general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Carnos could hunt maias really well, they really could

[cunning night]

and i say this being a legacy player for a long time and also, for being one of the only few maia players

[cyan flame]

How long you've played it? When did you start playing?

[swift herald]

don't waste your time @cyan flame

[cyan flame]

Going to try and calculate the amount of hits respective side requires, it's weight/weight times the attack, right?

[cunning night]

2021 i started playing the Isle, i changed to evrima on 2023

[cyan flame]

Well, then I can tell you I got way more time than you do

[cunning night]

2 years of playing legacy

[cunning night]

so u should know what a maia can do

[cyan flame]

I do, and I know maia loses out if the carno knows what its doing

[cunning night]

aight bub, no turn ratio on that thing, light compared to a maia, almost the same damage and i don't think carno gives much of bleed damage

what the hell did u played on legacy? apexes only?

[cyan flame]

You get about 10 bleed per hit on the maia

[swift herald]

It is undeniable that it is extremely easy for a carnotaurus to put pressure on a Maia and kill him. Don't waste your time trying to convince someone who doesn't see the facts.

[cyan flame]

No, I mained carno for a long while, then played giga during, whenever the time we had fireflies around the little ponds, played dryo for a while too (nested in people), and before para got overly nerfed I played it for quite some time too.

Played a bit of various critters, also "ceratorex" back when that was a thing

[cyan flame]

Right, but here's the thing, you need 10 hits to kill the carno, the carno needs 19. If the carno trades for 6 of those hits, and you don't get to rest, that is going to A, wear down your health, you're not a ceratorex, and you're not an allo. You will feel that, while the carno, out of range, can heal up. So at some point, you'll end up being either bled out, or facetanked if you've run around too much and thus lost health.

[cunning night]

what facts? the fact that i played maia a lot and know what i'm talking? cuz turn it's real on legacy and the amount of carnos i got with that it's the same as players that won't play anything besides apexes

[cyan flame]

So it's a bit of a longer hunt, but the entire strategy is to trade to stack bleed, and thus prevent you from healing (while losing health due to the bleed), while recovering safely out of reach

[swift herald]

Just because the Carnotaurus is faster and has more stamina, it can choose when to retreat safely, while the Maia would not be able to escape.

[cyan flame]

And 50+ bleed will be noticable

Even if you could heal it off very quickly by resting, but well, it's not going to let you sit there and rest

[cunning night]

if he retreats maia can do the same, cuz maia can sustain more damage

[swift herald]

besides the advantage of accumulating bleeding

[cunning night]

and heal the bleed mid time

[cyan flame]

Carno can follow maia however, nipping at its tail

If you run, I'll just bite your rear, adding damage and bleed

[cunning night]

u disregarding turn completely

[cyan flame]

And maia is almost as clunky in turn as carno

Not at all, but if you're standing still, you're not running away

[cunning night]

what do u think maia is, an AI?

[cyan flame]

And if you're running, your turn isn't that good

Not at all, I think it's a great playable for messing with utahs and dilos and so on, it's fast, tanky and can be quite vicious

[cunning night]

still way better than carno that just can go straight

[cyan flame]

Walk turn, and even running, carno turn is good enough to stay behind

[cunning night]

aight bub, maia still has 7/10 against carno

say that carno turn is good

[swift herald]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[cyan flame]

I mean, if the carno knows what its doing, its going to win, you might be able to mess it up and make it really close, but the carno has the advantage

Similar to how it goes vs cerato, but less bleed to deal with, and more to chew through

If you can force the facetank, you'll win, but if you can't, the carno will eventually get you

So you're not entirely wrong, shove yourself into a corner and you're good to go

[swift herald]

For a legacy carno to lose to a Maia, he has to be a terrible player

[cyan flame]

At least maia does better than it did in progression at times

[swift herald]

Without bleeding, the Carnotaurus can withdraw from combat whenever it wants, while the Maia cannot escape, and will always be suffering from bleeding.

• speed + stam

[thorn verge]

why do i see so many people down voting the suggestions to bring the "heart" icon back to show ur hp? i feel like this is a good thing to have, u see ur stam, food, and water; why not hp too?

[gentle flint]

A lot of people don’t like when you can be like “okay I can take exactly X more amounts of shots from this kind of Dino” because it makes people fight a lot more/stay a lot longer than they should

[lyric cosmos]

How do I light a beacon for #general-feedback message

[dry falcon]

then why was it added to begin with

[cyan flame]

Maybe just to test, not everything added sticks around after all

[gentle flint]

I don’t know, there’s lots of things that get added and then taken away as the impacts are then later realized. I don’t personally care if the heart stays or go, just saying that’s a common argument

[dry falcon]

fair enough

im still confused as to why the devs random buff/nerf some aspects of the game as well in each patch

like in U6 they increased carno's ram hitbox

and in this latest pach they nerfed beipi's surface swim speed

[tame wing]

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[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Dude Cerato are supposed to be scavengers that find food they can eat which is basically everything, they are terrible hunters and it makes sense why a pack of sub Cera's are out classed by an adult dibble

Also they are adding stronger carnos

[verbal basin]

7 ceras bro

[marble quail]

Yes and

[verbal basin]

7

[marble quail]

They are dog at hunting

Sub Cera aren't that powerful

[limber hull]

wait you lost to a diablo as SEVEN ceratos

huh

[marble quail]

Also probably a skill problem

[verbal basin]

yeah bro he was at wall and took like 40% hp of each cera per hit

[limber hull]

not even, ceratos are one of the best punch up predators in the game, highly effective against larger creatures like stego or diablo

[verbal basin]

took a lot of bites and survived

[marble quail]

Adult dibble that has high attack for you as you are sub

[limber hull]

oh wait, sub

[frail anvil]

Ceras are among the few that can actually take on a diablo

[verbal basin]

there was 40% ones and 70% but it was still 7 vs 1 bro

[limber hull]

being sub is the only excuse here because subs are slow as hell

[marble quail]

This really just sounds like a thing where the Diablo was just a better player

[limber hull]

okay but like

you're sub ceras. 7 dryos vs a carno still isn't going to be a sweep for the dryos LMAO

[verbal basin]

he was just at the wall

hitting when someone come closer

does not seem like a lot of skill for me

[limber hull]

wait so you ran INTO him

[marble quail]

That is a good defensive strategy

[verbal basin]

nop, but we was starving so we needed to try to attack which was almost impossible

[marble quail]

It is if you come out of that situation killing most of the ceras and escaping

[uncut zephyr]

A warriors gambit

[marble quail]

There is your problem

[limber hull]

you're cerato. you have the longest scent range in the game. you can eat rotten food.

[verbal basin]

im not even mad ceras are weak, im mad herbivores can kill more than carnivores which does not make sense

[marble quail]

You can eat each other

[limber hull]

an adult diablo should not be the go-to option

[marble quail]

It does

[limber hull]

THAT TOO

[verbal basin]

there
was
no
food

[limber hull]

YOU COULDA JUST

KILLED ONE OF YOUR MEGAPACK MATES LOL

[verbal basin]

nah

[marble quail]

It is a herbivore that main attributes are defending against predators

[limber hull]

ceras aren't even weak, they're one of the best carnivores atm, and diablo's biggest threat

[frail anvil]

Are ceras weak now? Haven’t played recently but they used to be S tier I thought

[marble quail]

If a anklyo beats up a pack of raptors that makes sense

[limber hull]

they still are strong lol

[marble quail]

Diablo's have some of the highest damage and bleed damage in Envirma

[frail anvil]

That’s what i figured. Idk what this guy is yapping about

[verbal basin]

they only lose to dibble, another ceras, stego and pack of herreras, raptors and deino

[limber hull]

not even lol

cerato charge bite does more damage than most of diablo's attacks

[marble quail]

Well not highest but still quite high

[limber hull]

ah, fair

[marble quail]

Especially compared to a sub cera's health

It also has a high amount of health

[frail anvil]

Maybe a skill issue but my pack of 6 ceras killed a pack of 6 dibbles and we only lost a few cuz stegos were helping them

[verbal basin]

cera bite does 150

[marble quail]

An adult Dibble has way more weight than a sub cera meaning you do less damage

[limber hull]

that's the legacy numbers.

