general-feedback-discussion

[unreal ridge]

stego everywhere is pretty much an easy meal for rex

[sonic tangle]

Gtg

[normal shuttle]

bruh

stego needs a buff and growth increase

[cosmic vortex]

can stego not just outrun fg rex if rex doesnt have ambush?

[normal shuttle]

and then a good chance vs rexx

[unreal ridge]

no, rex will have a faster trot speed than stego, eventually stego will have to fight

[cosmic vortex]

they will prob change that, since thats just unfair for stego

although stego players do deserve it tbf

[normal shuttle]

no

[unreal ridge]

it's at the very least faster than trike's so itll be put in a position either faster than stego or slightly slower than

[normal shuttle]

because stego players in trike age are honest gamers now

[unreal ridge]

yeah seriously the stegos of the past are just the big bad ooooh im the strongest type players

now we have genuine stego enthusiasts

[cosmic vortex]

will trike players be the new stego players?

[unreal ridge]

but yeah a 9 ton carnivore with a 360 degree movement ability, bone breaking bites, crushes, grabs, and just one of the strongest default bites vs a 6 ton herbivore with one of the easiest to bait attacks in the game, especially for those with 360 movement

[cosmic vortex]

oml if brachi and bronto arent AI their players are either gonna be chill as hell or the most annoying players ever

[unreal ridge]

have you played the hordetest? they already are

[cosmic vortex]

nah tbh, im not really interested in trike or rex

especially when they arent finished

(trike's run anim is goofy as hell)

im more interested in allo and bary this year ngl

[normal shuttle]

wait wdym 360 degree movement for rex?

[unreal ridge]

rex is getting spar, its going to be its main weapon against trike and its other preferred meals

rex can grab trike's horns, and presumably all its legs if it works the same as spar now

[cosmic vortex]

oh wait nvm apparently they changed trike's run anim a while ago

[unreal ridge]

so rex's goal is to grab you, get around you to side swipe and then maul your throat

[hollow flume]

That's literally what's play testing is for

[normal shuttle]

WHAT

STRAIGHT UP SPARRING MODE???

thought it was auto toggle

[cosmic vortex]

yeah ik?

[unreal ridge]

yeah? rex is supposed to go toe to toe with the defensive classes

sparring currently is more of a game/leverage tool, where ceratopsians can get the better over one another

when rex gets it, it'll still be a leverage tool, but basically rex is trying to flip you over or get you on the ground so he can grab your neck and snap it

[normal shuttle]

Is it actually confirmed? Shocking discovery to me if so

[unreal ridge]

it hasnt been confirmed but the photos of rex sparring + the "murder stance" as dondi dubbed it seem to point in the direction of rex in the very least being able to pivot and go side to side

[icy lion]

@vital laurel The eyes on that model aren't changed at all, it's the way the programs are handling the camera perspective

[vital laurel]

this is also blender

i feel like the eyes are more front facing

[icy lion]

It's the exact same model sans the lip tweaks, different computer programs have options for camera perspective. You can change the perspective settings in blender to make it look like the camera in game too

[unreal ridge]

dude see this is what im talking about
rex looks like its looking in two different directions

[icy lion]

iirc they attempt to mimic the effects of having different lens lengths on a camera

[unreal ridge]

eyes need to either look forward or track the camera movements

[sonic tangle]

Are they going to fix the lazy eye?

[unreal ridge]

Im honestly in favor of removing the eye color slot, it just looks bad 99% of the time

[sonic tangle]

no

if it looks bad to you dont use it I like my purpel eyes.

[unreal ridge]

giving dinosaurs their own authentic eyes made them feel alive
dilophosaurus had diamond shaped eyes with yellow and green
now everything feels uninspired

[vital laurel]

blender also uses perspective by default, yeah the FOV and fish eye could differ but then id still say make the eyes more forward facing

[unreal ridge]

they really gotta fix eyes in general

theres waaaay too much white in most

[pliant elm]

I don't understand how Rex is going to sparring with the trike when the trike has 2 stakes on its face xd

[unreal ridge]

elephant eye, tiger eye, bird eye, owl eye, giraffe eye

all mostly iris and pupil

[unreal ridge]

you know how people put socks over baseball bats to prevent people from grabbing the bat and turning them against you?

rex can grab trike's horn or frill and gain complete control of the head

trike in turn has to fight off rex's grab

[vital laurel]

grab em horns

[pliant elm]

Grab em horns é foda kkk

[unreal ridge]

wheres that dinosaur revolution clip hold on

[sonic tangle]

he anit using both his eyes

[unreal ridge]

nvm i remembered it wrong

but theres a lot of bite marks on triceratop's frill from rex, so you just gotta bite there
since rex is most likely gonna work in pairs in evrima, one dude holds the dangerous end while another goes to town

Idk if im making this up or just remembering wrong but I remember a clip where its like
two rexs hunting an ankylosaurus, one makes itself visible while the other approaches slowly from behind
the one behind grabs anky's tail while its not looking practically disarming it, then the other rex rushes so it can freely attack anky's head and neck

[potent solar]

my lake was full of food, where is my food? lol

[vital laurel]

i think they will grab onto each others jaws or triceratops's horns

[wooden agate]

facebiting

allegedly found in the files

[normal shuttle]

Peak

[limber hull]

eh i find rex having strafing to be super lame

might just be me

[unreal ridge]

rex is supposed to be on par and able to keep up with trike
it kinda needs to strafe to do that

[limber hull]

i dont think it does at all

thats like saying allo needs strafe to keep up with dibble

i dont see it

[unreal ridge]

thats a different argument completely

[limber hull]

then alberto v dibble. Does alberto need strafing to do that? It's effectively a mini version of the afformentioned matchup

[unreal ridge]

again, not the same argument

[limber hull]

how? it's effectively a downscaled version of the exact same matchup

to me, it just takes a lot away from what i think makes ceratopsians unique, and giving it to therapods while other therapods just can't do that feels wildly inconsistent

[sonic tangle]

Whats strafing I my use a diffrent word/.

[vital laurel]

Are you using strafe ans spar interchangeably here?

[brittle lake]

are you serious rn bro 😭

[limber hull]

given the current implication is that sparring = strafing, yea

[barren crater]

everyone is spamming it at this point 😭

[latent olive]

free updoots

[sonic tangle]

Rex with lips will never happen but they should fix the eyes

[unreal ridge]

to me, if rex is going to be able to hunt what is realistically the most important match up the devs have to create, rex needs to be able to have the same abilities or abilities of an equal strength to keep up
in this fight, 9 ton apex carnivore vs 9 ton apex herbivore, agility wins
giving trike and rex the ability to lock up with one another, teeth to horn is one thing
but as soon as that is disengaged rex is at a huge disadvantage, im not saying rex should be able to waltz up to trike and win, however what I am saying is that I believe that once there is any sort of separation in the spar trike will have a much greater upper hand even if rex struck first or made a good ambush

currently what we see is a miniature version, stego who is faster and stronger (in a single attack) than trike but loses out on mobility can get routinely stun locked by trike simply stunning, backing up or moving to the side and stunning again
another thing on a larger scale, is that if trike and rex have the ability to spar one another, this means trike will also be able to "scoop" rex from under its leg/chest and completely topple rex

rex doesn't have to be able to move at a full speed, im fine with that, but it needs some capability to stay facing trike and side step and dodge

[latent olive]

apparently Rex can sprint while sparring

I don’t know if this is every life stage or just certain ones

[unreal ridge]

you are thinking of the murder sprint

[sonic tangle]

rex with lips looks more goofy.

[unreal ridge]

rex with lips looks cool as hell wym

[latent olive]

no, I’m not

[unreal ridge]

even so, cant trike and diablo also sprint in spar mode?

[latent olive]

not sideways though

although maybe they can, I’m not sure

[unreal ridge]

they can

[limber hull]

i think they can do it sideways, but at reduced speed

[vital laurel]

no, thats justa mad take, with spar you get a way more interactive combat than the glorifed legacy combat that it turns into without spar when two equalish dinos fight

[limber hull]

they can't sprint backwards tho

[unreal ridge]

its a slightly reduced speed but they can run side to side

[limber hull]

i want it to have sparring. i dont want it to have strafing

[latent olive]

sweet

[unreal ridge]

but you cant have sparring without strafing, how is rex meant to lock up and face its target?

[limber hull]

wdym "lock up" it attacks the face and goes into a spar, same as dibble and trike

[vital laurel]

bro, that is the corner stone, how would locking onto each other or getting on the side of someone work then

[limber hull]

"getting on the side of someone work then"

i would assume the ambush predator would ambush, ideally

[vital laurel]

rex has been shown to lock up with its oponent in the devblogs, just like how dibble locks togheter

[unreal ridge]

rex would obviously have a much slower side step, it only has two legs

[limber hull]

yea and i have zero issue with that

[unreal ridge]

unless rex is killing trike in a single shot, what does rex do after?

[limber hull]

that's fine, it's cool

[vital laurel]

yes but you need strafe for that to work and be fluid

[unreal ridge]

do you want rex to consistently stun lock trike? forgive me but im not seeing the follow through

after that attack, trike has much more mobility if rex does not have strafing

[limber hull]

idk, just sounds to me like we're handing out ceratopsian's unique mechanic to the apex trio because they looked sad and trike exists

[vital laurel]

it was never ceratopsian uniqe

it is just a better combat system than what we have now

[limber hull]

it... was. for a while now

[vital laurel]

yes because dibble got it first

[limber hull]

in fact it objectively was introduced as a unique ceratopsian mechanic

[normal shuttle]

Ceratopsians getting robbed of their ability is sad ngl

[unreal ridge]

the ceratopsians and the tyrannosaurs are supposed to be equal opponents to one another
at the very least, the bare minimum is that they should have the same abilities
if not that they need unique abilities to keep up with one another

[unreal ridge]

it was also planned for pachy lol

[limber hull]

its not like any other herbivore apex is getting sparring either, it's only the three big carnivores because of course it is

[unreal ridge]

who said anything about the big three?

