general-feedback-discussion

[neat scroll]

I have the free will right now to get up, take the pineapple on my counter, and throw it off the roof of my house at an unsuspecting passerby. Will I? Will every person on earth who has a pineapple on their counter right now go throw it off their roofs at strangers? No. Because there's choice involved, and some people will choose differently than you and I.

The option to have a baby is not what contraceptive does. Contraceptive prevents babies when you've already decided you don't want to have one. If we took away the option for everyone to choose whether they wanted babies or not, that would be dystopian as hell, no?

[tame jetty]

To be honest. IF the server dont want mix-species pack, or herding. or see it as only problem.
They dont have to add it^^

Its all a Free Choice. Nobody being forced to enable it, when its set to be disabled at default :)

And same goes for servers that want it enabled, it would open up for much better gameplay in all these servers that suffers right now because of the lack of this setting option

[tame jetty]

good points

[golden horizon]

No you misunderstood me, i just didnt wanted to say the word, cause idk if it will get me banned, but the preventative measures of not getting a baby is using co*oms

But the cure will be having an abort which is 10x worse then using protection

so u see how the prevention is most of the time better than the cure

[neat scroll]

I think there are problems with the echo right now. There are, in my head, 3 different volumes right now.

The really far away "I'll echo all over the map" noises

The "you're close but good luck buster" sounds

And the "oh I'm actually standing directly on top of something now and it blew out my eardrums"

And there are hard lines between all of them for no reason, plus the issues with directional noise, especially in certain parts of the map that echo terribly

[golden horizon]

Well its getting very late in europe rn, so imma head out, thx for the chat😉

[tame jetty]

I am not sure if you missed it.

But i just want to make sure that you understand the point. And its no bad thing with having server options for servers. Absolutely none bad thing.

and as your saying earlier, with ''x becoming mandatory just because its a THING in existance''.. that doesnt work.
Because, like said before which you might have missed. There is servers that has Low rules. But you dont see this Low rules becoming mandatory on everywhere else just because it excist? No, because free will excist and each and one community will customize themself how they see fit

meaning all kind of servers, with diff rules, more rules, no rules, roleplay and humans and not humans

Just because one thing is possible on planet x, doesnt mean it will be put in place on planet y. Get me?

Just because offical has a problem with mixpackers and mega herders. Doesnt mean everywhere else is this problem. For example, on server i play, this is 0% a problem..

I promise you, servers would enable this setting i suggest if it fits. Or leave it disabled if not fit ^^

[neat scroll]

That's the solution if you don't want a baby.

If you do want a baby, mandating that sort of thing ruins your life.

It would be messed up to require everyone who wanted something different to live exactly like you do just because you chose to live the way you do.

The correct analogy for the situation is this:

I want a baby, but you don't want a baby in your life, so you are requiring that I never have a baby because you personally don't want one.

And that's messed up.

No one requires you to play on servers that have that setting enabled. But just because you don't want to does not mean my choice to do so should be voided.

[golden horizon]

I play on Petits btw, and they do allow grouping with other herbis, but i must admit since I mostly play carnivor I have a bias towards carnivors, and adding this option will just make the herbis more coordinated, which indirectly will make carnivor gameplay more difficult

[tame jetty]

There is most likely servers where mixherding isnt allowed ect.. if you dont like mixherding, then maybe consider moving server to where its not allowed.. 👍🏼

[golden horizon]

Petits is too good man, they have all sorts of things like natural ecosystem, save dinos slots, integrated population control, nerf/removal of OP mutation etc.

[tame jetty]

I play on PACK. and there is mixherding allowed, but with restrictions. MAYBE, it could suit you a LITTLE bit better, than petits. Because same tier cant mixherd, so you'd not get dibble packing with many maias for example.. ect

[golden horizon]

I acturly exlusively play on that server

Hopefully they will never enable the option on Petits but u never know

[eternal orbit]

I 100% agree! That is a great way of putting it, there are only 3 levels of sound. So once you are within that ~200m "really close" sound it's nearly impossible to tell just how close you really are.

[tame jetty]

I get that those server settings might be very lovely for you personally.

But, then lets turn it around then so you maybe understand too how we others feel with wanting server option with cross-spieces herding option. And Love and understand why customizable server settings for unoffical servers are needed and welcomed.
Because, lets imagine your server didnt do WHAT you LOVE- remove op mutations, the restrictions ect... BUT you WANT THIS and ENJOY your gameplay time SO much BECAUSE of these server spesific options enabled!

Imagine how you'd feel if that wasnt possible? you'd be yeh well, annoyed and sad, and frustraited....

Now imagine how we others feel when constantly having trouble mixherding with the herds we can do on the servers we enjoy example, and its all a hellish annoyance because of this.

Imagine how nice the server option seting would've been to have for we that want it enabled, Just like you love your server settings on Petits?

[neat scroll]

Sound seems less like something you experience on a gradual scale and definitely more so a zoning thing with far too few zones. Would love to see fixes to that. But also, maybe it's the map design? For places like Highlands Valley, I think the echo is awesome. It just seems very prevalent right now, and maybe that's because of the way certain areas are shaped with elevation and such? Dunno

[golden horizon]

Oh i'm not talking about mandating any laws, but if you as a couple don't plan to have a baby, the option that will do less harm is using protection which will be the "preventive" measure, but if you didn't use protection for whatever reason, you would have to assort to abortion, which will be the "cure"

You can also relate it to alcohol. Sure the occupational drink will probably not do much harm, but before you know 1 drink becomes 2,3,4 etc, so to prevent alcohol from being an issue somebody would choose to not drink at all. Same with cigarettes, gambling etc.

[tame jetty]

The things you love and enjoy on Petits Rain, would not be possible if the servers could NOT customize the experience.

As i said above, imagine how you'd feel if this wasnt possible and the server couldnt restrict or edit the server how they want and how you love it.
I bet, you'd be really annoyed and sad you cant play in this 'customized setting senario'.

Exactly how we who vouch for server option settings, and the herd-mixpack and herdpacking setting option, and frank, Any server customize setting, feel when it isnt available and we're playing right now by a inconvinient world.

[sacred narwhal]

What do people think about my nesting suggestion

[golden horizon]

Those server options on Petits were already established, and not the settings you're suggesting. You don't even know how it will play out if they decided to implement it.
Also the feeling of losing a feature is much greater than the feeling of getting a new feature, which plays heavily on the loss aversion cognitive bias we all have

[tame jetty]

It still wouldn't be possible to have them, if devs didnt allow for customized unoffical server experience. We'd all be playing like offical....
But thank god they're focused also on community server diversity, and unique playerstyles ect! and implement different server settings for each server to do what they want with on their server

also, the fear of WHAT IF scenario with 'addition of a new setting', is quite tame, because, specially in this suggestion, it cant go bad or wrong. Because it all gets balanced around the servers themselfs enabling or leaving the sever setting option disabled, and never touching it if they dont want.

[white elm]

#general-feedback message Hypsi is confirmed to get climbing soon.

Troodon and Omni, no.

Even young Omnis can pin adult Herreras... no fair for the Herreras.

[cursive lintel]

Anyone else when playing as a Maia their kicks get canceled when a raptor pounces you? not sure if this is the right channel to be asking about this i think so I just want to know if anyone else was this problem.

[bleak agate]

i would fw buffing omni if it messes with herre players...

[eager socket]

@river idol carno current build is for fighting things smaller than it teno is not one of those things and hands down one of the best counter to carno

[river idol]

either way it makes no sense that i should die to it. the current build is bad

[eager socket]

Even when it was 1.8T carno would lose to teno

[river idol]

yes but it was small.

[eager socket]

Teno is a brawler with high powered kicks and stuns

[river idol]

teno gets bodied by ceras. why is it so powerful against carno,

[eager socket]

It shouldn’t if the skill level is equal the teno should win

Carno build is for punching down not up

[covert tiger]

@severe rampart you literally answered your own question
The only reason that water drain exists is to stop them from migrating to every water body they want freely / easily

[eager socket]

^

[tranquil vale]

@bold lodge I liked your idea about a Stress System.

I saw something similar on reddit yesterday and wrote this down on how it could be done, would love any feedback / discussion it.

Mix Packing Solution: The Stress/Panic System

In nature, when predators lurk near prey, it becomes a test of resolve. Healthy prey animals can hold their nerve, standing united as an impenetrable wall of muscle and horns, locking out any sign of weakness. However, older, sicker, younger, or inexperienced individuals may panic, creating opportunities for predators to exploit.

To replicate this dynamic in The Isle, I propose a Stress/Panic System. This system would calculate stress levels based on variables such as growth stage, diet, group composition, and the presence of predators. The longer predators remain nearby, the more stress prey animals accumulate, potentially triggering one of three responses: Fight, Flight, or Freeze.
Mechanics

**Fight**: Prey in optimal conditions (perfect diet, no debuffs) would resist panic and function as normal, maintaining composure and defending themselves effectively.
**Flight**: Stressed prey might experience reduced attack damage, increased maximum speed, or lash out randomly (similar to cannibal sickness).
**Freeze**: In severe cases, prey could suffer from disrupted vision, impairing their ability to respond to threats.

How It Solves Mix Packing

This system discourages mix packing by increasing stress levels for herbivores when in proximity to carnivores. Over time, the rising panic makes herbivores more vulnerable to external threats and less effective in supporting their carnivore allies. As a result, players are incentivized to group with their own species to maintain cohesion and survival.

[bold lodge]

👍 , although I think stress should remain a more simple feature, just being impacted by the proximity to carnivores over a period of time. I also believe the stress responses shouldn't encourage specific ways the player should play, but instead just aim to leave the area, like causing faster nutrition decay, some sort of sickness or muscle spasms, or maybe audible hallucinations

[tranquil vale]

That makes sense. What do you think about drawn out hunts? I considered if the herbivore was simply taking damage that could indicate the proximity with the carnivore is from a hunt but, I feel this could also be very exploitable depending on the timers.

[limber hull]

A stress system designed to specifically punish herbivores for being hunted by carnivores

I can't see how this would go wrong at all

This doesn't even solve carni/carni mixpacking LMAO

[bold lodge]

I think it'd be cool if, during long stalking sessions, the herbis notice their stress levels are rising, and that realisation would be spooky. But it should only happen if they're with the carnivores for longer periods of time, like 15-20 minutes.

