general-feedback-discussion

[sudden shell]

the only success ive had in fleeing using water as herrera was by sitting still in highlands lake because herrera loses stam really slowly when just sitting in water

[eager socket]

You have massive balls for even going in the water at highland

[sudden shell]

your stam should last you long enough to wait out people's hunger enough to make them nervous about staying

[sudden shell]

because i killed the only baby deino in it at the time

[eager socket]

[sudden shell]

i caught a pt out of flight once too

[eager socket]

Absolute chad

I’ve had a Herrera try

[sudden shell]

let me see if i can find the clip of it

[eager socket]

Bruh leave it to Herreras to make kill comps

[sudden shell]

#offtopic-discussion message

[woeful latch]

nice lol

good kill

[sudden shell]

thats verbatim what another herrera that saw said

[eager socket]

[eager socket]

Herrera kill clips are actually mad cool if it’s moving

[sudden shell]

oh you think thats bad then

ill put it in off topic

[eager socket]

@vivid hollow wdym

[vivid hollow]

where you go to accept an egg, in the like spawn menu. maybe instead of just showing when they are ready, it can show like;

maia - 27%

for gestating

[eager socket]

I mean like… it shows kinda?

[sudden shell]

i like the idea

[eager socket]

I’m just not understanding

[icy lion]

You can gestate them long before you ever find a partner, though, you could be waiting on someone who doesn't nest for hours

[vivid hollow]

nah only would show if the eggs are placed in nest and actively gestating. if im not wrong, you can gestate in the belly but once you set them down theres about a 2-5 min wait before they are ready to be accepted? thats what im talking about

[icy lion]

Oh you mean incubating

[vivid hollow]

yea i guess

but maybe it would give more people chances to get an egg and even faster hatching/hatching at the same time so babies grow about the same

[vivid hollow]

does this make more sense?

[eager socket]

Not much but I’m not massive on the nesting system either

[vivid hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[eager socket]

@waxen crane dilo has amazing night vision and ya certain parts of the map can be bad but that’s a bug not a actual issue with the Dino

Plus your bb so it’ll be a wee weaker than normal

[woven bane]

upvoting your own feedback

[eager socket]

Not the dilo laugh

[sudden shell]

every time i see the dilo laugh emote i hear JJJ laughing at peter parker in the back of my mind

[eager socket]

Na that’s so real

[sudden shell]

its not loud, its just a hint of his laugh floating through my thoughts when i see it

[woeful latch]

i will never understand people doing this lmao

[waxen crane]

Oh alright

[eager socket]

Don’t worry there are a lot of dark patches and based on that photo I know exactly where you are that area tends to be far darker than normal and makes it hard to see

[woeful latch]

highlands?

[waxen crane]

Hmm that oughta explain it, but the game gets so dark right now like its not fun

[eager socket]

Na

[eager socket]

He coastal you can see the ocean

[waxen crane]

No that was highlands

[eager socket]

Was it?

[waxen crane]

yeah, thats the lake in the screenshot

[eager socket]

Ok got is

Your just off to the right of the shallows

Now that’s embarrassing

[waxen crane]

How so?

[eager socket]

Was so confident I knew where you where

Me irl after that one

Still same thing darker than normal areas

[eager socket]

I dumb it do be highlands

[waxen crane]

But it is annoying that when you SLIGHTLY look up whilst using NV it gets darker. DRAMATICALLY

[eager socket]

Ya I dunno why it does that

But anyways ngl I though you where by the dam near north area cuz the coast looks a lot like that and the side is cut off

[merry ore]

They never mentioned it because it's a relatively new technology, anyway it's better to know through a developer response what they think of my suggestion.
(If they see my suggestion in the first place lol)

[woeful latch]

playing as a galli rn, nv is fire

it’s just a black screen xd

[hybrid stratus]

How does biteforce to damage work? Like is 1 biteforce = 1 damage?

[woven bane]

yes

[vital laurel]

I should’ve worded it like if devs saw it as beneficial they would’ve said smt, but they haven’t, afaik server meshing isn’t really smt for performance more than a necessity

[woeful latch]

xd

[eager socket]

[woeful latch]

does anybody know when the dilo gets its venom? like exact %?

[merry ore]

I said multiple benefits sir, it's the best idea for increasing players on a large map that constantly has dead areas.

Developers usually don't scale up because a single server responsible for 200+ is a colossal cost in addition to technical issues like Lag, Ping and etc.

[zealous fern]

They usually don't scale up because game engines and networking start to fall apart regardless of server strength. Price usually isn't that much different.

Server Meshing seems like something that would have to planned out pretty far in advance.

[desert arch]

At 350kg if that helps

[merry ore]

Yes, because you would have to modify how interaction commands between players should respond on a server that works by communicating with other servers.

Still, I maintain this idea as the best to expand the island, I would just like a "yes" or "no" from the Devs on this.

[vital laurel]

Petits pieds runs great at 200+ pop, optimisation would defo be better than investing in new tech that ue5 is just starting to support

How would multiple servers cut down costs or anything like that compared to one strong server?

[vital laurel]

Also if you think ue5 will do a good implementation of server meshing read up on nanite and lumen

[merry ore]

As far as I know, a large server is more expensive and usually has a lot more problems, I remember someone saying about a server that had 400/600 slots and it only lasted 1 day because it suffered from crashes etc.

Maybe 200 players is not bad, but the developers themselves should answer about this, we have already had servers with 150 in HT, but not more than that.

[vital laurel]

That must’ve been ages ago and isle has never been particularly stable

[woeful latch]

ok tyty

i’m 250 scavenging🥹🔥

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

#general-feedback message lol

[desert arch]

@native trail herbivores cant track footprints

Not even omnivores can

[agile stirrup]

Unofficials hit 200 and more and run “fine” for isle standards.

I agree with everyone else on this one, it would be easier and more efficient to just up the player count tbh and optimize the game where it’s at already.

If the isle was running optimally most of the people who play who actually have decent computers and specs wouldn’t experience the issues that are so prevalent in the game probably.

[normal shuttle]

how dare the herbivores try to kill carnivores instead of running away from them, thus ensuring their prosperity and that of their young

[native trail]

how the hell did I got hunt down for 20 minutes straight by two diablos? Iwasn't bleeding just chase down for not reason .

[normal shuttle]

I guess they just sort of predicted where you went

[midnight heath]

I was about to comment the same thing, they can't track footprints or blood, they can smell blood spots sometimes but can't pick it up and follow it like a carnivore can.

[desert arch]

What were you playing as?

[native trail]

carno

[desert arch]

Also how did you get ran down, w+shift and they cant do anything

[woven bane]

tbf they can use the blood to kinda track

[desert arch]

Do a circle or break line of sight and its gg

[midnight heath]

Not really, it's not anything like how carnivores get it.

They just see fresh blood spots

[desert arch]

They wont know where the trail is leading

[midnight heath]

I think they should be able to see blood, it's blood

Makes no sense for them not to see it

[normal shuttle]

even then I wouldn't mind herbivores smelling footprints since that could help their survival too

[woven bane]

depends, if you’re bleeding heavily you do not want to move around much

[desert arch]

I mean yeah, but at that point youre just done anyway no? Lol

[normal shuttle]

if you're bleeding heavily you royally messed up

carni's fault

[midnight heath]

I was about to say, if you're bleeding that bad and sit in a bush around other players that's gg.

It's like if you get run down by a slower herbivore and killed because you didn't manage your stamina, kind of on you.

[native trail]

this was my path after being spotted . I run out stam but they were way far behind . not bleeding

[normal shuttle]

hmmm

[native trail]

there isn't freaking way they cant track me

[normal shuttle]

how far were they really? was it daytime? Maybe they could see you moving and guess the location?

[midnight heath]

Different diablos? There's more than 2 on the server and Delta gets them sometimes.

[vital laurel]

You’re kinda disproving yourself now, 300 players is what the game would need max and it is defo possible

[normal shuttle]

there's also the chance those were cheaters but that's the last resource

[midnight heath]

Cheaters have been more common as of late

[native trail]

I couldn't hear them . Neither see them . Till later on when i was resting

[midnight heath]

Well that all aside, your feedback has nothing to do with that situation it seems

They didn't track you via footprints or blood.

[native trail]

yeah apologize , i will take it down . I dont want to believe those were cheater just Im really surprise of how well they track me .

[midnight heath]

I wouldn't put it past cheating but who knows, I tend to keep replays on for that.

[vital laurel]

Herbis can’t track footsteps lol, they can only smell blood

[midnight heath]

Yeah, meant they can't really track blood either. They see it, but can't tell direction for it.

Blood is one of the few ways I've learned that herd members have been attacked recently, it's a useful thing.

Squirrel hypsi is an idea I hope for, Cletuzz

[normal shuttle]

even then I'd advocate for herbis being able to see footprints so you can know for example if there's a predator nearby

[midnight heath]

I want the funky tail flick squirrels do but for hypsi, it'd be silly.

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-cutie-tail-incredibugs-gif-7643223

[normal shuttle]

yeah, one of my bigger gripes (not much to say since I love herra) with herra is how slow it is unless it moves upward. So I think it would be refreshing to have something maybe with a shorter jump but very mobile in all directions climbing or even able to be upside down as it climbs

[midnight heath]

Hypsi should absolutely be the superior climber, considering it's not going to be much a threat to anyone so I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be.

Also it's fall DMG would be tweaked, far better res would be nice.

[normal shuttle]

also to escape herra in the trees obv

[normal shuttle]

true, considering it is by far the weakest thing in survival of all the roster it wouldn't matter to make it a god in agility

everyone else in its weight class (even though it is the lightest) has any sort of combat kit. Homalo, Troodon, Minmi...While the whole hypsi thing is escaping

[woven bane]

herrera should be faster and capable of leaping further distances imo. hypsi should def be more nimble though

[midnight heath]

I don't agree with the faster, but I do with jumping distances. Hypsi has a charged jump and jumps pretty high already.

[woven bane]

no after fighting a teno for example

[midnight heath]

Hypsi is smaller and far more nimble than herrera

And will likely be preyed on by herrera, if it's not faster it's not going to have a great time since it can't defend itself either.

[woven bane]

hypsi has tiny limbs, animating it to be faster than a herrera wouldn’t work prob

[midnight heath]

Squirrels have smaller limbs and move incredibly fast in trees.

[white elm]

Hypsi also can't attack things from the trees, there is no benefit to making it slower than Herrera

It's not like Herrera struggles for food

[woven bane]

that’s why it should be way more nimble, hypsi’s are also pretty hard to spot and track through trees because of leaves and branches not to mention the thing is tiny lol

[midnight heath]

Nimble means "fast" to an extent.

Calling something nimble would pose that it's fast and agile.

Herrera isn't really nimble, it body flops onto things to kill them and climbs pretty slow.

Herrera's most agile movement is on the ground

[woven bane]

yea it should be faster than it currently is at least sideways

[normal shuttle]

I agree with the leap range, total disagree with the speed though merely because I cannot see why would herra need it when it can also try to jump hypsis and one is 9 times lighter than the other

[midnight heath]

I disagree given herrera 1-taps most things it's size and deals an insane amount of bleed.

