general-feedback-discussion

[indigo gulch]

It’s doomed anyways, it should at least have some deterrent and now it depends on you being low beforehand

AC-130 inbound

[compact sequoia]

i know but one attack by a baby stego and yellow lining a fg carno being called a glass cannon is not a justification

[frank tapir]

baby cera?

[indigo gulch]

It is though. Again, you’re fighting something 60% of your weight. Of course it’s gonna leave a mark

[compact sequoia]

not in one shot

[indigo gulch]

Yes, in one shot

It’s not gonna get more than that realistically

[compact sequoia]

then it should die in 8 shot

3 rams + 2 bites ?

plus more

[indigo gulch]

Sounds fine

[frank tapir]

yellow isn't that far, you could absolutely have finished the fight, it's an easy target to hit with ram and it takes 2x damage on headshots

[indigo gulch]

It can’t run from you, you have all the time want

[compact sequoia]

doesn't justify a 800 kg dino getting 8 or 9 shots from a 1.4 ton dino and dealing it 25% dmg in one shot.

due to being a baby it didn't run out of stam even missing terribly

and running around with that charged tail

[woven bane]

why is weight relevant again?

[frank tapir]

because that's the stat the decides how strong something should be it would seem

[woven bane]

why does it decide how much a separate stat is tho lol

[swift raft]

I mean, so what if it could do 15 strides per second lol ? Its the most harmpless fragile carvivore juvenile in the game..in its current nefed state, if we get spawned far from corpse, we are cooked lol Cant get anywhere fast enough to stay alive..

[frank tapir]

they probably had the smaller ai they're adding in mind when changing the speed

[swift raft]

maybe so..like when they nerfed stam regen when Gateway dropped before adding stam regen via trot lol

we had to Z walk to regen..lol

[normal shuttle]

You can go for AI

Although all of this will be a non issue with sanctuary ai

[compact sequoia]

weight is hp in game

[normal shuttle]

It specializes in doing damage

We told you a million times

Also you don’t know if it was 25%

[compact sequoia]

yeah glass cannon

[compact sequoia]

yellow line

[normal shuttle]

And carno doesn’t have precisely high damage

[woven bane]

ik, what does it have to do with dmg is what i’m asking

[compact sequoia]

they say glass cannon

[normal shuttle]

Because stego is a glass cannon, but Pale cannot get that it’s a whole spectrum

It being a glass cannon of the apex world doesn’t mean it’s gonna get one tapped

It has by far the worst defenses of all apexes as far as we know

It has nothing but damage

[woven bane]

the daily stego debate, gotta love it

[normal shuttle]

Carnivore zealots when the giant defensive herbivore doesn’t have terrible damage and on top of that it doesn’t get two shot by a carnivore a fifth of its size

Also said that kentro should be terrified of cera and just hide from it 😭

[compact sequoia]

baby stego

herbi zealot

[limber hull]

are we talking about 1250 again

[compact sequoia]

no this time baby stego

tell me what is meant to hunt baby stego ?

[frank tapir]

you could have killed it dude, you just decided you couldn't

[desert arch]

Bro what 😭

[compact sequoia]

no i couldn't with that bleed

[desert arch]

Literally anything, except ptera can kill a baby stego

[urban flax]

krill issue

[urban flax]

Ptera can kill a baby stego

[desert arch]

Eh, 200-800hp for 20dmg pecks is a lot

[urban flax]

It's 10-40 pecks
Doable

[compact sequoia]

lets duel....you bring ptera i bring stego baby

👍🏻

[frank tapir]

how are you gonna kill a ptera as stego in a 1v1

[desert arch]

40 pecks is not doable unless the stego just lets itself be pecked to death lol

[normal shuttle]

He was pummeling a baby stego and clearly winning, he got hit into yellow and ragequit (walked away) from the fight

[desert arch]

But 20 is yes

[urban flax]

As if I had that much time to waste

[normal shuttle]

Basically

Bro got 5 hits on a less than 1 ton steg and after one blow he got mad

[urban flax]

Well, what will the stego do ? retaliate ? Run away ?

[desert arch]

Go into a forest and hug a tree

[indigo gulch]

gotta love how so many points are being made and then one particular thing is chosen and the rest apparently doesnt matter T_T

[urban flax]

This only works against rookie pteras

[indigo gulch]

[compact sequoia]

actually more 8 or 9

[normal shuttle]

Even worse

[compact sequoia]

i fought it for 30 min

[normal shuttle]

You’re making a fool out of yourself

You were winning clearly, the stego had no chance and you crashed out after getting hit once

[desert arch]

If you find a clump of trees it literally becomes impossible for ptera to do anything, especially if you keep moving as well

[indigo gulch]

ring around the rosy- I mean tree

[compact sequoia]

because you cant...you will lose

[normal shuttle]

Or maybe he doesn’t want to waste his time

[compact sequoia]

i got killed by a cera ambush

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[desert arch]

If a stego did almost half of his hp in 1 swing, it was NOT a baby lmao

[normal shuttle]

Your fault for being unaware

[normal shuttle]

True as well

[limber hull]

literally anything? its super easy

[normal shuttle]

I guess he just expected herbivores to do the same some do irl of just running away and not retaliating despite having the right weapons to do so

[frank tapir]

how would they lose? unless they mess up and fly into something you're not killing them, at worst it would be a draw

[normal shuttle]

Dinosaurs in the isle are controlled by players, players don’t wanna suddenly become dumb and start screaming for help instead of fighting on their own or running away like most animals would do if they weren’t stupid after attacked

Except anteaters. Anteater my beloved (carnivore though)

[mild valve]

#general-feedback message @hushed plaza This will hopefully be less of an issue once austro and bary are introduced but yeah poor deino needs some love soon cuz right now playing as my fav dino is ass.

[frank tapir]

plenty of animals fight if they know they can't run, natgeo posted a video a while ago of a baby bison fighting a wolf

[normal shuttle]

I mean yeah

[hushed plaza]

Yeah I never understood the whole having to cook fish before they add to your diet thing it seems so weird

[normal shuttle]

But it sucks that’s not the popular portrayal

Some just panic and I guess some isle players (all carnivore mains who for the most part just started playing) expect them to do like buffalos when they refuse to fight back and just die

[normal shuttle]

Cooking should be removed from the game ngl

[ornate spade]

wow i heard they nerfed juvie speed but 12km thats crazy, it must feel like a slug, cant even outspeed baby ceras anymore what... thats insane

[desert arch]

Fresh spawn troodon stats 😭

[frank tapir]

I do wonder if there'll be complaints about anky, or if people will just know what to expect with it

[hushed plaza]

aint no way

[ornate spade]

thats so sad legit... i main troodon too

[desert arch]

But honestly, the buffs it got make up for it

[normal shuttle]

Oh boy

If people despite stego, imagine anky as a creature with fractures and incapacitation, on top of actually being able to bully semi aquatics or camping water when attacked

[ornate spade]

i heard it was getting a "slight" nerf to speed, but down to 12 from like 45 or something is crazy

[desert arch]

Eearly game is harder, but youre 4x more capable as an adult

[normal shuttle]

And also impervious to most moves

[hushed plaza]

what buffs is it getting?

[desert arch]

You can easily do 20 pounces with a single stamina bar

[normal shuttle]

People are gonna DESPISE anky because they can’t understand they don’t have to fight everything they come across

[ornate spade]

wow, thats crazy good

[desert arch]

Its 39kmh as a fresh spawn on live

[normal shuttle]

Now your pounces are like 2.5% stamina instead of 5-7

[hushed plaza]

jesus

[normal shuttle]

Also more diet

[desert arch]

Minimum is 7% on live yeah

And thats with you spamming space like a madman

[ornate spade]

worth the trade off, most of the time the size of a dino determines it cant be hunted bc of how much stamina it would take, not how much health it has

[normal shuttle]

As a fresh spawn you just need to find a frog or crab and you’re good until 40-50% when you’re actually fast

[ornate spade]

so you will be able to hunt much bigger prey now

[hushed plaza]

does reinforced tendons work with the pounce?

