general-feedback-discussion

[real rain]

i've seen a fg dibble get gang banged by maia

[woeful latch]

ahah no, it’s just you saying that maia is almost a teno.. it’s like saying troodon is almost a cerato, because they both bite

[real rain]

just keep putting him down can't do anything, yes tenos cand do that, yes dibbles can do that but see teno is weak less than 2 tons, see dibble is slow only 30 speed

[real rain]

no because troodon has venom and troodon jumps while cera puke and charge bite

[woeful latch]

🔥

[real rain]

is that your only answer?

[frail prawn]

Maia does not need any damage buff, it can one or two stomp a dilo, 3 stomp a cerato, 3 or 4 stomp a teno, its a walking tank with the speed of a race car.

[real rain]

my point

[frail prawn]

Only thing keeping it from running everything down is the terrible night vision at night.

[real rain]

and the lack of people playing something else

[frail prawn]

People wanting unneeded buffs to a already tank is why this game is so out of balanced.

[woeful latch]

maia has many attacks, not all of them deal the same amount of damage, stomp needs a nerf, all other attacks are too weak

[real rain]

if attack is buffed then speed is debuff

[frail prawn]

You can out run most things and anything willing to attack is going to get knocked down and stomped.

[woeful latch]

no, you’re just going insane at this point, it’s like that gif with the guy talking with the wall

[frail prawn]

Only thing catching you right now is a Dilo and you one stomp them.

[karmic plank]

not true

ive been fighting and hunting mia all night solo dilo

[frail prawn]

I watched two dilo friends get knocked down and one stomp to the head killed them full health.

So ya, one or two stomps and your dead.

[woeful latch]

i should probably stop talking in this chat, the amount of people who never actually played the game and discuss things here is insane

[real rain]

was a carno got chased down until not stam and then 3 put down and one stomp on my head and i'm dead

[karmic plank]

well ive been stomped 3-5 times not on head i dont think but havent died yet

[frail prawn]

Was it a full adult?

[karmic plank]

yeah

[frail prawn]

Because a full adult its going to one or two stomp.

[karmic plank]

well then they didnt have congenital

[frail prawn]

Well it must not have registered as a head hit, because they died in one hit full adult dilos full heath and adult Maia to the head.

[celest hollow]

maia just came out and i already got stomped out after 2 hours of growing what enjoyment do cannis get ts is so annoying

[frail prawn]

Pretty much a speedy Diablo and people actually want more damage.

People are already learnin the stomp so the more Maias you run into that know about it most things that can catch up to em is going to get stomped to death before dealing any real damage.

Poor ceras are going to get run down.

[real rain]

my point has been they do a sh*t ton of damage while being as fast as a racing car, they are litteraly a

[karmic plank]

congenital is a must now with mia in game.

[frail prawn]

Pretty much.

I just dont want to see another form of a diablo but worse running around.

[real rain]

i'm hopping we will finnaly see eggs with 2 congenital mutation for a 30% damage reduction

[frail prawn]

And I wish they'd get rid of those God forsaken speed mutation, convert damage to stam and eat to heal.

[real rain]

maybe if they converted it into an omnivore or smth

[tired zinc]

So maia does no damage ?

[frail prawn]

Maia does plenty of damage, once you master the stomp most is going to either die or be wounded badly.

Cera isnt catching you and it can be ran down and stomped to death in like 3 hits, Dilos can catch you but at the risk of dying in like 1 or 2 stomps, anything else you can stun and just run away from but I heard that Diablos also get stun locked and beat to death from a large herd sooo.

[cosmic thorn]

doesnt the stomp do like 170 damage? That doesn't seem too bad.

[frail prawn]

They can do it rapidly as well

So they can apply 170 damage quickly.

[cosmic thorn]

I've yet to get my hands on Maia, but from watching ElMaco play yesterday it seems to have the turn radius of a cruise ship

[frail prawn]

Its not that bad, it has a drift as well and it can barrel anything over.

If it doesnt have SOME cons to it then it'd be broken.

[cosmic thorn]

The issue I think is that the latest dinos we've gotten are some big honkin herbivores without any real competition on the carnivore side.

[frail prawn]

#general-feedback message I dont think this is a buff, I think its a bug. @shrewd sphinx

[mystic parcel]

@clever geyser it’s a bug

[clever geyser]

fair

[frail prawn]

#general-feedback message @fair jetty Well said brother.

And once its released into normal branch and everyone has had their fill of it, you'll most likely see stego, diablo, maia, teno and a few pachies giant mega herds and nothing is going to be able to touch that.

all can either one shot or keep you stun locked until your dead and heavy bleed.

Only 3 predators that can even attempt stand no real chance.

[woven bane]

i already explained what i meant by that

yea because it’s blood pool is significantly smaller than maia’s. it won’t be the same

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @tight iron man I am so glad I’m not the only person who noticed the bad turning change😅

#general-feedback message @full pewter it’s not you. I got them too. Specifically when I grab a swimming dino

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @raven sky it does enough damage to 1v1 ceras pretty easily, it doesnt need more especially when its supposed to run rather than fight

[frail prawn]

No bro, just no.

Anymore buffs and its literally just another diablo but faster.

[half forge]

All it really needs is some polishing and QoL to its quadruple stance.

[fair jetty]

#general-feedback message @golden horizon Did you submit a bug report?

[golden horizon]

no where can i do that ?

oh nvm i found it

[fair jetty]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[golden horizon]

Just submitted it

@raven sky To deal massive damage as maia you knock your opponent down and then stomp their head

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @woeful latch how are you disagreeing bruh

[woeful latch]

lmao i ❌ like a minute ago, an you already noticed

[woven bane]

i was waiting for it

knew it was coming

[woeful latch]

because it’s a misinformation? it can’t chase dilos and carnos down?

[woven bane]

it can

do you even know it’s stats

[woeful latch]

it should use stam for using its attacks instead.

[barren crater]

what are the stats

[limber hull]

the checkmate of islecord

[woven bane]

smh

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[woven bane]

my premise was that it has a lot of stamina, don’t know the exact amount

[indigo gulch]

@tawny pendant it has been confirmed that they are working on spawn codes so you can spawn together

[junior nymph]

that was like months ago when they announced that

[limber hull]

it should be in this HT eventually lol

[indigo gulch]

So they are still working on it no?😅

[junior nymph]

yea

[woeful latch]

lmao

so you have no idea

[woven bane]

i do

[woeful latch]

i doubt it can outrun both dilo and carno as you said

[woven bane]

doubt

[woeful latch]

you literally said you don’t, like at this point i feel like you’re just trolling💀

[woven bane]

the exact amount*

[cyan flame]

Arent those faster than maia?

[woeful latch]

they are

[woven bane]

barely

[woeful latch]

that’s the whole point

[woven bane]

0.6 kmh difference

[woeful latch]

enough to outrun imo

dilo has a lot more stamina

[woven bane]

yes but they can still stay on u till u run out

[woeful latch]

carno is 60 with the ram

[woven bane]

59.4*

[woeful latch]

wow sorry, my bad🔥

that changes everything

[woeful latch]

dilo has more stamina, carno is just a lot faster with the ram, what are you talking about?😭

[woven bane]

ram takes stamina

[woeful latch]

no way

[woven bane]

@vivid mason they don’t know.

[vivid mason]

You poor unfortunate soul..

[woven bane]

dilo does not have more stamina that’s for sure

[vivid mason]

I was a full stam dilo chasing a Maia That had been already running for at least 30 seconds yesterday, i ran out of stam and it was still able to run out of sight

[woeful latch]

i’m at least 90% sure that was tactical endurance and it also had speed mutation

i HIGHLY doubt maia has more stamina than dilo

[vivid mason]

It was night time, I don’t think they had nocturnal on, neither did I

And what about tactile?? If you don’t pick that as a herbi you’re just playing it wrong, ESPECIALLY if you’re a tanky herbi. Plus we couldn’t bite it, no tail hitboxes remember? It outstammed me big time, I was FULL while it wasn’t and still lost my stam Before it did

[woeful latch]

imo it needs additional testing, there’s guys who can find the exact stats in game files

[vivid mason]

Then ask them, I’m sure it has more stam

[woeful latch]

but so far my maia gameplay was run for 30 seconds and trot

[vivid mason]

How 😭

[woven bane]

prob bad diets then

that makes no sense

[woeful latch]

i had perfect

what i’m trying to say is we don’t know for sure who has more stamina, we need someone to check the exact stats

and then we argue

[woven bane]

fair enough

[verbal galleon]

oh great , bucking is once again useless

[wooden agate]

wdym

[spiral stump]

https://tenor.com/view/lighthouse-the-lighthouse-wake-laugh-wake-laughing-gif-5252594120951449508

[verbal galleon]

in ht rn, raptor pounced me

[verbal galleon]

bucked for like 15 seconds, did nothing

[cyan flame]

Its rng last I checked, you were just unlucky

[desert arch]

Welcome to rng bucking

You either buck it off instantly, or waste all of your stamina trying to do so

Fun for both parties am I right 🙂

[verbal galleon]

peak nonsense

but its honestly not suprising 💀

[north quiver]

last I checked, adult maia has roughly 2:55ish minutes of straight run time from the moment they press shift and don’t stop. roughly 1:15 of running until it goes below the trot regen threshold

(this is full 100% grown maia)

if the maia isn’t fully grown, it’s going to have more stam

[verbal galleon]

oh and appearantly cheaters still exist too

[desert arch]

Thats insanity wtf

Thats more run time than carno has, just off the top of my head

[indigo gulch]

as someone who loves playing pack omni, it freaking sucks

[wooden agate]

@summer olive #general-feedback message animal niches be like

[north quiver]

I only did the test once because I was in sp and thought there were cannies near but that’s what my stopwatch and running laps gave me lol giant endurance runner

[desert arch]

It should be nerfed 100%, thats insane

[indigo gulch]

also mr.troodon, is it just me or did deino o2 get nerfed?

[desert arch]

Maia is literally just a better carno

[indigo gulch]

how long should a deino be able to stay underwater?

you're the knower

[desert arch]

No patchnotes so uh dunno 🥲
Id need to hop between 2 branches to find out

[desert arch]

12 mins iirc

[indigo gulch]

cuse I feel like I can stay under for only 5

[north quiver]

honestly I feel like it’s fine because the running knockdown takes a considerable amount of stam and is easy to dodge. just dodge it and you’ll be good because the maia will lose a lot of that stam if it keeps trying

[indigo gulch]

was swimming for a minute under water and was at 80%

[north quiver]

the rest of the attacks while running is pretty bad

[desert arch]

Technically yes, but the combo it can do after that knockdown 3 shots carno and cera, 2 if its on the head.

[north quiver]

don’t move predictably then and don’t mess with the giant angry zebra. people have to be predictable to be hit to initiate the combo

the knockdown is insanely easy to miss if someone simply turns the other way

[indigo gulch]

but you can say that about a lot of stuff no?

[north quiver]

nah, other things are much easier to hit than Maia’s knockdown

[indigo gulch]

isn't that slightly subjective?

