general-feedback-discussion

[fathom tulip]

Just dive bombing into spikes

[woeful latch]

hm.. idk about passive damage, because i think it just won’t work.

but maybe they’ll will make it so it damages with the spikes only when it’s using its power swing animation?

tho idk if it will have the same power swing mechanic

(but i want it to have it)

[woeful latch]

yeah lmaoo

[fathom tulip]

Kentro IRL weight is in the 700–1,600kg range, where do you think it should be in The Isle?

[woeful latch]

1600

🥹🥹🥹

[fathom tulip]

So same as Teno right?

[woeful latch]

yeah

i don’t want it to be bigger, i would rather choose the agility and speed

[fathom tulip]

Honestly I'd even be fine with it being smaller (depending on how good its defensive capabilities are)

[woeful latch]

yeah

[fathom tulip]

Just please give it good color options instead of what most Herbis get 🙏

[woeful latch]

🥹😭

[woven bane]

i think it should be 1.2T, decently big but not on the heavy side. prehistoric porcupine

[gloomy reef]

do people just hate... to hate?

what benefit is there to hearing rain in the skin creator

@bleak agate

[fathom tulip]

Thats not the issue with the skin creator! The issue is that dang vine that droops down right over the names for skins!

I hate that vine!

[fathom tulip]

AAHHH

[gloomy reef]

make a feedback ill upvote it prob

i want admins to start muting people for just downvoting on posts for NO REASON. can we fix a bug for teras gameplay sake (random guy)"nah"

[fathom tulip]

@south dome you can just mute the application until you are connecting? Look at your taskbar you should see volume sliders

[south dome]

Why should I have to mute the entire game to get rid of a sound that should be mutable in game. In those long queues you gotta listen for when you log back in, so when the game is muted you can miss that and possibly die if you crashed last. I don't see why they can't just let us mute the loud computer noises that serve no gameplay purpose

[fathom tulip]

It's like two extra clicks. You can also put it in windowed mode until you log in so you can keep an eye on it. I'm telling you these things because there's an almost 0% chance they add a volume slider in game specfically for the main menu background sounds. It's a problem you are more likely than not going to have to make your own solutions for

[south dome]

Honestly it should be in the game already, really it should be completely silent already but no, we gotta have it the inconvenient way

Make me wait in queue for an hour and listen to the same drone of computers on and on Jesus I get it it's the past but future

[woeful latch]

i think you should chill out and care less about downvotes lmao, instead of pinging everyone who disagrees with you💀

the isle makes you go insane

[woeful latch]

“let’s ban people for having wrong opinions”

no? it’s someones opinion, respect it, or ignore it.

[gloomy reef]

read what i said then read what u said

[fathom tulip]

[gloomy reef]

[fathom tulip]

LOL

[gloomy reef]

😭

[woeful latch]

that was what you meant lol

and you know what’s funny?

[gloomy reef]

wait u know telekinesis? sickk dude

[woeful latch]

the devs don’t care about the downvotes, like they literally don’t

so should you

[gloomy reef]

so.. why add downvotes then devs

[woeful latch]

to see what’s the communities opinion on stuff, it doesn’t mean if they see a downvote they will change their mind lol

[gloomy reef]

but they dont care if theres a downvote so they dont care about the communites opinoin on stuff?

[woeful latch]

there’s nothing that can change their mind btw, they do what they want to do

[gloomy reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261041191055790201/1305363002089930762/attachment.gif

[woeful latch]

downvotes is probably the last thing they care about. they read stuff anyway

[gloomy reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035973636290510870/1320797698466517143/broo.gif

[woeful latch]

you’re so mad about people downvoting stuff you want mods to ban them💀
chill out, like actually

[gloomy reef]

bro i said mute them wdym ban them?

where did u get that from

[woeful latch]

mute*

[gloomy reef]

MUTE for downvoting randomly on posts without reason

[woeful latch]

doesn’t even matter lmao, doesn’t change stuff, you want to punish people who have different opinions

and that’s so funny to me

[gloomy reef]

i could make a post about fixing a bug and somone would most likley downvote it

[icy lion]

Literally impossible to moderate and overall a waste of our time

[woeful latch]

nice, who cares?

[gloomy reef]

certain opinoins shouldnt be listened to

[gloomy reef]

me because i paid for a "working" game

[woeful latch]

because you said so?

[icy lion]

Then report the bug in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

And you paid for an early access game, and opted into a beta branch for said game

[gloomy reef]

no everyone agrees certain opinions shouldn't be listened to, unless you dont care about ANYTHING.

[gloomy reef]

just because i paided for a early acess game doesnt mean it can be how ever much buggy and laggy the devs can make it

[woeful latch]

what i care about is people having different opinions, even if things they suggest are silly or won’t work, it’s still an opinion.

muting people for downvotes is just some next level of craziness

[icy lion]

Then report the bugs and issues you find in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[woeful latch]

you had 2 weeks to get your money back if you bought it on steam

[gloomy reef]

i was using that as an example not like acc thing lol

[gloomy reef]

no.. i had 2 hours of gameplay and 2 weeks if i didnt play

and i paid for the version of the game they abandoned legacy 😭

not this..

[woeful latch]

you can still play legacy tho? they didn’t remove it

[gloomy reef]

i never said they did

i said they abandoned it

[fathom tulip]

[gloomy reef]

that means any bugs hackers ect wont be delt with Maybe on community servers hacks get banned but not the main bugs

[woeful latch]

and evrima being in its early access is ten times better than any other dino game

[gloomy reef]

<- me -> cheesy

[gloomy reef]

. pot is way better then the isle currently

[woeful latch]

AHAH sure, evrima dibble probably has more animations and mechanics than whole pot

but no one is stopping you from just deleting the isle and playing pot if you like it so much

[gloomy reef]

mechanics?? bro what dibble has around main 4 mechanics POT has ALOT of attacks skin types armor types

[gloomy reef]

who says i have to delete the isle to play pot?

[woeful latch]

it’s better than crying in this chat about people downvoting your post

[gloomy reef]

my posts? im complaining of people just downvoting for DOWNVOTING

[woeful latch]

or don’t, no one stops you from playing pot

[woeful latch]

nice, care less about that

[gloomy reef]

and that just shows how un optimized the animations are

[woeful latch]

and you have no idea what people think about when they downvote, so saying that is actually crazy, you can’t read minds

[gloomy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/fling-gif-9970652536355736438

[icy lion]

Huh?

[gloomy reef]

thats why i pinged them

[gloomy reef]

he says theres more animations in the dibble alone then the entirety of pot

[icy lion]

How can animations be unoptimized?

[gloomy reef]

if thats true then that shows how unoptimized the animations are

[woeful latch]

that’s another crazy thing you did, pinging random dude who downvoted the post💀 will you ping every single one of them?

[gloomy reef]

bro there has to be code to support the animations

[icy lion]

There isn't, it was a joke. Though each individual dino in evrima likely has more than each individual in PoT

[gloomy reef]

i pinged the only PERSON who downvoted a good post

[vital laurel]

what

[woeful latch]

yes!

[gloomy reef]

LEGACY servers

[icy lion]

Legacy

[icy lion]

So you're saying the Isle is more mechanically in depth then?

[gloomy reef]

so...dont make jokes when it comes to saying a game in early access is better then a game which isnt and is way better then the early access game

[gloomy reef]

no im saying the isle is very poorly unoptimized if they have ATON of animations with ATON of code supporting those animations

[icy lion]

I haven't played PoT in a hot minute but I never saw anything even close to diablo's sparring

[vital laurel]

legacy is borken and there are only unoffical servers left lol

[gloomy reef]

1 mechanic pot doesnt have.. 1 mechanic

[vital laurel]

huh

[short nacelle]

POT uses skeletons that have related classes so they can apply general level animations to each dino.

Evirma does not do that at all

[icy lion]

So it's better to have an extremely simple game with simple dinos like legacy?

[gloomy reef]

why dont they then

[short nacelle]

because do you want a cheeky tail whip thats the same on every dino

[gloomy reef]

no get something like pot

[icy lion]

The Isle devs don't want to reuse animations or skeletons between dinos because they want each one to be unique and have a personality to them

[gloomy reef]

no im saying for the animations not the attacks

[gloomy reef]

Ok but they want to reuse old models from legacy ok

[vital laurel]

that would rly only help with saving GBs and evrima is already very well optimized with the space

[short nacelle]

the animations go with the attacks, so in POT if they want to add Tailwhip not only can they apply the attack to every dino, but they can appy its preset animations

[woeful latch]

huh? evrima is arguably better than any other dino survival game. animations, gameplay, sound-design.

all the pot calls are boring and awful. the animations are horrible and don’t look natural at all. gameplay is collecting rocks and sticks to grow. pvp is just clicking. most dinos are generic and boring.

evrima is made with love, made by people who love dinosaurs, evrima doesn’t have micro transactions.

again, evrima being in early access 10 times better than ANY other dino game

[hidden mist]

They still polish them and rig from zero probably though, because it’s a new engine.

[short nacelle]

i far prefer Evirmas approach, lets all be unique as it should

[icy lion]

Yea some of the legacy models still fit their vision for the dinos, others are being remodeled

[vital laurel]

okay okay, but what gameplay does evrima have? Dont throw stones if you live in a glass house lol

[gloomy reef]

ok im not gnna lie with u i kinda giggle when u said evrima is made with love bro, its no where near to pot yet maybe in the future but at the isles current state pot is better then it in graphics attacks mechanics things to do ect. Made with people who love dinosaurs but dont want to make them accurate to dinosaurs ❤️ Pot calls are not boring bro idk what calls u using but they are way better then the 1 2 3 and 4 calls we have in evrima.

[vital laurel]

they have refined them quiet well though, textures look better and they don't clip during animations like some dinos do in legacy

[short nacelle]

POT feels like bumper cars

[gloomy reef]

they edited the models abit redone textures and thats pretty much it for the models

maybe they redone the sculpt MAYBE

[bleak agate]

because i love rain

[gloomy reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322603560172523621/1325960794264830084/muh-cat.gif

[bleak agate]

not hate i just am a big rain fan

[gloomy reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322603560172523621/1325960794264830084/muh-cat.gif

[vital laurel]

no? They've made models for all the new dinos and all the old sandbox/progresion dinos that don't fill the evrima standard, herra is remade from the ground up, austro, alberto, spino and whatnot too

[vital laurel]

just make it an option?