[limber hull]

i dont think it was ever planned for pachy. all i've seen is it being rejected from pachy

[unreal ridge]

give me one second

[vital laurel]

what should rex have then? Since pinning and lunging are taken by deino and omni already, and i guess allo also looses grapple since omni claimed that first too

[normal shuttle]

Ideally I would have rex simply auto locking into that when fighting trike so there’s also no random bs like what I do when I am a canni dibble of simply refusing to lock horns to get behind their rear and completely ignore that mechanic

[acoustic sun]

theres been a ton of literal escapes lmao not to mention how realistic escaping odds are. you could do research if you want but a 0% chance is 100% unrealistic :p needs to go back to how it was because escape is not nearly impossible

ik thats some people refuse to accept for some reason but that is true 🤷‍♂️

[feral creek]

the pic on the left is just a bad pic and the one on the right looks like its about to give me a hug bruh, no lip rex is just more menacing.

[limber hull]

what?

[vital laurel]

Just because the devs didnt give a mechanic to every dino that was getting it at the same time doesnt mean one species has dibs on it or whatever you are trying to say

[normal shuttle]

Rex kit doesn’t really need yet another ability tho

[unreal ridge]

this could just be a model pose but I remember dondi talking in the early stages of evrima and also others talking about recent tidbits in the devblogs
pachy's parry is getting a rework

[limber hull]

rex literally has every ability it could ever want lol

[brittle lake]

Left one looks ok to me but needs adjustments like head is not wide enough eyes looks way too in

[normal shuttle]

It’s getting ambush, pinning, throwing corpses, and a unique combat system with trike

[unreal ridge]

ill try to find a better picture

[normal shuttle]

Pachy could also be fine with some sparring as long as it is meaningfully distinct to that of trike and dibble

[feral creek]

yeah for sure, im just talkin about the lips

[vital laurel]

spar has been planned since forever though, it is not new, stop acting like this is new or that spar is unique to ceratopsians

[unreal ridge]

I wish they followed through with making trike's impalements cool

[vital laurel]

hell there is even spar in the giga concept and the cama one iirc

[brittle lake]

[normal shuttle]

Well I said so now, pretzel. People change!

[unreal ridge]

I wanted fallen dinosaurs to be strung up on my horns

[limber hull]

i just dont see the need to give apex carnivores spar. The fact that you'll likely end up seeing giga and rex sparring more than trike is just sad to me

[vital laurel]

yeah him being a legacy like rip of dibble is strange

[feral creek]

so when is rex dropping guys

[normal shuttle]

How can that qualify as spar 😭

[unreal ridge]

I feel like thats a good thing, giving all the apex carnivores the ability to strategically fight
knocking each other around and aiming for weak spots instead of biting each other until one guy dies would be a good thing no?

[limber hull]

too bad it basically has no presence in hunting besides one herbivore lmao

[normal shuttle]

It could just be artistic stuff

Just like I’ve never seen a carno flipping a dryo over its head or sharpening its horns

[limber hull]

this is going off the confirmed plans that carnivores will not want to eat other carnivores, and they may even gain debuffs for doing so

[normal shuttle]

Just concept drawings to fill the whole paper sheet

[limber hull]

so there's ONE hunt where spar is an ability that matters, and that's it lol

[unreal ridge]

still, carnivores are going to fight
if not to eat each other they will fight for territory, for food and for any reason

[vital laurel]

what, how is having more cool mechancis that enhance combat bad?!?!?!? Like is this just cus you have a dislike of rex and giga? Or a preferance for trike and dibble? I just dont see a sound argument in making combat beter for more dinos, normal combat can be kind of werid in cera vs cera or such and spar is stuff that rly helps break up the pure math of i need 1 more headshot than him and i win this like how combat was in legacy with counting hits and memorizing who turns the best

[limber hull]

okay but still, that's a whole mechanic for ONE hunt

[normal shuttle]

You say that as if there could be no strategy in a normal fight without sparring

[unreal ridge]

well you said it yourself, itll probably be used between the other apex carnivores
thats a pretty big interaction is it not?

[limber hull]

eh

feels underwhelming just to be not even used in hunts lol

[unreal ridge]

are we talking about sparing or strafing here

because even without being able to engage in a "spar" with your victim, doesnt mean its useless

[limber hull]

not to mention they'll likely avoid sparring because given each creature's niche

spino beat rex beat giga

if you don't want to die, just don't spar a superior animal at sparring

[unreal ridge]

like how diablo can't enter a spar against anything besides other trikes and diablos
does that mean it's underwhelming?

[normal shuttle]

Sparring is largely a bad thing outside of 1v1s and something that things such as cannis would likely avoid

If not just look at how canni trikes and dibbles work. The optimal strategy is to not let your opponent lock horns so you can get on their rear or sides to deal so much more damage than them

And if it’s a 2v1 then one just locks the target into the animation as the other does all the damage

It should not be used extensively outside of defensive herbivores like ceratopsians

It could be fine as a one time thing like rex

But definitely not something like spino or giga

At most I would accept pachy, trike, dibble and cama for stuff like that

[unreal ridge]

I could be reading this entirely wrong, so forgive me
but isnt that a good thing for rex
rex will likely operate in a pair duo situation
one person locks up while the other attacks the soft weakside

[normal shuttle]

Also because herbivores can make more use of that for their own interactions

[unreal ridge]

would that not be a legit hunting strategy?

[limber hull]

sounds EXCEPTIONALLY boring for trike

[normal shuttle]

Or their own whimsical herbi roleplay immersion

[limber hull]

long drawnout death cutscene

[unreal ridge]

trike can also do the same thing

[limber hull]

nope, it can't

[unreal ridge]

in a 2v1, 2 rexs and one trike, trike should lose

[limber hull]

2 rexes can catch a trike, 2 trikes can't catch a rex

[normal shuttle]

That’s cheesy and unfair for the trike

[limber hull]

i cant wait for cutscene sim

[vital laurel]

this is one of the worst parts of spar

[limber hull]

really selling me on sparring lol

[normal shuttle]

So I would rather keep carnivore spars to the minimum

And in fact give trike some way to escape that

[vital laurel]

you cant lock out of being locked in

[unreal ridge]

yeah i dont see a problem with that, and yes trike can do the same thing to rex
as soon as rex locks up, the other trike side swipes and they simply just keep knocking him down and goring

its a cutscene either party in a 2v1

[normal shuttle]

I think ceratopsians with locked horns really should get something while they’re locked in sparring to prevent that from happening since it very much is an exploit and something they can’t do anything about

[limber hull]

they can't, because trikes can't force that engagement

[normal shuttle]

Except that the rex can choose not to pick the fight

[unreal ridge]

good?

[limber hull]

????

thank GOD rex doesn't have that happen, that'd be super unfun for it

trike tho, he deserves it

[unreal ridge]

rex should not have to take a 2v1

[normal shuttle]

“Oh, two trikes, maybe I shouldn’t go in there without an ambush”

“Oh hey that’s one trike and we’re two! Let’s walk it down and cheese kill it. So fair for the trike”

[unreal ridge]

I feel silly for having to say that?

[limber hull]

then neither should trike????

[urban flax]

I think it's cool to give rex sparring, because it gives trike and ceratopsians more things to spar with, and sparring is cool
But I DO hope that rex's sparring will be much less useful than ceratopsians' outside of actual sparring matches

[unreal ridge]

2 apex carnivores, designed to take down large prey, see a solitary animal that they are more than capable of taking down
it may not be fun, but in no world, unless that trike has some heavenly abilities, would win that fight

[limber hull]

so you've managed to make me hate sparring on rex more than i already did

because that sounds beyond miserable

you're not even fighting back as the trike, you're just dying

[normal shuttle]

Does it sound fun or fair for you to end the 10+ hour journey of that trike like that?

iT’z nOt ReAlIsTiC vRrO!

[limber hull]

there's no heroic sendoff, just a pathetic whimper from an apex beast

you don't get to fight your final fight, accept your death, grass-eater

[normal shuttle]

Would you like that to happen to your trike? Getting walked down by two rexes and killed with no counterplay?

I feel genuinely stupid having to say this when it is so self evidently problematic

[limber hull]

lemme just play anky so i dont have to deal with this sparring nonsense and i can just efficiently disable/kill my attackers without the hassle of instant stunlock death

[unreal ridge]

I wouldnt want it to happen but its probably going to happen, since if im a solitary trike and two rexes pull up, im probably their most favorable target

which is why trike can be in a herd of 4, what is a rex duo supposed to do against 4 trikes

[barren crater]

Grabs and stun locks 🔥

[normal shuttle]

So trike shouldn’t be getting tools to prevent such a cheap death from happening?

[limber hull]

genuinely, anky is just better from this description

anky doesn't have sparring, so it can't have this borefest happen to it

[barren crater]

Accept the no skill auto win idiot!

[unreal ridge]

when did i say that, trike should have the capabilities to fend off predators, im not arguing trike should be weak

[normal shuttle]

“Just be in a group bro”

Genuinely the worst balancing argument ever

Game is never balanced around grouping. Has never been.

Oh Maia is weak? Just be in a mega herd bro

[unreal ridge]

but in a 2v1 where both parties are designed to be equals, the side with two people is more likely to win
is that a crazy statement?

[limber hull]

but it should also be effectively helpless to rexes doing the easiest strategy known to man

[barren crater]

No. Spar cheesing happens right now with diablo and trike. Would be safe to say it happens with rex

[normal shuttle]

It’s not even having a hard time, it is trike being effectively helpless as it keeps getting animation locked while the other destroys its rear

Does that sound like good game design to you?

[limber hull]

it's objectively turning what is meant to be an awesome fight to a literal snooze of "grab, kill, done"

[unreal ridge]

right now I think we are confusing abilities with poor game design
we should be arguing to fix stun locks

[faint folio]

The problem isn't that rex should have to take a 2v1, it's that because trike is slower than rex, a single trike doesn't have the option to disengage from a pair of rex. Eg, the trike HAS to take a 2v1 if the rexes choose to hunt it. If one rex can lock the trike up, and the other can run behind the trike and start chomping, that is incredibly unfair to the trike who has no option to avoid combat and who has no option to win combat either.