[marble quail]

Cool an adult Dibble has 3250 health and wya more weight

[verbal basin]

yeah

[limber hull]

it has 3000 HP lol

again, legacy numbers

[frail anvil]

I thought weight=health on evrima which is 3000

[limber hull]

the wiki is entirely inaccurate lol

[marble quail]

You were going to die if the dibble player was any good and they probably were if they survived

[limber hull]

yup

[marble quail]

Damage is still calculated based on attacker v defender weight

[limber hull]

it is not

that has been gone since, again, legacy

[marble quail]

Even an allo might struggle against a dibble if they are good enough

[verbal basin]

i only know that if herbivores kill more than carnivores, something is wrong

[limber hull]

(what's wrong is a skill issue LMAO)

[marble quail]

No it isn't

[verbal basin]

yes it is

[marble quail]

Herbivores are supposed to defend against carnis

[verbal basin]

you lying if you never died to a group of herbs just chilling and killing everything even others herbs
or alone ones too

[marble quail]

Only once

[uncut zephyr]

just leave

[marble quail]

Herbs are pretty chill for me

[limber hull]

herbis slow

me walk away

herbis sad

[uncut zephyr]

just don't go near them

[frail anvil]

U are faster than the aggro herbs

[verbal basin]

defense is not hunting

[marble quail]

Herbis don't hunt

[verbal basin]

they hunt in this game, lone dibbles just killing everything

[marble quail]

Oh you are in one of those servers

[verbal basin]

gangs killing everything, other herbs too ( i died a lot of times for herbs packs )

[limber hull]

how diablo is slower than literally everything bar stego and aquatics

[verbal basin]

official servers

[marble quail]

I know

[limber hull]

how is diablo hunting anything when everything can just leave

[frail anvil]

lol stay out of official

[marble quail]

Even then aquatics are still fast if near water

[verbal basin]

diablo is almost the speed of an big cera and a young sub one cant run a dibble

[marble quail]

No

[verbal basin]

its true, i died several times bc dibble was just faster

[marble quail]

In envirma they are kinda slow

[marble quail]

Tf were you playing as

[limber hull]

By that logic, cera is almost the speed of an adult dryo

They're nearly the same number

[marble quail]

A juvie stego

[verbal basin]

makes sense
smal body
smal legs

[marble quail]

How the hell is a dibble faster than you useless you ran out of stamina

[verbal basin]

40% cera

full stam

just tried to escape and he still got me, dibbles are fast

[marble quail]

Ok no

[limber hull]

no, ceras are slow while young

[marble quail]

Did you run into a corner

[verbal basin]

running at plains

[limber hull]

diablos are not fast. ceratos are just slow when juvi or sub

[marble quail]

Yeah that

[limber hull]

you should not try to hunt literally anything as a sub cera, you scavenge

[marble quail]

If you want to play something fast play like galli or raptor

If you just play one thing you don't do well

[limber hull]

Literally blaming diablo for your own gameplay mistakes lmao

[verbal basin]

makes no sense
ceras have big leg and like aerodinamyc body to run while dibble are fat and smal legged

[marble quail]

Be adaptive

[verbal basin]

i was NOT trying to hunt it, just escape, he wanted to hunt me

[limber hull]

Not when they're SMALL AND YOUNG LMAO

[limber hull]

Were you not part of a 7 cerato pack trying to kill it

[marble quail]

People trash on beipi but they are quite good, really fast if in water and usually always have food

[verbal basin]

BRO 40% IS ALMOST A SUB

[limber hull]

IT'S NOT EVEN A SUB

[marble quail]

And nothing eats them other than like deino

[limber hull]

AND SUBS ARE STILL SLOW COMPARED TO AN ADULT ON CERATO LMAO

[marble quail]

Which they can outmaneuver

[verbal basin]

beipi are cute but i dont like so much ankle bitters

[verbal basin]

makes sense, adult should be faster than a baby

but not a fat small legged tank vs a scavanger runner bro

[marble quail]

Dude if you play as a carni expect everything but other carnis to be hostile unless you prove you are friendly

[limber hull]

It's not even a runner

[verbal basin]

i know bro

[marble quail]

You are a juvie or sub cera you are SLOW

[verbal basin]

dibble should be slower

[marble quail]

And cera are really slow for their size

[limber hull]

It seems that you, and a 6 cerato pack, angered an adult diablo, then were surprised when it killed you because you made it angry

Literally, leaving it alone and finding food would've been your best option

[marble quail]

It is an adult

[limber hull]

No it shouldn't lmao.

[marble quail]

An adult elephant is faster than a child human

[limber hull]

Rhinos exist lmao, and they move faster than lots of young animals, god forbid

[verbal basin]

im just mad herbs kill everything bro
in real life, carnivores kill more which make sense
this game should be more realistic

[limber hull]

thats not even in real life

herbivores kill their predators if the predators don't know to back up, or they get angry

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[verbal basin]

make sense, elephant is big, have big legs and are 3m while human are only 1
bug cera is almsost dibble size

[verbal basin]

he defending bro

[limber hull]

He is CHASING

????

[limber hull]

Cerato is less than half diablo's size

[verbal basin]

yeah bro

[limber hull]

zebras, moose, hippos, donkeys, wilderbeest, all of these animals will just clock a carnivore for getting near them. Or just simply existing within the same space

zebras kill other zebras in their herd lmao

[marble quail]

Herbis are made to defend from predators

[verbal basin]

yeah but they NOT hunt the carnivores, they only make them go away

[limber hull]

they KILL CARNIVORES lol

[verbal basin]

and carnivores still kill more than herbs

[uncut zephyr]

And he did, by killing you

[verbal basin]

if the carnivore dont go away

[marble quail]

Anklyo can clock a trex

[limber hull]

I have watched zebras violently stomp these things to death

[limber hull]

Not even

A zebra in a herd saw a cheetah at a distance and sprinted it down

The cheetah was tired, so the zebra kept chasing it, until it got exhausted and died from being trampled over and over

[marble quail]

Or they see them as too much of a threat and kill it to be safe

[verbal basin]

nop

[marble quail]

YES

[verbal basin]

nah bro

[limber hull]

you messed with the bull and you got the horns LMAO

[marble quail]

Predators usually get clocked by prey that are bigger and stronger than them

A buffalo destroys a pack of wolves

[verbal basin]

idk why you guys protect dibble so much, it is obviously broken

[uncut zephyr]

"I should be able to start a fight with zero consequence and herbs should just let me leave if I no longer want to fight them"

[limber hull]

im not protecting dibble, i just think you messed up lol

[marble quail]

No

[marble quail]

A herd of alphacas can easily spit in the eyes of predators and kick them to death

[verbal basin]

broken range
fast for a fatty tank
much weight for speed

[verbal basin]

a herd

[marble quail]

A single one could destroy a wolf if given the chance

[limber hull]

A single Diablo over 5x your weight doesn’t really care if you’re a carnivore or not

[marble quail]

Easily outclassed by a pack of raptors

Or ADULT Ceras

[verbal basin]

just run to water and u fine and raptors are easy to get

[verbal basin]

how much? 3 per dibble?

[marble quail]

Yes because that makes sense

Predators usually need to be in packs to hunt predators

[verbal basin]

cannibal creatures need a group to kill a herb?

[marble quail]

Because the prey is usually stronger

[verbal basin]

bear
cheetah
lion

[marble quail]

YES

[marble quail]

Cheetahs are smaller than most of their prey

[verbal basin]

crocs

[marble quail]

And bears and lions are literally apex predators of course they are stronger than their prey

[marble quail]

Hippo

[verbal basin]

thats what im sayin

we need a terrestrial apex

[marble quail]

CERA'S SCAVENGERS

[marble quail]

You know they are working on Allo

And other dinos

Excited for Theri to show you that prey are really strong

[verbal basin]

i was not asking for make cera stronger or dibble weaker, i was asking for a BIG LONE CARNIVORE

[marble quail]

Adult Carno

[verbal basin]

i think allo is gonna be almost like a cera, in strenght

[verbal basin]

carno is weaker than a cera

[marble quail]

The bleed

[verbal basin]

less dmg and hp

[marble quail]

Faster

Does more dmg because charge attack

[verbal basin]

so a bigger raptor

[marble quail]

Yes

[verbal basin]

charge attack needs to charge and its easy to avoid with a cera, at least for me is easy to avoid

[verbal basin]

does not looks like a apex at all

[uncut zephyr]

It isn't

[marble quail]

Yes because cera has really good turn

We will get apexs soon

Theri is consider an apex herbi

[verbal basin]

i hope we get a big acro
i rlly like acro

[marble quail]

He is not an apex

[uncut zephyr]

so is stego

[marble quail]

Theri stronger

[verbal basin]

they need to focus on stronger carnivores first, before the apex herbs bc there is herbs stronger than all carnis ( stego )

[uncut zephyr]

Ok? Doesn't mean it isn't an apex

[marble quail]

Not saying that

[verbal basin]

its almost an apex

its rlly big and strong

[marble quail]

Literally all the news on dinos in devlogs have been allo, trex, dibble and austro

[verbal basin]

austroraptor?

[marble quail]

Yes

[verbal basin]

they said when is it comin?

like year idk

[marble quail]

No but allo is probably close and then either trex or austro

[midnight heath]

Cera isn't a hunter to begin with, you're supposed to scavenge and eat rotting corpses for the most part. Of course 3 adult diablos tore you a new one.

[verbal basin]

yeah

[marble quail]

No they were in a pack of 7 sub ceras and they got owned by a single adult dibble

[icy lion]

Rex is closer than allo

[marble quail]

Really

We've gotten mroe stuff on allo than rex

[midnight heath]

Still, cera doesn't have a lot of health to begin with, let alone subs. Cera still isn't a hunter, it's a corpse bully.

[marble quail]

I'd rather have allo because the trex might not be implemented to official if it is not balanced

[marble quail]

What I am saying

[verbal basin]

i was not asking to make ceras stronger or dibbles weaker i was asking for a big carnivore faster bc now herbs kill everything

[midnight heath]

Cera is nearly the same speed as diablo; neither are that fast.

They're both in the 30s.

[marble quail]

And subs are slower

[icy lion]

Not in dev blogs, streams, or comments, no

[marble quail]

Huh

[midnight heath]

Subs shouldn't have gone after diablos to begin with, from the sound of the post they engaged the diablos.

[marble quail]

Yes

This also just sounds like a skill thing where the Dibble player was just better

I'd say that any dino can be good if used by the right player

The exception to this is Troodon because it's Troodon

[midnight heath]

It also sounds like the case of "my playable has sharp teeth and claws, it's superior" while forgetting that herbivores aren't just walking food for carnivores.

[barren crater]

Nah sub ceras can go after diablos lol

[midnight heath]

They can, but I don't think the average one will do too well. Ceras are far more of an issue to diablo than something like cera just because of their agility.