[bleak agate]

no

[gloomy reef]

they havent made new models for most the dinos in game

[gloomy reef]

huh

[bleak agate]

rain will be heard

[lilac bolt]

why would they need to in the first place? if the devs are fine with the current models what point is there to change them?

[vital laurel]

deino, petra, bepi, herra, dilo, hypsi, stego, teno, troodon, that is 9 of the 17 dinos, which is a majority, dryo, carno and gali have a strong refresh as well

[gloomy reef]

readddd the chattttsssssss

[gloomy reef]

ok im not sure u know what i mean im talking about RE USED ASSETS FROM LEGACY not NEW ASSESTS

[vital laurel]

wait until you hear about quixel bridge and plugins lol

[woeful latch]

so the thing about the isle is that every dino is made with love, you can’t experience everything game offers as one generic theropod.
so the gameplay can vary a lot depending on the dino you play as.

like herreras gameplay is being a tree assassin, sneaky and lethal.
or cera being body-bully, eating rotten corpses, getting bacteria and using it in pvp.
or galli getting speed boost for having more diets.

the pvp system is whole giant aspect of evrimas gameplay, every dino feels unique, it’s not just tail riding or m2 clicking.

also the mutations change the gameplay a lot. you can be a salt croc, you can choose hydrodynamic to become semi-aquatic-ish. like there are a lot of things that change gameplay, every playable feels different and that’s how you get amazing gameplay

[vital laurel]

you are blowing the current mutation system out of proportion, 99% of it is just combat or making it slightly easier to survive

[woeful latch]

ahah sure.

[fathom tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/john-williams-conducting-angry-gif-26443839

[lilac bolt]

i have im honestly just really confused what is even the main argument here?

[woeful latch]

not really, most of them give you unique experience

[vital laurel]

no

[woeful latch]

like wader helps you mud camp.
hydrodynamic is amazing for the teno, giving you a lot of speed.
being a salt water croc is amazing.

like combine different mutations, meta ones are boring as hell, that’s for sure

[vital laurel]

i have like 0 more gameplay from mutations, its just 3 clicks and 1 of them needs to go to speed mutation

[fathom tulip]

Terrestrial speed mutations shouldn't be a thing

[vital laurel]

there are 3 cool unlockable mutations that kinda add gameplay, saltwater which is kinda cool and then there is canni and prolific reproducer which are impossible to unlock

and then salt water can just be replaced with the rain water one for most dinos lol

[woeful latch]

i agree, but

it should be disabled for the deino for obvious reasons, but teno having hydrodynamic is fine imo

for deino it’s obviously a meta mutation and shouldn’t really be in the game

[woeful latch]

canni mutation is also amazing, like its whole new gameplay, my dream being canni carnivore killing exclusively my own kind

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

[fathom tulip]

Deino gameplay

[woeful latch]

so true ahah

but it’s only because deino is apex and only semi-aquatic in the game at the same time

beipi is too small to matter tbh

but i bet sucho and spino will make deinos unite

yeah, having fun is awful, i agree

[limber hull]

you want less content in devblogs why exactly

[vital laurel]

its not rly reused tho

[fathom tulip]

Well the issue is thinking that those clips are there taking up a slot that would otherwise be an offical render or animation. They are just bonuses, they arent taking away any content from us

[limber hull]

immediately proving you have no idea how game development works LMAO

every single game with the most hypercompetent devs gets "funny bugs"

[woeful latch]

exactly what i was about to say lmao

[vital laurel]

they literally have a bunch of models, anims and concepts in the devblogs too i can recomend simply ignoring the QA vids if you hate them that much

[icy lion]

They already add those videos to the devblogs, the bug clips aren't "taking up" any space

If you removed them, there'd just be less stuff in the blog

[limber hull]

they do that as well as show funny bugs

its bizarre you think that somehow there's an economy to content

you're literally just asking for less

[vital laurel]

does Gordon Ramsay cutting himself while making food make him a bad chef?

[woeful latch]

last thing i expect is people arguing over funny videos the devs post in the dev blog

[limber hull]

they cant because those videos dont exist lmao

if those videos existed, they'd be in the devblog

[icy lion]

This isn't the first time and it won't be the last

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭😭

[icy lion]

People hate fun I suppose

[vital laurel]

exactly, that is how dumb you sound

[limber hull]

the "funny bug" stuff is just extra content that people like to laugh at on top of the content you already get

[icy lion]

Like, man, imagine if we never got to see the horde of dryos killing Krow back in early early evrima

[limber hull]

there's no rule saying that they can only post x many videos before they get in trouble

literally all the bug stuff is is extra content in the devblogs which shows the nitty gritty of game development and the side-effects of introducing new things

[eager socket]

^^^

[limber hull]

although i find it funny that the devs being transparent enough to show extremely indev work makes them "bad devs" because other devs choose to hide those bugs

it's like seeing GTA5 well before it's done and deciding the devs suck because this private dev build is so full of bugs

[eager socket]

Prop gta5 launch bugs AHAHAHA

[vital laurel]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/376210/view/4488493094383124625 we got 41 non bug vids and 6 bug vids and 1 bug SS..... yeah these bug vids rly need to stop filling up the devblogs with stupid stuff

[urban flax]

There was one long-lasting bug in Dead by Daylight which mistakenly put 2 killers in the same lobby against 4 survivors
It was so funny when it happened devs turned it into an actual gamemode

[limber hull]

devs should be all business all the time there should be no room for jokes, japes or enjoyment, they are here to SERVE content at a FAST, CONSISTENT pace so that I may consume and immediately hypercriticise it

[icy lion]

And THEN I get to insult them for being robots and not feeling like human people

[urban flax]

You're a mod
You're supposed to be a robot too, not have an opinion

[eager socket]

Let’s talk about the last few “triple A” titles and bugs

[icy lion]

oh.....

[fathom tulip]

THATS TOO MUCH EMOTION

[woeful latch]

ahah

[eager socket]

@inland vigil it’s essentially impossible

No Change you could make other than food value that would destroy bigger carnis to come ability to survive

[inland vigil]

Mm I don't think so

[eager socket]

Any other kinda change is too easily abuseable for trolling purposes

It’s the same with mixpacking edits cuz a galli could just follow you around and force the debuff and you could never stop it

[inland vigil]

I don't think a galli mixpacking is as much of an issue as a dibble mixpacking. Any system that is added should take that into account

Weight, species, growth, etc should always be factored into a system to dissuade mega/mixpacks

[eager socket]

Than it will be done in reverse as dibble isn’t catching anything

You underestimate the pettiness of mixpackers they’re all god awful at PvP alone there do be good reason they need the numbers

[inland vigil]

I don't underestimate them as they are quite literally the scum of the game

The only stress systems that I've encountered were one that blurred your vision if you were around other species (which created the concept of 'stress bites', as biting someone and therefore starting the combat timer would remove the effect for a short time), and beasts of bermuda. Which I'm sure everyone mostly knows how that works without explanation

[eager socket]

I despise mixpacking as much as the next but there is no mechanic that could stop it that can’t be abused

[eager socket]

Combat works far too differently for that to work well

[inland vigil]

I think the isle devs could come up with something in all honesty

[eager socket]

BoB is closer to legacy in terms of combat

[eager socket]

Like what?

[inland vigil]

Unfortunately I'm not a game dev :p

I don't have their brains

[eager socket]

The only thing I personally think will help snuff it or make it less common is the introduction or more larger Dino’s

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message the biggest reason why carnivores overpack is because they have plenty of food around to sustain the mega pack.

so what we can do is change the food values, they already did that to herbivores, they can’t really get any food or nutrients from the oranges or coconuts. sometimes they need to eat the tree itself to just get the nutrients.

we can do the same for the carnivores, ai should really only be good for the juvies, ai should barely sustain any adult carnivore in the game imo (except something like herrera or troodon ofc, maybe omniraptor)

but we have a situation where 8 carnos can easily run around the map eat ai and sustain the mega pack without ever killing anything

[inland vigil]

What I don't understand is why the ai spawns more frequently around large groups

[eager socket]

Ignoring when apex’s come out and then everything value will need to be cranked up to sustain them

[eager socket]

More bodies make more Ai to match the numbers

[inland vigil]

Why not have ai spawn organically around small groups or solos? Thereby making non-overpacked groups survive more easily. A megapack should spawn much less ai

[eager socket]

I personally think the more the less especially if they are of player hunting size

[woeful latch]

oh i don’t like that tbh, like they’re adding ai tenos and carnos and i fear adult rexes would easily sustain themselves by eating ai and that’s horrible

[eager socket]

Yes

[eager socket]

Yup

[inland vigil]

Because it's true, I was able to grow a family of carnos (meaning 6 carnos) to full by ai alone

[eager socket]

All in all Ai playables will make mega packing and mix-packing even easier

[inland vigil]

I don't enjoy doing that. Like it doesn't feel very good. Yes I enjoy having my kids around me but I'd rather that they go off on their own

[eager socket]

As you’ll have 100% easier time growing your bbs

[woeful latch]

were you part of the eu5 west access carno mega pack?

