general-feedback-discussion

[gilded drift]

No, deino is the only reason people have to be cautious around water

[limber hull]

that... has nothing to do with what he said tho

[gilded drift]

What is more logical? Rex having bonebreak or deino?

[limber hull]

you can have deino make people be cautious AND make it better designed lmao

[limber hull]

rex probably

[urban flax]

Then it is majestically failing at its job because people aren't being cautious around water any more than they used to be before deino

Because they just drink at safe spots to avoid it, or rely on pure luck

[urban flax]

Rex

[limber hull]

deino doesn't really have any way to capitalise on a bonebreak since the prey can just leave

[limber hull]

that too

[gilded drift]

Are you being illogical on purpose? First you say that the devs wouldn't benefit from unlimited money in any way - shape or form
(until erik eden came and you bowed down, admitting to lying about your opinion just because u don't like "my narrative")

Now you're saying players aren't more cautious around water than they were before deino? what?

Why do people hesitate to drink from most spots in populated areas? Deino's existence

[limber hull]

i love how you brought up something entirely unrelated to the conversation lol

also he didn't say that at any point

[gilded drift]

Bulbulu has lied about his opinions before just to win an argument/discussion, so of course I'll bring it up and assume he's doing the same thing now

[gilded drift]

What did he not say

I gurantee you, you can try to answer that question and I will pull up a screenshot showing you he said exactly what you think he didn't lol

Yeah exactly, and anyway this has nothing to do with bonebreak

Why is it more logical for REX to have bonebreak and deino not?

[limber hull]

because rex can capitalise on it

deino? not as much

if we're talking realistically, lol

[gilded drift]

deino would be able to punish players more for drinking water

[limber hull]

okay but its not about "punishing" it should be about actually finishing them off

being a pest doesn't really help deinosuchus at all, it's not pachy

like in all situations you'd be better off just drowning it rather than fracturing it

[gilded drift]

Okay here is my undebatable statement on it

Rex having bonebreak, would make it ALOT more powerful in its position
(being able to capitalize on it and just doom a dinosaur with a legbreak)

Deino can't exactly chase a stego down after fracturing its body, it's just punishing

Would Rex be more powerful than deino with bonebreak? or the other way around?

[limber hull]

but that's exactly the point, deino can't DO anything with it, it's just there to be a mild nuisance

you proved my point, it exists purely for deino to be a mild annoyance (not to mention with how fracture damage works, deino would have to likely attack stego multiple times to GET said fracture, in which it'll just get powerswinged a few times and die for the sake of being a mild irritant)

[gilded drift]

rex would be more powerful than necessary, with bonebreak
deino would not be

[limber hull]

sure, but deino would gain no value from having it, rex would

you seem to be under the implication that rex is already a set power that would be overtuned with the addition of fractures, despite not knowing where rex stands balance wise due to it not being implemented

[gilded drift]

We all have a good idea of where rex stands

[limber hull]

do we? we have zero actual gameplay of it in any matchup

the most we know are leaked stats that very well might be placeholder, as it was with trike

[urban flax]

I'm back, what did I miss ?

[urban flax]

I was getting on your level

[urban flax]

Uh nothing interesting it seems

[urban flax]

Also the question wasn't about infinite money
It was about 30K $, which isn't that much for a game's development

[gilded drift]

You make stuff up and then leave when someone you respect calls you out on it lmao

[gilded drift]

30k?

[urban flax]

Which is precisely what you do every conversation you engage in
Apart that you never leave because you don't respect anyone

[gilded drift]

is it pathological or what? these lies are insane

the amount of times i mentioned "million" and "Infinite" must have been more than two dozen

[urban flax]

after asking the question

[gilded drift]

😆 😆

[limber hull]

you quoting yourself isn't a reliable source

[gilded drift]

what is going on w you

[gilded drift]

i said 300m and infinite, he says i said 30k. what?

[limber hull]

i have a question for you

why do you care so much lmao

[urban flax]

ah it was 300M
I guess it wasn't important enough for me to recall perfectly

[gilded drift]

i don't like when people

• avoid questions
• change words
• lie about something to win a discussion

all of which, this dude is living on

Dude's used to lying

[limber hull]

that's surprising to me i'll be honest

[urban flax]

I told you before, I'm only doing this with you specifically

[limber hull]

eh, i've known him for a while, it's just you who gets that lmao

you're lucky like that

[gilded drift]

Bro answered one of my questions, and then when I showed it was a dumb answer - he refused to answer any more yes or no questions

and then when erik came, he admitted to lying
it's just not a reliable behavior

[gilded drift]

You argued with a point that you didn't even believe in, just to oppose the truth

300 million extra dollars would help the development's speed and quality no matter what you say

i'm right and if you deny it you're wrong, simple as

[limber hull]

well, you making them "yes or no questions" is kind of the problem, because you very much use that strategy to construct a narrative using very defined ultimatums in which no rational person would want one of them

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-skul-gif-26374804

[limber hull]

yes or no questions only work if those are the only two options. you use it for more complex questions with multiple layers

[gilded drift]

how can i construct a strong valid point with the "Yes or no" questions, if the point is wrong?

[limber hull]

and then get angry when people answer them appropriately

[gilded drift]

There is nothing wrong with yes or no questions, you're sensitive for not liking them

[limber hull]

well, there's the thing, you can't

your point relies on creating ultimatums

[gilded drift]

Yes or no questions are very good at forcing someone to simplify their belief, making it easier to get to the bottom of the problem

[limber hull]

so that you either illustrate whoever you're against as a fool, or force them to agree with you

[gilded drift]

Yes or no questions are necessary

[limber hull]

they're not

[urban flax]

There it is
The exact reason why everyone hates you

[gilded drift]

Yeah they are, you just don't like them because it forces you to not be wrong lol

[limber hull]

you can have a debate without forcing an ultimatum

i don't like them because i want people's real thoughts, not something i've forced them to pick between

[gilded drift]

I don't debate to debate, I want the solution and "yes or no" brings it faster

That's how I managed to make fun of the dude, because he answered "No" to a question that is an obvious yes 😆

[limber hull]

exactly

it's a far more complex question, but you made him to be a fool because you forced him into an ultimatum

exactly my point

you use it as an excuse to weaponise disagreement

[urban flax]

And I'll keep doing that everytime you ask one of yours absurd "yes or no" questions
If that makes you happy somehow that's a bonus

[gilded drift]

Refusing to answer questions just proves you're insecure about being right in the current discussion

if you think you're right, you shouldn't be scared

[limber hull]

because the question itself is not a yes or no question, but if you phrase it as one, it becomes either

"you're an idiot"
or
"you agree with me therefor i win"

[gilded drift]

if you answer yes to a question and it ends up provingmy point, then why are you even debating anymore

[woeful latch]

another day another peak isle discussion

[urban flax]

This place never gets boring

[limber hull]

you keep confirming my points and that's really funny

[woeful latch]

true true

[gilded drift]

@urban flax here's your best friend

there is no force, it's just yes or no

[minor field]

Riveting

[limber hull]

how tf do you keep track of this lmao

[urban flax]

There is very much force
I'd post the "how to argue like an a*hole" picture I get in my Pinterest feed every so often, so we can see how it compares to the way you "optimize" your debates
Sadly I haven't saved it

[urban flax]

That's called worship

[limber hull]

why do you care this much about this discord, i forget everything that's said in here like the day after

[limber hull]

genuinely feels like it. man has so many quotes specifically from whoever for whatever

[limber hull]

truly, the heights of intrigue

[rotund fractal]

@wispy abyss " it is a horror game, not an animal simulation" it is a survival animal game actually and i wrote (horror) because for somone it is also a horror, for others not

[gilded drift]

I don't forget other people's stupid behaviors

[minor field]

I love false dichotomies

[gilded drift]

when it comes to proving someone's wrong

[limber hull]

that's somewhat sad

[gilded drift]

that statement was purely related to debates

[rotund fractal]

@urban flax no

xDD

[urban flax]

No what ?

[limber hull]

i hope you find something more positive to do with your life lol

[rotund fractal]

joking because of your no on screenshot xD

[urban flax]

Oh right

[gilded drift]

The time you spend here typing as many messages as me, is as productive as me typing whatever i'm typing

it's all not productive, this is a discord discussion bud

i do muay thai, i hope you find something good to do

mr 30k messages

[urban flax]

In all honesty, I prefer defending an undefendable opinion than agreeing with a certain kind of people

And if you keep asking me obvious yes or no questions which only have one possible answer I'll keep answering the answer you don't want to hear

[gilded drift]

nevermind i mean, mr 140k messages. holy

[limber hull]

and yet, despite that, i don't actually spend my memory on thinking about those who have wronged me on the internet

[gilded drift]

You prefer to spread misinformation by defending something wrong, rather than agreeing with me?

So if I say "germany was the bad guys in ww2", you'd rather disagree with me than accept the truth?

