general-feedback-discussion

[lucid mauve]

Lets be honest here, if you get ambush by a stego. You deserve that death so badly

[barren crater]

i bush camp around highlands bridge as stego. Caught a lot of ceras that way

[limber hull]

sure, but it still happened

[white elm]

a maia can ambush a cera

need I roll the clip?

[barren crater]

nah stego near a path is a formidable ambusher

[limber hull]

the point is not who has or hasnt a skill issue, the point is that it can happen

[barren crater]

the range is amazing

[lucid mauve]

Yea so what. Deserved, dont mean ambushing is not justfied

[limber hull]

wdym ambushing is not justified

when did i say it wasnt justified

[lucid mauve]

Because a stego ambush someone, dont mean ambush is easy with allo.

The stego just killed a dumb player lol

[urban flax]

In a game designed correctly, if you get ambushed by anything it's your fault and you deserve to be killed

[normal shuttle]

I literally ambush people as stego. It’s perfectly doable

[barren crater]

Allo doesn't need ambush speed. All it needs is a good base speed + instant acceleration

[limber hull]

no but it means that if a stego can do it, an allo can do it a whole lot easier, so i dont think a speed boost is remotely necessary

[lucid mauve]

Yea sorta, but i get getting ambushed by a omni. But complaing a stego ambushed you, well

[normal shuttle]

Instant acceleration on a 3 ton pinning predator is so stupid

[lucid mauve]

No, im saying cus a stego ambushes you. Your dumb, that does not mean allo is easy if people actually pay some attention.

[urban flax]

Yeah but if you mind your surroundings perfectly (which nobody ever does) you won't get ambushed by an omni, or a carno, or by anything (except deino)
Ambush speeds makes it different

[limber hull]

^

[normal shuttle]

Paying attention all the time on all places is not something that can be done consistently. A better ambusher will always come on top

[limber hull]

situational awareness makes you fundmentally immune to ambush from any creature

[barren crater]

Why's that? Nearly every creature has instant acceleration anyways. Wonder if they'll do a global acceleration nerf

[white elm]

slower than cera, ht maia acceleration

[normal shuttle]

No, they don’t

[lucid mauve]

Exactly, thats why you use your ambush to your advantage lol.

[white elm]

(its actually kind of good now trust me)

[normal shuttle]

No creature has literally instant acceleration

[limber hull]

yes. your ambush of being in a bush, running out and pinning them

no speed boost needed

[normal shuttle]

Let alone the largest ones

[barren crater]

Well on paper sure, just let it be near those anyways

[lucid mauve]

Speed boost is another thing tho, i dont mind it. Depends on the speed of whatever your ambushing with, and how fast it can kill.

[white elm]

speed boost is unnecessary tho

[barren crater]

Acceleration exists for all creatures technically, but most of the time getting to top speed doesn't take long

[normal shuttle]

Maybe but it would also need the right stamina to compensate, since you don’t want this thing that can likely one shot like half of the roster giving you no time to react if you’re close such as when fighting

[normal shuttle]

It really won’t need it

Even ceras can ambush gallis in the right circumstances

[lucid mauve]

Maybe, rex will have it. Now thats slow and easy to see. So might need it

[normal shuttle]

And Allo is a big game hunter anyway

It doesn’t need to be that fast

[lucid mauve]

In packs yes, solo doubt

[limber hull]

we dont know rex's base speed. thing could be horribly sluggish outside of ambush

we'll see

[white elm]

please don't make ambush mechanics a thing

[limber hull]

murdersprint is happening

[lucid mauve]

Yea thats what i mean, if allo is fast for its size etc. Prob dont need speed boost

[white elm]

I hope it turns out problematic so its removed

[urban flax]

Am I the only one who thinks everything (except galli and maia who already accelerate slowly) should reach their top speed slower ?
With the bigger they are, the longer they take to accelerate

[woven bane]

not really

[normal shuttle]

Depends. Tenos, ceras or even not fg dibbles if allo pin works like Omni’s are going to be very easy pickings for allo. Same goes for ht maia since it is slower than cera until 60% and by then it is over 2 tons of a juicy hadrosaur

[urban flax]

We honestly don't really know what murdersprint is
Could be similar to carno's old charge

[normal shuttle]

Also deinos if you catch one that is below 50-60% growth

[woven bane]

you can just press shift + W

[lucid mauve]

Oww, wait. When you say big hunter. You meaning maia size or teno size etc

[limber hull]

no its pretty much just ambush speed LMAO

we've seen it in gameplay and yea

[urban flax]

Really ? It's just crouching and then it gets a speed boost ?

[normal shuttle]

Allo can just use stealth. And no, fresh ceras and dibbles are not faster than their adult counterparts, meaning that it is very likely that dibbles are forced to remain hidden for +3 hours in order to not instantly die

[lucid mauve]

You sorta run and bite bite it looked like

[normal shuttle]

Same goes for ceras but 2 hours although tbf they have the swimming speed

[white elm]

good gameplay

[limber hull]

yea basically lol

[urban flax]

bruh

[lucid mauve]

What did you expect rex to have lol

[normal shuttle]

My fav mechanic

[urban flax]

Something that makes sense

[white elm]

not an ambush mechanic, since they're lame

[normal shuttle]

Rex fighting crouched like in legacy is gonna go hard

[woven bane]

cera picks up speed extremely fast, by like 35% its already 39kmh and dibble’s speed is being worked on, it’ll be faster during its juvenile-sub stages than currently

[white elm]

crouch battles are SO BACK

[lucid mauve]

Tell me, how does the rex eat without catching up to something ? If you see a rex, that rex will never catch you

[white elm]

"If you see a rex, that rex will never catch you"

good.

[normal shuttle]

Seeing two rexes crouched while facing each other. Absolute cinema

[white elm]

this is how it should be.

[urban flax]

ambush

[limber hull]

lmao
https://youtu.be/FNX_rkjdvK4?t=138

[lucid mauve]

Ahh, so you mean without speed boost ?

[limber hull]

how is this a bad thing lol

[normal shuttle]

Literally how it should be. If you see a herra, it will never catch you. If you see a deino, it will never catch you. They’re all ambush hunters brother. Only expect subadults and juveniles to actually chase stuff

[lucid mauve]

Its not, its perfect for me when im not playing rex. But would be hell for rex

[limber hull]

Tell me, how does the deino eat without catching up to something ? If you see a deino, that deino will never catch you

The answer is pretty simple. One word

Ambush

[urban flax]

wtf

[urban flax]

Of course yes

[barren crater]

I mean depends on the speed of the ambush tbh

[lucid mauve]

As what ? I never been ambushed by someone i can see from afar

[normal shuttle]

42-44kph sub rex big enough to swallow a dryo or a boar

[urban flax]

It's so bad
It's terrible in every way

[limber hull]

so dont be seen from afar???

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-19420607

[limber hull]

if you're being seen from afar as a rex you've messed up somewhere

[urban flax]

Sub rex running as fast as a dryo for 15 seconds straight

[normal shuttle]

Rex at that growth better have truly abysmal maneuverability or stamina. Otherwise half of the roster is cooked

[lucid mauve]

I think we are actually saying the same, if a rex ambushed you. Your mistake was not seeing it lol

[normal shuttle]

And it looks easily 3-4 tons

[urban flax]

That costed it 25% stamina

[normal shuttle]

Good

[urban flax]

NO LOL
It's ridiculously low

[normal shuttle]

I mean,at least it won’t get to pin you if you mess with it for a while

[urban flax]

That means rex could have at least 75 seconds of running at 40+ km/h

[normal shuttle]

Well then

[urban flax]

That is ridiculously absurd

[normal shuttle]

Sub rex is so back (tragedy)

[lucid mauve]

Thats alot lol

[urban flax]

That's 75 more seconds than it should

[normal shuttle]

Hopefully not many will hit subadult as rex

[barren crater]

knowing isle difficulty lol

[lucid mauve]

I dont get why people say its difficult. This is one of the easiest games to grow in ?

Even in packs, when you kill something small you can feed an army

[barren crater]

I agree. They need to nuke ai and rework the food value!

[normal shuttle]

Cera is not a good example

[urban flax]

That's definitely how to not solve it

[lucid mauve]

Atleast when i play in packs, i would defintly loved if we needed to go for something bigger that could challange us

[barren crater]

i was clearly exaggerating

[urban flax]

Don't reduce AI numbers, increase how difficult it is to catch them

[barren crater]

actually i guess not :(

[lucid mauve]

How do solve it then ?

[normal shuttle]

I hate packs

Bad players

[urban flax]

Make AI hard to catch

[lucid mauve]

Same lol

[urban flax]

Add difficulty through mechanics other than food scarcity, such as environmental hazards, sickness, other forms of danger

[lucid mauve]

But who would that be hard for? You mean juvis ?