[verbal galleon]

nah, for omni its still right click to win

[summer olive]

it has nothing to do with animal niches when a dilo thats like less than half of a carno can take on a maia. thats just a huge balance issue in the game.

[indigo gulch]

unless you are lighter than the omni, no?

[desert arch]

Easier said than done when its faster than 90% of the roster and can run down everything except galli

[verbal galleon]

nah, omni still easily beats most of the roster

[north quiver]

in a way sure depending on how you look at it but it’s also not in some ways too.

maia has:

• worse agility
• a lock in movement for the attack
• has to look to the side to hit most things because the front knockdown is too high
• stam cost to the knockdown

[indigo gulch]

''easily''

[verbal galleon]

yep

[indigo gulch]

no

[north quiver]

carno is faster too than most things but it’s capable of being dodged. maia is easier to dodge

[indigo gulch]

as a pack? Yes. As a solo omni? No.

[verbal galleon]

well duh, omni is not supposed to be played solo

[indigo gulch]

BROTHER

[wooden agate]

the small game hunter lacks the ability to hunt game larger than it

shocking i know

[indigo gulch]

you cant say ''omni easily beats most of the roster'' and then go ''yeah cuse its usually in a pack''

when you talk about a dinosaur, you talk about 1 individual

Stego beats 100% of the roster in a herd

[verbal galleon]

ofc i can, like bruh u said omni is hard to play solo , i expected u to have the common knowledge that playing omni solo is not the right way to do it

[indigo gulch]

you cant base balancing off of multiple people in a group??

everything performs better in a group

[verbal galleon]

buddy ofc i can, thats literally how it works, raptor is supposed to balanced in a group and not by itsself 💀

[desert arch]

"Herd up to survive"
But for carnis, thats a first

[midnight heath]

When the playable's main mechanic requires multitple players, I think it's actually quite fair.

Omni is a pack playable, can be solo sure but it can't do it's main thing without others.

[verbal galleon]

what im saying

[indigo gulch]

Okay then nerf herbis? Cuse herbivores are supposed to be in a group no?

[verbal galleon]

real

[midnight heath]

None of them require eachother to use a mechanic.

[indigo gulch]

neither does omni? You can pounce and kill alone, its just harder

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind, for carnis its for better hunts, for herbis it tends to be group or die. Theres an important difference between group to live, or group to do better.

[midnight heath]

You can't use grapple alone.

It has a mechanic that requires multiple omni.

None of the herbivores need multiple party members to do anything specific in their kits.

[desert arch]

Galli though
Not technically a herbi but its basically one

[indigo gulch]

okay but then why are we talking about omni being strong when you literally need multiple people to use the mechanic?

[midnight heath]

Yeah, I didn't include galli because it's technically an omnivore.

[indigo gulch]

I wouldnt call omni able to ''easily beat most of the roster'' when you cant hunt alone

that was the WHOLE point of the argument

[summer olive]

how does that apply to the dilo? You really have no idea what youre talking about bud. I wont discuss the obvious with you. stop mentioning me now.

[indigo gulch]

it makes no sense to look at the balance and look at the stats of each individual dino and suddenly look at omni balance from the perspective of multiple omnis

[midnight heath]

Because omni can be strong, it has bleed, high mobility and can pin anything below it's weight. An experienced omni can do a lot against a decent bit of the roster but that's more on the player maybe.

Multiple omni can pin massive playable without any conditions so long as they're heavy enough.

[indigo gulch]

but then you cant say that it's easy like it's overpowered as hell on its own?

[midnight heath]

No, solo omni isn't OP in my opinion.

But it is strong

[indigo gulch]

Okay just so we are clear

The whole point was: I disagreed with the notion of ''nah, omni still easily beats most of the roster''. Then he said constantly that it could. And when I said the solo omni cant do anything major, he called me dumb because he ''expected u to have the common knowledge that playing omni solo is not the right way to do it''

so the argument was that you shouldnt look at the strength of the dino in a big group instead of the individual because then the lines get blurred way too fast

[midnight heath]

It may just come down to the player, but a well experienced solo omniraptor can deal with a lot of the roster. Solo omniraptor can do things and quite well, however more often than not broadly speaking when omniraptor is brought up people I think tend to mean packs; since grapple and trading pounces is a pack oriented ordeal.

When omniraptor has a mechanic as strong as grapple, you can't ignore that being pointed out for balance. Solo omniraptor I think is balanced in it's own sense, sticking to things within your size will do you just fine, and if experienced you can do a lot more.

[faint tapir]

A troodon can comfortably beat a carno.
.
.
.
Sorry i mean 8 troodons /s

[desert arch]

You know its about to be good when Niko starts typing

[midnight heath]

I wish troodon would get a little more TLC.

[indigo gulch]

but then you cant say it can beat the whole roster when its in a group man. Also, it still cant when the prey knows what it is doing

[indigo gulch]

shut it you xD

[lapis crag]

So, i think what @midnight heath is saying is that, Omni has the mobility and speed to allow it to fight most of the roster if the player is skilled enough. But that is the top 1% of omni players and honestly shouldn't be used as an argument for anything.

[desert arch]

Increased stamina drain while envenomated pls😔

[midnight heath]

A group of omniraptors can pin everything on the roster though, and again that's why I said it comes down to the player.

[indigo gulch]

broken as a group and its supposed to be in a group. Nerf hammer incoming

[midnight heath]

Anyone super good at any playable isn't the average for sure.

[indigo gulch]

(I might also be slightly tilted at the '' i expected u to have the common knowledge that playing omni solo is not the right way to do it'' btw, I will admit that. Im not that petty)

I'm just saying, a lot of things in a group can kill most of the roster. Not just omni.

[midnight heath]

God I wish, anything more for the thing that instantly evaporates when something sneezes in it's general direction.

[indigo gulch]

well at least we can agree on that xD

[desert arch]

Im honestly on the opinion you literally cant make troodon op unless you buff its hp, of course while staying in the realm of common sense. Its still a one shot anyway.

[midnight heath]

You're not wrong about the group thing, the only issue with that is omniraptor is a pack oriented playable, it's shiny new mechanic is proof. Capable on it's own but better suited for packs.

I personally don't think all herbivores should herd up, none of them need to either.

[desert arch]

I almost managed to solo an omni 2 days ago, he was getting super cocky and just ignored me till I got him purple, but when he was 1 shot he just bolted and left me in the dust because I was low on stamina from 5 pounces😔

[midnight heath]

**I want: **

Quieter footsteps

Fake footsteps when envenomated (makes it so easy in a fight to tell where it is despite the fake chatter and fog)

Slightly better stamina maybe or stamina decrease on prey whilst envenomated

And maybe just enough health not to get 1-tapped by an omniraptor bite.

[desert arch]

If you ise congenital you wont be 1 shot by a normal bite on the body

Youll be left with literally 4hp though XD

[midnight heath]

Really? Is.. Is it worth? I don't get it because it's already so little

So if you're bleeding you still might die, yeah?

[desert arch]

Yeah its worth

Also makes you surviva an extra herrera bite

[desert arch]

Maybe, but better than dying on the spot

[midnight heath]

This is good to know, for the future then. Now that compy are back I may take a new jab at it.

[desert arch]

You go from 60, to 69hp if you use congenital. Saved my life a couple times haha

[full pewter]

That’s exactly how it happened to me too!

[desert arch]

Me and my friend also experienced one when trying to grab a players body on land

Both of us crashed the moment I grabbed the body

And it only happens on deino, which is super weird

[indigo gulch]

I made a bug report but I dont have a screenshot linked so :/

I just hope they look in feedback I guess

[full pewter]

I think I might have recorded at least one of them

[indigo gulch]

well best to send that in the bug report then

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @unkempt lynx it's a known bug, they are working on fixing it

[hidden mist]

I also today heard how a Deino on land stomped like a literal full-speed train idk. Like the sound was so fast and trembling oof...

I at first thought it was a Maia near me, no it wasn't.

[indigo gulch]

oh yeah it's loud af

my fg deino makes a lot of noises with just walking, not to mention sprinting

[summer olive]

@full pewter yeah I got the same problem. actually its whenever you KILL something it crashes as a deino. Ive reported the bug already and I would recommend you to do that too. Ive got a 80% deino and rn my friend keeps coming here and drowns himself to keep me fed, because I am not able to hunt for myself, as the game would crash when I kill something. Its frustrating.

[hidden mist]

Shadow nerf Deino it seems

[summer olive]

yeah its awful. akso the turnradios doesnt make any sense

its floating in water it should have such big troubles simply turning around in water. even maia turn in water is better.

[full pewter]

Fr it being about as good as its land turn radius doesn’t make sense, I’d be fine if it was slightly slower than before but this is too much

[indigo gulch]

Wouldnt even call it shadow. It's so noticable that you cant possible miss it xD

[summer olive]

yes true. also it looks wonky af.

[indigo gulch]

but guys, deino is broken so they need to nerf it right?

[summer olive]

same for ptera

[full pewter]

They wanna balance deino? Add spino

[indigo gulch]

TRUE

[full pewter]

Literal population control

Bary can only do so much

[summer olive]

I think on ´´no ai´´ servers they should still add fish. as fish are a huge foodsource for most semi aquatics. especially as a herra/ ptera youll often just straight up starve to death because you depend on fish and scavanging mostly. also Ive noticed pteras nesting doesnt work. neither in evrima rn nor in hordetesting

you can place a nest, however in evrima after 2 sticks the sticks will get stuck in your mouth and get bugged. only way to fix it is relogging which means loosing the nest ultimately. in hordetesting you cann smell the sticks but cant pick them up

[indigo gulch]

I'd be more surprised if you didnt starve to death without AI as ptera

[summer olive]

yep. but makes ptera basically unplayable on a non ai server. same for carno because theres no small playables that are close to being played enough to come across one as a carno

[vivid mason]

@woeful latch

Maia has 3 mins of runtime

It’s like the 2nd if not 1st playable with the most stam 😭😭

[woeful latch]

ah that’s insane xD

yeah i think they should nerf it or make its attacks cost stamina

[vivid mason]

I knew I wasn’t delusional 😭

That chase was bananas, it had like 20 dilo hallucinations after it too lmaoo

[woeful latch]

yeah teno got like 2:45 with 40km/h💀

[vivid mason]

It definitely should not outstam dilo

[vivid mason]

It does? Cool lol

But atleast most of its predators can outrun it

Maia is simply uncatchable, and inescapable

[woeful latch]

yeah that’s too much

[vivid mason]

Solo cera and a couple maias appear, night night

Hungry cera and you get a solo Maia low? No food, Maia runs away

[north quiver]

its only meaningful attack that opens up combos for stun + stomp does cost stam

[woeful latch]

but maybe we should keep this in mind, like maybe everyone’s getting changed

[vivid mason]

I hope they don’t touch my dryo

[lapis crag]

We need this and modding. Will breathe so much more life into the game.