[ornate spade]

especially as a solo troo

[frank tapir]

I can't wait for anky, it'll be really intersting to see how they balance it as a juvie and sub

[normal shuttle]

No

[desert arch]

No

[hushed plaza]

rip

[normal shuttle]

Same

[desert arch]

Never did, hopefully never will

[normal shuttle]

That would be so broken on HT troodon

[desert arch]

1% pounce cost for troodon would be op as hell

[hushed plaza]

So much misinformation on that online lmfao I got baited into believing it worked thanks to a bunch of youtubers

[normal shuttle]

Yeah hence why it’s disallowed here

Game misinformation

[ornate spade]

yeah, but a lot changes too

[hushed plaza]

ah good point

[ornate spade]

like tendons works with ptera take off now

it never used to

same with herra jumps

[normal shuttle]

Ptera rework when

[ornate spade]

fr i cant wait, i want to be able to hunt things that are 2 minutes bigger than JUST spawned in

love the small dinos but i feel like they get no love compared to the bigger stuff, just bc less ppl play them

[normal shuttle]

Fresh spawns are easy pickings as ptera

What sucks imo is that you cannot take advantage of some corpses

[hushed plaza]

hopefully they dial back the speed nerf though on troodon thats kinda crazy how much its getting lowered

[ornate spade]

it should be able to pick bones and eat rotten meat

it would be 10x better fr

[normal shuttle]

Because dragging a baby cera 5 meters into the water can burn like 60% of your stamina just so your kill is edible

[ornate spade]

can scout the map for decaying corpses and flock to them

[normal shuttle]

Imo ptera should have notably worse flight stamina

[ornate spade]

yeah true thats so annoying

[normal shuttle]

But VASTLY better running and swimming stamina

[ornate spade]

and the stamina regen is abyssmal

[junior nymph]

@hushed plazaI would like schooling fish to be on deinos diet but only for juvies

[normal shuttle]

It should be better than a land beipi while still inferior to a troodon in terms of speed, agility and stamina

42kph land ptera

[frank tapir]

ptera's swimming is so bad atm

[hushed plaza]

i mean either way you can still cook them anyway so its just getting rid of an annoying 'wait 8 minutes before eating them' condition

[normal shuttle]

Remove cooking

[hushed plaza]

you'd have to remove things rotting then because thats what it actually is 😭

[ornate spade]

does deino still get dots from fish if they rot? is that what we are talking about lol

i assumed that was a bug and would be removed lol

[normal shuttle]

I would have to remove the option of getting nutrients from non diet stuff when they rot

Simple as that

[hushed plaza]

ig

[indigo gulch]

then just add it to the diet of baby deinos

[normal shuttle]

Yes, it’s just some tech/exploit

[normal shuttle]

Then just rework deino so it isn’t ass

And let deinos survive in their own when there’s more semi aquatics

[indigo gulch]

I mean until its reworked bro x)

[normal shuttle]

Never, let them suffer

We don’t need more deinos pre rework

[indigo gulch]

it's just for babies man

literally until they can eat elite fish

[urban flax]

Diets are bad

There isn't a single creature in this game with a diet that makes sense

[normal shuttle]

Let them suffer

[normal shuttle]

Beipi?

[indigo gulch]

smh hater 😛

[urban flax]

Beipi has the plants part of its diet changing all the time, like all herbis
Also isn't a true omnivore
It's diet is bad

[indigo gulch]

*its

sorry, minor nitpick of mine x)

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[indigo gulch]

Louisoix didn't die for your spelling mistake 😠

[normal shuttle]

Well then

What about Austro’s diet?

[frank tapir]

needs more things on it

[normal shuttle]

True

They should make austro a cannibal ngl

[frank tapir]

I would be so sad

[ornate spade]

pteranodon!

[normal shuttle]

No

Has chicken in its diet

[ornate spade]

true tho, an ACTUAL omnivore would go hard for this game

[indigo gulch]

chicken makes a bit of sense tbf

[frank tapir]

theri 🤞

[normal shuttle]

AVA

[ornate spade]

cannibal bird 😂

[normal shuttle]

AVA GANG

[indigo gulch]

pretty realistic 😛

[normal shuttle]

Erm

Pteranodon is not a bird, not even a dinosaur

[ornate spade]

i wish they'd have something cooler like dimetrodon

and make it semi aquatic true omnivore

eating fish plants and baby crocs

[ornate spade]

i know lol just joking

[normal shuttle]

You’re not

[frank tapir]

I can't imagine it surviving very well

[ornate spade]

i am lol, theyre a flying reptile

[normal shuttle]

Dimetrodon glider niche

[ornate spade]

dimetrodon, not dimorphodon

its like a sailed lizard

[normal shuttle]

I know

Better thought, dimetrodon could be a sailor

It could float thanks to air sacs and hollow bones, and just swim quickly in the sea by moving the spines of its sail sideways to orientate the membrane

And take advantage of the wind currents with zero stamina costs

[swift raft]

The grass changes in HT are kinda cool.. but clearly need a bit of refinement. A juve troo walking through grass leaves a trail of flattened grass the size of a lawn mower! 😆

However I’m more concerned about not being able to hide in grass without it falling flat around you..?

[mild valve]

#general-feedback message @tranquil vale @frank tapir any feedback, way to improve, or particular reason the mutations don't sound like a good idea?

[vernal jacinth]

@lean sierra you can report them in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞
Feedback is more for what people would like to see in the game or see more of in the game.

[lean sierra]

ah ok sorry my mistake, thank you 😄

[vernal jacinth]

You’re welcome

[lean sierra]

i have a suggestion that fits that criteria though

Would love to see some statics on the death page ie; what sniped us, their finishing move, how many life kills for both players etc.

stats*

[vernal jacinth]

If you have replays on while you play and use F2 to turn it on. You can see that or you can use a secondary program to record game play. Like medal, OBS and there’s some others people use. Replays help you though if you get killed by a hacker and need to report them with their ID and such

[lean sierra]

I saw the replays but they aren't always our own, but like u said I must not press f2 at all to know this, but that is very clever actually.

[vernal jacinth]

I always try to have mine on when I play just in case

[lean sierra]

any tips on how to know if someone is hacking or?

[vernal jacinth]

Speed
ESP- Seeing you through walls, hills, etc.
One shot
Range bite
God mode
Vomit hack
Are a few I know of. There’s a bunch more but I can’t recall them all. Most times it’s VERY obvious if they are.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message “buff beipi alt attack” bro that’s literally the strongest attack in the whole game😭😭😭

beipis alt attack is RIDICULOUS

[limber hull]

buff it tho

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-anime-gif-22100130

[edgy flax]

how?

[woeful latch]

highest damage/bleed compared to weight

one alt attack leaves herrera with red health and bleeds it out if it doesn’t sit immediately

same with any other juvie/small dino

[edgy flax]

how many alt attacks to bleed out a omni?

[woeful latch]

idk, but you will probably get pinned if you try to fight omni

[unreal ridge]

It’s SO slow

I would rather beipi alt attack be a single like back hand or overhead swipe

rather than this drawn out animation that opens you up to attack

[woeful latch]

even tho it’s somewhat slow it deals damage 3 times

[unreal ridge]

2 swipes and a peck that won’t hit
It would be better off not using its alt attack in every situation

https://youtube.com/shorts/PeUDFLUFHpw?si=hDsh8Bsk7F0UEPqk
This is what happens when beipi alt attacks

He got a hit on me earlier but that’s because he used his actual claw swipe

It’s just incredibly slow

I would rather it be like a double swipe up/down

Quick little animation

[cyan flame]

@river idol Why? Does it need it?

[river idol]

it could use a higher weight especially since it obviously larger than a cerato but weighs the same. when allo releases theres gonna be a huuuge jump between cerato and allo weight-wise thatll need to be filled imo and that should be carno

[woeful latch]

they should buff carno to 1301kg

[frank tapir]

they should buff cera to 1299 (it can't be nerfed)

[river idol]

look at carnos diet. its not well equipped to kill a a lot of things on there

[limber hull]

carno

[barren crater]

dryo lol

[river idol]

i said a lot, not everything

[barren crater]

What a funny diet

[river idol]

right

[urban flax]

It's moreso a problem with the diet than with carno

[latent olive]

the

the juveniles

a juvenile diablo or Maia is a good feed

[tall hearth]

But my adult vs adult combat......

[river idol]

just took out an entire galli nest and got no food from it. can the community decide if its a small game hunter or are we just delusional

[junior nymph]

@barren zephyr just make it weight based

[barren zephyr]

Hmm True

[junior nymph]

the smaller the thing is the shorter time you would need to charge for

[river idol]

just died to gallis because the small game hunter aint strong enogh to kill small game

[barren zephyr]

Oh maybe that would work

[junior nymph]

💀

I think thats a skill issue

I have to be honest

[barren zephyr]

lol

[junior nymph]

depending on how much gallis were there

bird Ik we can kill carnos

[barren crater]

Galli is goated lol

[river idol]

2 i was 37%. they were both low but fact is you aint fast enough and their kick does more damage than you can handle

[junior nymph]

ok why would you fight 2 gallis as a fresh sub

[barren crater]

I mean they control that fight tbf

[river idol]

i had like no diet for the past 3 hours because the diet is ass on carno and i was gonna starve regardless.

