general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

like even an 8 ton stego would still be lighter than trike by a notable margin

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

yea ofc trike is heavier, it should be, but that doesn't mean stego shouldn't be weighted up alongside a model increase

i don't think stego should be heavier than TRIKE lol

[west agate]

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[fathom idol]

Wasn't our Stego made after that one skeleton they found, Sophie? I remember it being almost complete but just a youngadult.

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

that's not a problem either. Trike is heavier and faster than stego so I doubt it's getting much slower

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

Because rex and trike kind of necessitate it atm

Current stego is 3.5 tons smaller than trike and 2km/hr slower lol

Not to mention the headshot thing and trike's ability to be more aggressive with front-facing horns

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

Yea so do both.

Make stego actually big and make it heaveir too. Prepares it for trike and makes it look less silly

[woeful latch]

is the first one the actual size difference?

or you just guessing

[west agate]

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[west agate]

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[woeful latch]

the trike is giant..

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

Deino players can cope lol

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[limber hull]

They aren’t at immediate risk of Rex and trike

[woeful latch]

i really want bigger stego

[west agate]

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[normal shuttle]

@stone river lol

https://tenor.com/view/plauge-be-upon-ye-gif-27019320

just get confirmation brudha

no reason to make it feedback. They said they wanna fix performance first

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message it creates inconsistency, but i still like the idea tbh

[proven fossil]

@west agate isnt stego already that size?

[west agate]

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[normal shuttle]

Skill issue

[west agate]

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[normal shuttle]

No

I think stego is fine in terms of size and making it bigger would be too bad for it

Since I could no longer ambush people as easily

[limber hull]

???????

[normal shuttle]

Yeah I ambush people as stego

Its hilarious. Slow walk and using bushes as cover before rushing in

I’ve killed deinos in shores like that, also for a carno once

[compact timber]

stego shouldn't be slower than trike imo

maybe their speeds can switch places

[urban flax]

I kinda like the idea of trike being capable of reaching high speeds
But stego sure needs something to compensate

[limber hull]

idk

i'd prefer beefier stego and then maybe talk about its speed

[compact timber]

yes, either beefier stego or faster

bc trike just being better than stego in every way, I already feel a lot of "bro this fg trike killed my stego for no reason" moments

[normal shuttle]

Ignoring ceratopsian shields with the tail swing so they get instantly cc’ed if they try to charge a steg

[urban flax]

ew

[normal shuttle]

Literally piercing damage bro

In all games it works well vs armor

[urban flax]

Which isn't realistic tbh lol

[normal shuttle]

I know

[urban flax]

Normally the best way to damage armor is bludgeoning

[normal shuttle]

But steg damage makes my dopamine go high

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what could be given to stego to make it into an actually good playable however, I've never really thought about it

[normal shuttle]

Jokes aside, stego needs something to survive trike

[urban flax]

You can't just up its damage infinitely and call it a day
It needs actual mechanics

[normal shuttle]

I would prefer innately good health and maybe some good anti tank abilities or numbers

Biggest problem are gonna be the real apexes

[urban flax]

Stego needs an identity

Dealing high damage isn't an identity, it's a stat

[normal shuttle]

True

[limber hull]

to be fair, it seems like stego's identity is literally now "does the highest amount of raw burst damage in the entire game" which honestly kinda is an identity

[urban flax]

I think stego's "immovable object" identity has to go, as there are other playables that will do it better (trike, anky, shant, sauropods)
Being a fairly mobile herbivore apex would probably be a good start

[limber hull]

i think the identity of "living nuke" works pretty well imho

[normal shuttle]

Maybe, since its anatomy is less horizontally flat than anky and its main weapon is a flexible tail…What about it the ability to fight back while knocked over or pinned? That already would make it very resistant to stuff like rex trying to pin or cc it anywhere but from the head, and would also be able to deal with trikes and such trying to topple it down

[limber hull]

even trike does less burst damage than stego

[urban flax]

That would justify it having no armor and an extra vulnerability

[normal shuttle]

So if a rex tries to pin it from the side it can still swing its tail

[urban flax]

It's a bit shallow

[limber hull]

apexes don't tend to have very deep identities tbh

[normal shuttle]

Turning it into the apex herbivore glass cannon >>>

[urban flax]

Also there has to be a hard limit on how much damage something can make without making apex fights a stupid oneshot fest
And stego is already at that limit

Increase its damage further and stegos can literally 2-shot each other

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[limber hull]

make it tankier easy solution

[woven bane]

they already can

[urban flax]

I don't think power swing is 3000 raw damage

[normal shuttle]

Problem is, everyone else is a tank in the apex herbivore roster

Anky is THE tank, cama must be out of necessity, trike has always been known as a good walking phalanx and then Shant is because of its sheer magnitude

[normal shuttle]

Headshots

[woven bane]

neither do i

[urban flax]

Wait
I miscalculated

Damn stegos can already 2-shot each other
And it's a problem

[normal shuttle]

Give stego a drift and good speed or stam

[sudden hinge]

@weary kiln I don’t really see the point in gutting ceras ability to fight and move when every playable predator of meaningful size is faster then cera and can easily avoid attacks. I also think cera will need a new kit soon due to it being supplanted by both Rex and allo as better corpse bullies. Ceras kit really isn’t something that can be sustained once bigger predators are in.

[woven bane]

6.5T stego when

[normal shuttle]

7T

[limber hull]

someone suggested 7.5 and i think that's pretty good

[normal shuttle]

I hope kentro can swing its tail while moving like stego in legacy. So I can bleed things out while running

[urban flax]

If it can't I'm honestly worried for its viability

[normal shuttle]

Actually true

Imagine getting baited once and getting a cera charged bite in 😭

But on the other hand imagine kentro groups griefing dibbles and maias (I will do that)

[barren crater]

why would diablo be griefed ? Wouldn't it just beat you out lol

and maia can run at least

[normal shuttle]

Many dibbles are bad and just try to alt attack all the time or you can tail ride them while they are in sparring stance.

Would be hilarious to see a kentro pack as the new kos tenos

[barren crater]

Ahhhh

Yeah I could see that

I hope kentro is faster than diablo

[normal shuttle]

And a lot of Maias are sitting ducks in combat

[normal shuttle]

Why wouldn’t it be?

It’s like a third of dibble’s size

Actually smaller than isle teno I believe

[barren crater]

Who knows honestly

38km/h kentro

[normal shuttle]

That would suck

[woven bane]

39kmh kentro trust

[normal shuttle]

43-44 kph pachy and 41 kph kentro 🙏

[limber hull]

nope. teno is already confirmed the fastest quadrped

kentro is almost certainly slower

[normal shuttle]

BOOOOOOOO

[frank tapir]

bipedal kentro

[limber hull]

which makes sense given the thing is a giant porcupine essentially

[normal shuttle]

[limber hull]

doesnt need to run that badly

[barren crater]

kentro should slaughter teno in a fight anyways

[normal shuttle]

So it’s gonna have the damage to compensate the mobility and fend off tenos too?

[limber hull]

i mean... it's covered in spikes so yea i'd assume

even if the teno did start to attack, the kentro has passive defense on top of active defense

[normal shuttle]

I wonder what unique trait it will have

(Besides being able to swing while moving please please please please please please please please please)

[barren crater]

give kentro cc resistance. Similar to Teno when it's slamming and kicking

[limber hull]

the giant spikes?

[barren crater]

Well I say cc resistance but well its something else

[limber hull]

like are we just forgetting the giant spikes lol

[normal shuttle]

Of course, but I wonder how they will work. Contact damage perhaps? Or like “ricocheting” some damage if hit in the tail or shoulder?

[woven bane]

42.5kmh pachy

[normal shuttle]

Fair enough

[woeful latch]

40km/h 1600kg kentro

https://tenor.com/view/owo-love-cat-meow-heart-gif-4559932780455511834

[woven bane]

1.2T kentro

[woeful latch]

1.3t kentro.

[woven bane]

eh

[normal shuttle]

800kg kentro

[ancient kestrel]

Why kentro needs to be that fast? It got quite sharp spikes on half of its body

It would be able to protect itself

[normal shuttle]

Griefing purposes

[ancient kestrel]

What is cc?

[barren crater]

crowd control. Staggers & knockdowns

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[barren crater]

I think Kentro at around 1.4t with immunity to staggers/knockdowns (unless on the head hehe) would be fine. Doesn't need to be really fast either.

38-40 would be fine

[ancient kestrel]

I think it should have such resist only when getting attacked from spiky sides of it's body. Probably it should have counter damage to any attack coming from spiky areas

[cyan tree]

Yea add more dinos to evermia

[barren crater]

Well actually, it should probs be ragdolled by things around diablo size

[normal shuttle]

Why kentro should be the one getting cc resistance

Cama and anky would need it much more and having too many would feel redundant.

Just make kentro gud at defense

[ancient kestrel]

So the harder hit/bites it gets - the more punish damage agressor takes

[normal shuttle]

Literal Bob saichania, good

[barren crater]

I think it would be fine for kentro to have it. Well whatever it gets, I'll be fine with as long as its decently quick and can move and attack

[ancient kestrel]

BoB saichania have it as active ability. In the isle for Kentro I prefer it to be passive but depending on direction of damage

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[ancient kestrel]

It will be faster than stego anyway probably

[barren crater]

I'd hope so lol

[normal shuttle]

I need it to swing while running

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message Make a bug report with video/screenshot evidence, venting here won't do anything

#general-feedback message Maia is perfect rn, it can fight what it can't run away from ,and run away from things it can't fight. It can already knockdown other smaller dinos #general-feedback message

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message agreed @gleaming silo

#general-feedback message @full pewter to be honest, i like the nose look of trike hqha

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message Tarrifs ?