[summer olive]

nerfing every playable species until 2 species that are in favor of the devs are left to play is not a good solution. just my opinion tho

like we all know devs have their favorite dinos and species like dryo, tenonto etc. get nerfed or left behind in the progress. they are forgotten about completly and they put all their efforts into their favorite species, which makes the game unbalanced over all. especially small species like hypsi, dryo and troodon have been completly forgotten and now are pretty much useless to play as they arent as adapted to their new enviroment as the devs said they would be. for example dryo burrowing, hypsi climbing, new functionality of troodon venom. also more server slots + showing the forgotten playables some love would be a huge win for the game over all. more people would play the smaller playables, more people who play as carno would find food and there maybe wouldnt be such an overpopulation of 2 species on the whole server.

[summer olive]

then again, before those changes they should work on bugfixing and performance issues rather than working on new playables

[livid blade]

starvation simulator. Stupid game

[harsh sun]

Would you happen to be playing on a no ai server?

[livid blade]

no

i play eu 1,2,3 normally and the ai spawn rate is absolutely trash.

idk what these devs tryin to do. but grow to starve dinos is NO fun at all...

[harsh sun]

They are reworking ai spawns i think

[livid blade]

lot of these decisions are cancer, ngl. Stamina reduction, removing hotspots, remove spawn point so you never find your mates, extremwlly reduce ai spawn, yeah lets grow to starve, sweet...

[desert arch]

Pretty sure only galli has it beated with its 4 minute runtime

[livid blade]

these devs defently love torturing gamers.

[harsh sun]

Stamina is in an ok spot atm imo. They are adding spawn codes as well.

[vivid mason]

Still, a 3.8 ton creature running at 46.9 kmh for 3 mins straight is not okay

[harsh sun]

Hotspots were a plague to the game.

[livid blade]

not really. When you have many of them split aorund map you make people move between them, like we all did in legacy.

places that u know you gonna find other players/dinos.

and where people like to go chill

but no: remove ai, remove stamina, remove spawn points...so players suffer 😉

[desert arch]

That wasnt the case though in evrima, it was always just 1 big hotspot

[livid blade]

well, just make some cool places to people to chill, with ai EVENTUALLY at least spawning...

[desert arch]

And lets not forget it can kill ceras and carnos in 2-3 combos, even if it costs stamina to do thats insanity

[livid blade]

today i have had 3 dinos starved once grown in a row...carno, carno, dilo...

like...wtf

[desert arch]

I honestly dont have trouble with ai spawns, they have fixed spawn points so I just camp those areas usually🤷‍♂️

[vivid mason]

Thing is, it doesnt cost stamina to do those

[woeful latch]

erm what? who said that’s going to be a nerf? kissen was talking about global stat rework

[desert arch]

Shove does cost stam, like 3-5%

[vivid mason]

Ah

[desert arch]

But tbf thats still pretty good value for a potentially 400dmg combo

Even if you miss some

[woeful latch]

stomp doesn’t cost any stam for some reason

[desert arch]

Theres absolutely no way anyone thinks maia is balanced rn

Its just carno but on steroids

[vivid mason]

It would be balanced if it had a lot shorter run time

[woeful latch]

yeah, i’m okay with its attacks

and it’s bleed resistance is terrible omg

[vivid mason]

It is?

[woeful latch]

which is good

[vivid mason]

How terrible

[woeful latch]

maybe it’s just me, but it bleeds out pretty fast

[vivid mason]

Like.. carno levels bleed?

[woeful latch]

idk needs testing

[lapis crag]

From what I'm seeing all Maia needs is a stam adjustment from running bipedal and it will be fine.

[desert arch]

tbf if it didnt have bad bleed resistance it would just be unhuntable by omni

since it outspeeds and outstams them

[woeful latch]

yeah fair

[vivid mason]

It outstams them too

Also outspeeds them

[desert arch]

what I just said 😭

[vivid mason]

Oh and you forgot to mention that it outstams them

[woeful latch]

it also has more stamina than omnis

and outstams them

[vivid mason]

And more speed

[woeful latch]

yeah🔥

[vivid mason]

[woeful latch]

[north quiver]

I honestly don’t see the issue with this because maia struggles severely against small nibble targets like omni

[woeful latch]

i think maia having more stam is not as bad as maia not using stam for most its attacks

[north quiver]

I’ve seen an omni bully a small herd because they just couldn’t hit it lol

[woeful latch]

it’s only because maia players have no idea how to actually play as maia, give people some time

[north quiver]

its attacks genuinely suck against small targets though

the only option is to shove + slam, and shoving a good nimble omni is very hard because of the attack anim lock and the inability to simply face towards the omni and press rmb (looking straight ahead makes it rear up, so the hitbox is to high to hit it)

shove also takes stam so one omni can very easily bait over half a maias stam out

[vivid mason]

It is though.. ceras, dilos and carnos can’t do anything against a Maia

[north quiver]

they can. simply turn the other way when the maia goes in for a shove and inevitably misses

[summer olive]

Well see but im very certain that instead of balancing things they just gonna nerf 50% of playables as always

[woeful latch]

it’s global rework, which means they do a lot of stuff that includes stats of all the playable dinos. which basically means they will change other dinos stats like base speed, their role in roster etc. like maia has nothing to do with that

it’s not about maia at all

it’s giving dinos the permanent spot

[woeful latch]

same for the rest of the roster tbh, maia needs that stamina nerf 👀
let’s wait for the patch i guess

[verbal galleon]

who r these loser dilos on ht eu2 XD

[vivid mason]

thing is, the rest of the roster can get to spots maias cant

but Cera and dibble just get hit to death if they try to run away, Carno and dilo get outstammed and killed

its absurd

[woeful latch]

they’ll probably nerf it in the next patch

[vivid mason]

hope so

[tired zinc]

Well i think the game got broken now lol

The only carnivore to kill a maia is a croc

We need a strong carnivore added to the game asap cause the biggest land carnivore is running mouse for any herbivore xd

[summer olive]

Lets see if they will do that. Just to remind you they nerved carno into the ground cuz its not in favor of the community. Sure it once was overpowered but rn its basically a snack for everyone on 2 legs. They couldve found another way to make it hunt small prey instead of making it weaker than a hypsi 🥲

[woven bane]

maia could also use a damadge nerf ngl

[real rain]

Every single time i look in #general-feedback and see some guy say "I like how maia is so balanced and good" i understand they never tried to take one down as another dino, the only thing that can think of killing one is a raptor or dilo since they are small and can turn fast, as a carno i got stunlocked against a maia, i saw a dibble also get stunlocked, the maia pack shoudn't be up to 9 but a giant max of 4 kind of like stegos and they should use more stam then they do right now, they also seem to heal off pretty fast which i never saw anyone mention this

[desert arch]

not even omni can hunt maia that well tbh, it dies to one combo

[woven bane]

the thing that’s hilarious about maia is that people think that it’s underperforming somehow, they haven’t figured out that it can do a lot of damadge and be oppressive thanks to it’s speed + ability to stunlock things

[real rain]

depend how you play, i was an omni and could fight a solo maia by pouncing him and running, but the fact a maia can litteraly hit an omni off another maia is real op

my teamate got clawed to death while pouncing on top of a maia

[desert arch]

oh Im not saying omni cant fight maia no, but it definetly packs way more of a punch than what was advertised

and it also has 3 mins of running stamina even a as a fg

[real rain]

as a carno the maia litteraly followed me until i ran out of stam

it is the only way to fight a maia at the moment

waiting for night and bitting him from the back

if they increase his night vision i'm hoping for stat balance

[safe flower]

yeah but just a little would be nice

i mean i literally couldnt see anything

[knotty solar]

@covert tiger so you don't want apexs to come to official?

[covert tiger]

i want them
you wrote 'rex should stay away from official'

[knotty solar]

reread it I accidently posted it to soon

[knotty solar]

and no I didn't

I just realized that doni said they may not come to official.

don said that

he said he didn't know what they wanted to do yet he said that about a year ago and we have not heard much on it since

[covert tiger]

you wrote two contradictory things
first line you say they should come to official
second line you say 'i think rex should stay away until trike'

[knotty solar]

Yeah because why release the rex who can kill everything?

plus thats what don even said that the rex would not be coming to official until something could actually kill it if they do go to offficial

[covert tiger]

because even when trike is there, rex will kill 'everything' that is not a trike

trike will not go around killing rexes, its too slow to do that

[knotty solar]

Yeah but the rex apprently has a huge diet system to where it has to hunt bigger dinos to actually fill its food if it just eats raptors all day its not gonna fill it up

its not just for balance its also so the rex actually has food to eat.

[covert tiger]

the current roster will have to live in fear and group up, the way troodons and raptors do when they see ceras coming

also, most rexes will kill each other

[knotty solar]

Cause there planning to remove the stego, maia is I'd say still to small dibble is way to small

[knotty solar]

but they can't eat each other remeber new diet system

[covert tiger]

ofc they can eat each other
diet has nothing to do with it
Its about territory and population control
too many rexes will starve

[knotty solar]

yeah on a post I had a few days ago I actually said this

"
With the upcoming addition of Rex and Trike, as well as other apex creatures in the future, it's crucial to emphasize their role as dominant forces in the ecosystem. Apex creatures, whether predators or not, should not be easily brought down by medium or small dinosaurs. Their status at the top of the food chain or as the most formidable in their niche should be reflected in their gameplay mechanics, ensuring they remain significant and challenging.

However, this doesn’t mean they should be invincible. For example, if a Rex were to face a coordinated herd of Diabloceratops, the herd's combined efforts could potentially fend it off and even win. Similarly, if a Trike were to confront a well organized group of medium sized predators, their numbers and strategy could allow them to overwhelm it. These scenarios reinforce the importance of teamwork and planning when dealing with apex creatures."

I do agree that things like dibble and stuff like that should be able to take down rex and things like that but not without losses in a 1 v1 the rex should win almost all fights with med-small tiered dinos but apexs is a little different ofc but even then it still depends

[woeful latch]

@woven bane #general-feedback message look, i ✅ your feedback, we’re not so different

hope, you’re happy now.

tenos and ceras unite against the greater enemy

[knotty solar]

exactly so why not add in the rex when it actually has food like the trike and again its so something can actually kill it

[covert tiger]

carnos, ceras, dibbles, maias and stegos are plenty of food
with that said, most cera and carno players will switch to rex immediately so at the end of the day rex will eat rex a lot anyway

[knotty solar]

Well, with stego being potentially taken off idk why the rex would eat carnos there 2 fast same thing with ceras and there kinda to small ngl maias dibbles are more allo food but I agree there I could see that, but things like shant, trike, para and things like that would be actual rex food I know there not in the game so we can't do nothing with that im not disagreeing with you but im also not 100% agreeing either I do still think trike needs to be added along side rex that also knocks 2 birds with 1 stone.

