general-feedback-discussion

[rugged plaza]

Diddy gets it

[waxen badge]

You don't need a ss

I'm not that crazy about it

[rugged plaza]

Still, I can’t say or my sweet sweet reputation will be gone 🥹

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/virginia-monsters-vs-aliens-bob-shocked-tcm-gif-2117159622262688244

[silk vine]

what a world

[waxen badge]

How would your in-game hours affect your rep?

[rugged plaza]

I’m kidding

[silk vine]

your still such a great person

[waxen badge]

🤣

[rugged plaza]

Like 400

[silk vine]

look at the upsides in life

[rugged plaza]

Idea

[silk vine]

live a meaningful life

[rugged plaza]

Idek *

[lone lily]

bruh you trying to argue with a dude who has 1500 hours?

[waxen badge]

Thats a healthy amount

[rugged plaza]

Actually let me not lie I have 0

🤡

[silk vine]

NICE

[tepid hornet]

1500k hours

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[silk vine]

https://tenor.com/view/attaboy-vincent-anderson-eric-good-job-nice-work-gif-5782867615871072151

[rugged plaza]

Ive watched content of the game ever since it released in 2015 and have never owned a pc In my life

[tepid hornet]

dawg

[silk vine]

NICE

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[silk vine]

COOL man

[lone lily]

that does not make you an expert dude

[tepid hornet]

guys relax eat some grapes

[rugged plaza]

Didn’t say that

[silk vine]

chill baby cake

lets put it to a rest

[rugged plaza]

But would you have guessed I know nothing based on what I’ve said? Don’t hink so

KACHOW

[sudden shell]

hours dont really matter

[rugged plaza]

Right

[silk vine]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-meme-gif-26066047

[waxen badge]

I agree but they do hold some validity when it comes to talking about more specifics

[lone lily]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-gif-2092851540894037985

[rugged plaza]

I may not have played this game but name anyone who has ever posted content of it and I can name them

[silk vine]

Lets put it to bed guys

[tepid hornet]

yeah what diddy said

[waxen badge]

Game experience can go a long way with building your knowledge of the game

Just watching content won't teach you everything

[sudden shell]

to an extent, yeah

[rugged plaza]

Most developers of games don’t even play it. They listen to feedback and decide what should be done based on it, thats where they get the “specifics”

[barren crater]

Tbf 400 hours is more than enough time to know everything. Depending on what you've done with that time

[silk vine]

ladies ladies lets put it to a rest here guys lets all be chill baby cakes

[waxen badge]

True but maiam also stated that they've never played

[barren crater]

LOL

ah in that case nvm

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/zamasu-vegito-vegito-sword-dbz-biased-and-nitpicking-gif-22504476

[rugged plaza]

That’s true and always will be but I’m far from clueless about the game and I think my ideas and opinions hold just as much weight as someone who’s played it for 1500 hrs 🙏

[waxen badge]

I'd love to see a session where a dev plays the game, it would be very insightful to how they think and what expectations they have going into it having known what they've worked on for the game

[rugged plaza]

It would

[waxen badge]

That way they can compare their expectations to the reality they created

[rugged plaza]

At least dondi plays.. ig

[waxen badge]

From the few pieces of footage I've seen he definitely has good game sense within his own game but I haven't seen his take on the PVP aspect of it apart from just avoiding most confrontations. Nothing wrong with it, just my neutral observation.

[rugged plaza]

Yeah

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-omg-gif-15232931434758505236

[rugged plaza]

What emotion is this supposed to evoke within me

😭

[tepid hornet]

10/10 ragebait

almost got me

[rugged plaza]

Not ragebaiting at all! How lucky

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-25909810

[rugged plaza]

Tell me why it’s so wrong of me to think I know a thing or two about something I spend hours of my life daily observing and enjoying since 10 years ago

I’m truly curious

[lone lily]

So, you're saying I could just walk into a Home Depot for the first time and have the exact same experience and knowledge as an employee who's been there for 15+ years?

[tepid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/virginia-monsters-vs-aliens-bob-shocked-tcm-gif-2117159622262688244

[rugged plaza]

Maybe if you watched it and everything inside it get built then yes

[lone lily]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[waxen badge]

OKAYYY on that note, I'll be taking my leave. It was a nice chat and I think there's always much to learn from others and I appreciate your time.

[tepid hornet]

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[rugged plaza]

Cya was fun talking about mutations you have great ideas mate

[wooden agate]

i dont see why its needed to remove the non combat mutations

all they do is allow you to slightly diverge from your niche into more of a sub niche

i.e saltwater mutation, allowing you to become a coastal animal regardless of what you are

[rugged plaza]

I agree

[wooden agate]

i also dont see the point in removing the AI animals lol

"more immersive" cons outweigh the pros imo, plus the AI animals are lore related

not like it matters anyway, we're getting AI dinosaurs unfortunately

[vernal ermine]

the more ai, the less you hunt players

pretty obvious

[wooden agate]

right but what does creating dinosaur AI filled to the brim with all 3 organs do to fix that

[rugged plaza]

I think tiny ai that sustains animals that aren’t designed around consistently hunting players like fish for Austro and Ptera are fine

[wooden agate]

instead of making it 10x worse lol

why would i hunt a player if i can hunt an AI teno and get all my diets there?

[rugged plaza]

Just make tracking and locating other players much more streamlined

[wooden agate]

why would i risk hunting a triceratops as rex if i can just wait for a few diablo AI to spawn

[vernal ermine]

i didn't suggest that

[wooden agate]

its in the suggestion lol

[vernal ermine]

yeah i never supported that part of it

[wooden agate]

lowering AI as a whole, sure

infact id advocate for that (officials have become a bit infested with AI from what ive heard)

[vernal ermine]

the game should work towards not needing ai when players are present

[wooden agate]

well maybe specific AI

i think fish/frogs/crabs should be plentiful for the most part

(not enough to keep that fat 8 ton tub of lard fed however)

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what about it lol? hopefully not the horrible little bird feet

[frank tapir]

@acoustic spruce ptera can do everything in that gif

[limber hull]

god the more i look the worse the feet look eugh

[peak pulsar]

@signal iron why would you want to execute mixpackers

[acoustic spruce]

Prove it. Perch on a tree like that

[frank tapir]

it's pretty easy to do

there's someone resting on a branch

[junior nymph]

@sullen pawn it doesnt need to be sped up it can climb so it already has a way to escape

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i think an animal should somehow react to it getting damaged

[normal shuttle]

herrera is perfectly balanced from start to finish

[woeful latch]

i disagree, it should be faster in its juvie-sub stage and slower in its adult stage, so 45km/h sub 43km/h adult

i dislike how fast herrera is, i think it should be more vulnerable on land, considering it’s untouchable in trees

[lofty shore]

cheesy is always hating ong

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-cat-trip-cat-fall-kitty-gif-14426836968979840999

[shadow remnant]

#general-feedback message yeah it has been like this since getaway came out

[normal shuttle]

I would be fine with it

but tbf herrera is still extremely solid design wise if all you need to tune it is just a slight change to speed

and either way it can grow and survive just fine

[woeful latch]

i agree

[normal shuttle]

herra is just the perfect carnivore so far imo

it's unique, fun, viable, very noob friendly while also having a very high skill cap...

ITS JUST GOOD

kinda like teno

balance wise, teno and herra for me are the best designed playables in the game right now

dibble is pretty solid too

[woeful latch]

hmm i honestly agree with you

[acoustic spruce]

But you see it’s not built in cause it doesn’t perch like a bird

It’s still using its base sit animation

[junior nymph]

@fleet hound wdym?

pings fine for me

apart from HT (which they are fixing)

[limber hull]

its a lil too fast on land imho

[woven bane]

how fast do you think it should be

[limber hull]

maybe closer to pachy speed

[warped remnant]

Je but I think it should be a little faster when it’s small. When you are big you are supposed to stay on trees and use your jump but when you are small the jump is super bad and you also run like 15km/h

45 at fg is super high tho True

[ivory wren]

I like 45 cus it’s fast but still vunrable to your main threat raptors

[warped remnant]

For sure but that’s the challenge gotta always stay close to a tree or cliff

[woven bane]

think it should be a lil slower but not sluggish

[limber hull]

45 just feels way too fast for a primarily arboreal animal imho

it's as fast as pure terrestrials like dryo and troodon

i think around pachy speed would still be decent enough to get from point A to point B while also wanting to actually be near trees

[rugged plaza]

Cera speed or pachy speed is perfectly fine for herra

[woven bane]

cera speed is too slow

[rugged plaza]

Or increase running stamina drain

[woven bane]

dryo technically isn’t

[limber hull]

pachy speed is fine

one of my main things with herrera is it's VERY OBVIOUS they made it overly fast lol

look at its running anim lmao

[rugged plaza]

They aren’t ever far from trees though if you think about it, it only takes them like 3 seconds and their back to being invincible after a pounce. Running at dryo/troodon speed is unnecessary and honestly I think the climbing should be more agile, give it a sideways sprint. Their working on herra rn so who knows

[normal shuttle]

To be fair, if you gutted its land movement then land herrera would be gone

[limber hull]

good? lol

[normal shuttle]

40kph and quieter and maybe we have a deal

[limber hull]

i dont really see the issue

[rugged plaza]

As it should be?

