general-feedback-discussion

[marble quail]

Oh ok

It's just an opinion

Really like where Envrima is headed

[lilac bolt]

What did we do exactly? sorry if we're making you hate it here

[limber hull]

People who insult me arbitrarily also make me hate this community so that's shared lmao

[lilac bolt]

Oh they actually left I think

Damn that sucks

[marble quail]

Bruh

[wary girder]

They didn't leave

Also I just came here to see the biggest fans of the game hate on it.

[pseudo slate]

did they remove compy i havent seen one

[desert arch]

Theyre temporarily disabled

[tight iron]

compysaurus

[hidden mist]

@tight iron I agree that they need to heavily optimize it. If I recall correctly, it’s a public asset, which are usually not really optimal…Overcast and foggy weather are the most troublesome, iirc. They also cause some issues while rendering water (fps drops even more when you look at it in such weather). Made a video with tests some time ago, it’s been a problem since the start of Gateway, but this update kinda reminded how harsh it was back then, dunno what they did again though. https://youtu.be/xcTKPcS8LPs?si=-gWzEykuWIobN6Zx

It’s especially noticeable when the time of the day hits some hours. Back then it was 6 am and 7 pm, now fluctuates…

[paper galleon]

Who thinks it's ok that cera makes almost any dino vomit in one bite?, it doesn't make any sense, the ones that weigh more than him are supposed to take longer and in the end they didn't put that in, they just made it easier for everything to vomit, as if they forgot that the ones that weigh more shouldn't vomit so much.

[tight iron]

yus

can get REALLY bad

and if it's a public asset... man

[hidden mist]

60 -> 20 fps back then goes vrroom. Now for me it’s 70 -> 50 ig? Still much though.

[tight iron]

yup

fps go nom nom

[copper cradle]

could be the specs of your pc is the reason why its effecting fps, still getting good fps all on epic

[tight iron]

165 FPS

WTF

what are your specs

i have a ryzen 7 7735hs and an rtx 4060

used to get 180 in gateway release, now 100 is a distant memory

[copper cradle]

14900K
4090
32gb ram

[desert arch]

How...
This update literally halved my fps from 60 to high 20s-low 30s😭

[tight iron]

laptop tho

[hidden mist]

Welp my i5-12400f struggles with weather and physics overall. Could be the absence of some cores, lol, could be the absence of “power” onto one core.

[tight iron]

explains everything

[desert arch]

Holy moly thats a beast of a pc

[tight iron]

im playing teno rn, guess whawt

[copper cradle]

yea just turned fps limit off

[tight iron]

a cera made me puke in a bite

[tight iron]

200 FPS WAHT THE ABSOLUTE HELL

unlimited fps in cyberpunk

[paper galleon]

it doesn't have to, every pc affects it differently, it is obvious that the game is not well optimized, and well I exceed everything necessary to play the game, sometimes if there are many people in south it drops to 15 fps

[tight iron]

funnily enough i run this game better than ppl with 3070 tis and i7 13 gen

[hidden mist]

Of course you will get high fps lol. But around 50% players on Steam still sit on 1050 iirc lol.

[tight iron]

i know that if my laptop begins struggling hard, something is REALLY wrong

[copper cradle]

im not saying its not optimised, just was saying it could be peoples pc as well or a mixture of the 2

[desert arch]

Funny thing is, I get almost double the fps when the rain is heavy, as opposed to a clear day. No clue how it works🤣

[tight iron]

wtf

[desert arch]

A thunderstorm for example literally doubles my fps

[tight iron]

the isle magic

[desert arch]

fr

[hidden mist]

Lol yuh, storms are mild sometimes… Maybe it lowers rendering distance along the fog? Who knows.

[paper galleon]

I'm not saying no, but if I exceed what is necessary to play the game, why is it going like this?, besides people didn't complain about the fps before because they fixed it, but it's back again

[hidden mist]

Doqi replied to me once that with 4070 ti and i5-13600k he gets 30 fps in docks from time to time

[tight iron]

💀

[copper cradle]

if you're looking at steam for the recommended specs then thats for legacy but other than that it could be lighting and all the other graphic tweaks they have done to improve how the game looks that could be reason why as well, i used to get over 100fps on my old pc which had a 1080 gpu when evrima first came out but the game looks totally different now and i never got over 60

[paper galleon]

in other parts of the map it goes to 70-80, but in south it goes down to 15 and in other specific parts of the map

[copper cradle]

mine drops around that area too, could be the amount of players/ dead bodies in that area also

[cyan flame]

@vagrant sapphire Bucking is RNG (terrible idea but it is what it is), it can go your way or the targets way. And if the target is bucking, you should probably get off sooner rather than later, since now if you do get bucked off you get properly punished, as you should be. And well, nice to know stego has some use out of it's otherwise far from impressive new swing. Quite frankly, the swing should be a full reach attack, especially with how bad it otherwise is.

As for the bite, the anim is a bit excessive and slow, yes, but it's hardly much of an issue, there are far more clunky playables where their main attacks are worse off in various ways. And carno does seem to have some issues with the charge making them immune to attacks, but that very much seems like a bug (and should be reported as such). Aside from that, I don't know if there's any particular issue with the carno, hitting tails shouldn't really work for pouncing anyway.

Overall, with grapple, and everything else, raptor does not need a fix, there's nothing wrong with it. Most of what you bring up are either bugs with other playables, or isn't really an issue in the first place.

[vagrant sapphire]

Right

[icy lion]

@odd shell Already planned

[odd shell]

W

[hallow egret]

How can we play with friends easily without spwan selector?

[tight iron]

no way to do it

[north quiver]

have you tried deleting your config folder and putting your graphics where they were afterwards?

that usually helps if I’m experiencing issues but I haven’t tested that with my laptop on this patch yet

[tight iron]

yus

[north quiver]

o

yeah somethings wrong then

[tight iron]

yea

[north quiver]

my laptop was getting 30-40ish frames consistently when I was using it the other day for testing and I thought it was because I didn’t delete my config file since I usually get a lot more in low density areas

but I guess I shouldn’t be expecting that to get any better with a config delete lol

[lilac bolt]

updated all your drivers and everything to make sure your laptop is running how it should?

[tight iron]

it is

everything is fine, it's optimization that's not

[lilac bolt]

weird im getting like 50-60 fps most places there are some places that are really unoptimized that drop it quite a bit

[cosmic storm]

@meager wasp don’t worry, they ruined Dilophosaurus too #general-feedback message
One of my faves.

You can’t ask for one dino to be buffed when the others are all complete trash compared to Dibble and Deino

[meager wasp]

so true what have they done to dilo btw ? @cosmic storm

[cosmic storm]

Legacy Dilo = The best dinosaur
Evrima Dilo = uhhh it exists, they nerfed it hard, ruined it’s sounds, and made it kinda basic despite getting cool venom ngl.

They made me cry that’s what they did

[meager wasp]

@cosmic storm i mean yea dilos on legacy one of the hardest bleeders now there s no such thing they called it night terror now with night vision its like night joke..

they really need new person for call balance changes

cuz they cant handle it

[cosmic storm]

Carno can also spam charge which completely nerfs the hell out of dilo and omni and it’s immune during said charges last I heard.

Haven’t had the opportunity to fight one but all the dinos are messed up.

[meager wasp]

ofcourse what they expect to stam free carge carno ofcourse its gonna kill every single thing lol

mf today told me that he died with dilo as 6 pack to single carno u know what i mean

[cosmic storm]

Carno is broken

[meager wasp]

i love the game but hate it when i play Thx for Ruinin Our Game Devs Thx a lot u guyz r teribble !

[cosmic storm]

Lmao

Ye

[edgy oxide]

update for proof been a full our no diet options

[limber hull]

Dilo is nuts atm, played it recently and wiped 3 tenontos off the face of the planet in one night

Also they ruined its sounds? It sounds great, wdym

[cosmic storm]

old dilo sounded better

[odd shell]

i miss the paleo sound modpack from legacy, itd be cool if they made that an option

[wooden agate]

new dilo sounds are so grungly though

much more fitting for current dilo model/playstyle imo

[cosmic storm]

don’t care, they have nothing on the old sounds

old sounds were more haunting, far more fitting to a night horror

[limber hull]

also lol what how

how do you lose 6 dilos to one carno

[limber hull]

@sweet yew apexes will simply be able to knock down those little trees, they'll be fine

[edgy oxide]

-170,061.205, 261,353.668, 23,851.452 Brazil nuts here only drop once then never again for a server.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

this is almost certainly AI generated lol

[sage plover]

ima see if I can get almost the same msg

@limber hull the msg is gone LMAO

[tight iron]

wait whag

that's insane

a single dilo can kill pretty much anything besides deinos with a single bite and then spamming clones which can't be killed

a carno already suffers against a dilo, killing 6 is insane

[desert arch]

Also lets just ignore tha fact that dilo can be faster than a carno with mutations lol

[lilac bolt]

How fast is dilo exactly?

[hidden mist]

49.2 iirc?

Carno is 49,6 ig.

Or it’s vice versa lol.

[limber hull]

47.5 dilo vs 49.5 carno

[hidden mist]

I thought Omni is 47,7 and much slower than a Dilo 🤔 Guess I’ll need to look at the stats again.

[limber hull]

Omni is 46.8

So it is slower than a dilo

[hidden mist]

Ouch ouch, okie thanks.

[desert arch]

47.5, but can be 49.9 with mutations

So 0.4km/h faster than a base speed carno

[lilac bolt]

But when carno is changing doesn't it get a speed increase to something like 55?

[desert arch]

Yep it does

[sage plover]

59 of what ive heard, its fast asf

[limber hull]

it gets a 20% speed boost, reaching up to 59.4

[lilac bolt]

Alright thanks

[meager wasp]

u can experience how bad that changes r just give it time lol..

[tight iron]

yus

[cyan flame]

@vivid mason Would it not make more sense to expand on how omnivores work and give galli and the others more options, instead of just turning it into a herbivore?

[limber hull]

i hate the idea that omnivore means it HAS to eat red meat. Egg eating is more than enough

[vivid mason]

its staying the same way it is, it'll still have the carnivorous options on its diet, but it just makes more sense for it to be classed as a herbi with the ability to eat a few options of meat. currently it wont have a diet anywhere as diverse as the upcoming or current omnivores, beipi for example has a lot more carnivorous options it can eat, and for example ovi will be able to eat practically everything iirc, those fit into the omni section more when you compare it to galli

[cyan flame]

What can beipi do that galli can't? And why couldn't galli just be given the same options as beipi then?