[barren crater]

Even fg carno can't run from a galli pair

[barren zephyr]

[river idol]

better to die trying ig

[junior nymph]

I dont really have issues with carno

[barren crater]

wha

[river idol]

you must not play it lmao

[barren zephyr]

wha

[junior nymph]

bird and our main group has done alot with gallis

[barren crater]

live build carno stinks. HT carno is much better

[river idol]

whats HT carno got that this one dont?

[junior nymph]

I love HT carno

[junior nymph]

everything.

[river idol]

okay like what smarty-pants

[junior nymph]

better turning, better bleed res, better stam, 2:05 growth time

and I think Im forgetting something but im not sure

but in general its a beast

[river idol]

does it have more weight?

[junior nymph]

it doesnt really need it as of rn

more weight could be nice but still

I have done many a hunt of the HT carno

[river idol]

well imo it should be able to take a teno in a 1v1 because like wtf do you expect to happen when getting rammed by 1300 kg of weight at 50 kmh. like imagine getting hit by a car and ur fine

[junior nymph]

It can. It will just loose 80% of the time

[river idol]

youd have to hit a teno with a car 13 times to kill it by that logic

[junior nymph]

I killed a full adult dibble on HT as carno

[river idol]

bruh

by yourself?

[junior nymph]

1 other guy

[river idol]

yeaaaaaaaaa

[junior nymph]

the rest were juvies

[river idol]

yeaaaaaaa

i mean 2 carnos can kill anything if its dumb enough tho

[junior nymph]

facts

I have a video from a guy were we hunted a terrible stego

[urban flax]

If carno can have the upper hand against a teno, what will teno do to survive ?
Can't fight back, can't run away

[river idol]

im not saying give it the upper hand

im saying give them equal ground

[urban flax]

Nah

[junior nymph]

IMO carno is in a good spot in the HT as I have played it a bunch

very fun too

[urban flax]

Carno controls the engagement, it doesn't deserve to have an equal chance against a teno which is slower, larger AND a brawler

[river idol]

it wont

im saying give it equal ground

[frank tapir]

so reduce carno's speed to be closer to teno's?

[river idol]

as in if the teno hits its shots it will win but if the carno manages to out maneuver it will win.

bruh stop acting dense

EQUAL GROUND

[frank tapir]

the carno can choose not to fight the teno, the teno has no choice

[river idol]

this isnt gonna be one stat.

[frank tapir]

as long as carno is faster, it cannot be equal

[river idol]

same goes for teno fighting a cerato. teno is faster and does more dmg but youre not complaining about that

[frank tapir]

cera teno is pretty even, and it's faster by 0.1km/h

[river idol]

still faster

and has more stam as far as ik

[frank tapir]

teno is also far worse than cera or carno at chasing, it's best attacks are defensive

[river idol]

you can bite a cera in the ass to death and kill it giving it no chance

[frank tapir]

carno is faster than teno by 9.2km/h, without charge

[river idol]

bruh

[frank tapir]

if the cera sucks absolute ass maybe

[river idol]

youre completely not undersating at all what i was saying

[normal shuttle]

@unreal ridge what you are suggesting is...just keeping the op combat mutations as they are in exchange of just further encouraging their use?

[frank tapir]

you don't understand how important speed is

[normal shuttle]

[river idol]

i do but you dont understand what im saying

give the teno and the carno both an equal chance against each other

as in when they fight the odds are 50/50

[normal shuttle]

if you get chased down and bitten to death by a teno it is exclusively YOUR fault

If teno plays on the offensive, cera absolutely rolls it

[river idol]

that could just mean making carno do more damage so it can hit and run but teno can knock it over

[frank tapir]

that can never be fair because the carno entirely dictates the engagement

[normal shuttle]

because there's more to balancing than speed and damage

[river idol]

you are wrong

teno kick and tailslam does more dmg than a cerato can output

[normal shuttle]

teno's strongest attacks need to be done while stationary or from behind

[normal shuttle]

and as far as I am concerned, tenontosaurus does not have its hind limbs and tail on its face

If it plays offensive, it risks getting a charged bite to the head before it can turn around

[river idol]

so if it bite you in the ass to death and your only option is to turn around, the teno can just turn around and kick you to death

[cyan flame]

I don't think carno is meant to hunt teno

[river idol]

i mean yeah but as soon as you start charging im turning around

[frank tapir]

if the quickguide is right, that is straight up not true

[river idol]

ik from expirence that a teno can beat a cerato in a 1v1 every time if the teno is smart

[frank tapir]

teno's highest damage attack is 275, cera's is 345

[normal shuttle]

then the teno is no longer at your tail

congratulations, now you know the key of that matchup

teno has to choose between forfeiting the tail biting or losing almost a third of its health

also, 0.1kph faster lmao

[unreal ridge]

What?
All the combat mutations need to have drawbacks so that they need to be utilized in an effective manner

Gastro in this case would have a cap of how much a creature can eat at one time, limiting how much they can heal
And creatures without a body or food nearby heal much slower by default

Tactile, it’s only strong when you are in combat
You keep the stamina regeneration when being attacked, however out of combat it’s much slower to regenerate stamina
Changing how people play the game

The mutations are meant to be customizable to a certain playstyle, all the meta muts should have drawbacks to make them even with the others/make them only usable by people who actually know what they are doing and can build a good set of muts

Like photo and nocturnal could have opposite debuffs of each other, so you either need both if you want to break even or you take one and hide out during the time the other affects

Bringing the non combat mutations up to the combat ones by keeping them without a drawback would help allow people to customize a build to their play style

[normal shuttle]

gastro doesnt even work that way

you can eat a juvenile troodon as a fg cera and heal that 5%

or a schooling fish as deino

also that healing rate equals more action, and that equals more kills

and also tactile nerfing you unless you are fighting 😭

just get rid of them entirely, problem solved

[unreal ridge]

That works too

[unreal ridge]

Isn’t that the whole point of the mutation though?

[unreal ridge]

Yeah I know how Gastro works

[normal shuttle]

no, it isn't meant to give you a stamina efficiency that is better when fighting than elsewhere

[unreal ridge]

So that’s also what I suggested

[normal shuttle]

it is the only option to avoid all absurd exploit cheese meta moments

[unreal ridge]

100%

[ornate spade]

@mild valve I think the ramping idea of the mutation is kinda annoying to code and opens up the possibility for a lot more bugs.

The idea of less hunger drain at day but more at night seems backwards as you’d want it to slow at night because you can’t find food as a Herbie, then it might be decent.

The reduce growth time thing on hunger drain is kinda annoying making it so you literally can’t be still, to rest, to eat etc otherwise you’re growing slower, and again; opens up the possibility for more bugs since it’s not just stat changes.

This one even has a whole system they’d need to code for detecting if the player is moving
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@hushed plaza what they should really do is make elite fish and schooling fish the same diet, and keep schooling fish on the diet always.

That way deino can only get max 100% growth from AI and still needs to hunt players to grow fast as it should

[river idol]

@lyric agate I like the idea but maybe let’s make it something more like 100%-150% increased growth so it’s a little more obtainable for larger creatures

[lyric agate]

You can get 100-150 by just getting hungry to 0 and eating up one diet to full stomach thats why i thought 200-250 would be better

Less elders around because you have to work for it by any means, overeating throwing up eating diets , farming on gastroliths

and just camping 2 AI's wouldnt be enough so thats the idea yk

[vernal ermine]

@lyric agate cool concept, but there should be more to eldering than that

for example i think nesting should be a big part of eldering

because we need to incentivize people to nest

@bronze niche good idea, debuffs before it tanks your health

like for example, if you're red on water, it makes you drain stam faster

and then eventually lose health

[bronze niche]

yeah sure that sounds good

[vernal ermine]

i think it's a good idea tbh

@twilit monolith this is dumb tho

this is true

[faint folio]

I don't think that's entirely unreasonable, actually. Although, i think there should be more nuance to the original take

[vernal ermine]

Bodies not emitting odor instantly is probably inspired by realism. It's a good thing because it supports gameplay too

[faint folio]

My suggested adjustment is - let players immediately smell corpses that they've eaten from at maximum distance, while other corpses do the usual thing with expanding range over time

[vernal ermine]

Whatever killed the body will have time to eat its share before leaving it to others

[faint folio]

I agree

But see above

This would allow players to return to corpses they've previously killed to scavenge. It would simulate the dinosaur remembering where it stashed its kill, much like wolves and other predators return to the same large kill multiple times to eat when they get hungry

While still giving the original hunter a chance to eat before scavengers start rolling up

[vernal ermine]

So let players instantly remember and smell a corpse they've eaten from, from a distance

while other players will have to wait until the scent reaches them by itself

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message making it impact your weight is literally the same as taking your health ahah

tho i agree with the debuff part, imo starvation should be a slow process, causing debuffs and slowly killing you

if that was the case we could chill little bit with this crazy amount of ai around, or leave only small ai so carnivores can’t overpack and what’s more important they would be forced to hunt to not starve

[faint folio]

Yup. That basically means someone who killed the thing originally will always be able to find it again, and other dinosaurs too if they stumble across it by accident should be able to know about it as well

[lyric agate]

Im sure making nesting necessery to get to elder makes no sense at all, you have to make babies to be big

this isnt the dad lore real life type stuff

[vernal ermine]

Why does it not make sense?