[bold lodge]

Could implement the same thing with carnivores in proximity with other carnivores, we're just coming up with ideas here

[limber hull]

We giving herbivores spidey-sense now? Kinda makes ambushes lame if you have a time limit before the game just tells the herbis you're there

[bold lodge]

just follow a little further behind

we'd need a better footstep tracking system for that though

[limber hull]

So don't get close... to ambush?

I don't have a sniper rifle, I gotta get close to land that first blow

[tranquil vale]

@limber hull Agree with Chris, this system could really exist for Carnivors on each others diet. etc. Just a discussion at this point.

[bold lodge]

If you're lining up the ambush for 20 minutes thats kinda on you

[limber hull]

If it takes 20 minutes to get stressed out, then it's easy as hell to mitigate

Any mixpack in a discord call can coordinate their spacing to avoid penalty

[bold lodge]

What is your idea to dissuade mixpacking?

[tranquil vale]

This would be excellent to play into the Horror aspect of the game. I could see it being really exciting for Humans too!

[bold lodge]

oh yeah for humans that would be scary asf

[limber hull]

Def not a stress system, especially not one that negatively impacts stats or tries to tell players how they're supposed to feel. Imagine getting "flight" as a diablo, an animal which is entirely built to stand its ground against threats, and just doing less damage, basically dooming you against your attackers

Why would humans need a stress system? It's scary enough without being artificially told you're meant to be scared

[bold lodge]

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of that sort of system that encourages playstyles

[limber hull]

Besides, humans are one-tap to a vast majority of the roster

85HP is... not a lot

[bold lodge]

imagine needing to grow human from baby

you'd spawn in as toddler regularly, but you could be born in

[limber hull]

Human progression is more built around equipment, not growth

[bold lodge]

my guy I'm being funny

[limber hull]

Some people legitimately think this game will have human babies and childbirth so

That is not a joke that is a real thing people want for this game

[tranquil vale]

I feel like it's not too much of an issue. Obviously what I've suggested is comprehensive but it could something simple to begin with. Diets already also encourage playstyle and punish you for not having something decent.

[limber hull]

Not anymore. Diet punishment is bye bye now

You either have buffs or you don't, but you aren't debuffed for not having diet anymore

Also stress, unlike diets, is something your opponent can influence and control, basically making it a powerful trolling tool

[tranquil vale]

Not having buffs is kind of the 'debuff' but I agree, it's less punishing and only more so if you want to nest and become infertile. I get the sense this will change with Elders coming in and keeping diets up will unlock he Elder stage.

[barren zephyr]

o_o

[icy lion]

@barren kestrel Hold E on grass

[barren kestrel]

wait like you can graze?

whaaaaat

[icy lion]

Yep

[limber hull]

yup

[barren kestrel]

I am the dumb

poor fat stego just dying to death surrounded by food

well the last few hours could have been a lot more pleasant

[tranquil vale]

As a herbviore player, I'd be open to try it. Mix packing is even more trolling and just so rampant that it needs - something.

[barren kestrel]

I'll remember that for sure

[limber hull]

As someone who often plays herbivore, I despise it when games try to tell me how I'm supposed to feel, at the detriment of immersion

[tranquil vale]

Also, dont eat bones as a Carnivore unless you're a Cera or Deino (croc) you'll get sick

[barren kestrel]

did they drop that new ai update yet?

I'm excited for that. I stopped playing carnivore because the mix packing is just so bad.

[icy lion]

What AI update?

[barren kestrel]

want to go live somewhere where you can't be targeted by like nine different species all living in an exclusive club

they're supposed to fix the ai snack critters so they aren't invisible I guess

[icy lion]

#announcements

[barren kestrel]

happened to me again like two hours ago.

[icy lion]

agony

[barren kestrel]

ahhhh nerts.

[icy lion]

Report that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 then!

[tranquil vale]

To be honest, this genre of survival game is just so niche I don't know what to compare it to, to give you a proper answer. Someone mentioned Beasts of Bermuda has a system to deal with mix packing but I haven't seen it.

[limber hull]

BoB's one is pretty garbage I'mma be honest

It's exactly why I hate stress systems

[tranquil vale]

Having a google, it's the Comfort System?

[eager socket]

@tranquil vale so 0 debuffs for predators essentially making stalking and being toxic by lingering around herbi groups and making herbi gameplay even less desirable

And even if debuffs to carnivore galli do it in reverse

Unfortunately there isn’t really a effective way to mitigate mixpacking with game system without it being rather easily abuse able

@signal iron what bugs I’m interested

Also they are a small studio production not some triple A giant with hundreds of devs and game designers at their disposal to pump out content.

The last 3 points are fair though they do have admins so 2.5 fair I guess

[slate cargo]

dumb question i thought juvenile carnivores was getting ai compies in the sanctuaries

[haughty fossil]

#general-feedback message
I think it should be both ways around, like if the eggs are laid the nest shouldn't just poof immediately. dads should be able to hatch and care for their young cause it's happened a lot where we finally get eggs down and then my partners like die

[acoustic spruce]

Having a tutorial section for a ‘how to’ play each dinosaur to get use to and familiar with the mechanics. I’m saying this cause I don’t really know how to do anything on this game and it would be extremely helpful.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message what’s the problem for this being server side mod? why so many downvotes lol?

modding and server customization is confirmed anyway

[eager socket]

People hate creativity

[limber hull]

people see mixpack and see red

even if it's entirely avoidable

[eager socket]

Imagine hating herbivores being in groups

Which is entirely historically accurate and isn’t even op sense herbi are fat and slow

[woeful latch]

imagine staying together to survive, when 70% of the server are carnivores

[eager socket]

Fr

They want every herbivore to be alone so it’s free 99

[indigo gulch]

looks at galli

Well omnivore, but glorified herbi

[eager socket]

Galli where a holes it’s entirely up to each herd if they let them exist or chase them out

Pachy gangster walking gif when

https://tenor.com/view/pachy-pachycephalosaurus-dinosaur-fighting-head-gif-17281024

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but that’s with every dino no?😅

[eager socket]

Most of the current omnivores are more plant based than anything so that’s why

Like beipi is pescatarian

[white elm]

#general-feedback message I think this would clutter the sniffing system too much. Gastroliths are extremely common in the right areas

[limber hull]

it'd be like being able to sniff grass

[white elm]

pain

[woeful latch]

yes, that would be horrible, since gastroliths are everywhere

i had a suggestion to make gastroliths rare, but more effective, i just don’t like them being like literally everywhere around the map.

like what’s the point of gastroliths if they’re always accessible and you can always use them. basically my point is if everyone can use gastroliths whenever they want the feature itself becomes meh

[white elm]

it is far more integral to herbivore growth than carnivore growth

anything to slightly boost the herbivore population gets approval from me

[woeful latch]

yes, but with the current amount of ai the carnivores can use it too

[woeful latch]

ahah fair xd, tho i never use gastroliths, i use puke+salt lick🥲

it’s just better

[white elm]

in fact I wouldn't mind gastroliths being entirely restricted to herbivores

carnivores shouldn't have a mechanic to encourage them to drain their food, as food SHOULD BE far harder for them to come across than herbivores

and the only dinosaurs to make use of them are modern day birds and sauropods

[woeful latch]

hm.. i think it’s more of a gamble for the carnivores, like you can get better diet but at the same time you’re kinda putting yourself in danger, because you might not find food in time and starve

gastroliths give 5x food drain afaik

[white elm]

even then, carnis and herbis shouldn't be on equal footing IMO

[woeful latch]

it probably depends on playable, but teno has 5x with the gastroliths

[white elm]

I will always be of the opinion that, of a carni and herbi of the same size, the herbi should be far easier to grow

[woeful latch]

hmm idk really, i don’t mind carnivores using gastroliths honestly

[white elm]

of the low tiers, there should be far more tenos than carnos

of the mid tiers, there should be far more maias than allos

of the high tiers, there should be far more shants than rexes

[woeful latch]

imagine if herbivores were harder to grow lmao, almost no one would play as herbi, like even with the grazing and afk grow being in the game herbis are always a minority

[white elm]

not to say that shants should be common tho

[woeful latch]

i honestly doubt we will ever see herbivores as majority, but hopefully things will change

the isle default player would rather choose cool-looking allosaurus or trex instead of a big cow that eats grass and dies

[white elm]

imagine this

a mass migration, tonnes of maia, tenos, diablos, etc

then a small allo pack emerges and brings down a maia, causing the herbivores to panic and flee

I doubt this would ever happen

but I desperately want carnis to be the minority

just so when you do see them, you feel genuine terror

I'm kind of hypocritical tho, I really should play more herbis...

I'm growing a maia now at least

I WANT MASSIVE HERBIVORE HERDS

I WANT MIGRATION ZONES TO BE ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN AN ENTIRE MAIA HERD AND MORE

[woeful latch]

yeah.. the allos will probably get killed in seconds by giant herd xd

[white elm]

I WANT TO SEE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT HERDS OF ANIMALS COEXIST

[white elm]

and that 😔

[woeful latch]

so i had a migration zone changes idea as well.

so what if we had a permanent migration zone for each species? like part of the east plains for the teno for example, it would be like a “hub”, with all the tenos being relativity safe, having a home on the map and nesting there.

at the same time we will have a mass migrations for the herbivores all around the map, it will be a temporary hot spot on the map that will change every few hours. and the reason to go there could be to get nutrients, find something to fight, find other dinos, nest and just interact with other players

[white elm]

interesting... I think hacker has the best idea tho

making one universal ever changing migration zone

and you can choose to either spawn in that or the sanctuaries

[woeful latch]

basically what i said?

[white elm]

without the permanent migration zones

[woeful latch]

oh

[white elm]

Idk that idea feels like it could get old

not to say that rushing to south plains DOESN'T get old quick tho...

[woeful latch]

i mean, tbh permanent migration zone, or like “home zone” call it what you want might be a great addition, you will always know where to go if you want to meet your own specie

especially for the dinos that no one usually plays as

[woeful latch]

mhhm south plains.. i hate that place on the map so much

[white elm]

fair

[white elm]

😔

the great tragedy of dino games

[woeful latch]

i mean, it’s just the truth..