[urban flax]

Everyone

[lucid mauve]

Atleast nerf the food from carcass, that feeds an army

[urban flax]

Uuhhhh depends on what's eating it
Some dinos eat more than 200% of their body weight to fill their stomach and that's stupid

I'd make diets more important and make it harder to obtain a perfect diet
Which means you can survive easily off junk food, but you'll end up seriously crippled

[lucid mauve]

Nah, im saying if im 4 carnos that should be hard food vice. If your only killing easy kills, small dibble etc

[urban flax]

It's not a good example, carno is a prime example of something that should be able to sustain itself off small prey

[lucid mauve]

solo yes, 4 carnos in one group. Should push you to go for something bigger or another pack

[urban flax]

4 carnos should have a hard time catching enough food for all, not getting fed from said food

Lemme try to explain

[lucid mauve]

Yea, im not saying not go for it. Im just saying in the long run, you would need to take something bigger or more etc. Not thrive on a small dibble here and there

[normal shuttle]

Hey guys what about this idea to give value to human buildings?

Having a valuable resource in them that is stuff like bottles of kreatine and other mass gainers and gym supplements from irl known brands for product placement and they make dinos stronger

[urban flax]

A baby dibble is a perfect meal for a carno, can fill it up pretty well
But 4 carnos have 4x the hunger drain, but they do not catch more prey, so even if small meals can sustain them correctly for a time, it won't last, even if they are decently filling

[lucid mauve]

Yepp agree

[urban flax]

You never run out of them, do you ?

[normal shuttle]

What?

[urban flax]

dumb ideas

[lucid mauve]

damn this sounds like rust lol : P

[normal shuttle]

Indeed

[lucid mauve]

Its good, but not sure if it would work. Cus i have a feeling clans big groups just gonna camp lol

[urban flax]

How is the idea of adding trademarked drugs that dinos can eat and get anything other than getting poisoned good

[normal shuttle]

Anyways, now I would like to add that the idea of survival being too easy is also favored by the fact that everything we have right now is very easy to maintain

Like for example carno is the small game hunter and can solo boars

Cera is cera

Herra can fish

Everything but deino is easy to grow because they’re small stuff or have some ability to make it easier

And deino is hard mostly because it sucks

Well not really hard, more like artificially difficult and unfun

[limber hull]

theyre adding rats

[normal shuttle]

Finally troodon won’t have to gamble or spawn in south plains

[limber hull]

in fact its being described as "sanctuary for carnivores"

[normal shuttle]

Brother tf you mean good? It is rampant bait like the deino basilisk thing

[white elm]

Rat AI niche

[limber hull]

all this isle balance talk is a distraction from the fact that pachy is still the worst animal in the game

[normal shuttle]

Deino begs to differ

But yeah pachy is so bad

[urban flax]

Deino is worst in design, not in viability

[normal shuttle]

Also why does cera even need fracture resist? 💀

[urban flax]

Deino's viability is fine

[normal shuttle]

True

Other than the early game ofc, that is so bad

And by early I mean 4-5 hours

[limber hull]

its such a shame too because maia is NOW A BETTER BRAWLER THAN PACHY WHAT THE HELL

this is not a cry to nerf maia btw im just saying pachy should uh

be good at something

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1349274264297017396
i would enjoy this a lot more rather than 20 minutes of unplayable darkness

[normal shuttle]

Griefing young animals and carnos

[past crystal]

for real life animals, their blindness could be substituted with sense of smell, touch, etc - in evrima we don't get that privilege, so night can be MUCH more of a pain

[urban flax]

Pachy is a plant-eater
It's good at what it's supposed to do

[past crystal]

pachy's good in a pack, but the one attack it can make shouldn't stun it

it doesn't stun the victim, so why does it stun the pachy?

[normal shuttle]

Pachy is like D tier ngl, but at least it is better than legacy. The bar is in hell though

[past crystal]

hypsi is arguably better than pachy because it excels at what it was made for. pachy does not excel at what it was made for

[limber hull]

pachy suffers all of the same issues as legacy but this time it has fractures and that is the ONLY reason it isnt exactly as bad

[urban flax]

There's something that needs to be mentioned about darkness
The fact Isle is a PvP is a big issue because then there is no brightness setting
And some people have darker monitors than others

Half the time when I see people posting screenshots of night it's like : [Left image, black screen] is too dark ! It should be like this ! [Right image, black screen]

[normal shuttle]

I used to be a gamma exploiter in legacy…

[urban flax]

Shame on you
I'm not surprised

[normal shuttle]

However I stopped doing it

I changed my ways when I switched to evrima

[urban flax]

Your crimes may be of the past
But the shame is eternal

[normal shuttle]

It is

I agree

[white elm]

Man this is a really cool and scary suggestion

[past crystal]

i'll play with some people that can see in the night WAY better than others, just due to their monitors or their monitor settings

[normal shuttle]

Although nowadays I use the surface visibility glitch as deino to spot larger ones from a mile away in water access (the two times I played Deino in gateway)

But you can’t blame me there

Otherwise it would’ve been a gamble

[past crystal]

scarier than total darkness? can't even see if you're well hidden in a bush? yeah, i'd prefer it..

[white elm]

[past crystal]

fair enough. underwater vision is so buggy right now

[normal shuttle]

Otherwise I would have ran into so many crocs in water access as I slowly tried to get elite fish and other crocs. Playing stealthy in a giant swimming pool…

[white elm]

Like genuinely this would be terrifying to play with

[wooden agate]

surface visibility glitch is basically required with how easy it is to do

i promise you most large deinos you see are probably doing the same and that is likely part of the reason

[normal shuttle]

I saw one from a cannibal pair doing that lol

But I just hid in the underwater plants when it got close to the surface

[urban flax]

I wish people could be trusted to adjusting brightness correctly so people like me with darker monitors could enjoy the game at night as anything other than troodon or dilo

I wish people could be trusted with anything tbh

[normal shuttle]

We can play together. Will look after you

We can kos together

[wooden agate]

i feel like if we could trust people not to do anything slightly exploitative and/or a little bit game breaking, the game might lose a lil bit of its charm

like mixpacking

yeah it's gross but there are little moments where i'll just sit next to an omniraptor as a dryo and just exist peaceful little moments between players that probably aren't intended but not expressly hurting others ya know

[covert tiger]

This is true but they also weigh 5x or 15x less than a croc does so the amount of food they get from finding ai lasts them a lot longer.
For example a boar fills up 60-70% of an Omni but gives only 4% to a croc.
The amount of ai needed to sustain even one croc would be insanely high. And you're competing with other crocs.
Half the reason you dont find fish isn't cause the game isn't spawning them, it's cause other crocs have eaten them cause ppl love playing crocs.
And obviously, all those crocs can't survive and thrive. It's nature's own population control.
But as players we don't realize this. It's easier to blame the game instead.

Only small tiers have the luxury of sustaining themselves with ai because unlike a croc, their hunting success rates are low and/or they rely on groups for any meaningful hunting success. Croc has a 100% success rate.

[normal shuttle]

Imagine liking deino

[urban flax]

That isn't exploiting anything
An exploit is when you abuse a game mechanic to get an advantage
If you're just sitting near someone of another species without using that as an advantage to kill other players, it isn't an exploit

[wooden agate]

population control in the wild works a little better because another baby version of them doesn't spawn 10 seconds after they die, only leading to age control rather than proper population control

[normal shuttle]

Literally what happens to cera

[wooden agate]

so true actually

[normal shuttle]

Not only human beings are psychologically wired to have a tendency to support those who look like they belong in the same group and thus ceras end up making packs, but also juveniles just spawn after that and the sheer volume of baby cera bodies just feeds others into hitting subadult or adult with that initial ride

The same will happen if they make rex a cannibal

Please, don’t make rex a cannibal 😭

Devs will be very clueless if they do so

Just turning 50% of the server’s population into an easy diet prey for rex

[wooden agate]

i have not so great news for you

[normal shuttle]

No….

Did they confirm it?

[wooden agate]

about your average confirmation amount that you can get on discord. so no but they said it probably would be. probably.

[normal shuttle]

That is SO CRINGE regardless

Like that doesn’t work that way

In nature cannibalism controls population because babies don’t infinitely respawn and seconds after

[urban flax]

Kissen seems to think cannibalism works the same way in The Isle

But I guess the results will speak for themselves, like they did with carno

[normal shuttle]

What you are achieving by doing so is letting them know that you are hostile and know they will hide from you

Unless you are that cera random i found once, who I killed a whopping 5 times in 20 minutes and he kept going to the same place and 2 calling other ceras (giving away their position) and afterwards just whined in global

smart players

[normal shuttle]

Like they did with carno and cera

And now rex

Now let’s see if they wake up after noticing how rex early game is stupidly easy with the free ride betraying random juveniles

[urban flax]

They never removed cannibalism from cera tho, so there is nothing to compare with
The carno population plummeted when cannibalism was removed from it

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

I am fine with cera being a cannibal with no penalty, but having cera as the apex and also a cannibal resulted in overpopulation

Because it’s so easy to just scavenge the bodies of baby ceras in south plains or betraying pack mates

[urban flax]

Well, seeing as rex can outrun a dryo as a subadult, I doubt any part of rex growth will be that hard tbh

[normal shuttle]

Maybe adult imo

Juvenile and sub look super strong though

55kph 800kg 200-250 bite force juvenile rex

Baby rex slamming carnos is gonna go hard

[urban flax]

Maybe this will make people understand why making The Isle accurate isn't a good idea

[normal shuttle]

Hopefully

[barren crater]

Carno agenda time 🔥

[normal shuttle]

Unless it’s and adult or a group, it’s getting bodied

<1 ton carnos are getting slammed by juvenile rex

[barren crater]

That’s the point if a juvi Rex can be like that then Carno can be even better !