[weary kiln]

@wooden agate

[full pewter]

It’d be cool to see if get color, and again have it apply to a courting animation yea. But not the idle, I’m confident that’s not intended

[gritty heart]

Thorns enchantment the dinosaur

[oblique fable]

@limber hull @thorn field #general-feedback message I unironically wanna hear your opinions on why you disagree with Day time being so dark- I'm actually curious on why you think oppositely so (Hope it doesn't sound vindictive, I'm actually just curious on why the disagreement)

Night time is whatever quite frankly with darkness, as long as the animals that use it (let it be nightime hunting, or just in general being better animals at night) are able to use it effectively- it doesn't bother me all that much, if anything it could be annoying during morning and afternoon, but I'm moreso centered on daytime

#general-feedback message
@raw hedge

P sure it came from a youtuber named @winged sedge

[raw hedge]

YES

[oblique fable]

-# also hi Kingfisher you're p cool love the vids 👋

[raw hedge]

lol, But we need more discussion like that on this game, not the usual "Herbis eat grass and die", and Carnivores should win every fight!" that we hear lol

Cause I play this game to hang out and chill mostly, but its so boring unless you go murder hobo half the time

[oblique fable]

def agree, ecosystem additions that aren't just basic "Food Chain" additions would be great. The ideas of an ecosystem that revolves around itself is really fun and cool to think about if it works

[pliant elm]

@waxen crane The only change that Dillo needs in the clones is to make the clones like they were before, where you can bite them before they attack you instead of you biting the clone and it biting you back.

And also make the clones be destroyed by attacks like bites and not just alt attacks.

[tame jetty]

agreed

[wooden agate]

its not gutting Cerato's ability to fight however. youre still given tools to be extremely defensive, you just can no longer go out of your way to use your most powerful attack as a hunting tactic rather than what it should primairly be used for

[raw hedge]

I think the cera body down buff will be the main savior as well as bile. Imagine making a starving allo puke after chasing you forever lol

[young lichen]

Can someone explain to me why people feel things need to be nerfed because they can’t win an encounter that they were clearly out numbered?

Do people forget that you don’t have to fight a huge pack of herbies and can move on and fight something you know you can win?

I main carnivores and not once did i attack a full pack of dibbles, lose, then complain about how we need to reduce the pack size. I just move on and find a fight I know I can win or have a better chance of winning.

[sudden hinge]

I’d rather a cooldown on charge bite like 2-3 seconds then becoming immobile especially with allo coming

[sudden hinge]

That would be nice for sure and I’ve been noticing that sepsis seems to work better than I last played

[wooden agate]

allo is going to destroy cerato with or without the things ive suggested. cerato may be ever so slightly faster but with the ambush and pin/grapple, it isnt looking good. ceratos best bet is to run from an allo in most situations unless preforming its job and trying to take bodies from solo allos or allo pairs if they're uber skilled ceras.

[woeful latch]

welcome to the isle discord

[wooden agate]

hell id even be willing to give cerato the slightest of speed buffs if what i suggest was introduced because i am slightly worried for its survivability against allo and such

(which in turn means i would also buff teno speed ever so slightly)

[sudden hinge]

Allo will likely be significantly less mobile as cera so you could easily use your superior agility to evade an ambush. Making ceras biggest damage dealer be stationary or limited to a trot defeats the purpose of agility a cooldown on it so it’s not spammable is more than enough

[wooden agate]

the purpose of agility is usually to avoid being hit and getting away unharmed lol

[sudden hinge]

You turn into it and can apply sepsis before the allo can react is what I’m saying then you run

[wooden agate]

except its heavily nerfed on animals larger than you

so you'd need several bites

and allo is alot larger than Cerato

[sudden hinge]

Allo isn’t bigger than dibble so the same amount of bites or fewer should do

But regardless cera with a cooldown on charge bite is really all I see being needed

So it can’t spam double damage @wooden agate

[waxen crane]

I dont know about that. It still would be a free win/passive income on damage. Its just the suggestion i made, requires you to actually interact to gain a benefit, instead of sitting away and laughing till they die.

[sudden hinge]

Maybe curb the damage a bit too dilos clones suck and are free damage with little risk once you’ve got them

[pliant elm]

with the clones being easily destroyed this will force the dillo to be more aggressive

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message people forcing me to downvote something when they mix good takes with terrible ones 💔

[harsh sun]

#general-feedback message yeah, a boar dropping eggs makes perfect sense

[normal shuttle]

Also, @rough abyss maybe consider not playing with randoms if you want to take down something big. Part of the reason behind friendly fire with pounces is balancing to make it so that Omnis need some coordination and skill to pin down something rather than them for +30 seconds while their victim is completely unable to fight back. Isle randoms are gonna be garbo in one way or another, so you’re better off finding good people to play with or at least mildly aware

[hard walrus]

If devs are still working on any kind of VR implementation, I'll be very interested to be a playtester. I have Quest Pro

[rough abyss]

@covert tiger insane how you already got more downvotes than upvotes. This community is absolutely clueless

[normal shuttle]

I agree with most takes

But I really don’t know what to think about the omni bite speed

Why would omni need that

[waxen crane]

I dont think so, the dilo when its hallucinations could get killed, it just kept staying back and didnt try. The majority of players i fought during that time just stood back

[normal shuttle]

Dilo venom is so flawed in design

[woeful latch]

hm, no.

[gritty heart]

That’s what happens when you mix 3000 points together.

[obsidian jetty]

would it help, if every (active) clone that hits reduces the envenomation time? That could force Dilos to reapply the venom on larger targets (a Herra still just dies, but...it's a Herra). Just a random thought I had, not sure if that'd do anything.

[pliant elm]

If it returns to how it used to be, the victim will have a better chance of survival if the dillo is not aggressive, because with just one bite you could destroy the clones.

[normal shuttle]

Nah the design is just bad as it is. Requires minimal interaction from dilos

Would rather have the clones turn into damage multipliers if you cannot hit them in time so that it is forced to actually do stuff because dilos just refuse to do anything and spam from far, and all it takes to reach purple at times is one bite at night

[obsidian jetty]

ye, I do play Dilo every now and then and it's...weird to play...sure, playing a powerful animal always feels good, but...not like that. Is why I thought that just having to at least go in to reapply the venom after using those 3 clones you have, because the thing went back to green as it got hit, might be at least....something...

[normal shuttle]

I used to play legacy dilo

At first I was excited about the return but they actually managed to kill all interest I had in it with the current venom

Only a complete rework can save it now

Dilo is just a mind numbing, buggy, no skill spam fest

[gritty heart]

I pretty much never actually use the venom. But then again I tend to scavenge using it’s high speed and adept vision.

[woeful latch]

why💀

it’s basically free damage

[covert tiger]

Yep
There's a cult following on this discord

[normal shuttle]

It’s so bad with how uninteractive it is by design

I would rather have anything but the clones dealing actual damage

[woeful latch]

exactly

[normal shuttle]

In fact

[woeful latch]

clones should distract so dilo can get more bites, not do all the work for the dilo

[normal shuttle]

I have an idea for dilo venom that might not be added if I put it in feedback since almost nothing there is added, but I could give it a shot

[gritty heart]

It doesn’t build character if it’s free

But on a serious note it’s because you see almost nothing on your side which makes it quite boring. You basically sniff their color and that’s all you can do. Annoying ability for the playable to be balanced around.

[covert tiger]

It's tiny, super agile
Try biting with Omni a few times - it doesn't fit. Like practically you will notice there is an input delay where your dino cant do anything after pressing lmb.
It can pounce and recover from it's pounce faster than it can bite.
Larger dinos can bite much more frequently.
Feels like Maia level of clunky which isn't fitting for a tiny dino

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[covert tiger]

I can use this for anything.
Why does any dino need bite speed?

Why does dilo need a bite speed which is 3x faster than omnis?
Why does any other dinosaur need a bite speed which is 2x faster than omnis?
I am not exaggerating. These are real numbers. Dilo does 8-9 bites in the time Omni does 3. Carno and cera do 5-6 during the same time.
It's nonsensical

[gritty heart]

Fighting omnis is so funny because they get super confident, run into your face, and get split in half by dilos like I am operating a chainsaw

[normal shuttle]

I am talking about game design and how it fits with its kits. Those are the most compelling arguments for me rather than “it makes sense”

I can get it with dilo because it’s ability relies on biting and taking advantage of that initial ambush, to stack the venom, while cera needs high dps for its size. But omni won’t be trading with anything and you’re better off with hit and run or pouncing.

It’s not that impactful for anything but biting a pinned or grappled target.

I said it in the past. I wouldn’t mind something like a slight buff to put it somewhat closer to carno, but I would see it weird if someone asked for omni to bite like herra or dilo since it would be a change that provides little to no utility because omni does not really need fast biting for ambushes and solo omnis don’t have cc to make a fast bite speed shine

You’re better off hitting and outmaneuvering it when not pouncing something you cannot trade with, and bite speed there is irrelevant

[covert tiger]

But that's the entire point.
The reason Omni doesn't use lmb is BECAUSE it's so slow.
It needs to be sped up so that it actually uses it. Omni deserves a basic attack just like any other dino which does not cost stamina.

You're basically eliminating omnis ability to use lmb at all with that super slow bite speed.
It has to solely rely on pounce to do anything.

Omni is better off avoiding something it can't trade with? That's the exact thing I'm trying to change. It has no choice at the moment. Bite speed should be relevant rather than remaining something with no utility.
Give it utility by speeding it up. Make it relevant.
Cause its relevant for every single other dinosaur.

[normal shuttle]

That is NOT the point. You just made that up

You literally cannot trade with anything that you cannot pin down. It is as you have said a frail animal it shows because even with quicker bite speed it would get slammed by a pachy or a dilo if it tried to trade without pouncing instead of using its godlike agility and turning

And then, with those you can trade with, you can pin them down anyway, so why bother to facetank?

And you know what tactic you have to use if you don’t wanna pounce and something wins the trade?

Right, hit and run

Which is something where bite speed barely matters since greed will be punished harshly

[covert tiger]

I don't wish to continue this discussion anymore as you have failed to understand my points.
I respect your opinion, but I'm ending this convo for now.

