general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

even dilo can outswim herras and wait them out on the surface to bite them

[thick summit]

Omni, cera, troodon and even ptera are faster than herrera in the water

[minor field]

And anti coagulant just sounds like the same thing as giga

Which is kinda carchs main problem that being a giga clone

[thick summit]

Oh yeah! Dilo too

[limber hull]

anti coag is also already another creature's niche

[minor field]

Yeah

You can always go the easiest route and make carch a giga skin.

Or just don’t make carch

[obtuse steeple]

Or even some kind of neurotoxin that would give you muscle spasms or something of the sort

[obtuse steeple]

Oh is it?

[bronze matrix]

yea but they can't dive or see underwater

[thick summit]

They don't have to. They're faster

[normal shuttle]

Unironically, the only downside I can see to quadrupedal carch is that...it would be too cool compared to the other apex carnivores except maybe rex

I am not trolling, I actually believe it would be a bit like powercreep.

Where you have these archetypal picks and then this monstrosity unlike anything else in 99% of dinosaur media that can climb and use the water quietly to sneak up on someone

[bronze matrix]

yea but that makes herrera somewhat semi aquatic adjacent like the jaguar

[normal shuttle]

kinda how I felt about herra early and it was true: it's just cooler than everyone else

[obtuse steeple]

Well tbf if hererra dives there’s literally nothing the others can do to reach it, I believe that’s Mike’s point

[ancient kestrel]

Another idea is to make toxin to weaken creature by slowing down attack animations, speed and lowering the damage of intoxicated target

[limber hull]

megalania. literal komodo dragon lol

[minor field]

Quadrupedal carch just reminds me of that one “trex” from the movie 65

Which I’m not really a big fan of at all

[normal shuttle]

crippling with bites might potentially be a giga thing as well if we go off the concept

[obtuse steeple]

Oh oops I forgot Meg was gonna be in the game,

[limber hull]

imma be honest diving absolutely lets you escape near everything that swims faster

[normal shuttle]

not if the water isn't murky

[ancient kestrel]

It actually meant to be some pseudosuchian because in early production stages film was supposed to take place in triassic period instead

[thick summit]

It's not even close to being semi aquatic

[limber hull]

i play herrera a ton. i've used diving to escape near everything

[obtuse steeple]

It’s literally by definition semi aquatic, just because it can’t do it good doesn’t mean it’s not one

[thick summit]

Depends

[bronze matrix]

if it can dive and see underwater it's semi aquatic adjacent

[minor field]

Yeah, and then it got turned into that thing

That’s another point too why make quadrupedal carch when you can just add a pseudosuchian? Like fasolasuchus.

[limber hull]

nah herrera ain't semi-aquatic by the metric of any of the actual semi-aquatics

[normal shuttle]

because devs want carch

[thick summit]

I forced so many herreras to drown

[limber hull]

if you want to call it a semi-semi-aquatic i guess you could but that's just silly

[minor field]

Like everything carch could possibly be can be taken up by something else

[normal shuttle]

and we are throwing ideas to the void

[thick summit]

It can't thrive in the water

[obtuse steeple]

Yeah I mean it’s still technically one, even if it’s not good at it and only uses it to fish

[normal shuttle]

also I don't know a single pseudosuchian above 4 tons

[bronze matrix]

a jaguar can't too
it needs to leave the water to eat and do other stuff

[minor field]

Have they stated that before? Because the thing I get from this is that the carch model was made many years ago and we’re unsure of if it’ll be added or not still. Has it been confirmed?

[thick summit]

Yeah but it's actually good in the water

[normal shuttle]

Filipe did say a while ago (evrima era) carch and cory were planned

[bronze matrix]

i bet a lion could outswim it

[thick summit]

No it couldn't??? 💀

[normal shuttle]

probably extremely low priority or just in proccess of deciding

so ofc I'm gonna suggest quad carch

[ancient kestrel]

Not like devs had issues with upscaling certain creatures. Can be simply explained by lore that it made bigger to not fail competition with apex dinos

[minor field]

Im still iffy on quad carch and honestly like every other idea I can think for it is just done by another creature

[bronze matrix]

bigger paws, bigger limp size, faster swimmer

[minor field]

We have some pretty large ones that can get the dibble treatment

[obtuse steeple]

How will it be on all 4s without changing its entire skeletal structure?

[thick summit]

That is just wrong

[bronze matrix]

you say a jaguar is bigger than a lion?

[minor field]

And without looking like actual garbage

[normal shuttle]

changing its arms and shoulders ig

Just like how herra got new claws, new wrists, skinnier body and longer arms. Yet it very much looks like a herrerasaurus due to traits like the skull. You can go down that path with carchar

[thick summit]

Who's gonna swim faster? The terrestrial cat that avoids swimming in water or the cat that evolved to hunt in the water?

[normal shuttle]

also with a talented concept artist and equally skilled animators, and we have those

[obtuse steeple]

I see.. that’s interesting

[thick summit]

No, I'm saying a lion can not outswim a jaguar

[obtuse steeple]

I feel like hererra is more leopard than full on jaguar really

[normal shuttle]

you could also explain through lore why a theropod went quadrupedal

[minor field]

All I’m thinking of is this but carch and that is not a pretty picture

[normal shuttle]

replicator going freaky

[bronze matrix]

lets agree to disagree
good talk

[obtuse steeple]

What did they do to fasolasuchus 😭

[normal shuttle]

nah that's too ugly. In my head it looks a lot more like that part of a tapwing concept for tisso giga

[minor field]

That’s what I think of when I hear quad carch

[normal shuttle]

hold on

[thick summit]

👍

[bronze matrix]

a lizard snuck in just before the procedure started like in "the fly"

[obtuse steeple]

Tbf I don’t entirely mind paleoaccuracy as long as it looks believable enough and identifiable

I mean I probably wouldn’t be on this game if not for my glorious hererra so

[minor field]

The other thing I can think of is retro megalosaurus

[ancient kestrel]

Btw probably carch either will be scrapped or devs just it will make interchangeble with gigga being not present on the same server at the same time with giga

[normal shuttle]

more like this but with knuckle walking

or the top a little higher

hell you also have hyper spino walking quadrupedally on many animations in legacy

[bronze matrix]

like that just on knuckles?

[minor field]

Ok that’s definitely better, I’m just trying to picture it looking a bit better with the knuckle walk you suggested

[normal shuttle]

not at all lmao

[thick summit]

The devs will most likely figure out what to do with carch

[normal shuttle]

much more stylized

[obtuse steeple]

If they do it like they did hererra I’ll be happy (I love hererra)

[minor field]

This seems like a somewhat interesting thing to draw

[minor field]

Looks honestly like it’s posed more like a big cat than anything

Okay this has kinda redeemed quad carch a little bit to me

[normal shuttle]

I am certain Tapwing could make it look good on a picture

[minor field]

I just don’t think you could call it carch

[normal shuttle]

and then the animators we have would probably make it look a lot more normal

[minor field]

It’d have to be like a special playable perhaps

Thinking more like the stains, gen 2s ect

[normal shuttle]

the only real reason we can call isle spino well, a spino, is because we grew up with the 2000s JP3 one and are used to seeing it

[minor field]

Yeah that’s true

[normal shuttle]

even though it is inaccurate

so I think Carch suffers from being a pioneer

[minor field]

I feel like carch just goes on a level we haven’t really seen before

Yeah pretty much this

[normal shuttle]

despite being just as aggravating as other cases if not even less in some

like also omni. If raptors had remained in the background and overlooked by media for years and we only really knew about the solitary ground eagles they were, seeing them in JP or in The Isle pouncing larger stuff, jumping around and working as a pack would be so bizarre

it really is just a matter of perception

[minor field]

Yeah, carch itself has had a load of depictions, even really terrible ones but none kinda go this route with it

[normal shuttle]

so it has the uncanny stigma that I decided to look past

[minor field]

Which makes it harder for my brain to accept

[normal shuttle]

mhm

[minor field]

I think the design you showed could go really hard though, as long as it doesn’t resemble anything like what I think quad catch shouldn’t be…

[normal shuttle]

It's up to the devs to axe it, make quad carch or do something else (hope not)

But I trust them if they decide to go the second route

[obtuse steeple]

I do hope it isn’t just a giga clone

[normal shuttle]

I said it, I genuinely think they could do a good thing with it. Not only making it look nice in model and animations, but also as a non traditional addition to the megatheropod list that is unlike all the other archetypes

[minor field]

Likely won’t be if it’s gonna be added whatsoever

[obtuse steeple]

A man can hope

[normal shuttle]

which could be popular just like how herra easily is the top 2-3 most played carnivore besides cera and omni

[obtuse steeple]

Hererra just has so much going for it

I notice it’s way worse on community servers, hererra purgatory atp

[normal shuttle]

I would be so happy (and many other people would for sure) if they went down this path and confirmed carch coming 100% rather than just planned

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

still not a fan of playable AI niche, nor the concept of boars being replaced by "kind of" avas but not really

[normal shuttle]

Honestly screw AI Ava

Let it be just a playable

I want to play Ava without seeing how half of the other avas I come across are not even people

[frank tapir]

let's be honest it would be a lot more than half

[normal shuttle]

Yeah…

We don’t need AI avas

If you are an allo or larger just suck it up and hunt players

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message @sullen ivy hackers is exact reason why devs not pushing HT updates. They even made few hotfixes for Evrima branch recentely.

[woeful latch]

huh?

if that was the case they would stop the development a while ago, no one will stop working on a game just because there’s cheaters, we’re still getting the updates

where do you even get that information lol?