[woven bane]

what would such a slow speed achieve tho

[rugged plaza]

It’s still equally capable of fighting the things it already does on the ground like juvies

[limber hull]

i still think pachy is a nice in between lol

[woven bane]

43kmh would be fair imo

[rugged plaza]

Pachy needs a slight speed buff anyways

To 43

[normal shuttle]

43-44 Pachy is good

[woven bane]

eh, pachy can break bones for a reason

[rugged plaza]

I think 44 is a liiiiiittle too much. Getting up to dryo speed there

I also find it funny how slow beipi is on land, it really doesn’t feel 30km

[normal shuttle]

Eh, it gets killed in one fg Omni pounce

And photo tissue cera runs faster than base pachy

And we know that locking someone into a mutation in order to survive sucks

[rugged plaza]

Yea

[woven bane]

pachy has other issues that needs to be addressed, just not speed

[normal shuttle]

I agree

[frank tapir]

it doesn't need a different on, its legs aren't strong enough to support its body weight and balance on a branch on their own. There's no reason for it to have a different animation

[rugged plaza]

Bipedal Ptera is cursed

[normal shuttle]

@ornate spade it got removed exactly because of that reason, to avoid situations where two people are talking about killing you and all you hear as their same species is f calls and are completely clueless about what’s coming

That’s some dev said years ago, can’t remember who exactly

Nor can I find the message atm

And sure, discord voice chat can bypass that, but at least game chats is something the game can do something about and it probably does help to an extent

[normal shuttle]

It was removed to act as a barrier against organized cannibalism

[barren zephyr]

Sweet jesus christ 😱

Uh… (changing subject) Raptors are bigger than i thought- lmfao

[acoustic spruce]

@rugged plaza that is never gonna get added, if anything it’ll be adjusted later down the line and even so I’m not confident

[normal shuttle]

you mean quetz is never getting added?

oh wait nvm

thought this was balance discussion lmao

@full pewter also we saw elder quetz

it's the one that is painted with dull brown and has red details and a large crest

[full pewter]

Sick, I remember the one in the devblog, couldn’t remember if that was elder or not, don’t think it was specified

[normal shuttle]

Yeah it’s just a thing with Quetz and things that have this marabou feel imo

It feels aged already as an adult so elder is hard to distinguish

[sudden shell]

alright so im just a tad late to this discussion but ive played herrera longer than any sane person should and ive always felt that its running animation looked more like an oversped powerwalk than a sprint

[rugged plaza]

What is

[acoustic spruce]

No this

[normal shuttle]

Yeah I noticed

[upbeat folio]

For all this mega/mix packing. May I suggest a Mutation called: "Outnumbered" -when the ratio reaches 1 to 8 or 2 to 12 etc. of either herbies to carnis or carnis to herbies, you get a monsterous buff. yes to discourage the outrageuos numbers people are forcing. I wouldnt mind the crazy numbers if i get to beat some a$$ before i die.

[rugged plaza]

Why is this, an animation change, of all things out of the realm of possibility..

It’s literally breaking its wrists

And it isn’t hard to fix at all (regarding the amount of steps it’d take)

[ornate spade]

I mean yeah makes sense, but it deters overpacking. So why wouldn’t that be fine regardless?

[stoic stag]

i just started playing again after months and have already run into multiple hackers on evrima i always forget to clip it or use the record feature in game, but its ridiculous. A cera caught up to me after i dumped my stam getting away as a full grown carno took him like 2 minutes

Bro never ran out of stamina he caught up to me then managed to still chase me down for my last 15% of stamina

[urban flax]

That's terrible

[limber hull]

now what if a mixpacker takes that mutation and now because they're "outnumbered" by their friends they're way stronger as a mixpack

you buffed mixpacks lmao

[normal shuttle]

horrible idea

insane collateral damage to other players

[urban flax]

What if a lone rex takes that mutation and runs into a herd of herbis chilling and murders them all with no way for them to fight back because it's outnumbered

[limber hull]

lmao true

[urban flax]

Doesn't even need to be a rex

[normal shuttle]

deino running into the herd of stegos drinking and going berserk 😭

Pale Emperor's favorite mutation

@steel rover so...what about dilo?

[vernal ermine]

@rugged plaza you're practically suggesting rainbow rexes and pink trikes here

would ruin immersion

[limber hull]

thats not at all what they're suggesting, but it's still not good regardless

because it explicitly says "from the dinosaur's pallette" and pink/rainbow wouldn't be on the list

[vernal ermine]

that single aspect of it discredits all of it

[wooden agate]

i dont mind the idea of unlockable colors/patterns' its basically already hard confirmed anyway

but that just sounds overtly convoluted for the sake of it

[limber hull]

ya

my issue is the "know what colour = what mutation and how that impacts the matchup" rather than "nerf combat muts lol"

[wooden agate]

just tie some colors/patterns to certain achievements

"visit x human base as x animal" = unlock x/y/z for a/b/c

[limber hull]

also your preferred skins being ruined by your preferred mutations having the wrong colours would be bleh

[wooden agate]

it still offers the 'this person has experience in the game' feeling, but still only connects it to exploration of the island

granted achievements could be a number of things

"reach 100% as Allosaurus!" to unlock its pattern b,

"reach prime elder on Allosaurus" to unlock its pattern C, etc

[limber hull]

i'd love stuff like you getting a "strain reference" option for growing a dino to full and becoming that strain

i think an elder lifecycle, or repeated elder lifecycles, should be rewarded

like rex gets some funky-ass tusks from a full hyperendocrine life cycle

changes nothing about the rex statistically but looks cool

[wooden agate]

saber tooth rex

[normal shuttle]

BUBULBLU POSTING

[urban flax]

I need ideas for diseases

I already have rabies
-Increase biteforce, but decrease every other attack's damage depending on severity. When severity is above a certain threshold, the infected dino cannot drink anymore, and will 4-call and temporarily run away whenever touching water. Also increase damage taken and slightly decrease speed.

Rabies don't cure themselves with time, but increase in severity instead. The only way to cure rabies is by biting other dinos. Every bite slightly reduces the disease's severity as it is transmitted to the target. (Not realistic but just for gameplay)

[normal shuttle]

hot potato disease, I approve

I might think of something

but now I felt like getting downvoted into oblivion for talking facts about quetz

quetz weight to be more precise

I am an adamant 250-300kg defender

[limber hull]

barion will talk to you, be warned

[urban flax]

I think I just don't like quetz picking things up

Carrying things into the sky and dropping them to their death is such a terrible hunting strategy

[woven bane]

sky deino

[normal shuttle]

I just think the solution would be so easy and I will expose it just so it doesn’t get instantly rolled by Omnis

And that Quetz, when it already has unparalleled movement and very high damage, does NOT need to be tanky

The SACRED TRIANGLE OF BALANCE

[junior nymph]

@daring sand Heres the thing. The devs cant do that 💀 the servers would die

[normal shuttle]

I am ready to be hated

@vernal ermine #general-feedback message

[vernal ermine]

How old are you?

[normal shuttle]

20, why?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"pachy trying to take on a raptor."

explain to me what's wrong with that lol. What else can it do?

[wooden agate]

run away from the faster, more agile animal

you have SHORT LITTLE LEGS! USE THEM!

[normal shuttle]

actually that's not what Pale would say

he said something similar to "stego should hide from rex and if it gets walked down and dies is the steg's fault"

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

ig the same logic would apply to pachy dying to a single omni

[normal shuttle]

also kentro vs cera lmao

lemme find it

Being the final boss of eat grass and die

in fact I genuinely do not think that even allos and such should have it that easy vs kentro if it really becomes almost a porcupine equivalent

at least relative to like a carno or teno

since teno factually has more escape options

[junior nymph]

the lion vs the porcupine

the lion does not have a fun time.