[normal shuttle]

Just look at omni soloing anything without pounce. Even with a quicker bite it wouldn’t have time to do more than one bite in most circumstances, maybe two with a especially slow playable if bit like a carno or a herrera without risking damage

[normal shuttle]

“Just make it relevant bro, even though it doesn’t compliment its kit at all and that point of yours has never been addressed”

[covert tiger]

@night obsidian I'm guessing ppl don't want a 'heres an icon to follow for food' type of gameplay
It's hard to balance
Animals can't usually scent other live animals too well (look at predators stalking their prey for so long without being detected)
Would interfere with small tiers hiding, for example

With that said, I voted yes cause the idea of smelling a radius is still good, but I don't think we will ever get it because of how much it would clutter the interface. Imagine smelling dozens of things all around you. Even you yourself wouldn't like it if you look at it from a practical standpoint. Would make it difficult to get to what you actually want

[icy lion]

The only time I'd be ok with scenting live players is if they're actively AFK or similar, and even that can get into weird territory

I'd rather have our tracking systems overhauled and improved instead

[gritty heart]

Yeah scenting is just some thing that would be really hard to implement in a way that is accurate, fun, and somewhat balanced, even though it would be neat

[normal shuttle]

Give scent of players to MONO

That thing better be a true tireless hound

[compact timber]

@silent karma#general-feedback message have u tried turning off the music slider? I did and I get no combat music

[silent karma]

Yeah, but then I also get absolutely no music

[compact timber]

oh you mean combat music seperately

[silent karma]

Yes

[compact timber]

yeah I think that'd be cool

[silent karma]

Exactly, I really like the isle soundtrack

I hope that they someday release an OST of the game on Spotify or other music streaming platforms

[gritty heart]

I mean I’m pretty sure that’s basically it’s mechanic (though more so scenting it’s own snot, and thereby players it gets on)

[white elm]

#general-feedback message Ptera sure, Troo absolutely not

Giving Troo the ability to eat rotten flesh is ridiculous and goes against its niche

Its not a scavenger, its a big game pack hunter

[ripe hatch]

can anyone help me fix my server issue? game worked for about 3 days and now no matter what i do i cannot find a server. i havent changed my wifi or anything else since it was working.

[eternal moss]

@vital laurel couldn't streamers just pause their stream while they do friend codes?

[vital laurel]

they could, yes

[eternal moss]

then whats the point?

[vital laurel]

so they dont have to

[eternal moss]

oh

[dim canopy]

I absolutely eat a sandwich to heal a papercut.

But yeah, that eating to heal mutation is ridiculous

[gritty heart]

Troodon seems built to be an ideal cera bullying target I’m gonna be honest

[hidden pilot]

Who said this game is realistic? We have mutants for crying out loud

and not to mention the genetically engineered "dinosaurs"

[latent olive]

god I hate stat tracker suggestions that focus on how many kills you had

[gritty heart]

Honestly gotta agree about the ht feedback part. Especially annoying when people don’t specify ht in the post but it comes up in discussion

[dim canopy]

Stat trackers are just going turn the game into a pure pvp, lol

(MB, forgot to turn off ping)

[icy lion]

@vapid harbor That's already in and working

In HT that is

[vapid harbor]

ballin

[subtle swan]

#general-feedback message All servers restart every 8 hours so just work out what time that is and adjust to your time zone... it's not difficult?

[subtle swan]

I wouldn't mind being able to see at least how many in-game days/hours I survived but other than that, yeah.

[subtle swan]

It needs a major nerf (1% or 2% not 5% especially considering how much food can be available (plus Cera getting buffs by corpses they vomit on + a health battery....) And don't get me started on the water recovery mutations. Done that already. AS Deino I can get injured then go find small fish (20-25% HP per school)

or make it just give ashort duration boost to health recovery so it isn't so abusable.

#general-feedback message make the mutation reminder flash forever until it's chosen instead of turning off if you view the mutation screen.

[gritty heart]

You can also just checked the pinned messages on the discord in the official server channels

[subtle swan]

See, how would anyone know that without being told?

[gritty heart]

That’s 90% of the isle. Better fall in love with the search engine of your choice/latch onto a vet.

Or be like me and have played back in legacy not knowing about the ambush speed mechanic for awhile

[alpine oak]

Spawned as a dieno in swamp and I started stuck in a tree, and /unstuck doesn't work "cannot unstuck due to movement conditions"

[cold axle]

uhh teno diet broken?

not showing for me

[woeful latch]

on HT? same, you can still get the diets if you eat tho

[cold axle]

Yes, thank you!! ^.^

[woeful latch]

np!

[night obsidian]

I understand. Thanks for clearing up 🙂

[warm nacelle]

@remote leaf yes this works with Dieno very helpful when spawning in swamp and looking at the zero fish that spawn there

https://tenor.com/view/demure-mindful-jools-gif-14955024630767011983

[versed rose]

im not sure if this is the right place for this. but i just wanted to say that i feel like some of the game mechanics are actively working against each other making the game not as fun. ai spawns being what they are, making you have to burn youre stamina to find the scarce ai before you starve. then once you find it you have to regen all your stamina. not too mention the map is so big but they still have the nerfed stam regen. and to top it all off, when you eventually starve/dehydrate. reset to 0% I feel like the game doesnt respect the players time

[warm nacelle]

the map is way to big for the 100 player official cap and the way ai currently fuctions

the amount of just absolute nothing on the map it actually feels far more desolate than a fallout game and thats impressive

[versed rose]

thats another point, i may not have the urge to want to sprint everywhere if the ai was more spread out or there was, you know, stuff to do between point A and point B. in between the rare instances im not starving, theres just a whole lot of nothing.

[covert tiger]

The game will not hand hold you nor "give" you anything
Every single thing needs to be learned, worked for and earned
It's a brutal learning curve at the start

[versed rose]

i dont think the ai is a learning curve, i'll give the stamina thing may just be a personal preference. but the empty world is just that

[warm nacelle]

See theres a difference between a learning curve and an incomplete product

Stay with me here...East....plains....is a gator spawn

[frank tapir]

aren't the new waterfalls a connection between delta and the east plains river?

[covert tiger]

Yes it is an incomplete product that is currently developing. Why are you placing expectations of a fully complete polished product?

Also, yes there absolutely is a learning curve, both with ai and everything else. For example, your points don't really apply to anybody beyond 50-100hrs (I'm choosing an arbitrary number here) because they will know the map, the basic mechanics, how to not starve, where to find ai, how to manage stamina, etc

[warm nacelle]

i am a whole ass alligator in a forest

the swamps

have no fish

[frank tapir]

small fish definitely spawn in swamp

[covert tiger]

You also decided to choose the most difficult dino to play when you haven't learned the game yet
I recommend an easier dino to learn first

Again, game will not serve anything to you on a platter

[warm nacelle]

see heres where were missing the big point

its not a learning curve its the game genuinely not working properly

[versed rose]

lets say it is a learning curve, 50 hours shouldnt be required to learn the game

[covert tiger]

You can believe that all you like
You are not the first to blame the game
It's a normal response - nobody likes to believe they aren't good enough and need to spend more time learning

[warm nacelle]

is the learning curve me learning how to program fish into the swamps

because thats what it sounds like

should i wait another 10 years for fish

[covert tiger]

There's a difference between "i can't find fish cause I haven't learned how to survive yet and I don't know the basic mechanics" and "game isn't programmed to have fish in it"

[warm nacelle]

is there perhaps a person with a functioning frontal lobe around

[white elm]

real classy

now we will take you even less seriously

[stuck imp]

the devs are aware of fish spawns. they're already better on the hordetest from what i've seen

[warm nacelle]

So no got it

ah so there is a fish spawn issue

[frank tapir]

how many hours do you have?

[stuck imp]

I don't think anyone said there wasn't

[covert tiger]

Eh, like I said, 50 is an arbitrary number.
Starvation and death are part of the game
Even the most experienced players die all the time
Game is all about life cycles

[warm nacelle]

No no its a learning curve not a spawn issue

[versed rose]

i think this is my biggest point. im sorry if i was sounding aggressive or anything, genuinely here to voice my feedback.

I think the map is too big, not enough players per server, ai being really scarce, and the stamina system isnt conducive for a larger map

[frank tapir]

ai at the moment isn't scarce, it just has to spawn in

[covert tiger]

It's true the devs have made it a bit easier to find fish in certain swamp areas in the hordetest
But by no means was it ever hard before

[limber hull]

AI is literally everywhere you can basically fullgrow anything bar a deino on it

[warm nacelle]

i think this fella might just be a spastic

[versed rose]

maybe im just unlucky or something then, or i dont know the map well enough. but i was in a pack of ceras and we were deperately trying to find food for a solid 30 minutes

[white elm]

stop it

[warm nacelle]

thats the second time youve spoke with nothing useful

[frank tapir]

a pack of ceras should struggle to find food, it should be difficult to sustain high numbers

[warm nacelle]

Little block button locate it and slap that bad boy if youre easily upset youll be okay

[white elm]

ok

I've seen fish spawn in the swamps multiple times with beipi, you're just unlucky. get over it.

[covert tiger]

Map big and not enough server slots are for sure true
We've been requesting that since forever
Ai however is super abundant, like way more than 100 players need
I recommend googling Vulnona map (select gateway at the top), tracking where you've found ai and remembering your favorite growing spots. It helps a lot.
Also, yeah as the other guy said, a pack of ceras needs to start killing players to survive. Can't live off ai for free anymore as you grow in size and numbers

[versed rose]

i agree, that was a bad example. im just a bit frustrated is all. When im solo though it IS a struggle to find food for me, again, could just be a me thing. just giving my 2 cents

[warm nacelle]

Yes small pools of fish CAN spawn in certain areas theres a whole area south of the swamp thats also swamp where nothing at all spawns and even in the actual swamp spawn its a rare occurance

its a pretty simple concept

[covert tiger]

Sometimes I wonder why I waste my breath on new players with the worst pathetic unskilled attitudes
Get blocked

[gritty heart]

When you play ceras your fellow is food. Same with deino

[warm nacelle]

thats the best part esbi nobody asked for you

its like talking to a wall

[versed rose]

damn dude, while i may not agree with esbi on everything, no need to be rude

[warm nacelle]

Youre struggling on land

[covert tiger]

I can't recall how many times I died back when i started playing
Wouldn't be a survival if surviving wasn't a struggle or a challenge
At some point you appreciate the beauty of it
Becomes very rewarding once you learn and master how to survive

[rough abyss]

@north quiver This is not a desync issue. People love to blame "lag" but the truth is the hitboxes for Dibble, Carno and Stego are ridiculous. I have tested this on several servers and they are all the same.

[covert tiger]

Then it becomes even more beautiful when you start nesting and parenting, teaching others to survive, showing your battle scars

It's all a cycle

[versed rose]

I really do love the game, i truly do. and I can get used to a lot of things. and I've nested and been a parent many times with omni and tennos, and now that group of ceras i have. i think it boils down to big map, low stam, not enough players. everything else is just a symptom of that

[covert tiger]

This is true
You can test with 2 players standing still with excellent ping
Those 3 have insane hitboxes on their attack

The dsync issue is mainly for pouncers like Omni and troodon

[frank tapir]

@tepid rune what?