[white elm]

everyone wants to be the hunter, no one wants to be the hunted

[woeful latch]

yeah and i guess it’s fair

even tho i personally can call myself a herbivore player, like i genuinely don’t like the current carnivores in the game, most of them are cheesy and op, or just a lot stronger than they should be.

tho i like the carno, its the only carnivore i can play and have actual fun and challenge lol

[grizzled matrix]

not true
when i pick an herbivore it's because i wanna get hunted by some carnis ||and then killing them ||

[white elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-dinosaur-king-gif-19692498

[woeful latch]

AHAH SO TRUE

[white elm]

...armkneeraptor moment

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/1331535679301091348/Petting_Troodon.gif

[grizzled matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1066680692529975316/image0.gif

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844661797294170/imageedit_19_2009532853.gif

[full canopy]

I just saw a player that got away from me but I can't smell any footsteps anywhere. Why is that?

[desert arch]

If you bit them, press Q on their blood, youll track their footprints that way too

[full canopy]

just stubled upon a dead deer and 2 dead boars which I couldn't smell.

I hate looking for food even when it works as intended, so when it's not even functioning it's really abysmal

[thick summit]

I used to love South plains when everyone was at East plains back in the gateway launch

[sudden shell]

@bold lodge if you bite right as you hit the water you might catch one, its fun

every time i get one its just

[indigo gulch]

@tender bone you do realize that cera has great bleed resist right? At least above 50% hp

That doesn’t make omni weak, it makes Omni less ideal to fight a cera with

[desert arch]

Cera when dmg pounce:

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[indigo gulch]

True, better to do that

[desert arch]

So this is what you needed it for, I see

[woeful latch]

ahah

[desert arch]

Anyways, a solo cera should be easy pickings for 3 omnis, especially in the open.

The only hope the cera has to survive is hard camping

[indigo gulch]

I do backupchecks, what can I say🤣 I had to be sure, tho I was right to begin with

[wintry cipher]

Theres a 5 minute grace period after a body drops where you cant smell it so you can eat quickly and move before scavengers find you

So those bodies were likely recent

[indigo gulch]

What DOESNT win with hard camping vs omnis

[desert arch]

Too real😔

[woeful latch]

yeah.. so true

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @outer imp why does it need to be nerfed?

[sudden shell]

id say a 175 kilo bundle of rabid stupidity with claws bodyslamming you from 30 meters up would cause significant bleeding

[gloomy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-18822003

https://tenor.com/view/oi-gif-20749371

[indigo gulch]

That too and it helps herra “chase” prey that isn’t instantly dead from a headshot jump

Else it bolts for the nearest mountain/plain

[sudden shell]

its a great deterrent for the more stubborn things that want to steal your kill too

[indigo gulch]

Jep!

[lusty seal]

Chad Gannicus

[fathom tulip]

Am I missing the meme for the peeing on trees suggestion or do people actually want their dinosaurs to be able to urinate? I'm not sure whether to be concerned or not

[gloomy reef]

i swear all of these pple at herbi players 😭

[woeful latch]

lmao

deino already does 1k damage to stego if it’s a headshot, its 1/6 stegos hp

[gloomy reef]

Then make it do the same damage i just want a feature thats cool 🤷‍♂️

and thats if the stego doesnt run and thats if the stego doesnt kill u instantly

[woeful latch]

why? why do you think it’s cool and why do you think deino should have it?

[urban flax]

You want a feature that is useless just because ?

[gloomy reef]

Deino is practiclly useless right now.

[woeful latch]

who said that?

[gloomy reef]

isnt the stegos charge attack useless

if u want to use that logic

[urban flax]

no ?

[gloomy reef]

u can avoid rivers drink from ponds

[urban flax]

You say it would deal the same damage as a bite
So it'd be useless

[gloomy reef]

deletes deino out of your whole gameplay

[gloomy reef]

then make it like the stegos charge attack

u like that dont u?

[urban flax]

But why ?

[gloomy reef]

because like i said deino is BORING

[woeful latch]

hm i can, that’s for sure, but how does that makes deino bad?

[gloomy reef]

6 hours of growth for what

[urban flax]

Then play something else ?

[outer imp]

I just played as a Herrerasaurus and attacked a fully grown Ceratosaurus. I jumped on his head just once and literally a minute later he died from bleeding..

[gloomy reef]

. removes the WHOLE aspect of deino like what?

[woeful latch]

that feature won’t make it less boring tho

[gloomy reef]

Go play herbi simulator if u dont want carnis to kill u

[woeful latch]

there are pond deinos too tho

[gloomy reef]

it will its a massive update to deino that has a new attack people will play it

[gloomy reef]

yea maybe BIG MAYBE in highlands not rlly anywhere else

[urban flax]

I didn't say anything related to carnis killing me

[woeful latch]

what’s the difference between that “new attack” and just regular lunge? or just bite? what makes it more fun?

[gloomy reef]

Cas obv u dont want a good attack for deino like stegos charge attack im assuming u dont want to be killed ???

[gloomy reef]

"Clamp"

It clamps onto there head? something like utahs pounch

[urban flax]

Deino is made to kill things under half its weight, using lunge
giving it a new attack that is designed to kill things outside its lunge range is against deino's identity

[gloomy reef]

but not pounchin its clamping

[woeful latch]

so it’s just another one shot mechanic you want?

[gloomy reef]

LOL its against deinos identity?? Deino was based of crocs irl and what CROCS DO IRL IS LIT CLAMP ON THING thats why u have stuff like the death roll, Not saying deino had it but it would be able to CLAMP onto things.

[urban flax]

That's lunge

[gloomy reef]

its not a 1 shot mechanic it makes fighting deinos more HARD because as herbis your not supposed to go trying to fight deinos 😭

[gloomy reef]

no lunge is completly different to clamp, And again if u want to use that logic then isnt stegos charged attack just its normal alt attack but more op?

[urban flax]

This is a game in which deino is a playable character. It has a designated role in the game, which is "surprisingly" NOT to be killing huge things with some extra ability

[woeful latch]

no one does that tho? maybe only to land deinos, but deinos are not suppose to stay on land. if they’re staying on land they should be in a disadvantage

[gloomy reef]

Ok again use that logic and the herbi made for defense(stego) and eating grass shouldnt be able to kill HUGE THINGS like again DEINO

[urban flax]

Charged swing is, as its name implies, a charged attack

[gloomy reef]

and as clamp implies a CLAMP ATTACK

[urban flax]

Of course its should
How else would it defend itself ?

[urban flax]

So like lunge ?

[woeful latch]

so you want it to be able to one shot an adult stego on land?

[gloomy reef]

ive seen alot of stegos fighting deinos who are in water instead of running away?

[wintry cipher]

....isnt the "clamp" just the alt bite? Gen. Deino has lunge, alt, and bites- im confused what a clamp does thats diff

[gloomy reef]

who said its gonna go onto land? stego is faster then deino

[urban flax]

oneshots stego

[gloomy reef]

Clamp is clamping onto the stego?

[woeful latch]

yeah, why not? it’s a stego, if it’s in the water deino can grab it

[gloomy reef]

nobody said it will one shot stego , COULD DO BLEED TO STEGO?

[gloomy reef]

deino cant grab a stego?

[woeful latch]

yes?

[gloomy reef]

clamp is something to add for AMBUSHES

[urban flax]

Then it's a bite

[urban flax]

That's lunge

[gloomy reef]

what logic u going by dude? u cant grab a fg stego?

[woeful latch]

why? why would deino be stronger on land tho

[gloomy reef]

what

[woeful latch]

you can if it’s swimming

[gloomy reef]

im talking about ambushes? inwater

not in land

[wintry cipher]

Deino can grab a swimming stego and drown it

[gloomy reef]

your clamping on it and doing bleed damage thats not alt bite

[gloomy reef]

fully grown

.

[icy lion]

Yup

[wintry cipher]

Yes

[woeful latch]

lmao

[gloomy reef]

Still adds more to ambushes a stego 🤷‍♂️

and any dino

[fathom tulip]

Wait seriously? So all these times I was swimming across a river as fg stego thinking I was invincible they could have grabbed me? lol

[wintry cipher]

Yes

[fathom tulip]

Thank god they didn't know that lol

[woeful latch]

it shouldn’t be able to kill a stego on land, or “ambush” it

[gloomy reef]

Clamp can clamp onto a stegos head has to be on the head and do a big amount of BLEED

[wintry cipher]

Deinos grab threshold is 75% in water and 200% on land

[woeful latch]

it should die if it tries to kill the stego on land and that’s how it in the game pretty much

[gloomy reef]

it can and did like what, u see crocodiles half to size of buffolos irl killing them by clamping onto them

[urban flax]

But again
Why
Deino is NOT supposed to be a contender to stego, like carno isn't a contender against deino (or against dibble if you prefer using herbis)
There is no reason to give it an extra attack to fight specifically against stego, because it's purposefully out of its league

[woeful latch]

it’s not irl, it’s a game

[wintry cipher]

Bleed would not be very useful to a deino. The stego would just run off and heal or die out of reach

[gloomy reef]

deino is supposed to be a contender to stego there both APEXS

[woeful latch]

no?

[wintry cipher]

Yes. Stego beats deino on land. Deino beats stego in water

[gloomy reef]

what happened to making this a realistic dino game

[grizzled matrix]

Aren't they semi-apexes?

[urban flax]

Deino is a water apex
It's uncontested in the water
And surprise, it oneshots stego if both are in the water

[gloomy reef]

Stego still takes the win most time in water

[woeful latch]

its the same as asking stego to be able to 1v1 the deino while swimming in the water

[icy lion]

It's not meant to be accurate to real life at all

[gloomy reef]

soo dondi simulator

[icy lion]

What

[wintry cipher]

This is a sci fi horror survival. Keyword scifi. A lot of the dinos are mutated

[urban flax]

It was never the case

[gloomy reef]

they have scrapped the whole realistic goal of the isle and done what dondis wants?

[grizzled matrix]

[urban flax]

(They actually don't contain the slightest bit of dinosaur DNA)

[gloomy reef]

yea thats what im saying

[urban flax]

The goal was never to be realistic lol

[waxen moss]

These Animals were made by humans btw

[icy lion]

Making the animals feel like they could exist has nothing to do with making them function like real animals or making them accurate to the real things

[woeful latch]

there are dinosaurs in modern world, how’s that realistic? what are talking about😭

[icy lion]

This has always been and always will be a sci-fi game

[wintry cipher]

Idk where yall think this game is based on irl. Theyre on a jungle island with modern animals and human buildings

[woeful latch]

the isle was never meant to be “realistic”

[gloomy reef]

so they can add wings to a stego and say "but it doesnt have anything to do with making them function like real life animals"

[urban flax]

immersive/believable =/= realistic

[gloomy reef]

its possible

[icy lion]

If they wanted to have stego have wings in lore, sure, but they don't

[wintry cipher]

You can have a grounded and realistic game without it being paleo-accurate and historic

[icy lion]

Apples and oranges to me

[gloomy reef]

[urban flax]

Why is this a trend

[icy lion]

Have you seen our spino? Our beipi? Our herrera?