[urban flax]

We've gone way offtopic

[limber hull]

god damn

[gilded drift]

Lmfao you keep proving yourself to be illogical

[urban flax]

What

[limber hull]

random radical extreme

[gilded drift]

No matter how annoying someone else is, if they say "grass is green" i will agree w it

[urban flax]

That's because you've never met yourself

[gilded drift]

it was an example to show how illogical bubu is

[minor field]

I love this discord sm

[urban flax]

You do have a way of finding examples
A very specific way

[gilded drift]

"i'd rather spread misinformation than admit someone i don't like is right about a fact" lol

[limber hull]

it's based on an imaginary situation you made up in your head

[gilded drift]

Examples are a good way of showing you don't know what you're talking about

[limber hull]

but he never did that tho

it's an example of a radical extreme that never happened and never would happen

[gilded drift]

hypotheticals are made up situations, does it mean they're not useful? NICE LOGIC mr 140k messages

[urban flax]

Who is "you" here ? Is it me or you ? Or people in general ?

We're still way off-topic tho

[gilded drift]

theories are to a certain degree "made up scenarios", does that mean they serve no purpose? nice logic mr 140k

[urban flax]

But I did expect the conversation to end this way

[urban flax]

Theories are usually based on evidence or logical conclusions

[limber hull]

thanks, mister alt account

[minor field]

Mr 140k (Nice Logic Niche)

[limber hull]

omg

[gilded drift]

"i spread misinformation"

[urban flax]

New name found

[urban flax]

It's just my opinion, glad that you take it as a fact but you really shouldn't

[woeful latch]

ahah

[gilded drift]

You literally just said you prefer defending something you know is wrong, rather than admit someone you don't like is right

that just proves you're not credible

[woeful latch]

what’s that username lmaooo

[gilded drift]

No matter how much of a liar and a bad person I think you are, I'll still agree with you if you say "quetz is a good addition to the game"

[gilded drift]

Do you know what petids pieds is?

[woeful latch]

yes

question still stands

[urban flax]

I never implied you were right in any conversation

[gilded drift]

300 players with 60fps and low ping

[urban flax]

Agreeing with someone can imply both are wrong

[gilded drift]

Are you sure you want to stick w this? 💀

[woeful latch]

i know, question still stands

[gilded drift]

Yeah, agreeing with someone doesn't mean they're necessarily right

[woeful latch]

some wild petits propaganda

[gilded drift]

How is it propaganda

Officials won't have good fps (with 300 players) until years from now

[urban flax]

Why wouldn't I

[woeful latch]

it’s easy to sustain just one or two servers, there’s like 30 officials

[midnight token]

guys where can i report an hacker? because i was an full adult diablo with full health and got killed by an baby cera..

[gilded drift]

ok and? petids's gateway is way more alive than officials, it's way more fun

petids is 3 officials in 1 map

[urban flax]

There's channels for official servers of each region where you can ping an admin

[midnight token]

thanks!

[gilded drift]

@urban flax here you admit that 300 million dollars technically WOULD help the game's development

[gilded drift]

proving that you agreed w me, implying i was right

[minor field]

🪤

[gilded drift]

now that that's proven, the topic ain't necessary anymore

[urban flax]

If we talk about the entire conversation, I don't think you were "right", no

You did state a few obvious facts, but your point was, and still is, completely absurd

[minor field]

It’s pointless

[urban flax]

I know, I'm just having fun

[woeful latch]

😳

[woeful latch]

it is

[urban flax]

What was it already ?
Oh yeah, global VC bringing millions of dollars to the devs overnight

[limber hull]

the cheese

[gilded drift]

my point was that fact
and you agreed w it lol

[woeful latch]

cheeseee

[urban flax]

Interesting statement

[gilded drift]

my point for close to an hour, was "infinite money/300m will help the development"

your point was "no it won't" for an hour until erik came

and then you agreed with the fact, in defeat, so you agreed w me

[urban flax]

So that's how you see it

[gilded drift]

no that's what it was lol

The conversation's topic for close to an hour was specifically about the money and development

[urban flax]

I'm afraid I don't recall perfectly, could you show me some screenshots ?

[minor field]

The bait is very inticing

[gilded drift]

You don't know how to check your own message history despite 30k msgs?

[urban flax]

I prefer when you post screenshots

[wooden agate]

adult deino will ruin adult suchos lol

if youre talking about subs/juvies... yeah duh

so lungeable in the water lol, where theyll mostly be fighting you

[woeful latch]

the fact that this discussion is still going is wild

[wooden agate]

deino is not getting buffs to contend with something like the land apexes because its not meant to. this is confirmed by kissen. no hooting nor hollering will fix it

[woeful latch]

reminds me of cheesy and flows cera discussions

endless suffering..

[wooden agate]

i missed all of it im just picking up where i left off

[woeful latch]

fair

[minor field]

Its pretty much the deino having fractures guy using a motte and bailey over and over until it devolved into this

[gilded drift]

@wheat drift just play on petids

officials are just not good

like they're bad, genuinely bad

[leaden bronze]

dude why are u advertizing pettits 24/7 😭

[gilded drift]

i'm not an admin or a mod or anything there

officials are just bad and don't deserve any attention because servers like petids exist

[limber hull]

tf does that suggestion even have to do with petids

petids doesn't even change the spawn zones lmao

[gilded drift]

eu4 official has less fps than petids even though petids have 300 cap

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-angry-black-sad-gif-13761237589791439872

[gilded drift]

Do you lack a thought process?

[gilded drift]

"None of the spawns are meaningful, they all require hours of walking/swimming for player interaction"

"deino groups are basically non-existent"

The main problem here is that he misses player interaction

[woeful latch]

okay, but what that suggestion has to do with petits

petits doesn’t change the spawns

[limber hull]

Last I played on petits, the hotspot still at south plains lol, so deinos would still wanna go there

[gilded drift]

if you're bored because you don't find enough interaction, don't play official

[gilded drift]

south plains, highlands, north jungle are all hotspots

and throughout the map, you'll find players

[woeful latch]

omg you actually changed your username to mr 140k xdddd

[limber hull]

I just prefer not dealing with high ping and rules, so me no likey petits

[woeful latch]

that’s so peak

[leaden bronze]

no rules make server a bad served imo

[woeful latch]

with no rules you can play however you want

[gilded drift]

Petids gateway is active everywhere, and has more hotspots

Officials are irrelevant and bad

[limber hull]

i frankly prefer no rules. i find admins on isle servers quickly become exceptionally... nosey

[woeful latch]

i’ll be honest 300 players is too much for small map like gateway, it’s okay if you want constant player interaction, but you know if there’s players everywhere it’s getting boring

[limber hull]

like the time i got stalked by some admins for breaking their rules that apparently were only enforced for me and my friends, while "regulars" got a free ticket to just ignore them

[gilded drift]

Official gateway is pretty empty, 100 players is simply not enough to make the map alive

[gilded drift]

Anecdotal alleged irrelevant experience

[woeful latch]

around 200 is good, 300 is just wild, especially in places like sanctuaries

[urban flax]

tHIS IS PEAK COMEDY

[limber hull]

you've taught me a lot

[urban flax]

oops

[limber hull]

anyways

[gilded drift]

How is 300 wild for gateway?

[limber hull]

officials have better ping for me so me likey more

[woeful latch]

because gateway is not big enough for 300 players

[limber hull]

also i despise how petits spawns FULL ADULT DEINOSUCHUS CORPSES for free around the map

[woeful latch]

i don’t like players being everywhere

[gilded drift]

How is it not?

[limber hull]

that is unnecessary handholding for so many creatures

[woeful latch]

too many interactions, too many players

[gilded drift]

Ok go have your fun growing in a corner of the map in 100pop , you definitely one of those

[limber hull]

you can also grow in a corner on petits lol

that impacts nothing about the mighty cornergrow meta

[gilded drift]

Attacker's problem was lack of player interaction, that's why i suggest he just go play on petids

[gilded drift]

harder on petids than on official

[limber hull]

his problem was that it was hard to get to south plains lol

[woeful latch]

i’m having tons of fun, if i want more player interactions i go to the hotspots, if i dont i stay at the less populated spots, on petits players are everywhere

[gilded drift]

@limber hull ultracrepedarian subserviant ass observation

[gilded drift]

the only way for you to get player interaction is to go to hotspots? 😆 that should not be a thing

in petids you always have to be aware, that makes it more realistic survival-wise

you're always immersed

[limber hull]

south plains is still the hotspot on petits. he'd still struggle to get there

[gilded drift]

this ain't DoD

[woeful latch]

i said “more”

[urban flax]

Wait petits does that

[limber hull]

you bet

[gilded drift]

Nope

[gilded drift]

at least 200 of my hours is in petids, both NA and EU. you're just lying lmao

[woeful latch]

definitely does with carno corpses if there’s a lot of carnivores starving

[inland vigil]

Petits has a lot of problems and has to constantly shoot carnivores in the foot in order for the server to not blow up from corpse count. A good in-between would be better for population

[limber hull]

i know it does because all of my mates who play on petits a ton say it does, and i just keep stumbling upon full adult deino corpses

[gilded drift]

it won't blow up from corpse count regardless homieboo because of corpse despawn mechanic

[limber hull]

play cera, go to the shore, sniff, and there's a bunch of random dead animals out miles into the ocean that shouldn't be there. Those are the corpses designed to deal with the "lack of AI"

there's stegos out there for some reason

[gilded drift]

corpses despawn alot fyi

and no. the lack of ai is to force player interaction

[inland vigil]

If you read the entirety of my message, you would see that I already addressed that

[limber hull]

i've had 5 regulars of petits tell me the server does spawn these corpses, and you tell me it doesn't

[gilded drift]

it doesn't spawn corpses what?