Jokes aside tho, I doubt that stays

[normal shuttle]

I hope not

Or buff the others dunno

[barren crater]

Damage should be closer to Omni

Than Diablo lol

[barren crater]

Let’s not 😭

[normal shuttle]

Imagine a sub rex running up to an adult dibble and pinning it

And being like 40kph

[barren crater]

🤮

[normal shuttle]

Sub rex burning a photo tissue cera’s stam and then walking it down

With that trot speed

Man I’m still thinking

Would something like an omni get truly poisoned if it tried to eat a bottle of kreatine?

[urban flax]

Most likely
More than half of what we eat is toxic to animals, we humans just have extreme resistance to chemical toxins

[normal shuttle]

Interesting

What about just any sort of normal human food instead of a drug then?

[urban flax]

Depends which human food

[normal shuttle]

True

Not something like a chocolate bar

But who knows

[urban flax]

The more transformed it is, the more likely it is to poison an animal eating it

Unless it was made specifically for animals, like dog food

[normal shuttle]

I remember Dondi saying something about human buildings or any sort of facility

Having stuff meant to feed the animals

Like poultry and such for carnivores

[vernal jacinth]

@fathom bramble you just have to switch over to Evrima with properties on Steam page.
Right click Isle
Properties
Betas
And scroll tab select Evrima branch or Horde test if you want to try out the trike

[late plank]

@fathom bramble lol legacy is not supported anymore

[fathom bramble]

yeah i was editing it. I know how it works, figured something was wrong and looked it up, but I'd be curious how many people end up quitting/refunding the game because of the default branch being completely defunct

seems like an incredibly easy change

[normal shuttle]

Sifu downvoting literally all of the suggestions in the channel 😭 😭 😭

Downvoting doesn’t do anything

[latent olive]

the devs are trying to finish the gameplay loop for dinosaurs first

kissen did mention that they have a date in mind for when they finally move evrima over to the main branch and change the steam store page

[vernal jacinth]

It is a bit aggravating but most people come here and ask how to fix it. Many many many people have put in feedback channels for devs to switch it. They just haven’t yet. 😓

[normal shuttle]

Just hope it will come soon

[vernal jacinth]

Same

[fathom bramble]

it's incomprensibly re*arded to me, but yeah I'd imagine for people in the discord you're tired of hearing it lol. incredibly damaging, but also incredibly easy to fix

[vernal jacinth]

That’s what we all practically say 🤣🤣🤣

[fathom bramble]

do you know anything about why stamina is so fried rn and/or if they've said anything about why there isn't a trex (or similar like allo?)

[urban flax]

Stamina is fine how it is, rex and allo are both in the works

[normal shuttle]

Stamina is fine

You are just using it like in legacy most likely

[fathom bramble]

are you playing a modded server or something? stamina is almost certainly not fine

[normal shuttle]

Just don’t waste all of it at once unless you absolutely need to. Stamina is now an actual resource you need to preserve

[normal shuttle]

I play officials and barely modified servers

[urban flax]

It very much is, what's your issue with it ?

[fathom bramble]

I will add a * to my statement in that I've mostly played pteradon, and have my stam nuked if I do anything (Read: take off)

[normal shuttle]

Stamina is perfectly fine, you just have to manage it similarly to Rex in legacy. Now you have to care in the slightest about it

[fathom bramble]

and a second *, in that I can't pick my spawn or respawn my toon

[late plank]

@normal shuttle i like that mate i really forgot about rugops , its concept showing it in a human building is eerie and would fit it

[normal shuttle]

Ptera has the most exigent stamina management since you have to control your altitude and choose where to land for easier take offs, but in all fairness it also covers the most distance and is the fastest. Just don’t play pteranodon like a bird

[urban flax]

As a ptera, you need to fly mostly horizontally in order to not waste all your stam, if you manage it well you can traverse the whole map in one go

[urban flax]

That's because of hotspots issue

[fathom bramble]

yeah you can go far once you've taken off, but you need to repeatedly take off to keep yourself fed

[normal shuttle]

Not really unless you’re small

[urban flax]

You can cling to trees, and taking off from vertical surfaces takes 0 stamina

[fathom bramble]

also as other dinosaurs, is there some way to meet up with your friends if you're on a new dinosaur/server? really not understanding how we're supposed to meet that doesn't involve getting really lucky or taking 30 minutes +

[normal shuttle]

Friend codes are coming next update

[urban flax]

Spawn codes, which allow you to spawn near friends, are in the works too

[fathom bramble]

wasn't that in the game before? or able to pick? I really don't remember it being a problem in 2019

and it's game-ruining rn

[normal shuttle]

And honestly it also depends on the playable. Some playables have two spawns so there’s a 50% chance and you can yeet yourself to reroll

And then there’s some like galli that will get where they need to be in an instant

[urban flax]

Yeah players used to be able to choose where they spawn
But that led to everyone spawning in the same place of the map to get to PvP deathzones sooner and the rest being empty

[normal shuttle]

They took that away

Because as said above, that just created warzones where all players gathered

See spiro center

Now south plains is kind of the same, but at least now you have to grow wherever you spawn as most stuff

[flint flame]

dondi grounded us

[normal shuttle]

Stamina is fine unless you’re new or bad

[flint flame]

we're not allowed to have a good, fun and intuitive stam system, instead we get something that follows along with what looks to be the goal of dondi: make every second in this game agonizing

(we did too much pvp and dondi doesn't like it)

so theres your reason

[indigo gulch]

The one thing I will agree with tho is that not having an indicator is kinda meh

[indigo gulch]

That literally didn’t stop

[urban flax]

Nobody needing to worry about stamina wasn't good, fun and intuitive, it just turns it into a pointless mechanic

[limber hull]

it wasnt the PvP. It was the lack of any and all stakes in a survival game and the ability to treat stamina as a side-thought rather than a meaningful survival resource

[flint flame]

was not the case

[flint flame]

i get they wanna make stam scarce, this universal nerf wasnt needed tho

[limber hull]

i mean, they also gave everything way more stam

[urban flax]

The only thing which remotely cared about its stamina was omni
And even then, any stamina issue could be negated by sitting mid-fight for a few seconds

[limber hull]

so i think it was a fair tradeoff

more stam for slower regen? sure

[flint flame]

carno would like to say hello

[normal shuttle]

What’s even the point of stamina in legacy if you don’t have to care about it? Only rex and trike have to because they have a mechanic vaguely reminiscent to the one we have now. Stamina is meant to be a resource that you have to manage just like food and water, and the new system does that without encroaching traveling that much either considering that gateway is not that big and everything is faster now

[flint flame]

hell yeah i like that but the thresholds? nah

[limber hull]

carno was a unique case of having insanely poor stam in Spiro but also insanely fast stam regen

[limber hull]

im fine with the threshholds. Makes movement states actually matter

[urban flax]

The thresholds would have been better as curves tbh

[flint flame]

until... stego runs outta stam and factanks

[urban flax]

In fact
I should make a feedback about it

[normal shuttle]

You are given a reason to use the slow walk at all lol

[limber hull]

?

[normal shuttle]

Never before I had used it

[limber hull]

it was worse when stego ran out of stam and just died lol

[indigo gulch]

Not being able to see the thresholds is…kinda sucky tho

[limber hull]

no thats fair

[normal shuttle]

UI has got you (most likely)

[flint flame]

when you didnt have the inf swings

[limber hull]

yea, when you just died when u ran out of stam lol

[indigo gulch]

Not if you’re trying to get the hang of it. If my friends didn’t tell me about it I would have never known the curves

[normal shuttle]

1. Skill issue

2. Alt attacks don’t need stamina to be done

[limber hull]

no i mean thats a fair complaint

[normal shuttle]

If a stego runs out of stamina it is entirely on them

[indigo gulch]

Ooh okay misunderstood

[flint flame]

altho you could still win a facetank against a carno it just was dumb

[flint flame]

alt attacks without stam shouldnt exist

[limber hull]

how????

literally if a carno lost to a no-stam stego lmao

[normal shuttle]

Why? If something has wasted its stam it is done anyway

No matter how much they alt attack

Other than stego who light stand a chance but otherwise they’re dead because they cannot take the initiative

[flint flame]

see why i really really hate the thresholds?

[normal shuttle]

They turn into sitting ducks

[normal shuttle]

Why?

[flint flame]

it wouldnt lose but technically you can win the facetank

[flint flame]

because they make the game unnecessarily stale and boring, and when you run out of stam you need a crutch (infinite alt bites) which make the game a tad bit more unbalanced to help you

[limber hull]

its not "a bit more unbalanced" tho? Everyone has equal access to that advantage

[flint flame]

cant tire ppl out anymore

[limber hull]

you literally can

in fact its even more valuable than it was on Spiro

[normal shuttle]

How does adding another layer of skill make things more stale and boring instead of engaging and strategic?