[inland vigil]

Nah but there was another one of 11 carnos on na2 which made me want to kill someone

[woeful latch]

oh ok

[inland vigil]

I got all their names through replay and I'll kill them on sight next time I see them

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[eager socket]

And then you’ll never be able to play carno as you’ll be a KOS target

Mixpacking is 1 thing

[woeful latch]

there was huge carno pack on eu5, i killed a bunch of them

[eager socket]

Mega packs are done by people who main that Dino 24/7

[inland vigil]

Naw I kill people all the time. Been playing this game for years at this point it's ok

[eager socket]

Oh a cannibal player

[inland vigil]

Honestly megapacks are usually created by multiple groups nesting

No I'm not a cannibal player lmao

I was a raptor in that server

[eager socket]

Ah

Ya carno spam charge with its buggy hitbox is hell for omni

[inland vigil]

Yes it is, thankfully I managed to grapple kill two of them with a friend. But it's quite literally unstoppable without another megapack or a mixpack

[eager socket]

Apex’s will be a glorious thing

[inland vigil]

Which is unfortunate because you're forced to either log off and wait for them to find something better to do with their time or die to their insatiable hunger and greed

[eager socket]

I did the dumb and walked a 60% stego into a 20 man omni 3 dibble group but took a dibble and 6 or so omni with me

[inland vigil]

Lmao nice

[eager socket]

Ya carno mega is hard to deal with

You gotta find a nice little area with rocks you can get on and they can’t

[eager socket]

Ran outa stam so fast but every swing was a kill basically

Except the 3 I had to use to kill the dibble

[inland vigil]

Tbh I was just running in and bleeding them like a nuisance. Broke their nest too. Absolutely no reason to KEEP nesting when 11 carnos are in the area already

That's what the issue is, the ability to keep nesting more and more players and then just sustain all of them on ai

[eager socket]

PT gaming go brrrrrrr

[inland vigil]

I honestly think that ai should only give diet to babies and not adults

Food is fine. But you shouldn't be at the top of your game with a full diet of pigs

[eager socket]

Not a bad take wouldn’t be well received on mass but not bad imo

Diet should be harder to earn once FG

[inland vigil]

Yeah that's the issue, people who like the easy grow

[eager socket]

I like it

Bro deino grow can S

Etc etc

[inland vigil]

I always assume I'll get massive downvotes and just don't care. Because at the end of the day the devs aren't worried about adding features the players don't like 😂 it's a genuine balance problem and they know it

Eventually people get used to it, just like the stamina system

[eager socket]

Only reason I DV is cuz bigger playable carni will clean this up a lot

[inland vigil]

Which DID slow down the game and DID do what they wanted it to. Despite massive initial backlash

[eager socket]

Most mixpackers ain’t got patience like that

And even if they do having stuff that can kill them even when FG makes them sadge

Like for example if allo where in game

3 allo all 2.8T would have WIPED that omni super pack and still handled their buisness against the dibbles

The more big stuff the harder it is to mixpack as you’ll need to grow bigger and bigger things to compete

Which is way harder than rn

[inland vigil]

Yeah but what happens when allos and rexes and spinos mix

[eager socket]

They struggle for food and everyone runs away

I don’t think keeping that large of a large group will be that easy to keep alive

You can even see how fast stego and deino make food disappear

Plus I doubt most apex’s own species will remain on their diet as bigger and better stuff becomes playables

There will be enough option that few playables will remain cannibal

Like cera and deino will probably some of the few cannibals

[inland vigil]

What you could probably do is infiltrate their ranks as another apex pack and then start killing all the younger ones followed by their adults lmfao

[eager socket]

You Also gotta consider how long apex heal takes like if you get sent to red health as deino it takes well over a hour to heal back to green

Every fight is a risk

[inland vigil]

That's true

[eager socket]

And the smart thing to do if you know you can’t escape a mega pack is focus 1 person

[inland vigil]

I've literally never played as a rex or anything other than in bob one time so I have no idea how they fight or function. Was not a legacy player

[eager socket]

Bring another apex to respawn menu with you

[eager socket]

Legacy PvP was very 1 dimensional

Envirma is a whole other monster in how complex PvP can be

[inland vigil]

Yeah thats why I didn't play it at all lmao

[eager socket]

Wasn’t bad for its time better than BoB or Path which are the same thing basically

[inland vigil]

Evrima's dynamic combat and systems are why I have hope that the devs could cook up something

My brain too small to give ideas though

[eager socket]

I mean the only things you could do is damage based reduction and stat stuff and it’s all stuff that can be abused manipulated for advantages in combat or bypassed

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message it takes ages to heal from yellow to blue health as the teno, that encourages even more people to use eat to heal

[eager socket]

@grizzled matrix why no to the Ai suggestion?

If your in a massive group of mostly adults you really don’t need Ai you can fight

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-yeah-you-got-a-point-calvin-payne-lance-gross-house-of-payne-tyler-perrys-house-of-payne-gif-21919019

[eager socket]

@vapid surge oh man if you think that’s bad see deino heal

From red takes roughly 1.5hrs to get back to green let alone full

[eager socket]

[latent maple]

Please fix DLSS implementation.

Doesnt affect the tab menu though, interestingly enough.

its only the game too because the menu seems fine

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message this is actually so true, pteras have the most broken hitbox in the game.

but i have no idea how they got spawncamped by ptera, like killing juvie as the ptera is an achievement, idk how they managed to spawncamp, its probably rank one norden death match ptera flying over there

it’s impossible to kill anything that is not a hypsi as a ptera

[green niche]

oh damn i misread it. i thought they were saying that they were the dilo and they couldnt kill a ptera 💀

[fathom tulip]

@north quiver not only that but I swear Beipi is missing an animation where when on the surface of the water when you decided to go underwater it would have a sort of diving animation, now it just sinks

[north quiver]

very unfortunate

poor beipi hardly ever gets any good buffs it needs

[fathom tulip]

Alright I'm testing it more in the swamp and the diving animation only plays when you are in deep water, it seems like it has to be about 8 feet deep in order to play. I have no idea if that's intentional or not

Also does anyone know, are underwater shaders busted rn or is it supposed to look this way?

[gloomy tendon]

Lord have mercy. I can't post my feedback because it's too long.

[#general-feedback message]
I had a lot more to say about this but losing nitro makes it hard! If anyone would like to discuss, because obviously there are a lot of things I could not mention which would further pan out the overall concept, I'd be happy to talk!

[queen geyser]

So since they cant afford more servers or afford to actually optimize them and allow 150+ players. can we alteast get some info on what the plans are? feels like the community has been left in the dark ever since new years break..

[eager socket]

@green niche I personally like my sanity and with all the extra bits to it I DO NOT want to deal with a disease system as that just adds a a extra layer of NOTHING USEFUL except added frustration

[fathom lily]

unstuck nao funciona

[gloomy tendon]

Where has this come up? Just curious, since I didn't think they ever said anything about the servers.

[icy lion]

Nowhere

[gloomy tendon]

Figured.

Thanks as always!

[eager socket]

@hidden briar you playing on official or unofficial?

[hidden briar]

official y?

[eager socket]

That’s odd cuz I’ve had 0 issue on offical

@covert tiger upvoting your own is a cardinal sin!!!

[covert tiger]

i will always upvote something i strongly believe in, regardless of who its from 😛

[eager socket]

https://tenor.com/view/it-doesnt-matter-dracula-castlevania-i-dont-care-it-doesnt-bother-me-gif-4600632212498301975

[hidden briar]

was duo-ed with a friend on official as a dilo, just fought a carno at night, we didnt see it taking any damge from clones so we tested in on an unoffical server with grows. Clones wouldnt even spawn near the cliff the carno was SITTING on. Tested it on a mudpool, clones did not spawn in either. Went to plains, clones finally spawned it but they only ran up to you and didnt bite or damage

[eager socket]

Some unofficial have issue with dilo clones that officials don’t

[gloomy tendon]

Hey, good job with the suggestions! Been reading yours lately and I strongly agree!

[hidden briar]

still though, when clones bite, you still see the prey take damage or hear it take damage, we didnt see either

[eager socket]

Odd

[eager socket]

Sounds like more of a #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 than anything

[junior nymph]

@covert tiger watch forks get wiped

[covert tiger]

@eager socket i think dilos got shadownerfed

[teal fulcrum]

dilo clones problem really appeared after the latest patch. honestly so much better than when they killed fg teno in 2-3 bites

[covert tiger]

for the past few days, when im far way, dilo clones do nothing to me

[hidden briar]

yeah, i just feel like dilo venom breaks every update, my idea on general feedback was just to make dilo more consistent through updates

[covert tiger]

but when im close, they start doing damage

[junior nymph]

I Think thats them just fixing clones

[eager socket]

If they did it’s a brutal nerf cuz I know people on petit and pandora have been having clones do 0 damage

[covert tiger]

yes i do think they fixed it rather than bugged

[eager socket]

Legit even if they alive and it’s a cooldown summon

[covert tiger]

clones doing no damage when far away is a much needed change

[eager socket]

“Fix” be a shadow ban pachy nerf :/

[eager socket]

It’s not even far from what I’ve seen on some of the unofficial

[junior nymph]

pachy needs love 😦 I hate how people say its still good it sucks lol

[hidden briar]

they were doing no damge when i was testing it and my buddyw as right next to me

[eager socket]

^^^

Same experience on a unofficial today

[covert tiger]

oh okay i guess its regardless of distance

anyway i think its better this way rather than their OP nature earlier
until they find a middle ground eventually

[hidden briar]

maybe, but dilo is just pure carno food at this point, cant even fight back at night

[eager socket]

So… a Dino with no mechanic other than making seeing harder with horrible turn radius

That explains why we rolled those dilo without taking barely any damage as pachy

[covert tiger]

they can still get venom on the carno very quickly and can turn faster than carno still, allowing them to escape
they will for sure have a harder time hunting carnos though

[eager socket]

The venom didn’t do nothing

[hidden briar]

they can not turn faster than carno, carno drifts and rams and almost always a guarantee hit

[covert tiger]

thats also cause dilo players are spoiled and rely on the venom too much
if they think of the venom as a distraction and use hit and run tactics with their actual bites, they can still do a lot of damage

(including me, i used to play dilo a lot, but i agree with this nerf lol)

[eager socket]

The venom mechanic is the entire point of dilo?

[hidden briar]

thats exactly what me and my friend were doing hunting this 1 carno at night, but carno can just stay on you super easily even with venom, and we got rolled by it

[covert tiger]

yeah so its not going anywhere
7-8 minutes of minimal vision and inability to smell is still a very strong mechanic

[junior nymph]

just make it so dilo gains a charge every time it goes in for a bite

[eager socket]

I’m not even a dilo player and I think this if it is a intentional change is horrific this makes so much sense why I’ve seen barely any dilo and the few I do immediately give up on dilo after dying

If your doing nothing with your core mechanic why even play dilo has nothing special about its kit to make it worth playing without venom

[hidden briar]

im pretty sure this change was done after the last invisible AI update, because before that me and my friend had killed a few things with venom

[eager socket]

#balance-feedback scroll up tons of us have mode notes on how to fix the dilo venom problem without pachy nerfing it

[covert tiger]

again, its not venom removal, its just free infinite damage removal from it
and yes, its a very recent change, like only this past week

[eager socket]

Coulda been an unintended bug?