[unreal ridge]

I want this to be an awesome fight

[vital laurel]

i think spar has drawbacks but shouldn't be gatekept from anything, i think if a majority of dinos had it it would be cool, especially for inter species combat since that otherwise boils down to a weird legacy combat

[limber hull]

i personally prefer spar being limited

[unreal ridge]

I dont want the realism bs of each party being able to one shot each other
but I feel like to keep up with trike, rex should get the same or a similar ability to match trike

[normal shuttle]

It’s like saying that dibble spar stunlock is fine. Dibble is equal to dibble, so I guess that by your own logic it is perfectly fine and acceptable that a single dibble stands absolutely no chance against two and it can’t even fight back

Except that with Rex, that one is actually faster than trike in all movement settings and by a long shot

[limber hull]

honestly, i'd rather megalania get sparring than rex LMAO

[barren crater]

I wish running flip didn't cause sparring to initiate

New suggestion actually!!

[unreal ridge]

you are arguing the semantics of something when we are ignoring a greater issue, the stunlock
to make trike v rex an awesome fight we need to work on how the game treats and works on stuns so that they are more valuable

[limber hull]

i think rex should be a notably worse brawler/sparrer than trike. It should be heavily disadvantaged in this interactions. But it's faster and a much better ambusher

[unreal ridge]

i completely agree

[vital laurel]

i personally hate the way of combat being spam biting or sum or the same combos and i feel spar breaks that up

[normal shuttle]

Spar cheesing a 18h shant 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[limber hull]

i think it adds needless complexity and confusion, because a lot of the time sparring would objectively just not be worth it

there's SO many animals who objectively just don't benefit from sparring conceptually

[normal shuttle]

And ngl that’s a huge downplay of the combat system. Even without sparring and animation locks, matchups like cera vs teno/dibble or omni vs carno are pretty fun and skillful

[normal shuttle]

Imagine cama taking the bother of having a glorious cinematic duel with an acro instead of just standing on its hind limbs and stomping it lol

[vital laurel]

yeah i mean omni has no need for it, since he has the pounce that already works as a more seamless attack or stego since they cant grab onto each other

[unreal ridge]

I want rex to get demolished in a head to head confrontation, but I also think in a proper ambush trike should be disadvantaged since rex is using it's proper abilities

I feel like I explained my point poorly at the beginning, my idea is in a typical 2v1 the side with two people wins and thats usually how its going to go down

I have no problem with trike being able to hold it's own against two rexes so long as it makes sense, like trike getting into a defendable area and not out in the open where its easily able to be gotten around and attacked from behind
but in an ambush, where trike has no time to react I think you'd agree with me that the apex ambusher should be it's strongest against unaware prey

[vital laurel]

i feel like a rex locking onto a fully grown trike could get flipped

[normal shuttle]

Okay, that’s reasonable

What I’d like to avoid at all costs however is turning a fight where you are at a disadvantage but can still stand a chance into a mind numbing cheese of locking a trike into an animation while your buddy gets free hits in and if it tries to turn around you just do the same thing. That would be miserable especially for a playable that needs so much time to grow

[unreal ridge]

oh no definitely
trike is 100% going to be the stronger sparrer out of all creatures, and I think the rex face grab is definitely more of a way to prevent trike from goring you instead of being able to push trike around

[normal shuttle]

Not just preventing the push

But also not just locking it because it’s also super lame with dibbles when you just deny the spar lock and win against another dibble

Ignoring your specific combat system being a reward is so bad

[unreal ridge]

Im also thinking this is where block really comes into use
since blocking prevents you from behind pushed back/your opponent getting under you, i would imagine a good trike would block the initial rush, then hold lmb to push rex down and then double click rex to get a stomp/gore in

[vital laurel]

rex spar can go either way, i personally think it can be rly cool to see how it changes over growth

[unreal ridge]

I would be in favor of making stuns much more rarer, but also making them more rewarding
like you have to do a certain combination of attacks or line it up to a specific body part to actually send their center of mass down

[unreal ridge]

dude that reminds me, rex is going to be the most over powered juvenile
faster than dryo

how would you feel about rex not getting a block, but instead the ability to "parry" a spar attack
if timed correctly rex could, instead of taking a spar hit, instead push trike's face out of the way and go for the shoulder

The same thing might also be applicable to trike, imagine rex tries to bite you but you can jam a horn in his mouth

[vital laurel]

i doubt rex will get a block

[vital laurel]

yeah i think those are just not adjusted stats, cus aint no way its 55 or so km/h

[unreal ridge]

oh not that, im talking about when dondi said "me see dryo me eat dryo" 😭

[normal shuttle]

Give magy spar ong

And if you try to spar cheese it just hits you with the tail or some shoulder gland spews poison at you

[woeful latch]

yeah, that doesn’t make any sense

i don’t even think it will be able to walk sideways or backwards like trike does

[vital laurel]

it will, otherwise spar doesnt work

Also files

[modest dock]

I'm curious about rex sparring, just wa't to see how it will work

[normal shuttle]

I need info

[woeful latch]

what’s in the files?

[vital laurel]

Strafe

[woeful latch]

what about walking backwards?

[bronze matrix]

Idk how they are gonna implement it but I love the direction they are going with this
imo it would be cool if carnivore combat in general would incorporate more grappling but that's probably not gonna happen the way the current combat system is build up

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1362832906783035633 @maiden anvil
I like the UI design and the approach of making it a "harmful nutrient". I also like the fact that you can apply this broadly to many things and that it sort of streamlines everything possibly related to sickness into one thing. Also there is huge potential to use this for future sickness-mechanics like drinking stale water or sth like that.

Although if this was implemented, you'd also have to probably redesign ceratos bile around it

[maiden anvil]

This should not be a complicated task. It simply gathers toxins/bacteria but isn’t harmed by it. Anything it bites get transported to its victim

Btw, thank you for saying there’s potential in my idea

[bronze matrix]

no worries :)

[bronze matrix]

oh i love that
instead of having this weird bar behind the stomach it would use the sickness as its bile resource

When it comes to the actual effect of sickness I'd probably (like you already said) mirror the nutrient buffs but as debuffs with the same scalability (if this is even a word). But in addition I would also incorporate vomiting of some sort. Maybe if the sickness reaches its max value?

[maiden anvil]

Sounds good to me 😄

[bronze matrix]

Btw would the sickness increase over time, would it decrease or would it be static?

[hollow flume]

@charred beacon can you expand on how there isn't any available spot or location that's a good environment for beipi growth? I ask this bc I can think of at least 3 off the top of my head

[gilded drift]

wouldn't it be too much and just overcomplicate the game? Having to keep track of diet, and now also what bacterias you have and the different ways to clean your body off of them

[charred beacon]

Remove swamp and delta from your mind, as i stated those 2 are extremely non interactive and bland. Then you can absolutely go to north lake if you would like, i do so myself however a small chunk of sand wasnt what i had in mind exactly

[gilded drift]

south plains, west access

[hollow flume]

There are ponds that off chute from the river delta that are great for beipis is what I had in mind. The swamp sucks for everyone

[charred beacon]

How long have you played this game

[gilded drift]

Since before evrima

[charred beacon]

In all bodies of water in this game there can be therefore will be a croc, so any place that doesnt have somewhere to be relatively safe, will force you out of that water and make it quite hard to even enter again. So is it to much to ask for a more interactions with the environment that makes it possible to be where a croc will be

[gilded drift]

Are you saying you want to avoid danger overall?

[charred beacon]

If you are saying that you are often at sout plains as a beipi you are just lying

Pretty sure i didnt say that

In that case i can just live on land but why even make the beipi semi aquatic in that case

[hollow flume]

Bc it's semi aquatic

....

[gilded drift]

You're insinuating it though, what are you trying to argue here
You want a populated area to grow in, without crocs?

[charred beacon]

I want to be able to be in the water if there is a croc there, i cant defend myself and he is faster so what are you even saying

[grave iris]

Idk about you but crocs seem to be chill with me when im beipi

I think youre just paranoid

[gilded drift]

Can you elaborate, what is your point? Are crocs too hard to evade, is what you're saying?

[hollow flume]

Basically he wants more terrain or obstacles he can safely play around in big bodies of water

Seems reasonable tbh. But low priority

[gilded drift]

7/10 times I always go south plains as beipi because I'm not tryna hide in the corner of gateway, SP is not exactly a safehaven but it's fun there

[charred beacon]

Pretty sure its about adding more to already existing areas which they are already doing. Doesnt seem that low priority if you look at hordetesting

[gilded drift]

also if you notice, the game's about surviving
the fact that it's a bit hard to grow in a survival game, is pretty natural

[hollow flume]

He's not saying that

[gilded drift]

also, personally i don't find it that hard to juke deinos? they're just faster than you

[normal shuttle]

@novel moon at least that’s funny

[charred beacon]

I´m not sure you guys understand how ecosystems actually work, for there to be a bigger predator, there has to be prey altso the beipi in this case. And for a population of beipis to actually be there, they actually have to WANT to be there, and there are no areas that are fun and also interactive enought to avoid predators and at the same time live and nest. You guys gotta think before you type sometimes

[gilded drift]

what makes south plains/west access not fun for beipis?

[grave iris]

@novel moon 9/10 ragebait

[novel moon]

I’m serious cancel Rex

[charred beacon]

The fact that if there is a croc that wants to eat you, you cant be there. Have you played beipi before?

[grave iris]

10/10

[normal shuttle]

@stark stream L

His ragebait is gold

[novel moon]

Lmaooo get your post removed!

[normal shuttle]

LMAO

[gilded drift]

At least 1/5 of my playtime ever since its release, is beipi. I play small game
You CAN be there even if there is a croc that wants to eat you. You can outmaneuver it

[hollow flume]

Rex shouldn't even be being released right now anyway

I say we wait till next year

[grave iris]

9/10

[novel moon]

How long have you played?