[lyric agate]

tho i know only needing growth rate/diet is bad

[vernal ermine]

Do you even know why nests are important?

[lyric agate]

The Isle is trying to be realistic, do you think dinosaurus back in the day needed to make a family in order to get big and strong?

[vernal ermine]

The isle isn't going for 100% realism you absolute genius of a specimen

[icy lion]

Knock it off

[vernal ermine]

Take into account how dinosaurs even came to existence in the isle universe

Nesting is a part of adulthood, it makes sense

This is more for the gameplay aspect of things. Nests are necessary because we got eggstealers like galli and ovi

if nesting helps eldering, then nesting suddenly booms and becomes very popular

so the ecosystem will be more varied and give ovi/galli more purpose

[lyric agate]

It makes sense to make a nest as it was part of a dinosaur life in their subadult/adult years, the need to have babies was strong but we are humans, this is a game and what if someone doesnt have a friend or cant find anyone to make a nest with? Hes supposed to be worse for not having the luck or friends to make a nest and get to elder?

[vernal ermine]

Eldering is hard. Finding one of your own species at some point is inevitable in this game, but sometimes hard. Good, because eldering is hard

[lyric agate]

It would decrease the amount of Elders drasticly which may or may not be good but at the same time when you think about it, you want to get Elder deino, you catch pray have fun, you want to find a female croc, you find one and it attacks because Deino is canni

and you cant do anything about it because he doesnt know you wanted to nest for elder status

[faint folio]

No of course not. But the isle isn't aiming for realistic. If it were realistic, dilos wouldn't be venomous, Herreras wouldn't climb trees, carnos wouldn't charge with their heads, etc.

Making nesting involved in elder would give adults a reward for nesting though, which would make nesting (and by extension eggs for eating and also spawning players) a lot more common

[vernal ermine]

Eldering is something that is supposed to be hard, according to the devs. The fact that elders are rare due to it being hard is intended

[faint folio]

That is potentially a risk which should be taken. Elders should be rare, even moreso for larger dinosaurs like high midtiers and apexes

[vernal ermine]

Eggstealing is a part of the game, and it requires players to make nests.

Eldering being accessible through nesting will incentivize people to nest more, and give other playables more purpose

If you struggle to find your own species, deal with it. That's also realism

Survive longer, play more, and look for your own species. You will inevitably find your way to a mate eventually

[lyric agate]

Well in that case we would argue infinitely, your idea is good but im not changing my opinion on that, i would rather the requirement being killing another apex or something to be honest but im more of a solo player because my friends play similiar games but hate the Isle so i dont have company realy often

I hope something cool as a requirement will be there tho

[vernal ermine]

Okay so

[vernal ermine]

How do you suggest the game can incentivize players to nest more?

And I do partially agree that it can be unfair to have nesting as a key requirement for eldering, as sometimes you're just prevented by cannis or just can't find someone - or perhaps you want to go solo

But you do agree with me that if nesting at least helps and speeds up unlocking the eldering process, then that's a good thing

Not that you HAVE to nest if you want elder, but that nesting helps

[lyric agate]

Yeah in that case

its a realy good idea and would even include in mine

[vernal ermine]

yeah tbh i agree nesting shouldn't be a MUST to elder, but it should be a big help

[lyric agate]

i dont know if i can call out different games, but theres a dinosaur game in which when dinosaurs have babies, when they are with them and their babies are put in danger [in this case get damaged near a parent or something] parents could get a burst of power ?

Also having your children in your pack could boost you by just a couple % but still would mean something when the pack is made whole out of the family

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message

i mean even with current ai we have giant carnivore mega packs, i wonder what will happen when they add teno ai

hmm lovely 10 adult rexes sustaining themselves with just ai

[limber hull]

why do people want this back

"made it feel more like an ecosystem"

since when lol

"lets hunt teno AI because it's easy food" compared to "let's avoid tenos because they're dangerous" lol

[lilac bolt]

some people want it back with the hope that it is actually improved upon enough to be in the game and not just be basically free food.

[frank tapir]

it sucks even if it isn't easy food

[pliant elm]

Imagine a Teno AI with the 360° and insta attack of the boar xd

[barren crater]

Carno food...

If it has the cooldowns of the playable version it's straight up fodder lol

[tranquil vale]

@mild valve , apologies for not contributing earlier mate. Was half-asleep when I voted on that.

Mainly, I feel like broken stuff in the game right now isn't such an issue because the roster is filling out. I genuinely feel these mutations can be in the game but they need to be tweaked and adjusted. Some heavily more than others. For example the speed buffs should be in game due adapt to certain playstyles to help even the playing field, this can be done by making them more naturally bosted or lowered for different species.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message yeah the bacteria should make you vomit once and then it should not work until you cure the sickness

[junior nymph]

@restive plank catch them in the isle discussion when they chat

but dont private message them I think

or ping them

[compact sequoia]

i really don't understand why cera is still receiving buffs like what are they planning?

anything it can catch no matter the size has no escape

[restive plank]

Oh because I wanna ask them if they can make the isle playable for me with low specs I wanna play evrima

[junior nymph]

people have asked that for years lmao

[restive plank]

So why don't they do it

[limber hull]

a lot easier said than done

the game is inherently detailed, so it's inherently resource intensive

[restive plank]

Could anyone gift me the game please 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[restive plank]

Because I have the direct x 12 issue 😢

And I wanted them to do something about that

Like make I version of evrima which is the same thing but people with the same issue like me can play the game even if it looks ugly

[normal shuttle]

The last one was unintentional lol

And the others, as we have said, were a consequence of carno

[compact sequoia]

carno cant kill cera

lol

it would have to be extremely bad play by cera player

[normal shuttle]

Bruh

Not only it can so you’re completely wrong, but I am talking about balance history

SPIRO CARNO

[compact sequoia]

thats nerfed long ago

[normal shuttle]

That was what led to carno nerfs and cera buffs all over the place

[wintry whale]

@restive plank Please only post feedback in https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120, the devs look through https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120 for said feedback that you provide

[normal shuttle]

And they didn’t nerf what cera got when carno was nerfed into its current size

But hey at least now carno isn’t just a one trick pony

[compact sequoia]

recently cera actually got a silent buff

wonder why ?

[normal shuttle]

Because it wasn’t well implemented

If you are trying to get to a conspiracy theory of devs being biased towards cera, I warn you it’s pointless

Afaik not only it isn’t the favorite of any dev, and on top of that not all devs do the balance changes lol

[compact sequoia]

cera being op cera for a year now is a conspiracy theory

[limber hull]

it really isnt

[normal shuttle]

It’s a fact, not a theory

The reason of it being op being intentional, though, now that’s a conspiracy

[limber hull]

it's like saying hypsi not having climbing for many years now is a conspiracy

it isnt

[compact sequoia]

after a silent buff yeah it is

[frank tapir]

what was the silent buff?

[compact sequoia]

1 step nerf and 2 steps buff

[limber hull]

that didn't answer the question at all

[frank tapir]

do you mean the changes this hordetest? because they weren't silent

[compact sequoia]

cera got a vomit buliding nerf

but got a stability, vomit cure, etc buff

[frank tapir]

that was explicity told to us in the patchnotes

[limber hull]

and none of those buffs were silent lmao

[compact sequoia]

anyways buff to op dino

[limber hull]

(it's also a HT change and we're acting like it's confirmed that cera will just be like this forever and it's so over)

[normal shuttle]

A “silent buff” that did EXACTLY what we asked for to nerf cera. But sadly it was poorly implemented and led to a buff

Buddy, stop

[limber hull]

it was intended to be a rework, you can't expect perfection from that lmao

[normal shuttle]

cera isn’t anyone’s favorite child other than Scanova

[limber hull]

at least give them time to actually adjust the changes

[normal shuttle]

And he has no say in the game’s direction so that should tell you everything

[compact sequoia]

even stego cannot actually escape from cera in official...from a sub adult

[normal shuttle]

Can you understand that mistakes happen?

