general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Considering herrera travel fall time, troodon is easier to use, and you can plan out a strategy and tactic before, and more importantly, hunt because the target isn't running away from you. Something you can do vs herrera because well, it needs tall tree to even attack you effectively.

[split saddle]

check vod from last night im posting it now

[cyan flame]

Yeah sure, but the point was that if we're talking about the power of a playable, then how well it can kill juvies isn't really that relevant, because most juvies die if you look at them the wrong way, more or less.

[wide robin]

True. But man wants to nerf one of the least played carnis in the game 🤣

[split saddle]

least played? bro youre delusional

[cyan flame]

If herreras do regularily drop carnos, then it might be an issue potentially

But do they do that, or was this an exception

[wide robin]

First ive heard of it

[wide robin]

Am i? What else is played less? Deff not carno. Def not cera. DEF not dilo. Def not.omni. not troodons so what

[split saddle]

i played herrera once and dropped a fg carno, 2 fg pachys, a couple of omni, and we took out a teno.

[wide robin]

Vids or it didnt happen

[split saddle]

troodons are massively underplayed compared to them

[wide robin]

HAAAAAAA

[split saddle]

its in my twitch vods somewhere. feel free to check them out but theres too many for me to pinpoint when it happened

[wide robin]

they had a 16 pack of trooeys last night at south plains

[split saddle]

and that is much rarer than seeing herrera groups

[wide robin]

U have vods and played bad enough to die to herras while drinking and say its cuz herra op and not cuz u miscalculated your water state?

[split saddle]

a large troodon group is going to be people in a vc most of the time, with maybe a couple randoms here and there

[cyan flame]

Well, pachies make sense, as does omni. Teno is a bit more impressive, as is carno. But if you did it with multiple drops, then well, I'd have to wonder how that teno and carno behaved.

[split saddle]

herreras are going to be grouping with randoms most of the time, with the exception of canis

[wide robin]

Facts

Herra is finally in a good spot stop trying to ruin it cuz u died to it. So annoying

[split saddle]

check my vod buddy i didnt die last night

but 5 pounces shouldnt of had my friend hearing heartbeat from full health

[wide robin]

We gonna nerf rex cuz ppl will die to it? Or carno? Shld we take away carno charge because it has a janky hitbox and 1 shots ppl?

No

[split saddle]

carno has been nerfed to the ground

have you played the game for a long time?

[wide robin]

Stop standing still and dying to sucking.

[split saddle]

its like talking to a brick wall here guys im out

[wide robin]

If you read general i had a whole convo last night stating on why we shld buff carno. Go eat a brick and lose that ego

[split saddle]

carno doesnt need a buff LOL. its stupidly strong if you know how to use it

[wide robin]

Ppl like you are why the dinos become so unbalanced. Your idiocy got you killed so u want something nerfed

[split saddle]

again refusing to look at the vod to see we survived.

[wide robin]

Im out u got voted down anyway

[cyan flame]

Carno could use some potential help, yes, and maybe a better charge (knockdown aspect) and some adjustements to bleed multipliers would be nice. But I don't think carno dies to herrera because it's weak or herrera is strong. It really does seem like the player just didn't react in time.

[split saddle]

do you need me to dm you the link?

[split saddle]

nah you knock down fg teno with head ram. just got to have aim

[wide robin]

Skill issue like i said and man refuses to admit he messed up. Dueces🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[cyan flame]

Yes, but you have to run for far too long for it, so you only really do that if the teno is kind of afk

[split saddle]

go back to rainbow seige my friend XD

[cyan flame]

Unless they did ramp up the run time for the knockdown to activate on hordetest?

[split saddle]

not at all. tap rams are where the gameplay is

[cyan flame]

Taps do not do knockdown, unless they changed it

[split saddle]

nah we wrecked tenos last night that way. a 3 pack

[cyan flame]

Unless you're pulling a certain trick which, well, I believe would fall under a bug or exploiting, last I heard

Right, three carnos vs a teno?

[split saddle]

its not an exploit to tap M2

its actively designed that way

or you use a massive amount of stam

[cyan flame]

It is if you're pulling a tap ram knockdown unless that was changed

[split saddle]

a ram doesnt get charged like a cera bite or a pachy bonk. you want to use as little stam as possible when you go to ram

[cyan flame]

But last I checked, you had to run for 5+ seconds for the knockdown to work, unless it was changed

Right, so maybe it's been changed on hordetest again then

[split saddle]

nah you can ram from a standstill now, you dont need the 2-3 steps to get to ram anymore

that was in spiro

[cyan flame]

No, you're confusing the charge with the knockdown effect

[split saddle]

they get knocked down based on where you hit them

[cyan flame]

On live, at least a while back, possibly still, you can tap ram, but the knockdown is not applied unless you run for x seconds

[split saddle]

if you tail ram something it wont get knocked. if it is large you need to hit it in the head

its not about the time spent ramming, but where the ram lands on the victim

[cyan flame]

Then it's been changed

Because it was about the time spent running in the charge anim

[split saddle]

its always been that way

[cyan flame]

No, no it hasn't

Maybe it's always been that way on hordetesting, but then that would be a change from live

[split saddle]

i was a carno main on spiro, and have a crazy amount of hours. but ill agree to disagree here

[cyan flame]

It's not a matter of opinion, it was literally tested and part of the patch notes at that unless I'm entirely mistaken, but sure

But you could always knock things down no matter where you hit things on spiro, so that apparently changed too

[split saddle]

i think youre confusing the need to initially run to begin a ram

[cyan flame]

Not at all

[wooden agate]

herrera is fine where it is. if you're getting pounced multiple times, thats a you problem. herrera needs its high damage attacks due to it being an ambush hunter, with a high chance of death at any mistake

[dense meteor]

Carnos ram works instantly once at full sprint the locational damage is the same regardless so if you use ram and .5 sec later you ram someone you do the same amount of damage if you use ram and 5 sec later you ram someone, at least from what I can tell

Not all "knockdown" areas are 100% either you can ram someone in the head and I believe it's like a pachy breaking a bone it's a roll of the die if you get knocked down or not, probably more into it but I know for sure you don't always get knocked down

[split saddle]

depends on the size of the carno and the target. if a 1200kg carno rams a fg (1600kg) teno in the face it will not knock them down, it will do a small stun. If a fg carno (1800kg) rams a fg teno in the head it will flatten them down to the ground.

@radiant comet ive been told that migration zones have been bugged (from a QA member) and move faster than they are supposed to. super frustrating to walk halfway to the zone as a stego just to have to turn around

[glass canyon]

@next jewel Same happen to me an hour ago. Me as Dilo fight slow and calmly a young Carno. I always stay 10 meters away when he’s trying to ram me. …. What happened ? Carno hit and kill me oneshot from 10 meters without touching me.

[severe spade]

How do I report a cheater

On hordetest

<@&505047238674874368>

Na server

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na

[next jewel]

It’s so consistent it’s basically a feature at this point:\

People can say it’s not a PvP game all they want, and they’d be right in saying that. But PvP is a core mechanic. How else are carnivores supposed to feed themselves, and how are herbivores supposed to defend themselves?
Sure there’s running away for herbivores but you can’t exactly run away from starvation as a carnivore.

It’s such a blatant issue that it’s hard to ignore, even in the future when we have other things to do. Excessive latency will still be this game’s singe biggest drawback. Because in a “hardcore” game there’s gonna be violence

[cyan flame]

The same damage, yes. But do you knockdown someone? Because from what I know, the knockdown adds damage, or well, something like that. Meaning that if you only do the tap ram with no knockdown, you do less damage than if you ran long enough to get the knockdown. Unless you now can get knockdown immediately (and assuming that is changed, not a "trick" somehow). Pachy bonebreak is not RNG btw, there's no roll of the die, and I don't think it ever was for knockdown either. However, cera and teno have stability in some circumstances, which could affect if you get a knockdown or not.

[winter void]

the ram is pretty much a nobrainer still :/
couriosity is that it stops charge bites even with no knockdown.. if its not able to throw me off .. why i am not able to end my bite that gets just undone midbite XD
thats pretty frustrating sometimes tbh 😄
5m(or whatever that shorty is) sprint ram canceling a bite feels like a no brain skill (if allowed to say so) at least it should make a trade of the bite/kick/tailslam/whatever action to the charge. i know opinions are always subjective but thats mine at least 😄

[winter void]

should be a bit more ( not that much) as far as i experienced but.. well the knockdown adds at least a followup altbite for free(which is fine as punnishment for getting charged) but canceling all stuff from a dino long sprint is ... not cool to say it like that 😄

[frail prawn]

This, all this, I'm tired of people screeching for unnecessary nerfs just to ruin a class completely.

[rocky raptor]

https://youtu.be/YYvqFjNe7Vw?si=DtIaDoWqlYP0jgNw

[limber hull]

why did you post a 50 minute youtube video about crocs

[urban flax]

Buff deino ?

