general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

then explain

[tight iron]

alr

troodon's venom works like this:

when you pounce someone, it will inject the first stage of venom which doesn't do much damage to dinos that have already grown a little. the prey will have a green aura, and all the troodons in the pack will emit a sound that just means "venom injected successfully". when you pounce the prey again, it will still be green, however it'll go into stage 2 envenomation, which causes more damage. once again, all the troodons will emit the same sound. if you pounce the prey before the sound emits, it will go down 1 stage. upon pouncing it again, it'll turn purple, which is when, after the troodons emit the sound, you can go berserk as each pounce will deal maximum damage which is multiplied each time you pounce the prey, making each pounce deal a little more damage than the previous one without fear of it resetting. each 45 seconds that passes without a pounce, the prey will go down 1 stage until the venom simply goes away

[urban flax]

The first two stages deal negligible damage, no matter wether the prey is grown or not

[tight iron]

they already deal some damage

[urban flax]

The damage you deal is because of pounce's raw damage
Which is fairly high, admittedly

[tight iron]

you need 3-4 pounces depending on how much time you let between each one to kill a boar with venom

you need like 30 or 50 to kill it without venom

it's not raw damage

[urban flax]

AI animals are immune to venom

[tight iron]

you can also pounce a small carno 2 times and let it die slowly or do a 3rd one to finish it off with venom, without venom you can't do anything to it

[icy lion]

If it dies slowly it's from bleed

[tight iron]

while sitting down

[urban flax]

wdym "without venom" ? Troodon rn has unlimited venom

[tight iron]

iirc troodon gets it at 38%

so at 37% you need many many many pounces

at 38% you need just a few

yesterday it took me 4 pounces to kill a 60% dilo

[urban flax]

yes because starting from the 3rd pounce it deals a lot of damage... but the first two don't deal "venom damage"
Or rather, a negligible amount of it

[tight iron]

it would take me like 70 to kill it if i didn't have venom

same thing applies to juvies, it just can't be raw damage, it's impossible

[icy lion]

Sitting doesn't stop blood loss

[tight iron]

im aware

but if he sits right away he won't bleed out

[icy lion]

You think troodon's venom does a DoT?

[tight iron]

what's a DoT?

[barren zephyr]

Damage over time

[tight iron]

pretty sure it does...?

a carno doesn't bleed out this quickly

and if you get pounced you can see yourself lose health a small while after being pounced

[icy lion]

Troodon's DOT lasts for like... 5 seconds last I checked

[primal kayak]

i just want to be able to take a carcass as a herra to the top of the huge trees and not have the body fall through

[tight iron]

hm

would make sense

[icy lion]

And juvie carnos definitely bleed out that quickly when they're sprinting after being attacked by adult troodons

[tight iron]

i don't know man, i've been in that situation and it's alwyas venom what kills me

not bleeding out

ive been both the attacker and the receiver, it takes 3 pounces to kill or be killed, sprinting or not

[vital dock]

who even said that? why u spread missinformation? wanna get banned?

[urban flax]

lol

[barren zephyr]

How that misinformation

[vital dock]

open a dictionary and find out? its the definition of missinformation

damn, some guys in here just always speak like they are the devs themselves, its quite funny when its not pure cringe

[cyan flame]

Well, carno is designated small game hunter, and teno wouldn't reasonably be considered small game for a carno, so it makes sense that the 1v1 wouldn't really be in favour of carno, especially since teno is quite the fighter, and carno generally don't like getting into fights

[urban flax]

A different person tries to explain this to him everyday

[vital dock]

again this nonsense of "small game hunter" who from devs ever mentioned this phrase and told you that teno is above that tier, when clearly weight about the same, grow about the same, and teno is even on his DIET?

why u keep telling to yourselves and to others this belief of yours like its the norm?

its clearly just an excuse to reinforce your belief that teno needs to be way stronger

[cyan flame]

If the weight is about the same, it wouldn't be "small game", that's kind of obvious. And things being on the diet, does not mean hunting adults of the kind, it can mean hunting juvies. And well, there was a description on the trello card way back when at least, so there is that. Of course, there's also how carno in general works, and that hunting tenos have never really been easy, teno has been quite capable of handling carno overall.

[cyan flame]

Because it is what we have to go by, descriptions, how the playables work, and so on. You, for some reason, seem to think it's a belief when it's more so logical deduction from things.

I'd like to see teno be more semiaquatic and just swim away from carnos really. Basically, use tail, stun carno, keep running. Swim away and watch the carno starve.

But teno would not be a good prey animal for carno in that scenario either, unless it's a smaller one, which fits with carno punching down, rather than same lane or up, at least solo

[barren zephyr]

i dont think carno should hunt bigger dinosaurs

[vital dock]

its just laughable, define "small game hunter", define what dinos fall under that category, u cant cause its just assumptions based on your thought.

[cyan flame]

Small game hunter = hunts things smaller than you. Punch up = hunt things way larger than you. Troodon and omni being examples there. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

[barren zephyr]

cera dont get hunted by carno though ngl

[cyan flame]

Basically, carno is, from what it overall seems, and from descriptions, meant to be punch down/smaller game hunter, rather than same lane, much less punching up

[cyan flame]

They do, but to be fair, cera is also one of the exceptions

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[cyan flame]

Considering it's the designated corpse bully that is meant to go "this is mine" to most things

It's like how kentro would also be an exception, due to "thorns", if it gets that ability

[barren zephyr]

i think carno should be a cannibal to reduce the population of carnos

[cyan flame]

But in general, omni/galli/dryo/ovi/dilo and so on would be carno prey

[barren zephyr]

also some random mechanism to debuff people that mixpack, like if you're around a certain player of another species too much