[limber hull]

"for example ovi will be able to eat practically everything iirc"

based on what

[vivid mason]

pretty sure i heard it will be able to eat both red meat and plants? i might be mistaken

[limber hull]

personally not a fan of that concept

[cyan flame]

If it's just a matter of where it falls under, does it change anything if its under omni or herbi? Seems like it'd be more relevant to actually change something in how it works

[limber hull]

but i've never heard of such a thing

[vivid mason]

fair, just feels like galli would fit into the herbi section more, even if it acts like an omnivore

[vivid mason]

huh alright then,

[limber hull]

it eats meat and plants though

making it a herbivore just makes things confusing

[vivid mason]

fair enough

it would be nice seeing the herbivore section more filled up in contrast to the carnivore one too tbf

[cyan flame]

Maybe it would, I'm not neccesarily against it, I just feel it'd be more interesting and better for the game to expand on what the omnivores can do, if galli feels lacking. I don't know how much better beipi feels? What options does it have?

[limber hull]

we're getting maia soon anyways

[minor field]

Eh, its getting there now with all the new additions to it but the sentiment is shared.

[inland vigil]

Galli can't survive whatever off the meat options it has. It's basically an herbivore
Eating a frog gives 3% of diet or something to an adult, compy is not on the diet, we can't even eat eggs last I checked. I don't think galli should move to herbivores but rather omnivorous dinosaurs need to have more love (or at least gain more hunger/diet)

[vivid mason]

if it stays omnivorous make those carnivorous food choices more viable

[minor field]

Yeah pretty much my opinion too, once it gets buffs to the omnivorous parts of its kit and can eat eggs I dont think it'll be much of an issue anymore

[hidden mist]

Welp omnivores can now eat rotten meat… I guess that’s helpful, lo l…

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
I know this might sound weird coming from a long time Herrera main, but it doesn't need faster climbing speed of any kind and probably never will. It's already in a good spot balance-wise, just annoying to the unobservant.
Plus, all you do is spin around the width of trees. If your climbing cliffs, sucks to suck, we're tree rats, not rock rats.

[sudden shell]

2% diet, I tested.

Galli is an omnivore by sheer technicality

[inland vigil]

That's so tragic..

[icy lion]

@hasty radish Planned

[hasty radish]

@icy lion I know, i juste don't anderstand why it so long, we can't play with herrera around that hem can climb or other dino, is not funny

And I want know how many people want this capacity for hypsi

[urban flax]

@wary flower The prey would know which one is the real one because it's the one aiming directly towards them, and not with a 5 meter offset

[wary flower]

Dont know how to explain it but it would work like a mirror, the prey being the mirror

lemme see if I can find a video

something like this?
https://youtu.be/_wRgdnqXyEQ?si=5UHmK6yQ1gUR0-_q&t=150

[sudden shell]

Truely, but tis the sacrifices one must make for the unmatched power of FOOT

[sudden shell]

A lot of people know, it's been planned for a really long time.

#general-feedback message
@jovial vine
10/10 animations, but I feel like adults are way to fat and cumbersome to be able to do that.

Solution: Let the babies

[vivid mason]

@full pewter migrating in swamp is gonna be easier in the next ht or two when it gets climb, as said by the devs, swamp is a pretty crucial spot for it bc all of its diets are there

[sudden shell]

Swamp is intended to be a huge bed of activity, right?

[vivid mason]

Yeah, especially with the expansion

[full pewter]

Is that the only reasoning? Its diets are there?? They can change its diets whenever they please

[vivid mason]

Swamp is a pretty spot, has many cliffs around it and the trees are quite high, perfect for hypsi, as the devs said it’s getting its climb in the next ht or the ht after

[full pewter]

Herra has it easy since it can dive, and also isn’t that slowed down when wading cause of its size. Hypsy has a much harder time moving through shallow water, I’d rather not deal with it

[vivid mason]

What part of it has climb are you not getting, it can easily just move between trees and not touch the ground at all

[sudden shell]

The new expansion I feel was for two things.

1. give deinos something other than 3 bathtubs worth of water to play in
2. making it bigger prevents to over-activity that places like south plains experiences

[full pewter]

I’m not saying that swamp is a bad place, it’s just a bad place to traverse as a small dino like hypsy, and I don’t think climbing will fix it, especially if it’s stamina demanding

[vivid mason]

There’s still a bunch of places in swamp without water too

[sudden shell]

Hypsi being small means foot no touchy floor when floor wet

[full pewter]

Doing that as herra just eats up your stam, if hypsy is similar then it has it worse

[sudden shell]

Buff hypsi leg length

[full pewter]

That too, water that’d be shallow for a big dino still means hypsy has to swim

[vivid mason]

It’s stam consumption might be a lot more forgiving than Herrera, who knows? Still too early to judge

[sudden shell]

Nothing is shallow when it's 3 inches deep before you start swimming

[full pewter]

I’d hope so, but the devs have said hypsy is expected to be the worse climber, whether that applies to stam we have yet to see

[vivid mason]

Huh?? Why though? It’s literally a squirrel dinosaur it should be better

[full pewter]

I agree that it should be

[vivid mason]

Yeah, it would make it a lot more interesting and a VERY good beginner playable

[sudden shell]

People would complain that the tree hunter can't catch the one other tree dwelling species

Even though that makes no sense because presumably hypsis are natural climbers while climbing in herreras is a mutation that was notably recent

[vivid mason]

And? How is that a valid point?? Hypsi isn’t supposed to be free Herrera food, it gets one shot by Herrera anyway all the Herrera needs to do is get it by surprise and give it a quick bite and it’s dead, it’s literally not that hard

Poor hypsi deserves to be the better climber

[sudden shell]

Never said it made sense or that I agreed with it, but you know people would be constantly on the devs for it

[vivid mason]

I know lol, I’m just saying

[sudden shell]

Valid points?

[spark roost]

I had fun the first time I took a growing hypsi into the old swamp and tried to cross one of the places I could always wade before...., I felt so small! though the fun did lessen very quickly. Also had fun as a dryo in the new swamp using the dodge mechanic to go quickly over wading-depth water spots if they were short enough hops, though it did catch me very by surprise when the wading slowed me down so much the first time it happened, felt like I was walking in mud... :/

[sudden shell]

@jovial vine
i know its not relevant but that second animation is just

[jovial vine]

Thank you 😄

[sudden shell]

from one animator to another, VERY SMOOTH

[coarse spruce]

that would be a mistake, I hope they're not actually doubling down on that

[full pewter]

They said that a while ago so who knows, they have changed their minds before

[barren zephyr]

@swift schooner what servers are you playing on? I've never encountered a hacker once

[tired quest]

after they added a bunch foliage/bushes into swamp,it makes it harder for deino to set up an ambush .
now I prefer to chill at the part of central river closest to NE.
fish ai tend to spawn all around you and patrol zone too.
manage to get 5 decent herbivore/raptor kill and made it to full grown, plus the cannibals usually be busy in south plain / swamp. it is a safe spot to grow

[icy lion]

@tepid sun Theri is planned

[tepid sun]

thats nice

He can fight with trex

same side and 2 of them strong

[tepid sun]

There is any info about rex?

[icy lion]

Most of the recent devblogs talk about rex in some capacity, yea

[tepid sun]

What you think how long we need to wait more ?

[icy lion]

Not sure, it's a complicated animal

[tepid sun]

ppl cant wait for it hahah

[wise dome]

did they get rid of na west servers?

[rough wind]

na 1 and 3 I believe have not turned on in a while
2, 4, and 5 are all good though

so most of the west servers yeah

[full pewter]

All I see are no AI na west servers

[latent olive]

@limber hull felt i needed to tag you for this one
#general-feedback message

quintessential "buff raptor nerf stego" post

[limber hull]

At least we're consistent

"Overall, the Stegosaurus feels like a dinosaur anyone can play with minimal challenges (aside from growing it), and easily exploit its mechanics — because it’s overpowered and unbalanced"

Then why don't they? Could it be that stegosaurus isn't all that it's cracked up to be?

[cyan flame]

@azure ruin The video got it pretty much the entire wrong way around.

Omni is very powerful and threatening with grapple (there's your hunt in group OP ability). Bucking should punish you, if you get bucked off, you should die. That is fair. It would not however, be fair if you could get bucked off and still get to be safe and escape. You got a perfectly safe dismount, use it, get off before getting bucked off (it also drains the buckers stamina still, so the defender is still punished).

Stego could be argued for, if there wasn't a cooldown and excessive stamina cost. And stego is by no means OP, it's underpowered if anything. Considering how clunky, bad and overall terrible stego is, there's absolutely not argument for making it even worse, if anything it needs its nerfs reverted. Due to the cooldown and otherwise clunkyness, stego hilariously enough require more skill than omni.

As for bugs, report them as bugs, but the issues do not lie with omni, it's still overtuned if anything. The issues lies with the others being bugged, and sadly enough, the bugs actually make them viable to more or less degree. Stego being bugged makes it somewhat good, carno being bugged does at least help it not just get grappled and die to two omnis or some such.

[cyan flame]

Talking about omni there of course, but they would never acknowledge as much.

Omni is probably one of the few playables that have consistently been overpowered, and only been bad due to actual bugs.

@exotic sage We are getting elders, that will be more powerful. Or well, proper elders will be, if you play correctly and all. And an weight increase might be part of that.

[exotic sage]

NICE!

[gaunt mica]

BANGER!!!!!

[azure ruin]

I just summed up the video really

[cyan flame]

Well, then I'll amend it to "the video got it pretty much backwards.". Apologies, was nothing personal.

[azure ruin]

I believe there are some good points, I personally think the omni could just benefit from an animation after falling from getting bucked off as well as the carno charge bug being an issue

[exotic sage]

is this confirmed somewhere? or just rumors

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind ,things could have changed. But we're supposed to get elders, and if you do it right, you get to be powerful (jedi among clone troopers was the sentiment), for a while before you grow old. And if you die peacefully, you get to keep mutations/improve them over lives.

[limber hull]

elders are 100% confirmed

[cyan flame]

You'll grow old, if you've had a good life, you get a temporary "badass elder", before you decline.

[exotic sage]

VERI NICE!