[limber hull]

deino isn't even a croc its a gator lmao

[latent olive]

lil gator boy

[lapis swallow]

You do realise that realism doesnt matter when it comes to balancing a game that doesnt aim to be accurate?

[rocky raptor]

I just posted a video sit down dude lol

[lapis swallow]

For what purpose?

[rocky raptor]

Why not? Education forbidden? Watch it you might be surprised, or don’t? Don’t be toxic though it’s supposed to be a community

I didn’t know gators climbed trees did you?

Only species of crocodilians that do

[lapis swallow]

You posted in a channel where game design and balance is discussed, so I assumed that you posted it because of that purpose

[lapis swallow]

I did

[rocky raptor]

What’s the difference between croc and gator?

[rocky raptor]

Well maybe an idea will inspire, still don’t rag because I posted a video tf dude what’s your problem

[urban flax]

The main difference is in how they see you
A crocodile sees you in a while
An alligator sees you later

[latent olive]

wrong

a huge chunk of crocodilians climb trees

i know because ive seen it myself

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

my man's just kinda spitting random numbers

also the fact that he accounted for two animals we know nothing about, but not the animals we already had (like stego) is exceptionally funny

[hasty fractal]

It would be nonsense to have a bite force below 1000, otherwise there would be no power to kill herbivores.

[barren crater]

1200n on a no stam cost ability

Better have a very long cooldown then

[limber hull]

^

[barren crater]

there's nothing fair about that anyways

[limber hull]

stego's attack locks you in place, takes 5% of your stam and has a very long animation. Rex bite does none of these things, and apparently does as much damage

[hasty fractal]

Alt attack will be added to stego and also its hit speed will be faster than rex

[limber hull]

based on literally what evidence lol

stego literally has to charge up its attack with its rework lol

also rex's alt-attack should not do more damage than its bite

[hasty fractal]

I don't think it will hit any faster.

[limber hull]

its a stunning headswing, no way it does more damage than the actual bite

[hasty fractal]

It should not become a game where herbivores have the upper hand by traveling alone.

[barren crater]

It's a stun and knockdown ability if we're being real. It should be a setup tool for the pin so I wouldn't make it anything over 800n

[barren crater]

What? They should

[limber hull]

It should not become a game where carnivores have the upper hand by traveling alone.

[barren crater]

What herbis are we talking about here?

Armoured, slow ones? or fast ones?

[limber hull]

I'd put it at 500 tbh, given that it's a headswing from an animal not built for headswings like pachy is

[rocky raptor]

What all would a rex be able to bite and carry on ervima do we think?

[limber hull]

But it being able to stun a giga def makes up for any damage lost

[hasty fractal]

rex is a solitary predator

[barren crater]

Teno maybe

[limber hull]

Stego is a solitary herbivore, what's your point

[barren crater]

not to kill it in one bite but I could see it killing it and carrying it

[limber hull]

(herd stego doesn't work, it's been proven that this animal is the worst at grouping in the entire game)

[hasty fractal]

İt's possible

[barren crater]

rex can pack

[limber hull]

^

[hasty fractal]

But bite force should be better

[barren crater]

idk why we're acting like rex players will only be solo

[limber hull]

im not saying it shouldn't have a good biteforce, but it also doesn't need to be doing more than 1000 damage per bite

because its a stamless, moving free attack

[hasty fractal]

Maybe 1000 and 1200

[limber hull]

and ideally, the devs want players to utilise crush more than bite

[limber hull]

1000 for bite
500 for alt-bite (with stuns/knockdowns because it's a headswing)

Special ability does DoT as long as it holds onto the prey

[hasty fractal]

But alt attack should be 1200

[limber hull]

No, because its alt attack isn't a bite, it's a stun

[hasty fractal]

Not the same with normal attack

[limber hull]

So there's no reason it should do more with its alt if it physically is not biting

[barren crater]

and probably a knockdown for the vast majority of the roster lol

[limber hull]

The bite should obviously do the most damage when we're talking about T Rex

[barren crater]

like I could see a rex knocking over an allo and then pinning it

[hasty fractal]

If the alt attack is a huge bite hit, I think it should be what I say.

[limber hull]

It isn't a bite

[barren crater]

I mean the pin / grab should be the main damage dealer imo. Bite should be secondary

[limber hull]

^

Crush will likely just be a slow and painful death. You get grabbed, and as long as rex holds on, you die slowly

Which means, just like legacy, rex's worst matchup is against literally anything in a group

Because it can only grab one thing at a time

[hasty fractal]

What do you think about prki weight and speed?

[limber hull]

It's too fast imho (or stego is too slow, probably both)

[hasty fractal]

But stego has short legs so i think it's possible

[urban flax]

I have been summoned

[limber hull]

i just want stego to survive, idc how short its legs are

honestly, it's hard to see but... are rex's legs that much longer?

[hasty fractal]

In 1v1, stego's probability of survival should be lower than that of a good rex player.

[limber hull]

which is why stego should then be able to escape it

[hasty fractal]

but their back legs are almost the same

[hasty fractal]

I think stego will get a alt attack of almost 1500, so if he hits Rex in the head, I think it will win it easily.

[limber hull]

ONE of these things need to happen

A: Stego can outpace rex, be it through raw speed, superior stam/trot, etc.
B: Stego can outfight rex, be it through buffs to weight/health, buffs to damage or so on
C: Stego has a unique mechanic that acts as a way to escape a rex without needing to be faster/stronger (disabling the rex, for instance, so that it can escape while the rex is incapacitated)

[limber hull]

Unlikely, given that you've given rex around the same damage, but with more health, speed and so on

[urban flax]

Give stego fracture

[limber hull]

Well, not fracture but being able to shred a muscle for instance

[urban flax]

vomit sickness

[limber hull]

Not as hard to heal as a fracture, less brutal than a fracture, etc

[hasty fractal]

The hitting power of the bites can be reduced, but I think it can continue hitting quickly after a heavy attack

[barren crater]

personally think that stego, trike, anky & shant should have a good advantage over rex

Personally think that rex should be mainly going after stuff like para, maia, allo & theri than any of the larger animals

and obviously younger stegos and trikes

[limber hull]

basically my thoughts too, except stego IS technically smaller than para lol (something i think should be changed)

[hasty fractal]

I don't think there will be many winners in these wars because both sides will be seriously injured, so I think the other side should be superior in the slightest mistake.

[limber hull]

i think defender's advantage should always be in play

[hasty fractal]

I don't think this should have much of an advantage in Rexe 1v1.

[limber hull]

If it doesn't, it's literally unplayable

[hasty fractal]

Herbivores need a herd against Rex

[hasty fractal]

This is not like Carno vs tenonto matchup because Rex is a king of the predators.

[limber hull]

that reasoning makes no sense

game balance isn't decided by arbitrary titles

[barren crater]

[hasty fractal]

If Rex comes under 1000 hit power, Shant and Cama will be unkillable, if Rex is 800, Giga will be 600, I don't want to think about that.

[limber hull]

shant and cama are not for rex, they're for giga

[barren crater]

I could see a rex duo taking on a shant but Cama should generally be untouchable to them

[limber hull]

gigas are the ones who hunt those massive herbis, not rex

[hasty fractal]

İf 600 bite damage this is not possible

[barren crater]

special ability

[limber hull]

who said 600?

[hasty fractal]

I said according to Rex bites

[barren crater]

Pounce gives omni's the ability to hunt stegos even though their bite is 65n

[limber hull]

^

[hasty fractal]

They use bleeding.Giga can use his bleed ability but Rex only crushes with powerful bites.

So Rex needs a good bite force

[barren crater]

Rex has a pin and grab. Idk why you're ignoring that

[urban flax]

yes
YES

YES

[lapis swallow]

Eat grass and die

[hasty fractal]

Rex must be too strong, not enough

[barren crater]

...

I can't tell if that's a joke

[limber hull]

most likely not

knowing him

[urban flax]

Actually it's not even eat grass at this point, stego is just gonna be collateral damage
It's just gonna be "see rex and die"

[hasty fractal]

Considering that this will be the strongest jaw in the game, Rex's basic bite force should be extremely good because the wider the range we keep, the more we can add other predators like giga more fairly.

[urban flax]

Everything should be fair, including rex
Having good biteforce doesn't mean it's excluded from being balanced

[limber hull]

It's so weird how people can't imagine rex and balanced not being mutually exclusive

[uncut zephyr]

But it’s like the biggest dinosaur (do NOT say otherwise) and like it’s the main character of Jurassic park (the humans are side points) so it should be like the biggest and besterest

[urban flax]

Gigaspinus is bigger

[uncut zephyr]

I think that rex should take no damage from any herbivores because they’ll be too scared to fight it

[urban flax]

What if, when rex roars, every dinosaur that can hear it is paralyzed for 30 seconds out of terror ?