[cyan flame]

That does not work out as well as you'd think, it' been tried

[barren zephyr]

either way it can also function as a mechanic for troodons and omnis

[vital dock]

yes, also small game hunter means just same and lower tiers, its just YOUR assumption that says just lower tiers and not the same as you

[cyan flame]

Cannibalism only gives you even more food, and allows you to sustain yourself entirely on your own kind

[cyan flame]

No, not same lane, specifically "punch down", just like punch up is that, meant to go after larger things, not same lane. Omni does struggle vs pachy and even dilo, but is better vs larger things overall

[vital dock]

i mean everyone can think of it differently, its just a fluid expression

[cyan flame]

So it's not an assumption, it's literally "punch down", "punch up" and "same lane", three different things

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is just overall more superior in speed, damage, and ofc has venom compared to omni

[cyan flame]

And you can hunt tenos 1v1, it's very doable

But not ideal

[barren zephyr]

Dilo just has bad bleed resistance

[cyan flame]

Which means omnis can fight them, just like they can hunt pachies. But it's also dangerous for them, because both of them can keep up quite well, meanwhile, omnis can set the pace vs larger and slower things, just like troodon can.

[vital dock]

it just sucks and its straight unbalanced with all the nerfs carno got till now, its insane that teno is untouched

its doable but way unbalanced

[barren zephyr]

Teno is fine balance wise could get touched up a tad though

[cyan flame]

While I agree that carno isn't where it should be, I don't think carno needs to be able to handle teno 1v1 very well, at least not unless teno gets better ways to escape, such as more semiaquatic ability and so on.

[barren zephyr]

make cera faster than teno

[cyan flame]

Anyway, you got the description btw, so you know, it's not just me and others making things up, there's some basis for the reasoning, no matter how much you might dislike it

[vital dock]

will it ever get?

[barren zephyr]

im kinda confused on where sucho will live because theres barely and spots with really shallow water

[cyan flame]

How should I know? For all I know, balance could change entirely and all

[vital dock]

maybe devs told some thought for this

[cyan flame]

Maybe it won't need it, though I think wader sucho seems to be what people are thinking makes sense, since it's highly unlikely it'll put up a fight vs cheirus, much less spino

[cyan flame]

Well, not that I know of, at least for now

Though I've no doubt we'll see balance passes again, with the next update maybe, unless it's for something else

[barren zephyr]

i mean i think it should have a lot of shallow water, like some small waterfall area around the mountains

[vital dock]

next update is prob next month?

[barren zephyr]

No ETAS

[urban flax]

Sucho should NOT be fighting cheirus
They should be buddies

Everything sharing an environment doesn't have to compete

[vital dock]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-sooning-soontm-midsizedonkey7-nowhere-gif-12050318

[odd shell]

what are yalls thoughts on removing hp from the game so you'll only die from bleeding out

physical trauma would cause internal bleeding, like pachys and fall dmg

[barren zephyr]

Won’t work because then how would non-bleeders kill you?

[odd shell]

as there's no more hp of course the damage would have to be changed around bleed aswell

i think it's a neat idea worth exploring, which is more realistic than an arbitrary hp value

dehydrating & starvation would cause your screen to fade to black similar to logging out, and kill you when you lose all vision

[urban flax]

So you'd replace the HP bar with... another HP bar

[odd shell]

sortof yeah

its not replacing as much as just removing one and fleshing out the other

[urban flax]

But how is it more fleshed out ?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[urban flax]

The hp bar already is an internal trauma bar

It's just that starvation and dehydration empty it, although they shouldn't

[odd shell]

instead of dropping dead you'd become incapacitated and have to be finished off, maybe if something doesn't finish you off you can spam space bar to have a chance to recover

[urban flax]

So if a rex bites the head of your dryo, you're still alive ?

You're just adding call of Duty's downed state

[odd shell]

weight can play a part in it, i haven't played call of duty but i think getting downed in this version is a greater death sentence, like i said if your not finished off you can have a chance to not die

a very not great chance

[urban flax]

This doesn't really work in a survival game in which the goal is to eat other players or be eaten

The ability to kill other players quickly is essential

And it also removes the punishement from your mistakes if there isn't anyone around to finish you off
If you fall off a cliff for example

I'd agree with that "downed state" if it triggered, for example, when a dino reaches under 10% of its max HP (and in turn increase all dinos HP by 10%)
But all it achieves is giving a bit of extra immersion, nothing fancy

[odd shell]

animals can't kill other animals quickly without a significant size advantage

[urban flax]

Do you mean irl or in-game ?
Because irl they very much can

[odd shell]

irl

[urban flax]

And in-game some of them can too

Irl most, if not all predators rely on killing their prey in one blow
Including weasels, which hunt things much larger than themselves

Because real life is a feeble thing that can end in an instant

[lunar bay]

stfu

[odd shell]

all the big cats strangulate, all canids wear down the pray so they can strangulate it, bears just eat things by being bigger than them. the only animals that actually kill in one blow are venomous

even that takes time to kill

[urban flax]

No ? A lot of animal aim at their prey's neck to break it/bleed it out

But all of this is unrelated to an in-game downed state that triggers after you've been bitten a few times by a predator and gives you one extra chance at survival for basically no reason

[tight iron]

@full pewter always giving good feedback 💪

[full pewter]

Eyy ty

[full pewter]

Soo Cape buffalo are supposed to flee? Cause if irl animals could get banned like isle players, Cape buffalo would go extinct. Or basically any herbivore bigger than a gazelle in the African savanna (and even gazelles fight from time to time). Not to mention moose, or bison, or llamas, camels, kangaroos, all of which are more than willing to fight back

People often forget that many if not most of the most dangerous animals in the world…. are herbivores

[urban flax]

or rabbits
Rabbits fight back
Hard

[lunar bay]

ok, ok, have a nice day 👍

[full pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-fight-fighting-war-gif-16635829

[urban flax]

I've fought against a rabbit once
I won, but barely

[full pewter]

Predators built to hunt rabbits make it look easy, people trying to do it with their bare hands will probably get clawed and bitten

[full pewter]

Rather fight a rabbit than any rodent, rodent teeth are gnarly

[urban flax]

I also fought against a rat once
I lost

[full pewter]

😖

https://tenor.com/view/zombeavers-bite-attack-scary-animal-gif-16263539

[midnight heath]

Was bary actually on the roadmap or was that just edited on, I genuinely don't know.