[covert tiger]

Even stam can be managed
Keep it above 60% and it'll regen when trotting, you won't have to continuously rest
Too much stam would cause balance issues in combat

[versed rose]

have stam work the way it is in combat. then after combat, lets say a minute. it starts regenning faster when sitting?

[covert tiger]

Altho maybe they could make it easier for exploration I agree
Like out of combat stam regens faster

[versed rose]

that way you can sprint freely, sit to recover. (risking getting caught with you "pants down") but at least youre not sitting for what feels like 10 minutes

[covert tiger]

At the moment though, this is the best way

Sprinting continuously and depleting your stam creates an annoying cycle of sitting repeatedly

[versed rose]

im not even saying to 0% maybe lower the threshold to 40% for walking then you have to sit at 20%. but if youre not in combat it should be increased. maybe by like 1.5%

1.5% regen speed that is

[covert tiger]

Yeah that would be a good QoL change

[versed rose]

i want to keep the essence of what the game is, but also give the players the incentive to go explore more. We got this huge map, I want to play in it. but at the moment, it does kinda feel like a walking sim at times

anyways, like i said, just giving my honest feedback. I appreciate your time and the discussion. Have a good one 🙂

[gritty heart]

Explore the map! But leaving my cuddle cave in west rail access is scary. I could fall through the void when a human structure lacks internals!

[gritty heart]

Struggling to kill sea turtles

[white elm]

#general-feedback message @limber hull oingo boingo watcher mayhaps ?

[subtle swan]

#general-feedback message bro doesn't read the announcements channel.

[urban flax]

No one does lol
Most people who post feedback don't even read the post above theirs

Or the rules

[limber hull]

popped up in my feed and reminded me how much i hated it

[white elm]

[heady geode]

Stego pin is already myth, seen once in a generation, and you want to eradicate such efforts of teamwork?! Clipping be damned, don’t remove the pounce spot, make raptor rip the plate off stego!

Plateless stegos are now on the menu

[limber hull]

lol no. You can still pin a stego with 4 raptors anyway lol

So entirely unnecessary to just screw over stego with whatever you’re on about lol

[heady geode]

Well, I’ll save the screwing stego over to trike, never seen 4 fg raptors pin stego, unless someone was lying about their size

[white elm]

watch oingo boingo's most recent video

[heady geode]

Only seen it drop when all slots are full

[white elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3CLi-7MSsM&t=479s

[heady geode]

Thank you YouTube recommendation bot

[white elm]

right at this time stamp

a 4 omni stego pin

it happens

[heady geode]

Damn dude I’m never playing with randoms again, Kos all raptors saying their fg

[north quiver]

with things like those it’s a mix between hitbox and desync. if it was only hitbox it’d be a lot more consistent and things like cera wouldn’t be hitting my galli 6+ feet away lol

[normal shuttle]

@jade musk read my name

Never suggest that dumpster fire again

I am not just a blind hater, I just hate the idea of how popular that thing is when titanoboa is

OBJECTIVELY

Bad for the isle and it wouldn’t work

[white elm]

titanus the boa

[normal shuttle]

It’s so bad

Even as a tree apex it would be GARBAGE

Not only hard to make, but just flat out inferior to everything and it would either become current deino but worse or simply some progression taco tier garbage

[limber hull]

titanoboa is awesome idk man

[white elm]

we don't need it

[limber hull]

i know but it's still cool

we dont need whatever the tissoplastic reaper is but it's sick as hell so i want it

i think if anyone were to make a snake, and make it well, it'd be The Isle

[normal shuttle]

It would suck as a playable

[limber hull]

why

it'd be awesome

snake gaming

[urban flax]

Snake Pass in The Isle

[limber hull]

SNAKE

PASS

[limber hull]

titanoboa gaming

[urban flax]

Give it the exact same face as that snake

[limber hull]

yea

idk no one can convince me titaoboa isn't awesome i wanna be an arboreal/aquatic fusion while trying to figure out how to navigate the world as a literal snake

[woven bane]

would be a cool predator for herrera’s

swallowing them whole would be a crazy sight lol

[limber hull]

Right?

IDK what'd be scarier as a herrera, seeing a giant snake climb towards you or seeing a giant eyeless human climb towards you

both are possible options

[normal shuttle]

Awesome to have your prey jump out or to another tree as soon as they detect or hear you

Or getting gored by a dibble as soon as you for a drink

Or mauled by deinos

[limber hull]

idc lol it sounds fun

"oh it'd be unviable" who cares it's cool as hell

[woven bane]

still intense, you know that you aren’t 100% safe in the trees

[limber hull]

also snake locomotion would be so cool

[limber hull]

To be fair, generation 1 humans will also do that, but yea

[normal shuttle]

If anything boa would get destroyed by herra groups and gen 1

[woven bane]

doubt depending on how big it’ll be

[woven bane]

yes but it being a giant snake will hit different u feel me

[urban flax]

Unless it has tools to deal with them

[normal shuttle]

Titanoboa, slower than a carno or cera while being about the same weight if not a bit closer to teno

[limber hull]

Yea I feel you for sure

TBF if it's like a ton+ snake it'd be pretty hard for a herrera to kill

[normal shuttle]

It would for sure climb faster, so a group of herras with the height advantage would be a big no

And even then, as I said, they could jump to another tree and deny the meal to the snake

[woven bane]

herreras are usually solo tbf

[limber hull]

I mean...

Depends how far the snake can stretch its snake body out

[white elm]

titanoboa would simply be a waste of development time

[woven bane]

catch it by suprise, the amount of foliage in the trees would be a massive advantage

[limber hull]

if it's fun then it's not

[normal shuttle]

No way you’re animating a 1.5-2 ton snake stretching more than a few meters just to match a herra jumping to a tree 15 meters away

[white elm]

it won't be

[limber hull]

sounding like those magy haters rn ngl

[limber hull]

SNAKE LOCOMOTION WHAT THE HELL

[normal shuttle]

Nah hear me in this one. Titanoboa would be so bad. As if magy hate was true

[woven bane]

it could work

[urban flax]

You lack an argument to back that up

[white elm]

magy will be able to run from what it can't fight and fight what it can't run from

titanoboa won't!

simple

[limber hull]

titanoboa can climb a tree or dive underwater it's fine

snake gaming

[urban flax]

It won't because...?

At this point trike will be unviable because it dies to 20 omnis with no way to run away or fight back

[limber hull]

i will not sit here and see the new age of magy slander be placed upon the awesomesauce snake

[white elm]

god just because I think a fat and rotund snake will be unviable doesn't mean I think a sauropod that is actually capable of fighting will be

[limber hull]

BoB can make a snake and it's like the funniest thing in that game

[urban flax]

It just makes your opinion incoherent

[white elm]

they're clearly different, wilful ignorance

[urban flax]

Pygmy sauropod = viable
Giant snake = not viable for no reason

[limber hull]

giant snake unviable on credit of being giant snake

as if it wouldn't have tools like climbing or swimming, which have proven exceptional as ways to escape

[urban flax]

What difference do they have that makes titanoboa impossible to make viable and interesting ?

[limber hull]

like a titanoboa in the swamp would be absolutely fine

[white elm]

maybe I don't want a "viable" snake have you considered that

maybe I don't want BoB jumping snake gameplay

[limber hull]

it doesn't need to be able to do that to work tho

[urban flax]

So titanoboa won't be viable because you don't want it to be

[limber hull]

just needs to be able to extend its body to reach higher places

[urban flax]

You just hate it for the sake of it

[limber hull]

for the snake of it

[white elm]

and get pounced on by a herrera which will be far faster and more manoeuvrable than it

[urban flax]

If you weren't a master of the keyblade I'd kill you

[limber hull]

I hope it falls directly into my big snake mouth

[white elm]

I'm really sorry but titanoboa just sucks

[limber hull]

It's cool idk why the most unique possible playable we could ever get is so hated

[white elm]

because it'd be unviable if not stupid and stupid if viable

[urban flax]

Clearly tarbosaurus is better and more interesting

[limber hull]

based on what

if it can climb and swim fast that's literally all it needs

[urban flax]

I know I usually say this as a joke but
source ???

[limber hull]

it's already viable by the metric of having both

also uh

[white elm]

back me up here valiant

please

[limber hull]

450kg omni gets a stam-heavy scramble climb ability
EVERY HERRERA WOULD BE MURDERED BY OMNIS AND BE ENTIRELY UNIABLE WE CAN'T DO THIS

1000+kg snake can full on climb up trees
Herrera would immediately fodderise it by being a better climber and just pouncing on it lol what's the point

[urban flax]

The duality of man

[normal shuttle]

1. If you want to make a constrictor, then it cannot really hunt anything but isolated targets because players won’t run away and panic when their teammate is pinned down

2. If you want it to swim and be like a deino, deino obliterates it

3. Too slow in land to not get steamrolled by nearly all mid tiers and above, and they will not hesitate to do so because they are players

4. Risk of being redundant as a megalania or deino clone if you plan on making it anything but a “tree apex”

5. If you want to make it a good climber, then it lacks the jumping and maneuverability literally all climbers have (too dumb to assume gen 0/1 and hypsi won’t have it) which sabotages the snake’s entire plan

6. Very hard to make and develop, and also to allow it to work properly with things like omni and troodon pounce

7. If you want to make it a good defender against things of its size or maybe a but more it could work with a defensive stance but only really in a one on one, as a very slow moving defensive stance or even a static one would make it extremely vulnerable to groups or just very movible targets, while also lacking slides because it’s a damn snake

Magy is likely gonna have its issues, but it is far more viable than this thing in a game like the isle if you want to make it look grounded, and is also easier to make so that the loss at the possibility of something being irremediably trash is significantly lesser

[white elm]

did we not end up agreeing with each other on omni scramble??

also

yes, herrera WOULD immediately fodderise it by being a better climber

[white elm]

thank god here we go, finally a reasonable take

[normal shuttle]

Also the idea of a giant snake not being venomous or a constrictor and instead bludgeoning/mauling its opponents sounds so

[limber hull]

SNAKE SLAM

RAAAAGH

[urban flax]