[bronze matrix]

I am also not a fan of playable AI but if Ava is AI and playable why not utilize it

[bronze matrix]

reason why in my suggestion ai avas would be distinct visually

it would help if players could be told apart from their AI version

[limber hull]

if ava is AI just make it AI

[limber hull]

except that also highlights which is "easy" ava and which is "not worth my time" ava

aka basically a big "eat me" sign on specific avas

[bronze matrix]

agreed
thats why my suggestion started with " if Ava is also going to be a playable as well as AI,"

[bronze matrix]

that's why "easy" AI-ava would only be a boar supsitute not offering organs

basically my suggestion is: If we get the weird situation about AI-Ava AND playable AVA, which probably will be the case if ava is going to be playable, then how to make the best out of it

Also generally speaking if AI is to be introduced for even more playables
Making them visually distinct, removing the organs and just calling them "failed" specimen would be the best way of doing it

[minor field]

Just don’t make ava ai

[bronze matrix]

it will probably be ai

[minor field]

I mean, possible it won’t be still

[bronze matrix]

sure
but my best guess is that even if they make it playable they will keep it as ai and then you have whole weird situation of ava players and ai
like they did with dryo in the early spiro days

[minor field]

I don’t think that would happen if it was playable

If they try that uh, they just shouldn’t go with it.

[bronze matrix]

didn't they already talk about playable ai and the whole herding mechanic behind it?
also didn't they already try it with dryo and teno?

like it's gonna happen and it's gonna be weird

[maiden stump]

#general-feedback message besides the fact that hills and ditches every two meters just looks ugly,you can also run to your death.Imagine that you barely survived the megapack ceras,run away from them and oops,you died because the level design wants you to suffer

[urban flax]

Someone here forgot how Spiro's plain actually looked like

[junior nymph]

@full comet they have that in HT

its called spawn codes 🙂

[full comet]

OOOO thats so good omg im hype

[junior nymph]

try it out lol

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

"Plains on Spiro was amazing,but now this tipe of biomes looks like the aftermath of carpet bombing"

meanwhile spiro literally covered in craters lol

[maiden stump]

Like playable lokation without deadly trap-hills?

[normal shuttle]

13-3

We are winning the war

[maiden stump]

Of course they had minor unevenness for naturalism,but not deadly sharp descents from the hills because of which it is better not to run at all

[maiden stump]

Huh?

[indigo gulch]

which war?

[indigo gulch]

I'm not gonna lie, idk what you even mean with the carpet bombing comment

[maiden stump]

Meanwhile Gateway literally saying "dont run if you want to live" with its horrible stam system

[urban flax]

Like hill-dip-hill-dip-hill-dip
With the same 3 bushes and palm tree on top of every hill

[indigo gulch]

*don't run CONSISTENTLY

[maiden stump]

Imagine rex sprinting on HL and instantly dying from fall damage

[indigo gulch]

sucked for raptor actually, since you cant pounce uphill.

fake flat ground is a jerk xD

[maiden stump]

Yeah instantly,beacuse this map is uncomfortable even for playables with much smaller weight like dilo or teno

[normal shuttle]

Quad carchar crusade

[indigo gulch]

[normal shuttle]

Good carchar suggestion so the devs know there’s a cool and unique thing to do with it to not make it a giga clone

[indigo gulch]

aaaah

[maiden stump]

Im didnt say anything like that lol,in example was situation of escaping,it may be hunting no matter,but Gateway PUNISHES you anytime you moving fast

[maiden stump]

Have you ever been on West Rail or HL?If you are not playing game itself at all and just living in discord it's no wonder you don't understand what's going on in it lol.

Islecord is like deferent world,crazy

[limber hull]

animals not wasting stam > animals wasting stam

what the hell is this, a survival game?

also Gateway absolutely does not punish you

it actually provides more avenues for you to avoid death than Spiro ever did

[indigo gulch]

Damn the assumptions go CRAZY with this one

I play the game, what kind of evidence did you think you have that I don't xD

me not agreeing doesn't mean I don't play the game lol

[maiden stump]

I was running to SURVIVE,why the hell it is somehow wrong for game?

[limber hull]

it isn't if you're running to survive, no

[indigo gulch]

also I literally said Idk what you mean with CARPET BOMBING. Nothing more, nothing less.

[limber hull]

but frankly if you're being "punished for sprinting", i would assume you're talking about being low stam and running out of stam and dying

[maiden stump]

If it isnt why i crushed to death?

[limber hull]

idk how tf do you get crushed to death in this game

[full comet]

https://tenor.com/view/drache-drachenlord-dino-gegen-gif-5695274

my reaction

[proud hill]

be a good boy, and shut up (please?), it ain't that bad

you're overreacting lil bro

[maiden stump]

Every powerfull attack you cost stsmina(if you are not blessed from balance like cera),no wonder you are out of it if fight was not a juvi killing.But how i will live any longer after it if regens with slug speed and oh the misery,this was fight with cera and im need to drink as quick as possible.But Gateway level desighn and stam system both said "nah,you was wrong,die"

[limber hull]

so your problem is with cera

you running directly off a cliff is really a you issue

[proud hill]

just get good

sounds like a skill issue

(nothing bad meant, i ain't hating on anyone)

[full comet]

the whole point is to be strategic with ur resources

[normal shuttle]

git gud, not that hard to control and it's just another skill

[full comet]

like yea it sucks to be low on stam but getting killed is also just part of the game. sometimes u kill, sometimes u get killed

[normal shuttle]

^

just be conservative like...you know, animals are when trying to survive

[maiden stump]

Encoutering megapack of imbalanced playebles and bad level desighn both arent skill issue

[normal shuttle]

now stam is an actual thing you need to manage

[normal shuttle]

you not comprehending the map or putting yourself in a situation where a megapack can destroy you is a skill issue though

[lilac bolt]

don't just say skill issue actually try to help them

[maiden stump]

And take enlarged miniscus everytime and not experementing with builts?This sucks eh

[normal shuttle]

Sure thing, but I also am gonna need willingness instead of someone who is deadset and mad

[full comet]

i hate that mutation tbh. i would rather have low health and be able to leave than low stam and be stuck

its a murderer haha

[proud hill]

And how do you know that? (Avoid suspicious packs, and accept that the map design is peak)

[maiden stump]

Without it you will just die if you have fight before and your health is low

[full comet]

thats why i run carefully so a little pebble doesnt send me flying to my doom

[proud hill]

Real

[full comet]

that being said i fell to my doom on a pebble TODAY. its the circle of life

I think some more flat open places on the map would be rlly fun for sure

[proud hill]

Bruh see things from the bright side there is no need to hate on some innocent game bro, think about the good things in life instead

[full comet]

yuppp agreed

[limber hull]

nah enlarged miniscus is based

[proud hill]

real

[normal shuttle]

Especially on deino

[full comet]

To each their own

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/allmight-bnha-mha-meme-fist-up-gif-13588517052470008833

[proud hill]

@unreal ridge fire art bro

[dire bear]

Nah you are right that stamina in this game is ridiculous. All dinosaurs seem to have severe asthma, and the games stamina system promotes sprinting and sitting.

Its not realistic nor is it fun, its just another one of those "isle things" we have to deal with. Although I have a feeling it will get changed in the future (maybe)

I have been in real jungles, in Mexico in real life unlike you, and no they are not that dense, not even close. You cant just pull up pictures of a rainforest and say all jungles are like that lol.

[limber hull]

"all dinosaurs have severe athsma"

brother the stamina recovery times are pretty fair given the context of the game lol

and the overall runtimes

[dire bear]

I can run longer than the dinosaurs in this game

[limber hull]

yes, you're a human

[dire bear]

I thought humans have terrible stamina

[limber hull]

????

[lunar wave]

ya pas de francais ??

[dire bear]

Like relative to animals

[limber hull]

we have the best stamina in the entire animal kingdom

[dire bear]

No way ho say a dog can outrun me

[limber hull]

we are one of nature's greatest endurance predators

[livid ember]

Actually jungles can't be dense where large herbivores live so youre completely wrong.
Elephants, rhinos, even bovids eat all the lower vegetation so lower levels are not that dense. We have trikes, stegos, maias, dibbles and other mid to large herbivores roaming around so dense jungles are just wrong.

[limber hull]

yes, it can outrun you, but it will run out of stamina before you. It's faster, but you can regain your stamina MUCH faster than it can

[dire bear]

Ok but what about big animals like a lion (which is more comparable to carnivores in the isle)

[limber hull]

there's also overall fitness to consider

lions have worse stamina than a human

they spend a lot of their day lazing around to avoid wasting it

[livid ember]

Lions literally regain stamina for hours after one short chase

[limber hull]

they only use their energy when they feel they need to

if they misuse it, they'll likely die due to an inability to hunt

also back to the dog thing, the only animal that near rivals our endurance, ironically, is wolves and other canines

we're still better, but wolves are up there, same with horses

[icy lion]

tl:dr "i can run longer than my dino can" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how absolutely absurd a fit human's stamina is

[normal shuttle]

Real lmao

Also I know I’m late

But big cats not only have bad stamina consorted to humans

[livid ember]

Human actually escapes trex easily

[thick summit]

Humans are op

[normal shuttle]

They objectively have very bad endurance compared to most other mammalian predators

[icy lion]

We run/jog 26 miles straight for funsies, that'd kill most predators

[thick summit]

we can sweat

[dire bear]

I mean thanks for all the wonderful compliments about my fitness but theres no way I outstam a rex

[limber hull]

you def do

[icy lion]

We're not the fastest around, absolutely not, but in terms of endurance humans can't be beat

[limber hull]

do you outrun a rex? probably not. but outstam it? 100%

[livid ember]

Easily, you'll also outrun it cuz rex couldn't even run prop

[thick summit]

you're a human

[limber hull]

lmao people not realising that a marathon, a thing people do for fun, would kill a vast majority of the animal kingdom

[thick summit]

you just sweat and keep going

[limber hull]

like we recreationally do things that would kill most animals

[dire bear]

Idk I know some school kids that cant walk up the stairs without being out of breath so theres a huge "variety" in humans too ig

