general-feedback-discussion

[narrow nova]

stagger resist only happen when you want to kill cerato as teno and carno.and both can easily run from cerato.

[woeful latch]

wait do teno kicks still stagger cera?

wanted to fight one but couldn’t find it sadly

[narrow nova]

When full charge no

[barren crater]

it does. I just couldn't be bothered listing which abilities can't stagger/knock

[woeful latch]

okay ty

wait who do i trust lol, i got different answers

[limber hull]

trust the guy who actually played it

[barren crater]

😭

[woeful latch]

TRUE LOL

[limber hull]

lmao

[woeful latch]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[barren crater]

I was on a body buff with charge bite and the teno still staggered me with tail slam

[woeful latch]

well with working kicks i can still kick cera ass i guess, i’ll figure something out…

[barren crater]

I wasn't fg though. 1.2t~

[woeful latch]

hm

i wonder if there’s enough time for teno to tail slam stagger and then kick

[barren crater]

No point

[woeful latch]

hm why?

[barren crater]

Depends where you land it tbf

[narrow nova]

So what does stability work？Trike which slightly lighter than me can't Stagger me.

[narrow nova]

When I full charge

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/little-bean-sprout-chinese-street-cat-chinesebeansprout-littlebeansprout-streetcat-gif-6027708881931372483

[narrow nova]

1t Trike should Stagger cerato,but it didn't when cerato full charge.

[barren crater]

Kouga vid?

[narrow nova]

I tried with my friend.

If it doesn't work,what's that stability mean？

[barren crater]

Not sure what's up with trike.

[narrow nova]

Maybe they...nerfed Trike？

[normal shuttle]

not really

it's still a great hunter and brawler

you can just cancel your bite to keep running before the speed reduction appears and just immediately go back to max damage charge in an instant

and stability buff means teno tail slam is useless against ceras now, which would be fine if they moved slower always as they charge bite

[narrow nova]

So if teno still Stagger and knockdown cerato,could anyone tell me how 1.25x stability work？

[narrow nova]

They say tail slam still work.

[normal shuttle]

basically when you hold rmb as cera in HT the game registers you as if you had 25% more weight, meaning that you are outside the knockdown range for teno

affects all cc moves

[limber hull]

more likely trike is just bad atm lol

[normal shuttle]

it doesn't knockdown unless they are not charge biting

ceras can just rmb hold on reaction and prevent a knockdown if needed

and they have higher dps now

so yeah, the idea is good but it's kind of a mess

you can't get knocked down by tenos or maias anymore

also 1 ton carnos can't charge you I think

and then 1.3t dibbles cant knockdown and 700 ones dont stun

it's crazy, and it applies instantly with rmb, unlike the speed nerf, which is dumb

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message the bonus is fine imho, the speed reduction just needs to happen sooner (when it starts charging preferably)

[limber hull]

agreed

i think going after the stability is just hitting the wrong thing

[woeful latch]

i agree

if the speed reduction is instant then i’m fine with changes

[woeful latch]

i mean either that removed or something else changed, can’t keep everything..

[woven bane]

i was honestly excited to try the new cerato, only for the changes to be an indirect buff lol

[pliant elm]

Yes, this can be good too. The changes are in the right direction, but the devs made the nerfs very weak as opposed to the buffs which are "good"

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message lol

[woeful latch]

yo…

[urban flax]

@narrow nova You mean give it a defense buff around bodies, immunity to bleed, a charged bite and the ability to make its opponents puke ?

[woeful latch]

the stam for holding the tail probably

and that would be horrible

[narrow nova]

no, I mean hold RMB change. cost stamina, stability, maybe can prevent rex pin.

why not buff stego,if you think it's a buff

[limber hull]

stability buff not that bad an idea, but stego already costs more than enough stamina with powerswing

[narrow nova]

maybe let attake cost less and add stamina cost over time.i also think 15% and 10% cost is kinda huge.

You can release RMB at any time. it's up to you. and that stamina cost is as less as cerato.

[normal shuttle]

What????

Preventing the pin from a rex?

[narrow nova]

If you think the changes in Cerato have made it stronger, why not let Stego also have it.Or do you actually just want Stego to have advantages and avoid nerf

[narrow nova]

that is what many player ask for several weaks ago

[normal shuttle]

Or why not quit any weird maneuver and refine the balance changes on cera

[narrow nova]

let stego have ability to fight rex

[normal shuttle]

Oh you were talking about stego

Sorry I thought you meant CERA and that sounded absurd

Either way I highly doubt stego is getting pinned by rex

[narrow nova]

that's almost no doubt,Dondi said stego better run from rex , because rex can knock it down.

[normal shuttle]

Bruh

That’s nonsense

[narrow nova]

so maybe give it some stability?

[normal shuttle]

“It better run” but it is slower

[narrow nova]

yep

[normal shuttle]

And stego kills rex in the same amount of bites rex would kill stego

[narrow nova]

so you can avoid it by do some change to stego like cerato

[normal shuttle]

I guess rex could stun it with a headbutt, but eh

[normal shuttle]

We will see when rex comes out

I might grow a stego exclusively to fight rexes

[narrow nova]

how heavy do you think Para is

[normal shuttle]

Judging the model we’ve been shown

[narrow nova]

rex can pin para

[normal shuttle]

Around 6 full grown

[normal shuttle]

You can also hard code para to be more pinnable

Or the opposite

And make stego innately resistant to pins

Galli can be pinned by lighter Omnis, so why not the other way around for stego

[narrow nova]

I think my idea is better, it makes the game more vivid, rather than simply stopping you from doing it

[normal shuttle]

But it’s just ridiculous to think that stego after 5 hours growing it’s gonna get all its agency taken away by one button press

[normal shuttle]

What idea? Letting rex pin stego?

[narrow nova]

no,let stego hold RMB to prevent pin.

[normal shuttle]

Nah

Just don’t let it be pinned in the first place

Rex doesn’t even need that. It has more than enough damage and can get the advantage with an ambush

[narrow nova]

kinda whimsical

[normal shuttle]

Oh? Is it whimsical to expect the ambush predator to sneak up on someone to get the edge?

And especially when that someone is an adult stegosaurus

[narrow nova]

let's see after rex release.I don't want to discuss if stego can be pin anymore.

[normal shuttle]

Logically impossible

[narrow nova]

any way ,you know how long a trike grow in hordtesting now?

[normal shuttle]

But yeah we will see. I wanna try the stego POV if the ping isn’t abysmal

[narrow nova]

15 hours with 100% buff

which mean rex could be same

[bronze niche]

rex shouldnt be able to pin stego in a 1v1 but if rex gets the ambush it should be able to kill stego with the pin

[normal shuttle]

Yes, I was one of the pioneers in fact lol

Around 16 hours 100% diet

[normal shuttle]

What do you mean killing it with the pin? How do you determine it was an ambush? Better to just not let it, crush is gonna do a lot of damage anyway

[narrow nova]

i dont see it's impossible for a 15 hours creature can pin a 5 hour creature.

[normal shuttle]

Its not a rule of three. Trike isn’t 4 times stronger than dibble

[narrow nova]

and you can find a team mate.

[bronze niche]

how do you determine it was an ambush? it caught it offguard with the murder sprint when they were both really close

[normal shuttle]

And also it is completely unfair and stupid if a Rex could just run up to a stego and pin it just like an omni can pin a herra

[narrow nova]

if you have a team mate your mate can kill rex when rex pin you

[urban flax]

"herd up" argument detected

[bronze niche]

if you got caught by a rex you honestly deserve to die they are slow and very big so youd be extremely dumb to not notice it before then

[normal shuttle]

Okay, so what if I just got the ambush murder sprint in the middle of the fight and pin it

It cannot be something the game can determine

[narrow nova]

In the presence of rex, it is not awkward for Stego to team up for defense。

[bronze niche]

dude i dont know thats for the devs to decide all the balancing

[urban flax]

It is
Stego is the worst candidate for being a herd animal in this game

Even then, an animal that requires a herd to survive a certain encounter is, in this game, by definition unviable

[normal shuttle]

Yeah and I could buy the isle and get tyrannotitan, but we gotta adhere to what we have. The game is NOT balanced around grouping nor it should ever be used as an argument for viability

It’s like saying legacy taco is viable and good because you can have two theris babysitting you

Hell nah, grouping is a terrible argument for balance

[normal shuttle]

So you just like…concede that you cannot really let the game arbitrarily design what was or wasn’t an ambush catching the prey off guard?

[limber hull]

brother rex is faster that's not happening

[narrow nova]

not me said that.

devs said that

[limber hull]

i dont recall them saying anything like that lol

[normal shuttle]

Devs didn’t say that rex could pin an apex that is slower

[narrow nova]

Whatever, we'll find out when Rex comes out

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1318151949803327589/acrocanthosaurus_yapping.gif

[bronze niche]

all im saying is that all you need to do is ideas, and then let the devs figure out the rest when they take it into consideration

[narrow nova]

and devs also said stego have good ability against giga, due to giga dont have good stun ability.

[normal shuttle]

@bronze niche in fact, we very much have what you just said! Now that I recall

If a rex actually tries to sneak up and without the need of pinning gets a hit on a stego with an ambush, you literally are going to be able to do over half of its health bar

Crush was datamined to do 2800 damage. And while that is subject to change, even something like 2500 would mean that on a body shot by surprise, stego loses almost half of its health, and with a headshot it is left at the brink of death with a single well placed crush

So it doesn’t need pinning

It can just be a good player to end things quickly

[narrow nova]

maybe not ,but how could a rex kill a stego harder than a dibble kill a stego.

[bronze niche]

a stego could be at half health with a deino biting it and it would still clap it because of the power swing

[normal shuttle]

Except that deino cannot do 5600 damage with ONE blow

And deino head is fairly easy to hit and it cannot disengage easily

[narrow nova]

A stego better run from a rex, that's true.

[normal shuttle]

No

[narrow nova]

Is it embarrassing to find a teammate to help you deal with Rex?

[limber hull]

it's slower than rex so how is it doing that

[normal shuttle]

It better be aware, it cannot run, but then stego can potentially kill a rex in like 3-4 seconds

[lilac bolt]

and if it can't? it just say's "guess i'll die" or?

[limber hull]

yes, absolutely, because that's what pachy needs to do and pachy is awful

pachy is the exact shining example of why "herd up" doesn't work

[narrow nova]

rex wont have enough stm.