[gloomy reef]

its common knowledge thats crocs can clamp lunge roll

[urban flax]

Every time someone explains the game isn't realistic they start talking about stegosaurus having wings

[icy lion]

Hell, omniraptor is right there lol

[gloomy reef]

im not talking about the models right now

[wintry cipher]

Cool. You can clamp and do a lot of dmg with alt bite

[urban flax]

Take the second definition, notice it oesn't apply to The Isle

[gloomy reef]

Im talking about how adding a clamp feature to deino

[icy lion]

Do you think a 175kg lizard could climb the way our herrera does irl? Or survive those falls?

[waxen moss]

Herrera can climb lol, which it couldn't irl

[gloomy reef]

are you guys understanding what clamp means?

[urban flax]

No one has understood what that "clamp" you're talking about is yet, or how it is different from just a bite or a lunge

[gloomy reef]

ok thats the main thing of the herrera not a mechanic??

[grizzled matrix]

What would the clamp mechanic be like (genuine question)

[icy lion]

I don't think I'm getting through

[gloomy reef]

i clamp my piece of clothing to a wire outside to dry does that make u understand?

[foggy field]

the isle takes on beipi and herrera that made them unique, are peak design

[urban flax]

no

[wintry cipher]

They want locational grappling

[gloomy reef]

ok search up what clamp means

[urban flax]

I know what clamp means
But that's literally what deino does whenever it lunges something

Just because it's a different word doesn't mean it's not a synonym

[grizzled matrix]

Doesn't seem too bad

[gloomy reef]

no its grabs it im talking about clamping

[urban flax]

Literally the same thing

[gloomy reef]

yea but the herbi players got mad

[gloomy reef]

Not the same thing

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[urban flax]

How is it different then

[fathom tulip]

Never seen that gif not sped up

[grizzled matrix]

wonder where that gif came from lol

[gloomy reef]

lunge grabs clamp CLAMPS

[wintry cipher]

They seem to effectively just want what would result in a visual change to a deinos lunge to be able to grab somethings head and hold on but the lunge doesnt do damage after the initial bite so it would pretty much be useless except as CC to help another deino to attack.

Which deino is highly cannibalistic so i doubt it will get that kind of tool given how strong it is already

[grizzled matrix]

oh like 2 deinos latching a stego?

[woeful latch]

i don’t like that idea at all

[urban flax]

Ok but the issue is
How can there be any visual change ?
It' snot different than lunge because in both cases, deino is just closing its mouth
And there's nothing else it can do, because the only thing a mouth does is open and close

[gloomy reef]

have u ever played deino recently

[woeful latch]

deino team playing and killing apexes on land would be terrible

[wintry cipher]

Exactly

[gloomy reef]

search up deino clamping onto prey and then u will understand dont complain here

[urban flax]

I don't care if you call it grabbing, or clamping, or munching, or biting, or grappling, or locking, it's just the same thing over again

[woeful latch]

they should die to every single apex or even semi-apex on land

[fathom tulip]

Honestly haven't played it since Spiro, Beipi is way better aquatic gameplay

[grizzled matrix]

2 deinos should win against a stego, so that doesnt seem that bad
considering you have to get ambushed to actually get hit

[gloomy reef]

I never said to them to be able to kill onland LIMIT CLAMP TO WATER THEN???

[gloomy reef]

yea but herbis dont want this 🤷‍♂️

[woeful latch]

again, asking the deino to be effective on land is the same as asking the stego to be effective in water and be able to 1v1 the deino

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure they can already win

[woeful latch]

how the hell you can do that not on land? lol

[grizzled matrix]

literally the slowest thing on land
just walk away, it wont catch you

[urban flax]

Maybe not since the powerswing change, or maybe they'd need more skill to pull it off

[gloomy reef]

look someones using there MIND GUYS

[woeful latch]

why would you do that lol? you can use the lunge mechanic

[wintry cipher]

So...if not on land why not just grab and drown the stego then?

[gloomy reef]

on what a stegos whos drinking love bro

[woeful latch]

no, deinos should be very vulnerable on land, as they are tbh

[gloomy reef]

im talking for the deino to be inwater not the thing u want to clamp

[urban flax]

Stego is out of deino's prey range

[wintry cipher]

Why add a mechanic that would complicate things and make the deino vulnerable when it already has the tool is needs?

[urban flax]

You're able to punish it if it gets overconident, but not when it's just drinking (I mean you can still remove a third of its health with two bites so it isn't that unpunishable)

[gloomy reef]

scroll up i rlly dont want to tell u again on how deino can AND SHOULD be able to kill stego

[woeful latch]

ofc they deino is in water, but it ambushes something on land, and you want it to be able to grab bigger dinos on land? something it should not be able to do

[grizzled matrix]

and they are, even if they (somehow) latch onto you on land, they'll drain all their stam
then when they don't have any, they will die

[woeful latch]

no, never, and it never be able to do that

[urban flax]

But you only argue out of your personal preferences, while I tried to explain to you how it goes against its very design

Also um, oneshotting an apex, no matter what you'rer playing as or against, isn't really a thing that should happen, ever

[gloomy reef]

bro what, im not saying to be able to grab bigger dinos, Im talking about CLAMPING things maybe from alt and right click it does a kinda lunge animation and then clamps onto the head if u place it right, u can only do this attack if YOUR IN WATER not on LAND.

[urban flax]

Deino drowing a swimming stego gets a pass because a stego is never forced to go take a swim

[gloomy reef]

it isnt 1 shotting

[woeful latch]

not anymore, no, they don’t lose much stamina while holding you, they can hold you actually for like 30 seconds or so, on land. maybe even more

[urban flax]

It is
Dinos die when they drown

[grizzled matrix]

You are talking about normal grab
I was talking about the latch

[gloomy reef]

it isnt drowning them bro

[wintry cipher]

Deino is able to kill stego perfectly easilly without taking any damage by just grabbing it when its swimming. Stego is also the only dino that could actually be considered a threat to deino on land. They are fine as is rn. Stego just doesnt have other predators able to hunt it atm

[woeful latch]

i get it lol, how’s that different from just regular deinos lunge

[fathom tulip]

I think the misconception is stemming from the editing of the trailer, that isn't a different attack, it's what you can do right now in game but with a cinematic camera angle

[gloomy reef]

its clamping onto them, might leave an opening for your friend to also clamp onto the stego twice the damage

[gloomy reef]

Ik but they did it to look like a different attack

[woeful latch]

wdym? there’s only one lunge mechanic in the game

[gloomy reef]

especially the way the stego moves with the deinos mouth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAepgPiaQfg 2:54

watch it and then MAYBE u might see what i mean

[grizzled matrix]

I know, i was talking about @gloomy reef new possible mechanic

[wintry cipher]

Congrats. Thats a trailer made with some cinematic animations added

[urban flax]

This is getting nowhere

[fathom tulip]

I see, I believe that was a "hit-reaction" from the juvie stego that made it look that way. Are hit-reactions in the game right now for moving dinosaurs? I havent paid alot of close attention to it

[woven bane]

herrera can’t make a fg cera bleed out from one pounce. he must’ve been injured and low on blood in the first place

[woeful latch]

it’s just a regular bite lol, and it’s cinematic as well. and that “clap” is the same as lunge lol, you grab something and drown in the water

[gloomy reef]

so devs intentally missed the bite?

[woeful latch]

how’s that different even, how that can make the deino more fun?

[gloomy reef]

bro its a different mechanic it wont MAKE THE DEINO INSTANTLY FUN it will ADD something to the deino

[woeful latch]

it’s literally the same thing

[gloomy reef]

it isnt and ive explained it to u

[grizzled matrix]

[woeful latch]

you literally said it will make it fun and it’s not something new, it’s literally the same grab

[urban flax]

I don't know why you want deino to be reliably killing stego, because again, it's not in its prey range
Deino has a kit that allows it to kill EVERYTHING below 4 tons without possible counterplay
Which means EVERYTHING on the roster, excepting rex, giga, spino, stego, trike, cheirus, anky, acro and sauropods
EVERYTHING ELSE is a oneshot, and you want deino to ALSO be able to kill bigger things on top of it, just because ? Is that not enough ?

[gloomy reef]

more fun

[woeful latch]

there is no difference, you grab something and drown

how is that different?

[gloomy reef]

i cba with u bro ive said it wont one shot

[fathom tulip]

It got hit, but it had the stego play an animation called a "hit-reaction" where a character winces or otherwise reacts to receiving damage

I don't know if the game has hit-reaction for moving creatures like shown in the trailer though, I'd have to go look closely

[gloomy reef]

it isnt grabbing

[gloomy reef]

it doesnt have a hit reaction like the one in the trailer

[woeful latch]

alright, it’s biting and then drowning, what’s the difference? the animation?

[gloomy reef]

its not drowning him at all

[urban flax]

It's not a matter of one-shotting
It's just a matter of having an ability specially designed to kill those
Just stick with the under-4-tons playables, there's plenty of choice already

[woeful latch]

it does, watch the video you sent

[urban flax]

Don't need to have deino killing apexes on top of that

[gloomy reef]

its clamping doing passive damage the longer u are clamped on, it take stam

[gloomy reef]

thats not the part i was referencing

i was talking about the part when he clamps onto him

[woeful latch]

why it should be able to do that?

[gloomy reef]

its not specially deisgned its a mechanic for every dino

[gloomy reef]

adds more to deino

[woeful latch]

why it should be a danger to stego on land lol?