[marble quail]

Yes exactly

[verbal basin]

they are not walking food but carnivores still need to be able to take them down bc carnivores need meat

if they cant take down, they just starve

[midnight heath]

Then maybe it's time to pick battles a little more carefully, not every herbivore will be in your range of killing. You'd be better off killing another carnivore like an omni; plus, you're playing a cannibal.

You had food with you, 7 ceras are far above the pack limit, you starved whilst mega-packing when you should have just eaten another cera.

Of course you all starved running with 7 sub ceras.

[verbal basin]

ceras are scavanger, there was no food to scavange and we just dont wanted to kill selfes, we dont needed each other diet to
scavangers need a bigger dino, a hunter to take down the herbs and get the food so the scavanger can eat the bones or expired pieces
but this game got no bigger hunter so we needed to be the hunters

[uncut zephyr]

beggars can't be choosers, if you were actively starving you should've killed a member of your megapack and eaten them

[midnight heath]

Hunting isn't scavenging; again cera is not a hunter.

An adult pack of ceras can kill a diablo, you picked a bad fight and mega-packed. You should have killed one of the many people in your pack; again playing a cannibal and exceeding the pack limit. You starved because you overpacked with too many mouths and were too stubborn to just kill another cera despite it being well within your means of killing and eating.

[barren crater]

The answer was so simple as well. Puke the diablo and force it to go for water. Then get free hits when it tries to leave lol

[verbal basin]

he was puking but still at the wall

not leaving it

[barren crater]

Why didn't you wait them out?????? You would have got them

[uncut zephyr]

I don't think any of them were adult based off of what was said previously

[midnight heath]

They weren't, I was just pointing out that an adult pack can because they're claiming we need bigger carnivores; when the current ones can kill them.

[verbal basin]

he would just lay down to rest

[midnight heath]

I don't want to say it's a skill issue but they had food, they're playing a cannibal and still chose to overpack and not cannibalize.

[limber hull]

Carno has more damage and more HP. Are you looking at legacy stats again

[barren crater]

You do realise that by puking a creature, their water goes down?

[uncut zephyr]

Oh absolutely, packs do just as well as a large singular predator if not better sometimes

[verbal basin]

bc there was a herb
i prefer trying to kill an herb instead of killing a friend

[barren crater]

Which means they would have died from thirst if you waited them out

[midnight heath]

And? Herb doesn't = food.

You're over-packing, the limit is 4 and you had 7, that's alot of mouths to feed if you're not going to cannibalize.

[verbal basin]

if i waited
i was gonna starve with pack

[uncut zephyr]

So eat one of them

Problem solved

Or don't megapack so you don't need to get as much food

[limber hull]

Playing a cannibal scavenger then doing neither and blaming the Diablo is so funny

[midnight heath]

Even in a normal pack of 4, typically as cera once someone starts starving - someone gets eaten. It's a cannibal, if one of you just decided "yeah, I'll start over", it could have easily saved 3 of you from starving to death.

[verbal basin]

why we talking so much about this if my suggestion was about getting a hunter at the game and not making dibbles weaker or ceras stronger

[limber hull]

We’re getting Rex soon anyways (and trike to go with it iirc, so the big herbis will still be around lol)

[barren crater]

the diablo was also low so it could have gone any way. But anyways, we're getting rex soon and allo has been shown to be in development

[verbal basin]

looks good

[uncut zephyr]

The point is that packs of carnis are still able to kill larger herbivores if they are smart about it

You don't need to be an apex to kill a dibble

[limber hull]

Guarantee you that trike will just reset the status quo on “big herbi too strong and killed carnivore” though lol

[verbal basin]

packs

i want a lone hunter

[verbal basin]

in legacy at least rex and trike was just fine to me

[limber hull]

Deino

[verbal basin]

98% time at water
right click simulator

he does not fight, he just catch the prey and eat it

[limber hull]

Okay but neither does acro LMAO

[verbal basin]

acro is a terrestrial so

good chasing

[limber hull]

In fact acro, from what we know, literally just does what deino does, minus the water

[verbal basin]

wht

[limber hull]

Right click simulator, poor speed/stam, hits you once and you die. It’s the same

[limber hull]

Acro chokes out its prey in concept art. It’s another deino

[uncut zephyr]

@limber hull Obviously we need rex leg break so herbs can't just run away

[midnight heath]

People are going to hate trike when it bodies 90% of the roster

[verbal basin]

i must have confused with another dino

[midnight heath]

The giant ceratopsion with rail-spikes attached to it's face will be "OP"

[limber hull]

It kinda bodies our entire roster lol, and even Rex. It’s set up for success

If diablo is any indication, trike will thrive

[midnight heath]

God I hope so

[limber hull]

You probably will rely on two rexes/gigas to even take one down

[latent olive]

please please please please please please

[midnight heath]

I feel like giga, if it keeps it's bleed will be pretty nasty

[latent olive]

for the love of the replicator dont make trike a glorified stego

[limber hull]

Especially given all apexes will be given sparring, so he can keep you in front of him

[uncut zephyr]

I can't wait for people to complain that rex can't kill anky immediately

[latent olive]

i am going to be so mad if trike is given a 3 second cooldown on its alt attacks because mr. omni (alpha wolf niche) stood next to it and spammed bite

[midnight heath]

I don't feel like most things will kill anky; however I know Legacy rex easily just straddled the poor thing.

[limber hull]

Probably won’t be because unlike stego, it isn’t stego

Thus it gets respect and doesn’t get random arbitrary nerfs

[latent olive]

i would argue stego isnt stego either

its a shell

[midnight heath]

It's a

[limber hull]

I don’t even understand what people want from stego. “It does too much damage.”

Ya. It’s a stego. That weapon on its tail can kebab the organs of any bozo who wanders in its line of sight

I don’t care if you’re a raptor or a Rex, that will hurt

[midnight heath]

I've again, never died to a stego outside of being another stego or being mixed.

[limber hull]

Genuinely wild how ignorable it is

[verbal basin]

if he is op, just ask to not add it to game

[midnight heath]

My most recent death literally only happened because it was a mixpack, if the diablo didn't knock me down I was just going to keep walking away from it.

[midnight heath]

What are you on about

[latent olive]

they want a cow

they want something they can mildly challenge so they can then feed easy for hours

[midnight heath]

Trike should body the roster, it's a trike. It's just as iconic and as intimidating as rex.

[limber hull]

I still remember when I first played EVRIMA and I saw stegos wandering the plains and it genuinely was awesome. I loved seeing stego herds just grazing and wandering

[limber hull]

It’s the one animal we know was a genuine and consistent threat to Rex

[midnight heath]

Fossil records showing it off for sure 💪

[verbal basin]

yeah but its a big jump from a diablo to a trike

[midnight heath]

Yeah, because one is an apex.

[limber hull]

It’s a bigger jump from cera to Rex

[midnight heath]

Nuh uh

I am curious how the growth time will be for the two

[limber hull]

Long and horrible is Dondi’s primary depiction of growing then

With the new “stomach grows with you” mechanic, they will be active, hungry and at constant risk

[midnight heath]

Can't complain, I don't really want multiple rexes and trikes at once.

I also don't feel like rex or trike should really group past 2, if at all but that's just a personal opinion.

I saw that, I thought though the stomach thing was going to be for everything, yeah?

[limber hull]

Ya

[midnight heath]

So rex will need a lot of meat and trike will need to be a literal lawnmower

[verbal basin]

idk i just wanted a bigger hunter dont need to be that big

[limber hull]

Rex will likely need over a dozen tons of meat to grow lol

[verbal basin]

rex looks cool but if he gonna be that strong its better dont have it

[midnight heath]

Bigger "hunters" means we need bigger herbivores.

[limber hull]

^

[midnight heath]

And bigger herbivores bodying "big hunters" will still very much be a thing.

God wait til shant is out and about.

[verbal basin]

only trike beating rex and only rex beating trike looks not cool

[limber hull]

Brachi

[midnight heath]

Sauropods will be neat for sure

[midnight heath]

Trike should kill a rex in 1v1, rex should struggle to kill trike.

Carnivore mains really need to understand that not every hunt is supposed to be successful, you should consider what herbivore you're choosing to hunt.

[verbal basin]

yeah but there needs to be an hunter for each herb
like what can kill a single stego alone or in a pack of 2-3 ?

[icy lion]

Deino

Even ceras sometimes lol

Good omnis can

[verbal basin]

rare

[verbal basin]

deino is the stronger dino of the game and he can only hunt if the prey gets close to water

[verbal basin]

and if the stego dont run after the first hit bc adult deino cant grab adult stego if i remember well

[midnight heath]

I've killed stegos with cera. Omni can and so can troodon.

[verbal basin]

alone cera?

[barren crater]

Deino players when trike swims after them

"I should be able to drown it"

[midnight heath]

No, because I'm not going to fight a stego as a solo cera. You said in a pack of 2-3

[verbal basin]

so do you think 3 ceras can beat a single stego ?

[midnight heath]

I don't think, they can.

[verbal basin]

if stego just run to a wall he safe

a single hit removes all cera hp

almost*

[midnight heath]

He can only swing one way, so that's not even true.

And no, only headshots 1-tap cera. It's 2 hits for a kill.

The previous group I killed a stego, everyone got hit at least once before it died.

[verbal basin]

" almost "

[midnight heath]

Bait a swing, go in to bite and move before it swings again; repeat.

The "almost" adds nothing to your point.

Like someone pointing out before, if you make it vomit multiple times; it'll start to dehydrate.

[verbal basin]

if the stego is not good enough

[midnight heath]

It will move from the rock to drink, or it'll start to take DMG.

[verbal basin]

you need to do good hits for it to work

and

arent you saying ceras are not supposed to hunt?

