general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

One would imagine that the thing consistently preyed upon one of nature's strongest carnivores would, in turn, be one of nature's strongest herbivores

[ivory sandal]

Legitimately every single thing Trike has ever evolved and adapted was specifically to counter rex, Trike should rock Tyrannosaurus' organs off in this game

[ivory sandal]

Ex-frickin-actly

[limber hull]

Rex should not win in a brawl, only in a competent ambush

If you walk up to a trike, broad daylight, yea, you should not win

[ivory sandal]

Trike should best Isle's super Spinossurus too but that's neither here nor there

[latent olive]

eat grass and die

[limber hull]

(isle concept art when a single acro just chokes a trike to death, solo)

[ivory sandal]

That's actually another piece of trivia that's interesting

Due to research from Eric Snivley, a paleontologist and theropod expert, the fight between rex and trike is so close its to the point where environment and daylight factors are the only things which actually sway the matchup in anyone's favor

Trike wins in open spaces and during the day, rex wins in forests and at night, and presumably it's bitter close when one factor matches one animal, and the other factor matches the other animal

[limber hull]

Which is good! Trike should be at its weakest when ambushed, because all its defence is out front. Trike should be winning against rexes it knows are coming, but be on a back foot in an ambush

[ivory sandal]

That should be how it is in game but funnily enough rex has a standing agility 2x greater than Tyrannosaurus' moving agility, it could probably turn around and gore the rex or make it screw off before the rex can kill it lol

But yeah that should be the focus ingame regardless, Triceratops especially should be god tier head to head but be extremely vulnerable to hind attacks

Hell maybe make its hindlimbs a special headshot-esque zone

[ivory sandal]

Head canoning that to the trike being skill issue

Both in and out of game, interpret that how you will

[north quiver]

@maiden anvil I really love that teno animation

[maiden anvil]

Appreciate it!

[left ridge]

I’m genuinely curious why are so many people against the idea of the health bar returning?

[left ridge]

OH AND YES THATS COOL ASF I really hope it gets implemented it looks awesome!

[zinc field]

Hey Im new here and I was just wondering if the spawn with the Hysilophodon has been fixed yet? I really wanted to try that one out.

[hollow mirage]

I like the status indicator and screens we have now
Idk what the others think

[urban flax]

Why is it so important ?
You don't need to know your exact health percentage at all times

[hollow mirage]

The UI feels clean and knowing your exact % isnt needed
Your dinosaurs weight is your HP

You can easily gage how much damage you can take
Smth I do think though is tail nips shouldnt get you below 70% HP...

[left ridge]

Oh yeah i know I just liked the heart symbol before since it made it a little easier to visualise

[left ridge]

Oh yeah I agree, maybe some animals it would make more sense but for the most part tail hits getting you so low suck and it makes it harder to reduce the tail riding that still occurs at times

[hollow mirage]

Maybe it will be an option for non official servers to add
Or it might comeback as a mutation

[left ridge]

That would be neat!
We don’t need it but I was curious on other peoples takes on it 😊 TYSM! Take care!

[tight iron]

@willow mason wrong channel 💀

also yes you can move while bucking

[willow mason]

aight

[tight iron]

delete it before a mod notices

[willow mason]

delete what

[hollow mirage]

Is it E you hold to buck?

[tight iron]

u asked a question in a suggestion channel

[willow mason]

alright

[tight iron]

yis

[willow mason]

thanks bro

[tight iron]

np

[urban flax]

It depends on the dino

Stego for example can't move while bucking
But I think it's the only one

[cyan flame]

It can't? Since when?

[urban flax]

It never could
Unless it has 2 different bucking animations ?

[cyan flame]

It used to be able to, you can move and buck, it's just that only the head anims if you move

Not that you want to anyway, since moving while having someone on you drains stamina, but still

[urban flax]

I see
Well this shows how often I play stego

[cyan flame]

It's like that on most critters I think, teno would be one of the few that has the full bucking even while moving, while carno only shakes its head while moving

[urban flax]

So that must be why sometimes I lose all of my stam when pouncing someone as a troodon, despite them not visually bucking ?

[cyan flame]

Could be, yes

[full pewter]

Genuine question, but how many of yall still think Herrera should get flesh grazing?

[radiant nest]

Would be cool as part of a less powerful drop attack

[full pewter]

Me personally I’m becoming more indifferent to it, like it’d be cool but I’d rather the devs focus on other things

[full pewter]

@sonic rain Cannibalism is something everyone needs to be aware of, especially on officials. Some playables even need to cannibalise at times. But you as the player need to be responsible and aware. Trust others with extreme care, even of your species (EVEN herbivores). Its not wrong to cannibalise, you just need to be cautious

[sonic rain]

its not natural mate and ruin experience for other players
especially if they are new so a new in game moderation is needed you cant always be careful in 2 on 1 situation most canines are backstabbers also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFGPkd1edJo

[full pewter]

Honestly there’s nothing you can do about backstabbers outside of rules servers. My advice is to play with people you know. People you just meet in game could be all kinds of people, you just never know. Also recognizing cannibals is very hard, anyone could decide to turn on you at any time

[sonic rain]

that's why i saying some shorta rule made available please

[bold mason]

mayyybe for herbis, but not for deino and cera ofc

[midnight heath]

It'd just be best to go to an unofficial server if you want rules

[barren zephyr]

@idle briar #general-feedback message

Hotspots are basically inevitable no matter what you do players will still find ways to make hotspots, thats just map design. Random spawns even if they were back wouldn't really stop players from producing hotspots. Only other way I guess you could do to prevent hotspots could be a stress mechanic but that could easily have flaws too.

[clever seal]

@idle briar I think it might be because of officials, but maybe its a skill issue in terms of your ability to get water, the east pond water has some visibility on land during certain times of the day which allows you to spot deinos before they get ya

[clever seal]

I agree its just not going to happen some people are just going to like certain places more

[idle briar]

then i want to see other place XD

i usually stay in hotspot and i miss highland

just hate this herra hell

[dry falcon]

@past dome what 💀

[hollow jetty]

@queen ember #general-feedback message I really like this idea and it will probably make afk growing much less prevalent which would be great. While the current hunger times are very nice it seems they are made more for when you are adult/bigger and generally need to eat more to fill your stomach which makes it lasting longer pretty much necessary. The side effect though is that you can grow to sub adult without eating anything other than as a fresh spawn which your suggestion would solve. There also is sort of a system in place already for this as hunger drains much faster when nested in, which even more highlights how wierd the hunger drain when growing is when you reach the "natural spawn hatchling %" and hunger drain starkly drops off. One thing I would add to your suggestion though is to make a sort of threshold that when your hunger drops below it drains less. This stops fresh spawns from starving to death very quickly and can act as a sort of reward system for players that play actively giving some growth boost or something.

[queen ember]

Fresh spawns don’t grow fast because they start with one nutrient so their stomachs won’t grow very large

Perfect diet = grow fast = my stomach grows fast and my food technically drops faster

Slower growth = longer stomach growth = I’ll barely notice

If you want perfect diet it means you are gonna need to put In more work for it

Though at full adult it wouldn’t do much unfortunately

[past dome]

Hello

[barren zephyr]

Hi

[hollow jetty]

sure but even fresh spawns that found food quick and then couldn't find more, but yeah depends on how much more it will drain so could probably find a nice sweet spot

[queen ember]

If you got a perfect diet I’m sure you got enough food to not instantly starve. Especially as a fresh spawn

Can’t imagine a scenario where you got a perfect diet and still need more food

[hollow jetty]

I know I don't mean instantly needing more food. More like in a while you need to eat again, and depending on how high the drain is some values can make it so you don't have enough time to go and find more to eat without always running towards food and/or sitting in hotspots which is another thing I would like to disincentivize

[queen ember]

That’s the cost for wanting to grow faster and get better buffs ig

If you wanna grow faster you gotta work harder

[full pewter]

@unique tree If I’m right the next patch is supposed to come with a lot of QOL changes, including fixing some lighting issues. Nights are also supposed to be shorter

[unique tree]

I've heard the same, but as far as I'm aware there is no word on when the next patch is supposed to be

I'm asking for a lighting fix sooner

[normal lotus]

@wicked hare thats...kinda pachy thing. It's made to make sure people think before they attack and properly ambush it. If you just run in blindly you are going to get punished HARD.

[full pewter]

Me personally I’d expect to hear something by the end of the month but who knows

[full pewter]

Similarly with teno, I find it funny how many people say that since it’s a “herding animal” it shouldn’t fight back this hard, then we have to dive into this whole can of worms

[normal lotus]

Teno is a brawler that, while can be in herds, you mostly use it for intimidation factor and instead are better in a 1v1. Pachy in herds is pretty strong and can fracture the hell out of you. It's why it's best to avoid pachy groups when alone.

This does not mean they don't have counterplay or can't be hunted.

When a carno runs in people panic a good amount. In the insuing chaos try and separate a pachy or teno from the rest and have your buddies kill it while you distract/lure away the horde of now very angry, and annoyed teno or pachy.

[wicked hare]

if you ambush this creature, and get locked into a stupid bite animation for literally 1 second, it will get up and lightly tap right click once and now your legs are broken and you die. The "counterplay" is non existant, it should take at least SOME amount of time to charge an attack capable of breaking legs.

[normal lotus]

Are you talking about cerato in this instance?

[wicked hare]

i was playing as a utah, found an unaware pachy resting at night during a storm, ran up to him and bit him exactly once, began running, and within that 1 second exchange he got out of rest (he didn't start getting up until the bite happened), head butted me, broke my legs, and that's it. I was done for. Fight was over. Zero counterplay. There's no better time to ambush someone than that description. Unless they're locked into an eating animation maybe, but that's a whole other conversation of stupid decisions (being locked into animation for far too long)

[normal lotus]

Wait you didn't pounce em?

[wicked hare]

he was resting riverside. a bite was objectively the smarter play as opposed to getting walked into the water

[desert arch]

Biting doesnt lock you in an animatioun though. Unless you do an alt bite.

[normal lotus]

Iirc omniraptor pins pachy

[desert arch]

Nope

Pachy is heavier by 50kg

But pachy is vulnerable to pin for like 95% of its growth

[normal lotus]

Thought it did

[wicked hare]

i didn't do an alt bite, but i stopped running to get the head bite and turn away from the water, a run-through bite didn't seem feasible/easy to pull off.

i'm just wondering, for clarity, y'all think it's fair that a pachy can instantly break legs? without charging the attack?