They did exactly what we asked for

Just with some details that ruined the whole thing

[normal shuttle]

Stego can defend itself

Idk if that was meant to be an argument with any value

[limber hull]

they didn't want to overnerf cera, which accidently made a cera that's too strong

[compact sequoia]

what against vomit?

i killed stegs as a cera just by a bite technically

[normal shuttle]

What against a power swing to the face the moment it lands a bite?

[compact sequoia]

it only needs to bite once

[normal shuttle]

Prfff

[compact sequoia]

thats worst than rex vs stego

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

Actual misinformation

[compact sequoia]

once stego vomits its game over

u can wait out just a bit

[normal shuttle]

Not at all lmao

I’ve literally walked from sp to the start of highlands as stego with 3 ceras harassing me and I didn’t get a single vomit proc

Hell I only got bit once

Ceras can only really give trouble to stego if they are 4-5 coordinated ones

[compact sequoia]

want to see ?

[normal shuttle]

Otherwise it’s pointless because cera is slow, big and it gets one shot

[compact sequoia]

i have a video

[normal shuttle]

Sure thing

I mean if a stego dies to a single vomit proc of cera, it is absolutely the steg’s fault

Still, nerf cera

But any conspiracy about it is absurd

[compact sequoia]

i saw the video , i am unable to find it now but the solo cera killed many fg stegos by vomit trapping them....i learnt from there only how to do it

[compact sequoia]

its becoming one

[normal shuttle]

Trash stegos ngl

Most hits I’ve got fighting ceras 1v1 is 1 hit (the one where they immediately die afterwards)

[normal shuttle]

Not at all

Because cera has been said that it will inevitably fall into obscurity when other carnivores show up

[compact sequoia]

anyways u playing isle now ?

[normal shuttle]

Soon

[compact sequoia]

server ?

[normal shuttle]

Dunno, I mostly play officials or train in deathmatch

Although I have a nice Herrera in petits

[compact sequoia]

i play on eu

[normal shuttle]

Same

[acoustic spruce]

@muted mica hold n

[heady geode]

@spark coral did you know you don’t need to hold down e to get the gastrolith effect? One bite and you’re done for a minute

[frank tapir]

they're saying that the timer doesn't go back to one minute if you hold down, it will end one minute from when you starting to eat it regardless of when you stop

[heady geode]

I see, I don’t have trouble with that because I don’t hold down e for more than a minute lol

I guess if you’re putting a coin on e and walking away it can be an issue

[muted mica]

What does hold N do I thought it helps you see in the dark but since I changed my beta mode it changed so idk

[frank tapir]

n is nesting in the default settings, if you're unpaired you'll do a courting ritual and if you're paired you'll place a nest that you can start building

[junior nymph]

X is night vision

[icy lion]

@gusty flax It is

[gusty flax]

how much faster

[icy lion]

Generally at least twice as fast depending on the species

[silver plank]

Just adding onto my point in general feedback (#general-feedback message) the game is a horror game, its marketed as one and I'm sure the devs still view it as one. It isn't supposed to be a game where you can see what's lurking. Darkness is an inherent feature of the horror genre, the scariest games i know rely of it. The sight of a dinosaur in itself isn't scary, it's the sound of it slowly getting closer and not being able to see it knowing it can see you (this is why dilo as a concept is scary). You shouldn't be able to see everything but it shouldn't get to a point where creatures like dilo are able to see half the map. I found the old night vision to be a lot more visually appealing and in short just scarier.

[hollow flume]

This game is a pvp survival game. It just so happens that surviving in the law of the jungle is quite risky and scary sometimes.

[silver plank]

i totally agree i feel as if it was even more risky and scary with the old nv

ik its not totally a horror game but one of its many genres, it just makes the game alot more immersive

[normal shuttle]

@unreal horizon I love metagaming

[fast terrace]

some of these suggestions are just 'FINISH THE GAME FASTER' 😭

[tired quest]

understandable, ppl get frustrated some times

[normal shuttle]

I remember when someone got mad at me and Mr. Grass and said we hated apexes because we downvoted “add allo and rex into the game already”

[junior nymph]

mr grass

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

We are all AI as one guy said

Because they said diet plants are AI 😭

So every resource you can interact with counts as such now

Trees are AI for Herrera

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

Canni species could use this to feed themselves

@winter geode (there are other negatives but that is one example)

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message bro really removed the downvotes😭

[lilac bolt]

@vernal ermine what information? explain

since they give plenty of info?

[vernal ermine]

is this ironic

[lilac bolt]

no what information aren't they giving us?

@vernal ermine

[vernal ermine]

If you ask a dev what quetz or say mega might weigh, do you agree that the dev you're asking is most certainly going to hide that information?

[woeful latch]

jesus christ dude

[wooden agate]

why would they even have that information yet

"hmm yes i need to know what the stats of megalania, the LEAST prioritized animal, is going to have. surely the devs already have this knowledge."

as if stats are not finalized until the day of release lol

hell TRIKE stats changed from HT release to HT trike release

[lilac bolt]

because not even the devs know something like that because it isn't actually in the game to be balanced and even if they did for whatever reason they would just be placeholder stats that will change?

[woeful latch]

i was typing same exact thing lol, well glad you said it, because my message was little more aggressive

[vernal ermine]

it was an example

[wooden agate]

then it was a really bad one lol

[woeful latch]

very bad example indeed

[vernal ermine]

it's not my fault that your anecdotal opinion is that my example was bad

[wooden agate]

so explain to me why you think they would have the faintest idea of the stats they want for those animals

explain to me why its NOT a bad example lol

because an example should pretty clearly lay out your point

your example just makes your point 10x more ridiculous

[woeful latch]

i think you know absolutely nothing about how game development works, that’s funny tho

[wooden agate]

if we arent getting information, either a) they literally dont have the information yet, or b) it can change on the drop of a hat so why say anything until its almost 100% for sure happening?

thats the entire reason we have the ETA rule

people hear something a dev says, misconstruct their words, and it leads to community hellfires being raised because the devs were wrong 2 years ago about a mechanic they began work on 6 months ago

[lilac bolt]

give us another example then. what other information do you personally think they are holding from us because i've got nothing

[lilac bolt]

exactly

[wooden agate]

idk why the first assumption is always that the devs want to hide things from us or that they're doing it maliciously

[vernal ermine]

A: I never said anything about it being malicious, I'm saying it should be stopped

[wooden agate]

you're asking them to stop doing something they literally arent doing though

"stop hiding information from us!"
"we're not?"
"... stop hiding information from us!"

[vernal ermine]

They obviously have an estimate for what quetz should weigh, in their eyes.
but they won't give info on it if you ask

They obviously know what they're going to work on after allo & kentro. but they won't tell you if you ask

[wooden agate]

yes its called baryonyx

which we know about

it seems like you're referencing the "list" they've mentioned a couple of times before and my question is; why on gods green earth would they make any of that public

"YOU SAID MINMI WAS AFTER ALBERTO! WHY IS QUETZ COMING AFTER ALBERTO INSTEAD" all because one animal was easier to work on than others lol

[vernal ermine]

alright let me rephrase it for you so you can comprehend it

If you ask what they're going to work on after what we know they're going to work on, they won't say

[wooden agate]

and you cant even say that wouldn't happen because it already has

[wooden agate]

so once again

why WOULD they tell you when plans can change at the drop of a hat?

thats exactly what happened with oviraptor on the last roadmap we got lol

[vernal ermine]

"Hey Islanders,
Subject to change, after X we will likely work on B"

[wooden agate]

they had a plan, were sure of said plan, published a roadmap with plan, and then had to diverge from plan

and then people threw hissy fits, because thats what they do

[wooden agate]

they did this when maia overtook rex and half the community still freaked out lol

and of course, who can forget the camera change

[vernal ermine]

(My assumption is that you won't do it)

Okay, show me where they did that, and specified that it was subject to change.

[wooden agate]

dondi COULD NOT have been clearer in mentioning it was a prototype, its heavily WIP, its not complete, no where near final version, etc

and then we had the camera change drama

[vernal ermine]

Assumption confirmed

[wooden agate]

can you be patient for less than 1 minute or is that asking a bit much

god forbid i dont drop what im typing to follow a command lol

but i really like how we got into assumptions, so lets continue to do that

you assume the devs are withholding information from us, or too much information and yet we know pretty much everything thats being worked on right now up to baryonyx. anything after baryonyx is unknown because they are not 100% sure the placement of those animals will stay there.

you assume the devs will butcher pteranodon flight via the rework despite there being no evidence of that

and now theres a third one!!

[lilac bolt]

oh wait did you here that ovi is going to start on production soon?

