general-feedback-discussion

[slim rampart]

@azure field I kinda agree that the map is too big for now but there is the fact that when they will add all of the other dinosaurs and higher player base in each server it will be a really good map. And people like the buildings, if you are having performance issues its not the devs fault.

[azure field]

They got perfomance issue to make more ai, you think they gonna make more dinosaurs and more player per server, you gonna need to wait

[slim rampart]

I know but it would take so much of their time trying to change the map when they could work and allo and T-rex and fix for the AI.

[indigo gulch]

AI is supposed to be resort to prevent starving, meanwhile grazing...

[dark sphinx]

Shhh you said too much herbs will hear us

[urban flax]

@gentle roost Let omni be the scrawny ugly inaccurate raptor JP fans want, we're getting more accurate raptors down the line
It's a fictional species anyway

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message I can see this working out if only to apply venom, and not be used to deal constant damage. As long as RMB remains at the top for dishing out damage

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
It's a shame
I kinda liked the idea of getting full stam after an hour of logout, but they had to ruin it in the end

[undone verge]

#general-feedback message

plz tell me what yall think

[urban flax]

pteranodons aren't birds

[undone verge]

bruh.. they both fly lol

[urban flax]

Planes aren't birds either, yet they fly

[undone verge]

they have radar.. so based on what youre saying, my pteranodon should get some War Thunder Radar??

[urban flax]

That is the weirdest jump to conclusions I've ever seen

[undone verge]

Yes

[icy lion]

@hallow surge If you're talking about diablo, it's a bug. Deino's the only one meant to have a group size of 2

[tall creek]

I literally can't see anything at night. Makes it to the point there's no gameplay. I just sit there for 15 minutes doing nothing.

[feral valve]

safe log, do something productive with your life, then go back

[tall creek]

I would, but then I'd lose my server spot. Plus, bit pointless to play a game where you can only play it for 15 minutes at a time or so.

[hard python]

stego nerf?

[analog sequoia]

no

[hard python]

y not

[analog sequoia]

cause you can just walk away from it and it caint catch you

[hard python]

but i wanna humble a stego

my life journey

[analog sequoia]

wait for the bigger carnis then i guess

[desert arch]

You can already

[hard python]

how?

[desert arch]

A deino can grab a stego thats swimming, dibble can stun it, omnis are great against it too, same for ceras and dilos

You just have to be skilled

[hard python]

writing that down for later

writing that down too

[analog sequoia]

he just did

[hard python]

writing it down in my brain

🧏‍♂️

[desert arch]

Killing stegos is by far the easiest with dibble, just get a buddy and you can 2v1 a stego with relative ease

[hard python]

bet

[valid zephyr]

the thing is meant to be apex level, or at least close to it.

no clue why it was added this early, but it's not meant to be casual food for small and low end mid tiers.

honestly shouldn't have been added till allo turned up imo.

[tame jetty]

@eager socket I've wanted that kind of map this whole time. It's perfect for The isle

[midnight heath]

@pastel barn I personally don't think they look too alike, their niches are also quite different if we go off the concept art. Sucho is also quite big, or at least in Legacy compared to Legacy Bary.

I'd be concerned that Irritator would just be small Spino.

Also Sucho seems to have a "pouch" in it's concept art, if Irritator got a laterally spreading lower jaw (as cool as that is) I fear that would be too alike to said pouch.

I'd love it if Irritator were just added on it's own, but I know that wouldn't happen.

[icy lion]

Not to mention that it is simply far, far, far too late to make that change

Bary is in the process of being animated and put into the game

[foggy field]

I love irritator, it lived where i live but the sugestion just make it EVEN MORE similar to sucho

[foggy field]

Sucho will still be much much larger them bary here

Around 5 tons id say

[midnight heath]

Irritator is for sure, one of the cooler spinosauridae but yeah, there's just a few issues with it replacing Bary.

[midnight heath]

I'm guessing 4.5 or so but yeah, around that ball park.

It could do it's wadering and not be lunged by a deino but still be up for grabs if it swam.

[foggy field]

Yeah

[white elm]

Additionally the concept art seems to show that Sucho is more terrestrial than Bary.

[midnight heath]

Yeah, Sucho being a wader-er and Bary being a diver it seems.

[foggy field]

I hope for sucho to be 5-5.5T to hold its on better on land

[midnight heath]

Preach

[hidden mist]

@ionic barn spawn codes for spawning near friends are planned and under development like right now iirc.

[ionic barn]

yipppeee thank you

[manic dragon]

do people cheat in this game? we just experienced a DILO heatseeking after my party members who were hidden and it seemed unlikely they knew where we were

[opal shoal]

Honestly from my thing I just want omnieraptor to be omnieraptor again... I am sure im not the only one that struggles with the combat... ever since cera got it's bite buff and carno has weird stuff omnie can't even fight normally. I also have always been bested by dilo too, the omnie also used to be something that the herbivores had to worry about when they were in groups. Now omnies just had become an annoying nussance no one is worried about.

[green panther]

we need a mod in our vc

@wintry whale excuse me, you heard us?

[tame jetty]

The omni, since legacy days, has always been a nussance

[desert arch]

Omni is not bad at all idk what to tell you, I play it a ton, probably the most balanced its been in a while

[vivid mason]

Omni is very good atm

[junior nymph]

Amazing feedback @torn bramble

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[opal shoal]

Well I been having issues with the combat, prob because either i'm not the best at it but the pouncing is glitched, sometimes it doesn't register when me or someone in my group has pounced another. Then there's the thing of dodging a carno and being 4 ft away from it when it literally registers you getting rammed. The cera bite literally drains all capability of continuing a hunt, a group of raptors can no longer hunt a small stego cause we get 1 shot, kinda hard to find food with the lack of A.I spread out in the entire map so i'ved starved to death multiple times. Dilos are also hard to hunt because as I said pouncing is sometimes glitched to where one of my group members literally froze mid pounce allowing the dilos to actually kill him because on his screen he was doing damage when he was just frozen in mid air. My list goes on

[desert arch]

Bugs are annoying yeah, but they shouldnt be factored in when it comes to balance, because, well, theyre bugs, theyre not meant to exist.
As for the rest, keep practicing fights either in survival or on a free admin server and youll get better one way or another.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1320058359168106526/omni_is_trash_fr_A_Clipchamppel_keszult.mp4?ex=6776b826&is=677566a6&hm=e215f2a74be5cfcf0c3c7c572de9b7060960ae43c9274c468534b4f1e1812624&

With enough practice omni can be very rewarding

[hollow mirage]

I wonder if people realize theres other servers than just official ones

[torn bramble]

Lol, i don't know what it was sent, but it was unintentional.
Edit: I opened my phone after watching youtube on the TV and i had the timer lol.

[icy lion]

@warm marsh Me telling you that there isn't a fix for your problem is "silence and an opinion [you] wouldn't be helped"?

Weird

[boreal briar]

@lusty seal It's pure speculation on my part, but I think that Herbivores will be easier to make Elders. Unless it has a requirement to fight or something, they're real easy to live a "good" life nutrition wise.

That might encourage more Herbivore play

[lusty seal]

You’ll still have less dinosaurs dinosaurs running around. Juvie dinosaurs are small and when you can’t see or hear something and they don’t effect you, they might as well not be there; the world is more empty.

[junior nymph]

@lusty seal one thing you are forgetting is no one will play them due to them being weak. (seen in dryo hypsi and even maia)

[warm marsh]

Who are you?

I reached out to someone else, Are you also an administrator or something?

[junior nymph]

Theres more than 1 admin...

[warm marsh]

I answered my own question. I thought you were another "player" or whatever. but if your opinion is to be taken seriously then yeah, you said yourself I couldn't be helped.

[junior nymph]

and they cant help from you being kicked from a queue

[warm marsh]

And there's more than 1 kind of admin

[junior nymph]

yepo

also @warm marsh its GOOD being in NA cause you know the servers are always full unlike AU where we got 0 clue if one day the servers just die

[icy lion]

You responded to me? #evrima-na message

[icy lion]

That's very different than us saying we wouldn't help

[lusty seal]

dryo and Hypsi are also small playables that don’t take up any space in the environment or really effect it.

[warm marsh]

Again, the person I reached out to did not respond. I had no idea who you were. Now that I see you have a community moderator/admin/whatever tag, it is of no consequence as you said yourself that there was likely nothing to be done. My frustration stems from the lack of preparedness for these situations. If you can't whitelist someone for immediate entry temporarily in circumstances like this, then my opinion remains negative. If you simply "won't" then that's just worse.

[icy lion]

You want the admins to manually, individually whitelist players so they can skip the queue?

[warm marsh]

I wanted a solution, and you, so far, have only suggested that there is none.

[hard python]

is it true that rex and trike are gonna be in community servers only?

[desert arch]

Devs said theyll try to make them work on officials, unofficial only is a last resort

[hard python]

oohh okok

2025 better go crazy for payables or im going to have a mental breakdown

[desert arch]

Kissen said rex, trike, allo and iirc austro only need QA and balance testing before being ready to release

[hard python]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-milk-melk-how-its-made-rage-gif-21314109

[stuck hedge]

that would truly be sad

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @vital laurel so your whole reasoning for herreras bleed to be nerfed is because you don’t like taking time to recover. man

“crazy strong” proceeds to explain how easy it is survive it

[woeful latch]

i’m gonna post it here since this chat is a lot more active lol.

is it just me or omnis bite speed is actually pretty good, especially for something that agile and fast.

i think the problem is not the omni, it’s other carnivores that can spam the bites a lot faster for no reason.

the dilo is the craziest example, its bite force is 85 and it bites like a machine gun, won’t be surprised if its dps is higher than the ceras lol

might be super controversial, but since herbivores are using stam for the attacks carnivores should use the stam as well, like 0.2 stam per bite or something and the damage should be slightly reduced when carnivore is out of stam

[urban flax]

I agree with all of this, especially bites costing stamina
I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't

It's not like they are a special kind of "weaker" attack or anything

[woeful latch]

yeah!

[queen mortar]

❌

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-breezy-cat-kill-first-gif-2386988295549093398

#general-feedback message is using terrain is a crime now?

[verbal spear]

anyone know how to fix a problem that makes it so you are unable to click any options on title screen

[junior nymph]

I think its more of having 0 counterplay

[woeful latch]

it’s not like they can stay in the mud forever

[junior nymph]

yeah but if its like a steg for example most things will be too scared to actually fight it therefor the steg could just hardlog

[woeful latch]

and mud is pretty rare, it’s not like every fight ends up with herbivore camping mud

i might say it’s pretty rare

[woeful latch]

hardlog means it will stay 5 minuets on the server, carnivores will kill it

[vital laurel]

How is sitting in a bush not easy?

It has very strong dmg, it doesn’t need bleed

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
Caustics

[woven bane]

yea it does have strong dmg but that depends on the height🤷‍♂️ you’re not always gonna get that max dmg so the bleed is there in case the prey survives. without the bleed people can just shift + W away

[woven bane]

you said its crazy strong and then you proceed to contradict yourself by saying that its nothing but an inconvenience

[vital laurel]

Not always=90% of the time

[vital laurel]

I should’ve mentioned I used the mutation where you can’t die from bleed when sitting, I’ve survived it a couple times without that too, it’s still very strong and is still also mostly a inconvenience and doesn’t fit herra as he can barely stalk anything

[woven bane]

no, most trees aren’t tall

[woven bane]

again, if you take away its bleed how is it meant to finish off its opponents

[vital laurel]

It has very much raw dmg, it can one shot a omni

[woven bane]

depends on the height, what if the omni survives

[vital laurel]

Highlands, north plains, south plains, south west rail all have extremely high positions where a lot of players are

[vital laurel]

Then you didn’t set up a good enough ambush?