1. I don't want to make it a constrictor
2. Same goes for every semi-aquatic then ? Remove every semi-aquatic except deino from the game
3. That's why it can climb
4. I wasn't aware megalania and deino were good tree-climbers, not that megalania was an ambush hunter
5. It really doesn't need to be able to jump, that's what being a snake is for
6. Yes. Doesn't make it a bad playable.
7. That's why it can climb

[limber hull]

also why would it need to jump if it can extend its big long snake body from one branch to another

[white elm]

there are so much more interesting playable ideas that are viable that haven't been explored

a herbivorous pterosaur

a smaller mid tier crocodilian

a semi aquatic omnivorous clean up crew (andrewsarchus)

and yet you focus on the dumb snake

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-smiling-friends-mr-landlord-allan-burnout-revenge-for-the-ps2-gif-18297403312497783573

that would be stupid and super buggy

[limber hull]

all of those aren't nearly as unique as the snake

[normal shuttle]

Because all of its tree “prey” can jump to another tree 40 feet away. Not having a jump (since having one would look so stupid and Bob like) would make it very inefficient at hunting unless we were talking about clueless players (which won’t be the case if things like megalania and other dangerous climbers show up, like how most players began being wary of water after deino released) or the trees somehow get good places to hide or camouflage while climbing up

[white elm]

I don't want monkey swinging titanoboa

[urban flax]

Here's one of the multiple possible ways titanoboa could be done in my opinion :
2 tons, about 30 km/h on land, much faster in the water
Slow, but decently damaging bite
Can climb most surfaces without pressing a button, it just can (ala snake pass if that's possible)
Special ability to "curl up" in a defensive position, can do it on the ground or in trees. In that position, titanoboa can't move, but its entire body gets a 25% damage resistance, except for its head, which is held high and hard to reach
In this position, titanoboa can lunge forward and grab targets. Anything under 50% of its weight gets swallowed whole and eaten. Lunge has priority over most other attacks.

It still has room for many other mechanics if that's not enough

[limber hull]

that's why u ambush it with your very quiet snake body

big bonus of being a snake: quiet

no footsteps cause no foots

they never expect it

[white elm]

and to top it all off you give it a pseudo-pin mechanic

just

mwah

awesome

[urban flax]

It's not a pseudo-pin lol

[white elm]

so a dilo just dies if it gets hit on the tail by titanoboa

cool

[urban flax]

It's an ambusher tool

[urban flax]

Like with any other ambusher in this game

[white elm]

ambusher tool
titanoboa can't move

what

[urban flax]

Or you can limit it to only be able to swallow things on a head or body hit
Not like it matters

[limber hull]

it is an ambusher move it's not like titanoboa is catching anything in a chase lol

it's a big-ass snake

[urban flax]

Compare it to herrera or deino, which are both working ambushers with limited movement capabilities

[white elm]

is herrera's movement completely halted while ambushing stuff? is deino's movement completely halted while ambushing stuff?

[limber hull]

i mean

allo's and omni's are?

[urban flax]

Herrera yes, you just wait in the trees until a prey comes around
Deino a bit less limited, but you still need the prey to approach your water hiding spot, you're not chasing it on land

[white elm]

completely

halted

[urban flax]

Yes
You're also not forced to like, hold it for your entire life
It's like dibble sparring stance
You can switch it on and off as needed

[limber hull]

what if it just swallowed the herrera alive with its big snake mouth

that'd be funny

[white elm]

why are you doing this

[limber hull]

snake

[urban flax]

snake

[normal shuttle]

2. Thing with all other semi aquatics save for deino is that they either are very competent in land and can simply thrive without swimming much there like bary and sucho, they can fight Deino like spino or potentially cheirus, or their gameplay doesn’t require them to hunt other players or elite fish to survive reliably (austro and beipi fall in this category). Titanoboa would runs the risk of getting almond the same niche as Deino and being outcompeted by a larger, better swimmer.

3. You’re gonna have to come down at some point such as when drinking or getting some carcass, and herra/hypsi have it much easier to escape if things turn ugly compared to a giant 2 ton noodle

4. I mean that if you make boa anything but a good climber, then it will be a clone of either one or the other.

5. So what if its prey can just immediately escape safely with one jump after seeing the bus long snake approaching?

6. I agree long or hard development doesn’t make something not worth doing, but in conjunction with this?

7. Again, not always you’re gonna be there

[limber hull]

🐍

[normal shuttle]

Herra is not limited in the slightest

[white elm]

creature with the most movement options in the game besides ptera

the humble rmb

[urban flax]

It's limited to trees, just like titanoboa
The difference is that herreras needs to stand very high so it can deal decent damage, titanoboa needs to be fairly low so it can reach its prey

[normal shuttle]

Eyes are a common organ amongst players, and in the deep jungle where the boa could sneak up from the branches it is gonna need to know where the prey is too. You get what in saying?

[limber hull]

im not sure why the argument of "other arboreal things are more mobile than it" is even a problem here?

yea, that's how most of this game works. bigger = slower so smaller can get away, which is why bigger tends to need to ambush to catch smaller

also titanoboa would be very quiet so big plus for ambush

[normal shuttle]

Herra can run on the ground or swim just fine. If anything, herras have a much higher success rate hunting when they roam on the ground and only go up when chased by something or setting up an ambush

[urban flax]

And uh, titanoboa can do that too

[normal shuttle]

Because the trees have much more restrictive movement.

If there’s a big tree like those giant ones we have rn, they would see the snake coming from a mile away.

[urban flax]

That could be true

However

Stego ambush

[limber hull]

then that sucks for the snake. if the herrera DOESN'T see it, it won't hear it (because it's a quiet-ass snake) and will be turned into snake food

[normal shuttle]

At stego speed at best while also being so much longer and larger, thus being easier to spot

[white elm]

why are we wasting our time on titanoboaaaaaa

[urban flax]

larger ?
Titanoboa larger than stego ???
Show me a picture I want to know how

[normal shuttle]

We need to crusade against the titanoboa fanboys. Even if we gotta fight our own

[normal shuttle]

Sorry, meant much larger than a herra

[limber hull]

because it's cool

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-pilgrim-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-youre-not-alone-ramona-flowers-gif-18123271

[limber hull]

like i'mma be honest titanoboa hate to me is effectively the same as magy hate

[urban flax]

it's a snake
It can literally hide in grass better than an omni could

[normal shuttle]

How??

[limber hull]

but a different paint

[white elm]

reasonably sized sauropod that looks decently fast

vs

fat slow snake

I wonder which one is more viable guys

[normal shuttle]

Ngl, the idea of teno being the fastest quadruped makes me just a little worried about magy

[urban flax]

People deciding "this can't work" without even considering the options that would make it able to work, and instead only finding ways and arguments to disregard them because they don't like the thing, out of personal preference

[white elm]

has that been confirmed?

[limber hull]

the fat slow snake that can also dive and climb lol

[urban flax]

This is exactly what I'm talking about

[limber hull]

also this is LITERALLY the same kind of argument as magy hate

[white elm]

to make magy viable you just have to make it faster than allo and capable of beating a cera in a 1v1

to make titanoboa viable you have to do SO MUCH MORE, its just not worth it and makes it look bad

[limber hull]

"it won't survive because i've decided it won't survive"

[limber hull]

not really? if it can swim good and climb good it's pretty much set for life

[white elm]

the humble deinosuchus and humble herrerasaurus:

[urban flax]

You guys decide to straight up ignore anything interesting regarding the playable and instead go out of your way to find ways to prove that IT CANNOT WORK AT ALL NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO using increasingly specific situations and scenarios and no ever acknowledging any positive related to it

[limber hull]

by that logic all aquatics are to be unviable because deino swim faster

[white elm]

difference is, most semis are actually going to be competent on land

[limber hull]

and titanoboa competent in trees

[white elm]

nope

[limber hull]

it's a different flavour but same energy

tf you mean nope

you can't just go "nope" as if that makes it suddenly less of a snake

[white elm]

it simply won't

no beasts of bermuda palaeophis jump, no viability

[limber hull]

????

it doesn't need that at all

[white elm]

ok I'll brb I'll return to argue about the stupid snake in... a few minutes

[limber hull]

why would it ever need that jump lol

[urban flax]

In fact, half of that entire argument is moot
Who cares if it's better than deino, or than megalania, or than herrera ?
All that matters is if it's fun, and not too oppressive to other playables

[limber hull]

the logical extreme of "it NEEDS palaeophis jump for some reason otherwise useless" is such a logical fallacy only made to triple down on a point

[urban flax]

Not everything has to be a top dog

[limber hull]

^

people are stuck on it being 100% viable all the time but people would play it for the sheer fun of being a snake

and the giant snake would absolutely add some unique interactions and horror to the game

gen 2 playing only to hear a colossal snake hissing as it slithers down a nearby tree? sick as

[urban flax]

Dryo and hypsi in their current state are both much less viable than that hypothetical titanoboa
However people still play them, albeit rarely
And giving climbing to hypsi would make it infinitely more fun, despite still being unviable because "if it can't climb as well as herrera it's gonna be unviable"

[limber hull]

as long as it has arboreal viability, aquatic viability and a consistent hunting method, it has tools to escape literally 90% of the roster

[urban flax]

I think gen 2 not hearing anything and then Craig is gone, and then you look up and that vine has a craig-shaped bulge is infinitely more scary

[limber hull]

exactly. hypsi is TECHNICALLY viable now, despite being slow, incapable of climbing and having the jump stam to make someone weep

[limber hull]

exactly right?

[urban flax]

Let's go make The Isle 2 together

[limber hull]

i want what is effectively the basilisk to roam the island and devour things whole

being stuck on how viable or unviable it is is how we get the magy discussion

titanoboa would be fun is the long and short of it

[late plank]

bob did paleosnake pretty good but bob is bob bru

[white elm]

Stop bringing up magy

Magy is not relevant

[limber hull]

pretty good parallel tho

[white elm]

Unviable playable is viable because viable playable is viable!!

[limber hull]

but titanoboa is provably viable

you saying it isn't doesn't make it so

[urban flax]

Define unviable in this case and justify what falls under this category and why

[limber hull]

you saying it needs BoB jump for some weird reason also doesn't make it so

[white elm]

Herrera in tree
Massive titanoboa approaches
Since it's laughable to assume it could camouflage, the Herrera obviously sees the massive snake approaching
Jumps to another tree
Hunt over

[limber hull]

cool a lot of hunts work like that

[urban flax]

Eat something else then

[limber hull]

^

"TITANOBOA CAN FAIL A HUNT"

I should hope so!