[midnight heath]

A good stego and bad stego both have the same animation time per swing.

And no, any part of the body will cause a bile build-up if you have it.

Yep! They're not meant to be hunters, but currently they can. An experienced cera can, in fact hunt a lot of things.

That will likely change in the near future with the talk of bile being weight based but for now, a good cera can handle itself pretty okay.

[verbal basin]

so if the stego was experienced like you, you was no chance?

[midnight heath]

They'd have a better one, less likely to be baited as easy but it'd vomit all the same. I had a pack at the time, it's easy enough to take turns watching to get water while waiting it out.

Stegos just take patience to hunt

Patience a lot of people just don't seem to have

[latent olive]

its me, im the people who dont have patience

[midnight heath]

And if said stego kills me and the 2 others, good on them. I picked a fight where they do in fact, have the upper hand and died because of it.

I miss those 30-45 minute fights in Legacy I won't lie

[verbal basin]

people just dont have time

[strange quiver]

Can't post in gen feedback again so I'm saying it here for the moment:

I wish community servers could remove the awful spawnlock on death.

Any kind of "sandbox" style servers suffer because you've got adults patrolling spawn areas killing fresh spawns before they can grow 10x more often than on officials... Leading to some animals getting completely locked out of play for 10 minutes.

Any kind of server that encourages learning pvp that's not specifically a free admin server feels bad right now.

[midnight heath]

Then don't go after the stego then.

[verbal basin]

diet

[midnight heath]

Stegos not the only thing on your shopping list of food.

No food? Log out then, try again later. Or starve and start over in a new place.

[verbal basin]

its rlly rare to find a dilo and when you find it, it just runs bc its faster

[midnight heath]

Hopefully it will be something community servers can turn off later.

[verbal basin]

almost no one use it

[midnight heath]

Yeah, they're fast but very, very squishy.

That's not true, I saw a pack of dilos yesterday at West Rail and killed one that went after my pachy.

They were camping the sanctuary, dilos are around West Rail, Highlands and SP more often than not.

[verbal basin]

u lucky

[midnight heath]

More so they were unlucky

[strange quiver]

Wish it had been a toggle immediately upon release, tbh. Nobody moves from spawns in pvp style servers, so you just wind up punished for existing even if grows are relatively fast-- because until you fully grow, you're an immediate target to every other animal in the vicinity. It feels so bad and makes trying to practice certain animals or try mutation combos an uphill battle to say the least lol

[verbal basin]

last time i saw a dilo was 3 days ago with cera

just rlly rare to find pll using

and even rarier to get

[midnight heath]

It's not rare, you're just not looking in the right places.

And cera isn't going to catch dilo anyhow; cera is very slow.

[verbal basin]

yeah

the best shot is the slow stego

[midnight heath]

No, your best shot is to eat corpses.

[verbal basin]

i look at hot spots, the only place you rlly find pll at this game

[midnight heath]

Because it's a corpse bully, again; not a hunter.

[verbal basin]

mz too

[verbal basin]

if dilo is rare in general and stego is strong, how am i supposed to find corpses of it?

[midnight heath]

Stegos kill stegos, diablos kill stegos, baby stegos die often traveling to their MZ from swamps; if they didn't die you'd see far more.

Dilo again, is not rare. They're just fast and they don't have a lot of meat to begin with; AI will eat them or other players will before you, more so that's likely what's happening.

You can find young stegos in the swamps, Highlands and Highlands pond.

[verbal basin]

i never saw adult stegos just killing selfes, diablos only kill baby stegos and baby does not have enought food for a adult

[midnight heath]

Stegos kill stegos more than any other players.

Diablos can kill adult stegos pretty easy.

Beggers can't be choosers. Stego isn't your only // option.

[verbal basin]

you just saying " if you are lucky enough you can just find a adult one killing another adult one for no reason and you get the food "

[verbal basin]

dilo faster, if he run i just dont eat it

[midnight heath]

I'm not, but I'm saying it happens. I found 3 adolescents stego corpses in the Highlands not long ago because 1 adult was in fact, killing every stego that arrived. Stegos killing stegos isn't a rare occurrence and have been very common since Spiro.

Yep. You're playing something that eats corpses, deciding not to seek out corpses and dying because of it isn't the fault of the game.

I don't struggle with cera, cera is far more laxed in my opinion to play.

[limber hull]

You can eat bones for all nutrients, intestines for the same diet as stego, etc

[midnight heath]

They're really acting like stego and dilo is the 1 // they have

[verbal basin]

only was a baby

[midnight heath]

Not to mention I'm pretty sure cera has goat as // too, doesn't it?

[verbal basin]

you just got RLLY lucky

[midnight heath]

No, no you don't.

[verbal basin]

goat gives almost no food

you swallow to get a lot to fill diet

like 20

[midnight heath]

AI shouldn't give a lot of food, you should be looking for food a lot; otherwise it'd be too easy to sustain yourself on just AI.

[verbal basin]

and you will lose some diets looking for another goats too

[midnight heath]

I've never had these issues

[verbal basin]

i have these everytime i play with cera

[midnight heath]

Cera is a pretty easy carnivore to maintain given you eat rot, bones, etc.

Your hunger decay to isn't that aggressive.

Plus it's again, a cannibal. Kill one cera and get all your diet from them and the organs they provide. Ceras are in no short supply.

Not killing other ceras means you're in direct competition for food with them.

[verbal basin]

im not gonna risk myself in another big ceras for some diet, its better just team up

fighting with another cera is like 50/50

[verbal basin]

im saying diet

[midnight heath]

Then team up and kill other ceras.

And cera fights are easy, just don't be the one chasing.

[verbal basin]

stego diet

[midnight heath]

Bones and corpses give you diet.

Organs give you diet

[verbal basin]

i just dont want to be an coward team just killing babyes of my on species and all

[midnight heath]

If you don't want to kill your own species, maybe don't pick a cannibal.

[verbal basin]

thats the poing

[midnight heath]

Whenever I play cera, once I'm an adult anything over 60% is food.

[verbal basin]

point*

[midnight heath]

And you don't team to kill babies, you duo to kill other lone ceras.

[verbal basin]

that was what i was asking for at suggestion, a big hunter for me to use

[midnight heath]

Play carno

[verbal basin]

i dont like carno, they even weaker

[midnight heath]

They're not, you're looking at Legacy stats.

Carno has 1800 health, cera has 1600 health. Carno deals more DMG per bite.

[verbal basin]

its not that easy just find adult ceras

[midnight heath]

It is, they're in SP a lot.

[verbal basin]

i play at south plains

still rlly hard to find them

[midnight heath]

They're around, there's a lot of corpses.

[verbal basin]

baby ones

[midnight heath]

This is going in circles, you won't listen to me, nor anyone else whose chimed in. Best of luck to you.

[verbal basin]

i was just killing some time, chilling whit my stego and talking
it was fun tho

[midnight heath]

👍

[sick cradle]

im struggling to find food, theres gotta be a fix because ai just doesn't spawn

[indigo mural]

Are you on an ai server?

[valid ether]

@verbal basin Bit late to the party, and I don't know if anyone told you.
But allo is the next dino being released, it's been teased plenty in the last videos and such. So your wish we'll be fulfilled, in hopefully not too long

[limber hull]

It isn’t

Maia or Rex is

Allo is likely after them

(And trike)

[valid ether]

Are you sure? Why would they have teased him so much then?

[limber hull]

To build hype? They teased Rex over six months ago lmao

And have confirmed that Maia, Rex and trike are still the priorities

[valid ether]

Odd choice, rex better be first, and added to officials then

[limber hull]

The plan is to figure out if they can balance it to add it to officials. If they can’t, to unofficials it goes

[valid ether]

If they can't, frankly, I'd call that a major L, being at the helm of a dinosaur based game and all

[limber hull]

Eh. Balance is balance. If Rex doesn’t work in this roster, it is what it is.

[valid ether]

I'd say he won't be balanced as the game is, I wouldn't think the roster is expanded enough into the higher tiers

Right now we've had stego for ages (and now diablo), without any real threat from any predator.
Instead of adding allo first, as a same tier predator, they're adding an apex to deal with the non apex herbis?
It has got to be hype they're adding him, no?

[lucid mauve]

Im confused with the apex talk. They saying that they gonna be more powerfull then legacy, and if they cant balance them into the official somethings off. And if stego is an apex as they have said, its the worste apex ever if u compare it to legacy.

[cyan flame]

Well, it could be one way to figure out if they can deal with the apex, so that might be why

[limber hull]

Stego needs a whole plethora of buffs to be Rex-ready

[cyan flame]

That's just because stego isnt considered an apex and isn't "allowed" to be as powerful as it could be, because that's not their vision for it

[valid ether]

That's true

[cyan flame]

Trike will be far more powerful than stego, and it depends on how they see rex vs trike, but both of them are going to be more powerful than stego and deino in any case. As for acro... god only knows really

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but still kissen said it was an apex. But sometimes, its not technicly an apex she also said

[valid ether]

If it can be outran, it must have the means to defend itself

[lucid mauve]

It will be sad if we loose all the apexes, cus they cant balance them.

[cyan flame]

I don't think that was said about stego, wasn't that acro more so? Or well, perhaps that they think stego is too powerful, and hence why apexes are even harder to balance

Because they really want them to be apexes, and that does not work very well with balance

[lucid mauve]

KissenKitten #TeamFoszor — 06/26/2023 11:37 AM
Pretty sure Acro is going to count as an apex

Yea, maybe she didnt say stego

[valid ether]

Rex should be more of an ambush dino, I think that's how he should be balanced, bad stam and somewhat mediocre speed.