[gilded drift]

been playing/following the game since before evrima

[novel moon]

But you just joined the server?

[charred beacon]

You are not really enforcing your arguments, the beipis is semi aquatic, meaning in this case that I HAVE TO be in the water to avoid predators, and if i cant avoid prey in the water and have to go on shore, makes the whole dinosaur obsolete

[gilded drift]

what does this server have to do with playing the game? this isn't tarkov

[hollow flume]

Some beipis bully fresh spawn gators

[hollow flume]

You play tarkov?

[charred beacon]

As do i but what has that to do with anything

[gilded drift]

I don't, i tried it but it wasn't my thing

[normal shuttle]

I’ve seen competent groups of beipis take on +1 ton gators

[novel moon]

Just seems weird you’ve “followed” the game without being on the official discord

[gilded drift]

Youtube

[novel moon]

And watching other people play means you know how everything works?

[hollow flume]

It can yea?

Depends how much you watch lol

[gilded drift]

💀 what? lmao

By following through youtube, I mean videos on updates and all that. Sorry i'm not so active on discord like you are lol

[hollow flume]

Being in discord with smooth brain ideas means you know more?

[novel moon]

You still don’t learn everything lol you don’t learn how to play the actual Dino without pressing the attack buttons yourself and learning the delays in movement yourself

[gilded drift]

@novel moon So you're stating that you can't be experienced in this game without being a part of its discord server? hahaha what

[faint folio]

A lot of people play games without joining the game's discord

[stark stream]

Bro thinks I care that my post got removed 😭 🙏 what a loser

[gilded drift]

what is going on

[novel moon]

I’m not saying anything I was simply asking you questions

[hollow flume]

Can't we all just get along guys

And hate rex together

[gilded drift]

No no you're right, I didn't know what a rex was until I joined this discord. Joining was revolutionary and changed my entire knowledge on this game!

[stark stream]

Why is there even hate on the Rex?

Lmfao

[novel moon]

Cause Rex sucks

[stark stream]

How?

[drowsy nimbus]

No it's okay

[novel moon]

Overrated ugly Dino

[hollow flume]

Have you seen it's arms

Bro needs to hit the gym

[novel moon]

Or its neck?

[stark stream]

You only hate bc your gonna get clapped now by one ☠️

[novel moon]

Or its face?

[novel moon]

Rex isn’t out dude

[gilded drift]

Rex is going to make the playercount gain one of the largest spikes in evrima history

[hollow flume]

I'll never die to a rex I play dinos that require skill

[stark stream]

Ik dude 💀 🙏

It will be soon

[novel moon]

That’s cause it’s overrated

[gilded drift]

It's because it's a laaaarge part of the game

[novel moon]

And overrated

[gilded drift]

it's one of the pillarstones of the future ecosystem

[novel moon]

And overrated

[gilded drift]

how

[stark stream]

Buddy we alllll been playing the same Dino’s for months 😭 🙏 @hollow flume

[drowsy nimbus]

He obviously means when it releases gang, why are you even hating on it, it's not overrated it's long awaited, people are excited for it's release

[hollow flume]

Yea I'm saying add new dinos that take skill

[novel moon]

I shouldn’t need to explain how Rex is overrated lol

[stark stream]

They adding the Allo

[drowsy nimbus]

Because it won't make sense anyways

[gilded drift]

one thing i do believe though is quetz should have been released before rex

[hollow flume]

Next year or this Christmas ye

[novel moon]

Cause I don’t like Rex and I’m allowed to not like ugly stupid dinos

[gilded drift]

sky apex: quetz
land: rex
water: deino

until spino or whatever

[novel moon]

Deino isn’t an apex

[drowsy nimbus]

I'm not saying you can't hate it, just saying it doesn't really make sense, this just seems like ragebait man

[stark stream]

Rex does take skill growing it in my opinion and with these new changes to biting mechanics it’s all different

[gilded drift]

right now it is

[novel moon]

You obviously don’t know what apex is

[gilded drift]

is deino a part of the top of the current foodchain in evrima? yes or no

[stark stream]

😂

[novel moon]

Trike is an apex Rex is an apex deino is not an apex

[gilded drift]

Is deino at the top of the foodchain rn? Yes or no

[stark stream]

Bro has the brain of a fly

[novel moon]

That doesn’t make it an apex or else Stego would be apex

[stark stream]

@novel moon

[gilded drift]

yes or no ? @novel moon

as of now, is it at the top?

[hollow flume]

Deino is most def an apex right now

[stark stream]

🧠📉 @novel moon

[drowsy nimbus]

It is actually

[gilded drift]

guy absolutely refuses to answer a simple question

[stark stream]

Lmao

Bro left the chat 🫡

[gilded drift]

i wonder how many deino players will exist when the game is 1.0 tho

[stark stream]

I hope none

[gilded drift]

is deino played right now because it's strongest or because it's deino

[stark stream]

Prob Deino it’s the only think with the same playstyle rn

[dusk beacon]

not really

[hollow flume]

Me. Deino is the best dino in this game followed closely by dilo

Don't @ me either

[faint folio]

@maiden anvil I liked the suggestion too!

About the effect of sickness- I think you should vomit at 100% sickness, with the associated effects of that. I would have the sickness slowly decrease over time as the dinosaur's immune system fights the toxins, and a bite from a cera, eating rotten food, etc would apply so many "toxins" towards the sickness pool, where a cera's bite has a multiplier based on relative size of the cera to its prey (eg if cera consumes 10% of its bacteria, if might add 5-15% of sickness for a larger/smaller creature respectively, with those numbers being adjustable and intended to be representative of the concept). Just reducing the percentages so you don't get instant vomit would help, but a ramp-up effect after consuming something toxic could work too.

I'd also make gaining sickness (but not 100%) have a slight debuff, but not scaled the same as the actual diets - the idea here being that the main punishment of getting sick is vomiting. At less than 100% id debuff nutrients gained from eating and maybe do something with the frame/camera to indicate that the dinosaur is nauseous. Maybe at higher sickness the dinosaur won't walk perfectly straight anymore? I wouldn't touch buffs from diets directly because they'll lose those buffs when they vomit

[gilded drift]

it is arguable because of its unique mechanics

from our current dinos in the roster, do y'all think the devs were wrong to prioritize some of them? and if so, which dinos should they have prioritizes instead

-

[faint folio]

Dryo and hypsi

Hypsi should have released with Herrera with its climbing mechanics done

Dryo really needs its burrowing to be viable so it's just broken and non-viable right now

[gilded drift]

what instead?

[faint folio]

Id replace them with austro and maybe bary or sucho to help flesh out the aquatic roster (but shuffle dinos around so they released with Maia/stego/Cera)

[gilded drift]

oooo

[faint folio]

Hindsight is 20/20 though

[gilded drift]

But then should dilo have been swapped out with dryo, upon herrera's release?

[bronze matrix]

Great ideas!
To add to the first paragraph:
I think it would also be cool if the decrease rate of the sickness is linked to the diet meaning the more and varied nutrients the faster it goes down
Second paragraph:
Fair point about the debuffs. It would get kinda weird having a buff and a debuff of the same thing at the same time. Feels kinda redundant. I like the nauseous effect too, but messing with the controls might be a bit much. Maybe some other debuff like a higher water drain due to the higher body temperature caused by some sort of fever (?)

[faint folio]

Yes I think that could work. I would maybe release dilo about the same time as carno.

I'd need to look at the spawn menu to see what all we have in evrima so far, but it would be interesting to shuffle what we have around

[gilded drift]

i'd honestly replace allo with quetz

[wooden agate]

BASED

[faint folio]

Yep! I like both of those changes 😀

[gilded drift]

Allo brings more balance to the ecosystem as a midtier, although it is just a land dino

quetz is a 5 or something meter tall flying giraffe, i thiink evrima right now would be more exciting with quetz before allo - rather than the opposite

[faint folio]

It's hard to say because it's not in game or even HT yet. I see the logic now, though - there's several mid tier herbis in that would be about the right size to feed allo (Maia/stego/dibble)

[gilded drift]

with quetz in the game, now you have to worry about danger from above AND danger from below

[bronze matrix]

ok hot take incoming:
Giving dryo the ability to burrow without any other mechanics tied to it will in the long run not significantly increase the number of players that play dryo.
Because just being able to burrow and maybe the ability to make a nest in there is just a gimmik and not gameplay

[gilded drift]

yeah it's just concept art so far i think, but i honestly think the game would be better off with quetz first

[faint folio]

I think balance is what is needed though - part of the reason deino has such divisive takes is the water ecosystem is not balanced and deino was brought in too early

[gilded drift]

what should burrowing have as mechanics, like making tunnels?

it would be cool for troodons/beipis being able to invade burrows, it would increase playerbase of small game overall

small megalanias invading the burrow

[bronze matrix]

customize burrows with beddings, food storage, burrow maintance, etc

[gilded drift]

balance-wise deino is in too early, but i think deino is a large reason why the playerbase had a nice count at that point of evrima

[bronze matrix]

having other playables being able to invade my burrow does not encourage me to make burrows

[gilded drift]

it encourages you to be a dryo because now there is more to do
now the burrow is more

if you're invulnerable in your burrow, it's not as fun

[bronze matrix]

yea but imo not enough
it needs to be fleshed out to actually turn it into cool gameplay

[gilded drift]

wdym fleshed out

[faint folio]

Agreed, actually. Dryo needs multiple tools. One of which is the Dodge, already in game, and another is burrowing. The third would be maintaining and expanding burrow systems. Essentially, giving them a base building mechanic along the lines of other survival games like ark, green hell, etc. where they can have food storage and water but need to manage defense, structural integrity, flooding, and where they still need to regularly go foraging

[gilded drift]

Dryos being able to expand their burrows would be pretty cool gameplay

[bronze matrix]

the mechanics i mentioned (food storage, etc)
turn the borrow into the isles version of a small but cool base builder

[bronze matrix]

exactly

[gilded drift]

when it comes to things invading your burrow, how do you think it should be handled? what should the balance be

[bronze matrix]

as long as you are able to create a second entrance its totally fine

what kinda worries me is the concept art of an allo digging out a burrow

[gilded drift]

pack of 6 troodons raiding your burrow like it's rust hahaha

[bronze matrix]

what does that image mean

[gilded drift]

big dinos being able to destroy the burrow?

does that mean you'll have to hide it ?