If there was a predator who COULDN'T fail a hunt now THAT'D be concerning

[urban flax]

Galli in plains
Massive rex approahces
Since it's laughable to assume it could camouflage, the Galli obviously sees the massive rex approaching
Runs away
Hunt over

Therefore : rex is unviable

[white elm]

...ambush something on land? Not happening because you want it to stay completely still while ambushing. Ambushing something in water? Come on. Do I need to explain? Really?

[urban flax]

Why is it not happening

[limber hull]

why would it not be able to do either

on land it's low enough to blend into grass and bushes

in water well

deinosuchus works

[white elm]

[urban flax]

That's exactly how I said
You refuse to acknowledge any argument in favor of it, even simple common sense, concentrating all of your brain power into proving it cannot be viable

[urban flax]

Looks like you need to explain then, why titanoboa can' tdo something herrera and deino can both do with a similar ability

[limber hull]

the concept that it wouldn't work because you said it doesn't work doesn't work for me

there is no concrete evidence that once-and-for-all concretely states that titanoboa wouldn't work

[white elm]

Neither does the concept that it will work because it has climbing and swimming

I guess we're even

[limber hull]

it being low to the ground, quiet, and able to move in land, tree and water would make it extremely multi-facated. It's not a matter of how fast it is, it's a matter of how well it can ambush, and it has so many varying angles of possible attack

from water to land, from tree to land, from tree to water, from land to water

[urban flax]

From land to tree

[limber hull]

megalania likely won't be fast but it will also likely have stuff to do with swimming and burrows to compensate

if megalania works, titanoboa should by all the same metrics

[white elm]

😔

[white elm]

[limber hull]

well see i actually gave examples of how it could work, you've just said that "it's slow" (which we've given an example of how that doesn't matter because it has a plethora of escape options), "it's can't jump" (which it doesn't need to because it is not purely arboreal and has a plethora of unique hunting options and angles), so on

like you're allowed to hate it sure but saying it will never work is provably untrue

[white elm]

Still don't work for me idk what to say lol

[limber hull]

sure, you're allowed to dislike it

i just will never subscribe to the defeatist ideology of "will never work"

that is the antithesis of creative thinking and game design

it was one of my greatest weaknesses when i first started out as a game designer, but i later discovered that it's better to try and see if something CAN work rather than deciding it CAN'T

yes, i dislike carchar, and i say "it wouldn't work", but that's because of its lack of creative potential, not a lack of viability. I believe everything on the roster can work with enough creative thought put into it

[urban flax]

Without a great amount of creativity, this game wouldn't even exist

[normal shuttle]

Magy will destroy Titanoboa

That is for sure

[urban flax]

low-effort bait

[normal shuttle]

Unironically

Anyways, maybe this is more like balance feedback, but I gotta draw my idea for a dilo venom rework

[limber hull]

sure, but then the titanoboa climbs a tree or dives and now it's safe :)

[normal shuttle]

Working more as some sort of damage multiplier/stacker with the clones instead of them doing actual damage and also adding a “wither effect” to your health and blood so you can’t tell

[normal shuttle]

Magy can use a ballistic missile

[jade musk]

@limber hull and @urban flax you guys are goated those are exactly the ideas I was thinking when I wrote the suggestion the ambush clips alone would be worth it on a unsuspecting deino thinking he is king of the water only to be tangled up and suffocated in the one thing he thought he ruled or some poor sole cruising through the jungle thinking he's alone only to get snapped up by what he thought was just a log in the tall grass 🤌🤌

[frank tapir]

pretty small deino to get killed by a titanoboa

[limber hull]

ye

[frank tapir]

don't exactly think it would've thought it was the king of the water at that size

[edgy flax]

😔

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
I'd agree if it wasn't for the long unlatch countdown

[jade musk]

I think the fact u guys argued about it for around 2hrs means something is there and also thanks it's good to see/feel like my suggestion didn't fall on deaf ears regardless of outcome

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message the stun and recovery should be much shorter than it currently is but ye

[urban flax]

Just to make things clear, I'm not really in favor in Titanoboa to be added. Not in the foreseeable future that is
But I hate it when people disregard every upside of an actually interesting suggestion just because they don't like it

It's not like we already have anything like titanoboa in the roster

[jade musk]

I get that and I agree it definitely would take sometime but I also thinks it adds a little different flavor to the roster

[feral otter]

#general-feedback message for smaller things like troodon allowing them to not be knocked off by bushes and other smaller obstacles would be a good change, while keeping the knock down for foliage on omnis. i think this would balance it well as omni has grapple and can punch up way more than say a troodon could. this also gives more incentive to play as troodon as you would have a easier time hunting in jungles, which is mainly what its showed off to be good at doing

[urban flax]

It does
It's definitely not the same thing as asking for tarbo or yutyrannus

[feral otter]

• they need to fix the knockdown duration of omnis pounce, it literally stays still in its idle animation unable to do anything for another 2 seconds after the recovery animation is complete, which makes no sense and makes it seem like a bug which most players don’t even notice anymore

[zealous citrus]

#general-feedback message @topaz kestrel I think ambient sounds in the editor would be nice, a few roars and chirps + trees rustling, But agreed defo shouldn't be too loud

[normal shuttle]

@spiral tiger care to list any of those useless features?

[hidden mist]

Last two sentences are put extremely funny together. They literally contradict.

[limber hull]

PoT player spotted

screw features that actually make the game fun add a new dino

[normal shuttle]

Real

Just add new dinos, doesn’t matter that they’re the exact same or have nothing unique attached to them

Screw trike and rex sparring or herra climbing, just give us the model with the animations and stats

[limber hull]

PoT is like a football field sized kiddie pool

it looks big from the outside but once you get in you realise how shallow it really is

also there's a lot of hotspots

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

Insane comparison

[limber hull]

am i wrong

i want you to correct me on anything i've said so far

because frankly i'm quite impressed with how clever that was and i'm riding the high of it

[normal shuttle]

I don’t know about the last line

Because I don’t play it currently, but the second and first seem very adequate

[faint folio]

To be fair, I think the game encourages hot spots by design - dinos don't reset to baby to disincentivize dying, and 2-3 areas have way more food, water, and resources for quests than others. It seems intentional for the style of game they're aiming for

The isle on the other hand, is trying to avoid permanent hot spots

[normal shuttle]

@unreal ridge sounds like such a fun and engaging game when you cannot engage with other apexes at all because even the tiniest bit of lag or some low effort ambush will end with your 8-10 hours gone in an instant after one button press

[coarse spruce]

Herrerasaurus' dewlap

[silent stream]

idk how i feel about PoT on a deeper level. First impression was horrible, uninstalled and try again a year later then repeat the process

havent played BoB in a while but last time a played i left because the community felt hella toxic. Really liked the game tho. Love the approach they have

[covert tiger]

#general-feedback message

The fact that this got negative votes is probably the best proof of how ridiculous the anti raptor cult bias is in this discord

[icy lion]

I just dont want growth times to get shortened

Like 30 min for a troodon at +100%? Really?

(if discord is linking me to the wrong measage my bad, im on mobile and it sucks at this)

[covert tiger]

Eh okay the troodon part is overkill
But the other 2 make perfect sense given their relative size to other things

[normal shuttle]

Is the anti raptor bias in the room with us right now?

[covert tiger]

It is always lurking in the corner

[normal shuttle]

@bitter depot git gud. Ptera stamina in flight is goated, it just needs some game knowledge and skill to be handled properly and cross half of the map in a few minutes while losing 20% at best

[normal shuttle]

Omni needs bug fixes and little else 😭

Let it go bruv, accept the cosmic truth

[covert tiger]

neverrrr

[hidden pilot]

Plus the new wind currents

[covert tiger]

You know, I don't even play Omni that much?
I just hate something tiny and weak be targeted by bias that's all

Well, I used to, I have like 100+ hrs on it, but not that much anymore

[normal shuttle]

Omniraptor players when they are not granted every privilege and are still a solid pick for survival without accounting for lag or bugs

[normal shuttle]

And the rework to make it more terrestrial

[hidden pilot]

[woeful latch]

why do people want omni buffs? it’s in a good spot right now, if we ignore the desync

the biggest omni problem is not the playable itself, but its playerbase

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

[silent stream]

Can someone TLDR me if humans are still planned ? Returning player here

[urban flax]

they are

[woeful latch]

they are

[woeful latch]

lol

[hidden pilot]

Look around

[limber basin]

Yoh

Any Cera or Carno eggs?

[silent stream]

wrong place for that

[limber basin]

Oh sorry, i'm new to the game

[golden horizon]

Omni has big problems like getting stuck on a pounce, animations being bugged inside pounced targets, getting stuck on object after jumping off a pounce, attack speed slower than carno's and etc.

[woeful latch]

yeah, just a bug, not balance issue

[limber basin]

Were could i ask it?

[golden horizon]

Those bugs has been in the game for ages, which makes omni ultra weak, and not to mention you get punished for having bad teammates

[limber basin]

Where*

[woeful latch]

yes, that’s what i mean by saying that omnis worst enemy is its own playerbase

[golden horizon]

I've made bug report for gettings stuck on pounced targets months ago, but still hasn't been fixed

[silent stream]

There are server chat channels #evrima-na for example

[woeful latch]

there’s huge difference between coordinated pack and just randoms

[limber basin]

Thanks! Sorry for the mistake

[golden horizon]

It would be much better to play if they made it so you couldn't pounce your own teammates

[woeful latch]

imo no. just be more coordinated, that’s all i can say

[golden horizon]

atleast then it would encourge you to teamup with randoms

[woeful latch]

it’s not just omni problem, tenos kick each other a lot during the fights, you just need to be more careful

[woeful latch]

just canceling pin animation faster will fix the issue tbf

[golden horizon]

1 teno kick doesn't kill the other, but an omni pounce can kill the other omni

[woeful latch]

but you force pin for like 1-2 seconds for some reason

[woeful latch]

depends what you’re fighting

[golden horizon]

u can't control the other persons character, so how would that help ?