Or maybe he should have some variant of the legacy ambush

[limber hull]

Acro needs an entire rework lmao. That thing is disgusting

[lucid mauve]

What you mean, thats my fatty guy : P

[limber hull]

And it’s one of the worst designed dinos in the game lol

[cyan flame]

Nah, I actually like it, or well, I like it because it gives me a reason to make acro the carni version of stego (my ideal stego that is)

[limber hull]

It’s kinda just deino though

[lucid mauve]

lol, i just dont see how that thing is even gonna run away from an anky

[limber hull]

Except less engaging

[cyan flame]

Well, if you're only thinking of the chokehold, yes. But that depends on how it's done too

But it is a bit interesting that acro is shown to kill trike, and cama, but thinking stego could be made to fight off a rex or trike is heresy of the highest order

[limber hull]

You mean 50% of its total concept art lmao

[limber hull]

Well stego is a herbivore

[cyan flame]

True! Perfect argument right there!

[cyan flame]

Well, we don't know how the chokehold will work, do we?

[limber hull]

From what we’ve seen, it doesn’t really seem to have any engaging features

[cyan flame]

We've not really seen much, aside from a concept art though, which we can't tell how it went down from one scene

[lucid mauve]

I was suprise the acro could take a trike aswell, not sure if it was an adult tho

[valid ether]

Concept art isn't law though

[lucid mauve]

Im so confused by the balance atm neways, when im seeing stegos dying to a few dibbles.

Dibbles should be good at defending, not attacking against a dino that also should be very good at defending.

[valid ether]

Yeah, got killed by cannibal dibbles earlier
It would be nice if the one defending had a big upperhand against attackers versus being the aggressor
That would help with hyper aggressive herbi players

Particularly thinking about diablo's run charge knockdown

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but looks like they going pot balance if u played that. You win by numbers not skill

[valid ether]

Yeah

[lucid mauve]

Did you enjoy dibble ?

[valid ether]

I did, until I got killed by mixpackers, but that's a different issue

[lucid mauve]

off yea thats hell, know the feeling

[valid ether]

Only problem was; that pretty much no predators (except mixpackers and canni dibbles) dared attack me, the carnivore roster is lacking

[limber hull]

The carnivore roster is still more varied than the herbi roster lmao

[valid ether]

That may be, but currently the strongest carnivore (on land) is cerato, and he isn't really even meant to be much of a hunter

[cyan flame]

Troodon, omni, carno (is decent), dilo, oh and herrera is lethal at times too. Troodons got buffed in their potency, omnis have grapple, dilo can be a terror at night and so on.

Not sure how you're counting "strongest" but they're not lacking on the carni side

[valid ether]

I can only speak for myself, but playing diablo I've never come across any of those in large enough packs to pose any real danger.
Carno is in no way, shape or form capable of hunting an adult diablo, neither is herra (that would have to be a very particular scenario)

But I suppose that would be an issue of too few people playing them

By 'strong' I mean dinos that are stronger as a singular entity, that doesn't have to rely on packing in such a high degree to take down larger prey.
The dinos you mentioned require a lot more people to be playing them to work, something like Allo would be able to accomplish to a similar degree, what the more pack based dinos do, with less people playing them

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is like one of the worst playables atm

[valid ether]

Never cared for the new hallucination mechanic for dilo.
Wish they just stuck with something regarding bleed.
Don't like that you have to rely on the hallucination-AI for how well you can fight

[whole orbit]

#general-feedback message @midnight heath there isn’t really a way to fix mixpacking. Just play on community servers

[midnight heath]

Love how you read the part where I mentioned that there's no fully populated unofficial servers.

I never said fix either, I said discourage.

[whole orbit]

There is.

[midnight heath]

Name an NA one please.

[whole orbit]

There isn’t a way to do that without people exploiting it.

[valid ether]

I mean, back on the legacy servers (at least for my part), running into mixpackers was pretty rare.
Something must've changed

[midnight heath]

That's not true, a few things have been brought up that don't require debuffs.

[whole orbit]

Such as

[midnight heath]

#balance-feedback message

Hard to exploit and would be super nice.

Brought it up again this month, 2 others have also jumped on the icon idea. #balance-feedback message

[valid ether]

Another thing that could discourage mixpacking is if AI don't spawn when there's a certain amount of different dinos in a small space

[midnight heath]

But again please give me an NA server with said rule that's populated. I'd love to see this invisible servers.

[whole orbit]

That can still be abused lmfao. They can just create some distance between eachother and then attack when they find something

[midnight heath]

If that fight takes more than 2 minutes that is

[valid ether]

That's not abusing it

That's avoiding, which makes it discouraging

[tight iron]

zero

[midnight heath]

Can't protect your bleeding friend from a distance either

[tight iron]

absolutely none

[whole orbit]

Ye my bad

It dosent do much of a diffrence imo

[midnight heath]

It would

Again, you can't body-block your friends without being close to them. You can't dogpile without being close.

If you're not watching 24/7 how close you are, which players likely wouldn't means an icon is pretty likely to pop up at some point.

[valid ether]

The goal is to add enough things that aren't too intrusive and can't be abused which decreases how often mixpacking occurs

[midnight heath]

Exactly

[whole orbit]

You can still do other stuff such as breaking your opponents leg and then letting your stego buddy kill the opponent for example

[midnight heath]

The sheer amount of dilos, omnis and carnos I saw literally piled ontop of one another today alone is insane.

[midnight heath]

Again, like the other person said. It's just something to discourage it, there's going to out gaps no doubt.

[whole orbit]

I see, fair enough

[midnight heath]

Right now there's nothing to discourage said behavior. Genuinely anything would be a blessing.

[valid ether]

You can probably not make it never happen, even on servers with moderation.
But bring it to an acceptable level

[midnight heath]

It's like hacking, it's going to still happen but making it harder to do so is better than doing nothing at all.

[valid ether]

Yeah

Make it not worth the hassle

[midnight heath]

I again, haven't had a PVP related death that didn't involve a mix-pack outside of 4 since this update.

I don't know why it's so popular right now.

[valid ether]

A handful of people I've come across almost seem oblivious of the fact that's it's frowned upon.
Maybe just adding it as a popup rule like legacy when you enter the server would make it a little better

[midnight heath]

Legacy was different, but yeah. I had a friend come from Legacy and not understand why it's frowned on.

[lucid mauve]

Just add a rule, no mixpacking. Im sure noone who plays the isle are toxic or tryhards

[valid ether]

It wouldn't resolve the issue, but it couldn't hurt.
Maybe along with other discouragments it could make a tiny dent

Maybe some will even get the impression that it's moderated

[cosmic storm]

#general-feedback message “It isn’t realistic for a species to eat it’s own” except all the species such as chimpanzees, hamsters, lions, praying mantises, black widows, tiger sharks, salamanders, ladybugs, polar bears, red squirrels, tigers, hippos, cane toads, jaguars, I will stop listing here, but the simple is all these species and more have had reported examples of cannibalism so I think it’s more unrealistic for a species not to have at least a few members who are cannibals for one reason or another. I don’t need to even consider mentioning humans but in case you didn’t know, there’s many reported cases of humans also cannibalizing each other, I could also bring up reported fossil evidence for Allosaurus and other dinosaurs as well, so dinos do it too.
Life uh… found a way…
But saying it’s unrealistic is quite ignorant, I advise looking up something like that, you’ll find a lot of scientific papers and info on the topic, and you will also find yourself very very mistaken.

Edit: HOW COULD I! I forgot the most famous example of dinosaur cannibalism with the most irrefutable evidence! Majungasaurus literally known for it’s fossils displaying direct cannibalism!

[strange quiver]

Always an odd choice to ❌ something directed at more community options. Not sure why giving servers the ability to remove spawn locking would be a bad thing in any capacity.

[limber hull]

rather just them work on actually adding the random spawns than adjusting the current very flawed system for unofficials, especially when said system is apparently not long for this world

[valid ether]

#general-feedback message, @quasi cypress
If they could increase the player count to such outlandish values without affecting general server performance, they would.
I reckon we'd be lucky if they manage 200

The limit for most servers is 100 because of techincal restrictions, not because they've deemed that's the best population

[cosmic storm]

There’s 2 issues with server counts and map size;
If you want players to be dispersed across the map you need a lot of players or a smaller map, you can’t have very few players and giant map, it simply doesn’t work, and if you’re going to fill the gaps with AI you might as well make the game singleplayer with the ability to allow others to join.

This is why Legacy was good, the map wasn’t too big and players could easily find each other regardless of where they were, V3 was big enough as it is, we didn’t need a new map that was 50x bigger, it’s simply unnecessary and honestly makes the game very unwelcoming to anyone looking for a multiplayer experience with their friends, which again ruins the point of multiplayer so again might as well be single player with complex AI.

If they want a big map, they need bigger server counts, so why in the world waste all that time making an absurdly massive map?

Do they not play their own game?

[cosmic storm]

Don’t answer that, I already know they don’t based on poor design decisions.

[junior linden]

because even though it is a fact that Cerato is totally broken, people insist on being reluctant about a nerf?

[cosmic storm]

#general-feedback message I mean, I don’t have the ability to judge, I can’t even try to play carnivores, with exception to the troodon, so I probably shouldn’t be voting against this.

But from my experience, I don’t notice anything different about them to other dinosaurs.

Hell, I have only ever encountered 1 dilophosaur, still mostly raptors and carnos, now with a few ceratos, and barely anything else have I met.

I might notice the imperfections if the map wasn’t so large I never can find any players as a carnivore.