Last thing it needs is a boost in speed whilst climbing.

[woven bane]

what does that have to do with its climbing feeling awful?

[midnight heath]

I don't think it feels awful

[woven bane]

it does, you move at 3 kmh while climbing side ways

[midnight heath]

It's an ambush predator, you don't move much.

You pick a spot facing where players will be and that's perfectly fine.

[woven bane]

it’s also arboreal and should be fun to use in trees

[midnight heath]

I think it is, a lot of people do. There's a reason so many still play it.

[woven bane]

ambushing dosent mean camping 1 spot there is more to it

[midnight heath]

If it felt like absolute dog water, no one would play it and you wouldn't see +8 of them at a time.

[normal shuttle]

herra is like the third most played land carni

[woven bane]

yea because it’s strong🤷‍♂️

[normal shuttle]

also fun because you have parkour jumping and you don't need sideways movement for anything

[midnight heath]

It kind of does mean that for the most part

[woven bane]

me when the arboreal creature dosent suck in trees:

[midnight heath]

"Lying in wait" doesn't mean move spot to spot

[woven bane]

it depends, something like deino does that but claiming that ambushing just means camping one spot is not true. there’s stalking behind it, you can move while crouched for example

anyways i don’t think it being strong means that it’s climbing should be bad

[midnight heath]

I don't know what to tell you, I showed you the actual definition of "ambush"

[normal shuttle]

deino stalking in question: sprinting in a straight line while walking on the bottom completely undetected without any effort

[midnight heath]

I can't wait for more aquatic life, deino will be far more enjoyable for sure.

[woven bane]

lions are ambush predators but they don’t pick a spot and wait patiently🤷‍♂️

different types of it

[midnight heath]

They do though, they sit and when prey comes by ambush it.

[normal shuttle]

When hunting they sure aren’t that mobile

Until it’s time to chase

[midnight heath]

A little chase and then it's dead

Herrera isn't a ground dweller either, it's a weird thing to try and relate to herrera's ambushing.

[woven bane]

they stalk through the tall grass hunched down till they get close enough not pick a spot and wait like crocodiles do

[midnight heath]

I'm pretty sure we've had a debate about this very thing because someone tried running down prey as herrera.

[woven bane]

huh

when was this?

[midnight heath]

Ah, don't think it was you. My apologies, I basically had the same conversation with someone named "Jxmper"

[woven bane]

oh alright i’m not advocating for it to hunt stuff down on ground just saying that its climbing could use some improvements to make it feel better

[midnight heath]

God it was a while ago too, back in 4/15/2024.

I think herrera needs maybe a little better stamina regen if anything.

[normal shuttle]

Wouldn’t mind that too much.

BUT HYPSI SHOULD BE THE FASTEST IN VERTICAL SURFACES

[woven bane]

dude that’s like 8 months ago

[midnight heath]

Hence the déjà vu

[midnight heath]

Let him spin around the trunks all funny like

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrels-viralhog-chasing-circling-around-tree-playful-animals-gif-18493148

[midnight heath]

Yeah that, that

I couldn't find a GIF of it, thank God you did.

[merry ore]

Nuh uh, I was referring to a single server supporting 200.

My suggestion is to allow 300 players on a single server (A sever separated by severs) even more, without causing technical problems, lag, etc.

[sudden shell]

thats how you prevent dilo clones from spawning on top of you in trees

[twilit snow]

@dawn hound They actually have style guides already.

We actually have a whole team of animators now, as well, I think like 6-8

As for modeling I don't know

[dawn hound]

wow, thats actually great. I hope there will be a team of coders and modelers or so, so the game gets updates fast, efficiently and perhaps better than before!

the game will also perhaps because of that gain bigger audience

[twilit snow]

I don't think we need more modelers, the game basically has all the models it needs right now.

But programmers I agree with 100%, more programmers would be huge. But coming across a trustworthy and good programmr that also WANTS to work for a game that's been in active development for nearly 10 years now, is definitely harder

[dawn hound]

I hope the game manages to advertise itself properly and gets updates faster. Oh and also there have been some stuff i found on the map that arent... mapping..

[woven bane]

eh, i feel like it could use a faster side climb more, it would ameliorate the experience and not mess with the balance much.
i always imagined herra to be a versatile ambusher that seeks its prey rather than waiting in 1 spot for the prey to come to it. it has a whole mechanic for an unique way of traversal why not utilize it during hunts? would make it more fun but that’s just my take on it

[eager socket]

@neat pawn brother that is tiny tier not small

Small is every other carnivore (minus deino)

Tiny is the 100kg and lighter gang

[vital laurel]

Why whould we need 300+ slots tho

[merry ore]

To populate dead zones on the map

[zealous fern]

Dead zones are dead because of a lack of resources for the most part. You'll only make it 3x more populated than it is now which is barely at all

[merry ore]

The map is big for only 100 players sir
What I'm going to do is make the dead zones have a life of their own, increasing player exploration between different parts of the map.

[zealous fern]

I agree the map is big. But adding more players will only make hot spots more crowded. To spread the player population out, even if you could have 500 players on the map, you'd need to add more resources and distributed hot spots like ponds, creeks, and food

[ornate dock]

true, but i do think higher slot count would populate the deadzones because the hotzones will be so overcrowded that people will have to go to the deader zones if they cant survive the hotspot (this is besides wether or not more slots would be good, just saying that it should populate the deadzones more)

[zealous fern]

I think a meshed server system would be awesome but it's not really feasible for a game at this stage in development.

[merry ore]

People choose to go to Hotspots, especially carnivores, because it is the only place with available food and better chances of survival. Exploring dead places is a death sentence for carnivores. For herbivores, they end up being isolated from interaction, making them go to Hotspot zones in search of interaction and fighting.

[vital laurel]

There will always be dead zones? The game has built in hotspots

[vital laurel]

@sudden tapir help him see the light

[zealous fern]

Not to mention water. A dibble functionally can't make it too far on a full tank of gas

[merry ore]

Most players are carnivores and they are looking for food, if you are born in an area with life, it is difficult to leave it because it already sustains you and it would be foolish to abandon a good hunting spot.

[vital laurel]

So why not address that issue instead of rewriting the net code and creating 500 pop servers on a game that sometimes doesn’t break 4000(aka 8 total servers)

[merry ore]

There are 100 players, but only a few locations have this amount of players concentrated, causing the carnivores to seek out these areas automatically.

By creating a map divided into servers with their own living areas, we created multiple Hotspot locations.

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message it doesn’t bite in the concept art

God maia defenders are so annoying

(It is my favorite herbivore atm and it will likely remain that way)

[sudden tapir]

Don't feel like it rn

[merry ore]

Nuh uh, dead zones only exist due to a lack of players in the area, players seek out places of interaction with successful hunting.

If we create multiple Hotspots, in the end players will not gather at a single Hotspot, but will spread out across the map.

[vital laurel]

The huh in the what, there are already multiple hotspots on bigger servers…

[vital laurel]

MY BORTHER IN CHRIST WE HAVE MIGRATIONS, PZ, WATER DRAIN, SANCS AND NESTING ZONES, WHAT DO YOU MEAN NUH UH

[merry ore]

More players, greater chance of finding life in different locations, however it is still standard for the south and the Highlands areas to be more populated than the rest of the map.

[merry ore]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[zealous fern]

I think the issue here is the map is just too big and you think that a feasible solution is for the devs to rewrite half the engine

[merry ore]

Sacrifices are necessary

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-snake-gif-15746462938455701178

[zealous fern]

But even as large as the map is you can pretty much always find action around south plains. I don't go over there much but I've heard swamp has a fair amount going on

[vital laurel]

No lol, 300 players is resonable and achievable and will with the right mechanics spread everyone around

[zealous fern]

Yeah but honestly why bother when you could make the map 25% smaller and get 150 people on there.

If the engine will support it as large as possible would be great, though

[vital laurel]

You cant exactly scale the map down and more players are more fun and with humans and 40 playable dinos its pretty needed

[lilac bolt]

also improvements to how migrations work and how it spreads out players could help

[merry ore]

I've suggested reductions before, they're meant to be suitable and efficient for a smaller scale of players, but people here act like it's a crime to reduce a map made for 400 players.

[ornate dock]

i mean the map is so gorgeous though i want to enjoy its varied and interesting locations

[sudden shell]

thats how i feel too

[zealous fern]

I don't know if it's necessary to actually shrink the map as a whole for performance, but I think it would be fine for the resources to be focused on the kind of west rail south plains swamp band

[merry ore]

It is possible to create different locations on a smaller scale...

[ornate dock]

i think the part of the map being too big for 100 players is an issue because we only get to play in a few areas, so reducing the map to those areas wouldnt solve the issues (im exaggerating a little)

[vital laurel]

Will help 100%, just getting rid of the species zones and getting a spread of every spices in every zone would help, or clusters of the species that have each other on diet and matching biomes or smt

[zealous fern]

Don't only some of the plants spawn at once for performance reasons

I think having plants all over the map all the time would put a strain on it

You have a few competing issues in terms of size and resource distribution, i suppose. Even a smaller map would feel too big if herbivores could go to any inch of it and survive forever

But too few hotspots and you make it too densely populated in just a few small areas

[ornate dock]

it defo would, the pz system needs a rework though because its inconsistent for herbivores and practically useless for carnivores in its current state, as well as feel op for herbivores and promotes staying in 1 area instead of roaming around more

[merry ore]

I have an idea that doesn't involve increasing the player population and that could help the game so you can explore different parts of the map.

AI Dinosaurs
Most of them are herbivores, the developers could work on an AI based on survival of the fittest, leaving AIs suitable for survival in the game.
A player could use an AI of their species to reproduce and have a nest.

https://tenor.com/view/cutler-beckett-lord-beckett-pirates-of-the-caribbean-cutler-beckett-death-gif-24756016

[agile stirrup]

agree, i also think adding weather like someone mentioned that basically forces people to move like droughts or flooding etc would help. migration is good (kinda in theory) but it needs to be fleshed out more to function how it’s supposed to

[ornate dock]

i hear you but i think part of the fun is that you need to hunt players for a good amount of food, otherwise it would probably end with carnis and herbis living in harmony and there being no ecosystem

[vital laurel]

Just why💀, there are so many simpler ways around the issue you expressed, like playing petits pieds

[merry ore]

The offspring stage of this AI would be generated in immigration zones (or by some AI couple)

[zealous fern]

I'm fine with AI mostly being restricted to current sizes and smaller

[merry ore]

At what point in the history of The Isle was there harmony

[zealous fern]

I'd like for AI to be an option for small carnivores (with a boar being a decent prize) but force full grown carnivores to go after players

[agile stirrup]

nah by mz i meant the mz for herbivores, its still wonky sometimes. AI for carnivores is kinda scare or i just dont know the locations where they spawn well

[zealous fern]

I have found it pretty reliable so far. ai animals are wayyyy more inconsistent

[ornate dock]

i think both pz and mz are very wonky right now and could use some calibrating

[zealous fern]

Even couple dozen intermittently dry creeks/ponds around the map would add some cool variation. They don't have to be far from current hotspots

I have only played herbivores for a few hours recently but I was able to find food at them. I did notice a friend and I had different patrol zones

[merry ore]

Furthermore, in real life animals do not die of hunger, it is a rare occurrence for carnivores, most die as a result of fights, diseases and other causes that result in death.