[normal shuttle]

“Just group up bro”

Literally everyone else doesn’t need a group except for pachy and guess what

Pachy is ass, and stego would be as well if it just risks death when existing near a rex

[limber hull]

people don't like to play animals that are garbage and pray they find a friend, they'll just play an animal that's good solo and be fine with or without friends

[normal shuttle]

Neither will you to fight as you get walked down

[limber hull]

it doesn't NEED stamina if it can just catch and kill the stego in one go

[narrow nova]

Unless you're deaf, you'll regret it when it comes to you

[limber hull]

that'll happen regardless of if stego can fight it or not

[narrow nova]

there are always something is ass, it could be stego when rex come out. if you want fight rex, play trike.

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/msdeemena-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-supernatural-frustrated-gif-14503272329759658831

[normal shuttle]

Or if I want to play stego, then it shouldn’t get helplessly pinned by a rex with minimal effort

Is there voice messages here or nah?

Wait no there aren’t, sad

[limber hull]

so what do i do if i wanna play stego and not die to something that's bigger, stronger and faster than me

[narrow nova]

Have you ever considered the situation where exhausted Rex encounters Stego? Does Rex deserve to die?

[normal shuttle]

I will have to do it this way “just don’t play stego bro”🤤

[normal shuttle]

Yes

[narrow nova]

fun

[limber hull]

yes

if it literally wastes all of its stam and gets into that position, it deserves to die

why did it waste all of its stam into a stego lol

[normal shuttle]

Maybe he shouldn’t have wasted his stamina

Not fun but it is HIS fault

Meanwhile what you are advocating for is to invalidate a playable whenever it exists anywhere close to a rex

Which is so much different

[narrow nova]

that make rex like ass.

[cyan flame]

Yes, because this applies to most reasonable encounters, and sometimes a few less reasonable ones as well

[normal shuttle]

What are you gonna blame the stego for? Not being nested by others? Not playing with friends that have a pc to run the game? picking stego in the character menu?? You blame them for any of that?

“Just play trike bro”

[urban flax]

Dying when you encounter an enemy while out of stam isn't exclusive to rex

[normal shuttle]

No, it makes rex like an apex predator that is terrifying in the right hands, and that only people who have the right hands should play it effectively

[limber hull]

if "wasting all your stam and dying because of it" make an animal ass, i guess

omni, troodon, dilo, herrera, pachy, dibble, ptera, deino, trike, beipi, galli, teno are all ass

my god every animal in the game sucks basically

[narrow nova]

I understand, you just want Rex not to threaten anything, those who can catch up cannot be killed, and those who can be killed cannot be caught up

[normal shuttle]

Every playable save for deino and maybe herra and beipi

[limber hull]

not at all what we're saying but sure

[lilac bolt]

what?

[cyan flame]

No, we're saying stego should be able to somehow survive a rex attack

[normal shuttle]

We never said we want rex to be useless

We only want stego to not be useless solo just like no other playable should be

[lilac bolt]

rex should be strong sure but it shouldn't invalidate an entire creature for just existing

[normal shuttle]

And rex is still a killing machine regardless

[limber hull]

it always baffles me that EVERY animal has an answer to another animal, but when you suggest stego has an answer to rex, that means you want rex to be useless garbage that can't kill anything

[cyan flame]

It's a stego, thus it must be punished

[woeful latch]

you don’t understand, it’s rex, it MUST be unbeatable, because it’s REX ITS REXX!!!

[limber hull]

if a rex catches you, you are dead. No two ways about it. The survival strategy for most creatures is "don't get caught"

Stego is an exception because that doesn't apply, it's too slow to escape, so it needs something else

[normal shuttle]

This is how you’re sounding, but I will extrapolate it to the legacy Allo vs Cera matchup and imagine that you just told me that you want cera to escape allo or even stand a chance fighting since they weren’t that different size wise

“I understand, you just want Allo not to threaten cera, you can’t catch up to it if it is faster or has more stamina or you can’t fight if it become a slightly better brawler with actual bleed resistance”

[limber hull]

honestly? kinda hope rex has zero bleed resist. a weakness to bleed could lead to interesting matchups between animals like theri, stego and giga

[woeful latch]

i agree

it should in fact have bleed weakness

both trike and stego are bleeders and it would be lame to give rex bleed resistance

[limber hull]

nah, this is where we disagree

bleed weakness was lame as hell on carno

it'd be lame as hell here

[normal shuttle]

And as I said above…

Why even make Rex capable of pinning stego???? It’s just a fancier way of doing the exact same thing it would do normally with a good ambush (which is warranted)

2800 crush to the head of the stego, it has 400 health left, even a BM headbutt will do. GG

[woeful latch]

carno was also runner, i doubt rex would need to run as much

and bleed weakness shouldn’t necessarily be super strong

[limber hull]

i just don't like it. 0 bleed res is enough for me

it just makes certain matchups unbearably unfun

[narrow nova]

crush only work on small animal it can lift.

[frank tapir]

how much bleed does stego do compared to its damage?

[normal shuttle]

And well, let’s not talk about 2 damn rexes going for a stego

One headbutts, the other crushes and does half of the health. Fun

[limber hull]

that's... objectively untrue

[narrow nova]

i hope so.

[normal shuttle]

Literally untrue. They said it in the devblog. It has three variants: teething something small against the floor, pinning a medium sized creature, and then doing plain damage to something large

Otherwise what would be the point of this animation?

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-tyrannosaurus-the-isle-gif-2931180460436844099

Or like

[limber hull]

we literally HAVE A VIDEO OF IT PINNING A DIBBLE LOL

It's OBJECTIVELY not the case

[narrow nova]

yep but it cant crush a dibble.because rex cant lift it.

[limber hull]

it's LITERALLY using its crush ability on the dibble

[narrow nova]

what you think is pin and what is crush

[narrow nova]

i mean 2800 damage is crush.

[normal shuttle]

Also this bite. Yeah it sure it grabbing something smaller (SHORTER FORCIBLY) than itself

I can’t find the gif on tenor, but there’s one

Where the rex dashes forward and grabs something at its same height

Crush hurts everything

[narrow nova]

ok i will say 2800 damage is thrash on the ground part.

[normal shuttle]

Crush is the name of the ability. And pinning is one of its applications

[narrow nova]

so is deino grab also crush? they are kinde same.

[limber hull]

no lol

[normal shuttle]

No

Deino is lunge/grab

they just decided to call Rex’s ability Crush

[limber hull]

crush is rex's ability, like how pounce is raptor's

[normal shuttle]

Without any other meaning

Where’s the damn gif….

[narrow nova]

so what about pin, i saw many people use it in many dino's ability

i think if you cant move you are pinned.

[limber hull]

crush can pin things, yes

[normal shuttle]

Pin is the act of pinning something down

Which is something a few creatures can do

Not necessarily an ability, but rather an application from one

[narrow nova]

ok

learned

[normal shuttle]

Good

Now you can also guess why we don’t want rex pinning down a stego, right?

[rotund fractal]

rex shouldnt pinn a steggo thats to op

and steggo is to big

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
30km/hr seems a lil slow for a para ngl

like maia is out here able to run faster than omniraptor

[rotund fractal]

I have stuck to the science but you can do it little bit faster

my main aim was to suggest the auricle as an advantage, how fast it can run is still open to debate

[limber hull]

i'd say MAYBE 35km/hr? Enough for a dibble to not be instant para murder

Given how easily dibble can kill a stego though, I'm not sure

although idk, if a dibble remains facing the para, surely it can win by shielding itself with its face, the same it does with stego

[rotund fractal]

Yeah thats true, I add some sentences on my Idea, that Speed can be changed for balancing and more fairness ingame

its a point where we can deiscuss about it but yeah Para should be a fast Dino

[limber hull]

it should be fast compared to everything else its size

30km/hr is only a little bit faster than stego, it just doesn't really feel... Fast for its size

[rotund fractal]

yeah thats true maybe minimum so fast like maia

and I hope good colors for Para, not like maia where have to less colors in my opinion

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @maiden anvil the para haters have fallen!

[woeful latch]

@maiden anvil

https://tenor.com/view/oi-gif-20749371

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

bro think this PoT

[normal shuttle]

@lyric pollen if you can’t kill something in 60 seconds of sustained damage, then it is likely something you shouldn’t be trying to kill at all

Awake or sleeping

[cyan flame]

@lyric pollen And where would you draw the line for the damage, should a few troodons be able to kill a trike that is trying to log? Or should it be higher requirements? If so, at some point it's not needed anyway.

[rotund fractal]

@normal shuttle I just see now that you do a sugsestion with a para for example xD What a coincidence that I am also submitting a proposal about Para today

xD

[rotund fractal]

There are Parahaters? Who hates Paras?!

[normal shuttle]

Mid players

Bad carnivore mains

[narrow nova]

carnivor main wont hate para

they just want eat it

[normal shuttle]

Well they don’t like herbivores being competent

#EatGrassAndDie

[narrow nova]

carnivor main love more herbivores.

[normal shuttle]

Not when they are good at not being eaten

[rotund fractal]

I am surprised that no Cera player has complained to me yet #general-feedback message

xD

[rotund fractal]

true

[rotund fractal]

classic

[narrow nova]

Hunting for prey that does not belong to the same level is inevitable, as there are no carnivores of the same level. Therefore, small carnivores will always try to hunt large herbivores, while herbivores that do not play well will be killed by skilled carnivores

there are always some cerato try to fight stego. and some stego eventually will die , it's normal. cerato die more. skilled stego almost never die from cerato and deino.

This is already the status quo, so I usually don't understand why some people complain about the current balance.In situations where the skill are similar, it is certainly impossible for Cerato to kill Stego, and very hard for cerato to defeat Teno.

[normal shuttle]

Giant elder para gang

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-pee-funny-cat-gif-436236211739437212

[misty maple]

#general-feedback message
probably the best comparison ive seen for trikes posture lmao

[modest dock]

#general-feedback message

I entirely agree with trike posture being wrong. But sadly i asked kissen about it and she said that the trike posture wont be changed because making it lower by default causes issues with the sparring... which i felt like it was a pretty weird answer because diablo have its head lowered by default and doesn't seems to have any issues regarding sparring. Plus even worse, trike sparring posture lowers its head when you enable sparring...

[hollow flume]

How is the trike posture wrong?

[magic elm]

How is Omni eye bad? It's the same thing as Legacy

[fallow latch]

Ppl complain abt trike not being accurate in game where dinosaurs are not accurate

[hollow flume]

Lol facts

What are they even basing wrong posturing off of?