[icy lion]

It is now

Austro and bary were added, ovi was removed to be added later

[midnight heath]

[limber hull]

@full vessel Spiro is so poorly optimised that it causes download times for updates to be doubled simply by existing. Bringing it back would also bring back that annoying issue

[urban spade]

There's a hole you can fall into as a croc on the third waterfall from leaving the lake its annoying af be careful guys

[odd shell]

that morning we were treated to a bright sun.. right?

[limber hull]

LMAO what

[uncut zephyr]

Guh Nuh?!!

[solid belfry]

This is where people get the Carno small game hunter thing from? It sounds more like colorful language to describe how nothing small can outrun Carno to me.

[cobalt galleon]

@wintry whale bro time the Sprint right and you insta kill a utha on the head and make a tento hurt

i can Show you a Clip what i mean

[wintry whale]

I don't play carno all that often, I just want it to be better at quickly killing things significantly smaller than it, rather than engaging in prolonged pursuit fights with tenos or ceras

[limber hull]

that's the least fun way to design it lol

[cobalt galleon]

lol its already ok

[limber hull]

you have a creature that is capable of keeping up with everything in a chase, and you want it to not do that and instead finish the fight in one go

[wintry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-wonder-woman-gif-19782520

[cobalt galleon]

wait ill send a clip of me

[wintry whale]

I also want it to have signficantly worse stamina, but I also prefer ambush carno waaay more than pursuit carno

[limber hull]

why? i hate the idea of our most speedy creature being nothing but smaller, worse allo

the midtier has enough ambush predators. It literally has ONLY ambush predators, given allo and alberto decided they don't want to be anything unique, so let carno be the exception and actually RUN

[wintry whale]

I actually want allo to be a pursuit hunter, focusing on bleed and damage on large prey rather than small stuff that won't fill it up as well

[cobalt galleon]

https://medal.tv/de/games/the-isle/clips/20aaEdwwtP7rdy/d1337fuMNHfU?invite=cr-MSw1ekIsNTk0MzQ3Mzcs

look and you say its not strong

[wintry whale]

I never said it wasn't strong

[limber hull]

we know for a fact that's not happening

[wintry whale]

My thoughts are silly and a danger

[limber hull]

so let carno be the pursuit, it's already an insanely good sprinter

[cobalt galleon]

a carno should kill a tento with a sprint or what ?

[wintry whale]

No, I want it to be worse against large things and simultaneously better at things dilo weight or smaller

[cobalt galleon]

you saw that clip rn ?

[limber hull]

I'm unsure what the clip is supposed to prove

[wintry whale]

I do not care to watch it

[cobalt galleon]

an carno makes a dilo like orange already wit a good hit

[cobalt galleon]

how strong a carno sprint is

not like people sprinting 5 meters away from me and missing

[limber hull]

you hit two sub omnis on the head with a charge, they're gonna die. That doesn't make charge good.

Honestly, all I want from charge is it to not cost your entire stambar

[cobalt galleon]

you know when you stop early the charge after a hit you wont lose much stam

[limber hull]

Most other creatures got a stam reduction to attacks with Gateway because it made no sense to keep Spiro's high values, except carno, who for some reason melts at the same speed, despite WAY longer stam regen

[wintry whale]

I want the opposite, bug investment with solid return, rather than being able to be reused, but I am tired and it is late, so womp womp for my higher brain function

[limber hull]

I think the one and done playstyle works better for herrera, deino or creatures that actively aren't good at pursuing their prey. Carno's base kit gives it the ability to pursue, so why make it also one-and-done, unless you want its entire statpool to just be horrible for basic traversal

Because the best way to make carno an ambusher is to ensure it cannot pursue well, so you have to essentially neuter everything else about its basic traversal stats

[cobalt galleon]

just learn hownto use the Sprint and you wont Lose much stam

[wintry whale]

Fair, having repetitive playstyles would feel very cheap, I just have an image in my head of what I want for carno, and it’s wonky to the point I don’t know what I want

[wintry whale]

I don’t have an issue with the current carno, I’m just suggesting some potential changes it’s playstyle

[limber hull]

Carno's attacks are DESIGNED to be used in a sprint. If they were ambush oriented, they'd be initiated from a crouching/standing state to quickly attack. It is inherently designed to slow down or stop fleeing prey items and finish them off

I think current carno still has far too high a stamdrain

Given how the move is supposed to work

You can't say "you have to charge for 4 seconds to actually do the knockdown" and also "if you charge for 4 seconds you have absolutely no stam"

[wintry whale]

I think having instacharge back could work with my idea, but yeah, lots of gameplay overlap would be a problem

[limber hull]

And all this on top of a cooldown makes carno's charge one of the most bizarrely balanced move in the game

[limber hull]

Instacharge is egrigiously unfun, as Gateway launch proved with flying colours

Because we also have carno's acceleration tuned to a pursuit playstyle, accelerating fast to continue a chase

[wintry whale]

Yeah, my idea would change a lot about carno, and probably not worth it

[limber hull]

Neutering the acceleration makes it both worse to ambush as and worse to traverse as

The thing is, the more people try to cram carno into the box of an ambush hunter, the more it is noticable how that doesn't work.