[knotty solar]

well as I said the rex can't eat other rexes there not known to have been cannis like cera and denio

[covert tiger]

they will not be cannis
they'll eat to survive in this game
wont get any diet from it, but it'll be a lot of meat so they'll kill anyway

[knotty solar]

only few dinosaurs in the isle will be able to eat each other I don't see rex eating each other now it could be who knows then they may change it when bigger herbis are added who knows but I don't see that really happening tbh

[knotty solar]

but what im saying is like for example if a dilo eats another dilo it gets sick from it only certain dinos are cannis like cera and denio

im not saying it can't eat each other it 100% can but you get effects from it because your not suppost to be eating each other like eating rotten meat

the rex isn't a savenger either

[lilac bolt]

it can be if necessary

[covert tiger]

yeah rex will probably get sick from eating rexes but will do so anyway for survival

[knotty solar]

I think rex will be a territorial where they'll hunt within a certain range cause rex isn't to fast anyways and if other rexes compete for food then maybe kinda like how carnos and ceras fight for food

[knotty solar]

why you'll just end up throwing up

and be even more worse in the long run better off starving at that point ngl

[covert tiger]

eating canni doesnt make you throw up it just gives you spasms

[knotty solar]

still effects you

sorry was thinking about stomach sickness

[covert tiger]

yeah spasms for most ppl are fine

[knotty solar]

im not saying yes or no as I said in my chat im saying most likely I don't see it ngl

[knotty solar]

thats even if you see another rex apprently they said rex is gonna be super slow

[covert tiger]

you'll see a ton of rexes, there wont be any shortage

most of them will be juvie or subadult though and they will get wrecked by everything else

[knotty solar]

from the dev who played as rex, rex running wasn't even faster then maia troting

rex is just built for size and I bet they'll change that up but I do know for a fact that doni did say the rex or trike were not gonna be fast animals what so ever

[covert tiger]

subadult will be its most vulnerable stage cause it'll be too big for ai and has to hunt players, but anything can kill it easily

[knotty solar]

I do agree with you there ngl

[knotty solar]

Now as we both know trike will be slow as dirt much like the dibble all trike is a bigger dibble lol and trike is built for defense I even hear the trike wouldn't have a hard time killing stegos even cause I mean lets be real the thing is built to kill rex

and other apexs like giga and crap

I bet the trike will have bleed on his side ngl

[knotty solar]

hay I updated the post so go check it out

[lapis crag]

I beg to differ. Apexes will require a ton of food. Stegos will be the first thing to go then they will look at dibble and then finally Trike. Trikes will likely outnumber the Rexes due to a comparatively ease of survivability. This means that how often a Rex comes across a trike it can actually attempt to kill will be rare and the ones it does find will not be an easy fight. So the easiest thing for a Rex to do will be to take the cannibal mutation and eat smaller Rexes. Reduces competition and keeps you fed. Granted things like Carno Deino and Herrera will also be slaughtering juvie Rexes but it will all contribute to a much smaller Rex population then in legacy.

[real rain]

thing is why have a dibble when you can have a trike?

i feel like the fact trex can pin dibble is going to make so nobody plays it, it will become the dryo when galli got released

[icy lion]

Because I want to play diablo, not trike

[real rain]

what is the advantage of a dibble if the first thing you encouter one shots you?

unless they do some dark magic to make trike and dibble have completly different gameplay the dibble will become almost useless against anything since you have a better option, the trike

[lapis crag]

You are proving my point trike will likely just play like a bigger dibble. So most dibble players will instead play trike

[real rain]

it's the problem with releasing more and more apexs, the old dino become trash

when maia will go out on evrima what will be the strong point of a teno? its slower, can put down less things, do less damage with the big hit

[summer olive]

then they should make it worth to play. same for dryo. dryo is the useless version of galli. with the ability to burrow it would be different from galli and more people would play it. same for dibble and trike. they gotta make dibble stand off from trike in some way and not make it the ´´smaller weaker trike´´

[real rain]

the only time i saw people play dryo was to joke around and get a screen shot, never afterwards because of how it is just a galli with the size and weight of a troodon

when trike will be out dibble will just be a smaller less strong trike

[lapis crag]

Nah I disagree with that. The problem is on the herbivore side specifically.

Getting food is a massive undertaking for carnivores. The bigger a carnivore you are the more food you need. This has the potential to create food shortages.

Herbivores do not have this problem. Finding their diets simply determines how long it takes them to grow. If they can find a way to put some type of challenge that needs to be overcame to reach adulthood for herbivores like there is for carnivores then the problem would be solved.

[real rain]

that is for sure, the only thing keeping evrima from massive herbi invasion is the fact that pz and mz are often bugged to the point of being unusable

[woven bane]

yes🗣

[summer olive]

@knotty solar They dont need to wait for trike to release rex. we already have stego and deino which would make a pretty fair competition for rex. (If they manage to balance them in the right way)

[real rain]

i think what is going to balance it will be the grow time

[summer olive]

especially that too

[real rain]

otherwise a t-rex can prob just run away from stego and not get grabbed by croc

[knotty solar]

as of rn stego would die they need to balance it

[knotty solar]

like that 100% worked in legacy yet they had rex familes of 5+ lol

[lapis crag]

People forget, sure Stego isn't as big as Trike. But Stego has that tail and getting around it is a pain. Rexes that are big enough to hunt Stego likely will not be agile enough to get around the thagomizers

[summer olive]

nah i dont think it will have more stamina or it least it shouldnt have more stamina than a stego, I mean yeah it should be a bit faster since its the carnivore to hunt stego and not the other way around, however it shouldnt be too overpowered. fighting a stego shouldnt be an easy win, but a high risk and a 50/50 chance

[summer olive]

exacly

[summer olive]

obviously, but that counts for most dinosaurs rn

[lapis crag]

That said. I still think hunting a Stego will be less dangerous then hunting a Trike or even another Rex

[summer olive]

shouldnt be

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hôn-gif-13940844880951211406

[real rain]

if it has the same stam as the maia it is for sure going to be an issue xD but otherwise i think having the same stam as the stego would be cool

[summer olive]

stego has its weakpoint on his front, while trike has his weakpoint on his behind so it shouldnt be much different

[lapis crag]

The weight of the animal is a major factor

[summer olive]

yeah, however maias stam is way to much. its out of balance compared to other playables currently, they definitely need to either nerf maias stam or give every other playable more stam

[real rain]

carno more stam and maia less stam

[lapis crag]

Both in game and irl. In game that determines health pool. Irl that determines a variety of things.

[summer olive]

carno needs to be balanced anyways cuz it gets 3 shot by a maia

[summer olive]

looking it up rn and as it seems trike was only VERY slightly heavier.

so shouldnt make a big difference

spikes in your face arent good no matter if its a trike or a stego xD

stego would be much more agile than trike. i mean trike cannot posibly swing his spikes around like stego can

so even with the weight difference the stego shouldnt be easier to take down

[woven bane]

[lapis crag]

So, Stego is nowhere near the size of Trike irl. I believe the Stego we have in game may even be a little big. Trike actually does weigh more than Rex irl. A good deal more.

Thagomizers are deadly, there is 0 doubt about that. But comparing Trike and Stego in a fight against a Rex. It's not a comparison. One more vastly outperform the other.

[summer olive]

as it says stegos weight ranged from 5 to 7 tons, while trikes weight ranged between 6 and 12 tons. however since there wont be individual weights for players lets assume the normal weight for the fg stego would be 6 tons and the normal weight for fg trike about 9 tons, still the trike is bulkier and has shorter legs, so stego would be way more agile

[summer olive]

so if the information on the internet is correct trikes sometimes may have been even smaller (Lighter) than stegos. however the trikes min to max weight range is much bigger than stegos

[lapis crag]

Triceratops. The species we are talking about. Did not weigh less then stego. To suggest is did. Is kind of silly.

[summer olive]

nah as you say theyre not to be compared. sure a trike can tank more dmg, but a stego could attack faster and in more ways than a trike, which makes it potentially more dangerous if played well. i think you know where im going with this. im saying the overall risk of hunting stego and trike should be overall simmilar even tho hunting them is different from one another

[summer olive]

trike: 6-12 tons
stego: 5-7 tons

so yeah the smallest trike is smaller than the biggest stego in that case, that was what im talking about

[lapis crag]

So where are you getting those numbers my guy

[summer olive]

simply wrote stego weight in google and did the same for trike

thats what it said

[lilac bolt]

try not to rely off of google for answers for stuff like that there are plenty of good officials sources for knowledge about dinos everywhere

[summer olive]

I orient on the very thirst thing that comes up. I assume google wont show me random fake sites

[lilac bolt]

the trike one should be fine never seen study smarter though

[summer olive]

hm well I dont know

[cosmic thorn]

I don't get why night was turned back into "log off and go play a different game" mode again. I played teno on the HT for a bit, and at night you can't see anything. You're just stumbling around blind. This is so dumb. What are you supposed to do when night falls? Sit and go AFK? People have better things to do.

[karmic plank]

@summer olive i agree with you. mia is a bit weak right now and carno is very useless but the fighting comes down to skill as well not just the dinos. dilo clones are broken atm and somtimes work and somtimes dont and so on lol.

[karmic plank]

not true at all. deino is only 8tons. and can only life half its weight unless they in water. rex is going to be 9.5 tons if i remember correctly. steggo and deino dont stand a chance vs rex

[summer olive]

I dont say maia is weak. Its pretty much good as it is. Too much stam perhaps. Well yeah it comes down to skill but im hearing it from everyone who plays carno that its basically a pain in the a to survive let alone nest as a carno. Im pretty sure not everyone who plays carno is a noob

[karmic plank]

yeah carno is as weak as a solo raptor at this point.

[summer olive]

In the chart it says rex is going to be 8.8 tons. Also rex can do little to nothing in the water. Crossing a river is deinos time to shine

[karmic plank]

its weight should have never been reduced and i dont feel like it hits hard either

[summer olive]

Exacly.

[karmic plank]

what chart? ive seen dev vids or others reveiwing rex stuff last i heard it was 9.5 tons. but either way it still has its bite and its gonna bite harder than a deino for sure.

[summer olive]

Someone just send me this:

[karmic plank]

so it could if it CAN be grabbed idk how the water weight works exactly but if it cant be grabed a deino would lose in a 1v1 rex even if in water

[summer olive]

Idk wether its outdated or not though

[karmic plank]

and with how tall a rex will be. it will be able to cross without swimming in the shallow parts

[icy lion]

It's fan-made aka unofficial

Rex was shown as being 9,350kg during a dev stream recently, but anything can change

[summer olive]

I think its not going to be grabable. However its gonna be really slow and especially slow in water, where deinos are much faster and have a good advantage. On land rex would win for sure, however in water im pretty sure deino would have a good chance, especially if they make rex's growth time longer

[karmic plank]

a full grown rex even in water. (if it cant be grabbed) would make it acrost before they manage to bite it to death

[summer olive]

Yes, but thats the same for stego. It can cross in the shallow parts. I think deinos have the best chance by attacking in a group when a rex is drinking

[karmic plank]

anyone know the exact like % a deino can grab if somthing swimming? ive heard its 65% of there 8ton weight

[summer olive]

I would be interested to know who had the higher biteforce

[karmic plank]

there is no way a rex it going to only be as tall as a steggo

that would be a tiny looking rex in compairson

[summer olive]

Yeah but damaged and therefore more vunerable to others

[karmic plank]

that is true for anything that makes it acrost getting bit by deinos lol

[summer olive]

No thats not what a i said! XD

[karmic plank]

but if it keeps its pin ability nothing solo could challenge it

[summer olive]

Good for stegos and trikes that they usually live in herds.