[woeful latch]

teno is small too compared to stego for example, friendly fire is common issue, it’s not omni exclusive

[golden horizon]

Everything can kill you if you get pounce by your own teammate, teno, maia, stego, carno, dilo, cera

[woeful latch]

if your teammate pinned you it can cancel the pin animation faster

[woeful latch]

that’s why omnis should be able to cancel pin animation faster, problem solved

removing ability to pin your teammates completely is questionable

[golden horizon]

How? I cant cancel my own teammates pin

[woeful latch]

well it’s up to your teammate to do that

[desert arch]

Exactly, how would I canni my stupid teammates otherwise

[golden horizon]

Exactly, I shouldnt be punished for my teammates mistakes

[woeful latch]

👹👹👹

(canni omni is the best omni, because funny oneshot mechanic)

[golden horizon]

I should only be punished for my own mistakes

[woeful latch]

it’s literally the same when you’re any other dino, if my teno teammate kicked me how’s that my fault?

[golden horizon]

It makes it so you only go solo omni, which they aren't designed for

[golden horizon]

It's not your fault, but it doesnt kill you

I never said it was your fault lol

[woeful latch]

what if i’m fighting something bigger

[golden horizon]

Like a deino ?

[woeful latch]

what if i’m fighting stego and my teammate just kicked me, it does stun

[golden horizon]

Why would you fight a stego ?

[woeful latch]

i’m just saying, its not omni exclusive issue, its the same for everyone

[woeful latch]

no reason, it’s just an example

[golden horizon]

THose are not comparriable, herbis dont have to hunt other herbis, but carnis has to hunt to survive

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, it was just an example

[golden horizon]

It was a bad one

[woeful latch]

any dino can friendly fire

[woeful latch]

not at all, literally the same problem

other teno kicked me, im locked in animation and im getting killed, same with omni pinning another one, locking in animation and getting killed

[silent stream]

I am moving the topic from balancing for Herbie boring gameplay with another suggestion. Wolves and Big Cats AI that will attack herbivores/omnivores.

• You will hear them to spawn so its rare that you cant navigate around them or that you will surprisingly die from these AI.
  -They will be more attracted/aggroed to bigger herbies so juvies will be less likely to be in trouble from them
• They will be made so stronger herbies can easily kill them and faster herbies can easily outrun away.
• Goal: make herbie play a bit more exciting and alerted, also giving carnivores an extra tool to use for ambushing herbies.
• Stronger herbies will easily kill them but will still get a bit damaged and have a bit of bleed.
  -Wolves would spawn in packs that splits off attacking the same target, they would take turns charging at the herbie if it stops fleeing
• Big cats will try to pounce on the target similar to a raptor after which if it doesnt kill it (which it will almost never happen) will get stunned giving the herbie a big chance to run away or kill the cat. If it misses the pounce it also gets stunned.
• It should be somehow made so this AI wont affect younger vulnerable herbies

[golden horizon]

You're not locked in an animation, you are stunned for a sec, but when you get pounced by another omni, you will get locked in animation unless your teammate releases you, I shouldnt be having to explain this

[woeful latch]

that second is enough to get killed or take damage, same issue.

if you get pinned by another omni it’s not always 100% death too lol

[golden horizon]

You're being very disingenuous if you compare teno kick with omni pounce they are completley diffrent mechanics, i cant help you if you don't understand this

[woeful latch]

lmao, you’re taking this way too personal and getting aggressive

literally the same issue, you’re getting animation locked with friendly fire, it’s not omni exclusive

just be careful and you won’t get pinned, get better, that’s my only advice

[woven bane]

when will you realize that some things cannot be compared

[woeful latch]

you’re just a silly cat flows

[tardy talon]

The problem isn't that omnis can pounce each other on accident, the problem is pounce is so buggy.

[normal shuttle]

The problem is omni

[urban flax]

LOL
That's ridiculous

[silent stream]

Ridiculously fun yeah

[urban flax]

Imagine dying to a wolf pack as anything bigger than a dryo
A wull-grown wild wolf is 40 kg

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-read-reads-reading-gif-8306972760366531490

[urban flax]

Big cats are barely larger

Also hunting AI is cringe

[normal shuttle]

Tenos would be flat out invulnerable

Let alone a PLAYER CONTROLLED teno

Imagine a dibble or a stego

[urban flax]

The thrill of playing a prey animal comes from outsmarting other players and/or beating them in a fight, not murdering hordes of AI wolves

[normal shuttle]

True

It’s far more thrilling and interesting to be chased by unpredictable players and having to fight them off or flee from them

[deft fossil]

so basically just adding saber tooth tigers

[normal shuttle]

And it’s total bs that herbis can get away from everything that gives them trouble and are stronger than those faster than them

Like, you know

Dilo packs? Omnis? Competent carnos? Cera ambushing? Hello???

Also absurd and arbitrary that they wouldn’t attack younger specimens when that is literally how big cats and wolves work

[silent stream]

I have to get out of my to put myself in those situation, its definately not bs

[normal shuttle]

Yeah let’s just target the adult Pachy instead of a fresh spawn dibble

[silent stream]

they work however theyre programmed to

[normal shuttle]

Haven’t you considered that perhaps your single teno experience might have been very very far from being impartial and an objective representative of how the herbivore gameplay loop goes?

[urban flax]

What is the point of them anyway ?
Turn herbivore life from boring to boring AND annoying ?

[silent stream]

its not a single experience and its not about tenos, you're hooking yourself up on singular arguments

[normal shuttle]

Okay

How many times have you played teno

What did threaten you

[normal shuttle]

^ also this

The remedy is worse than the disease

[deft fossil]

the very nasty and evil threatening plant bush

[normal shuttle]

Like man, tenos ARE food for many things. They are just very good and well balanced, easily the most well rounded playable at the moment alongside cera without being an omnipresent powerhouse

[deft fossil]

117 in queue cause the new nvidea drivers black screened my pc

[normal shuttle]

They are food for non clueless omni packs , dilo packs at night who know what they’re doing, ceras who get to ambush or in a sizable group, carnos with braincells, deinos, maybe even some large troodon pack…

[silent stream]

no theyre not lol

[normal shuttle]

All of those have the clear potential to kill a tenontosaurus

[stable crow]

Yes they are?

[normal shuttle]

Oh, excuse me then, didn’t know that a teno could survive

getting dragged to the water by a deino

Or getting the venom from 3-4 dilos

Or getting grappled to the ground by several omnis while others bite its head

Or more than 4 charged bites in the head from a cera

Or a pair of competent carnos who don’t walk into your rear

Yeah no teno ignores game stats and straight up survives all of that

[woeful latch]

tbf one dilo is enough….

-# i hate diloszzz…

[stable crow]

:')

[normal shuttle]

Same

I wanna suggest a rework soon

[silent stream]

dilos die so fast, i cant believe anyone is having troubles vs them

[normal shuttle]

Mfw their clones start working and a single bite can deal like +1k damage without them ever engaging again

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[normal shuttle]

Or when you survice one and get away just for the venom to literally kill you randomly without a clone biting you

Yeah man if you die to dilos you’re bad

Truly not out of touch what you’re saying

[silent stream]

Every dilo i've packed with aggrees that we should not engage vs adult tenos and every dilo that tried to kill me as a teno died. 2 tenos can take down 3-4 dilos easily

[woeful latch]

dilo is just face tank and m2 till prey is dead

[woeful latch]

because clones are not working right now

not in evrima

[silent stream]

Why are you telling me this lmao Titanboa keeps bringing things up that have nothing to to with what im saying

[woeful latch]

one bite from the dilo during nighttime is enough to kill the teno or anything smaller, just bite once and let the clones do the work, it’s simple

[silent stream]

diverting the topic so far

[woeful latch]

wasn’t topic dilo related tho?

[silent stream]

nothing about it lmao it was about predating AI

[normal shuttle]

Yet it has relation to the same topic of allegedly trying to make herbivore gameplay more interesting

[silent stream]

Yesss

[normal shuttle]

And well, if we wanna be strict and stick to the topic of the idea you proposed here, why? Herbivores already have 60-70% of the server’s population as things that can eat them. Only problem with them right now is that we have no dedicated big game hunter that is bigger than omni

Even stegos and dibble herds will have something to worry about constantly when there’s sub rexes running around

[urban flax]

And wolves would absolutely not solve that lol

[silent stream]

well the thing is that 70% is not trying to eat them

[woeful latch]

oh lol, i didn’t read the messages above i guess

[silent stream]

most adult herbies just suicide

[normal shuttle]

Exactly too. They would only threaten stuff like pachies at most without making them totally absurd without redemption

[normal shuttle]

Most stegos sure, and some dibbles and tenos too when there’s no carnivores nearby

But so many herbivores die of predation or getting killed by other herbivores

[silent stream]

Gallis, ducks and every other preyish species just suicides on adulthood

they almost never die to predation

They get bored, kill themselves and make a carni

AI would probably encourage carni's to attack herbies more if that AI somewhat helps them get successful hunts

[normal shuttle]

Could you give me the numbers or are you just making up the assumption instead of taking some logical explanation for it that is totally defensible?

For example, I could agree with stegos because there’s nearly nothing that can kill them other than cannis or cera groups when they’re absolutely terrible at the game

There’s no other way, they just die on their own to swap dinos since they get no interaction

[silent stream]

I am not making assumptions its an universal experience in the game

[normal shuttle]

But tenos? Maias? Dibbles even? Dryos?

[normal shuttle]

Back it up then

It should be easy if it something everyone has experienced

Come on, gimme the numbers as a person who has only jumped off cliffs when adult as stego and dibble

Surveys? Anything works

[silent stream]

What do you mean back it up lmao join the community. I aint making a survey just for you

[normal shuttle]

Assuming something is obvious and universal and then telling people to look at the community as if it was obvious to not bring up sources

Even though no one in this chat other than you would agree

[silent stream]

people aggreed on the suicide thing previous time we talked about it

[normal shuttle]

@woeful latch hey chee, do you think most herbivores and omnivores just off themselves because their life is boring?

@urban flax what are your thoughts too? You think jumping off a cliff or drowning makes up for most of the deaths of those two factions?