And also, bruh, alt attacks lock you in an animation and often in place. It is not that big of a deal, and its just an attack as you turn in place

[flint flame]

you waste all your stamina and he can still be a great threat

[flint flame]

it's not another layer of skill, it's a dumb thing made for people to play like it's a simulator

[normal shuttle]

Uhm no? They can now get baited and punished for free with their alt attacks

[flint flame]

so that people stop sprinting and they just walk and walk and walk

[limber hull]

i mean

you can waste the entire stamina of a trike or rex and it probably would still be a threat yes

[normal shuttle]

So managing your stamina isn’t a skill that you have to learn?

[limber hull]

on spiro or gateway stam that would be the case

the alt-bite change provides equal opportunity between carnivores and herbivores

[flint flame]

well i guess youre correct

[limber hull]

because most herbis have pathetic bite damage

[flint flame]

nah man the alt bites are very different

a troodon alt bite cant be compared to a cera or a dibble alt bite

[limber hull]

trapping herbivores on a bite only would just be horrible

[normal shuttle]

If something is tired out they cannot disengage, charge at you or use their abilities

And they cannot regen unless they sit down for a while. Tiring someone out is super valuable now that you don’t gain stamina all the time and in a few minutes at most. If you tire a carno or a dilo, it is DONE even if you have half their health and damage.

[flint flame]

well don't waste your stamina

[flint flame]

a carno can beat the crap outta you, a dilo... meh

most it can do is spam bite and spam clones to hopefully murder you after his death

[normal shuttle]

Carno alt bite is super slow

Easiest to bait and punish by far

[urban flax]

Done writing the feedback

[limber hull]

why should herbis be more punished for "wasting stam" than carnivores

[flint flame]

good idea even tho i would speed it up a bit

[urban flax]

Eh, the numbers are just examples

[flint flame]

big difference trotting for 3 minutes and getting stamina back slowly than sitting down

[flint flame]

it's not a matter of the class, it's a matter of the stam that you had and wasted

[normal shuttle]

Honestly if you are below 20% stamina you shouldn’t regen it by walking imo

There should be some critical zone

[urban flax]

But tbh 1% stamina per second is quite high it means (or would mean without decreasing amounts) you can get from 0 to full stamina in 1m40s

[limber hull]

1% per second is genuinely really good

[flint flame]

1% is goated

[limber hull]

i'd honestly make it slower

[normal shuttle]

Its beipi resting but now can move

[urban flax]

they're examples goddammit
Look
I'll edit the feedback okay

[flint flame]

even it up a bit maybe

[limber hull]

also who is this carbonx mf lol

[normal shuttle]

I love this master sifu guy

[flint flame]

the critical zone here would be having extremely slow regen

[normal shuttle]

Automatically downvoting all feedback

After his own was dunked on

[flint flame]

if they took free of cost alt bites away and removed the thresholds, that would be peak of stam management

[normal shuttle]

Because he said people should be disallowed from attacking their own without a 3 call first

😭

Bro is maybe upset

[normal shuttle]

Nah, literal 0. That you better win or you are done

[urban flax]

Ah, the classic "I came to this server only to downvote every single suggestion"
Seen a guy like him on the valheim official server

[normal shuttle]

Read what I just wrote

[flint flame]

wtf

[urban flax]

Downvoting every single suggestion without ever posting a message for like 1 year straight

[normal shuttle]

He didn’t join because of that

He got his own massively downvoted yesterday

[flint flame]

nahhh man what the hell

[normal shuttle]

And I think he’s mad now

[urban flax]

That makes it less cool honestly

I kinda respect someone who joins a server only to downvote others ideas including conflicting ones, without ever giving an argument or posting their own ideas

But that's not it

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

He deleted the feedback too apparently

Last time I checked it was like 3 likes (including own) and like 45 dislikes

Look at this name LMAOOOOOO ^

And I thought that I was salty

Oh boy

He’s so mad a canni trike third partied him

“Realism” players are truly something else. It truly is like they are living in a bubble with their rule barriers and they’re utterly obliterated and their underdeveloped game sense and suspicion of other players just cannot take an environment with kos herbis and mixpacks

Everyone should play however they want

But man is it funny to see this Victorian child immune system thing at play

[junior nymph]

guys

can pachy break a leg of a full adult stego

[urban flax]

After many hits, yes

[junior nymph]

ahhh

[normal shuttle]

No

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @feral lagoon that's great dude, but unlike stego that got a massive improvement in preparation for rex, troodon (whose playrate is already abysmall) got absolutely murdered. We don't even know how long that preparation is gonna be. Leaving it in the gutter for that long because of ''preparation'' that might be months away, is just awful so explanation or not, the complaints are valid

[woeful latch]

i agree, they should only nerf troodon when the buff that will compensate the nerf is ready, not months before

we got a mechanic that may or may not come soon, maybe they will not implement it at all, but for some reason they decided to nerf troodon now.

[indigo gulch]

kick it while it's down fr fr T_T

[elfin swift]

Hello i am new here can somebody tell me how to cennect on oficial server please? I just installed the game and no servers showed up

[indigo gulch]

yeah but while I get that complaining is annoying (I play League lmao), this is the best way to be heard so :/

[indigo gulch]

did you install the game directly?

[elfin swift]

i installed it on steam

[indigo gulch]

that tells me enough okay

[mortal elbow]

please ban the cheat websites there is many websites that offer cheats for this game and make money from ur game please put an end to these rats

[indigo gulch]

So currently the game is undergoing a permanent beta called evrima. It's the only place where development is active. There are no official servers on the version you downloaded

[fair jetty]

<@&933486433342222376> #general-feedback message

[elfin swift]

so what do i do?

[indigo gulch]

so what you do, you go to steam, right click the game, click properties, click beta's and then select install Evrima

that is the current version of the game that is being worked on and that will have official servers

[indigo gulch]

BRO THE SCAM LINK ISNT EVEN SPELLING STEAM CORRECTLY BRO T_T

[elfin swift]

like this? i dont want to mess this up mate

[fair jetty]

Yep, that'll get you to the branch of the game in active development, if you were to select hordetesting in that same dropdown menu it would take you to the testing branch of the game where updates are tested before they get released to Evrima

[elfin swift]

thanks to both of you ❤️

[fair jetty]

Np, have fun!

[elfin swift]

You are my heroes

[indigo gulch]

no problem! Sorry, I was tagging the mods for the scam

[gritty heart]

This is like smashing a window months before you put in a new one.

[indigo gulch]

or better yet, selling your house before you have a new place to live

@gusty flax link this to it to add as credibility. At least this guy decided to come ask for help, I can guarantee not everyone has the patience or is interested in doing so and will just refund the game

[indigo gulch]

^that one

[gusty flax]

Huh

What was the reason

[elfin swift]

emh, sorry to ask you again but i need to download easy anti cheat ?

[split saddle]

nah if i was "competing with other crocs" I would have a food source, as i would eat other crocs. The issue when ai isn't spawning, is when the croc is entirely solo in the area, if other crocs are there the ai would be. This is when they need ai the most. If I can hear a croc swim, I would hunt them. They're my fav prey. I logged back in this morning, pond was empty. Went to south for another hour, scavanged tiny omni bodies that were less than one elite fish. But there was no one else around (verified with my replays). Only pts and herrera in the area, and not a single croc up or down the river. But hey, I got to eat some schooling fish that are literally 0.5% food, so i could keep my food from being red literally all the time. Especially in a place like delta or swamp where its super easy to just tuck away in a bush, even staying within the water to do so. When i spent 2hr in a tiny pond that usually has fish in it, I would know if the fish are spawning or not. I can see the entirety of the water source. The fact no other dino has the issue of starvation like this (food sources don't spawn) is an issue. Like I said in my previous comment I've also starved to death unable to find ai or players in swamp 2x, water access, and in delta. This is a video game, starving to death after waiting 2hr for a player to appear is NOT enjoyable, and one of my biggest issues with crocs since gateway came out. There are WAYYYY to many safe drinking spots across the map, that players literally don't need to ever drink in an area where a croc could get them. For example, pools of water in swamp that are too shallow for a 20% croc to swim in. The safe drinking spot in south, is literally fullproof if the land dino knows how to play it properly. That I've tested on admin servers with friends on different dinos, they always escape. Only if there are 2 crocs there, and they get lucky can they secure that kill. But even if they caught a fg dibble, it wouldnt even fill the stomach of 2.

[gusty flax]

Yes

[indigo gulch]

ye

[desert arch]

😔💔

[indigo gulch]

pfffffff........

[elfin swift]

and it on chrome or ?

[woeful latch]

basically lmaoo

[elfin swift]

i am so sorry i feel like idiot 😄

[woeful latch]

this is so painful to look at

[indigo gulch]

nah no worries, if you're not used to it it's normal not to know

[woeful latch]

can’t believe the made troodon 1.8t

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[indigo gulch]

hm check the installation folder of the game. There should be an easyanticheat_setup.exe . If that doesn't work, verify the files of the game and restart the game. It should try to reinstall

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

13km/h compy killing machine

[desert arch]

Fun fact, a juvi troodon cant kill a compy even with a full stam pin

[indigo gulch]

LMAO WHAT.