[wooden agate]

yes i saw my boy

[lilac bolt]

[wooden agate]

still think it's a little too early for him but nesting could be heavily effected by elders so

[lilac bolt]

yeah possibly. hopefully sometime this year

[vernal ermine]

If the devs aren't holding away information, why do I have so many upvotes? People feel the same thing

[wooden agate]

if the devs are holding away information, why do you have so many downvotes? people feel the opposite way

[vernal ermine]

It's a clear 5050

The downvotes consist of people who won't want to bring necessary criticizm

[wooden agate]

but you're criticizing a problem you made up in your head lol

you've functionally gaslit yourself into believing they're withholding information when theyre just not

with the history of this community, i can 100% see the apprehension behind saying ANYTHING im not 100000% sure of

and they themselves have said this is a big issue and is part of the reason they dont mention alot of stuff they're not absolutely 100% sure on

once again, camera change

[lilac bolt]

once again what information? you haven't gave a single example that doesn't have a clear reason behind it.

seriously

[vernal ermine]

I have, weights of creatures for example
I can list some more if you ask for it

[lilac bolt]

i- are you serious? you seriously expect the devs to give us placeholder information that will very very likely change for things that aren't even in active development?

[wooden agate]

that was his first example yah

[wooden agate]

camera change

[vernal ermine]

(replying to gray

[cyan flame]

What if they haven't decided upon the numbers as of yet? Considering how things can change from one patch to another...

[lilac bolt]

what reason would the devs have to tell us stuff like that?

[cyan flame]

Also it's a good thing they don't decide, or we'd have... well, very interesting matchups, for those of us that recall how things worked when stego was first introduced

[wooden agate]

im sure the devs loved recieving death threats over showing off/giving us early information about prototypes

they should do it more!

[lilac bolt]

yeah good idea

[vernal ermine]

Do you have proof of that happening?

[wooden agate]

surprisingly the reddit deleted most of the stuff that went "too far" in their eyes during that whole situation

[vernal ermine]

I see. So they started not doing that as much anymore? After that incident

[wooden agate]

which i mean... makes sense

discord going haywire over camera changes and people being banned left and right for spreading misinfo

reddit going crazy and banning people left and right for trying to explain the actual issue

[wooden agate]

theyve started up a little bit more but there were 3-4 months where our only dev interaction was devblogs and the ocassional kissen pop-in

but i also remember being in #isle-discussion that day and every 3 minutes you'd have someone getting sniped for trying to say slurs, spam ping devs, or generally just saying uh... not so nice things 💀

[lilac bolt]

yeah unfortunately some people in the community love throwing misinformation around and i feel like if they started saying placeholder stats misinformation about the stats would be thrown around like with what happened with the camera.

[vernal ermine]

so all in all, they started talking less about prototypes because of the threats etc? makes sense

[lilac bolt]

i still don't get the reason behind us knowing stuff like placeholder information since what does it actually aid in us knowing about the playable if its just going to be changed?

[vernal ermine]

still lost, can you confirm/deny

[wooden agate]

for the most part, yah

we get less information nowadays but its (generally) more impactful information

or information thats closer to release basically

[lilac bolt]

barion can you explain why you would want to know stuff like that?

[vernal ermine]

Which means you agree they hold back info on unfinished playables then. Really, that's my entire point

[vernal ermine]

responding to that

[wooden agate]

a) stats are some of the last things decided for a playable, usually occuring right before their HT (and even changing in said HT)

b) why would you want information thats going to be wrong anyway

as for anything else, i literally dont know what you could be referring to.

and dont say "well whats next after bary" because we just learned ovi is back in active production today lol

its like asking someone what they'll eat for dinner that day vs a week from now

i have chicken patties in the oven so im eating chicken sandwiches today, but why would i even try to guess what im going to eat for dinner next week when i only have a base for what i might want

thats not me restricting information from you, its me having genuinely no idea what will happen because things change 24/7 lol

i wonder if part of the issue comes from people seeing a skin or model in the devblogs and assuming that means the team is hard at work on that animal lol

because i really have no idea how you could expect stats for an animal that hasnt even entered active development and wont for a bit longer lol

[acoustic spruce]

Oh my bad I meant hold Q to smell food

It’s better when you have good diet or are adult

[junior nymph]

@urban zodiac letting you know spawning with friends is in the HT same with some new biomes/areas. They also have increased player caps on HT but I disagree with a arena area and a map.

since its a survival game not a battle royal

I also remember dondi saying they might implement a map later down the line

[acoustic spruce]

At least make ovi between Herrera and Omni’s

[vernal ermine]

he said that?

[urban zodiac]

whats HT lol, also just some ideas for end game content. as in many survival games after you reach end game you want something to unlock where you can compete with others that have come this far.

[junior nymph]

yeah on a stream last I recall

[junior nymph]

horde test

its a public test branch

[urban zodiac]

oh right right, also why is there soo many diffferent branches? like why not make it one game with all them combined?

[lilac bolt]

something like a map not just a 2d page iirc

[junior nymph]

isnt it going to be some sort of scent map?

[lilac bolt]

something like that? one sec

[lilac bolt]

@vernal ermine did you read this?

[lilac bolt]

#isle-discussion message from how dondi described it yeah

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message Glad to see im not the only one with that issue

[vernal ermine]

@waxen badge Hi. Interesting

What should hatchlings get rewarded with upon getting nested then? If not mutations

[waxen badge]

Nothing, why would they get rewarded for getting lucky and grabbing an egg?

ORRRR make the mutations purely cosmetic

[vernal ermine]

@rugged plaza don't join. let me have this

[waxen badge]

Because as of current there is nothing special about that apart from being combat/survival upgrades that any species can get

[rugged plaza]

Even less people would nest/be nested

[rugged plaza]

Um. Who do you think you are?

[vernal ermine]

If they don't get rewarded, why would they want to be nested?

What would motivate them

[vernal ermine]

Did not mean to upset you. No offense, you just seem to insert yourself into my conversations quite often.
Again no harm meant

[waxen badge]

The experience should be the motivation, and the game doesn't fully deliver on that solid experience

I feel less and less immersed in the game the me more I play

[rugged plaza]

Ok. If once = quite often to you

[waxen badge]

It just feels more PVP centered.

[vernal ermine]

But Antar.

You know when you get nested, it takes a bit longer for you to grow.

If the game doesn't reward you for it, then why would you do it?

[waxen badge]

The parents should be the ones providing you with perfect diet to grow faster and have an easier start

Thats the whole Idea of making a nest

[vernal ermine]

Yeah but it will take longer either way

like in total, than if you spawn as juvie

[waxen badge]

Okay, but say we keep it the same as it is now you just get more OP gen2's since they can have 6 mutations for doing nothing. They didn't really earnt he first 3 and the rest are just earned by staying alive in a game that hand feeds you to grow

It's not hard to grow anymore

[vernal ermine]

Okay I see.
But now, think about the playerbase.

Don't you think that people will end up nesting way less, if they don't get benefits?

[waxen badge]

Despite the time you'd be required to invest the growth process is made wayyy to easy right now

[waxen badge]

No, nests are already still quite rare anyways. I think nesting should benefit the parents in some way rather than give the babies an extremely easy start, which they already get without mutations added.

[vernal ermine]

Nesting became way more common after mutations tho.

So if they go back to being without mutations, they'll be as uncommon as they were before

[waxen badge]

You know why? Its for the PVP reason mostly

I only ever want to be nested if I get good combat mutations

[vernal ermine]

Well mutations just help you survive. It's the player that chooses if they want to use it for KOSing/excessive PVPing or not

[waxen badge]

I'd rather it be rare than broken

[waxen badge]

Well, you kinda need a speed mutation at all times

No matter what species you play now

Congenital also helps because why not reduce your damage taken

[rugged plaza]

I think the problematic mutations being removed solves the issue you’re describing rather than nuking all of them

[vernal ermine]

I agree some mutations are a bit broken.

But what do you suggest we can do for nests to be more common? if not mutations

[waxen badge]

I mean why not make it harder for a dilo to hunt you as a pachy when you're the prey and its your predator

[waxen badge]

I swear I had more fun before mutations got added, and I know its selfish but its true

[vernal ermine]

What do you suggest they add for nesting if not mutations, which can motivate people to nest?

because as of now, the only motivators are RP (for weirdos.) and mutations

[waxen badge]

Well either rework mutations altogether or make it something cosmetic or have boosted traits for being nested

[vernal ermine]

I hate when I get nested and see people talking about "go to your dad"

[waxen badge]

Like something on top of perfect diet benefits

[vernal ermine]

boosted traits? elaborate

[rugged plaza]

I think mutations as a concept are great but the execution was meh

[waxen badge]

Like for example if you get nested in you can have Higher %s on your perfect diet benefits (if parents have good diet)

[waxen badge]

Agreed

[rugged plaza]

That’s kinda like tearing a hole in you shirt because you get the benefit of sewing it back together..

