general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

So wait for modding to be out and community servers will mod it in

Devs have confirmed modding, so that'll be your solution

[gilded drift]

No, it should be added now because it would be a good feature for people while they wait for new updates

[cursive wave]

Studies sayed that they cant Roar or smth just like grupple and sohard too explain in english sry

[urban flax]

Don't confuse immersion and realism
Also did you know there is a lore reason why the bees only attack adults ?

[golden horizon]

But it will slow down rex and allo

[hollow flume]

Those are educated guesses

[gilded drift]

lore /=/ realism

[limber hull]

That feature would slow down said new updates lol

[urban flax]

Studies that predate the discovery of larynxes in some dinos

[hollow flume]

No one was alive during dinosaurs my guy

[urban flax]

what

[gilded drift]

the point was about realism anot not lore, if you took time to read then you'd know

[limber hull]

No one is saying the game is realistic

Everyone knows it isn't

[gilded drift]

then why did you base your point off of realism

[urban flax]

When was the point about realism ?

[limber hull]

I based it off immersion

[golden horizon]

Dinosaurs actually spoke Chinese, prove me wrong

[urban flax]

Also there kinda is a balance issue with voice chat

[cursive wave]

no one did ur a right but why should it not be a normal option for a server too add VC for Dinos?

[hollow flume]

Realism in a video game debate in 2025. Lmao one dude said the diets don't make sense...the diets are the most fleshed out mechanic in this fkn game

[gilded drift]

The coding for simple proximity vc isn't allat

[cursive wave]

because u think to realistic

[limber hull]

Would you rather them add new dinosaurs or VC for only community servers

[urban flax]

Because dinos making noises when chatting is an important part of gameplay and avoiding predators

[cursive wave]

surely but its not hard to make that when they add it for Humans

[limber hull]

When it's species-based and needs to work alongside the game's other communication systems, it's a hassle

[limber hull]

Yes because only humans will have it and they can design around the fact

[gilded drift]

When did I EVER say species based

[cursive wave]

that u know from like where?

[icy lion]

Oh even worse

[limber hull]

Wait so what we got like ceras screaming slurs at the stegos now

[gilded drift]

A carno chasing some omniraptor and talking to them in proximity vc is a good feature

[limber hull]

Okay lol no wait for modding

[gilded drift]

Also

[urban flax]

what lol

[limber hull]

Literally, just wait for modding

You'll get exactly that I'd imagine

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[gilded drift]

If you can chat to your species in abcs, you might as well be able to proximity vc to them

in official

and for community, it should be proximity for every species (option)

[limber hull]

Well then the devs would have to balance it out

Which would add complications

[gilded drift]

what's the reason to not adding it as an option for community

[gilded drift]

It would not and you have to accept that

[limber hull]

Because it'll probably be a mod and it doesn't fit the dev's visions

Like brother the devs don't wanna do it

They're adding mod support BECAUSE they don't wanna do stuff like that

That's why mod support is planned. You can make your crazy dreams real

[gilded drift]

How do you know that it doesn't

[urban flax]

Some objectively bad features are just not worth working for, even for "extra customization" for community servers

[limber hull]

Because they've said so

[cursive wave]

i just hope they Balance the game soon
Dont know how they wanna balance
rex and Trike with smaller animals rn
Would be better in my opinion too add a Allosaur first cuz then the Maia have a Fair fight Oponnent
and the Allo could in a Pack prob Hunt Rexes but i dont know any other Animal beside of Omni pack that could hunt Rex

[verbal notch]

Have fun because I was talking about the DEV’s testing their game, not the players

[gilded drift]

You said that already but provided no proof of it

[urban flax]

And tbh, a feature that exists only for community servers has no reason to even exist in the first place, outside of mods

[gilded drift]

They never specifically addressed it and denied that very idea

[limber hull]

The proof will be the lack of proximity VC for dinosaurs in the forseeable future

That is my proof

[gilded drift]

That's just not true

[urban flax]

explain.

Why waste time developing something if that this is not going to be part of the game

[gilded drift]

What the ##(#/ is the difference between a community and official server besides one being official and one being community?

there should be a difference made, more freedom for the community servers

[gilded drift]

it's not wasted time and we already agreed on that, it's so that in the meantime there is a feature to enjoy while they wait for update

[urban flax]

That freedom will be modding

[urban flax]

Who agreed on that ?

[gilded drift]

I am not talking about modding, I'm talking about a feature added to community servers as an option

And requesting it to be made by a dev

[urban flax]

So add a bad feature, making the update longer, so that people can wait for the update ?

[urban flax]

Which is why people disagree

[gilded drift]

Define bad feature, how is it a bad feature at all? Is it because you're a roleplayer and don't accept that it's a game?

This is a game, not a masters degree

[urban flax]

Because it ruins immersion wherever it's enabled
Because it doesn't take balance into account
Because it does not align with the vision of the game
Because it will not be enabled on officials (for the above reasons)

[gilded drift]

Objectively, factually, and truly - undeniably, you can't deny that people will find fun in the feature

[gilded drift]

Why is it a problem that it won't be on officials? for the 100th time, the suggestion is for community servers

You're a mod

[urban flax]

I have no issue with unofficial server owners wanting to make the experience worse in their server
What's an issue is when they want devs to do it for them

[gilded drift]

You have yet to explain how it would make the experience worse

How is it unbalanced

[normal shuttle]

Imagine being forced to hear people yelling slurs through voice chat

[lilac bolt]

^

[urban flax]

Allowing people to communicate cross-species ? Being able to communicate without making noise ?

[gilded drift]

This is the exact reason why you would find at least 2 proxVC servers active at all times,

[ivory wren]

The Herrera going around playing Travis Scott

[gilded drift]

Not exactly that but yeah that sort of tomfoolery

[normal shuttle]

Is this trolling?

[gilded drift]

Take time to realize that some games have 70% of their audience DUE to their prox vc @urban flax

Evrima would be gaining more audience, from different interests as well

[normal shuttle]

Take time to realize the isle is not one of those games

[normal shuttle]

We don’t need to turn the game into popular slop either

[gilded drift]

Which was a thing for the entirety of legacy's existence

[gilded drift]

More popular = more money = more opportunity for faster updates

[gilded drift]

Take time to realize that the isle is a game

[urban flax]

And surprisingly, the recode got rid of that

[gilded drift]

There would be at least 2 proxVC servers consistently active with 100 players

which is why it should be an option for community servers.
many would find fun in it and it would attract a larger audience

the occasional troodon blasting china's national anthem or something, whatever the other person said

[urban flax]

The money argument (baseless btw)

[gilded drift]

Wrong

[urban flax]

Afterthought are among the rare dev teams today who try to make the game they want, rather than a game that brings as much money as possible
They're working on a passion project, let's not change that

[gilded drift]

@urban flax

If the devs had 300 million dollars, do you think the updates would have a higher chance of being faster?

Yes or no

[urban flax]

no

[normal shuttle]

Look at Hutch/Summ1t, we don’t need an influx of those people, nor is their money necessary because the isle is already succeeding in its niche

[gilded drift]

Nice bait

[lilac bolt]

the isle also at least tries to be at least somewhat immersive but adding vc for dinos can completely ruin the experience for people

[urban flax]

It's just confirmation to me that you don't know how game development works

[normal shuttle]

Take time to realize that not all games are made the same way

[gilded drift]

again, i said it as an option for community servers

not a base thing for the isle

[lilac bolt]

it'd be better to just wait for mods tbh

[normal shuttle]

Why can’t modders do it instead

Why should the devs bother with that

[lilac bolt]

good question

[gilded drift]

You don't know anything at all

Obviously if they had 300 million dollars, they would have more freedom in hiring to speed up development

faster hardware, more advanced tools (and hiring people that can use these tools to their extent)

**Smaller developers may hesitate to push updates too often because of cost risks (e.g., updates that flop or break the game).

Larger companies with financial cushion can afford to experiment and fix things on the fly.**
which would easily satisfy the people who miss variation and more updates

They'd be able to hire legitimate QA testers, more project managers, developers (obviously there are devs out there 100 times better than what we have)

If they have access to the best hardware, and financial freedom to do anything for development, OBVIOUSLY the chance of faster development would be higher

You're just denying logic

[urban flax]

1. Hiring people does not necessarily means faster development, especially in the programmiong development

2. There is no such thing as more advanced tools compared to what they're using
   I do not think their hardware is a bottleneck either

3. Larger companies literally have less room to take risks than small ones and that's why every triple A game is the exact same nowadays

[gilded drift]

Saying that 300 million dollars won't higher the chance of faster updates, is absurd and proves you're illogical

[urban flax]

It has so many other factors that the amount of money is pretty much inconsequential

[gilded drift]

For example call of duty has constant updates, they wouldn't be able to do that with the financial capacity of what we have

do you think our devs have enough money to upkeep BO6?