[woeful latch]

LMAOOO

[desert arch]

Wish I was joking

Juvi troodon literally doesnt do damage

[indigo gulch]

That's too strong tbh.

needs to do 0 damage to anything.

[woeful latch]

it needs to do negative damage

[elfin swift]

thanks now it works. Dude you are awesome person thank you very much

[indigo gulch]

no problem at all 👍

hope you enjoy the game! It has a bit of a learning curve, but fun if you get used to it

[gritty heart]

Healer support

It’s actually injects stims, not venom

[hidden crow]

Question, now that actual apexes are slowly coming to Evrima, do you think devs might upsize Carno a little? (I heard that it's size is kinda under what it should be in Evrima)
Just something that was stuck in my head lately

[indigo gulch]

doubt it. They lowered it pretty recently, knowing rex and trike were coming

[hidden crow]

Aw, thancc anyway

Smol Carno army

[split saddle]

yeah they were 1800kg a few months ago, but they made them smaller (i honestly enjoyed carno the way it was before, before the spam rams came back)

i could harrass some ceras solo, and then escape with my life even if they tried to track

but like, actually damage the ceras in the process

[hidden crow]

Yeah, there's been a big uptick of Cera infestation lately, it's kinda annoying ngl

[indigo gulch]

lately? I havent seen anything BUT cera for months :/

[hidden crow]

I feel like it's even worse now, but you might be right actually
The whole year felt like nothing to me so I might just have bad time perception ಥ_ಥ

[split saddle]

im still shocked gateways been out for like almost 2yr or something

[hidden crow]

Yeah 😭

[split saddle]

feels like just yesterday i was a carno with carno on my diet

[hidden crow]

Oh yea I was wondering that too! (cannibalistic species)

I don't play Carno so I don't know

[split saddle]

theyre not cani anymore, and as far as im aware the canni mutation is still broken

[hidden crow]

Aaa, makes sense

I usually play small, fast creatures (rip Troodon for now), Carno feels too big for me if that makes sense

[split saddle]

ahh ive got a couple friends like that, especially with the one shot hackers running around. im the opposite i wanna be big. im currently a dib XD

was a big steg player before the power swing (boycot in protest)

[indigo gulch]

<@&933486433342222376> another hacked 😦

[split saddle]

i feel like this isnt allowed <@&933486433342222376>

[pliant elm]

Cera is easy to grow, easy to get diet, is naturally strong but is even stronger because he is the only one who has his rmb ability affected by damage mutations. With the carno nerf, Which was previously one of the only ones that could deal with the ceratos, the servers are full of these "pests" now

[indigo gulch]

it isnt, they got hacked

[woeful latch]

yeah….

[hidden crow]

Yea it sucks, Omni is kinda in the middle for me, still on the "chonkier" side for me tho, excited fr austro (◍•ᴗ•◍)

[woeful latch]

well at one point dilos showed up ahah

[thick summit]

people keep clicking on the links

[indigo gulch]

yeah despite that those look very fake

[thick summit]

indeed

[desert arch]

Cera on top since october last year 🗣️

[woeful latch]

kill them

[indigo gulch]

yet someone says it's weak

[desert arch]

It clearly needed that 90% bleed resistance buff

[thick summit]

I love Ceratosaurus

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sopyues-beuwbs-crying-listening-to-music-sobbing-gif-21780641

[thick summit]

But I HATE when animals I love become META playables

I'd rather play a cerato that's as bad as in legacy than playing a broken META carnivore

[split saddle]

lets not forget cera has a body buff on bodies that havent been dragged (so move your corpses if you think a cera is gonna try to take it!)

[pliant elm]

Troodon is new meta, is so op

[woeful latch]

real

[pliant elm]

Nerf troodon damage

[thick summit]

nerf troodon

[woeful latch]

troodon

[pliant elm]

Troo

[woeful latch]

don..

[thick summit]

Cerato player don't want the food

they want you dead because yk..murder = fun

[hidden crow]

Ceras are bullies

[woeful latch]

i mean, this is not far from the truth

[thick summit]

OMG NO

I AM SUCH AN IDIOT

I FORGOT TO GRAB A MUTATION

[woeful latch]

when i asked what can be worse than cera? dondi said to me:

“i will create a playable that will one shot things teno size with one bite during night and i will call that “balanced””

-# this is not a real quote dont mod me

[thick summit]

and I got my second mutation like 2 seconds ago

[woeful latch]

watch them mod me🥹😭

[hidden crow]

STAHP 😭🖐

[thick summit]

😭

[woeful latch]

noo i really wanted to snipe you

why would you hide the server and location?!😭

[thick summit]

HMMMM

[hidden crow]

Gee I wonder

[woeful latch]

let us find you

[thick summit]

the isle has a very nice community

[woeful latch]

AHAHAHAHAHAAH

[hidden crow]

Another topic: Do you think Omnis should have a sound/design rework to be less JP-like?
Because I really like what they did with Dilo (if I see a frilled Dilo in one more game I swear-)
And I get that the bark is ✨iconic✨, but I wonder what would it be like if that didn't exist y'know?

[woeful latch]

no idea, but i love omni calls

they will probably add feathered utah at some point and that one will get some unique calls

[hidden crow]

Damn I hope so, because the only thing I don't like about the barks really is that they're not original, that's it T^T

[desert arch]

Is that... dilo...

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[thick summit]

how do you know

also, this is the live branch

I just like Dilophosaurus. Leave me alone

[desert arch]

My friends call me "The Isle bible"

[indigo gulch]

yeah we do 😛

[hidden crow]

You go his "tism" Tinglin'

[thick summit]

lmao

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

Troodon better, embrace the true night terror

[thick summit]

not after the nerf

[desert arch]

3* nerfs

[thick summit]

I really want to love troodon...I wanna play it...but...I can't

[hidden crow]

No need to rub it in man 😭

[desert arch]

Wait no actually 4 now lmao

Beyond troover💔

[woeful latch]

4?

[desert arch]

2 separate damage nerfs, juvi speed nerf and turn radious/drift

[woeful latch]

it’s just damage and speed, right?!… right?

[woeful latch]

oh god, so the second nerf wasn’t a lie

no way it does 80 damage😭😭😭

[hidden crow]

Ffffff

[thick summit]

Dilophosaurus

[desert arch]

Yeah feels like it, but I may just be losing it and its a placebo

[woeful latch]

did they give it anything in return???

[thick summit]

I shall play you again

[desert arch]

Havent noticed anything lmao

[indigo gulch]

wait did you die?

[woeful latch]

like at least maybe it grows faster?

[hidden crow]

It grows fast, but dies even faster lmao

[woeful latch]

i think what they did with troodon should be considered as a war crime

[desert arch]

Took me nearly an hour to grow on 100% boost, so its the same likely

[woeful latch]

oh i see

[desert arch]

I spawned south plains on my second try after suiciding at NE, by the time I got to the beach for tacos I was already starving

[hidden crow]

Why are we still here?
Just to suffer?

[desert arch]

Mind you, there was nothing at sp I could eat, I never stopped, I just ran full speed and still nearly starved to death before I found a crab that saved me

Growing a troodon solo is genuinely a bigger flex now than a deino lmfao

[hidden crow]

Yeah and good luck finding other Troos anywhere else on the map

I used to play solo troodon... But then I took an arrow to the knee

[thick summit]

<@&933486433342222376>

[desert arch]

I dont like grouping with randoms, I only play troodon with friends

[woeful latch]

lmao i guess

[thick summit]

why do people keep clicking on those links

[limber hull]

so many gifts tonight

feeling so blessed 🙏

[desert arch]

Randoms are more of a hinderance than help 99% of the time

[woeful latch]

yesss

[woeful latch]

i agree with that sentence

[hidden crow]

I don't have friends that play the Isle 🥲

[thick summit]

I'll click the link for an actual steam gift card

[urban flax]

I'm 150$ richer than I was this morning thanks to them

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-isle-squid-game-gif-23432336

[thick summit]

nvm it's gone

[desert arch]

Bro literally inspired this gif 😭

[urban flax]

Wait why did my bank just send me a message telling me I'm broke ?

[hidden crow]

Man 😭

[desert arch]

🥔 ❤️

[thick summit]

I found a chewing toy

[split saddle]

but they can still use the food to their advantage, even if they have no plans on consuming it

[thick summit]

if you drag the corpse you're dead though 😭

[split saddle]

if i dont plan on abandoning a corpse, ill try to move it after i kill it. just a little bit, if im worried about ceras

bigger the corpse, the bigger the buff tho. if its a fg stego do not stand on that corpse

[thick summit]

I am aware

[indigo gulch]

did you try norden yet diablo?

[thick summit]

but unless you're an Allosaurus or larger you should just give your food up

you meal isn't worth your growth time. Trying to mess with ceras as a similar sized or smaller creature will end badly

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[indigo gulch]

?