[limber hull]

yea we're going off general human as they're meant to survive

[dire bear]

Tribal humans probably more fit than anyone

[limber hull]

if you look at someone and go "yea he'd probably die in less than a day if exposed to the elements" then he doesn't really count

[thick summit]

tribal humans don't have doordash and a supermarket

[limber hull]

anyway, point is, humans are disgustingly high in endurance and dinos? not so much

hell, if we wanted a "realistic" stam system, there'd be a WHOLE lot more sitting and resting lol

[thick summit]

unlike us lazy goobers they've to actually do stuff

[normal shuttle]

You absolutely would lol

[thick summit]

If we wanted a hyper realistic game, most things could survive for hours without food

[limber hull]

that too

[thick summit]

and would sit most of the time

[dire bear]

There wouldnt be actually because the isles timeframe isnt realistic. Dinos dont grow in 8 hours, so they shouldnt regen stamina like they have a whole month to rest yk what I mean

[limber hull]

the game speeds things up because it is a game. hence why animals lose stam faster, gain stam faster, starve faster, grow faster, etc

[limber hull]

they don't though. their stamina regen times are quite reasonable imho

i've yet to play a dino i felt had an unreasonable regen time

[dire bear]

Also you have to consider the gameplay. This isnt path of titans, in the isle, there is no quests or any activites to do besides combat, and thats why having low stamina feels so bad because your basically locked out of playing the game while u alt tab and watch youtube

[limber hull]

yea, this isn't Path of Titans

you don't get to regen all your stam and health in a few seconds

you have to actually worry about those stats

they matter to your survival

[dire bear]

In path of titans there is more things to do than just endless pvp

[limber hull]

what? busywork?

[dire bear]

The isle is basically a deathmatch game

Battle royale

[limber hull]

i'mma be honest taking tedium and waving it in my face like "look what PoT has to offer" is uh not convincing

[dire bear]

And so obviously people complain about stamina

[thick summit]

the isle is an ecosystem

PoT is literally a deathmatch game

[limber hull]

you seeing it like a battle royale is why you complain about the stamina

[dire bear]

Well thats your opinion Ig

[dire bear]

It IS a battle royale

[limber hull]

it literally isnt

[thick summit]

it isn't

[dire bear]

It is

[thick summit]

it's a survival game 😭

[limber hull]

like that is objectively not remotely what it is

do you even know what defines a battle royale

[dire bear]

Its played exactly like a battle royale

[limber hull]

it is not

[thick summit]

no

[dire bear]

What do u do in a battle royale?

[thick summit]

battle royale = one comes out on top

[dire bear]

You explore, find items to get stronger, then go and pvp to win

Thats exactly isle gameplay

[icy lion]

Alright, when do the rounds end in the Isle?

Who's the winner this match?

[dire bear]

You got me there. No rounds but in principle its the same

[icy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[limber hull]

start on an equal level with every other player, usually in squads of 1-3
drop down and collect items to increase your chances of winning
avoid a closing storm that shrinks the playable space
there is only one victor as it is a round-based game

so nothing like the isle

[thick summit]

The Isle gameplay: stay alive for as long as possible

[limber hull]

besides "big map, lots a players, can PvP", it isn't a battle royale

[dire bear]

Take away closing storm and "win the round" and its basically the isle

[limber hull]

unless we're calling Rust a battle royale

[thick summit]

the gameplay loop isn't implemented yet

[limber hull]

and DayZ a battle royale

[dire bear]

It is

[limber hull]

brother it literally isn't

they are two entirely different genres

[thick summit]

every online game is a battle royale now

Monster Hunter is a battle royale

[dire bear]

Its actually less of a batle royale than isle tho

[limber hull]

this is some fortnite brainrot ass argument

like what has fortnite done to us as a people

[dire bear]

I never played fortnite in my life

[limber hull]

surprised

you seem to love "battle royales"

[dire bear]

No I hate them

I am complaining rn

This isnt a positive thing

[limber hull]

about the fact that the isle punishes you for battle royaling

[icy lion]

Well lucky for you this game is nothing like an actual battle royale

[limber hull]

by forcing you to consider stamina and health and punishing you for being low on them, and insentivising avoiding losing them

[grave iris]

#general-feedback message this would be amazing for the troods

[dire bear]

"Spawn in, find items (food), grow, get stronger, become adult, and pvp endlessly till u die"

[thick summit]

The Isle's gameplay loop will be this: Grow, survive, become an elder, live your life and eventually die of old age

[dire bear]

Hopefully in the future

[icy lion]

If you want to pvp endlessly until you die go for it, not what I'm here for

[limber hull]

but you could also say that about ANY survival game with multiplayer

a literal minecraft server, by your defenition, is a battle royale

[grave iris]

i sure do hope theere wont be a "die from old age" end of the game

[normal shuttle]

I guess Ark is a battle royale too

[dire bear]

Theres nothing else to do besides nesting (which is fun)

[grave iris]

i wanna play my dino till i die in combat

[limber hull]

there will be

[thick summit]

that'll be the gameplay loop once elders arrive

[thick summit]

Don't worry, it's optional

[dire bear]

Well till then the isle is a battle royale and yall aint changed my mind

[thick summit]

but it gives you some mutation buffs if you do so

[limber hull]

is minecraft a battle royale

[grave iris]

so the old age death will just be like a RP type of thing?

[thick summit]

Monster Hunter is a battle royale

[dire bear]

Theres more to do in Minecraft than pvp

[limber hull]

no it has major mechanical advantages

[thick summit]

you'll be rewarded if you choose to die of old age

[limber hull]

yes but i can CHOOSE to just PvP other players till I die so it's a battle royale

same way that you've described The Isle

[lilac bolt]

theres nothing in the game that forces you to do pvp endlessly but people get bored so they fight

[dire bear]

Exactly

Without pvp you are doing nothing. Theres no other activities

[limber hull]

"theres nothing in the game that forces you to do pvp"

and that's why it isn't a battle royale

[thick summit]

nesting

[dire bear]

Go to southplains and tell me it isnt a battle royale lol

[limber hull]

it isn't

it's a hotspot, sure, but not a battle royale

[dire bear]

Endless dead bodies

Ppl are bored so they deathmatch

[lilac bolt]

people treat it like a battle royal it doesn't mean it is one

[limber hull]

^

[dire bear]

In practice it is

In theory its a survival game

[limber hull]

people can (and have) treated minecraft like a battle royale

is it a battle royale tho

objectively not

[dire bear]

How is a single player base building game a battle royale?

[limber hull]

you know full well minecraft isn't just singleplayer

[dire bear]

Sure it has a mode

But the isle doesnt have a non battle royale mode

[limber hull]

it does

you play it literally whenever you turn the game on

in fact it's literally called "survival"

that mode

[dire bear]

Is that ur entire argument

[limber hull]

no. it's just the most obvious one

[dire bear]

My point is that a survival game plays like a battle royale but if thats all you have to say then theres no point talking to you

[limber hull]

it plays like a survival, people can choose to play it with emphasis on PvP, that's the power of a sandbox type game which doesn't restrict player agency

you are not forced to engage in combat. you never HAVE to fight.

so by definition, it is not a battle royale

[dire bear]

Theres nothing else to do so 99% of people will fight

Maybe the 1% will play "accurately" and sit in a bush

[limber hull]

i like how your argument consists of literally just making it that there apparently only two things you can do in this game and that's it

[dire bear]

Because there is

[limber hull]

no there isn't

[dire bear]

Deathmatch or nest

[limber hull]

do you seriously think that's it lol

no wonder you don't see much else in this game lol

[dire bear]

If there are other gameplay mechanics i missed then tell me

[grave iris]

You can quite literally play as a ptera and chill for 12 hours

[thick summit]

diets, eating, drinking, migrations, etc.

[limber hull]

it's a sandbox. there doesn't need to be mechanics

most of my adult gameplay ends up being me exploring/trying to survive in new niche areas, or just doing migrations if i feel bored

sometimes i play ptera with mates and place bets on dino fights

i once got an entire troodon pack together for the EXPLICIT purpose of harassing ONE random tenonto for an entire night and then not attack him and leave

[grave iris]

Without any player interaction

[limber hull]

literally just use some level of creativity, you're in a sandbox

i literally am more excited for hypsi climb and dryo burrow than the entirety of allosaurus because i would rather some new way to interact with my environment than another PvP dino and that's it

[dire bear]

I agree that climb and burrow would help but the game needs more than that

Something to do while not endlessly pvping

Maybe a mechanic where you can sharpen your teeth against trees like in real life

[limber hull]

it has that

i literally don't endlessly pvp

[dire bear]

Ur the 1% then

[thick summit]

it's more than just 1%

[dire bear]

Go to petit pieds and watch the deathmatch

[limber hull]

"petit petids"

yea answered your own question

[thick summit]

fr

[dire bear]

?

[thick summit]

go on islander and watch the show

[limber hull]

you'd be SHOCKED how many "PvP obsessed players" will instantly jump in a goddamn dryo nest because it's funny and unique and a different way to engage with the game

i meet so many players by just clicking funny green egg button

[dire bear]

Yeah and what do dryo players do after they become adult (you said you played with them so you should know)

Jump off a cliff or suicide by stego

[limber hull]

no?

[dire bear]

Literally yes

[thick summit]

If I play a small critter I just troll or chill

[limber hull]

goddamn do you play with the most boring people ever lol

[dire bear]

Troll until u get bored than suicide lol

[limber hull]

i once assembled 24 dryos through nesting

[thick summit]

most likely

[thick summit]

Nah!