[fallow latch]

Idk neck being a bit to upwards

Brother in christ the isle is having one of the best trike designs, look at og JP trike that mf is ugly as hell

Plus if they know lore he would know that those aren't even pure dinosaurs and are monsters created by Apollo

[modest dock]

it was better on legacy

[modest dock]

its not only about it being accurate but its also awfull

[modest dock]

standing like a horse, the right position (on bottom) have its head lower

[woeful latch]

T.deinocanthoceratolophodontus-raptor rex

[lean escarp]

its not a model issue, its an animation issue

sometimes i look back at other devblogs and i see kentrosaurus' movement animations and i cringe

lol, the grass trampling definitely needs some adjustments

i dont think smaller creatures even need to trample grass
it should take a certain footprint size to start to affect the grass around you

[modest dock]

never said it was one, but the model (here on the skin creator) use an animation that makes his skeleton standing the way it is on the img

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i can understand the stego part, but what carno has to do with rex

[woven bane]

the guy in one of the clips had nearly 300 ping, the other one was a visual bug lol

[woeful latch]

lol

[unreal ridge]

carno eats baby rex

young rex (should) be frail as hell

nothing like the 2 ton 22% trike we have now

[lean escarp]

i do agree that growth should be a little less linear

instead of going from 0 to 100 growth at a steady rate, ending up with a 2 ton 22%, there should be growth "stages" for your stats to meet at certain points

[normal shuttle]

@jade spruce I'm sorry, but you have to get gud there

they are players like those that would normally eat you

and there's already a debuff to unnatural carnivore cannibals

whereas cera and deino MUST do so

and you gotta learn to manage your stam now

[unreal ridge]

@vernal ermine what part of hidden coordination isn't getting through

[vernal ermine]

hidden coordination? wdym

what is the point of the display apart from being cosmetic?

[unreal ridge]

the entire point of the dewlap is so that you can signal a pounce without making a sound

its an ambush predator

[vernal ermine]

F+RMB is to signal a pounce?

[unreal ridge]

yes

its hidden communication

[woven bane]

mfw i use the dewlap but i give out my position

[vernal ermine]

hahaha well shiet i didn't know

[unreal ridge]

of course discords and other forms of chatting render it sort of useless

however when working with randoms, it can be useful

[vernal ermine]

how often do you see it actually used with that intention though

[unreal ridge]

whenever I play herrera in a group

im lowkey kind of a jerk when playing herrera, ill cannibalize anyone who jeopardizes my ability to make a proper ambush

so my kids learn quick to coordinate or leave

so most of the time i end up playing solo just to give myself the best opportunity for a pounce

[vernal ermine]

i hate it when im tryna set up an ambush and some mf starts speaking about "when's rex coming out" in chat

[unreal ridge]

I just be eating people who talk to much

[vernal ermine]

LOL

You definitely makin use of that canni mutation or what

[unreal ridge]

cannibal mut on herrera is fire

[vernal ermine]

i knew it

[unreal ridge]

well herrera is also like semi cannibalistic by default?

[vernal ermine]

noooo

[unreal ridge]

you can eat a decent amount of your own species before having any side effects

[vernal ermine]

but do you ever meet people who actually use F+RMB to coordinate

[unreal ridge]

yes

usually canyon herreras

they cant risk being spotted due to low mobility, the dark area with lack of things to block LOS makes it prime use

[vernal ermine]

they actually use it?

well damn i guess i haven't encountered herras with braincells yet

[unreal ridge]

i prefer to weed out the weak when it comes to herrera

the dewlap can also be useful to prevent friendly fire

lets say you are walking on the ground and someone cant tell what you are
if you flash the neon dewlap, herreras know not to jump (if they wanna be friends that is lol)

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

neither troodon or dilo are dots

you'd just be removing one of herreras diet options to give it options in diets where it already has some of the easiest prey

[normal shuttle]

lol

when it already has ptera, turtle, goat and galli

all of which are so free

[wooden agate]

if we wanna talk about animals with an underwhelming diet, carno is right there

[normal shuttle]

also, how does herra have any diet problems?? It probably has the best diet list out of all the carnivores imo

so much AI and well rounded with the playables that are perfectly achievable

[wooden agate]

fish on dots, frogs on S, turtle/goat on lines

most of the animals on your diet are one shotted by you as well

[normal shuttle]

fish and boar on carbs, frog AND chicken on protein, turtle and goat in lipids

and then pachy and teno, omni on protein, galli and dryo on lipids

it's so free

unlike carno with dibble and maia taking up space

or cera with dryo for some reason instead of maia

[wooden agate]

they did this with diablo when it dropped as well

they added it to carnos diet, and didnt add it to ceras till a bit after

[normal shuttle]

lol

they forgot disney carno was gone

it died with spiro

@vernal ermine titanoboa is dead...I killed it

[vernal ermine]

wym

[normal shuttle]

I used to be a titanoboa hater

until I accepted it didn't matter

[vernal ermine]

Boa just doesn't seem viable

[daring bolt]

titanoboa was scrapped like a few years ago from ti

[vernal ermine]

Its way of playstyle fits a singleplayergame, more so than the isle

[normal shuttle]

likely axed

[normal shuttle]

we know

it has been said a lot before your arrival

[vernal ermine]

Hahahaha cornball

@sharp sentinel how powerful do you think elders should be compared to adults?

[swift hornet]

Does anyone have a fix for Isles auto setting the resolution way to high for the game? No amount of Manuel setting fixes the issue, it keeps launching at way to high resolution and crashing my game

[slim hazel]

Does anyone else notice the bug we’re if you get stunned or knocked the animation will play fine and then ur Dino will stand there for another second or two esp on things like Carno and Omni

[vernal ermine]

Do you have your NVIDIA app installed?
Let it check for any new drivers

[vernal ermine]

yeah it's a bug. Happens to stegos too

[slim hazel]

I hope they can fix that

[swift hornet]

I do and all drivers are updated, first thing i went and did. This happened like almost 2 years ago, someone had to send me a full folder to add to my isles folder to get it fixed, I just can't seek to find where I put that folder 😭

[torn void]

#general-feedback message
A missunderstod genius

[sharp sentinel]

@vernal ermine i think the elder shouldent be insanly strong compared to the adult, but it should have mabye a 1.25x dmg multiplier or smth. It will hopefully be overall stronger and bigger, similiar to the omni rn (Except w/ the model of course)

[faint folio]

When the game's menu launches it is too high resolution and causes a crash before you load into any servers? Am I understanding correctly?

[icy lion]

@deft canyon Some unofficials have global enabled

[deft canyon]

im talking officals

[swift hornet]

Yes! It's so high that my monitor goes crazy and won't even load anything, I just get black screen with music in the background and I can't even close the game.

I have auto set it to much lower but when I launch it it just overrides my settings

[icy lion]

Are you using Steam's launch options?

[faint folio]

You could try looking for your Saved folder in %LocalAppData%. I don't remember if the game settings are saved there, but I know the keybinds are. You may be able to manually edit the file to change the settings. Or you could delete the folder and that would force the game to return to default settings

[desert arch]

We had global on officials for like a week before they had to be closed down due to insane toxicity 💀
We just cant have nice things

[deft canyon]

sounds like american issues

[swift hornet]

I have lunches both through steam and NVIDIA app and changed the settings in both but it reverts on launch

[swift hornet]

I'll give that a shot!

[faint folio]

Dinos should be saved server side, so don't worry you won't lose any dinos by deleting that folder. You will need to redo keybinds and settings though

[faint folio]

Sounds like pvp issues to me. All it takes is one person upset because they were killed unfairly by a mega pack to start a flame war

[desert arch]

"Guys theres a deino in the west rail pond, dont drink there!"

[vernal ermine]

this game is based upon growing for several hours
gamers are bound to get salty and vocal when they get killed hahaha

[deft canyon]

actually none of that happened, thank you for your privilege assumption, however i think it would be better for the community to be able to talk with their diets

[faint folio]

You're literally the one who assumed it was "American issues". In every server based pvp game I've ever played, global gets toxic when people are upset they lost. That's not an assumption, just my experience

And I'm not saying that you have pvp issues, I'm saying a toxic global chat is a common issue on games with pvp

[deft canyon]

You got logs of that? because i legit only posted like twice in this server so its cute you like to assume. All my suggestion is that we allow same diets to talk local, its not game breaking or nothing, it has no alternative motives, but if you wanna be what you are about it and feel important, thats on you

[icy lion]

I think you need to cool off

[faint folio]

I literally replied to the post where you said that? I'm confused

I don't know what you think I'm assuming... It is a suggestion feedback channel though, so yeah I will talk about how I think globals on official servers is a bad idea because every time I've seen a pvp game do that it's turned into a toxic trash fire

[vernal ermine]

Same diets?

Like if you have good diets, you get to talk global? I don't understand the suggestion

[icy lion]

Carnivores talking to all other carnivores, and herbivores talking to all other herbivores, etc

[latent olive]

hell naw

[latent olive]

also take a look at off topic, winery

[deft canyon]

I feel like all herbies should be able to talk local and all carnis can talk local

[indigo gulch]

no also in europe

[deft canyon]

Sounds like it should be changed then

[vernal ermine]

What is the positive outcome?

[indigo gulch]

nah bro imagine wanting to type to your packmates and every other carni can hear you

[deft canyon]

If you're a herbie and come up on others you can communicate and join the group, same for carnis

[indigo gulch]

it is also very VERY herbi sided since they dont need to kill to survive

[vernal ermine]

nononono dont worry my friend, for that you will have /whisper 🤯

[indigo gulch]

''hey stego, a omni group is targeting me, could you help me''

[vernal ermine]

what is the positive outcome of that though

[deft canyon]

No different than now at that point

[indigo gulch]

how so?

[deft canyon]

You can talk to your own like what in what i said didn't you understand as an outcome ?

[indigo gulch]

wdym no difference? The other carni species cant hear you

[deft canyon]

Everyone can hear you didn't you play?

[indigo gulch]

not in chat?

[deft canyon]

Your dino makes sounds

[icy lion]

Marjon means that they can't read your texts

[indigo gulch]

BRO THATS SO NOT THE SAME

seeing the message and hearing a communication sound is not even comparable

[deft canyon]

Local had a larger range.

[deft canyon]

Or is

[indigo gulch]

it isnt.

it factually isn't.

[deft canyon]

Well.you play how you like, I made a suggestion, you being the 1% doesn't matter to me

[indigo gulch]

being able to see ''guys lets gang up on this carno'' and an omni chat call is fundamentally different

[indigo gulch]

I'm just saying that your point makes no sense and that it would be a negative addition because of that

[deft canyon]

It does you just fail to see it because you only view from an advantage viewpoint

[indigo gulch]

WDYM

I LITERALLY ASKED FOR THE DIFFERENCE

and I literally refuted it

[deft canyon]

I gave it multiple times

[indigo gulch]

And I told you that there is a difference

[deft canyon]

And I told you

[stuck imp]

an omniraptor and carno are not the same kind. why would they be able to communicate?