[woeful latch]

it does lol

[limber hull]

it def does

[inland vigil]

Yes there is a system to spawn corpses for juvies

[limber hull]

(except it also spawns full adult deinos for some bizarre reason)

i know this because i FOUND said full adult deino just kinda lying around in the middle of nowhere

and i was super excited till my mates said "nah, that's a spawned corpse"

much less interesting after that

i thought i stumbled across something super rare, but it was apparently a common thing

[junior nymph]

HES NOT

[inland vigil]

It's new. And the root cause of needing that system is that carnivores are struggling due to lack of AI and insanely high player count causing body wipes which then requires "help" for carnivores. Which is really a not super great experience

[junior nymph]

caps lmao

[gilded drift]

frolo come on we played tgt yesterday

[junior nymph]

spawning corpses is their way of getting more players

[gilded drift]

what do you prefer, officials or petids?

[limber hull]

oh no

[urban flax]

oh yes

[woeful latch]

bro it’s “petits” not petids

[inland vigil]

Playing without the carnivore handholding system was night and day. I would find immediately adult maia corpses, adult carno corpses, etc, right after respawning as a baby. The issue with this system is that is has to exist in the first place due to corpse wiping, and corpse wiping has to exist due to extremely high player population. So like I said- a happy population medium would fill out the map a little more while also not destroying the frames and performance enough to facilitate corpse wipes for lower end hardware

[woeful latch]

how many times you will call it petids lmaoo

[gilded drift]

pieds works completely fine and 300 seems pretty perfect as a pop

[inland vigil]

You can say it works completely fine but that is simply not true

[urban flax]

I wish corpses could not tank performance as much

[junior nymph]

well petits aint that good, the only good thing are the player counts and stuff it gives (other servers do the same anyway) I dont like the way admins are meant to act. with not allowing you to appeal but they keep you in the discord to make their server bigger than what it seems. admins arent meant to act like petty tyrants while the owner himself acts like a petty tyrant favoring people who are streamers. Its so dumb I jsut want a server thats fair to the players. I want a server the size of petits that is actually good and acts upon appeals and gives actual warnings. so

[limber hull]

lol

[gilded drift]

petids has a tyranny issue?

[limber hull]

true tho

[junior nymph]

yes.

I got banned for a petty thing

[haughty folio]

That's unsurprising

[limber hull]

have you not seen all the stuff surrounding it atm? it permabanned a streamer over literally playing on a server that wasn't petits

actually hysterical tho ngl

[undone pewter]

You were clearly stream sniping. We saw you on multiple replays where it was obvious while you also were in the guys twitch chat

[urban flax]

Poutine has been summoned

[gilded drift]

wait what? we played yesterday night
When did u get banned

[junior nymph]

buddy thats his side of the story I joined his stream after what happened 😐

[limber hull]

he wasn't. he has several people who can vouch for him

[leaden bronze]

stream sniping is a serious ruining steamers experience thingy

[woeful latch]

frolo got exposed lmaoo

[gilded drift]

poutine is better at managing petids than the devs are at managing officials

[junior nymph]

gulp

[leaden bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/896957718584250438/blah-6.gif

[haughty folio]

Minimal effort is better than no effort yes

[junior nymph]

like sure ban me i dont honestly care.

[leaden bronze]

thats fax

[gilded drift]

we played troodon yesterday like when did it happen

[limber hull]

i haven't seen the devs ban anyone unfairly

[haughty folio]

This is probably beside the point of any general feedback posts though

[junior nymph]

dont need to harass me bro like come on

[cyan flame]

That seems to be rather common these days

[leaden bronze]

where did we took on the harass road?

[inland vigil]

I have a brand new Alienware PC and still experience high ping swings and severe fps drops in areas with a large number of bodies or petits, which as mentioned is fixed by corpse wipes (unless they have a 'ddos attack' which more likely probably means their servers are overloaded). Corpse wiping is inherently damaging for carnivore players as it ruins the enjoyment of hunting and killing another player, and I have personally lost almost every player body I hunted to a wipe, causing me to stop trying to play on the server.

The fact that such frequent corpse wipes need to happen in the first place is due to performance issues, which is due to high body count, which is due to high population. All I'm saying is that I don't want officials to have these same issues. This a happy medium of maybe ~150-170 players instead of 100 or 200+ would be nice.

[woeful latch]

i saw flows typing..

[gilded drift]

who is flows

[junior nymph]

lol

[leaden bronze]

ping is purely of your wifi connection and wifi card

[gilded drift]

that's your anecdotal subjective opinion, doesn't happen to me so

[limber hull]

it's funny that it spawns corpses, then has to delete them because there's so many corpses

[gilded drift]

i have a legion 5 pro laptop and i seem to be doing better than your pc lol

[woeful latch]

aren’t corpse cleanups automatic?

[inland vigil]

Great for you?

[gilded drift]

players of official will always complain about lack of player interaction

so petids is the only solution

[icy lion]

I think this has strayed awful far from being #general-feedback-discussion

[woeful latch]

it’s petits LMAOOO the fact that you keep typing it wrong says a lot honestly

[gilded drift]

petids was a suggestion to someone saying they miss player interaction in #general-feedback

[limber hull]

this started because south plains doesn't have a deino spawn lmao

[junior nymph]

lol

[haughty folio]

Aye, came in to see if anyone had been talking about Deino south plains spawn, and saw all'a this instead

[icy lion]

I know, and it's been thoroughly derailed in my view

[inland vigil]

I am quite literally only saying 150-170 pop is better for lower end devices because higher pop causes corpse wipe or body assistance systems to have to be implemented which cheapen the experience of the game. Full stop. Please stop focusing on the fact I dislike petits because you like petits. It is merely an example for use of what I would prefer the official servers do not do.

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure there can be other options than that particular server

[woeful latch]

LMFAAOO

[gilded drift]

well yeah but most of them have snowflake rules

[cyan flame]

I'm sure someone could argue that for Petits as well

[leaden bronze]

nah, its alright, we just went a lil bit more onto discusing the general feedback feedback's discusion

[undone pewter]

This is a circling convo anyway. We get daily suggestions about lowering playercap and doing X and Y. Can't please everyone

[haughty folio]

Anyways in my incredibly humble opinion, Deino players can all go suffer for choosing to play as the RNG environmental hazard

[gilded drift]

Petits has basically no rules wdym

[cyan flame]

Anyway, player interaction on officials may or may not be lacking, especially if the statement of not seeing people all the time still applies. Not sure on that one though.

[leaden bronze]

300 players is good dont change

[woeful latch]

omg he typed it right, he’s evolving

[gilded drift]

yeah thats fair

I honestly look forward to what it's gonna be like when y'all push it to 400 lol, ultimate isle fun

[undone pewter]

I didn't say I would listen to them. I'm just stating a fact. You can't have it all

[woeful latch]

400 is too much for gateway lol

[leaden bronze]

make it 340 c:

[leaden bronze]

its alright, maybe

[gilded drift]

where did you even come from?

[woeful latch]

i mean if you want whole map to be south plains yeah sure

[eager latch]

300 last night and i was honestly not running into anyone highlands, west rail, south plains

[woeful latch]

having constant player interactions is not good.

[inland vigil]

That is another good point in that higher population and constant player interaction makes every area feel like an exhausting war zone

[woeful latch]

basically yeah

[gilded drift]

24k messages, in officials - at least 50% of the map has close to 0 player interaction
that shouldn't be a thing. the map should be alive

[inland vigil]

Please quit spamming stickers and add something valuable to the conversation

[gilded drift]

in officials, it's not survival anymore
in petids, you always have to look over your shoulder

[haughty folio]

Higher player count doesn't increase the population percentage of lesser-used areas of the map. It just makes the "popular" areas worse

[gilded drift]

a survival game should always have you cautious, officials are useless at that

[inland vigil]

The officials are definitely still survival

[leaden bronze]

all the pachys I have annihilated with carno

[gilded drift]

that is absolutely wrong , you don't play pieds

you have never touched pieds in your life if you think the lesser used areas aren't more used in pieds compared to official

[haughty folio]

Why would I choose to walk into a cesspit

[cyan flame]

At the same time, they might not want you to always run into things. You can be cautious on the chance/risk you do run into things, even if you only do so rarely. Since you still don't know when you might.

[woeful latch]

for what reason you check the amount of messages people sent? lmao

[leaden bronze]

there is 10fps on threadripper and rtx a6000 on sp, that makes other places more popular

[gilded drift]

to see how little of a life some people have

[icy lion]

I think we're done here

Move on, all of you

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/meaw-gif-1134719172642368181

[leaden bronze]

wdym?

[haughty folio]

They mean that it's time to stop obsessing over this topic and start anew

[inland vigil]

Can we move away from worshipping pieds and just look at the actual facts of how it feels to play in an area completely saturated by players (arcade type of fighting, too much focus on pvp or avoiding pvp) and a less populated area (wary, silence is uncomfortable, something might be watching you)

At the end of the day the game is survival horror

[woeful latch]

real, let’s find another topic to argue over

[leaden bronze]

guys hop on petits pied to argue more c:

[urban flax]

Maybe it's time to consider different servers with different rules and settings attract different types of players and that's fine

[haughty folio]

Additional dimorphism could be cool if it's not too much effort to do

[limber hull]

translation: stop talking about petits for the love of god

[cyan flame]

Maybe I should offer my take on buffing stego, that ought to be fun

[woeful latch]

lmao

[inland vigil]

No thank you. Arguing isn't discussion. Thanks for stopping the conversation lol

[haughty folio]

Though I struggle to imagine what could be done

[woeful latch]

do it

[leaden bronze]

no need to put god in this convo

[haughty folio]

do tell?