[dire bear]

I play with randoms lol

[limber hull]

and we wrought havoc on the entire server

[thick summit]

I play dryo until I get killed

[limber hull]

the randoms i played with gave me 24 dryo babies lmao

genuinely one of my best experiences

1 male (me), 3 females (my friends), a literal avalanche of starving dryo babies

[dire bear]

Well yeah small dinos are good for trollling thats about it

[thick summit]

nah

some of them have cool mechanics

[dire bear]

To troll

Nobody plays beepy without the intention of trolling

[limber hull]

i play beipi because i find it fun

[dire bear]

Same

[limber hull]

i don't wanna troll i wanna dive around

[thick summit]

Dryo and hypsi are missing some mechanics

[dire bear]

Its fun to troll

[limber hull]

no tho

[thick summit]

Beipi isn't a troll

[limber hull]

i genuinely enjoy beipi for the sake of beipi

[dire bear]

Anyways hopefully rex comes out soon

[thick summit]

it straight up murders juvis with ease

[dire bear]

So the isle will be less deathmatch

[limber hull]

it'll be... more deathmatch huh

you have a big PvP dinosaur

that exists to do PvP

[thick summit]

Rex will make this game a large deathmatch server

[limber hull]

it literally can't even survive on the AI

so it's gonna HAVE to PvP

[dire bear]

In legacy apexes actually made the game less deathmatchy

Because whenever an apex was around, all dinosaurs would scatter

[limber hull]

no they absolutely did the opposite idk what legacy you played

no i watched raptors go "nah, i'd win" and then tailride the rex to death

[thick summit]

Day of Dragons Legacy

[dire bear]

Yall never played legacy and it shows

[limber hull]

i did. i hated it. literal deathmatch gameplay

[thick summit]

The only non-pvp animal in legacy was dryo

[limber hull]

Dryo was the best animal in legacy omg

[thick summit]

that's very bold of you to assume

[dire bear]

Legacy is way less deathmatch than evrima rn

[limber hull]

Genuinely every other animal < dryosaurus

[thick summit]

💀

[cunning knot]

💀

[limber hull]

Dryo was the only animal that could escape the deathmatch

and you could actually play with the sandbox

[thick summit]

I think it's just rage bait at this point

[limber hull]

god i love legacy dryo

[dire bear]

I logged in to legacy a week ago and I teamed up with 4 other dinos, including a rex

In evrima they would have just eaten me

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

beipi grows pretty quick tbh, I rarely find it a hassle. In fact, the fg time gives me enough time to farm the salt mutation if anything

[limber hull]

so evrima bad because legacy enabled more mixpacking???

lol

[dire bear]

Didnt say its better

Said it was less deathmatch and more chill

[lucid mauve]

Well evrima is 99% pvp atm, and zero survival aspect. Looks like the devs wants it like that

[limber hull]

???? what are you even on about

also... wait hold on what mechanics did legacy have that made it a survival lmao

like by the very metric of "there's nothing else to do" what did legacy have to do lol

[dire bear]

Yup

[lucid mauve]

Slower, and what you on about ? what survival aspect you mean ? water and food lol

[limber hull]

legacy literally had nothing but PvP

[dire bear]

Socializing

[limber hull]

you can do that in EVRIMA

[dire bear]

Nope

[limber hull]

i do that literally all the time it's my favourite part of this game

[thick summit]

alphonse

[lucid mauve]

Hell if you kill someone you can feed an army, even small dibble.

[dire bear]

U cant talk to other species in evrima

[thick summit]

just drop it. they're rage baiting

[dire bear]

And no global chat

[limber hull]

so go to a server with global chat

[dire bear]

Cant find one

Legacy was a chatroom with survival and pvp

Evrima is just survival and pvp

[gritty heart]

Legacy was an afk room

[lucid mauve]

im afking right now while growing lol, in evrima

[dire bear]

Everyone is

[lucid mauve]

I just sit by the beach and wait for the turtles, thats it

[dire bear]

At any moment atleast half the server is in a bush watching youtube

[gritty heart]

Yeah, people play deino

[dire bear]

Most herbivores like that too

A diablo is useless till 60%

so the meta is to sit and grow

[lucid mauve]

if this is survival game, well easiest i played lol

[limber hull]

just you wait till u learn about legacy juvis

it'll blow ur mind

[dire bear]

Unlike u I play legacy

And yes ik

[limber hull]

i stopped because i dont like to AFK lol

[dire bear]

In legacy i find myself talking with other players alot more

So im less afk

[lucid mauve]

Are you not supose to be useless when juvi ?

[dire bear]

Yes

Just saying

[limber hull]

i turned off global. literally just people crying about rulebreaks and nothing else

[dire bear]

Idk i dont play in rules servers

[lucid mauve]

Thats true on rule servers yes, 90% was lol

[gritty heart]

On rule servers people cry everywhere. I hated rule servers.

I am NOT leaving the water to eat the carno I killed just so y’all can jump me when I finish, no sir.

[lucid mauve]

i like servers with easy rules, no mix pack etc

[dire bear]

Yea like petit pieds

Good server also lots of players

[lucid mauve]

yea the one im on right now

[grave iris]

Tbh my real only complaint is that in evrima the apex carnivores dont have real downsides, they only have positives

[lucid mauve]

who do you mean ?

[grave iris]

Lets say cera

[limber hull]

thats less to do with "apexes" and more to do with cera just being busted

[grave iris]

Cera wins either way, its never worth fighting a cera

Carno too

[limber hull]

nah carno is fine

it has a good amount of downsides

[grave iris]

Not really imo, the “downsides” it has are negligible

[normal shuttle]

Deino sucks

Carno has its counterplay and limitations

Cera is still doable if you are in its weight class or above, especially if you are a dibble or stego

[grave iris]

Exactly thats other apexes tho

[limber hull]

poor burst damage, poor turn radius, currently bleeds exceptionally fast (they're fixing that), horrible swimming speed, horrible swimming stam, fast hunger drain

[lucid mauve]

Cera is not an apex, they need to balance for future dinos etc im guessing

[normal shuttle]

Carno in the live branch is scary if you are small, but man. It’s totally doable to escape or fight one and in fact it can be FUN

Cannot say the same against an omni if I can get pinned

[grave iris]

Poor turn radius? Is a carno chases an omni or trood, the carno can turn the same as them

[limber hull]

no it cannot

[normal shuttle]

And honestly fighting dibbles, Maias and stegos can also be fun

[limber hull]

unless it is cheating, it cannot do that

[normal shuttle]

Not at all if both are legit lmao

[limber hull]

oh yea carno also SUCKS against anything larger than it

[lucid mauve]

You can fight as one ? like 1v1 ? Shouldt carno kill with ease, small tier that is

[limber hull]

carno is well balanced

cera not so much

[grave iris]

With the current bs charge hitbox + desync i cant call it balanced

[limber hull]

honestly carno is underpowered in the current branch. That's why it got buffed in HT to actually be decent

cerato... cerato is still busted

[normal shuttle]

And honestly cera is just hard carried by its charged bite that allows it to punch like an alberto constantly.

Besides synergies with some mutations. Otherwise it would be fine for its role

[limber hull]

yea that

[normal shuttle]

But a few fixes and it will be fine

[limber hull]

i honestly would easily say that dilo FAR outclasses carno (when it decides to work lol)

[normal shuttle]

Dilo outclasses everyone when it works honestly

Two shotting a teno is wild

[limber hull]

like "apex" my ass dilo beats all of them

[lucid mauve]

I love that, hate when you need to hit 10 times.

[gritty heart]

Then you will hate that dilo does but through shadow clones

[limber hull]

you... should have to actually fight the teno to kill it lol

[normal shuttle]

Yup

[grave iris]

Lets not even talk about my boy troodon getting nuked by desync

[normal shuttle]

Trading with a carno, cera or teno for two bites and then just running away to kill it with the clones is so miserable and broken

[normal shuttle]

Funny how people only complain about desync and bugs with pounce when they play as omni.

Yet they completely ignore troo

[limber hull]

i like HT troodon

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but most dinos would be crap if they rely on dmg. Deino without grab etc

[grave iris]

Nobody pays attention to us troodon players 😔

[gritty heart]

Personally I think dilo should do less damage but if have it be passively ticking (also less stacking).

That would not only makes it less deadly, but also would mean that prey are less incentivized to attack the hallucinations (giving you more openings to attack)

[gritty heart]

Did you say you wanted a nerf? Troodon now randomly vomits

[normal shuttle]

I like it too. Growing one? Not so much

Tbf I just hate the early game of the entire carnivore faction save for ptera as you are sometimes entirely gambling and on your own, and troodon just pushes it to the extreme without fish or good spawns with crabs in HT

[grave iris]

What did they change for troodon in HT?

[limber hull]

you find one AI and you're set

[grave iris]

Havent tried it yet

[limber hull]

better diet, insanely good stam

[normal shuttle]

50% less stamina consumption, more diet items like crabs and frogs, and also miserably slow juvenile speed

Oh and less growth time

[woeful latch]

the damage nerf now looks reasonable

[limber hull]

growth time is the same iirc

[grave iris]

Tbh if you have the same FG speed im fine with that

[normal shuttle]

Problem at times is when ai doesn’t spawn and you can’t fish or be a cera

I really don’t like feeling like I died due to something I couldn’t prevent

[woeful latch]

juvie troodon speed is not even a problem tbh, at least for me. its the fact that theres no small ai around

[normal shuttle]

And ai disappearing is that

[woeful latch]

i actually prefer slower troodon lol

[normal shuttle]

I wouldn’t mind if sanctuaries had food for carnis

[cyan flame]

@dawn hound So you're punishing the shorter playables while the taller ones will just be fine? You're obviously not going to be swimming in the same spot a troodon will be, if you're much larger, so how is it supposed to work?

[woeful latch]

they're working on it as far as i know, but idk

like the mouse or tiny insects

[dawn hound]

I think I explained it wrong

[ancient kestrel]

465 messages in this channel after just 4 hours. What the heck...

[normal shuttle]

Quad carch when

[woeful latch]

you mean messages

[dawn hound]

Its ment to be when prey is in the state of being hindered in water, its attacks will be much slower, and less damage dealing, unless its specialized for it in some way.