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-sunset-kitten-gif-22311468

[deft canyon]

How do birds and squirrels communicate to know each other isn't a threat?

[icy lion]

They don't communicate

[faint folio]

They can hear you but can't understand you. If you type into chat "hey I want to kill this allo, I'm hungry" the allo can't understand. They know your Omni pack is nearby but not what you're planning. Whereas if everyone in your faction can understand, now the allo knows you're going to target them. That's a huge difference.

[deft canyon]

It's an understanding but being this is a game it should local diet chat

[icy lion]

I'm sorry but that would be an awful experience on officials

[cyan flame]

Body language, noises, there's no talking like an ingame chat

[indigo gulch]

istg man

[deft canyon]

Wo deinos talking in chat to lure others to death doesn't count?

[desert arch]

Its only there to bring joy into this chat 😄

[deft canyon]

Can't take actual nature and a game 100%

[cyan flame]

And no, it's... not a good idea. Global chat gets messy, local for everyone would also get messy, and quite frankly, carnis and herbis shouldn't be mixing in the first place

[deft canyon]

Then ban people.

[cyan flame]

Correct, but in this case, you can use ingame calls and body language to communicate quite well already

[deft canyon]

I never said carnis and herbis should.be mixing

[vernal ermine]

@deft canyon why don't you play on a communityserver with that feature

[faint folio]

What do you mean by "lure to death"? Like they say "food over here"? Or what?

[icy lion]

We already ban people for egregious behavior like slurs, racism, etc. Not only would that situation get worse, the gameplay as a whole would get worse

[cyan flame]

Right, so just add a bunch of moderation, for why exactly? Why do all carnis and or herbis need to talk to each other in chat?

[deft canyon]

Players say friendly then kill

[deft canyon]

It's official, they don't moderate anyways

[cyan flame]

Well no, but they will, because now they can talk and plan really well

[desert arch]

A moderator just said they do like 2 messages above 😭

[faint folio]

That happens already with simple calls/emotes. I don't see being to type "oh I'm friendly" into chat and then double crossing adding a lot to the gameplay that doing a friendly call and then double crossing doesn't already achieve?

Plus, idk how it was on the isle legacy, but in similar games I've played, players that are interested in double crossing you usually don't talk at all so you can't see their name tag in chat and ID the player

[vernal ermine]

i never understood those players

[faint folio]

Which is another problem, because then if you want to be competitive in a group then you either have to have a separate group chat, or have a discord call, which causes communication to go external to the game altogether and disadvantages anyone who is unable or unwilling to join a call and talk

[faint folio]

I get it, somewhat. Not the betrayal aspect, but sometimes if you kill a player they will note down your name and target or blacklist you. Which isn't fair, especially if you're just playing the way the dino is meant to be played (deino/cera, the cannibals in general)

[latent olive]

having a chat that all carnivores can use to communicate to each other and vice versa for herbivores would just be outright horrible

it would ruin the game’s survival horror tone, wouldn’t make sense for random different species to communicate, would result in disgusting language, and would ruin gameplay

[faint folio]

I dislike it more when you canni a species that isn't canni to begin with / don't have the mutation/skin to ID

[vernal ermine]

i think the first generation of humans should basically be a skinwalker and be able to disguise itself as a human

[latent olive]

we had global chat for 3 days before it got taken down specifically because of how vile and horrible it was

[faint folio]

^ global is usually awful in pvp games

[vernal ermine]

did it really get that bad? i was there for it but i didn't rlly pay attention to chat

[latent olive]

punchpacket himself personally requested to remove the global chat from how bad it was

[faint folio]

I imagine it was a LOT to police. There's already not many admins online for official servers compared to the number of players

[desert arch]

I witnessed people telling others to do horrible things to themselves because they lost their adult deino so yeah :/

And that was like on day 1 too lol

[faint folio]

Sounds comparable to other games with global 😅

[desert arch]

Like, there would have to be at least 1 admin watching the chats at ALL TIMES

The current volunteers are already struggling with the hacker reports and other regular issues as well

[indigo gulch]

and that's why it's disabled 😄

even if you could talk to other carnis, you'd still get massive flame

[vernal ermine]

i think this game's community is one of the less toxic ones tho in global

[indigo gulch]

HA

[desert arch]

Oh poor innocent child 😭

[indigo gulch]

global disabled day one when it was enabled on officials

[desert arch]

I wish

[vernal ermine]

like i don't think it comes anywhere as close as rust or say call of duty

[indigo gulch]

gamers cannot be trusted to have manners, let alone decency.

[desert arch]

Okay fair point 💀
Rust is not for the weak

[barren crater]

I don't think global chat has ever worked out in any game

[indigo gulch]

that's the equivalent of saying ''telling you I will come for you'' is not bad cuse its not ''telling someone to do unspeakable things to themselves''

for obvious reasons, this is the most censored I can make that

just because A is worse, doesnt mean B isnt bad

[vernal ermine]

i'm not saying the isle's isn't bad, i'm just saying it's way more tame than other games

[barren crater]

Eh. It's not even that bad chat wise. Proximity sure. But wait till Isle gets proximity chat

[indigo gulch]

at that point, just disable as much communication as posible

[vernal ermine]

rust genuinely, and without sarcasm, changes people

[indigo gulch]

the day that happens I leave.

gg was a good run

[azure ruin]

Prox chat will only be for humans no?

[barren crater]

I mean avoid gen 2 gaming or disable voice chat

[indigo gulch]

see ya never

[vernal ermine]

i refuse to believe that, i think prox will be fun

[barren crater]

Yeah only humans

[vernal ermine]

afaik yea

[azure ruin]

And for dinosaurs it'd sound like static from what I remember

[vernal ermine]

giving it to dinos would be unnecessary

[indigo gulch]

yeah sorry, as a minority, I remain highly skeptical of any voicechat option

[azure ruin]

Just don't play as a human then (I sure as hell am not)

[vernal ermine]

just disable it and don't use it

it's not like every human will use prox, it might be pretty normal to come across people who just use local

[indigo gulch]

and then I get killed for not using it

[barren crater]

Voice chat will be so fun lmao. Can't wait

Oh yeah that's definitely going to happen

[azure ruin]

Hearing your friend get dragged off screaming would make me lmao

[indigo gulch]

only reason I would enable tbh xD

[vernal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/word-troy-barnes-community-that's-right-gif-5726584053966428452

[indigo gulch]

word?

[azure ruin]

If it's anything like R.E.P.O XDDD

[vernal ermine]

"what is that sound?"
famous last words

[azure ruin]

"Did you guys hear th-"
crunching noises

[indigo gulch]

@subtle garden would that be the second the eggs hatch or when the newborns reach a certain stage? Cuse I'd see people nest and kill them immediately for mutations

[vernal ermine]

Hahahahahaha i cant wait

[azure ruin]

It'll be both brutal and funny xD

[vernal ermine]

If you had to guess, when do you think humans release
my guess is either '26 or '27

[azure ruin]

Eugh I'll be 26/27 by then

[subtle garden]

Those are some good ways to balance it. I'd say if one baby was born than it was a success.

[vernal ermine]

i think nesting might help eldering in the future

makes sense

[jade spruce]

When you take away the ability to choose spawn points and die to the same cannibal in the same lake five times in a row, knowing damn well he's full and has other bodies around, something has to give. Also they don't HAVE to cannibalize, there are multiple options for that particular nutritional value. Perhaps they need to be more skilled than just being a spawn camper.. then they wouldnt be as defecient in that vitamin as they are in braincells. The stamina is absolute hot garbage, though. You can defend Dondi's hatred of fun all you want, but putting in a migration mechanic while having a system that makes it near impossible to cover enough ground before the zone moves is the most counterproductive, and halfassed means of making the game "harder to survive".

[wooden agate]

the most islecord thing ive ever seen

blatent misinformation literally just a few messages below what actually happens

[vernal ermine]

blatant misinformation goes crazy

[vernal ermine]

how would you rework stam?

[jade spruce]

By getting rid of the incremental limitations for regeneration based off of stamina level, and balance it better with food and water loss. Maybe if they really want to force us to sit still while we starve looking for food, add an over-exertion system once you reach your stamina limit. Make it something that can be easily avoided instead of what feels like a punishment for trying to quickly find food before you die.

[faint folio]

I actually like the stamina system; however, one thing that could greatly improve it is to make visible where the thresholds are in some way. I think the problem you're mentioning is actually a migration zone/patrol zone issue - they're kinda messed up right now 😭 there's a reason migration zones aren't super popular. Migration zones need to be close enough to each other that they're actually achievable if you don't make it to the first before it switches

Like, honestly I think the new stamina system could have worked with Spiro style plants grow in specific biomes and you need to walk to said region to get them.

It's the migration spawner and general migration mechanics being wonky that doesn't play well with the stamina mechanics

[jade spruce]

The map is also a big part of the problem.. Its not a very forgiving terrain to traverse in many spots

Spiro was honestly better, but its gone now ):

[faint folio]

Agreed. I kinda wish they had run a "smooth" tool over most of the height map (neglecting cliff areas) before putting assets on it

I think there are some ways that gateway is better for gameplay; spiro did have issues. But traversal was much easier in spiro for sure

[jade spruce]

I like the concept of gateway and the verticality of the map for flyers and exploration, but Spiro had a better flow for movment around the map.. and less 10 mile detours for Deinos to avoid a 500ft waterfall from spawn river lol

[faint folio]

I think that last one is intentional to make deino be vulnerable part of the time when relocating (aside from other Crocs)

[wooden agate]

i dont think funneling everyone into center is better flow of movement lol

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @signal lava I don’t think that would solve the issue enough to warrant the change. It would also just make deinos drag you to the bottom of the water, release you, bite you to death and if you get close to escaping, repeat the cycle. Not only that, it would make deino even less of a threat to weight classes it barely threatens already. AND it just needs to be at the right place at the right time. If a stego is swimming and happens to be caught by a deino, that’s just well played by the deino or poorly played by the stego.