[grizzled matrix]

mhhhh, i don't think it should have passive damage

[urban flax]

And I assume the clamped-on animal wouldn't be able to retaliate during it, right ? Because if it could it would make it useless, since the stego could just kill the deino with 3 hits of its tail

[urban flax]

But you'd only use it on things larger than 4 tons since you can oneshot the rest

[fathom tulip]

I know it'll never be a thing because it would take an ungodly amount of work, but being able to bite down and hold onto prey like real animals do would be pretty cool

[gloomy reef]

it can retaliate by holding space like utahs pounce if u was listening u would have seen that i alrdy said that

[grizzled matrix]

It should be on the side of a river tbh

[woeful latch]

alright so mechanic is… bite something’s head and just hold it so it does passive damage… nice

[woeful latch]

and? it’s still on land

[urban flax]

Sadly the game wasn't designed for that
Imagine the netcode 💀

[gloomy reef]

stegos charged mechanic is just hold right click stand still and 1 shot

[gloomy reef]

dude read what i said above about this

[grizzled matrix]

And if it's on a plain you will be left without stamina

[urban flax]

Ok but it cannot attack
So it's a fancy pin
So fun

[grizzled matrix]

and you will die

[woeful latch]

good, it’s an apex that fighting on land.

deino should only be good in water and fighting in water, not fighting an apex that is ON LAND.

[fathom tulip]

Bro playing on 100+ ping and getting grabbed and held down from like 10 feet away off a desync tail bite lol

[gloomy reef]

yes...the whole point is to make deino more fun...

[woeful latch]

i did and it doesn’t make sense

[gloomy reef]

ok dude if ur not gnna listen just go somewhere else ive told u it will only be able to be used in WATER

[woeful latch]

we have similar feature in game btw, it’s called a pin mechanic

[gloomy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[urban flax]

I think it would be much worse
Like getting flung 150 meters into the air because the game forgot then suddendly remembered there was someone grabbing your tail

[gloomy reef]

yea i alrdy said to u

[woeful latch]

if both in water?

both swimming in water, right?

[gloomy reef]

no if the deino is in water again its for ambushing

[gloomy reef]

no. ambushing from water

[woeful latch]

SO ITS PREY IS ON LAND

ON LAND

not in the water

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-pizza-gif-6074641

[urban flax]

That "clamp" mechanic you're suggesting is just either
a. Lunge
b. Useless
c. Some kind of broken pin ability that only serves to allow deino to kill apexes (which it shouldn't target unless in water and already can with lunge)

[gloomy reef]

mhm

[wintry cipher]

Yeah no troo just... back out quickly lol

[woeful latch]

and if the stego is NOT in the water, it’s on land, the deino should NOT be able to fight it

[gloomy reef]

Go somewhere else

like fr dude do something else

[fathom tulip]

Yeah like the old glitch with holding slabs of food in your mouth lol

[urban flax]

I'm fine where I am, thank you

[gloomy reef]

u dont want to listen do something else.

[woeful latch]

chill out please

[urban flax]

kinda yeah x)

[gloomy reef]

im chill just he wont read what i said and answer what i said he keeps tryna talk about the same thing i answered

[urban flax]

But I know a game that functions like that, Animal revolt battle simulator (it's sinle-player and janky af but... well it exists)

[woeful latch]

we did read what you said, and that doesn’t make sense, we told you that many times.

[urban flax]

Or maybe your answer just wasn't satisfying

[gloomy reef]

bro what

[lilac bolt]

why would any deino player want to clamp something if it can just grab and kill 90% of the roster wouldn't it just feel like a wasted mechanic with little to no purpose for deino?

[woeful latch]

i’m gonna say this another time.

asking the deino to be able to ambush stego on land and do the “clap” which is as you said just holding its head and doing passive damage is terrible.

it’s the same as asking for stego to be able to go in the water and have fair fight against the deino.

[gloomy reef]

why would stego players want to have a charge attack hen it can everything on the roster currently

[woeful latch]

i swear to got i repeat this thing every time to all the “deino should be able to fight the stego on land” fans

like i can’t even count how many times i said that

[gloomy reef]

i dont want deino to fight stego on land

[woeful latch]

literally what you want, what you said

[gloomy reef]

im just talking about adding something to deinos ambush

[urban flax]

Then you have no reason to ask for a new mechanic

[gloomy reef]

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t need to be able to fight the stego that is standing on land and not swimming

i get it ambushes from the water, but it makes it fight on land lol

[urban flax]

Or maybe a tail slap
I could see a tail slap for deino, but that kinda makes it so it can't be punished for going too far on land anymore
Unless the tail slap is weak
But then there would be no reason to give it said tail slap

[nova sparrow]

the problem is... then this encroaches on the ambush technique of other future planned dinosaurs like rex... the devs want little overlap between playstyles...

deino ambush and grab from water.... rex ambush and grab from land... thats it

[urban flax]

(I really hope there's something more to rex's pin than just press RMB and instakill)

[nova sparrow]

so do I, im just saying... giving deino any kind of ambush for land, overlaps with future content... let alone the plenty of other viable land predators....

[urban flax]

Oh yeah, of course
Deino has zero reason to be given tools to ambush on land
Although I don't think that's what Saif meant
Though I'm really not sure what they actually mean or want

[fathom tulip]

Oh yeah you're totally right, I forgot the Rex is getting a "Crush" mechanic

[woeful latch]

deino ambushing from the water and doing so called “clamp”

[woeful latch]

ambushing the prey that is on land.

[fathom tulip]

I think what they want is for it to be more similar to a real crocodile attack where it jumps out of the water and "clamps" onto its target before having a struggle/tug of war between the prey and croc. But it's just not really feasible for the game

Like that I think
Edit: or just look up a crocodile attack I guess

[woeful latch]

i would not post it here, they will delete it

and i personally don’t like looking at the animal dying and fighting for its life

[lilac bolt]

i don't even think stegos powerswing was even made in mind for the current roster but it'll be helpful for defending itself whenever we get bigger things than it like rex or trike

since im pretty sure stego like deino can with its lunge can just destroy pretty much anything it can hit with its powerswing

[bold lodge]

u think people are gonna vote yes for literally anything deinosuchus related? I will but everyone else wont

[fathom tulip]

I mean the vote is nearly tied

[woeful latch]

and that is scary

feels like every “new feature” feedback gets upvoted just because wow a new feature
without people actually thinking how bad it would be for the game

i see that all the time

upvoted don’t mean anything

[lilac bolt]

but just like what purpose would there ever be for deino to even have something like a clamp mechanic? it already has lunge what more does it need honestly?

[fathom tulip]

I think they just want it to be a more cinematic experience

To be honest lunge does look a tad goofy right now they way things just get placed perfectly sideways in your mouth, though I understand the necessity since its a video game

[urban flax]

There's a picture of a deino killing a stego
ofc people will upvote

You may have noticed during the conversation the oh-so-common bias of "if you don't want a deino buff it means you're a stego main who hates losing"

[woeful latch]

no, not that, they wanted deino to be able to ambush stego that is standing on land and be able to bite its head and hold it doing passive damage to it

basically what pin does lol, doesn’t let you move and just does passive damage

and deino being able to do that while stego is on land just doesn’t make any sense

[urban flax]

We definitely need more pins in the game

[fathom tulip]

Wait but isn't Deinos whole gameplan to drag things into the water? Why would you want to hold things on land

[woeful latch]

it’s so funny when people do that, like people call me herbi main all the time for downvoting arguably terrible balance feedbacks, they block me on discord so i don’t downvote LMAO which is hilarious to me

[woeful latch]

yes lol

[lilac bolt]

good question

[fathom tulip]

Agreed, Stenko should be able to pin things down with its tail spikes like a cage or pot lid

Like putting a bowl over a spider

[gloomy reef]

huh

that works?

[fathom tulip]

[gloomy reef]

its a stun attack basically that deals bleed

[fathom tulip]

Do you want them to be able to buck like an Omni pounce or it just holds them down like Pin?

[gloomy reef]

works like a pin

does alot of stam, rewards in damage

makes it so stegos cant just drink freely and if a deino does try to fight the stego has the upper hand

stego can always run away no need for him to fight

[fathom tulip]

So it's mostly counterplay to Stegos going fishing for Deinos?

[gloomy reef]

yea kind of

also cool could make people play deino for a while

idk u give the post downvotes idm no more i dont wanna spend hours debating here 😭

[chilly ermine]

@midnight heath #general-feedback message

You might want to be more specfic with this. For instance, what dino, were you in a forest, was it raining? All those factors play in.

[woeful latch]

lmao

[fathom tulip]

Honestly I would rework the suggestion to having Deino lunge do something more than deflect off of things that are too big to drag down into the water

[woeful latch]

THEY DID BLOCK ME AHAHAHHA

[gloomy reef]

huh

[woeful latch]

this community is mental

[gloomy reef]

whos they

[woeful latch]

can’t downvote your feedback anymore🥹

oh nvm you unblocked, sick

[gloomy reef]

bro what

?

[white elm]

what would be the point tho

[gloomy reef]

i never blocked u huh

[gloomy reef]

lit read

[bold lodge]

read the suggestion

[white elm]

I did

[gloomy reef]

read again

[white elm]

I did

[bold lodge]

It adds a variability in the options for deinosuchus, cause rn the only options are lunge and bite. Clamp would be fun to use with no downsides, there's no reason I see not to vote yes

"deinosuchus kill me I dont like it I vote no"

[fathom tulip]

I'll just put this here again

I would rework the suggestion to having Deino lunge do something more than deflect off of things that are too big to drag down into the water

[radiant nest]

I just don’t think deino needs it at all

[neat scroll]

I'd only vote no if clamp was like current pin, and can't be fought against. As long as the bucking mechanic works to dislodge a clamp then why not?

[white elm]

so like... a pounce? a pin?

or just a high damage attack... deino isn't meant to be fighting things on land

[gloomy reef]

read my chats pls

[bold lodge]

A clamp, you grab onto a part of the dino (like leg or smth), it does a lot of damage, and you hold it there

[fathom tulip]

They want it as counterplay to Stegos going Deino-Fishing

[white elm]

oh so it IS a pin..

gross

[bold lodge]

yeah it'd work against stego and stuff which is too big for deino to grab on land, damaging it

[bold lodge]

well the hope is that you could fight against it, so for the deino it would be high risk

[radiant nest]

Why not just increase lunge threshold then?

Ah

Eh I don’t really care I don’t mind stegos being mostly off Deinos radar

I see deino as a more small game oriented predator

[bold lodge]

yeah me neither but stegos trying to go aggressive against deinos is just annoying,

[bold lodge]

You'd starve if you play like that

unless u get really good luck

[radiant nest]

I haven’t starved for over two months with a single deino so

[bold lodge]

then you're killing larger prey

[white elm]

deinosuchus is a sub apex that punches down, it doesn't need a mechanic to fight stegos

[midnight heath]

I was in the middle of a plains, it was not raining and if you can't tell what I was playing that shows why it's an issue.