You start out smaller and get a better growth boost

[waxen badge]

Kinda but for the isle this doesnt always apply

[waxen badge]

You get better %s on other things I meant like more regen/stam management...

HP regen increase can be higher

I have no issue with these being the benefits of nesting

Not mutation format though

[rugged plaza]

I feel like that would be good as a seasoning to a bigger benefit

Instead of the only one

Like “increased diet benefits when grouped with siblings”

[waxen badge]

I also mentioned cosmetic changes, like bigger horns for nested trikes, or bigger horns for carno, more plumage for austro...

[rugged plaza]

Blood bond or something

[waxen badge]

Stuff that doesnt affect the games balance

[rugged plaza]

That’s a good idea

[waxen badge]

Maybe yeah

[waxen badge]

Something that can be lost if not maintained

Gives it more value

[rugged plaza]

Ooh I’ve just gotten an idea I feel like grug from the crowds

[waxen badge]

🤣

[rugged plaza]

What if all players start out with a random selection of 1 color for every region? Example: your first time playing carno you have only 1 male display, one body color, etc. the only way to unlock new colors would be to inherit them from parents. This wouldn’t work if everyone started with the default skin cause you’d only be able to inherit other people’s defaults yk, that’s why I say start with random palette.

[waxen badge]

I dont mind this idea since it correlates with something I've thought about, pattern unlocks

[rugged plaza]

And then the colors you inherit throughout your many carno lives could be unlocked in the skin creator to use further on

[waxen badge]

Where players need to accomplish nesting requrements to get new patterns

[waxen badge]

Could have very special colors for achieving certain feats in previous lives

For surviving situations/encounters or keeping your old dino well-maintained

[rugged plaza]

Ooh for pattern unlocks I once had the idea that specking into one type of mutation would change your pattern, so people don’t know your exact mutations but they know what kind you have. Like your skin changing to pattern c if you chose mainly combat mutations

[waxen badge]

Hmm, that could be nice

[rugged plaza]

So you have a better idea of what your opponent is made of

[waxen badge]

But it still won't prevent you from getting outran by someone who pressed a button

[rugged plaza]

True. Like I mentioned before all the problematic mutations should just be removed

[waxen badge]

And if that happens your previous idea won't hold as much value and if anything will just ruin the skins that the players intended on having

[rugged plaza]

And all of the barely usable ones need serious buffs

[rugged plaza]

There’s plenty of ways to implement combat mutations that aren’t game-breaking

And still worth getting

Example being congenital

[waxen badge]

I don't think combat mutations are good period.

If there's a need for them that means the game's stat balancing is a bit off

[rugged plaza]

Well, it is a survival game and combat is part of survival

[waxen badge]

They should just increase speed across the board and adjust dmg values for certain matchups

Or creatures that need a durability increase/decrease

[rugged plaza]

There’s always going to be a desire to make that part of the game easier

[waxen badge]

Well, the game can teach you play smarter by just existing as it is without mutations

Thats the big reason I loved the game to begin with

[rugged plaza]

And combat mutations won’t be so meta if the other types of mutations like mobility or survival are made worth it enough that in order to specialize into combat players have to sacrifice other abilities and buffs that herd get out of a survival mutation

[waxen badge]

Mobility is part of combat

[rugged plaza]

Sort of yes, but if you spec all into movement then you can’t spec all into damage

It’s one or the other is my point

And if your skin changed based on mutations than people would know a rough idea of how to fight you or interact with you

Take beasts of Bermuda for example

[waxen badge]

I don't think it would change much tbh

If you know a dino's turn radius and its dmg output you can know whether to avoid it or hunt it

Mutations don't play much of a role in that

The only thing that makes the gamechanging combat is the speed, dmg reduction and healing mutations

The moveset a dino has almost doesnt matter either, just having stun attacks isnt that special if you can't use them effectively

That brings me to the pachy, where stunning a carno out of its ram does nothing to save you from taking damage regardless

Its almost pointless to parry a ram since you take double damage from doing that as opposed to just trying to dodge and wieve

[rugged plaza]

They really do imo. The base stats of the dinosaur are still there, just certain parts are emphasized based on the customizations the dino has earned through its life. Fighting a Maia as an Omni is going to be roughly the same whether it specs into something like stamina vs something like bleed resistance, but slight changes to strategy might have to be made based on which it has. Maybe if you’re hunting a herd you’ll go after ones that are less suited for countering you. Mutations have a lot of potential to give depth to player interaction and behavior and just because it’s being a little airballed right now doesn’t mean we should be discouraged from them altogether

[waxen badge]

Okay make the mutations really earned rather than just giving us options to choose from

[rugged plaza]

They are earned by growing

It should be a little harder to grow though

[waxen badge]

Because lets say you earn bleed resistance from surviving multiple omni attacks, that could be more valuable than just pressing a button to get it

[waxen badge]

Placing everything on growth is a very linear way to think about mutations

[waxen badge]

I agree

[rugged plaza]

And I think more mutations should be slot-specific. Maybe even this way: choosing some sort of combat mutation as your first means you can only chose from combat mutations later

[waxen badge]

I think slots should be removed entirely or sorted out differently

Mutations that you EARN can be displayed under status report and I guarantee it'd be way more convenient for the playerbase

[rugged plaza]

That would also be nice

[waxen badge]

There should be limits ofc but the game can tell you what those are in a tutorial type of way like the ones they plan to make

[rugged plaza]

Like you receive the mutation as soon as you earn it

[waxen badge]

Yes

You do something in game, and based on what you do you get the mutation for it

[rugged plaza]

That’s a nice alternative

[waxen badge]

I wouldnt be opposed to negative mutations either

[rugged plaza]

Like cannibalism leading to a bad one?

[waxen badge]

Like debuffs if you do too much wrong with caring for your dino

[waxen badge]

No

[rugged plaza]

Someone once mentioned cursed or faulty mutations

[waxen badge]

No I'm thinking something like what glass bones is right now

Under status report

[rugged plaza]

I think either earning the ability to eat your own kind (positive) or receiving a negative mutation for it would be fair

[rugged plaza]

Like letting it starve?

[waxen badge]

Lets say your dino sustains an insane amount of damage but manages to survive, it should be weaker for a certain duration after full healing

[waxen badge]

That has its own consequence

[rugged plaza]

Getting flashbacks from when I’d play pou on my iPad and starve him xD

[rugged plaza]

True. What do you suggest then

[rugged plaza]

Well, isn’t the punishment for getting all that damage the healing process itself?

[waxen badge]

Another example would be to add grooming activities that are dino specific and failing to do those can affect your offspring

Even youself

[rugged plaza]

And the fact that you have no hp

[rugged plaza]

That’d be nice as long as it wasn’t too demanding or tedious

[waxen badge]

Yeah but healing doesnt really that THAT long for most dinos at least, I think forcing you to play safe after healing is better that way people can't be hyper agressive all the time

Would suit herbivores a lot

Since they're too easy to be agro on rn

Maybe even make it a more herbi exclusive debuff

[rugged plaza]

I don’t see an issue with herbivores being aggressive. It’s a viable strategy to ensure your own survival by getting rid of predators

Even if it’s done out of boredom it has the same benefits

[waxen badge]

Yeah but is it fair that a teno can outstam an omni that is actively trying to escape it?

Omni also has terrible stamina for running as it stands currently

[waxen badge]

Yeah but that's all its good for

[rugged plaza]

Well if teno can out stam Omni that’s less of an aggressive herbivore issue and more of a stat issue

[waxen badge]

And when theres no one to kill theres nothing to do either

That's also a problem

[rugged plaza]

Yeah, but albeit a separate one

[waxen badge]

Yeah by changing stats you can change people's playstyles to suit what they're supposed to be

[rugged plaza]

The Omni is also completely capable of hiding cause herbivores can’t track

They don’t come equipped with the tools to hunt carnivores down. They have the tools to defend themselves

[waxen badge]

Omni is supposed to be this very agile hunter with good mobility and athleticism but its comes off as a burst of energy then instantly weak playable that isnt worth it 9/10 if you're not playing in a minimum of 6 omnis

[waxen badge]

I've tracked bleed countless times on herbis, its not hard

[rugged plaza]

When Omni doesn’t pounce it has pretty good stamina efficiency

[waxen badge]

You walk the carnivore down and find where its hiding

[rugged plaza]

Herbis shouldn’t be able to smell blood imo

[waxen badge]

Even then its still bad

[rugged plaza]

They can also brawl pretty much the entire roster to death with pure agility

[waxen badge]

Agreed to an extent because blood is still something with a separate scent that people should be aware of when entering an area

[rugged plaza]

Very small scent range for it then maybe

[waxen badge]

For example if you smell blood around you as a herbivore then you'll have a good idea of danger being nearby

[waxen badge]

Not really

[rugged plaza]

But there’s other ways you can tell that too, it’s not really ride or die

[waxen badge]

The only things omni can fight solo with no issues are animals smaller than itself, or dilo but even dilo can be tough

But even trying to survive anything else is a nightmare

Carno can solo an entire pack of 8 omnis and so can cerato

[rugged plaza]

Carno, cera (hard), dibble, dilo, teno, pachy, anything pinnable, Maia, all can be solo bitten to death by an Omni

[waxen badge]

I've done it myself

[rugged plaza]

A pack of 8 dumb ones

[waxen badge]

They dont need to be dumb to get camped on a tree/water/mud to get killed

Just means their adversaries know how the game works

[rugged plaza]

What do you mean camped on to death? If something is trying to camp against you the only way it kills you is if you decide to keep hunting it while at a disadvantage

[rugged plaza]

Lmao

[vernal ermine]

How many hours do you have on this game Antar? Ya galbi

[waxen badge]

1500

In 1 year and 3 months

[vernal ermine]

Can you provide a screenshot ?