[desert arch]

Going for the head was your mistake, pachy has a 0.75x multiplier on headshots

You wouldve been better off biting its rear, would not have put you right in front of its face

[desert arch]

The only part i dislike is fast get up costing no stamina while being as fast as it is

[wicked hare]

where is this information located

why is information so tribal, why aren't extremely important stats like this viewable in game?? why does everything have to be heresay or painstakingly obnoxious testing

[desert arch]

In the collective mind of the community, or the wiki, if it has been updated

[normal lotus]

I mean...it'd seem like a little bit of common sense?

[wicked hare]

right sorry, i missed the hive mind plugin update. i'll get back to you once it's downloaded

the wiki is almost entirely outdated legacy garbage.

[desert arch]

Then your best bet is testing in an admin server, thats how i did it

Or asking others more knowledgeable

[wicked hare]

ok

[normal lotus]

Not to be rude I mean. Just use a little context clues:
There are damage multipliers, pachy has a very thick head, so it likely has less of a multiplier on the head.

[desert arch]

But yeah, information is really hard to come by, especially for new players

[normal lotus]

This is true.

[wicked hare]

likely it has a feature that no other dino has ever had before, right, total common sense. because everything in the isle is rooted in perfectly rational realism. i gotta go, take care guys

[desert arch]

Nothing that you can be blamed for, weve all been there

[cyan flame]

Learning by doing is basically the order for this game, for good and ill

There is a lack of tutorials and info, yes

[normal lotus]

Literally every dinosaur has a multiplier. Some parts deal more damage than others

[cyan flame]

To be fair, nothing really even tells you there are multipliers

[wicked hare]

the annoying thing is i went through this once already, learning legacy when i played it 6 years ago. and now i'm going through it again because we STILL don't have basic information available in game. only NOW the journey is even harder because the wiki is almost entirely about the legacy version.

[desert arch]

Only other animal with a special head multiplier is stego (2x)

[cyan flame]

Yeah, don't use the wikia, if you have questions, ask around here on the discord instead

Most of the time people will help out and provide information to the best of their ability, though it won't always be correct, but it's still far more likely to be closer to accurate than not

[normal lotus]

True, though we do have confirmation of a possible tutorial

...I think

[kindred grove]

Is there any possibility of banishing hackers by blocking some computer components, such as video cards, hard drives, etc.

[limber hull]

what?

blocking entire video cards seems like... a really bad idea lol

[icy lion]

I don't think steam allows hardware bans very often

[limber hull]

that's not how hardware IDs work btw

you don't ban by component

[icy lion]

I know, but I believe that's what Renato was alluding to

[limber hull]

i was just continuing my prior statement dw about it lol, ur fine

[kindred grove]

Block video cards only for hackers

[limber hull]

yea that's not how it works

Unless you want RTX 2070 users to be banned because a hacker also uses an RTX 2070, for instance

[kindred grove]

Why does a person get blocked, buy a new account and continue hacking?

[kindred grove]

Are you referring to the RTX filter?

[normal lotus]

You mean blocking the ID right?

[kindred grove]

Yes, I'm just referring to the hardware ID of the person using hacker

[normal lotus]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

@limber hull he meant the hardware ID.

[kindred grove]

I don't know if it would be possible, I heard that a game wants to do this

[queen ember]

@flint magnet so raptors, dilos, troodons nor any creature can hunt something bigger than them

[kindred grove]

that's right

[tight iron]

@flint magnet the idea is good but people would kill others with that

3 low health pachies could kill a cera with a broken leg like that

[flint magnet]

I dont know if you played animalia , im not talking a huge decrease in a short amount of time or a big bubble area. also , when your around your own species you get the opposite buff so you fear less than you would alone.. I guess its hard to think of if you havent played animalia, it wouldnt work as a weapon but you wouldnt be able to hide as a solo cera between 5 stegos like i was watching lastnight.

It would just have to be across all dinos , in animalia I think only the carnivores add the effect

[flint magnet]

yeah , I could see what you mean but it isnt that drasctic. I get what you mean , they could just stay around the cera and not hit it.

[tight iron]

yis, and considering how pachies are mentally insane, they would do that all day long instead of killing others just to ruin their days

[flint magnet]

His legs would heal before he died unless he was almost dead though. Its not that drastic , Ive really only seen it come into effect at breeding events. Animalia only has 1 server and its private , so people would get banned protecting other species. Even if it was very light or mostly effected buffs , it should help the protecting of other species while not being able to be used as a weapon. The fact you would be stressed and not getting your buffs would be something that maybe stopped people from wanting to mix pack.

[past dome]

What do you guys think about pteranodon buff idea

[tropic girder]

@golden basin great suggestion, however

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-11696290149702695690

[golden basin]

ayo thanks xD

[tropic girder]

dont check the X btw

[golden basin]

❤️

[tropic girder]

💜

[weary elk]

#general-feedback message I just wanted to point out that gazelle aren't very big at all. A leopard is about the same size as a gazelle.

[barren zephyr]

Not really, leopards are still a tad bigger

[bold mason]

suicide button is a bad idea, people will abuse it to get free food/organs.... not to mention after you kill them they can spam suicide till they get a good spawn to come right back

[normal lotus]

An unstuck option works

[bold mason]

agreed, but even better just make it so you cant get stuck, ever.

[midnight heath]

@final lava As far as I'm aware BB isn't random for pachy.

Plus ramming does take a chunk of stamina to use

[final lava]

needs to chunk more like charge for carno does

the more you hold the stance the more the stamina is used

i like that Idea

[limber hull]

carno's version of that already sucks. Why give that to more playables

[midnight heath]

Pachy's turn isn't good enough for it to "take a stance" anyhow

With how it flies you forward it just wouldn't realistically work

[final lava]

Yeah I think the stamina drain as soon as you hold the stance is a good idea yep

[midnight heath]

But it already takes stamina? I'm not sure how the thing you're asking for helps your case or what you want.

What would it gain from needing to hold a stance anyway? It's headbutting something not charging.

[final lava]

because realistically you cant hold that stance irl and not get tired while running soo stamina drain as soon as you touch that will make pachy players think twice when to charge that is being generous.

not saying take bone break away because they could but they didnt just run around like normal players do and act like that, just saying

[limber hull]

that's why pachy can't stay in that stance forever. It gets tired

[final lava]

and increase is needed

[limber hull]

if we're giving pachy such a change, we'd also have to make it that cerato drains stam for charging its bite

[final lava]

it does allot a whole lot faster then pachy

carno not cerato

but cerato is just opening its mouth

[limber hull]

and pachy is just raising its body

that's not particularly difficult

[final lava]

which requires more stamine to maintain in a full sprint

[limber hull]

teno raises its body while sniffing, so does galli and carno

[final lava]

opening your mouth and raising your entire body while running are two completely different things, one requires a couple of muscles the other requires the legs back and everything

[final lava]

Bro they arent runnning like that

that is standing still

This convo is going knowhwere good day gentlmen

[midnight heath]

It's also a video game where we have a dinosaur that spawns copies of itself that do DMG, are you really sure you want to go the "realism" argument?

[final lava]

This is suposed to be the most realistic dino game and that is exactly what dondi is heading for sooo

and hallucianations can cause someone to self harm just saying and that is proven

[midnight heath]

No one tell him about Gen 1 humans

[barren zephyr]

Does omni too or nah?

[midnight heath]

It does in fact straighten up a bit in the animation to sniff before lowering itself back down to sniff the ground.

[midnight heath]

The dinosaur isn't self harming, it's being bitten by hallucinations that the dilo spawns in by basically laughing.

Not to mention you just can't smell either because that's realistic too

[full pewter]

@silent karma I think it’s worth noting that even that reconstruction of Spinosaurus may not entirely be accurate. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’m hearing there’s a possibility the legs we have might belong to a younger individual, which would make that reconstruction a chimera. Other studies have also found that an animal as heavy as Spinosaurus could not possibly support itself with legs that small, at least bipedally. We could say it walked on its knuckles, but Spinosaurus also doesn’t show any clear adaptations for this (granted how would we know). Now that doesn’t mean the current spino model for evrima is better cause it isn’t, but I think it’s worth understanding the gray area in the spino debate

[next raven]

@hybrid zenith im running it fine on high graphics on a geforce gtx 1080

[latent olive]

theres also the case that if we got an "accurate" spinosaurus it would get folded in half by anything the size of allo or above

[maiden anvil]

@rough wren Sorry to say but a suicide button is a terrible idea

I’d prefer to delete my Dino from the menu if anything

I’m sorry what?

[latent olive]

getting attacked

hide

exit to menu

delete playable

i wouldnt mind if you had to exit to the menu to then kill your character which leaves a body, but even that might be abuseable, according to amarok

[limber hull]

i dont understand this mindset, because you can do the same with sleeping

[maiden anvil]

And I agree to that

[limber hull]

the deletion should require you to go fully to sleep

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-national-geographic-secrets-of-the-zoo-down-under-whats-a-sheltopusik-what-was-that-gif-24912251

[maiden anvil]

This ^

[latent olive]

personally i would just like an unstuck command

theres an unstuck option in one of the FPS games i used to play, and not a single person would use it because you dont have the chance in combat to stop and use it

[maiden anvil]

This hasn’t anything to do with that. A unstuck button isn’t a bad idea BUT we are talking about people that may not wanna continue with their current dino

Besides the point of Dinos still being in the game even if you exit and try to delete it from there

[urban flax]

or wait 5 minutes for your dino to despawn if you quicklog

[tight iron]

yes

starts by sniffing the ground for a while and then gets up practically like a carno 1 calling to then go down again

@final kettle considering how blood is unreliable (i always think im on red when im on yellow) and all animals know how badly injured they are (which we can't know in a video game) i agree, however it is never coming back

sucks to be the one who says this but punch said after gateway that the heart will never come back

[final kettle]

so dumb i wish it could

whats the point of getting rid of it when we can see other percentages

makes no sense

[tight iron]

for now you can figure it out via bite force but that only applies to orange-red health

[final kettle]

yeah i dont think most people are doing the math for that lol

[tight iron]

just like this painful stamina system, to get rid of "toxic pvp"

[final kettle]

the game is a survival not pvp if people want to fight then go to path of titans lmao

[tight iron]

in survival you're always fighting tho

at least in the wild

[final kettle]

its not a pvp game tho

[tight iron]

it kinda is, survival = pvp

you fight for everything in the wild anyways so

also toxic pvp is a way of saying everyone was fighting cause there was nothing else to do

solution is to add other fun things not nerf combat to the ground

[final kettle]

true i guess

there needs to be more features to combat that

[tight iron]

yis

if there's an issue revolving pvp, add more stuff to do other than fight

this game's pvp is probably the best pvp ive ever seen so no wonder everyone wants to fight

[final kettle]

yeah

[latent olive]

the exact health percentage incentivised PvPing

[final kettle]

yeah true but it would be nice to just see what you are at

[limber hull]

you can

[final kettle]

how

[limber hull]

health indicator at bottom of screen

[final kettle]

the pulse?