[thick summit]

nah, I don't wanna have purple omnis chasing a blue carno after they killed the carno's pink friend

[indigo gulch]

didn't you want custom skins tho?

[woeful latch]

i have norden ptsd

[thick summit]

rules and stuff are nice but I hate bright skins

I like my realistic and natural skins

[thick summit]

I didn't

[woeful latch]

it’s dm server, you just fight

do skins even matter in that case

[thick summit]

not norden free admin

Norden Survival

[woeful latch]

oh that one

yeah, i’d rather play on the server with no bright pink dinosaurs

[thick summit]

I play on islander

it's a good server but AI can be pretty scarce

[ancient kestrel]

Well legacy is actually playable - just no official server. I surprised that you didn't realize to touch swithch button to community ones

[split saddle]

<@&505047238674874368> esp cera na4 (meant to put this in na chat, but they can see it here too. i just dont wanna double ping them)

[ancient kestrel]

With all fairness new stamina system is kinda opressive on troo and omni since they burn out through it very quick in order to deal any meaningful damage. And to effectively manage stam in fight you need 3 pack members at minimu to not turn your gameplay in sitting simulator

Hence why stick to suggestion made by Nickboa that pounce should require charge bars instead of stamina to be more viable and balanced mechanic at the same time

[urban flax]

Yeah
The stamina system isn't well adapted for abilities that rely on a massive stam drain for balance

[ancient kestrel]

It kinda OK for stego since it delivers a lot of damage to compensate while pounce is more mid in terms of effect and have a lot of counters

[urban flax]

What
Pounce delivers massive damage

Not troodon pounce

[lyric pollen]

depends

[ancient kestrel]

Not in comparison to lost stamina in process

[lyric pollen]

there are two types of randoms

Those who are too scared to even go near anything and end up just eating all of your food while doing 0 work in fights

Those who throw themselves at death at any given moment

[lucid mauve]

3 omnis is alot of dmg if you drain half the stam lol

[desert arch]

I was in a group of random omnis yesterday, they were 5fgs and I was barely a sub. We got attacked by a single carno who had automatic alt attack on, only I survived.

[urban flax]

But it also has other perks going for it, like making omni impossible to attack during it, the ability to pin, draining the target's stam, grappling

[lyric pollen]

😭

[lucid mauve]

You can bite stuff with omni aswell, dont need to pounce

[desert arch]

Most people in this game just have terminal skill issues

[lyric pollen]

did u kill the carno?

[woeful latch]

LMAOOO

[desert arch]

they all facetanked it so it ended up being kinda low, one full stam bleed pounce finished it

I won, but at what cost...

[lyric pollen]

nice

[gritty heart]

That makes sense given playing the isle is often less useful for improving than just googling mechanics

[lyric pollen]

more food for yourself

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah. For some reason most community servers have weird issues with AI spawns despite telling that their AI spawn rates increased in comparison to base

I also noticed that tacos, chickens and rabbits are very rare on community ones

Me digging taco burrows for 10th time in the row and getting nothing:

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[urban flax]

It's more like Tantalus's torment

[ancient kestrel]

No. Tantalus torment it is when you see body but can't eat this because it was dragged by taco and bugged out

Idk why they made psittako carry bodies - doesn't feel like necessary mechanic for gameplay when birds and compies exists

[urban flax]

Their goals are beyond your understanding

[ancient kestrel]

I would say beyond anyones understanding

[gritty heart]

I’ve literally never seen a rabbit on officials

[ancient kestrel]

Well I have seen them often on HT before AI spawns got broken by trike update

[gritty heart]

I also haven’t seen a taco in ages (maybe it’s because I don’t play much on Tuesdays)

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imma be honest i think sucho's biteforce should be lower than 350

[gritty heart]

I played a tiny bit of the ht, but tbh I’m not that interested in its contents

[limber hull]

i'd say... 200-250

[urban flax]

Stop being so honest

[limber hull]

no

[ancient kestrel]

Eh. 350 sound about right. Remember that Evrima don't have damage scaling dependence on mass

Sucho will be around 5 tons so 300-350 would be optimal

[lucid mauve]

Why you want it so low ?

[limber hull]

im very aware of that

[limber hull]

because it's a sucho. it should be reliant on its powerful claws, not its much weaker jaw

[thick summit]

yeah

[limber hull]

i think 350 is too high for a sucho, personally. i would focus the damage into the claws

[lucid mauve]

yea if it has claws to make up for it might be fine

[thick summit]

300-350 dmg on the claws would be great

the jaws should do like 200

[limber hull]

i like the idea of a carnivore that isn't just a bite spammer

[lucid mauve]

Nah, a omni facetanking a sucho should def die

[limber hull]

ya

[thick summit]

sucho has around 5k health

[gritty heart]

It would lose to claws or jaw xd

Omni face tank even loses to dilo

[thick summit]

Suchomimus is massive

Omni is NOT gonna facetank it

[lucid mauve]

dilo is not sucho, if your that dumb facetanking something that big you should die

[thick summit]

I doubt Allo or cera will facetank it either

[lucid mauve]

Hope sucho is very good at defending, not at killing/hunting etc

[limber hull]

i hope so too

[urban flax]

just like cera

[thick summit]

Acro vs Sucho is gonna be interesting

[lucid mauve]

dead sucho

[thick summit]

I wouldn't be surprised if sucho could take on two allos in the shallow water

[lucid mauve]

If you look at the drawings or how they see acro as, its a dead sucho atleast lol

[thick summit]

I mean Acro and sucho are very close in size in the size chart

That doesn't guarantee Acro will be the exact same size

Because rex and dibble were smaller in the size chart but are larger in the actual game

[lucid mauve]

Didnt even acro go up vs trike in one of the drawings

like killed it

[thick summit]

but IF they're equal in size it's gonna be interesting

[thick summit]

it's a concept art

[urban flax]

cama

[thick summit]

to show Acro's ability to punch up

[urban flax]

Acro kills a camara in its concept art

[limber hull]

and a trike

[thick summit]

My guess is that Acro will be a skill reliant carnivore that can punch up if you are skilled enough

[urban flax]

idk what is the most ridiculous tbh
Killing a 20ton+ sauropod alone
Or killing a trike by grabbing its neck
A trike
By grabbing its neck

[limber hull]

yea

awesomesauce carnivore

[limber hull]

it grabs and chokes brother

idk how skill-reliant that is

[urban flax]

Acro is too big to be punching up

Biggest punch-up animal imo should be alberto

[thick summit]

I think it depends on how large they're gonna make Acro

[thick summit]

I mean Alberto's concept art didn't really show too much

[urban flax]

It showed basically nothing

[limber hull]

yea and its agreed on to be like, the worst concept art lol

[urban flax]

But I really want alberto to be interesting

[thick summit]

same

[limber hull]

no one likes alberto's concept art besides those alberto superfans huffing copium

[urban flax]

I'm an alberto superfan and I hate its concept art because it's so empty

[thick summit]

I mean a medium sized tyrannosaur that hunts in packs would be interesting

[urban flax]

I wish alberto was like, a sweaty crazy brawling dino
Hold on

[lucid mauve]

Alberto should def be more for solo duo. Allo is pack. I hope

[gritty heart]

Allo is the lion

So you get 1-2 males and 300 females and form a pride

[urban flax]

Alberto :
3.2 tons
Very high sprint speed, with mediocre acceleration and turning that gets worse as speed increases
LMB - Powerful bite
The bite can be charged a bit like cera, which barely increases damage, but adds a lunge to it. An actual lunge that covers distance.
RMB - Dodge
Yeah, a dodge. Not a jump, more like a step back which allows to avoid some attacks
Terrible stamina economy (both lunge and dodge cost stam) but good stamina regen

Also bad sprinting stamina

[lucid mauve]

Crazy server that would be : P

[thick summit]

allo should hunt in duos

Rarely in trios

[gritty heart]

Unironically duos works best because it’s basically like parents, and then you can throw in their own young as aid when the young are moderately aged

[urban flax]

So basically alberto gameplay is all about mashing your keyboard and using perfect timings to kill pretty much anything less skilled than you
But if you mess up you run out of stam and you die

Maybe it could even use a "perfect bite" system lol
Where if you release the charge at the exact right moment it deals more damage, or has less endlag

Idk maybe I played too much Monster Hunter lately

[lucid mauve]

Yea maybe, but i know kissen said alberto fights will be very quick. Im guessing you either get a kill fast or you loose/no food. And it also looks from the drawing, that it will scare its young ones away when they start getting slightly big. Maybe cus food drain is high ?

Ofc its only concept, all can change

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message too fast, it needs to be slower than dibble for balance. It also doesnt make sense for a semiaquatic to be this fast

[gritty heart]

Dw bb trike’s current growth already invalidated the dibby parties

[woeful latch]

it’s 30km/h at max with terrible turn, it didn’t invalidate the dibble, dw

[midnight heath]

My main concern is if you lower it's number Sucho's biteforce and put it all into claws, it'll be a lot more like Bary. It was such a powerhouse in Legacy and I can't really imagine it chasing anything down so might as well let it defend itself. I don't want bite spam either but I was worried about the claws being too alike to Bary.