Issue after issue pops up, because carno's base stats kinda defeat the ideals of an ambusher

Allo likely will be getting ambush speed, meaning it's fast for a bit, then slow. Carno is ALWAYS fast, so if it fails the ambush, it's also just a pursuit hunter, so it'll continue. Which makes carno exceptionally unfun to deal with as an ambusher, because unlike other ambushers (herrera and deino), it just doesn't care if it fails

Designing it primarily around pursuit cuts out this problem by just... Letting it do the thing it already does

Without balancing it around another playstyle that can never work given carno's core design philosophy

[uncut zephyr]

B-but why can’t my dinosaur with incredibly developed back legs very obviously used for sprinting be an ambusher instead, it would make so much sense because um uh um I said so and I’m right

[urban flax]

Replace charge with a sprinting alt-headbutt with small fracture potential and medium damage
Enough to fracture an omni, not a teno

More skilled to use, more interesting, more useful for carno's kit, and ALSO more realistic

[uncut zephyr]

Clearly it should be able to stun a stego

After all they are supposed to exist only to feed carnivores and should not be able to fight

[cobalt galleon]

what you outfit yourmind

[urban flax]

Oh sorry I forgot about that
You're ocmpletely right

[uncut zephyr]

Silly you, always forgetting about a herbis true purpose

[daring wraith]

Another day of me demanding to make Allo a playable like yesterday.

[hasty fractal]

I miss old carnotaurus stats XD

[urban flax]

ew legacy

[barren crater]

isn't that old evrima ?
350n

but then again legacy speed

[urban flax]

Only legacy ever had the DNA strands on the left

[barren crater]

I see, when did legacy carno bite for 350n

anyways carno was better when it was able to turn. ty for reading

[dry falcon]

I love this paragraph so much

[normal lotus]

Back when carno was not made to be a small prey pursuit hunter

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message @tight iron

[tight iron]

wat

[barren zephyr]

Dilo doesn’t need a speed nerf at all that isn’t its problem, its problem is that it can pump out as much damage as it wants with no cooldown.

[tight iron]

oh yeah it definetely does

[barren crater]

I personally think dilo should be the same speed as omni at day, but faster at night

[tight iron]

you can easily avoid the clones

get near water or get up

[barren crater]

Won't be a thing for long

[tight iron]

the issue with it is that it can catch up to anything that's not a carno while dealing remote damage

right now dilo is the most op dino in this game

it blinds you it literally REMOTELY kills you

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message

[tight iron]

it catches up to everything that's not a carno

[barren crater]

[tight iron]

yeah im aware

terrible news for anything that's not a dilo

ive never seen such a demon as dilo

[barren zephyr]

Probably but I think it being faster than omni is just a way to escape a pack or so in a dangerous situation because dilo is really susceptible to bleed

[tight iron]

well about that

dilo needs a very big downside

it has no downsides right now tmk

[barren crater]

Yeah which is why it should be the same speed imo. I dislike how confident they are at day though. There is 0 drawback to playing dilo over Omni

[tight iron]

its bleed is terrible but good luck getting pounced

buck em off chsae em down kill them

[barren crater]

Or run them into anything with collision

[tight iron]

you literally outstam and outrun a raptor

you can also blind it and remotely kill it

the raptor has a minute to find a high place to get on

and now cera... poor ceras being obliterated by dilos

[barren crater]

(And even that might not matter lol)

[tight iron]

soon enough it won't

so dilo will be even more op than it already is

i truly don't even know why the hell dilo is so damn op

i played it a few times and literally killed myself due to boredom

[barren zephyr]

I’ve seen this a lot and it’s kind of the opposite for me, I’ve seen skilled ceratos wipe out dilo packs.

[tight iron]

go up to someone at 1000000000mph bite 3 times spam clones

[tight iron]

you're right with this one tho

a very skilled cerato can definetely wipe out packs

it's pretty much the only one that can stand its ground against a dilo

[barren zephyr]

Though momentarily I have seen bad ceratos get killed ofc

[tight iron]

a carno can definetely deal serious damage but the turn speed is just too ba

i mean see it this way, i understand you don't want your main dino to be nerfed but what about everyone else?

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean I do want it nerfed

[tight iron]

dilo is the biggest fun killer i've ever seen, it doesn't even allow for a fight

you can't fight while you're taking 1/5 of your health per clone hit and are blind

[barren zephyr]

But I just don’t agree with the speed nerfing being that drastic it’s the same speed as cerato

[tight iron]

why not tho? what else would you believe could be nerfed?

[barren zephyr]

It’s bite (agree to disagree), bite speed, and maybe its speed

[tight iron]

i agree bite speed should get tweaked

the cooldown isn't even noticeable

but let me put it this way

dilo doesn't need speed, it can kill you from somewhat far away

and it absolutely needs a nerf right now, it's busted as hell

other day saw a dilo solo a stego cause he ambushed him spam bit its head and just spammed clones till it died

[barren zephyr]

I mean it depends on the hunting style if it’s letting you bleed out sure it could wait from afar but in terms of applying its venom, dilo needs to have consistent bites on its targets before the venom timer runs out. Which is what its speed is necessary for

[tight iron]

um no ambush spam bite head spam clones for 5 minutes

it doesn't need consistent bites

dilo is an absolute no skill right now since it has zero downsides

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but 8/10 people will abuse the clones so they don’t get hit