In the game, hunger is just a survival instinct, it should not be treated as the main priority of death.

[stark anvil]

Im pretty new but am experienced in tracking animals irl and was curious if there were plans to implement droppings, I could see such a system actually adding a good foundation to flesh out other features like spreading seeds from herbivores and giving intermittent elements for tracking, it's not just for funny dino poop haha but it's a major part of real ecosystems?

[merry ore]

yes have plans for droppings

[zealous fern]

Most real life apex carnivores die of what is essentially a combination of old age and starvation

[agile stirrup]

fr that would be so awesome. plus it would give rain vs days without an actual function, and it would make players think about the weather in terms of survival. if it’s raining you can chill anywhere, if not you better know where the nearest water source is type thing

[merry ore]

I suggested this once and a Mod told me that it was in the devs' plans.

[green niche]

most of them die before reaching adulthood. the wild is a harsh place

[merry ore]

Elden System moment

[stark anvil]

That's awesome .....can't wait to see the (press E to hold it in.) Prompt when a t rex is sniffing near my bush 😂

[green niche]

also lions will roam a good few km every day. they dont wait in one spot

[agile stirrup]

im ngl the tracking rn kinda sucks and isnt intuitive as it was in the past. in general the footsteps are just hit or miss hard to find once you pick up one up. the blood is kinda easier to track tho

[stark anvil]

For proper scents they will also need to factor in wind direction

[zealous fern]

Can you post pictures in here?

[merry ore]

I don't know if they'll implement this the same way as my idea, but the animals in the game would basically poop constantly and you'd be able to see a list of animals that are in the location through the poop, as well as track the exact location of the poop.

Herbivores would only be able to know who made the poop if the animal was their predator or an animal larger than them.

[zealous fern]

I have a chart of lion mortality

[zealous fern]

Rain filling it would actually be sick

[gloomy tendon]

It is very difficult to track someone purely based off their footsteps now, though I think, and I may be wrong, the current system is trying to lean toward a more realistic and less near or 100% accurate ability to find someone whose carelessly sprinting around. I think a lot more players engage with other's by pure chance of running into them rather than stalking around in the woods like I used to in Legacy.

[stark anvil]

Some animals use it to mark border territory or advertise courtship readiness, I can imagine that would be a cool aspect as an Apex of establishing territory and defending it or challenging the regions dominant Apex to claim it....victory rawr time

[gloomy tendon]

I remember being able to find someone almost every time I saw their yellow footprints in Legacy, so I understand the change tbh.

[stark anvil]

What I saw does look like it was op so I think devs made correct decision but it's a starting point to add more

[gloomy tendon]

I have over 3k hours in legacy and yeah, the OG system was very op.

I don't 100% agree with the current system now though. When you're in jungle or anywhere that's heavily covered with green it's so hard to follow.

You almost always have to rely on sound and sight, and most commonly the former of the two in order to track and kill someone.

But I think it's fine for now. It's not like a high priority thing so it can always be tweaked later down the line.

[stark anvil]

As a Hypsi I am very happy about the coverage lol

[gloomy tendon]

I tried Hypsi for awhile because it was one of the new and unique additions and I was so disappointed 😭

I think it needs a buff.

[stark anvil]

It needs to play in the trees!

[gloomy tendon]

I thought it could climb when I first started actually

Very disappointed by that

[stark anvil]

Was tree Hypsi so op they took it out?

[sudden shell]

no, it has just yet to be added

its been planned for a while

[stark anvil]

Isn't there a tree climbing carnivore?

[sudden shell]

herrerasaurus, my main

[dusky swift]

The only

[sudden shell]

its a tree rat and i love it

[stark anvil]

Is it's climbing bugged, seems weird they wouldn't just turn it on then unless there is a coding issue I don't understand

[dusky swift]

hope hypsi climbs like a squirrel when he can finally climb

[gloomy tendon]

Herrera is actually so much fun

[sudden shell]

its not bugged that much, id say it works about 95% of the time

[gloomy tendon]

It's the most perfected carnivore imo.

[sudden shell]

it really doesnt feel like it needs adjusting, it slots in perfectly

[gloomy tendon]

Right?

I gave up Omni for Herrera because Omni is just.. Phew

It needs some TLC 😭

[stark anvil]

Maybe it needs a special animation rigging?

[dusky swift]

TLC ?

[sudden shell]

i started maining herrera because i was just impressed with the fact that the devs managed to make a climbing system on par with Ancestors: THO

[gloomy tendon]

Hypsi is low on the priority list as it seems that they're focusing on bringing in more classic playables like trex and trike

Which is a shame because the bugs are rampant.

[stark anvil]

Tender loving care

[gloomy tendon]

I'm more so impressed that they decided to add in something so complex. We've never seen anything like this and it's done really well. Yeah, there's a few weird bugs with climbing but it's fine.

Herrera really doesn't take that long to grow if I launch myself from a tree and it doesn't register as a leap and I break my ankles and die 😭

[dusky swift]

Unfortunately yes, tiny dinosaurs don't get any help

[sudden shell]

i find it funny that most of the climbing bugs are due to the tree hitboxes and not the climbing itself

[gloomy tendon]

I honestly wish they'd release Trex and Trike then cut themselves off from new playables until they refine some mechanics and do some bug sweeps.

[gloomy tendon]

This lol

[stark anvil]

I came to the game for the Hypsi lol I didn't know there wasn't a T-rex cause it's like the assumed default😂

[gloomy tendon]

No apexes currently

[sudden shell]

have you seen the way you can float on those smaller palm trees?

[ornate dock]

croc

[gloomy tendon]

Fair. But imo it's so useless right now

It's so hard to grow. I tried for a week straight and kept starving or getting cannibalized by people who managed to make it past juvi

I remember playing it way long ago and it feeling less like an obsolete creature. Though, that could be more of a personal exp than a global one.

[ornate dock]

true but i think thats a part of the apex challenge no?

[gloomy tendon]

True. But even in Legacy the apex challenge was not nearly that high of a thing to conquer.

[stark anvil]

Hypsi is all about being the mouse in the game of Carno & Mouse and seeing how many times you can escape deaths littleral jaws

[ornate dock]

fair, fair

[dusky swift]

I think croc is more of a semi apax

[gloomy tendon]

I won't compare these two branches too much because they're very different, but I feel like the struggle to survive as a deino is less of a skill ceiling thing and more of a luck thing.

[sudden shell]

#isle-discussion message

[dusky swift]

@sudden shell ya, but it is lockt to the water

[sudden shell]

its still an apex

[gloomy tendon]

So it would be nice to see them revisit it by going through the feedback about deino and maybe applying some of those concepts. I shouldn't scroll through feedback and see rampant deino posts every day and especially about the same thing. Feels like they've abandoned Deino for the time being in order to work on trike/trex.

[icy lion]

The devs have plans to go over and polish many of the old playables, including deino, ptera, and pachy

[dusky swift]

Im honesty more aftait of stegos than crocs

[gloomy tendon]

Do they primarily communicate through devblogs or is there another source?

[icy lion]

In fact, work being done on deino is how the underwater turn rate was mistakenly slowed

[icy lion]

This server, especially in #isle-discussion

[gloomy tendon]

Ohh.

That's actually perfect. I often felt like there wasn't enough communication but I guess I wasn't looking in the right area lol

[sudden shell]

so its true that it was a mistake? i wasnt sure

[dusky swift]

Same😂

[icy lion]

Yea one sec

[gloomy tendon]

Ever since the trello roadmap got taken down 😭 (understandably so)

[gloomy tendon]

That's cool. Do they share info often there?

I might have to keep an eye on the channel from now on.

[stark anvil]

Any plan to add more servers? The queue times to get in any game make me think they need to boot players after being in the respawn menu to long

[zealous violet]

ngl, I'd love to see a pvp server. Something with a tiny map that had a bunch of biomes where players can just come in and get all their toxic energy out XP

[white elm]

#general-feedback message thoughts?

[zealous violet]

I cant even... Ive been playing for the last few hours and have done nothing but run to migration zones. I get to a migration, lay down to regain stam and the second I get stam i stand, sniff and find that the migration zone has moved. Are you kidding me rn... Not only that but everything I eat is gone in 2 bites.

[agile stirrup]

#general-feedback message

im sorry but none of these are remotely viable attacks 😭 nor do they allow fair gameplay competition

[zealous violet]

I dunno, I could see a few of them being used if we were to tweak them a bit to fit more realistically into the game. I dont think anything that would physically throw another player is viable, but perhaps the grappling could be done but it seems more a self-defense move to me. The spino grabs the deinos mouth so the deino cant attack and its just a stamina struggle from there.

[icy lion]

@summer olive Already in progress

[summer olive]

where can I see that?

and what exacly do you mean by ´´progress´´ ? Any concrete information on what is being worked on?

[icy lion]

Developer comments

[summer olive]

where?

any channel?

[icy lion]

Conversations in #isle-discussion

[summer olive]

okay, any concrete information?

[icy lion]

Beipi's breach height is still slated for an increase as an adult, dryo is still planned to get burrowing, hypsi is still planned to get climbing, ptera's ground capabilities are being reworked and expanded as well as getting thermals for flight, deino is getting a ton of adjustments for its gameplay, etc

All the old animals are planned to get polish to bring them up to par

Not including new abilities like I mentioned for dryo and hypsi

[sudden shell]

from what kissen said, even herrera is getting something new

[icy lion]

Half of what you mentioned is a bug affecting more than ptera and the other half is fixed by flying better

[summer olive]

thats really sad

[icy lion]

?

[summer olive]

you said not including the new abilities for dryo and hypsi

[summer olive]

well I could explain further how hypsi and dryo are useless af ingame as we all know right now...

[sudden shell]

i believe they meant it as in the new abilities wont be getting a re-polish because they will have been new

[summer olive]

and pteras only reliable foodsource is fish. I mean they did mess up ai spawns once again

[icy lion]

What I meant is that the dinos are planned to get improvements other than new abilities

[summer olive]

well the climbing for hypsi shouldnt be all too new Ig since we already have a really good climber ingame

[summer olive]

aight

[icy lion]

All gameplay is planned to get improvements and expansions

[summer olive]

my question is

that has always been planned.

[icy lion]

Of course

[sudden shell]

which is sort of interesting to me because there are elements of the game that i would say are in a great state

[summer olive]

will it happen before they push out even more unfinished stuff or are they working on it right now so we might see some game improvements before new dinosaurs?