[waxen badge]

Sure

[vernal ermine]

Can you include the time? should be bottom right

[waxen badge]

Yeah its there

[vernal ermine]

No no. The time

[rugged plaza]

💀

[waxen badge]

PLAY TIME
1,504.9 hours

[vernal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/time-flies-so-fast-clock-gif-3980834349833773723

This type of time

[rugged plaza]

Why would you need to know that

[waxen badge]

Okay I'm lost now

[rugged plaza]

The time of day

[waxen badge]

Today?

[vernal ermine]

Stop

[waxen badge]

Like what my timezeone is?

[barren crater]

no shot 😭 even if you camp they'll win the trade battle

[vernal ermine]

Time zone, time offset, time band, time region, time sector, time division, time standard, clock zone, hour zone.

THE TIME right now as of now in the screenshot

but included in the screenshot

[waxen badge]

Idk if ive done it twice now...

[pliant elm]

Bro, why do you need this?

[waxen badge]

Bro I took the shot just now

[rugged plaza]

Like 😭

[barren crater]

Damn. I need to face those raptors

[waxen badge]

Bird can even confirm its true

[vernal ermine]

here.
include this in your screenshot

[waxen badge]

Real

[rugged plaza]

Honestly atp I wouldn’t include it just out of spite

[waxen badge]

I quite honestly don't feel the need to since 1500 hours is already a lot either way

[vernal ermine]

Antar

[barren crater]

Wait why do you need it?

[waxen badge]

Thats a lot of hours my man

[rugged plaza]

Right

[vernal ermine]

You know exactly why i need it

[rugged plaza]

I ain’t even been alive that long

[vernal ermine]

I don't think that's his

[rugged plaza]

Do you need his ID in the photo too?

[vernal ermine]

Just the time.

[barren crater]

I can confirm it is his lol

[rugged plaza]

Ah ok

[vernal ermine]

I even found the screenshot familiar

[pliant elm]

I think he wants this to show that it is not a fake print

[vernal ermine]

the time would help me accept the fact that he somehow has 1500h. please and thank you

[waxen badge]

I find many things familiar since all the isle steam pages look the same

[rugged plaza]

He’s been in the server since 2017 idk how you find that surprising

[waxen badge]

I do, I play the game A LOT

[vernal ermine]

the fact that he acted like he didn't know what i meant even adds to my suspicion

[waxen badge]

That's why I can talk to you about these topics

[vernal ermine]

antar would you make a new screenshot that includes the time?

[waxen badge]

I can let my game experience give you the answers you are looking for.

[pliant elm]

Even though it takes all these hours, saying this is a bit of an exaggeration and quite dubious

[waxen badge]

If I play like someone with 1500 hours then thats all you need

[vernal ermine]

Alright, I'll say it.
I don't believe you have 1500h

https://tenor.com/view/streeter-elbow-gif-20363671

[barren crater]

[waxen badge]

I've done it before, its definitely possible

[rugged plaza]

1500 hrs since 2017 = 30 mins a day and considering that people play the game way longer than that in one session because growing and whatnot that is perfectly reasonable

[waxen badge]

^^^^

[waxen badge]

I got the game in january of 2024

[vernal ermine]

You probably told someone to change their nickname to ntar

[limber hull]

jesus christ

[rugged plaza]

Just assuming you had it since your join date

Didn’t really know

[pliant elm]

Well, for a solo Carno to be able to go against 8 omnis, these omnis have to be playing with the monitor turned off

[lilac bolt]

what?

[vernal ermine]

Seeing your name not be gray anymore is unnatural

[waxen badge]

In 5 minutes?

[rugged plaza]

Rage bait 💔

[vernal ermine]

Not ragebait, just denial. I admit I was wrrong but his experience does not add up with his hours

[barren crater]

1.5k hours is a lot lol

[waxen badge]

I've taken on 6 omnis as carno on norden and won cinsistently

[barren crater]

You can learn anything in this game with that much time

[rugged plaza]

Hey man maybe he’s just a good carno

[vernal ermine]

I mean his gamesense

The gamesense doesn't add up with the hours

[waxen badge]

Its a fairly easy game to learn once you get into the specifics of combat

And statistics

[pliant elm]

Even a good Carno has difficulty with 3 omnis that know how to play, imagine 8 xd

[rugged plaza]

🤷‍♀️

[barren crater]

I believe it tbh. Some raptors are terrible

[waxen badge]

Most raptors on officials dont know how to play period

[rugged plaza]

Even the best Omni in the world is beaten by a tree it’s not that unbelievable

[barren crater]

^ i've faced many packs that quite literally don't learn that fact lol

[pliant elm]

Official? Then it makes sense

[barren crater]

Like they'd see 5 of their team mates get knocked and they'll still pounce

This game is like 90% knowledge

[rugged plaza]

Right and most chose to continue fighting even when they’ve lost half they’re pack

[waxen badge]

Yeah

[pliant elm]

Official server players are really bad, so it makes sense now

[rugged plaza]

antar do you have a vid where you kill a load of raptors?

I feel like I’ve watched one

[barren crater]

I mean unofficial ones are equally as bad or worse in my experience

Usually don't know any of the features like bucking

[rugged plaza]

Well usually they don’t have the option of being cuddled until they make it to adulthood so that weeds out a few

[rugged plaza]

They’re better off if they don’t anyways lol

With the way bucking is now

[pliant elm]

I'm not saying there aren't any bad players on the unofficial, but the official servers are full of them

[barren crater]

nah not when in the open. It's Trees > bucking > no bucking

Many of them just stand still and alt attack lol

[waxen badge]

I've killed 6 omnis and died on my most recent video with carno, I wasnt full grown and lacked the benefits of having the required speed and bleed resistance to survive the encounter in a cleaner way. I wanted to test carno's limits and got my answer

[rugged plaza]

Bucking doesn’t knock them off in time to keep them from doing the job and it nukes your stamina to the point where they can pin you

[waxen badge]

You need to be full grown as carno to kill 8 omnis with any chances of surviving it

[waxen badge]

I agree

[rugged plaza]

Yeah I seen that one. The bleed is what gets you usually but most Omnis don’t know that they can kill you very fast with damage pounces

[waxen badge]

Bucking is pointless in most cases

[barren crater]

Beats taking insane bleed or damage and dying shortly after though. Not that bucking is a good option. It's objectively better than standing still and spamming alt attacks

[rugged plaza]

Honestly standing still while being pounced is best if they can’t pin you outright because you can let gem drain their stamina and you keep yours and you can run them down

[waxen badge]

I know many people on norden that can testify to the fact that I have soloed packs of omnis on there as carno

Its not as realistic as officials

But its still a good measure

[rugged plaza]

Right, it’s not that unusual

[silk vine]

what is good guys

[barren crater]

Depends on the creature tbf. Some die outright

Regardless they were clearly not good players lol

[silk vine]

prob

[rugged plaza]

There’s also 101 factors that can change the fight so it isn’t always just “oh there’s no possible way statistically that 1 carno can kill 8 Omnis and survive”

[silk vine]

what about 102

[waxen badge]

I mean you almost never wanna stand still in a fight honestly

[rugged plaza]

Yeah, the even better option is to use the pouncing Omni as a shield

[silk vine]

I agree with you on that one pal

[barren crater]

Yeah and that's what they were doing lol. They could have ran to a tree but decided that spamming directional attacks was a good idea

[waxen badge]

Hey, btw maiam how many hours do you have on isle?

[tepid hornet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/923153791212208128/1035749375881789571/unknown-3.gif

[rugged plaza]

🤫

[silk vine]

Great question pal i like this one