[limber hull]

ya

[tight iron]

you can also use bite force if you're at orange-red, it's the closest you can get to the heart

@dusty stirrup iirc there's a crap ton of devs they just test too many things

like "what if we did this..." "sure let's give it a go" "welp this didn't work out, gotta scrap it"

[dry falcon]

@dusty stirrup I agree, right now theres not much to do

[full pewter]

Not too sure on that but I agree it wouldn’t feel much of an “apex”, I also just like to have at least one game doing a jp spino since all other games are doing accurate spinos, like let me enjoy a jp spino lol

[bold egret]

What's there to disagree with when Im saying "Heighten stam regen, lower growing times, and add a basic minimap that doesn't show you the location of anyone or special items just where you are in relation to the map."

I'm genuinely curious.

Yall just hitting x cuz it be pretty? :P XD

Well, ya'll can disagree all you want. The game's player count and metrics say otherwise.

[boreal vessel]

Why am I… a full grown carno Taurus being harassed by birds that aren’t even the size of my ARM….

[limber hull]

because the game doesn't need any of those things

the growth times, stam system and lack of minimap are all very intentional

[boreal vessel]

Well that’s not what they’re saying… intentional or not he’s implying that maybe some of their intentions can be double checked … a fair assessment if you ask me

[limber hull]

In the case of stam changes and growth times, those are pretty much here to stay

[midnight heath]

being rewarded for a handful of hours of grow-time along with how punishing specific aspects are is part of the appeal to me personally.

[radiant nest]

Stam will be changed to be unique for each playable

[queen ember]

@boreal vessel Yellow which is still 75% of your health . But Teno is like almost the same size as Carno idk what to tell you. That being said Carno charge isn’t very good atm

It’s a problem that Carno charge takes 6 seconds to knock anything over which is absurd

[wooden agate]

the player count has been consistent for months

[limber hull]

shhh

don't argue with the narrative

[normal lotus]

We are around the same population we were a year ago.

[boreal vessel]

I understand they’re close in weight. But still, it’s our key tool, skill, our ram. If I can ram a teno, and it can blatantly eat it and still swipe me, in the middle of my ram, that is a huge problem

[past pilot]

bro i gurantee the playerbase would probably double if the isle reverted the stam 😭

[boreal vessel]

Also ramming raptors is a huge problem too. The carno is vulnerable, very vulnerable between our diet or lack of, as well as our ram failing, very weak legs, it’s very hard at times to grow carno.

A few update ago, fighting a teno 1v1 was pretty balanced. I’m 0-3 right now.

[queen ember]

Tailslam is supposed to counter ram. If you see it coming, you counter it. Thats why Carnos should not just sprint around like a maniac. Choose spots carefully and ambush. Be smart

Get to spots and wait for them to eat or aren’t paying attention

[midnight heath]

An herbivore defending itself? Unheard of.

[boreal vessel]

No no, when our ram connects, when 2 metric tons of mass rams you at 51KM/H, there should not be much of a counter for that.

That is a huge fail for the game.

[midnight heath]

"I want carno to be able to knock down teno without it being able to fight back" isn't a great change

[queen ember]

Then how do you want a Teno to avoid it considering it’s hard hitbox with its tail

[midnight heath]

That's a stun plus a bite, right back to what it was before. Unfair.

[past pilot]

i love how the devs went out with "oh dont use stam as much" even though yes utah and ptera which both are horrible right now use a lot, they literally dont have enough ACTUAL STAMINA to conserve, like the values are so horrible that 1 - 3 pounces is all you can get, then wait 4 minutes idgaf if I'm ranting but this needs to be fixed man

[boreal vessel]

That’s not even what I’m saying.. Sorry but you SHOULDNT be able to counter 2 tons of mass ramming you..

[queen ember]

Teno doesn’t have the agility or body type to juke things. It needs to rely on hitting enemies before they hit it

It’s an aggressive brawler. Thats what it’s good at

[past pilot]

genuinely like how are people supposed to conserve stam when your main method of fighting is pouncing and even with enough carefully aimed pounces you still end up drained at 0% losing the fight

actually flabbergasting

[radiant nest]

Ptera is actually really not horrible rn, I played it like two days ago

[jovial hazel]

As much as people like arguing about it, it's almost undeniable that carno charge is in a bad spot and teno attacks use almost no stamina.. so it is definitely favoring the teno more than any other time that I can remember.

[midnight heath]

And a tiny raptor shouldn't be able to drain the stamina on a 6 tonned herbivore yet it does.

Teno and carno aren't that far off in weight, if that's the case carno shouldn't be able to not get knocked down by it's massive muscle of a tail.

[boreal vessel]

From what I’ve seen tenos can move rather smooth. Compared to carnos. So my point stands, when 2 tons connects on a teno, at max speed, or damn near max speed, the teno shouldn’t be able to pull out a reverse uno and stop the ram.

[jovial hazel]

But it doesn't need much. Just a couple tweaks and it would be fine.

[queen ember]

Yes it’s Teno favored rn. And Carno charge is not very good rn. But it’s not a Teno problem, it’s a charge problem not being a good ambush tool

[past pilot]

the growth rate is atrocious even with perfect diet

[boreal vessel]

But idk, just voicing my opinion. I know a few updates ago fighting 1v1 seemed more balanced for real.

[radiant nest]

I haven’t experienced this, I find it quite reasonable

[jovial hazel]

I think teno stam costs are too low for kick and tailslam. 2% and 3% is nothing.

[queen ember]

If you played when tailslam didn’t counter charge you would know how terrible the matchup becomes

[past pilot]

i mean i dont even play ptera anymore, nor utah because both's main playstyle revolves around stam and they are literally useless

[radiant nest]

Ok…

[past pilot]

you cant effectively even hunt as a utah because it has such bad stam

like deadass if you land EVERY single pounce and hit very well, likely you will end up running out of stam and dying

[queen ember]

It does have a bit too much flexibility I will agree. Costs should be raised slightly, though that doesn’t really change much with the matchup.

[radiant nest]

Huh? We were talking about ptera

[past pilot]

yeah just mentioning

im just mad asf about how they gutted the two dinosaurs

[queen ember]

Be in a group. Take turns

[midnight heath]

I've seen omnis do pretty alright the past few days despite the stamina issue

[past pilot]

i should have specified solo

[radiant nest]

Ptera just requires a bit of knowledge and thought to play now, but Omni requires skill and a good pack

[midnight heath]

I had a single omni pounce my pachy once and that was enough to bleed it out.

[jovial hazel]

It would help some, with no real reprocussions from spamming your attacks, you do just that. Carno charge should be lowered stamina and maybe shortened the time needed to stun/knockdown. The whole point of the cooldown on charge was so you didn't have to completely punish carno for using it's one tool when stamina is such a valuable resource now.

[past pilot]

solo / duo utah is extremely hard to get off pounces because after 3 you basically cant even get close

[queen ember]

Then you should know Omni isn’t meant to run around fighting things its size by itself

[midnight heath]

I also had 2 omni kill my teno via bleed too recently, if you're patient and land those pounces you'll do just fine.

[radiant nest]

Makes sense, it’s intended to be a pack animal

[past pilot]

i know it just feels a lot more lengthy then it needs to be

[jovial hazel]

Omni is fine, you definitely have to play slower and smarter than before. Especially when they add back rear-pounce, omni will be pretty/too strong again.

[queen ember]

If you are a lone raptor. Mainly kill stuff like Juvies and small animals. Don’t fight stuff bigger than you

[midnight heath]

I think omni is close to being right where it should be, it needs some tweaks here and there but I think it should take a little more of a skill ceiling especially without a pack.

[past pilot]

yeah omni may be fine for most people and i can see that but the other dinosaur i was mentikoning, ptera, is ruined

[queen ember]

Otherwise get a group

[midnight heath]

Carno just seems lacking which is sad, it needs work too and always has.

It's kit isn't really alot

[queen ember]

Ptera is fine

[jovial hazel]

Supposedly they are adding thermal updrafts or something around the map.. maybe that will help ptera conserve stam and move around easier.

We'll see.

[past pilot]

that will be great because i have played ptera for a long time and never has it been so horrible

i know how to conserve stam just fine and all, its just theres so little in the first place

it doesnt seem right for something so lightweight and small

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, you lose a lot just getting up to a decent height to cruise around. Maybe the updrafts will be enough. But the night vision is horrible for me.. you can't do anything at night, at all.

Maybe with night/lighting and storm changes, it will be fine.. I know not everything is supposed to have great night vision.

Ptera's seems pretty rough though.

[queen ember]

If you are flying, don’t press shift much, just raise your camera and hold W to go forward. You don’t lose much stam

When skimming get your fish, latch somewhere, swallow and repeat. You lose little stam

[radiant nest]

I only get below 60% stam on ptera if Im trying to waste it or running/swimming

[past pilot]

thats what im saying like isnt ptera a look around type creature

getting to a good altitude takes so much stam

[queen ember]

But you are immortal in the air. Nothing can kill you. So if you wanna fly to the heavens yeah use a bunch of stam

Otherwise don’t fly very high. It’s not like anyone is gonna kill you

[radiant nest]

I always fly low, it’s more fun

Unless I’m traveling

[queen ember]

Most pteras sprint to the heavens then realize they are out of stam

When they can just…:not do that

[radiant nest]

I helped someone learn how to fly properly the other day

[soft gorge]

On one of the North America servers I got spawned into a cave system or under a hill as a deinoscohus and can’t get out unless I die of starvation or dehydration.