[normal shuttle]

very much

except that relative to their apparent in game size, it's like the porcupine is the size of a hyena if not larger

since something something 2.4t allo files

and dunno if kentro is gonna be around 1 ton or so

[junior nymph]

I hope its 950 at adult adn 1.15 at elder I dunno why

[normal shuttle]

funnily enough, I am gonna say already that deino and maybe some spinosaurid are gonna be kentro's bane

and maybe stuff like alberto on an unaware kentro

[normal shuttle]

seems acceptable

[normal shuttle]

since head near the water

[compact sequoia]

allo ? vs kentro u are a herbi zealot wow

[normal shuttle]

HERBI ZEALOT OMG WHY DONT THE CARNIS JUST OBLITERATE THE GRASS EATING THING IN AN INSTANT??!?

(A porcupine is like a tenth of a lioness' size; a kentro is like half of our allo if not a smidge less)

I didn't even say clearly win

I said allo not having it as easy as just running up to it and pinning it on any spot

[untold geyser]

herbi bias
bingo

[normal shuttle]

maybe allo could pin it frontally or bleed it out, but certainly NOT pinning it from behind

that would be so dumb

[compact sequoia]

this is very far from porcupine

[normal shuttle]

it is meant to have very much the same role

[compact sequoia]

i really doubt it

[normal shuttle]

also ^

ofc allo should have an advantage and destroy a kentro with one good ambush

it protect

[compact sequoia]

i think allo can pin it from 3 sides

except the tail

[normal shuttle]

maybe if we ignore the side spikes too

but yeah, as I said, not that easy

significantly harder than pinning something like a carno or cera

[compact sequoia]

thats easy as a cake considering kentro is not a carno

[normal shuttle]

(which btw have actual escape options, kentro as far as we know is gonna be slower than cera and not an excellent swimmer)

[normal shuttle]

and carno is way less defensively geared

doesn't need to be defensive, it can just run from things like allos

kentro however is either narrowly escaping or standing a chance against a predator twice its size

[compact sequoia]

u forgot allo will deal good bleed

[normal shuttle]

I know, why does that matter?

[compact sequoia]

kentro weight?

[normal shuttle]

we dont know exactly, but prolly around a ton if not a little more

[compact sequoia]

exactly why solo pachy should not take on a raptor without a perfect ambush

[normal shuttle]

[compact sequoia]

kentro faster than allo ?

[normal shuttle]

why not?

It's either being slightly faster or standing a chance in a fight

can't be both, can't be none

[untold geyser]

krita's text function sucks

[compact sequoia]

3 sides

[normal shuttle]

herrera's bane

[compact sequoia]

i wonder how they save it from raptor forget allo

[urban flax]

Pale Emperor : Weight is the only thing that matters in a match-up
Also Pale Emperor : Pachy shouldn't take on a single raptor

[normal shuttle]

what??

[compact sequoia]

i never said weight only matters....but weight comes into play.....fg raptor cam bleeds out anything well below a ton by a single pounce

[urban flax]

Which is a big issue

[compact sequoia]

considering pachy ram is not that agile plus has a good time gap.... raptor always has a good upper hand against a solo pachy....unless pachy ambushes it a fracture

[urban flax]

Which is an even bigger issue

Pachy needing to ambush a raptor to survive
How can you not see what's wrong with that ?

[normal shuttle]

and that should not happen

pachy should have the upper hand no matter what

because it does not have the luxury of disengaging

[compact sequoia]

@limber hull

exactly

[unreal horizon]

Mate this game isnt that realistic. Nobody wants to play 250kg quetzal minimum 500kg no less

[untold geyser]

hello???

kentrocoatlus

[normal shuttle]

I wasn't talking about that rn, but sure!

Feel free to argue why I'm wrong when saying quetz shouldn't be good at literally everything

[unreal horizon]

Quetzal is a land hunter. You cant balance it if its weight 250 kg

[unreal horizon]

What is that mean

[limber hull]

What?

[normal shuttle]

I want it to be mainly a land hunter, and you can absolutely balance it out with 250-300kg when:

1. It can fly to simply disengage from anything
2. It can ambush things from the sky
3. It can be very fast in land without any issue, especially at that size
4. It can see everything in the plains because it is just so tall, no one can hide in the grass

Troodon exists and it has no issue surviving as a 60kg hunter, same as a 175kg herrera or 45kg ptera

If you give it health, then you gotta take something else away, what would it be?

[unreal horizon]

Quetzal cant run at land

[barren crater]

We have no clue about that but I still think 250kg is too small

[limber hull]

Why not?

[untold geyser]

The author demonstrates confusion about how LePs pulled quetzalcoatlus from a kentrosaurus discussion.

[normal shuttle]

why not?? It's an AZDAHARCHID, that's the whole point of the thing

Also, you want it to be a land hunter but can't run on land? What?

[unreal horizon]

What why? Same as why humans cant run at 60km/h

Biology

[limber hull]

Quetz was actually believed to be extremely fast on land lol

[normal shuttle]

you can make a quetz run at like 40kph very easily animation wise without making it look dumb

[barren crater]

It's a game. It will run on land like ptera can

[junior nymph]

lmao

[barren crater]

I don't even really know irl pterosaurs like that but it doesn't matter lol

28km/h ptera exists

[untold geyser]

im a pterosaur

[unreal horizon]

I am trying to say that

[junior nymph]

azhdarchids moment

[unreal horizon]

250 is too smol

[barren crater]

It is imo.

[unreal horizon]

500 bare minimum

[normal shuttle]

with its build and also light weight, this thing running like a teno would be perfectly fine

[unreal horizon]

Lower than that is just nope

[normal shuttle]

you keep failing to explain why

[junior nymph]

guys 450 kg quetz- 600-650 elder

or u know just nerf raptor pounce

[unreal horizon]

This is false if you want to hear

[junior nymph]

like weight thingy

[normal shuttle]

address any of the points I made rather than just saying I'm wrong, please

for the sake of a stimulating, thoughtful discussion

[unreal horizon]

İt would be too weak

Or NERF pin

[junior nymph]

[unreal horizon]

Quetzal wasnt a fish eater

[junior nymph]

quetz should be a glass cannon

[junior nymph]

who said it was 💀

[untold geyser]

flying stegosaurus

[unreal horizon]

They were hunting juvis and raptors

250kg is too weak no other reasons

You cant do that

[normal shuttle]

weak in what regard? It would be a glass cannon, with the ability to ignore everyone by just taking off, who is also immune to ambushes in the open, and it also has great damage

The best way to balance out a giant flying carnivore who is obviously very fast both in land and air, while also being able to snatch rather large dinosaurs is by taking away health

[unreal horizon]

1 shot from cera is funny you thing?

[junior nymph]

weight doesnt mean weak, it could hit like a truck but if it doesnt play well it will die

[unreal horizon]

1 shot from carno right click?

[normal shuttle]

why would it be fighting a cera in land bruh

[unreal horizon]

Sneaky cera

[normal shuttle]

gargantuan skill issue

[unreal horizon]

Xd

[junior nymph]

100%

[unreal horizon]

1 mistake would kill your quetzal

[compact sequoia]

It's not agile and it will take time to fly

[unreal horizon]

And this is not funny at all

[junior nymph]

who said it wasnt agile?

[untold geyser]

wait till you find out how galli works

[junior nymph]

isnt quetz you know not in game yet

[unreal horizon]

Nobody says galli is strong

[normal shuttle]

if you get ambushed as a quetz it would be exclusively YOUR fault

You literally are taller than several types of trees and all grass types and HT bushes are shorter than you. Your camera would be SO HIGH that no one can simply ambush you in the open if you look around

[unreal horizon]

Gargantuan skill issue

[junior nymph]

people do say

[untold geyser]

[unreal horizon]

I am not people

[junior nymph]

since it can take most of the roster IF it plays well

[compact sequoia]

ptera takes time to fly....do you expect quetz to be starscream

[untold geyser]

that's.. the point

[junior nymph]

im guessing bad fly turning good land turn

[unreal horizon]

You right

[normal shuttle]

one mistake is all it takes for things like beipi, herrera, omni, cera (vs stuff like dibble and stego), troodon, hypsi, dryo and galli to die normally. Nothing new

[unreal horizon]

But 1 mistake cause everything

[desert arch]

Ptera can take off instantly with its new takeoff

[untold geyser]

if you get caught and die as galli, you deserve it
why should quetz be afforded the luxury that galli doesn't have

[desert arch]

In like half a second

[compact sequoia]

considering stam for big creatures is worse than small ones

[junior nymph]

it can now pretty much

[unreal horizon]

No it doesnt 😭😭😭🥀

[desert arch]

Wouldnt be far fetched to assume quetz wont take 5 seconds to do the same

[normal shuttle]

so I quote myself

making in a way that it can get pinned from behind, meaning raptors outmaneuvering the bird on the ground or ambushing it means a warranted kill.

both are a quetz skill issue

[compact sequoia]

cera can tank dibble hita

[unreal horizon]