[vernal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[cyan flame]

I'd say that's the whole point of having the ability to change settings/rules and all that

[leaden bronze]

micheal jackson is so majestic 😭

[undone pewter]

This.

[haughty folio]

Prolly oughta take that to offtopic or dms bud

Don't wanna draw the wrath of the admins

[cyan flame]

If there's some proper feedback to discuss about stego, I might, but for now it wouldn't fit "feedback discussion", I was mostly joking as a response to "find something else to argue about", since I'm pretty sure my idea is somewhat controversial at least.

[haughty folio]

Bet

[inland vigil]

God damn it's like this channel is incapable of talking about a feedback related subject 😭 lmfao
Someone give random feedback on a random thing and let's talk about that

[woeful latch]

hmm i still want to hear it

[cyan flame]

@urban flax Now there's a feedback for you, I believe.

[cyan flame]

Mind if I DM you then, it's a bit of an essay xD

[haughty folio]

Send me a copy too rah

[woeful latch]

@cyan flame also this whole time i thought your pfp was thomas😭😭😭

[woeful latch]

yeah sure!

[urban flax]

On it

[cyan flame]

You and half this discord, yes. xD

[woeful latch]

wait i’m not alone lmaoo

[cyan flame]

Oh no, far from it.

[urban flax]

@bold sedge

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[woeful latch]

idk why it looks like thomas…

[leaden bronze]

dont say "god damn" please

[cyan flame]

Will do!

[inland vigil]

There is an ignore/block button if you'd like to use it but you can't police my language, sorry!

I can do the same nws

[leaden bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/do-care-did-ask-jesus-plus-i-love-you-jesus-loves-you-gif-25018430

[inland vigil]

Please don't break the rules to bring up controversial topics I'd rather not get in trouble

@bold sedge what are your ideas on how those debuffs would work?

a lot of people worry about trolling with a stress mechanic and I'm not sure how it would be implemented

maybe it could only apply debuffs to the faster species in an altercation, allowing larger and slower animals to be protected against little mixpacking rats (like a cerato and raptor getting debuffs for hanging around tenos and diablos)... But idk

[bold sedge]

making mix packing or mega more fair or balanced

[leaden bronze]

nerf mixpacking and megapacking 😭

[minor field]

That doesn’t mean anything as far as we’re concerned

[sonic tangle]

Megapacks are ok but mixpacks are bad\

[bold sedge]

your one of those making us suffer

[leaden bronze]

if a carnivore is near herbivore after not dealing any damage to any specie for 10-15min it should get some debuff

[haughty folio]

I feel that any mechanic to "police" grouping limits will either be nowhere near as effective at stopping the behavior and/or far, far too heavyhanded for innocents caught in the crossfire as active moderation

[bold sedge]

yes good point

[inland vigil]

Megapacks are definitely not okay and cause just as much unbalance as mixpacks

[bold sedge]

but im tolking about 30 ceras for example

[leaden bronze]

I just dont wanna fight 6ceras and 4 dibbles at once ok?

[inland vigil]

I encountered 12 dilos as a solo cerato 😔

[sonic tangle]

If you dont want to deal with mix packs dont play Official servers

[bold sedge]

good to hear

[inland vigil]

Twelve. Like what even

[leaden bronze]

that's why mega/mix packing needs to get debuffed or idk ANYTHING THAT IS NOT POSSITIVE FOR THEM 😭

[haughty folio]

Was it 12, or a few and a lot of hallucinations

Important distinction

[sonic tangle]

Your nerver going to see 30 ceras if you do at that point just hide

[bold sedge]

YES THATS IT

[leaden bronze]

it is atleast 4 dilos idk the count of group tho, 4 is ok

[inland vigil]

No it was 12 plus hallucinations meaning it was more along the lines of 36

😂 aka completely doomed

[haughty folio]

[leaden bronze]

mega/mix packers needs to get some debuffs/nerfs imo

[haughty folio]

I normally don't like Ceratos or Cerato players but that's just

[sonic tangle]

How would you nerf a player

[leaden bronze]

his dino

[haughty folio]

Ærgh.

[sonic tangle]

NO how not what

[inland vigil]

I hate ceratos because they megapack just as badly as dilos

Dilo and cerato megapacks are very popular. Followed by carno packs

[haughty folio]

It's unfortunately a case of "best bang for your buck"

[bold sedge]

IM HAPPY I CHANGED SOMEONE TO GOOD

[haughty folio]

Cerato gamig is "spam rmb to win" while dilo gamig is "bite 2-3 times and then spam rmb to win"

[leaden bronze]

after 15 min without dealing damage to any specie while being near to a herbivore for a time of 10min in a "that circle thingy" of 50 meters it should get some kind of fever nerf like fast dehrydration and hunger loss

[inland vigil]

I understand why people do megapacks and how they end up happening (being a lot of generally kind people who want to have fun, or from nesting) but there needs to be something to deter them

[haughty folio]

Both are barely more tolerable than dealing with 1 Deinosuchus

[leaden bronze]

I was always anti-mix/mega packing

[eager latch]

@leaden bronze this tho

[urban flax]

The only nerf that would work against mixpacking is making megapacks and mixpacks scentable from afar, you cannot change my mind

[inland vigil]

Megapacks could likely be handled by parasites but mixpacks are a little less easy to figure out

[leaden bronze]

why do you say if they die that is gonna be bad? like wth

[inland vigil]

This already exists

[bold sedge]

I kinda just ignore them and go to another place

[haughty folio]

The wrath of god has and will always be the best solution to mixpacking, megapacking, and cheating, all in one

[inland vigil]

Unfortunately there is no god. The admins can't be everywhere at once and they're unpaid volunteers with human lives

[eager latch]

Because the punishment to the mixpackers is exploitable and can hurt innocent players

[leaden bronze]

I have found cure to all theese

[sonic tangle]

Mixpacks are a problem but megapacks are not

[inland vigil]

So even if we made mixpacking or megapacking actually against the rules, even admins couldn't solve it

[urban flax]

Die because you didn't notice the deino in the nearby pond you decided to rest on the shore of

[leaden bronze]

50 meters after 25 min? how can an innocent player not see

[hoary ocean]

reverse diet buffs in mix packs

[urban flax]

Yes, it just needs to be made more noticeable

[icy lion]

Have you been to the new south plains region?

[leaden bronze]

faster dehydration + deino in water doesnt count BOOM

[eager latch]

The innocent player.. gets followed.. what can they do

[urban flax]

So deinos are allowed to mixpacks but not the rest

[leaden bronze]

nope, hordetest is buggy

[icy lion]

So deinos can mixpack as long as they stay in the water?

[leaden bronze]

u gonna make me sick c:

[urban flax]

You can still tell how you'd solve the other points, I'm curious

[sonic tangle]

The only mixpacking that is good is with herbs.

[leaden bronze]

deinos cant reliably mixpack as they cant angage in most of fights, all they can do is let someone cross it is like VERY SEEABLE of dude doesnt go away from river or pond

[haughty folio]

I mean, pay them maybe?

[sonic tangle]

Its can

[leaden bronze]

its can what? I did put many things in there

[urban flax]

Yet they do it a lot

[icy lion]

Deinos mixpack all the time

[leaden bronze]

then just leave deino is not gonna jump you when your not near river

[bold sedge]

@vernal ermine I hope they don't even add them because it doesn't fit with the dinos also tf you mean humens with m16s

[haughty folio]

You kinda have to assume a mixpack near a river or body of water is working with a crocodile

[leaden bronze]

4 dibbles and 2 pachys can indeed jump you

[urban flax]

Sure, but how do I know there's a deino underwater

[vernal ermine]

You don't want humaans in game?

[icy lion]

Humans and guns are already in game

[leaden bronze]

yea, pretty most of the times is not happening

[icy lion]

Unofficials can enable them

[leaden bronze]

rly? does it crash my pc?

[icy lion]

You can always find a server that has them disabled once they're officially/fully released though

[urban flax]

We need them on officials !!
Make it happen RIGHT NOW !!!!

[icy lion]

Yea they've currently got some crashing issues

[bold sedge]

Its not the humans its there wepons why cant they just make a spear or somethin it would be more fun for me

[leaden bronze]

when I shot it goes "fatal error" c:, even tho I got r5 7600x

[vernal ermine]

How are they going to defend themselves with spears?

[icy lion]

Your CPU won't prevent fatal errors depending on the source

[sonic tangle]

Trike missing attack sounds

[bold sedge]

yes unfortionatly

[urban flax]

There's also going to be "humans" who use spears

[leaden bronze]

can prevent most of the issues, like 3957153158215801285127581280 bodys at sp

[icy lion]

Propaganda

[urban flax]

But said humans will be 9ft tall monstrosities

[urban flax]

Perfection

[leaden bronze]

when are u adding that humanoid bat thingy

[icy lion]

Me? I'd add it right now if I could

[leaden bronze]

neantherdal after 777 buffs core

[icy lion]

But I'm not a dev, I don't make those decisions

[urban flax]

Can't you just blackmail them ?