Or you group up, how does it make sense for a herra to solo a omni most of the time

[woven bane]

that’s not how herrera works… you don’t choose where to ambush from it depends on where the players are

[vital laurel]

lol

[woven bane]

herrera is a solitary hunter, dosent work in groups

[vital laurel]

It has a max group size of 10💀💀

[vital laurel]

You can set up bait and there are plenty of spots where you can fall from a very high distance that are populated

[woven bane]

herreras can be easily spotted in palm trees at highland, north east plains isn’t popular and dosent have many trees, south plains only have trees in the jungle where no one goes

[woven bane]

bait? why hunt if i already have food lol. that’s not herreras playstyle

[woven bane]

strangely enough ye but dosent take away from the fact that its horrible in groups. most of the time you’ll accidentally kill your teammate while jumping

[vital laurel]

There are more places to ambush from than trees and the abundance of trees in highlands makes it hard to check every single one

[vital laurel]

Small amount of food turns into more food?

[woven bane]

nah i often see herreras in my peripheral vision. camera has a wide field of view

jumping something dosent always guarantee it’ll die. bleed comes in clutch for that

[tired quest]

once ai back to normal I think ppl will have less opinion about herrera
cause they won't get body camped everytime

[woeful latch]

herrera is funny.

was testing its damage earlier today. it jumped from the highest possible distance on my teno, it died but headshoted me.

so after the hit i just started running to see how much bleed it does.

i had full hunger, water, hp, stamina, 300% full diet and 15% bleed resistance mutation.

so the results are: 61% bleed before i started to heal.
and blue health, so it probably didn’t do a lot of damage.

[woven bane]

?

how

it can definitely do more unless they shadow nerfed it

[wintry cipher]

Full diet and bleed resist mut does give like what, 25-30% bleed resist?

So what could have been fatal for someone with no diet and no mut running like a fool wasnt fatal for a "perfect" adult.

[urban flax]

@hardy vine Like... sanctuaries ?

[woeful latch]

i mean, i had all the bleed res buffs

[woeful latch]

yeah pretty much

[woven bane]

15% and your bleed is 61%. the other day i got pounced by a herrera as a cera and my bleed went below that

[wintry cipher]

Teno might also have very good base bleed resist

Would be interesting to see more

[woeful latch]

i also had perfect diet, full hunger and water. and and teno is heavier

[woven bane]

it has zero

[woeful latch]

yeah teno doesn’t have bleed res sadly

tho it’s not like it needs it

bleeding out the teno is already hard enough ahah

[wintry cipher]

Yeah lol

[woven bane]

i see

[woeful latch]

tho if you run you will bleed a lot

[wintry cipher]

Teno is 1.6k not 1.3k so

[woeful latch]

teno bleeds more than other dinos when it’s running

[woeful latch]

what was your bleed tho? when you got pounced

[wintry cipher]

How do you know it bleeds worse?

[woven bane]

full

[woeful latch]

what it was after the pounce?

like the moment it started to heal

[woven bane]

like 50% iirc

[woeful latch]

hmm not bad

considering cera has bleed res

[woven bane]

yes i ran a lot cuz i knew i wouldn’t bleed out

[woeful latch]

yeah, i see people standing steel or hiding in a nearby bush after the first pounce, it’s like the worst thing you can possibly do xd, it’s always better to run as far as you can so herrera won’t be able to pounce you again

[woven bane]

ye and then they complain when they die to it

[woeful latch]

yeah

#general-feedback message gastroliths drain your hunger 5 times faster

isn’t that enough?

[dark sphinx]

@jade latch It's also prevent people to drink with the mutation.. it's painfull

[jade latch]

yeah fr, and even if you look realistically it does NOT rain that often, and it’s more annoying cause sometimes there’s a glitch where you’ll hear the thunderstorm in the background when it’s not actually raining and the only option is to relog

[junior nymph]

@swift raft is that the velociraptor from that one encyclopedia

[swift raft]

Ive no idea actually, just found that pic online.. its a really cool image though, this playable would be soo cool!

[gentle roost]

god if i got a playable feathered velociraptor in the isle i would give the devs my life

thats all i could ever hope for and more

[icy lion]

Our velo isn't feathered, and hasn't been mentioned to be getting a remodel

The utahraptor will be, though

[gentle roost]

to be honest if it does come to evrima, it desperately needs a remodel because that legacy model is rough

[urban flax]

Please stop ruining everyone's day

[icy lion]

It's my job

[indigo gulch]

never thought I'd want someone to stop doing their job so well xD (this is a joke, dont take it seriously)

[green niche]

i am going to pretend that you are lying to us so that when it comes out fully feathered we will be super excited and happy

[icy lion]

Hey I'm hoping too but I gotta tell it how it is

Our weird green boi is charming though that's for sure

[green niche]

i live in hope

[gentle roost]

i like this idea

[boreal briar]

[swift raft]

Bro Troodon is addictive, but Feathered Velociraptor..with some Evrima TLC... yea.. doesnt get better

[coarse spruce]

Wish troodon was feathered

[swift raft]

Not gonna lie, Troodon Skin A is perfect pattern!

[faint folio]

@barren zephyr Afaik, Omni and Utah are planned to be 2 entirely different species/playables in game right now, with different mechanics. So I'm not sure if what you're suggesting would work.

However... This sounds like something that could be accomplished as a male/female difference, like how the male stego has rounded plates and the female stego has pointy plates. I think that sounds somewhat interesting too

[barren zephyr]

Ooo thats also a great idea

Yeah I was definitely misremembering then

I love the spino, especially the eyebrows LOL

[faint folio]

Hehe he has such a draconic vibe; it fits well with the "creature feature horror" vibes the Isle is going for

[pseudo dagger]

@lusty seal I actually really like that idea, the game would actually be fun if there were herds of herbies. And if carnis got one of them, the herd wouldn't all gang up on the carnis, but would run like they should.

[north quiver]

if people wanted to play quicker to grow but weaker herbis, they’d play dryo and hypsi

but you don’t see those except once a week if you’re lucky because it’s not fun to be whacked around by most things like a ping pong ball lol

one reason why it’s rare to come across pachies now

[gaunt mica]

TENON IS TO STRONG!!!!!

how is it not tho xD

[eager socket]

its simply not

well strong alot of things can beat it it comes down to who is stronger

/more skilled

[gaunt mica]

so actually not it beaats everything in its own weightclass its not good vs big ones but its a compleatly diffrent weight class

if u have to people of equel skill a tenon will never lose to cerato or carno

look at the DMG numbers so when u kick somone with tenon u get a free HS kick. thats 600 dmg which is half HP on carno or cerato 1 shot raptor dilo

[icy lion]

@smoky edge It's not semiaquatic, that's why it has poor swimming stam

[tired quest]

agreed with that, it should catch fish from little stream such like delta or river leading toward swamp, not from gaint river or lake

[smoky edge]

okay well why does a raptor have better swim speed and stam drain in water than a dino who ate fish alot

[latent olive]

what do you mean "who ate fish alot"

[smoky edge]

i thought that herreras used to eat fish

[latent olive]

well they might have, but during their time in the triassic, they were actually the apex predators of their ecosystem if i recall

the reason why theyre given the ability to dive was to "let them sneak towards seastacks and other pteranodon nesting areas"

also suits their more iguana-like lifestyle

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

god i wonder when people will realise that herrera isn't a semi-aquatic and is still an arboreal that occasionally can live near water

you jump in, grab a fish, get out of the water ASAP, and eat your fish

[primal falcon]

@normal steeple Herbivores have access to Hypervigilance, and I personally think the playables having different NV stats is enjoyable.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message why do ppl disagree with this

[normal steeple]

shouldn't be exclusive to a mutation, and that's what my suggestion is implying. irl, buffalos don't have great senses of sight so they compensate for great hearing. having good senses are often trade offs for other senses to be heightened. that isn't a present effect in this game for some reason which is why i said it's unfair.

[lusty seal]

Exactly and some older herbivores would defend.

[urban flax]

In this game, needing a herd to survive equals being unviable

How do players even become "older" and able to protect the others if you need someone bigger than you to protect yourself while you grow ?

[limber hull]

or if you're playing the herbivores which literally canrt run

hell, what do you do if faced with elder carnivores? the only defense you had was elder herbis, and elder carnis would simply just beat that

[frigid vault]

As a hypsi main, it's OK when you inevitably get eaten because of the fast grow times, nothing is lost. However hypsi and other small herbs need some form of utility other than being adorable, annoying, and food.

[woven bane]

its not op but could use some nerfs ngl

[limber hull]

if it could use some nerfs doesnt that mean its OP lol

unless we're talking just nerfing it for the fun of it, even though its balanced

[urban flax]

It's a herbi, of course it should be nerfed

[woven bane]

theres a difference between slightly overtuned and busted

[woven bane]

bro what

[limber hull]

you said overpowered, not slightly overtuned or busted lol

[woven bane]

i said its not OP just could use some small nerfs

[limber hull]

if its not OP, why does it need nerfs. If it isn't overpowered, then it's fine

I feel like we've lost the defenition of what overpowered acutally means

[woven bane]

by overpowered i meant busted. its overtuned

[woven bane]

maybe

u get what i mean though no need to keep arguing on this

[limber hull]

i'd honestly argue tenonto is pretty well balanced. Hell, on top of the shadow nerfs, it's already getting those nerfs, and especially while the monster that is cera still dominates the island

[woven bane]

another playable being overtuned dosent justify tenos state lmao

it recently got 2 buffs

[limber hull]

is teno's state really that good? genuinely think it's just versatile, i dont think its OP at all

teno has traditionally always been one of the game's best balanced animals

[woven bane]

it just needs its stamina to be increased on its attacks

[limber hull]

id personally prefer it didn't as an animal designed to combo

[woven bane]

average combo deals around 600-700. how would 1.5 or 2% stam increase change that

you need 2 combos at most to finish the job, why should it be able to spam it like there’s no tomorrow. it dosent need that many

[urban flax]

So many animals don't even need to use stam to deal damage, I feel it's unfair to balance some of them around not being able to attack anymore after a while

At least you can attack while out of stam now

[limber hull]

the ceratosaur in question

imagine needing to need stamina or a combo to do damage lmao

[woven bane]

ceras attack isn’t as spammable

[woven bane]

so should we reduce omnis and deinos stamina now

[limber hull]

its moreso. because it costs nothing

[woven bane]

if you are so carefree with your kicks then you deserve to die

[limber hull]

you can literally be fcarefree with your chargebites because they cost nothing

hold RMB, if they don't get close, charge again, if they do, hit em

repeat infinitely

[woven bane]

what does cera have to do with teno. what is this power creep lmao

[limber hull]

why nerf teno for things cerato does better lol

[woven bane]

then nerf cera

[woven bane]

this is a teno discussion why is cerato even relevant

multiple playables can be overtuned? impossible

[limber hull]

i dont even think teno is overtuned tho. it lacks any defensive statistics

it primarily relies on hitting you until you leave

[woven bane]

there is no consequences for spamming, god forbid you have to be careful with your movement and preserve your stamina

with the 2 recent buffs it had its more than fair

[limber hull]

Pachy’s attacks cost little to nothing. Same with Diablo, dryo, cerato, dilo, beipi, even Herrera. Why must we punish teno for this?