[covert tiger]

with the number of ppl asking for dilo venom to be nerfed, doubt its a bug

[hidden briar]

it def is imo, because the clones dont even bite you, super easy to tell which are fake

[eager socket]

There is a difference between a nerf and basically removing it from the game

[covert tiger]

the reason i think its intended is cause the clones visually look different as well
previously they were fleshy and robotic, now they look cool, slimier like an actual dilo skin, and they fade into dust when they make contact with you and they dont bite
that is too many changes for a 'bug'

[eager socket]

???? They’ve always done that

[hidden briar]

im pretty sure dilos have always done that

[covert tiger]

previously they ran in a straight line, then bit, then faded away, and they all looked the same pink fleshy dilos

[eager socket]

Esbi do you think dilo can survive well without venom doing damage?

[hidden briar]

its just their actual damage from the clones that has always been buggy or an issue

[hidden briar]

they still do that

at least 10 minutes ago that i tested this

[eager socket]

They always matched the skin of the player that inflicted it?

[covert tiger]

no i think it needs damage back with limited charges, far less spammable and much shorter range than prior
but until they can implement that change, the current situation is better for the rest of the roster than OP magic spellcasting from miles away getting risk free kills

[eager socket]

I’d disagree as it will make dilo become pachy rare

Once people realize the only fun mechanic doesn’t do nothing

[covert tiger]

dont mind that
an OP dinosaur commonly played is a huge problem

[hidden briar]

in general feedback i said their should be a DOT when you call a clone, but it should be less than whatever a clone does in damage since it would be a guaranteed DOT

[covert tiger]

its true that theyre in a bad spot against carnos right now but against everything else they're still very viable

[hidden briar]

even before this set of dilo bugs, Carno could hunt it very well, even at night

[covert tiger]

i used to eat carnos for breakfast a few weeks ago as a dilo

it was an insult to carno, which is almost double in size

carno's running was useless because a single venomated state would result in it dying no matter how far it ran

[hidden briar]

they def are not, even before venom, you had to be very coordinated, especially since its easy to counter clones with cliffs, mudpools, and water or anything else you can put your back to

[covert tiger]

not true
a few weeks ago dilo clones were completely busted, they were doing instant damage, constantly spawning above you on rocks and water, even spawning on top of herras in trees and killing them
it was an absolute bugged menace

[eager socket]

Cera is more played as dilo is not op as more than half the roaster can easily fight them

[covert tiger]

2 bites resulted in 2000-3000 damage over the course of the 8 minutes the venom lasted

[eager socket]

Well venom is excessively strong it isn’t op as you can easily kill the dilo before t3 if your skilled enough

[hidden briar]

i do believe that dilo venom/clones should do less damge tho, but only if its consistent

[covert tiger]

we an agree to disagree then
to me, it was the single most overpowered thing in the game by far, nothing else came close

[hidden briar]

only during the day before these bugs, during night it became a lot harder

[eager socket]

Its not the damage that’s the problem its the length of T3 and how dam easy it is to apply

[covert tiger]

'skilled enough' is a total bs reason
at night you only needed 1-2 bites which takes less than 1 second with dilo's insane attack speed

[eager socket]

Especially at night

[covert tiger]

unless youre invisible and untouchable, you will always take 1-2 bites from a dilo easily

esp if the dilo is in a group

[hidden briar]

true, once venom is applied, i could just wait on the sideline for like 3 minutes before re-engaging

[covert tiger]

and then after that the dilos would just back off and spam rmb

[eager socket]

3 kicks(1 leads to another) from teno 2 dibble hits omni duo pin carno cycle charge cera charge bite pachy go bonk Herrera 1 tap etc etc etc

[covert tiger]

again, i am very happy to see dilos become rare until they're properly given some love and balanced out

way better than their prior busted magic caster state

[eager socket]

It’s a bug so

[eager socket]

What do you Main by chance?

[covert tiger]

at this point i guess i dont have a particular main
i have about 350 hours in the isle, out of which approx 100 are omni, 100 are dilo, 50 are deino, 50 are carno, and the other 50 are everything else combined

[eager socket]

Fair enough

But I really don’t see dilo enough to a point where I couldn’t fight them or run away that they where a major annoyance

[covert tiger]

out of everything i played in the game, dilo was the easiest and i found it to be the most OP, risk free, highest damage output

both when playing it and fighting against it

the thing was dropping maias and carnos like flies these past few weeks

[eager socket]

Ye venom length and ease of application is excessive but it wasn’t something I thought of as free as it isn’t hugh hp pool

[covert tiger]

doesnt need hp pool if it never gets hit and the target slowly dies miles away

[eager socket]

Time to be that guy

SKILL ISSUE

[covert tiger]

for once, i do think its a skill-less issue (for dilo)

i felt like i had to exert zero skill for those 100 hours i played it

[eager socket]

I dunno any dilo he faced I’ve killed unless I’m small

[covert tiger]

kills didnt even feel well earned

[eager socket]

Dilo def needs a readjustment to application and length

[covert tiger]

3 charges with a 1 minute cooldown for each, i could live with that

rather than the 10 seconds it was earlier

[eager socket]

Na make the venom last 45s like troodon and get 1s for every extra bite and fully reset venom after T3 expires like troodon lets you get off a solid amount of dps without being excessive and still encourages you to be involved

[covert tiger]

alternatively, it should take approx 10 day time bites or 5 night time bites to get to t3, rather than 1-2 like it is at the moment

[eager socket]

45s is roughly 6 or 7 clones worth?

[covert tiger]

still too much imo
thats 600 free damage

[eager socket]

It is weight dependant too

[covert tiger]

yeah i know im talking about average

[eager socket]

I think the difference needs to be abit more apparent

Like stuff it’s size or smaller sure fast ya know they got a lot less body to travel but things over 1T is a different story

[frank tapir]

in zanoraks streams on twitch

they didn't talk about the cost of optimising, but said that getting new servers was very expensive

[fathom tulip]

@covert tiger YES! I've been thinking about that as well! The river system and surrounding area running from Forks up to Water Access is the most beautiful and meticulously detailed area on the entire map

[desert arch]

@signal iron carno has a worse turn radious, less stamina and no defensive capabilities, if omni was faster than it, it would be dead on sight.

[harsh sun]

@signal iron Carno was a dinosaur built for running. Raptors would not outspeed one.

[white elm]

also omni can jump

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
I agree there weren't enough meta mutations

We need the game to be less skill and more build

[indigo gulch]

The size is one thing but do we REALLY need more speed mutations while the 2 we have are already breaking the balance?

[desert arch]

cera running as fast as an omni with double speed mutations 🗣️

[limber hull]

40.2 x 1.1 x 1.05 = 46.2

1300 x 0.9 = 1170

1170KG CERATO THAT'S NEARLY AS FAST AS OMNI LMAOOO

This hypothetical cerato could outrun a troodon and that's hysterical

[urban flax]

Ok but how fast would a dilo go with both these muts

(idk the normal speed of dilo)

[limber hull]

A bit over 57km/hr 😊

[thick summit]

How fast would carno's charge be

[indigo gulch]

He is already a night hunter, don’t make him a nightmare🤣

[indigo gulch]

Too fast. Only correct answer

[thick summit]

It could probably travel back in time

[indigo gulch]

Honestly

[limber hull]

Sorry, almost 55km/hr

So almost carno speed

[indigo gulch]

Put him back with his friends

[indigo gulch]

Pfff

[limber hull]

CARNO IS OVER 68KM WHILE CHARGING

[indigo gulch]

How fast would omni be?

[thick summit]

PHAHAHA

Legacy herrera

[indigo gulch]

NAH THATS ILLEGAL

[limber hull]

68.6 specifically haha

[thick summit]

We need that mutation for the funnies

[limber hull]

im sure this will end fine

[thick summit]

Fr

[limber hull]

Around 54km/hr 😊

This is under the assumption of two speed muts btw

[thick summit]

Omg

What about stego

[limber hull]

A bit over 30km/hr if I'm correct

[thick summit]

That'd be fun

New meta!

Combat mutations shouldn't be a thing at all

Mutations should be restricted to QoL mutations

Like reinforced kidneys

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message even tho i dislike insta vomit i think removing it removes the only defensive tool baby and sub cera has.

i think the problem is not insta vomit itself, but cera being to offensive and oppressive, it doesn’t use its bacteria and charge bite in defense, it uses it mostly in offense

which is why i think cera needs a rework or nerf.

[urban cypress]

how about the defence of a raptor or dilo? they cant defend themself

[limber hull]

they can run real fast

[woeful latch]

both sub omni and dilo are super fast, faster than their fully grown versions

sub cera is hella slow

[limber hull]

sub cera is pathetically slow

[urban cypress]

uhm... baby raptor max speed is 25 km

[woeful latch]

only fresh spawn

there’s a difference when you die as a fresh spawn and when you spent 1 hour growing

[urban cypress]

im tlaking about fresh or jev period

Cerato vomit ability Currently a baby cerato can make a full grown raptor/dilo etc vomit losing stam and all food instantly. in my opinion this should, like the dilo gets venom at 40%, be available when the cera reaches a certain growth (30%/40%).

[woeful latch]

alright, but why cera should not be able to make you vomit? you can insta pin it if you want and it’s also ten times slower that an adult omni

[urban cypress]

then a dilo needs its venom on fresh, and a troodon too

when we compare a fresh raptor to a full grown cera you are doomed. But a baby cera and stand next to a tree so raptor can't pin.............

I only think it is fair that a fresh baby cera shouldnt have that ability instantly. And as it looks, other think so too

[woeful latch]

there is a small difference, both baby dilo and troodon are super small but become fast really quickly, i don’t want little rats running around making me constantly envenomed.

cera is slow and big and it’s not really a problem

i never had an issue with the baby ceras, like if you don’t want to vomit.. just don’t fight them? or don’t take damage, you’re a lot bigger you can pin it easily

[urban cypress]

I'm glad we can vote on such things 😉 Hope they actually listen to these feedbacks.

[woven bane]

50.2kmh*

sub cera shouldn’t be free calories, it has nothing going for it besides bile/bacteria

[woeful latch]

i mean, they won’t remove baby ceras only ability to defend itself

[urban cypress]

In comparison
cera
Bite Force | 7 - 27 - 66 - 108 - 150 N
Max Speed | 21 - 28 - 36 - 39 - 40.2 km/h

raptor
Bite Force | 2 - 4 - 18 - 29 - 65 N
Max Speed | 25 - 39 - 48 - 50 - 46.8 km/h

Means a cera with the speed ability can get really close to a raptor. meaning 1 mistake. A raptor would die instantly by vomit and a second bite

[fathom tulip]

@brittle drum #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[brittle drum]

on it

[valid brook]

@topaz bear 277590236245000192 ? Whats the point of us checking the feed back? and we are on servers investigating reports when they come in

and we cant fix "the cooldown" whatever you mean by that

[topaz bear]

So ur admin but can not do anything on the server? like making the cooldown to 200 seconds instead of 500?