What’s the point in nerfing insignificance am I right?

[tight iron]

uhhhhhhh

are you sure it's a fact

cause today ive committed cera massacre

as a raptor

[junior linden]

you beating a cerato pack doesn't mean anything, with all due respect
but it doesn't change the fact that Cerato is currently the strongest dinosaur in the entire game, a bunch of adult Cerato if they are not bad players is impossible to lose to any other species

[tight iron]

uhhhhhhhh

1 dibble can kill 3 ceras

1 carno can kill 2 ceras

and they are slower than anything else, they must be robust and able to fight off most things

otherwise, it's a "oh a carno saw me, guess im dead!"

[cosmic storm]

I can confirm, I usually see ceras getting duked if there’s anything other than a cera in the area and a fight starts.

[tight iron]

cera requires a lot of skill to use

however when you have that skill, yeah you're strong

but again, it needs that strength

[cosmic storm]

Carno is like a frying pan, cera is a face, and they are determined to make direct, swift, and physical contact.

[tight iron]

LMAO

[junior linden]

ok if you say that cerato requires any skill level there is no reason for there to be any chat anymore here it is literally the easiest of all carnivores

[tight iron]

nah it's not

[cosmic storm]

Maybe he’s saying that cause it doesn’t starve to death on birth.

[tight iron]

or cause he doesn't play cera

growing a cera is a pain in the ass

slow as heck, can be chased down and killed by almost everything

[junior linden]

not to mention the difficulty of finding and keeping 8 adult raptors, which is very difficult to get together, with Cerato any idiot can grow and destroy anything in front of him

[tight iron]

nope

[cosmic storm]

I play stego mainly, so I can’t relate

[tight iron]

i play raptor mainly but i like cera and teno as well

[junior linden]

If you have 4 - 5 adult raptors, which is a common number (due to the difficulty of finding 8) and you run head-on with 4 Ceratos, you will be destroyed in seconds

[tight iron]

2 raptors can kill a cera

and 4 ceras is crazy

it's like finding 16 raptors or 4 carnos, you aint surviving that

[cosmic storm]

So in a 1v1 a heavier creature beats a lighter creature, got it, conversation is done we solved the problem.

[junior linden]

yes literally no one talked about 1v1 until now you are just being a dino brain animal

[cosmic storm]

Of course a cera is more powerful than a raptor in a 1v1 fight, a 4v4 gives the ceras the upper hand since they’re stronger and have the ability to form a strong defensive position.

A heavier creature will obviously beat a lighter creature.

[junior linden]

yes if you are 4 cerato adult you won't be able to kill that is the point no one is talking about 1v1 here

[cosmic storm]

Your point was lost the moment you compared them in an equal numbers fight.

4-5 raptors will obviously loose to 4 ceras.

[junior linden]

good luck finding 8 adult raptors on the official server

already 4 cerato you turn into a mountain and find 10 cerato instantly

[cosmic storm]

You’re going to complain that the Trex is too powerful when you try to 1v1 a Trex with a Utahraptor and loose

[junior linden]

I'm going to make it easier for you, since you can't understand anything that's written, you gather 8 adult raptors and try to fight against 4 adult Ceratos, that's it, you're going to be wiped out with your group of raptors or you're going to run so that everyone doesn't die.

If Ceratos has a mouse and keyboard connected, that's enough to win the fight because he's literally the strongest and easiest dino in the game

[cosmic storm]

Ok, and? That seems reasonable that a pack of 4 ceratos would have a strong defense and offense, why are you trying to fight a force heavier and stronger than yourself and expecting a survival simulator to replicate a combat game?

[junior linden]

why is combat included in the survival simulator?

[cosmic storm]

Because survival has combat? What do you not play survival games?

[junior linden]

based on your opinion when rex is launched it should kill any carnivore in 1 - 1.5 hits and that's it. an insta kill machine

no gameplay

[cosmic storm]

The Isle is a Multiplayer Horror Survival, not a FPS PvP game, your trying to compare Jurassic Park from the dinosaurs perspective to Call of Duty.

[junior linden]

ok it's like I said, as soon as you launch rex make him do 1 hit on each dino and that's how things should be

[cosmic storm]

Again, your going to complain that Trex is too strong when you try to 1v1 it with a Utahraptor. The game isn’t designed like that.

[tight iron]

yeah because why tf would you fight 4 ceras

[junior linden]

In fact, I don't ever play 1v1, I have a group, so I never complained about 1v1, you're just being stupid.

[tight iron]

fight 1-2

and even then, rn you can pin all 4

2 raptors per cera

[junior linden]

ok when you launch rex and there are huge groups of 6 rex cleaning the server and making you main stego cry, don't come here and type

[tight iron]

that will definetely happen

[junior linden]

after all, the rex must give 2 hits to its large adult stego

[cosmic storm]

That already happened with Carnos when they came out.

And yes my stego died a lot.

[junior linden]

this is what you deserve

[cosmic storm]

I’m still not complaining that Carnos are too powerful because they’re not.

[tight iron]

but sure let's seriously nerf cera cause 4 ceras can kill 8 raptors

like cmon man

[cosmic storm]

“What you deserve” said the guy who can’t play a dino simulator like a dino simulator.

[junior linden]

yes carno is literally weak any adult raptor can kill him even in 1v1 he should be buffed just like nerfed cerato

[cosmic storm]

Don’t mock me when you don’t even know how to play the game as intended.

[tight iron]

carno should be buffed yes

but if a raptor kills you in a 1v1, brother

[junior linden]

no its survivor horror game

no buffs and nerfs available

[cosmic storm]

Raptor gets trumped by Cerato because Cerato is heavier and stronger, of course in a 4v4, 3v3, any number equal on both sides to an equal 1 to 1 numbers ratio, a Cera is expected to win most of the time.

[tight iron]

why are you so mad over this

like just why are you so mad over this

cera doesnt need a nerf

[cosmic storm]

He keeps loosing his raptor because he’s not playing the game right.

[tight iron]

it just doesnt

it's not as strong as you claim it to be

[junior linden]

I'm not mad this silver is just crazy, I never talked about 1v1 or anything like that and he's blah blah blah blah until now

[tight iron]

you are very mad over this

the way you talk to him proves it

[cosmic storm]

You made an equal comparison, 4v4, and are calling me crazy, lmao

[junior linden]

Of course I came to talk about x he says I'm talking about y, like what's the point

[cosmic storm]

Again Cera beats Raptor, Rock Paper Scissors, Cera is rock, Raptor is Scissors

[half karma]

Let's calm it down and get back on track

[junior linden]

its done

[cosmic storm]

We’re on track, issue is someone doesn’t understand weight class in a combat situation.

[half karma]

Then let's stop making assumptions and being unneedly aggressive towards each other.
Take a breather

[cosmic storm]

4 ceras vs 4 raptors, who wins?

[half karma]

Are you asking me?

[cosmic storm]

Yes

[junior linden]

look how stupid you are

[half karma]

It comes down to the skill of the person behind each dinosaur.

[cosmic storm]

But in a straight brawl where there’s no skill and all biting

Who is expected to win

[cosmic storm]

You made the argument, I am merely repeating what you were comparing.

[half karma]

In situations within the game, it never is as straight forward as that, so while on paper maybe it coule be one way, the likely hood it will always come out or in a majority even, is rare and iffy at best

[velvet otter]

I said that 8 raptor doesn't have the slightest chance against 4 cerato, I never said about 1v1 or equal numbers to distort everything that was said like that

[cosmic storm]

Who are you?

[cosmic storm]

This is a funny way to avoid answering that the heavier and bigger dinosaur wins in a straight fight.

[velvet otter]

and as it's an online game, most people will always play with the strongest dinosaur, that's why there are so many Cerato and Dilos currently in the game, that's obvious, whether you say it's a survivor horror blah or not

[cosmic storm]

I don’t see this unbalanced numbering you complain about.

[half karma]

I just don't believe that all things may be taken into account. Straight bites, probably cera, but maneuverability/bleed, omni

[valid brook]

coule

[cosmic storm]

This is a far more helpful answer, because it’s confirming what I said; Cera wins in a up front brute force fight with no skills used.

[half karma]

hush you 🦨

[cosmic storm]

Now in a fight where the ceratosaurs form a formation where they have heads facing outwards giving them a defensive advantage, I would expect 4 raptors to get crushed in a fight almost regardless of skill, otherwise the raptors would never fight them in the first place unless forced into a tough spot or starving.

4 dinosaurs can cover all 4 directions of attack giving them the defensive advantage, ceratosaurs being slow would obviously use this tactic over trying to pursue a raptor and getting split from their group.

Am I reasonable in stating this?

[chilly ermine]

@manic knoll #general-feedback message

I really like this idea. Bacteria could fill up fast to stop people from abusing it.

[cosmic storm]

That is a good idea

[cosmic storm]

Anyways, I believe that in a fight where 4 ceratos can cover all directions of course they will win against even a large number of omnis. But a lone cera will obviously be easier to take out due to its tail being unguarded, this is expected.

So I believe the complaint to be unreasonable due to the comparison of a 4 ceras vs 5 raptors situation.

The same is to be stated with most large dinosaurs vs smaller dinosaurs, 4 stegos will beat even 4 carnos in a fight with good defensive positioning.

Anyways, I believe this has been explained enough to confirm the argument that Dilos and Ceras need nerfing is rather nonsensical and the complaint is more of a matter of positioning and skill.

[chilly ermine]

should 8 omnis be able to take out 4 ceras?

[cosmic storm]

In a skill-less fight no, in a fight containing skill, potentially depending on if the ceras are on the defensive or on the offensive.