[woven bane]

pachy’s attack is extremely punishing to use, diablo dosent have nearly as fast dps as teno, dryos strongest attacks can only be used while stationary, dilo has a cool-down on its hallucinations, herreras attack hits one time and one time only, if you miss you can’t try again.

every playable has a drawback to it but ig teno shouldn’t because it’s an herbivore?

[green niche]

#general-feedback message
On this, on thoughts on how to give troodon something very unique (although as far as i can tell its decently popular?) is perhaps if a dino survives a troodon attack in which it reached stage 3 envenomation, that dinosaur will be less vulnerable to dilo venom in the future
(And just a pet peeve thing i want to mention: the video keeps on mentioning symbiotic relationships. There are actually four kinds of symbiotic relationship and the one they are referring to is mutualism. Symbiotic relation =/= mutualistic relationship)

[woven bane]

isle players the moment you want a reasonable nerf to an herbi (you are biased and you want them to be defenseless)

[green niche]

And to give beipis something cool: they can clean crocs teeth, giving them some food and the crocs a small buff

[urban flax]

We need to make bites cost stamina

[woven bane]

bites aren’t the strongest weapon in a carnivores kit. considering most have a cool-down on it anyway why?

teno is a whole different case, it deals immense bleed, dmg and it stuns which allows for a follow up free headshot

[urban flax]

Theyre are the strongest weapon in some carnivores kit
Now that it's possible to attack without stamina, there is absolutely 0 reason for bites to not cost stamina

They're an attack like any other

[woven bane]

they aren’t except for cerato. alt bites take stamina

[woven bane]

how much should they take

[urban flax]

Which is even more of a reason why normal bites not costing stamina makes absolutely no sense

[urban flax]

Depends on the bite's power
0.5/1% for weaker bites, 1.5/2% for stronger bites

[woven bane]

what do you consider stronger bites, something like carno

[urban flax]

And deino, and ptera, and dibble, and hypsi (who has no other attack lol)

[urban flax]

Cera, carno, ptera, omni, deino, and I think troodon has a pretty powerful bite for its size too

[woven bane]

so 2%, teno should be double that considering its power

this is not an eat grass and die moment

[urban flax]

Depends on which attack
But if all attacks, including bites, costed stam, then yeah, i'd be fine with increasing the stam cost of some other attacks

Double sounds much since teno has no option to deal damage without using stam

[woven bane]

5% on kicks,3.5% on tailslams and 4% on claw

[woven bane]

and what playable dosent with the universal nerf you are proposing LMAO

[desert arch]

Poor troodon is already stego levels of stamina inefficient, last thing it needs is the bites that are useless 99% of the time to cost stamina too

[woven bane]

nah but troodon is OP cuz uh teno

[urban flax]

None of them, that's the point of it
And that's why I want to keep the stam cost for bites low

But teno's bite is really not an option when it comes to fighting, wether it costs stam or not

[woven bane]

you said 2% for attacks such as carnos bite

[woven bane]

it is surprisingly. very good for chip dmg

[desert arch]

3 bites do more dmg than a tailslam

[urban flax]

Yes
That isn't a lot

[woven bane]

then tenos kick should be 5% or 4

double standards to think tenos stam is fine

[urban flax]

There was a time when tailslam was teno's strongest attack

[desert arch]

2 years ago yeah

Now its a measily 100dmg

[limber hull]

and teno can only attack with its strongest moves to animals directly behind it

yea, all of them have drawbacks

[woven bane]

i don’t get what you mean

can only hit stuff directly behind it?

[limber hull]

ya. backwards facing attacks

[woven bane]

ig we forgot the A and D keys exist for repositioning

[urban flax]

That's why it's called a drawback, not a "this attack cannot be used at all"

[woven bane]

it isn’t really a drawback

claiming teno can only hit dinos that are tailriding it is just a lie

[limber hull]

so all those other things are drawbacks but not teno's because it's teno's

is that what i claimed

because i dont think thats what i claimed

[woven bane]

it also comes with an advantage. it can attack without risking much. most dinos have their strongest attack in their critical spots

[woven bane]

yea

[limber hull]

strange how i claimed that without using those words at all

[woven bane]

“teno can only attack with its strongest move to opponents directly behind it”

[chilly ermine]

@winged sedge I watched your video. I really like the concept. The model you described has been used in board games. Small things that can make a 'big' impact. I could see some players complaining about mix packing happening but I think it encourages an actual eco system. At least it gives purpose to mix packing.

Something else that might be cool is if a couple of small payables that cause environmental impacts are around the same area for a time that it generates a patrol zone. Other animals joining that eco system.

[magic sapphire]

@elfin axle I would genuinely pay for an aggressively bright pink Tenonto skin

[elfin axle]

[limber hull]

i would genuinely pay to ensure no one gets an aggressively bright pink tenonto skin

[magic sapphire]

Well too bad, I'll just pay more than you

[limber hull]

i mean, im pretty sure you can pay unofficial servers to look like a sin against nature

or just play Beasts of Bermuda

[woeful latch]

alright, my prediction came true.

so like a week ago or something i was talking about maia being actually stronger than it should be and that it doesn’t need a buff and in fact it needs a nerf. the argument was that the playable is new and players didn’t figure out how to play as maia yet.

so yesterday i was playing on norden and i swear to god i was 1v1ing that maia as a teno and in 10 fights i won just twice while being super low on health.

some players figured out how to use maias quadrupedal drift and then quickly switch to biped, slow things like teno or cera have no chance to escape the shove+stomp combo.

i told you guys a while ago that maia should not be able to stun the teno or cera with its shove,
it will run around the map and just kill everything, since nothing can run away.

[wicked stump]

Can someone explain why having a map in the game would be a bad idea?

[midnight heath]

Bit arcade-y in my opinion, the map is well designed and players should be encouraged to explore/learn the map. It's part of the game.

[foggy field]

Except cerato charged bite

That has 0 punishiment and can just be spamed

[limber hull]

oh yea no that one clearly doesnt need one

its teno that's at fault

[white elm]

Make Cera charge bite cost stam easy

[foggy field]

And deals MORE damage them a tenos kick

[midnight heath]

A lot more DMG at that

[potent relic]

Anyone else feel the old enlarged meniscus was better?

Herrera's whole thing is jumping from trees. I would rather have less damage overall, and keep the higher fall threshold.

[limber hull]

relying on a mutation for that sounds counterintuitive

[woven bane]

again, justifying a playable being strong because uh “this one can do it aswell!”

[limber hull]

not what im doing

[woven bane]

you keep bringing cera up

as if it explains how teno is fine

[limber hull]

someone else brought up cera lol

[woven bane]

implications^

[limber hull]

its a joke lol

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @raven sky what nerf did herrera get? haven’t seen anything in the patchnotes

[raven sky]

I die when falling from the big trees in the jungle, that didn't happen before. And yeah it isn't said in the patch notes so I was surprised when that happened.

[hollow mirage]

The icon will change to let you know if you'll die
If its a broken bone just dont jump

[magic sapphire]

That's dumb though, having to limit your tree height like that

[urban flax]

Even herrera gotta take fall damage at some point

It's already incredibly lenient

[woven bane]

its fall dmg has never been a problem

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1324734251178000506
as an addition to this: you could add marula trees, the fruit of which can ferment after having fallen to the floor.

[winged sedge]

@chilly ermine
Thank you for the feedback 🙏
Yeah, I’ve heard the concerns about “encouraging mixpacking” but the way I see it, animals in nature develop relationships that benefit one another like…all the time. Honeyguides help honey badgers find food, sea anemones attach themselves to the backs of hermit crabs, protecting the crab while they get more food.

While I of course disagree with animals like Rex and Shant mix packing, as that should be punishable by law, in some cases, animals intermingling with others straight up improves the experience as it’s a new way for players to interact.

[junior nymph]

@queen geyser bruh its a CORPSE BULLY

[queen geyser]

bruh its not realistic lol

[junior nymph]

THE GAME IS NOT REALISTIC

carno 1.3T galli no feathers TROODON dont forget omni oh yeah and how stego can kill deino

its a game not reality I love dinosaurs genetically made on a island by a shady company realistic yes

dont forget the whole of the Mesozoic era getting PUSHED TOGETHER

[wintry cipher]

The game is realistic, not real. The animals also genetically enhanced (herra flinging itself off trees) and mechanically thats pretty much the only way to really do a honey badger niche. You get plenty of warning from just how loud ceratos get. Thats not simply to annoy you thats to warn and intimidate you to leave. Its not the ceras problem if you decide to suicide lol

[covert tiger]

Everything you said it how it should happen though
It would be very concerning if you won 5 out of 10 (or more) fights as a teno against a Maia, that would have just meant that Maia was nerfed too much
Teno winning 2 and Maia winning 8 makes sense

Maia has been nerfed significantly and is in a pretty good spot right now
I do think it needs attack animation speeds increase to make it a bit more fun and consistent tho

[woeful latch]

not really, maia should not be able to win those fights and the reason is very simple. if maia can easily shove+stomp combo teno, cera, pachy that means in theory nothing can stop it from just running around and killing things.

[gaunt mica]

@limber hull you should join a deathmatch server youll see how truely unfair a tenon is vs a cerato or carno ofc it wont beat stego and dibble but it never fights them is faster and only lose to dibble atleast cus it cant cc it

like for cerato its easier to win vs a dibble then a Tenon in a 1v1 that says a bit

[covert tiger]

Not true
There's a skill factor here and teno/cera can dodge and fight back pretty well but yes they will likely lose a prolonged 1v1 if caught alone and the Maia is skilled

Except for pachy, yeah that thing is just in a miserable state but that's not a Maia problem - everything can bully pachy

@woeful latch

[gaunt mica]

yes there is a skill factor but if two people are of equal skill its very clear tenon is better

[woeful latch]

not really, there’s nothing teno can do against the skilled maia.
maia basically ignores its kicks and just stun+stomp it, teno being pretty long and slow having hard time dodging attacks.

and this is 1v1, in 2v1 teno has no chances to escape or defend itself, same for the pachy and cera

[gaunt mica]

but heres the issue right cus people play survival. u will face somone really bad most of the time and the balancing is not really that visable. it will look like cerato wins even tho its clearly super favored to tenon, simply because of diffrence in skill level between HERBI ENJOYER and CARNIVORE TRYHARD

but yeah sure if u have 2 cerato ull probaly always win but then ago every time i play the herbivore packs are like max size like 6 tenons or smth and carnivores struggle way more with finding packs

if u wanna come unofficial EU norden server i can show u tenon and i dont even play it xD

[lucid mauve]

How come? You can easy outturn it, i mean carno is faster then all. But its not hard to get away from it because of turn

[covert tiger]

No, Maia is super fast and outruns teno easily
So yes a really skilled determined Maia can bully a teno if it wanted to
But it's a rare sight to be honest
Many herbis can do that to other herbis

[lucid mauve]

I mean carno was much faster then omni when it was big aswell, but it was just fun having a carno chasing you. Since no way he would catch you, cus of turn

[covert tiger]

That's still true right now tho
Carno is way faster than everything including omni but the bad turn radius allows ppl to dodge it

[gaunt mica]

Carno is so bad RN 😦

[covert tiger]

They need to buff its size and health back up to 1.8 really, then it'll be fine

[gaunt mica]

THANK YOU ESBI ❤️

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i have not played maia tho. Just watched it, but if it agile and fast. Yea that can be a prob. But maia looks really bad, sluggish and slow in attacks etc

[gaunt mica]

needed to be said

[covert tiger]

But no other changes
Do not touch it's damage or charge or bleed resistance etc

[covert tiger]

I wouldn't say its bad
3.8ton and insane speed? That's a pretty good package
So of course it's weak and slow in combat/agility
Good Maia players can still get their attacks in
But if you try to play like other dinos just spamming attacks in a predictable manner, then yeah ppl will dodge easily

[gaunt mica]

hmm make it broken >:)

[lucid mauve]

Yea but teno is small atleast dilo/omni. Maia should be a nightmare for them, it also looks like it has very weak dmg. Cus maia will be horrible vs the bigger mid tiers. With slow attacks and dmg.