[radiant nest]

That happens sometimes yeah…

[soft gorge]

That sucks

[full pewter]

@boreal vessel yellow is still over half your health, do you mean orange? Also tenos are meant to hit hard, and in general be hard to take down, essentially all herbivores are in their own way

[boreal vessel]

No, 1 tail swipe, and 1 single kick dropped me from full HP to yellow with a severe bleed.

I am not trying to take anything away from tenos.

It’s the fact that carnotaurus is 13’ tall, 30’ long and 2 metric tons.

A teno is 6.5 ‘ tall 23’ long, and they are not nearly the true mass and size of a meat eating bull.

YES- a teno should be heavy, thick, and powerful.

NO- a teno should not and would not be able to stop a 2 metric ton massive beast at 51KM/H ramming it… the tail swipe if anything should be looked at.

Like if my ram meets your tail swipe, I feel like the apex carnivore should win it… we already have a bite timer, horrible diet, bad bleed regeneration rate

If I can ram through a 2-2.5 ton deinosuchus, than I can surely ram through a smaller herbivore than myself…

[full pewter]

Teno is only 200kg lighter than carno

[boreal vessel]

I can easily ram a 1.5 ton* - 2.5 ton deinosuchus… there’s just weird… what u wanna call it’s in the game… things that seem to overlap

[full pewter]

I don’t think it’s that ridiculous for teno to wallop a carno

[normal lotus]

May I mention that tenontosaurus is really not supposed to be hunted by solo carno. Teno is a brawler that is REALLY scary to fight. It's best to either play VERY carefully. Or get some more carno to kill it.

[full pewter]

You’re not really supposed to fight them in 1v1, pack mates can help distract and create openings

[boreal vessel]

So you’re saying that a Carno would hold its own against the heavier, bigger T. rex? How can we compare it like logically…

I didn’t die. I am a smart carno player.

But yes a 1v1 should be much closer. As it used to be.

[full pewter]

Cerato is arguably better in a 1v1 imo

[normal lotus]

No I am not.

[jovial hazel]

You're trying to bring some kind of realistic logic to the carno charge vs teno, when the charge is the most unrealistic thing in the whole scenario. It's gameplay balance, not realism in the end.

[boreal vessel]

I absolutely obliterate the majority of ceras I come across…

[normal lotus]

Which is bad. Because ceratosaurus is supposed to be strong.

[limber hull]

Different animals have different matchups, god forbid

[boreal vessel]

The Carno is more massive, faster, than a cera. Just as the T. rex is more massive, and faster than them.

[full pewter]

I do think it should be a lil tankier

[limber hull]

t rex is faster than carno?

goodness

[normal lotus]

Ok ok. let me explain.

[full pewter]

Good gravy I hope rex isn’t lol

[boreal vessel]

I just think the (1) true attack from carno should not be nerfed.

When 2 tons of mass rams you at max speed, it’s ridiculous that 1 tail swipe can end it.

I believe they say if the Rex wants to catch you? It most likely will.!

[limber hull]

unless you escape the ambush in which case lol

i doubt rex has the speed or endurance to keep up with the smaller creatures

[boreal vessel]

Well who knows the truth!!!

[normal lotus]

Carnotaurus is a small game pursuit hunter. Things around carno size are not going to be so easy for carno to hunt. You need to use your brain. Since they can punish you for not taking them seriously.

[full pewter]

He seems to over exaggerate things sometimes

[boreal vessel]

I’m not saying it should be easy brother … sister… respectfully

I’m saying

[limber hull]

getting suspiciously close to eating grass and dying territory

[normal lotus]

Lemme cook.

[boreal vessel]

A carnotaurus is so limited , diet, weak legs, bleed regen, it’s weird at times.

I feel that the (1) true skill / attack a carno has should not be nerfed so bad. Just 2-3 updates ago 1v1ing a teno was pretty balanced if you ask me. Now it seems almost impossible. Due to my bite cool down, lack of ram doing anything at all.

I’m not sure how they’ll balance it all in the future but that’s how I feel. No worries lol

[full pewter]

Carno has been a whole new Dino every update the past few years it’s felt, I doubt it won’t change

[boreal vessel]

Yeah I feel it.

[normal lotus]

It's alright, just remember that carno really isn't made to hunt something that big. Things like...1 ton and smaller would be preferable. You could theoretically go after a teno. Just be mindful you are not an all powerful force.

And that teno is made to fight around its weight class, and is really good at fighting 1v1.

[full pewter]

Regardless I feel it’s turn radius makes it very hard to hunt small game

Like it should still be bad but not this bad imo

[boreal vessel]

Well that’s what I’m saying.. personally I do not fight tenos especially a pack. That’s just something you learn over time 😂😂😂.

But damn, the 1 time it’s a fair 1v1 and you just get mopped by something half your height, slightly less mass than you, and they haven’t but a scratch on them.

Seems like Carno should just be removed 😂😂😂

Thank you for your time gentleman and ladies!

[normal lotus]

If I may say, teno is supposed to be as I said a brawler. Pack hunters are REALLY good against it. So I suggest trying to be a pair when fighting a teno. Also be wary when diablo comes out. It gonna be even better at fighting 1v1 than teno is.

[full pewter]

Hope Diablo doesn’t hit as hard tho

[normal lotus]

if the alt attack from the dilo diablo fight still stands...alt attacks would be 350 on a bodyshot.

[full pewter]

Ouch… I just think teno should be the hard hitter. Diablo has a spar that can essentially check attacks, it’s smaller, but also faster, these are my ideas at least

It should also have charge like carno

[normal lotus]

Diablo seems to be a very hard hitter. Smaller, but also very tubby and slow.

[full pewter]

Idk it’s got small horns for its size, doesn’t make much sense imo, still hurt but not that hard

[normal lotus]

I mean we see in diablo concept art it GORING a carno in the neck

I imagine diablo to be threatened by packs when solo.

But is a god in a 1v1. At least in its size range.

[full pewter]

Yea yea I remember, it’s also shown being competent at stopping Albertos, who are more than twice their size, idk doesn’t make sense imo

[normal lotus]

If I were to explain the reasoning. Their guard would negate a lot of damage right?

[full pewter]

Perhaps, but personally I think they should be running from Alberto’s, partially why I think diablos should be the fastest ceratopsian

[normal lotus]

Considering how tightly held their alt attacks can be. There's little friendly fire when GORING the Alberto in front of you.

[full pewter]

Styracos however….

[normal lotus]

Styraco imo should be the fastest.

It got LONG legs.

[full pewter]

Styraco is bigger and has huge horns, like I can see it inflicting severe wounds like theri, Diablo is otherwise a pretty generic ceratopsian

[normal lotus]

Diablo alone is solid for 1.5 tonnes, can negate a good amount of damage. And dish out a lot if you rush in willy nilly.

[full pewter]

It doesn’t even have a nose horn

[normal lotus]

But anyway, as I was saying.

[full pewter]

Styracos legs are hardly different relative to its size than any ceratopsian

[normal lotus]

I guess.

[full pewter]

I think Styraco is better being like a porcupine ceratopsian, and it can deal severe wounds if you’re not careful, Diablo is more an all rounder but really excels at speed (for a ceratopsian)

[normal lotus]

To me I don't really find that makes sense

Styraco is more slender than diablo. There's a reason we all Dibble the potato.

[full pewter]

How do you think Diablo should stand out?

[normal lotus]

It's REALLY good at punching up when in groups.

And overall is an amazing all rounder for its size

[full pewter]

In what way is this different than other ceratopsians? I can’t see any of them not being amazing in groups

Also assuming this is the model for Styraco I don’t see much a difference in their body/legs

[normal lotus]

Here's my two cents in terms of the ceratopsids. Not including ava and diablo:

Styracosaurus: the most mobile of the ceratopsids, it's spar is much more agile and lethal compared to the rest.

Pachyrhinosaurus: a very beefy boi that while slow, can deal devastating damage with its nose boss.

Triceratops: the largest ceratopsid with an attitude to match.

[normal lotus]

Diablo is the best at punching up tho. Considering diablo in group can defend against something like alberto

[full pewter]

Here’s my two cents, taken from a previous post of mine

Protoceratops: burrower, very strong bite for its size, spar activated in a burrow can prevent entry to other small tiers that can enter (even Avas)

Avaceratops (Furcatoceratops): burrow raider, egg eater (omnivorus), most agile ceratopsian since it has to contend with other agile small tiers like Omni (essentially built to fight other small tiers)

Diabloceratops: mostly all rounder, but could be the fastest ceratopsian

Styracosaurus: great inflictor of wounds and bleed like Theri, wounds that immobilize attackers, new head shake attack that can hit opponents from the side

Pachyrhinosaurus: bone breaker, plain and simple, also fairly Tanky

Triceratops: pure power, cause apex, also could use deep wounds (see Styraco)

[normal lotus]

I like it, tho I always kinda see diablo as the slow boi. We don't call it the potato for nothing.

[full pewter]

Let’s be honest all these ceratopsians are potato’s, also cmon fast potato’s would be kinda funny

Juvis should still be slow tho

[normal lotus]

Not wrong, but also the "charging rhino" thing is also something I was thinking about styraco.

[full pewter]

I think all ceratopsians should be able to charge

Sure Styraco fits it better but it’s not like it doesn’t fit on Diablo

@turbid hinge definitely should have species specific keybinds, I have different keybinds i use for teno that are useless for everything else, frustrating to change every time

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, that would be huge.

[turbid hinge]

same. different dino keybinds would be amazing. like OW2

[tight iron]

i wanted to point out that you as a 1.8 ton creature are ramming while being hit with unholy amounts of strength with a tail that's at least 600kg, surprised you don't die

[full pewter]

Here’s a question for yall, how should armor work on Anky/Minmi?

[normal lotus]

Itd probably be like how locational damage is for stego plates but instead the hitbox is the back and stuff.

[urban flax]

Flat damage reduction
So attacks with low damage deal 0 damage

[tight iron]

as bubu said, just damage reduction

stuff like a raptor would do zero damage whatsoever in the protected places

[full pewter]

Would yall say an anky should take no damage when crouched?