[valid brook]

"the cooldown" isnt descriptive. We are just admins. we enforce the rules. we do not develop the game

nope. but you can report it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[topaz bear]

my mate already did that but okay.. good day

[cinder haven]

Hey, do you at least ban cheaters? Their numbers have increased a lot lately. They can fly now.

[valid brook]

yes. and we know. if you do see one flying. press f2 and record it for a few minutes then sent it to us

[cinder haven]

Would it be a problem if we sent you the NICK and ID of what we saw?

[bronze niche]

cera still does a lot of damage with the charged bite

[woeful latch]

baby cera does nothing, especially to fully grown omni or dilo

[bronze niche]

sorry dude but i dont know what to tell you, if your getting chased by a fg omni or dilo its best to give up as a baby cera 💀

[woeful latch]

i mean.. #general-feedback message

i guess it works as defensive tool

so it should stay imo

[bronze niche]

even if baby ceras lost the vomit tool till like 30 or 40% there would still be a lot of them nonetheless

[woeful latch]

less people attack baby ceras just because they don’t want vomit sickness

and that’s a good thing

as much as i hate ceras removing that mechanic would be awful

it needs other nerfs instead

[bronze niche]

theres like at least 2 mega cera packs per server

[woeful latch]

i know, i’m killing them all the time

they all suck

[bronze niche]

well at least we can agree on something

any player that mega packs absolutely sucks ass i was part of a carno mega pack and planned to leave until 40% and they all sucked so bad 5 fg carnos trying to kill 2 fg ceras took them like 10 minutes

[woeful latch]

ahah xd

yet to see a single competent mega pack or mix pack that won’t die to my solo teno all 1 by 1

i should probably record all that stuff

[indigo gulch]

@normal steeple Uh mind clarifying a little bit for me, what do you mean with pouncing through my tail?

[woeful latch]

probably what they mean is that omnis hitbox is too small and even when you’re hugging the wall it’s impossible to get them off you

[indigo gulch]

I’ll see what they say

[normal steeple]

don't have a ss but it's self explanatory. there are currently pouncing locations that position them on ur face or on ur ass basically

[indigo gulch]

Ss?

[woeful latch]

screenshot

[indigo gulch]

You can’t pounce on the face

[normal steeple]

i'm trying to say that u should be able to retaliate by biting them off/kicking them

u can lmao

hold on

[indigo gulch]

Not sit on it

And if so, I’m pretty sure that’s a bug.

[woeful latch]

you can, sadly, it’s not really a face, more like a spine

[indigo gulch]

Huh? But the spine is ontop?

[normal steeple]

got sb to test is this not the face?

[indigo gulch]

Yeah imma need a screenshot

[woeful latch]

hard to explain, let’s wait for ss

[woeful latch]

yes, this

[indigo gulch]

Isn’t that your back?

[normal steeple]

u cannot even bite them or alt attack them they're literally invincible lol

no

[woeful latch]

i hate this sm because hitbox is too buggy so trees and walls don’t work sometimes, you have to buck

[normal steeple]

yess its the same w the back end too its so annoying and they switch to those locations on purpose bc its buggy

[woeful latch]

back is fine, at least it doesn’t look goofy xd

[indigo gulch]

No, they switch to those because it’s harder to knock them off because the sides are susceptible to trees and rocks

And it opens space for other pack members

[normal steeple]

yes, and im saying that it's stupid that i can't retaliate they're RIGHT infront of me lol

[indigo gulch]

They are ON you

[normal steeple]

not only that it looks insanely unrealistic it's clipping through the model

[indigo gulch]

How are you going to reach them?

[normal steeple]

they're on my face... does teno not have claws or arms?

[fathom tulip]

Honestly that head latch on Teno doesnt look intentional, it's probably a bug or a latch location they forgot to turn off

[indigo gulch]

yeah because you shouldn’t be able to pounce the face

[indigo gulch]

Not long enough ones to flex them around like that

[woeful latch]

honestly my main issue with that is it’s sometimes impossible to get them off you using trees and walls, i don’t mind omni pouncing my face looking unrealistic

i don’t like it being buggy.

[normal steeple]

they're on my face..? 😭 im so confused rn teno is physically capable of reaching forward

[indigo gulch]

I just want bucking to be good so we can remove the stupid terrain glitching

[indigo gulch]

I meant stuff like your tail and back

That doesn’t seem like an angle you’d reach

[fathom tulip]

And also it's a video game, there are bound to be lots of unrealistic interactions like that

[indigo gulch]

Without some weird limb turning

[normal steeple]

well yes those locations are reasonable. and i'm not talking abt those i'm talking abt this location and the other one which makes them clip through the base of ur tail. they're pouncing vertically basically on ur butt

[fathom tulip]

It's probably bugged

[indigo gulch]

That’s just the matter of the hitbox placement. You can’t pounce the tail, so you clip on the butt but it looks off

[fathom tulip]

Pounce is plagued with bugs near constantly

[indigo gulch]

screams in terrain glitching

[fathom tulip]

I would assume pounce is the single most difficult mechanic they have ever had to develop

[indigo gulch]

Can’t blame them

Especially with this map

[fossil bramble]

Nice catch admins

I hope y’all got it before anyone clicked on it

(For context there was a fame steam gift card link)

[indigo gulch]

Ah yeah I’ve seen it pop up in other servers

[woeful latch]

it’s everywhere nowdays

[indigo gulch]

Sad but true

[thick summit]

fr

Unfortunately some people fall for those tricks

[indigo gulch]

Wouldn’t keep happening if they didn’t 😦

[thick summit]

exactly

is that a switch controller? the pfp discord thingy

[indigo gulch]

yes

well pretty sure. It was an event at one point

[thick summit]

Lmao

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message they cant do that btw

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i think ptera should be punished for skill issue and falling in to the water, why would the game not punish it by giving it good swimming speed?

into*

[tardy chasm]

Okay but there’s a difference between punishing skill issues and straight up making a playable not well adapted to an environment that it’s meant to be living in.

[woeful latch]

why should ptera be a good swimmer?

[white elm]

For realism... it would be cool, but its not something ptera really needs

[woeful latch]

wdym realism🥹
does ptera look like something that can be a good swimmer?

[white elm]

Anyway, realism doesn't matter

There's no real reason for ptera to be a good swimmer

It would be cool, but unneccessary

[lilac bolt]

it hunts fish it wouldn't make sense for it to not to be at least somewhat decent at swimming

[woeful latch]

exactly

i mean i don’t have anything against ptera being a good swimmer, but it just seems really unnecessary? like imo it should be punished for falling into the water

or they should give it ability to dive and add a whole new mechanic

[white elm]

yea

[mint kestrel]

Are we going to get a devblog for January? I need news.

[icy lion]

Yep

[white elm]

#general-feedback message path of titans gameplay

path of titans gameplay

[indigo gulch]

“You have 2 options to fix this” Sounds like an ultimatum while it isn’t

There is definitely more options than that

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-want-a-chicken-nugget-the-ceo-of-insane-groundbreaking-games-smiling-friends-do-you-want-some-chicken-nuggets-would-you-like-to-eat-chicken-nuggets-gif-1705151377479932900

[indigo gulch]

Also haven’t they stated multiple times that they don’t want to increase the dev team?

[icy lion]

No, they've stated they don't want any monetization in the game

They doubled the size of the animation team over the past couple of years

[indigo gulch]

Ooh it was THAT

I knew it was either or and I wanted to ask you but I figured you’d read here eventually 😅

Just so I’m not spreading misinformation by accident

[fathom tulip]

#general-feedback message The devs after reading this suggestion and increasing sales by 100x

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hank-scorpio-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that-gif-16665717301005834823

[sly sluice]

It really looks cool! I rarely play as a pter because it's boring for me right now.. But I think developers could add a lot of new things. For example, the ability to grab small dinos in paws, take a large piece of meat in paws and fly away, causing great damage by diving down

[gloomy tendon]

If the map were more oceanic, then yeah. I think this would be a great sustainable way to keep yourself fed. But that's just not the case so there's no reason.

I think as opposed to picking up juvies, Pteradon could instead pick up hatchlings as they can only realistically fly carrying a very light amount of weight like fish or very small animals, wink wink nudge nudge.

But yeah, in general I'd say Pt is more of a dive and grab sort of creature as opposed to dive, grab, and excel aquatically. They should probably dive down deep enough to feed off of schools of fish so I could foresee it happening in those bigger lakes like NP.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message legit killed 2 fg ceras in 2v1 as a carno

and now i see this feedback👹

tho my opinion is that carno should absolutely suck vs cera

[white elm]

carno is the one controlling the interaction after all

[woeful latch]

true

i will only send the moments when i killed them

[white elm]

at any moment carno can decide that its lord huron single

because it is far faster

[woeful latch]

it’s not bigger in the game and carno is a lot faster, that’s why it would be unfair if it was also stronger than cera

[woeful latch]

tho as you can see skill matters a lot

killed them even with them having the body buff

it is, irl cera was pretty small tbf, same as the teno, it was a lot smaller irl compared to evrima

[covert tiger]

@earnest crest get a better PC, don't blame the game
Performance is excellent with recent patches
Most ppl with PCs 2021 onwards get 60+ fps

Not finding anything to eat and not being used to the combat is also not a game problem
As you mentioned, you started playing yesterday
There's a massive learning curve and skill set before you get comfortable with this brutal survival game

[earnest crest]

Except there are games that look infinitely better with far better performance even on far higher settings ?
So clearly the issue is with this specific game, and why NOT fix the issue like this ? Especially as it might be why some people choose to not play

This isn't really about not being used to the combat, it's about the two characters swinging at eachother and nothing in the game giving any hint if either are doing anything, you gotta check the menu to see, and even that doesn't show exact stats, and will only show any change after a while of fighting

[covert tiger]

Some games yeah, maybe huge budget fully polished ones, but not most games from what I've seen, and I'm a pretty avid gamer.
And especially no early access game.
I never said this game is the best in the world at performance. Of course there will be more optimized games out there. But to say it's not in a good state is objectively false when it's better than most other games with comparable graphics.