I do agree that it cant just oh look a dilo, let me destroy it. It need something that you cant just simply run everything down.

[woeful latch]

you cant, sadly
and carno has like the best drift in the game so if it knows how to use it it will catch you

+desync is terrible sometimes

[gaunt mica]

i think the biggest issue with the isle is disynch

[lucid mauve]

I mean in the open, yea carno should destroy you if you are something small. But not if you run into some dense area

[gaunt mica]

cus when u spend hours into growing a dino and the outcome of a fight is if u lagg or not its not really nice

[covert tiger]

Why would it be horrible? You keep trying to imagine a 1v1 fight scenario.
Unless it's an ambush/trap, there is no mid tier or apex who will catch up to it

As for the small tiers, they still get 2 shot or 3 shot by Maia which is slightly less than dibble damage. So it's damage is not weak towards small tiers.

[woeful latch]

yeah thats for sure

[lucid mauve]

Yea 1v1, its should def be a nightmare fighting something that big. And if something that big hits you, it should def hurt alot.

I play solo alot, but i should not be going around killing maias. That should need a pack

[gaunt mica]

maia is lowkey weak tho you gotta thing about pound for pound right. so a maya is 3.8 ton i think 2 dilos can easily take it down if they carefull. dilos (1400 kg)

but if u put dibble (3000 kg) 2 dilos (1700 kg) almost no chance

but then again desynch is big part of it

i feel like its really hard to balance this because you never really know how strong for example stego is because if lagg wasnt such a big part maybe people could dodge its attacks without dying to lagg

[woeful latch]

what? lmao

[gaunt mica]

u cant pet up a omni raptor vs a trex its a 6 ton diffrence there is no place in history a raptor would ever win in a 1v1 basically

what im saying is there are diffrent weight classes but if they ought to be balanced it should be something like 3 raptors vs 1 carno is a fair fight can go either way cus they are same amount of weight

but here i might be wrong tho cus they also specialize in diffrent things in this game right so for example carno is good vs small cerato is good vs some bigger animals

but RN for some reason Cerato is better vs small and big animals than carno a carno can barely beat 2 raptors

ANYWAYS i dont think the main isssue is balancing i think the best thing to fix would actually be laggy servers and Desynch

[woeful latch]

funny_stego_desync.mp4

[gaunt mica]

yeah xD luckily i was only baby but it still explains why everyone avoid fighting stego

[woeful latch]

xd

[grim osprey]

I am still confused - is there no respawn rate for AI at ALL?

On such a big map, this seems like mandatory, up there with lag or desync issues.

[zealous fern]

It seems to me that respawns basically don't happen except after server resets.

That's the only time I've seen animals other than the occasional boar or goat, which seem to spawn more consistently (or die less)

[barren zephyr]

wasnt broken or lag you just didnt see that .22 smitty he had tucked on his side he jelly'd yo smoogle on gremlin

[grim osprey]

If this is true then I'm in shock XD why is this not solved, I am genuinely curious - there must be a reason it is not in place already

[wintry cipher]

Devs went on break on Christmas and the Hordetest had AI working fine. Just wait for next week when they are back. Its just an unlucky patch for timing tbh.

they spawn; they just run away before you can get close enough to see them, rinse and repeat- you starve to death, they despawn, then spawn again and yell so you run but they run before you can find them, yada yada

[zealous fern]

I'd think this were the case except for crabs. I've sat on the beach resting for 10+ minutes as a ptera like a dozen times in the last few days and the only time I've seen any crabs or turtles is right after the reset.

[wintry cipher]

Might be diff for those yeah

Ive been able to forage for compis and crabs fine on galli and beipi so its def something with the "free moving" AI

[grim osprey]

Oh, so there is respawn but not working on this patch. On hordetest they work better, no starving?

[wintry cipher]

When Hordetest was active close to 4 weeks ago before the most recent patch things were working fine. Unfortunately AI breaking was a bug that came with the patch change. I dont think the Hordetest servers are any better atm as its the version thats the problem

[boreal briar]

Wait you've seen crabs?! I've literally never seen one on Gateway unless a Beipi or whatever digs them up

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
@winged sedge
i have nothing but praise, those are some decent ideas that could be played around with a bit

[magic sapphire]

@pale venture I think while your idea for the quetzal is definitely interesting, and I know fun gameplay is more important than realism, the clamping mechanic you proposed I feel like is just too unrealistic. IRL, as far as I know Quetzal wouldn't have been able to even snatch a 70-80 kg human, due to their bones being so incredibly fragile that that bit of weight could already shatter their spine and neck. As far as we know, they mostly lived on a diet of fish and occasionally scavenged dino carcasses when given the chance. So when the Quetzal comes out, hopefully there will be a lot more AI and aquatic wildlife to help actually make a build like that not completely impossible

Again, great idea overall, but I think dinos should stay in their natural lane for the most part

[zealous fern]

I'm telling you, go log off on the beach right before a reset and come back to a smorgasbord. West Coast mud flats

[lilac bolt]

@bleak bison juvie maias probably

Just because it's on it's diet list doesn't mean it has to kill it at it's adult stage yknow

[woven bane]

i don’t think so, maia gains weight pretty quickly + why remove dilo from its diet

[woeful latch]

if something is on diet doesn’t mean its on diet ONLY when it’s fg, juvies and sub maias are an easy prey for the carno

[lilac bolt]

idk why they decided to remove dilo from it's diet it's weird

[woeful latch]

even tho the dilo is not on diet you can still eat its organs

[hasty fractal]

Then there is no reason to remove dilo Like you disaageree my feedback xD

[woeful latch]

yes, i don’t like carnivores hunting each other

[lilac bolt]

yeah that's true

[hasty fractal]

No one cares about your opinion, keep it up.

[sudden shell]

i care

[woeful latch]

🥹❤️‍🩹

[lilac bolt]

yeah preferably it'd be better to have more herbivores be hunted by carnivores through the diet system but oh well

[icy lion]

Afaik the plan is for carnivore diets to primarily consist of herbivores. It'll feel wonky until we get more of the roster though

[woeful latch]

yes

[sudden shell]

what does afaik mean? ive never seen it before

[icy lion]

as far as i know

[woeful latch]

as far as i know

oh you were faster than me..

[sudden shell]

ill be using that

[bleak bison]

I guess but what’s the point when it’s mostly unviable

[sudden shell]

i'd rather people know that im only speaking with the context of the info i have

[lilac bolt]

Just more options ig

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
Good god, Maia as diet? No way in hell can it actually hunt that thing consistently

[bleak bison]

Why remove a more viable one tho

[lilac bolt]

idk

[coarse spruce]

I think even Teno is a reach

[lilac bolt]

as an adult yeah when they're smaller and weaker I think it should be possible

[woeful latch]

you can still eat organs tho,
and they want to remove carnivores from each others diet

[lilac bolt]

which makes sense that generally speaking carnivores should mainly hunt herbivores

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message besides more oxygen and faster swim speed good feedback

[boreal briar]

~~My bet is they are trying to balance out Carno by limiting its diets. Lets be real, they're basically small trains running around ~~
They Maia is a good diet for it right now since it can probably kill them quite easily when they're younger.

They've had a limited lines diet for quite some time now, and they haven't had Goat on it for ages. So yeah, I'm guessing it's about balance as much as "what makes sense"

Man I'm dumb, I thought that message was in relation to Carno not Quetz lmao

[coarse spruce]

You FOOL

You NINCOMPOOP

[boreal briar]

Lmao

@nova sparrow It's already got a jump boost that's pretty nutty. It's also (apparently) going to be getting climbing

[sudden shell]

dont feel bad, at first i thought they were talking about cerato

[nova sparrow]

that would help.... i just played it for the first time, and maybe it was cause i was a baby... but it felt like it's jump hight was like 1 foot

[sudden shell]

its jump as a baby is awful

[boreal briar]

It gets better as it grows, are you holding space until the tail is all the way up too?

[nova sparrow]

Good to know it gets better as it grows... i just felt like with the wings it has.... it should be able to gain some height in an emergency like IRL chickens

[nova sparrow]

I was not... i didnt know u could hold it

[boreal briar]

Honestly it's kind of underwhelming for a dinosaur, it originally didn't even have growth, it spawned at 100 and was just used to spit at people to annoy them xD
The climbing will make them a lot more interesting for players I feel

[woven bane]

you can. hypsi has a charged jump

[nova sparrow]

climbing will help for sure..... it is certainly underwhelming... i'm not sure what else could help it..... maybe a gliding mechanic so when you do jump you can slow-fall for a good distance.... I feel like some of the smaller dinos like this could use some sort of "emergency" dodge mechanic... where if you hold a specific button.... u automatically jump/dodge when something gets close.... like an alt-dodge instead of an alt-attack

[wintry cipher]

Hypsi does well mostly in the swamp. With timing and knowledge of the jumps you can hop between the platforms to stay out of reach of predators and blind them, then flee. Its by no means the most powerful dino but it does have the means to survive and do well in certain areas.

[nova sparrow]

i haven't played long so am still getting suprise ambushed by carnos from 20 feet before I can react, making the spit basically useless... so maybe it just takes practice

[boreal briar]

Mh, well it will have climbing, spit and a super jump after it gets climb. I think that would make it interesting enough to see them more often. In the end "weak" dinosaurs probably will only get played as a niche. And yeah I'm awful at the spit too

[wintry cipher]

The spit is much closer range than youd think. The line glows gold when you will hit.

[boreal briar]

It's one of the earlier dinosaurs released for Evrima so I'm betting it's gunna get some love when the climbing comes in

[wintry cipher]

Lemme find a video of my fightibg with hypsi and that might help show the range

[nova sparrow]

climbing will make it super fun yeah

[wintry cipher]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jn32q9Itb2X92rHK9?invite=cr-MSx3NGYsMjM4Njc2NjkxLA

This might give a good idea of the range because i spat like crazy thinking it would hit at first

But yeah hypsi climbing would be great. I just slightly worry its limbs dont really fit well for that because its forearms are so tiny

Sad bit is its spit is really only useful offensively not defensively. Good luck using it to hit a troodon zooming at lightspeed and getting away before it kills you; but i might actually suggest hypsi get the hitbox on its tail removed because then your just biting feathers like in the art

[bleak bison]

So why remove a viable option to a none viable one when we can still eat organs? It doesn’t make sense to make the change and carnivores will have to eat each other they’re the majority of the player base

[ionic anvil]

Tried pteranadon for the first time, and the stupid birds that attack you is some of the dumbest game design ive ever seen

[boreal briar]

Don't worry, more of a bug than an intentional design XD

Playing Ptera right now is basically impossible with how they instantly attack after you get a fish. No real way to avoid them either, though you can manage to eat the fish sometimes.