[leaden bronze]

become a dev please 😭

[bold sedge]

bro spears are short range and far range but they are better at short range also it can fracture through lung or some other organs so its dangerous

[icy lion]

I think that's a whole other can of worms

[sonic tangle]

do you know if they are going to add trikes attack sounds soon?

[limber hull]

okay but we're talking vs giant dinosaurs

[vernal ermine]

I feel humans with spears are defenseless

[leaden bronze]

a spear is not gonna stop a carno rushing at you at 57,5km/h

[limber hull]

a regular human wielding a spear vs most of the roster?

human dead

[icy lion]

Presumably

[bold sedge]

they hunted mamothes with spears your makin fun of

[urban flax]

Actually that barely, if ever happened at all

[leaden bronze]

mamothes could not run away and humans were simply too overpowered

[vernal ermine]

which server has humans

[urban flax]

And if/when it did happen it took an entire tribe and presumably traps to fell one mammoth

[inland vigil]

I think the faster mixpacking animal could get the debuffs only. For example: a cerato hangs out with a stego. The stego is chilling, living a normal life. The cerato is suffering very increased hunger and thirst drain due to stress from being around a larger animal. The cerato is being punished for trying to use a larger animal for protection. Now imagine the stego has no interest in mixpacking, but the cerato is still hanging around for protection or is scouting for a large megapack that plans to kill the stego. The innocent stego player who cannot run away from this stupid cera who is faster than it enjoys the benefit of a weaker threat- one that might be slower, or be forced to leave his scout position to eat and drink due to his risk of dying. The stego has a better chance of slipping away

[bold sedge]

humen's have something op what is it you tell me?

[limber hull]

there's VERY little evidence to conclude that early humans EVER hunted healthy, adult mammoths

possibly juveniles or weakened mammoths, sure, but healthy adults? hell no, way too much risk

[leaden bronze]

humans are the only thingy to sweat so humans could hunt anything even a bit slower than them

[vernal ermine]

Which server has humans

[urban flax]

Thing is, mammoths weren't slower than humans

[leaden bronze]

little mamoths is what I am talking + no proof c:

[bold sedge]

they hunted weak ones i know or sick

[eager latch]

what about a carno following pachies n such

[bold sedge]

they where faster but they get tired 100x faster than humens

[inland vigil]

Weight (*and diet) should also factor in

[urban flax]

Oh yeah little ones maybe
But when you said "humans killed mammoths with spears" I thought you meant adult ones
Because if we include juveniles I could probably kill a brachiosaurus bare-handed

[bold sedge]

humens are smart thats why we dominated the world

[cyan flame]

Also in game, we're playing, we know what that spear can do, and how easily the human wielding it die.

[leaden bronze]

yea cuz they were wooly and they were very heavy and even todays elephants cant run as long as humans do

[vernal ermine]

Are there any servers w humans?

[leaden bronze]

koala is so braindead tho

[limber hull]

anyway, let's run down humans

gen 1: 9 foot tall, can climb, "human" (not really human), probably can use spears, fast, deadly in close range

gen 2: normal height, moves about as well as a regular human can (slower than a stegosaurus lol), great stamina, terrible melee damage, has guns/vehicles/bases to compensate for how terrible it is without them, basically entirely reliant on its possessions to not die

[eager latch]

fr its not humans vs dinos its humans vs humans in dino bodies

[leaden bronze]

petit pieds probly?

[limber hull]

why tf you gotta slander the koala what did it do

[limber hull]

it does not have humans

[urban flax]

I wish gen 1 had hair...

[cyan flame]

Probably doesn't need weapons honestly (gen 1 that is)

[bold sedge]

I hope they make somethin about humens inteligent abilities and make that useful

[icy lion]

Rebuilding/repairing bases

[bold sedge]

Good point that is a great way of surviving

[bold sedge]

that is what i meant

[limber hull]

inventory management, base/vehicle/weapon repairs, able to use items in general, proximity voice chat are some examples

[urban flax]

Absolutely nothing, that's the issue with it

[bold sedge]

lets go finally

[bold sedge]

But not lethel weapons fair ones would be perfect

[limber hull]

they're gonna be lethal lol

[hollow flume]

Ark clone

[limber hull]

guns tend to be lethal

[limber hull]

i mean, if all it takes is "having a gun" and "dinosaurs existing" to be an ARK clone, lots of MC modpacks are ark clones lol

[vernal ermine]

What's special with petit pieds

[hollow flume]

I can't wait till they add mutants. It's going to be fun being spiderman killing dinos

[leaden bronze]

idk they have human rules i think

yea they do

[vernal ermine]

You can be a human in the server? Like the humanoid

[eager latch]

..there are no humans in petit pieds

[limber hull]

dont start this again

[leaden bronze]

petits pieds gotta be the best server

[hollow flume]

Humans won't be out for a year or two

[limber hull]

also idk what u mean because humans are not on petits

[hollow flume]

Tf are y'all saying

[limber hull]

they're already out

[vernal ermine]

I tried searching "human" on the searchbar but I found no active server with humans

[limber hull]

you can play them atm

[eager latch]

human has been played on evrima for years depending on the server you're on

it's not just not like finished at all but it was there

[vernal ermine]

What would happen if they added that skinwalker after rex? Like this early

[hollow flume]

What servers ?

[eager latch]

i dont know that at this moment

[hollow flume]

So you don't know what your saying

[eager latch]

Buddy

[leaden bronze]

norden survival

[hollow flume]

How many players

[leaden bronze]

a lot

[urban flax]

I think guns should have a special damage calculation that makes them apply locational damage modifiers twice
That's the best way to make them properly balanced imo

[leaden bronze]

powerful or terible ahh

[hollow flume]

So you are saying on norden survival I can play as a human and get guns and vehicles

[vernal ermine]

Not vehicles

[limber hull]

vehicles? no. guns? also kind of no because i think they crash the game LMAO

[urban flax]

You're not getting guns, humans spawn with them
And there are no vehicles yet

[vernal ermine]

How many years before humans are out? In your opinion

We get gta 6 before humans hahahaha

[hollow flume]

Easily

[vernal ermine]

Gta 6 before humans is crazy

[urban flax]

Hopefully 1
Maybe 2 until they're really working and fleshed out

[hollow flume]

Mutants when?

I want spiderman damnit

[vernal ermine]

How many more dinos are we lacking in the roster? Apart from megalania, giga, rex/trike, allo, quetz

[junior nymph]

alot more lol

[hollow flume]

A thousand or so

[vernal ermine]

What should the roster of dinos look like before they add humans?

[hollow flume]

Lol

I wouldn't go there

[limber hull]

honestly? i reckon we'll seen them soon after rex/trike

[hollow flume]

Bc truthfully we should have 10 more dinos before humans

[limber hull]

there's been a LOT done

[hollow flume]

But that's not the vision

[leaden bronze]

add allo already

[urban flax]

There doesn't need to be a specific amount of dinos before humans tbh

In fact, the sooner the better, as otherwise every existing dino will have to be rebalanced to account for the humans

[limber hull]

hard disagree

humans are vital to balance earlier, not later

the later you wait to add humans, the worse things will get for their balance

[hollow flume]

If you added more dinos that are truly different play style from some of the others then game would be epic

[hollow flume]

Makes no sense

[limber hull]

you know what has a truly different playstyle? humans

[minor field]

Makes perfect sense

[limber hull]

makes perfect sense idk how it doesnt

[leaden bronze]

imo dont rebalance dinos but buff humans, dinos should be lethal to humans 90% of the time

[limber hull]

they are

[minor field]

How are you gonna balance 10 more playables around humans if humans haven’t already been implemented and balanced around the current playables

[limber hull]

if you get jumped by a dino, you die

[icy lion]

TL;DR: they are not waiting to add humans until after the entire roster is out, just until after the pillars of dinosaur gameplay are in and sturdy. Likely sometime after elders, we'll have to see if they consider burrowing to be one of those pillars

[hollow flume]

You don't need humans to balance dino gameplay. That's just what this team is going with

[urban flax]

That's a bit early to say this
Some dinos may have it too easy against humans, others too hard, so they'll need a rebalance

[hollow flume]

That isn't a need it makes no sense how it would be a need

The game could be a full dino game if it wanted to be

[leaden bronze]

dinos should be easy to kill uncareful humans

[limber hull]

no, you need humans to balance human gameplay. you add them earlier to balance them around a smaller roster, then make slight adjustments as new dinos are added

[vernal ermine]

In what way will dinos be rebalanced? Like what kind of things will be overpowering humans

[hollow flume]

Okay that makes more sense

[urban flax]

Yes

[leaden bronze]

dinos should kill humans 25/7 imo

[urban flax]

I have no idea, I can't see the future

[vernal ermine]

Wait, so they will stop focusing on dino mechanics eventually?

[urban flax]

Both should be a threat to each other
Dinos should not go out of their way to kill humans because they're easy prey, they should kill humans because ignoring them might get them killed

[hollow flume]

Super dumb but I won't argue. Wouldn't do any good

[icy lion]

What are they going to do when there's no more dino mechanics to make?