[urban flax]

A bigger team means you can increase the scope of your game, not that it's gonna get developed faster

[gilded drift]

Hiring more devs on humans for example, would spread out the work and make it faster

which can only be done through money

[urban flax]

But more money does not make more capale people spawn within your team, nor does it increase the work speed of already present people

[gilded drift]

If the devs had unlimited money and the same passion, obviously the development would be faster

the fact that you deny that is extreme copium

[lilac bolt]

things still take time money can help but it doesn't always make things substantially faster

[gilded drift]

Money is power 💀 what are you even saying

[gilded drift]

Yes things take time but development can be sped up with the right resources. of which cost money

[urban flax]

Devs stated multiple times they have no money issues, and they've been hiring, but only to some extent
It's fair to guess they want to remain a small team, which is perfectly understandable since it's a passion project, not a money-making huge company

[gilded drift]

A bankrupt car company produces less cars than a healthy car company

[gilded drift]

"Have no money issues" is not a counter argument

If they had unlimited money, they would have more freedom to develop the game faster

[urban flax]

If they don't need more money, then giving them more money won't whange much

[gilded drift]

If they have unlimited resources, obviously the game's development would be faster

[urban flax]

Money isn't the only resource when it comes to game development

[gilded drift]

Money is power, again like I said - you would have noticed if you read it
Resouces like the best tools for game development is accessible through what? money

manpower/workers are accessible through what? money

[urban flax]

Competence isn't

[gilded drift]

Money doesn’t make devs magically faster or smarter, but it gives the team access to better tools, more training, and extra help like outsourcing or hiring specialists.

That creates a smoother workflow, reduces burnout, and lets updates happen more often and with better quality

Extra help, spreading the work out (by PAYING people to do the work) = faster updates, so you're wrong and that's that @urban flax easy

If you have access to that, obviously you'd have more room to make updates more swiftly

[urban flax]

No
You'd have access to make a bigger game
Not faster

[lilac bolt]

as a hypothetical if they had unlimited money, any new employs both had everything the devs would look for and magically integrated themselves immediately into the workflow then for at least parts of development it would be faster but parts of development you still have to wait for

[urban flax]

If money made things faster, big companies would not take 5 years on average to develop a game

[gilded drift]

Okay so there is ABSOLUTELY 0 improvement to be made in the current development process, which would make the updates come faster?

That's your belief?

[lilac bolt]

in all honesty its a mixed bag some parts can go faster but some don't

[gilded drift]

They're perfect rn as they are according to @urban flax without any flaw

[urban flax]

I'm not claiming that, as I don't know everything going on in their backend
For the first part, if there was another pre-existing high quality dino survival game they could probably make the Isle faster as they could simply take inspiration from it instead of needing to experiment with every change they make and every mechanic they add

[urban flax]

Putting words in my mouth
I don't even have to speak anymore, you're doing the entire conversation by yourself

[gilded drift]

Are there improvements to be made in their development progress - from what we know?

[gilded drift]

Nope

You said that even if they have unlimited money, they will still not develop the game faster
That's you saying they have 0 flaws in their development

[urban flax]

nope

[gilded drift]

Okay, so does the development have flaws then? Yes or no

[urban flax]

Just make up the answer yourself, I'm not interested in this conversation anymore

[gilded drift]

Question-avoider

[urban flax]

fallacies specifically

[gilded drift]

Are you saying that their development has no flaws

@junior pasture If they bring back small things like this, it might become a trend

Honestly they shouldn't bring stuff back from legacy, it's in the past and it wasn't a good branc

@solemn bronze I agree deathroll should be a thing but this might be a stretch

But then again I do agree the stun is weird

IRL, realistically and according to realism - you won't get "stunned" just because you try to bite something that is bigger than yu

[solemn bronze]

lower threshold for grab and i dont think its a stetch, but clearly im ratio'd

[cyan flame]

What would you put the grab threshold at then?

[urban flax]

Deino is already the most lethal creature in the game by far, it doesn't any buff to its ability to kill

[solemn bronze]

I just don't think this is true...

[urban flax]

Can ambush from most waterways and oneshot anything under 4 tons, or anything 6 tons or less if they're swimming, without any possibility of fighting back

I think that qualifies as "most lethal creature in the game"

[solemn bronze]

Drink at one of the 9002 available safe drinking spots. I mean, this argument boils down to skill issue, "I make the most well known error in the game and don't like that deino can do that"

[urban flax]

Ok
No amount of buffing deino's killing power will change that

[solemn bronze]

It would at least stop the 26 steggos I see everyday from just standing there with their tails in the water

[lilac bolt]

thats more of a map issue then a deino issue

[urban flax]

You know what else would stop them ? Not taking the bait

[urban flax]

It is not an issue until there is proper counterplay against deino's lunge

[cyan flame]

Okay, and then what happens when the trikes, rexes, and spinos do it?

[lilac bolt]

thats fair yeah

[gilded drift]

If the devteam had unlimited money, they could literally hire individual teams for every single dinosaur in every aspect

sound development, animation, etc

which would make updates come faster

[cyan flame]

But it's stego doing it, so bad xD

[gilded drift]

spinosaurus would have been ready by now lol

[lilac bolt]

we get it relax lol

[gilded drift]

even hypos would be here atp

[urban flax]

If speed, and not quality, is the only thing that matters to you, then yeah

But I hope I don't need to explain to you what would happen if you have a different team working on each dino

[gilded drift]

imagine they had individual teams working on each individual dinosaur at all times from the very start

that's doable with money

[gilded drift]

nope, it would all be with quality

imagine a team with the same standards set, working on each dino

obviously we would have more updates

you're just stubborn and don't want to admit infinite money would help

[cyan flame]

So? We're not in that situation, nor is it likely, especially not if you're talking "infinite" money at that

[gilded drift]

Bublublu is saying that the development would not be a second faster with the help of 300 extra million dollars

Which I'm disputing

[cyan flame]

Would it help, sure, could things be done faster, better, and so on, sure, I doubt anyone is near perfect, but is it neccesary or relevant?

[gilded drift]

It's a logical fallacy

[gilded drift]

It was relevant in a point made earlier, and then it became its own discussion

[ivory wren]

With less incentive it would be slower

[cyan flame]

Well, of course some things would be done faster, that's kind of obvious, I doubt that was the point though, more so that it's not magically just going to deliver a finished game here and now, but to be fair, I didn't really read through, it seemed more like you were just getting stuck on one specific point

[gilded drift]

wdym

[urban flax]

It was all under the assumption that allowing people to yell slurs at each other on unofficial servers would actually bring more money than adding new dinos or mechanics

[cyan flame]

What? What does that have to do with the potential of massive funding?

[gilded drift]

yeah it's obvious but @urban flax hates the idea of money being helpful so he denies it

[urban flax]

Voice chat for dinos = lots of money for the game

[gilded drift]

What is keeping you from admitting that infinite money would make development faster, while still keeping quality? it's obvious

[cyan flame]

Right, but, the entire argument seems really odd to me, yes, more resources do tend to help, since they're kind of neccesary to get anywhere with anything, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything else

[gilded drift]

No, Never said that - you're lying

[cyan flame]

Also voice chat for dinos isn't a thing last I checked, humans will get it, but not dinos, they're stuck with well, dino noises

Which is, if you use the calls properly, perfectly fine

Though it would have been nice with additional calls

[urban flax]

So you can speak on my behalf but when I do it to you it's not fine anymore ?

[normal shuttle]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how game development works

[gilded drift]

I can go back and prove you just lied, you cannot

[normal shuttle]

Lerd, obviously

[gilded drift]

Nope

[normal shuttle]

Dunning Kruger effect-

You are confident in your ignorance

[urban flax]

whoops

[gilded drift]

I never said that infinite money would mean infinitely faster or infinitely more quality

I said that it would be faster to an extent, and more quality to an extent

[normal shuttle]

Not necessarily either. It would just have bigger budget but the game wouldn’t go necessarily faster, or at least not much more.

And bruh, what does this even have to do with voice chat? Do you GENUINELY believe that a voice chat will suddenly make their sales skyrocket?

[cyan flame]

Why would VC do that much? Also I imagine you might have a lot of people not wanting VC anyway

And well, we got discord at that

[gilded drift]

The discussion is solely about more money equaling a higher chance of faster/more quality in development

[normal shuttle]

And all of that is a sidetrack from the whole voice chat suggestion

[gilded drift]

@normal shuttle Are you saying the development has 0 flaws as of now? yes or no

[normal shuttle]

…no?

[gilded drift]

Yeah it is a sidetrack, we moved on from it

[normal shuttle]

Why even ask that?

[gilded drift]

Okay, can you mention any flaws at all in development rn?

What possible flaws could they have right now, which holds them back

[cyan flame]

How can you guys still be stuck on this

[normal shuttle]

Shifting goals in development has slowed things down significantly over the years

That’s the biggest flaw any knowledgeable person could have

[gilded drift]

Are there any other flaws

[normal shuttle]

But it seems that now they’re taking a solid direction

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[gilded drift]

Really? What kind of flaws

[normal shuttle]

I can also think of priorities with some members of the roster

And maybe character design in some creatures such as dilo as well

Or working on things that are still very far away, although that does sort of tie into shifting goals as many things start but not all come to an end

But I personally don’t think that them taking their time to do a good job and put quality above quantity is a bad thing at all

[gilded drift]

If they had an individual team specialized for each dinosaur, one team for maps, etc - do you think the development would be swifter with more quality as well as being faster?