[wintry cipher]

Dive underwater immediately to make the pteros despawn. Its not pretty but its a workaround until the devs come back next week.

[boreal briar]

aaah smart, I will try that if I play Ptera before they're fixed/disabled

[turbid trellis]

So people dont want better hitboxes or is it just Carno mains that disliked?

[woeful latch]

no, it’s not the hitbox, it’s desync

i tested carnos hitboxes many times

[turbid trellis]

Its defo hitboxes aswell as its way too consistent for it to be desync

[woeful latch]

here’s an example #isle-discussion message

[turbid trellis]

The hitboxes for nearly everything in this game are terrible, not just the Carnos

[woeful latch]

it’s desync, trust me, i tested all that

[turbid trellis]

I'm sorry but I just have to disagree. With it being as consistent as it is as well as playing with more than 1 dino it's too consistent to be desync. If it is desync then that issue needs to be looked at and they need to find a solution as to why it happens so much

Either way, it's making the game really unfun to play, especially with the lack of food for carnivores being thrown into the mix too

[woeful latch]

yeah, they’re on it, they will fix desync at some point, the hitboxes are fine tho

[turbid trellis]

'At some point' is what worries me

[boreal briar]

Honestly, it is desync even if it doesn't look like it. Apparently UE doesn't have the best networking for multiplayer games, so even with the 110 players it seems to chug a wee bit

UE is making an update to (hopefully) support up to 200 without issues

[woeful latch]

i mean the game is in early access, expect bugs and stuff

[woeful latch]

yeah, UE sucks.

[woeful latch]

HOPEFULLY

[turbid trellis]

BUT, its technically not early access as the games actually been out since like 2015, it's just the Evrima side is EA because the old game was abandoned right?

[boreal briar]

No, it's EA. The steam page is still EA.

The legacy was abandonned yes, I THINK because the engine change was needed to actually get the game they envisioned? Not sure on that one. But, yeah Evrima has been developed for a few years now and it's the Beta version of the Early Access game

[woeful latch]

pretty much yeah

evrima is not as old as people think it is

[boreal briar]

A lot of holdouts would probably still get upset if Legacy was removed x)

I heard that they are moving Evrima to the main branch when the dinosaur gameplay loop is finished? Or the Human I can't recall. Dunno if that means it leaves EA

[woeful latch]

it’s actually relatively new game

[turbid trellis]

Thats what I mean, if they had continued working on Legacy it would be more finished, but because they decided to rebuild the game on a new engine, it still classes as EA

[woeful latch]

legacy was super bad tbh, we would never have the game we have right now

[boreal briar]

Mh, more like it would have died and they would make a new game? Instead they just stopped, they couldn't get what they wanted out of it. All the cool stuff like grabbing bodies, pouncing, spit, climbing, flying it was all started in Evrima

[woeful latch]

evrima is miles ahead from the other dino games

[turbid trellis]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of videos, hitboxes were awful from what I can see and the combat in general was janky as heck too

[boreal briar]

Yeah you just ran in circles biting tails, it was horrible.

[woeful latch]

i’m not sure if legacy was fixable

[turbid trellis]

Watched a lot of Rex gameplay, youd be hitting the enemy when it was still meters away from your head

[boreal briar]

I think it was a "take forever to fix this, or just scrap it and make it better rom the start" kinda deal

Plus noone had to rebuy

[turbid trellis]

Yeah, they did the right thing for sure but the desync should defo be a priority, especially for us newer players that dont know how to use/abuse certain game mechanics

[boreal briar]

Hopefully yeah. Honestly there's a lot of small things that are pretty brutal to deal with if you don't know how

[turbid trellis]

Yep, like sodding carnos being able to bite/headbut me despite being noway bloody near me... I dread fighting Carnos. Cant outrun them but everytime you try to out maneuver them, they still manage to hit you

[limber herald]

wrong feedback channel T^T

[covert tiger]

@sleek zephyr on what basis do you make the conclusion that devs don't communicate?
From my experience they're far more active on discord than any other dev in any other game I've played
Yes they're on vacation since a couple weeks and the game was left in a bugged state in terms of ai, so maybe that's why recently frustration levels have been built up but otherwise they're pretty good with sharing thoughts
A couple of the devs literally on vacation still came in chat and acknowledged that they'll look into the AI problem

[sudden shell]

this game has surprisingly active dev communications and i love it

[fair cosmos]

#general-feedback message

pretty sure it’s to encourage hunting players and bigger AI.

Leave the fish for the smaller deinos that aren’t big enough to do ambushes on substantial prey

[celest ridge]

Fish become a 24/7 job one maxed

Cant be dealing with that, got to go for bigger players

[pseudo dagger]

@quartz meteor When i think about it, i honestly agree.. maybe if the mutations were random (not chosen by the player) and the effects of the mutations would be only a fraction of what they are right now. It would make the game more fair, instaed of having to bite and herbi 2x the amount of times because of a single mut..

[tardy talon]

Why do people not hate random spawns?

[grim osprey]

makes you work for that hotspot I guess, but as long as you cannot find AI throughout the whole map, it is just frustrating.

I now simply jump off cliffs or drown unless it is a good spawn, as there is NO food for half of the day. You only get lucky if the server is freshly restarted.

[tardy talon]

Same

[glad briar]

Is it just me or is deino grab bugged

[indigo gulch]

It is

[alpine oasis]

#general-feedback message
@pale venture this is NOT what devs want quetz to be at all my friend

its meant to be an actual apex

also more damage based, idk about bleed but its for sure impaling you to kill you, no bleed mentioned

[pale venture]

i would say upper-mid tier maximum

[alpine oasis]

apex

this thing can one shot your galli mostly

this is bigger than a T rex in size, also the literal apex of the sky

[pale venture]

bigger in size doesnt mean bigger in weight

[alpine oasis]

im aware, ur weight is probably valid

[pale venture]

i was debating between 1000-500kg

[alpine oasis]

im not trying to force my personal theory here
im just saying, ur making quetz a mid tier, devs intend it as an apex

[alpine oasis]

personally, id hope for 750, or more maybe

[pale venture]

okay, how will its biteforce fit into the weight then

[alpine oasis]

its bite force will not fit
its gonna be insanely high damage, im assuming the "clamp" is 300+

[pale venture]

it has a huge beak but i did research and it said that the beak provided weak biteforce

[alpine oasis]

the isle moment 🤷‍♂️

[pale venture]

my idea of the clamp wasnt to 1-2 shot some small tiers. i was trying to make it like deinos lunge, but instead of drowning your target, you fly in the air and drop it from the sky

[alpine oasis]

im really going with what kissen said, almost 1 shotting them dinos if they are galli size, is faster meal

[pale venture]

okay then its LMB should be 200-300+ and clamp should be 100 imo

but have slow dps

[alpine oasis]

def

[pale venture]

because 200-300 is absurd for 500-800kg

i mentioned the bleed because of piercing btw

[woeful latch]

i think the quetz is gonna be 1 - 1.5t, maybe even more

the thing is, weight is just hp it has nothing to do with an actual animal, just look at the 3t dibble or juvie maia weighting 1t

[pale venture]

sure, but a tanky bird would be very un-balanced. look at ptera, 99% of the time it can attack you (terrestrial animal) while you cant do anything to fight back (except if you can jump). what im saying is, since quetz is a flyer, it will obviously get more bites on you than you getting bites on it. so it wouldnt make sense for there to be a tanky flyer that will 100% get away with more attacks

[zealous fern]

I believe the quetz is estimated closer to 250kg even at the size of a giraffe

[woeful latch]

i expect it to be way less agile in the sky and it probably only ever be effective in plains, it won’t be able to chase you through the forest for example. and i think it would be nice to make the quetz like super terrestrial, so it doesn’t fly all the time so it can’t bully other dinos forever

[zealous fern]

I think it would be interesting as something that can snatch juveniles up like a snack, idk if it should have a ton of staying power. A slower growing ptera with more options for food at large sizes.

[pale venture]

i put that in my feedbackhttps://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1324817513673916426

[woeful latch]

yeah, but it’s the game so irl weight doesn’t matter, like if quetz gonna be 250 in evrima
single omni will be able to pin it to the ground

[quartz meteor]

Honestly that is a good way to do it. Or make it to where only second gen’s start the mutation process. It would entice more people to nest, and you would only get mutations if the eggs are public. Stopping people from mass producing op clan Dino’s, that they only give to their friends.

[pseudo dagger]

That is pretty good too.

[quartz meteor]

@wild glacier I agree, the sound traps add absolutely nothing of value to this game. You can’t even hear them unless you’re the one near the tree.

[tardy talon]

quetzalcoatlus should be able to grab herreras out of trees

[wild glacier]

that is what im saying

[chilly ermine]

I see a lot of people complaining about starving as a carni. Do these players know that most of the time if you go to a migration/patrol zone and wait something will spawn?

[barren zephyr]

@pine dock u can change ur skin

@marsh snow giving players the option to change the volume of weather is a bad idea. Players will just disable it to hear stuff around them better.

[junior nymph]

exactly

[tall geyser]

super late response but this is almost def where the perception comes from, a lot of us joined over/after christmas as well so the devs christmas/holidays break is all a lot of newbies have known haha

[valid zephyr]

@open belfry gotta be more than 3 mins. I often spend ages making a skin.

Sometimes up to 10 mins

(On BoB i'm sometimes making a skin for like 30 mins)

[open belfry]

uve pinged the wrong person i think

oh nvm

[valid zephyr]

?

[open belfry]

im just cooked

[valid zephyr]

💀

[open belfry]

ye idk, there should be kicked after x mins

[valid zephyr]

10 mins could be reasonable

[junior nymph]

@split thistle its not complete random spawn

[split thistle]

That much is obvious deinos only spawn completely randomly near water etc..., but I fixed it nonetheless

[junior nymph]

deinos only spawn swamp east lake wa and north lake

cera only spawns north jungle and south\

[split thistle]

I feel that is very irrelevant to my post

[junior nymph]

yeah but I felt like I had to say that

[split thistle]

You didn't i know where deinos spawn i have a pretty good idea where most other dinos can spawn it doesn't really clarify anything someone needed to know to understand my point either

[boreal briar]

@bronze socket that's a recipe for AFK growing if I ever heard one. Hunger while growing was boosted specifically to prevent this

[bronze socket]

simple fix make it only useable when the game registers night time

[boreal briar]

Yes but now everyone and their grandma will be AFKing night times instead of doing anything, not just the ones who cannot see well.
As for food, an herbivore can basically never starve to death. You'd have to be brand new, or have a broken E key to starve as something that can survive off grass.

[urban flax]

This message just gave me an epiphany hold on

[boreal briar]

@inland vigil plus it's cute as hell. I wanna squeak more than I wanna growl

[bronze socket]

because carnivores wouldn't hunt herbs put into a completely helpless state? a state where you can barely hear and have 0 vision.