[bronze matrix]

idk i hope its not just something like:
allo digs, you get teleported outside of your burrow like some taco

that worries me

[faint folio]

Small enough things should be able to just walk in (potentially with dryo able to make multiple entrances to counter this and/or fight back? Larger things should need to take time to "destroy" (aka dig out) the burrow blocks, depending on the structural integrity of the tunnels (which the dryo can reinforce and should need to maintain to avoid tunnel collapse)

[gilded drift]

imagine though mike, isn't it more fun with the potential danger of invaders

you're in your burrow expanding or whatever, suddenly you hear sounds approaching you and now you gotta navigate your way out

in a small tunnel

I wonder how they'll be able to make it look good

[bronze matrix]

yeah I have nothing against invaders, but allo does not seem to me like an invader
idk

[bronze matrix]

oh i can see that:
allo digs -> burrow starts to slowly collapse -> you need to escape

that'd be ok

[faint folio]

Especially if the burrow can be complicated like with irl groundhog or meerkat burrows-- multiple entrances and chambers, potentially collaborative efforts where a group of dryos can build off the same burrow. Large burrow invaders would need to destroy each "block"/section of tunnel constructed one at a time, which gives dryos a chance to escape or move deeper into their warren

I even like the idea of the tunnels collapsing on their own if unsupported or if the structural integrity decays too much over time without maintenance from the dryo

[bronze matrix]

I love your idea.
Hope it gets implemented like this

[faint folio]

Kinda like how in ark or green hell enemies can't destroy the whole base in one go- they have to break individual elements to get in

Idk I think proper base building would make dryo a lot of fun, assuming it's not a super simple thing

[bronze matrix]

ok i have a question:
would you make the dryo gather resources to build these supporting structures?
like twigs and such

[faint folio]

Yes and no. For simple elements like entrances and tunnels they should probably get that for free (it is just dirt). But to build specific chambers like food storage or nest chambers, I would require resources (as well as going out and foraging food to add to food storage chambers - you'd need to go out, grab a bite or two of food, and bring it back to store). This makes dryo dependent on needing to go out and take risks to survive. It also means dryo can't camp inside their burrow forever. I could go either way on reinforcement, but I kinda like the dryo needing to gather branches or sticks to strengthen its tunnels beyond the basic level of durability - both to increase the amount of time before a raider can gain access and to increase the amount of time the burrow can exist without maintenance before collapsing on its own

Not because that's realistic or anything - it just kinda makes sense to make that tied to a material you have to gather to get improved performance

[bronze matrix]

Yeah that's also my opinion. Burrowing animals need to leave the burrow for resources otherwise they just become moles.
Although the way on how a player gathers twigs needs to be reworked for that. It's way too clunky how it is now with nest building.

[faint folio]

Agreed.

It would be neat if specific resource nodes could be interacted with to spawn twigs (like how you can interact with food like peach trees to grab a peach). Like specific kinds of grass models, bush models, etc

The grass would obviously not produce twigs, but a "bedding" material to line nests

[bronze matrix]

yeah imo they could just make the foliage bushes serve that purpose since they already made them more than foliage with the current bush-sounds

[faint folio]

A big part of the problem with the current twig system is the game only spawns 2 at a time, and has a habit of spawning them in inaccessible spots unless you're a Herrera or ptera

[bronze matrix]

what is your opinion on using certain food plants for bedding to customize the burrow and to maybe give a playable some temporary buffs while resting on that bedding
like for example gather and integrate aloevara within the bedding for some health regen bonus (only while resting ontop of it)

[shy mauve]

yo is making the stego have a more threatening sounding 3 call so bad?

[digital spruce]

When evrima is going to be the Main version?, people that plays using cloud gaming they can't play evrima even with that because its not the main version, the Beta should be legacy, it should be the version you switch if you can't run evrima, if this makes the thing hard then just put a message in the main menu when you open evrima "if you can't run this version, go to properties, betas and download Legacy" or something like that

[faint folio]

Id rather not make food be used as a resource honestly. Plus, although aloe vera can be medicinal, most animals don't have the right tools to strip off the tough skin to get to the medicinal interior, the moist/gel-like interior would probably cause the bedding to mold, and laying on the leaves directly seems like it would be incredibly uncomfortable

[bronze matrix]

fair point

[hollow flume]

Are looking at this from the dinos perspective or your human perspective?

[faint folio]

What part of it?

The food and building resources being separate I'm looking at from a game design perspective

Aloe can have pretty big spikes on it and for that reason probably isn't the most obvious choice of bedding (plus, the plants in game honestly look more like American agave which is both larger and has even larger spikes). Most animals choose grasses, fur, down, or leaf litter as bedding because they naturally have air pockets and therefore tend to be warmer

Getting bedding wet is also usually the number 1 cause of said bedding molding and/or otherwise decaying, and aloe gel seems like it would make the bedding soggy (which also functions to reduce those nice air pockets previously mentioned)

And finally as far as animals being able to expose the gel which is the part of the plant that has medicinal value, I really can't think of that many animals that manipulate food items. Mostly, they're animals with hands and arms which grasp and manipulate items - giant pandas strip bamboo bark, various primates can peel fruit, and birds (ravens and macaws/parrots) are able to crack open nuts and such with their beak and a foot. I somewhat struggle to see how dryo could do something similar - their arms honestly don't seem like they would be able to move in that way, and their head seems like it might have trouble reaching its hands. Idk

[gritty heart]

It would be funny if beipi could be in burrows

As a prank

[river idol]

@slate flame it’s called a joke I’ve seen the other suggestions

[faint folio]

#general-feedback message Does anyone know where the lipped rex model is from?

[latent olive]

@mellow maple

[mellow maple]

hi lol

[faint folio]

Hello... Where does that very nice lipped rex model that's been shared to death in #general-feedback come from? :3

[limber hull]

i feel like you undersell how much having a gimmick actually matters

herrera's entire gameplay is taking advantage of a single gimmick and people love that thing

there's a reason dryo of all animals is by far the most fun in legacy imho

i would rather play a dryo than a rex in that game lol

[manic yew]

I don't think rex 100% needs lips (definitely not against it tho, honestly the posts where rex has lips look great) but at the very least that overbite really needs to be doned down a bit.

JP's rex has an overbite too but it looks fine and isn't nearly this goofy

Also as said before, rex definitely needs a bigger color library. Obviously nothing crazy like neon colors or some crap no, but more reasonable colors. More greens and reds and yellows in particular. Rex's colors should take a page from deino's book, where it has a lot of color variety but it's all very reasonable for an ambush predator.

[normal shuttle]

No

If I can’t be happy, neither should rex /j

[manic yew]

This sounds like a you problem

Trike also could use some more colors too, something similar to the colors dibble has

And poor Maia if anything needs more colors it's him, I really like maia but man it's color library is just sad

[faint folio]

I think the main difference here is a gimmick for the sake of having a gimmick usually isn't fun. Having a well-developed gimmick with mechanical depth can be a LOT of fun. Herrera gameplay is essentially a gimmick, but the different elements of the climbing and aerial dive bomb mechanics make the system feel very well fleshed out, and its quite fun to try to get the drop (literally) on someone, and then try to scurry back to safety before you get hit because you're somewhat squishy.

Giving dryo a basic hole in the ground imo could be fun, but is more likely going to feel tedious. What dryo needs is a base (burrow) building system complete with reasons to risk going out into the world, as well as that mad scramble to get back to safety before getting caught

[manic yew]

Ory in BoB has a really good burrowing system that would make for good inspiration for any burrowing here

[faint folio]

@dusty oasis The isle doesn't try to be realistic. If it were trying to be realistic, dilo wouldn't be venomous, herrera couldn't climb trees, most things would die in one hit, etc. Giga should not be faster than rex because it was faster in real life. If anything, giga should be faster than rex because it is good game balance assuming rex deals more damage and/or has more health. (Although conversely if the opposite is true, then giga should be slower). Balance for survival viability is always king, followed by fun balanced with a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief ("seems like this could be reasonably plausible in a game world similar to ours, even if it isn't true/accurate to real life")

And of course, many of the dinosaurs are apexes from very different ecosystems at very different time periods on different continents (dilo, deino, rex, giga, carno, utahraptor, etc) - they didn't coexist together and likely couldn't coexist together

[normal shuttle]

deino with lips

[wide night]

I don't think that one was serious

But yes that's disgusting

[mellow maple]

I took great joy in making that one. But I will have answered the question what if it did

It was very heinous

[wide night]

I really like the t rex one, great job making that! Idk about everything else, but the rex with lips looks soooooo much better imo.

[radiant nest]

The Rex and carno were peak with lips, Cerato could be good both ways, dilo definitely looks worse with lips imo and deino…

[mellow maple]

👁️ What about Deino

[normal shuttle]

deino with lips and a dewlap when

Also cartilage crests

[heady geode]

lipped deino staring me down as he inflated will live in my nightmares forever

[normal shuttle]

go full david peters on deino

[latent olive]

lipped carno looks rather funny

but lipped dilo actually makes it look MORE reptilian

which is cool

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i didn’t like the deino xd
but the rest are lowkey better than what we have in game
-# disclaimer: (this is my personal opinion, i don’t want 500 million people in this chat to argue with me on that)

[mellow maple]

idk about you but I thought Deino was CLEARLY the best of them all.