Where are you from

Just asking

[normal shuttle]

one dibble combo can leave you with 100-200 health remaining

[untold geyser]

woag
look
it's my point

[normal shuttle]

why does that matter in the discussion

[unreal horizon]

You use ç

[normal shuttle]

Also Portugal

[unreal horizon]

Ok cool

[normal shuttle]

Put it by accident

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-gif-8185197727299684078

[limber hull]

He said it

[normal shuttle]

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/starscream-jet-transformers-flying-gif-16433946

[unreal horizon]

Yes again you are right

But with just 1 skill issue

[junior nymph]

Hey legacy quetz

[unreal horizon]

Cause everything

[limber hull]

Difference between quetz and starscream is starscream isn’t 250kg

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformers-prime-starscream-transformers-starscream-gif-13636594575230156534

[unreal horizon]

This isnt a game have to be

[junior nymph]

[normal shuttle]

I don't think I can explain it any clearer than the feedback I posted

Quetz is an azdaharchid, those were good hunting in land and being terrestrial benefits the game roster. Therefore it must be good in land and also obviously air since it's a pterosaur. Devs want to turn it into almost a sky deino which implies significant lethality. Therefore the only thing left is health which should be the most neglected to justify everyone else

And I already argued how you could make quetz pin resistant or capable of grabbing heavier stuff

it really isn't that hard to balance quetz

there's other playables that are much harder

Like anky or cama

[compact sequoia]

sky deino nice

but deino irl or game deino ?

[unreal horizon]

Say 455 and we deal

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/parasaur-giant-crocodile-bite-gif-17282321

[normal shuttle]

nah

300 works

[unreal horizon]

Ok you tough guy

[normal shuttle]

game deino

[unreal horizon]

425

[untold geyser]

deino irl is dead i fear

[normal shuttle]

I just dont think it should be close to something like an omni who doesn't the luxury of holding the spacebar to ignore literally everything else in the game other than cannis and potential airborne strains

[compact sequoia]

but can be brought back maybe a century later

[normal shuttle]

omni is forced into putting up with the vast majority of swift perils on the ground, strains included. Meanwhile quetz just flies and everything becomes a non issue

quetz gets ambushes by omni, it dies
onni gets ambushed by quetz, it dies

[frank tapir]

I don't see much point in arguing about this, the devs will do what they think will work

[normal shuttle]

true

and tbh I think they will do exactly what I'm saying

[compact sequoia]

will it mean quetz cannibal?

[normal shuttle]

or make quetz very bad in land or stamina wise (terrible decision)

[frank tapir]

I hope not

[normal shuttle]

no, it means that someone can kill you if they feel like it

or cannibal mutation

@stuck heath way to kill all servers

unironically survivorship bias

"Anticheat does nothing, in most servers I sometimes come across a hacker!"

Think of how many were stopped by that but you don't directly see them

[sudden shell]

EAC, as bad as it may be, is still leagues better than literally nothing

[normal shuttle]

absolutely

that's my point. Way better than nothing

[sudden shell]

i know i was just making it easier to understand

[normal shuttle]

hacker problem would be way worse if the game was totally unprotected. But people follow the line of thought of: I got killed by a hacker once or I've come across a few = anticheat isn't perfect = anticheat does nothing and should be removed

[stuck heath]

I'm not saying don't have an anticheat..I'm saying that EAC is the worst out of all of them..it might stop/detect hackers but the problems that it causes is not worth it..use or make another one

[normal shuttle]

you only suggested getting rid of it

[heady geode]

Oh I know the answer to this! put more admins around the entire aircraft, anticheat works, fine, but the ones who get by get by for a verrrry long time, Crocnado event

[junior nymph]

kru.... I mean crocnado

the guy pays $60 a month for it 💀

[heady geode]

Get some unofficial server levels of admin, sure, they are One or two servers compared to the many officials, but there are less official admins (not counting the lore admins) than one typical unofficial

[heady geode]

[junior nymph]

i will use this too much since I aint paying $12 for nitro

[vernal jacinth]

@signal iron you can see hours played on steam though

[untold geyser]

NO NO NOONO

[signal iron]

not on each dino

[vernal jacinth]

Ahhh would be nice if that was like on your death screen for the Dino

[junior nymph]

I would say his name but the admins would be like ban onto you frolo for saying a known hackers name

[unreal horizon]

Btw i have to say again i dont want to see an army blasting me with a machine gun while i trying to find food with pachy. I love The isle i love The survival dino game pls dont demolish that. Just had to say it .

[normal shuttle]

Humans will be lucky if they find pistol with any bullets

let alone stronger guns

[unreal horizon]

Is it going to battleground like game or primal carnage?

I cant imagen a primal carnage style game tho

[limber hull]

Neither

It'll be a survival like game

[unreal horizon]

Ark

[normal shuttle]

nope

If anything it's gonna be more like RE early game, if we want to adhere to some popular comparison

or like most survival horror games with guns and the like in terms of resource amount

Alien Isolation comes to mind as well

in short, they won't be freely gunning down every dinosaur player around

[unreal horizon]

I mean it have to be something like hard to play for human i dont care much

[unreal horizon]

As i said

[icy lion]

@willow storm The feedback channels are also suggestion channels

Though I agree it gets pretty silly sometimes lol

[willow storm]

I stand corrected then. Thanks for letting me know

I'll leave the feedback up though, i'm more curious to see what the ratio of upvotes to downvotes is

[cobalt kiln]

anybody else have an issue where you get swallowed by an elite fish and just get stuck there with ur creature vanishing?

[formal kayak]

Yeah it’s been a bug that doesn’t like disappearing, report it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[gritty heart]

Yeah. Server reset should fix it

[vernal ermine]

Simply no.

Highly abusable, bad attempt at balancing off hotspots and mixpacking

[urban flax]

It has absolutely nothing to do with hotspots and mixpacking

[vernal ermine]

That's what it's for, and it's abusable. So it should not be considered

[urban flax]

that's not what's it for, had you read the other part of the suggestion you'd know it

[vernal ermine]

Your disease system is just a fancy disguise for a comfort system, which has an intention of discouraging mixpacking & hotspots

Abusable

[urban flax]

That is not the intention

[vernal ermine]

It is, and it's abusable

[urban flax]

What does drinking bad water or getting bitten by a rabid animal has to do with hotspots and mixpacking then ?

It's just an extra survival PvE element for added immersion and challenge

Also please tell me how it is abusable

[cyan flame]

Where's the other part?

[urban flax]

It's the feedback I'm answering to in the disease list

[normal shuttle]

@vernal ermine what 😭

what controversy is there on animals of opposite sexes mating bruh

[vernal ermine]

gender is a spectrum

[urban flax]

You're confusing gender and sex

[indigo gulch]

^

[wooden agate]

gender is a spectrum

these dinosaurs are not however

[hushed plaza]

Rage bait 🥱

[indigo gulch]

indeed x)

[wooden agate]

also this is going to attract some very unwanted conversation in the long run so i'll just leave this here

as a trans person, we really don't care lol. dinosaur bang, dinosaur poop out egg, and that's fine. it atleast makes it so there's some incentive to choose female over male. there's no need to mess with anything near that lol

[vernal ermine]

i'm actually not surprised

[wooden agate]

considering people will dm you transphobic slurs if you argue with them in here sometimes, i just try to avoid bringing up the topic as a whole lol

[vernal ermine]

shouldn'y happen, it's against the rules
anyhow, you shouldn't blatantly claim that you represent the group. What you feel about it, as in not caring, does not apply to the other ones

[wooden agate]

well a) its obviously a ragebait suggestion and b) if people out here, trans or not, are caring about dinosaur sexes in a game where it barely matters to begin with, i think they need to get some priorities in check

[normal shuttle]

idc, that has nothing to do with the biological sex of an animal

wish the ragebait nowadays was actually funny

[vernal ermine]

You're all just getting political and swaying away from the point

[normal shuttle]

like mine, but I'm not willing to troll in feedback

[wooden agate]

like whats the point in even having an option to choose at that point lol, just remove both options entirely and just spawn as a dinosaur thats neither male or female lol

[vernal ermine]

Politics are not allowed here

[wooden agate]

you quite literally make it political by using the 'avoiding controversy' excuse

[normal shuttle]

nothing to do with politics, we are just discussing your feedback about altering the nesting mechanic

[vernal ermine]

It's not altering anything

[wooden agate]

theres a word im looking for and i cant find it

nullify

[normal shuttle]

NOW THIS IS GOOD RAGEBAIT #general-feedback message

500N cc carno charge with x3 stamina drain and 10 seconds charging

More messed up than the biology of a horse

[wooden agate]

everything else aside, this would just nullify the idea of choosing a sex in game at all to begin with. as i said before, might as well just remove the option to choose at the beginning of the game

[vernal ermine]

Stop bringing politics into this

[wooden agate]

i actually quite enjoy wandering the map trying to find a female as well when i wanna nest

it can lead to some cool interactions

[icy lion]

I think it'd be fun to be able to court and build nests (without the eggs) regardless of sex but the phrasing of the suggestion sounds way more like ragebait

And the insistence that this discussion is somehow political definitely isn't helping

[normal shuttle]

what about just courting with the same sex and being able to grab eggs or have someone else in your group who is female laying them in your nest similar to swans?