[boreal briar]

What kind of herbivore is gonna be sleeping somewhere they can be seen? The only way they would get found is if they're randomly stumbled upon in bushes. People would start to hide as it gets dark then just sit immobile for the entire night. There'd be 0 incentive to move as a carnivore if everyone's sitting in a bush, it'd be better to sleep too.

[icy lion]

@vestal vapor That's why we have channel descriptions and pinned messages

[bronze socket]

this just sounds like they also need to fix there poor scent system

[boreal briar]

? Now it's the scent systems problem?

You want people to AFK grow, and have the scent system turn into ESP so they can just find people?

[main gyro]

can we get a toggle to make the turning with A always be counterclockwise and D always clockwise instead of it beiing based on the camera position, it makes looking around and flying as Ptera much more difficult

wait wrong channel oops

[bronze socket]

i litteraly never said that, you though clearly are a this game has no wrong kinda person.
but yes the scent system has problems the fact that nothing leaves scents behind anywhere is an issue this game has , as it stands is mostly a try not to starve because finding ai or even other players comes down to sheer luck. wanting to implement a system for sleeping so there is more of a risk reward isnt a bad thing YOU simply look at only the negatives to it, I completely understand design isnt something everyone is capable of grasping but to take my idea and simply throw "YoU wAnT tHiS AnD tHaT" shows you have no real desire for discorce on this matter you simply want to shut down things you think are "bad ideas"

[vestal vapor]

On mobile the description isn't very visable over 3 lines.

[boreal briar]

Trust me, there's plenty wrong with this game, I'm just saying your idea would turn night time into a pointless AFK simulator. As it stands with your feedback, it still basically says "I wanna sit still and grow, while not wasting my food or water at night." Even if you're blind, deaf, and immobile it's not much of a "risk" if you can just go into a secluded area, and sit in a bush with no actual repercussions. It just makes it even more boring, with even less engagement. Would you really want to sit at a black screen listening to your dino snore for 30 minutes every time night came?

[icy lion]

Tap it

[vestal vapor]

Thank you. I did figure it out after your previous message.

[celest ridge]

What a bizzare take, they didn't say anything like that.

[boreal briar]

@wintry cipher you can try doing something like double tapping the space bar on the downbeat of the wings. It helps a bit for stamina but it's definitely still brutal.

As for thermals, yeah it mostly would help with like.. fighting in the air or for long flights across the island

From what I heard, they were nerfed due to them being constantly used by mixpackers as UAVs :[ It's seemingly quite the challenge to get Ptera in a good spot while trying to avoid abuse like that

[wintry cipher]

having it have a lot of times it goes down is fine. its just when its stuck for excessive periods it gets bad. I did play during the times of the main "clans" in legacy so I know very well how they likely got used yeah 😂

if it goes down often, that means it loses line of sight, and that target is just gone

[bronze socket]

So first off, a lot of people do in fact just wait out night as herbi as not having vision can kill you
but no, giving people a buff for sleeping through the night, an innately dangerous thing would not turn it into an afk simulator this could be balanced through making sleeping to much a bad thing or capping the buff at only a certain amount of time asleep making it pointless to over sleep.
Couple this with a rework to the scent system making tracking people through scents they leave behind via diffrent actions (i.e staying in one spot causing you to saturate it in your scent) would actually add depth to the hunting relationship between herbis and carnis. BUT as it stand herbi life style is pretty much hide and try not to be seen if you are alone and if you are in a herd hope you can not get targeted and that your herd mates are good at combat while you grow and carni life is sheer dumb luck until you are full grown then it is hoping to find people who aren't just going to kill you because they too are hungry because the debuff for cannibalism is much less then dying.

[finite pagoda]

the scent system does feel like it needs a re-work. Its just too hard to follow tracks now, especially in dense brush. even blood is hard to follow in the brush

[barren zephyr]

@flat void oh man it's really starting to hit how hard this game must be to play when colorblind. Venom with troodon and dilo, being able to tell a dinos sex based on male patterns, seeing your own health, and so much more. I actually feel so terrible for people with colorblindness, I hope the devs make the game more accessable for ya!

sorry about the ping btw

[eager socket]

@fickle trout dam near every semi aquatic is gonna be significantly faster than deino and thus deino ain’t catching them. More semis won’t do anything to help deino live it’ll make it more frustrating knowing stuff is hanging in the water and you’ll just never catch them

[chilly ermine]

@sudden shell Why do you think it would be bad to have a few public non-mix pack servers?

[sudden shell]

mainly because the admins are already busy enough with the discord

other than that, i like the idea

[quick talon]

Aren't the spike-type signal waves getting tighter and tighter the lower your health is, as if the heart was beating faster and faster?

[quartz meteor]

The whole point of unofficials is there being no rules. They have unofficial servers for mix pack control. Not to mention it would potentially take away an official server slot.

[sudden shell]

you would think, but no. only the color matters when it comes to health

[quick talon]

Why not invent super medicine instead to prevent every condition such as color blindness, epilepsy etc. It would be a great update tbh

[boreal briar]

To have a server like that people would expect the admins to be available 24-7 for reports on just one server. I don't think they have enough admins for that, since the reports would probably be quite frequent. Even then people would whine about not having a server in their region with rules, or the queue times 😅

[junior nymph]

@misty cove i did not know there was no food in the isle

[flat void]

It’s definitely not the most enjoyable thing in the world haha. I make it but life could be made so much easier with colorblind assist.

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah. Well like I said health wouldn't be the only struggle

[chilly ermine]

@sudden shell Server admins and discord admins are separate roles so that doesn't really apply.

@quartz meteor I'm not sure where you read the whole point of officials (i'm assuming you meant that instead of what you typed) is that there aren't rules.

There are rules such as conduct, cheating, etc. in game. They can be found in pinned messages. So no, there isn't such a thing as "no rules" in official servers. This would be an additional rule on said server. It would not take away an official slot. It would still be an official slot so that argument doesn't make sense.

[sudden shell]

thyler said that they were very understaffed earlier, i dont think they could dedicate someone to watching everyone on a server for mixpacking.

[chilly ermine]

Perhaps, but I'll say this: If mix packing is one of the biggest complaints from the greater community that plays your game, It's probably best to find a solution for it. Allowing some trustworthy community volumteers doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to help cut down on unhappy people who have supported the game despite those issues.

[sudden shell]

thats an issue that should be solved by in-game mechanics, not by people actively watching.

also, the admins literally are trustworthy community volunteers. you essentially suggested to add more admins which is a problem they are having, not being able to.

[urban flax]

The trustworthy community volunteers are already server admins

Whoops I just repeated the same thing as the guy above

[sudden shell]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-thank-you-gif-4688221

[chilly ermine]

I never said they weren't. I'm saying there are plenty more people that qualify to admin for an in-production game.

[sudden shell]

yes, but the issue is that they are having trouble finding people who actually want to do it and fall under their guidelines

[icy lion]

Tell them to submit applications, then

[fleet gulch]

check my feedbackj

[sudden shell]

JC probably read it directly from an admin like i did
#evrima-na message

[latent olive]

@pine bone the last devblog before the horse test specifically told us what we were getting in the update

"I know everyone is excited for the next animal and the Maiasaura will be stomping over that line for testing very soon. It will also be in one of if not the first HordeTest for the next patch.

I don’t have additional information context for these but they’ll be there:
Spawn Codes.
Gastroliths.
Nesting Zones.
Replay Updates and Effects.

Godspeed and see you on The Isle.

• Don"

we havent got spawn codes or nesting zones yet sadly

[pine bone]

thats what i mean tho, why not say something like "maia is a dino that's suppoused to hit and run, and can change stances depening on if you want to turn fast or run fast" or "gastroliths are rocks you eat to make hunger drain faster BUT they last for a minute only so you need to keep eating them, AND it tells you youre consuming them when youre on the character tab menu!!" like is this too hard?

[latent olive]

there ARE shadownerfs/buffs though, you are correct about that

[pine bone]

they said nothing about the deino turn in water change, and needing to click/hold some button on herrera now to attack or not after you jump

[latent olive]

because the devs want you to learn these things ingame

though the deino turn is a bug that needs to be fixed, the devs are aware

tutorials ARE needed however

[pine bone]

never seen a bug this consistant in my life

[latent olive]

as well as more information in general

[latent olive]

yeah because its a result of adjusted animations when turning, the change wasnt slated/intentional

[pine bone]

ohh i see, still tho, every game on this planet posts change logs and everything they change in-game except for the isle

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
This probably requires recoding the whole entire game and I believe there are simpler fixes to these issues than server meshing.

[merry ore]

Maybe, but the benefits of sever meshing are very clear and beneficial, it's worth waiting for the Devs to work on a future system this way, the main reason we don't have severs with more than 100 players is because the cost increases dramatically and the amount of technical issues increase, Lag and other issues get worse with a larger amount of players on a single server as a whole.

.
There is another system that I presented and is less complex
(I did not suggest it in the suggestion channel)

There are some games that practice what I mentioned, it is called:

"buffer zone or synchronized transition zone"

There are two lines that separate two points of the server, when you are within the two lines, your character is not desynchronized from the previous server, allowing you to return, at the same time that the other server is starting the synchronization process.

(Your machine starts receiving data from both servers on a smaller scale)

Avoiding unnecessary loading, you will be teleported to another server without realizing it, as soon as you cross the second line, your character is fully synchronized with the other server, this would also prevent the person from disappearing during a fight, since both would be in the same area, receiving data from both servers.

[dry falcon]

It would be easier to just optimise the assets than to code this

They use 3rd party assets. Obviously they cannot work straight out of the box, it's just that the developers are prioritising in other things because the issue doesn't affect them. At least, from what I know

[vital laurel]

Server meshing isn’t something where you hit a button and it works, also players already don’t have to load the entire map cus you know LODs and as you said you’ll need to set up a lot of code and such on transitions between servers witch might lead to even more lag in some areas and you’ll have 2 or 3 or 4 times the reliability issues and cost of running all those machines

Sure you can run cheaper hardware times the amount of servers but buying 2-4 decent servers instead of one super strong might not be worth it

Also if devs had it in their plans they would’ve set up mechanics and such to work with it from the beginning but they’ve never mentioned it

[eager socket]

Ah yes server meshing everyone would enjoy loading everything in as they shift server and dying to a invisible Dino as you enter and they see you before you see them

Not fiveM wouldn’t work

Plus you’d have way to many people in certain zones as others go completely unused

[indigo gulch]

@chilly ermine the only reasons I disagree with your suggestion is simply because 1: They don’t have the admins for that.
2: The current admins are volunteers so you can’t force them to do that.
3: You’d have to actively hire them as a real job.
4: I don’t think it would be a good idea to invest money in that during development of the game. Maybe when it’s out, but not rn

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @fallen sky an ambush predator being as loud as a cera, dosen’t make sense

[fallen sky]

Even an ambush predator is able to be heard.

[woven bane]

how are you gonna ambush something when it makes noise, takes away the element of suprise

[fallen sky]

Its not a suprise its instant death. Ambush predators dont kill instantly.

[woven bane]

depends, deinos do

[fallen sky]

It doesnt? It drags you to the depths. And with deino you can predict the attack. Youre drinking and you can avoid it. But with herrera you cant.

[woven bane]

it’s still an one shot move lmao. both click RMB to kill u

you can avoid getting ambushed by a herrera by looking up

[fallen sky]

Maybe but with deino you know where it is. In the water.