[summer olive]

Id say herra doesnt new anything new as of now its the most balanced dino ingame currently (at least from what I ve seen and experienced)

[midnight heath]

They only added a new diet system, a new dinosaur that gave a lot of carnivores a new diet food, more salt rocks around the map and a way to increase hunger drain, along with balance changes all as of late.

[sudden shell]

from what ive learned from Kissen, its not something huge, just a new way of latching

[summer olive]

yes and except for the diet system everything else was pretty unneccessary

[summer olive]

ah aight

[icy lion]

They work on these things simultaneously

[summer olive]

Well I hope theyll rework herras swimming animation

[midnight heath]

Elaborate how the things that directly helped were unnecessary?

[summer olive]

because its supposed to be somewhat semi aquatic (diet reasons) but looks like a drowning rat when swimming. even troodon looks more adapted to the water haha

[sudden shell]

me too, i love being a water herrera

[white elm]

Literally just give it Troodon's swimming animation

[summer olive]

I dont see how maia is helping other than again making a mass appearance as it is new and being pretty overpowered for whats its supposed to be

[chilly ermine]

@mortal parrot I'm surprised you only mentioned removing the fog in your suggestion and not replacing it with something else more unique.

[summer olive]

yes

[summer olive]

EXACLY MY THOUGHTS:

[mortal parrot]

I would be happier if it didn't have the fog than with it

[white elm]

and give Troodon Herrera's swim animation

[summer olive]

also its drowns as fast as a hypsi which kinda misses the point in it having diets like frogs, fish and beipis which are (mostly) underwater

[desert arch]

[latent olive]

@dawn hound the devs aren’t updating the store page or swapping evrima to main branch until they feel it surpasses legacy in content

also, the devs are actively hiring new staff, and kissen has talked about them having guides for new staff members to use when working

[summer olive]

not exacly because herras swim animation because that animation just looks horrible for all dinos. it looks like a struggling rat trying to catch a breath while swimming in boiling water

[sudden shell]

i love the vision of a troodon absolutely struggling to cross a small body of water, but troodon needs what it can get

[white elm]

OWL what do you think of Corytho venom #general-feedback message

[latent olive]

interesting as hell

I’d prefer something other than just bleeding, because that makes it look like it just deals bleed damage on attack

[summer olive]

maybe more like it is now but a little bit slower

[icy lion]

It's not meant to be a semiaquatic

[white elm]

Fair, that's why I added the bit about keybind reversing

[sudden shell]

its sort of a semi-semiaquatic

[icy lion]

That's annoyed me since day 1

[white elm]

[midnight heath]

It added a new food for a lot of the roster, they're not super OP either. When they do eventually die, there's food.

Gastroliths directly help players manage their diet, making it easier to grow faster.

Salt rocks being expanded across the map directly helps with vomit sickness, especially with ceras new bile change.

[summer olive]

it does actually but I think they have more important stuff to do, even tho they arent gaining any new players from it because theres nearly no information on steam that there is a better looking, more pormising version of the game. most people just install legacy and be like man wtf is this

[latent olive]

they’re trying to finish the gameplay loop first

[summer olive]

especially the people who saw evrima gameplay and went to buy it.

[midnight heath]

They absolutely have gained new players, have you seen the queue times?

[summer olive]

I know. Still they should release some information about evrima on steam because again many new players DONT know about the branch switching and stuff

[white elm]

yellowtones 😳

[summer olive]

it would be less confusing and more inviting

[midnight heath]

😔 🫰

[white elm]

It seems as if the PoT and Isle youtubers are switching around. Yellowtones is doing Isle stuff, and OwlTime just released a PoT video

[summer olive]

Idk I dont feel like any of the carnivores needed a new lines diet. S wouldve done a better job for most since thats mostly the diet everyone struggles to get (Not including herbis)

[midnight heath]

That's not true, the only things that gave lines previously were Galli (good luck), Dryo (good luck), ptera (good luck), Stego (good luck) and Dilo (Finally!)

Oh and Hypsi, that's lines. Good luck

[summer olive]

I dont know why PoT is even so popular rn. When it was new and fresh some animations looked weird but I was sure theyd work on it as it had very pormising mechanics and graphics. But it just kinda evolved into something simmilar like dino sim on roblox... the controlls feel weird, the animations are really really bad mostly and idk I feel like there 0 effort being put in the game to increase its quality.

[summer olive]

turtles?

[midnight heath]

Carno, Deino, Omni, and Diablo are all S and very common.

[summer olive]

Tacos?

[midnight heath]

I didn't count AI, since it's not consistent.

[summer olive]

Pretty hard to kill tho

[midnight heath]

Disagree

[summer olive]

It WAS before the update

[midnight heath]

As opposed to things you don't find, are too small and is stego; S is far easier to come by.

[summer olive]

idk how youre gonna kill a pack of omnis as a single carno for instance.

[midnight heath]

Spam charge

[summer olive]

or anything on land as a solo

[summer olive]

omnis are was to agile to be charged that easy

[midnight heath]

My carno killed 4 omnis in one fight via spam charge, it's not exactly that hard, especially with how awful pounce is right now.

[summer olive]

idk bout pounce I dont play omni because I hate the animal in general

Its just a weird jp raptor rip off that feels arkward to mention to me

and the calls are super annoying

[midnight heath]

Ideally don't make reference then if you don't have much experience with the playable, that's how I feel at least.

I agree but hey, what can you do?

[summer olive]

especially when you have a pack of 10 running around and spamcalling

[summer olive]

I did play carno alot

[midnight heath]

Yes but you commented on Omni, I assure you it's not that hard with Carno; even now that they've changed grapple.

[summer olive]

but after it got nerfed the turn was so extremly bad that you´d get @ssridden by omnis. or bled out for instance

[midnight heath]

I haven't had that issue I guess, not since Carno's rework.

[summer olive]

Gonna need to try it out I guess.

I dont know im just not a big fan of pvp in general. I dont like survival games feeling like a deathmatch

thats why I mostly referr to playing ptera and other small creatures because those feel like survival and less like a 24/7 deathmatch

especially on officials its kinda not really possible to play in a survival like style as something as a carno because of the mega packs/mixpacks etc. you either gotta be really super skilled at fighting (Which I am not even tho with +2k hours) or mixpack yourself (which I hate to do) or just play as something that isnt forced to choose from the first 2 options.

now that pteras mostly unplayable cuz of the messed up ai spawns, the broken nesting and the horrific stamina regen, I really dont find the game enjoyable.

[midnight heath]

PVP is apart of the game, if you're not well versed with it, it is ideal maybe to play playables less reliant on it for sure.

I think it's important to be experienced with a playable before commenting on it, it's why I'm always baffled to see people give feedback about things that just don't exist and if they'd just play that playable; they'd know.

Officials are rough but not impossible, megapacks/mixpacks (most of the time) tend to be in heavily populated areas of the map, avoid those and you're likely to not see them but I agree it's hard and a problem.

I enjoy Ptera, I think the cling to regen really helped it and with air vents on the horizon it'll be even better. I do think young Ptera needs a little better stamina however.

[mortal parrot]

I mostly wanted to point out how useless of a mechanic it is for Troodon to have the fog

[quick talon]

Anyone knows any good ways to optimize the game? I have an rtx 4060, 16gb ddr5 and a 5 GHZ 12th gen processor and the game still cannot go past 90 fps with everything set on low and with NVIDIA DLSS Ultraperformance mode. The shadows look awful with this setting and the 3d resolution si reduced, making dines that are far away hard to distinguish from rocks or bushes.

If I disable it, leave everything on low and up the 3D Resolution to 100, I get no more than 25-30 fps

[sage plover]

I have no idea, my friend has a 3060 and can run this game at 60 fps high settings, so idk why your 4060 cant do that

what resolution monitor do you have? because if its anything above 1080p with a 4060 would stuggle

[quick talon]

1440p but I don't think that should be the issue

I will switch the monitor to see if it makes any difference

[junior nymph]

@cursive garnet its a anti cheat function to where you are moving faster than what your dino is you get kicked it helps with speedhackers

[cursive garnet]

I'm aware. It needs to be addressed, clearly it's got issues.

[junior nymph]

id say theres more important stuff rn

[cursive garnet]

Yes. Letting them know there's a problem is still important.

[covert tiger]

@cursive garnet i never experienced it when jumping off cliffs

[cursive garnet]

Good, it's incredibly frustrating. It's caused me to lose 2 fg carnos and a tenoto.

Each time it's happened, I was specifically attempting to dive into water to escape something.

[stark anvil]

Wait does the game not force you out of an official server if you afk in the respawn menu? I can imagine theres more than a few slots taken by people who don't want to wait in queue by just staying logged into the server, have they been made aware of this?

Helldivers 2 had the same problem for it's first month

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message you lost me on “its charged bite can only be used near a corpse or when it has bacteria stock”

[dusky swift]

I think the corpse buff should be completely removed

Cera is supposed to eat rotting flesh and make meat rot faster, he doesn't need to steal corpses

[junior nymph]

its supposed to be a corpse bully

and scavenger

[dusky swift]

why should he?
It already has access to more food than other carnivores

He is the only land predator that hardly has any food problems

[woven bane]

i knew cera was hated but man

[dusky swift]

If he wants prey from someone he should fight in an even fight

[woven bane]

should we remove dilos night buff while we’re at it

me when my corpse bully is a corpse bully:

[limber hull]

there's a difference between hating cera and misunderstanding it. The corpse buff is essential for it to work as what it's supposed to do

[woven bane]

cera needs a whole rework

a massive one

[dusky swift]

He already has bacteria bites as defense, as well as tons of resistance

[limber hull]

said resistances come from the corpses most of the time

dont nerf its defensive abilities, that's literally all it should be doing as a playable

[dusky swift]

He has a lot even without the buff

[limber hull]

if you wanna nerf cerato in a way that actually is consistent with the animal's identity, hit its offensive power

its agility, resistances and body buff are essential for it to actually do what it was intended to do

[latent olive]

imagine what life would be like if cerato moved just 3 or 4 kmph slower

[white elm]

Maia is already faster than Cera right?

[latent olive]

maia is pretty much faster than every carnivore except dilo and carno

[white elm]

Right

Then I don't see any issues with it being slower

[woeful latch]

that whole conversation made me think about something.

so if we imagine that cerato is a corpse bully, so why is it THAT strong even without the body?
why it does so much damage and has bleed resistance without the body nearby?

but if it’s that strong without the body is it even fair to give it body buff since other carnivores having hard time fighting it anyway, let alone with the body buff.

so if it’s such a good brawler maybe we should remove all its scavenger body bully things?

or maybe we should remove its other buffs to make it more of a scavenger it should be? or maybe it would be fair to make it only strong near tho bodies to justify its 50% damage resistance?

what do you think?

[woeful latch]

i agree, i think it should be something else

kissen confirmed this few days ago, so maybe we’ll see some reworks and stuff in the near future

[quick talon]

@urban flax Sup, what do you think is wrong with the suggestion?

Just curious to what others are thinking and why they agree or disagree, if you will.