[normal shuttle]

They sort of have that already

Obviously visualtech doesn’t work in coding dinosaur abilities

Nor does Kissen do buildings and environments

[gilded drift]

What I mean is

If they have a team consisting of 1 animator, 1 sound designer, 1 designer etc - for every dino, do you think it would be swifter - faster, and higher quality?

@normal shuttle

[normal shuttle]

And Dondi isn’t an animator

[cyan flame]

You could do that, but it would require a whole lot of training, and specific ways to go about it, which might not be worth it

Sure, there are some ways to acheive what I think you're trying to argue, but it's not neccesarily worth it

[normal shuttle]

If you had 300 developers all working in perfect synchronization, some work would be way quicker even though coding would still go at its own pace, likely yes

But that is a very unrealistic and unviable hypothetical

[gilded drift]

Do you think infinite money would allow the chance of that scenario to be higher?

Having more independent teams for seperate things, spreading out the work more

[cyan flame]

I guess working in shifts would help too, making sure there's never any break anywhere for any work

[gilded drift]

@normal shuttle

[urban flax]

You need to understand that at some point people get tired of answering to your fallacies

[gilded drift]

You already established you refuse to answer to questions so you're not welcome

[thorn folio]

yes bro if i could earn 500 bucks an hour vs 15 bucks an hour i would be flipping burgers so fast 😭😭🙏

[urban flax]

Don't be mistaken, it has everything to do with you specifically
I usually enjoy debates

[gilded drift]

if the company had the budget of giving you 500 an hour, they could instead hire 3 more people

you wouldn't flip burgers faster, but 3 others would flip equally good burgers
resulting in more burgers

more attention put to each burger also, instead of 1 juggling between them all

[potent solar]

why i see fishflyings???

[cyan flame]

The fish in the Isle were made a bit different, someone in the team had some weird ideas you see. On a more serious note, probably bugged out, in one way or another.

[gilded drift]

You said that infinite money won't hellp the game's development in any aspect at all
that's a very illogical and badly thought out statement, of which your purpose was just disagreeing - instead of thinking

[cyan flame]

@boreal thorn Isn't that just normal grass?

[urban flax]

Ok I'll be honest
I answered no because I didn't want to follow your made-up narrative

[gilded drift]

believe it or not, there was a time where flying deinos was a thing

[gilded drift]

you answered alot of questions, just not the last ones where i was about to make you agree

[urban flax]

You mean the fallacies
That's precisely it

[gilded drift]

Wait you're lying again

[urban flax]

If you "make someone agree" without changing their mind, you're not winning a debate, you're forcing a narrative onto them

[gilded drift]

You genuinely stated that infinite money won't help at all, that was your statement and belief

Now you're contradicting yourself and saying that you just said it to not follow "a narrative"

what "narrative" are you on about? this isn't some deepstate conspiracy theory

it's just a game

[cyan flame]

@urban flaxI have to admit, I'm a little confused as to why you can't just agree that yes, more money will help, in one way or another, because well, that's how things work.

[urban flax]

I still stand by everything I said, I'm not contradicting myself

[cyan flame]

The whole discussion you two are having is so weird, more resources will by definition allow for more things, it's just how it works

[urban flax]

Because I don't like it when people try to force a narrative on me

[gilded drift]

First you say that infinite money won't help at all what so ever

Now you say that you only said it to "not follow a narrative", implying that you're taking it back

that's a contradiction lol

[cyan flame]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what you even mean with that, but maybe my understanding and definition of those words are different

[urban flax]

And asking a yes/no question on a probelm that is way too complex is precisely that

[boreal thorn]

thats algae

[cyan flame]

But it's not complex

[gilded drift]

"force a narrative" bro YOU'RE the one that disagreed with it to start with, you picked it out of a large message and started a convo on it

[spring island]

plz help

[urban flax]

Using a yes/no question to force people to agree with you although they have a different point of view

[boreal thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/723260797719019620 for evrima
https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401485101046693888 for legacy

[cyan flame]

There's no force, if it's yes or no, it's yes or no

[gilded drift]

If I manage to "force you to agree", then you were just wrong

[urban flax]

The topîc is game development, yes game dev is complex

[cyan flame]

If it's an opinion, then it's just that, if it's a fact, it's either yes or no

[gilded drift]

So you lied when you said that you believe infinite money won't help? @urban flax

[cyan flame]

It's not, it's just development, like all other

[icy lion]

@gilded drift @cyan flame @urban flax Can you drop the subject please? It's clogging up the chat and has gone off rails at this point

[cyan flame]

No idea why people think game dev is this magical thing or exempt from how everything else works

[urban flax]

alr
I should have done that long ago anyway

[gilded drift]

Lol

[cyan flame]

Alright, never been out there, not had a good look at it

[gilded drift]

@boreal thorn it wouldn't be that logical, realism wise

[normal shuttle]

Also, what plans would that have for the future? congrats, you somehow hired a laughably high amounts of devs that took you months to assemble and somehow organized all of them, just to finish their part in a long time and now they can go elsewhere

It’s just an absurd hypothetical

Self evidently flawed

[gilded drift]

did you wait all this time for the mod to shut the conversation, just to avoid my question?

wow good move

[cyan flame]

It would work, what would happen afterwards would be well, I guess they'd all get fired. Point is, there are ways to do things, that would work.

[normal shuttle]

Okay I read Lunary’s post now

I’m gonna SHADDAP!

[thorn folio]

@shy mauve trikes endlag should not be lowerred because picture this… you are a human right but you are very fat were talking 10 tons fat wow fat yes very fat and now imagine you jump forward (10 tons btw) it’s probably going to take a little bit to back up to where you once were (10 tons)

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message NICKBOAY FAN DETECTED, FIRE AT WILL

Literally copying stuff from the video and comments from one of his latest vids

[normal shuttle]

Terrible reasoning

[urban flax]

Dos you knowing that mean you watch his videos ?

I thought better of you

[normal shuttle]

Peach/Porosus sent me the link yesterday so we could point and laugh together

[cyan flame]

I did check a few of the latest ones, just for the sake of seeing what the comments were like, it went as expected

[normal shuttle]

Just that

I don’t usually look it up

[normal shuttle]

They’re all scrubs 😭

Why not just asking for the volume to be tuned rather than proclaiming that the devs don’t test their own game which is also factually untrue?

In fact, doesn’t that count as misinformation?

[urban flax]

forgiven

[normal shuttle]

I’ve seen Dondi getting killed in officials 😭 😭

And fighting

[urban flax]

People can't get banned for misinfo on youtube

[normal shuttle]

Oh yeah I know

But sometimes it’s mentioned in this server because they mad

[cyan flame]

Because working with what we get in the game is harder than just not having it

[normal shuttle]

Trueing

@verbal notch why not just asking for it to be tuned brudha?

And no, ambushing isn’t dead

It just takes more skill now

Nicky the boay is wrong

[verbal notch]

Lmao, I genuinely did play hordetest before I watched his video though

[normal shuttle]

Good…kinda

[verbal notch]

That is a good point I didn’t think of

[normal shuttle]

Also makes jungle pursuits not impossible without tracks on someone

[faint folio]

I mean... Idk if I was a dev, I'd start by making the bush sounds loud, so that I can mechanically test they are working as intended, then reduce for balance

[cyan flame]

You could ambush way before we even had much in the way of bushes, by hiding in other ways or spots. Even under trees (old maps, old trees), just like how water was never safe, even before deino. But people like to ignore that lakes were always good hunting grounds.

[verbal notch]

Yeah that is a nice benefit, I might go delete my feedback lol

[normal shuttle]

You can edit it too

And put anything else rather than kind of poking the devs

So they can actually get something of value out of that

[verbal notch]

Yeah now that I look back, that jab I made was unnecessary-

[normal shuttle]

It’s okay

🫂

[verbal notch]

Thanks for being chill though

[normal shuttle]

Nickboay loses one man today

Yw

A win for the Islecord cult of glazers

[verbal notch]

XD he’s still got some good fighting tips tho

[hollow flume]

He has a debatable take on the sound. So what

The range is probably to far

Too*

[verbal notch]

I’ll probably just personally turn down my own games bush sounds if they aren’t tuned much by the time hordetest is over

[normal shuttle]

I mean yeah. He’s got some horrid takes but at least is far above average in PvP

[verbal notch]

You just made me laugh out loud in class 🤣

[normal shuttle]

Not his only bad take, so I and a few others decided to laugh at that bush video when it released

[hollow flume]

I'm sure he's more knowledgeable than a lot of you

[faint folio]

I haven't played hordetest- is the bush sound volume responsive to speed? I'd think more than size, speed is super important - a big cat stalking and carefully placing feet to reduce noise makes a lot less noise than a squirrel sprinting for the nearest tree

[normal shuttle]

In what field?