[urban flax]

Depends on the attacker

A rex bite would still deal some damage

[full pewter]

Sure, I can see a Rexes crunch ability canceling it, or spinos flipping over them

[urban flax]

Um, no flipping an anky that's hunkering down
And I don't mean counter it either
Like a rex bite would deal... idk 200 damage ? Just because it exceeds the damage reduction

[tight iron]

yes

certain dinos should not be able to do anything against it

for example a raptor should not be able to do anything and nor should a carno

however a rex should be able to do something

[full pewter]

My only possible issue is what’s stopping the anky from camping, then again that could just be expected for it and only certain Dino’s can truly counter it

[tight iron]

honestly it's the only way to defend itself

anky is by nature a camper

[full pewter]

Yea like I’m honestly ok with that if I let it, I just know for certain that other would complain about it lol

[tight iron]

well it's an armored dino, i don't get what they would want

very few dinos should be able to harm it

[full pewter]

“Nooo why is apex literally unstoppable?”

[tight iron]

LOL

quite literally

[full pewter]

I love hearing people complain about deino being this unstoppable force that just takes your bodies, yet I never hear them say this about Rex which will no doubt do the same thing but better

[tight iron]

yep

most people make no sense

[normal lotus]

Imagine a rex but can actually run, and effectively take down a stego

[full pewter]

Definitely better than deino can now but I still hope Rex can’t facetank stegos

[normal lotus]

I think rexes probably could, but you'd be at best medium orange health.

[full pewter]

Stegos can’t run from Rexes, frankly I don’t want Rexes to be able to, then all it’d take is a Rex to be at full health

Then Bye bye stego

[urban flax]

just herd up duh

[normal lotus]

As I said, at BEST you'd be at orange health.

[full pewter]

Rex or stego?

[normal lotus]

Rex

[full pewter]

Rex still lives, which defeats the point

[normal lotus]

Best case scenario you are at orange health. I'd imagine most of the time if you tried to facetank you'd either be dead or at deaths door.

[full pewter]

Yea only incompetent players are always at deaths door, all it takes for a rex is to just be good

At not draining any of your health

I stand by my point, Rexes shouldnt facetank stegos

[normal lotus]

Dawg what im saying is in the BEST CASE. As in the BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. You're coming out less than half health.

[full pewter]

Assuming the stego is only landing tail shots then yea I’d say orange, but facetanking usually means both parties are landing head/body shots

[normal lotus]

In a facetank scenario rex is going to die.

[full pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yes-dinosaur-velociraptor-gif-14287648

Agreement🤝, sry for any misunderstanding

[boreal vessel]

Yes you just said it… my whole mass, just under 2 metric tons, ramming something at 55KM/H less than half of my size, 200KG lighter, is getting stopped by its muscular 600KG tail???

Do the maths bruhv! It doesn’t add up

The teno is 6’3” if I ram it head on its neck should be snapped. Instead, it’s able to completely road block something much bigger than it.

[brave trout]

You're completely right, I agree

[limber hull]

if we're talking realism, carnotaurus using its neck as a battering ram against a tenonto would absolutely break its neck, so that's a rocky route to go down lol

carnotaurus irl did not nearly have a strong enough neck to withstand moving at 55km/hr and using it as a battering ram

[boreal vessel]

I said head on, which, hitting a structure way smaller than it, and a little lighter, it probably would have had a true impact lol. Compare the tenos head to a carnos upper body…

All I’m saying is fix Carno ram, maybe take away our bite cool down… like try to find balance… more balance… because to get hit literally 2 maybe 3 or so times by a teno and to have yellow health is wild to me. Maybe carnos are just weak!

To not knock over tenos with our ram is not fair.

[limber hull]

you still can

[boreal vessel]

I’ve yet to knock down a teno at this point. I like to think of myself as a careful and very skilled carno player although I have my days. 0-3 against tenos at this point and I just feel like it was balanced a few updates ago as opposed to now… perhaps I am wrong. I do not know. I just know that our ram IGN is our true key tool, so without that we kinda don’t have much.

[normal lotus]

I mean...solo carno really ain't made for a teno.

It made for things like galli, omniraptor, and others

[still latch]

Still no update huh

[full pewter]

Question for yall, Austro vs Omni matchup, what happens?

[midnight heath]

Omni wins for sure

[limber hull]

omni wins

[midnight heath]

Austro was just a little fella in Legacy, I feel like it'll have the water to escape too or overall just better agility to make up for it being physically weaker.

[full pewter]

Yea im thinking same, like there’s this image but honestly what’s it gonna do?

[barren crater]

Man Omni is lame lol

pin and win vs anything smaller. 0 skill involved

[limber hull]

lol

[barren crater]

If pin wasn’t a thing then it would probably be a fun matchup

[limber hull]

who knows maybe austro will have the autokick lol

[barren crater]

I hope so. Imo pinning one from the front should pretty much mean austro wins

[wintry whale]

@barren jewel I feel like your idea is a planned mutation, but I'm not entirely sure

[barren jewel]

which one?

[wintry whale]

Gaining water when it's raining, iirc, it's a planned mutation, though I could be wrong

[midnight heath]

Austros gotta look spooky, little guy is trying his best to startle that omni.

[jovial hazel]

Official servers have replay..

F2

@junior kite

[limber hull]

no they don't?

[desert arch]

They do, but theres a cooldown before you can wiew it

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, I've been using it for a bit now.

[limber hull]

huh

[jovial hazel]

Like 21 minutes delay to view it

[junior kite]

when did they impliment that? Does it allow you to get the person steam id when caught hacking?

[jovial hazel]

Yeah

[boreal vessel]

Well that may be the case now.. but again, we are the bigger, faster, and just stronger species.

I find the battles with the tenos that I have encountered rather eventful and fun! But it is a shame to me, to see such a beast get walked by something really not in comparison to it.

So with that being said, disregarding the carno bite cool down, and allowing our ram to actually stun / knock over creatures that weigh less than us would be nice to see.

[normal lotus]

If I were explain, let's say a large smilodon is chasing a horse. It's just about to tackle it down when BAM, it gets kicked in the face by the horse, all the interia built up not only from the chase, but also the kick, Is sent right into the face of the smilodon, due to how physics works, this causes the weight of the smilodon to push it back, since the force would be equal to not only the smilodon itself, but the kick multiplied on it.

This is similar to what tenontosaurus is doing. It's slamming its tail, the majority of its weight. Directly onto the charging Carnivore. Meaning all that acceleration, is going in a downward direction because of the force of a 600kg tail slamming directly into the carno.

Which is why carno's charge is countered by teno's tail slam.

Tenontosaurus despite its small size is STRONG. And can put up a really good fight as it's MADE to do so. Carno may be larger sure, doesn't mean it's stronger

[boreal vessel]

Well said! I know theres some ways to benefit the Carno without really taking anything away from anything else... Thats basically what Im trying to figure out and say lol.

Again, fighting a Teno 1v1 is somewhat of a thrill. Truly can be dangerous. Thats what I felt like a few updates ago when I could actually still beat a Teno 1v1. Now it is evidently super unlikely.

Just voicing my opinion I am not trying to be Mr.RightAboutMyOpinion.

Very nice analogy!

[normal lotus]

It's aight, thanks for the tidbit. Tbh I would like if carno took less than 5 seconds of charge to actually knock them down. Or at least lower the stamina drain while charging to compensate. Though one thing I am interested about is carno and diablo relationship. Which is pretty summarized as "You gotta ambush me, or you won't win."

[normal lotus]

Which works for diablo. Despite it only being 1.5 tonnes it can use its stout body while in sparring to counter a carno charge.

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

Why are people saying ❌ for a dilo nerf?

Person could have been transparent ig

[tight iron]

that's a pretty good idea

it should get a very heavy nerf

[normal lotus]

I'd rather have a slight nerf. Not enough to cripple dilo into not even be able to survive. But enough to where it gotta take risks when hunting things

[tight iron]

well a slight nerf wouldn't make it then

if you want it to take risks when hunting things it would warrant a medium-big nerf

i mean right now it's just go in use an ultra op ability and if it fails run away with insane speed

so we could either nerf the ultra op ability by a significant amount to make it more "balanced" or nerf its speed by a significant amount, or, well, both

[torpid cloak]

Honestly it needs a slight nerf but then they need it to not be able to be completely bypassed by standing on some uneaven terrain or water

[normal lotus]

Slightly lower the speed (by like 1-2kph maybe). Lower the damage of hallucinations, fix them so attacking them doesn't result in a trade, and make it so the hallucinations recharge based on how many bites you deal them, rather than just waiting.

[tight iron]

that would be a good nerf

i would call that a medium nerf

[normal lotus]

It's more a readjustment

[tight iron]

same thing

[torpid cloak]

The lower bite speed and maaaaybe a bit less damage per bite would be a good adjustment since it's pretty easy to counter dilo if you are in favorable terrain

Like.... reaaaally easy. Stand in some ankle high water and you're safe from hallucinations or uneven ground and you can fight the dilo easier

[barren zephyr]

Heavy nerf isn’t ideal, I think the feedback post I made awhile ago would be sufficient

[tight iron]

that was a very minor nerf

what a very heavy nerf is in my opinion is making one of these impossible:

• dilo can go in and obliterate everyone
• if it doesn't obliterate everyone, it can safely get out of the fight

what i believe to be a medium nerf would be to make it unlikely

for example, reducing its speed to be .2-.3 km/h faster than pachy (pachy needs a solid population control which, right now, is dilo)

that way, it can hunt ceras and pachies but without being able to catch up to raptors or anything of the sort

[barren zephyr]

I don’t think that would be minor, it would actually be pretty impactful

[tight iron]

about its stamina, it still would catch up to anything which is the problem, and it has practically infinite stamina rn so it wouldn't change a thing
about venom damage, i agree, however the main issue is the fact that dilos can spam clones, so unless it was reduced by like 60-80% it wouldn't do much
making dilo slower during day and not night is a meh idea in my opinion, sure it's the sleep paralysis demon during night but it'd just still be horribly op during night and during day just op, it doesn't need to be the most op thing in existence to be a nightmare
about hallucinations being recharged with bites, that would be pretty impactful yes
about bite force/bite speed, yes that would be nice

so in reality only hallucinations being recharged with bites would be impactful, however with how horribly op it is right now it needs more than that

[tight iron]

@tawdry swallow they actually are fixing dat

[fallow marten]

@molten lily That is a thing in game. But at the moment it for some reason doesn't turn off group tags. It's frustrating. The keybind is f10 if I remember correctly

[tight iron]

yep it's f10

[barren zephyr]

That’s like the point of Dilo its a night threat, why would you want to weaken it even more if it’s already proposed to have some vulnerability