[gaunt mica]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH OOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

[cyan flame]

And mutations are meant to work like, first time you get it, it's 2% improvement, then if you die peacefully and keep the mutation, you get 4% when you pick it again. Or something like that.

[cyan flame]

Oh sure, I agree that there should be a bucked off anim, we already have it when you're out of stamina. Just apply that one and it's all set. And obviously carno forcefield bug is well, a bug. But that's something to report under bugs, and I'm pretty sure it's already known about. And omni bite is slow, but there are far worse and more clunky playables, like pachy and stego, that needs help before omni does. Omni has useful grapple/pounce/pin, pachy ram is clunky, and stego is even worse off with excessive stam cost and cooldown (or just very slow angles on the jab).

In general it just comes off as "omni terrible" when it's still perfectly capable. Bucking is also RNG, so if you're unlucky on the bucker side, all you get is loss of stam and massive damage/bleed. And low stam helps the omnis grapple you at that.

So there's at the very least some help needed for the target bucking too, before it's actually at a good point. But it remains to be seen how potential retaliatory damage works, if that might help counteract the stamina cost and make it worth it.

[azure ruin]

I feel so sorry for the pachy's they actually need so much love I'm not a good omni player, I don't play it at all, really. I do enjoy sticking to herbivores overall and my beloved herrera. So I'm in no way saying "OMNI WEAK MAKE STRONK" English isn't my first language so I'll always suck at getting my point across as it should lol.

I'm really just saying "Give Omniraptor an animation or something to make falling off your pounced target look and feel better."

[gaunt mica]

omni is in a bad spot RN sadly

[azure ruin]

A lot of players like to argue that omni is a no skill dinosaur but really it requires skill and luck which I do not have XD

[wintry whale]

I find omni to be very fun and fairly powerful solo, I’m curious what a well organized group could do

[cyan flame]

No it's fine, and there's some points in there, like the carno charge immunity to attacks thing, and diablo hitbox unless that got fixed. It's just that the vid kind of comes off as "well, omni ruined", when it's not. And yeah, I think they should add the being knocked off/down like when you're out of stam. Just do that, and problem solved.

And granted, stego power swing shouldn't hit in front of itself, (or well, it should but have proper anim), but the jab angles for any actual reach are terrible in speed, and just overall bad to use.

[lilac bolt]

Kill dibbles probably if the hitbox doesn't break

[cyan flame]

Kill anything in the game, aside from a deino in deep water

Mostly cause while you can get to it, you can't really fight it in it's own element

[azure ruin]

I'm glad you understand what I'm saying! I tried rewriting the points the youtuber made in a less Sarcastic tone because it did, as you say, come off as them saying "Omni Ruined"

[cyan flame]

Oh I'll grant you that, while I can understand the sentiment in the video, I do disagree with the way it's presented. It does not really make your point better if you're trying to be "smart" about it and kind of acting as if the devs intended "forcefield" carno (maybe they did, but I doubt it)

[lilac bolt]

Yeah it's easy to read and counter effectively which makes it easy to kill if you don't get hit

Takes a while but as long as you focus on not getting hit I think you can probably kill it as most things

[azure ruin]

It's been discovered carnos did indeed have forcefields!!!

[gaunt mica]

i feel like alot of the omnis problems is lagg, that is also alot of the problem for every dino

[lilac bolt]

Yeah it's rough rn

[gaunt mica]

and also i think omni is one of the highest skill (i main carno)

cus its like a glas canon

[lilac bolt]

With things like pinning it reduces the skill ceiling due to how much easier it is to kill a large majority of dinos but I won't argue with omni is still requiring a lot of skill.

[cyan flame]

Hah! I do wonder if it's just something that was always there, but I doubt it. I think you could pounce a charging carno in the face and succed back in the day. But I could be wrong there. Wasn't in the habit of being a situation where that kind of desperate move would be needed.

[hidden mist]

@desert arch you inspired me to create another video with weather tests, but in the current patch xd Prolly I’ll go in for this on the weekends…

(Sorry for ping)…

[desert arch]

All good, dont mind at all ^^

I just want it to be noticed and hopefully fixed asap, some of my friends have stopped playing because of it, and it makes the game really hard to enjoy for me too 😦

[hidden mist]

Could you also please share the settings you run the game on? I think weather is highly tied to “Effects” setting, which causes the most problem ig (along with “Textures”).

[desert arch]

Everything on the lowest possible settings, with 3d resolution on 45

Game set to full performance on gforce experience as well

[hidden mist]

I see, okie thank you.

[desert arch]

🥔❤️

[hidden mist]

@barren zephyr https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/855535605178171422

[barren zephyr]

ah thanks

[sage plover]

#general-feedback message @night obsidian dondi has already shown on stream that rex is going to have the classic jp roar, along with a second option which is a very low grumble and much more accurate to irl sounds

im sure if you ask in the isle discussion someone will send you the audio

[tight iron]

@night obsidian the fact that a species was found to have a larynx makes me seriously doubt that these studies are actually accurate

the "they probably made bird sounds" thing... seriously doubt

[lilac bolt]

Oh no a lot of them are in fact accurate since with our current knowledge of the trex it didn't have a larynx which wouldn't allow to make sounds like birds do and instead sounds like crocodiles do with it making deep low rumbles but since it is a video game who cares tbh. This also applies to most dinos btw as a lot of them from our knowledge didn't have a larynx either

Doesn't need to be 100% accurate to irl just needs to sounds cool that all that actually matters to most people that'll go play rex or any other dino

[latent olive]

@night obsidian no it isnt.

none of his sources are backed up, and the ones you follow just link back to themselves

he also tends to just make random noises into the microphone and slap them in

turn off DLSS in settings

[lilac bolt]

Yeah that is true but still there are actual backed up studies that go over it and what they could've sounded like rather than some random video on youtube. Not that it matters too much though

[latent olive]

oh yeah, im not doubting that there are actual studies on the sounds that extinct animals make

[lilac bolt]

Yes but it broken rn

[latent olive]

but studio? the guy that didnt make any dinosaur related content before one specific video which blew up? then made nothing but dinosaur content afterwards? while claiming accuracy and studies with no sources and making random sounds?

also just pitch shifting different bird and lizard sounds

[lilac bolt]

Yeah nah not a trusted source at all

[hidden mist]

Game won’t allow anything that fixes its performance 😔

[hidden mist]

Besides 3$k PCs lol.

[tight iron]

163 fps

what are your specs 😭

[lilac bolt]

Average Nasa computer probably. lol

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/police-coco-jaw-drop-skeleton-shocked-gif-15485742

[paper galleon]

it's a bug that affects dlss, regardless of your pc, it's been going on for a while and they still haven't fixed it

as soon as you disable dlss in the game settings, the bug will disappear

it doesn't happen in a specific place, it happens at random moments, in the end it disappears with time, but the time you are like this is horrible, you don't see anything and it damages your eyesight, when you deactivate the dlss it never happens, while when you have it activated it can happen, it is true that now it is less frequent but it appears randomly

ah, ok, is better put it in the general-feedback, it's something that happens to me too.

Well, this error appeared out of nowhere months ago, it happens very rarely but when it does it can happen 3 or 4 times in the same day

I speak from my experience, the point is that they need to fix it

either that or add more players

yeah, but they refuse to make the map smaller and then the map doesn't have the hitboxes right, areas without any sense, areas where you are supposed to be able to pass but you can't because the map is badly made, trees, bushes and rocks flying and parts of the map where the land has triangles, as if the map had been pinched.

[tight iron]

how much did it cost you

[tight iron]

might as well make a whole new map, this one is broken beyond repair

[paper galleon]

it would be better to fix this one, but until they do, we have to wait

:0

[tight iron]

ohmagawd

[tight iron]

they would probably take 3 times more trying to fix it than making a new one

[paper galleon]

I mean, why make a new map if you can change the one you already have?

[tight iron]

wat

[tight iron]

would be faster

oh

[tight iron]

same could be said for when they scrapped spiro

i cant disagree with that

i completely agree with the fact that it was broken and needed some serious tweaks, but what we got instead is 15 times more broken

[paper galleon]

if they are not even fixing this one I don't think they will make another one, besides I don't think it would be faster to make another one than to redo this one, because many areas are fine

[paper galleon]

the spiro was a map while they were making a proper one, what happened is that they haven't polished it

[tight iron]

it's faster to make a smaller map that works well and doesn't contradict the style than re-make a map that's huge and broken beyond repair

most assets used for this map are too broken to be repaired

[tight iron]

yea ik

[hasty radish]

there's also this video from a doc, go to 23:16 for the sound t_rexhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhCOB1ara3k

it's true that I'm a little tired of the tu t-rex cry, even the crix of the t_rex proposed by dondi, I don't find it incredible, after there's this crix that I find nice, but there's always this noise at the end that I don't like at all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFLGmfhLw8

[limber hull]

Spiro was a larger map that worked worse

In fact, the final size of Spiro would have put Gateway to shame, and people call Gateway "too big"

In literally what ways

Gateway is the only reason I didn't quit this game for good, and all I get for Spiro support is "u could find people easier", which just confirms my suspicion of it being a deathmatch map that people played because it was easier to fight on lol

[tight iron]

never said spiro was smaller

[tight iron]

probably cause it's full of forests, cliffs, etc that make it difficult to see anything far away from you

[limber hull]

The "smaller map that works well" is Gateway. That is the map that achieves that goal

[tight iron]

no sir

[limber hull]

Spiro did that worse LMAO

The forests were denser, the cliffs were more hidden

[tight iron]

but they weren't everywhere

[limber hull]

And they aren't on Gateway either

[tight iron]

you could easily access massive plains that let you see as far as you were able to render

those don't exist in gateway besides south plains

[limber hull]

Which wasn't very far

Because wuh oh Spiro has godawful optimisation that butchers render distance

[tight iron]

i agree

very broken

[limber hull]

It's SO easy to avoid cliffs on Gateway it's a genuine shock people have an issue with it ever

You touch a road and now you're cliffproof

[tight iron]

seen a couple hidden cliffs

[limber hull]

Spiro just kinda dropped a cliff on you and said "wuh oh sorry"

[tight iron]

not as many as you would find in spiro when traveling a forest but eh

[limber hull]

Cliffs on Gateway for me have always been something I can see and callout to friends before something bad happens

[tight iron]

i never had any issue with cliffs tbh

not even in spiro

[limber hull]