[hollow flume]

Quantum physics

[normal shuttle]

It is different depending on your speed apparently but the sound goes so much farther than you would expect and you can hear it from like a hundred meters away even if it’s a troodon trotting through a bush

[normal shuttle]

Good, I know more about anime, memes and the isle. I clearly am a more successful man

[faint folio]

Ew

[hollow flume]

Anime causes depression

[normal shuttle]

I know, and I in fact watch none even though saying that joke at first will make my denial hard to believe

Either way

Nick is an Omni glazer

Also angry gamer

[hollow flume]

So the usual human being

Mind blowing

[normal shuttle]

Usual human beings don’t fall for the omni victim complex!!!

[lilac bolt]

i don't think its healthy or normal to be constantly mad at the games you play

[normal shuttle]

^ lmao…

I am kinda a raging gamer at times tho-

[urban flax]

Tell that to any League of Legends player

[lilac bolt]

lol

[urban flax]

In fact they would probably agree
And keep raging

[lilac bolt]

yeah an every once in a while thing is fine imo

[shy mauve]

hm I guess thats a fair point

[normal shuttle]

I got warned in a server once because I lost a beipi to a juvenile Omni, and after that I grew an Omni and basically did this multiple times to others, pinning them down and spitting out all sorts of hellish profanities to random omnis I found…

[shy mauve]

but for baby they should make it faster

[normal shuttle]

So I think I am the most toxic and angry gamer I know…

[hollow flume]

Ah so we have confirmed bias against raptors pin mechanics. I'm sure that has nothing to do with your take on nick

[normal shuttle]

I did it like 10 or so times before being stopped

[potent solar]

what is pining?

[normal shuttle]

Would that undermine my stance even though I’ve played omni too and I agree that it is janky and needs some help in some regards?

[normal shuttle]

The thing raptors to do lighter things of pinning them in place and killing them with no counterplay in one button press

[hollow flume]

It does undermine it. Considering most people are emotional thinkers

[normal shuttle]

It absolutely doesn’t

[potent solar]

same thing as deinos do

[lilac bolt]

omni's pin mechanic is fine i guess? although preferably id like to keep a limit on how many one shot mechanics there are yknow?

[cyan flame]

Yes, and it's not neccesarily fun or great for deino either

[normal shuttle]

You don’t even know what my whole stance in omni is and you are disqualifying it by talking about the person. That is fallacious

[fast ledge]

where i can find the dino to play him?

[normal shuttle]

I don’t think it’s fine at all that the big game pack hunter has a one shot move on a third of the roster and they cannot fight back at all and can get pinned in the tail or even do they are on the omnis side or on its butt

So easy to use and so punishing for others

[normal shuttle]

Ad hominem in fact

[potent solar]

one day i had a small raptor pining my stego

[icy lion]

What are you looking for?

[potent solar]

i couldnt even land a hit

[fast ledge]

the deinosuchus

[icy lion]

Right click the game in your steam library, click properties, click betas, select the drop-down bar and select evrima

[normal shuttle]

Playing deino as a beginner

@urban flax he’s gonna end up hating the game

[fast ledge]

ahh okay

i guess so to xd

[urban flax]

See ? My theory was right

[normal shuttle]

Deino somehow managing to not be just miserable for everyone involved in game, but on top of that acting as a magnet to make people dislike the game

[urban flax]

Please be warned : deinosuchus is extremely beginner-unfriendly, and reliant on map knowledge and luck to play

[normal shuttle]

So peak ()

[hollow flume]

Deino was and still is my favorite dino. I tried deino my first day playing

[normal shuttle]

Hurts me to say this, but cera is a much better option for carnivores

[verbal notch]

I never get past 30% grown before I ask nearby hatchies to kill me and end my misery

[normal shuttle]

You’re getting nowhere as deino as a first timer

[hollow flume]

Its actually easier to play as a beginner

[verbal notch]

Recently started playing cera as an ex-raptor main, can confirm, been having a lot of fun lately

[normal shuttle]

Good!

I hate it with all of my being

[normal shuttle]

It’s also the most beginner friendly and least punishing currently

[hollow flume]

After playing deino and then land dinos I would say deino is more beginner friendly

[normal shuttle]

Deino is NOT beginner friendly

[verbal notch]

Yeah, especially with things like body buff and temporarily slowing down the enemy while they vomit, it’s extremely beginner friendly

[normal shuttle]

It needs game and map knowledge in order to actually work as a solo player

And also newbies are such fools that they just get massacred by cannibals

And guess which creature has by far the highest amount of cannibals proportionately

[hollow flume]

One look at your diet list and you would know

One look around the pond and u can see fish

Land dinos need a map way more

[urban flax]

stego ?

[normal shuttle]

They don’t know how to cook, they don’t know where to snatch people, they don’t know who is trustworthy, they don’t know where to find fish, they don’t know the surface visibility exploit…You are dooming most newcomers to misery by doing that

[normal shuttle]

Close but not really. I think deino has more

[hollow flume]

I learned the visibility bug in 5 mins

[normal shuttle]

Stego, dibble, cera and herra also have a lot

Why not just recommend noobs something normal like dryo

Or galli

[hollow flume]

What are your metrics for normal

[normal shuttle]

Not reliant on map knowledge, mechanics that are easy to understand, short growth times, (galli at least) further encourages people to keep good diets, can make good use of sanctuaries, and they’re easy to survive with since at least with galli it’s W+shift

[icy lion]

@grizzled aspen Clones deal the same damage as bites

[hollow flume]

Lol

[normal shuttle]

Galli is super easy to just pick and play with it while also learning the core mechanics

Instead of putting newcomers through deino when they have absolutely zero foreknowledge

[hollow flume]

Anyways this is all opinions. The game needs to have manual alt bite check marked by default

[lilac bolt]

true

[hollow flume]

As a pro gamer that's the only thing that was stupid

[normal shuttle]

Manual would help a lot

[hollow flume]

Not being on deino as a first timer. That was quite fun

[normal shuttle]

Pro player?

[hollow flume]

Avid gamer

[normal shuttle]

Isle esports

[hollow flume]

Also cannibal should be reserved for dinos that don't have their own species on their diets

I understand it's still cannibalism but it brings a negative connotation

[lilac bolt]

how many hours on the isle do the both of you have?

[hollow flume]

220

[normal shuttle]

1100

[normal shuttle]

they eat their own species, so cannibals

[hollow flume]

Right. Like I said

[urban flax]

Cannibalism, wether you're getting something out of it or not, is still cannibalism

The fact Isle players use it as an insult has no influence over what it actually means

[potent solar]

i only eat others when im hungry

[urban flax]

cannibal

[hollow flume]

Just a view point from a newer player

It was used negatively

Which gives people the wrong idea about deinos imo

[urban flax]

Yeah people use it as an insult
But there is no other word to describe someone eating their own species

[potent solar]

they eat it too in real life

[hollow flume]

Right as I already mentioned

I'm my original comment lol

[urban flax]

I think it gives the exact correct idea about deino

[hollow flume]

You are misunderstanding me.

[urban flax]

Which is that it's cannibalistic

[hollow flume]

Players should know that deinos are not friendly

[potent solar]

yes

[urban flax]

I'm really not sure I understand

[potent solar]

thats why they all ask if they are friendly ahaha

[urban flax]

What was your original point ?

[hollow flume]

My point was from what I've experienced people try to guilt trip you for eating another deino

New players only of course bc vets understane

[urban flax]

Oh well
The best course of action with these people is to eat them until they understand

[hollow flume]

Yea my thoughts exactly lmao

[potent solar]

i even let them grow bigger ahahaha

[hollow flume]

Same lmao

I learned that the hard way aswell

Good old water access

[urban flax]

That's something to expect when you're playing a croc which has itself in its diet list tbh

[hollow flume]

Exactly

That was my whole point. My bad if I didn't articulate that well enough

[potent solar]

but if there are stegos near by i can porpose a tag team to kill them

[hollow flume]

Nope I'll just kill you

I'll wait for a good head bite chance

[potent solar]

2 deinos can kill 1 stego

they only need to do 6 bites

[urban flax]

But another deino provides more food

[hollow flume]

If I see another deino...it's on sight

[urban flax]

Also I'm not sure stego is on deino's diet

[potent solar]

i prefer eat the stego

stegos need to die too lol

[hollow flume]

Bro in 20 hours of playtime I learned all the deino secrets

[grizzled aspen]

i've been told they deal twice the dmg by my friends but its still pretty op

[cyan flame]

Let the other deino go first, if it dies, you get food, if you somehow kill the stego, the other guy is wounded, finish them off for even more food!

[urban flax]

You'd almost make me want to play deino

[potent solar]

i only play deino

other dinos i have like 10 fps in fights

[cyan flame]

You should, put the fear of other deinos into them!

[potent solar]

u think a salt water deino is good?