Working on humans doesn't mean they won't be paying attention to the dino experience

[vernal ermine]

20 years until that's a reality

[limber hull]

well, yea, of course, dinos don't have infinite mechanics

[rotund fractal]

how cool would it be if you as a human could operate a few facilities that are currently on the map, so Jurrasic Park vibes only just research stations where you as a human then have tasks, like photograph dinosaurs, inspect the dead body of a dinosaur or repair generator in station xy

[limber hull]

hardly. we've basically almost got every core mechanic besides... burrowing, basically

[hollow flume]

Realistically it kinda does

[icy lion]

Oh, I though you wanted to have a conversation about this, sorry

[limber hull]

burrowing is the only core dino mechanic i can think of that isn't completed

[icy lion]

Not focusing entirely on the dinosaur mechanics =/= not keeping them in mind

[hollow flume]

I get your point but I'm saying it does mean something is on the back burner

And a back burner for this team means barely any progress

This isn't a big dev team

[vernal ermine]

What core mechanics do we have?

[latent olive]

it’s gotten to the point where people don’t even recognise the core mechanics, incredible

[hollow flume]

Each dino is very well made imo and has unique mechanics

Pounce for example. Eating as cera to get bile

[limber hull]

sparring, climbing, swimming/diving, night vision, diets, pouncing, grappling, flying, there's more i can;t think of right now but you get the idea

[vernal ermine]

I just don't know the definition, I have a few K hours on the game though

[vernal ermine]

Ohhhh ok, hm

[urban flax]

There's elders too

[hollow flume]

Not yet

[latent olive]

god I need burrowing and a life cycle system please elders

[hollow flume]

Unless that's also on some server server

Secret *

[limber hull]

TRUE, I forgot, elders and burrowing are the two incomplete dino mechanics

and strains, but I personally believe them to be an extension of elders

[hollow flume]

After we add ray guns

[latent olive]

burrowing isn’t even necessarily a core mechanic since it’s specific to certain creatures

[hollow flume]

It's a core mechanic to that creature

[latent olive]

yeah okay “bird dog” (recon plane for the United States military during the Vietnam conflict)

[hollow flume]

Yea I'm good with guns so be afraid owl

I'll take a whole raptor pack down with my pistol

[latent olive]

hop on gen 2 wavepoole server

[urban flax]

I wouldn't consider strains a core mechanic either

[hollow flume]

When you pull out your pistol you can get quick draw mechanic like in red dead and slow motion headshot all the dinos

[latent olive]

depends on how deep they make the system

[vernal ermine]

I wonder how they'll make strains available, like what will you have to do

[latent olive]

not every species will get strain specific forms

but if the strains system allows for advanced forms of mutations, you might get more interesting abilities

[rotund fractal]

I dont like the Idea with weapons

idk why

[hollow flume]

Bc how well they did dinos. You understand that this game stands out

Only to be call of duty

Could be interesting though

[urban flax]

How do you make slow motion work in a multiplayer setting

[vernal ermine]

Yeah tbh, EVRIMA has become superior as the best dino survival game
Humans will either break the game or make it a bit more fun

[urban flax]

I know party animals did that
I have no idea how

[hollow flume]

Big facts

[hollow flume]

It probably wouldn't lol. Was just messing around

[rotund fractal]

If humans come in i hope they doesnt make the game bad

[hollow flume]

It shouldn't. Mutants though? Idk

[vernal ermine]

Maybe an ability causing some sort of uh "domain expansion" making slow motion only a thing within a bubble of the area

[urban flax]

That would look and feel weird for those just outside the bubble
Also hell if multiple humans do that in the same vicinity

[vernal ermine]

The isle as it is now, and the isle with humans, will be 2 completely different games

We just have to hope that the isle with humans, is a game that will work

[hollow flume]

It should bc of Jurassic Park and all that. What do you think about mutants

[vernal ermine]

Mutants? Can you show an example

[urban flax]

It would be a real bummer if The Isle with humans doesn't work

At least there unofficials will be able to disable humans at will if they prove to be too much of a bother

[vernal ermine]

I guess it'll "work" but will it be the isle anymore?

[urban flax]

I wonder if there'll be unofficials with dinos disabled tho
That sounds stupid but why not

[urban flax]

It will only begin being "The Isle" once humans are added

[hollow flume]

So rust without base building

[urban flax]

Precisely

[hollow flume]

Lol no it wouldn't work

[urban flax]

Probably not
Tell that to unofficials server owners

[vernal ermine]

Lmao

[limber hull]

sure

[vernal ermine]

How will that not look goofy

[hollow flume]

That's the most odd thing to me. I get humans but mutants

Yea I don't get mutants

[bold sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[vernal ermine]

What's wrong with them though, balance wise

[vernal ermine]

Let that thing have dilo nightvision, herrera climbing, and hypsi spit

[hollow flume]

Needs acid saliva

So a few bites will make a wound that festers

[limber hull]

it's being modelled too

sick as hell mouth design ngl

[vernal ermine]

Is it already being modelled?

[limber hull]

yep

[vernal ermine]

How strong do you think it'll be

Maybe it'll only take on other humans?

[limber hull]

well, it's still a human, so it'd be extremely squishy

[vernal ermine]

Should humans be able to build structures?

Balance-wise, should they be able to build a base

[limber hull]

there's also this variant of gen 1

[limber hull]

gen 2 (regular humans) will be able to repair and upkeep structures around the island

[vernal ermine]

this is a gen 1 human?

[limber hull]

yes

one of the variants of them

[vernal ermine]

and they eat other humans or

[limber hull]

they're referred to as "cannibals" so yea probably

[vernal ermine]

I don't understand their purpose

[hollow flume]

Not sure they can handle that. Due to everyone saying the have low fps somehow on this game

[rotund fractal]

ohh hell nah the isle Dinogame -> The Isle Aliengame uff:(

[limber hull]

this is always what the isle was intended to be

[urban flax]

Why do people always associate mutants with aliens

[vernal ermine]

Also, shouldn't the server pop be higher before humans?

[limber hull]

had the game been fully funded on kickstarter, i think we'd have seen a very different isle

[vernal ermine]

(Assuming the map will be as big as gateway upon humans' arrival)

[frank tapir]

I hope humans have a seperate population to dinos

[vernal ermine]

Ooooooooooooh

Like, a limit of pop for humans and a limited pop for dinos?

[frank tapir]

yeah

[vernal ermine]

how large should each be? 70/70?

[urban flax]

I don't see why they should do that

[frank tapir]

I think dinos should always be at least 100

[urban flax]

Let people who want to play dinos play as dinos, and people who want to play humans play as humans

[limber hull]

i dont think this is a great idea

[frank tapir]

people complain about how many other dinos they see now, it'll be a lot worse if half the server is humans

[limber hull]

having two seperate queues for every server rather than letting everyone just pick what they want while they're in seems bizarre

[urban flax]

it's the same as limiting carnivores, or limiting apexes, or limiting whatever
It has no real purpose and only serves to hide the design flaws that can come with an unbalanced roster

[vernal ermine]

but shouldn't the current server pop be higher before humans' release?

[hollow flume]

You are making a grave mistake here.

[urban flax]

I think server pop should be higher, but "before humans" ? Why ?

[limber hull]

what

[urban flax]

It's postponing an addition for no good reason

[hollow flume]

It would have to be separate queues

[limber hull]

why??

there's no reason for it lol

[vernal ermine]

Okay so assuming we would still be using gateway, or a map as big as gateway

Won't the map end up being even more lonely, with even more areas harboring close to 0 players - if the pop was 100?
Say 40 of the pop was humans and 60 was dinos - assuming humans will huddle up to survive, how will the map feel alive?

[frank tapir]

I don't think it's the same at all, the gameplay and progression of dinos and humans will be entirely different. Plus I would much prefer to see marjority of a server be juvi apexes than humans

[urban flax]

Dinos huddle up to survive
It won't change a thing

[hollow flume]

100 pop is a game killer anyways. That's way too low

[vernal ermine]

Dinos don't haaaave to huddle up to survive, every dino has its way of surviving
Humans do have to huddle up (i assume) - they're harmless and super fragile

Assuming they will take inspiration from how (not)powerful we are irl

[limber hull]

"harmless"

woe, spas-12 upon thee

[vernal ermine]

How many of the 50 humans will have access to that though

[urban flax]

I remember update 4 hordetest
Back when I got with a bunch of people and we kicked a FG deino to death

[vernal ermine]

20 of the 50 will probably be freshspawns

[limber hull]

probably like 3 maybe lol tbh

[urban flax]

Also I got pounced by a juvie raptor and kicked it to death

And I saw some dude run to a hypsi and kick it to death

[vernal ermine]

I'm just assuming that humans will huddle up way more than dinos will
if that assumption is true, isn't 100 pop too little for gateway?

[urban flax]

I don't think they will
The main way to survive for humans will be to hide
More people means it's harder to hide

[hollow flume]

100 pop is already too little!!

[vernal ermine]

Hm

So humans will instantly go to structures and stuff to hide

How will they be able to roam?

[urban flax]

By taking risks

[vernal ermine]

I feel humans will absolutely need vehicles from the start of their implementation to the game

mutant people existed in legacy?