[bold mason]

@undone iris just a tip, when you spawn at water access you ALWAYS spawn south of the pond... i found that if i spawn in and just run straight north (where the tip points up on scent line) you will always end up at the pond before you run out of water... hope that helps

[tight iron]

a night threat shouldn't break all kinds of balance and be impossible to deal with tho

[limber hull]

oh my god you want it to get murdered lol

[barren zephyr]

ok but its still going to get nerfed, it doesn't need to be so heavily nerfed because you struggle to deal with it

[tight iron]

at night you can't even see dilos so by itself it's impossible to deal with it

[tight iron]

i want it to not go around being invincible

[limber hull]

well good job on that, you made it the COMPLETE opposite lol

it gets DESTROYED by carnos, omnis, pachies with such a change

[tight iron]

it's gotta have some big downside for its already insane capabilities

[limber hull]

its speed should not be it

[barren zephyr]

I don't get why you want dilo to be nerfed that bad

[limber hull]

my only guess is they play a lot of omni

[tight iron]

not if you make it just a lil faster than pachies

[limber hull]

that's far too slow

for an animal such as dilo, absolutely too slow

[tight iron]

because it's just going around murdering everything

it's not cool to see a cera pack be obliterated by something they can't even see

i don't know who balanced dilo but boi he surely is a dilo main

[barren zephyr]

Idk about that I've been killing dilo packs with my teno lately, not saying it shouldn't get a nerf but the idea of placing a vigorous nerf on dilo doesn't make sense

[tight iron]

massive skill issue dilos then

[limber hull]

and dilo already has limited mobility with its turn rate

[tight iron]

stat wise it is mentally insane compared to anything else

[barren zephyr]

If dilo was to be changed to your standards it'd practically be unplayable

[limber hull]

^

i dont even play dilo but goddamn

[tight iron]

my standards have changed

i realized that making dilo as slow as a cera is absolute crap

dilo is an amazing pachy population control and vice versa

imo all dinos should have a pop control and be the pop control of something

thing is...

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah dilo isn't invincible lots of things can control a dilo population

[tight iron]

dilo is the pop control of everything

[limber hull]

troodon is actually unironically quite good at dilo killing lol

[tight iron]

at least when they're not fg big bois such as carno

[limber hull]

because of how tiny the hitbox is on dilo's bite and how slow its turnrate is

[tight iron]

dilo vs carno mehhhh dilo isn't really amazing at it

[limber hull]

carno also is VERY good at dilo hunting, especially at day

[tight iron]

so carno is a good dilo pop control

the other day as a troodon i killed a 60-70% dilo with 4 pounces 💀

so troodon also works as one

ofc raptors murking everything outside of a pack as usual can work wonders against a solo dilo but still gotta be pretty cautious

my main issue with dilo is the fact that while being strong it can get out of any fight if it goes bad

you could argue that carno also does that but its ability is practically nullified so

with all of its capabilities it's gotta have some bad downside

[barren zephyr]

your prior points just sounded like "let me degrade a playable to an extent it can do anything but continually suffer" over "Lets devise way's to balance a playable within an ecosystem so it isn't too oppresive"

[tight iron]

i don't see how

[barren zephyr]

Wdym

[tight iron]

i just don't see how im degrading dilo to a horrible point by making it slower than it currently is

[barren zephyr]

You want it to be pachy's speed for what reason?

[limber hull]

^

[tight iron]

a bit above it

[limber hull]

still FAR too slow

[tight iron]

so that you actually get a chance to run away from the sleep paralysis demon

[limber hull]

like that's insanely slow given its already poor agility and fragility

and the inability to jump (something pachy can do)

[tight iron]

still faster than most dinos

[limber hull]

not the ones that matter to dilo

[tight iron]

... and can blind and remotely kill you

[limber hull]

nerfing dilo's speed is not the way to go imho

[tight iron]

ain't the ones that matter to dilo pachy and similar? those are the easiest to hunt for it anyways

[limber hull]

having it only recharge off bites is good, for instance, since it does effectively the same thing, without destroying its base survivability outside a fight

[tight iron]

yea recharging the hallucinations via bites is a pretty good idea

[limber hull]

a nerf like your speed nerf would immediately destroy its viability, which is no good

[tight iron]

i just personally have an issue with the fact that it can go 900mph towards you blind you and use clones to do its job all while you can't do crap

practically nothing can run away from it aside raptors

hunts shouldn't work like that

you should never be able to get to someone at top speed and spam a clone

the way i view it more balanced is if the prey can actually get away

either get the ambush right or go find another person to kill

not just pop outta nowhere and run it down blind it and spam clones to kill it

carno deals lots of damage and is fast as heck but turns like a boat, raptor is a nimble annoying thing that bleeds you out and can jump, it's extremely fragile to compensate, cera is a bully but is slow as heck to compensate as well while dilo is practically invis during night faster than almost anything else blinds you remotely kills you with no effort and its only downside is a meh turn radius

[barren zephyr]

Something tells me you play omni a lot

[tight iron]

like cmon we need to do better

ive said it many times, i play raptor the most

i also play troodon, cera, deino, never carno tho only in pvp practice

and occasionally teno

i don't see why dilo should be babysitted like this, cmon work for your food not just bite the head and spam clones

[barren zephyr]

Well I’m going to repeat this again, no one denied dilo shouldn’t get a nerf, I just don’t agree with the nerfs you’re suggesting

[tight iron]

im perfectly aware, im not here to convince you and never have i stated that you guys don't want a dilo nerf

im just tryna show yall how ridiculous dilo is rn and why a small nerf ain't it

[limber hull]

that's bad balance

a small nerf can make a massive difference

overnerfing is a legit problem with game balance

a small nerf could make all the difference

[barren zephyr]

^

[limber hull]

and is the best way to go about dilo, because it's in a very delicate position

you nerf something like speed? Especially to the extent you've stated? I honestly see dilo just getting mass-murdered

[tight iron]

ain't packs there for a reason?

[limber hull]

oh god no

hitting me with the "pack up" statement is so funny

[tight iron]

dilo shouldn't dominate the lands like a king

[limber hull]

it shouldn't also be murdered by the first raptor that sees it

[tight iron]

if you fear to be mass murdered by 3 carnos, get in a pack

how on earth is a dilo gonna die to a raptor tho

that's genuinely impossible

[limber hull]

if it's around the same speed as a pachy? very easily

[tight iron]

don't see what's wrong with this, if you wanna go solo do it but if 3 ceras arrive don't complain

dilo ain't in need of being the lord of the lands

[limber hull]

sure but that's not a valid argument for making it the land's meekest creature

[tight iron]

it can't be that with what it has

[limber hull]

if it has the speed you want, it's very bad

why even go after the speed?

why not go after the actual problems you have, with clonespam being so viable

dilo needs that speed to escape threats. It's the one thing that dilo can use to get away

[tight iron]

the actual problem is it catching up to everything

[limber hull]

that's not really a problem

if you make it that it can't insantly destroy that which it catches up to, it shouldn't be an issue

raptor can catch up to nearly everything too

[tight iron]

raptor can't blind and remotely kill you

raptor can't tank a few cera hits

raptor needs that speed

[limber hull]

so does dilo

[tight iron]

not charge bites to the head

[limber hull]

dilo can't jump, it can't turn well and it has basically no defensive stats or attacks. It needs that speed

[tight iron]

tje only faster dino is carno, dilo can absolutely avoid carno

carno turns like a boat anyways

[unique gyro]

dilo only needs to hit a carno like twice and it cant be tracked

its kinda busted right now ngl

[tight iron]

it's not even about biting it and running away it's about just running away

[true swan]

yeah i agree

[tight iron]

you can just speed off and turn to troll the carno

and that once again is the only faster relevant dino

[barren zephyr]

#balance-feedback message personally any more than this feels excessive for dilo

[tight iron]

you cant be equipped to be the best fighter and one of the best runners

[barren zephyr]

So increase the cost of stamina when sprinting instead of lowering its speed

That tackles the situation

[tight iron]

the issue is catching up not running outta stam

[limber hull]

why is it an issue

[tight iron]

why is it not an issue

can't win all fights

ah yes let me go after this (insert thing here) and if i can't blind and remotely kill it imma catch up in 1 second and keep going

[undone iris]

Thanks for the tip. I appreciate it. Still think you shouldnt have to search that hard for water. But will def keep in mind next time, thanks! 🙂

[limber hull]

no, seriously, why is it catching up such an issue? It's not a big deal if it can catch up to things. The issue more surrounds the fact that it can murk said thing easily after it's caught them

[tight iron]

ive said it wrong, mb

[true swan]

dude its a big stinker of a dino rn

[tight iron]

catch up way too quick

and catch up to everything

[unique gyro]

put mug hag on the dev team he can replace the wheel they use to make decisions

[limber hull]

sure, but don't nerf the speed

[true swan]

no they should

[limber hull]

it has terrible turning, it just needs to be less powerful at murdering something with clones

[true swan]

no its to quick dude

[tight iron]

^^

[limber hull]

it needs that speed to escape things like raptor packs

it shouldn't be helpless in that situation

[true swan]

yes it should

[tight iron]

no it actually should

[limber hull]

that's literally garbage game design

[unique gyro]

they should make it faster so it can escape carno packs

[tight iron]

no that's your average ecosystem

[limber hull]

like, unironically, making something helpless is garbage game design

[true swan]

no its good game design

[limber hull]

average ecosystem does not equal fun game

[tight iron]

you cant win all fights and get away from all risks

[latent olive]

see 3 omniraptors while playing dilo

just logout because im dead anyway

oop hes gone

[tight iron]

you're right here

[latent olive]

did that guy leave or get banned lmao

[limber hull]

who?