If the claws got a higher attack than the bite, I wouldn't mind that however, the numbers were mostly me spitballing.

I understand too, with it being semi-aquatic that it can always leave to the water if need be but Sucho was slow and I assume it'll be in Evrima as well; along with it being already more of a wader-er in concept I can't see fleeing being an option the vast majority of the time.

[foggy field]

Jugding by how trike is similar to dibble, iam starting to think alberto will super similar to sub rex

[midnight heath]

Permanent sub rex does seem to be what most people are thinking, doesn't help with how little we've seen of Alberto.

[thick summit]

yeah

[foggy field]

Perma sub rex with some diferent stats

Maybe faster but with less stam

[midnight heath]

I really love Albert's model too, I really hope it's not super lackluster when the time comes.

[thick summit]

I hate how Apexes feel like superior animals compared to their smaller counterparts

Trike is literally dibble but stronger. It has the same attacks, abilities, etc.

Trike should be very different

[foggy field]

For sure, its show taking down trikes and even sauropods

[midnight heath]

I don't want to be too hasty on Trike since it's not done, but as someone who was very excited for it, I am pretty let down.

Rex just seems like it got a lot more love than Trike

Which is sad given they're both the iconic dinosaurs

[foggy field]

Trike is more damage and tank focused, dibbles is more agility

[urban flax]

It's your fault for being a herbivore fan

[thick summit]

yeah but that barely sets trike and dibble apart

[gritty heart]

That’s what you get for touching grass (with your stomach).

[thick summit]

Trike is dibble but larger and stronger

[foggy field]

True

[midnight heath]

"BuT tHe hErbIvOre bIaS!!!"

[foggy field]

But tbh i dont got any clue on how to make them that much diferent

They are similar animals

So some overlap is expected

[lucid mauve]

Same, but maybe we get lucky. #isle-discussion message

[gritty heart]

I mean a lot of herbivores tend to be quite strong. Just not that interesting. (Probably partly because people don’t play the weaker herbis anyways)

[midnight heath]

Does Trike have a stomp? I've heard mixed bits here and there.

[desert arch]

No, its 1:1 dibble's kit

[thick summit]

overlaps are fine

[midnight heath]

The vast majority of the time, herbivores I think should be punching down; it makes decent sense.

Rex however without a doubt had more love put into than Trike.

[thick summit]

but they've the same kit

[midnight heath]

I thought so, I heard people saying it gets a stomp at "insert %" but never saw it so I was doubtful

And Kissen said that the stomp was too slow for Evrima more than likely

[thick summit]

It feels like "yk what? Screw it! Just make trike bigger than dibble and call it a day"

[midnight heath]

Meanwhile Rex gets a murder sprint, a crush, throw, a pin and 2 broadcast calls supposedly.

[foggy field]

Unless ther sparing is super diferent yeah so far there is a lot of overlap

[thick summit]

and it plays like an entirely different animal during its growth

[woeful latch]

it’s absolutely not

[thick summit]

it literally is

It can flip stuff

[foggy field]

No its removed

[woeful latch]

trike is slower, doesn’t have a good drift, it’s turn is bad

[midnight heath]

I miss when Pachy wasn't maybe scrapped

[midnight heath]

[thick summit]

why does trike flip stuff? It should impale them

[foggy field]

Dibble is like a APC trike is a MBT

[woeful latch]

because it’s WIP

it doesn’t even have a spar

[foggy field]

Also trike should deal more bleed

[lucid mauve]

Yea

[woeful latch]

it does a lot of bleed tho

like a lot more than dibble does

[thick summit]

I hope it'll get a better kit which I doubt

[foggy field]

I dont like how dibble running at full speed deals LESS DAMAGE them just a quick TAP with its horns, but maybe thats given since dibble is fast, trike charge deals the same amount of damage them its Basic headbut

[thick summit]

I hate that both animals have the exact same kit

I want both of them to be unique because I like both animals

[midnight heath]

I think stun-locking with a lot of the playables needs peeked at

Back to back stun-locking for anything is not super fun

[foggy field]

Makes sense given the larger horns

[midnight heath]

I do wonder how Para will vary as opposed to just big Maia. It's fast, it had a stomp in Legacy and weird arm flailing.

[thick summit]

Para has some kind of sound blast to stun predators

[foggy field]

It has a stun blast

[woeful latch]

yes, it’s a bleeder

[gritty heart]

It will look cooler

[thick summit]

that's unique and interesting

[midnight heath]

That would be neat if it comes out from the concept and isn't just scrapped

[foggy field]

But rest of its kit looks a lot like maia

[thick summit]

trike and dibble are way too similar

[midnight heath]

No, no

You're right

[foggy field]

Run more, fight less

Shant looks more combat focused

[woeful latch]

there’s no way to make the kit different, i mean they can make it so trike impales and dibble flips, that’s basically it

[midnight heath]

Pachyrhino I think could have been a far more interesting ceratopsian

[foggy field]

Yeah fractures

I hope they still implement him

[midnight heath]

I hope they keep Shant's stomp 1-tapping rexes, if they stop to facetank under it - it should happen.

[foggy field]

For sure

[woeful latch]

dibble has superior agility, speed, drift, easier to sustain. you never choose a trike over dibble or dibble over trike

[thick summit]

yes

[woeful latch]

they’re different

[midnight heath]

It'd be neat, whilst fractures are rough it's pretty niche in game already.

[foggy field]

Dibble also has better CC since its faster and more agile

[thick summit]

If trike couldn't flip stuff like dibble it'd be already unique enough

[midnight heath]

It's like wondering how Anky will be in game, I can't imagine it even being food for 90% of the roster

[thick summit]

yet they have the same kit

[woeful latch]

imo juvie-sub trike should absolutely flip things, it doesn’t have the horns to impale

[thick summit]

that'd make sense

[woeful latch]

but when it gets closer to and adult it should just impale

[woeful latch]

i mean, there’s literally no way to make kit different, they’re almost the same animals, just different size

[midnight heath]

The bite is odd on Trike, if an adult has knocked the majority of things down - I'd just assume they'd die unless they're an apex.

[thick summit]

if its heavy attack would deal tonnes of damage and bleed and stun its attack and lock the trike in place it'd already be enough

[woeful latch]

imo dibble playstyle is unique enough

[thick summit]

I think you don't quite understand my point

It's not really about dibble

I'll still play dibble and dibble can survive without having to worry about trikes at all

I am just afraid evrima becomes like legacy

[woeful latch]

wdym by that?

[thick summit]

Legacy was an apex infested game. Smaller animals were forced to live in the shadows of their larger counterparts

they didn't stand out at all

Evrima did fix this until trike dropped

[alpine oasis]

@midnight heath love it.

[foggy field]

The cc on trike does help him a lot in dealing with rexes

[woeful latch]

legacy also didn’t have any unique playstyles, it’s not the same

[thick summit]

I am afraid dibble, kentro and alberto are just useless and overshadowed by rex, trike and stego

[lucid mauve]

I had zero problem with apexes in legacy, easy kills with dilos/omnis etc. Only prob was giga trots

[woeful latch]

not to mention surviving as trike or rex will be a nightmare

[woeful latch]

not at all

[thick summit]

Kentro is probably the worst example because well

[woeful latch]

it’s gonna be a deino situation where people try a big thing and then realize it’s not so easy to grow

[thick summit]

I just hope they'll change trike's growth curve

[woeful latch]

who wants to be 20km/h potato when you can be 36km/h agile and fast potato

[thick summit]

It's about standing out

[foggy field]

even at the same size, trike is much slower but deals more damage no?

[woeful latch]

no need to, allos and rexes will destroy sub trikes

[woeful latch]

yes

[lucid mauve]

For what legacy had and could do , they did. Its not much more you could give them in legacy

[woeful latch]

trike is 30km/h at most

[foggy field]

trike does have a nice trot

[thick summit]

who wants to grow a potato for 3 hours if you could grow a potato for the fraction of the other potato's growth time BUT you grow even stronger and larger

[woeful latch]

which is awful speed if you live in a world full of rexes and allos

not to mention other carnivores

[woeful latch]

yeah and be slow and clunky

[foggy field]

tbh i agree trike and rex grow time should be longer

[thick summit]

long growth times will result in bush camping

[lucid mauve]

Sounds like me in legacy, i grew cera to full juvi and stopped. Liked it better then fully grown

[thick summit]

the growth of apexes should be harsh and difficult

[woeful latch]

it will be dw

[thick summit]

well, trike didn't fully release yet

[mystic aurora]

wen rex all we get is fat herbs

[lucid mauve]

Well then they need to make the ones we have now hard to grow first, if you make them hard to grow compared to now. Its easy

[foggy field]

i can see 6 dibbles taking a rex down

[thick summit]

4 dibbles are enough

They just have to be coordinated

[lucid mauve]

lol 4 dibbles, thats free food for rex i hope.

[mystic aurora]

prob not herbs are broken af

[thick summit]

I doubt that

Unless the rex mud camps it is dead

[lucid mauve]

We are more so we win, easy

[thick summit]

4 coordinated dibbles is overkill

[mystic aurora]

devs are clearly herb pro since we get 3 herb in row when we need big carni for ages

[lucid mauve]

Yea, for rex

[thick summit]

...