[karmic plank]

thats true but can they do enough damage to a rex before it kills what it pins? and on offficals its going to be hell for awhile cuz everyone and there mother going to be a rex when it drops

once they grow again ill be on semi real servers so i aint that worryed about it. but officals are going to suffer

[karmic plank]

do they post them? i havent seen anyting on the dev streams

[summer olive]

To answer shortly: yes 3 stegos would definitely kill a rex before it would get close enough

[icy lion]

They don't

[karmic plank]

any way to find them or no?

also can anyone elaborate on why they wouldnt be a good idea? for the nutrient post i made

[karmic plank]

how are ceras dieing to 2 stomps.... i have been playing dilo just now started a cera to see. but my dilo was takeing a beating from groups of mia while i fight them. so either somthing is wrong where cera is takeing more damage or none of them cera players had congenital for tha damage reduction. cuz my dilo took like 3+ stomps and still wouldnt die

and dilo is less hp if im not mistaken

[real rain]

they also spawn above water which i just don't like

they look like magots

[karmic plank]

i just thought they was feathers floating everywhere for no aparent reason lol

[neat scroll]

They look like little shrimp to me

[knotty solar]

@stuck rock I agree but only for some I don't think EVERY dino should get it lets be real rex don't need that LOL

[karmic plank]

so every time you kill right now you get a fatal error and have to restart your game....

[real rain]

it's pretty just random

when i logged for restart i just fatal errored

[karmic plank]

no every time we bite kill somthing we crash fatal error

[vital laurel]

Rex dwarfes Maia so probably taller than stego

[stuck rock]

yea thats for sure but i feel like the less you weight the faster u heal at least to some extend

[karmic plank]

every time it storms let me turn my sfx volume down to 10 till storm ends so my ears dont bleed...

[empty epoch]

@sudden shell we already have tips and facts in loading screens, no?

[sudden shell]

moreso general tips than interesting things of note

and theyre very generic tips

[empty epoch]

i can see it happening if it matches the new UI overhaul
still would want it to make sense

[mortal parrot]

@cinder haven That could just be the Twilight Hour where as Night Starts or ends it gets really dark

[neat scroll]

You heal faster with lower weight because your total health pool is smaller.

A dino with a health pool of 50 vs a health pool of 100 are going to look a lot different. With the same rate of healing, the first is getting to full health and the other is only halfway, even though they gained the same amount of health. More health = longer heal times unless you up the health scaling for each dino based on weight

[empty epoch]

but even then
we are getting toaster pop-ups back
so general survival tips to mechanics will also be given through them

[karmic plank]

so the mutations that make you do more damage. does that increase bleed damage as a raptor or just physical damage?

[sudden shell]

i believe it only applies to physical damage

[woeful latch]

@covert tiger #general-feedback message same, i’ve never had any issues with food as a herbivore, outside of lines not spawning

[mystic parcel]

@full pewter were one of the dinos youve caught a ptera which caused the crash?

[full pewter]

No first one was a Juvi Maia, and the second was a Juvi deino

Both in water

[mystic parcel]

ah weird, my friend got a fatal error from a ptera

i guess it literally is just something thats small

[full pewter]

Probably

[midnight heath]

@covert tiger https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1315183512709500958
Because if you have a set amount of food spawn in an area, and each food gives 1% - 5% per plant you're suddenly unable to sustain yourself with high %'s of nutrients after juvenile. Herbivores are constantly competing for shared nutrients with other species and with a set amount of spawns.

If you migrate and food is either bugged, eaten already or isn't enough you need to just wait until another MZ or PZ, MZs taking up to 2 hours to spawn and PZs being finicky; enough time to lose 2/3 nutrients. There's already a decent amount of competing. A sub-adult to adult Diabloceratops, Stegosaurus, or Maiasuarus may struggle to maintain a perfect diet due to these issues.

Carnivores aren't that hard either, starvation is an issue sure and should be; considering one deer can sustain and grow two omniraptors to adolescent with the new diet change. It's easier in my opinion to sustain high %s of diet as a carnivore than as a large herbivore. AI spawns around players and currently, in pretty high numbers.

Carno is genuinely the only carnivore I've ever had an issue sustaining diet for in high amounts.

I do understand people complaining that they gained 8% for // and have no other // spawning and now need to wait; by the time new // spawn they've already lost that hexagon.

[covert tiger]

Raptors fg are 450kg. Not a good comparison.
If there was a 450kg fg herbi, it would have absolutely no problem with diets. Just one tree would fill it up entirely too.

I completely acknowledge food being bugged and inedible is a problem, as I already mentioned.

But when it's not bugged, I think the scenario you mentioned is perfectly fine and not a problem.
Why should every herbi easily maintain perfect diet? They SHOULD have to struggle for it sometimes.

Yes I know there is competition and it should stay that way. Why is there an expectation that diet food should be available for everyone 24/7? If food values are increased we'll see every herbi reaching fg so quick without any issues.

[midnight heath]

I'm not saying they shouldn't struggle, I'm saying I understand the fustration but saying "Lmao have you played carnivore?" as if carnivore isn't just as forgiving with AI values and spawns.

[covert tiger]

I think carnivore is much harder to maintain diets with. Constantly have to be on the run to find the next diet source just like herbis - except the added danger of dying to other carnis any time. And after a certain growth, ai doesn't do much at all and it's a fight every time you want diets.

Of course this is perfectly fine. Carnivore should be harder.
But I said those words so that herbis realize that's they're already living in near paradise.

Ai spawns are absolutely not in high numbers.
They're borderline lower end of acceptable but have major major issues with pathing, always stuck on cliffs or inside rocks/trees.

[lilac bolt]

you do know know that herbivores also have the danger of dying to other carnivores right?

or am I reading this wrong?

[covert tiger]

No I meant herbis competing for food doesn't involve killing each other, except for a few situations where someone decides to go canni for fun

For carnivores I meant sniffing each others kills or competing for prey is an added danger

[lilac bolt]

ah ok yeah I can agree with that

[dry falcon]

i feel like the camera lock for dibble is good. But its done in the wrong way I think. I think just making the camera locked on the direction of the dibble would have been better.

because it doesnt follow your rotation making it a pain to turn in place

[livid blade]

anyone having this bug where after server restart you get your dino back?

[sudden shell]

rollbacks, youll always be reset to that same dino and place till they fix it

[stuck rock]

i know that yes but the Heal rate Maia went from Orange to green is im my eye same speed as Omnis healt Regen in Evrima Branch

[tight iron]

@gusty flax they might be doing that

cause dondi said "also, spiro is looking good now" in a stream

[desert arch]

If spiro makes a comeback Ill be jumping with joy

Hopefully not full size spiro though, that would be way too big of a map again💀

[tight iron]

same

but they better optimize it if they do

[desert arch]

I went back to spiro a few weeks ago just to check it out, joined the only server (it was empty sadly) and got a comfy 60fps on locked

[limber hull]

if spiro comes back, it wont be what you consider spiro lol

[desert arch]

If its smaller than gateway Ill be happy

[tight iron]

most likely

[golden horizon]

@hasty fractal it is, you get lines as omni

[wintry cipher]

Maia is apparently on troodons diet as well. Got nutrients from it and could scent it, it just wasnt on the list.

[crimson mauve]

guys, what happened to the isla in the last update? There are so many bugs: dinosaurs are not saved, strange strange sounds, problems with nesting, crashes from the game, incomprehensible balance of dinos, sticks getting stuck in the mouth, a problem with sounds and this is only a small part...

Herbivores and carnivores are completely unbalanced. Why does Tenontasaurus hit Carnotaurus on the tip of its tail?
The Carnotaurus has no advantages at all, its weight has been removed, it barely kills the Tenonta, let alone the Diablique. The Cerotosaurus has at least charge and turns, while the Carnotaurus has only acceleration and clumsiness. He barely kills the cerotosaurus...

[limber hull]

you gonna type this in every channel or what

[narrow narwhal]

the answer is yes

[crimson mauve]

Why not?

[urban flax]

Because spamming is against the rules

[crimson mauve]

I wanted someone to answer it

[icy lion]

@coarse spruce A UI indicator is planned

[tame jetty]

@safe flower dibble has exact same problem. In night some minutes, legit only see the eyes of your atracker. Had to fight Utah pack in this dark on dibble other day. Just because of that nearly got ended. But luckily day came..

The pitch black in nightvison, really need to be tweaked for better

[boreal briar]

@spiral stump i mean.. In game that's probably a bit over an hour. So technically almost right 😛

[urban flax]

Considering the day-night cycle is 60 minutes, 15 minutes actually equates to 6 hours
That's how long deino can hold its breath

[spiral stump]

but u need longer under the water for someone to come drink, u basically have 10 minutes of a hunting window which is stupid

[latent olive]

deinosuchus being able to effectively hold its breath underwater for 6 hours is realistically scary as hell

[icy lion]

@zenith scroll Planned

[zenith scroll]

sweet

[lone cave]

why dinosuchus dont have maia in diet

[teal fulcrum]

i partially agree with this. deinos gameplay is pretty weird. i often just hid behind some rock and went underwater when I heard other players. this allowed me to not waste oxygen.
devs should consider making more dense bushes along rivers so that deinos can breathe there while remaining invisible to players on land

[spiral stump]

fax

[teal fulcrum]

haves. maia giving him // diet

[icy lion]

@cursive wave Rex and allo are both being worked on

[cursive wave]

i know
but we need too wait (i would guess) about 3-8 Months
And The Dibble is Alr too Strong in my opinion like
irl he weights about 300kg and in The Isle 3000kg the heaviest Dinosaur from the Carnis is 1300kg
like if they add 2 extremly heavy Herbis it would be better to have atleast 1 carni with them that weights more then 2t

[paper galleon]

literally the maia will overlap the utahs and carnos, as they will no longer be able to do anything at all

[paper galleon]

can I ask why when the maia was introduced there has not been any carnivore rivaling this one?, I mean, if the game was already unbalanced, now it is even more so

[cursive wave]

Ye i think it would be better when We get 1 Herb and 1 Carni because of Balancing

[paper galleon]

in addition to that the plants are still booming and there is very little food, in addition to that it gives very little food/diet

[icy lion]

Maia was planned to release after rex, but was developed faster because its mechanics are less complicated than rex's

[cursive wave]

would be better if Maia comes with Allo in my opinion

[paper galleon]

yes, but the rex is not a rival for the maia, since it is an apex, it is much stronger, I mean a carnivore of its dimension, since right now the only thing that kills the maias are maias, stegos or dibbles, if the carnivores can is because they are mix pack

[mighty girder]

Ive seen plenty of ceras and even a few carnos kill fg maias. You do not need to mixpack at all.

[lilac bolt]

of course it would be nice just not how development turned out unfortunately. just gonna have to wait a little longer for larger carnivores ig

[cursive wave]

would rather wait longer then have a unbalanced game

[paper galleon]

let me tell you that you need to be at least 5 or 6, besides, maia has just come out, people don't know how to play it, we will have to give it more time, but come on, almost always go 2 or more maias, you are talking about several ceras against only 1 maia when that normally doesn't happen, so I don't take it into account

[paper galleon]

yeah

[safe flower]

seriously, finally someone agrees with me

[tame jetty]

Many many people agree in this! It's a problem for us all

[safe flower]

word

i hope they fix it

[mellow laurel]

@hasty fractal Maia is on diets of some like omni,carno and i think dilo but doesn't actually show it is.