[hollow flume]

Not really

[urban flax]

I don't hate myself enough to play the oversized gator

[hollow flume]

What do u play

[potent solar]

ahaha its just 8 tons

[urban flax]

I prefer small things
Also dibble

[hollow flume]

Deino and dilo are my favs followed very closely by raptor

[hollow flume]

I would like troodon if I can find good players that don't camp sanc all day

[potent solar]

i like raptors too and ceras

but cant fight a lot cz fps drops

[urban flax]

Troodon is fun, but yeah
Hard to play without a good pack

[hollow flume]

I don't understand people saying this I think v ram might be an issue

I get like 110 fps even in sp on petit

160 if not near sp

[urban flax]

What I learned with The Isle is that the worse your setup is, the better performances you'll get

[hollow flume]

The reason I say this is bc I have amd GPU and I have an excessive amount of vram

[urban flax]

I'm only half-joking

Optimization in this game is really weird

[hollow flume]

I think it's Nvidia failing alot of you

[urban flax]

Personnally I've got a decrease in performances almost every update where devs said they improved performance, and an increase whenever people were saying their performance worsened

[cyan flame]

If only!

[urban flax]

You should try playing it on Windows 95 and tell me how it goes

I think you'll easily get 600+ fps

Maybe play it on a computer with no graphics card as well

[gritty heart]

I’m a lifelong laptop gamer and I run the isle alright, even on high ping eu servers (I’m na)

Sometimes (due to uni wifi) I get a lag spike, but I rarely lose frames etc

[normal shuttle]

@ashen shell or maybe don't be a bad random killing your teammates than needed 90 minutes to grow

or well, just capitalize on that with the cannibal mutation to at least get something out of it

[ashen shell]

i obviously don't mean to bro

[normal shuttle]

if you didn't mean to, why have you done it repeatedly 😭

[ashen shell]

because it's easy to slip

[normal shuttle]

just learn how it works if you don't want it to happen rather than asking for herra being able to take 500 damage

[normal shuttle]

it's also easy to not hold right click all the way down

[cyan flame]

Don't you have to hold RMB to make the falling do damage?

[normal shuttle]

yes

[cyan flame]

Sounds like it's not all that accidental then? xD

[normal shuttle]

either laughably clueless or on purpose

[ashen shell]

i know how the branches work and i don't have to fall all the way down... a lot of them are climbing up because they're low on health

[cyan flame]

Be more aware of where your packmates are, I guess?

[normal shuttle]

okay, dont jump down on your teammates

[ashen shell]

i've genuinely killed people by slipping this far

[woeful latch]

when i jump as herrera i always hold rmb, so for a long time i had absolutely no idea i have to do it for the damage

[normal shuttle]

this is the same thing as omnis pinning their teammates. Just do stuff to prevent that from happening rather than asking to the devs to bandaid a skill issue

[woeful latch]

that was funny tho

i was shocked when i realized

[ashen shell]

pouncing teammates is a lot different from pinning, it's harder to run and jump onto someone than to slip off a branch because of a tiny desync issue and kill someone

[normal shuttle]

why are you even holding rmb as you fall

[ashen shell]

to latch back onto the tree?

[cyan flame]

But the odds of there being someone below you when you slip and fall, seems a little strange

Maybe just tell your teammates to not be near you when climbing xD

[normal shuttle]

or try to avoid being in the same tree as them

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message chat don’t be too harsh on this one, just let go

especially you @normal shuttle

[normal shuttle]

it's not that hard to avoid friendly fire unless all herras around or at least the jumper are absolutely clueless

[normal shuttle]

I am sorry

[ashen shell]

tbf they usually are the ones right up my ass while i'm climbing so that's kinda on them

[normal shuttle]

but that is SOOOO DUMB

[cyan flame]

@ashen shellI can get the issue, I can, but it does seem like there's at least a few alternative solutions, from you paying more attention, to warning your teammates to be careful around you.

[normal shuttle]

1000% DIET????? WHAT???

[normal shuttle]

yep

[cyan flame]

Well, if so, if someone complains, just tell them that

[ashen shell]

fairs

[woeful latch]

👽

[cyan flame]

Not your issue then, they need to be more wary

[woeful latch]

i’m about to write that 2.4t teno change and no one will stop me

[normal shuttle]

@compact sequoia growing a cera in 25 minutes after scavenging from a stego or killing a fresh spawn?

[ashen shell]

#general-feedback message
how could it be more rewarding if most deinos die by another deino lol

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[woeful latch]

NOOOO YOU PROMISED

-# you absolutely didn’t tho

[normal shuttle]

allos growing in 40 minutes after pinning a fresh spawn

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't this also risk snackrifice tendencies?

[normal shuttle]

absolute cinema

[woeful latch]

rex growing in no time eating other rexes (technically eating an apex)

[normal shuttle]

true, I could just kamikaze an apex and then spawn in as a carni to grow it in a millisecond

[compact sequoia]

why not ?.....how many times do apex die to non apexes ?

[compact sequoia]

i said only for non apexes

[woeful latch]

yeah i didn’t read it tbh lol

[cyan flame]

Especially since some of the ones, trike and stego, tend to be surprisingly large even as smalls

[woeful latch]

i read the first part and just ignored the rest

[zenith python]

allo grows in 40min after finding a dead fresh spawn trike

[normal shuttle]

when they are young? all the time

I just bodied like 5 juvi trikes back to back as troodon, so if I were an allo and I pinned one, should I go from 30% to 100% in 30 minutes? that's absurd

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[compact sequoia]

if fresh spawn apex dies even.....meat will be less

[cyan flame]

Well yes, but you're also small, since you're growing, isn't that the point?

[compact sequoia]

it takes lot of meat to reach excellent diet

[normal shuttle]

This could also encourage kamikaze tendencies

I could grow a juvi apex and make it a little fat, before killing it and scavenging to immediately get an adult mid tier.

[icy lion]

Not when you make it provide 500-1000% growth lmao

[compact sequoia]

you being non apex scarficing apex ?

[normal shuttle]

if they give you 1000% diet if you fill your whole stomach with them, that means that something like a fresh spawn cera could eat a fresh spawn and grow in an instant

[compact sequoia]

range can be limited

[normal shuttle]

you pick apex, grow just a little with it, then die near a spawn, and go back with your desired carni to grow it in less than an hour

absolute cinema

[lilac bolt]

elders are also a thing. so if i just happen to find an elder stego or trike dead from age would i basically just get a free growth period till it disappears?

[compact sequoia]

go play non apex when trex running around lol

[keen vigil]

aliant i think u should hush up boah before i kiss you

[normal shuttle]

why would that be a problem

[compact sequoia]

no age death time ?

[normal shuttle]

I am not concerned at all if there's gonna be like 4 adult rexes in a server at a given time

and all of them separated

[compact sequoia]

juvi sub adult can kill you

[normal shuttle]

juvis are gonna be such carno, omni and dilo fodder

and ig you can outmaneuver subs or simply not get ambushed

regardless, that amount of diet is absurd

[ashen shell]

agreeing with avaliant 1000% diet from apex meat is a bonkers wish

[compact sequoia]

point is when apex all drop.....there will be hardly 15 non apex player in servers

[lilac bolt]

yeah i know but they can still chose to die from age? so if im lets say a juvie allo and i stumble upon an elder apex corpse would it still apply?

[compact sequoia]

yes why not....
super rare occurrence you are lucky enough

[ashen shell]

a lot of people hate playing big slow things that take long to grow, there's usually around 20 non-apex dinos coming around sp all the time on this server

[normal shuttle]

seriously, does it sound ANY fair at all that maybe creatures like herrera are forced to grow normally in 90 minutes with fish and goats, but then maybe something like a cera can just smell a stego corpse a mile away and scavenge it to grow in 20 minutes?

Or you don't think that is an easily exploitable system because fresh spawns will fill their stomach and diets even with a juvenile apex corpse?

[normal shuttle]

clueless

even if there's 50-60 apexes in a server, I doubt much more than 10 are going to be adults

[compact sequoia]

maybe not 500 to 1000 but some reward still should be given

[normal shuttle]

they are brutal to grow

[normal shuttle]

you receive massive organs already

what else do you need

also that is one rival less to worry about

[compact sequoia]

grow rate increase

[normal shuttle]

what do you think organs are going to do?

[compact sequoia]

no they are not....i have rarely died as an apex

[normal shuttle]

stego and deino organs are very much a guaranteed +200% diet for a while

[bronze matrix]

this chat gives me a headache but i can't look away

[normal shuttle]

I am talking about trike, rex and the like

[icy lion]

Organs give you a growth rate increase

[compact sequoia]

they dont unless they fall in your diet

[normal shuttle]

not the goofy goober kindergaten tier apexes like stego

[icy lion]

All organs provide diet except for cannibalism

[normal shuttle]

?????