[uncut zephyr]

What if we also made it so the roar also makes you deal a bunch more damage

Just so it gets to kill sauropods

[urban flax]

makes sense

this way sauropods will have something to fear

[narrow nova]

1200 dmg still too low,that is why I disagree

If it only have 1200 bite force,it can't be rex.

But consider about it's a video game I think we will accept 1200.

[limber hull]

1200 is too high

if rex's bite is 1200, stego's swing should be near 2000

[narrow nova]

Why stego have better attack ability than rex？

Stego have better group numbers

[limber hull]

group numbers mean nothing in terms of viability

[narrow nova]

Stego have better stm than rex

[limber hull]

based on literally what evidence lol

we don't have rex yet

and stego has one of the least stam efficient attacks in the game

[desert arch]

Stego has by far the worst stamina economy in the game ngl

Beaten only by land deino

[limber hull]

90 seconds runtime, not anything impressive

[narrow nova]

I think developers are going to make Tyrannosaurus a fast but low stm predator.
Cause if you revpew their live you will find Rex have 38.24km/h

So Rex can't have good stm

Maybe 40s run？

[limber hull]

Which is far too fast, and means stego def needs either a speed buff/stam buff/both before rex releases

[narrow nova]

Maybe rex's suppress ability won't consume many stm of their prey,but uses up a lot of its own stm

So they can't continue chase

[narrow nova]

I also think it's too fast, but you know, developer seems don't like to change things they've already decided,at least before Rex release they won't.

[limber hull]

they do that a lot

[narrow nova]

Maybe

I just think it makes sense if rex has a good speed but not a lot of stamina.

Otherwise they'll never catch prey,only can be a scavenger

[limber hull]

I mean, most of the current roster should be significantly faster than it and able to escape it

[narrow nova]

Yeah, and I'm hoping that some animals that aren't as fast as rex will be able to get away from rex by spotting him early

But if they're not alert enough, rex need chance to kill them

[limber hull]

i mean, if they aren't paying attention. they'll likely die regardless

[molten lily]

@tawny comet Thats ingame, if you go into chat with "Enter" while having the menu up, you can hover over the little bar along the bottem and it will show your approximate age

[tawny comet]

It only says Error

[molten lily]

Thats odd? im not sure whats wrong

[north quiver]

@radiant nest great suggestion. only issue I can see with it is smaller playables like troodon where compies (or other small things) are important to their diet

[boreal briar]

Was just about to say the same

[radiant nest]

Yeah I thought about that as well, but I realized that carnivores should primarily be hunting rather than scavenging

So troodon, which is suited quite well to punching up, would hunt larger things still

[north quiver]

instead of it just being dependent on corpse size, I think it being dependent on corpse size compared to playable size is better (a ratio ig?)

and I’m all for smaller carnivores scavenging. larger carnivores like allo shouldn’t be scavenging as easily (unless there are a lot of large corpses I suppose lol)

[radiant nest]

That could be a good idea, though I think a better idea would be some sort of modifier, so that things like ceras (which are intended to have an amazing sense of smell and to scavenge constantly) would have a uniquely good sense of smell for their size. I’m not too fussed on the specifics of how it works though, my suggestion is primarily just to get the concept out there

[barren zephyr]

Maybe a mutation that lets you identify the corpse type just by scent?

[formal kayak]

It would at least be nice to be able to smell if a corpse is your own species, it’s so annoying to go to a corpse you smelled and it turns out you can’t eat it because it’s your own species

[lyric pollen]

wydm

[barren zephyr]

Idk how to word that any more clearly

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[formal kayak]

They probably mean what species the corpse is

[finite lagoon]

I dunno why you can't scent living species. Okay maybe scenting other dinos is OP, sure. Unrealistic, but sure. But like boar? Goats? I was looking for a chicken somewhere in the tall grass in a relatively small area FOR 2 HOURS. Never found it. It had to have passed 5 feet from me at some point. Annoying and dumb.

[midnight heath]

People actually downvoting a bug because they haven't learned where to drink safe water. #general-feedback message

I've genuinely only been grabbed by a single deino this past year.

[tight iron]

indeed

[midnight heath]

I don't love deino either but it's so clearly a bug

[wooden agate]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1234633220134539345 simply add a ragdoll effect for when you start falling so your dinosaur can tumble down the sides of mountains in a more comedic way

@rough wind

[rough wind]

thats what i was thinking as well

not sure how well ragdoll would work in this game though

[wooden agate]

cause tbf, that hill was incredibly steep but the sliding just looks odd

[rough wind]

wasnt even that steep especially not for something like teno with hooves

[wary flower]

#general-feedback message lmao

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
It is concerning how many people disagree with this

just looked closer at teno
apparently it doesnt have hooves

[wooden agate]

why would it

[rough wind]

which is weird because i remember it having hooves

[wooden agate]

it is not horse

[rough wind]

other things can have hooves

[wooden agate]

it is not horse

https://tenor.com/view/la-merveille-des-merveilles-running-horses-gallop-beautiful-horse-gif-17031952

horse ^

[rough wind]

Hooves

[wooden agate]

teno 😄

he hav paw

[rough wind]

ok back on topic

realistically you would roll and survive with a couple bruises

maybe a leg break if you landed badly

but definitely not fatal

[wooden agate]

that teno in your video would absolutely have a broken back if it fell that far

[rough wind]

it slid it never fell

[wooden agate]

rolled and tumbled that far*

[rough wind]

which would not be fatal

[wooden agate]

you have a 1 ton animal tumbling down the side of a hill

something is getting broken (not to mention you got some air time at the end)

tony hawk would be proud

[rough wind]

that air at the end is definitely just a bug

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/jennseul-tiffany-pollard-gif-18494945

[rough wind]

im not saying that i should have surived with no injurys but that should not be fatal

[solid belfry]

The hubris of someone who thinks the slingshot fall physics is okay based on it being a 1 ton animal loooooool

[wooden agate]

cry

[limber hull]

i dont understand what needs to be fixed about literally WALKING off a cliff and then dying from walking off a cliff

don't walk off cliffs? what needs to be fixed

[rough wind]

not even close to a cliff

[winter void]

well lookin at the fact a 1.6 tons animal falls a height like that.. you would die may a few day later after suffering from consecuences 😄
in that case sure feel free to survive and suffer around wiht a broken spine and serveral other fractures leading you to a living decay there 😄
i remember gateway from stresstest.. and that was waaaay worse now on we got a good spot tho.
Big animals in modern time also kinda die or be left to die by falling some inches that weight sometimes.. beside factures taht wont really heal.. you cant imagine how many animals suffer and die a painful sad death because of a broken limb.. or even an infect .. just sayin 😄

[rough wind]

i died purely because the game decided i should bounce into the air for no reason

[winter void]

you slid off a mountain. that lead to fall dmg apply. you died.
i get ya point of that slide to death.
but still somewhat okay to me. who would risk that after all ..

[rough wind]

fall damage was applied it broke my leg
then the game bounced me into the air again and killed me

im completely fine with the first damage but the bounce should not exist

[winter void]

i know its rough sometimes and everyone got a "why did i die" moment.
well its no a everytime i slid somewhere thing..but that bounce you got makes kinda sense since you still got momentum that travels ya further, and the road also got a bit lower ground. that bounce killing you .. meh argueble.. but te bounce itself kinda makes sense. if you push something down a really high ramp like +45° it will actually bounce a bit and carries the forward momentum. so physical speakin ther is some sense in it. If that would actually applie in this case with that body.. im not that far physician 😄

[sonic island]

Was that clip on hordetest? On hordetest they seem to have tweaked fall damage, I don't get injured nearly as often

[rough wind]

its on hordetest

[sonic island]

huh

[winter void]

also true. on horde broke stuff mostly to pachys 😄
really like how it is there :;D

[urban bear]

Yeah the fall damage part was fine but the bounce for no reason was just dumb

its concerning how many people think that should have happened to your teno lol

[latent olive]

dondi has already spoken about fixing the velocity from falling off of cliffs and ledges, I believe

[rough wind]

hopefully

[dry falcon]

Cliff? That's a hill

[limber hull]

its a cliff

[dry falcon]

nuh uh

[finite lagoon]

Easy solution. Just play Herrera. Problem solved.

Herrera is the Tony hawk of the Triassic

[formal kayak]

Cliff on a hill perhaps

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1234717767727583272
I don't think big invertebrates would fit this game as playables but I think it would be a cool idea to use big invertebrates as non playable ai. Would make the jungle feel a bit more primordial

[umbral spade]

The Rubberbanding is still there on every server for me, pvp is not an option at the moment because you get bite from 10 meters away.
How is it for you?