[chilly ermine]

I've always felt that it isn't about ratios but animal behavior and situations (IE when would omnis want to take on a pack of 4 ceras as apposed to hunting 1 or 2). I've seen a lot of comments in the past about how people think "fights" should play out. It's not about fights in this game it's about survival tactics. And that means running away at times.

[cosmic storm]

If the ceras on the defensive they naturally have an obvious advantage due to higher bite force and higher health so they will have a slight upper hand, raptors likely won’t win unless they can find gaps and get between them or split them up somehow.

[cosmic storm]

But humans are playing these animals so you have to look at it from a human strategic standpoint, The Art Of War

[chilly ermine]

Cera is designed to be a defensive playable though so I think the advantage is purposeful.

[cosmic storm]

In which case of course a Cera should be able to win in a defensive situation.

[gentle spire]

16 raptors hahahahaha

how crazy this sounds?

[chilly ermine]

This is true, and I think that's where a disconnect can happen. Evrima is designed around 'survival', not combat. Combat happens but it's not the point of the game design imo.

[cosmic storm]

Indeed

It shows in the map design and the systems so much it’s hard not to notice it’s a hardcore survival horror game.

[chilly ermine]

totally agree, it is their biggest strength

[cosmic storm]

Painfully so, wish the map was smaller

But I already said that 5000 times

[chilly ermine]

yeah, I didn't used to feel that way, but I'm leaning in that direction now...

[gentle spire]

cera is broken

[tight iron]

very crazy

[wooden agate]

gateway feels small to me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[tight iron]

but it's equivalent to finding 4 ceras

[gentle spire]

nop

[chilly ermine]

Hopefully more changes will shift things toward the entire map being used

[gentle spire]

not equivalent so far

[cosmic storm]

How to tell me you’re joking without saying you’re joking.

[wooden agate]

those raptors would be able to pin 8 ceras at the same time and murder them without ever using lmb

[tight iron]

yes

[tight iron]

sammy is in fact joking

[wooden agate]

imagine a 16 v 8 between raptors and ceratos and your entire cerato gang just gets pinned

[tight iron]

absolute gaming

[chilly ermine]

In the event that they were really bad players yes. That's a lot of coordination

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-toxiqueney-quingifs-mannequinney-kamala-harris-gif-5079460954113765261

[gentle spire]

maybe your forgetting how difficult is to sincronize 16 people or even find 16 people who play well with the most difficult mecanics in the game wich is raptors

@tight iron

[wooden agate]

once again asking for pounce to pin to rely more heavily on stamina/health requirements

2 raptors pinning fg full stam cera is so cringe

[gentle spire]

and how easy is play cerato

litteraly have no mecanics, only bite

[chilly ermine]

I thought that lower stam was needed to pin since the update no?

[wooden agate]

nope

[tight iron]

im talking about power

[gentle spire]

inflics bleeding and bacteria

[wooden agate]

2 raptors can pin cera at any health and any stam

[gentle spire]

im talking about balancing the game sorry

[wooden agate]

because 2 raptors is barely over 65% of ceratos weight. no stam requirement needed

[chilly ermine]

eeeesh, I thought that was changed before release...

[tight iron]

i know im just giving an equivalent

[wooden agate]

this also means FG pachy gets pinned by two 30% omnis!

[tight iron]

4 ceras is like 16 raptors

[wooden agate]

i just love the pounce to pin system!!!

[tight iron]

if you wanna survive you need a lot

[gentle spire]

and this isnt the only bad thing about cera

he shouldnt inflicts bleeding

and also dilos shouldnt

have no mecanics

its like playing garen in league of legends

no space to out play an raptor, so they push a bunch of life and bite power to this dino, thats ok, but inflicts bleeding?

[tight iron]

uh everything does bleed

[gentle spire]

and its wrong

[tight iron]

no sir

[gentle spire]

yes

[tight iron]

how is it wrong

[gentle spire]

u have low health as an raptor also lower bleeding bar

[cosmic storm]

Lmao, Joey joined my server and started yelling at me on my server!

[gentle spire]

if you take 1 hit youre out of battle

because of bleeding

dilos already have poison and ceras have bacteria

raptors only have bleeding

[tight iron]

not really

[gentle spire]

this isnt make any sense

[tight iron]

raw damage as well now that pounce to pin is there

pounce to pin gave a very nice buff to raptors

[gentle spire]

nop

you pouce to pin

and is stuck in animation

another ceras come and kill you

just like that

[tight iron]

i mean yeah

[gentle spire]

easy like that

[tight iron]

youre right about that, but you dont pin two ceras yknow

you go after either one or you go after both

[gentle spire]

exaclty

[tight iron]

but cant focus on one and leave the other one without doing anything

then some carnos will come and obliterate the ceras

[gentle spire]

its a useless mecanics against more than 1 ceras

[tight iron]

yeah

unless you pin both it's p much useless

[gentle spire]

carnos are actual garbage

[tight iron]

and that's with everything not only ceras

[tight iron]

yes and no

yes because yes and no because if you're very skilled you can cause unholy amounts of damage

[gentle spire]

dilos to

[tight iron]

even troodons

[gentle spire]

1 bite and its gone, that ok have more tools

thats the point

why ceras and dilos have so much tools and so much health?

troodons have more tools because they are weak

[vital laurel]

well right now in a skill-less fight omni 2 omnis take down a cera without any stress

[gentle spire]

why thats not for the raptor to?

[tight iron]

raptors are very well equipped

[manic knoll]

ye i think this rotten food bacteria should last longer than cerato bacteria so ppl can’t just take a bite then wait 30 seconds

[gentle spire]

i disagree

only have pounce

[tight iron]

an attack that goes upwards, an attack that goes downwards, pounce to pin, normal pounce, etc

[tight iron]

no not really

[gentle spire]

and if you dont drain your stam to the ground u cant inflict a significant bleeding

while the cera bite you 1 time and 25% of your bleedin is gone

[chilly ermine]

yes, basically something to not punish people from eating something right when it goes rotten

[gentle spire]

the truth is raptor is much harder to play and isnt rewarding

[tight iron]

to be frickin honest

yes

[gentle spire]

but its fun

[tight iron]

also that

[cosmic storm]

So what’s the argument about? Raptor is a faster growth than the cera and carno and is fun to play

I think that’s fair to the game

[gentle spire]

its fun until its turn into frustation

fun its about opinion

balancing the game not

my opinion im liking playing as raptor for now

I don't know until when

i think a good balance be remove gatronomic regeneration from the game and remove bleeding from diablos, dilos,ceras

[west cape]

where are hotspots on the map, when me and my friend play we can't ever find anyone or AI really and we eventually die of starvation.

[desert arch]

South plains, highlands and sometimes swamp are fairly populated places

[steady plinth]

South plains seems to be most densely populated down by the first waterfall. It's mostly packs of raptors and no AI though. I just had another Carno starve there.

[whole orbit]

Yea omnis camp the spot and kos any juvi that spawns there

[limpid dock]

#general-feedback message

Why are people against this?

It seems like such a no brainer

I mean other than "nuh uh, we can't do it because we're cool and contrarian"

[gusty patrol]

for me its cuz it can be easily exploited; giving free food to yourself, respawning to help mix packer friends kill said dinosaur, etectec. especially because evrima allows you to choose where to spawn. second is its not hard to hop onto another server to play a different dinosaur. the isle doesnt have quests to grow from, so its only time and waiting. thirdly it feels way less of a survival. whats the point of survival if you "cant die". losing a bit of growth and thatsit, all youd have to do is wait a bit. its even less fair if you dont even have to die; what if a hunt was ongoing, you manage to escape and while a pack of omnis track ur footsteps you logout, grab a different dinosaur and kill em all. i see it as unfair in all aspects. POT at least cant choose where you want to spawn, which makes it more fair.

[chilly ermine]

Good question. Just a couple guesses:

*It might make people feel like it's more of a deathmatch than a survival game.
*Allowing players to swich full grown playables quickly could create some heavy imbalances in populations (some friends all switch to x dinosaur and now there is a mega pack in an area out of nowhere).
*Maybe the code doesn't allow for it in it's current state.
*Even with a debuff, people could relog, wait, and seek revenge like crow said above
*I wouldn't be surprised if the design is meant to be punishing. Frankly many design choices in the isle appear to be specifically curated to fit the tastes of the devs unless the greater community complains about it.

I wouldn't mind it, especially with such large server ques. I can say that it would help with staying in a server that has better better ping.

[limpid dock]

I didn't say lose a bit of growth, and maybe when your dinosaur dies you lose it in your character menu like BOB. And the other issues could be pretty easily fixed by making a cool down for spawning a dinosaur after leaving. Along with preventing spawning in a new dinosaur near a preexisting one

Also people already see TI as a death match, fighting willy nilly

[chilly ermine]

I think a work around to this being abused would be a huuuuuge spawn timer for the area you were killed in. So if you were killed in SP, you couldn't spawn with one of your dinos in that area or the surrounding area for like 20 minutes

[chilly ermine]

I think this would actually help disperse players on the map too. If you died and couldn't come back to the area you died in for 20 minutes or so, you would log in on a different side of the map. It would force people to have playable all over the map

[limpid dock]

That's pretty much how it works in POT, I think the timer is 10-15 minutes after you die

[limpid dock]

This

[gusty patrol]

i was going off of path of titans mechanic, but yea youd need a huge cooldown for that, but thatd ruin the experience for players who genuinly want to enjoy the game. already now when dying people complain a lot for a 10 minute timer. personally i like the idea of having 1 dinosaur, survive or die, so i dont see a need for such mechanic to be implemented

[limpid dock]

This works fine if you have multiple servers to go to, ie official, but you're lying if you say you haven't gotten bored playing the same animal waiting to die

[gusty patrol]

thats true, id still stick to a single slot though, as that is also possible with a single slot, rather than having multiple slot dinosaurs. its just not enough of a reason for me to see why it would be needed while it could be achieved with a single slot mechanic.