[woeful latch]

ahah xd

[mellow maple]

I have no idea how else I could've conveyed that was a meme

bwahahahah

[woeful latch]

i wanted carno with lips for a WHILE now, can’t wait for modding to be added to the game so we can have custom models

[compact sequoia]

we got a lipped goofy deino before gta 6

[latent olive]

the deino actually gives off purrusaurus vibes with lips like that

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lashes-ok-purr-cat-houseinnebraska-gif-11384155315205619789

[plucky plank]

#general-feedback message am I the only one who thinks Rex with lips looks like a Herbie? :/

[mellow maple]

He does kinda give that hippo vibe. But have you see what they're hiding?

https://tenor.com/view/hippoyawn-hippo-gif-20132198

[craggy charm]

does a lion look like a herbivore?

or this fella

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I forgot to add oceans lmao

[craggy charm]

also the Omniraptor has lips too, and the baryonyx…

lips

[plucky plank]

I was referring to this image, which makes it look more like a specific herbivorous dinosaur which I cannot currently remember the name of.
I am more than aware there are carnivores without their teeth on display, but the Tyrannosaurus does not look right in that image without them.

[craggy charm]

To be fair, it’s a fanmade model edit, only to give an idea

[plucky plank]

Either way, I hope if they do anything it is to make 'lips/teeth' optional. At least that way it has the best chance of making the most people happy. I'd be pretty salty if it was forced and I knew an alternative had been an option.

[craggy charm]

I can agree there, shouldn’t be hard to have a toggle between the two especially when it’s as simple as a minor adjustment to the jaw. But the option should definitely be there

[plucky plank]

Oceans are certainly lacking atm, while I was exploring it just felt empty. The only reason to take Saltwater atm is to make the journey from Swamp to other locations simpler. :/

I was looking forward to being a Saltwater Croc chilling in the ocean, but starvation is the only constant I found out there.

[junior nymph]

atleast a bit ago dondi did a working on oceans and beaches stream

[manic yew]

It'd be nice if other dinos had some different model options, like different horns for carno and dibble or different crest options for ptera and whatnot. (Elaborating on rex lips being an option)

[mellow maple]

That's pretty much what I said in bold. I have made it explictily clear I'm not playing favorites.

It is interesting to note all of the varying opinions of this topic.

Some people prefer lipped, some people prefer toothy, some just don't give a damn looool

[woeful latch]

acro model is peak tbh

[mellow maple]

Most people instantly downvote this. I would too btw. If there's an insane individual that actually LIKES this. Please stand up and explain why this is good.

[craggy charm]

fr is

[woeful latch]

LMAO yeah i feel like most downvotes came from people who didn’t like the deino part

it was such obvious meme tho..

[urban flax]

I still like rex with lips better but the copy-pasted feedbacks are getting annoying to the point I consider changing my mind

[latent olive]

free updoot printing machine

[gilded drift]

is that ai

[normal shuttle]

It’s funny though

[woeful latch]

kissen said they will not change stuff, so at this point it’s honestly worthless

tho it’s nice to see people hating JP style design and that’s awesome

[urban flax]

Let's just hope that lips customization will be a thing

[normal shuttle]

Give magy a no lips option

[woeful latch]

or at least modding

[normal shuttle]

Will most likely be

[woeful latch]

steam workshop🔥🔥🔥

[urban flax]

I wonder if client-side mods will be possible
If so that would be dope

[limber hull]

client side mods in games like this tend to be not as dope as you might want them to be

see, for instance, snow map

[lilac bolt]

where did she say they won't change it?

[urban flax]

Oh right

[woeful latch]

yesterday in isle general

[woeful latch]

depends what’s allowed to change

[limber hull]

or mods that make the dinos near bioluminescent to see them easier against the terrain or in the dark

[urban flax]

DRG has a pretty good way of dealing with this, in that mods need to be "validated" before they can be used with non-modded players

It's extremely time-consuming of course, but it avoids a bit of cheating

[lilac bolt]

so from what i can grasp from what kissen said they aren't really thinking about changing it rn but however everything else is pretty much just a big maybe rn.

[acoustic spruce]

@hushed flint looks like the white angry bird

[junior nymph]

@deep knoll the thing is they have been doing that on the horde test and it preforms worse (they are trying to optimise it though)

[deep knoll]

Ye

I love patchy

[junior nymph]

@grizzled aspen do you use night vision?

[grizzled aspen]

yes

[junior nymph]

what are you playing as?

[grizzled aspen]

deino

[junior nymph]

it has decent NV

[grizzled aspen]

no he doesnt

[junior nymph]

yes he does

[deep knoll]

?

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message truly a feedback of all time 😭

[junior nymph]

LMAo

whos going to tell them

ill do it @vital moss that aint a dev thats some random guy

and also dont ping the devs

[normal shuttle]

LMAO

Saving it in case it gets deleted

[junior nymph]

already have

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[junior nymph]

did you try and @ the whole dev team :skulll

[vital moss]

@junior nymph totally understand XD i just love the game and would love to see it grow.

[junior nymph]

DLC wont help but like yeah you pinged some random guy they aint even a dev I would suggest edit it lmao

[vital moss]

@junior nymph who tf did i ping... lol

[junior nymph]

some guy who is in the server

they just a player

[vital moss]

what chat was it lemme delete it...

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

This implying that they should edit and ping an actual dev

https://tenor.com/view/devil-ear-temptation-pluto-gif-19118186

[junior nymph]

[normal shuttle]

Okay no it was deleted completely

Good ending

[junior nymph]

I was implying that

that poor mans going to be pinged in the isle discord exited to see if its a patch and their disappointment will be unmatcheds

[vital moss]

@junior nymph ty...

[junior nymph]

alg boss

[vital moss]

Trex in evrima? @junior nymph

[junior nymph]

soon

[desert arch]

Its in hordetesting, kinda

[vital moss]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689 @junior nymph

[bronze matrix]

herrera's climbing is not just a gimmick
its whole gameplay is designed around it

barebones burrowing would only be a gimmick
superficially interesting enough to attract a decent amount of players in the short term but in the long term it will fail to hold a playerbase

The issue is this:
Large herbivore gameplay right now has three major aspects: socializing, nutrient / growth maximization and combat
Small herbivores only got socializing since they already grow fast enough and combat is a non starter.
So how do you compensate for the other two missing aspects?
Burrowing could fill that gap. But if you only implement burrowing as barebones as it would be in legacy, the only thing you will get would be another location to socialize in. Nothing more. Which then leads to no players playing as burrowers which then leads to all those cool burrow invader niche ideas being extremely useless without any burrows to invade.

Also just as a side note: Dryo's ability to burrow in legacy being the highlight does not say much about the burrow mechanic itself but more about the sad state of legacy.

[steep robin]

#general-feedback message geeked vs locked in

[urban flax]

Dynamic perspective enabled VS disabled

[limber hull]

@wind oracle humans don't need a significant amount of ammunition, in fact, they're getting the exact opposite

bullets will be scarce and valuable

[gilded drift]

@wind oracle Under no circumstance should you be able to pick military clothing upon spawning, for different wearables it should rather be something you craft or find

forming your character's personality should have something to do with your gameplay and not just what you pick before spawning

[wind oracle]

Try applying this to a game where it takes months or years for a significant update, making items or accessories, or weapons and bullets just findable items can be more complicated than it seems.

I choose to be something you must briefly choose how you want to be, and the rest is up to you.

[limber hull]

also you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what humans are in the game, because they are NOT military

[gilded drift]

i don't read up on the lore, where do the humans come from

as in do they go on an expedition into gateway? or are they dropped onto the island or what's going on

[limber hull]

as per the name, generation 2 are Apollo's Engineering second attempt at creating humans

generation 1 is a horrible mutated mistrial that is only human by name and shape, but everything else is just wrong

so basically, they're from the same place the dinosaurs are from, the replicator, aka, the giant machine god that makes everything living on the island

[gilded drift]

nvm

any concept art of apollo?

[wind oracle]

I'm just saying that you could make them much more customizable and give them more interesting mechanics.

[limber hull]

apollo is kind of the nameless, faceless company

their logo is all over the game tho

[urban flax]

What more interesting mechanics ? You're just removing the hunt for loot and ammunition from the game, to replace it with nothing

#general-feedback message
I failed

[gilded drift]

to be fair, without lips makes its jaws look less powerful

maybe small rex could have no lips and then it gets lips as it grows

[urban flax]

@feral lagoon Looks like you didn't understand the point

[hushed flint]

THE REVOLUTION NEVER STOPS

WE SHALL GET WHAT WE DESERVE

[limber hull]

you shall get what you deserve

lipless rex is exactly what you deserve

[hushed flint]

We do deserve it,because it looks actually good

[urban flax]

The more you repeat it, the less likely it is to happen

[limber hull]

camera changes

[hushed flint]

The less we repeat it,it will never happen

[urban flax]

Asking for something once gets your point accross

Asking twice makes sure you've been heard

Asking 30 times in a row is just childish and annoying

[urban flax]

It's been repeated plenty enough already

[hushed flint]

This is different
This is game changing

[hushed flint]

Not enough
NEVER ENOUGH

[limber hull]

camera changes were gamechanging

[hushed flint]

They were just prototypes

This is the model that somehow got the green light

[limber hull]

frankly, i think lipped rex doesn't work with the model we have at all, and i find it bizarre that people are only now raising hell about it when TONS of other animals have this exact teeth design

[hushed flint]

What’s childish and annoying is the current Rex face

[limber hull]

that is the complete opposite of how the devs of this game work

[hushed flint]

It’s not as noticeable on the others

[limber hull]

you annoy them enough and they'll just hate you

[hushed flint]

They hate people for wanting change?

[limber hull]

they hate people for being annoying

[hushed flint]

It’s not even toxic,it’s just showing that a lot of us care about this

[urban flax]

Go ahead, you're on your way to get the general feedback channel closed

For saying it over and over and over and over

[short plank]

i agree thats why i will only ask once or twice because it is annoying and i like the rex design anyway i just would rather lips edit: when i say annoying i mean its annoying in the sense of asking too many times

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message bro thinks this is pot

[hushed flint]

Or they could just admit we’re right about something?