So then it's a moot point to being up in Gateway vs Spiro lol

[tight iron]

it's not like i didn't fall off some of them but it really wasn't an issue for me

[tight iron]

i presume people find spiro more attractive, including me, cause it's more open

[limber hull]

Yea, bloodbath arena

[tight iron]

it's not even about deathmatch

[limber hull]

Survival 🤢
Fighting 😄

[tight iron]

cause if we were talking about deathmatch, nothing has changed

[limber hull]

Me me combat big boy

[tight iron]

people still search for others to kill them

^^ nonstop

[limber hull]

Current patch? Very different

[tight iron]

nuh uh

unless you're playing with the most friendly community ever, nothing has changed

[limber hull]

Yuh huh, absolutely

[tight iron]

everyone will kill everyone no matter what

[limber hull]

Because unlike Spiro or Gateway prior to this patch, you actually need to FIND other players

Rather than live with the expectation of them coming to you in the deathmatch bloodbowl

[tight iron]

youve always had to find players, it wasnt as difficult as now tho

[limber hull]

Nah, not at all

[tight iron]

now it's a real challenge

[limber hull]

Go to South Plains, they'll come to you

[tight iron]

im not gonna go there and fight with 35 fps

id rather go around the map searching for people

but again, with how many mountains, forests, cliffs, etc the map has, it's not that easy

[limber hull]

It really doesn't have that much compared to prior maps

[tight iron]

the other day i spent 2 hours as a carno trying to find people, found nobody

[limber hull]

(V3)

[tight iron]

v3 😭

[tight iron]

i can't disagree with this, however they're placed in spots where it just makes everything more difficult

[limber hull]

Ehhh, they all feel very managable with how the map is designed

[tight iron]

most are manageable

[limber hull]

For every cliff, there's a path or passage guiding you past it

[tight iron]

some, like the mountain in swamps, are a pain in the ass

[limber hull]

Honestly that could do with one path

Or two

[tight iron]

there is a small path but it's complicated to notice it

so most people accidentally get stuck between two cliffs and have no choice but to accept their fate and jump down

[tight iron]

however they can get really annoying

if we could have some nice mountains but also some large plains that would be amazing imo

the area that's highlands - west rail access is amazing

[urban flax]

They've been consistently nuking plains since Gateway's release because people were clogging them
But now that random spawns are back, me might see them appear again

[tight iron]

the canyon, a sorta open area, then the path to west rail access and a small plains area

[tight iron]

hopefully 🤷‍♂️

[hidden mist]

Random spawns still should be more randomized tbh :^) Not choosing between e. g. 2 options that species had before, like Cera…

[nova spear]

Yeah now it’s just hey keep dying until you get the south plains spawn with no cooldown

[high lily]

anyone know how to fix this? Or are beipi's broken atm

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
@high lily
The new swamps have issues with underwater vision, even deinos see that badly in the swamps

[high lily]

ohh okay Thank you!

[sudden shell]

Yuh

[candid nimbus]

Some strange happenings in official.
Playing as herra, recovering in a tree I was attacked by dilo illusions in the tree! They spawned on the branch!

What a lucky spawn. Sorry, but I can't not to smile %)

[candid nimbus]

they have problems with underwater night vision, yeah. And crocs as I've hear too.

[candid nimbus]

deleted my post about beipi's mz and resended it in bugs

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message Tbh I'd like this but the only one I see being easy is notifying you what dino killed u

[mild isle]

the poster said notifying what dino killed you was one of the harder things but i believe it's the easiest on the list is what i meant

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message a little wonky looking but honestly, i think it could work

[rough wind]

I dont think it should be a slam downwards

maybe the teno could spin around and use its tail as a whip

[wooden agate]

maybe less of a whip and more of a slap?

[sudden bobcat]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1288254534816108677 Would this be easy or difficult to implement for the dev team?

[boreal nymph]

The rock I died on while a carno bit into the rock.. should never have happened

[vale epoch]

why is NA 3 gone?

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message eh, they have the scent thing during NV for a reason. also daytime is already twice as long as night, so i wouldnt extend it more. @cosmic storm

[cosmic storm]

Fair, still want more visibility.

Sight never hurt anyone

[limber hull]

i personally want more night, it feels like it passes WAY too fast

[wooden agate]

i dont think it would be awful to give them a little more near them, but NV in general needs to be nerfed across the board (except for dilo/troodon/dryo)

[cosmic storm]

I can sympathize with that, it does look a lot better with the new NV

[limber hull]

Eh, stego's is adequate at its current range

[wooden agate]

i havent touched stego because it sucks so i wouldnt know

[limber hull]

Honestly? Increase the day/night cycle as a whole. Longer days, longer nights

[limber hull]

APPARENTLY PACHY HAS ALSO GOT STEGO-LEVEL NV LMAO

[cosmic storm]

W take

I could get behind that

[limber hull]

Both feel a lil' too fast

Nocturnals need more time to be nocturnal, diurnals need more time to be diurnal

[cosmic storm]

Mhm

How long is the cycle right now?

[wintry whale]

Same

[limber hull]

Can't tell you for sure tbh, I'd need to find someone who does a LOT more testing

[cosmic storm]

Alright, well I will go ahead and do my own measurements later then.

[junior nymph]

im growing a steg rn cause I was like eh I want to be silly today

[warm blaze]

@jovial vine I think the tenon is already strong enough as it is, it moves quickly, it hits its claws quickly, you rush at the player you can turn around directly to give a kick and you want the tail kick to be able to hit on the side it's frankly nonsense it's as if I was asking for the omni when it pounces the stamina doesn't go down very much without forgetting which also causes a lot of bleed

[limber hull]

"it's as if I was asking for the omni when it pounces the stamina doesn't go down very much"

they literally already did that

that was last update

tenonto's tail slam is also really, really bad atm

[warm blaze]

frankly no, I don't have the impression

[limber hull]

they literally removed all stamdrain from bucking

and made it that the passive stamdrain on pounce is slower

anyway, a tenonto change like that would be great given how poor the tailslam is at

[amber sequoia]

cant see a thing

no fish as well.

[warm blaze]

why so that you fall alone at a moment wow great we see who the favorites are

[limber hull]

what?

[jovial vine]

More utility for the tailslam would be very cool and epic, so I do not agree with your assessment

[limber hull]

It's not like any of teno's strong attacks would even be buffed from such a change, only the worst one would actually benefit

[warm blaze]

why because 4 attack is already not epic enough? 🤣

[jovial vine]

It’s still 4 attacks lolol

Not adding a new one, just adding some QoL to its signature move

[limber hull]

Which is ironically currently its worst move LOL

[limber hull]

Having 4 attacks is epic

Having 3 attacks that work and 1 that sucks is less-so

[jovial vine]

It would ofcourse need more windup if it turns with it, like any other alt attack with a turn

[warm blaze]

when I see the hitbox of the stego which hits the side and which kills an omni while the omni is in front of its head it promises

[limber hull]

heh?

[jovial vine]

The feedback isn’t about stego lmao 🤣

But, I do have suggestions for stego if you’d like to take a look

[warm blaze]

ok if you want I agree to add the hit on the side for the tenon but in this case I say the most important thing will be that the hitbox is reworked

[warm blaze]

no but I'm talking about that watch the video you will understand #general-feedback message

[jovial vine]

Ahh, that video is irrelevant to my suggestion

[limber hull]

oh, that video lol

[warm blaze]

no but I'm talking about the hitbox of the tail

[limber hull]

yea what's it gotta do with teno lol

[jovial vine]

Idk if they talk about teno in it cause I’ve not watched it lol

[limber hull]

they don't lol

video has nothing to do with tenonto lmao

[jovial vine]

Then it is irrelevant

That being said, I’m sure we all want hitboxes to be fair

[limber hull]

it's just a dude being really snarky and "funny" about the new patch

[jovial vine]

Then I will skip

[limber hull]

Yea, for the best, it's just bad faith "dev bad at job" video framed as "feedback"

[jovial vine]

Not my cup of tea

[warm blaze]

I have the impression that you are deliberately not understanding me yes I was talking about the tenon then I said that if he added tail strokes on the side it would risk being catastrophic and doing like the stego in the general feedback video

[limber hull]

how? one's a bug. the other is a telegraphed attack

the animation for a complete 180 pivot would be very easy to react to

hell, tailslam is super reactable now, and teno doesn't even move for that

[warm blaze]

and when do we put a debuff for the tenon ?

[limber hull]

Why would we need one

Tenonto is in a fine spot atm

[warm blaze]

oh no I don't agree the thing is a chain of kicks and claws soon maybe the tail hits it bleeds a lot

[jovial vine]

We’ve not misunderstood, just your comparison to stego isn’t relevant.

Stego is a different animal with its own set of issues regarding its moveset

[warm blaze]

it's a tail hit , it's the same

[limber hull]

It literally is not

They're two entirely different attacks on two entirely different creatures

The only similarity is that they use their tails

Which, by that logic, dilo bites work exactly the same as cera bites

Or cera charge bite = deino lunge

[jovial vine]

I’ll be working on more stego feedback later, to show my idea for a fencing stance+sweeps instead of how it works now

[warm blaze]

yes he uses the tail you yourself have just contradicted yourself by saying that it is the same

(similarity)

[limber hull]

Similar does not = the same

They're not even similar. One slams the tail, the other swings it, and they're built entirely different. Using the same body part doesn't make it the same lol

[barren crater]

why?

[warm blaze]

ok but the suggestion is to put the same mechanics of the stego?