[outer gale]

Please do something about all the "Safe Spots" I am a Deino Main I have many many hours as Deino and I am sure other Deino players can agree. Safe drinking spots are the most annoying thing on earth. I agree there should be some safe drinking spots but not EVERYWHERE. Every river, Pond, Lake or any body of water always seems to have a safe spots and everyone who has a brain will use those spots. I have been to every water source in the game as a Deino and everytime I struggle for food because everyone is using these "Safe Spots". It is Dumb and it takes away from the roll play aspect. Dino's should be scared to drink water that the whole point but at this point in the game no one is scared to drink water unless they are in the middle of no where or don't know of the "Safe Spots".

Rant over sorry. Point is make less "Safe Spots" no need to get rid of all of them but there doesnt need to be a safe spots every 50 Metres.

[barren zephyr]

A spider large enough to kill troodons sounds insane

And obviously I'm talking like... caught in web type of killing, not venom lol

[rough wind]

Webbing just sounds incredibly annoying
And we already have an extremely large amount of dinos planned to be added

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn't mind cobwebs. Like just weak webs you can walk through to break. But nothing to catch you or anything, that would be stupid

But would be nice for ambiance

[rough wind]

Ambient cobwebs could be cool

Not really sold on the spider idea

But as decoration and environmental hazard they would be nice

[limber hull]

I feel like mono does the "trapper" archetype better

Far less annoying and invasive, while still encouraging mono to do it

[barren zephyr]

I think spiders would be okay as like... a particle affect just to add some movement to the environment, but idk as AI, especially not AI that can actually kill dinos LOL

Imagine dying to a fekin spider, I would be so upset LMAO

If ye really wanted something like... being able to get infected bites or something, I feel like snakes would be a better thing to use. But even then would still be really annoying

[faint folio]

It's a tough one. Cause on one hand, as you mentioned, safe drinking spots basically invalidate deino. On the other hand, deino is an instant trump card against the entire roster minus stego, with no counter bar just drinking somewhere they can't reach. Definitely leads to trouble for Deinos getting found, but the alternative is deino being 1/3 of the server because everyone is forced into a drink encounter every 30 minutes. Really deino needs better counterplay so that players can not drink at safe spots and not risk wasting hours of growing to a 1 tap

[outer gale]

You make a very good point! I think that is a better way to do it! maybe adding a new way for Dino's to escape the Deino grip? or how would you think of doing it?

[midnight heath]

@queen ember Unlike carnivores herbivores need to migrate to maintain their diets, if they don't get get some pretty big debuffs. Some migrations are very far from one another and grazing is how you prevent starving between those.

An herbivore eating only grass isn't going to be as much of an issue as a healthy one, so a camping teno whose only been eating grass is easy food.

[hidden mist]

True, also dehydration still exists

[midnight heath]

It's not some weird massive buff for herbivores like it seems.

[nova spear]

all i think of is stegos at north east plains hotspot standing there for hours to try to kill the croc in the pond

[midnight heath]

Stegs can't chase you down, and eating only grass they do like 50% less DMG.

It's still alot but you can just walk away from the steg

[queen ember]

True, but this also fix's the issue of not being able to fix diets for overeating too much, Herbivores should be highly encouraged to get their move on to Migration zones rather than sitting and eventually deciding to start moving and just graze for 30 minutes on the way.

At the very least it helps keep them in their zones rathert than moving out and grazing until they need diets again

You would be surprised how many people graze over eat normal food

[midnight heath]

I take it you're not an herbivore main, you can move right away as the migration leaves and run out of food.

They're not exactly close a lot of the time and sometimes they just break and you need to move right away once you get there.

[queen ember]

You CAN, but if I can just graze there is no sense of urgency to get there

[nova spear]

i was saying that because I was the croc in that situation lol. I wanted to log off for the day but they camped me for hours

[midnight heath]

Losing your diets is a big issue and does press a sense of urgency.

A good herbivore player isn't going to deal with 50% less DMG

I think if a way is going to be worked out to fix diets it doesn't need to ruin something that already plays a role.

[queen ember]

I agree. But malnutrition takes a fairly long time to set in

[midnight heath]

When you're traveling from migration to migration it really doesn't.

That'd be like saying that carnivores shouldn't gain any hunger % for meat that isn't on their diet. You could sustain off of anything and lose diets but why would you?

[queen ember]

Hard to tell when You can simply graze. meaning you will never deal with malnutrition

[midnight heath]

If you just eat grass you lose diets.

It just fills hunger to 23%

[queen ember]

No it really isn't. Carnivores don't have a infinite food source right at their finger tips to afk grow forever

[midnight heath]

Not really going to grow off of only grass.

[queen ember]

Not many people might but that doesn't mean they can't

[midnight heath]

Carnivores can literally just sit in hotspots currently and sustain off of AI and receive diets from it.

Herbivores have to move to maintain their diets.

[queen ember]

Ai is another issue entirely I agree that needs fixing

[midnight heath]

Agreed to be fixed or not, carnivores have a much easier time AFK growing than herbivores diet wise.

[queen ember]

Grazing is another that is literally just there to remind the player that starvation is not something you need to worry about

[midnight heath]

AI drops in front of players more often than not.

[queen ember]

Yes and that is a carnivore issue. The same thing is said about Herbivores. It is the exact same issue

[midnight heath]

It's not

One gets diet and one doesn't

One gets debuffs and the other doesn't

[queen ember]

Even though it don't provide nutrients the issue is still that you can live forever without the fear of starvation

That's not good

[midnight heath]

Again currently carnivores can also just live forever without the fear of starvation via AI.

The sheer amount of times as carno I've had deer spawn infront of me is absurd.

[queen ember]

Tell me. would the issue be solved if adult Carnivores gained no nutrients from ai?

[midnight heath]

Sure, I'd be fine with that. I don't like AI sustaining adult carnivores with the exception of really ptera anyhow.

But they currently can

[queen ember]

They don't gain nutrients but they can still just live forever without the fear of starving

The issue has never been that they can eat them. It's how easy and effortless it is to not starve because its literally dropped infront of you

The exact same thing applies to grazing

[midnight heath]

Right now though, with AI that's not how it works. Carnivores can and do gain nutrients via food that genuinely spawns ontop of them.

I don't really care to argue about something that isn't an issue, carnivores get free diet and don't have to move anywhere.

[queen ember]

Yes and this is bad. Removing nutrients from ai doesnt solve it either because the problem remains that they don't starve

[midnight heath]

I don't think there's an issue to begin with with grazing, it serves a purpose. If herbivores didn't need to move every hour to 2 to keep diets or food than sure.

[queen ember]

As a player I do not need to go out looking for food. If I had to travel around to constantly eat ai, sure thats fine. But I don't. I sit in one spot forever

[midnight heath]

A lot of carnivores do just sit in one spot

It's why East was such an issue and still is.

[scarlet heart]

Just have AI spawn more all over the map evenly where they make sense and have nearby players be a less contributing factor.

[midnight heath]

Carnivores don't need to do anything, you can just sit in one spot and that's completely fine.

[queen ember]

Yes. and removing nutrients from ai makes it no different from grazing as it still means the player does not starve. regardless of being a herbivore or carnivore. It is right at your fingertips and never runs out

[midnight heath]

We're not going to agree, I think we just need to agree to disagree.

I think grazing is fine and serves a purpose via migrations existing.

[queen ember]

👍

[wide robin]

im so damn sick of losing animals to stegos from 50 ft away these hitboxes need fixed or remove the dino period

[tight iron]

surface and log out

[nova spear]

Weeks ago

[tight iron]

stego is going to be moved to unofficials soonish

[tight iron]

rip

[wide robin]

good. fix it no reason i shld die from a tail swing while im in front of its head by 10 ft

sick of it

[tight iron]

dw man happens to all of us

i have died to such things so many times i can't even count it

and yeah your frustration is completely justified, i am also sick of that

in fact i hate engaging stegos for that reason and first do lag checks to see if he's laggy or not

[midnight heath]

The hitbox is pretty tight, things like d-sync will get you however. The same way omnis pounce at you from miles away or how tenos hit you with their tails from a distance; it's not the playable.

[tight iron]

it's also a hitbox issue sometimes

for example when tenos kick raptors off them (literally) it's not desync, it's a hitbox issue

[midnight heath]

I think that's more so just an issue with pounce right now

[tight iron]

no, it's a hitbox issue according to filipe

and that it needs to be looked at

[quiet wind]

not sure if this is intended but ceratos/dilos can climb tall rocks that only jumpers* are supposed to reach by turning their heads left and right over and over again.....

[midnight heath]

Huh, wouldn't have ever guessed.

[solemn pewter]

@limber hull Why do you downvote almost everything

[limber hull]

i dont

[solemn pewter]

Yeah you do

[limber hull]

i downvote stuff i disagree with. the only reason i downvoted yours is because that's literally not how genetics work (also programming it would be a functional nightmare)

there is no greater conspiracy lol

[solemn pewter]

Im not talking just mine

Its only you and the AI

[limber hull]

and?

