently test and brake the system as much as possible so they can bug fix

[outer cargo]

And lower the crush pin max on non-stunned targets, like 60-70% of it's weight

[merry ore]

Holy cow, finally a logical and interesting addition.

I suggested something like this in my solution list, where a Rex can only use its Crush attack when it uses its stun on prey, or when it is sitting/lying down, but I didn't think about the part about increasing the ability to lift more weight by % this way.

It was more like the act of causing stun allowed you to use Crush on anything, but doing it based on weight gains sounds better.

[outer cargo]

Maybe we should do more with the spar mechanic, to give it another way to handle trikes without just doing brainless crush spam

[merry ore]

Indeed

[outer cargo]

any ideas?

@merry ore

[merry ore]

I'm going to be busy for a bit now, I'll be back later to resume the discussion.

[outer cargo]

k

[honest helm]

The game undeniably has some serious issues – we all know that. But if you want us, the community, to appreciate you as developers and stand behind you, why take features away from us, like the F2 recording key in HT?

Even more importantly: why don’t you warn players that the report button causes a fatal error? That’s not just annoying, it’s unfair. Instead of being able to help by reporting bugs or misconduct, we get punished with a crash and then have to sit through an overcrowded queue all over again – sometimes twice, because the servers are full.

A simple warning or a quick fix would already go a long way toward rebuilding trust. We want to enjoy playing this game – and surely, you want us to love it too.

[outer cargo]

You have any ideas on how to make rex better?

[dapper pecan]

Hello, I want to report a serious issue I’ve been experiencing in Evrima. On the official E4 110-player server, I encountered a small dinosaur that was able to one-shot me instantly. This has happened to me more than once with the same type of dinosaur, which makes me believe there is a widespread one-shot cheat being used. If these kinds of hacks are not addressed and prevented soon, I will unfortunately have to stop playing and uninstall the game until it feels fair and enjoyable again. Please take action against this problem as it is ruining the gameplay experience for many of us.

[outer cargo]

Oh yeah, those are just hackers

[honest helm]

The Rex itself is pretty well balanced.
The Rex Elder Prime, however, should feel different. It’s heavier than a normal Rex, yet it moves faster both when trotting and running, while having about the same stamina. Why should a heavier Rex be faster than a lighter one?

Also, the bugs are really breaking the experience right now, but overall the implementation in the game is pretty well done.

[outer cargo]

Me and Muto came to an agreement that rex should be encouraged to do more than use crush, so far we came up with
1: Just using crush, even on a miss, costs a good chunk of stamina
2: The pin max weight increases on stunned targets
3: The sparring mechanic would have a finishing move of sorts upon winning the spar. Not an instant kill but a chunk of damage (1000-1500) and a stun

Any more ideas @honest helm ?

@honest helm ?

[steep latch]

@obsidian jetty Re-read my post i have just edited it

[honest helm]

I’m not entirely sure, since the Rex topic is very complex and requires a lot of careful thought and consideration. But overall, I’ve already shared my opinion on the Rex. I think it’s great that you’re putting so much thought into it.

sry take long to write back

but overall rex adjustments need to be thought hardly of. its really a complex topic and need to be carefully handled.

[outer cargo]

@merry ore you back yet?

[merry ore]

I will be available in 2H 30 mins

[outer cargo]

zamn

[obsidian jetty]

I saw that and I re-read it, but I still disagree. You said it yourself. Why should you be rewarded for failure? I, personally, find it odd already that you get to keep the 3 mutations you got during that "failed" life. I think it would be better if entombing after failing to reach prime elder reset you to the state you were in when you spawned. So the reward would be not losing the mutations you gained previously (if it's not your first life), but also you wouldn't gain any more. But then again, I am just someone who enjoys pain and suffering, I guess...

[steep latch]

@obsidian jetty But they won't be rewarded not till the end. The Prime will get better stats and a fourth mutation and will get to use them for far far longer. Just that by not giving the player the fourth mutation at the end, many players would just call it quits and restart. Which I think is rediculous as people put in their time only to know they failed. By giving them the option to carry on and get the last mutation just gives them a reason to wait to entomb at the end. They still have terrible stats why give them no hope as well.

[obsidian jetty]

but say you already replicated that animal twice and reached prime elder both times. You then, as it currently stands, have 8 mutations already. If you jump off a cliff or run into a Rex's mouth because you failed you lose those 8 you already had.

[steep latch]

@obsidian jetty well you die ofc. But this way lets say you get terrible luck on your first run and you are gunning for the four mutations but don't achieve the prime elder. You could still continue on and go on to get the fourth mutation if you so desired. This is not a massive change as the Fragile Elder is still weak and will have only 3 mutations for the last stint of it's life. They are already severely punished, the loss of another mutation might just be the decisive factor in calling it quits.

Like look at it in the time span, the Prime will get better stats overall and the all it's mutations way quicker and perfect for entombment. The fragile will have to wait a further 25% with degrading stats and is still far more likely to die.

[obsidian jetty]

I see where you're coming from, but I'd simply prefer to just start over if I didn't make it than cheese my way through it by just hiding in a bush for another 25% to then just be as good as someone who actually succeeded in the next life. I just think that'd be unfair to the people who actually managed to do it properly.

[steep latch]

Well maybe to prevent the player from then just hiding away, maybe they will have to nest to unlock the fourth mutation. What do you think to that?

[obsidian jetty]

then what happens to the offspring? They get born with only 3 mutations and won't be able to get that 4th? That's actually something I've been thinking about anyway, I don't really understand how nesting fits into this all, but I guess we'll see.

[sudden zodiac]

Hey guys, I just bought this game but I can't find a server. Is something going on?

[obsidian jetty]

are you on the right branch?

[sudden zodiac]

branch?