[vagrant sapphire]

@pine dock Maia is fast yeah, but you cant expect an almost 4 ton animal to do almost no damage. Anything that weight that can trampel, does some real big damage. Yes its a bully right now, I agree, but there will be changes to Maia when it releases. Maybe weight or speed changes, but that depends on the Devs. So dont lose hope yet.

[naive meteor]

This is a good point, Maias quad stance should focus soley on combat/defense while bipedal is about getting away. Atm Maia bipedal stance is basically OG spiro carno with the unhinged knockdown atm and there's no point to enter quad stance. Just watched a Maia facetank a dibble testing this myself rn

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message @knotty solar 15 meters tall ? Are you sure about that ?

That is taller than a brachiosaurus

[urban flax]

That's half of the value you mentioned in your feedback post

[urban flax]

Where did you get that ? I didn't see a single estimate above 18 meters

[knotty solar]

If you think brach is 15 meters tall the cama is taller then it LOL

[urban flax]

Isn'tcama like 8-10 meters tall ?

[knotty solar]

The Camarasaurus, a towering member of the sauropod family, was a colossal dinosaur, standing approximately 18–23 meters tall and weighing an incredible 47 metric tons.

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure you're mistaking length and height here

[urban flax]

Where the hell are you getting these estimates

Anyway
Shant wasn't 15 meters tall, that's all I wanted to point out.

[knotty solar]

yeah it was

[urban flax]

Do you realize how big 15 meters is ?
A 15 meters tall shant would crush rex under its feet
It wouldn't even be able to see it as it walks over it

For instance rex is like 3-4 meters tall

(which is already a lot)

[lilac bolt]

15m in length not height

[knotty solar]

Ok so it was 5 m tall, but it still weighted in more then the rex did

[urban flax]

I don't deny that

[knotty solar]

Im talking about IRL rex not media rex cause IRL rex wasn't that big in terms of dinosaurs

[urban flax]

No, irl rex was about 3-4 meters tall, which is already a lot

[knotty solar]

Well, I was gonna say how tall a dino is doesn't mean it can crush you cause lets be real if a rex tried to kill a shant all the shant had to do was ram the rex and step on one of those legs and that rex is screwed

But as I said I don't think rex would have even hunted shant even if it lived together cause shant came from china I mean yeah good food but it was so big and you risk getting very hurt

[urban flax]

I don't think rex hunted shant either

Did they even live in the same ecosystem actually ?

[knotty solar]

It couldn't they didn't even live near each other shant was on the other side of the world

[knotty solar]

rex lived in Western NA and shant lived in china

[urban flax]

Yeah, just checked it

[knotty solar]

So, they would have never had met I was just saying even if they did live together I still don't think rex would have hunted it cause all it took was one wrong mistake and your legs could be stepped on or you could be kicked or stomped

[icy lion]

Didn't edmontos get predated by rexes?

[knotty solar]

I could say the same thing with cama or even anky I don't think anky even had that much meat anything I mean 60% of the dinosaur was bone (idk the exact number my guess) so the risk in even killing one wasn't worth it

and cama its so large that even if you did try to kill it you'd just be smacked by the tail or even shoved under it or it just shoves you out of the way

[icy lion]

They're effectively the NA shant (though not quite as massive)

[knotty solar]

Yes

[knotty solar]

It was a little taller then the shant but the shant had a huge weight gap on it I think the shant weighted in at 18 tons or so and the edmont was only around 5 tons so I could see where your saying but the weight on the dinosaur plus how tall it was and its power idk if the rex would take that chance cause in fossil records it shows that even edmont fought back by kicking and stomping

[urban flax]

Edmonto was discovered to be bigger than that, more like 12 tons now

[knotty solar]

well still shant still has a huge gap between them

if its 18 tons thats still a 6 ton difference which is a lot lol

[knotty solar]

so 18 tons was a bit more on the high end for shant but some records do show that the animal got around that size quite a bit but they were around 15-16 tons but could be even as light as 14 tons but from everything Im seeing it depended how much food is there cause shant lived in herds

[full pewter]

Note there was probably a lot of individual variation for size in hadrosaurs. You could get species where on average they get 30-35ft and 3-4tons, but then suddenly find a 45ft 15ton example. Parasaurolophus is the best example of this.

[mental ridge]

thoughts?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

aint no way someone thinks spiro is the "best map ever put out" LMAO

[junior nymph]

@tawny gale no way you said spiro is the WORST map due to low fps and bad map design the older versions were decent

[paper galleon]

added the compis?, and why are they like that?

[limber hull]

they're a little stupid

[knotty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-help-me-gif-18351511120546678838

[knotty solar]

compys rn lol

[uncut zephyr]

statement made by the utterly deranged

[boreal briar]

@feral marlin you can eat bodies you find and their young. Its not a bad deal when they're so common right now

[feral marlin]

@boreal briar I don't want carno to be a "juvie" hunter, any carnivore can achieve that much. And you have to think about the future once everyone has tried out Maia and the population stabilizes. Having only galli (which won't feed a full grown carno) and dryo (which hardly anyone ever plays) just isn't enough. Id like full grown prey that can be taken down by a full grown carno. What you are suggesting is just a bandaid to a bigger problem.

[barren quarry]

@echo mason You can see the game version in the top left corner when you're ingame. Current Hordetest Version should be 0.18.92

[echo mason]

Thank you!!!!

[woven bane]

it’s subjective

[desert arch]

Funny thing is, Ive managed to solo carnos as galli lmao
Poor carno is just a punching bag now.

[limber hull]

thing is, it really isnt if you understand how level design works

[woven bane]

i do, dosent take away from the fact that it’s still preferences

[desert arch]

Spiro was just a worse map, that played better. Simple as that.

[tight iron]

bruh

me when ppl have opinions

[junior nymph]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats crazy

[split saddle]

i can disagree with you too ❤️ (should of tagged me too friends)

[tight iron]

ikr

calling someone utterly deranged for having an opinion is just so frickin stupid

"no way he thinks spiro is a better map cause it's more open and you can find ppl more easily!! he's utterly deranged!!"

[junior nymph]

exactly lol

[limber hull]

it did not play better, but it is a worse map

reaching lows of literal 1FPS is not great

[desert arch]

I downloaded spiro a couple weeks ago, loaded into an empty server and got a stable capped 60fps, even on a completely empty gateway server I can barely push 40

And it playing better or not is completely subjective, depending on what you enjoy in the game the most

[woven bane]

not at all. spiro dosent have as much assets, i was getting around 80 fps back on 6.5 i’m barely pushing 40’s now

[tight iron]

level design worse i don't know what's worse, a map full of plains with a river in the middle of a map where you can't see what's in front of you and it's only forests rocks and cliffs

fall damage simulator

[limber hull]

key word empty

[tight iron]

millions of bugged textures, fall damage simulator, definetely not a good design

[desert arch]

Early gateway had good optimisation, but I lost half my fps since then

[tight iron]

i lost over half

from 180 to 70

[paper galleon]

right now carno is the most useless playable in the game, even playing utah is better

[tight iron]

ripperoni

[limber hull]

spiro still hit me with a whopping 2FPS in centre when populated

truly height of optimisation

[desert arch]

Ive had 0fps on gateway

I wish I was joking

[lilac bolt]

honestly I don't optimization has ever been a key point for evirma in general

[desert arch]

Yeah that too

[woven bane]

i get 50 frames at best if the gateway map is empty

[woven bane]

easy solution just remove some of the rocks or unnecessary assets

[limber hull]

they did

[woven bane]

yea but it’s not enough

[limber hull]

frankly, the argument of "spiro optimised" is such a moot point when we're talking "better map"

[woven bane]

dude u literally brought it up

[limber hull]

i did not

i was rebutting someone else

[woven bane]

he wasn’t referring to that i’m pretty sure

[limber hull]

i cant imagine what else he was referrign to lol

[woven bane]

@desert arch

[desert arch]

Yeah I didnt mean optimisation, I meant general gameplay

[woven bane]

the map is more engaging and isn’t dead unlike our current one

[barren crater]

deino map 😂

[desert arch]

Spiro cannibal deino was peak tbh

Me and a friend killed 50+ deinos in a week as a duo

[barren crater]

It was fun for the deinos i guess. Having most of the playerbase in the waters wasn't it, which is why I think Spiro sucked

Good pvp map though

[limber hull]

sandbox map

[junior nymph]

@tulip ice maia def does not need more damage lol its just a skill issue imo

[jolly hawk]

why ppl dont want the ptero applying bleed?

if a trodon can, he can.

[limber hull]

one's got teeth and one doesnt

[woven bane]

one thing about gateway i despise is how finding players is annoying

[limber hull]

i prefer the fact that finding players is less of a given, personally

i dont like how spiro was just kind of... constant action

[jolly hawk]

I'm going to peck you with a dino almost the same size as a human and see if it doesn't pierce you and bleed to death.

[junior nymph]

you gotta remember most dinos on the roster have thick skin a human dont

[jolly hawk]

but say because he dont have teeth, dont bleed is a dumb argument

[junior nymph]

I did not say that @limber hull did

[limber hull]

also, more importantly, ptera is not meant to be a huge hunter

just because its a carnivore doesnt mean its a hunter

[woven bane]

hoping on the game and expecting to have some fun just to walk around for an hour. very disappointing, the main flaw with gateway

[limber hull]

id prefer it to the pvp bloodbowl that was spiro

i like being encouraged to explore and find new things

[lilac bolt]

Just one day they need to find a good balance between the two and it'd be amazing

[woven bane]

honestly yea

[woven bane]

you strike me as the type of person to either main herrera or beipi

[limber hull]

i do like those animals

i also like troodon

[urban flax]

Absolutely not
He's a stego main through and through

[limber hull]

i keep forgetting how much i main stego

might be because i try my best never to have to play it

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1315646115713912842
adding on to this:
what would be really cool would be to go full clownfish mode - the largest individual in a group becomes female

[woven bane]

yea it’s fun to play, little goblin

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

[covert tiger]

@karmic isle 'no match for a charging rex' nah they're way too fast with crazy stamina pool to be caught by a rex
The rex would need a perfectly timed slightly lucky ambush to catch one

Allos have a chance yes but would need multiple, and if there's like 4-5 maias then even the allos don't have a chance

Currently Maia is stomping and stunlocking dibbles
Allos will be a similar weight
At these sizes you should be immune to the stunlock

[tame jetty]

@covert tiger maia is meant to be able to run away from a hunter if it isn't ambushed and see its hunter. So making it slower than cerato would just make it a food bag for cerato, and other carnivores

[covert tiger]

It should 100% not be slower than cerato
Maias speed can stay as it is
Please read again, I mentioned swim speed not run speed

I agree it's a defensive runner and should stay that way

You X me for no reason lol

[valid oracle]

@hoary shell your galli was teleported back to the cliff you jumped from, it’s a sign

[wintry cipher]

Maia being on carnos diet is fine. Carno just hunts the small babies/adols. It should get diet from those.