And deino is currently struggling with finding any prey (that isn’t itself) to sustain itself unless you’re in sp or highlands. And no one swims in highlands so it wouldnt matter for those classes anyway

[wooden agate]

im still baffled that people still go to SP as deino

like literally everyone knows youre in there

it is more unexpected to not be grabbed when drinking at SP than it is TO be grabbed

[signal lava]

I’m thinking more on the lines of Deino’s that walk into small ponds (practically puddles) that… frankly they shouldn’t belong, let’s be fr. Not to mention, I think it would be good for some players who spend 4+ hours growing a dinosaur just to be killed by a Deino in a kind of BS spot trying to drink in the very little safe spots to drink to begin with, the only truly safe spots I can think of is the waterfall at SP behind the rock and the shallow part in water access. It’ll give some players a chance to fight; also, by it draining deinos stam, he wouldn’t be able to go and fight back, he’d be out of stam if he lets go.

[indigo gulch]

Not every deino knows how to grab at the safe drinking spot there

And they rather have guaranteed action than pray something comes along

[signal lava]

So that gives the player a window to swim out, which given Deino takes a while to get a bit of stam back, would hypothetically give the player enough time to swim away (if there isn’t multiple Deino’s).

[signal lava]

Ikr lmao

[indigo gulch]

And the deino grew almost 7 hours for it.

[wooden agate]

an RNG ability deciding if i live or not would actually suck

it already sucks for raptor pounce

i dont think we should punish deino for expressly doing what it is meant to do

[signal lava]

I’m saying it’s a slim chance

[wooden agate]

its like when herrera got stunned every time it fell

[signal lava]

There’s no reason for a drink to grab a player who spent equal amount of time and it be end all be all

Both spent a lot of time

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but again said slim chance would only apply to dinos that are already close to not getting grabbed

Like dibble

[wooden agate]

it can not grab a single animal in game that takes an equal amount of time to grow (unless youre a swimming stego)

and even then stego grows slightly faster than deino

[indigo gulch]

Also describe a BS spot

[signal lava]

If he grabs an Utah, yeah bro should die. If he grabs a Dino that’s over 2000kg imo, they should have the slim chance to fight back, similar to bucking

[indigo gulch]

But the difference between this and bucking is that there is 0 way for the deino to get you otherwise

[signal lava]

There’s very tiny ponds such as west rail where deinos walk super far to get into, where realistically they should be safe spots to drink given the major river systems have deinos, such as north and water access. The few small ponds there is should be safe imo

[wooden agate]

thats already somewhat planned though, retaliation damage is going to be a thing for deino lunge at some point

[signal lava]

I don’t think you’re listening to what I’m saying and I’m going to end this here. Have a good night

[wooden agate]

frankly there shouldnt be any 100% safe spot to drink

[signal lava]

Ohhh okay!

[indigo gulch]

I literally went in on your argument, how am I not listening?

[wooden agate]

(its worth noting that some animals will have it, some wont. there are just some animals that cant do much against something like that)

[signal lava]

Yeah I figured

[wooden agate]

i imagine diablo will be one of the ones that goes "well im meeting ariel now"

[signal lava]

My only point being is there should be a thrash, it’s not guaranteed for the player to get released, just a slim chance (like stated before) that may get the player a brief window to get out and maybe live

[wooden agate]

just a fat potato being grabbed by an 8 ton grill tong

[limber hull]

"Spiro" and "flow of movement" don't really belong in the same sentence

Having entire swaths of useless, inhospitable land and literally like 2 hotspots meant the "flow of movement" was literally back and forth between point A or B, or literally just not moving from said hotspots because why bother

[signal lava]

I don’t think it’s a 100% solution, I think it may help some players who spend equal amounts of time growing as Deino and not get dragged under, obv some Dino’s are already over a weight where they can’t get grabbed at all (like FG stego) but I think some dinosaurs over a certain weight should be able to thrash

There’s already an animation pretty much, just make it an ability

[wooden agate]

nothing that spends the same amount of time growing will be getting grabbed by deino though

[signal lava]

Which again, would give a SLIM chance of getting away

[indigo gulch]

^

[signal lava]

More dinosaurs will be added, not just the current roster

[wooden agate]

stego is the absolute max it can grab and it takes marginally less time to grow (even moreso if you minmax diets since herbivores)

anything that takes longer will almost 100% be larger than stego

[signal lava]

That’s true yeah, but I’m not leaving it to just growth time. I was just responding to what someone else said. I think it makes the game more enjoyable anyways if you’re not constantly worried to be dragged under by a Deino, I think for larger dinosaurs it would make more sense to have a thrash

I mean it’s more realistic anyways, in RL not all crocs get their kills (yk?)

[wooden agate]

but thats the point of deino

to instill fear into everyone who drinks water

thats half the reason deinos are a joke right now because of niche drinking areas where deino cant grab you

[indigo gulch]

Same as herra making you afraid of popular trees….

[signal lava]

Yeah but I think there’s a certain point for gameplay sake and the enjoyability for all players. And that’s true, yes “popular” trees; a player shouldn’t be afraid of ALL water sources

[wooden agate]

i mean... they should

otherwise players just move the hotspot to the safe water source lol

[signal lava]

Which is why too I personally think the addition to shallow puddles will be good once that’s added to the main branch

[signal lava]

Deino’s would likely fallow, there’s no way to fix that, and I’m not saying to fix that

[indigo gulch]

That…would literally add to the problem tho wouldn’t it

[wooden agate]

but if its a safe water source then how will the deino a) get there and b) hunt there

[indigo gulch]

Like I’m pretty sure it’s planned but also the other way around

[wooden agate]

if everyone knows that THIS water source can not have deinos in it, they all just clump there to drink

[indigo gulch]

Yeah and deinos MUST move to popular spots or die. WHich sucks when you’re waterlocked

[signal lava]

Deino walks across land all the time already, that’s not a revelation haha, everyone has seen it. Deino’s go in small ponds all the time, take west rail for example. That’s not even the point of my suggestion though, and not necessarily. I know of small ponds (like basically puddles) that Deino’s actually can’t live in the corners of the map and they’re not hot spots

[wooden agate]

they cant live there because no one goes there, not because they cant get there

[signal lava]

The hot spots will probably always remain the same (likely fluctuate slightly given the map changes). I do like the idea of the puddles being added which is in hordetest

[signal lava]

Yeah that’s true

[signal lava]

I don’t think so, puddles up to the players shins which is in the new hordetest map can’t house a Deino haha

[indigo gulch]

I play mostly in rivers cuse I don’t like the pond gameplay. River areas are very very dead

Partly due to patrol zones but meh

[signal lava]

I’ve seen people there (myself included), I mean realistically they could. My point is, despite it being safe technically, players don’t make it a hotspot

[signal lava]

Yeah yeah I get that

When I play Deino I prefer the rivers too, usually water access, but I usually grow in north then hop to water once I’m a bit bigger

[indigo gulch]

How is a deino supposed to get food when they all go to the puddles wait puddles+reabsorption would go crazy

[signal lava]

Anyways my original point though was just I think players should just have a thrash to get away from Deino that has a very slim chance of even working- just so players maybe have a chance of living- and I don’t mean all players, just ones over a certain weight that’s all

[signal lava]

Maybe?? I’m honestly not sure, but in the new hordetest map that’s what they have, large puddles and the addition of puddles scattered around the map

So idk personally how that would go once in the public branch

[indigo gulch]

We’ll see. Deino getting a kit rework helps for in the future I guess

[signal lava]

And they’re like shin deep on carno so I couldn’t see a deino realistically living in it personally but I mean I suppose it could technically be possible, that’d go crazy

[indigo gulch]

Naaaaah if you get caught by a fg deino in carno shin deep water you DESERVE to die honestly

[signal lava]

Plus with the addition of like 20+ other Dino’s on the lineup I think it could be a cool ability idk

[signal lava]

I mean at that point yeah 💀

[indigo gulch]

“Yo that water is sticking out a lot. I’m sure it’s fine tho”

[signal lava]

Bruh if you don’t see a Deino in shin deep water a mile away idk guess you’re cooked 😭😭💀💀 it’ll be for sure interesting once it’s added to public branch

[thorn folio]

@supple pine there will be more colors

[violet sail]

I think the suggestion has a lot of potential though, since it would also cause some deino players to be a bit more strategic with what they do after they lunge (such as planning where they drag the player to once under water).

The idea is dinosaurs who weigh maybe 2kg+ (until the weight cut off at 4kg when deino can’t grab it) can thrash. If they use this thrash ability the deino’s stam may drain a bit more quickly (doesn’t have to be by a huge amount, but something a little noticeable at least). As a result the deino may have to go more in the middle of the river or lake, so if they do let go/the dinosaur “escapes” by thrashing, the dinosaur is still likely dead.
As a result just because there’s the ability to thrash it doesn’t mean deino will be without food or will struggle further, the chance to escape is still especially slim, on top of the fact that it can continue to bite the player it dragged under once it lets go (even if it has no stam).

This ability may just make it a bit more enjoyable for players who potentially spend (for example) 3 hours growing certain dinosaurs, since there’s a chance they can escape (albeit slim) rather than a guaranteed death (some dinosaurs will not have the trash ability because they don’t meet the threshold, such as utah, dilo, carno, and cera- so deino will still have a large variety of prey it can go after, especially with newer playables as the roster is further expanded). It just makes sense for some dinosaurs who may be just under the “ungrabable” threshold (which i think is 4kg, although i could be wrong) currently in game to provide a bit more of a challenge to deino, or have some way to get away given what they weigh.

[signal lava]

Yeah, plus if say a player does by that small slim chance get away- I believe that makes it more rewarding for them as well to be able to actually get away.

I think an important thing to remember is the current roster is not the end all be all- there’s literally so many more dinosaurs to be added and I think giving some the chance to get away could be both rewarding for the player (again, by the SLIM chance that they do) and also more challenging and thought provoking for the Deino rather than just a lunge, rinse and repeat- they still have to fight for their food (albeit they most likely will still get the prey), just there’s that tiny chance the individual thrashing might get away, it makes the game more enjoyable for all players and imo, more realistic too;

Crocodiles/alligators dont always get their prey, I mean National Geographic has shown the zebra getting away; I think it would be cool for something like that to be added, more rewarding and more thought provoking (strategy wise) for everyone around. It shouldn’t just be an “end-all, be-all” for some of the larger dinosaurs, and again, most of the current dinosaurs (and more to be added) would still be under that 4500 weight anyways, so with the TINY chance they can maybe escape if a Deino slips up or doesn’t have enough stam; that’s more rewarding for the player to get away (again, a SLIM chance given how awesome and powerful Deino is), and more rewarding on Deino’s end to, to get a successful hunt it worked hard for. 🤷‍♀️

So for a small handful of dinosaurs that are 2000kg+ (and below 4500kg), it would be nice for them to have an ability where they can MAYBE get away, by a thrash ability. I mean realistically animals don’t just give in and die IRL, if you want a realistic gameplay then that’s more realistic imo; at the end of the day though I think it would just be better gameplay wise, and rewarding for both the prey and predator in that scenario.