There's also a Maia there too, if you can see it.

[white elm]

one could say... a small game hunter...

[radiant nest]

I don’t think ive killed anything over half my weight, even other Deinos

[white elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[bold lodge]

hey I was looking for that gif why did you send it before me 😦

[radiant nest]

Every large carnivore currently in the game being a small game hunter is funny

[fathom tulip]

[white elm]

not herrera

oh wait... large

[radiant nest]

lol

[bold lodge]

well with hererra you take whatever u can get

[white elm]

regardless, there are big game hunters in this game they DO EXIST

[bold lodge]

the body pile must grow

[white elm]

hmmm... I should make a big game/small game hunter tier list

[fathom tulip]

That's what Omnis are supposed to do, they just kind of suck at it

[bold lodge]

omnis get killed way too frequently to desync, cerato is more meant to be a trash bucket scavenger body stealer. We desperately need actual big game hunters (allo/rex)

dilo is the closest we got

[desert arch]

Technically troodon is by far the best big game hunter in the game

Troodon on top fr

[fathom tulip]

🙏

[bold lodge]

well everything is big to troodon

[desert arch]

Exactly

[fathom tulip]

LOL surely no Troodon bias from Mr.Troodon

[desert arch]

Shh

Omni can only DREAM of soloing something nearly 10x its size

[bold lodge]

I'm sure Mr.Troodon has no bias for troodons above other creatures

[urban flax]

3 troodons can kill something 30x their size
Yeah
Pretty good big game hunter
That would equate to 3 omnis felling a camara

[desert arch]

Ive once killed a fg stego with just 2, but that was before powerswing

[woeful latch]

it won’t make it less terrible

[urban flax]

Would powerswing change anything with that ?

[fathom tulip]

When in reality I see my packs of rando Omnis 6v1ing a Cerato and all dying

[desert arch]

Beat that, you stinky omni

[bold lodge]

mix of bad randos and desync, along with that stun when bucked off

[desert arch]

The standing one is nearly instant and extremely short cooldown, so yeah

[woeful latch]

yes

[urban flax]

That's each troodon munching 120x its own weight and winning
Fair

[woeful latch]

real

troodon punches up ✨🔥

[desert arch]

Only if it could drag organs 😔

Kills above 1.3T being basically useless is so sad

[woeful latch]

i think it would be nice if it could, like at least with its hands, not the mouth

[woeful latch]

wait it can’t drag tenos organs?

[desert arch]

Make it have 10% per second stamina drain, I dont care, I JUST WANT IT TO HAPPEN SO BAD 😭

[desert arch]

A fg tenos organs arent accessible

[woeful latch]

XDD

[woeful latch]

no way, that’s actually pretty sad

[desert arch]

Its on the diet too

And let me not start talking about MAIA

[white elm]

[woeful latch]

if they managed to kill the teno they should get the reward

[desert arch]

Its 3 times heavier than what troodon can grab organs out from

[woeful latch]

alright i can understand why it can’t drag the maias organs, but teno?🥹

it’s not that big

[desert arch]

Not to mention scavenging as juvi troo sucks.
"Oh hey look a corpse with organs! Im so lucky!"
cant grab organs
dies inside

[woeful latch]

🥹🥹🥹

thankfully the troodon grows in 30 minutes

and you can get most diest by eating ai

[desert arch]

*55🤓

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

i swear it’s less than 55 tho, maybe depends on the diet

maybe i’m silly

[chilly ermine]

I'm not saying it's not dark, I'm saying that in feedback it helps to be more specific (IE night is too dark underwater, etc.)

[desert arch]

55 is on 100% boost

So unless ur afk you should hit fg faster

[urban flax]

#balance-feedback message

[woeful latch]

oh yeah, i always use puke+salt lick tho🥹😭😭

[woeful latch]

just helps to grow it a bit faster

[desert arch]

Ew

[urban flax]

Cera is more a big game hunter right now

[desert arch]

Wish I could downvote it twice

[woeful latch]

you know it’s terrible when the feedback doesn’t get even single upvote

[fathom tulip]

One of the best suggestions these channels have seen in a long time 💯 💯 💯

I want to be able to run 3 laps around the island off a single kill

[desert arch]

I mean, he has the right intentions, but bro set the kitchen on fire and blew up the building

[woeful latch]

cerato small game hunter?🥹
why is herrera a big game hunter tho?🥹

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[white elm]

THE UTAH DIET
Why can't uta eat chicken or goat as a nutritionist? in fact, they can eat them, because the utah themselves are average in size, and it's difficult for them to kill anyone, with their stamina, when 2 jumps, for example, on.. cera spend half the stamina (below 60), add chicken and goat to the diet!!! or add the utah of endurance, well lol, the Utah are literally predators that in the movie could develop 50+ speed, they were evaluated in order to be fast and hardy... I have no questions about speed, but I have a question about their stamina, either add chicken and goat to the child, or add AT LEAST a LITTLE STAMINA to it, or fast stamina regeneration, not only does its mechanics jump from side to side, but they also have little stamina, which makes Gameplay is impossible!!!! OR EXPLAIN WHY, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND

[fathom tulip]

Yes that one too, we need more suggestions like this

[white elm]

herrera's big game because it reglarly hunts stuff much more massive than it

[woeful latch]

i mean fair.. but it can’t really kill anything bigger than dilo or omni

[desert arch]

Thats just false

[woeful latch]

it needs multiple pounces it will never get if player just walks away

[desert arch]

Coordinated herrera groups can take down ceras and carnos

[white elm]

and dilo is 4x its size... teno is also on its diet

[desert arch]

Even dibbles

[woeful latch]

oh no that’s too far🥹

[desert arch]

Hell, Ive seen videos of herreras hunting bad stegos

[urban flax]

If it can oneshot something over twice its size it IS a big game hunter, idk what else do you need

[woeful latch]

but i can agree with the ceras and especially carnos, they bleed a lot

[fathom tulip]

I've done it with buddies, Herrera is an absolute monster in the right hands

[woeful latch]

i mean fair, i was not thinking about the current roster tho, i was thinking about the whole roster with the real big games

tho yeah technically the cera and carno are big game in the current roster

[urban flax]

Big game hunter is when you kill things bigger than yourself

[woeful latch]

so i agree with that yeah

[urban flax]

It's all relative to what you are

A maia is big game for an omni, not for a deino

[woeful latch]

yeah fair i guess

i was thinking about big big game, like apexes

[fathom tulip]

Well Apexes don't really get hunted by other things, thats why they are called Apexes, they are the tippy top of the food chain

[woeful latch]

ohhh i doubt that, look how omnis can punch up. and allo will probably be able to hunt apexes

[desert arch]

Also uh cera vs apex carnivores

[woeful latch]

i just really doubt rex or trike are going to be unkillable

[desert arch]

One vomit gg, ceras win by starving the big guy out

[fathom tulip]

The devs have sure made it sound that way, pretty sure thats the exact reason they dont want to put them on officials

[woeful latch]

tbf cera really does right now what allo suppose to do, it really punches way up, tho at the same time i kinda agree that the game needs a strong carnivore like that.

but at the same time i expect a cera to get some massive rework or nerf once allo and sub rex are out

since we will get the bigger carnivores there will be no need for the cera being how it is right now

[fathom tulip]

🙏 Plz

I hate how Cerato plays right now, it doesnt fit it at all

[woeful latch]

yes.

[woeful latch]

so i have theory.. they will make 2 versions of the rex, one that will work on officials and will be well balanced and the second one the server admins will be able to enable on community servers that will be the real not nerfed rex.

maybe, im just guessing tbh.

because dondi was talking about making the rex work on officials and you can’t do that without making rex a good well balanced playable

[urban flax]

I think they're just gonna try their best to make rex balanced

[fathom tulip]

Honestly I wouldn't mind it if Rex wasn't on officials, I don't want Rex being 60% of server populations again like on Legacy

[urban flax]

Hopefully it will be too hard to grow for that to happen

[fathom tulip]

They have talked about it being an absolute trial to grow an apex

[urban flax]

Deino numbers have really gone down after the difficulty nerf in gateway's release

[fathom tulip]

And good riddance, having so many players exclusively underwater made the land really barren

[woeful latch]

hopefully insane apex hunger drain and them being a canni will fix the issue

like how ai not giving the deino anything and them being a canni made it so you rarely see deinos hanging out together

[urban flax]

Yeah
35+ deinos on average on a full official server on Spiro

Honestly, dino not being a cannibal would make their numbers lower

[woeful latch]

why, they can still eat each other, but they just won’t get the diets

not like the deino even needs the diets, there’s nothing to fear outside of other deinos and not like the diet matter in the fight

[urban flax]

And that's the point
If deino is a cannibal, when you kill another deino, you get food and diets
If deino isn't a cannibal, when you kill another deino, you get nothing
So it becomes harder to grow a deino because it's harder to have food

[fathom tulip]

Make it so a fg deino gives another the amount of hunger an elite fish gives lol

[urban flax]

Reminder you get debuffs when eating your own kind as a non-cannibal species

[urban flax]

Honestly, I think the opposite
All food values should be drastically increassed to it's easier to fill up, and give carnivores longer hunger times
With the downside of making AI much harder to catch

So it's harder for carnis to get food, because nothing is free food (either hard-to-catch AI or players), but they can afford to fail a few hunts

[woeful latch]

hm, fair i guess, but at the same time it kinda encourages to kill another deino, you will get the diets for that

[urban flax]

Do they even need the incentive ? The food competition is enough

[woeful latch]

ahah

[grizzled matrix]

Cera? small game hunter?

[white elm]

#general-feedback message

"I don't think ceras should be able to bite when they have no stam. Being able to infinitely bite is too op."

stego needs swing

[woeful latch]

pretty much yeah, like dude wants stego to just die if it’s out stam

and the hitbox is not even that bad, it’s mostly a desync

[white elm]

stego nerf advocates need to understand that just because you wittle the stego's stam down doesn't mean you should win

[woeful latch]

yes.