In these scenarios is when you have to be consistent

[tight iron]

well crap just like anyone else

u think a cera can bite and stay away for 5 mins?

u think a carno can bite and do the same?

no they must keep engaging whereas a dilo doesn't need that

ambush at 100000mph spam bite head clone till he dies

not everyone has water near himself at all times

[barren zephyr]

Then how do you kill something get a couple of bites back off, and clones can’t do nothing cause your target is near a body of water

[tight iron]

i must ask

what else do u expect

do you want everyone to be defenseless?

unless the dilo comes at you in plain sight you're pretty much done for

that or unless you hear it from far away

[barren zephyr]

I mean being consistent helps get a few bites, go in again after a minute or two

[limber hull]

dilo has one of the worst agilities for its size

[tight iron]

that doesn't mean it's not busted as hell tho

[barren zephyr]

No one said that

[tight iron]

it can still blind you and remotely kill you

[tight iron]

yes and no

my personal issue with dilo is that the mfer just pops outta nowhere spam bites you and yeah start running you aint getting anywhere

[latent olive]

doesnt dilo have 0 resistance for anything

[tight iron]

no it has plenty of hp

[barren zephyr]

Speed nerf to cera speed wouldn’t make sense combined with dilos mid agility

[latent olive]

but it doesnt have any fracture or bleed resist

[tight iron]

also your reaction when you're blind isn't "oh wiat let me fight back" it's "YOOO GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE BOI"

[latent olive]

unless somethings changed recently

[tight iron]

it being fast as hell doesn't make sense combined with its blinding ability and remotely killing

[barren zephyr]

Yeah it could be slower than omni during the day and faster at night

[tight iron]

the fact that it can blind you make you unable to scent and remotely kill you imo is a good enough argument to make it one of the slowest creatures in the game

[tight iron]

it should barely catch up to a cea

like same speed or even slower

[normal lotus]

For me I believe that it being stupid slow would make it insanely vulnerable.

[tight iron]

that is the point

[barren zephyr]

It’s probably going to get the bite force and bite speed nerfed anyway so any other drastic nerf would sort of be redundant anyway imo

[tight iron]

this thing is mentally insane right now it isn't supposed to be the king of the earth that roams around solo getting rid of entire packs

[normal lotus]

Yea but to the point where it can't escape ANYTHING and will die before it can even leave their radius.

[tight iron]

good

it can blind you already and clones do its job

[barren zephyr]

Once this is done dilo would be in a good spot

[tight iron]

guys imagine for a second that raptor got herrera bleed

wouldn't everyone literally riot?

[normal lotus]

Dawg. What you are suggesting will make EVERY FIGHT AGAINST DILO BE AN INSTA WIN.

[tight iron]

not necessarily

i just want it to be vulnerable like everyone else

everyone is vulnerable to something

dilo is only destroyed by herreras

[barren zephyr]

Dilo being susceptible to bleed already puts it in a vulnerable spot, and it can’t take a lot of damage as well

[tight iron]

before anyone asks i have not recently died to a stupid situation regarding dilo

[tight iron]

thing is you can't bleed it

you literally can't it's too fast

[normal lotus]

And imo it should be. Instead of breaking its damn ankles, we should rather make it so you have to bite the animal to regenerate your venom uses. Meaning you will have to get back into the fray and risk getting killed.

[tight iron]

or blinding being removed as a whole

[barren crater]

You can "tank" a pounce if you buck an omni off tbf

[tight iron]

its kit right now is comparable to the military against regular police

bro can use its artillery to destroy you

[indigo mural]

@sacred sable could I ask why you disagreed with my suggestion? Like as a genuine question

[tight iron]

while you only have a pistol against it

you can get in your car and get da hecc outta there but bro will get ON A HELICOPTER and chase you down

the only boi that can really get away from a dilo is raptor

[normal lotus]

I need to say this, you can very much bait a dilo into attacking you.

[tight iron]

not saying it's impossible to kill one by the way

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough

[tight iron]

if you get a good upper hand you can absolutely win

but its disadvantages are nullified by its power

its disadvantage is bleed, good luck catching up to it tho

even a pachy that has already broken its body and leg should watch the crap out for those bites

[normal lotus]

It's disadvantage is also it has horrible health.

[tight iron]

no it has pretty good health for what it is

[barren crater]

ah idk about that

[tight iron]

i mean sure it doesn't have great health but for what it has in hand? amazing health

[barren crater]

technically a 5 shot for a carno since you're always healing in this game

[normal lotus]

In my opinion dilo just needs a few adjustments. Just requiring hallucinations be recharged via bites should suffice.

[tight iron]

in my opinion it requires a serious nerf

[barren zephyr]

Unpopular opinion but dilos trot sound needs to be lowered its stomping around like it’s cerato or smth

[tight iron]

cera has its amazing charge bite but in return it's slow as frickin hell

[normal lotus]

It really really doesn't. Especially the nerf you were suggesting

[tight iron]

oh absolutely not make it louder

[normal lotus]

And cerato Isn't made to be a hunter.

[tight iron]

we need a way to get the hec away from it

[tight iron]

strong enough to be one ngl

[normal lotus]

But it isn't a hunter. It's a scavenger and a bully first. Or should be.

[uncut zephyr]

It’s really not that egregious of an animal, like its bite speed needs to be nerfed and maybe have the venom get looked at a little, but honestly it’s not terrible

[barren crater]

imo dilo should be a bit slower during the day

[tight iron]

carno is very big fast a lot of health but takes bleed pretty badly and has practically no steering + charge consumes too much stamina

[uncut zephyr]

New mechanics are going to make it absolutely encouraged to scavenge and bully off corpses

[normal lotus]

He was saying to make dilo speed near or slower than cerato.