And about the combat, yes there is a hint - your dinosaur makes a groan, shudders and interrupts movement, and there's blood added to your screen corners every time you take a hit. Those are three big unmissable indicators.
So yeah, definitely gotta get used to the combat

[earnest crest]

Yeah
Early access game
So this is one of the things that can be worked on

For the combat "hints"
Haven't experienced a single one of those except for the bloody and that was a single blood overlay effect after the first few hits and then it didn't change so it was impossible to tell if i kept getting hit or not

[thick summit]

😭

[thick summit]

Same

It is possible...

[vital laurel]

@signal iron the devs have never once eluded to being low on money, also did you miss the last 2 quarters of 2024? We had 4 big updates lol

[latent olive]

<@&933486433342222376>

[signal iron]

Ok so they're just lazy?

[wintry whale]

How so

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[signal iron]

It's either that or a money problem.. I've also heard the owner of the isle is very stingy with his money hence the small development team

[wintry whale]

Or they’re an indie company that cares about having passionate developers, it’s quality work, which takes time

[signal iron]

Quality work is very debatable

[wintry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[signal iron]

I used to game develop for 3 years of my life and I'll say this game definitely has that WOW factor and the playability but it just has so much potentinal that is being left on the table

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/spto-scott-pilgrim-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-envy-adams-even-she-was-weirded-tf-out-gif-15109650988715259582

[urban flax]

How can you have worked on games for 3 years and still know so little about game development

[signal iron]

Brother this game has been out for 9 years and still has game breaking bugs that shouldn't be there at all

[urban flax]

"This" game ? For 9 years ?

[signal iron]

Release date
2 Dec, 2015

[wintry whale]

It’s not out of early access yet, you know it’s going to have bugs, and Evrima has existed for a bit over 4

[urban flax]

There is no big that exists now that already existed at evrima's release btw
That's what bugs are
They appear, get fixed, and then sometimes they reappear

[signal iron]

Bugs aren't "fixed" if they come back

Or when they say it's fixed but its still there

[limber hull]

so you really don't know how game dev works

[urban flax]

You're proving me right here

[signal iron]

Let me clarify, bugs aren't fixed when they say they're fixed but they are still in that updated version

[wintry whale]

I get the feeling they lied

[signal iron]

For sure

[signal iron]

Saying a bug is fixed but then you load into the game and it's still there isn't fixing a bug

Never have I ever played a game where they "fix" a bug and it's still there

[urban flax]

Ok but that's not what I'm talking about

[signal iron]

Ok

[lilac bolt]

not every fix to a bug works 100% everytime just depends on how complicated the bug is and what could be actually causing it.

[signal iron]

"4 years of development"

[limber hull]

"Over 8 years of development"

[untold geyser]

thank you for finding an example for me

[limber hull]

"Over 9 years of development"

The audacity for these devs to leave bugs in MY game

[signal iron]

I play RDR2 never experienced a bug like that in my life

[signal iron]

Yeah for real especially the game breaking ones!

[signal iron]

8 years and no game breaking bugs like the isle

[signal iron]

Same with tf2

you can legit fall through the map if you go to the beach as a dilo lmao

You can also get stuck in the mouth of an elite fish if you're an under 10% deino and not die

You can also disconnect mid Deino lunge

[limber hull]

That image is literally a game breaking bug which entirely halts all forward progress and you have to either entirely reset the save file or hope to god it gets patched LMAO

[signal iron]

The RDR2 one?

[limber hull]

yes

the literal definition of gamebreaking

[signal iron]

Never heard of it, shame a studio like rockstar games has issues like that

It just looks like a texture bug to me but i'll take your word for it

[teal fulcrum]

same. more like potato pc

[signal iron]

That's what I was thinking

Agree or disagree I couldn't care but it's my personal opinion that this game should be way further considering the dev team size and the amount of time the games been in development

-not saying the game is bad, its great, just not as great as it could be

[vale pulsar]

I never had this happen, you get this often?

[subtle sage]

hi i have problem with freezing blue screen with AE and cant get into game any help?

[signal iron]

Nope not often, happened twice in the span of 100 hours

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

Most common thing in game development, reoccurring bugs

[indigo gulch]

Another example, missing textures in the witcher 3 in the water in the river of the big city. (It’s been a while, forgot the name for a sec)

I actually was so confused when I saw it🤣

[teal fulcrum]

in my opinion, the bugs champions is still Ubisoft and Bethesda lol

[indigo gulch]

Oh yeah

Looking at you assassin’s creed unity

[teal fulcrum]

ac: valhalla texture flickering

[indigo gulch]

Oh yeah more modern🤣

Oh and reoccurring bugs happen often in games like League of legends and such

That are definitely gamebreaking

[acoustic spruce]

Can someone post this on the feedback channel?

The combat music is beautiful. However, the game would really benefit from more sound design with new music/tones that can appear when entering different locations; and even when doing different things.

Examples like:
• combat: the drum beat (already perfect)

• Discovering or entering a new location “biome”: different rotating clips of music that best embody the vibe you’re trying to go for in these areas.

• time of day: a light melody can play at sunrise or an eerie tone could play as the sun sets. (These would be amazing mood indicators that better help the player get into suspense.)

• achieving something new: I.e. entering a new stage in life, or even when making a successful hunt. (Just things that would subconsciously enrich the players experience)

• make sure the music is purposeful: making the music more purposeful for times like these can really have a positive effect and create more Emerson for the players.

Ik it’s a long ramble but I can’t stress this enough on how crucial sound design can make or break someone’s experience. Especially when it comes to musical emersion. (The games Dino sound design is amazing, no feedback for that)

[signal iron]

done 👍

[signal iron]

I reworded it after I said it

[bold oasis]

@spring harbor I’m going to assume your new but croc right now is actually quite underpowered. Once you get to know the map more, you will see that you can drink from quite a lot of areas with a 99% safety from a croc. I also suggest try playing croc if you really do feel that they are too strong

[indigo gulch]

Mb then, must have missed that

[urban flax]

I wouldn't call deino underpowered tbh

Badly designed ? Yeah
Underpowered ? no

[indigo gulch]

Underpowered is not the word of it

Suffering from terrain is more like it

[urban flax]

That's what I mean
Deino is made in a way that requires the entirety of the map catering to it for it to be effective
However it's still far from being unviable

[loud topaz]

Hi guys. Sorry for participating in this discussion, 100 Adult Deino here. Inside water killing a drinking prey... its hardcore. But with the AI fish nerves... its a starving simulator most of the times xD

[bold oasis]

Underpowered in the current “meta”

[bold oasis]

Deino is a really tricky playable to implement in a game because like you said the map needs to cater to them for them to be properly effective

[urban flax]

Well imo 2-3 deinos per server is properly effective
And I know deino populations right now are way higher than that

[signal iron]

is there ever going to be a predator to the stego (this year)

[bold oasis]

Very likely

[signal iron]

i want them to add allo because that's what ill be playing

praying it gets add in the next 3 months

[urban flax]

rex and allo are both in the works, and rex may release soon

[earnest crest]

I want big Snake 😔

[bold oasis]

I have heard Rex is more likely coming out before Allo but who knows

[signal iron]

rex is gonna be a tuff one to balance

[urban flax]

titanoboa is likely going to be released in a very long time, or never

[bold oasis]

Me and you both😔

[earnest crest]

Kinda funny rex wasn't like the first thing added
Considering he's like, every normie's favorite

[signal iron]

turn utahraptors into velociraptors!

[earnest crest]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-cobra-tongue-snakes-cobra-snake-gif-24520541

[bold oasis]

I like how they weren’t the first dinosaur. I love this small dinosaurs coming out first then coming into big. I feel it helps balance things better

[spring harbor]

i played croc and again its too powerful with no counterplay went to 5 ponds today which are usually save and in every pond there were a croc so i couldnt drink just want a chance to survive a croc thats all xD

[floral quest]

#general-feedback message
what did i saaaaay😂😂

[floral quest]

stegos kill a deino easily

[indigo gulch]

Plenty of safe spots to drink without crocs being able to do anything about it. You just gotta learn them

[limber hull]

i personally think mixpacking is extremely lame and a boring-ass way to play, that's not why i disagree

[wooden agate]

the best counter for croc is playing croc enough to understand the croc process and the popular spots where they go

[indigo gulch]

This tbh.

[floral quest]

please elaborate then

[indigo gulch]

Easy to abuse mechanic I’m assuming

[limber hull]

i think these debuffs will be used by mixpackers, not against them

[floral quest]

fairs

[spring harbor]

ye and 90% of them are guarded my packs of stuff

[floral quest]

just wish there could be some kind of system for it

[indigo gulch]

1. That’s not the croc’s fault. 2. Then wait or alternate sips

[floral quest]

idk man just not a fan of a stego running around with 6 dibbles and 3 ceras + a bonus herrera

[limber hull]

play a "throwaway" dino, get it to surround a certain target you want dead, discord call your big strong friend over from wherever he is, kill the nerfed dino with ease because it can't do as much due to the nerf applied to it

like it'd be weaponised by the very people it aims to debuff

[indigo gulch]

No one is

[indigo gulch]

Herbivore mixing is always gonna happen

[floral quest]

yes yes ik what u mean

[spring harbor]

That is indeed a crocs fault

[indigo gulch]

No?

[floral quest]

dude its not abt the herbis

[floral quest]

despite them pmo

[indigo gulch]

Oh mb most of the examples were herbis so I thought you meant them

[floral quest]

yeah i see what u mean

[indigo gulch]

How is it the croc’s fault that packs camp water🤨

[spring harbor]

because there are only few save spots because of the crocs???

[indigo gulch]

*guaranteed save spots

But the water getting camped in general is not the croc

[spring harbor]

ye makes no sense talking to you xD

[indigo gulch]

???

If a cera pack attacks anything getting near the water, it’s the croc’s fault? What? It’s not even doing anything

[spring harbor]

If a cera pack is forced to go to the savespot and stay there because of the CROC then yes its the crocs fault like hello?