[limber hull]

again, and?

[solemn pewter]

I have never seen you give something an upvote

[limber hull]

then you aren't looking lol

its not like i havent upvoted stuff before and after that post lol

[solemn pewter]

Give me an image of what you upvoted

[limber hull]

why

[solemn pewter]

And how long ago

You said you upvote stuff

[limber hull]

literally why does it matter? its virtual nothing reactions

[solemn pewter]

Im just curious

[limber hull]

if you care that much, you can literally look for yourself

[radiant nest]

I think my most recent feedback if you feel it so necessary to check

[solemn pewter]

You were the one telling me you upvoted stuff

I just want to see what you did upvote

[limber hull]

You're the one who pressed me about it, but sure

fascinating

[solemn pewter]

How long ago

[limber hull]

why tf does it matter dude

[radiant nest]

this has got to be the most hilarious interaction I’ve seen

[limber hull]

FINE

[solemn pewter]

🫥

Im just curious

[icy lion]

Can we not

[limber hull]

If it will get you off my back over the biggest nothing

[solemn pewter]

Yes sir

[limber hull]

Can this end now

[solemn pewter]

Yes

But you just upvoted that right now

But ill take it

[limber hull]

god damn there is no pleasing you, i upvoted it ages ago

i cant be bothered, this is absurd

[formal kayak]

Can be how genetics work if it’s the right type of gene, though the most applicable case is hair and eyes, a person with red hair and a person with blonde hair can have a child that’s a mix of both (such as I)

But yeah. That would be a programming nightmare.

I think it’s called incomplete dominant genes but I’m no biologist

[latent olive]

youre just a negative nancy bro.......

[winged mica]

stuck NA1 schmeatbawlzzz

[urban flax]

@tame remnant That's how a lot of games do it
And that won't happen unless the body you're trying to eat IS on a cliff, in a stuck spot or in deep water

[tame remnant]

My point is you could probably move the body yourself away from said cliff or stuck spot but if it moves your character automatically that could be a problem. I think increasing the range would be just perfect

[limber hull]

i personally think i'd rather the dino move to the corpse than eat from the air

[urban flax]

I'm not sure you understood what Filipe meant in the devblog
The interaction spot likely won't change
The interactable range will

[limber hull]

its very unlikely you'll ever have a situation where what you described would ever happen

[urban flax]

Yeah, that's what I was worried about when I read the beginning of the post, then I read "the dino will move automatically" and I was relieved
That's actually a feature I hoped would be added for a long time

[limber hull]

Agreed

[tame remnant]

That can be interpreted in multiple ways without clarification. It says where the server believes the corpse is, not where the range is. So I took that as the game moving your character automatically directly over the body

I see what you mean though

[urban flax]

I interpreted it as "we're gonna do it like every 3rd person game does"

[midnight heath]

#balance-feedback message

[latent olive]

<@&933486433342222376>

[lapis swallow]

@cunning tapir 9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[sterile shale]

How dare you not upvote people's absurd suggestions 😡

[limber hull]

its not even that, it's just the fact that someone cares enough to make a deal as if I'm some kinda villain for being not overly onboard with every piece of feedback

[sterile shale]

some people just can't take feedback... on their feedback

[lapis swallow]

bro was just mad that their feedback was downvoted

[cunning tapir]

Those are...well...very put together points. Though i dont hate mixpaking i only dislike it when it becomes an overall power trip affecting everyone on theserver.

It wasnt much of a polished thought but an idea....seems ill have to brood some more over things.
But i do thank you for the feedback, i appreciate it ❤️

[lapis swallow]

@urban flax someone liked your list

[urban flax]

The opposite would have been surprising

[cunning tapir]

Imay not be the best when it comes to feedbajc for a game, do please take with a cup of salt over what i say 😅

Even if dino stress WOULD be remotely an idea, the amount of prigramming nad loopholes..augh

[lapis swallow]

the loopholes would be horrible on a stress system

[sterile shale]

it'd be so complicated lol

[cunning tapir]

Ah well, yknow what they say, you break a few eggs. Cracked this one for omlet

[tight iron]

@hot crypt i dont recommend posting the back plates thing again

mods probably will get you for that

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message pretty sure dilo is so op that you need a way to survive

[brave trout]

I'd like to talk about Troodon

Is now side pouncing useless ?

[desert arch]

Rear is definetly more preferable, but the side is much easier to land.

[brave trout]

I learned the hard way pouncing a carno on the side is a death sentence

[desert arch]

If it times the alt bite right then yeah, pretty hard to hit tho

[brave trout]

It seemed pretty easy honestly

Because anyway everyone knows the Troodon isn't going to stay on for long

Glad they added back rear pouncing

I never realized but pouncers had it rough on Evrima

[tardy pawn]

@obsidian mural That is still a thing I think, on hordetest its F + RMB

[obsidian mural]

idk why they would change it cs i was on normal evirma

and ive asked like 10 herras and none new

knew

[icy lion]

F+LMB plays the f call now

[obsidian mural]

oh okay

[tight iron]

f + lmb?

huh

[obsidian mural]

i kinda wanted a change in the game but to a small scale

that females are smaller or larger than males

[icy lion]

For herrera's dewlap. It's F+RMB in hordetesting

[tight iron]

OH i thought you meant normal f call

[obsidian mural]

just by maybe like 50kg

[burnt bone]

you can always hold on for a bit so they instinctively alt and you jump off after

[obsidian mural]

how do u knock off a pouncer

[burnt bone]

you can buck til they run out of stam, jump in water, or scrape them off on a rock/tree

[obsidian mural]

how do u buck?

[burnt bone]

hold E

[obsidian mural]

ah k cs im more used to legacy

half the time im just sitting there while the sit on me

[burnt bone]

yeah thats how you die very quickly lol, evrima has a very steep learning curve

[obsidian mural]

i think i know most of it

is it only carnos that can pull with g?

[burnt bone]

all carnivores can, and omnivores can pick up small things and swallow them

[obsidian mural]

k ty

[burnt bone]

np

[obsidian mural]

i realy wish they remove the arrow that shows where you land when u hold f cs it dosnt allow me to get screenshots

[formal kayak]

@kindred flume not where you ask but no, i believe it’s unreal engine 5

#general-feedback message

[proud coral]

I agree that NV right now is too advantageous during the day and makes shadows meaningless, but I disagree with only allowing it to be activated at night. Aside from potential issues such as "what if I'm in a cave, or in a shadowy trench, or it's raining, etc." and likely bugs that'd come with determining when it comes on or not, I would much rather NV's appearance just be redone a bit to both not make certain colors EXPLODE even in day and respect shadows more.

Something like this doesn't tell me NV needs to be disabled in the day, it tells me that there's a pretty glaring (literally) problem with how NV looks

and it's a shame because in the past, it was essentially unnoticeable in the day and looked amazing at night

[barren crater]

yeah

It used to be pretty neat. Not sure as to why its so harsh? Anti gamma?

[proud coral]

🤷

[barren crater]

If it is anti gamma, it's a pretty pointless feature

Kind of sucks that anti gamma exists yet gamma is still really strong. At that point you may as well remove it. Makes the game look worse

Kind of wish we could play at night without NV as well. Mainly on a full moon

[strange quiver]

Fair, tbh. I kind of wish it worked to only light up excessively dark areas if used in broad daylight though and not act as a flashlight that reveals anything/everything trying to hide. My troodon skin perfectly matches the highlands vegetation but the instant someone turns nv on, it's like I become a glowstick.

Just in general I feel like nv in broad daylight 100% should not turn everything black/white. It respects colored lighting at night (human facilities, moonlight), so why not sunlight?

[strange quiver]

No joke I'd love a community server only option to just... Remove nv entirely and brighten nights up again like how they were pre-nv. Even if I had to deal with gamma exploiters I'd rather have pretty nights with blue tones over oops! all greyscale!

• something like that wouldn't affect Officials in any way. I just don't know how difficult it'd be to implement as it'd more or less be a shader swap.

It doesn't help too that sometimes the lighting is still incredibly wonky, like being able to see this stego in almost perfect clarity while everything around it is void-black.

Or the ground... Looking like this for whatever reason as if lights are bouncing all over the place + my skin sticking out like a sore thumb while everything else around me is dark.

[barren crater]

I like the idea of NV. I do not like anti gamma. Feel like it can exist in a better form. They should however prioritise visuals over gameplay.

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
ai dinos are aready planned and we saw them in earlier versions of evrima
when they will return is only speculation especially right now as ai is having performance trouble

[limber hull]

god i wish they'd not return lol

[rough wind]

maybe as a server option would be best but i personally think they were fun

[limber hull]

i can't believe anyone had fun with the homing missile carno with instant turn radius that could see you through bushes and had no maximum stamina

[rough wind]

i was thinking more the tenos

[strange quiver]

I hate the idea of AI dinosaurs unless they're very special cases i.e big sauropods for visual flair, non-playable dinosaurs, etc.