[vernal ermine]

That's pretty unprofessional coming from staff, I'm aware that my own suggestion wasn't intentionally trying to upset anyone

[normal shuttle]

[vernal ermine]

So you can quit accusing me of purposely doing that

[icy lion]

Yea that's the kinda thing I mean

It'd be fun

[normal shuttle]

accusation sounds a little harsh

[normal shuttle]

yeah, wouldn't mind that. Kinda pointless mechanically but also cheap to make and why not

[wooden agate]

man i still want communal nesting but it sounds like a logistical nightmare

[icy lion]

Depending on how parents are tracked wrt mutations and skins it might get weird

[wooden agate]

like say a male is nesting with 3 females

a) how does the male access each nest in its UI, b) how does the game dictate what nest a player request is sent to, c) how does the game deal with you being 'paired' to multiple people

[normal shuttle]

hypsi communal nesting

in a nutshell

[wooden agate]

actually now i.... im kind of thinking of a retention mutation

[normal shuttle]

hermaphrodite mutation

[wooden agate]

basically reptiles can (and im avoiding detail for obvious reasons) retain genetic material from their mates and create clutches/broods from them years down the road

[normal shuttle]

oh yeah even some mammals and I think invertebrates can do the same. Would be cool in case your mate logs out or gets massacred by ceras

[wooden agate]

im wondering if that could somehow be put into a mutation?

nest with one guy, he dies, pair with another, you're able to nest in 2 animals that are genetically from you and the OG pairing

or in that case, yah

idk man we need more unique mutations that arent just damage/speed buffs

[icy lion]

@sharp sentinel They already plan to

[sharp sentinel]

thank god

i heard smth abt them not and i was abt to tweak

[vernal ermine]

do you not play community?

[sharp sentinel]

no i do sometimes

i actually like officials thouhg

[vernal ermine]

Why?

[sharp sentinel]

because there decent

except for all the hacking

@vernal ermine

[vernal ermine]

i don't get what you mean by decent though. They're just normal servers but with low pop

[sharp sentinel]

also, ik im bouta gett hella cooked, but is it just me or does megalania not seem to fit in the roster? idk but that is just my thouhgs

[sharp sentinel]

yeah

i suppose

[vernal ermine]

fits in more than hypsi

[vernal ermine]

play petits

[sharp sentinel]

nahhh, theres limited herbis on that server

[sharp sentinel]

hypsi is just a cute lil' guy

[normal shuttle]

they are obviously gonna release them

just give them time to properly test and polish

[vernal ermine]

they did mention they might not release to officials right away, that's why they asked

[sharp sentinel]

yeah, im really excited for rex, espiecially the trike - rex sparring

[vernal ermine]

there are more herbies in petits than there are in officials bruh, you see them more often

[normal shuttle]

they will

[sharp sentinel]

dont they have a limited roster though, like no mai and stuff?

[vernal ermine]

does not change what they previously said, hence his confusion

[vernal ermine]

The lack of AI in petits is only when playercap is around 300

At that point, you don't need AI. You will see players willing in the gap, so you hunt players instead of AI

[normal shuttle]

tru

[vernal ermine]

You should be happier hunting players than hunting ai, it's a good thing

[sharp sentinel]

I meant Maisuara

[vernal ermine]

oh what

[sharp sentinel]

i dont think they have maisaura as a playable on petits

[vernal ermine]

Yeah they do have limits on how many people can play one playable at a time, for the sake of a varied roster

[vernal ermine]

they do

[sharp sentinel]

oh, last time I played they had like, three herbivores on there roster, ill just have to check later then

thanks for telling me btw, ill prolly play the server a lot more now

[vernal ermine]

yeah it's better than officials by far

[normal shuttle]

because they regulate the spawns in petite

cringe as hell but at least it isn't cera everywhere

[vernal ermine]

not cringe, it helps keep the environment healthy

[normal shuttle]

it's cringe because what if I want to play something that is locked

although game could be better balanced to not make this a necessity

[vernal ermine]

then too bad, there's a reason why it is. The server's satisfaction as a whole is more important than your singular satisfaction

In officials you will see 30 growing rexes on average for a good couple of months before it tones down to maybe round' 15

[normal shuttle]

unless rex is hard (it will be)

then people will give up

[vernal ermine]

Homie it's rex. Your assumption is baseless

[normal shuttle]

people will cry and rage

[vernal ermine]

Majority of the reason why many play stego & deino is due to their power/size

Many of those will migrate to rex instantly, some to trike

Rex will overpopulate for a w h i l e before it tones down

[normal shuttle]

nah

there will be tears of frustration and rage

[vernal ermine]

why's that?

[normal shuttle]

look at trike

16 hours on 100% diet, 8 on 300%

rex is cooked if it has the same growth time (why wouldn't it)

[vernal ermine]

Homie are you baiting?

People will be more likely to go through that with rex than with trike

Rex's population will likely be larger than current deino's

Just because it's evrima

[normal shuttle]

please, read between lines

Rex is a carnivore, it will have like 150% diet at best all the time

and then you can make it not a cannibal and congrats, you axed the whole population

[vernal ermine]

I don't think you know the community

[normal shuttle]

I don't know everyone, but I know that a base 32h growth giant carnivore with a brutal enough growth curve and without cannibalism will deter a lot of people

[vernal ermine]

It's rex. Rex is rex

Having more than 150 is not hard as carnivore, no

So long as you are constantly on the hunt, but smart about it

[normal shuttle]

[vernal ermine]

I consistently have more than 150 on cera, omni, troo, you name it

You're not used to that, perhaps because you're just worse of a player. Don't attribute that to the rest of the community

[normal shuttle]

insane conjecture

we will wait and see how rex performs

since it is nothing like omni or cera

[vernal ermine]

it will have a slower nutrition decay rate, likely
couple that with the fact that it has to eat alot. more room to fill with nutrients

[normal shuttle]

we will see

but no need to get upset, bro

[vernal ermine]

you ok

[icy lion]

@tiny vapor They plan on remaking the damage screens

[tiny vapor]

i hope theyll look good and accurate ;-; thats all i want

[heady geode]

You can be the judge for yourself… https://youtu.be/XVz6urwie7M?si=DKEK40ey-fPs8YoV

I don’t think there’s any accurate damage screen when you’re a third person view, it definitely implies we’re a bleeding meat drone following the dinosaurs, AE technology is beautiful

[obtuse copper]

Late addition, but that isn't hard right now; deinos have a lot of things going against them atm. Nightvision underwater sucks in general, vision underwater in swamps in particular is outright broken, fish no longer scales with size so the bigger deinos will starve if they're not getting enough elite fish and/or there are players nearby foolish enough to drink in unsafe places, etc. There has never been more unfun nonesense making players stay away from playing deino than right now.

[bronze niche]

@river idol as annoying as its forced gameplay style is, carno is actually in a pretty balanced place right now

[junior nymph]

as far as I know we are getting a reworked carno with a new model

so carno changes dont really matter anymore

[bronze niche]

really, did they show us the model or did they just say were getting a new one

[junior nymph]

model but we know its swallow carno

[bronze niche]

wdym swallow carno

[junior nymph]

it will be able to swallow things

[bronze niche]

like alive things or it can swallow things bigger than what cera can

[junior nymph]

the guy who made it (since it was a QA suggestion) is its aiming to swallow\ a omni

[bronze niche]

LOL

thats a crazy big neck

discord mod jawline

[junior nymph]

💀

I mean it doesnt have a overbite

[bronze niche]

like a fg omni or a 30% one

[junior nymph]

what do you think

if I state it as a omni

[bronze niche]

a 30% one?? i dont see how he could swallow a fg omni

honestly if they do this swallowing carno thing while also keeping all the buffs its been added to of recent, carno will be an absolute beast when it comes to fighting its size and smaller

[limber hull]

Look at his neck lol, if anyone could, it’s him

Let him unhinge his jaw too

[bronze niche]

damn thats crazy being able to swallow a fg omni, if thats the case i wonder if itll give like 50% food

[junior nymph]

believe it or not that is what its meant to do

[bronze niche]

and its confirmed or fan made

[junior nymph]

like swallow carno?