[urban flax]

Raptor isn't really a nocturnal hunter, not as much as dilo is
Dilo being a bleeder on top of having its venom would make it insufferable to deal with
The wiki isn't a good thing to base anything off, there is no reason to make dilo lighter than it is, especially not in its matchup against omniraptor
Of course dilo wins in a facetank against raptor, raptor isn't supposed to be using its bite as its main attack tool, that's why it can pounce

[quick talon]

So the devs aren't planning on going on a more realistic approach?
And how does dilo winning in a facetank against raptor seem balanced? They already have clones and if they play it safe at first and get a bite or two, they can just continuously bite at the raptor without any consequence + the damage from the clones and with the raptor having no way to escape since it's apparently, slower than the Dilo.

[eager socket]

^ + pack hunter it’s meant to hunt in groups so having it be 2 to pin a dilo which is abit bigger makes sense

[eager socket]

Very balanced they are completely different play styles

For one dilo can’t jump it’s less agile and only has its bites and venom vs omni bite and pounce

Now I could agree to a speed buff to omni so it’s faster than dilo but changing dilo in its current state won’t help omni be better

[urban flax]

No, realism was never the main point of the game
We're talking about a dilo that is venomous and a raptor that doesn't exist lol

Raptor has plenty of ways to avoid dilo, like getting to an elevated place or outmanoeuvering it
I also think it has more stamina

[eager socket]

Omni is underpowered rn due to bugs primarily

[eager socket]

If you don’t pounce you can out stam but the omni to dilo speed is a solid point of contention

[urban flax]

Omni still has a massive agility advantage

[quick talon]

I'm just saying that it doesn't seem fair for Dilos to be that tanky compared to Omnis, they have way better offensive abilities overall

[eager socket]

Can’t turn better and is more mobile due to jumping but they are slower than dilo

[urban flax]

Of course it can turn better
Dilo has slow turning

[eager socket]

Dilo is a completely different play style it’s completely fair

[quick talon]

You can't really catch or run away from Dilos

And id's say that's not unfair

[urban flax]

The issue is with how venom works, not with dilo's base stats

[eager socket]

You can 100% run away

Very easy to out manoeuvre

The issue is omni speed I will agree for a lighter Dino that’s supposed to specialize in endurance and agility it’s kinda slow and has the painfully fast stam drain

It and Utah are basically the same thing - feathers

[urban flax]

Utah isn't even in the game yet

From what we know it's gonna be a brawler, not an omni clone

[quick talon]

...bruh

are you actually?

[urban flax]

What's wrong with what I said ?

[quick talon]

Well, they didn't giver it feathers

[urban flax]

They did not give feathers to omni because it's not an utahraptor

[quick talon]

But the Omniraptor is actually based off the Utahraptor

[urban flax]

It is
But it's a fictional species
Utahraptor is planned as a different playable

And omni is kinda nothing like what a real utahraptor would look and behave like

[quick talon]

Well...then wouldn't they have to change Omni's base stats? It has very similar weight and size to the Utah

Or maybe it's just me idk

[urban flax]

Utah could be much bigger
But yeah they could reduce omni's weight by like 30% so it's not filled with lead anymore

[quick talon]

Omni's filled with lead?

[urban flax]

The highest believable estimate for Utah sits at around 750 kg

[urban flax]

It's the only way it could weigh so much for how scrawny it is

[quick talon]

Yup

[quick talon]

It's bigger than the Dilo in-game, and the dilo is 700kg while omni is 450kg

[urban flax]

The only reason omni ever weighed 500 kg is because they wanted it to be utahraptor, despite it not having either the size or the build for it

[quick talon]

And you say filled with lead

It's made out of sponge

[urban flax]

I'd need to see a side-by-side comparison of them

[quick talon]

And has plastic teeth

[urban flax]

what

[quick talon]

Maybe I'm tweaking, but I swear an adult Dilo is smaller then an adult Omni in-game

But if Omniraptor is supposed to be smaller, not comparable to the Utah, then all it needs is a little stamina buff and a working pounce and it should be all good.

[eager socket]

Na

They are shorter cuz of how they stand but dilo are far longer

[tame jetty]

Agreed @rich plinth we need counter to deino grab, no more free kills

[rich plinth]

granted this will just be extra upsetting when i play for 1,5 hour as a deino and find nobody to eat
then the first person i see dodges my ass and skips off into the sunset :')

but its like the most basic thing to do when u get jumped in the water, animals do it all the time so if its possible i think it should be implemented

[calm obsidian]

At the very least, the smaller and more agile dinosaurs like hypsi and troodon would realistically be able to pull it off. It might be a bit more difficult to make stego move quickly like that in game

[woven bane]

it should be reworked into a defensive brawler and not be so offensive

[eager socket]

@rich plinth I don’t think every Dino having dodge is fair but if they can jump I don’t see why they couldn’t have it where “if deino front dodge back” for them

[spare charm]

except their agility doesnt matter when theres 2 bites dead from x-hundred ghosts and dilos hit box is massive and they turn not much slower than raptor so pfft whatever dude

[eager socket]

@timid junco all for threads under them but threads for how many suggestions are made would be INSANELY MESSY

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
being vigilant isn't having every creature use a dryo-dodge just before the croc gets you. That's just a get out of jail free card, every creature can stop drinking on the spot, unlike with eating. There's no animation lock, so even the most sleep deprived diabloceratops can deny a kill

[limber hull]

the nimble stegosaurus aptly dodging the gator hurtling at it (it succeeded the quicktime event)

[coarse spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-dbz-goku-good-bye-bye-gif-5155252

[eager socket]

ah yes the super nibble dibble side stepping the deino

[limber hull]

of course

[eager socket]

https://tenor.com/view/football-game-battle-field-gif-16120943

[radiant nest]

nibble

[limber hull]

when i look at deino, i think that it needs to have a harder time getting food

[eager socket]

Live dibble cam

[limber hull]

clearly that's the route we need to take for deino balance

[eager socket]

Like I said if it jumps you could justify it to me but over all naaaa

@karmic echo that’s not how it works

If your small enough to get insta stunned it’s cuz your small af

It costs stam over time

And most things FG aren’t getting insta stunned

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @quick talon raptors don’t have a bigger model, dilos weight is fine. no need to nerf it so that raptors can have an easier time against them lol

#general-feedback message he dosen’t know🔥

[eager socket]

If anything omni needs a buff not others needing nerfs

And tbh the buff is mainly fixing pounces to not be so buggy

[simple prairie]

agreed

[woven bane]

idk about buffs it definitely needs some QOL though

[woeful latch]

last thing omni needs is a buff

[eager socket]

Ya if pounces where consistent and you weren’t warping through a Dino to pin your teammate it’d be amazing

[simple prairie]

yea if pounce got fixed i wouldn't really complain

its the main part of omni's kit but its buggy af

[eager socket]

The only part that’s ruins it is warp drive 1 through a whole Dino and pinning your friend who was mounted on the other side

[simple prairie]

i think once we get bigger dinos it might feel a bit better, hit boxes are just a bit awkward

its just that omni might be quite weak against bigger dinos

[eager socket]

Na it’s not size it’s just that pounce has gotten bugged due to changes as of late

[simple prairie]

oh i see i see

[eager socket]

Omni pounce used to be fine and they where highly played and something to be feared as a good group could pin even stegos now it’s just a lot of weird teleporting and hitboxes that got it all messed up

[simple prairie]

any idea what might of caused it?

i wish i played back when they were good, raptors have always had such a fun gameplay concept to me

[eager socket]

Just updates and changes causing some more desync that before making stuff phase through things they shouldn’t or not do what they’re supposed too

[simple prairie]

i see

[eager socket]

Over all a QoL update to fix omni pounce would sky rocket its playability and return it to its place as something to be fears in numbers

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
I went ahead and compared hypsi with a larger animal's camera placement

[empty anchor]

For suggested additions to overall gameplay should I make a separate message for each suggestion or one bulk message?
Because it looks like people vote so I feel like I should separate them but dont wanna spam/bury other peoples feedback

[coarse spruce]

Troodon does this right, the centre pivot of the camera sits a good distance above the dinosaur's torso. Not the case with hypsi

[woeful latch]

maybe you did change the camera angle accidentally?

i think “c” is a hotkey for that

[coarse spruce]

V

And no, I double checked just in case

[woeful latch]

nvm, i think it’s just me, i changed it to “c”💀

[woeful latch]

ok

[tame jetty]

Yeah. A player that WATCH the water its drinking. And React in time to click the key to dodge, should be rewarded for it.

There's still plenty of players that don't pay attention to water or 'believe its safe' and don't React in time.

But the ones reacting in time currently. Also struggle with having their dinosaur MOVE out of the way in time, so a dodge mechanic would be very nice so you rewarded for seeing and reacting in time

[woeful latch]

yeah. let’s cancel deinos main ability

i’m glad the devs will never listen to you.

[rich plinth]

its just an idea

[eager socket]

@empty anchor there is a elder system planned for something similar but based on how PvP works in the isle endless growing will destroy balancing

[empty anchor]

I gotta disagree.
-Unrealistic
-Could nerf ambush predators like deino into the ground

[eager socket]

Plus like grow speeds are way slower on here

[eager socket]

Deino already in the ground tbh

[empty anchor]

I dont literally mean endless, to godzilla sizes, just having your growth not literally stop at elder

If thats planned alr then thats good

[eager socket]

Ma the isle never been that kinda game

[woeful latch]

too op

[empty anchor]

A...survival game? Yes it is...

[eager socket]

A 8 ton allo would be insanely op

[woeful latch]

and this^

[eager socket]

My guy is lost in the sauce

[woeful latch]

i want 12t+ tenontosaurus

called shant

[empty anchor]

You actually think 0.1% or even 0.01% stat buffs and tiny slowed growing after elder is too OP?
Real creatures dont peak at full maturity and its not exactly easy to survive that long and I feel someone should be rewarded slightly for it.

We are talking single digit increases for hours of gameplay

[icy lion]

That's why there's peak elders

And even those will wither into frail elders, since that's the experience the game is going for

[eager socket]

The isle never been a infinite grow PvP game

[empty anchor]

Right so the goal is hyper realism with expected lifecycles not actually just to survive as long as possible etc?

[eager socket]

Survival yes but balanced that has limits

Ya of course there will be rewards for long life

Let’s just say there are scarier things than a FG Rex that one can seek to grasp

[empty anchor]

Like what lol, its one of the most common complaints I see from people who quit the game is that theres absolutely nothing to progress to once you mature rlly

[eager socket]

Snowy knows more than me

[icy lion]

Successfully dying of age is planned to increase the strength of your mutations from what we've heard thus far

The devs have also mentioned the idea of cosmetic unlocks in the past, but it hasn't been brought up recently so consider that to be on a shelf

[empty anchor]

Planned dying does suck a little bit to me personally, games Ive played before had elder caps witho no progression but people would still farm days as a point of pride/flex and having that sort of investment made the threat of dying more personal. But like you say I get thats the direction youre going in and at least theres a reward for it so I could live with that.