[limber hull]

That is not what the suggestion was

[jovial vine]

Yeah I’m really not sure why stego keeps getting brought up

[warm blaze]

I find it too excessive the speed of the claw strikes even the bite of the dilo is not as fast so the Utah(omni) next door is ridiculous, its movements with its kicks it hurts you a lot the only handicap with this dino is its tail kick

[limber hull]

but that's not a handicap? It can just not use the tailslam

Tailslam being garbage doesn't do anything but make people not use it, it doesn't really detriment the teno much at all

Making tailslam good only works to make teno a better animal

[amber sequoia]

Sunset ❤️

[warm blaze]

precisely for that I find that it is abusing, a player who knows the tenon well even if you are a player experienced in omni, cera, carno, dilo and troodon in 1v1 he has no chance of beating him

[limber hull]

cerato can EASILY beat a tenonto

[warm blaze]

if he dont use tailslam not ez dude

[limber hull]

so you prove my point

and also, cerato can still beat a tenonto irregardless of if they slam or not

[warm blaze]

you want test on norden server

[limber hull]

no

i'm consistently at a disadvantage because norden server is like 200 ping for me

[warm blaze]

no by saying that if he doesn't use the tail hit, I meant that in this case you lose man

[limber hull]

you really don't if you know how to play cera

[warm blaze]

you make me laugh too much, he's the expert but when I offer him a test to see if I'm right or wrong, he slips away and then he tells me I don't know how to play the cera

🤣

[limber hull]

i didn't say you didn't know how to play cerato

i said that a good cerato beats tenonto basically every time

at no point did i question how good you are at cerato lol

[warm blaze]

precisely I want to put the proof in front of you that a good cera player cannot beat the good tenon player

[marble quail]

Puke

[limber hull]

^

[marble quail]

That's it

It's a strong dino, it beats a pack of Carnos ez

[limber hull]

i've watched experienced ceratos vs experienced tenontos, ceratos basically always win

[warm blaze]

I will make a video if I come across a good cera player and show you that there is no point in trying to make a good tenon player

[marble quail]

You see this person has been playing since the game was released

[urban flax]

I lost braincells reading this
I didn't even know I had so many to lose

Anyway @jovial vine nice animation ! Really hope tailslam is reworked this way, it was even like that in teno's concept art

[woeful latch]

😂😂😂

No way a teno can beat a good cera

Even without a body buff and vomit It’s not an easy fight for a teno

[cyan flame]

Being able to hit in front of you for certain playables that have the reach and ability is not a bad thing. Teno being able to do an "execution move" like that would be cool, and it'd be rather obvious and telegraphed, plus most likely more costly than normal tail slam.
Stego being able to hit more or less in front of itself is something it should be able to do, but it should not be due to a bug of course or with the swing (aside from running one). What should happen with stego is the jab angle speeds should be sped up, equalized to or very close to the decent side angle speed.
Also why would you bring up 1v1 for troodon and omni, neither of who should really stand a chance in a 1v1 with a teno, especially not troodon but not even omni. Even cera and carno these days are meant to be less of a fighter (cera) and more of a small game hunter (carno) and should most likely not be able to 1v1 a teno without severe advantage on the ceras side (full bile, body buff, and so on).
So if you're arguing teno is hard to 1v1 for these opponents, then yes, as it well and truly should be.
Not that any of that has anything to do with if teno should get the "execution" tailslam it actually had back in the very old concept.

[woeful latch]

And since they shadow nerfed teno now it’s even harder to kill a cera

[cyan flame]

@narrow nova Since when is the lunge/grab a % now?

[midnight heath]

I don't think it's ever been a %, it's based off of stamina last I checked.

[tight iron]

are you a good cera player

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil the concept of "preferred nesting conditions" like environment and weather is so cool to me lol

for example, the inactive volcano part of the map could have some of the warmest environment so certain animals could take pilgrimage to nest there

[jovial vine]

Thanks! I’ve been praying it gets reworked this way cause it’d be awesome

[maiden anvil]

That sounds amazing!

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message
add on to this- I’m aware the OG suggestion uses the migrations as an argument and although the migrations are relatively more stable now I can add more arguments in its place- mainly the random spawns making it way harder to find same species to even begin the nest. I was teno for about 5+ hours and despite heading to every migration, every patrol zone, I only ever heard one other teno waaay in the distance (never found it)

[minor basalt]

cera wins that fight almost every time lol

[limber hull]

@cedar drum besides the fact that nights are way too bright atm, yea, but that's more of a night issue than an NV issue

[cedar drum]

Better than the first iteration of evrima night vision

By a LOT

I love the new nights, I think they are perfect

[limber hull]

Sure, but the nights are still too bright

Especially stormy nights

[cedar drum]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043

[limber hull]

Also too fast imho

NV is great, I just wish it was more relevant

It feels like I can just kinda turn it off most nights now

[icy lion]

@ripe ivy Send /unstuck in chat to use the unstuck command

[fossil wing]

No…..

[desert arch]

Yes

Make the teno vomit in 1 bite then stall the fight and abuse vomit lock to get free bites in every 30 seconds and you got a free win

[lilac bolt]

either way bile is too strong right now needs adjustments either to the bile itself or how it uses it since as it is right now can't stay

[desert arch]

Yeah, cera making everything but stego vomit in 1 bite is not okay

[cyan flame]

It does seem to not have turned out as most imagined. Scaling sounded good, but there's some weird values going on.

[fossil wing]

just because a 1 second animation makes you lose a fight means your bad, teno can litterally make a cera fly and then just kick him in face till dead, saying easily is a lie

[cyan flame]

Does it take two to vomit a stego, if it takes one for a diablo?

[desert arch]

I think its 3, but not exactly sure

[sage plover]

3 charge bites for steg

[desert arch]

If you really want we can test it out🤷‍♂️

[fossil wing]

you trying to run it?

[desert arch]

Wdym

[cyan flame]

Huh, I was thinking if dibble 3t, and one charged bite, then it'd make sense with two bites for 6t. Guess there is some scaling then, though that's still.... really really bad. I guess it'd be 4-5 bites for a rex or trike, sounds like it could be somewhat open for "griefing", depending on how efficient rex and trike attacks are.

[sage plover]

I mean, since this update ive always seen ceras absolutely delete tenos

[fossil wing]

trust and believe you WILL be sat down

[cyan flame]

So noted, thank you!

[desert arch]

Im up for a challenge! ^^

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind you ought to do multiple fights, and over multiple days, to get a good result

[fossil wing]

wanna do server with fast grow 1v1?

[desert arch]

I know an admin server, less laggy

[fossil wing]

ive fought multiple ceras over multiple days as my teno

[fossil wing]

whats the server

[cyan flame]

Yeah but that's not quite my point there

@sage ploverDo you know how many charged bites it took before, it was always 5 normal bites if I recall correctly

[sage plover]

it was 4 charge bites for everything

[cyan flame]

So it went from bad to worse, at least on the charged bites then

No idea how many normal bites it takes for various targets

[desert arch]

Norden free admin
But are you eu, na or something else? Im eu

[sage plover]

thats also probally a good teno players vs the average cera player who just runs up your ass so, any cera with more than 5 iq rolls tenos somewhat easy, even if its a good teno

[fossil wing]

im NA

[desert arch]

3 charged bites no matter what

[cyan flame]

But that's really odd. 5 normal and 4 charged bites before, now it's 3 charged bites or less, and... no idea on normal bites. But it seems like scaling made it worse, not better.

[desert arch]

Yeah welp, thats like 80 ping difference

[cyan flame]

Before the change? Cause the other guy said 4, but it doesn't really matter I guess. Either it got worse, or no change.

So it still makes the scaling very off

[desert arch]

Before the change yes

[fossil wing]

thats fine

[sage plover]

yea, they buffed vomit for some reason. but it was 4 charge bites for steg before

[fossil wing]

ive played on 200 ping servers before

[cyan flame]

Well, three or four, you two don't seem to agree, but point stilll stands

[sage plover]

at least in my experience, unless I never got hit with full charge bites, but pretty sure I did

[cyan flame]

If it's still three for stego, then the scaling made no difference

[desert arch]

Yeah but ping is a double edged sword, wouldnt be fair

[sage plover]

all it did was buff it against smaller things

which includes dibble ig, which is painful

[fossil wing]

80 ping aint all that bad

[cyan flame]

I honestly have no idea how the scaling and values are meant to work, but it's not how I imagined it'd be

[cyan flame]

Seems so yes. Overly buffed vs small things, and not nerfed vs large things

[desert arch]

Ill get on norden na then I guess

[sage plover]

ima hop on norden to watch

[fossil wing]

you can have the ping advantage idc but uhhhh what is nordan....

[cyan flame]

I'll wait for the battle report then :D

[desert arch]

Its an na server youll youll be better off
Its an unofficial server with free admin

[desert arch]

Yeah that one

[fossil wing]

joining

[desert arch]

starting the game, need some time

once I get in theres a global chat, so we dont have to clog this channel

[fossil wing]

how do i do the admin stuff?

[sage plover]

you have to do it in their discord, but we can just grow you

here ill grow and tp you to me

[desert arch]

if youd be so kind, could you get me a body so I can get bile please?

[sage plover]

body with shrimp

[desert arch]

thanks!

[sage plover]

potato won as cera with 23% health

[wintry whale]

@quasi flare I think them spawning in a small dingy at the edge of the map and having to navigate to the coast would be cool

[quasi flare]

yeah i just think having the dinos spawn in is a bit boring so having them spawn in different ways would be cool

[wintry whale]

Agreed, would love some more immersion right from the get go

[sage plover]

I killed him cera vs teno, im 97% hp

[sudden bobcat]

Dude Im getting a little mad that I hear rabbits yet Never see them.

[spark roost]

what do rabbits even sound like?

[sage plover]

@fossil wing gg, im like 60%

[faint tapir]

how did it go i'm so curious?

[sage plover]

potato beat him on 29% health, and ive beat him 4 times cera vs teno, lowest I got was around 40%

[faint tapir]

Potato beat him? The troodon player? no way

[fossil wing]

yeah gg see i aint know they nerfed teno kick like that

[sage plover]

I mean it was 275, now 250 it seems, so not a major nerf but a slight one

[cyan flame]

So, what's the conclusion? do teno beat up cera, or do cera beat up teno?

[sage plover]

out of 5 fights, ceras won all of them, potato once, and me 4 times

[fossil wing]

it used to be 412.5 to the head

[sage plover]

yea, 275 x 1.5

[fossil wing]

now its worse and with the new damage reduction mut it kinda trashes on tenos damage

[cyan flame]

So you guys were right then, cera can take teno more or less easily

[sage plover]

yea, and that was against a teno with a brain, also have to keep in mind teno take a lot more time playing to get used to the controls and be skilled with compared to cera

[faint tapir]

Theres one moment over the last few builds that swang the matchup in favor of cera, its when they removed that little stun Cera got at the end of its charge attack. Since then, on equal skill ceras have been winning (on average ofc)

[sage plover]

cera you just need to have good movment, teno you need to know your tailslam and kick hitboxes and be used to having to turn around to attack, which is a lot harder for players to do then they realize

[cyan flame]

I am well aware, used to main teno way back before stego was in, and was rumored to be quite competent at it too.