[covert tiger]

Yeah thats actually true

[hoary shell]

Yes? I dont have galli check video.. 🫡

#general-feedback message

2 hour rollback

[valid oracle]

btw public branch servers are experiencing rollbacks, likely because of the hordetest being live and getting updated

[tame jetty]

My bad, read wrong 👍

[valid oracle]

i wouldn’t recommend growing anything for now, or play on community servers

[covert tiger]

@wintry cipher doesn't need a pin
If the prey is that small, it's gonna die in a bite or two after getting knocked down anyway
Those 3 attacks are over 500dmg already

[fair geyser]

Hey guys instead of working on new species let’s make evirma playable… I can’t even grow somthing, safe logging and come back without ALL my progress being deleted. Totally unplayable

[mental ridge]

ive never had that problem... im not saying its not happening to you but this is the first time ive heard of it.

[tame jetty]

Unless you encounter trolls/cheaters, @frozen pivot maia speed isn't a problem because he is a runner away. Only time he would normally be fighting other herbivores, would be over territory, its food Bush and personal space ect

[frozen pivot]

i dont know how reducing the weight of the running knockdown would hurt it being a runner. it still can stun big things while running, and knock them down while trotting. This would stop the knockdown from being an offensive move on dinos that can't outrun it.

[livid blade]

Anyone having this bug where after server restart u "rollback" ?? Even the Dino revives from the Dead

[marble bear]

yes..like everyone is having this bug...good if ur dino died for some dumb decision...

[tight iron]

everyone is a troll then

the likelihood of not being chased down and killed one by them is minimal

[hidden mist]

I saw it coming zepacot... I didn't have time to read about Pachy, but I think that it needs to break its skull every time it rams.

[boreal briar]

@daring talon were you an herbivore? Or a carnivore.
Herbivores know where it is at all times, but carnivores have to wait until it's shown so the herbivores have a chance to start moving first

[daring talon]

carnivore

[leaden violet]

My conspiracy theory opinion is that the evrima branch not saving progress was done intentionally to force people to go play hordetesting, due to the low player count in previous hordetesting events.

[indigo gulch]

🤨

[boreal briar]

It's an issue in HT and was a problem long before the current HT was in play..

[leaden violet]

It’s not the persistent issue on HT like it is currently on evrima.

[boreal briar]

Doesn't mean it's intentional to shove people into HT either. I doubt they'll have a player count issue with a new dinosaur being in the HT.

[leaden violet]

Hence why I started by stating “conspiracy theory”

[shut hare]

Has there been any meaningful update on their progress of fixing the official servers' rollback issue?

[golden horizon]

@karmic isle There is no way a rex would catch a maia, which has the same speed as omni

[karmic isle]

by no match I meant attack wise, they would have to run or die to the Rex. Because people are complaining about how OP Maia is now and I agree, but it will need something similar to its current stats to stand a chance against bigger carnivores. I just like the idea of them all scattering when a predator ambushes and it should be balanced like that, compared to a predator ambushing and instead the Maias are like "oh yeah well we'll all just turn around and fight the Rex" like no you'll die. But if they slow Maia down some that would make it easier for these predators to catch one and for all the other inhabitants of the island to stand a chance not getting mowed down on sight

[golden horizon]

Yeah but i would hope that problem would be solved with the introduction of allo

[tame jetty]

@woeful latch small creatures can already escape maia, they're quick and outmanuver maia easily as well. + small, easily hides or lose maia if they need to retreat from a hunt

[woeful latch]

say that to cera/teno

or like literally anything else

[indigo gulch]

cera small?

[tame jetty]

Don't hunt maia if you don't think you can handle it 👍 and for teno, don't provoke maia by taking it's food if it doesn't wanna share, be in personal space if don't wanna herd and don't bully their young!

[woeful latch]

not to mention how it’s literally faster than semiaquatic teno

[buoyant narwhal]

I think a major issue is the fact Maia doesn’t have any preds rn + its popularity means they’re everywhere. Hopefully when we get bigger carnivores it will make these kinds of stats feel more fair.

[woeful latch]

3.8t vs 1.3

[woeful latch]

that’s not how balance works

[indigo gulch]

yeah but I wouldnt say cera is small

[woeful latch]

if there’s something to hunt it doesn’t mean that the rest of the roster won’t get owned by maia

[indigo gulch]

small would be maybe troodon/hypsi/omni/dilo

[buoyant narwhal]

Maia shouldn’t be able to plow everything down though. And run forever. Tanky animals aren’t marathon runners

[indigo gulch]

but they aren't speedsters either

[woeful latch]

read my feedback, i said “smaller” not small lmao

[buoyant narwhal]

I don’t mind Maia being fast, but it’s speed needs partial nerfs, and its stam + stam usage needs greater nerfs

[woeful latch]

it also shouldn’t be faster swimmer than teno💀

[indigo gulch]

bro almost everything is smaller than it :/

[woeful latch]

like i have no idea why anyone would want maia to be a fast swimmer

that just doesn’t make sense

[woeful latch]

yeah, whole roster is getting owned by maia, everything that is smaller

i guess people are too “hyped” so they just want maia to be perfect and good for everything

[buoyant narwhal]

I like the suggestions around bipedal Maia being for evasion, and quad Maia for attacking.

[indigo gulch]

I doubt that, I've read a lot of backlash and nerf suggestions

[woven bane]

minority

[buoyant narwhal]

At its current balance, Maia doesn’t really work, even when stronger specs are released to cull it. I think when it stops out-manoeuvring small, more agile dinos then it’ll be fine.

[faint folio]

@cedar trellis while I agree Maia is the first mid tier, and that means it will be stronger than all the small tiers... It needs to coexist with small tiers. I'm not saying small tiers should EZ kill Maia, but they need to be able to survive encounters with Maia, in the sense that they should be able to take a concrete action to avoid/evade/escape Maia if they can't fight it. It seems like Maia is able to run down small tiers with its stamina and speed... If mid tiers are better in every way compared to low tiers, then there is no incentive to play low tiers and the ecosystem will collapse

[desert arch]

Today I casually ran down a teno as a fg maia until it was completely out of stamina, and I still had enough myself to shove+stomp combo it to death

I genuinely almost felt bad, it even tried using bushes and the forest to escape, but it was just completely at my mercy

[buoyant narwhal]

^^^ low tiers should be able to evade it, which they can’t do rn.

[cedar trellis]

Thanks for reading!

[faint folio]

You're welcome! I enjoy reading suggestions

[faint folio]

And that's a problem. I'm worried that once apexes arrive, we'll get the legacy meta again where most people just grow apexes, especially with some of the commentary from devs about how powerful Rex will be

Why should I bother growing a teno when Maia and Edmonto exist and are in every way superior for both fighting and survival?

[covert tiger]

@solar salmon performance is in a good place right now this patch
what settings are you on and what pc are you using?

[cunning anvil]

@icy lion a healthy debate and insight on why you disagreed? It just seems undeniably good for me, want to hear your side if that would suit you.

And the two other people who X’ed

[icy lion]

I don't want a BoB clan situation of unkillable dinos

The very reason it's capped at 6 is to prevent people from being too strong, it's also why a lot of the more impactful mutations fight for slot 2

[cunning anvil]

Oh, I understand slightly, Ive never played BoB, but I think I get the “clanning” consequence hmm.

[cunning anvil]

Oh is it designed that way so that more impactful mutations dont get picked together?

[icy lion]

Yup

[cunning anvil]

Its actually a very interesting decision for a game with a confirmed route towards making genetics play a huge part in the loop.

In my opinion, you die when you die, and stacking mutations is a fun idea, if not the most OP thing. Because when the situation is not in your favor, your iron stomach along with your huge lungs stacking with your bleed resist and low thirst drain cannot save you from certain death. I dont know about BoB clans, but it is a powerful aspect of the Isle.

I hope things get better in elders.

I got excited when I got this (probably widespread) idea, literally all I did was search for pair to give birth to better dinos for like 3 hours. Until I learned its not possible in the discord.

I am talking from a completely personal perspective, but what else there is to make nesting better?

What keeps hypers and tissos from forming a cult and becoming unkillable dinosaurs? Their debuffs. So after a while, from continuous breeding, offsprings could form deformities along with their stacking mutations.

There is a ton of way to creatively solve a problem, and strengthening a very interesting aspect of the game,

Rather than cutting corners off, to prevent undesirable outcomes. It becomes less intriguing that way. Cool ideas go to waste.

Its sad.

And lorewise its immensely cool, maybe some strains could be integrated this way. What do you think @empty epoch if you bother reading :]

Immensely random ping moment

[empty epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189952551290929274/1232732813585944616/image0-2.gif

[cunning anvil]

Lmaoo

I mean nesting and mutations are such powerful things isle could use mechanically and integrate with lore.

If, with elders, the “loop” becomes all personal “buffs” and “pluses” and nesting stays the same as a minor buff of inheritance im going to waa-waa to death.

[narrow field]

#general-feedback message
Great idea until the inevitable clans invade and grind out ridiculously OP dinos😭😭🙏🏻

[fair geyser]

Has been happening to everyone I know too…very weird

[leaden prism]

@sonic island on top of that, what's the point of being on all fours? if being on 2 gives you faster run speed, why would you ever want to be on fours?

[sonic island]

I think they'll make it the more stamina-efficient mode

[leaden prism]

it seems so unusual for that idk, that's the point of walking I figured lol.

[sonic island]

yeah but what if quadrupedal walking gave you significantly faster stam regen
then you could use bipedal walking when you want to conserve stam as much as possible while also getting away fairly quick
quadrupedal walking is the next best thing to sitting (especially how long that takes maia)

[fast sail]

I think quadru gives you a better turn radius along with the kick? Maybe it’s a more defensive position when running away from something which you can’t actually outrun, either because it’s faster than you in bipedal or because you’re on low stamina

Unsure though

[limber hull]

it does seem to give you a slightly better running turn

but its honestly quite negligible, especially when you consider the attacks and speed you're giving up

[leaden prism]

Good point, if that's intentional how long their animations are stuck for

I feel as though you should have more knockdown-ability and resistance when on all fours

[sonic island]

really? I'd say the bipedal stance is better for knocking down, because it would let the maia get their center of gravity higher than the opponent's center of gravity, making it easier to tip

[leaden prism]

Based off the attacks it performs, I just figure standing firmly on all 4 would mean you can't easily be thrown off balance. As for knocking down, that's also debatable but I could see that too except it gives biped stance too much power + the speed. I also figure with its spine bent and it balancing on the back legs, it doesn't have as much weight thrown into the stomps if it were on all 4 where its weight has to be hoisted up and slammed back down into the stomp with more force than just the aerial smacks it does.

it also deals 0 bleed I notice

[limber hull]

i dont think anything maia does bleeds, not even its back kick

[leaden prism]

^

Dilo eating well this patch

[limber hull]

pretty notable combat downside given how much bleed can shake up a fight

dilo still needs some adjustments imho. if they made its hallucinations actually interactable, i'd be fine with it

right now its literally easy baby mode

[leaden prism]

yeap, and Maia's NV is atrocious, free meals for dilos

[pale venture]

the terrible night vision is good because maia needs some weaknesses

[leaden prism]

Oh I agree, it's just also it doesn't deal bleed, its damage is horrifically low, overall it just doesn't look very interesting lol

[limber hull]

i wouldnt say it doesnt look interesting at all

it has great speed, high weight, a unique stance based control system, great group size, massive amounts of eggs per nest, plenty of CC and so on

i think just because it has poor damage and NV doesn't make it uninteresting

[pale venture]

they should atleast buff the rear kick damage

and obviously nerf the weight threshold for the stomp

because maias stomp makes fg dibbles fly

[bronze atlas]

Is nesting fixed in this new patch?