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message @empty anchor i dont mind the creatures getting bigger cosmeticly, but without stats.
Being big ect is really fun, and it would look cool and be something to try survive longer for. But it would've to be without the stats change ^^

[eager socket]

It ain’t finna be a short life

[empty anchor]

But then you have a bigger hitbox with zero benefit? That makes it optimal for pvp to repeat the cycle
Although maybe that could also better suit what theyre going for

[empty anchor]

Im aware

[eager socket]

Ya the difference is both beasts and path are more like Dino PvP games than survival tbh

They play a lot different than the isle so infinite growing works a lot better with they’re style

Plus everything is over all bigger in both games

[empty anchor]

I see theres A LOT of pushback around any sort of stat buffs, I thought people were a lot more casual about the pvp balance in this game 😂 theres hardly an in depth combat system...but thats just me, Im coming from a different background of games clearly

[eager socket]

Brother should look at the arguements in balance feedback

Split between average players and PvP sweats

[empty anchor]

Some of my other suggestions might go down a bit smoother, I just found this rlly cool from Bermuda and I like the idea of a Rex whos been around for an ingame year looking older and more developed than a freshly matured rex, I figured very very small size and stat growth was fair, I dont know why people keep bringing up weight? Are health and attack determined by weight in the game? I see lots of people asking for nerfs/buffs to attack and health separately so I dont see how that became a point, and like you say @eager socket "it wont be a short life" I was thinking very Isle balanced growth so it would be like 30-60-120 hours of gameplay to see noticable changes, I rlly dont see how thats unbalanced, it shouldnt be enough to win a 2v1 but a 1v1? Whats wrong with that, you wouldnt fight an elder as juve rex so its not unbalanced in my mind? Idk

[empty anchor]

😂 noted

[eager socket]

So health is based on weight and attack is biteforce

[icy lion]

Weight also determines what you can CC and what can CC you

[eager socket]

Cuz there are some sweats in this game that would play it super safe get insanely big and just start mass wiping servers

[eager socket]

This too

[empty anchor]

Gotcha, but people were throwing out some crazy weight numbers which is simply not what I said? I specifically said tiny increases like 0.01% or even single digit increases over the course of like an ingame week

[eager socket]

Any amount can drastically effect their combat ability in a game with combat like the isle envrima

[empty anchor]

100 hours of running away or playing at peak low hours?
And how are they gonna wipe if they cant win a 2v1? Even a 1v1 would still leave them very weak...and I specifically mentioned slower movement speed to blanace the extra hp and damage as they are getting older

[eager socket]

Every little weight especially with those that have CC ability’s

[empty anchor]

I think people are massively exaggerating what I said in their idea

[empty anchor]

Yeah CC is probably where itd make the biggest difference, in an ideal world I would just have this extra growth not affect that

[eager socket]

Think of something like deino

If a deino is smart bro could get to a point where even the smaller apex’s are susceptible to deino drag

That would be hell

Imagine spending 6+ hours to grow a 6+ ton for some deino that’s been alive for over 100 hours to yoink you

And mind you a deino can live a extremely long life if they want too

[empty anchor]

Like I said, in my ideal world how I envisioned it, it wouldnt affect things in that way
Its entirely possible to do but I understand it might be annoying to implement and Snowy hinted theres smthn planned for elder progression already which is alright Ig

[eager socket]

As soon as your FG anything less than another deino or group isn’t touching you

[eager socket]

It’s just that the new version of the isle has to much CC abilities that would make the balance super wonky

If this was legacy maybe it could work

[empty anchor]

But also Im getting conflicting messaging here
"We want it to be hyper realistic survival not purely PvP like the other games focus on"
"You cant change that it would unbalance PvP everyone needs to be exactly the same 1-10% bonus health is game breaking!"

[eager socket]

You can’t have a enjoyable survival game if balance in PvP isn’t considered

Especially when talking about something like Dino’s which vary is weight and style drastically

[empty anchor]

Yeah I know but Im saying Im getting responses that are both extremes.
"This is mega ultra realistic survival game!"
"This is mega balanced PvP focused game!"

[eager socket]

Well think of it this way in a realistic survival it’s fair that apex’s have a default advantage due to weight and power correct?

But in that same ball park all apex’s should have some way to combat each-other as they have similar but unique weight and power

And if one is super op it will clearly dominate the apex market

So to make sure other playable can be enjoyed they must be able to stand their ground against others in they’re punching weight

[empty anchor]

I dont think what I suggested is unbalanced at all and its definitely realistic and more rewarding for players, I think a majority of the casual playerbase might agree but if its not well recieved oh well, maybe my other suggestions will go down better this was the only thing affecting stats in any way and I fully intended it to require 20-60-100 hours for anything even remotely noticable. And even at the very max to be like 10% at best.

[eager socket]

The problem is it wouldn’t be worth it then so you either full send it or no send it on a system like that

And sense they already had a unique idea that hasn’t been done yet for elder system by change base now

[empty anchor]

Thats not a problem, its not about it being "worth it" for pvp, it was about having ANY sort of progression beyond elder yknow, growing slightly bigger and being slightly stronger than freshly grown rex for example, thats cool to me and very realistic and not unbalanced idk

[eager socket]

Plus I think you completely misjudge the isles casual player based most them don’t want to grow same thing that long he’ll most casuals don’t even grow apex’s

They wouldn’t care for the system imo

[eager socket]

Well that’s what the elder system is

You’d grow slightly bigger and slightly stronger plus would look different

For example Herrera weighs 100kg and got like 35 bite force

A elder might weigh 150 and have 45 making it a good bit stronger than a FG fresh adult

That’s kinda the idea I’ve gathered they are going for

[icy lion]

175kg

[eager socket]

Now
Mind you to get that elder stage you have to maintain a good diet will a adult

[icy lion]

But yea

[eager socket]

Dam bros thicccc

[icy lion]

Becoming a prime elder isn't a guarantee

[empty anchor]

Eh I guess, it was probably my most minor suggestion, I was thinking of different ways to add any sort of progression and increase player angagement with each other etc etc, I just saw that in Bermuda today and thought it was a rlly neat idea that I hadnt seen before, the idea of having multiple matured dinos be slightly different sizes still or a really old dino being just a bit more capable.

Nothing else Im gonna suggest involves stats but arguably could affect PvP and survival more, theyd be much bigger updates.

[icy lion]

We're not sure what the requirements are, but I can assume that diets and maybe travelling will be part of it

[eager socket]

You gotta realize path and Bermuda play COMPLETELY different to the isle thou

[empty anchor]

Okay thats good, thats one thing I was gonna suggest that I know not to now:

-Abilities + Small stat buffs as you grow or reach milestones like 10, 30, 50 kills or 100 miles travelled etc and they could make it so that you dont stop gaining progression at elder

My notes were more geared to universal games, Bermuda, PoT etc

[empty anchor]

I know dude

[eager socket]

Ngl those are pretty solid starts

[icy lion]

That's pretty much what the elder system is already trying to achieve, with the addition of making room for new growth in the server. The devs (and most players) don't like that servers eventually become stacked with tons and tons of fg creatures. Dying of age encourages going again and again, ensuring that there'll be dinos of all ages consistently in the server

[empty anchor]

Yeah I like all of that, sounds like its pretty much planned just worded differently

I think I offended people immediately by mentioning Bermuda and their 50x kaiju level growth and additional stats

[eager socket]

Yeah, comparing the isle to the PvP focused super grow games does not bode well

[empty anchor]

Yeah I thought it might but hoped Id explained it properly for people to understand what I meant, I really did mean like almost purely aesthetic and requiring lots of effort to get any real benefit that could befelt, Isle type balancing but the ideas for life cycle and Prime Edler's sound pretty solid alr

[eager socket]

Like I said most players wouldn’t care to spend months worth of time to grow one Dino bigger those margins, and the few that would, would demolish servers.

[empty anchor]

I did look at the devlog on steam before I joined to suggest things and nothing like that was listed so didnt know it was in works / being considered

[eager socket]

It’s planned but not gonna happen any time soon from what I’ve heard

Currently focus is output and survival systems to diversify gameplay loop

Make everything its own master kinda deal

That’s why people have animosity towards my bb Alberto cuz they say it’ll be a bigger allo and that’s it which is true heresy if you ask me

[icy lion]

Elders are in development

[eager socket]

We talking this year development or far later?

[icy lion]

Currently in development, maybe this year

[eager socket]

Mmm ok ok

Man I’m just waiting for some bigger carnis to drop

Me and teno players need to have words

[empty anchor]

Nature literally evolves the same thing multiple times sometimes 😂
Even if it were literally a bigger allo, it shouldnt be excluded sometimes things fufill the same hunting and environment niche

[empty anchor]

Yeah this is the other sort of thing I was gonna suggest

[eager socket]

I mean if it’s anything like legacy it’ll be more of a bigger sub Rex but we’ll have to wait and see

[empty anchor]

Actually just did a quick search and some of them were already suggested and got mass upvoted

[eager socket]

All I know is I shall sell my soul to the isle once Alberto drops

Awful, op or balanced Alberto is my bbg

(I’m from Alberta and it was the first skeleton I ever saw so I must now become one with it)

[woeful latch]

is this confirmed?👀

[eager socket]

Lots of suggestions lots

[woeful latch]

or you just guessing

[icy lion]

Herrerasaurus is currently 175kg in game

[woeful latch]

oh

i thought you were talking about elder

[eager socket]

It’s cuz my brain is small and I don’t memorize all the weights exactly

Whole numbers are easy enough

[icy lion]

I usually can't remember the speeds

But weights I've got down

[eager socket]

I don’t know the numbers of anything off the top of my head unless I’ve Litterally just grown one

[empty anchor]

Basically I was gonna suggest:

-Weather systems (floods that threaten to drown eggs and allow semiaquatics to push further inland, droughts that kill vegetation, forest fires started by lightning strikes maybe even so it would all encourage migrations and stop people staying at one goddamn lake 24/7)

-Season systems (Mainly winter and non winter to start with to change up the regions people move to, like going to lower more sheltered ground or forests where its a bit warmer and might have a bit more food for herbis)

-Territory systems (OG Wolf Quest had a system where you marked the territory around your nest and AI and players who walked in would alert you via smell and youd have to fight themn off to keep your land, would encourage more player engagement, giving both herbis and carnis more reasons to engage socially or pvp wise)

-Fleshing out the nesting system fully and letting smaller dinos steal eggs so theyre more survivable and not pure scavengers and could also allow AI to breed but cap their numbers and have their lifecycle be faster maybe

I checked and most of them were already suggested so Ill just leave em here

People voted very favourably already so Im sure devs are considering/aware

[eager socket]

I mean when more things drop and they inevitably change the map to accommodate all the playable styles a lot of things like territory will become natural

[icy lion]

Weather and temperature are planned, the devs are considering droughts that effect plant spawns etc. Egg stealing is currently in the game

You can steal eggs out of corpses if the dino was gestating them!