[latent olive]

mughag

[tight iron]

however you can't ruin the fun for everyone just for a single one

[latent olive]

he posted like, a total of 6 or 7 messages and then left

[limber hull]

wonderful

[unique gyro]

he had a point though

[limber hull]

again, NERF THE DILO IN LITERALLY ANY OTHER WAY

it doesn't HAVE to be speed

[tight iron]

cera should be helpless against 2 carnos ngl

[limber hull]

it isn't

[tight iron]

in certain scenarios you can get away but it's luck

[limber hull]

it has an excellent swim speed and turn rate, as well as body buffs. That's more than what dilo would get against raptos

Raptor is the reason dilo has its speed

[tight iron]

just like me barely getting away from 3 carnos

i should have died if i wasn't near a high place

[tight iron]

yea but you're not gonna go in water to hunt

you're not always gonna be near water

[latent olive]

youre gonna go in water to escape carnos

[tight iron]

and you don't need to have a way to escape everything

in some situations you gotta face certain death

teno should die to 3 ceras but dilo not die to 7 raptors

that whine being able to solo most of the roster

[limber hull]

this is literally terrible game design

[tight iron]

at least the current one

[limber hull]

it's why stego and rex are so controversial

[tight iron]

no it is reality

[limber hull]

the isle ain't reality

[tight iron]

at some point something has to say "it's over"

[barren zephyr]

Don’t work like that in game

[tight iron]

not saying reality as in real life

not everything needs a way to defend itself from something

a teno can't fight 7 raptors

[barren zephyr]

A good teno can

[tight iron]

it can't get away

a stego can't either

[latent olive]

teno uses water

[barren zephyr]

If the stego and teno know what they are doing they can wipe a raptor pack

[tight iron]

nobody can if the raptor pack has 2 braincells

raptors gotta suck balls tho

[limber hull]

raptor has options for every engagement though

[tight iron]

like actually be terrible

[limber hull]

it can escape every threat

[tight iron]

yea it can escape all threats using speed because it's its only way out

[gray pike]

I wish I could say anything but I haven't gotten into a lot of scraps with my dilos cause I can't find people lol

[tight iron]

it also needs speed to hunt

a slow as heck raptor can't do anything

[latent olive]

what about dilo then

[tight iron]

dilo doesn't rely on speed to kill

[barren zephyr]

They want a speed nerf for dilo when it isn’t necessary

[tight iron]

it relies on clones

[limber hull]

it relies on speed to escape

[latent olive]

it relies on speed to get in, attack, and escape

[limber hull]

so once again, the speed is not the problem

its the power of the venom itself

[tight iron]

it is getting pretty late for me

[latent olive]

with a slow movement speed you can react to it faster in combat and literally beat the mfer to death

[tight iron]

i don't wanna argue a practically lost cause over eeping

so imma go eep, cya

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-peace-out-deuces-sprint-desert-gif-20881817

[limber hull]

especially with its agility

[barren crater]

Isn't that going to happen regardless tho? Like 3 gigas spot a rex. It probably just dies

[limber hull]

i honestly think the issue escalates the bigger the creature gets lol

because at that point, it's less about your unique ways of survival, and more different flavours of killing

[barren crater]

Yeah but it's going to happen is the thing, which sucks but? Like next patch pachy probably dies to 2 omnis

[limber hull]

you reckon?

[barren crater]

Pounce rear > can't run

[limber hull]

ah yea

pachy at least can use surfaces, water and its attacks to try and deal with em, but who knows

[barren crater]

But with dilo / omni. I think their interaction should depend on time of day. I think that will make it fun instead of stay up on rock when dilo pack exists at all times

[limber hull]

yup

i'd rather scale their venom more with the time, rather than their raw speed

i just think it's weird for daylight shining on your legs to cripple them slightly

[barren crater]

Fair but we're also getting into the territory where your speed is increased depending on the time of day (which should be scrapped lol)

but that could work, yeah

Especially with the ability to pounce the rear, omni packs will do well vs dilo, so reduced venom will be nice

[limber hull]

hell, if you REALLY wanted to nerf dilo, make stage 3 outright impossible without nighttime.

and honestly that's it

that'd be a nerf which allows it to escape while focusing it on night

[olive hollow]

how tf am I supposed to get my diets as a PT baby when I can't kill a frog until i'm at least juvie

and dactyls kill me in three hits

I'm pretty much having to eat fish but not too many to keep my carbs full but leave room for protein and fats

then wait till im bigger to get a frog and dactyls...

[barren crater]

They're adding insects and small ai like rats

[olive hollow]

it really sucks when I'm trying to salve my depression with some passive enjoyment to have to struggle to just get diets...

I'm hoping that fixes it

[barren crater]

Anything to nerf them at day. I want Dilo to be scary at night and more skittish at day

[olive hollow]

but idk, I still don't see turtles or crabs anymore...

[limber hull]

turtles and crabs are weird

[limber hull]

honestly it's my biggest problem with them, is how goddamn annoying they are at all hours. They lose the night terror element when they don't care about the day

one thing i did like about legacy was dilo was vulnerable enough at day that they basically never called, then became SUPER active the moment it got dark

[barren crater]

Yeah. I want that back lol

[limber hull]

they've become too confident imho

[barren crater]

Let them be very scary at night idc. 2 dilos dropping a Carno? L. But at day? Don't make a sound

[limber hull]

legit just keep em as-is and remove stage 3 when it's day

[barren crater]

Another problem is how mid Carno is, so they have 0 competent predators

[limber hull]

oh yea, carno should be their worst fear

but it ain't, because currently our larger land preds are not great

i rarely see carnos anymore tbh

[barren crater]

diets are terrible and growing it isn't worth it pretty much

[limber hull]

putting dilo on the diet would be a massive improvement

[barren crater]

I'd consider myself a Carno main (I play everything but carno is pretty cool) and I've played it a few times since dilo release

Its just so... boring?

[limber hull]

ya, I'd blame the lackluster ability and general difficulty of survival

charge should not be how it is with the stam system

[barren crater]

Yeah pretty much. "Frustrating" is the best word to describe the Carno experience

[limber hull]

agreed. I would love a far more neutral charge with less power, but far less penalties

my issue is the fact charge balancing has been slapping on new restrictions each update lol

[barren crater]

yeah lmao

Stamina cost must be high, there needs to be a cooldown, it must be loud, you need a long run up to knock things over and finally it needs a 10% activation cost

[limber hull]

and you need to hold it

ah there we go

almost forgot one :P

i like it being loud and having a cooldown

not so much everything else

honestly, it baffles me that deino doesn't have a cooldown

[latent olive]

[barren crater]

I'M NOT LYING!

[latent olive]

[barren crater]

Unironically needs one lol

Like deino can lunge, let go - bite and lunge again

Like no

unfun to deal with ngl

[rough wind]

I think new giga model just needs more meat on the head and maybe the legs

Its also gonna look different because of lighting and skin textures

[livid rover]

@maiden anvil alr lets talk abt acro

One thing i would like of acro like with littel creatures to shake it like how a gator does to its preys

Or something similar

[maiden anvil]

It’s a cool idea but then it’s the same as before. It’s nothing unique for acro when any other carnivore is capable of the same

[livid rover]

Yeah u right

Then what u think

Like what ability do u think the acro is good with

[maiden anvil]

Like I said, throwing its weight around due to a robust build would be cool

[livid rover]

Like throwing hands with apexes

Like sauropods neck that they throw?

Something similar?

[maiden anvil]

More of a body ram is what I have in mind

[livid rover]

Mhhhh idk

[maiden anvil]

What would you like?

[livid rover]

Thats the problem idk

Your idea? Phenomenal but i think that it can be used by other apex like rex

But for now your its the most good one

[queen ember]

For anyone confused the mud pit feedback is mostly to prevent people from just sitting in mud pits forever and ruining combat for not only pouncers but things in general

They should really only be used for wallowing

[tight iron]

^^

[frail crane]

i want possibility to play the old evrima map xd

[limber hull]

there's a branch for that

[limber hull]

spiro is horribly unoptimised and increases download time by around 100%, so it's not worth bringing to the current branch. That's why there's a Spiro branch, for the few who like to play on that garbo map lol

[late condor]

Pardon my ignorance to this game but is it just me or do the Carnos need more “Lines” diet options? I think since there’s only 2 that give them that diet then maybe add 1-2 more? Especially since there’s really nobody that plays the 2 Dino’s that are on the carno “lines” diet. Or am I just crazy for thinking this?😂

[copper cradle]

Yea it needs more diet on the lines but you can also eat the organs to get those diets, it doesn't even have to be a Dino that's on any of your diets as long as its not rotten though, for the 2 lines you need to eat the intestines just so you know

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message What is even the point in this, what's the issue of using the environment to your advantage to escape danger? Plus even if you aren't running and just walking through mud like in the swamp, it's basically a death sentence because you'd probably sprint across a large area of mud, then get slowed down too much to be able to escape and just die, and for what? no one can get your body to eat it anyway so it doesn't even help people complaining people "camp" in mud because its the equivalent of just jumping off a cliff or jumping into water so no one can eat you which is arguably MORE toxic then just trying to escape by using the mud to put distance between you and whatever is chasing you

#general-feedback message Galli's biggest weakness is it's acceleration unlike most dinos which just go full speed off the bat, that's about the only chance you'll have to kill it which makes sense. You shouldn't be able to chase down a dino that has the main survival mechanic of running, then why would anyone bother playing it? especially if you decrease the turn radius which is just annoying. the way you should be trying to kill it is by ambush before the Galli starts running which I'd argue makes it more immerse for both Galli and predator as it encourages vigilance, but the egg stealing idea is good

[restive lintel]

I've past the last 2hs trying to get to east plains as a deino and not die of thirsty, when I finally got there, a bigger deino just killed me. It's so frustating cause all the people are in east plains. Also it's frustrating not to find water as a deino cuz it spawned TOO FAR from water. Why they did it? and why now the only spawn of deino is water access?

[desert arch]

@midnight heath You only get dust on you when you sit down. So it is tied to doing a specific action.

[midnight heath]

Why on God's Earth is it when you sit down, you have to sit quite a few times regardless be it for stam, bleed, etc. I'll be sure to edit it though, thank you!

[desert arch]

Np ^^

[full pewter]

Question for yall, how should megas venom work?
I see two possibilities:

• It simply comes across as high bleed infliction, like nothing more complex than that, its bite just deals more bleed than you’d expect. “Venom sounds” could play in the background like with dilo but it’s more cosmetic than anything
• tick damage, I’ve heard there could be tick damage in some what or form in the future, but essentially the bite takes damage over time, scales with weight too so it’s more effective against smaller dinos than big ones

[bold mason]

because if there was another spawn like before there would be a hotspot and all the crocs sitting at ne doing nothing, why do u think thats an issue that u got killed by a bigger croc?

@dry hazel why do you think crocs shouldnt kill and eat other crocs?

[midnight heath]

I genuinely always assumed it'd have hemotoxin venom and bleed things out; granted that might be really rough for things with low resistance but ideally I'd think that'd be what it goes for because of it.