[limber hull]

Seems to be

[junior nymph]

@storm aurora .Multichambered Lungs-reduce stamina regeneration threshold (Drain 6-8 full bars of stamina by sprinting or fast swimming. Unlocks on Slot 2/3.)

if you were to add the mutation idea it would make this one useless as it would be easier to get and better in general

also 50% is CRAZY

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @split vine why not run 🧍‍♂️

[junior nymph]

@split vine you know they can blitz things right? the damage aint that bad plus max speed is 49.3 so yes from what you said its fast but low damage

[limber hull]

the need for combat runs deep in the veins of all isle players

[rocky remnant]

@split vine drift brother

[junior nymph]

even so its combat is good 3.8T carno people just dont know how to play it

I was able to solo a group of 3 ceras, a group of 5 dilos and otherthings

and even so its a herd animal it can deal a good amount of damage in a group its not meant to be played solo

[limber hull]

now now

dont go down the dark dirty road of the herd animal thing

[indigo gulch]

Im more looking at the “fast with low damage or slow with high damage” comment

It….it is fast. That’s why it doesn’t do a lot of damage

[limber hull]

i love the fact that the "fix to stam" is to make a mutation that's so overpowered that if you don't get it, you lose every fight you enter against those who do

[junior nymph]

lol

stam aint even that bad

[limber hull]

it really isnt. its only bad for those who dont know how to manage it

[cold garden]

i didn't like the 'new' stamina system at first but now that i played with it for a while i love it. it definitely makes players think a lot before they enter a fight which tends to feel very cool in play rather than everyone charging everything guns blazing because you sit down for 10 seconds in a bush and your batteries are good and ready to go again lol

definite no on that stam mutation. i already hate the gamebreaking mutations as it is ( gastro healing / nocturnal / photo tissue ), don't need to add yet more

and DEFINITELY no stacking mutations. the two games i know that have a system like that are either severely unbalanced because of it ( day of dragons ) or had to make lots of changes to try and make it less so ( beasts of bermuda )

game is already severely weighted to those who have a group of buddies by the nature of the thing, no need to make it so a solo player literally has zero chance

[limber hull]

yea, meta muts already feel like the strip the game of fun

the entire system is less of a system of self-expressive gameplay and more like a quiz where the wrong answers result in punishment

[hasty fractal]

Carno has maiasaura in his diet but Cera doesn't have it in his diet, I don't understand how this happens. #general-feedback message

[junior nymph]

I noticed that the second the update dropped lol at first I thought it was a bug but nope... prob cause cera cant escape a maia

[limber hull]

wouldnt it need to scavenge maia tho?

[golden horizon]

@solar salmon what's your PC specs?

[woven bane]

it does kill an omni in a single combo

[junior nymph]

yeah I would assume it would be lines when rotten though

[tight iron]

well the current stam system broke many crucial things about the game so uh

changing it wasnt a bad idea but what we have right now is close to the worst possible system we could've ever gotten

something that not even as a prank i could've thought of

that being said, fixing it by creating a mtuation is a horrible idea

[limber hull]

you keep saying that but objectively there's nothing proving it broke anything crucial about the game

[tight iron]

there is, you just refuse to see it

i've already explained it many times before

[limber hull]

because i see your proof as nothing but opinion pieces. the game has not had anything crucially broken

the old stamina system caused more issues imho

[tight iron]

it's not opinions, it's facts

the fact that bucking was broken, for example, is a fact

now it's on you to decide if you want to deny what's obvious or accept it

[tight iron]

wasn't perfect whatsoever

[limber hull]

bucking has literally never been in a good spot, even before the stam changes

there has never been a single update where bucking isnt somewhat either useless or extremely annoying

you as a raptor player should know more than ever that bucking was just about as turbulent in its balancing before and after the stam changes

[tight iron]

it was somewhat functional before

yeah it wasn't great but it wroked decently

[limber hull]

"somewhat functional"

high bars we're setting, and it still was invalidated by just scraping off the raptors

[tight iron]

and, say, if it didn't work, there's still so many things that are broken

[limber hull]

bucking hasnt really changed at all in terms of usefulness tbh lmao

[tight iron]

wasn't a death sentence for the prey before

worked decnetly well

[limber hull]

it was

drained your stamina like crazy

it was invalidated entirely by water and terrain, still is

[tight iron]

yeah but at the same time, the stamina of the raptors went to hell

well raptors and troodons

but since they could get it back in a reasonable timeframe, it wasn't horrible

[desert arch]

Spending 90% of your stamina as a dilo to buck off your attacker in 8 seconds wasnt really worth it tbh

[limber hull]

if we're using bucking as our gotcha point for why the new stam system is bad, you're really ignoring how badly designed the mechanic has been throughout its existence

[tight iron]

who said it's only bucking

[limber hull]

bucking is the problem, nothing to do with the system

[tight iron]

cause i didn't

[limber hull]

its what you used as your starting point, so i'd assume its one of the stronger ones

[tight iron]

i've already explained all my points, which you refuse to accept for whatever reason, many times before

[tight iron]

i guess that's fair, but again i never said it's only bucking

[lilac bolt]

neither did he. never said anything about it being the only point just as it being a main one since it was the first one you brought up

[tight iron]

he stated "if we're using bucking as our gotcha point"

that tells me that he believes it's the only one

cause it's our gotcha point, yknow, when there's infinite

[limber hull]

i acknowledged you had others

i just dont think bucking is a strong one

[tight iron]

alr then that's my bad if i didn't notice

[tight iron]

that's fine, there's many more

[woven bane]

@waxen crane what you on about lmao

#general-feedback message

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
I'm pretty screwed if my teno finds itself face to face with a generation 4 diabloceratops that can run at 43.2km/h

I can definitely see this giving rise to a lot more metagroups existing entirely just to coordinate nesting and breeding super dinosaurs

[cold garden]

in regards to bucking.. that is the point. It encourages 'think' before 'do' unlike the old stamina system which recovered so fast there wasn't really any punishment for making a wrong choice - you could theoretically successfully buck a raptor off, and it can hop back on in full stam in like 10 seconds lol. This is meant to be a hardcore survival game, removing most punishment from biting off more than you can chew wasn't ever in the spirit of it. Hearing you're an omni main makes your opinions on stam make a lot of sense lol but everything else was actually buffed with the stamina change

Personally though I'd revert the stamina back to the old system if they ever implement like a deathmatch mode again because that was historically always a life fast die young sort of game mode and sitting around healing was never in the spirit of it

that said, bucking has never once worked for me. never once have i gotten the animation to trigger on any dino i've been pounced on. I've always used terrain scraping or water if I need to get the raptor off -now- or I'll simply wait it out to bleed out all the raptor's stamina if i can afford to do so lol

[tight iron]

me being a raptor main doesn't change anything tho

i'm not biased, my opinions are irrelevant, it's only facts that matter

not like i dedicate myself to only raptor, i play a lot of teno as well

[tight iron]

i would be stating very different things if my opinions mattered instead of facts and logic

that said tho, there was punishment of wasting stamina, which, sure, for 1 mistake, wouldn't do much, but continous mistakes would destroy your stamina

right now, there is both overpunishment and zero punishment

overpunishment because the stamina that you use is gone, you're not getting it back, and zero punishment because you can just alt bite the face off whatever is attacknig you even when out of stamina

frankly, it doesn't encourage anything but instead form an overcomplicated snowball of errors that end up messing everything up. it wasn't perfect before, absolutely needed some tweaks, however the "tweak" we got was the opposite of what it should've been

considering all the issues that have been product of this idea and that i've mentioned many times before (i encourage you to search for them because my mind is gonna explode if i hvae to explain them all again), there's no way they can make it fit

right now it's a mess, a broken, faulty mess, but it hasn't been addressed yet

[golden horizon]

@split vine What are you talking about, maia can oneshot raptor if its not full hp

[split vine]

no it cannot

it straight up can, me and a bunch of other fg maias legit stompped a raptor on the body area at least 3 times before it finally died

[golden horizon]

Skill issue

And that wasnt even full grown maia

3.5 tons maia but close

[gusty flax]

@short marsh

why do you disagree

[golden horizon]

@gusty flax I disagree cause it will lower the peformance of players that is already struggling with playing the game. And if they now have to render more bushes, tree and other foliage it will make it unplayable for them.

Its also not really a free kill unless you are AFK

[gusty flax]

so rather than increasing the render distance of bushes

instead you decrease the render distance of players

🤯

[woeful latch]

maia does 175+175 damage per stomp

[golden horizon]

Makes sense since you hear 2 damage sounds

[woeful latch]

yeah, its gonna be a one shot if maia manages to hit the head twice

[golden horizon]

Could be, but isnt that something you can change in the graphical settings ?

[golden horizon]

do u know the damage multiplier for headshots ?

Cause i think i only got hit on the body

[woeful latch]

1.5, 2 if its a stego

[wary flower]

#general-feedback message lmao

[woeful latch]

imo clones mechaninc needs to be changed. the way clones work now is they give dilo an opportunity to almost never engage with its target during the fight

[woven bane]

for real

[golden horizon]

@craggy turret If the clones didnt do damage, they could just be ignored, which makes the venom totally useless

Its very easy to see which one is real and which are clones, since their movements are very static and only run directly towards you, meanwhile the heal dilo display more fluid movements

[lilac bolt]

@craggy turret the hallucinations is just a depiction of the venom running it's course and attacking your body btw

[golden horizon]

best counter to dilo venom is not being hit in the first place or just run

it depends on the matchup

dilo vs omni is pure skill matchup

what dinos are you refering to?

[lilac bolt]

what? I can agree it needs improvements but to outright remove the damage would make it much less useful as a mechanic

[golden horizon]

maia recks dilo with shove+stomp

dibble too

I would be suprised if dilo can 1v1 any of these two dinos

[tight iron]

it somewaht ca

during night get a bite in and then spam the clones

get a 2nd and finish the job if the clones run out

[golden horizon]

problem is "get a bite in" good luck getting a bite in unless they are afk

no dinos will just let you bite them

dilo running is so loud you can hear it from miles

https://youtu.be/Js_7r0Q669k

[tight iron]

not really complicated tbh

only one-two bites

[golden horizon]

if you have a video of dilo 1v1 a dibble or maia i'll change my mind

without giving dilo free bites ofcourse

[tight iron]

i sadly don't