[tight iron]

meanwhile dilo doesn't have that much health takes bleed badly takes fractures badly has mid steering but bro can catch up to anything and can remotely kill you + blind you

reminds me of games where ppl put c4 on you and run away at 1000000000mph

good luck surviving that 👍 (dilo rn)

[limber hull]

the best venom nerf we can get is reducing the amount of damage its hallucinations do

[normal lotus]

Ok ok. Have you ever considered: trying to bait out their initial bites?

[normal lotus]

That and or having bites be a recharge.

[tight iron]

absolutely, i do that a lot when im actually aware that they're near me

[limber hull]

mmm

[tight iron]

baiting them isn't difficult

the issue is that they be crouchin and crouchin towards you

and when you realize they're there it's cause they're going mach frickin 17 towards you to spam the crap outta you

[limber hull]

that's absolutely nuts lol

[uncut zephyr]

Clearly we need to bring back ambush speed

[tight iron]

oh hell naw

[barren zephyr]

What I’ve been saying

[tight iron]

dilos going 75km/h:

(with ambush speed not rn smh)

[limber hull]

someone unironically agreed with you lol

JAYLINK ARE YOU /SRS OR /J

[uncut zephyr]

Hmm

What’s funnier

[barren zephyr]

Serious

[limber hull]

Honestly, if we want a dilo nerf, make it have less stam, not less speed

Dilo has already got garbage turn radius

[tight iron]

the alt bite and the fact that it can ambush you at 700mph:

[limber hull]

It should scurry off to the trees if spotted, and run out of stam if pursued

[barren crater]

I don't think it should be slower all the time. I think it should be slower during the day, but not by much.

[normal lotus]

Ok ok. Here is my proposal.

Keep the speed relatively the same, maybe slightly slower during the day since it is a night predominant hunter, not enough to where it just dies if anything with remotely strong attacks see it.

Reduce the damage that venom does, as well as make it so you don't have to trade damage to kill them.

Make it so the hallucinations are recharged via bites.

[limber hull]

yup

[barren zephyr]

bite speed nerf too

[tight iron]

at this point idc just make it not the most op dino in the game

[barren crater]

👍

[normal lotus]

It is not the most op. That title goes to deino.

[tight iron]

deino doesn't go after you on land

it's restricted to water

[barren zephyr]

Bush Deinos

[barren crater]

If you couldn't use terrain, then dilo would genuinely be the most cancerous thing The Isle added

[tight iron]

that's why dilo is the most op

[tight iron]

i mean there's plenty of places where terrain can't be used

[normal lotus]

Using terrain to your advantage I enjoy.

[tight iron]

it already is the most cancerous thing the isle has ever added

that and making herrera able to bleed you out in a minute

[barren crater]

nah that's fun

[tight iron]

for herreras

[limber hull]

herrera is fine imho

[tight iron]

nerf a bit its bleed

[normal lotus]

I mean Herrera kinda makes sense considering it has literally no other options to hunt
.

[tight iron]

don't make it like at the start tho

[barren crater]

I haven't been dropped on yet, but that's because I'm paranoid

[tight iron]

like seriously herrera at release was horrendous

it really needed a buff

but this buff was insane imo

[limber hull]

if you wanna nerf herrera, reduce groundspeed, that's it honestly

[tight iron]

it's slow anyways so

and it lives on the trees

that would make absolutely no difference

it shouldn't bleed you out unless you do stupid stuff imo

"oh i have been pounced by a herrera, let me run a marathon!"

you deserve to die if you do that

[barren crater]

I bled out a Carno and it was the most fun I had in this game.

[tight iron]

however having 15 seconds to sit down and watch as you go down to 2% bleed is not good imo

wasnt good before tho when it did zero frickin bleed

[barren crater]

You know what's also cancer? Pin 😔

[tight iron]

a buff was absolutely required but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh way too much imo

raptor pin?

[barren crater]

yes

[tight iron]

i mean tbh im kinda biased since i only play raptor

but if raptor didnt have pin i guarantee you that i would never play it

devs only buff dilo and nerf raptor

raptor is pretty much in a terrible state rn compared to others

[barren crater]

Pin when someone has a high latency is up there with dilo cancer. It will be especially horrible when allo / rex are added

[tight iron]

backcheck being removed is a good thing imo

and the pin in groups thing is also a good thing imo

make it actually smth to be somewhat concerned about not a walking clown

[barren crater]

Being sniped from 5m away because the guy playing the omni / allo / rex has 500 ping

[tight iron]

death

alr bois brb

[tight iron]

what im truly afraid of is the isle being the isle and doing a "wait raptor can actually DEFEND ITSELF, RELIABLY KILL SOMETHING and not die miserably TO A TAIL HIT??? NAHH WE GOTTA NERF THAT" and then doing a "wait people can SURVIVE something that makes you blind, messes up your hearing, makes you unable to scent, is faster than anything but carnos and can REMOTELY KILL YOU??? WHAT??? nahhh we GOTTA make sure a single bite is enough to kill a fully grown stego"

like seriously im seeing extreme bias right here, raptor is miserable right now and is finally getting a buff after it got bonked onto the ground and ppl are gonna ask for a nerf probably or a way to dodge it while dilo is absolutely insane right now with practically no counter and ppl like it

[limber hull]

what is it with raptor players and making up hypothetical conspiracy theories where they all want raptors dead

[tight iron]

giving the example of raptor cause it's what happened a while ago

it was able to pounce you from all sides which made it able to reliably kill so that got removed

[limber hull]

that got removed because facepouncing was absurd

it was by all means a correct change to make

[tight iron]

dilo is absurd right now as well and it's getting a buff 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