[fallen sky]

Just look up 24/7. its easy! Why didnt i think of that!

[woven bane]

you’re acting like a herrera is waiting for u at every tree forcing u to look up constantly.

i don’t complain when i don’t pay attention to my surroundings and die. your argument could be used for anything

you got rammed and killed by a carno? why don’t you just look around constantly etc

[fallen sky]

Carno has footsteps. And it vocalizes when it rams. Herrera has nothing. Did you even read what i said?

[woven bane]

it barely does any noise when ramming

just look up it’s that easy

if you make herrera loud how are they supposed to ambush

[fallen sky]

Like they do right now. By attacking unsuspecting prey. The sound wont do much. 90% of the time it will still be too late.

[woven bane]

attacking unsuspecting prey dosen’t work when you alert half the island with your presence

[desert arch]

It has though? It does a loud screech before it lands

[quick talon]

When the herra falls down it gets stuck in place for around 2 seconds, which is enough to do an alt attack on them and if you're a raptor with similar growth progress as the herra or anything bigger you can pretty much oneshot them

[woeful latch]

i would rather want this:

• herrera should make a lot of noise when it’s climbing fast

• herrera should make a lot of noise when it jumps from tree to tree

• herreras speed should be massively reduced in its adult stage but it should be pretty fast in juvenile stage.

herrera is already untouchable 90% of the time, because no one else can climb the trees so i’d like its speed being like 41, so it can barely outrun cera on land

[woven bane]

41 kmh? that’s too much

[quick talon]

It is untouchable but it cannot win any fight without that ambush

[woven bane]

43 would be nice

[fallen sky]

Im not saying it should scream constantly to tell everything where it is. Im talking about one audible noise when it jumps off the tree.

[woven bane]

it does have that

[woeful latch]

yeah sure, but 45 is actually too much for the herrera

[fallen sky]

Well its not loud enough. It should be audible from the ground.

[woven bane]

it is loud enough?

[woeful latch]

so basically what i want is herrera being silent most of the time, but if it decides to change its position or do some “active hunting” everyone will hear it jumping around

[fallen sky]

It is not if you cant hear it from the ground.

[woeful latch]

basically if it wants to be an active hunter - it must be loud

but it should be silent if it’s trying to ambush

[woven bane]

they make noise mid air not when jumping. that’s what i mean

[quick talon]

@latent olive Why do you disagree?

[latent olive]

you instantly tag me the moment i pressed the reaction button goodness gracious

[quick talon]

XD

[woeful latch]

xd

[quick talon]

Just curious that's all

[latent olive]

because it seems like a mess to moderate

[fallen sky]

Am i the only one who hates dying to something that you cant hear or see before its too late?

[quick talon]

What? No?

The channels get deleted when everyone leaves, they are temporary channels

[raven sky]

No but when that's their only way to hunt it's understandable

[latent olive]

plus the system being used for VC now is fine

[woven bane]

you can see them, haven’t died to one because i simply look up and i don’t fall for the classic 40 bodies in one spot bait tactic

[latent olive]

i just dont think its a necessary change

[woven bane]

yep

[quick talon]

It would make the vc list a lot less messy

[fallen sky]

Do you think i havent been doing that? Its when its completely unexpected is when its bs.

[desert arch]

The last time I died to a herrera was like 7 months ago, and I heard it coming

Herrera is fine where it is tbh, there are far bigger balance issues that need adressing

[woven bane]

only nerf it needs is speed

[woeful latch]

pretty much yeah

i would also decrease its hunger and water drain and make it so it’s louder when it jumps from tree to tree

[fallen sky]

And definitely its hitbox cuz it can do double kills

[woeful latch]

but that’s pretty much it

[woeful latch]

it can? i’m pretty sure it cannot do that, maybe only if they’ve changed something recently

it can damage only one target per pounce

[woven bane]

that’s kinda how damadge works in this game… a stego can hit multiple things at the same time

[woeful latch]

you know what’s funny? if teno kicks 2 targets at the same time it can only damage one of them :(

same for the maia i think

[woven bane]

yes only on kicks, tailslam can hit 2 targets

[woeful latch]

if only tailslam was effective like it was before

[fallen sky]

But the hitbox is way too big. It should need to line it up better to succeed. Too easy rn.

[woeful latch]

i love using attack that stuns myself deals cheap damage and stuns the target for half a second so i can’t even do the combo sometimes💀

[woven bane]

it isn’t. they increased it a bit but the pounce animation makes it look a bit bigger than it really is

[woeful latch]

on spiro the stun was actually useful😭

[fallen sky]

Its too big.

[woven bane]

nah

[fallen sky]

Herra main skill issue cant hit anything if its smaller.

[woven bane]

you sound like the typical raptor main who can’t handle dying to a herrera

[fallen sky]

I dont main raptor. And herrera is bs.

[woven bane]

it isn’t, i like how herrera is, it’s got a different playstyle unlike any other

people just don’t like being ambushed

[fallen sky]

I wonder why people dont like having to avoid all trees or die?

[woven bane]

all trees what? herreras aren’t on every single one of them

[fallen sky]

Yes we should just automatically know where the herreras are.

[woven bane]

observation. know where the herrera frequent spots are

occasionally look up

it dosent hurt u

[fallen sky]

And then what? Oh its a herrera i guess this place is off limits because a predator lighter than me is in the tree.

[woven bane]

and then you kill them if they try to jump you or just move 2-5 meters out of their range🤷‍♂️ you’re acting like the whole map is off limits.
what does it being lighter than u have to do with anything

[fallen sky]

Have you even been listening? whatever im not gonna waste time arguing with someone who isnt willing to understand my point of view.

[woven bane]

i have, your arguments don’t make sense lol

[fallen sky]

Literally how am i supposed to kill them when they jump when im the one whose going to die? I dont want to main herrera for 400 hours just to know where when and how i can avoid them.

[woeful latch]

just look up

[woven bane]

because you know that they are there? you don’t have to play herrera to know where they usually are lmao.

south plains, west rail pond etc

[fallen sky]

So just avoid the biggest hotspot on the map because something that takes an hour 20 minutes to grow is there?

[woven bane]

not the biggest hotspots, just be extra cautious around the trees there.
btw how is it’s growth time relevant

[green niche]

to be frank if you are having this much trouble against herras its kinda a skill issue. they arent hard to avoid and they arent hard to spot.

[fallen sky]

Because growth time is what balances the game?

[green niche]

no?

smaller dino = less grow time

[eager socket]

@fallen sky just cuz you can’t see or hear em doesn’t mean they can’t be seen or heard they are very easy to predict and you just need to keep a eye on them

[fallen sky]

Ive only died to herreras like 6 times ever. You know what you have a point idk why im arguing about this when im trying to make a herrera main understand why herrera is bs. Its impossible.

[woven bane]

i mean growth time compared to what? if a herrera who takes 1 hour and 20 minutes can kill something that takes 4 hours to grow then yea it’s op

[eager socket]

To be fair also once more stuff over 2T drop Herrera won’t be all that great as it ain’t gonna be killing mid tiers

[green niche]

im not a herra main 😂 i dont have a main i play whatever i feel like

[woeful latch]

omni takes around 1:45 its not big of a difference

[eager socket]

No your just not very attentive if you think Herrera are that strong

[woven bane]

yea and even then herrera is arguably harder to grow LOL

[eager socket]

Like I’ve died to Herrera 2 times both when I was a Herrera lol

[woeful latch]

that’s for sure

[fallen sky]

How many hours? Do you think im new?

[woeful latch]

i’ve died to herrera just once as a juvie omni🥹

[woven bane]

struggling against herrera is crazy ngl

[eager socket]

I have over 3k at least 1k in current version not a matter of new a matter of your awareness

[woven bane]

hypsi OP next?

[eager socket]

I’m simply saying if you really think Harrera is that strong it says more about you than the Dino

[fallen sky]

I dont think its strong i think its annoying.

[woeful latch]

i didn’t realize that the pile of bodies near that tree was in fact a trap🥹🥹🥹

[eager socket]

Then simply avoid it. Be attentive

It’s litterally a weaker version of Dino but on land

[fallen sky]

Whatever man i dont even know why i got so mad like i think it was just [flows] unwillingness to understand.

[woeful latch]

herrera is annoying, but if you move just 10 meters away it won’t be able to pounce you lol

if it camps the drinking spot just don’t drink near the tree it’s on

[eager socket]

I mean flow is right thou?

[woeful latch]

like herrera is easily avoidable

[fallen sky]

But cant you understand where im coming from?

[eager socket]

Yes so does he but your argument is weak

[woven bane]

we can but i don’t think a playable should be nerfed over something that can be prevented

[eager socket]

Herrera even pre fall damage nerf wasn’t op

If a Herrera manages to land a hit over that far of a fall then they deserve the hit

Tbh nothing currently is particularly op for what it is

It’s just that either A has nothing to contest it size wise etc dibble and stego and B people just don’t get the mechanics.

It all comes down to a lack of understanding that next couple Dino’s (for the most part baring afew of them) are gonna be more towards the larger side and when they drop the whole balance that people think of rn is gonna be thrown in a whirlpool

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message is thats a thing?

[eager socket]

Ya pouncing for both troodons and omni has been insanely buggy as of recent patches which is why they went from top tier hunters to more of a rare sighting

Not pachy rare but not the most played

Funny I’ve actually seen more and more carnos as of late

[woeful latch]

same

[woeful latch]

hmm calling troodon a top tier hunter is brave

i respect that

[woven bane]

on paper it is, but is pretty bad ing

[woeful latch]

from my experience the pounce is a lot better now, like they rarely cancel attacks, less times they just teleport and stuff

the only time they stop mid air is when they pounce head or something

was fighting a troodon and omni packs yesterday.

[eager socket]

I mean even now give me afew hours and 3 people with comms and we’ll slay dibbles

[eager socket]

Lots of random teleporting through your target it’s hard for omni sense it relies on group pouncing for max effect etc Stam drain and pinning

You end up pinning your team and getting 1 tapped by what you where trying to pin a lot and it’s stupid

[woeful latch]

ahah xd

thats the spirit!

[eager socket]

People play Troodon all wrong it’s all about venom not actual damage riding them for extended periods doesn’t help must focus on keeping em stage 3 and tracking and you’ll eventually knock em down I think it’s 53-55 pounces???? Of stage 3 to kill a dibble

Like 80 for a stego true pain

[woeful latch]

noo thats too much. its 16 to kill the teno

[eager socket]

I dunno I forget all I know is it’s a lot

But like you can wreck a server with a good troodon pack

1 pounce at a time!