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah right. My language is very English

[normal shuttle]

The haters must be stopped…

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-steve-minecraft-movie-jack-black-gif-12974288341122943699

[woeful latch]

we need a carnivore using same stance mechanic maia uses

[grave iris]

We need yutyrannus

[woeful latch]

teno n to sauru s

[ancient kestrel]

Damn I need sucho here and now. Why it isn't out yet
Talking about it definitely not because I played sucho in PoT recently

[woeful latch]

ill be honest id like sucho instead of deino

[ancient kestrel]

At least bary is may be next year

[woeful latch]

hmmm.. more like.. this year! neya

nyam nayn meow

[ancient kestrel]

Thats very optimistic expectation tbh

It will happen only after allo, austro and kentro for sure

[woeful latch]

we dont know about the kentro

oh and an austro

[cyan flame]

Yeah, I get that, but that's only really going to happen to prey that is barely larger than yourself, so not sure it'll be that much to care for. I think it was the "but at the water where even the smallest adult things cant walk in."that's confusing. Cause the smallest adult thing would be something like hypsi, and obviously a stego isn't going to be deep enough to be hindered by the time a hypsi is swimming. So I'm not sure in what kind of matchups it's supposed to happen in?

[ancient kestrel]

Well it known that austro and kentro animations developed further away than bary

[normal shuttle]

Mapusaurus

[ancient kestrel]

[ancient kestrel]

Para will have it probably

Not sure about shant tho

[woeful latch]

animations is not everything and community had same exact opinion on rex before trike, but we got trike first, it really depends on many things

[woeful latch]

yeah i think so

[ancient kestrel]

Well trike was released in... unpolished state so people wasn't far away in their guesses

[normal shuttle]

I just need quad carchar in my life

Even a concept will do in phase 3. Please Dondi, like this concept

[ancient kestrel]

[woeful latch]

yeah same as any other animal in its HT, i think maia was probably the only recent one being released with full kit

tho it didnt have most of its sounds first few patches

dibble came without spar as well, it was exactly the same

[normal shuttle]

Seriously

Apex pseudo herra would be amazing

!!!

[ancient kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-goofy-cringe-what-gif-10708284611264215060

[ancient kestrel]

Anyway it's very unlikely that we will have 6 new dinos this year

[woeful latch]

that already happened before, expect anything

[ancient kestrel]

When?

[lilac bolt]

is it really that unlikely? with rex and trike on their way allo and austro following them soon after and kentro and bary currently getting their animations done with another 8 months left of the year i don't think its that far out of the realm of possibility

[lilac bolt]

with update 6.5 we got 4 dinos added with troodon, beipi, cera, and galli

[unreal ridge]

Appreciate it
I like to give a visual representation of my thoughts even if the drawing is mid

I’m expecting Rex, trike, allo, Bary and kentro/austro

the work we’ve seen on them seems comparable to when Diablo was like 80% done

so by summer I assume at least Rex trike and allo will be here

The only thing I could see getting in the way is the work on preexisting creatures

The pteranodon rework, hypsi climb, Herrera climb upgrades are most likely going to come before allo

@dawn hound water camping may be really annoying (coming from a troodon player)
But it is a legitimate tactic unfortunately

A lot of players get mad since they can’t kill what they wanted to but this is a survival game and people are allowed to do whatever they want to in order to survive
This includes using their environment

I know it’s rough but sometimes it’s best just walk away and find an easier target

[inland vigil]

or you can just starve them out

[unreal ridge]

I just move on, I’m not gonna be that desperate to kill someone usually

[inland vigil]

had 2 diablos water camping while mixing with a deino, killed one of them because he eventually HAD to come try and eat. its possible to work around

[unreal ridge]

A lot of players don’t play this like a survival game unfortunately and use it as a Dino v Dino fight sim
It’s a lot more enjoyable when you don’t give yourself objectives or slaughter everything

I just be nesting making armies

you ever seen what 23 troodon’s do to a stego?

[inland vigil]

there is little else to do in the isle other than fight

[unreal ridge]

yeah when you only view it as a fighting game

I just be walking around

Admiring gateway

[inland vigil]

eventually that will change. but as of now the reality is that its pvp focused. walking with zero other objective is not fun and you and everyone else knows it lol

[unreal ridge]

Of course it’s not gonna be fun when you pick stego or Cerato all the time

Pick up galli or dryo

[inland vigil]

things like taking shelter when it storms or trying to escape natural disasters or fighting for dominance over herds would be great but right now- as is- it's walking and fighting

[desert arch]

2023
Troodon, beipi, galli, cera, herrera, dilo

[inland vigil]

as someone who DOES tend to give smaller dinosaurs love.. and am consistently bummed out by playing them.. no point made

[ancient kestrel]

Ah, damn. I missed that moment cause haven't played Evrima 2023-2024

[inland vigil]

galli is fun but youll NEVEr see me playing dryo 😂 dude cant do anything but make cute noises and die

[unreal ridge]

That’s why I’m glad they are removing the health indicators and stuff like that

The more people use the meta the less fun the game is

I played a lot of acting servers so my gameplay is usually methodical and I treat the dinosaur like an animal, very cautious and deliberate
Risk assessment stuff like that

It makes the game more fun for me personally

[inland vigil]

would love if i could make a complex burrow and have to evacuate to higher ground when it rains, maybe create a food storage underground, etc. survival games are super fun but the isle (right now) is more of a pvp game

dont get me wrong i love realism

[unreal ridge]

Oh my god you haven’t lived until you’ve matador’d a carno off a cliff 😂

[inland vigil]

i have done that many a time

not with dryo but. many others lol

[unreal ridge]

I love trolling people as dryo it’s my favorite ragebaiter

[inland vigil]

but is it survival to ragebait and troll... not really

its fun. but the dinosaur has no actual purpose in the ecosystem

[unreal ridge]

Well obviously sometimes I just want to have pure fun

I diversify my gameplay to what I’m feeling

[inland vigil]

basically all im saying is that you cant get mad at people who play the isle to fight because right now the survival aspects are sorely lacking. which will be remedied in time :)

[unreal ridge]

I lowkey mixpacked once
This stego would swing at everything so I kept dodging around him until he was out of stamina

Then an Omni pack showed up and pinned him to the ground

[unreal ridge]

Oh I’m not mad at them, I’m just kind of mad at the lack of courtesy, I’ve had the game for a long time and as much as I love how well it’s doing sometimes I get a little frustrated at what it’s become yk?

you know how like older games have those unwritten rules people who play them follow, I’m just a little disappointed sometimes but it’s not a big deal tbh, just a personal observation

[inland vigil]

that is fair

[lucid mauve]

evrima right now is pubg with dinosaurs

[inland vigil]

im definitely one who enjoys killing everything in my path (within reason) as well as realism. i kind of prefer a blend of both

[unreal ridge]

I’ll always respect someone in a game who will have a 1v1

Me and this stego (I was Omni) were fighting and a Diablo intervened to protect him

The stego power swung and killed the Diablo
I sat down, we took a breather to get stamina back and heal a little then went right back to killing each other

it’s just little things that make the game lovable

[inland vigil]

i dont like to sit and wait for combat timers but would prefer people make intentions clear with aggressive body language and stop doing the loser method of backstabbing people who trust you. like i just want a mix between the overbearing unofficials and the chaotic officials

[unreal ridge]

yeah an outcast system would be kinda nice, especially with the cannibalism mutation

[grave iris]

thats the isle in general tho

[inland vigil]

i and a friend were able to hunt a diablo alone as dilos without anything intervening and the guy we hunted was really nice about it and thanked us for the fight. probably best isle experience ive ever had 😂

more of that .. please

[unreal ridge]

Yeah dude I love those fights they remind me of legacy sometimes

A Rex and a Shant or something would be fighting while the weaker herd members would be calling up on a hill or something

[lucid mauve]

Yea, wish it was more survival aspect of the game.

[grave iris]

it would be if the map was bigger

since the map is rather "small" you get a LOT of player combat

[lucid mauve]

i feel the map is big, i mean i can go alot of places where noone is. But most just run to hotspots

[unreal ridge]

There’s only a few times I prefer to mix pack in this game

Stego and dryo are a classic duo, big guy little guy

Personal favorite is Herrera and deino, I love to befriend random deinos as Herrera
Since things never really ignore deino you can go unnoticed for a big drop
Then I feed my big croc some organs for being a distraction
And if the croc grabs someone I get a lung or something

[grave iris]

exactly why i said "small", everyone runs to hotspots and there is 0 reason to stay at the empty places

sure the map is large but its just nothingness

[lucid mauve]

ahh yes true

[inland vigil]

with better migration and patrol and ai spawns, i think hotspots would perish

[grave iris]

nah

[supple spoke]

its not a map size issue tho its just a lack of incentive. something that i hope will be lessened as they add more map features. human bases, dino ai, and such. personally i hope they add regional weather too which could actively push dinos out of certain areas.

[unreal ridge]

I don’t like organized mixpacks, only natural of the moment things that benefit both playables

I had an Omni ptera arrangement
My Omni family was hungry and so was this pteranodon flock, so the pteras would hover over easy prey and we would pin it to the ground, they got a lung or something for being good birds

They alerted us of carno’s and Ceras and we let them land near us

[inland vigil]

the reason people go to hotspots is because theres food there, usually. if youre a carnivore trying to make it in the world you go to a hotspot because there's almost guaranteed bodies to scavenge. herbis can also grow in all the hotspots very easily with patrol zones

a growing dinosaur adds to the hotspot by having them either get large enough to kill other dinosaurs in said hotspot, cointributing more bodies, or they die and again. contribute more bodies

[supple spoke]

i agree with this perspective for the most part. i think things like beipi acting as bait for a deino is mostly harmless. but there is a pretty obvious line between something like that and just outright power gaming.