Gateway launch raptor was beyond obnoxious

It also got a colossal nerf recently

[tight iron]

raptor face pouncing was stupid imo

[limber hull]

Where its stage 3 went from 5 minutes long to 1 minute long

[tight iron]

that is not a colossal nerf ngl

that is a minor-medium nerf

[limber hull]

it was HUGE

[tight iron]

to the most busted and insane dino in the entire game

[normal lotus]

I get what you're talking about. And I want nerfs for it. But I'm not really affected by dilo all too much (I main gallimimus)

[tight iron]

im not tryna be like "oooh raptor should be able to 1 tap everything"

im just using the example because it's my main, i control and understand it

[tight iron]

i see

[limber hull]

its not like raptor hasn't also been by far the most overpowered animal in the game

it also has held that title

[tight iron]

once again face pouncing was dumb imo

[limber hull]

at least 3 times

[tight iron]

but it didn't deserve to be annihilated like that

[normal lotus]

Dilo is in the spot of: it's manageable if you know what you're doing against it. But it still needs a nerf since a few animals aren't equipped for it.

[tight iron]

however back onto dilo

[limber hull]

I wouldn't say it got annihilated at all

[tight iron]

it really did

[limber hull]

What exactly annhialated it?

Was it the facecheck? Because that's when the "raptor sucks" complaints really started piling on

[tight iron]

only being able to pounce from the sides, requiring you to land a perfect pounce to a moving target or you get 1 tapped

and ofc practically doubling the growth time of an already terrible playable

i literally stopped pouncing for a while and only hunted using bites

pounce was practically a guaranteed death

so if you can't use the thing that is supposed to make you win and instead rely on 65 bite force and very low health, good luck

[limber hull]

honestly, raptor can honestly do insanely well with just bites (because it has really good biteforce and agility combined)

[tight iron]

it was able to do great with bites

not when gateway got launched and ppl started lagging everywhere

imagine getting hit at the tail and you suddenly realize that you're on red health

[limber hull]

the game was laggier before Gateway what

[tight iron]

also another thing that affects it is the fact that theres practically no plains

pounce yourself off a cliff 💀

i was expecting devs to remove its ability to jump im not even kidding

[limber hull]

why

again, bizarre conspiracy theory

[tight iron]

it's not a conspiracy theory it's me thinking they were probably gonna do that

raptor mains on their way to complain when their main dinosaur is unplayable:

the rest of the isle: we do not care

meanwhile dilo being unable to 1 tap anything: must be buffed

[normal lotus]

Tbh most people don't care because they just don't like Omni

[tight iron]

quite literally

[wintry whale]

They’re getting back the pounce from the rear

[tight iron]

im aware

[cyan flame]

A fair part of that is because of how omni mains have behaved I think, for good and ill

[tight iron]

not saying raptor is unplayable rn tho

i felt some pounce improvements

not very insane but werent bad either

and when it gets the pin in a group ability it'll finally be where it has to be

[wintry whale]

Agreed

[tight iron]

in a solid place in the food chain 👍

[normal lotus]

Docktahs have everyone a bad taste in their mouth for omni/utah

[craggy juniper]

I want to add to this suggestion, #general-feedback message that I also think it would be a great idea to do this for all dinos that have a connection to the water, like beipys and maybe even herras because of how good they are at swimming.

[gray pike]

I'm a bit confused on why the healthbar was removed?

I never got to play with it

The heartbeat indicator is alright but I cannot tell how fast I'm healing my wounds

[barren zephyr]

Metagaming or something along the lines of that

[limber hull]

buncha people metaing their health

basically all it ended up being was number crunching bull

[gray pike]

ig

[limber hull]

people would just calculate how many hits till death and run in, even if very wounded

[gray pike]

Healing off attacks feels like it takes years because there's no sense of progression with the monitor it just changes color

Unless I'm missing something?

[limber hull]

i dont understand why you'd... need a sense of progression?

its healing

[gray pike]

less sense of progression more like

it feels like it's actually doing something

I also don't really understand how locked health works

is that tied to the wounded status?

[limber hull]

no

wounded is just if you have less than 50% HP

[gray pike]

so how does it work?

when is my health regen locked?

[limber hull]

all damage does a little bit of locked health

basically it just means you can't heal it all while standing, that's it

you gotta rest

[gray pike]

ok so every type of damage locks some health it's not a threshold?

[limber hull]

pre sure

[gray pike]

Is there no indicator on the heartbeat monitor of health? Like how fast it beats or

Just color?

[normal lotus]

Mhm

[limber hull]

ya, color = health state

green good, yellow hurt, orange very hurt, red near death

[gray pike]

ok so basically what I thought

[tight iron]

bite force

when you're on orange you begin to lose bite force each hit you take

[icy lion]

That's the Wounded status, yea

[tight iron]

and uh let's say i am a raptor and i have 40 bite force instead of 65, im practically dead

[limber hull]

I mean, it's not just bite force that's impacted

[barren zephyr]

Tf you posting

[radiant nest]

@odd shell #general-feedback message in a past stream dondi has specifically said that that is not intended and is now being looked at as a priority

[odd shell]

praise jesus

[urban flax]

@weary elk you're wrong, these islands have gotten attention from the community

from you specifically

[solid belfry]

Wow, got em!!!!11

[bold mason]

i dont think its possible to get to one of those islands, is it?

[normal lotus]

It does, takes a bit of swimming but you can reach them

[weary elk]

It actually doesn't take much swimming if you go from the beach by east plains.

[urban flax]

I agree the islands should have some use
At some point when looking at them I wanted to go there but I knew it would be a death sentence are there is no food or water there

[weary elk]

The islands have a few mud pits and some rail access thingies you can't go in. Give them some herbi food and water to tide over the curious, I say.