[indigo gulch]

I said water

Not safe spots in general

Also, you don’t HAVE to

if you (small) and the cera drink, it’s most likely going for the cera

[indigo gulch]

Water drain is not nearly as fast that to camp the water…

[thick summit]

When I play deino I always go for the larger animal

Unless it's a stego

[indigo gulch]

F stegos🤣

[thick summit]

Fr

But I mean

[spring harbor]

ye as i said makes no sense

[thick summit]

I can avoid it

[woven bane]

skill issue

[thick summit]

I don't wanna touch gator for a while though

I'm waiting for the kit adjustments

[normal shuttle]

@spring harbor I know this may sound like just “git gud” but crocs really are just a knowledge check. You lose your cera or teno instantly because it is an 8 ton apex predator ambushing you, there should be no chance to escape in those circumstances (even though it is annoying to be locked into the death cutscene)

But in truth, deinos are awfully predictable. When they are larger, they always stick to the same places and the odds of you being lunged by one doing something as simple as moving 300 meters upstream simply plummet. And even then, there are many shallow areas and safe spots to drink where you can go with your average hour long thirst drain where it is much harder for a croc to sneak up on you compared to murky rivers like the delta or south plains

Call it cope, yapping, deino apology, mansplaining…Whatever you want, but those are the facts. Big croc need big food, and big food is 99% of the time in the same places

Just outsmart them, like going to places where no one goes (especially at night) or even simply going very quickly with a drink without sticking for too long in the open so they don’t have time to set up an ambush if there is any in the water

I’ve grown to appreciate deino a bit over time and I don’t think it is that much of a gamble anymore

Sometimes it can be because you have no indicators in some areas, but man the chances of getting snatched in a place like one of the waterfalls downstream from water access at night are nearly 0%

[frank tapir]

@night obsidian #general-feedback message there is no "lack of ai situation"

[vital laurel]

@spring harbor how exactly do you expect something to counter a crocodile over double their weight

[grizzled matrix]

Greatest suggestion ever

[indigo gulch]

It’s probably gonna get deleted tho😔

[hidden mist]

Erebus was better...

[woven bane]

erebus, rip

a legend that will never be forgotten

[dry falcon]

@meager yoke do you mean the dinosaurs are shiny in certain conditions

[thick summit]

it's just too peak

[woeful latch]

so true

nothing beats erebus🙏

[thick summit]

erebus?

[covert tiger]

@night obsidian why would we have anything personal against a random person we don't know?

He's getting negative reacts, including from me, cause most of what he said is either already in game or makes no sense.
The customization part sure, but I would rather resources be dedicated to improving the content of the game rather than cosmetics.
The food situation is better than ever - if you are starving today then it is 100% a skill issue and not a problem with AI spawn. I have no idea why there is this expectation that nobody should starve and that food should be instantly available everywhere without effort. What is the point of a hunger bar or a concept of starvation then?
The optimization is also excellent, albeit not perfect, thanks to recent patches. The vast majority of ppl I know get 60+ fps consistently if they have a PC from 2021 or newer. With how amazing graphics are in this game, I would say that's pretty good. Saying optimization is in a 'poor state' is objectively false. Of course, could always be improved to perfection but right now it's solid.

And lastly the 'not knowing when I get hit' is also incorrect. The game adds blood to the screen, the dino groans and flinches with every hit too.

The message I get when I read his post is: "pls make the game easier and give me more obvious hand holding, I don't like how brutal the survival is and that my PC can't run it"

[lusty seal]

@mild basin you have a very good suggestion, I hope the devs see that.

[golden horizon]

@calm forum "no one is playing small tier" ? I would beg to differ. Omni is acturly the most played dino every day on Petits atleast. There is also alot of beibis, herras, dilos and troodons to hunt as carno

[fathom tulip]

Justice for Pachy 🙏

Also is dryo disabled on that server or did literally no one pick it? Lol

[golden horizon]

Yeah nobody plays pachy

[golden horizon]

You can still pick it 💀

Pretty much dryo, hypsi, and pachy is in the isle graveyard

[fathom tulip]

[lusty seal]

Notice that almost all players are carnivores.

[golden horizon]

About 1:2 ratio, but i think its because of carnivor bias

[grizzled matrix]

Mainly because they're more enjoyable to play
Or because of bias, idk

[golden horizon]

Keep in mind most of the herbis are much stronger than carnivors, so in powerbalance I think it goes to the herbis

[grizzled matrix]

All i know is that i'm an herbie main

[golden horizon]

Most carnivors just hunt eachother because the herbis/omnivores just stay in big herds, while carnis can't mixpack

[grizzled matrix]

Well, that's only true on unofficials

[golden horizon]

This is why we need rex ASAP xD

[golden horizon]

Havent played on official in ages, i got tired of the mixpacking, cheaters and OP gastro mutation

[grizzled matrix]

Yeah fr, officials are unplayable

If you're a solo player

[golden horizon]

I haven't seen any cheaters on the server, but they have a log where you can see whenever somebody is banned for cheating its pretty nice

[golden horizon]

Like this mf

[thick summit]

@fathom tulip @bronze niche may I ask why you downvoted?

[bronze niche]

honestly i dont know why 💀 i was mad during that time and felt like it

[thick summit]

ah

[grizzled matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1278172639768346726/photo-of-nerd-emoji-emote.gif

[stable crow]

Whaaat I play Dryo on petits pieds

[fathom tulip]

I just don't think that those playables being weak is why people don't play them, its because the small tiers have the most underdeveloped gameplay. Buffing them would have a marginal increase in their player base while making them more frustrating to deal with

The only way to have those playables in the numbers for a proper ecosystem would be Ai or forced player count for the amount of specific animals allowed on a server at once

As in having animals grey out in the select menu when there's already a certain amount of them, with the number of each being lower the bigger the animal. Which could make for an interesting unofficial server, but would be widely hated if not togglable per server

[thick summit]

buffing doesn't necessarily mean making them in stronger in combat

They should get a better gameplay and provide more unique mechanics than larger carnivores/animals

[fathom tulip]

I 100% agree, I just don't see that as buffing. It's just adding more content

[tawny mason]

As touching as that is, I think some examples might help

[icy lion]

@tawny pendant It's in development

[fathom tulip]

@tawny pendant They are working on spawn codes I believe

[tawny pendant]

I know guys... But it takes soo long...

[icy lion]

So your post is just "please add this thing you're already adding"?

[tawny pendant]

Im asking to give this priority to add.

[indigo gulch]

Welcome to programming😁

[tawny pendant]

🥺 just asked...

[indigo gulch]

Yeah I get it, waiting sucks. Been on the wrong side of the map quite a bit myself😅

[lusty seal]

I prioritize spawn codes too, but if the community doesnt than that’s ok

[bronze niche]

@dawn hound droughts should happen at areas where there typically isnt a lot of deinos around as deinos have problem with starvation in most servers

and no this isnt coming from a deino player

[wintry cipher]

...food for thought but hail is freaking scary at times and would be very addable to the game.

[fathom tulip]

@zenith pagoda I saw that you aint slick

[zenith pagoda]

wdym lol

[fathom tulip]

Did it give you the long comment cooldown? lol

[zenith pagoda]

i was about to post on general feedback but i missclicked and send it incomplete

i need to wait for like 6 hours

crazy

[fathom tulip]

🪦

Guess it gives you time to finish it

[green niche]

Consider: the drought causes all safe spots to be exposed to air.... now you have to drink at the edge of the depths

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-smiley-so-emoji-gif-11971339

[bronze niche]

fatal mistake

you got a warning didnt you

[oblique crane]

na he got banned lol

[bronze niche]

yeah that was an instant even tho it was 1 warning lol

[mortal parrot]

@unreal ridge Troodon shouldn't have the fog and I think it would be more fitting if the fake vocals happened without the fog

[unreal ridge]

Im just saying if they insist on the fog might as well have both

I want troodon venom to make you hallucinate bushes/foliage moving all around you, footsteps everywhere and constant chittering and screeching

[mortal parrot]

I think Amarok mentioned the fog is being changed

Troodon shouldn't cause any Hallucinations besides the fake vocals

[unreal ridge]

people dont seem to like any of the original stamina draining or exhaustion based hunting, i would be more in favor of the venom exhausting prey

[mortal parrot]

People tend to exaggerate the amount of stamina consumption it should do

[unreal ridge]

in my mind it wouldnt directly consume prey's stamina but instead increase the stamina costs for their attacks and mobility. which limits their movement and can allow troodons to hunt without prey being able to run to water without losing like 15% of their stamina. meaning early onset venom locationing is essential for warding off troodons, but if they catch you in an open field its like a nun catching you with your pants down, you are gonna get beat

[cold garden]

The only problem with this is it would have to come after significant optimization updates, currently you can actually turn off the wiggling foliage and it dramatically improves your FPS to do so, to the point I always recommend new players to do so unless they have like a NASA computer lol ( if you regularly get super hard frame drops, it's in game settings not graphic settings, uncheck both the boxes involving foliage.. thank me later ) they would have to remove that setting for this to be viable but would have to optimized for the game to be playable without that on

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message not another “pin” mechanic please

i would rather want something to insta kill me instead of me sitting there watching it eating me alive or whatever

[mortal parrot]

@untold lava Iirc Don mentioned that certain playables will be able to counter pounces

[cold garden]

agreeing with this. pin is very fun for the creature doing the pinning.. it is not fun for the creature being pinned. making it even more of a frustration for the pinned player is not ideal lol

[covert tiger]

@tame jetty now why would you not want rex and trike on officials lol

[dawn hound]

They shouldnt happen in swamps And jungles

[bleak agate]

@thorn sorrel or just balance omni and dilo better

more rocks to jump on feels boring for both sides of the fight

[thorn sorrel]

Dont disagree at all, but one I think a few rocks would be nice, and two, the devs seem intent on not balancing exclusively around pvp, so I merely suggested a more realistic and aligned suggestion

However, I personally think it's complete BS that omni has worse running stam AND speed than dilo, making it entirely unable to outmanuever a dilo who is paying attention, or without super heavy cover

@bleak agate

[bleak agate]

yeah this is true. if omni didnt have less speed and stam then it would be more balanced for those who want to pvp dilos and those who dont want to

[thorn sorrel]

🙏

[junior nymph]

@storm aurora another thing is just make it so it makes your heath regen faster depending on how much you eat

instead of giving HP so you still gotta sit and heal

[limber hull]

Just make it a high HP regen, but it scales with stomach fullness. Literally zero way to metagame that and encourages a more food-oriented playstyle

[storm aurora]

yea thats also a good change

[urban flax]

@desert arch
I don't usually ping people who disagree with my suggestions but

Why not ?