[unreal ridge]

Patrol zones did make the game kind of easy

What I would do is kind of what happened when diets first arrived
You had one diet plant in a region that 100% always spawned there but of course you had to walk between them to go get good diets

Only in patrol/migration zones do multiple diets spawn together

[thick summit]

If I'm playing deino I always keep beipis around

[unreal ridge]

so yes people can stay in an area and only get one diet plant
But a creature that moves around will be infinitely stronger

[dawn hound]

allosaurus and sauropods...

[lucid mauve]

I think its to easy with food, you can kill a small dibble and feed an army. Meaning big packs, meaning ppl less spread out

[thick summit]

because beipi means safe water, doesn't it?

[grave iris]

not really since eventually they both reach FG

[unreal ridge]

Diablo + stego, cera + stego, cera + Diablo, cera + carno are all unforgivable

[dawn hound]

eh, true

[supple spoke]

being in discord and actively choosing to mixpack & hunt people down is also very different from encountering another dino and bonding in some way through happenstance. but there is a line you must walk in that regard too imo

[unreal ridge]

The devs are going to make it so healthy individuals (creatures that moved around and got all 3 diets) get certain individual buffs to the default creature that incentivize moving around
The dinosaur will be physically stronger/weaker depending on how you do in its growth

Someone who sits in a bush and gets 1 diet will be much much noticeably weaker than a fit Dino

confirmed by kissen I believe

[lucid mauve]

as grown or while growing ?

[grave iris]

troodons are straight up doomed lmao

[unreal ridge]

it’s like a fitness thing, you gotta stay active to be in shape

The less you do the less you get in return

While growing, it can be remedied by getting healthy as an adult but it takes much longer

[grave iris]

getting all diet as troodon is something youll only see in your dreams

[unreal ridge]

In small ai we pray

[supple spoke]

see, i don’t really regard herbis moving together as “mixpacking” because in nature they have little incentive to have conflict unless there is overcrowding or famine.

i play carni (omni lol) mostly and i just find it more difficult to get angry at than like a cera + carno or cera + stego mix pack or something.

[unreal ridge]

troodon should just spawn in the sanctuaries where all the rats and insects spawn

[lucid mauve]

ahh fair, i like it. Ppl surving running around, taking risk etc. Should get some benefits. And also making the "world" more alive

[normal shuttle]

too many uneducated haters...

no upvotes since then and more downvotes joined the fray...

[unreal ridge]

I do view the herbis moving together as mixpacking when the species are supposed to be in direct competition with each other if that makes sense

Pachy for example is chill with most of the roster since they get completely different migrations and eat different foods
So big guys don’t mind having a pachy around

Diablo is a foe since they eat a lot, they are competitive and they eat a lot of the same foods Maia, stego and tenonto eat

[supple spoke]

diablo and stego is just untouchable, don’t get me wrong. it just isn’t as rage inducing to me personally, because it isn’t simultaneously immersion breaking.

[unreal ridge]

Ye i agree with it too
The more you actually play you get rewarded for it, makes sense

[unreal ridge]

I just tend to avoid diablos as stego, they eat my food and ram baby stegos

[grave iris]

troodon having critters to eat in sanctuaries is a dream i will prolly never see

[unreal ridge]

competition

[thick summit]

as they should be

[unreal ridge]

The grass hopper

[supple spoke]

yah, thats still only in the case of famine. i think changes to grazing could introduce some more incentive for herbis to have conflict with eachother. as of right now there is no incentive.

with carno or cera, i find that way worse bc they are legit in eachothers diets.

[unreal ridge]

The reintroduction of the malnutrition would turn every herbivore against each other lmao

I would be fine with the malnutrition debuffs if food actually gave enough food

[grave iris]

Ares! fix troodon pounce on boars and my life is yours!

[unreal ridge]

Troodon pin

[grave iris]

its so infuriating pouncing on a boar only to get stuck in its head and dying

[unreal ridge]

Oh my god yes I hate the boar so much since they literally insta kill you when you hop off 😭

[supple spoke]

boar will still be top of the food chain when rex is added

[unreal ridge]

I got the solution to Rex mega pack/mixpack right here

Only rexes under 50%/subadult give diets to adult Rex
So 1, giant Rex packs don’t prosper by killing other large adult rexes
2. Rexes don’t benefit from one of them dying in a fight, since now they can grow more from a single dead Rex
3. It still keeps population down since big Rexes are eating the juveniles

the juveniles can also survive since they have much more stamina and are faster than the adults

[supple spoke]

ok now do cera

[unreal ridge]

Hell even make the juvis give 3 diets to the adult Rex so there’s even more incentive to keep population down lol

[grave iris]

that, but with ceras

i want ceras OUT of my game

[unreal ridge]

Ceras screen flashes hallucination words every time you are around an ungrouped Cerato

It’ll flick your screen around and flash
EAT HIM
In bring red for like a second and half before your screen goes back to normal

The longer you are in proximity the louder the urges and voices get

DELICIOUS CERA FLESH

Totally fixed

[supple spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[unreal ridge]

Make Cerato the most nutritious thing for Cerato to eat

Like idk Cerato gives all 3 diets to Cerato, they said when cera groups meet it’s almost 100% ending in a brawl where winner eats all

What better way than to turn Cerato into a scooby snack for other Cerato 🤤

I’m joking I know this would be horrific

Maybe you just get more meat off a Cerato than any other prey in the same weight class

Cerato savors Cerato meat even more than anything, just eating everything off no scraps

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message who in a world didn’t understand that, that’s so obvious to me lol

like actually lol

[inland vigil]

maybe cannibalistic species could naturally debuff each other when ungrouped, but this would not happen if grouped
it would encourage people to kill or chase away others who are hanging around in their space while also not being able to be used for griefing, since the griefer would also receive the debuff. it would make both sides more vulnerable to outside threats while leaving them both evenly matched. basically making it a stupid idea to roll with a megapack

[unreal ridge]

Well things like accelerated prey drive should definitely be clarified

Many took the mutation as you deal 10% more damage to low health targets when instead you deal 10% more damage when at low health yourself

[inland vigil]

some of the mutations are so vague

like hypermetabolic ..

hypometabolic? whatever it is

[supple spoke]

i think the point is that there is an unnecessary amount of ambiguity. “damage increases as hunger level decreases” leaves much less room for interpretation.

[woeful latch]

hm i’m pretty sure it deals more damage to animals with low health, literally what descriptions says..

[woeful latch]

well yeah, but even then it’s pretty easy to check yourself the damage in tab menu

[supple spoke]

only after you’ve taken the mutation.

[bright spruce]

@verbal chasm i love your idea. maybe something like dimorphodon or maybe making pterodactylus playable would be nice

[gray canopy]

I don't think it's very obvious. Hunger is defined as the need to eat, and as such the absence of food. So the current mutation reads "The less 'need to eat' you have, the more damage you deal" - which as the author identified, indicates that the fuller your belly the more damage you do, which is incorrect.
I suspect you've misunderstood the mutation.

[woeful latch]

that’s why i said it was obvious to me,

it might not be obvious to others i guess

[sterile geyser]

👍

[vapid harbor]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1357077950687612930
theyre never going to do this, because although they have no issues with megapacks, mixpacks, and any form of grouping abuse, scouting is where they draw the line

also unless they make the server sizes bigger, having a bunch of people actually wanting to play pteranodon will make the server practically empty

[unreal ridge]

"deals more damage to prey when on low health"

theres two interpretations
yours - when the prey is on low health you do more damage
mine - when you are on low health you deal more damage

which is why it should be more clarified and distinguished for all people

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message @frigid mica that was skill

[frigid mica]

bush made me fall and i got stuck inside This GAME is awsome man! Great job devs!

[normal shuttle]

To be fair

Terrain use is totally fine, otherwise you would have one tapped that guy with no counterplay

[frigid mica]

bro did u watch what i send ?

stop being funboy bushes are not obstcle, they never been that is not a tree or something

[frigid mica]

To be fair? LOL

[verbal chasm]

I'm so happy that other people think its a good concept. Almost certainly not going to be implemented, but I can dream..

[normal shuttle]

Have you ever been hit by a branch when riding on a (motor)bike or a horse? I assume not

And you got also stuck in the tree which yeah sucks and should be fixed

Not arguing that, but bushes should also be an obstacle

[frigid mica]

bro i sent there pure bug and u still talking and look at ur name omni hater what are u kid or somthing ?

[frigid mica]

plus if u think that (realistic) when u run with top speed and bonk a tree u get hella stunned then let's bring this to game everytime running dino if hit an obstcle indluding bushes get stunned LOL

Don't argue with me with ur braindead ideas ty

[frigid mica]

i stuck into dilo not tree ?? mate u have big mental issue go see a doc

[woeful latch]

heheh now omnis know how it feels to get damaged without being able to do anything about it

[frigid mica]

another omni hater 😄

if u dont know i can tell u that is a ability which makes it unique like carno ram or even u guys dont complain about dilo which not even using hella stamina

[gritty heart]

People do complain about dilo, a lot

[frigid mica]

people do this guy not as much as omni

this two always crying about omni its not that strong if u compare with dilo or cera

[gritty heart]

I mean tbf I do find Omni the easiest equivalent sized carnivore to beat as a dilo (herra can just avoid you, carno can run you down, and cera is a comparative tank).