Playing teno and running toward calls only to find a stupid AI teno shoving its head into the wall was a terrible experience. Being chased and attacked as a carnivore by said AI tenos with infinite stam sucked.

[rough wind]

they did mention large dinos would be ai only on officials

that was a while ago though so im sure what the plan now is
i know they wont be enabled but im not sure about the ai idea

[barren zephyr]

Of course they had fun, it was OP and that's what power fantasy apex mains want

[limber hull]

The tenos were free food, nothing more, equally bad as the AI carno

[barren crater]

Teno ai fed so many of the carno packs I was in lol

Teno ai will never be able to deal with carno

It's straight up fodder

[limber hull]

^

I cannot IMAGINE rex being difficult with this walking lunchbox spawning in herds and then calling out to be as easy to find as possible

[barren zephyr]

Fr only juvie Ai should exist, like small AI to feed babies and small carnies. Otherwise if you wanna play carnivore you should play the part, not grow fat and lazy on glitchy AI

[limber hull]

I still think that the current modern animal AI is peak AI

[barren crater]

I hope deer ai gets a speed buff when insects, rats and other smaller ai is added

They should be fast

[limber hull]

• Easily immediately determined as AI both visually and audibly
• Good for small creatures and growing creatures, meaning that the food chain progresses naturally upwards, with AI being the cornerstone for the smalls that feed the mids that feed the larges that feed the apexes
• Have unique behaviours that can afford to be clunky/limited because they aren't attempting to mimic player behaviour/skill
• Can design specifically as AI and nothing else

[midnight heath]

I was fine with deer being fast, it was the weird break-neck turns that got me.

[barren zephyr]

Me chasing the deer as it breaks its neck to stare at me as I struggle to catch it, it’s laughing

[wintry river]

The problem isn't their speed imo, it is the erratic swerving and the fact they don't have inertia

[wintry river]

I don't think AI Dinos should be a thing. At least, not playables. There would be almost no way to tell if you're seeing a player or an AI, and now we know "If Dino, then it's a player"

And I overall like seeing modern animals on the game. (except the boar. Screw that pig)

[limber hull]

Personally, big fan of the boar

I like its malicious energy, very accurate to boars

I do personally much prefer the ability to determine AI and player (and also not have AI provide as much a reward for hunting as a player does)

[rough wind]

on officials apexs will be disabled so if they do become ai then there will be no issue distinguishing them
I think its a bad idea for apexs to be ai just because I dont think they would function very well especially on full servers with lots of lag

if they do ever perfect the ai mechanics then I would love to see them as ai but its gonna be a long time before we see that

[limber hull]

I don't like apex AI, but for different reasons

I think the prospect of adding an 8+ ton walking meatbag which players can learn to cheese to death will destroy the majesty of apexes

[rough wind]

thats what i mean by perfecting the ai mechanics
its just not feasible right now and players will always try to find a way to break it

[wintry river]

True. I just dislike them because they have an universal sight radius when they attack you on sight (especially harmful when I'm playing Troodon, like I posted on the feedback. Troodon's entire advantage is being so small it almost can't be seen. An AI pig seeing you from 50 meters away while you are crouched into grass is unfair)

Especially considering the other AI can't see you at all

[limber hull]

Problem with that

More complex you make your AI, worse server performance gets

[rough wind]

That too

They are working on optimizing ai right now though but maybe apexs could be a super rare occurence to compensate for performance

[undone pewter]

👆 Which is where dynamic AI density comes in handy 😏

[limber hull]

Or just not adding dino AI

[undone pewter]

Problem remains having any sort of AI at scale to dirty fix patchy player density around the map has a big performance toll

There's path finding involved and basic behviours

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
This deserves to be a copypasta

[limber hull]

is he playing on Spiro lol, because he specifically mentioned centre

"the game has an apex herbi but no apex carni"

the deino in question

[limber hull]

@primal vault idk what to tell you but the swamps of isla spiro are long gone

because isla spiro is long gone

also wdym "only two carnis in semi-aquatic niche"

• Austro
• Bary
• Sucho
• Deino
• Spino

[primal vault]

My fault I’m tweakin gateway

Sucho deino and spino are also muy large and realistically can’t catch most small things reliably

And a giant salamander would be fun

[limber hull]

I mean, yea, but deino kinda covers that basis already

[urban flax]

I'm not sure how a deino clone would "add more variety" to the aquatic roster

Even if it's smaller
Because then it's just a juvie deino that looks like an idiot

[mystic oar]

Is there some reason behind it that devs seem to enjoy bad weather and not beeing able to see sht so much?? Experiencing right now a almost 40 ingame hour storm with almost 50 ingame hour of darkness...... Like for real?? 😦

Edit: Strom just ended but now its dark again 🥲 🥲

logging off atm,.. sick of it

[candid fiber]

Maybe the first 3 don't count, because they are still too terrestrial?

[tight iron]

fixed in hordetesting

[umbral spade]

@boreal briar i think they changed it on Hordetest Servers you will find less there at the moment. Maybe devs try around to find a better solution 🙂

[boreal briar]

Oh yeah? That's good. I'm purposely staying away from East Plains in the hordetest.

[umbral spade]

yea i think its still a hotspot but some days not so maybe it changed a bit

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message, just remove goat and deer from there entirely. afterall there are turtles that provide lipids, and another fix is removing east spawn from half the carnivores spawn

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what

it can LITERALLY do like a 350 damage bite for zero stamina tf you mean it needs a higher biteforce

also "stronger than allo bite" is absurd lol

[barren zephyr]

its true tho

[limber hull]

okay but here's the thing

[barren zephyr]

realisticly speaking

[limber hull]

it can already do a bite stronger than allo

note how the charge bite grants an insanely high bite damage

you already got it

[barren zephyr]

which could "easily" be dodgeable if good at the game

[limber hull]

so?

[barren zephyr]

it would still not achieve its underdog playstyle

a carno mopst of the tiome wins against it

and its barely bigger

[limber hull]

it... doesn't though. And it's half a ton bigger

[barren zephyr]

visual size

nvm

[limber hull]

visual size doesn't really matter in game balance

[barren zephyr]

how tf would a low tier hunter fight and win against a predetor/scavanger designed for underdog combat

i am not talking doubling iots biteforce, just increassing it a small amount

[limber hull]

by catching them in a sub-ideal position, like in the middle of plains with no nearby treeline, water or corpse?

[limber hull]

it's perfectly fine as-is though

[barren zephyr]

and still two dilos clap it at daytime

or rather one teno

[limber hull]

that's more indicative of dilo than cera

also a solo cera can ABSOLUTELY beat down a solo teno

[barren zephyr]

well yeah sure

[barren zephyr]

can it run from it?

[limber hull]

sure

it's only a tad bit slower, and teno's attacks either stop it in place or require it to be in front of their opponent

[barren zephyr]

do you ever play for an example solo teno, you see a cerato. what do you think. do you think: oh, just a cerato. or: hell nah, gotta run

[limber hull]

if the cerato is minding its own business, idc as a teno

[barren zephyr]

its really just, there. and solo teno can def beat it

[limber hull]

a teno should not fear a solo cera lol

[barren zephyr]

?

[barren zephyr]

you going against yourself

[limber hull]

if its skilled, it can

i've lost my teno before to ceras who are quite skilled

[barren zephyr]

yeah 2 ceras demolishes one teno

[limber hull]

and one cera can do it too

[barren zephyr]

what do you think a cerato would do to an allo

since it was an underdog, realisticly speaking

[limber hull]

swim away or run away. Allo is literally double a cera's size

[barren zephyr]

and yet cerato competed with it, a lot

there was barely water in its climate

where it competed with allo

[limber hull]

and yet in the concept art we see

• Cerato swimming away to escape allo
• Allo easily pinning cerato to the ground

[limber hull]

This isn't realistic cera

We should all know this by now

[barren zephyr]

to show of allos capabileties

[tight iron]

ummmmmmm

two dilos killing a cera is a massive skill issue

[limber hull]

Yes, allo's capabilities to easily kill a cera

Hence why cera should flee

[barren zephyr]

what about, when near a, lets say another allo body

since its an scavanger

just wanting your thoughts on this

[limber hull]

No idea

It's a purely hypothetical situation

[barren zephyr]

yeah true

[limber hull]

Cera would have about as much effective HP as said allo

But likely less raw damage and bleed (and the inability to pin)

[barren zephyr]

i personaly think 2 caratos with another allo body, fighting an allo, would be maybe 50% chance

or 3 ceratos, idk

allo's main weapon is bleed, and cerato has high bleed resistance

[barren zephyr]

not really, dilo has about same agilety, hallucination, not hard to get on a cerato even in daytime. and they are 2 dilos. could just circle it, one baits, one bites.