[wooden agate]

@visual sinew #general-feedback message i hope you dont expect mid tier carnivores to be 1v1ing an apex herbivore either

[visual sinew]

dibble is not an apex herbi for one so that’s ruled out, most people play this game in packs, we just need either the elders feature or some stronger carnis to at least challenge things. I haven’t seen one subadult - adult stego be killed and most people literally avoid them like the plague, we can’t just have practically immortal herbivores

[wooden agate]

i was referring to stego specifically

stego is going to be challenged by rex, the next animal to be released. mid tiers arent going to be 1v1ing stegos (normally, anyway)

even then its said to be a pretty skill based 1v1 between rex/stego considering both are apexes

[visual sinew]

rex isn’t being released on officials no?

[wooden agate]

stego is being removed from officials

and kentro is being shoved in there when it releases

[visual sinew]

that should fix that then, wasn’t aware of that

mb

[wooden agate]

nah youre good dw

[limber hull]

depends, depends

rex might be added to officials, stego might be moved to unofficials, we have no idea what they wanna do yet

because it seems like dondi wants official rex

[wooden agate]

i go based of don words for roster status and he seems deadset on kicking stego to the curb recently

[limber hull]

he also seems deadset on official rex so

[wooden agate]

bro gets excited at the thought of stego being banished

can you imagine if rex goes official and stego gets removed

darkest timeline i fear

[visual sinew]

at the very least i do think it would be nice for the cerato play to decline though, carnos good but bc of the slow growth and turning like a truck it feels like the only carnivores i ever see consistently every time i play in large numbers are ceratos

[limber hull]

carno's getting some buffs next patch, namely to growth time and possibly other things

[lilac bolt]

yeah either way if they don't at least release on officials they won't stay in unofficials for too long I hope

[visual sinew]

if they are going to buff it i’m hoping they at least sort out the janky hit reg on the charges then, ive been knocked down by a charging carno that was facing the other way before

[lilac bolt]

I highly doubt with as much work as they put into theses dinos that they would stay in unofficials for a long amount of time

[visual sinew]

i guess the initial concern is that rex and trike would dominate play due to how overpowered they are and with some playables already underplayed they don’t want that

[lilac bolt]

yeah hopefully the apex system will actually do a good job at limiting how many apexs make it to adult but we'll see

[woven bane]

it won’t work

[tame jetty]

Because they're being released early because people want them so badly, but the roster isn't filled in at all so I believe devs don't want to deal with all the un-need feedback about broken balance point around trike and rex currently on release.
I bet once roster and more food and variation in the ecosystem finally gets more plumped up, the trike and rex do come to officals. But in the meantime before that, it's prob best to leave trike and rex for community servers choice to deal with

[desert arch]

Let me start this with saying that you had the right intentions, but completely wrong execution.

First, and probably the biggest issue:
In your suggestion you said that the stamina drain from the target would scale with the size difference between it, and the troodon. This alone would make the entire mechanic nearly useless, and let me explain why. Troodon is absolutely miniscule in the grand scheme of things, so the stamina drain effect would get outscaled to the point of uselessness extremely fast. And it would most likely need to be balanced around small animals, otherwise troodon would demolish them even harder than it already does, this in turn means that the effect would become obsolete vs things troodon actually struggles to hunt, even though it should.

Secondly:
Troodon is not only small, but also VERY fragile, which means that every time you go in for a bite you have a very real risk of being 1 shot, even versus things as small as herrera or dryo.

Thirdly:
It would unnecessarily drag out the already long hunts troodon has. A pack would need to whittle down their prey using bites before they can even start to actually do real damage. This is further worsened by the fact that you suggested the effect would only work against envenomated prey, which would be an around ~20 second window after every successful pounce (note that while yes, troodons bite also scales in dmg as the stages go up, the person youre fighting would just still run once they've reached stage 3, so in that scenario nothing changes).

So all in all, it would not help troodon versus the things it's actually struggling against since if you make it actually threatening for larger animals (omni sized and above), that would mean a single bite would be a death sentence for smalls, thanks to the scaling. It would also be a massive risk the troodon has to take, for potentially minimal reward, not even mentioning how tedious, and time consuming it would be to try and use in a real hunt.

[indigo gulch]

[junior nymph]

@stray spruce thats a old ss from spiro plus never had that

[stray spruce]

same issue, this screenshot just demonstrates it better and makes it easier to notice

[wintry cipher]

Should have added a similar picture from gateway for comparison ngl. Mods might remove that one due to looking extremely out of date.

[radiant nest]

Turn on lumen to change water reflections, and I’ve never seen those lines ever so not sure what that’s from

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message teno is a combo brawler, i dont mind it having a new attack. but it really should be something it could use in combo. and the most important part is that teno is more of a defensive brawler. its whole thing being really strong but only being able to use attacks in defense, it can only really do significant damage with its back, so kick + tail slam. adding a strong attack that is gonna be in front just seems like something teno shouldnt really have

i would rather have another way to hit things with the tail, like not slamming. but using it the way stego or anky do.

but imo teno has enough attacks, doesnt really need anything else

[woeful latch]

but i wouldnt mind if they add something like this

tho the devs said that the teno is finished and probably wont have any new attacks and stuff, which is fine i guess

the only thing i really want is semi-aquatic teno hehe

[urban flax]

The reason I said the effect would scale depending on the target's weight is because every playable has 1000 stamina, no matter its size. If you could drain 100 stamina from a rex in a single bite, it'd be absolutely horrendous

Also I'm not sure how it "requires" anything new for troodon since I didn't mention any nerf in my feedback. On the other hand, it makes fights shorter, not longer, since instead of waiting for the opponent to lose their stam, OR waiting to regen their own stam, troodons can take risks to deplete it themselves

Yes troodons are oneshots and they put themselves at a very high risk going for bites
That's why the tradeoff should be very high : draining stamina. It's nothing but a buff

[stray spruce]

and turn off my fps 😅

[desert arch]

Troodon already has one of, if not the best stamina regen of any carnivore, at just barely above 2 minutes, its issue is not stamina regeneration, it's the simple fact that the things it's hunting can simply press shift+W to completely nullify any effect the venom has, and the idea you proposed would not fix that. It's simply a buff in an area where it simply doesn't need it, troodon 3-4 shots everything up to 200kg, which is the exact size range the stamina drain from it's bites would be of any use, and as I said above, it's stamina regen is already one of the best in the entire game.

[covert tiger]

I think there are ways to add them now and re-balance them later once more apexes and mid tiers come out

[woeful latch]

someone suggested to add no stam cost for successful pounces on target with stage 3 venom, what do you think about that?

[desert arch]

If anything, it would give the envenomated prey even more reason to just shift W. And if the troodons only envenonate it up to stage 1, and then use the stam draining bite it wouldn't even tickle, which in turn lenghtens the fight.

[desert arch]

Im kinda neutral on that tbh. It wouldnt fix the chasing issue though.

[covert tiger]

@blazing charm if you get reabsorption at 33%, you can easily walk to delta in rain

[woeful latch]

tbf giving a troodon ability to chase anything is kinda meh. like shift +w not really a troodon issue, its a strat you can use fighting a lot of other dinos

[desert arch]

If it wasnt for bleed, omni would have the same issue, but bleeding forces the target to stay engaged.

[wooden agate]

buff omni bleed...........

[covert tiger]

Well not really
Omni would need to pounce for a long time to stack significant bleed enough for the prey to stop running

[woeful latch]

like 10 troodons chasing you across the map and pouncing you just seems busted. even tho they are one shot.
but lets not forget how buggy pounce is and how hard it is to defend yourself from little rats running around you and pouncing air and teleporting to your back

[desert arch]

Both omni and troodon use their pounce as their main dmg giver, omni is arguably even less stamina efficient than troodon is, yet it hunts fine.

[covert tiger]

Even against carno, a few seconds of bleed doesnt stop them from running

[desert arch]

A full bleed pounce bleeds out a carno completely if it runs, even just 10 seconds of bleed forces it to stop

[woeful latch]

i agree that troodon needs a buff, but we should be really careful with that, troodons in packs are actually very dangerous,

[desert arch]

How did that come up what

[covert tiger]

If a carno allows you to get a full bleed out, it deserves to die.
10 seconds of 2 raptors pouncing may stop it yeah, but I think that's the only exception, other dinos won't care and keep running

[desert arch]

Lets not forget bleeding targets are easier to track, and the omnis can trot them down, since their blood will be lower, thus less stam regen

Not to mention omni has an above average trot speed

[urban flax]

How does draining stam from the prey not solve their ability to run away ?

[covert tiger]

With that said, I honestly wouldn't mind this
It wouldn't be busted since they can be oneshot
Would actually make players fear large troodon packs rather than consider them an annoyance to shrug off
Would make it viable

Stam drain x2 when affected by troodon venom is the perfect fix to prevent prolonged troodon chases imo

[desert arch]

1. It gets outscaled insanely fast.
2. The troodons wont even get the chance, once the target is stage 3, even though their bites would do more dmg, the target would just run regardless.

[woeful latch]

imo its too op, draining stam is meh, i would rather want troodons to be able to pounce more times

[desert arch]

And its just another incentive to cheese the venom effects by stalling

[urban flax]

wdym it gets outscaled insanely fast ?

[urban flax]

It's a more interactive version of increasing stam costs which everyone suggests

[woeful latch]

but imo, troodon is a pack animal, so what im thinking is 5% is a lot when you're solo, but 5% is alright when there like 8 of you.

[desert arch]

You said its relative to the size different between the troodon and the target, like how bilo works. Troodon is tiny, the things it hunts are massive, and it also needs to be balanced for smaller animals as well, if its threatening to bigger ones, it just removes a smaller ones stamina in one bite.

[urban flax]

Uh, not necessarily ?

[woeful latch]

i really dont like that, dinos like maia are really really weak when they're out of stam

same with some other animals.

draining stam just seems like too op

[urban flax]

Let's say stam drain's max effectiveness is draining 10% of the target's stam in one bite, which happens on target 3x troodon's size and smaller
Then it decreases after that point

[urban flax]

And potato says it's too weak

[woeful latch]

and another thing is that stage 3 pounce does 120 damage and imo 5% per pounce for 120 damage is alright?

[desert arch]

*unnecessarry buff vs the things it already mops the floor with

[covert tiger]

Just a flat double multiplier for stam consumption when affected by troodon venom
That's all that's needed

[eager socket]

[woeful latch]

im gonna play some troodon in a bit, just so i understand the troodon situation better

[eager socket]

Troodon just needs to not lose a ton of stam for each pounce and a good dismount and boom it’s golden