[urban flax]

Old old Isle had tribal humans

[hollow flume]

Your suggestion for humans is really good though and actually fits into the games theme

[limber hull]

"going down the path" implies they didn't plan to do this since the game was inception

the only difference between then and now is tribals used to be racially questionable stereotypical "native american" type characters, and now they're actually unique

[vernal ermine]

The chance of existing servers that will turn humans off, and still be active with full pop, is imo 100%

[hollow flume]

Oh boy. A woke

[vernal ermine]

Wait so we won't get tribals because they're offensive?

[limber hull]

"a woke"

what does that even mean. Also, no, it just looked dumb

[hollow flume]

I guess native Americans weren't tribal

[urban flax]

That's not the issue lol

[hollow flume]

😆

[limber hull]

im not going to touch that, and also, unrelated to my point

[hollow flume]

"I'm not going to touch on that"

Is it forbidden?

[limber hull]

the point is having a bunch of native american looking characters on dinosaur island looks dumb and makes zero sense how they can survive better than a dude with a gun, armour and vehicles

by making them mutants with beyond human abilities, you can actually make that less dumb

[urban flax]

If they're mutants with hair I'll be happy

[limber hull]

ape hair

gorilla

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-fallishere-gif-18514117

[vernal ermine]

why delete

i was midway reading that

[rotund fractal]

I was rewrite xDD I forgott that you can edit your message xD : But I would say: The thing is, I don't have a problem with normal humans, I posted an idea I like in general, but I'm just not a fan of mutants hyper dinos and humans, that's something I don't find nice at all. of course there are people who celebrate it, and people like me who don't like it at all. I just hope that there will be servers that offer gameplay without mutants

[vital laurel]

@valid brook weve used up 2024-2025s "bucking is useful again" time and now it is back to normal

[valid brook]

lmao

this is the 2nd time i've been pounce by raptors, spend most of my stam with no effect. the first time i died, so this time (knowing what i was doing is stupid and i'd likely piss off a few raptors) i took trucuusfdlasfdj or w/e its called and it had 0 effect. only reason i killed then is cause they kept getting glitched during their pounces or pouncing eachother

[rotund fractal]

but Yeah I also think theres also full server without mutants @vernal ermine

[valid brook]

(im in many different channels chasing cheaters, if yer saying something directly to me, ping me)

[limber hull]

the endless cycle

[rotund fractal]

xDD

[vernal ermine]

tbh

[urban flax]

Hasn't Star Citizen basically ceased development now ?

[sudden shell]

How's this?
I hope you have a good day and don't have to worry about cheaters too much

[vernal ermine]

I think that part was irony/a joke, but I think it's true that things are going way too slow

[urban flax]

To the point where even the devs working on the project don't believe in it anymore

[limber hull]

its bizarre that people say stuff like this when the HT is actively being updated

[urban flax]

How would you make them faster

[limber hull]

also the concept of "throw more devs at it, it'll fix itself" is just silly imho

[valid brook]

handful gone this mornin. Normally when we get on in the mornin the word spreads and they quickly start leaving the servers enmasse

[sudden shell]

Nice!

[vernal ermine]

There are games out there releasing more frequently, despite their releases being more complex than the isle's

With that in mind, why are the devs having a hard time with releases for the isle? Why are the updates not getting released sooner

Like what are they missing, is it manpower or what is it
genuine question

[limber hull]

what games?

[urban flax]

Because small team+huge project+pioneer in its genre

[vernal ermine]

Dead by daylight for example, they release 2 killers and a couple of updates before the devs are even close to finishing 1 playable

[urban flax]

I am convinced that in a few years there'll be a bunch of freaks relasing an Isle 2 with better performance, faster updates and better-designed mechanics

But doing that requires someone walking in the dark and lighting up the way beforehand

[vernal ermine]

Is it because the team is small?

[urban flax]

A killer in Dead by Daylight is ages less complex than a dino in The Isle
Also much, much bigger team

[limber hull]

I'll be real, DbD is HARDLY comparable

[urban flax]

It is because of the 3 things I mentioned

For starters I think I can count the animations required for killers in DbD on two hands

[limber hull]

It has the benefit of having basically every killer follow a very easy formula

The hardest part is animating, modelling and creating the killer's power

I'd say a DbD killer takes, at maximum, 50 unique animations?

Rex has apparently over 1000. It's not comparable

[urban flax]

Idle+variations if there's any
Walk
Attack
Leap over window
Get stunned
Destroy something (often the same as attack)
+2 to 5 animations for their special ability

[limber hull]

True

[urban flax]

As for survivors, each one of them is 0 extra animation work because they all share the same ones
So it's just model work

[limber hull]

Honestly 50 was a massive oversell

[vernal ermine]

Are you saying the isle is the most work-requiring game ?

[urban flax]

Oh there's also versions while carrying someone, + hooking someone
And memento mori
But animations while carrying someone are hardly different and might just be a matter of animation layers

Fun fact : I'm currently animating a dragon for Total war warhammer 3, and it's 57 animations (without variations)
And that's already a lot of work

[sudden shell]

You forgot the totally important and vital feature of steppy on boon totem

[limber hull]

Given that, again, we have animals which need entirely new locomotions, abilities, gimmicks, models (for different stages of growth), skin meshes, diet lists/migratory zones, egg models, nesting mechanics, sounds (for each stage of growth), night vision ranges, stats, attack damages (including gimmicks such as bleed, venom, fracture, etc)

Yea probably lol

[urban flax]

Isn't it the same as destroying anything else ?

[rotund fractal]

I also find that a bit disrespectful, as if he knew how much the game owners earn from it and that they can afford more devs. Above all, proper development takes time; it's better to take more time than to make something buggy. You can't compare The Isle 2 to Start Citizen at all xD

[sudden shell]

It is 90% of the time lmao

[limber hull]

DbD has built itself a formula for the purpose OF making content easier to produce in quick succession

So comparing it to The Isle, a game which purposely goes out of its way to make each animal exceptionally unique with personality and kit, is not really fair

A W+M1 Legion plays exactly the same as a W+M1 Wraith. A Maia plays NOTHING like a Deino

[rotund fractal]

And in addition I'd say the size of the studio also plays a role. There are so many things that play a role in the economics alone, but we can hardly talk about them because it's none of our business and we don't know.

[urban flax]

Uuuhmm akschually since Legion's rework they play VASTLY differently and Legion involves ACTUAL TACTICS and there is a high skill-ceiling and complexity to both characters

[vernal ermine]

Rex in the isle takes more work than 2 killers and game changes in dbd?

[limber hull]

Now what if I don't press right click on either then what's the difference

[rotund fractal]

and to say you earn enought money, have more devs is just: 💀

[urban flax]

Their business is not our business
Hehe
funni

[limber hull]

For SURE it does

OVER

ONE

THOUSAND

ANIMATIONS

[urban flax]

blocked

[vernal ermine]

Would you say the isle is the most hard to develop game?

[rotund fractal]

xD yeah

[limber hull]

No. I wouldn't make a sweeping statement like that

[urban flax]

Are all killers the exact same in Dead by Daylight, yes or no ?

[limber hull]

I would say it's tough

[vernal ermine]

No?

What games out there are harder to update than the isle?

[urban flax]

The most hard ? Not at all

[limber hull]

idk, i'm not a dev for any of them. I think these questions don't really serve much value to anyone tbh

[urban flax]

I think the hardest game to develop out there would be a physics-based game for sure at least

[limber hull]

Playing "who's the bestest dev" isn't really doing much for anyone

[rotund fractal]

I dont think the hardest but its also not easy and Star Citizen have his pysics already and just need to add new ships and and make new planets and co, The Isle Devs need to do with new Dinos also new animations, new physics, new sounds, new movements....

[urban flax]

Physics-based multiplayer game

[limber hull]

Like I'd argue Fortnite would be HELL to develop, but that's backed by billions of dollars in funding and a colossal studio

[vernal ermine]

I gurantee you that when gta 6 releases, its next updates will take way more work than updates in the isle

but gta 6 will still release updates faster and more frequently, so why can't the isle do the same?

[icy lion]

GTA6 is being made by one of, if not the largest and most profitable development studios to ever exist

[limber hull]

Because GTA6 is GRAND THEFT AUTO 6???

One of the biggest video game franchies in the world?

[vernal ermine]

Yeah that's true, you're right
But why would its updates be faster than the isle's, even though its updates are probably way more requiring than the isle's?

[limber hull]

When The Isle sells as many copies as GTA has, maybe you'd have good reason

[barren crater]

It's THE biggest franchise 💀

[icy lion]

The Isle is Afterthought's first and only game, Rockstar has had decades of games and therefore profitability

[limber hull]

Because it has millions, if not billions, of dollars in funding to back itself on

[barren crater]

Not at all comparable lmao

[icy lion]

Because Rockstar has hundreds of developers, if not over one thousand employees

[urban flax]

Because they have about 100x as many people working on them, and have already set plans for when they're going to make updates and what they're gonna contain

[icy lion]

The Isle has around 30 people

[urban flax]

And the game will be pretty much finished by the time it releases so easier to update

[rotund fractal]

Rockstar is a much larger studio, so you can't compare that to that. Furthermore, many games are getting faster updates because there's usually less work to be done, as much of it is already perfectly programmed. Rockstar can easily release a new car and a new story in GTA Online; everything is already programmed, including physics, movement, and so on. The Isle has a lot more to do each time they release new dinos, because some have special new characteristics, which can't all be simply copied from existing dinos.