[bronze niche]

yep

[junior nymph]

pretty much confirmed I heard

[bronze niche]

oh damn, cant wait to get it when gta 7 trailer comes out

[limber hull]

It is fan made and confirmed

[junior nymph]

ye

[limber hull]

At the same time

[bronze niche]

thats actually kinda cool ngl

[limber hull]

It is a suggestion from the community that the devs liked enough to go forward with

[bronze niche]

thats rare

[junior nymph]

not really

they just dont openly say it

[barren zephyr]

Thats the one reason why i like this Taro lol however i wish the arms wouldnt be in perminate naruto running stance

[junior nymph]

a lot of the things they change are community driven

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kookie-naruto-run-gif-7251770

[limber hull]

Not particularly

[bleak stone]

That’s just the position Abelisaurid arms rest in

[limber hull]

The cera changes were inspired by community feedback

[barren zephyr]

Such a odd position id figure gravity would be like “nope” lol

[junior nymph]

same with carno rework

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Redwoods are planned for Gateway

[barren zephyr]

Yush! :D i love redwoods lol the t rex needs them xD i hope a river goes through it :)

[unreal horizon]

@vernal ermine What is this idea bro no way xd

[limber hull]

It’s ragebait lol

[unreal horizon]

I hope so

[junior nymph]

nahhh wdym

it might be like the guy who said we should get more genders into the game

[unreal horizon]

There is only 2 genders what do you mean. I don't want to be chased by a futa carno

[junior nymph]

lmao

[unreal horizon]

I dont think this is funny.

[limber hull]

damn he got you

i cant believe you fell for the bait after being told it was bait, and that hard too

[junior nymph]

[unreal horizon]

I am joking too 😭 You realy think i mean this seriusly

[bronze niche]

valid, i dont really care about what other people do and what they think but pushing that onto dinosaurs is just weird lmao

[junior nymph]

its not close to ready

its not even meant to be in thats why it does that

you will only start to see elder morph once you over 100% grown

@glacial lily

[glacial lily]

cool beans, just telling what i've noticed in feedback. it is hordetest after all

[compact sequoia]

we got gender neutral dino suggestion 🤣

[untold geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[normal shuttle]

[vernal ermine]

You can point this out as much as you'd like

But you underrestimate the determination of these apex players to play apexes no matter how uncomfortable it is

deino population is still unnaturally large, as it always was

[vernal ermine]

wtf that's offensive

[vernal ermine]

Funny you say that every time you're at a loss for words

[limber hull]

Double or nothing

[urban flax]

Funny how he's right everytime

[vernal ermine]

With this logic, your whole suggestion is ragebait and you posted it twice regardless

Abusable disease mechanic for mixpacking

The idea of such a mechanic is already debunked 10x on this very channel

[limber hull]

It isn't for mixpacking

You keep saying it is and IDK why

You apply your own motive to the suggestion then question the motive

Literally debating with yourself

[urban flax]

You didn't even tell me how it's abusable when I asked you

[vernal ermine]

That's like asking me "how is watching gore bad" despite it being an often discussed subject where the answer is thrown into your face if you just care to use your head

[urban flax]

Just tell me how
You probably know I have a list lying around for why mixpacking debuffs are bad
You're free to use it if you think it applies to this

[limber hull]

^

Literally the most outspoken anti-mixpack mechanic advocate I know

His suggestion is a new mechanic, not an attempt to "solve" any problem

Because he and I could both tell you flat out that it would never solve mixpacking

Because that's not the intention

[vernal ermine]

yeah it would to a certain degree

just because it isn't the intention, doesn't mean it won't have effects out of its intention

[limber hull]

Sure, but it wasn't the goal, and you're treating it as it was

You're assessing it as something it isn't

[urban flax]

I made extra care to design it in a way that wouldn't serve as a tool for mixpackers
Then I don't care if it solves anything or not, it's just a mechanic for extra difficulty

btw this made me think I should change it so rabies increasing over time is a symptom, and not just a special effect of the disease
This way as long as your disease resistance is high enough you're not at risk
In other words if you're a stego and there's a baby omni getting rabid on purpose to bite you and infect you with 1% rabies, you'll be fine and won't become rabid after 1 hour of the sickness incubating

[vernal ermine]

Extra difficulty for what purpose?

[urban flax]

For the purpose of adding extra difficulty to survival

Making the game outside of fighting other players more interesting

[vernal ermine]

Yeah sure add sleep to the game to so you have to spend 2h sleeping while logged in at least once every in-game day

Or no how about you make your teeth get cavities so that adds a little layer of difficulty into the game

[urban flax]

Sleeping is not interactive

[vernal ermine]

Of course it is. In your logic

[urban flax]

no

[vernal ermine]

Your mechanic just adds more to do.

Having to do more, is not always good. Unless it contributes to fun

[urban flax]

It does in this case

Also it's not exactly "more to do"

It's rather "think better about what you do"

[wooden agate]

having more to do when theres nothing to do in game is fine lol

and diseases are a pretty normal part of survival games as a whole

[vernal ermine]

do you see a big demand in rabies in this game?

[wooden agate]

why does there have to be a big demand?

i didnt realize the devs add things based off demand, wow!

[vernal ermine]

How often do you see someone ask for a disease in evrima

[wooden agate]

oh wait

they dont

[normal shuttle]

Didn’t know that adding mechanics to make the gameplay loop mor engaging is not a good addition

[wooden agate]

weekly at this point lol

[normal shuttle]

Very often actually, and they use it as an excuse to get rid of mixpacking which is very sad

[wooden agate]

6 people already suggested it in the month of may

so more than weekly, my bad

[vernal ermine]

Disease mechanic is an abusable unnecessary addition sir. I suggested gender neutrality but it doesn't mean it should be in the game homie

[wooden agate]

so why suggest it in the first place if you know it has no place in game

anyway you literally asked, i provided an answer

sorry the answer wasnt good enough and you had to move the goalpost

[vernal ermine]

I never said it doesn't have a place in the game

Making an example is moving the goalpost? Haha

[wooden agate]

"do you see a big demand for rabis in game? how often do people ask?"

"uhhh weekly at this point"

"it doesnt matter ANYWAY because x/y/z"

why even ask at that point

[vernal ermine]

You're taking it out of context

[wooden agate]

.

brother the context is the 5 messages we just exchanged

i cant take it out of context when this convo literally is the context

[normal shuttle]

Can we actually read and analyze good suggestions?

[vernal ermine]

You clearly don't

Comrade

[normal shuttle]

I’m gonna drop a hot take

I cooked

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

i like the idea but the way it seems to be excecuted bothers me

specifically the dive

i think something more akin to just generally sticking his head underwater while swimming to catch elites/schooling fish would be better

i do like the charge bite in water idea though

[normal shuttle]

Why not? It would just sink and keep swimming

And charged bite under water so it can fight bary

Also it should dive to catch elites in places like water access

Or highlands lake

Cera must be good in land and water, only surpassed in the water by deino and the apexes in land

[wooden agate]

i dont think cerato should be anywhere near baryonyx or suchomimus in terms of semi aquaticness lol

[normal shuttle]

We have no other good scavenger

Cera should take care of all carcasses and bullying carnivores off their corpses both in and out in the water

Maybe bary could be a better fisher

But not much better as a swimmer

Let alone runner

[normal shuttle]

Bruh 😭 the downvotes

[urban flax]

yeah no

Cera has no business being more capable in water than it already is

[barren zephyr]

Its not really an aquatic dinosaur…

[wooden agate]

you MUST block them all to make it look like theres no downvotes

[wooden agate]

its half way there

it already has one of the best swim speeds in game, an in water alt bite (only other semi aquatics have this), alongside having deino on his diet

i dont think it needs more but cerato is very water-adjacent already

id say its about as aquatic as herrera is right now

[barren zephyr]

Would be cool to see a sucho-Cera mix breed

[normal shuttle]

It literally has deino in its diet

And beipi

[wooden agate]

...dinosaur survival game.... that has species that are plausibly realistic hybrids of dinosaurs.... hmm

[normal shuttle]

Also it used to be an avid semi aquatic irl

[barren zephyr]

That just means if the chance comes up lol

Change the model to have duck feet and ill agree lmfao

[normal shuttle]

There’s never a chance

They are always hiding in the wager where you can’t do anything unless you could dive and maybe fish

So you can overeat fish and not let other people get it

[barren zephyr]

Would be cool to see but i think they were more river and swamp aquatic than open lakes and diving after fish lol it just doesnt look likw the type of creature to live long in there lol

But i can see where it does look lol i judt imagined them more as mountains and open plains

[normal shuttle]

It could be fictional in service of gameplay

So cera can thrive in the water to avoid competition with land animals

And instead only come out to go for carcasses or to do an ambush while something drinks

Jaguar niche

Well not really a jaguar since it would already be underwater

[urban flax]

You know what my opinion is on carnivore diets

And diets in general

[frank tapir]

I would argue that's because it performs well in swamp, where it's easy to find dead crocs

[normal shuttle]

But what about the semi aquatic appeal?