[latent olive]

@sudden tapir a contender

[violet sail]

It also makes the game a bit more interesting and complex in a sense, which some players may find further engaging.

[sudden tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-ryomen-mahoraga-eight-handled-sword-divergent-sila-divine-general-mahoraga-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-2546851036460095929

[signal lava]

Yeah I agree, given imo rn Deino has very little strat to it and tbh, given I’ve grown Deino, the gameplay gets super boring- at least by making the hunting a bit more challenging it’s more engaging in that sense, but tbh it isn’t even really “challenging”, it’s a slim chance and if it’s a good Deino player than you’re getting that meal regardless, if your prey gets away even after dragging them out and causing damage; well then the player really deserved to live then lol. The chance the player could possibly get away is already so low and it’s only for certain dinosaurs (again reminder there’s going to be SO MANY MORE dinosaurs added), it’s just negligible. In the end, Deino’s have a bit more thought behind those reptile eyes (lol), and players have a tiny chance of living, and if they do, it’s well deserved

Engagement is really what’s the point, and I think it’ll contribute well to the gameplay

[limber hull]

Doesn't this entire deino change just make the already inconsistent hunts of deino even less consistent and basically makes most hunts a game of chance to if you even manage to succeed the hunt?

[violet sail]

It does get boring unless you’re in more populated zones, especially given the growth time it takes. But yeah if a player can survive all that then their survival is well deserved by that point

[signal lava]

I think you’re missing the point where’s a few select dinosaurs and it’s a slim chance of them even getting away

[limber hull]

"select few"

all of them above 2 tons is a LOT, and the main ones deino will WANT to be hunting to actually sustain itself

[signal lava]

If they even DO get away, which is likely a less than 10% chance they even do, they honestly deserve that second chance of life

[signal lava]

Deino already massacred everything

Let’s be fr, the SLIM chance of a Dino getting away isn’t changing a whole lot

[limber hull]

i mean, you're right, but it's also by far the most avoidable predator in the entire game

[signal lava]

Yes and no, everyone needs to drink

[limber hull]

drink where the deino ain't gonna get ya and you're safe by all metrics

[signal lava]

I do agree though that yes it is pretty avoidable but in the end everyone needs to drink, and unfortunately deino is in practically every body of water

Deino’s walk into small ponds all the time, take west rail for reference

[limber hull]

and every body of water tends to have ways around the deinos

[signal lava]

Not really, most consistent way is shallow water which the only shallow water I can think of is in water access in the pond. Only other way is behind logs/rocks which not all body’s of water do and it’s still not guaranteed

[signal lava]

Yeah I agree

[limber hull]

idk, deino is already not in a great spot. it has no agency to choose its hunts, it HAS to go for whatever it gets the opportunity to go for, so having it also be wildly inconsistent if it succeeds that hunt just feels like a real kick in the ass

[violet sail]

Some places don’t have safe spots though, like highlands body of water (as far as I’m aware anyway). The strat there is just drink in the lesser populated area and hope one isn’t in the right place at that time

[limber hull]

highlands does

[signal lava]

Where? Never seen highlands have a safe spot lmao, ive seen so many die there

[signal lava]

I’ve seen Dino’s sit with 7+ bodies just chilling with them. It’s about being good honestly, it’s a big dinosaur, if you’re not good then that’s the price to pay unfortunately, and it’ll continue as more and more dinosaurs are added, however in that case Deino will also get more selection for its food. Deino isn’t helpless by any means rn, and by having a SLIM chance a large dinosaur could MAYBE get away, it’s more engaging

[limber hull]

yea but like... it's also not solving much of anything, because it's exceptionally unengaging counterplay for the deino

you just flipped the coin over, but it's still the same coin

[signal lava]

It’s also about spawning in actually good spots, I mean some spots are just dead like East Lake (at least in servers I play in)

[signal lava]

It makes it so players who aren’t Deino might have a chance of saving a Dino they spent hours growing. And again, that chance is super super slim if they even do. If a Deino loses that kill, well then it’s deserved at that point, given the such slim chance it would even be that they do

[limber hull]

but that makes it the most unsatisfying form of counterplay

one of you is getting screwed by sheer chance

[signal lava]

There isn’t any counter play at all for Deino rn lol

[limber hull]

and losing to chance is REALLY unfun

[signal lava]

Not really

It’s skill, if Deino can’t secure its hunt like any other dinosaur then that’s oh well

Any hunt is a game of chance in that case

[limber hull]

well... there is

drink from the safe spots/shallows, avoid deino hotspots, equip water-generating/retaining mutations, look out for fish in bodies of water because that often indicates deino presence, use smell to see if the water contains corpses

[signal lava]

It makes it more engaging rather than just sitting there, lunging (getting prey), rinse and repeat. If it gets a large prey (again which isn’t a whole lot of dinosaurs), they should have the SLIGHT ability to get away. That still leaves like 60-70% of the roster that Deino can still take and they can’t get away, not every dinosaur would have that ability and more will continually be added to the game

[violet sail]

You could also argue that the deino being in the right place you’re in is “chance” in a sense (since sometimes deinos can be in really unusual places), and that in of itself is really unfun for players who spent hours with a dinosaur just to get snatched and lose it in an instance. It shouldn’t apply to all dinosaurs, just some of the heftier ones to give them something like “well at least i had some chance” mentality

[signal lava]

Fish spawn with non-Deino animals too, like beipi and ptera; in ponds it’ll also spawn for any other old dinosaur if you’re sitting by for long enough (I’ve seen it happen as Cera). Deino can walk across land to any water source it wants to, and hot spots will always be hot spots because that’s where players gather, that’ll never change

[limber hull]

sure, but deino ALSO relies on that "chance" encounter to get its next meal and ward off starvation. It goes both ways. Both of you are already being influenced by chance for the animal you spent hours growing

[signal lava]

SP will always be the most populated along with Highlands and water access, that’s inevitable. It’s just more rewarding and engaging for those who worked hard for their dinosaur, and they should be given the slim chance of saving them. They probably won’t, it’s Deino of course, but it’s hella rewarding if they do

[signal lava]

Again, Deino isn’t some helpless dinosaur, it’s honestly super powerful. Especially in places like SP where I’ve seen dozens of them lining the shores chilling with dozens of bodies- and those bodies are usually utahs, ceras, carnos, etc anyways which would be under that weight threshold. And again, more dinosaurs are to be added to the game

[limber hull]

Like you gotta understand deino is trying to save itself too in many cases. People have grown wise to the places to drink to avoid ever dying to a deino. I know people who have gone months without ever dying to a deino despite playing multiple times a week.

Deino suffers the exact same issue, it has spent hours growing a creature, just to lose it to bad luck because no one drank at their spot

[slim hazel]

Ik the devs haven’t really touched up on this subject very often but will server owners be able to change playables stats

[signal lava]

That’s… incredibly unlikely tbh, Deino walks on land, it can move. If you’re sitting at an unpopular spot for that long, then shame on you; move your player to where people are. SP will always be populated, along with other places, and those places won’t ever NOT have Deino presence either; Deino 99% of the time will get its kill

If the 1% is life or death, then that’s just how the game is

[violet sail]

Yes that’s true, however, there still should be something in place for larger dinosaurs to pose more of a challenge before officially dying to it. It doesn’t make sense for a dinosaur who’s almost at the “ungrabable” threshold to not have some (small) chance to escape. In my opinion there should be a range where you can’t escape, then the slim chance you can, to then essentially being untouchable by deino.

[signal lava]

Everyone dies, but it gives those very tiny slim amount of players a chance to maybe live; it’s deserved in that case, like any other dinosaur living when they’re hunted and they came out alive in the end; it’s extremely rewarding. Deino already takes down pretty much everything but FG stego, I think letting a select few dinosaurs have a chance of thrashing (which animations for those exist on most dinosaurs anyways already) would be a good inclusion. TBH, those dinosaurs likely wouldn’t even be common for Deino to get anyways, since it doesn’t have to be say 2000kg, it could just be dinosaur specific or whatever, which could also be incredibly interesting.

Tldr; I think more than just sitting and grabbing someone and that’s end all be all should be added, engaging gameplay for both parties is needed when encountering Deino

[signal lava]

Yeah I think that’s a good way of wording it

[signal lava]

Hm that could be interesting, I’m not sure if that will be a thing, I think that could be interesting for sandbox modes though

[vernal ermine]

I never get the minority of players' problem with deino's lunge

[limber hull]

i completely understand it, it makes perfect sense

it's just pretty evident it's a matter of how much experience you have WITH deino, as and against

because deino is literally at this point just a quiz on how well do you know the map and the playables

[signal lava]

Yeah tbh

[limber hull]

it's less an animal and more an environmental hazard

[vernal ermine]

Deino's lunge gives constant uneasiness surrounding watersources, it adds to the immerse of the game

Just like how quetz will add a deino-effect from above

[limber hull]

which inherently is the core issue with deino

deino is literally just not really on the same level as other playables

it lacks the same level of agency

a quetz isn't a fair comparison because wherever you are, a quetz CAN hunt you

deino's hunting grounds consist of in water or directly next to water and nowhere else

It is limited to a solid ~20% of the map, if that

and it relies on everything coming to it because if it messes up it is NEVER seeing that prey again

[signal lava]

Yeah that’s true, although of course the map is changing with new watering holes and lakes/ponds/puddles, so I guess that’ll bring its own new challenges when it comes to Deino, and I think that’s what adds to the challenge of playing Deino, I think Deino should be a hard dinosaur to play/grow AND actually live against if it attacks you, if Deino doesn’t have a (very very tiny) bit of challenge then it’s just an eating/killing machine; which it is yes and I agree that it makes sense, I mean it’s Deino, but at the same time like Rigel put it, there should be that tiny bit of wiggle room where someone MIGHT be able to get away; thinking about it realistically given how Deino players usually play, the likelihood of that prey actually getting away is extremely slim, given how powerful the thing is. It just doesn’t make sense for it to be “okay you die if I lunge” and “ok you don’t die if I lunge”, there should be a “okay you MIGHT die if I lunge”

Like a gradient

[vernal ermine]

Deino currently causes a butterfly effect that is responsible for people being wary around watersources.
Quetz will have a similar butterfly effect from above
These two effects are sooooo good for the game. They're part of what keep you immersed