[obsidian jetty]

Ok, I see. right click on The Isle in your library, select Properties, then betas and select evrima

[sudden zodiac]

thanks

[obsidian jetty]

you're welcome, have fun 🙂

[sudden zodiac]

Thank you so much!

[lucid copper]

i have a question, i made it to prime elder rex and kept gaining weight, biteforce etc. even got the 4th mutation at 76%. but i had to eat a sub adult rex after cuz of starving and my stats went back to normal adult rex. is this just a bug and will go after sickness or will it stuck like that. just hit 82 percent growth and still not morphing

[outer cargo]

@merry ore it's been 2 hours

[merry ore]

https://tenor.com/view/shockwave-dotm-gif-25739013

What was it again?

[outer cargo]

We were discussing how to expand the complexity of rex's spar

@merry ore

[merry ore]

IM HERE DUDE

[outer cargo]

sorry

any ideas?

[merry ore]

No problem, my discord has 4k pings anyway and I'm not even kidding, I've had 25,000 one time.

[merry ore]

It depends... what was the initial intention of expanding the complexity of the Spar? Maybe Rex can cancel a Trike's spar using stun?

[outer cargo]

I have an idea, how about upon winning the spar rex stuns the trike and gets to do a finishing move, dealing around 1000-1500 damage. Stuns already do that, cancelling spar

[merry ore]

This makes sense, if the trike has less hp at the moment.

[outer cargo]

Maybe we can do a run as rexes together, get some first hand experience for balance?

[merry ore]

Hmmmm that sounds good, but first I'm going to complete my Deino.

[outer cargo]

sure

[merry ore]

my beloved

[outer cargo]

Can I hop on with you as deino?

[nova delta]

#general-feedback message @ornate pewter can you elaborate please where you find joy on Ptera atual gameplay? I need some tips

[ornate pewter]

Sure.

I like the aspect of planning my route, the need for percision and awareness of good resting and flight points.

To look below and see a fish, or another food source, and think to myself, "I will get that food, then eat and rest in a safe spot", but moreover, knowing even before I go for the fish, that the resting point at X elevation which I will use can allow me to travel X new area with minimal stamina drain.

A less experienced Ptera player would choose the wrong elevated position, and would be forced to build stamina a second time before making the desired journey to the aforementioned X location.

If stamina was no issue, there would be minimal sense of accomplishment.

[nova delta]

Thanks for the reply. Now I can understand the X, it's sounds an interesting gameplay

[amber mango]

now that ive olayed more and know more, i can confidently say that theres no reason for all these bugs, esp the game breaking bugs. theres dev teams that have worked with less. GRIFTERS are people who drag their feet but expect the money anyway.

[tardy zephyr]

Rex elder prime is faster?

Im pretty sure its slower + prime elder Rex can’t even use murder sprint

It’s pretty dumb that he can’t use murder sprint imo, bro can’t hunt nothing at that point

[flint mantle]

why is juvie rex faster than a carno?

[honest helm]

yeah my friends say elder prime is faster than normal rex, also on trotting, didnt try fully yet cause how too haha

[ashen sandal]

how do you become a prime specimen

i have a elder teno but i dont know how to entomb

[wintry cipher]

• you need to "live a good life" such as keeping all 3 nutrients high, travelling around the map to different locations, possibly drinking at different water sources, rolling in mud, eating salt (minerals) and doing things animals do. avoid getting sick, such as tremors, etc, which might hurt your chances of getting prime

• sleep at 100% and open your menu. there will be a big button that says entomb

[stark anvil]

I'm seeing a heck of a lot of flying fish swarms on horde test

Is it so hard to ask for fish to swim in the water?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"instant killing yourself to avoid combat is a real potential"

who cares lol, that's literally giving the hunter free food

saves them the stamina and health of fighting and gives them the food outright

[tardy zephyr]

Well he’s wrong about the speed. Maybe not the trot tho.

[honest helm]

i will check 😄

[pliant elm]

@ember flax I didn't see much of a problem with that, you just need to stop clicking the charge button and press it again after you drift

[ember flax]

You're talking about Ht right

[pliant elm]

yes

ht carno

[ember flax]

I tried doing what i normally do and it's just ahhh

When u are at full momentum you literally can't drift

Unless you slow down

[pliant elm]

Well, it might be strange, it's a mechanical change. It'll take some time to get used to it.

I could be wrong, but I was able to drift normally even at top speed, I just had to stop clicking the rmb

[ember flax]

Even if that's the case it's still just a huge nerf to his overall agility

Just clunkier

Y'know what i mean

[pliant elm]

I didn't think so, even though Carno is my main

I liked the new charge

[ember flax]

Idk i will play around with it tomorrow

The new charge is just bad desgin

[pliant elm]

I thought they would just make the charge manual and only usable when running, that would be a nerf

[ember flax]

They literally did a mini rework technically

He's a better brawler

But i just don't like the way they did it

Carno is still just a charge bot

[pliant elm]

Yes, he's gotten better at it, but he still maintains great agility, just requiring more concentration and precision to use it. Not to mention that he also no longer has auto-hit, so he needed some "buff" in exchange for that.

[tardy zephyr]

@hollow vine do you have a video

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message
@ember chasm this directly counteracts the entire purpose of the elder system

"some of us want to die in a glorious battle" then do that, but dont expect to be rewarded for killing yourself

[ember chasm]

you litterally kill your self for the benefits

[wooden agate]

allowing people to entomb after unnatural death just allows the status quo of the game being a PVP deathmatch to live

[wooden agate]

yes, naturally

[hollow vine]

nah bro cant be bothered to clip everything i fought 3 rexes killed 1 i got insant body and leg fractured then i face a cliff with my ass this rex runs at me head on pins me from my head and im ded xD