[eager socket]

^

oviraptor finna go hard

Especially with nesting grounds

[icy lion]

Forest fires aren't planned currently due to performance concerns

[eager socket]

Fair

Very graphically intensive

[empty anchor]

You say that but it would still be 10x cooler for it to be an actual system so you have something to do, already The Isle has had issues where people just dont really act that way unless theyre full roleplaying because hanging around the big lakes is just optimal and if thats where the meat is carnis also have to go there so theres hotspots and almost nobody anywhere else, having actual territory systems is just a bit more fullproof yknow

[eager socket]

Floods are planned thou? I swear I’ve heard them mentioned at some point

[empty anchor]

Graphic 😂 but nice

[empty anchor]

Yeah I thought the same

[eager socket]

True being able to scratch trees and mark territory as like omni or territorial stuff would be neet

[icy lion]

I think they're a maybe. Rising water would probably pair with droughts, but I remember hearing that true floods aren't on the table due to needing tons of assets for underwater plants

[eager socket]

Ye

Like floods where delta has no visible island or dam lake comes up to the paths kinda energy

[empty anchor]

For me its more about just giving players goals other than eat and drink and encourage player interactions
Maybe a big rex has claimed one of the best hunting spots so now you have extra reason to invade his territory because you need food or to take over, but you run the risk of the rex finding you if theres some kind of scent alert system within your territory

[eager socket]

Doesn’t block of mass portions of the map but creates more access for semi aquatics

[empty anchor]

And it would work super well with the prime elder stuff, making you move around more

[icy lion]

Yea the devs want a lot more of that too but we haven't heard anything super specific (that stuff tends to stay close to the chest until they're absolutely certain they want to add it)

EG Patrol Zones are planned to have more than just food spawns, making them an actual patrol for you to go check something out

[empty anchor]

Nice, that all sounds amazing then, I assume it could take a long time knowing this games history

But Im sure itll be so well polished when it is added

[icy lion]

Yea, just depends on where priorities have to lie in the interim

[eager socket]

I think biggest concern is probably getting out all the playables

The process has been rather slow

[icy lion]

I don't think they plan on releasing them all pre-1.0

[eager socket]

But they also are making entirely new systems for half of them

[icy lion]

Just the ones that allow for fundamental mechanics and good starting pieces for futher playables

[eager socket]

I don’t even wanna ask when 1.0 is planned it’ll hurt me

[icy lion]

(cama for other sauropods, maia for other hadrosaurs, diablo for other ceratopsians)

[empty anchor]

I personally think thats backwards, I know adding a new playable is hype for players and social media but it means people play for a week then stop again if theyre not a diehard player. The lack of depth and stuff to do is rlly what puts people off from all of the top dino games rn.

[eager socket]

Ya like pouncing, venom, pinning kinda stuff?

[icy lion]

There's no when other than when it's ready

[eager socket]

So we’ll probably see allo and Rex

[eager socket]

Agony

[empty anchor]

makes sense

Mechanics like that do add so much to the immersion and enjoyment/feel of the different dinos
Like being able to bury vs pounce and latch on or a different hunting style like little venomous nibbles lol

[eager socket]

Would it be fair to say we’ll see acro too as it’s doing some choking in its concept art?

[empty anchor]

When its purely just sprint and bite it boils down to "Why play anything other than rex?"

[icy lion]

Dunno! All that's certain in terms of "soon to be released" is rex, trike, austro, allo, kentro, and bary

Everything else is up in the air

[eager socket]

In legacy, the Raptors reign supreme

[empty anchor]

Utah empire lol

[eager socket]

Interesting

[eager socket]

You could tail ride anything

You could out stamina anything

[empty anchor]

Adding that back, there should be a stamina limit or way to shake them off for balance

[eager socket]

130 bites to kill Rex? Easy.

Legacy was all about knowing if you can press a and d faster than your opponent

Some Dino’s litterally couldn’t fight others cuz they’d lose the tail ride

Etc giga V Rex was a massive gamble cuz if Rex leg broke it’s all over

[empty anchor]

lol thats what I remember for PvP it was never mega in depth so seeing tryhard Isle pvp responses shocked me

[eager socket]

Let’s just put it this way in legacy. I both knew how to throw my bike an extra 10 feet in front of me and how to bite twice when running through someone.

[icy lion]

Bucking is in game

[empty anchor]

I love little details like tearing/bleeding/crunching/venom etc

[icy lion]

And pouncing costs stam for the raptors

[empty anchor]

good good thought it was

[eager socket]

So true

I appreciate the fact that bleed isn’t damage tic anymore

It’s a whole thing

To be honest, I just appreciate it because if you get a group of committed pterradons you can bleed anything to death

[icy lion]

Ptera doesn't deal bleed?

[eager socket]

Doesn’t it?

I swear it does

[icy lion]

Nope

[eager socket]

I did at one point

[empty anchor]

Yeah, a lot of stuff Ive played before is like really high potential and tonnes of awesome creatures, but the combat, day to day life etc is mega surface level. Like just run around and left click for flat damage. Its not BAD but its not GOOD either and always felt mega gamified, like a raptor in most games never stood a chance against anything bigger which just felt bad. Everyone would just play biggest for stats

[eager socket]

Tbh that’s fair

I know it did when envirma dropped

I swear I remember bleeding bb land crocs to death

[empty anchor]

Btw is there anything planned for like torpor?
Like ARK has troodons and their venom knocked things unconscious, in Isle I imagine itd be more like stamina drain or increasing stamina costs?

Little stuff like that giving smaller stuff little advantages is nice

[icy lion]

Not that we've heard, no

[empty anchor]

Ah well
I just love the idea of troodon packs, eyes glowing in the night little demonic ankle biters

They would be actually terrifying irl

[eager socket]

Trust me when I say this get 4 people with good comms watch Dopi troodon guide video to get a good idea on how venom works and what you need roughly guess how to kill stuff. And you’ll be able to take anything smaller than a Maia down

(Maia with healing perks out heals the damage it’s crazy)

[stark anvil]

As much as I would love to see my Hypsi back in the trees it turns out the real life version was mistaken for an arboreal dinosaur. Apparently they allowed the feet bones wrong and discovered later that it was built for high speed running.... So it might.
Just be by accident but the devs are actually correct

[icy lion]

Hypsi is planned to climb

[eager socket]

@untold lava you gotta fall pretty dam far to take anything real damage

Maybe don’t try pouncing on hill sides?

[eager socket]

Can’t wait to climb trees for the exclusive purpose of spitting in Herrera faces

[untold lava]

idk im playing omni rn and i fell like 3 feet and lost almost all my health when i was on full maybe it was a glitch but its happened a few times where i took a ton of damage from little bump on the map

[stark anvil]

I r l it was a speed demon not a tree demon

[eager socket]

More damage if your pouncing and go off

Etc don’t pounce on cliffs if your not 100 confident it will hit

[untold lava]

i wasnt pouncing

[eager socket]

Odd

Maybe you fell further than you realize

[icy lion]

@cosmic gorge The steam page will be updated when evrima becomes the main branch

[zealous violet]

#general-feedback message
Ngl, I think its cuz the servers cant handle many more people and if they update the trailer and whatnot, thatll bring more people in and cause things to crash.

[icy lion]

@proper rune They're bugged, the devs are looking into it

[eager socket]

Will legacy get discontinued? Or will it live on as its own thing once that happens?

[icy lion]

I don't think we're sure just yet

[eager socket]

Intriguing intriguing

[stark anvil]

In other Random Hypsi facts they have hands with five fingers including one opposable thumb to clutch their little game controllers

So better controller bindings would be welcome

[stark anvil]

Also Hypsi is Theorized to have had very good Night vision due to the size of its eyes ..unlike the creature that's almost blind when a humming birds shadow falls over it

[icy lion]

@foggy shale Please don't use the feedback channels to ask questions, and no, they can't

[foggy shale]

ok, sorry

[cosmic gorge]

That’s what I’m confused about lol isn’t it already your main branch?

[icy lion]

It's the branch that's being worked on. The main branch is the default version of the game, aka when you have no beta branch selected

[covert tiger]

@gentle roost if it's showing up as nutrients then it's safe to eat
Unless it's organs, those go bad v quickly

In fact sniffing and checking if it shows a rotten meat sign or nutrient sign is one way to tell whether something is truly rotten or not

[gentle roost]

well i just ate from a carno carcass that showed up as an s diet and it made me vomit so im not sure how true that is

[covert tiger]

Was it an organ? Were there multiple pieces on the ground?

[gentle roost]

straight from the body

[covert tiger]

Could have been a v bad coincidence where it became rotten in between you sniffing it and actually eating it
Has happened to me once or twice

[white elm]

#general-feedback message why do you want to make Omni better at hunting Herrera exactly? It already one shots it on ground

Omni doesn't need it at all

In fact that change would make Omni pretty much off limits for Herrera... when Omni is ON ITS DIET

[limber hull]

in the concept art, omni is shown clambering up trees to escape carnos

[pastel barn]

It encourages omni to actually predate herrera, and gives herras less of a safety net in trees
Herras have no threats in trees (which I know is mostly temporary until we get more climbers), but it shouldn't be the case
What I'm suggesting is only to allow it to climb short distances, to help hunts not end the moment a herra gets in a tree
Omni climb wouldn't stop a herra from jumping on omni (The main way herra hunts, herra doesnt run omnis down on the ground unless its already jumped on one)
Also, it feels unrealistic that omni can't already climb very short distances, considering the things its hands do when it pounces and generally goes about its life

[limber hull]

so it climbing really isnt off the table

[white elm]

Omni doesn't need it

It already has enough food sources

[pastel barn]

It shouldn't be able to climb as high as herra, only short distances up trees, maybe onto low hanging thick branches

[white elm]

Again it seems like this suggestion exists only to make Omni impossible for Herrera to hunt

[limber hull]

how does it make omni impossible tho

like genuinely i dont see how that causes that to be the case

[pastel barn]

If a herrera fails its jump on an omni its already most likely dead

[primal falcon]

herrera would still be able to hunt omni, given it can jump on them

[limber hull]

an ambush is still an ambush, regardless of if an omni can or cant climb

[white elm]

not exactly

I just don't see why Omni needs a buff rn

Having a point blank one shot ability on the ground AND being faster than Herrera is enough to make it a risky hunt

It doesn't also need to kill it in its domain

[primal falcon]

well, herrera also has a one shot ability

it should be all or nothing

[woeful latch]

wait what’s the problem with omni being able to climb?