I think tick DMG sounds neat but might not be super interactive like the current dilo situation, (not that deino is very interactive either and it's fine as is) however a slow hunter that can track really well slowly going after it's bleeding and dying prey does sound like it's own niche playstyle for someone out there.

Just like in the concept art, I really didn't think it'd get anything fancy.

[full pewter]

Mechanically speaking I can’t see megas venom functioning as a “venom” mechanic if that makes sense, like just give it high bleed and it basically functions like a hemotoxin would

[midnight heath]

Completely agree

[full pewter]

Ok maybe I got something, perhaps it’s venom makes it harder to start healing your bleed and reduces your blood regen for a time, it’s a thought

[full pewter]

It could also lower the speed of prey to avoid “If I’m going out you’re coming with me” situations, since I doubt mega will be all that fast compared to the rest of the roster

[full pewter]

Now another question, how should ambush work? Like for allo.
I think it’s fine if it was activated through crouches like in legacy, but as long as it is very costly for stam then I’d expect people won’t abuse it as much as back then

[balmy glen]

I agree

Its venom would make it so blood doesnt clot and the blood keeps coming

[balmy glen]

Which could also make mud more helpful since nobody really uses it other than to slow people and kill them

[full pewter]

I think it’s also important that speed reduces the more blood is lost

[balmy glen]

Yea

I could see people playing meg alot

[balmy glen]

It could have better scent maybe? So it can see footsteps and blood easier to track

[balmy glen]

Cause what im imagining is a pretty slow bleeder that keeps its prey on its feet by constantly tracking them so they cant sit down

[full pewter]

Absolutely should have great scent and tracking capabilities

I think it should be all about weakening their prey so they can’t fight back, and eventually bleeding out

I’m kinda ok with a less interactive venom on mega, but dilo should be more

[balmy glen]

Yea

[balmy glen]

It wont be much of a brawler and it will be more of a hit run then wait till it starts running in fear of blood loss

[full pewter]

Definitely against big prey, but it can defend itself against smaller guys better, a tail whip attack can help with that

[balmy glen]

Maybe

But with that much it could be unbalanced

[balmy glen]

Maybe its lmb would be a normal bite to envenom its prey then its rmb would be a heavy bleed attack

With 3 stages non envenomed, slightly envenomed then fully envenomed

With stage 2 it would be harder to heal off a bleed but stage 3 its heavily bleeding and extremely hard to heal a bleed

All speculation though

[full pewter]

I don’t think it needs an all that complicated moveset

Left click: normal bite (high bleed and inflicts venom)

Alt+left click: Omni-directional attack, simply turns and bites in camera direction like deino, also deals high bleed and venom

Right click: tail whip (whips in camera direction)

I think it could also have ambush like allo

Ambush speed just slower than teno

[balmy glen]

Well then allo wouldnt be played as much

With venom ambush and tail attack it would be unbalanced imo

[full pewter]

Allo is bigger and far stronger, plus has a grapple, mega can’t handle anything larger than a carno that well

[balmy glen]

And a carno is one of the biggest things in the game atm

[balmy glen]

Bleed will out do strong a lot

[full pewter]

Yea but carnos have terrible bleed resistance, that combined with megas venom and..

[balmy glen]

Its weakness would be pack animals like omni

[full pewter]

Yea but mega will die before it’s got a shot, allo is 2000 pounds heavier

[balmy glen]

Bc it would be hard to bleed multiple targets

[balmy glen]

Thats assuming its one mega

[full pewter]

It’s also worth noting allo will probably be a bleeder too

[full pewter]

Bleed is still weight dependent

[balmy glen]

We have been thinking about it like a solitary animal but people will def play in packs of megs

[balmy glen]

Ye

Pack of megs would be scary af

[full pewter]

I think what’s important for Megas balance is pressure from larger Dinos. It does have a strong venom, but it’s less effective the bigger the target, they’re also slow and poor on stam usage, and at only just over 1000 pounds they are pathetic against anything Maia size and larger. All of this means that have to keep a low profile

[balmy glen]

Tbh all we can do is hope that we have a impact on what they make meg like

[full pewter]

We shall see, rn I’m looking in extreme depth at all playables and trying to come up with ideas for them, may make a video series on it on my YouTube

[balmy glen]

Whats your yt im bored and i wanna watch smth

[full pewter]

Megas would also be cannibals👆

[balmy glen]

Good

[full pewter]

Same as my username here

[balmy glen]

I love how all the deino players complain how they are cannis and why can we only spawn in one place as if they arent big enough to kill almost anything with rmb

[full pewter]

Tbh they do need more spawns

[balmy glen]

The reason they are cannis is because they were overpopped

[balmy glen]

I would legit quit the game

[full pewter]

If they get more spawns?

[balmy glen]

Probably its

They will be everywhere

[full pewter]

They should at least spawn at the swamp too

[balmy glen]

Like on spiro

[balmy glen]

Thats fine with me

[full pewter]

Spiro was a smaller map

[balmy glen]

Thats true but still

[full pewter]

Waterways were also smaller

No lakes

[balmy glen]

They grow for 8 hours aswell its not like they dont have time to get somewhere

[full pewter]

What? Its not that long is it

More 6 I think

[balmy glen]

Without perfect diet

With perfect diet its around 6

[full pewter]

Ideally that’s what we’re all doing

[balmy glen]

Sill a very long time

[full pewter]

Perfect diet grow time is the only grow time I care about, we all shoot for perfect diet

Idk who isn’t

[balmy glen]

Well yea

Im watching your teno vid rn

[balmy glen]

Yk what they needa fix

[full pewter]

I’m better known for my funny moments vids

[full pewter]

What does?

[balmy glen]

The ankle breaking height

[full pewter]

That’s getting addressed I think

[balmy glen]

I go down a 2 foot drop and my baby pachys red hp wounded and ahs broken legs

[full pewter]

I thought bb pachys could fall a decent distance

[balmy glen]

2 feet was a joke but a lot of falls i get my legs broken on as a dino that can jump is crazy

[balmy glen]

How my much money does it cost to make a server?

[full pewter]

Idk I’ve never made one, I just play on officials

[balmy glen]

Dang

[balmy glen]

Wonder if we will ever get full aquatics

[full pewter]

Doubt it personally, I don’t think they’ll help the game much

Here’s the planned roster

Note Raui and Boa are uncertain tho, likely scrapped

Ptero and compy are also ai ofc, likely brachio too

[full pewter]

Maybe AI but not playable

[balmy glen]

Gonna be really honest here i think they shouldnt do this many unless they up the amount of people that can be in a server

Bc then 80% of the species wont be played on a server

[full pewter]

VERY much agree, 150 is ideal with a separate human limit

[balmy glen]

Yea

[full pewter]

Charchar shouldn’t be added tho, there’s nothing going for it that another dino hasn’t already done, just a smaller giga

[balmy glen]

If everyone played every dino on a max serv. Of 150 there could only be 3 people on every dino

[wild mason]

I like the game rly much bit i miss the dead timer, i was fighting 4 pachys with my friends and after we killed one of the pachys they came back as trodons to annoy us in the fight and by healing our bones so pls bring back the timer

[latent olive]

QUADRU

[barren zephyr]

Why are the lakes so blue underwater

[restive lintel]

and what about the other dinos?

[restive lintel]

they have more spawns locations and still choose east plains to spawn and be there, doing nothing or killing each other. They limited the crocs to just one place and theres not that much water as it is of land to move around or just be chill there. Also, in water access theres nobody but deinos. What about the deino diet? they need more spawns to move easly arround the map to find food, for example: EAST PLAINS because ALL (or mostly all) the dinos are there. So the deino's player can get more gaming experience by facing other dinos and not just deinos and get obligated to cannibalism cuz theres no food and nutrients. I think theres three possible solutions:
1- add more spawns locations
2- add more water spots (doesn't matter if it is just small water spots it just to get water fill)
3- add other aquatic dinos like spino or others for face deinos and make the gaming experience better

[bold mason]

Deinos get full diet from eating other deinos, water access spawn spreads us out and gives everyone a chance to go anywhere on the map they desire. Adding more water spots only will dilute/spread out the croc population even more and it will be even harder to find other deinos to fight. Also adding more water spots will give land dinos more safe places to drink thus making it even harder for deinos to get kills on land dinos. I dont see any issue with the water access spawn even for future aquatic dinos. (not that thats coming anytime soon anyway)

[solid belfry]

#general-feedback message

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[wintry whale]

@barren zephyr Dino production has been speeding up recently and we even got 6 new dinos last year

[barren zephyr]

It’s rlly not enough tho like the dibble and rex and trike should of been out I’ve been hearing their half or almost done for months the game is just stail anymore

[limber hull]

the cycle begins anew

[wintry whale]

I don’t mind waiting, as long as it’s done properly when it comes out, I think herrera and dilo were dropped prematurely

[barren zephyr]

I don’t know how long u been playing, but I’ve played the game since progression and honestly the game visually is better, but gameplay wise and u always running into the same thing and playing the same thing after years is quite boring to me

[wintry whale]

Only about 3 years at this point, but I enjoy seeing progress in all it’s forms, even if it isn’t as fast as some like

[barren zephyr]

3 years a lot more should have been done that it has if it takes 3 years for this then u won’t see apexes in the game in another 30 years lmao it’s sad

[limber hull]

aren't we getting apexes after dibble lol

[wintry whale]

I like seeing the game being worked on, they give devblogs, so I see that progress is being made, as long as I know that things are being done to progress towards the end goal, I don’t mind it taking awhile, and I don’t feel that they’re taking an unduly long time

[limber hull]

didn't we get literally 6 different unique animals last year

[wintry whale]

Yep

And yep

[limber hull]

i dont see the problem then

[barren zephyr]

Their gonna be ai

[limber hull]

no they aren't lol

we literally know for a fact they are going to be playable

[barren zephyr]

Yes they are lmao on official thier ai

[limber hull]

sure

but on unofficial, they're playable

also, we still have zero confirmation on trike AI, and even rex AI may not come with rex's launch to unofficials

[barren zephyr]

Still shouldn’t be ai and u won’t see em for like another 6 months

[limber hull]

based on what evidence lol

because, again, we got 6 playables last year

[barren zephyr]

Dude dibble been almost done since around Christmas

It’s almost April