[white elm]

not with ANY carni in the game right now, at least

[woeful latch]

the funny thing is that stego would need a buff instead once rex is in the game, because i highly doubt that the current one can defend itself properly against the rex. tho we’ll see. idk really what rex is going to be, probably too op once it’s in HT and they will slowly nerf it

[woeful latch]

yeah for sure

[white elm]

9350kg rex moment

but yea I agree, 2000 damage is not that much in the grand scheme of things

especially if rex crush/pin/whatever exists

[white elm]

rapidly losing faith in society

[woeful latch]

i mean, people hate to die to stego, even tho it’s always their own fault

thankfully upvotes don’t mean anything

[grizzled matrix]

[woeful latch]

typo, fixed

[white elm]

don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it

s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-

||small game hunter||

[woeful latch]

“buff carno because i personally suck and can kill something”

[white elm]

[bold lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[eager socket]

PT is probably the only Dino you can convince me to make bigger because impaling stuff sounds like fun

[turbid trellis]

Why do people not want to view their replays?

[indigo gulch]

I think it’s more a matter of being able to do it while playing and being able to see it almost immediately? That’s how people probably interpreted it

[eager socket]

^

[turbid trellis]

Well yeah... Easiest way to identify a sus players account...

[indigo gulch]

Also the easiest way to find someone without tracking

With how replays work, you can see EVERYONE in the area. Now imagine if you could use that while playing and in almost live time

[turbid trellis]

Absolute ballache that you have to log out, wait 30 minutes for the replay to be available, then wait 20 minutes to get back into the game

[latent maple]

Did my post about fixing DLSS get removed?

[turbid trellis]

Any sus players would have evacuated the area by then

[indigo gulch]

Not necessarily. Most of them just camp an area to kill everything in sight

And besides, you’ll still get the names in the replay so you can still report them

[turbid trellis]

Naaah, they seem to move around a lot in order to not risk being easily spotted

[indigo gulch]

Hm not the kind of hackers I’ve encountered then

[turbid trellis]

The kind I've encountered do, they move around the map killing everything, rarely staying in the same place

[indigo gulch]

But the thing is, even if your suggestion is good for its intended function, it will also affect normal people playing the game negatively

Because you physically cannot lose someone if they just open the replay and see what way you went

That’s the problem I assume people have with your suggestion.

Because barely anyone wants the hackers to stick around

[turbid trellis]

Itll be abused yeah, but until they fix the annoying bug where you cant view it for an eternity ... What else can we do

[indigo gulch]

The better option in general would be just to fix that. But it needs to have a cooldown so it can’t be abused.

[woeful latch]

i don’t mind it being little bigger, but making males specifically bigger?

also it’s pretty easy to get the diets as the ptera, it’s just misinfo.

i don’t like an idea of them latching on other dinos

and the most important part is ptera dealing more damage and dealing high bleed to larger dinos, i think i don’t have to explain why flying around untouchable rat bleeding you out is bad.

#general-feedback message

most of the things they said are good on paper, awful in the game

it won’t work and won’t be fun/good for the game

[eager socket]

Didn’t read that

I just saw make abit bigger and said yes XD

[woeful latch]

lol xd

[urban bear]

@boreal crypt There is a /unstuck command you can use

[boreal crypt]

on a cooldown bro

and sometimes if ther eis enougg space in the area youre stuck in it doesnt work

it you have an open world giant map every dino should be able to jump, it doesnt even make sense at this point

[limber hull]

a deinosuchus should be able to jump?

[urban bear]

It doesn't make sense for some of them to jump when they physically shouldn't be able to

[sterile shale]

as a croc does

[white elm]

Cuban crocodile niche

[woeful latch]

i mean, every croc can jump, they’re just too shy to show us how they do it

[urban flax]

Oh crocs are shy
And that's why they hide in the water all the time

[sterile shale]

that's also why they kill anyone who tries to peak their head underwater and look at them

[grizzled matrix]

[woeful latch]

yes, for sure!

we know all the crocs secrets now

[thick summit]

Smaller ones can but I doubt an 8 ton alligatorid can jump

I mean it can kinda jump

When it launches itself out of the water or to bite something

Actually silly me

I saw a salty "jumping"

[woeful latch]

😅

[stable crow]

I think making the males of certain species way bigger than the females just means people are simply not gonna play the female version anymore lol

(About male ptera being 2x size of females)

[green niche]

i will just say: people already almost solely play male pteras unless they specifically want to nest.

now of course the problem is when people might decide to play male ptera for the sole purpose of bullying female pteras (could always make the females faster and/or have more stam?)

[gloomy reef]

bro

1v97 people

https://tenor.com/view/oi-gif-20749371

[woven bane]

@white spruce you have no excuse for this.

[cold crater]

@vestal vapor This has nothing to do with suggestions/feedback.

[vestal vapor]

yeah it's a suggestion, and feedback.

it gives players a suggestion when struggling with the digital tearing DLSS does with their gfx cards.

and gives devs feedback on a workaround for when visible dlss issues occur.

[fathom tulip]

Why would anyone not want more color options? It's not like the suggestion was asking for Barnie level neon colors or anything

[woeful latch]

what feedback is even that?

i will downvote it too so @white spruce doesn’t feel so special

[fathom tulip]

It's the one with the Teno picture asking for more color variation

[woeful latch]

oh

@white spruce YOU DESERVE BEING MUTED!!1!1!11 xDD

tho at the same time i have a reason to actually downvote that too

[fathom tulip]

The thing everyone seems to want more than balance changes or bug fixes is cooler visuals lol

[woeful latch]

i really like the team recognition and every playable having its own color. i just want it to be server side setting community admins could enable

tho i like the cool skins too

[fathom tulip]

Agreed. After a while it gets a little tiring seeing Shadow the hedgehog dinosaurs

[woeful latch]

ahah i guess it’s fair when most herbivores don’t even have any cool colors :(

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[fathom tulip]

That's genuinely my entire reason for not bothering to try Maia in survival yet. It just looks so bland with it's current color options

[woeful latch]

oh

[woven bane]

lmao

he has been muted for years

[woeful latch]

for what? lol

[woven bane]

idk, i’d ask him but he’s muted lmao

[woeful latch]

don’t tell me he pinged kissen

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[desert arch]

Apparently according to the last couple messages he sent, he got into a pretty heated argument and got carried away

[hidden mist]

Being muted for straight 3 years must be hell of experience.

[vestal vapor]

i think it's more of a "come back when you've grown up your being a child".

[night obsidian]

I disagree, but most of them should be able to walk over smaller obstacles

[vestal vapor]

Lol the animation for carno, cera and stego jump would / shpuld be slow and the sound should be like an earthquake.

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message bro what 😭

[woeful latch]

oh rip

[split junco]

The amount that you have to eat of your own species as onmi to get the cannibalism mutation is RIDICULOUS.

You only have time till 100% since the CRAZY fact that you can only get this mutation before 100% on second slot exists.

You have to kill all those other omnis before you are even grown up. I ate 2 adults and 2 that were about 20 or 30 percent. I could not eat anymore since my stomach was full and there is absolutely no time to get this mutation.

It is way to much that you have to eat. You have to reduce the amount. This is just undoable.

[ashen ocean]

wait, you cant get it on third slot?

[fathom tulip]

Why would you want to play as a cannibal Omni anyways? Your strength is almost entirely reliant on numbers

I think it's more healthy for the game to have cannibalism be difficult

[ashen ocean]

well if you are playing survival and can just eat another omni
you dont need more omnis to kill another
also, often in pack fights you end up loosing some of pack mates and enemy getting away, you could eat those bodies to not die as well

[fathom tulip]

No I understand the potential benefits, I just don't see why anyone would want to

I'd personally rather starve than eat my packmates (and have on a few occasions)

[vestal vapor]

@thorn field ref - #general-feedback message

I'd love this too!

after about a minute, extra animations, after 15 minutes lying down.

Additional animations could include but not limited to;
Cleaning,
Preening,
rolling around in the dirt or grass,

These of course wouldn't happen if there is some sort of player input - ie looking around with mouse.
This way "hunting or hiding" would not cause the animation to start.

[latent maple]

Any way to unfreeze my herbivore that got animation locked eating a fruit?

[gloomy reef]

@fluid lake limit fps to 60

[fluid lake]

Ill try that

[fathom tulip]

Does anyone have the file address for deleting the config folder on hand?

Let me see if I can find it

[fathom tulip]

windows + r
%localappdata%/theisle/saved
delete config folder

Okay try this

[golden horizon]

What specs do you use?

[indigo gulch]

this isnt even blue anymore :/

[cinder haven]

What kind of idea did you suggest?

[fathom tulip]

It was the suggestion with the picture of the Teno. It was asking for more color variation in some playables skins

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message alright chat, do we agree with that?

[woeful latch]

inglese lmao

sounds cute 🥹

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/italvolley-italia-italy-ceveuro2021-eurovolley-gif-24215807

[fathom tulip]

Dinosaurs are getting Domain Expansions? I mean Dilo basically already has one

[wooden agate]

domain expansion?

[fathom tulip]

NOOOOO the domain expansion got deleted

[woeful latch]

lmao😭

[lusty seal]

@brittle carbon goated feedback

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message maia just dropped lol. i’d rather want the devs to take their time cooking up some high quality playables instead of rushed and half baked ones

[coarse spruce]

there's already a bunch of half baked ones

[woven bane]

dryo and hypsi lol

[fathom tulip]

@prime totem Can't Pachy already headbutt eachother at the same time and do minimal damage? They don't have horns for locking and sparring like bucks do, they are more so meant to ram eachother like big horned sheep

[hidden mist]

They do full damage when ram each other as of right now iirc. However I heard that at some moment on the release they had harmless ‘sparring’.

[fathom tulip]

Yeah back when they released on Evrima it was like that. If it's been changed since then I had no clue, and that sucks because it was a fun interaction

[prime totem]

can confirm it does full damage if you try to headbutt eachother🥲

[fathom tulip]

They need to revert that!

See they even do the proper ram interaction in the original trailers for Pachy
https://youtu.be/aQIf0zpUoC4?si=Ogo4FQTc1-VTfiH3

Justice for Pachy

[prime totem]

justice for pachy!!

[split junco]

No you cant

[split junco]

Im not eating pack mates
It is fun to stalk and hunt omni packs and pick one thats left behind as a duo cause they cant even type anything since they die so fast

And as i found out it is probably bugged at the moment.
I could not find any numbers or stats ab how much you have to eat or what you have to do and tried everything.
I ate 8 stomachs of omni waited for my second mutation to pop up while having muscle spasms and did not see the cannibalistic mutation which seems bugged to me

[split junco]

The website also lists, that you have to unlock it on slot 2 which makes it very difficult and stressful

[gloomy tendon]

How would y'all feel about weather events outside of rainstorms?