ORGANS GIVE YOU DIET NO MATTER WHAT

[icy lion]

The animal they came from doesn't have to be on your diet

[normal shuttle]

unless it is cannibalism without mut

exactly

[woeful latch]

ikr same

[normal shuttle]

I doubt there's going to be more than half a dozen adult trikes per server if they take 8 hours to grow on a permanent 300% (not really feasible)

[compact sequoia]

i still think apex meat should give you a big boost

[normal shuttle]

and rex? well, get ready for that 15 hour journey

spending 5-7 hours as carno fodder

[cunning shadow]

hey sorry i know its a bit of a couple days old but do you know if they also made their own assets for all the jungle and forest stuff? or is that a marketplace thing

[icy lion]

I'm not sure if every asset is handmade, but they do make their own foliage assets. ikarop was the dev for that, but they're a shader artist now

[normal shuttle]

it does when their organs are so large that a stego heart can fill up a cera's protein slot like 4 times before running out

[icy lion]

Huge organs will give a huge boost

[cunning shadow]

ah shoot, was hoping i could get hands on whatever foliage asset pack they used, i got my hands on most of the foliage but the others ones i got a hand on are either broken in some way or even missing

[compact sequoia]

i ate a deino as a dillo nothing happened

[normal shuttle]

you are getting x4 faster growth for a while after taking on a large enough apex

[normal shuttle]

what about the organs, bud

[compact sequoia]

i ate organs

not kidding

nothing happened

[normal shuttle]

yes it did

they probs filled up all your diet slots if the deino was large

[compact sequoia]

i killed a medium deino in land fighting it

as a dillo

[normal shuttle]

and you got rewarded for it

[compact sequoia]

it just filled my stomach

growth rate no change

[normal shuttle]

filled your stomach, filled your diet, and that's one deino less to worry about

[compact sequoia]

growth rate is crucial for non apex...as its useless if not adult....plus when game releases more apex...it would get a lot more difficult

[normal shuttle]

[ashen shell]

real (10/10 pfp)

[bronze matrix]

thanks
it's a cat

[ashen shell]

very beautiful cat

[compact sequoia]

to control your friendly fire get skills.....to get skills play more

[ashen shell]

"yeah guys apex meat should give 1000% growth rate"

[compact sequoia]

✅

[ashen shell]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-monkey-flip-clap-happy-gif-5658842

[ashen shell]

you are the coolest and funniest person on this server

[bronze matrix]

ok guys I'm out
that's enough for today i think

[ashen shell]

get your beauty sleep king

[eternal moss]

@hot crypt I like the idea, but with all that devs are working on atm, I don't think this will be added (if devs approved of it) anytime soon.

[hot crypt]

Oh I know, I just post it every now and again in hopes of achieving subliminal suggestion

[cyan flame]

... xD I do wish stego was proper apex, but alas!

@hot cryptThe threaten call thing would be so cool!

[daring talon]

holy based

[hollow flume]

Yea but for dilo you are good to go once you hit 41 percent and have venom

[eternal moss]

@alpine ravine thats the baby sound for almost every dino

[tepid laurel]

Not sure if it's been talked about in here before but, are there any plans to add a feature (maybe dino specifc for hunting hurt/injured dinos?) like in my current state I'm a cera on one of the servers and was sevearly injuered. Currently, its kind of easy to recover from that damage, but would find it more interesting if some other dino was able to both hear/smell out the injuries on my dino making it so that I can't just hide and heal. The whole time sitting in one place. There is some more things to be worked out but the concept would make certian portion of the game play loop more interesting

[indigo gulch]

That sounds awful ngl. It would make it almost impossible to recover from almost fatal injuries or escape from predators

Also the main reason why it is easy to recover from that is gastro

[latent olive]

@tropic tundra dont tag devs

bryanphilips is an animator

[gentle flint]

Ah yes it’s all the animators fault, let’s just break some rules about it ig

[limber hull]

i adore the fact, btw, that amarok is named zanorak now SIMPLY because these people always ping the first person on the member list

[tropic tundra]

dudesorrry i tagged the wrong person.. but man when are we going to patch these issues out

[latent olive]

report the bugs and move on

[tropic tundra]

wow

[limber hull]

thats literally what you do lol

[tropic tundra]

thats how you respond to your customers?

[lilac bolt]

what?

[limber hull]

what?

[tropic tundra]

report the bug and move on

[gentle flint]

Who were you even trying to tag anyway if you weren’t going to break Rule 1

Besides, the fastest way to get bugs fixed is to fill out the form in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 so that it can be tested and fixed in a timely manner rather than digging through some random feedback channel

[tropic tundra]

dude

everyone knows abotu the bug

its been going on for months

i simply asked when they were going to be patched out

i play /stream this game everday

[gentle flint]

Ah yes I know you, I’ve seen your name around

Doesn’t change the fact that their preferred method of bug reports is still the bug report channel, check the pins of #general-feedback to see that it isn’t a place for bug reports or questions.

Unfortunately just the way that it is, not trying to be cruel about it just letting you know that your post will likely get deleted for breaking rules and that if you want to actually try to help get it fixed, there is an actual place to do so

[normal shuttle]

Give this to pachy. Viable again

[tropic tundra]

breaking the rules is the only time I was reponded to.. So ill call it a win

[gentle flint]

That’s not necessarily a good thing, but your hole to dig I guess

[normal shuttle]

@tropic tundra BRUH 😭 😭

That was clueless funny though

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[lapis swallow]

@tropic tundra bro really tagged a animator to fix a bug

[urban flax]

Bryan gonna change his name to zbryan

[calm kelp]

mix packing protection/friendly fire prevention when attacked by a carnivore as a herbivore you can't attack or be attacked by any other herbivores for 30 seconds and the effect would be the same for carnivores but vice versa

[limber hull]

so i can mixpack with a dryo as a t-rex

it bites me, i become invincible, and no herbivore can stop me

hell, add a troodon in too, and now i'm just invinicible to everything

huge buff to mixpackers

even if i can't attack the stego yet, i can use that invincibility to bait out a few stego swings and then it's easy pickings

[urban flax]

That's a buff for mixpackers

Be a carnivore mixpack with your herbivore friend
Go in for the first bite

Now the prey cannot damage your friend who happily destroys them

[calm kelp]

ye def could be abused ngl

[urban flax]

It's more useful for abusers than it is useful to prevent mixpacking

[limber hull]

issue with most mixpacking solutions is that they end up being REALLY good for helping mixpackers mixpack better LMAO

ironically, I have yet to see a mixpack solution besides "make them easier to detect via scent" that doesn't immediately monkey paw the player

[calm kelp]

i got baited by a cera n killed by a stego mixpackers so im just brainstorming ways to solve the issue

[gilded drift]

are you suggesting this for officials?

weird, woke solutions like this should be kept to those weirdo roleplay community servers

[calm kelp]

just an idea off the top of my head tbh

[gilded drift]

IRL, you can find some animals having symbiosis like the tarantula and the frog

so mixpacking is a part of the realism

[frank tapir]

"woke"

[gilded drift]

Those servers with "don't attack without 3call" and "don't steal food" whatever, that's woke bs

[frank tapir]

okay

[gilded drift]

the reality is that there is absolutely 0 solutions for mixpacking

it just happens and it has to be accepted

[urban flax]

There is 1

[calm kelp]

im staying on unofficial until the devs figure it out

[gilded drift]

yeah me too and together we'll toootally make a difference

[gilded drift]

No, nothing that won't stunt the immersion of the game

immersion being a very important factor according to you

[urban flax]

Yes there is 1 solution that would prevent mixpacking

Without breaking immersion

[frank tapir]

and there are other mechanics that can help to push against mixpacking without directly addressing it

[urban flax]

Such as ?

[frank tapir]

disease, elders, strains

[urban flax]

Oh right
Yeah

Well elders I don't see how but the rest yeah

[frank tapir]

I assume part of an ideal life to get to elder would be not mixpacking

[limber hull]

depends how well they can track that

[gilded drift]

Realistically and immersionly speaking, not really

[urban flax]

Yes there is 1

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message why should a cannibalistic apex carnivore be incentivized to work with a team? Also stegos would be cooked and it would be laughably unfair for that if that could be the case

Deino sucks but it is not necessarily weak when it is the hardest hitting thing in the game by a long shot

[urban flax]

big gator

There is one thing that absolutely does not need to be buffed with deino, which is its ability to kill

[limber hull]

it needs a few survivability buffs imho

[normal shuttle]

Imagine with the new animation lock you have where you cannot immediately fight back or run away from the water

Stego does for a drink, two deinos that were completely invisible and impossible to hear suddenly pull up and drag it to the water

So fair and engaging

[limber hull]

i still see it as fine if it has one of the game's longest starvation times

it's a bigass, stationary opportunist

[normal shuttle]

Agreed. I really hate how rn you are basically at the mercy of other deinos when you’re not fg

And even fg because imagine going to sp in order to not starve and there’s already two gators by the river

I hate having an apex who relies almost entirely on gambling, grouping and others showing mercy to you

[limber hull]

ya basically

also i want it to have basking because cool fun little immersive gimmick wee hee hee

[urban flax]

I think deino deserves a lot of buffs actually
But none of them can come until there is actual counterplay for its lunge

[normal shuttle]

Also a noob stomper, that design for hunting and lurking sucks

Since you have zero agency over what you eat due to safe spots.