Even without dilo venom (main). It’s basically just all down to if I get a tree (which aren’t rare in the isle)

[frigid mica]

it is mate when i play dilo or cera i just directly run towards raptor sounds free meal if u use ur brain a bit

and am not even cera or dilo player

[lucid mauve]

good exactly how it should be

[frigid mica]

but i really dont understand why people complain about omni that much today as a 6 member pack we just got clapped one miss pounce to other raptor 2 of us instantly dead

[supple spoke]

people just don’t like the pin mechanic. i play omni mostly and it makes it pretty frustrating to talk about balance regarding the playable. especially since i hardly ever use, or really even care for the pin portion of omni’s kit. i feel your pain bro lmao

[frigid mica]

so what herrara even can oneshot same weight dinos 😄

can one shot omni even dilo

[normal shuttle]

I am gonna ask you to chill out nicely. Pounce is very jank, yes, and you got weirdly stunned against the bush while attached to the dilo, but what killed you was staying by the tree which happens a lot with omnis and should absolutely be fixed

[unreal ridge]

@molten spear that would make sense if stego didnt have a group limit of 5

[normal shuttle]

I am not disagreeing with that

[unreal ridge]

strangely beipi has the highest base group limit with 12

[normal shuttle]

because pinning is no skill, and so is pounce against pachies and dilos

[molten spear]

its 5!?!?

[supple spoke]

it is 5..? 🗿

[normal shuttle]

and yeah people complain more about dilo unironically

[unreal ridge]

yeah 5 stegos

[molten spear]

Ew

[normal steeple]

@molten spear this goes for like every animal though.. it's a survival game, and u hunt through opportunity and 4 trikes are not an opportunity

[normal shuttle]

should I call a mod, guys?

[unreal ridge]

5 stegos
8 tenos
10 hyspis
8 pachys
10 dryos
6 diablos
9 maias

[normal shuttle]

three replies in a row attacking me

[normal steeple]

there's definitely going to be lone trikes u'd fine and other herbivores which may be easier

[normal shuttle]

this guy might need some time to think about how you treat strangers online

[unreal ridge]

get this thug off the isle cord streets

just like xbox servers

[frigid mica]

ur idea was no sense

i was being honest

[normal shuttle]

I don't care, we have rules here

[unreal ridge]

what was his idea

[frigid mica]

i didnt swear u mate i said ur idea is no sense

[gritty heart]

Doubly strange since you rarely meet another beipi

[supple spoke]

trike, 3 group limit, it just makes sense tho come on

[normal shuttle]

I could also "be honest" about how I feel about some raging gamer insulting me even though I think pounce needs bug fixes urgently

but I don't

[unreal ridge]

yeah yk some group limits dont make sense
you can only have 6 pteras in a flock?

[unreal ridge]

what was your suggestion

[frigid mica]

and i feel same about haters

[molten spear]

yeah but like if there is a group of 4 trikes and no body will try to challenge them and shi they will get bored and start acting like the stegos of today and then there only danger which is rex wont touch them so they will just cause chaos

[normal steeple]

not rlly, i see them as any large animal alive tday like elephant so i feel a group with a pretty decent amount of adults and some babies is perfectly fine.

[normal steeple]

that's just how it is, and some people will kos regardless. and they'll have at least 2 other apex dinos to worry abt like giga and spino.

[supple spoke]

no one in here has any actual power over the changes made to the game. take some solace in knowing there are folks that feel your pain, and come here just to share ideas. we can all be homies 😼 tis not hard

[supple spoke]

lol i was just saying TRIceratops, group of 3

[normal steeple]

ohhh 😭

[frigid mica]

i agree but i am complaining about a bug which i died 100 times cuz of this and he comes say this

[unreal ridge]

the branch should knock you off but i understand it is frustrating just standing there
but thats only because the animation isnt playing

you arent "stuck" standing still, the get up animation is broken, so it looks like you are stuck

[normal shuttle]

Because I still think it is totally fair that a branch could knock you off the animal. You just remained latched which sucked more and I agree that death was cheap and undeserved

No need to get mad and less over a game

[lucid mauve]

You throwing realism in? Like if herds of buffalo had human brain, lions would never go for them lol

[frigid mica]

just tiny leaf and stick should 500 kilo dino must knock off ?

[supple spoke]

tbf there are some really silly plant collisions. i think that large bushes like that make some sense, but still.

a stun of that length makes sense if you hit a tree. hitting a dense bush should basically just plop you off with no stun (punishment is the stamina cost). and those stupid little perennial type plants should actually have their collision removed almost entirely imo. it barely collides with the model most of the time

[frigid mica]

it wasnt there any plant except a bush and it was size of my tail 😄

[unreal ridge]

im thinking only woody stems and thick branches should knock raptors off
its a 450kg animal, its not going to be thrown off by some leaves

[frigid mica]

bro it was lil one

only bush no any woody thing

[unreal ridge]

you got rubbed off on the tree what

[normal shuttle]

your body did rub against a large one. Not against all of it but still

[unreal ridge]

oh now i see it

the little palm tree in the bush

[frigid mica]

yeah

[unreal ridge]

hate those

[frigid mica]

mate stop being omg idk what to say

[normal shuttle]

model prolly crashed with the collision

[frigid mica]

these bush dont make me fall

[normal shuttle]

lemme rewind

[normal steeple]

i meant in terms of appearance/niche + the predator in this case also has the human brain just fight a lone triceratops and if u can't find a lone one ur sol.

[frigid mica]

this lil plant next to my tail

that one did

[normal shuttle]

ooh okay I saw it now replaying

thought it was the larger one

[supple spoke]

yah those are the plants im talking about

[normal shuttle]

yeah like I'm not gonna deny collisions are wonky and you getting dragged like that was miserable

[frigid mica]

bushes never do that knock off this cuz as u can see they are only leaf and stick

bushes just for hiding so there is no palm no tree

[normal shuttle]

I think large bushes at the very least should take stam away though, but that's not really on topic

[supple spoke]

there are like 2-3 ferns of that size that cause knock offs, it is definitely super frustrating.

[frigid mica]

that is insane bro and i died cuz of this

[supple spoke]

i think knocking the raptor off w/o stunning it would be a reasonable punishment. solid trees should still be a stun tho

[frigid mica]

yeah bushes souldn't count cuz already there is many obstcle especially in jung

so in openfield raptor can be stronger but in jung i can handle 4 or them by mylsef as a cera

fair to me

[unreal ridge]

the trike and similarly stego's max pack are supposed to be impenetrable from all but those who work to bring down prey over time

allo, rex, spino any of the apexes cannot and should not be able to challenge a max limit herd and thats their defense
their options are to wait until someone strays from the herd to lay a critical blow and bring them down, where that be 3 allos pinning a stego to the ground, rex crushing its head or spino flipping them and going for the soft underbelly

the only creatures who do have the option of taking on large herds are those who specialize in weeding out the weak and use persistence

troodon, omniraptor, dilo, velociraptor, herrera and sometimes allo ONLY IF it doesnt use grapple
these predators all share the ability or perceived ability to deal huge amounts of bleed or damage and quickly escape to recover while prey still has to suffer
troodon's venom, omni's bleed pounce, dilo's clones, herrera pounce and presumably since allo has huge meat hooks for claws itll be able to deliver serious scratches

the only thing that really fits into both categories is giga, since it has the capabilities of dealing enough damage to put prey down there and then, but if prey does escape the amount of blood they hemorrhage will kill them

shant's group limit is either gonna be 2 or 6 if we are being completely real
same with cama

[frigid mica]

thnx for understanding

[normal shuttle]

that's fair too

[frigid mica]

i agree that too

[lucid mauve]

Im sorta fine with that, but you also need to think about if 5 stegos is max. Imagine the pack numbers you would need. And beeing 5 stegos etc, 8 dibbles. Should be hell food vice, i would get it then. But now food is way to easy, can even thrive with those numbers.

More is better, but should come at a cost that aswell

[unreal ridge]

yeah the whole thing is to sort of weed out bad carnivores
herbivores can have huge groups, strong abilities, etc to make them way more appealing to people with lots of friends or who want power trips

carnivores are statistically weaker in most regards, having to rely on abilities to take down prey

as soon as one strays from the herd its go time, you gotta bring him down asap

[lucid mauve]

Same goes for carnis, was in a 4 pack carno group. Killed a little dibble,no effort no skill. Could feed an army that dibble

[unreal ridge]

thats why more carnivores are getting stuns, grapples, spars, etc

[lucid mauve]

No need for big groups of those, ppl should spread out. If you wanne be in huge groups. Play something much smaller, like dryo etc

[unreal ridge]

damn im only just realizing cama will only be like 2 tons heavier than shant lmao

they will prob upsize it

[unreal ridge]

im cool with 3 for trike's max to be honest

the main thing is that they want herbivores to outmatch carnivores
rex, giga, spino, acro, etc will probably all hunt in pairs, acro may be a trio kind of guy but we've only seen a duo so far so ill assume duo

a 2v3 is less intimidating, as soon as you take down one like some guy went away to go eat now its a 2v2 and depending on how much damage you took or how confident you are a two v two could mean herbivores just lose

2v4 is more intimidating because even after you take down 1 guy theres still 3 more so you cant go on a rampage
its supposed to humble you, take what you got and if you try to take more you'll be quickly shut down

[lucid mauve]

Well yea, but thats where food comes in. 2 rexes is fine, but then you cant just go around killing small stuff and thrive. You would need to kill something thats gonna challenge you. As solo rex, sure you can "chill" more.

[unreal ridge]

one trike, one stego, etc can perfectly fill a duo of apexes and whatever litter they may have thats fine

[lucid mauve]

Yea im fine with duo apexes, thats ok. But more then that, should be really hard food vice.

[icy lion]

@sharp bronze Quetz is planned

[lucid mauve]

2 rexes would need to go for something big to feed them. Killing a dibble shouldt sustain food for them

a snack : )

[normal shuttle]

@sharp bronze are you asking for it to be higher on the priority list or assuming that it wasn’t planned and they didn’t show us the concept art and rendered, colored model already?

@flint mantle allo is such slop

why ask for them to hurry with that one

[unreal ridge]

i like allo

pack hunter big

[normal shuttle]

I like allo too!

except for the omni bit...