[vernal ermine]

How does the money make any difference, money can't exactly fast forward time

[limber hull]

Such a bizarre comparison

Biggest video game franchise in the world, and one of the most anticipated titles in the world vs indie dinosaur game

[hoary ocean]

not fair to compare a AAA company to an Indie

[hollow flume]

Yes it can also can we stop talking about this

Really stupid convo

[rotund fractal]

💯

[icy lion]

Money can fund insanely large development crews because developers need to get paid. It can also fund expensive computer programs to use in the game, like physics engines

[rotund fractal]

and licenses

[vernal ermine]

How does more developers mean faster progress?

[barren crater]

is this bait or are you setting something up

[vernal ermine]

Because for example. If I ask BMW to manifacture a car, but within a timeframe that is impossible, it won't matter how much money i give them

[rotund fractal]

The developers probably also want to be paid well, and an indie developer has to be able to afford that first. You're underestimating the impact of labor costs.

[vernal ermine]

I just thoroughly believe that the amount of time this game takes between updates has become unrealistic

[frank tapir]

what do you think would happen if the isle had 1 dev instead of the amount it has right now? Would development time stay the same?

[urban flax]

If you ask 1 person to make you a car you're gonna wait for longer than if you ask a group of 50 people to do it together

[vernal ermine]

So you're suggesting that if the isle just hired more dev teams, the game would get updates and dinos faster

[frank tapir]

if they could do that, yes

[urban flax]

Maybe
But it isn't that simple tbh

[vernal ermine]

Yeah so how can you use the same argument for gta 6 then
If it wasn't that simple, why is the answer to gta 6 getting more frequent updates - due to more devs

[urban flax]

A bigger team can work on more things at once and make progress faster
But a smaller team is easier to manage, especially when breaking ground

[hoary ocean]

depends on scope and execution, the isles original scope was 3 dino’s iirc but to please the community it is where it’s at now

[urban flax]

Because Rockstar has embraced the complexity that is handling thousands of devs working on the same game and has adapted their management to be able to do it efficiently

[limber hull]

okay and how are you gonna find the right people for that job?

"Work on my niche dinosaur survival game with mutants and 55+ roster members" is gonna make most traditional skillsets seem rather redundant

[rotund fractal]

Every Dev costs money, a lot of money, they will paid, no matter you earn with your game money or not, in many countrys you need to pay also social costs for your workers, thats very expensive. so dont write everytime: "How about more devs?" Just Team behind The Isle knows how much devs they can afford

[vernal ermine]

I guess by offering enough money?

[rotund fractal]

guys please learn econimie again thats all not easy

[limber hull]

i dont think you understand how this works

[vernal ermine]

Why don't the team just hire more devs? Like why not just hire more teams, if it's true that more devs = faster progress

[urban flax]

Money can't substitute passion
This kind of project requires passion

[rotund fractal]

do you know that they have enought money?

[vernal ermine]

What's stopping them from hiring for example 50 more devs

[urban flax]

Past mistakes

[limber hull]

maybe they don't want to have to manage more people? The dev team tends to be very close for The Isle, and I doubt just throwing in a bunch of new people really works for how they like to do things

[rotund fractal]

I write it 10 times!

[vernal ermine]

Like what

[limber hull]

That's almost entirely unsustainable

[vernal ermine]

Unsustainable as in financially?

[limber hull]

yes

paying 50 people is a lot of money consistently lol

[urban flax]

Like a certain dev having a disagreement with the project manager and proving they should not have been trusted with the game's development despite being a competent programmer

[vernal ermine]

What's the problem with doing that though

Why not just put some energy in orchestrating larger dev teams

[hollow flume]

Are you still arguing over this useless debate about fkn devs

[rotund fractal]

you can actually hire 50 more devs but what is when you dont need them anymore, Many simply quit, and surprise, in some countries, even termination is expensive. And what if you suddenly don't earn enough with 50 more developers? Assuming you pay $3,000 without taking into account social security contributions and other costs, that's already $1,800,000 more per year!!!!!! But what if you don't earn as much from the game? You see, even with just $3,000, a lot of costs add up. As a company, you have to be careful when it comes to personnel.

[hollow flume]

I see we are autistic today

[urban flax]

Why not spend some energy into learning game development yourself so you can make your own game ?

[vernal ermine]

you should prolly delete that (friendly warning in case you get banned)

[hollow flume]

Is it against the rules?

[vernal ermine]

That's not relevant to the conversation, I'm just curious about the decisions around the isle specifically

What is preventing them from just hiring more devs and managing them efficiently

[urban flax]

It is
If you're not willing to learn game development in its entirety just because someone asked you to, you can probably understand why someone else would not be willing to learn large company management just because someone asked them to, right ?

[vernal ermine]

Ohhh gotchu now I understand your point with the rhetorical question

[rotund fractal]

Just stop telling The Isle team to hire more employees when you obviously can't or don't want to understand the magnitude of these decisions. I find it completely disrespectful to say, "Why aren't they hiring more? Why don't they do things this way?" Sorry for the harsh words, but that's simply unacceptable. And it keeps coming up in the channel where the team is attacked like this!

[vernal ermine]

But that doesn't really correlate
If they're able to speed the development of their game while still keeping the same quality, that's just positive

[limber hull]

here's a simple answer, they don't want to

long answer, orienting, training and managing all those new devs is an effort that takes time away from development, and doesn't mesh well with their very close-knit team design

[urban flax]

What if they don't want to speed it up ?

[vernal ermine]

Why

[urban flax]

Because they're fine with the rate at which it goes ?

[rotund fractal]

I wrote this 10 times
he doesn't understand

[urban flax]

Because Don doesn't believe he would be good enough at management that he would be able to direct more devs into making the game faster without sacrificing his own health, as has happened in the past ?

[vernal ermine]

Developing the game faster with the same quality is just good though for the community, the game would flourish
why is that not in the best interest for the devs?

[rotund fractal]

men read my text and you have the answer

[pliant elm]

@maiden anvil great idea to make Carno even weaker

[rotund fractal]

🤦🏻‍♂️ i cant anymore

[urban flax]

My message above

[vernal ermine]

Does the team have the capacity to hire 30 more devs? If not then I understand why they haven't done it

[limber hull]

honestly? i dont think you ever will

if you can be told why a dozen times and still not get it, i accept the fact that you will never get it

[rotund fractal]

he will never get it I argument it with 20 points and he still doesnt get it or wont

[vernal ermine]

I just acknowldged that I understood

[maiden anvil]

To be fair, do you think a small game hunter should be strong?

[pliant elm]

It shouldn't be too strong (Which it isn't), but it shouldn't be too weak either (Which it would be if your suggestion were added)

The only problem with the current charge is the hitbox is a bit big, reducing it a bit would be perfect

[latent olive]

a lot of devs get snatched up immediately by larger companies

[maiden anvil]

Perhaps my suggestion would be better if Carno was still 1.8 tons. Idk… I just don’t like it using charge as a combat advantage

This may be my opinion but I don’t like seeing Cerato loosing to a Carno

[pliant elm]

it's Carno's ability, why shouldn't it be used in the fight?

[maiden anvil]

I’d just prefer it using it as a hunting tool. Probably just my opinion

[pliant elm]

The fight is a hunt...

[maiden anvil]

To creatures around its size || which it should not hunt ||

[pliant elm]

You really don't like Carno, huh Xd

There is no need to keep Carno even more attached to the smaller dinos

[vernal ermine]

with enough money it won't be a problem though so i don't see why they haven't done it

My theory is maybe they prefer developing over a longer time and don't want the game to update fast. Which is fine in itself, because:

Perhaps it's a passion project that they want to work with for a long time. Developing the game faster would ultimately just lead to them finishing too early.

Perhaps they want the project to span another 15 years or so, so that it can be a large part of their lives. So the focus here isn't "efficiently" developing the game fast with more devs, it's rather to expand the lifetime of the game

Maybe it will keep the game alive for longer also, developing over time instead of finishing too early

[maiden anvil]

Who said I hate it? I just think it should be part of its niche to specifically hunt smaller things

But the way I see it right now, it’s only agree to disagree

[pliant elm]

But the charge is part of the hunt, but the things that Carno can hit. There is no need to limit Carno even further

[desert arch]

Correct me if Im wrong, but currently if carno was made to be only able to hunt things smaller than it, it would only have 4 prey options that actually satiate it, those being galli, omni, pachy and dilo, which isnt even on its diet.

Carno would literally starve to death

[maiden anvil]

Then I blame the Carno players who want to hunt FG Tenos

[pliant elm]

Carno is stuck hunting things smaller than 2t and you want to lock him into only hunting things smaller than 1300?

[maiden anvil]

Yes

[pliant elm]

Kkkkkkkk

[desert arch]

^

The roster simply isnt big enough to support such an insanely specialised playstyle

[pliant elm]

You died to a Carno recently, Isn't that right?

[maiden anvil]

Perhaps in the future?

[desert arch]

Years, maybe

[maiden anvil]

Funny but I rarely play this game

[pliant elm]

I could tell

[maiden anvil]

Let’s hope some day there will be enough of small things so Carno can become what it’s supposed to be

[icy lion]

"I want my dino survival game to have FOMO and microtransactions" isn't something I thought I'd see posted

[urban flax]

What's FOMO ?

Fun thing is, it's not the first time someone wants micro-transactions
Some people just think different ig