They did mention deino is getting reworked some time in the future, wonder in what way

The butterflyeffect caused by deino, is only there due to the lunge being as powerful as it is

[limber hull]

ideally making it actually have agency lmao

[signal lava]

Oh did they? I wasn’t aware that they did, that’s interesting. Quetz will be a good addition and I wonder how its mechanics will work

[signal lava]

Yes

[vernal ermine]

Yeah quetz is going to have a type of deino effect

[signal lava]

Yeah it would, I agree. I wonder how the devs plan to make “safe areas” from quetz. I mean it wouldn’t be able to dive into the forests (hypothetically anyways), so there’s that, maybe more caves and small nooks will be added for smaller dinosaurs to hide, since there’s always balance as well to be held

Quetz will be a good addition when it’s added, along with the other dinosaurs in the roster, such as the various sauropods

[vernal ermine]

also the fact that mid tiers will body quetz if they catch it offguard

[signal lava]

Very true yeah

[vernal ermine]

quetz will definitely be a picky hunter

[signal lava]

I wonder if quits will have a harder time taking off

Quetz*

[signal lava]

For sure

[vernal ermine]

i also wonder if they'll make it emit sound when flying

[signal lava]

They’re adding thermals to the game so I wonder if it’s a glider mainly, idk

[vernal ermine]

as it approaches you, you hear some "whoosh" or whatever

[signal lava]

Oh that would be cool, like the wings beating

[vernal ermine]

yeah would prolly make it more fair

[signal lava]

Yeah probably

[vernal ermine]

they're going to make ptera depend more on those so i wouldn't be surprised if quetz depends on them too

[signal lava]

Oh so they are making ptera depend on those more? I haven’t read too much on that whole change. That’ll be interesting

[vernal ermine]

they're going to

• rework ptera's flight system, making it more dynamic & skillbased
• give ptera more capabilities on ground

[signal lava]

Oh that’s cool

[vernal ermine]

whether or not they're going to make ptera's flight more trash is a conspiracy theory, i personally believe they will

[limber hull]

ptera's flight isn't trash tho lol

[signal lava]

I’ve seen the animation clips and I’m slightly worried but I guess we’ll see

[vernal ermine]

yeah good thing we agree on that homie

[vernal ermine]

i just believe they're going to make it less powerful, and use slipstreams/groundwork as an excuse to reduce its current capabilities of flight

[signal lava]

Ptera is probably one of my favorites so I’m hoping it won’t be bad 💀💀 similarly with Quetz when that’s eventually added

[signal lava]

Yeah that’s fair

[limber hull]

i mean, it doesn't really need to be as capable as it is rn tbh

its pretty insane how much it doesn't need to interact with the ground lol

[signal lava]

I mean I guess if Quetz and possibly other flying Pterasaurs are added then I mean it isn’t the end of the world

[vernal ermine]

i think quetz is currently the only other planned one

but a third one would be nice

[limber hull]

its only quetz, yea

[signal lava]

I wonder if they’ll add any other flying/gliding dinosaurs/pterasaurs, that could be cool if we got some gliding raptors (can’t remember their names for the life of me)

[vernal ermine]

a climbing and gliding raptor would be amazing

[signal lava]

I think so yes, I now have to google what they’re called bc I can’t remember lmao

[vernal ermine]

it would basically be a herra 2.0 but it would definitely have its own playerbase

[signal lava]

Microraptors

Goodness lmao

[vernal ermine]

if they don't add a third flier, i at least hoooope they make pt a better swimmer

[signal lava]

These tiny things, could be insect eaters and small game dinosaurs

[signal lava]

Fair enough yeah

[vernal ermine]

considering pt is a fisher

[violet sail]

Ohh that would be fun i think, it’d be cool seeing them floating around the trees.

[vernal ermine]

also letting it move a lil bit with its latch

[signal lava]

Yes

It would spend its life in the trees for the most part so it would add some life to the forests

[vernal ermine]

would make it such a complete playable

• move w latch
• dive
• more physics-based flight

[signal lava]

Fr

[vernal ermine]

what would be your third pterasaur of choice

[limber hull]

tropo would be the best choice imho. flying herbivore

[supple pine]

YAY!!

[supple pine]

My vote is for Dsungaripterix Weii, and I’m gonna push that any chance I get. A smaller mid-sized guy with a beach-niche who could potentially be an omnivore (nuts and seeds with those blunt teeth). 🦷

Gotta Google the one you’re saying tho…

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

Another one
These people are so cringe

[ocean coral]

@bitter dove by “half the roster” do you mean half the playables or what

[wooden agate]

clearly the values in HT are final and meant to buff the creature!!! silly islecord

no but seriously, if you cant handle 3 days of new cerato in a testing server, dont go into the testing server

if you can not construct proper feedback or critisism towards the things they're testing, theres genuinely no reason for you to be there other than "oughh new animal yayy!!!" which is not the point of HT

#general-feedback message

this is a solid feedback, it lays out its argument well and explains the reasoning behind them alongside making actually good points

"hurrr just remove half the roster and buff cera again" in response to its changes is just trying to be inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory lol

[limber hull]

cerato is so close to being really good imho

[urban flax]

I was talking about the paid queue

People who show how despicable they are with one single sentence

[wooden agate]

oh it highlighted the other one for me

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message 👹 👹 👹

#general-feedback message LMAO

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Guys new meta mandatory mutation just dropped

[hallow geyser]

dilo players crying right now

[limber hull]

I'm pretty sure dilo players are doing fine lmao

[hallow geyser]

nah

[limber hull]

Also no other "resistance" mutation has that high a value

[hallow geyser]

well, just drop it to 30%

[hallow geyser]

the jump resistance

[limber hull]

Jump is not damage

lol

[hallow geyser]

just drop it to 30%, i dont make the rules

[limber hull]

Still way too high. Also, why have it? Just feels like it exists to screw over Troo and Dilo, rather than, y'know, nerfing dilo

[hallow geyser]

i feel dilo has a bit too OP venom, so its nerf the venom or buff the players

[frank tapir]

why not just directly nerf dilo

[wooden agate]

NO! we NEED more mutations that specifically target 1 or 2 animals!!

[hallow geyser]

because it took like 2 years to nerf cera

[frank tapir]

why would adding the mutation take less time?

[wooden agate]

wasnt cera considered pretty bad when it dropped lol

[hallow geyser]

carno was 1800 kg

[wooden agate]

what does that have to do with the price of eggs

[hallow geyser]

waht

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-gif-25592479

[wooden agate]

exactly

there is no correlation there lol

carno being op was not the reason cera was considered pretty bad

it was just pretty bad lol

[hallow geyser]

idk, i just made a request man, if you want to do a dilo nerf, just do it, ill give my ✅

[wooden agate]

the only thing it really had going for it was vomit lock

[hallow geyser]

so now you saying cera is bad rn

[wooden agate]

you objectively can not vomit lock right now

because theres a 20 second cool down on vomitting via cerato

[hallow geyser]

still OP, but not like dilo

[wooden agate]

you may get an extra bite in, sure, but damage cancels the animation anyway

so rework dilo to actually have to engage with its hunts instead of just giving other playables a mutation that only targets 2 animals lol

[hallow geyser]

well, yeah

you guys right, better nerf dilo

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt say a nerf is needed, moreso just a change of how it goes about its hunts

[hallow geyser]

its just bite 3 times and run

and dilo bites fast af

im not saying to make dilo useless, just a lil nerf, same with cera bactery

[wooden agate]

ideally this is what i'd do;

• 1 bite on target = 1 charge back after spending it, 5 minute recharge time otherwise
• allow players to actually fight back against the hallucinations as was intended to avoid just dying a slow death to something you can do nothing about
• heavily reduce how severe the symptoms of the venom are during the day, ideally barely doing damage and only moderately blocking vision to ensure it can still be used as a defensive tool

so to actually get the full benefit of the venom, you have to go in and put yourself at risk to keep the hallucinations coming

[hallow geyser]

yeah, thats a good one

[wooden agate]

it keeps dilo venom a major threat without making it baby mode ez to use, alongside ensuring skilled players can properly defend against the venom via hitting the clones

i think it could use the smallest of speed nerfs as well

[normal shuttle]

@hallow geyser call me crazy, but wouldn’t it be far more intelligent to adjust dilo rather than to keep feeding the combat mutations list?

“Just play the meta bro”

[wooden agate]

YOURE LATE!!!!

we already pulled him to our side,.,,.,,

[normal shuttle]

I know

But it’s still there

[barren crater]

no lol

Cerato has never been bad

launch cerato vomit locked everything

[hallow geyser]

I play it, thats why they changed my opinion

[normal shuttle]

Good

[hallow geyser]

thats because people didnt know how to play it

[mighty girder]

Im a much bigger fan of the idea that dilo venom just doesn’t actually do damage but instead works as a way to make you unsure of your health and leans into the panic factor. As long as clones do dmg for you its gonna be too strong or useless imo

[barren crater]

maybe. I remember hunting stegos and carnos and comboing them from 100 to 0 with some friends lol

[hallow geyser]

congrats, tell that to your friends

[barren crater]

they know

[bitter dove]

none of you have heard of sarcasm

[ocean coral]

Tbh I wouldn’t expect sarcasm in this server 😭

[bitter dove]

i dont think theres anyone here who hates cerato and its apex complex more than me

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

every carnivore is dilo now. have fun

"adding depth to lasting combat" in that i just spontaneously get nerfed because i chose to be a herbivore

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

@ornate spade god forbid herbivores and omnivores are any competent and capable, all because their digestive system can process plant matter

[limber hull]

you know how to make a horror game not a horror game? By constantly trying to force the player to be scared by telling them that their character is scared. Immediate nuking of immersion, because if you aren't scared, why is your stego trembling like a baby over 2 sub adult troodons

[normal shuttle]

Fair point

[ornate spade]

its not about that, herbivore should bbe what you play when you wanna mixpack, you see zebra, wilderbeast and gazelle mixpacking IRL you see lions and leopards and hyenas in the same pack ? HELL no

[limber hull]

so why is the herbivore being punished

its the carnivores that do 95% of the chasing in a mixpack

[ornate spade]

they could add a weight requirement to adjust this depending on whats needed

[limber hull]

they also benefit the most from a mixpack because meat

[ornate spade]

why is a stego NOT sccared to lay down with 3 adult ceras and 2 raptors lol

[limber hull]

why would it be?

a single swipe and they're gone

[normal shuttle]

You are kinda out of touch with nature, respectfully

Not only herbivores don’t do that all the time in this game, but also what’s stopping the carnivores from mixpacking too? In fact, herbivores irl have NO symbiotic relationships, unlike carnivores who actually team up quite often

[limber hull]

are you afraid of something you can kill in a single hit, and you know can't do remotely the same to you?