[chilly ermine]

I can think of 2 primary reasons why it might be beneficial (might):

Map dispersal & variety of playables. People would have different dinos in the hopper for when they died, instead of people playing X dinosaur everytime

[limpid dock]

People are way more likely to try new animals as well if they don't have to kill their 5 mutation deino just to do it on the same server

[chilly ermine]

very true

[limpid dock]

Like yeah this isn't needed for official, since those servers all act the same. But on small community servers it lets them thrive

[formal kayak]

I wouldn’t mind it as an option for unofficials where there’s rules, but for officials it’d be pain because someone would find a way to get revenge with their full mutation rex

[limpid dock]

Yeah I don't think it fits for officials. But it also wouldn't be the first time officials didn't have features given to community servers. Cough cough rex

[gusty patrol]

for unoficialls i wouldnt mind either, rather keep the officials single slotted though.

[formal kayak]

Actually there’s still a chance apexes may go to officials

[chilly ermine]

not if that rex was on the other side of the island

[formal kayak]

I’ve seen people go to great lengths when angry.

[limpid dock]

Yeah, same thing with spawning an animal in the same area as a recently existing one. You can't for 5-10 minutes so people can't use a troodon or galli to spot food for their carni

It's technically already in the game since we can't spawn new animals in near one just died

[chilly ermine]

true, but if it took them 30 minutes to run back to them...
I'm just saying that there are mechanisms that could be put into place to make it work, but I don't think a multislot server is in the big picture, and I think that is because the isle is half game, half art. And art is based on the artists own opinions, not others.

I think having multiple slots would lesson the pain of losing a dino, and the game is a pain simulator. I for one would really like this because I could stay on a server with good ping and not have to shlog through a que to play x dino.

[limpid dock]

Ping is another good reason in favor

I really wanna hear mr beards opinion since he said no too

[obsidian jetty]

for me this sentence kinda is the key to why I don't like it. That 5 mutation deino will die anyway. Unlike PoT and BoB this game's dinosaurs will have an expiration date (in BoB it kinda is the same because they become unsustainable at a certain point). If you give people more than one slot, I fear it might turn into more of a Pokémon type of game where people grow something to adult and then stash it away, to only use it to nest in their friends with cool mutations and then log it off again to preserve it.

[limpid dock]

I mean they still have expiration dates, whenever the animal is out it is at risk. Not to mention incest debuffs (which I'm pretty sure already exists) would help against people just using their animals as breeding

Plus when you have that maxed out animal you have the same conundrum, play it for a couple hours, get bored, leave the server

Vs being able to play something else for a while

[cosmic storm]

#general-feedback message I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest they are working on Allo rn, when was this announced?

[tight iron]

they said they did work on it

and they teased it

[cosmic storm]

Teased where?

[tight iron]

so we know that allo has a substantial amount of work already on it

[tight iron]

a dibble and pounce to pin update video

in the end, there was a shadow which was confirmed by dondi to be an allo

[cosmic storm]

Those didn’t look like allo claws

At all

[tight iron]

im aware

im not mentioning the trailer btw

[cosmic storm]

They looked like rex

[cosmic storm]

Oh

[tight iron]

im mentioning a video released over a month ago

[cosmic storm]

I though you were talking about the Familiar Faces vid since Idk what else it was

[tight iron]

ooh makes sense makes sense

[cosmic storm]

are you talking about Usgx-various numbers (b)

[limpid dock]

It works in POT and BOB, I don't see why it wouldn't work in TI with the proper debuffs

[tight iron]

im not familiar with the title

[cosmic storm]

Looked like an allo snout at the end so I think that’s what you were talking about if it was the camera being destroyed with the glitchy screen

[tight iron]

yup

[cosmic storm]

Cool

So they are working on both the Allo and the Rex then

Damn, 2 of the big bois

[obsidian jetty]

what I meant was that the "storing a 5 mutation deino" could be used as a way to keep it for longer by not having it die of old age, which it would if you actually played it.

Also the 2 minute damage reduction when logging in could really mess you up, if you happen to spawn next to something.

[tight iron]

probably even more things

[limpid dock]

There is no death of old age in TI afaik

[obsidian jetty]

not yet

[limpid dock]

Like the elder system? That's a choice you can make at a certain point to get older and stronger but slowly die vs continue as normal, just like the gauntlet in bob

But that can also be easily countered by not letting players store their elder dinos, or any playtime in them continuing the counter

[limpid dock]

This is my understanding of it anyways

[obsidian jetty]

as far as I know death is a choice, growing old isn't.

[cosmic storm]

Death isn’t a choice, it’s a matter of how long before it arrives by the hand of others or starvation or the next cliff hidden behind a handful of bushes you didn’t notice

lol

[obsidian jetty]

I was talking about the old age death specifically 😄

[limpid dock]

Also how is the roster system different than just joining a different server when your animal is about to die, and rejoining that server to hatch young? Is that not how it would work as it is currently? The roster system would be a QOL for smaller servers that don't have the means to operate and moderate several different servers

Like this change should only really apply to community servers, and it's the main reason for me suggesting it

The best games are the ones that give the community the most freedom with it, so having a roster system built in for communities to disable/enable would increase server operator freedom heavily, choosing what style of server they'd like

[obsidian jetty]

To be fair, I don't mind community servers having multiple slots (many kinda do already as you said), but I am not sure that needs to be implemented by the devs themselves, as they don't seem to want it for their game (namely the official servers). I'm sure as soon as this game gets a devkit and mods that's one of the first things someone's gonna do.

[limpid dock]

Yeah but it's a matter of which is coming first

[limber hull]

@brittle merlin #general-feedback message that would do absolutely nothing for performance and only serve to make the map less interesting

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Not what the feedback tab is for an also it's because official server support isn't available anymore

[tame wing]

the network code is terrible, so legacy is no longer supported #general-feedback message @shadow crane

[tender latch]

That corpse feedback from earlier might be the best suggestion I've ever seen

[limber hull]

It’s more than just the network code, but you’re right lol

[tame wing]

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[celest pawn]

@icy lion i wasnt trying to report a bug, my argument was that fixing this bug in particular should be top priority, before worrying about little tweaks or adding new stuff. ig i couldve specified though

[marble quail]

#phase-three-requests message Know that this is phase three but just saying that it was playable in legacy and it was pretty good and it has ben confirmed to be coming to Envrima

It was the first dino in the concept stage for Envrima

[limber hull]

@slender frost theri is confirmed coming to the game

[slender frost]

WWWW

[tame jetty]

Check out Pack server @icy zenith , in there only albinos kos,kill their own ^^ much more fun playing on than no rules

[stone stirrup]

Have they fixed the dinos saving yet_

?*

[tight iron]

wat

[whole orbit]

@tawny pendant it’s going to sound like that, it was revealed on a stream

[brittle merlin]

Indeed, there’s nothing to do with the performance. I sad that the map is huge for 100, and until we get a better server performance that allow more people, we should get a smaller option.
But I understand why this idea is unappealing.

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message carno's turn radius completely depends on how you play. It's not the main problem with the carno, imho, however I would like to see whan Don prepared for us as the rework, even if the current mobility is likely going to change. (Sorry for the quality, I'm lazy to change presets).

[hidden mist]

And I'm not even good at doing this drift, some people put muuch more effort in this.

[tight iron]

@unreal hull not a bug

[full pewter]

@maiden anvil Love this, imo sauropods could even have two alt attacks. One like yours that is good for small threats, and another that appears as a slamming stomp with their forelimbs, to flatten any larger predators.

[maiden anvil]

That's not a bad idea at all

[vital laurel]

Carno does not need better turn radius for the love of good, what will dilo ever do then lol

[lucid mauve]

It does, its fun having one after you now cus they are so bad. Run into bushes, if your in the open thats on you

[whole orbit]

That’s drifting tho. The turn radius itself is horrible and yah can’t chase small game with it

[full pewter]

However, it’s turn radius is so bad that it’s not even good at hunting small game, dilo is the only one it has a shot at, it can hardly hunt anything else

[vital laurel]

and who will play dilo if canro becomes even better at hunting them?

[tight iron]

most ppl

[full pewter]

Dilos shouldn’t be in open fields in the day anyway, even now that’s a death sentence if there are carnos around. All they have to do is stay close to the jungle, where they can easily outmaneuver them, carnos always struggled in jungles, now matter how good their turn radius was.
Also worth noting dilos are the second fastest carnivores after carno, another important factor

[vital laurel]

💀 carno sees exelent at night

[full pewter]

Nv changes could change this whole conversation, who knows

[vital laurel]

a majority of times ive gotten into a jungle with a carno after me it has caught up

the "best" way to survive carno is to enveomate it, but with dilos hitboxes and desync bites that a risky move too

[full pewter]

Dilos hitbox is fine at least in my experience, and desync bites dont sound like a dilo problem. We shouldn’t discuss balance when the problem is server issues

But for the record I do think carno shouldn’t have amazing nv, just adequate, whatever that means lol

[vital laurel]

Ignore major problems when balancing? And im talking about carno when it comes to desync bites

[full pewter]

I was saying that desync bites aren’t a good argument when discussing balance, that’s a server issue.

[tight iron]

uh

what were u playing