Like I’ve supported every other change they’ve made to the game but this…this is just too much

[short plank]

this is the first time i have brought it up ever

[hushed flint]

I mean I’ve done it 3-4 times
But I’m the self proclaimed leader of this war so…

[urban flax]

It's only a matter of opinion

[short plank]

shlimbo don't spam the same question

[hushed flint]

An opinion that the vast majority and I mean like 95% of people agree with

[short plank]

i understand you like it with lips and so do i but just chill out

[urban flax]

Some people can't understand the difference between giving their opinion and spamming it seems

[urban flax]

False

[hushed flint]

YOUR HEART AND SOUL FOR THE CAUSE

[short plank]

yeah unfortunately

[normal shuttle]

Stop it with the rex lips thing bruh 😭

It gets so boring to see how easily more than a third of the feedback posts are about that

[limpid bear]

i think with the dino lips movement we should get lipped pteras and beipis that would be super duper awesome

[urban flax]

I share that opinion, but I don't claim to be 95% of the community

[short plank]

legit?

[normal shuttle]

Yes

[short plank]

i didn't realise people were asking that much lol

people gotta chill

[hushed flint]

Feedback says otherwise(I’ve over exaggerated but it’s still the vast majority

[raven sky]

Or the vast majority of players probably aren't on discord

[urban flax]

Do you know what a "vocal minority" is ?

[hushed flint]

My Reddit post was also mostly agreed upon,and so are the YouTube videos on it

[hushed flint]

The ones who don’t speak up about their opinion?

[normal shuttle]

13/43 suggestions I picked at random are about this stupid topic 💀

[short plank]

im fine with both designs tbh its just no lips kinda throw me off but i still like the design and its not going to ruin my day if they don't add lips

[short plank]

jeez

[limpid bear]

i just want rex tbh so idrc they can add lips at a later date

[short plank]

same but idc if they give it lips or not

[limpid bear]

its only a model adjustment that could be selectable or not like with the paleo calls

but rex out first

[short plank]

lips is preferred but at the end of the day rex will still be awesome so who cares?

[hushed flint]

Give Rex lips with paleo calls
And ugly Rex with Jp calls

It’ll appeal to both audiences

[raven sky]

Wanting lips is fine.

Spamming the feedback channel or saying that "rex is more scary " or that it's the objectively better thing is just wrong

[normal shuttle]

No it won’t

[short plank]

i agree

[normal shuttle]

Because I want the current Rex with paleo calls

[raven sky]

Rex is not ugly

[hushed flint]

Not a single thought in sight

[limpid bear]

rex is magnificent either way lol

[normal shuttle]

You are just using the most unfavorable angles ever. I could do the same thing for every playable

[limpid bear]

i think the goofiness iss fine

[short plank]

its not ugly lmao it just doesn't have lips

[hushed flint]

Other Rex in the other hand

[short plank]

ok but in what situation are you gonna see a rex that close and not be dead if you are just playing the game?

[raven sky]

It looks like that one donkey meme

[urban flax]

You're either of bad faith, or you don't know what perspective is

[hushed flint]

When I’m walking around

[normal shuttle]

It still looks dumb as hell

[limpid bear]

we just need rex to be dropped.. then hopefuly the devss will either hear out people on lips and decide wether to or not

[short plank]

LMAO

[raven sky]

Exactly this lmao

[hushed flint]

Ik what perspective is but I don’t have the one of the Rexes in the same perspective

[short plank]

i can't unsee it now

[normal shuttle]

Dude, look at these stickers

[hushed flint]

Welp I’ll stop with my posts about it and just ✅ others who do it

[normal shuttle]

Is Utah ugly?

[urban flax]

Yeah that's because you're being brainwashed into thinking changing the lips makes the entire model look better
But they're the exact same

[hushed flint]

Yes.

[urban flax]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Is sucho ugly?

[hushed flint]

Not in evrima it ain’t

[short plank]

btw im not against rex having lips im all for it but i think its a bit overboard to keep asking the same question

[gilded drift]

rex's head grabs like 60% of your attention, it needs to look good

[limpid bear]

can we talk about other stuff guys :p

[normal shuttle]

Brother it is nearly the same thing

[urban flax]

THAT is the actual difference

[hushed flint]

I for one just think it shows passion

[hushed flint]

Does legacy sucho have the pelican pouch?

[urban flax]

It mostly shows how annoying you are

[normal shuttle]

As an ability? Not really, but it sure has a lot of skin hanging there

[hushed flint]

No it’s not,there’s partial lip covering

[short plank]

yes it does but the more you ask the more you guys will annoy the devs and then they won't think about it at all

[hushed flint]

But the less you ask they will ignore it more

[short plank]

yes but i would rather them not see us as annoying and see us as concerned players

[normal shuttle]

Do you think making over 25% of the many posts that channel gets is good?

[short plank]

so just stop before you cross that line

[normal shuttle]

Do you think it brings some inherent benefit to flood the chat with it?

[hushed flint]

I think it’s proof change is needed

[urban flax]

wdym no ?
That's the actual comparison made by the person who did the edit

[urban flax]

It is not lol

Being an insufferable human being isn't proof of anything

[short plank]

not when its one guy saying it over and over again bro

[normal shuttle]

I think it’s proof that this vocal minority should shut up before they get swatted like flies or we get restrictions to feedback channel just because muh slight model change

[hushed flint]

Not just me though

[short plank]

i get that but i don't see others backing you up on this no offense

[hushed flint]

Because they don’t share the Rex lips passion

[urban flax]

You have the same attitude as the people who complained about the non-existent camera changes
No one liked that

[short plank]

yes because it doesn't matter you are pushing people away from asking for lips because you sound so annoying, stop for a moment and think of what you are doing dude

[hushed flint]

The camera changes don’t exist though,Rex does

[short plank]

as someone who wants lips i regret posting it in the feedback channel because of you

[urban flax]

You know what your incessant spamming is achieving ? I've been in favor of lipped rex from the beginning, but because of that, I'm considering changing my mind so I'm not put in the same basket as those who keep flooding the feedback channel

You're literally losing partisans

[short plank]

EXACTLY

[limpid bear]

am i theonly one who thinks cera will be fun when no one else plays it due to apexes and larger mid-tiers?

[hushed flint]

I’ve literally said I’m gonna stop putting in requests

[short plank]

oh yeah defo

[hushed flint]

Oh it’ll probably be funner

[latent olive]

oh no, cerato will still be heavily populated

it’s still one of the strongest and most braindead playables in the game so far

[limpid bear]

at the moment its basically what veryone impulse plays its really annoying

[hushed flint]

Not when THE ALLOSAURUS joins the fight

[limpid bear]

ye cera mains have less than 4 braincells

see thing kill thing

[latent olive]

one allo getting swarmed by a mob of ceratos would die

[hushed flint]

And they’ll all flock to allo

[limpid bear]

even if it aint on diet

yup sadly

[latent olive]

good luck pinning and killing a cerato when you’re vomiting so much your entire stamina bar is gone

[limpid bear]

thats why ill be maining alberto as my mid tier carni

[short plank]

fair

[hushed flint]

Yea but it’ll more than likely be ceras getting mobbed by allos

[limpid bear]

i was made to vomit after one bite as a fg carno by a sub cera

[hushed flint]

I don’t get what’ll be special about Alberto

[latent olive]

also allo doesn’t have the big safety net that is eating rotten meat and bones

[limpid bear]

my fav tyranosaurid

[limber hull]

when the allosaurus joins the fight people will just stomp it with cerato lol

[limpid bear]

troo needs to be able to eat rotten meat

[limber hull]

i fully see 2 ceras just obliterating allos they come across

[latent olive]

honest to god I’m foreseeing it now

[limpid bear]

everyone here has the best pfpss lol

[hushed flint]

Yea it’s cool but we’ve been able to see everything’s niche from concept art but we haven’t seen much from Alberto

[limber hull]

people think allo will solve the problem. Hopeful, yes, but it won't happen

[limpid bear]

*pfps

[hushed flint]

Probably because all the braindead cera mains flock to allo leaving the players with an ounce of skill behind

[limpid bear]

ill just play it cause its my fav no other reason same for para

[latent olive]

no one expected Diablo to successfully fight a stego, look what happened

no one expected a cerato to fight a triceratops, look what happens

no one expected a stego to fight a triceratops, look what jalapenos

[hushed flint]

That’s fair,even fairer with the para

[limpid bear]

ye

[latent olive]

no one expected the Spanish Inquisition

[limpid bear]

cerato dog walks trikes somehow too even with ssparring

[limpid bear]

the comfy chair!!

[latent olive]

once the cerato players try to move to allosaurus, and they find it’s not as easy as cerato, they’ll just go back to it

[limpid bear]

TRUE

[hushed flint]

I never had any problems with ceras as trike

Maybe I was just fighting bad players

[limpid bear]

and theyll ridiculously over pack

[hushed flint]

And then the people who don’t play for a meta can play both happily

[latent olive]

even funnier if allo is genuinely slower than ceratosaurus

[limpid bear]

i killed a like 50% trike with a not quite fg cera

i think the player was just bad

[short plank]

bad trike player?

[limpid bear]

ye

[short plank]

fair

[hushed flint]

Trike should just keep their head faced towards the enemy and not fall for bait

[short plank]

yep

thats what its made to do lol

[hushed flint]

Does trike have sounds for its attacks yet?

[limber hull]

i dont think it'll take skilled ceras to destroy an allo in pairs

[short plank]

dunno

[limpid bear]

not many lol but i havent played the ht excpet for 5 mins where i played the new sp got bored and left

[latent olive]

if it’s a pair of ceratos I think allo’s only options will be to face tank and fight through the vomit locking, or pin one at a time

[hushed flint]

I think it would take decent amounts of skill,we don’t know how allos pin will work yet so it’s hard to say how a fight would work

[normal shuttle]

do you think that allo will have the same issue omni has with the victim complex?