[fossil wing]

yeah teno does got a bit of a learning curve

[sage plover]

also have to keep in mind, this is a corpse bully that can hunt something with relative ease thats 300 kg heavier than it not on a body, which does not make sense for a corpse bully

[faint tapir]

this

[cyan flame]

It's a bit of a shame, because the concept of corpse bully that you just can't displace is somewhat appealing, but it does seem like cera ends up being better at offense than defense at times

[faint tapir]

cera needs some offensive mobility taken away (idk like its charge bite having stam usage, or only being doable when trotting not sprinting), and in replacement an increase of its bodybuff significantly. so it can hold a space but not hunt. something in that realm of balancing.

[frail prawn]

#general-feedback message I've had this same issue, each time the icon showed I was in the clear (no mutations) and I still broke a leg, I dont see how it'd be game breaking if the Herrera's Icon was brighter and turned red in the danger zone! 😭

[wooden agate]

i agree with bringing it back but not grouping. mostly for muting annoying people + seeing if any admins are online (servers can choose to turn it showing admins on/off but we need to be able to mute people like in legacy) #general-feedback message @queen ember

[lyric cosmos]

The current grouping system is trash, I'd prefer something that makes this game a game

[wooden agate]

eh, i prefer it to legacy due to the immersiveness. i do think there should be a party spawn system where you can form a group in the menu via a code, and spawn in the same area already in a group

yes its a game, but its also meant to be a hardcore survival horror experience. immersion really matters in situations like this

[paper galleon]

@bitter aurora it doesn't need mutation, it needs to adjust the vomit, it was supposed to take longer to vomit the heavier dinos, but it makes one dibble vomit in 2 bites and the rest in 1 bite, they forgot to adjust it and just buffed it, it's unbalanced and they have to nerf it

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message i aint even read this, i see beipi buff and i upvote

[proud coral]

👍

[lyric cosmos]

Im not immersed when the group changes like 6 times cuz someone 2 called.

So I've never understood how the current group system adds to the immersion, but I'm glad it brings you value to your gameplay

[wooden agate]

oh yah it could definitely be refined/made better, i agree with that

it feels unintuitive, yet immersive. old one felt intuitive, yet non immersive. they really just gotta find that special spot where its a good mix of both

[lyric cosmos]

Yeah if they could make the functions more intentional i would probably be satisfied lol

Agree with you 💯

[limpid breach]

@solar salmon I feel that… that’s the exact reason I’m taking a break from the game at the moment lol

[vapid minnow]

bruh @earnest lion mass pinging the server admins isnt going to get you more servers thats a dev issue lmao they control the amount of official servers the admins just manage them 😭😭

[terse hornet]

@earnest lion the amount of servers available isn't something official admins can control, sorry

[mystic parcel]

its a hack

[limpid breach]

Really? I swear I’ve fought people and through the whole fight it was fine then out of nowhere they will hit me from like 10 feet away, always thought it was latency.

[limpid breach]

But also doesn’t surprise me, it feels like hackers basically dominate the servers half the time, they seriously need to get a better software to prevent hackers.

[sudden shell]

something better than easy(to bypass)anti-cheat

[limpid breach]

Lol true

[solar salmon]

Yeah way too many hackers atm

[earnest lion]

well we gotta find someone that has a voice and you do

[terse hornet]

My guess is you can find the missing servers on hordetest branch, seeing as there's like 4 official servers on it for some reason

[mystic parcel]

sometimes latency but there is a hack for distance dmg

[sleek zephyr]

I'm probably just salty because I love playing deino but was underwater vision even QA'd before releasing the patch ughhhh

[worthy plover]

@junior pasture hey man you aren’t confined to the zones. Just yesterday i was hanging out with my friend at south planes (we are both pachies).

No zone there, but after a while a boat load of diet started spawning. I’m not so sure after that if diet is confined just to the patrol or migration zones.

Definitely rarer I think, but not impossible.

[remote summit]

it rains too effin much

[mental mountain]

Add him is a good feedback idea

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/no-vegito-dbz-caption-meme-gif-26332533

[mental mountain]

Yes.

[limber hull]

name one thing he can do unique to him

that is my challenge

[long edge]

Im sure the isle devs will figure something special for him, they gave cerato a vomit, hypsi a spit, and herra a tree leap, they have proven they can be super creative with their ideas and designs :)

[latent olive]

make it breathe fire

[limber hull]

sure, but its concept art doesn't rise high hopes LMAO

[long edge]

Concept art doesn't always translate into the actual designs ingame, quite a few things are left out pretty often, but it doesn't seem that he'll be coming anytime in the near future anyhow so i imagine there'll be changes when the focus is on him

[tepid river]

@boreal nymph The feedback channels are not to be used for reporting suspicious players. If you believe you've encountered an exploiter, please report as laid out in the pins in the regional server chats.

[wooden agate]

@fossil wing kinda based idk #general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Largest punch-up dino in the game (acro doesn't exist)

[limber hull]

what about giga lol

[urban flax]

I'm gonna ask the mods to ban you

[limber hull]

you fear what you cannot understand

[urban flax]

Honestly though
If it was up to me I'd make alberto something like an oversized weasel on crack

High damage, high speed, high durability, terrible stamina economy
And I'd make its special move be a dodge of some sort
So the goal of playing alberto would be to attack something roughly your own size, and mash buttons on your keyboard to kill it faster than you exhaust yourself

[latent olive]

monkey brain albertosaurus

the jokes just write

[wintry whale]

@night obsidian I’d love to see some stuff like that, maybe as an unlockable achievement for certain creatures? Like how it’s referenced that certain gallimimus had feathers at some point in the isle’s story https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1003091745984233563/1091511534024405042/SPOILER_UNHELPFUL_DOCUMENTATION_3_THE_UNHELPENING.png?ex=66f74655&is=66f5f4d5&hm=3545173038df0ef8e336aa14c73f9e942a0640f25dfe806c3c6e26a854acb3b6&

[waxen moss]

@coarse mirage coming next HT i believe

[coarse mirage]

its not just that... the diet system makes no sense too.
fish is fish for example, why schooling fish and elite fish dont share the dot?
why scavengers cant eat dead bodys, example ptera again, is a scavenger according to the devs, cant scavenge at all.
a carni can eat deer but no goat?
a ptera is a carni cant even eat any ai thats not fish or turtle? oh yes, forgot, .. can eat frog... needs 10 or more, tell me where they spawn.
chicken? i found one, in 4 monthes of playtime. better, i heared it, but never seen it.
i would understand, cant eat a dead cera cause of bacteria and things, but cant even eat a deer??
or why scavengers cant eat rotten meat?
it makes soooooooo 0 sense ...

[waxen moss]

Btw frogs give more food/diet when you eat them so don't swallow frogs whole, just wanted to let you know, also there's a mutation that allows you to eat bones if you want to be an scavenger.

[tight iron]

@lyric python go to betas and swap to evrima

legacy (the versino you're in) is discontinued

[lyric python]

how do i go to betas?

[tight iron]

go to properties > betas

but just so you know, evrima is weird as hell so you gonna need to watch a ton of tutorials

(in terms of bugs and stupid features)

[limber hull]

https://gyazo.com/0c3347f2976f66d2e58bc9814becccd7

[lyric python]

okay thank you so much i was so confused

[tight iron]

bnp

[lyric python]

thank you aswell

[lyric python]

okay now its saying my easy anti cheat isnt intalled???

[tight iron]

check on yt how to fix it

[lyric python]

okay

[tight iron]

@dry gate there is no legacy discord

this is the only discord

[dry gate]

there was before wasnt there ?

[tight iron]

so this used to be the legacy discord but is now the evrima discord if you get what i mean

[dry gate]

so can i still like buy dinosaurs so what was that before

[tight iron]

wat

do u mean legacy communities or sum

theres no official legacy servers so you'd have to search for an unofficial one

[dry gate]

ok thanks

[tight iron]

np

ig general feedback is general questions now 💀

@hardy vine probably south plains/east plains

[desert arch]

South plains is still the most common spawpoint so yeah

[vivid hollow]

@hardy vine highlands

[junior pasture]

(im a woman btw :D) i was having issues with it XD i wasnt lying

[cosmic storm]

@maiden anvil #general-feedback message I had said this so many times now, lol, but yeah, you get it!

Oversized groups / mixpacks need the dust cloud thing again.

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message @devout notch
Deino nv actually reduces the distance you can see in water now, and fish usually dont spawn unless its clear skies and daytime.

[devout notch]

It's so dumb, am I supposed to use filters to see anything in this game now? Cause that's what it's leading to right now... It clear for a few mins after I logged, then the weather changed. Nontheless, fish should've been present the moment I spawned and before

[sudden shell]

it is stupid and the fish are weird

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @hazy cypress this already happens. if you're a dibble with coastal diets, you can find diet at any patrol zone on the coast (even if its not your specific PZ. its kinda worth it to go walking around known PZ locations to try and find diet for your animal

granted, this requires a decent memorization of diet plants and where they spawn + your animals diets

[hazy cypress]

not as pachy when my diet is river delta stuff(red currant, potato vine, and potato) it doesnt spawn anywhere and not to mention. i have the preferred diet bug rn like always, so it makes it a bit hard to tell what i can and cant eat

[wooden agate]

can find that near fork plains when a PZ is there, also sometimes in west rail (for some reason)

the diet bug does suck tho

[hazy cypress]

i understand that i can look for diet in other MZ or PZ, but i want it to be like AI is for carnis. AI can be found everywhere and anywhere, but herbis have to go to designated zones. really stupid to me

[tight iron]

@sterile scroll i think we get it

[faint folio]

I like the idea, really hate the implementation. Would be cool if everywhere had sparse amounts of food, animals have specific plants on their diets like before, and each plant had specific events like bumper crops in certain areas.

Eg, for example on the old spiro map-- pumpkins spawn in any field occasionally, but were crazy abundant in NW. Maybe the spawner changes so that pumpkin becomes sparse in NW, but begins to be common in Central. Meanwhile, potatoes are having a bumper crop in SE, but are sparse in central and NW. So you'd still need to visit 3 different areas for diet if you were a large group, but how you choose to get there (or if you want to avoid high pop areas as a small group) is up to you. Really not fair that the herbivores are locked to small areas

[hazy cypress]

i agree with this

[sudden shell]

an amazing idea that im 90% sure they wont implement

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @ornate dew i dont think dilo getting puked in one bite is that big of an issue considering its 600kg lighter than cerato, but things of the same size or larger should definitely take more bites yeah

[ornate dew]

The whole bile system needs to be reworked imo as vomiting the second after it hits you just feels unrealistic

[wooden agate]

it could be reworked yeah, but it does need to have something thats pretty immediate otherwise theres no reason to avoid ceratos like you're meant to

cerato is meant to be this "yeah i could fight it, but why would i?" animal that goes around pushing things off corpses

there probably is a better way to have it though

[ornate dew]

Yea, it's not like people play it with that idea in mind

[burnt kraken]

who was the na4 white dibble who fought two tenos

before restart

wrong chat

[echo fossil]

What's with the random spawns. Sheesh. No more choosing regions?