#general-feedback message

I personally think it would be better to have harrowing events occur occasionally to enrich survival.

[native wasp]

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[wintry cipher]

I think droughts were planned at one point. Wildfires were also speculated but the problem with those is just how insanely performance heavy those get even on less high fidelity games like beasts of bermuda. The lag would kill people more than the fires. Would be nice to see some sort of event though; though right now i think theyre really just missing the fog since theres only rain.

[gloomy tendon]

Yeah, I fully acknowledge that the performance requirement would be massive. But honestly, the game feels so empty without some kind of world event. I dislike how the aspect of survival is so one dimensional, and I do remember wildfires being speculated at one point. Fog would be nice, but again, it sort of falls into step with what I said about rain in my post. It's cool, yeah. Immersive too. But it doesn't hinder you like what I'm actually looking for. Granted, I doubt I will ever see anything akin to what I suggested considering performance and how the game will always try to be balanced for those who don't have powerful rigs. It just sucks because the potential is massive.

At the very least, droughts would be excellent. My biggest reason why I like the idea of wildfires besides, y'know, giving people more to respond to as opposed to 'I see dino, I kill dino, me eats!' is because it opens up so many doors to realistic and enriching mechanics. For instance, if they ever decided to add disease to the game! We already have a sickness mechanic when you overeat, so it's not so far off (though, in all fairness, I also don't foresee this becoming reality) and wildfires could cleanse disease ridden areas and also open up the area to more food growth for herbivores which would create a temporary hotspot that both diets could gather in and fulfill their respective needs. That and I feel it would aid deinos too, given the fact that spreading wildfires could lure all walks of life to plentiful bodies of water where an opportunistic deino could secure more than enough food for its demanding stomach. (As most herbivores will try to live in spots where water and food are both accessible) The same would happen in the event of droughts, too.

Ultimately, I think it would be a great idea if they at least created some sort of variety of weather events because right now the game is very one-dimensional to me and even though they plan to add more playables it's not going to fulfill that lackluster spot for me, personally.

[wooden agate]

@gleaming meadow hey! clicking 'heal' in the admin panel restores all stats to 100, including stamina.

[gloomy reef]

@limber hull whats wrong with that?? 😭

[fathom tulip]

@last bane People say the reason Dilo should be faster is incase it runs into an omni pack, but I find that reasoning pretty dubious. If as a nocturnal predator you get caught carelessly out in the open and in close enough range not to hide from an entire pack of Omnis there should be consequences

[gloomy reef]

why do people want stego to have an inf 1 shot attack bro

think of people other then you

[fiery bay]

Because they play stego and are salty players bc they can't 1 tap

[gloomy reef]

Fr

i dont know why the devs added it

[fiery bay]

Same as dilos, every dilo player thinks they are good but all they do is bite you twice and spam f to spawn clones??? and is faster than a utah.. its so unbalanced

[fathom tulip]

I mean realistically a Stegosaurus should be able to 1-tap anything of the current terrestial predators with a well placed swing using full force

Most of them can bait out or even survive hits to the tail from a stego

[gloomy reef]

nope irl stego wouldnt 1 shot at all, Dinos were TOUGH irl maybe make it do alot of bleed but it wouldnt 1 shot an mid tier MAYBE utah MAYBE but not carno or cera

[gloomy reef]

not if the stego is good

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message the dilo is faster but a lot less agile, imo fair, making dilo slower without changing anything else would be terrible

[gloomy reef]

plus bleed would just make the carni stop attacking the stego or u would bleed to death

[woeful latch]

because it’s a stego

[gloomy reef]

so stego can inf swing his tail irl? luv

[woeful latch]

if you die to a stego it’s a skill issue ngl

[gloomy reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1258272537612128377/1311754928993079336/sigma.gif

[fiery bay]

Stegos should be able to put someone near last screen so they know what they are messing with not a full on shot to the tail and kill a 50% deino

[thick summit]

it's true though

[gloomy reef]

Fr

[woeful latch]

what irl has to do with that? lmao

[thick summit]

why did the stego one tap you in the first place

[gloomy reef]

bro cheesy wdym what does irl has to do with that what does its a stego have to do with it

[woeful latch]

no, stegos should kill

[gloomy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/my-apologies-cheese-kitty-cat-sorry-my-bad-gif-1026852287997442026

[lilac bolt]

deino one shots things as well? including fg stegos

[fiery bay]

cheesy you clearly have no knowledge of dinosaurs

[gloomy reef]

no it doesnt LOL

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-apolocheese-apolocheese-accepted-cat-funny-apology-gif-10572966699290880170

[gloomy reef]

HOW DO U HAVE THAT

[fiery bay]

saying stego should 1 tap at all says enough about you

[lilac bolt]

it can grab stegos when its swimming

[fathom tulip]

It's only marginally less agile though, it's not like Omni is running circles around a Dilo. I would rather them buff Dilos agility than have it be only a step behind Carno speed

[gloomy reef]

if the stego is swimming If and i dont even like that feature

[woeful latch]

stego should one shot pretty much the whole current roster, as it does tbf.

[gloomy reef]

rex that takes 8 ish hours to grow

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[woeful latch]

current, not the whole planned roster, read the message

[radiant nest]

The apex should be able to easily defend itself from the roster of small carnivores that we currently have, yeah

[woeful latch]

hm

but i would rather want them to nerf dilos some other way, not the speed

[gloomy reef]

just say the current dinos ingame the current roster can also mean the CURRENT roster we have set

[hidden mist]

Why I’m 100% sure that people wouldn’t argue if T-Rex “one-shots” something small (compared to it), although it MIGHT be even faster than a Stego in its murder sprint or smth.

[gloomy reef]

yea dilo is fast irl just make there less clones or som

[gloomy reef]

make stego rlly good at defense like the ano in pot u cant run away but its good at defense.

[frank tapir]

how do omnis and dilos stam compare currently?

[gloomy reef]

no need to make it a 1 shotting tank

[woeful latch]

i mean, people are disappointed when they die to stego as cera lol

[radiant nest]

Stegos whole design is centered around being super immobile and hitting very hard. You can’t die to it if you don’t want to because it can’t keep up, but many things can’t hunt it that well because it’s the epitome of defense. I’d say Stego is perfectly balanced currently.

[woeful latch]

what does that even mean? “irl”
do you see the dilos running around the street or something?

[hidden mist]

Slow down the extreme bite speed and fix its venom and it becomes fair, imho. These are the 2 main reasons Omni can suffer from, because Dilo can just facetank it too freely.

[last bane]

They could even keep Dilo as op as it is now. I just beg for an Omni speed buff to be at least faster than a Dilo. When you see a dilo idk about everyone else but I just think about their bleed and night capability... not their speed. When I think about a Omni though it's mostly about speed, the jump and the pounce. Their Omni raptor is based off of the one from Jurassic park no? Every time you see a raptor in them movies they are incredibly fast. That's how they are shown. That's one of their traits that they are known for. SPEED. So yeah I just think Omni shouldn't be slower than a Dilo in any world, any timeline, any movie or any game.

[woeful latch]

dilo has a lot more stamina

[gloomy reef]

. bro the uk be wild dont question me

[woeful latch]

sounds fair, but i would change the venom mechanic completely

[woeful latch]

my bad, sorry

[gloomy reef]

😭

[fathom tulip]

☝️🤓 Erm actually Dilophosaurus fossils are only found in North America and parts of China

[frank tapir]

maybe change that? I think omni should outstam dilo if they both just run, since omni will use more if it starts pouncing and attacking, letting the dilo run away if the omni overextends itself

[gloomy reef]

like i said again bro... the uk be wild

[lilac bolt]

either way if stego does get a nerf i just don't want the cooldown to be added back. it was honestly awful to fight as when it did.

[gloomy reef]

it makes u choose when u swing

[fathom tulip]

Stegos bigger problem is its HP pool imo. It's combat is like a game of cat and mouse, where if you get caught out by it you just die or get critically injured. Baiting Stego and narrowly avoiding death is high-risk/low-reward though because they weigh so much, getting a hit off does basically nothing to it. I think it would be a more engaging playable to play as and against it if it had its more IRL accurate weight of around 4.5-5 tons

[thick summit]

yes

[fathom tulip]

Things would be more inclined to hunt you rather than just avoiding you outright

[thick summit]

and a high headshot multiplier

stego should protect its head at all cost

and not tank 10 nukes to its head 😭

[lilac bolt]

it already does 2x damage on its head

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

2.5 👍

[gloomy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-greetings-hi-hello-salutations-gif-10837818968891611424

[thick summit]

"but that would make stego unplayable" 2k damage attack: 🗿

[woeful latch]

rex is coming soon, stego doesn’t need a nerf

[fathom tulip]

I don't think we should keep an animal stagnant from nerfs or buffs because of 1 playable than may or may not even be on officials

[lilac bolt]

i think its health is fine for how slow it is and leaves it in an ok health range to where it won't just immediately die to say rex or things similar to it. other things would have to change stat wise for an overall nerf to its weight to be ok for the playable but i understand the benefits to having a smaller stego.

[woeful latch]

tbf i also don’t think stego is op or anything

stego is fine, if you can fight it you don’t have to, it’s slow. if you can fight it then fight it

you have a choice

[fathom tulip]

I don't think its OP either, I just think it's boring. If it had lower moss things would actually bother to fight with it

Most things see a stego and just keep walking, even in packs

[woeful latch]

that’s why i can’t wait for kentro to be added

[fathom tulip]

Kentro my beloved 🙏

[lilac bolt]

it'll be like stego just with more things that'll actually try to hunt it

[woeful latch]

tho if kentro will have same power swing mechanic i expect it to one shot ceras and stuff

[fathom tulip]

Been wanting Kentro so bad ever since they released its render

[thick summit]

true

[fathom tulip]

It looks so good

[woeful latch]

like this guy swinging its tail and hitting your head might as well be a death sentence for all the small tiers..

[woeful latch]

i also believe it will be impossible to pounce it as herrera or omni

[fathom tulip]

I wonder if its shoulder spikes will have a passive damage for anything that gets close to it, so predators have to be cautious where they go in for a bite

[fathom tulip]

LOL I never thought about the Herrera interaction