[limber hull]

herrera can jump from one tree to another and the climbing omni has now just wasted a ton of stam for nothing, while the herrera is perfectly fine

[white elm]

It already has all the means to hunt Herrera effectively

[pastel barn]

This is actually a good point and could let herra switch the hunt onto it
If an omni wastes its stamina climbing a tree, herra could just jump on it once the omni gets down and cant run

[limber hull]

i honestly think omni hunting herrera would be pretty much the least useful part of it climbing

[woeful latch]

doesn’t mean it will be better climber than herrera

[primal falcon]

this wouldnt just see application in herrera hunting anyway, it could theoretically be used for an escape

[limber hull]

in fact, i'd be surprised if omni climb basically did much of anything to a competent herrera

[pastel barn]

It also further pushes Omni in being a generalist

[limber hull]

i'd argue omni climb would be far better for escaping certain threats or finding certain spaces to rest safely if injured

[woeful latch]

and omni is too big it won’t be able to get to the places herrera can get

it also won’t be able to climb other surfaces

and it won’t be able to jump from tree to tree like herrera does

[limber hull]

a super specialised climber like herrera would easily evade an omni, which compratively is clumsy, slow and inefficient while climbing

[white elm]

"The climb itself should be fairly quick"

[pastel barn]

I was suggesting a quick burst up a tree for a short distance (draining alot of stamina), but it being slow would be fine aswell, I think

really just some sort of short distance climb for omni

[primal falcon]

a quick but clumsy and costly burst seems reasonable

[limber hull]

i think that befits it, especially with the concept art

[white elm]

Is Herrera on Omni's diet?

[primal falcon]

yes, i believe so

but i may be mistaken

[pastel barn]

Uncertain
If it isn't, I'm also suggesting it gets added to its diet, of course

[limber hull]

yup

[white elm]

I just feel like pin is far too punishing of a mechanic for Omni to need this

[limber hull]

how is it going to pin while climbing

i honestly still dont see this ability as basically remotely useful in a hunt lmao

primarily better for finding a spot to heal, rest or escape

besides punishing overly cocky herreras, it dont got much going for it, and even then, that's on the herrera for that

not to mention adding more versatility to our small roster is always appreciated

because like

what does omni do that allo won't lmao

jump, i guess

[pastel barn]

That's part of the idea, besides it helping omni hunt herrera in close hunts
I've had a few hunts where a herra barely managed to get on a tree before I could grab it, a clamber up would have most likely allowed me to grab them
But I do see it mostly having a lot of other uses, now that I've thought about it

[limber hull]

versatility of extra movement is nothing to be scoffed at

[white elm]

If Herrera misses it either

gets run down and pinned because omni is faster than it
gets to a tree, jumps, and then dies because omni can jump as well
gets to a tree, climbs, gets bit by the omni because it can climb as well and then gets pinned

[limber hull]

okay then either

A: Don't miss
B: Don't target omnis who already know you're there or are out in the open plains
C: Have a plan of action for if you do miss

Like idk man if the ambush predator gets punished for attacking a creature without having an escape plan, that's on herrera tbh

Sure, I can run in a straight line as a dryo while a carno is chasing me but like, that's on me if I die

[white elm]

ah yea

[limber hull]

If a deino lunges a stego out of the water, then complains about dying to it, lol idk what to say

[white elm]

could be cool I guess

[limber hull]

Remember, an omni cannot use its climb to attack a herrera if the herrera is in its standard position. It's too high up, and even if omni doesn't run out of stamina, what's saving it from the fall it's about to take?

A herrera still controls the engagement as long as it remains hidden and patient

[white elm]

alright

sounds good, I'll upvote it

[sudden shell]

i would also think that a climbing omni might be an easy catch if it goes up the wrong tree

[lusty seal]

MieszankaStudencka nest channel idea is very good

[woven bane]

this isn’t just about herrera. last thing omni needs is another buff

[woven bane]

yea thats kinda the whole point of herrera, trees are supposed to be its safe haven. nerf its speed to make it more vulnerable on the ground instead, omnis will be able to hunt them easier that way

[gentle lichen]

@vital laurel that much to hitboxes. Watch me puking from a bite 5 km away 😅

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jr68JLwdlNMadnX3-?invite=cr-MSwxUDEsMTkyMTY4MjAs

[woven bane]

you took no dmg

[gentle lichen]

Yeah it was weird af. He made me puke but no damage at all

[normal shuttle]

Happened to me once as well, I was so weirded out because I took like no damage

Phantom status hits. My worst soulsborne nightmare is back but in the isle…

[floral canopy]

@primal falcon very very wise floodplain suggestion

so wise

[tame marsh]

Hello, do the wavy lines on the compass mean anything? I see that they originate from some sections of yellow line sometimes.

[sudden shell]

@woven bane
kissen said that herrera is getting a new type of latch, that might be it

im actually really glad you put the video with it because i honestly had no clue how the latch might work but that looks like how i would think it might

[woven bane]

hopefully

[sudden shell]

it makes me wonder what it might be if it isn't that though, got any ideas?

[waxen moss]

@pine bone A dev was working on it when streaming today

[sudden shell]

im watching it

[pine bone]

yeah i saw, the way it looks like and acts is uneccessary to the game

[waxen moss]

Same, btw Carno AI can actually fight an omni player, can't wait for it.

[limber hull]

oh god they're actually working on carno AI

i wish we could be free from this hell

[sudden shell]

at least no ai servers will get a few more players

[sudden shell]

@autumn bloom the servers are resetting

[zealous fern]

They should get the AI frogs working before releasing AI Carnos

[sudden shell]

there was a flying frog on stream earlier

[boreal briar]

@autumn bloom check the pins in #evrima-na for reset times in your time zone.

[zealous fern]

Oh that'll be good for Pteras

[golden horizon]

@eager socket I think a video would have been much better then you trying to explain what happened

[woven bane]

what, have i missed something

[fast terrace]

i dont see a use for this
if youre large enough to shake a tree youre large enough to eat something bigger

[woeful latch]

not about eating it, more about getting rid off

at least that’s what i think they wanted

and imo being able to shake them from small palm trees near the ponds they camp is very good, they will have to switch the tree and meanwhile you can drink some water

ofc it should not work if the tree is large enough for you to not be able to shake it

[lilac bolt]

should be ok if it's actually implemented well

[lilac bolt]

ai like carno, teno and a few others that are normally playables are being worked on rn

[woeful latch]

oh no not the teno ai

imo ai dinosaurs in general is a bad idea, it confuses

[golden horizon]

@bold oasis Ive heard they planned something for trex

[bold oasis]

Oh really? That’s very exciting

[lilac bolt]

eh it just depends how it's implemented could actually help with making the map feel more alive but stuff like teno showing up will be rare iirc

and anybody should be able tell ai compared to a player should be fine

[wooden agate]

i think the issue comes in how much food they give

[woeful latch]

i think it’s just better to increase the player cap, like 200+ on petits, the map feels so much more alive.

ai will give an illusion of activity, but it won’t be real players :(

[woven bane]

what’s the purpose of carno ai

#general-feedback message @solid ledge only dino that should be doing that is carno

[full pewter]

This is such a terrible idea imo

[solid ledge]

what about pachy and devil

[woeful latch]

why?

what about pachy, anky, teno, apexes?

[woven bane]

teno and pachy dosent need it, apexes like rex sure

[woeful latch]

yeah ssure xd

[lilac bolt]

pretty sure having stuff like that is to mainly fill the world and make it feel more alive

[lilac bolt]

I think it could be ok if they do it well and the ai isn't completely broken

[woven bane]

not a fan of dino AI especially carnivores one

[full pewter]

My problem isn’t whether or not it’ll function well, I just don’t wanna have to guess which are players and which are AI, I wanna know if I’m fighting another person or not

It’s also just a waste of dev time

[woeful latch]

i just don’t like ai dinos in general

[lilac bolt]

why would that matter in general? just fight the ai the same as you would a player?

[wooden agate]

i cant wait for ai tenos to have organs and be easy mode for growing large carnivores

[lilac bolt]

zanorak is the only one i think currently working on anything ai related it shouldn't take time out of any other devs time

[woven bane]

just give us small ai in sanctuaries, dino ai should have never been a thing

[wooden agate]

true and based

[lilac bolt]

zanorak said last night that they should be rare iirc so shouldn't be a huge food source or anything idk well see ig

[woven bane]

even then its eh

[lilac bolt]

why dino ai specifically?

[woven bane]

i remember megapacks of carnos being able to sustain themselves on ai early gateway

[lilac bolt]

hopefully the devs will learn from stuff that happened in the past to try and avoid it in the future

either way im not gonna be real hard on the idea of them being added till they are actually in game i'll get my opinion from that

[full pewter]

It’s not even about how hard the fight is, I just wanna fight something thats real, fighting AI is just fake

[full pewter]

We kinda got an idea of that with ai tenos in early gateway, they were an overly sustainable food source for carnivores, and their broadcasting made it annoying to find other teno players AS Teno, and them following you around as a teno was annoying

[lilac bolt]

thats fair yeah

[eager socket]

Unfortunately not everyone records everything

But your right

Ngl that stego scared the hell outa us we where bouta walk by and bro appeared from a bush

So I didn’t think to start recording

[red pier]

Yeah I'd definitely like to see dino ai. Especially if they behaved more like the actual animals than most players do and arnt too easy to catch. Big herds of ai gallis and other herbis or something would make the world feel a lot more alive. Plus as long as they aren't easy to catch the concept of separating one from the herd and chasing it down sounds like engaging carnivore gameplay imo

[hidden mist]

The problem is, we will probably never see accurately behaving dino AI, because it’s not a single player game (server powers join the topic), and it’s not a AAA-game (not so many resources). Creating a dino AI, that would have at least enough iq for path-finding in such sophisticated terrain is already a pretty big deal, and I doubt that we could have such one (as deer and boars still suffer to simply not bug out on a slope). And again, server powers. When you give them to AI, they are taken from players. So desync, ping and overall performance are going to be pretty poor for everything without artificial intelligence. So basically what I can imagine right now is only a Carno-sized boar, which would chase you till the end of your life in a straight line.

[red pier]

No disagreement about the potential harsh realities of actually trying to accomplish that implementation. It's one of those things that if they can pull off I think could be a really good addition to the game but if done poorly could certainly be problematic

That being said they don't need to actually just be functionally players with ai controllers. There are other ways of realizing these things especially around herd movement. That being said a lot easier said than done especially in a context of multiplayer servers like this

[hidden mist]

I wish they just focused more on a small AI implementation, like mice or grasshoppers that we have already seen in some devblogs. They would make juvies’ life so easier without being a can food for practically everyone, and honestly, seeing a bugged insect that forgot how to move due to a lag in pathfinding would probably never disappoint me, as seeing an AI-Teno just standing somewhere there miserably and dying to a Rex.

[hidden mist]

Well, time will show, and I’m praying for positive results x) As we see they are really keen on introducing yet another version of dino AI.

[boreal briar]

@finite pagoda I think it'd be nice to have the basics for stuff like wallowing, bleeding, night vision etc. It'd be better in a help menu than just tips in the loading screen.

But I feel like Dinos might change a bit too much for them to have info on their attacks. Maybe a blurb about the dinosaur and how they might play? (According to the Dev's opinion)
Unless it's just like, how to do attacks and alt attacks which would be for all dinosaurs. The info on what the dino is like would be cool for the spawn menu too.

[finite pagoda]

yes! i touched on that specifically. Its why giving exact numbers for things shouldnt be necessary (example: ceras buff around corpses %, the weight something has to be for deino to grab it)