[normal shuttle]

Where?

and even then it’s laughable that you are considering something universal because a handful of people agreed with you in something in a discord chat

[silent stream]

Its always the herbie bloodlust that kicks in and a herbie starts to go aggressively against carnies until it dies

The only thing that prevents the bloodlust for now is the nesting option but provided you have another one of your species online AND it's of the opposite sex and adult is a fat chance

[normal shuttle]

By that rule of three, I guess I am extremely pretty and crazy smart because my close family tells me so

Stephen Hawking brain but Leonardo DiCaprio cover

[silent stream]

bro went mental

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[urban flax]

no

[woeful latch]

ohhh herbivores life is everything but boring, considering there’s like 3 or 4 times the amount of carnivores on the map compared to herbivores, i think it’s just stego that is rather boring since almost no one wants to mess with you

[normal shuttle]

I am just exposing the ridicule of that argument. I know it’s just a game after all in fact it’s just discord

Doesn’t make the argument any less flawed

[normal shuttle]

Fr they’re always after you. It happened since update 0 and still happens, they are chased for all of eternity

[woeful latch]

it’s 2:1 amount of carnivores even on petits, the server with no overpacks and meta mutations, on officials it’s… honestly scary how small the herbivore population is.

if you really got bored just go to the SP or HL and have some fun fighting mixpackers and cera hordes

but i do not recommend that, solo herbivore on officials is a hardcore experience lmao

[silent stream]

they hunt each other mostly, not herbies

[woeful latch]

they hunt everything they see

[silent stream]

eh not really

they dont wanna lose their dino so they go for easier kills which is usually other carnis

[woeful latch]

hm, no, ceras are majority and they’re the slowest one, so the only thing they can hunt are the herbivores or other ceras

and they just overpack and run around the map killing things

[normal shuttle]

Real

Ceras who aren’t cannibals are bad ceras

[silent stream]

Ceras are mostly in the highlands lakes trying to camp diablos tbh

[woeful latch]

so real

[woeful latch]

i see them everywhere, there’s HUGE packs at the north east lake

[silent stream]

I was in a massive pack of raptors and we chose to hunt down 2 carnos and later a cera rather than a teno with 2 gallis, cuz of course we will, it's safer and more reliable hunt. I was a teno that was just sitting and i had carnos and ceras duking out with each other instead of going for me because going for me makes no sense. It's rarely a logical sense for carnivores to hunt down herbies and the herbie player base is dying out more and more cuz of boredome.

Excuse me that I'm trying to find ways to make the game better lmao

[silent stream]

happens

[woeful latch]

also SP

[woeful latch]

i basically camp north east at this point, i kill all the ceras i can find.

[silent stream]

doing the Lord's work

[woeful latch]

real🔥

it’s less of a hotspot so the max amount of ceras i found there was 6-7, but its usually 2-3 which is doable

[silent stream]

I stopped going to highlands lake for water and grow my diablos in the waterless part and walk all the way to the river for water lmao

[woeful latch]

oh..

tbf i never go to the highlands, i hate that place, can’t wait for highlands rework

[silent stream]

real

highlands and swamps are very weird

[woeful latch]

swamps are just so empty..

[silent stream]

Favorite spot to grow herbies for that reason lmao, not even crocs are there cuz if they stay there they just starve

[woeful latch]

lmao fair

[normal shuttle]

I prefer northern jungle ngl

I just like the layout of water access overall

And also you got two ponds one of which never has deinos

[woeful latch]

the old east plains?

oh nvm

[pliant elm]

Oh, nobody liked my suggestion about the carnotaurus diet

[normal shuttle]

Replacing herra (such a free kill for carno) with cerato is a bizarre choice to say the least

And why not just add dilo without removing dryo which is also viable prey?

[pliant elm]

Carnivore diets have a fixed number of foods that may differ from herbivores.

[normal shuttle]

Don’t get it

[pliant elm]

There is a maximum number of each dino/bot that can be in the diet

There are usually 4 dinos/bot per diet. 4 lipids, 4 carbs etc.

[normal shuttle]

Really? That’s a bit dumb ngl

If anything I would just take away Diablo or even Maia if you wanna put dilo

[pliant elm]

Dillo not is S

[normal shuttle]

And honestly cera is such a bizarre choice when herras are such easy pickings

[normal shuttle]

Replace it with maia then

Maia is lipids

Although to be honest I think that diet system has to go

We’re better off with some changes or a small rework

[pliant elm]

It's not necessary, 3 carno can hunt 1 Maia alone

[normal shuttle]

Because getting diets from meat of certain species is gonna be miserable with many playables

[normal shuttle]

And 1 carno can hunt 1 dilo

[pliant elm]

Yes

And not to mention that there are no dryo players and it's also very small

[normal shuttle]

Its gonna suck so much when there’s 50-60 playables in your selection screen and half of those aren’t around or there’s like 2 of them in the whole server

That’s just dumb and I hope diets get some much needed changes

[pliant elm]

Dryo doesn't give enough food for the carno, replacing it will literally only help. Same with herrera

[normal shuttle]

Cera in carno diet is so regardless

[pliant elm]

Nah, that would help clean up the plague that cerato is from the servers

[normal shuttle]

I just think the diet system is bad ngl

Maybe that’s also why I have a hard time accepting tweaks to the current system

I would rather upvote a rework for it

[normal shuttle]

Ceras will fade as soon as rex shows up even if you don’t touch cera balance wise

Their population is gonna dip

[pliant elm]

Well, it would be nice if they could just add instead of replacing the diet, but the devs don't want that since they swapped dillo for maia.

[white elm]

Imagine something having Beipi in its diet in the final game lmao

Good like finding a semi that isn't Bary, Spino, Deino, or sucho

[normal shuttle]

Yeah hence why I would like changes to that. It just won’t work otherwise and everything will run around with a 50% boost at best unless they’re cannibals/pred of a very common species

[white elm]

Even in the current game, if you have Hypsi on your diet that's just an automatic loss of one diet option

Good luck finding Hypsis consistently

Like finding a Hypsi on my Herrera, let alone killing one, is so hard

[normal shuttle]

Real

I think there’s many ways to go to fix this without the need of intensive development work though

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message @brittle kiln why only omnieraptors ? 😆

[normal shuttle]

For example what about making organs give so much more nutrients regardless of the animal or the size it has? As in not making it proportional to the food it gives

While also meat providing more food so both are necessary

That would be relatively easy to do while also being an effective bandaid

So for example the organs of a dryo can give something like a 70-80% perfect diet to a carno

But very little food compared to the meat so both need to be eaten and corpses aren’t left there rotting after all their valuable resources have been taken

[white elm]

And remove them/decrease their value from carnis

[woeful latch]

yes lol

[covert tiger]

Make no sense for a small game hunter to have small game removed
The only diet change which is needed is adding dilo back as lines

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message why would anyone downvote this

[thick summit]

because it'd only create even more META

people wouldn't use mutations until they need them

[gritty heart]

I mean catching a beipi for food is already basically pointless. Even if you snag it you get about 3 bites

[night obsidian]

Okay, I didn't even think of people would be doing this. Fair point.

[tame jetty]

@spice orbit #general-feedback message Also you should add to your scroll bar suggestion too- that the chat shouldnt REFRESH automaticlly each time something is said if you're scrolling upwards (regarding of using the scroller on the side or not)

[lime fern]

can anyone help with the zoomed in title screen on the evrima update

[spice orbit]

thats what I meant, I rephrased it now

[spice orbit]

wdym?

[tame jetty]

awesom

[spice orbit]

#isle-fan-art message
would love to see The Isle cooperating with talented fella like this, think smth like this would go wild on merch. Make community polls with designs by community, release them limited and share part of the profit with the designer. I think this would be an awesome act, makin everyone very happy

I see so much unused potential

[white elm]

#general-feedback message but... saltwater makes you vomit...

[coarse spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-austroraptor-evrima-the-isle-gif-13614323030079863274

if austro isn't as played at least as frequently as pachy (after the hype is gone) then I think the devs have done something wrong

[spice orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/push-loop-infinite-gif-26761476

[spice orbit]

I think thats evrimas strength, every species to have a special ability makin it fun not regarding its size. I mean at the moment the smallest like hypsi, dryo, beipi cant unfold their full potential, climbs missing, burrows missing, aqualife missing. But I think players will always have fun hopping on a more chill playstyle and faster grow after loosing a 10 hour rex grow or so. Damn Im so hyped about austro, I frickin love the concept

[coarse spruce]

pleasedon'thavepouncepleasedon'thavepouncepleasedon'thavepounce

[spice orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/cuneiform-the-mole-people-secret-message-magnifying-glass-ruins-gif-18789072

hmmmm it must mean " please let it have pounce"

[coarse spruce]

ARG

[spice orbit]

austro fish pounce?

no fr wdym?

[coarse spruce]

I'm hoping its not gonna have a pounce identical to omni and troodon

complete with pin to boot

There's currently no indication it will, but I'm paranoid because it is a raptor and it does have a sickle claw

[spice orbit]

austroraptor??

[coarse spruce]

a ground-to-water fishing pounce would be rad though

[spice orbit]

I cant imagine those skinny arms pinning anything down tbh, dont worry

[gritty heart]

beipi is the only playable with full oceanic capability, since with salt-reabsorb it can live off crabs in the sea foreever

[coarse spruce]

I imagine that coastal regions will get updates

otherwise protoceratops will have no customers

[spice orbit]

besides that its just very boring to live like that at the moment, cause there are no other playables except deinos habiting that biomes, ocean biome will probably come very late aswell

yall saw that ocean concept drawings?

[coarse spruce]

Yep, it gets reposted a lot. I have an inkling that people are pretty excited for it but who knows

[gritty heart]

I'm not sure

[spice orbit]

and the quality is dropping with every repost lol

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message what do u mean by “patch it” lmao

[spice orbit]

#isle-phase-three message

the original post

[silent stream]

gosh i love dilos

[gritty heart]

interesting. some of the ai options seem a tad large. But the sea looks alot more interesting than "sand hole"

[spice orbit]

yee, now start imagine those colorful coralriffs and seetang

[gritty heart]

yeah, could be quite fun, especialy for smaller playables.

[late plank]

doesnt elder system make you die?

[icy lion]

We're not sure if you'll be forced to die on default settings, but death will be rewarded

[late plank]

rather die than be old and frail

[normal shuttle]

Actually

From what we know elders are gonna be stronger at least for most of the elder bracket

It’s a literal weight and health increase

Likely accompanied with damage too

I think I recall TS1 saying that for example rex was gonna hit 11 tons or at least that’s what the placeholder files said