So imagine how miserable it must be to get an elder deino as you pray to come across bad players who drink where they shouldn’t

Completely not reliant on skill. Just having a buddy for canni protection and hoping you come across enough terrible players

[gilded drift]

Deinos are underpowered if anything

[normal shuttle]

Deino is not underpowered. It is as powered as it needs to be right now when fg

It’s more so miserable to play as

[gilded drift]

The lack of power it has is the reason to the cannibalism

If you're a stego standing on water, 3 deinos can't get you unless you let them

[normal shuttle]

Not at all. That’s a lack of agency over your prey.

It is a canni because almost no one drinks in places where you can lunge them

And its spawns are far from hotspots

[gilded drift]

No it's because even when people do, they can't do anything

So there should be a new mechanic for deino

[urban flax]

skill issue tbh

[normal shuttle]

The last thing deino needs is more killing potential bruv

[gilded drift]

Mr. 40k messages

[gilded drift]

There should be a mechanic where 2 deinos are able to drag down a stego if they co operate

[normal shuttle]

Do you realize that any buff to it’s killing capacities would also be worthless because then people would simply go to safe spots and there would be zero interaction? Nothing would change

[gilded drift]

It would encourage less cannibalism

[urban flax]

yes, Mr. Joined the server yesterday ?

[cyan flame]

Stego is just too big to hunt unless swimming, that does not make deino weak

[limber hull]

so would adding more aquatics to the ecosystem yippee

[urban flax]

Actually 1 lone deino can already drag down a stego

[normal shuttle]

Not really because then stegos would avoid a cheap and unfair death by going to safe spots…And guess what would be the best food source when no one at all is willing to put with deino’s bs

That’s right, other deinos

You would be fixing nothing

[gilded drift]

Full grown stego? what?

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[normal shuttle]

If they are swimming

[cyan flame]

Also cause no other threats than other deino when big enough, I think

[urban flax]

It's not an issue ? Or do you mean me having 40 messages here was stated as an insult ? I'm really disappointed that you would think that way

[gilded drift]

Your talking is so irrelevant
I specifically mentioned the scenario where a stego i standing on water, not swimming

[normal shuttle]

300 hours in the isle still very new without deep knowledge about each creature’s roles and balancing

[gilded drift]

I never insulted anyone lol that's an empty accusation

[urban flax]

It's not

[normal shuttle]

You’re just not a clueless noob, but still a lot to learn

[urban flax]

Ok Mr. Joined the server yesterday

[cyan flame]

Still, doesn't mean all that much

[gilded drift]

Stegos are so bored that this wouldn't happen

Why should 2 deinos not be able to drag one down if it's standing

it's 2 5h growth dinos and it would be a new unique mechanic

[normal shuttle]

In a game with 17 playables all with their unique stats, abilities and roles; as well as the whole map with all of the different locations, tens of different tech you can use for several core mechanics and optimizing diets, all of the different strategies and counterplay tactics that are present in a game where every single playable is different…

[urban flax]

Because hell to program
Also deino isn't a pack hunter

[gilded drift]

Then why can deino group up lol?

[urban flax]

nesting

[frank tapir]

to nest

[gilded drift]

So you're stating that deino should not be able to group because it's not a group hunter

Unless nesting

Why can deinos group up outside of nesting then

[urban flax]

no

[normal shuttle]

1. Hard to program

2. Deino isn’t meant to be a social pack hunter

3. With how water and deino lurking works, it is EXTREMELY unfair for the stego who also spent 5 hours growing. Two deinos could just coordinate themselves making no noise while using chat underwater, then move making no noise underwater and suddenly popping out of the surface when it is too late for the stego to turn around or do anything even if it sees them coming. Such a fair and interactive death, am I right?

Deino should punch down because larger creatures like stego and trike don’t have means to immediately reach and be able to prevent the ambush if they see it coming

[gilded drift]

it's a combination of 10 hours of growth. Why should it not be able to drown the stego?

[normal shuttle]

That’s not how balancing works in this game at all. It has never been more hours=more power

Troodon grows in an hour. Do you think 10 of them should be able to take on a deino because it’s twice the deino’s growth time?

And as I said, extremely cheap and unfair death

[cyan flame]

Because you can play together for a while before nesting/during/after nesting?

[urban flax]

Ptera too lol

[normal shuttle]

Completely against the design of a game that aims to be fair despite being hard

[normal shuttle]

10 pteras should obliterate a stego according to that logic. So balanced and good

[cyan flame]

Deino has one of the best solo hunting capabiltiies in the lunge

[gilded drift]

Then shouldn't the grouping dissolve after a time then? if it's "only" for nesting

[urban flax]

Well, they used to be able to do that

[normal shuttle]

It was miserable

[cyan flame]

Maybe, but why make it like that for no reason, it's fine that they can stick together

[urban flax]

Do you actively want deino to be more annoying to play ?

[cyan flame]

Just because you can pack/herd, doesn't mean you're "good" at it

See stego and collateral damage

[gilded drift]

How has it not been more hours = more power?

Okay then why do all the smaller not so powerful dinos take less time to grow?

[urban flax]

Because they're smaller

[gilded drift]

How would it be more annoying for the deino itself, you mean play against

[urban flax]

If group dissolves automatically after a while, it makes it more annoying

[gilded drift]

They're smaller, meaning less powerful - and that's why it takes little time to grow them

[normal shuttle]

Because they’re smaller. And it has never been a rule of three. Cera grows in 30 minutes more than an omni but it isn’t 30% stronger all around.

[cyan flame]

They probably can, just not in the way you might think xD

[urban flax]

No that's because they're smaller

[gilded drift]

It's not a direct effect percentage wise, but more hours does equal more power

[cyan flame]

It's so fun when you lack upwards attacks and/or jump

[gilded drift]

For example allo takes more time than omni because it has more power

[urban flax]

source ?

[frank tapir]

we don't know that

[gilded drift]

You really think it will take 2 hours to grow an allo?

[cyan flame]

I would imagine time does reflect power, but it's not the only factor for it

[normal shuttle]

More like larger creatures tend to have longer growth times, but still roles do matter. Hence why you don’t see 3 Omnis easily taking on a single cera even though their hours are vastly superior. Roles matter and deino is not meant to be a big game pack hunter.

There’s no rule of three for that

[gilded drift]

It takes more time to grow a carno than an omni, and an allo can contest a carno - so how

[urban flax]

source ?

[cyan flame]

Besides, you don't just add up time like that, since every other player grows on their own

[gilded drift]

you think an allo can't take on a carno?

[urban flax]

Maybe it won't be able to, who knows

[gilded drift]

i'm not saying it's a direct parallel, it's just correlating

[gilded drift]

You clearly don't know how the game works

[cyan flame]

So you can't go "but together, x omnis is so and so long growth" because it isn't, since they all grow on their own

[urban flax]

Says the guy who thinks deino should auto-disband its group when not nesting

[gilded drift]

Name 1 animal that has 1 hour+ MORE growth time than another, but is less powerful

[normal shuttle]

3 carnos in the live branch is 9 hours, do you think they can take on a fg stego or that they should?

[gilded drift]

Name a single 1

[normal shuttle]

Design and roles matter. Deino isn’t a big game hunter relative to its size

And it should never be !

[cyan flame]

Deino is more powerful than stego overall?

[gilded drift]

That's not the same

[frank tapir]

that's the same logic you used

[normal shuttle]

It absolutely is because deino was never meant to be targeting land apexes while they’re standing

[cyan flame]

That's kind of what you did argue

Two deinos = 10 hours

[gilded drift]

And it doesn't, so what's your point? It isn't able to drown a stego solo

[gilded drift]

10 hours is different than 9

[cyan flame]

You can while swimming, something you can't do to a trike or rex

[normal shuttle]

In practice, Dibble and Maia

lol

[leaden bronze]

ehh, I think stego could defend from 3 carnos considering its size, but 3 carnos are 3 carnos

[cyan flame]

It's the exact same reasoning, the amount of time doesn't change the argument

[normal shuttle]

And carno is a small game hunter, not a big game hunter apex carnivore hunting giant defensive herbivores with its abysmal agility

[gilded drift]

Do you think 1 stego wins against 3 carnos more so than not?

[leaden bronze]

yea

[normal shuttle]

Stego has no trouble even against 6-7 carnos

And that is perfectly acceptable

[leaden bronze]

but carno have no point to play rn, cera better overall

[leaden bronze]

lol

[cyan flame]

HT carno is apparently really good, so not sure on that

[normal shuttle]

It is while it is swimming, so that is a good condition

[gilded drift]

Carno is faster

[leaden bronze]

cera needs rmb nerf imo

[cyan flame]

Possible, just saying, I've heard HT carno is perfectly fine, no matter if cera is still not tuned

[leaden bronze]

I said overall, cera has way more passives and rmb spam

[normal shuttle]

Just imagine

How good and balanced to lose a 7 ton trike that took you 8 hours to grow maybe

Because two deinos came out of nowhere and grabbed you

[limber hull]

It’s good at small game hunting, its new buffs don’t really impact that matchup

[normal shuttle]

Such an earned kill that definitely won’t teach people to always use safe drinking spots and keep deino in that permanent state of misery and cannibalism

Or even worse

Get deino nerfed elsewhere to make up for it

[gilded drift]

You wold need 3 deinos for that

[normal shuttle]

What’s even the math

[gilded drift]

And this is nature, anything can happen. Nature isn't kind

[normal shuttle]

No, this is a video game

[urban flax]

I don't think math is involved there

[gilded drift]

Bubulbu established already that realism is important in this type of game

[normal shuttle]

That does require balancing and fairness because people are sinking time and putting effort into a perma death game

[gilded drift]

Because without immersion, people would lose a part of its purpose

[normal shuttle]

When did he say that?