Wouldn’t it be cool to have cera thriving in swamps and lakes?

[urban flax]

We have semi-aquatics planned
Cera has no reason to be among them

[urban flax]

Eh

[normal shuttle]

Well yes, variety

And also scavenging underwater

And bullying deinos when they try to escape with a body

[urban flax]

You're making it more like bary
Which is the opposite of variety

[normal shuttle]

Not true, because bary doesn’t have bacteria bite and also charged bite could be an actual hunting tool underwater

With maybe no speed reduction or even a swimming increase while also giving extra stability to endure grabs as you are swimming

While bary is defensively geared and a fisher

Cera could be a hunting brawler who can also fish

[urban flax]

Cera is already very much capable enough for its niche when it comes to water
I have no idea why you want to turn it into a semiaquatic out of nowhere, especially when it has so much overlap with others

[normal shuttle]

Because it would then be completely safe from allos

[urban flax]

This sentence feels so wrong

[normal shuttle]

And would make juveniles viable

[normal shuttle]

Also Albert, rex and giga. Or Maias

[urban flax]

I'd rather have cera being pushed into its actual niche rather than getting new ones at random

[normal shuttle]

It was meant to be capable in water

[limber hull]

it already has enough niches lmao

[normal shuttle]

Shows in the concept how it can do so many things

[limber hull]

capable doesn't mean thriving or adept

making it a jack of all trades AND a master of them too is uh

how we got here

[normal shuttle]

It can scavenge, it can be canni, it can swim away from threats, it can brawl…

Cera is just this extremely competent carnivore

[limber hull]

it's not even lacking by any metric in the aquatic department

[normal shuttle]

Because otherwise it would get hunted to extinction by allosaurus

[normal shuttle]

You can’t catch and cook elite fish, so youre lacking a lot in terms of lipids early on

[urban flax]

Ideally nothing should be able to cook elite fish

[normal shuttle]

Well, have it on cera’s diet then

[limber hull]

why?

it literally does not need that

[urban flax]

Exactly, why ?

[normal shuttle]

Because it needs lipid ai

[limber hull]

cerato should not be more AI dependent, hell no

[normal shuttle]

It needs to clean things up

So ideally it should have all ai in its diet or be able to cook them

Or let them rot

Maybe I’m an ignorant

But we might need more semi aquatics to keep things active

[limber hull]

god no wtf

thats the exact opposite of what they should do

why scavenge when all AI is on your diet lmao

also cooking is stupid on everything

[normal shuttle]

So…us humans letting things dry out at times is stupid?

[limber hull]

you shouldn't be allowed to "cook" fish to begin with

[limber hull]

that's right, leave the cooking for gen 1 and gen 2, and keep it off the dinos

[normal shuttle]

They have literal human intelligence

They should be able to do something as simple

Also monkeys wash their food and such

[limber hull]

again, why trivialise cerato survival even futher?

[urban flax]

What players are doing isn't cooking

It's just leaving food to rot
You must be american or british to think this qualifies as cooking

[normal shuttle]

I’m not

But I respect different cultures and I assume ceras and deinos have a refined taste

Maybe they like the taste of fungi and bacteria

Who knows, it ain’t harmful for them

[normal shuttle]

It’s meant to be easy

[urban flax]

It's not
But it's not cooking

[urban flax]

Why ? How ?

[normal shuttle]

Well, we use the term like that, but sure it isn’t cooking something or boiling it. Still I would say it qualifies as gastronomic practice

[normal shuttle]

Yeah it’s the scavenger and has a good size for beginners

It could be the perfect noob friendly dinosaur when the roster is complete

[urban flax]

It's literally just letting food rot
And somehow it magically makes it more nutrient-rich
Which is NOT what rotting does to food

Especially within this game's diet system, which is supposed to severely limit what a dinosaur can eat

[normal shuttle]

Idk man, maybe there’s a lore explanation

Maybe there’s some logic behind it

Unironically, perhaps cera has some symbiotic relationship

[urban flax]

What about deino then ? And all future scavengers which will benefit from that stupid bug until it's fixed ?

Until something is mentioned within the lore to justify this, I'll assume it's a bug or oversight
Which it absolutely is

[normal shuttle]

Maybe

Maybe I tripped

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure you did

[ashen shell]

i hate cera

[normal shuttle]

I don’t

Less mid than acro ngl

[normal shuttle]

I admit my mistakes

That would make magy proud

[normal shuttle]

Also, in all fairness

Acro’s concept could be worse

It could be Alberto or Cheirus concept

[warped remnant]

@atomic tangle I agree with you on carnis but herbi diet works as intended and is always based on patrol and migration zone. The only change they should maybe make is making 2 migration zones active at the same time but very far from each other so everyone has a chance of reaching one in time.

[wooden agate]

@atomic tangle #general-feedback message your diet changed because your MZ/PZ changed while you logged off

also, wdym unrealistic diets for carnivores?

i do like the idea of outgrowing food but there'd have to be a ui element to indicate theyre not permenant diet options imo

[tranquil silo]

The only food you should outgrow is stuff you find in sanctuary, we def need stuff for carnis in there besides baby herbis

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt mind things like apexes outgrowing things like ai

[tranquil silo]

Thats fair, but i think thats for a future disscusion.

[wooden agate]

granted i dont think apexes should have ai on their diet to begin with but meh

[tranquil silo]

Could you explain why? i disagree with that statement at face value and wanna know your reasoning to see if my pov changes

[wooden agate]

mostly because AI is already such a crutch for some creatures

apexes need difficulty in their entire growth cycle to properly justify the power they're bringing into the ecosystem. i fear that AI, especially in the juvie stages, would allow apexes to avoid a lot of difficulty and just superboost their diet to avoid the challenges of being a juvie apex.

this worry multiplies by 10x when i take into account AI dinosaurs are planned for the future

take juvie rex for instance, its insanely fast. faster than carno in the HT files currently (could change though)

that thing will have no issue traversing the map and finding AI simply due to its speed when it spawns, while also being able to just run away from any threats they have

so if rex doesnt have the difficulty of being realistically huntable at that age, it would need the difficulty in finding diet/food sources

i also worry about how much food the AI would give the adults (i think boars currently give rex close to 3-6% food, math wise?)

[wooden agate]

i think this is the bigger issue though, hence me being okay with just removing AI from apex diets later in its life

[tranquil silo]

I hundred percent agree with that sentient, which i believe i can agree with the growing out of AI later. But there is also just the fact that sometimes you dont run into players at all for hunting is why i think AI should still be on there for at least the first hour of gameplay(Depending on rex grow times) But thanks for sharing with me. I appreciate your input and willingness to explain.

[tranquil silo]

How much do Rexes weigh?

[wooden agate]

9.35t in files right now

[tranquil silo]

Boar gives gator like 4% im pretty sure?

[wooden agate]

oh for sure, but i dont think thats necessarily a huge concern. juvies will still be able to hunt the deer/boar/goat, they just wouldnt be able to get diet from it.

i do think having an hour of having AI on your diet is the best middle ground however

[vernal jacinth]

@vagrant sapphire they already have a small admin team

[spice orbit]

#general-feedback message
this is a joke right

[vagrant sapphire]

yeah thats my point. (not being rude or anything). if they got people from unofficial servers to work with them it will make it easier to track and stop the hackers. most of the unofficial servers have admins that are on most of the time. why not ask some of them to help out, give them a "time trial" to see if the devs approve of them and when a hacker is on, all the players have to do is ping these admins, who can jump from their server to official server within a minute, tracking these hackers and banning them like they are supposed to, as well do regrows (which i think is something that needs to be added, since its not the players fault for the hacker). the unofficial server admins wont mind doing it, because we do it all the time. and of course creating something like a heavy rule so that if they admin abuse, they get banned from the game entirely or something. (ofcourse i think its fair to have a warning first). but yeah. just my experience with hackers made me think that this " collab" will really benefit the isle community itself by reducing hacker amounts

[vagrant sapphire]

dear Lord I hope so

[formal linden]

bro

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback-discussion message

read down from here

[icy lion]

The application to become an admin is in #rules-and-info

[bronze niche]

@urban flax why do you disagree i need to hear the other side

[urban flax]

Tails already take heavily reduced damage
Also the proposed fix seems overly complex and unintuitive

[bronze niche]

you can die from tail shots though thats the thing, someone could be the same speed as you and they can just keep repeatedly hitting your tail until you die

pretty sure thats also how most pachy and cera fights go ive seen it before

[vagrant sapphire]

Thank you for your response. I dont think that this is the right way of going by the collab. Let me explain. I think that it should be discussed by the Devs and admins that are currently here. Maybe some of the admins should look for possible candidates for this collab , by looking into some of the biggest unofficial server admins and asking if anyone would be willing to help. There is nothing wrong with asking for help. Becides, some of them will do it for free and will give the isle a better chance at taking on hackers. I cant ask all the unofficial servers if they will be down to do it, because its not my responsibility. If the Devs and admins of the isle want some help with the hackers, I feel that they should reach out to the community, not the other way around. Unless the devs dont see the hackers as a problem, which I highly doubt, because its been a problem for a while and people are getting cranky about it. Myself included. Thats why i dont play on officials anymore. At the end of the day its up to the Devs if they want help with this. So my suggestion is, start looking for candidates and lets make it happen. Nothing bad can come out of this. Its a collab between the Isle and its community. I see it as an absolute win, and then people cant say " yeah they dont care about the community", because that has been thrown around allot. Prove them wrong.