[tight iron]

wot

sire dilo has awful agility

[barren zephyr]

oh holy damn, my suggestion is litteraly going in flames

[barren zephyr]

ABOUT SAME

[tight iron]

not even close

[latent olive]

saw the feedback post, immediately checked this channel, saw 3 people typing

[tight iron]

dilo has like twice as bad as cera 💀

dilo agility is one of the worst in the game

[barren zephyr]

damn, must be long since i played the isle

[tight iron]

ig

but a cera can just charge bite spam them away from him until he reaches a wall or smth

at least that's how i as a cera keep the dilos away from me

i just go full on pitbull on them till i reach a place where i can put my back against a wall

and after that just attack them over and over so they cant recover and form a plan

[barren zephyr]

12 downvotes

[tight iron]

yeah i dont think youre getting any upvote 💀

[barren zephyr]

well personaly, hen i play duo dilo and fight solo cera, it dies very fast

[tight iron]

wot

oh my gosh those ceras are the worst ive ever seen then

[barren zephyr]

must be

except for once, it went berserk

[tight iron]

LOL

in the rare occasion that im playing cera i have zero issues with dilos

[barren zephyr]

bro was searching for a solid 30 minutes

[tight iron]

at night i get a bit afraid but pretty much it

if i see one i just go full on pitbull mode and they get so scared they run to the opposite side of the map

that or confront me and die in 10 seconds

[barren zephyr]

dilos only real weaknes is its health

[tight iron]

and agility

it turns like a trailer

[barren zephyr]

well yeah, but its fast

[tight iron]

completely agreed it's fast as heck

[barren zephyr]

[limber hull]

Dilo has the worst agility of any creature its size. Cerato's agility far outshines it

[tight iron]

cerato agility is pretty close to raptor agility

that's why now in hordetesting since cerato doesnt slide when it charge bites, ceras are out of bounds for raptors

[barren zephyr]

makes sence for an animal almost the size as a sub cera, while only having packing a 700 kg body, and slim af

[tight iron]

it is practically a guaranteed death sentence

[limber hull]

I think deino, carno and MAYBE stego are the only creautes with worse agilities than dilo

[tight iron]

stego does have worse agility

so yeah it's only those 3

[barren zephyr]

stego agilety doesent matter when its taill does that much dmg

[limber hull]

eh

[tight iron]

i beg to differ

mfer is a skyscraper than cant even turn

raptors shred it to pieces

[limber hull]

i still stand by raw damage not being nearly all that matters in balance

and in the case of stego, it REALLY needs to turn fast, because its swings when aiming in front or behind it are PATHETICALLY slow

its side swings are slow, but not as slow

[tight iron]

stego needs a hell of a stam rework 😭

that's what it truly needs

[barren zephyr]

ofc you say that, arent you a pro raptor player or something

[limber hull]

pro raptor or not, it's facts

[tight iron]

well it is a fact

[barren zephyr]

i dont play raptor, and when i do, i get shreded by IT

[limber hull]

raptors obliterate stego

[tight iron]

i may be a pro raptor player, however raptor is still the best stego hunter there is

[limber hull]

you outright cannot buck as stego if you want to continue fighting, which is the antithesis of how you should be playing

[barren zephyr]

allo: (probably, i dont know)

[tight iron]

maybe it will, however it's not out yet

[tight iron]

i seriously feel bad for stegos rn

[barren zephyr]

you shouldnt

[tight iron]

instead of targeting them for their crimes against humanity i only kill the required ones

[tight iron]

i know i shouldnt, but i cant change that

i still hate em but it's in such a bad position rn

[barren zephyr]

13 downvotes

[tight iron]

just imagine having 4 raptors on you and you cant even buck em off

otherwise you waste stamina waste swings and upon reaching below 25% you're officially dead

[barren zephyr]

buck doesent even buck, it just drains stam

[tight iron]

raptors can cancel log off and sitting down soooo yeah

youre literally at the mercy of the raptors 😭

[barren zephyr]

hot take (raptor pro dont get offended): if raptor pounces any dino, and said dino bucks. after 3-5 seconds while bucking, if raptor is still on. it just falls right of, giving said dino a chance to kill it, but it shoudl aslo rather drain less stam from the raptor. right now, it just feels like a waste of stam, due to how much stam it drains from said dino

[tight iron]

i dont get offended by anything dw about it

[tight iron]

absolutely bro i completely agree with this

bucking is a joke right now

[barren zephyr]

litteraly

[tight iron]

it is a literal frickin joke rn

[barren zephyr]

(i stole someone elses suggestion from yesterday)

[tight iron]

okay wasting stamina is logical but not that much smh

[barren zephyr]

it feels like being robbed

litteraly

[tight iron]

and also keep in mind that raptor's pounce stam consumption is low as hell

which im glad for but also helps you abuse the heck out of stegos

a stego bucking a raptor off (completely) literally dies after that

hes got like what 20% stamina left?

it's an absolute joke

[barren zephyr]

and bucking drains more stam the more are on it, so it basicly dies trying to defend itself, which defeats the purpouse of it

[tight iron]

what i would do is make it so it consumes way less stamina (for the pounced not the pouncer), kicks the raptor/troodon out without stun (i feel it'd be super op if it stun you like it does rn) but raptor gets a bleed buff in return

[limber hull]

you absolutely should, because they are by far the most weak "OP" animal in the game

[tight iron]

keep in mind a stun rn is 5-6 seconds long for raptors

[barren zephyr]

hell naw

[tight iron]

which is pretty damn long

[limber hull]

hell ya

they have an insanely long list of weaknesses not shared by any other "combat" dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

like?

[tight iron]

if i were a stego and heard raptors 1 calling i would literally log off

there is no point in even trying

[barren zephyr]

it could just wall camp/camp the shore, because GAME

the game is unironicly stupid

[tight iron]

even then you're pretty much dead

if it's a wall you're good

[barren zephyr]

deino cant lunge that garbage

[tight iron]

but if it's a lake/river say goodbye you aint getting out of there

even with a wall you can kill the stego so

[desert arch]

The stego will still need food and water, so youll still die, itll just take a while

[barren zephyr]

if you are good at the game, unlike me

[tight iron]

oh yeah true you can also do that

starve the mfer out

[desert arch]

Meanwhile the omnis can take turns eating and drinking

[tight iron]

literally

[barren zephyr]

it could graze, and if by water. drink, afterall. it probably got some deino buddies

because thats how stego mains play

[tight iron]

a boar gives you 2 full hexes of 3 dot and like 70% food

[barren zephyr]

unironicly

[desert arch]

Then I bring in my stego buddies💀

[tight iron]

pounce when he grazes

[barren zephyr]

eating doesent have animation lock anymore

[tight iron]

the milisecond he gets out of there im already obliterating

[tight iron]

backpack

[barren zephyr]

what

[tight iron]

it has camera lock so he wont see you coming

backpack is when you pounce someone from behind

you are quite literally a backpack

[limber hull]

• Extremely vulnerable head hitbox (2x damage rather than 1.5x)
• Unlike deino, it has ZERO bleed resist
• No alt-attack. At all. Meaning once it's out of stam, it's screwed
• Incredibly stam reliant, each swing takes 5% stamina, much higher than pretty much any other attack besides the egregiously overpriced carno charge
• CANNOT REGEN STAM, WHICH IT NEEDS TO ATTACK, AT ALL WITHOUT SITTING, AFTER IT GOES BELOW 25% STAM
• Buck costs an INSANE amount per tick, meaning it is literally NEVER worth it to attack
• Longest attack cooldowns/windups in the GAME
• Cannot use any powerful attack while moving
• Attacks to the front and back take MUCH longer, meaning you NEED opponents to be to your side to not whiff most of the time
• Worst swim speed in the entire game
• Cannot initiate a swing while sprinting

[barren zephyr]

gets obliterated by tail

[limber hull]

Its only upside is "oh it does a lot of damage" but, in reality, it's like a crappy dark souls boss

[tight iron]

no sir he cant see you coming

[limber hull]

It has a single, high damaging attack that OBLITERATES you, but once you learn that one attack, you can dodge it and easily counterattack in the massive downtime

[tight iron]

also cant sit down if attacked by raptors

you literally can CANCEL that thing

which makes sense but bro stego is completely obliterated right now

[barren zephyr]

this isnt twitter

but ok

[tight iron]

i think we all know

[limber hull]

Stegosaurus is like a dark souls boss, but minus the plethora of unique attacks that actually make a dark souls boss hard

It just does a lot of damage and that's it really

[barren zephyr]

it was just the fact that you said "cancel it"

[tight iron]

ohhh

didnt get the joke damn it

[barren zephyr]

which gets changed soon

[limber hull]

Thank God for that lol

[tight iron]

good

i know stegos are war criminals and stuff but... man

it's just sad to see them drop like flies

[barren zephyr]

its curent tail swing will be an alt atatck, apperantly

[limber hull]

The upcoming stego changes are much needed to make the animal not feel like a clunky mess

[tight iron]

yes

[limber hull]

If it's treated like how every other alt attack is treated, there might be hope for it yet

[barren zephyr]

agaisnt pro raptors yeah, not against a pack of raptors with the same raptor skill as me

it would be the opposite

[tight iron]

ive found east plains casual raptor packs taking out a stego

and we all know how BAD those players are

[limber hull]

I class stego as I class dryo and hypsi (except I find dryo's combat far more fun and engaging than stego lmao)

[barren zephyr]

when they are 7 or somethin

[tight iron]

cant even bite

[limber hull]

An unfinished, weak-ass herbivore

[tight iron]

yea it was a full pack

[limber hull]

Except dryo I actually feel less garbage

[tight iron]

dryo is better than stego

[limber hull]

And hypsi tbh

[barren zephyr]

what is a stego even doing at east plains though???