[foggy field]

Rex and allo are coming

[foggy field]

yeah can be done with four, but 6 is more certain death for rex since most of the time not all members of the herd have the same skill level

[pliant elm]

<@&401466542140817419> <@&505047238674874368> #general-feedback message

[dawn hound]

what was there?

[pliant elm]

A person had their account hacked and sent a link that when clicked, your account was also hacked

[dawn hound]

oh i get it

[pliant elm]

Never click on links like "50$ free steam gift card"

[finite robin]

Does anyone know the devs plans on expanding the mutation system? I have some feedback in that regard but don't know the future plans.

[dense meteor]

look at what they did

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-slow-day-gif-17869747439397645052

[foggy field]

LOL thats sad

[dense meteor]

i dont know why they gotta do my boy like that

night terror more like just walk away they wont even be able to catch up lmao

[desert arch]

Just one of the 4 nerfs it got recently💔

[dense meteor]

i dont get it troodon is barely played as it is this just deters players from even trying to play troodon

[sly haven]

growing a apex for 6-8 hours is already tedious enough for those of us who dont have free time 24/7, I would much rather prefer they actually BALANCE full grown apexes so they arent just better versions of smaller dinos

[foggy field]

its way to fast to grow a trike at the moment

[sly haven]

so then they can change the growth curve

a 25% Trike shouldnt be able to easily kill a cera

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

thanks for presenting the best reason for hypsi not to be able to do that xd

We do not need rex getting a blindness turret xd

Maybe on something large and flat (and slow+defensive) like anky I could see it (and generally just letting tiny jumpers get on it).

[modest dock]

Rly i hope they won't do the same mistake with rex. But i was thinking about something recently , isn't that made on purpose for the ht so more people try fg trikes so they can collect more data ? Idk, i hope so

[hidden mist]

I need a lobotomy after seeing this sharp pixelated grass moving too close to my eyes. Also Troo didn’t deserve that…

[modest dock]

Lol i stopped to read that feedback after seeing " i want to mixpack" like dude snt it already killing the game rn ☠️

[modest dock]

Troodon should be one of the easiest playable to grow fr

[pliant elm]

should. Troodon dying with 1 hit from anything is more than enough reason for the devs to just buff him and remove all those nerfs

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message it’s honestly the same with other models in game, like teno looks modified

but yeah i would love trikes head to be a little bit wider, but not because “realism” i just prefer it that way

[boreal thorn]

@opaque inlet they arent dinos

official admin confirmed or something for lore

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
That's new
Posting a google search instead of feedback now

[woeful latch]

well thank you wikipedia

[opaque inlet]

I mean... Aren't they at least supposed to look like them, though?

[woeful latch]

i actually giggled reading that

[modest dock]

Sad cause troodon is one one my favorites playables currently in the roster, even if i never had the opportunity yet to play it the right way with a large group i just love the design and its such a shame its in a bad spot rn

[boreal thorn]

yes but genetics are unstable

making a sheep clone is already really hard

[modest dock]

I know its for lore purpose but that argument is bad tbh, the game is still advertising itself as a "dinosaur game" so sure its not supposed to be entirely accurate dinosaurs and more like jurassic park-iesque genetic creations but they are still recognized as "dinosaurs" to the public

[dawn hound]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwJTltU0N7Z1tQaY3ETbY9Hg65eEOcnBg?si=pwGJ2weSCoh6MxY1

gg

[modest dock]

btw they are still designed and named after real dinosaurs species, they won't add a spinosaurid looking like creature and name it "tarbosaurus bataar" . There should be some accuracy given into the models thats the very bare minimum. Speaking of model the triceratops currently in ht is weird looking, head position is too high and is smaller compared to old models that used to look better than what we got here, and i don't talk about the weird animations...

[thick summit]

<@&933486433342222376>

[woeful latch]

oh not again

[young arch]

its in other one as well

[barren zephyr]

where hordetest server ?

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message As the hordetest patchnotes said, its a "work in progress" trike, meaning it's not finished

[modest dock]

which is why people give their feedback about it so the needed fixes can be applied

[unreal ridge]

saying it feels unfinished to an unfinished thing is feedback, but not really helpful

usually you say, its too fast in the water, too slow alt attacks, etc

[golden horizon]

What was the feedback tho ?

[unreal ridge]

trike is way too fast in the water btw

[modest dock]

I agree with that btw

[white elm]

it is

[unreal ridge]

with hydrodynamic it can beat a deino swimming on the surface

which is kinda broken

tub of lard vs aquatic death machine

[modest dock]

there is no point of only saying "unfinished" but its good to say where model is lacking and where animations are bad for exemple, that was what i was refering to

[golden horizon]

It doesnt have sounds when it takes damage when its full grown

[unreal ridge]

trike's trot is also too fast, it walks down stego making stego basically dead

[golden horizon]

They did acknowledge the calls are placeholders, so they hopefully have that all ready in the next patch

[modest dock]

eh i thought you were answering to all the people saying trike model looks weird or anims didn't saw that feedback saying its only "unfinished" x)

[unreal ridge]

stego is supposed to run away from trike, but cant because if trike is persistant stego will never be able to get away

[golden horizon]

No i was reffereing to the specefic feedback

[unreal ridge]

idk why people complain about trike's running animation, it literally looks straight from legacy

I guess not a lot of people played trike in legacy

[golden horizon]

Its like saying the sky is blue

[modest dock]

my bad

[golden horizon]

you're good

[modest dock]

fire burns

[golden horizon]

Ice melts

[sick blaze]

Wind Blows

[unreal ridge]

personally i feel like adult trike should be immune to stuns from most things besides other adult trikes (ofc things like rex and anky will be able to stun it)
but 9.5 tons and trike's absolutely solid stance should prevent it from getting stunned by a sub trike

[golden horizon]

But 3t dibbles can stun 6t stegos, if we make trike immune to stun from smaller creatures, we have to be consistent with all dinos

[unreal ridge]

but thats a different physiology, stego doesnt have as wide a base as trike
stego is much more upright and vulnerable to being knocked over because of the way it attacks

[golden horizon]

Im not against making trike immune to stuns from smaller dinos, but then this has to considered for all current and future playables

[unreal ridge]

stego uses those relatively long legs to pivot and "fence" with its tail
if it gets hit by something half it's weight its going down

trike keeps all 4 feet on the ground and a steady planted base, and shouldn't be moved very easily

thats why stego had weird 3 toed back legs

[golden horizon]

im not that much into paleo, so i can't argue whether it makes sense it gets stunned or no, im just speaking from a video games perspective

[unreal ridge]

im also speaking from a gameplay perspective, if an adult trike can consistently get stunned by subadult trikes who take turn just stunning and running, adult trike cant do much until its whittled away and dies

[golden horizon]

If a 3t dibble can stun a 6t stego, then it will make sense that a 4.75t trike can stun a 9.5t trike just by comparing their weights

I think the devs have a simple calculation based on weights if dinos gets affected by CC or not

[unreal ridge]

by that same logic wouldn't anky also be stunned by a 4.75 ton trike
anky, the creature much closer to the ground, with basically 0 fleeing capabilities, will just have to endure being constantly stunned and slowly killed

[golden horizon]

True

[acoustic spruce]

Legacy night vision it was horrendous

[unreal ridge]

lets even put anky at 10 tons, still an adult trike or anything faster than it with a stun will kill it

[golden horizon]

But maybe the anky gets stun resistance like cera do when near bodies

[unreal ridge]

that is true

[ivory wren]

Stand on the hill and die on it

[unreal ridge]

at the very least trike's, more specifically adult trike's, stun cooldown should be lowered so it doesnt fall into the same victimhood as what happened with stego and vomit-lock

huge apex dies because its body doesnt want to work

[raw gate]

Tbh I think it might be as important or even more so that dinos cannot be stun-locked and killed without getting an opportunity to do something at all. There should be some kind of diminishing returns on things like stuns (for example as in diminishing returns on cc in wow classic). I saw a Stego and a Trike take turns wacking another Trike, it was basically immobilized until death.

[unreal ridge]

its like when your sibling keeps kicking you, theres only so many kicks that push you back until you get fed up and just charge through it
Its not fun when you cant do anything

[raw gate]

"stun cooldown should be lowered" Or that way too, yeah

[unreal ridge]

oh yeah and to speak on stego, if trike just waits for stego to get 3/4th of the way through getting up after being knocked down, trike can throw stego again, which is another unfair stun lock

[raw gate]

Yeah, a diminishing return or CD on the ability fixes that and makes it more of a timed/strategic ability/option

[normal shuttle]

I will

@open vale admitting to mixpacking is crazy

[covert tiger]

#general-feedback message

@night obsidian while I 100% agree with you
It's sad that it took this long to realize how much the stunlock problem has plagued the game
Nobody cared all this time when dibbles were able to stunlock things smaller than them
It's just as problematic as trike stunlocking something smaller than it (i.e. stego)

[acoustic spruce]

@fallow light here’s your map