[icy lion]

We are always looking for candidates, that's why the application is posted in the #rules-and-info channel

[vagrant sapphire]

You misunderstood me. Im saying that instead of waiting for people to come to you (which can be every Joe and Jane) ask the community for help. Dont just say here in rules and info you can apply and then 100s apply but none of them are the exact candidates you are looking for as the Isle Team. Go look, for admins who already have experience, like in the unofficial servers. I am sure some of the devs are already in contact with them. So just ask them if they would be up for it. Its not the community's responsibility to reach out to fix a current problem in a game that they play. Its the Devs and admins of the games responsibility to make it playable for the community. So reach out. Dont just wait for anyone to come knocking on #rules-and-info . Make it happen. But then again. Its all up to you.

[vernal ermine]

@haughty folio why downvote? what the hell is wrong with that suggestion

[urban flax]

@ornate spade A species being a cannibal actually makes it easier to play and to sustain

[haughty folio]

mechanical complexity and the principle of the fact that you tagged me to ask this question

[vernal ermine]

you said it yourself, small

[ornate spade]

Easier for the Rex who ate 4 other Rex’s but was it easier for the 4 Rex’s that got eaten? 😂

Argument makes no sense

[urban flax]

It just makes it overall easier for rexes to survive

[ornate spade]

Cera is easy because it can eat almost any Dino and whether it’s rotten or not. Other ceras eating you does NOT make it easier

[limber hull]

If I'm in a megapack, and one of my megapack members die, all of my megapack buddies can eat the fallen rex

If it's not a cannibal, that can't happen

[vernal ermine]

elaborate, what does mechanical complexity have to do with disagreeing with that totally fine mechanic

[limber hull]

Funny you mention it, because the same thing also happened back when carno was on carno's diet, despite carno having a very limited diet

[ornate spade]

It’s also vastly less likely for a mega pack to occur

[urban flax]

If rex cannibal :
Server is 80% rex
Rexes can eat other rexes
Rex thrives

If rex not cannibal :
Server is 80% rex
Rexes must fight over food, which of there isn't enough
Rex starves

[limber hull]

Quite the opposite

[vernal ermine]

it can happen. your megapack just won't benefit in forms of nutrition

[limber hull]

It's vastly more likely, because larger numbers of rexes are actively supported by the game

[limber hull]

True, you have a point, but that alone dissuades it

Carno megapacks were everywhere with canni carno

[haughty folio]

I just think that it's not worth the effort to attempt to implement for 2 playables

[limber hull]

When cannibalism was removed, the megapacks dropped bigtime too

[vernal ermine]

homie. Rex will have a big hunger drain. They definitely eat rex corpses, but be on the lookout for nutritional ones

[limber hull]

We went from frequent 10+ megapacks of carnos to seeing 5+ megapacks with non-cannibal

[vernal ermine]

true, but you can't compare carno to rex

[ornate spade]

Yeah you got 80% of the server is Rex and “Rex thrives” but how? By making sure every other Rex they eat DOESNT

If a Rex has to eat 3 other Rex’s in 3 hours of gameplay that’s massive

If they’re taking 12 hours to grow

[haughty folio]

Ehhh

[ornate spade]

I don’t get how that makes ALL the Rex’s thrive

It favours the few and the many die

[vernal ermine]

You should remove your downvote if that's your reasoning
It's a mechanic that adds more variation in the playables, even more to do

more ways to survive, and it also encourages players to group up with others instead of soloing

[limber hull]

Which is better achieved through flat out not allowing cannibalism

They will HAVE to kill each other over food, but in competition, making fights more territorial than for an active, immediate benefit

[haughty folio]

Counterpoint: no

[vernal ermine]

It's objectively factual that it adds variation and encourages players to group up so you must be deluded

[urban flax]

Cannibalism still makes it easier as there is an OPTION to thrive despite there being only rexes
Which should be 0% sustainable

[limber hull]

Rexes will NEED to fight, because big 9.35 ton carni ain't eating well as long as any other 9.35 carni exists in its space

[ornate spade]

They won’t kill each other, they will just leave the area. You don’t see carnos killing each other bc they’re hungry lol

[limber hull]

Cannibalism makes that meal more accessible

[vernal ermine]

rexes will be meals to other rexes regardless, they just won't be nutritional

[haughty folio]

It's objectively factual that you're obsessing over nigh worthless internet points

[limber hull]

Cannibalism is a new diet option which also happens to be the most popular and large animal in the game

I hope you see the issue here

[ornate spade]

How is it more accessible lol? You have to fight a literal REX to get it

[urban flax]

Rexes are very well known for politely minding each other's territory and never fighting over something as vital as food

[ornate spade]

Why are we acting like fighting a Rex 1v1 is an easy task

[limber hull]

We're not

[icy lion]

Smaller rexes exist

[urban flax]

It is more accessible than the alternative, which is : you can't

[limber hull]

IDK where this came from

[ornate spade]

Smaller Rex’s are faster than the big ones

[limber hull]

Or you CAN but without massive benefit

[ornate spade]

And this won’t get eaten regardless

My point stands

[urban flax]

Young rexes would definitely get eaten by larger ones

[limber hull]

But removing cannibalism is literally nothing more than making rex harder

[haughty folio]

Anyhow on the topic of cannibaloing, it's overall a net benefit on one basis alone: casualties on your side of the fight are valid food sources

[vernal ermine]

You have 4K messages.
Keep in mind that any time you spend on discord, is as little productive as you spending 2h discussing whether a banana is a fruit or not.

Any time you spend on this app is a waste of time. I just think you're laughably wrong so I decide to spend some time teaching you that the mechanic adds more purpose to the fliers

[ornate spade]

Rex’s are literally known to eat each other after territorial disputes

[limber hull]

Removing a diet option that would provide some of the most meat in the game

[urban flax]

Faking being friendly is a prime example of how that'll happen most of the time

[ornate spade]

It’s some of the most well documented cannibalism in dinosaurs

[limber hull]

So was carno, and that cannibalism was removed

I fail to see your meaning

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[limber hull]

Gameplay over realism, all the time, every time

[ornate spade]

Exactly, making Rex’s less inclined to group up, leading to a more vulnerable Rex growing phase

[limber hull]

I want rex to be harder, not easier

[urban flax]

It's safe to assume that every carnivore dinosaur was cannibal to an extent tbh, as only mammals have an issue with cannibalism

[vernal ermine]

rex and trike will provide most food in the game.

If a rex has 20% food and is unsure of when it will kill its next meal, you BET it will eat a dead rex if it comes across it

cannibalism won't change much with the rexes.

or even kill a rex

[vernal ermine]

safe to assume that there is a chance*

[limber hull]

I really don't care how realistic something is if it just acts to make an animal that should NOT be common to see as an adult easir to grow to adult

[ornate spade]

I REALLY am failing to see how it makes a Dino easier to grow ONE REX IS DYING for the other to have a meal that at MAX keeps it going for an hour

When Rex growth time is like 12 hours

[urban flax]

It's been explained to you

[ornate spade]

So ONE REX, will have to kill 12 of them, in the time it takes ONE to grow

[vernal ermine]

it's crazy that you compared carnos to this scenario when carno takes 2h while rex takes 12 @limber hull lmao

[urban flax]

Cannibalism = food
No cannibalism = no food
It's not any more complicated than this

[ornate spade]

Yeah but the math is not mathing

[haughty folio]

Not really, no. It just adds something that people who play as fliers probably will interact with exactly once, go "huh, neat," and then never do again because it hurts them in order to help another, unless the cost is so miniscule that they instead abuse it to remain even more immortal than they are.

Moreover, the only reason you even are talking in here right now is bc I clicked the little red X and you took personal offense to that

[urban flax]

Elaborate