[tight iron]

imo nothing is worse than stego rn

[tight iron]

that is actually a great question

[limber hull]

Unironically? Yes. From a combat perspective, dryo is underrated as hell

[tight iron]

yeah im aware dat's what im sayin

the only dino that imo is on the ground and buried is deino

[barren zephyr]

18 downvotes

[tight iron]

in a coffin nailed 2 meters underground

deino is just a memory at this point

i literally always drink at the rivers there is no risk

there are no deinos in this game anymore

[barren zephyr]

they should remove about half the safe drinking spots, makes deino more fun, and you would also think twice before drinking

[tight iron]

spiro: deino invasion
gateway: literally none

[tight iron]

imo they should give way more nutrient gain to deino and maek its hunger drain even slower

rn it's 90 minutes but for some stupid reason it aint enough

either go to east plains and get killed or go to highlands and also get killed

that is deino gameplay rn

[barren zephyr]

survival of the fittest moment

[limber hull]

removing "half the safe drinking spots" is what made the deinopocalypse in spiro

no thanks

[barren zephyr]

which i think the game should be based on

[tight iron]

completley

but it's just sad if the dino is unable to exist

[limber hull]

in spiro, devs were oddly obsessed with eradicating anywhere that wasn't deep water

[barren zephyr]

they introduced it way to early

[tight iron]

survival of the fittest? yes of course, however tf is a 20% deino gonna do against a fg 😭

[barren zephyr]

swim

[limber hull]

the better plan is to ADD A CREATURE DESIGNED TO EXIST NEAR SHALLOW WATER, TO JUXTAPOSE DEINO

LITERALLY SUCHOMIMUS

[barren zephyr]

hide in those logs underwater

[tight iron]

we could say "shouldn't have gone there" but there is no other place to go to 💀

[tight iron]

too slow

[tight iron]

oxygen moment

also you can still be nibbled in most of em soooo....

[barren zephyr]

same goes for the fg deino, i think smaller the deino. the bether its oxygen is underwater

[tight iron]

wait is that actually a thing

[barren zephyr]

just hide in the tall seeweed, gotten away like that all the time before

[tight iron]

agreed

deino and stego suck so bad right now that it's genuinely sad

[barren zephyr]

because nv underwtaer is good, but bad

they should keep the quality of the nv like how it is, but make its general lenght longer

[tight iron]

i got a question for yall

be honest would you like to have spiro plains in gateway instead of the pseudo plains we have

like yknow actual plains

east plains is not plains you die to fall damage everywhere

and same for ne plains

[barren zephyr]

yes, but still needs some tweaking

[tight iron]

only south plains are actual plains

[barren zephyr]

fr

[tight iron]

yeah ofc no doubt but it was just curiosity

[barren zephyr]

but spiro plains are so goddamn hilly

[tight iron]

spiro plains imo were peak

those are proper plains

[limber hull]

Spiro plains are pseudo plains lol

[barren zephyr]

no, its not a typo

[tight iron]

well plains are usually like that irl so

[tight iron]

compare em to east plains and ne plains

[limber hull]

NE is literally infinitely better at being "plains" than centre Spiro lol

[barren zephyr]

the path was actualy engraved into the soil after usage, so it makes some sense

[barren zephyr]

its more like a platau

[limber hull]

Centre Spiro is a godless abomination of hills

[tight iron]

well ne plains ig could be said to be plains now in hordetesting but mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tight iron]

not talking about center btw

[limber hull]

It has always been plains

[tight iron]

idk how plains have a big ass lake in the middle of it and hills everywhere

[barren zephyr]

but very boring

[tight iron]

if it was only some terrain variation then alr that's plains

[barren zephyr]

its more like an oasis

[tight iron]

but you can't call smth plains when it's got a big ass lake that makes it just not plains

[tight iron]

nailed it

imo gateway has way too many mountains

[barren zephyr]

its like a bad hybrid between a plains/platau and a oasis

[tight iron]

the map itself feels like a massive mountain

would like to see more stable terrain

[barren zephyr]

its not plains, but kinda an oasis, but barely has those charecteristsics

[limber hull]

play V3 lol

[tight iron]

dw i have played it

the map itself is a massive mountain 💀

[barren zephyr]

fr

[tight iron]

which is just boring

few more actual, legitimate plains

some of the gateway forests imo should just go away

flatten the terrain a bit

we use the eyes to hunt but we cant even see if it's a big ass forest

[barren zephyr]

the forests need smore tweaking, but not like that

[tight iron]

no wonder ppl stack up at east plains, it's a "kinda" plains, has water n food

ppl just go to where you can properly fight and find activity 🤷‍♂️

aint finding that in a massive forest

[barren zephyr]

imo, the map need to be more dense with plants, makes it look more overgrown. making it like the lore

[tight iron]

uuuh

i mean...

i cant disagree with that but

flattened terrain 😭

[barren zephyr]

but smaller things should always have 50% opacity on plants etc

so it wont be a problem

you can easily see in the forests

btw

[tight iron]

too many rocks too many plants imo

[barren zephyr]

19 downvotes

[tight iron]

too many hills too many cliffs etc etc etc

[barren zephyr]

how

[tight iron]

LOL

[barren zephyr]

well yeah some places

[tight iron]

idk man i just dont find it really enjoyable to go around the map like that

some proper open space would be cool

ne plains is proper open space ofc, but dat big ass lake with river... meh

[barren zephyr]

is it bcause raptors falls when dino scrapes its side against something

[tight iron]

no it's cause i like to see

not even talking from a raptor perspective

[barren zephyr]

raptor vision cant be that low

[tight iron]

just from a player perspective

im just saying that if im forced to move around big forests all the time it really gets just meh

cause im NOT going to south plains

[barren zephyr]

why not, betehr then east

in terms of quality

[tight iron]

im not gonna go to either place

both are hellholes

im ballin at highlands and around the map

[barren zephyr]

go west access?

its my fav spot

[tight iron]

im usually around highlands rn

[barren zephyr]

same

[tight iron]

it's a great place

water, stegos, raptor places

[barren zephyr]

but i think they nailed almost every part of west

[tight iron]

with raptor places i mean rocks and caves

[barren zephyr]

average raptor sitting on rock:

its so annoying imo

[tight iron]

lolz

it's a good spot to be on lmao

you safe so 🤷‍♂️

wat dino do u main sir out of curiosity

[barren zephyr]

stam goes to 20, sits on rock, continues to solo a carno, not balanced

[tight iron]

well... about that

you see, raptor is very smol

[barren zephyr]

dilo

[tight iron]

it needs a place to be safe at cause it's not safe on the ground

[tight iron]

OH GET AWAY FROM ME YOU DEVIL jkjk

[barren zephyr]

no worries

[tight iron]

let me list the amount of things that 1 tap it

[barren zephyr]

but i will main acro, once its out

[barren zephyr]

stego, uhhh, uhhh. hmmm

nothing else

[tight iron]

teno stego herrera carno cera pachy dilo (kinda) deino

[barren zephyr]

hell nawwwfbvhbdgbd sbhnaeb

[tight iron]

with dilo i mean insta envenomation basically

[barren zephyr]

teno takes it to red

[barren zephyr]

goes on rock:

[tight iron]

good luck finding it 😭

u bilnd and cant see north south etc

[barren zephyr]

i will main acro, am i goated

[tight iron]

even with a lot of map knowledge you miss it most of the times 😭

[tight iron]

yessir

[barren zephyr]

nice

avergae rex main vs average acro enjoyer

anyways

[tight iron]

real

[barren zephyr]

miss what?

[tight iron]

the rocc

[barren zephyr]

because of fear? (i forgot the right word for it)

[tight iron]

nope because of your inability to see and guide yourself

[barren zephyr]

fence:

[tight iron]

cant see it either sob

[barren zephyr]

being faster, or bether agilety, depending on what is chasing you

[tight iron]

keep in mind you being chased by a crazy boi spam biting you

gotta find dat fence/rock quick