QA, you better not let me down on this one

[icy lion]

@buoyant dove baryonyx

[normal shuttle]

^

literally baryonyx

[thick summit]

I'd consider bary as a true mid tier

Depends on its size I guess

[normal shuttle]

I would consider a lot of the pseudo and mid and low tier completely arbitrary and nebulous concepts

[normal shuttle]

prolly gonna be about teno size

[thick summit]

I mean yeah

Potentially bigger

I'd like to see a 2 tonne bary

[normal shuttle]

anything works

but we can know for sure

that kapro is not needed

tell me what could make it unique and not smaller, kinda U6 deino

[flint mantle]

Tell the devs its slop, i want it.

[normal shuttle]

I am sad

that they straight up want to make it a pouncer

[flint mantle]

I to be honest do not mind the idea, its different from the omni and could bring it a unique playstyle.

[normal shuttle]

if it takes skill and they are not untouchable for anything smaller like omnis are, I would be on board

but we will see, otherwise I will erase my name so #AlloHater can fit in

[unreal ridge]

i feel like denver would be a good bridge between minmi and anky, especially with the other thyreophoreans

we have minmi, kentro, stego, anky and no real armored midtier

not too bulky but also considerably strong, a nice mid weight of 3.3 tons

[gritty heart]

Tbh, group limits aren’t that impactful Anyways. Like nothing stops you from hanging out with more people. (I remember deino launch had common swarms of deinos just chilling in the same spot. If you cannid it would mean you got to be the target)

[woven bane]

group limits makes it harder to coordinate, still helps to a degree

[frigid mesa]

I would say sauropelta would be a better pick than Denversaurus

[unreal ridge]

really up to personal preference at that point, i choice denver since its more streamline than sauropelta and thus would be more fit for a river
pelta would work

[frigid mesa]

Yea but I chose sauropelta due to it being the mirror opposite of anky

As with sauropelta it’s large shoulder spikes can give it a more aggressive playstyle rather than the more defensive anky

[unreal ridge]

I thought about pelta but i felt that wouldve leaned a little too far into what they wanted to do with kentro

[limber hull]

or just dont have them give diet to other rexes at all and shoot the issue in the foot

honestly it does nothing to keep the population down, it just makes growing easier because you just kill the other growing rexes (adult rex is too slow to catch juvi/sub) and grow off that

[thick summit]

We DESPISE the allosaurus

I can't wait to go dibble and hunt those disgusting theropods

[barren crater]

[thick summit]

Juvi allos watching from afar knowing the carnage I'll leave behind in the allo ht, will get them to adulthood if they're cannibalistic

[heady geode]

Im hoping by the time allo comes out we wont need to have this whole "the new thing can only compete with itself", because in allos case rex, trike, and stego already exist, its not the top of the food chain on release like rex will be, cera is, and carno was

it's finally just another dinosaur, its not the best at what it does it just Does dinosaur things, its not a rex, it just hunts big stuff in packs

[floral fjord]

[Can this be fixed, because I went the longest time without realising that it was the opposite.](#general-feedback message)

[floral fjord]

Why do screen-space reflections only work with lumen enabled?

[grave iris]

#general-feedback message so basically just another reason for people to play more of the goblin herrera, there is only one dino that would benefit from this

[urban flax]

Ever heard of ambience ?

[grave iris]

Do you want even more herrera players and now they dont even need to touch the ground till they are FG?

[urban flax]

I don't think herrera is the greatest offender in this ecosystem

Also you could just make monkeys decently hard to catch, like every AI should be

[limber hull]

also ptera, quetz, juvi megalania, gen 2 and hypsi would all interact with it

also monkey funny

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message they working on hacking issues as you can see by recent hotfixes for live branch so just stop spread misinformation that devs do nothing and don't care@median hound

And there were reasons to switch from battle eye

[median hound]

Unless i missed it, There isnt a single line that says anything about the hacking brother.

[ancient kestrel]

Because they can't directly mention it. Like would you make patchnotes about plugging holes in the code to alarm hackers? Whatever your answer it's not smart to do that

[median hound]

I disagree completely.

Should mention it ALL THE TIME, should work on it ALL THE TIME, should make it WELL KNOWN they are working on it.

Their will always be hackers, as i said.

But as of right now, this game isnt even worth loading into.

[urban flax]

And that's how to not ever catch a hacker

[median hound]

Well thats it mate, Youll never stop it completely.

But imagine if they were hitler hectic on it? admins packed. PAID admins. etc etc

[ancient kestrel]

Again it will alarm hackers which will buy the time for them to find countermeasures faster

Devs are absolutely aware of hacker situation hence why there were no updates to HT for 2 weeks and only hotfixes for Evrima branch

[median hound]

Nah still disagree.

Lets talk about just the AU servers, for an example.

Every few days you see an admin say something in the chat. mainly a bloke called Thyler.

Again, hes not paid, just a normal dude like you and i, thats logs on to try help the community.

Imagine if dondi wasnt so cheap, and paid admins, for all servers.
Staying with AU and the three servers.
Imagine if he paid three admin one per server.
They get paid to keep server controlled.
Admin flying around map, recording cool fights, and red gunning anyone hacking.

pretty simple fix in my eyes.

• with battle eye anti cheat instead of easy anti cheat

[ancient kestrel]

We are not know about Afterthought's budget. May be they just don't have enough to sustain paid admins and BattleEye (which VERY EXPENSIVE)

[median hound]

^ i wouldnt know on the prices. So could be completely right.

But lets not be niave.. Theyve sold bulk copes of this at $30 a pop, in aus anyway.
They got the paper to reinvest in the game, at the very least to hire VA assistants to help with hacking. would pay them FA

[ancient kestrel]

Whatever the case they working on that. Just wait and see

Like you seriously thinking that they will decide to ignore this situation before releasing T-Rex and trike on the main branch?

Do not pretend that your deal with that bigger than their deal with that cause for them it's much more dangerous than for you- you just frustrated. While for devs it will cost much more than just frustration

[median hound]

ignore what? the hacking situation?

Nah i dont think so.

I reckon most of their thinking is going into, how to stop rex and trike breaking the game. The dino roster is super lame. Releasing these two apexes, will indeed break it. Noone plays 2/3 of the roster. Your either a diab/steg/cera/carno/raptor, exceptions ofcourse but MOST are there.

Rex and trike will delete all. Noone will play anything but them.

So i reckon their thinking about that, instead of thinking about the hacking, which has gone on for way too long with zero fix.

[median hound]

try again in english ya sped?

[ancient kestrel]

I try to say that for you hackers - just minor inconvenience with the game. For them - it may cost by loosing money and reputaton if they ignore that.

[median hound]

ten fold agree. As i said, youtube videos are being made PURELY on the hacking situation. not as a side note. the entire video is about hacking and the isle is rubbish

cmon meow!

[ancient kestrel]

They obviously taking it seriously devs just don't speak about it loudly untill they find solution to deal with that

I always wonder why most hacker issues happening in AU region

[heady geode]

#isle-discussion message during the first wave of hotfixes they did release something, from this we can only gleam that they're trying to fix the anti cheat with the hotfixes

what the changes contain in its entirety, who knows, dilo got fixed though, and I havent been sent to space in 2 days

[heady geode]

lowest ping to trouble nations (view the legacy isle server list for example), also least likely to be covered by an admin, au servers have no regional admin, so naturally they're all asleep during AU peak hours, and when not, NA/EU admins much prefer their regions

[latent olive]

the AU servers have always had funny history behind them

[heady geode]

I nested in a few yellow names and the first words out of their beak was "pings so bad here"

[median hound]

Goin spaceX full send is still happening.

AU hacking is on another level.
The wack part is mostly its not actually aussies.
Most hacking clips are 10pm onwards, and the hacker has asian characters as the name.

so branching on beasty comment - if they hired/paid actual australian admins, i believe it would be much, much cleaner.

[latent olive]

used to be chinese omniraptor clan wars waaaay back in the day

[untold geyser]

is this deepie's target audience

[heady geode]

isnt deepie british

[limber hull]

"I reckon most of their thinking is going into, how to stop rex and trike breaking the game"

And yet the HT hasn't been updated in over a week because they keep hotfixing the live branch specifically to combat hackers

[untold geyser]

not that i know of
eastern european timezone iirc

[median hound]

specifically to combat the hackers ay? are you an admin? are you apart of the dev team or just another bloke with an opinion?

How could you possibly know those hotfixes are fixing hacking? doesnt state it at all, anywhere?

[untold geyser]

and everything north and south of that

[lilac bolt]

the less hackers know the better

[heady geode]

Deepie Madagascar nationality lore

[untold geyser]

WOAG

[limber hull]

dev statements and overall seeing certain hacks magically stop working after the patches

[heady geode]

bro I just sent a link to a dev (red name) saying it IS doing that exact thing

[lilac bolt]

what hacks are still currently affecting the game rn?

[heady geode]

esp will never be gone, so sometimes guys will just beeline you into a bush, range hacks since Ive been bit by a cera while sitting in a tree, and some sort of flight cheat

I have a video of a stego descending from the heavens into southplains

[versed cradle]

i will say the most recent patch definetly has something to do with possibly helping id players easier, and that means hackers as well.

[dry nebula]

Lmao

[limber hull]

yea the new patch is almost entirely an anti-hacker patch lol

[heady geode]

#videos-and-streams message quite graceful for a flying brick

[dry nebula]

Thank you so much for this

[median hound]

Iv had this conversation with another american. He himself hasnt been done in by hackers, and being american, noone else exists right 😉

The dead chit straight out calling me a liar and a fool. comical.

Broken record but, again - There are youtube videos being released based on hacking in the isle. not a side note, not a winge. the whole video is on hacking.

There are so many hacks. This game must be damn easy to hack or something..
They will never stop the hackers completely, this is known.
But they could build a damn solid brick wall to combat it, and have an army of paid admins standing ontop blocking out the sky with their banning arrows.

[keen wharf]

was this from tonight on this most recent patch?