[normal shuttle]

Why would it be? It’s like a human being feeling fear because of tortoises

[frank tapir]

I mean

yes

[limber hull]

imma be real that's probably an irrational fear and i dont think stegos have the brainpower to have rational, let alone irrational fears

[frank tapir]

stego brain reference?

[ornate spade]

every study science has ever done on any animal has proven them to be far smarter than we otherwise thought

[normal shuttle]

Also, fear is species dependent. Many are hardwired to not feel intimidated by predators and they tend to have weapons to face them

I don’t see how a stegosaurus would be any different from an anteater in this regard

[ornate spade]

brain size is in no way any indicator of intelligence

thats like saying women are dumber bc their brain is 11% smaller

[limber hull]

and every study we have done on a stego has proven them to be God's strongest moron lmao

[normal shuttle]

Real

[limber hull]

woah where did this come from

WILD comparison ngl

[ornate spade]

you cant judge an exitinct animal for intelligence lol

[normal shuttle]

You sort of can

[ornate spade]

theyre looking at noothing but brain cavity sizes

is my point, and it is in no way an indicator of intelligence

they have 0 clue how densely packed the neurons were

[limber hull]

you very much can because their brain is literally the size of a walnut carried in a body the size of a car

[normal shuttle]

Because we have many different living things with brains nowadays

You scan the skull of a dinosaur, find o it the cavity size inside there, and then make some calculations based on neuron density and potential connections

[ornate spade]

again thats like sayying women are dumber than men bc their brain is smaller

[limber hull]

again, i'm not even going NEAR that

because that is an entire conversation i am entirely unwilling to have

[ornate spade]

theory crafting, again thats my point

there are correlations you can make, but not proof

[normal shuttle]

Except that other thyreophorans didn’t have a difference so extreme, meaning that it is forcibly not very smart even compared to its own

[limber hull]

don't try and goad me into making some bizarre sexist argument because stegos are believed to be dumb

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https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-veeunus-cat-cat-bath-gif-24674851

[limber hull]

woman is not stegosaurus

[frank tapir]

neurons can only be so dense

[urban flax]

You know what large herbivores do when they're scared ? They murder whatever is scaring them

[limber hull]

leave it there

[ornate spade]

you literally are, if the ONLY infoo we have is brain cavity size, and youre judging intelligence off that, your logic is literally smaller skull = dumber

[woeful latch]

this is such funny message if you read it out of context

[ornate spade]

depends oon the herbivore

[urban flax]

Any large herbivore

[limber hull]

you were the one that brought women into the equation??? despite no one even discussing such a thing????

[ornate spade]

you aint see a gazelle murdering a lioon

[urban flax]

"Large herbivore"

[ornate spade]

i made a comparison, which debunked your logic

[normal shuttle]

Either way,

If a giant anteater can face off a jaguar and not back off, I don’t see why a stegosaurus should feel any fear to 3 omnis or a bunch of ceras. Almost feels like the RAWR CARNIVORES SCARY!!! narrative being pushed

[ornate spade]

is what i did lol

[woeful latch]

what about hippo murdering lion?

[junior nymph]

what is the context behind this 💀

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback-discussion message

yet you don’t see a hippo running away from a jackal, do you?

[limber hull]

You made a comparison which was clearly charged with sexist connotations to make me seem like me calling stego stupid was calling women stupid, which is a really REALLY gross thing to do

[woeful latch]

this is the first message i saw when i saw the chat

[normal shuttle]

Wave has to beat the allegations /j

[junior nymph]

insane lmao

[frank tapir]

a difference of 11% that ignores body size does not debunk the logic of a 6 ton animal not being intelligent because it's brain was the size of a walnut

[urban flax]

Wavepoole is mysigonisticist ?!? 😱

[junior nymph]

errrmmmm mr grass

[ornate spade]

youre judging an animals intelligence, based of brain cavity size, and sayying its dumber... women have a smaller brain size THEREFORE if you believe in this logic YOU MUST belive women are dumber, OR you dont believe in your own logic

so which one is it?????????????

is my point lol

[limber hull]

You REALLY wanna go down this road lol

[urban flax]

What is even going on lol

[junior nymph]

this is a crazy thing to compare

[ornate spade]

so are women dumber? or is your first analysis incorrect?

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[frank tapir]

answer what I said

[limber hull]

If you think stego is stupid you're sexist

[junior nymph]

isnt it brain to body mass ratio or something

[limber hull]

Hell I'm just gonna back out because I KNOW that a mod is gonna see this and I am not even going to dig deeper

[normal shuttle]

DUDE

WOMEN ALSO HAVE ON AVERAGE SMALLER BODIES, this is a moot point. It is not a valid analogy and it’s nonsense to stick to it 💀 💀 💀

[frank tapir]

yes

[ornate spade]

bc science has proven women have more densely packed neurons and therefore are equal in intelligence, we have no way to prove that stegos didnt

[junior nymph]

lol

why we talking abt a stegos brain? please enlighten me

[normal shuttle]

Either way, your suggestion is anti herbivore

[woeful latch]

what women have to do with stegosaurus, this is such wild and unnecessary comparison holy meow

[normal shuttle]

The isle glazers excommunicate you!

[urban flax]

Among other things yeah
Brain to body size ratio, neuron density, head height (higher head means better oxygenation and more smarts), overall body energy consumption, amount of brain allocated to perception, cognition, memory and controlling the body

[junior nymph]

thank you bubulblu 🙂

[ornate spade]

it doesnt much, its just the most outrageous thing that highlights the stupid logic so thats what i used

could say the same thing about corvids

[normal shuttle]

Because apparently stego should be scared of ceras and omnis

Even though it probably is too dumb to feel any rational fear and it may as well be a herbivore hardwired to not be intimidated

[ornate spade]

are males of most species

[junior nymph]

what no

thats actually so stupid a stego should not fear either (ok maybe omnis in a big pack)\

[woeful latch]

hmm

[ornate spade]

if it felt no fear it wouldnt have existed

[urban flax]

Ok but why should ceras and omnis NOT be scared of a stego ?
It's a pile of stabby death coming their way

[ornate spade]

fear is a hardwired survival mechanic

[junior nymph]

is this cause of the fear thing suggestion

[urban flax]

Fear of actual threats

[junior nymph]

which would not work in a game controlled by humans

[ornate spade]

without it most animals would go extinct, look at the dodo, it went extinct literally because no fear

[normal shuttle]

If it felt fear for something so small, then what’s the point of having a weapon like that on the tail if it’s gonna be sobbing and trembling against an allosaurus? It would just get bodied by something like torvosaurus

[junior nymph]

this aint real life though...

[ornate spade]

omnis should be assumed theyre in a pack, if you see one lion do you suddenly think its on its own?

[normal shuttle]

Also no, fear isn’t necessary for survival

See geese, whose lack of fear is their survival strategy

[urban flax]

Also it's safe to assume that's stego's reaction to stress would be to swing its tail towards whatever is the cause of said stress

[junior nymph]

depends

[limber hull]

this implies carnivores are incapable of fear

[ornate spade]

ok but the dinos that hunted it worked around it, it evolved these massive weapons to help protect it bc its predators were ruthless killing machines

[urban flax]

They're strong, they don't need to fear

[normal shuttle]

Dodo had to deal with things it wasn’t adapted to. Stegosaurus for sure wouldn’t be terrified because a Marshosaurus suddenly walked by

[junior nymph]

but IMO fear just wouldnt work, make the player get scared cause big thing or make them pay not just make it a mechanic it would just be a dumb thing since you would see theres a debuff and be like oh somethings near me

[ornate spade]

one serious bite from a predator means death for the stego. i think this game has made you think that the predator has to bite it 400 times

[frank tapir]

this game isn't real life

[junior nymph]

its a game not real life lmao

yeah lets make trike 1 tap everything!

[ornate spade]

yeah i literally said make the debuff start at 2-3 minutes after theyve been hanging around

[junior nymph]

lets make rex 1tap everything! lets make a allo 1tap a stego!

[ornate spade]

so youve likely already seen it

[junior nymph]

stalking is a thing.

[normal shuttle]

They were no more ruthless killing machines than they are now

[junior nymph]

I have stalked things for way longer

[urban flax]

But if the carnivore hasn't been attacking you for over 3 minutes, how does that make it more scary ?

[normal shuttle]

Predators I mean

[ornate spade]

i never said it should, im saying in real life. you acted like stego would be indestructible just bc it has a tail spike

[normal shuttle]

Also this

[urban flax]

Omni pack running towards me : kalm
Solo omni resting on a rock nearby : panik

[junior nymph]

like we have said the games not real life...

[normal shuttle]

It very much is for one omni or cera tho. It should be mildly amused by the idea of one of those trying to scare it

[frank tapir]

you said immediately

[ornate spade]

an omni pack circling around you for a few minutes would be scary no?

[junior nymph]

its a game! I dont think anyone would like to grow a stego for 6+ hours just to die to a cerato in 1-2 hits cause it bit its head or something cause thats realism

[ornate spade]

immediately small stat decreases

[junior nymph]

and not much people would like that

[ornate spade]

not suddenly bam 90% less damage

[normal shuttle]

Also the fact that ONLY CARNIVORES inflict fear

I guess that a 20 ton shant running towards you isn’t as frightening as a sub cera

[ornate spade]

itll take minutes to ramp

[junior nymph]

you would still see a debuff.

[urban flax]

Depends
If I'm a stego, not really
Also since the game can't guess wether omnis are actually circling me or running around like headless chickens like most of them do, most of the time the fear effect would make no sense

[frank tapir]

it's still a debuff

[normal shuttle]

Or a theri

Troodon is scarier than theri if either is chasing you gang

[ornate spade]

yeah 0.2% damage debuff is doing what exactly lol?

[urban flax]

Eating meat makes you immune to fear

[junior nymph]

notifying that theres something near you

[frank tapir]

reduce the damage you deal

[urban flax]

Absolutely nothing
Makes me wonder what you would expect such a mechanic to achieve

[normal shuttle]

Having a digestive system made to process plant matter increases the size of your amygdala by 800%

[ornate spade]

you could make the notification pop up after 10%+ or, adjust the numbers

[urban flax]

You just gave me a superhero idea

[normal shuttle]

Peak

[ornate spade]

its a suggestion, not a fully finished idea lol?