[woeful latch]

yeah thats actually fair, made so one 30min to grow troodon wont be able to kill the stego

[eager socket]

You wanna know something funny

You need a massive troodon pack for Maia

Because IT HEALS SO GOD DAM FAST

[woeful latch]

yeah its actually better to just bleed it out since it has terrible bleed res

but imo it should be even worse than it is rn

[eager socket]

Pft you ain’t bleeding NOTHING as a troodon

[woeful latch]

troodon does a lot of bleed tho

i with the pack its possible

[eager socket]

Not to anything over 300kg

[eager socket]

The maybe

[woeful latch]

tho maia can always just press w and run away lmao

[eager socket]

I think to take a Maia you’d need like 4-6 so that you can constantly have 2-3 keeping them in stage 3 while others get stam and trade out

[eager socket]

So true so true

But who would run from troodons without wasting all their stam

[woeful latch]

ahah

[eager socket]

“They’re one tap I’ll just kill em”

[woeful latch]

yeah i forgot that troodons pounce doesnt give stamina to the herbivore with tactical endurance

[eager socket]

Fun fact we actually tried a trio Maia hunt couldn’t kill it due to it having all healing perks and just out healing our dps

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[eager socket]

It’s venom damage not damage damage

[woeful latch]

yeah

[eager socket]

Troodons are truely terrifying in mass

Ngl if I hear more than 3 AWOOOOOOOOs I’m out

Chances are they aren’t that group with good comms but I ain’t risking the chance they might just be

[woeful latch]

imo tactical endurance should be changed to something that was in my mind for quite a while.
so basically instead of rewarding herbivores for skill issue it will reward them for good plays instead

you will get stamina for using your attack back if you hit the target successfully
for example if you're the teno that kicked you will lose 2 stam and gain 2 stam back if the kick landed

imo thats super fair and actually a good mutation

[woeful latch]

xdd

[eager socket]

Mmm I agree tactical is kinda op like I don’t mind it for trying to survive crocs

But stego has no place having tac

Dibble too

[vital laurel]

Herra is super strong Wdym, if you die from anything but deino, canni, dehydration or starvation you did smt wrong

[eager socket]

Really isn’t, gamers really just don’t be looking up

[vital laurel]

Okay how is it not strong🙂

[eager socket]

You can avoid it by literally looking up magical concept I know

[vital laurel]

What about it is weak except that it has a bit of a weird tree climbing movement

[eager socket]

Like I’ll agree with the deino being hard to spot before you can get me to not think that people just don’t look up

[eager socket]

It weighs nothing is visible on any tree it’s on pounce takes time meaning you can move dying to them is entirely your own fault

[green niche]

herras are also tiny

if you find one on the ground pretty much anything can kill it

[vital laurel]

Maybe get a better camo skin?

[eager socket]

No camo skin can completely mask you no matter how good it is

Plus your body as a pretty distinct outline

[vital laurel]

If someone isn’t playing with effects on high you can easily hide in the high palm trees in the leafs if someone isn’t examining every tree on every angle

[eager socket]

The same way you wanna take a second to feel out water take a second to scan trees in a area you plan to stay still for abit

[vital laurel]

Duh

[eager socket]

Herrera are easy enough to notice and to be COMPLETELY FAIR due to how slow they are tend to always be in the same area very few wonder far

[green niche]

you should also listen out for them. most players have a complete inability to keep quiet and yell every few seconds

[eager socket]

^

Herrera jumping from tree to tree is not a quite activity

[vital laurel]

They nerfed the volume of them lul

[green niche]

pretty sure they didnt

[eager socket]

No I don’t believe they’ve reduced the audio at all

[sudden shell]

they did but it was forever ago

[eager socket]

I mean they nerfed the distance Herrera can fall by a good bit

[green niche]

ive managed to hear herras that were on the otherside of river delta to me - in which case, nerfing the sound was very necessary, because they are still LOUD

[vital laurel]

Their calls are loud ofc, but latching is quieter

[eager socket]

Dying to a Herrera less than a whole year away from you or in extremely odd spots for Herrera is entirely your own fault

And I only know of 1 Herrera main that does that etc YouTube

Most Herrera aren’t that brave or competent

[eager socket]

Jumping from tree to tree isn’t

To be clear I’m entirely of the opinion that dying to Herrera is your own fault due to lack of awareness it’s a survival game if you know a threat can exist assume it always exists and always alert for it

[sudden shell]

some of us are absolutely little rats and can hit weird pounces

most herreras will only jump if their target is standing still or in an animation

[eager socket]

I’ll agree but your not invisible or mute

[eager socket]

Exactly

[sudden shell]

not in the slightest

[eager socket]

To be fair I’m also the kind of player to wait the full 4 mins by a water source to confirm its deino free

[sudden shell]

ive hit players that knew where i was, sometimes its just that stupid of a pounce that they dont expect it

[vital laurel]

That’s crazy

[eager socket]

not really

You pick to play the Dino game with tree goblins be prepared to encounter them at most any water source always be peeping

As of right now most Herrera aren’t hitting moving targets or even trying too

[trail furnace]

I’ve tried and paid the price so many times

[sudden shell]

i dont know what herreras youve seen but ive taken out moving targets more than once

[vital laurel]

NV????

[eager socket]

Rare breed

[sudden shell]

nah, im just stupid

[eager socket]

I dunno I don’t have NV issues plus night time is like 20-30 minutes? Go to places less likely to have Herrera if they are such a concern for you at night

Again survival game play smart

[vital laurel]

Not for herra… for herbis

I’m still failing to see how herra isn’t incredibly strong? He must be one of the easiest dinos to play as and has crazy strength

[sudden shell]

to be fair, herrera doesnt have the best nv either, theres been a lot of times where i spotted someone far too late to pounce because it was so dark

[eager socket]

Avoid areas of high pop Herrera if they are that big of a concern plus like…. Anything bigger than a pachy isn’t dying that easily to Herrera on herbi side

Won’t lie if you play teno are FG and die to a Herrera skill issue kick hitbox is massive and easy and even with a head hit it’ll take them another 5+ bites to kill you and you 1 tap them

[raven sky]

Herrera is incredibly strong but also incredibly fragile. It's a glass cannon

[sudden shell]

my thoughts exactly

[eager socket]

^

[vital laurel]

Yeah but also if you manage to get hit it’s a skill issue? How do you get hit when you have entire trees to hide out in

[eager socket]

It won’t even be strong against fg mid sized Dino’s (2T+) it’s basically the smal tier and below Bain and that’s it

BRO A BEIPI HAS BETTER DPS

(Excluding pounce from tree)

[eager socket]

Miss a pounce.

Plus like if you get hit by a Herrera survive don’t get a hit on it shift+W will do wonders for your survival

[vital laurel]

How is that not a skill issue💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[raven sky]

When try to jump on something like a raptor and it notices you and moves away then it can just kill you

[eager socket]

Exactly

[vital laurel]

It was your choice to pounce it? Your fault for pounce something that noticed you

[sudden shell]

or eating, drinking, traveling between grassy plains, breaking your legs because you fell too far like i tend to do

[eager socket]

Ya I don’t main Herrera so I’m not 100% aware of its play loop

I’ve grown like 5 ish

[raven sky]

It can notice you mid air

[sudden shell]

i do main herrera so im painfully aware of it

[trail furnace]

The sound que can give a herra mid air away

[green niche]

a friend of mine noticed a herra about to pounce him by the shadow

moved away just in time to survive

[sudden shell]

this happens far more than you think

[eager socket]

As a Herrera main in your opinion are Herrera noticeable if you take a moment to look up

[trail furnace]

If they aren’t the right colors lml

[eager socket]

I’m making a point give it a sec

[sudden shell]

they are, but only 90% of the time, sometimes you get pounced from an angle that you literally could not see from where you were standing

[trail furnace]

Staying in a dead tree with bright colors gonna get you noticed, staying in full trees you blend in more

[eager socket]

So basically 90% of the time it’s cuz gamers are physically incapable of looking up

[sudden shell]

hold on a second and ill show you something

[vital laurel]

You still took the risk

[trail furnace]

If you’re on a grey cliff but for example sake you have blues and indigos you will get noticed

[eager socket]

I mean I’ve grow 2 fully white Herrera and survived very well

Gamers genuinely don’t look up

[sudden shell]

pretty much

[green niche]

i dont think people in general look up 😅

[vital laurel]

Braking a leg skill issue, not making sure it’s safe to eat skill issue, drinking meh sure but I haven’t died to a deino in ages so a bit a skill isssue, moving in open terrain skill issue

[trail furnace]

Mud is crucial in my plays cause I like to be vibrant when I can

[eager socket]

Ya I mean it’s super rare to come across a Herrera player like Donpi who is arguably best known Herrera main that scowers the map for odd angles and rare places to happen upon a Herrera

[eager socket]

I’ve killed Herrera as a PT before because ya know Herrera weigh only 100 pounds so it only takes a few good hits

Fun fact a FG pt can survive a single FG Herrera bite

[vital laurel]

Sit under a branch

[eager socket]

As a sweaty PT it’s still possible

There do be funky movement tech

To be honest on current roaster is dare to call myself a PT or troodon main

My bb Alberto is a long way out

[vital laurel]

Yeah but not rally the norm

[sudden shell]

i thought you were asking ways to die that WERE skill issues

[eager socket]

Oh 100%

[eager socket]

To be fair every death is a skill issue

In some way shape or form

[vital laurel]

Okay good, herra has a very strong attack with no real drawbacks, in fact it has more benefits than anyone else(climb and swim) which makes it incredibly strong, like if you die it has to be a cannibal or a deino when drinking or it rly feels like a skill issue

[vital laurel]

Combat skills aren’t the same as survival skills

[sudden shell]

@trail furnace herreraflage

[eager socket]

Slow as swim

[vital laurel]

It still has more mobility in water than 14 of the other dinos

[eager socket]

I’ll agree to cannibals being mad common

But still I see them die to other things all the time

[trail furnace]

Beauty lmao

[eager socket]

Solid skin

[sudden shell]

i avoid every herrera i see because of this reason, a solid chunk of herrera players are omnis that got mad and switched to herrera to kill them

[eager socket]

I’ll have to send you mine I go for more of a rock camo

[eager socket]

LMAO REAL

[vital laurel]

You should oblivious be seeing this from 20 metres down under when there is also a bunch of dinos on the ground that wants to kill you and 10 other trees that could also have herras like this

[eager socket]

me and a group went on a mission awhile ago cuz there was a large mix pack with 3 Herrera and we wiped them all out

[trail furnace]

I’ve bamboozled omnis who go for a friend and I get them from a different tree

[sudden shell]

some people still manage to see me

its impressive

[eager socket]

What servers you play on?

[sudden shell]

almost exclusively ca1 and na2

[eager socket]

I feel like I’ve probably crossed paths with you before

[eager socket]

Mmmm maybe ca1

[green niche]

herra has one of the slowest swim speeds of all dinosaurs. pretty sure there are only like, two? that are slower

[eager socket]

I try to avoid na2 due to mass mix packing

[eager socket]

^

[trail furnace]

I try to stay on NA 4 but I’ve been on SA 3 for some time

[sudden shell]

makes it harder to miss when they group up

[vital laurel]

Let me introduce you to holding CTRL as herra in the water

[trail furnace]

I put in feedback an option like boost swim speed or make there oxygen higher

[green niche]

it can dive, so what? that doesnt give that much of an advantage. not with its oxygen levels

[sudden shell]

too bad youll die if you do that for more than a few seconds

[eager socket]

Oh ya your a Herrera main alright

[sudden shell]

theres already a bunch that suggested it

[eager socket]

And what wait 6 seconds?

Bro does not have O2 like that

Nor the stam as of that matter

[vital laurel]

I’ve gotten away several times

[green niche]

tbh the only advantage being able to dive gives is that you can see if there are any crocs nearby. or if there are fish that have spawned underwater but arent jumping out.

[sudden shell]

you forgot about the absolutely golden diving animation

it looks like i crack my skull on the bottom every time

[eager socket]

Truely beautiful that swim speed makes me cry when I see that glorious dive