[chilly ermine]

Depends on how it smells

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message @red comet
Galli doesnt really need bleed, it hits like the truck it runs like

[red comet]

doesnt really do much damage

doesnt need a lot of bleed just some

[sudden shell]

to be fair, its not meant to be killing anything too big. It doesnt make sense from a realistic perspective though, those claws would definitely poke a few holes

it makes sense that it would bleed

[red comet]

yea, i think it should be a glass cannon, hard to hit. but 1 hit and they are dead. fast as all hell, do decent damage and bleed.

[sudden shell]

thats why im not too irked that omni can pin it

[red comet]

yea makes total sense

[wooden agate]

the problem doesn't come with the amount of bleed they do when alone, but how easily they can just destroy every animal in the game when there's 2+

you had gallis trotting around kicking ceratos and carnos to death

[red comet]

nerf the damage and nerf the bleed. but dont remove it entirel;y

if i can kick a cera 20 times before it bites me once, it deserves a reset

[wooden agate]

considering your trot is barely slower than its run, not really lol

[red comet]

i cant kick it from a distance, i have to hit it, stop and run away

[wooden agate]

you don't have to stop when kicking

id just let it be able to knock down omnis again so the match up between them is more dynamic and interesting, but other than that i dont think they need many changes

[sudden shell]

gallis arent that hard to deal with if you know how

the secret trick is dying before they can get to you

works every time

[worthy plover]

You could be a fish for all i know

[sudden shell]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

[worthy plover]

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message This

Like seriously why should a creature get a one shot were the prey can't do anything at all to defend itself

[midnight heath]

When I pinned that PT as a troodon, I won't lie I nearly "accidently" let go because I felt it was unfair.

[marble quail]

It just gives raptor a free kill card especially on something like Galli which it can't really take without pounce

Why should a creature be punished for not being big enough or in Galli's case being big enough and heavy enough but for some reason having and exception mechanic because otherwise raptors would get their asses handed to them

[lilac bolt]

^

[marble quail]

All it proves is that the devs really love the raptor

Whether because they find it cool or they are proud of their made up species it's just annoying to see raptors consistly get buffs while every herbi is nerfed into the ground

Like ever notice that when they added Galli to raptors diet they took away it's bleed and made it pinnable

Like at that point just make it slower than raptor it's obvious you want it to be defenceless

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message You can't really stop that also you could survive if you ran

Also herbi mixpacking is pretty normal why should a herbi just kill another herbi for no reason

[midnight heath]

Stego / dibble is a bit rough honestly, diablo can stun other stegos out of attacks while their stego partner just gets free swings on other stegos. I've had that exact duo kill my stego.

I've also had that same pairing kill my cera, had a diablo chase me down and knock me over for the stego to just run and swipe me.

The deino though is a nothing factor honestly, I don't get the complaints about deino mixing, just don't go near the water and it's null really.

I can decide to not engage with a stego for the most part, but pairing it with something with a stun/knockdown that can keep up with me for the most part makes the mix a bit much.

[marble quail]

Yeah it is a problem but mixpacking isn't the problem

[wintry whale]

Yo

[cosmic storm]

@barren zephyr #general-feedback message Votes have given their opinion; No, suffer. Lmao

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @wintry whale to expand on this, make F6 not turn off manual alt bite lol

[proper perch]

How can i fix the DLSS bug?

[tight iron]

cause it's your fault for being pinned

theres tons of ways to avoid raptors, if you get pinned that's on you

it's unfair for the raptor to let you escape

committing a mistake, paying for it but suddenly pulling out a get out of jail free card is just stupid

it's like me saying add a dodge to herrera jump so we got 2 seconds to press it and an alert shows up

just... no

[paper galleon]

for now you can only deactivate it, either that or wait for it to "fix itself"

[north quiver]

because people enjoy the skilless hold-rmb-to-win play style rather than actually tracking down the heavily bleeding prey

[tight iron]

i hope you realize that's how most of the game's playables work

so like what you said is just dumb

if something is supposed to catch small things who are nimble, agile and quick, why would it not be able to restrain and kill that thing

most importantly why on earth would something that has committed a grave mistake get a get out of jail free card

it's just stupid

the "dodge" is just don't get pinned, ez

everything that can get pinned also has reliable and easy ways to not get pinned

so just use them instead of complaining about being pinned down for committing a mistake

i just got 1 tapped by a carno ram, please nerf carno ram so that it can't 1 tap things that it is supposed to hunt and kill

i just got 1 tapped by a herrera, please nerf herrera so that i can stand below a tree with 7 herreras up there knowing they wont be able to kill me

like bro

[lucid mauve]

I got pinned by a omni as herrera, 100 desereved kill from the omni. I should have dodged it

[tight iron]

i get it, yall hate being pinned, i despise it as well so youre not alone, but just use wasd

[tight iron]

got pinned as a small carno wehn stealing the intestines of a fresh raptor kill

2 hours trying to find intestines 💀

was really frustrated but what did i expect

[lucid mauve]

lol, yea know the feeling. But i dont mind dying over stuff like that, its fair

[coarse mirage]

@delicate mesa ever heared of vpn?
or of using a common mobile phone hotspot?
there are more ways to hide or fake your provider ip, your device ip, and even your country you come from than ways to block any of this. on top, starting with steam itself, there is no interest in perma bann people by the industry. because, you get banned, you just buy the product again for a new alt account. they earn twice on idiots.

[delicate mesa]

well that’s why i said hardware-ban aswell? amongst other things

[coarse mirage]

there is no such thing as a hardware ban. sorry to say but there isnt.

[delicate mesa]

yes there is actually

i’ve played a lot of games in the past wich would hardware ban you if you cheated amongst other things

[coarse mirage]

no there is not. i just can hide any device behind a virtual mask. trust me, if i want to get access to a banned product, i get it.

[delicate mesa]

a quick google search and you couldve had the awnser

[coarse mirage]

yes. you know where this works? with xbox and playstation. but with pc, you always can shidt around.

[delicate mesa]

no 😂

[coarse mirage]

yes 🙂 but lets cut it and agree to disagree 🤗

[soft dagger]

dude its a fact not an opinion

you can't disagee on facts

I suggest doing some research on the subject before you tell someone they're wrong

[coarse mirage]

bro, again, if you dont know how to work around a hardware ban, you just a rookie hacker. with a pc and ebough knowledge, this is not a problem.

you can literaly use just a virtual pc just for example if the hardware ban is just level 1 or 2 ...

[delicate mesa]

please do not give advice on a topic of wich you clearly lack knowledge, thank you very much, you are also aware that even if you use a vm you still use the same processor etc?

[soft dagger]

still a better suggestion than doing nothing so

[delicate mesa]

i am not discussing this any further, thank you

[coarse mirage]

ok, i stop this topic. not because of where your advice is pointing to, but because i had to laugh hard and you made 1/2 point. i should not give advices on how to do that to idiots

[delicate mesa]

so now we are getting offensive? you know i’ve worked in cybersecurity right?

so maybe lower the tone

[soft dagger]

crazy you can't remain civil and have to resort to insults.

[coarse mirage]

nono. i dont mean you by that, i mean those hackers n cheaters. no offence. i know youre wrong in your opinion, but that does nopt make you anything out of this. if you ntook it this way, i apologice. that was not what i ment to say. ok?

[delicate mesa]

a opinion cannot be wrong, because its its not a fact. i'am talking facts and i think me working in cybersecurity knows a little more than a random computer fanatic

i'am dropping this useless discussion

have a good day

[coarse mirage]

u 2 😉

[tight iron]

yus

might as well make a tutorial so ppl stop complaining about something that is fair

[cyan flame]

Would probably help if killing was faster, I think it might be in part why people dislike it (and lunge at times) so much. You're just sitting there, nothing you can do. If you get hit by a stego, you just die outright, so there's no waiting around while being helpless.

Cause well, obviously some things will oneshot others with various attacks, that's not a bad thing (or we'll have herreras surviving a rex bite and so on)

[tight iron]

yes, people hate it cause of that

[cyan flame]

Could just do "pin" = massive damage like the pounce attack version. And then something similar for the pounce to pin (but also add more requirements there, seriously, it should be a proper finisher and not just a "pile on" move). Would also help with pounce to pinning something only for it to get back up after the omnis are out of stam (if that's still a thing, last time we talked you did mention pinning seemed to do much less damage I think?).

[tight iron]

oh i don't remember if they nerfed the pin damage anymore smh

i just know they increased stam cost by a really considerable amount

so tehy kinda made it a finisher without making it a "under no circumstnaces will you be able to pile on" yknow

[cyan flame]

At least something then, but I'm not sure the 65% weight requirement alone should allow for pinning, it does kind of make it pretty meh. Let direct pin remain for solo omnis only, there it makes more sense at least

[brittle storm]

They do Hwid bans but the only one which can issue it are the Developers

Regular admins cannot do it (You just get a server ban)

[tight iron]

bruh

[lilac bolt]

Idk just gonna depend on the person and what they consider fair to die to and a decent amount of people just simply don't like dying in that way to something like that where they lose complete control over their dino since it's the same for things like deino as well. With Herrera at the very least you had to stay still long enough enough for a player to target and hit you but with deino or omni it's just death without control.