[urban flax]

LOL

[normal shuttle]

And immersion ≠ realism

[urban flax]

Straight up lying

[normal shuttle]

Not at all

[urban flax]

But tbh I didn't know my opinion mattered to you
I'm flattered

[gilded drift]

You're a question-avoider and AVA is clearly allergic to disagreeing with anything you say, using your points as a source works when talking to Ava

[urban flax]

Bold of you to say that when you didn't answer any of mine

[gilded drift]

For example here bulblu brings up realism

[gilded drift]

Mention 1 time where I didn't answer your question

Go on recite a single time where i didn't

[urban flax]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I knew it

[normal shuttle]

Seriously, what a great idea

[urban flax]

Whenever I ask you for source to back up your claims

[woven bane]

what is this chat

[gilded drift]

Where did I not answer a question you proposed

[urban flax]

Just having fun

[gilded drift]

Go find it, you can't because it never happened

[normal shuttle]

To just teach players to not interact with deinos at all and be unfair to them just like deinos would be unfair for everyone; and thus forcing them to cannibalize each other in water access

“Less cannibalism” my ass 😭 , you would just be burying deino by making it more unfair for others.

[urban flax]

Right here

[gilded drift]

That was a sarcastic question which you factually didn't even want an answer to, considering that there is no way of providing a source since allo isn't in evrima yet

[gilded drift]

Less cannibalism because it would encourage deinos to stay tgt more

[urban flax]

I really wanted an answer

But I knew you couldn't give one

[gilded drift]

You never said you did,, but now you're saying it to backtrack

[urban flax]

Because you made it up

[gilded drift]

I can, legacy is a source

[urban flax]

Usually when people ask questions it means they want an answer
But you wouldn't know that

[gilded drift]

40k messages and still denying truth

[normal shuttle]

But guess how many stegos would be drinking in places where they can be snatched after implementing that mechanic

ZERO

Or maybe just a clueless one every now and then

And all for a singular stego that cannot even fill up a single fg deino fully

[gilded drift]

on a dinosaur game server, 40k

[gilded drift]

As I said earlier

But you avoid it like usual

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure you can keep going on without my opinion

[normal shuttle]

Dude it’s not loading

[urban flax]

If you really want it tho, just say "please Bubulblu, I want to hear your answer on this"

[normal shuttle]

What does it say?

[gilded drift]

Why are you talking as if you're more valued than anyone here, announcing your departure as if you're the guy with the thumbs down/up in gladiator 1

I'm not going to indulge in this conversation anymore as it's clear people are just using cognitive dissonance as an excuse

[normal shuttle]

Oh okay I can read it now

Bruh 😭 how is that a valid answer

Do you think that boredom would lead to a player just putting themselves at a death risk??

It makes no sense

[urban flax]

Because I literally am

[normal shuttle]

And this death risk isn’t even an actual fight

Its just getting pinned by one button press with no way to fight back

So not even an exciting risk

[gilded drift]

No because then you wouldn't be offended and angry over me asking "yes or no questions" yesterday lol

which was "forcing you to a narrative"

[cyan flame]

Two deinos probably still can hunt a bad stego, three should be able to take down even a good one, if they can bait and block it

[urban flax]

I don't like it when plebeians like you try to adress me as an equal

[limber hull]

"I'm not going to indulge in the conversation anymore"

indulges

[gilded drift]

you aren't an equal because unlike you i can spell "address" correctly

[gilded drift]

that's exactly what bulbulbu did yesterday, are you making fun of your companion?

[limber hull]

yea

he can actually take it

[urban flax]

Admit it, I'm your idol

[limber hull]

he has pictures of you

saved to his PC

[normal shuttle]

What’s even the logic behind this?

Stegos are bored, so they will get themselves pinned on purpose?

It’s like getting bored as a dryo and trying to fight a fg omni. It is a stupid idea that no one will be doing unless they wanna die to play something else, and stegos when they want to play something else already just jump into the river to get snatched

And again I repeat, all of this programming for a single stego that cannot even fill up one of the two deinos

[cyan flame]

@gilded drift You do realize they are trolling you, right?

[gilded drift]

as weird as herbi players are, stego mains won't just eat grass for hours
they're going to go explore regardless

[normal shuttle]

…okay?

[urban flax]

I would never troll anyone
In fact I've never been trolling anyone in my entire life, even when I expressedly said I was trolling

[normal shuttle]

Why would exploring imply that they would put themselves in a situation to be snatched unfairly by two deinos if such mechanic was implemented?

[gilded drift]

Why do you care

[normal shuttle]

They could just go to shallow areas or use bridges. There you go, solving absolutely nothing with a mechanic harder to program than pouncing

[normal shuttle]

Because I am discussing feedback

[cyan flame]

Of course, my mistake, so sorry!

[normal shuttle]

And explaining in detail why I think it is pointless at best

[gilded drift]

how is it harder to program than pouncing? it's just an extra crocodile lunging

You obviously don't program

[normal shuttle]

How do you program them moving independently to drag something?

[urban flax]

Neither do you

[normal shuttle]

That’s not something pouncing does 😭 😭 😭

I am sorry

This dude is clueless

Not only about game balancing/design

but also programming

There’s so many things that could go wrong making two players dragging the same object as they can freely move in whatever direction they want

[urban flax]

Simple, just make the stego strech between the two
Or duplicate it

[normal shuttle]

LMAO

Double stego, one for each

And if they do it to a trike, each one gets their own trike to eat

[urban flax]

There is no reason for deino to NOT be able to duplicate stegos

[normal shuttle]

Amazing design. Deino is no longer a cannibal. They gave deino a cornucopia

[urban flax]

This would actually solve so many of deino's issues

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[cyan flame]

Same reason we dont have multiple critters dragging a body I believe, even if that's been asked for too

[normal shuttle]

6 deinos snatching a defenseless cama to get 20 tons of meat each

Deino suddenly became Jesus creating more fish and bread

Math be damned

[thick summit]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

You find one elite fish while you’re at the brink of starvation but oh wait, now there’s 35 of those lying on the shore

[desert arch]

@brittle kiln if you press shift+f10 it doesnt show the logo

[indigo gulch]

Meanwhile I’m just in awe that he found and looked for it on his first day being here

Wth was that convo even

[urban flax]

Don't think about it too much

[frank tapir]

"woke"

[indigo gulch]

Ah the word that lost all meaning? Got it🤣

[lapis timber]

Has anything from the general feedback ever been taken into account, or is it a place to make it seem like the players thoughts are taken into account? Genuine question as there’s tonnes of messages in that channel and I can’t imagine anyone sitting through them when they have other stuff to be getting on with

[urban flax]

yes

[normal shuttle]

They are all read and acknowledged

And in fact sometimes there’s been suggestions that have been added to the game

Oh god

Another one of those suggestions

[urban flax]

Ok but 25h growth time is ridiculous

I don't have deino players in high esteem, but even i don't want them to have an experience that excruciating

Would also not solve a single one of deino's issues

But rather make them worse

[limber hull]

"give it 250 + bite force of trex"

lol what

[urban flax]

I think it means a biteforce 250N higher than that of rex

[limber hull]

funny thing about that, trike would STILL be longer if we're going off base time

[urban flax]

So since iirc rex is around 850, that'd be 1100 on a normal time

[limber hull]

also he said "fracture chance" lmao

[urban flax]

I think they're talking about growth time with 100% diet, almost nobody uses base growth times

Which then would be 50h base growth time

[lapis timber]

No dinosaur should be over 15hrs

[limber hull]

trike is

[lapis timber]

You’re going to kill your player base otherwise

[limber hull]

its 32 hours base, 16 hours at 100% growth boost

[normal shuttle]

@compact sequoia

1. What standards for that growth? What diet? Same growth curve?

2. How much larger?

3. You have a grab that can one tap creatures up to 6 tons, why do you need to be killing things like stegos in 3-4 hits at best? Do you think it is meant to hunt the same things as rex? Or well, do you think it would be fair for an animal too slow to turn around and too large to be grabbed to be suddenly ambushed by something that cannot be seen nor heard and then finished off before you can do anything? Would that be a fun or interesting experience for your prey who wasted hours of their life getting to that point?

4. As for fractures, same questions as above.

5. By making it even more capable of killing when it doesn’t need to, congratulations! Now not even stegos and trikes will be around the water and instead would use safe spots, so nothing changes about deinos and they’re just forced to eat each other as usual

[lapis timber]

Exactly what happened in progression