Being given a very solid dinosaur and still thinking it is unplayable because you cannot latch onto something's back and win for free

[limber hull]

based on how cera works in general, and how well it performs, unless allo is DISGUSTINGLY overpowered, cerato takes it

[limpid bear]

magy will be a cera victim 100%

[normal shuttle]

I bet anything it will

[normal shuttle]

nah magy wins

[latent olive]

like, should a pack of 3 ceratos be able to actually fight an allosaurus?

yeah, I think so

but it shouldn’t be a dog walk

[hushed flint]

Magy solos the competition

[latent olive]

woe, vomit

[normal shuttle]

mfw magy causes cerato to vomit instead of the other way around when bitten

uno reverse

[limpid bear]

i think magy should have like vomit resistance or ssmth

[normal shuttle]

cause others to vomit when they hit you

[hushed flint]

Magy should one shot all

[normal shuttle]

unless it's cera ig

[limpid bear]

yee

[normal shuttle]

magy martial arts

[limber hull]

honestly, doubt it

[limpid bear]

i was joking lol

[latent olive]

magy knockdown and stomp spam

[limber hull]

the ONE matchup magy has to be balanced around consistently winning is cera lmao

[limpid bear]

alr was fun chatting gna have to leave now

[limber hull]

possibly also megalania given it will also likely be a fetid rot eater

[normal shuttle]

imagine magy being balanced around winning vs current cera

peak dwarf sauropod

@gloomy reef ...

[urban flax]

Oh by the Replicator
They keep popping

[normal shuttle]

shut up-

[normal shuttle]

not even that guy's first lip post

it's the same bunch spamming

[latent olive]

a rex without lips….,.,,

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1363117822846304286/D1E8C11D-3038-4FE2-A3D1-3817FA08F549.jpg?ex=6804dde6&is=68038c66&hm=4ea93272cba4443713e922231753f8548ef5bb09a4d166f9738767637b67792e&

[normal shuttle]

tbf designs are mad inconsistent in this regard

but bruh, leave rex be

[short plank]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-bottom-line-the-bottom-line-stone-cold-steve-austin-stone-cold-wwe-gif-72026831359017444

[urban flax]

vocal minority in action

[limber hull]

cera has buckteeth, carno has buckteeth, and we only care when its rex

[normal shuttle]

why can't people just let it go

[normal shuttle]

also allo lol

[short plank]

idk dude

[normal shuttle]

they're gonna get something in return and not what they expect

[urban flax]

The issue is it's gonna affect the entire community

[normal shuttle]

maybe

[gloomy reef]

2nd post and whats the issue with people wanting to keep what they want relevant lmao

[limber hull]

there's a difference between bumping and spamming lol

[gloomy reef]

I never spammed...

[short plank]

you didn't and i hope you don't

[normal shuttle]

Don't care, you don't need to repost the same as others because one suggestion would do

And there is an issue when over a quarter of the posts in a channel that gets dozens of messages daily are about the exact same stupid topic

[urban flax]

Oh sure, there is a HUGE risk of "give rex lips" feedback getting buried in... feedback NOT about giving rex lips...

[normal shuttle]

you don't need to partake of the spamming

it's just annoying at this point

got annoying to me after the first few days, and we've been dealing with this for like...a week?

[short plank]

oh yeah definitely and thats something no one wants

[short plank]

jeez, a week?

[normal shuttle]

if there's 10 posts about rex lips, you posting the 11th will do nothing to post it

[short plank]

sorry i don't usually look at feedback

[normal shuttle]

it became louder when rex was enabled in skin editor

[short plank]

i can imagine

[normal shuttle]

there's like 30 recent posts of that

[hushed flint]

Why’d I read that as Facebook

[hushed flint]

Well I wouldn’t say the topic is stupid

[mellow maple]

Ah, ah, ah. I also did four more examples than just Rex. I care for more than just Rex

What perplexes me is people saying Carno and Cerato are fine but idk why Rex is the exception

[short plank]

i have a reason

people are biased for rex

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-bottom-line-the-bottom-line-stone-cold-steve-austin-stone-cold-wwe-gif-72026831359017444

[hushed flint]

I’d like lips on every playable that’s a therapod as an option not just Rex
But that’s the most relevant thing rn

[mellow maple]

Fair enough

[short plank]

then why have you never asked for them to have it as of this date

unless you have and i am dumb

[hushed flint]

Because that’s not relevant rn
Rex lips are the main topic of conversation
If you can get one thing to get lips then it’s a good start for the rest

[short plank]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-x-angry-mad-upset-hit-gif-5005267

damn he had a good opinion

lol

[hushed flint]

Uhhh

I’d like carno with lips

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-prehistoric-planet-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-carnotaurus-gif-25467585

[short plank]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-stare-dinosaur-king-von-anti-piracy-king-von-gif-8283101024698797514

bro your playing the isle and you see this thing in the bushes (your a cera)

rex wins

[hushed flint]

Nvm bout that

[short plank]

as always

it should be able to pin a stego

[hushed flint]

Let’s not go that far

[short plank]

if an allo can latch onto one then a rex should 100% be able to grab and pin a stego

[hushed flint]

That’s too unfair if you get what I mean
Stego got power swing to contend with apexes

[indigo gulch]

Then stego needs to be faster than it and I doubt that’s happening

[short plank]

its only unfair because of current meta once the game is fully complete it should hopefully be like an ecosystem where you actually have to think about what you fight and do

[short plank]

it defo will lol

[hushed flint]

Stego won’t be faster than Rex

Because of death sprint

[short plank]

why won't it be?

oh yeah but in a normal fight it should be

[hushed flint]

A normal fight for Rex will usually be an ambush

[short plank]

not in the current meta tho

[hushed flint]

Or it’s catching nothing but trikes

[short plank]

nothing should realistically fight a rex other than trike

[hushed flint]

And that’s just asking for death

[limber hull]

i doubt stego will be faster than rex, with or without murder sprint

[hushed flint]

Yea

[short plank]

how fast is stego in game rn

[normal shuttle]

it really is

[hushed flint]

26 kmh ain’t it

[normal shuttle]

you wanting it doesn't make it any more legitimate

[short plank]

well IRL rex could only go 18kmh or 18mph i forget which

[limber hull]

26.2

[normal shuttle]

there are like 50 posts this year and all in the recent months

all about giving a little skin to tyrannosaurus' jaws

[hushed flint]

It’s not stupid because it’s a completely valid claim to want a better Rex face,but that’s all I’m gonna say

[short plank]

ava stop we moved on from that convo you are causing more drama

[indigo gulch]

[normal shuttle]

this is such a weird estimate. Because adults such as Stan would definitely go faster

[hushed flint]

Yea but judging from the Rex model(especially the skull) they couldn’t care less about irl

[short plank]

idk it was smth like that last i heard but i think the highest was 25 smth

so maybe it will be faster than stego it just seems odd considering the weight difference

[normal shuttle]

7 ton stego, more growth time and more capacity to fend off a rex

[hushed flint]

I think no matter what a stego should distance itself as far as possible from a Rex

[normal shuttle]

in case it can't as of now

[short plank]

vs a 9.3 ton behemoth

[normal shuttle]

yep, an adult stegosaurus

seems fine to me

[short plank]

i agree it should be a good match but rex should stil win

[normal shuttle]

it can

but also it is a risk

[hushed flint]

I think it’ll be close if stego uses power swing and gets headshots

[short plank]

i just don't see a stego fighting a rex imo

its not big enough in my eyes in terms of hight

[hushed flint]

And the bleed on the Rex will be crazy from it

[normal shuttle]

It can three shot deinos already

[short plank]

thats because they are around the same size whereas rex is tons larger than a stego

[normal shuttle]

2 tons larger isn't around the same size

[hushed flint]

Rex is only 1.3 tons larger than deino,so a stego can 4 shot it with power swing headshots

[short plank]

jeez

i forget the weight diffs alot

i thought they were around the same size

[normal shuttle]

deino is 8, stego is 6

its damage is just that good

[short plank]

although at the end of the day a deino isn't supposed to fight on land

whereas rex is

[normal shuttle]

true, but it is still a 8 ton target that can get melted in an instant for reference

deino dies in less than 3 seconds 😭

[grizzled matrix]

Bro looks like the 🤓 emoji

[short plank]

oh yeah but rex is taller and probably stronger in terms of bite force (in-game not IRL)

[normal shuttle]

stego can aim its power swing up and down

perfectly reaches its head

[short plank]

yes but will that help against rex bite we don't know yet

[normal shuttle]

we do

[short plank]

we have to see how powerful rexes bite and its health will be like

[limber hull]

then dont give rex murder sprint and make it slower than stego lol

[short plank]

i agree rex should not have a murder sprint at all and should be slow

[short plank]

we don't lol

its not in-game yet

[normal shuttle]

we do

[short plank]

how

[normal shuttle]

it's in the game

files and minecrafting the data

rex has like 850 bite force

afaik

[short plank]

DEAR GOD

WHAT is stego gonna do lol

[cosmic vortex]

#general-feedback message @tender latch bros feedback was so bad that even the bot didnt give it a ✅ or ❌ 😭

[short plank]

one headshot and its game over for that stego

[normal shuttle]

kill it

[desert arch]

Rex 4 shots stego to the head, stego 4 shots rex to the head. Wow, sounds surpiringly balanced

[urban flax]

pin

[wooden agate]

i dont see why lips are suddenly now an issue on rex considering like 10 people cared about it when rex's model was revealed for legacy

[desert arch]

Surely not

[normal shuttle]

impossible

[short plank]

i don't think a stego should 4 shot a rex but it prob will .....

[urban flax]

10 people ? You mean half the playerbase at that time ? (I wasn't there)

[normal shuttle]

why not

[wooden agate]

does it look nice with lips? yah i guess

do i care enough to spend 10 minutes writing feedback about it? no, it looks fine

[short plank]

because of the head size

[wooden agate]

i think we were averaging 1000 players at a time around then so we werent doing bad

[normal shuttle]

git gud then

ambush the steg or try to get around it

[cosmic vortex]

are we still talking about lips?

[normal shuttle]

it is balanced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[short plank]

no i mean logistically it shouldn't be able to do that much damge