[tight iron]

you cant see herreras or deinos tho

you can see raptors and quite easily

so it wouldnt make any sense wahtsoever to give ppl a get out of jail free card

[lilac bolt]

You can see Herreras it's just hard to see them

[tight iron]

uh no not really

they got perfect camo

[cyan flame]

Hence why speeding up the killing time would help I think

[tight iron]

a damage buff...

the solution imo is just to stop complaining and accept that mistakes can get you killed

buffing pinning damage wouldnt make any sense

[cyan flame]

Yes and no, it'd be only for the "pin state" for solo omni

Deino is a bit easier cause you can make things drown faster

[tight iron]

yes

[cyan flame]

If held by deino = double oxygen drain or something

So it'd be something like that but for pin, if it would work

[tight iron]

but watching yourself die is just part of the gameplay tbh

i dont think watching yourself die is so problematic that people need a get out of jail free card to not go mentally insane

[cyan flame]

Eh, it's not really fun, so you could mitigate that

[tight iron]

it's not fun, i agree, but i don't think a buff is the way to mitigate it...

happens to me a lot that i dodge the raptor for a ton of time, he catches me, pins me but runs outta stam in like 5 seconds

[cyan flame]

True, but ideally it'd get you from the start, which is where the "issue" is

[tight iron]

yus i understand

[cyan flame]

Same with deino, sure maybe you juked the deino three times as teno or cera swimming, and it'd fail the lunge then, but normally it wouldn't go that way

[tight iron]

i just dont think it's an "issue" taht needs to be addressed

cause like

it aint even an issue at all

[cyan flame]

That's fair, I think it could be worth looking into but I don't really see a need for it as it stands either

[tight iron]

it is someone perishing thats pretty much it

[tight iron]

i mean why not but when the game is finished probably

or close to

[cyan flame]

Sure, I overall agree with you that it isn't much of an issue, but I also don't think it'd be bad to give deino lunge state and omni pin state some kind of extra "you die quicker" thing. Like how being knocked down by a carno has been suggested to make the target take more damage from the carno and similar.

[tight iron]

probably

[lucid mauve]

Didnt the devs said they wanted us to see our deaths ? Like even more then we do now, ofcourse you could choose not to

[barren zephyr]

Wtf is this

I can't play anything

Can someone help me pls if they know what to do?

[lilac bolt]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[boreal briar]

@gritty kernel I think if this was implemented, weight should be considered, and not count certain AI. Mostly just for nests.
But it also brings up the opportunity to troll nests with larger bodies.

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message @lilac bolt
it could give the pt's diet based on what the bigger thing ate

[lilac bolt]

Possibly there's a decent amount you can do with just a simple concept like that so idk. Maybe it could be simple and just give the ptera a decent amount of food not sure though

[sudden shell]

it could remove the mixpacking icon for the pts and the bigger thing so they can be left alone

[lilac bolt]

Maybe it could just give food or diet for the ptera and maybe a slight buff in something for whatever dino the ptera cleans that's what makes sense to me at least

That way they both gain in a meaningful way

[wintry whale]

@exotic epoch Spam e to open organs now, rather than biting

[sudden shell]

rump do you think they should add a keybind for thrashing? it seems like it would be fun

[wintry whale]

I could take it or leave it

[wintry whale]

@charred widget Raptor is very hard to hit and can choose between bleeding or damaging enemies on pounce now

[cyan flame]

@charred widgetHow is it unplayable?

[upper ferry]

Can anyone tell me why the Na West servers don't exist anymore?

[solemn tinsel]

Why was my suggestion in #general-feedback deleted?

[pure tinsel]

@lilac bolt about your suggestion, it's cool but those in the image are not pteras they are much smaller, I guess they are like the small flyers that attack you in the game

[lilac bolt]

Not sure but either way letting pteras do that in game would be nice in general just up to the devs to make it work if they decide to add it as a feature.

[pure tinsel]

it would be better if it was a feature for the small flyers AI not pteras because pteras are big to clean a dinosaur mouth

[lilac bolt]

Yeah either that or juvie pteras could do it and not adults.

[icy lion]

Bug reports go in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[solemn tinsel]

Thank you Superlunary, I appreciate it!

[boreal briar]

@trail ridge onto flat ground? Or do you slide at all? Sliding down a cliff or even falling onto a slope will prevent fall damage.

[marble quail]

Yes cool but first off Galli shouldn't even get pinned and second off the pin is literally just punishing playables that are small for being small

[marble quail]

No it's like saying that the Herrera jump shouldn't be a one shot

[marble quail]

I'm not asking for a dodge I'm asking for bucking like with latching

Why do bigger species get to get away by bucking but smaller ones don't

[marble quail]

Exactly that's why it's stupid taking away player control is like the first thing your not supposed to do in game design

[half ravine]

wont lie i had a adult beipi die to a proably still freash spawn raptor or at lest 30 min old sucker pin it and kill with little ability to excape. like i love the little beipi but god dam is it stright a pray critter.

[marble quail]

I have a question if pounce latching gets bucking why doesn't pinning get it

[marble quail]

Exactly like smalls shouldn't just have to accept death while bigs don't it's literally just oh your small guess you die then

And with Galli it's even worse because it's bigger and heavier than raptor why does it get pinned

[half ravine]

ill accept a pin with 2 raptors

[marble quail]

The pin requirements should be 100% weight or over for one raptor and Galli should just not be pinned it should be latched

[half ravine]

but hearing an adult died to 1 visa pin is a tad crazy. like there. ya maybe a knock down on the jump. but ya the ability to wiggle would be nice. as it would save the omnivores from just being road kill.

espicaly galli sense its big enough. beipi well its a tiny thing. if it just always dies oh well. but vs a young raptor whos not exactly no bigger then it ya i feel there should be some chance.

[marble quail]

Yeah I got got by a sub raptor as a fg galli and all I could do was sit there as my friends came running

At that time I thought you could buck so I was spamming e and wonder why I couldn't get out

[half ravine]

also they removed the bleed of galli's kick. wont lie proably its only defence

[marble quail]

Exactly they really just told Galli to die when they added it to raptors diet, removed it's bleed and mad it pinnable

[half ravine]

now before i leave my tree safty spot as the harra on ca1 anyone eltse notice NA servers disapearing

[marble quail]

Oh yeah they removed some

They added an AU 2 so that's good but NA really needs more servers considering there are a lot of players there

[half ravine]

like theres ONLY NA 5 CA 1 and NA2 and no ones on NA 2

at lest when ever i look at the serverlist

[tight iron]

the pin is punishing playables for messing up

[marble quail]

Yeah originally with the Aussie community we were not using AU 2 at all because we had dinos on AU 1 so the waits were really long but everyone died so we kinda now have a balance

[tight iron]

and galli should get pinned but have the ability to knock down raptors

[marble quail]

Do the bigs get punished though

[tight iron]

yes

[marble quail]

As hard as smalls

[tight iron]

even worse

[marble quail]

Do they because they can actually survive

[tight iron]

yesyes ik

[marble quail]

Like why can't they have bucking what is the problem

[tight iron]

you can survive but you gotta deal with the inmense bleed applied on you + the fact that if you die, it's way more difficult to grow

[marble quail]

It's not a get out of jail free card it's being consistent

[tight iron]

that it just doesnt make sense

[marble quail]

Why can't a galli that weighs more than a raptor not throw a raptor off

[tight iron]

a galli doesnt weigh more tho

[tight iron]

you invalidate the only consistent way for raptors to properly kill you even tho you made a fatal mistake that led to that

[marble quail]

Oh excuse me it weighs like 25 kg less

[tight iron]

pretty sure it's 40kg less? not sure, never played galli

[marble quail]

The fatal mistake was trying to run to my companions

[marble quail]

450 kg, 425 kg

[tight iron]

a fatal mistake is a fatal mistake

[marble quail]

Also the only time I was pinned as galli was by a sub adult which at max was 362 kg while I was a fg galli at 425 kg

We don't even need a buck just make it so the pin requirements are higher

[tight iron]

not a lot but not a little either

we dont need any nerf whatsoever

what gallis need is the ability to knock down raptors

and their bleed back

that way it's not a stupid chicken that takes millenia to grow

[marble quail]

Yeah exactly Galli was just told to die by devs when they added it to raptors diet, took it's bleed and made it pinnable

[tight iron]

unpinnable galli would be awful

[marble quail]

Yeah it used to be quite powerful but now it's kinda useless against anything larger

[tight iron]

raptors would have absolutely no chance of getting away or fighting back, it would be a "i die if i am seen" scenario

[marble quail]

A group used to be able to take a fg cera which is insane

[tight iron]

so better to keep em pinnable, but bro at least make them useful

takes too long to grow for what it offers

[marble quail]

Now a single one fg can't take a sub raptor

[tight iron]

is the damage that low

[marble quail]

Yeah

[tight iron]

how much damage does it deal?

[marble quail]

Is it's bite force equal to it's kick force

Because it's bite force is like 25

[tight iron]

im assuming not

cause they can pack a punch unless they also nerfed the damage

[marble quail]

Yeah they can but the bleed was really needed

Like the kick is alright but it uses stam and good amount

It's not worth it without the bleed

This feels like the nerfing of the Beipi with surface speed and breach height

[tight iron]

i dont think it was worth it with the bleed

[marble quail]

I think it was the bleed was pretty good especially against dilo and raptor who can't really handle bleed

[tight iron]

absolutely

but for what it offered, i dont think that even with bleed it was worth it

[marble quail]

Like the Beipi lost breach height which was basically it's only way to deal with annoying ptera so now it kinda dies to ptera

[tight iron]

but now it feels like a dumb chicken

[tight iron]

wait waht did they do to breaching height...?

[marble quail]

A very fast and survivable dumb chicken but a dumb chicken

[marble quail]

Nerfed it into the ground you can't rocket into the air anymore

[tight iron]

bru

[marble quail]

The patch notes should've just said made Beipi no longer fun as intended

Apparently it was a glitch

[tight iron]

at this point yeah

[half ravine]

ya its a simple jump. but with jump speeding and the swim bost mutation

[marble quail]

The devs have it out for smalls and omnivores

[tight iron]

im guessing galli is getting the ptera and beipi treatment now

[half ravine]

they still can speed like mad

[marble quail]

Yeah

[half ravine]

but it seams the omnivores are just food for 90% of the isle if its not big

[marble quail]

Beipi fun until you get one shot by literally everything and everything sees you as an easy target

[tight iron]

omnivores are pretty much useless at this point ig

[marble quail]

Most of the time herbis will just kill you because you are friends with deino and they can't take deino so they just kill you

[tight iron]

galli cant deal bleed and cant knock raptors down

[tight iron]

amazing gameplay

truly fascinating

[marble quail]

Literally just oh you have a friend that protects you and hurts me guess you have to die because I'm a bully who won't attack the main threat and instead the tiny penguin that's friend with the threat

[tight iron]

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