[tired flame]

@merry pine #general-feedback message pls be more specific

[lapis swallow]

I think they mean that it takes some time for your health meter to update once you have gone into your creature menu

[tired flame]

uh? there is no health meter in menu anymore

[lapis swallow]

the heartbeat

[urban flax]

The heartbeat monitor

[tired flame]

heartbeat should be the audio when you are drowning

[urban flax]

The line
The line that changes color when you take damage

Or rather, that changes color after keeping the character menu open for 3 seconds if you've taken damage

[merry pine]

Yes

There is a delay of a few seconds

When your health color is yellow, it shows green for a few seconds

[wintry whale]

@weary elk I saw your post about islands, so I’m going to drop off this leaked concept of gateway from when before it was released that might show potential future stuff, but is not necessarily indicative of future plans:

It is outdated

[icy lion]

I'm fairly certain that all of that is fan-made ideas on top of an old outline of the map

[wintry whale]

I don’t think so, but there is a chance you’re right, I know others have made concepts over the maps

[hollow mirage]

#general-feedback message
I dont understand the need for this because N already does the ritual

[hollow mirage]

This thing takes a while to update
Please don't beat me up

[weary elk]

I absolutely love this picture

[hollow mirage]

[gusty plover]

ritual and mating call are different things

like imagine how much easier it would be to find a mate if you had a mating call

animals already do this in the wild + its an amazing thing to add to the game

[hollow mirage]

Cant imagine it would be useful especially with the cooldown
In my opinion it just wouldnt be a good mechanic

[gusty plover]

why wouldnt it be? nesting is almost completely dead and this would increase the chances of people nesting by alot with no downsides

[urban flax]

Why so many limitations tho

[hollow mirage]

The reason nesting isnt the most popular thing isnt because players cant find eachother

[gusty plover]

to avoid people using it to bait in other players just to kill them im guessing

[hollow mirage]

Nesting is an unfinished mechanic and is often overlooked

[urban flax]

But that doesn't adress that issue at all

[gusty plover]

I know that, but it would still help the problem A BIT

[hollow mirage]

Cant see it helping

[urban flax]

Since you can still do it with 1-calls anyway

[hollow mirage]

Yeah..

[gusty plover]

you cant use it near other dinosaurs to help with the mixpacking and kos issue + it has a cooldown so people actually use it for nesting and not just because they think it sounds cool or whatever

atleast thats how I see it

[icy lion]

20 minutes is insanely long though imo

[gusty plover]

1 calling doesnt say ''hey I wanna nest'' the same way a mating call would

[urban flax]

But if you can only use it once every 20 minutes people can't use it to find a mate

[gusty plover]

I agree with that 20 minutes is too much

maybe 5-10?

[urban flax]

Also I don't know why it should double-down as a "detect predators in your vicinity" tool

[icy lion]

Limit it to only being able to be used while at an age where you can breed+not infertile and maybe keep the "not mixpacking" thing

[gusty plover]

^

[hollow mirage]

The mating call is no better than a 1 call with issues like kos or mixpacking
If anything its a loud roar that tells others you're alone

[icy lion]

I'd even say 1 minute or no cooldown

I really don't see why a CD is inherently necessary

[hollow mirage]

Yes

[gusty plover]

could also work perfectly fine I just dont want it to be abused for other purposes that just seems kinda silly

[hollow mirage]

Maybe a call will come when nesting is finalized

[gusty plover]

I just love the idea I dont see how it would be a bad thing being added

[lyric cosmos]

I can't react to the most recent suggestions 🐾

[full pewter]

@barren zephyr I like tarpits, but I’m not sure on carnivorous plants tbh

[grim halo]

Is that so? Didn't know that. I have noticed that right after the rain ended it wasn't long before i was dirty, I don't think I sat down, but I don't remember. I will test this. Thanks.

[barren zephyr]

Fair

[calm laurel]

https://i.imgur.com/K0gV01l.jpeg
This is exhilarating

[normal lotus]

They're working on the lighting

[dry falcon]

Could be used to bait males/females, but I'm pretty sure that happens irl

[dry falcon]

Peak gameplay, huh?

[daring wraith]

Another day of me demaning to make Allo a playable like yesterday.

[limber hull]

you could've picked any dino

and you picked allo

disappointing

[urban flax]

"all these dinos, and you chose to be an allo fan"

[daring wraith]

Allo in Isle looking wayyy to smooth. Thats why.

[limber hull]

@urban bear executioner shouldn't exist, let alone be a design standpoint for other mutations to go off. And having last stand be a learned mutation and not a selected mutation makes it even scarier

people will be throwing themselves off cliffs to get easy damage up perk

[barren crater]

I'd 100% farm it cause why not lol?

[limber hull]

exactly

[urban bear]

I like the idea of last stand

[urban bear]

thats true, maybe it should have to be from a player

[limber hull]

just don't make it something you can get that way

(or don't make it and executioner at all)

because damage buffs suck, and last stand basically counteracts the entire presence of wounded

[urban bear]

I think damage buffs are fine in certian situations but I get your point

If its not a full out damage buff for your life time but rather something situational I think its fine, and if executioner is coming to the game I think it deserves a counter.

[limber hull]

if a mutation deserves a "counter", it's already bad

[urban flax]

What's that "executioner" mutation ?

[uncut zephyr]

Isn’t it like “deal more damage to wounded creatures” or something along those lines?

[urban bear]

Disagree, that’s like saying if pounce needs a counter is already bad

[limber hull]

if someone is low on health, you do more damage to them. it's bad

[urban bear]

You should have the ability to customize your character to other peoples, no reason why some mutations should not have counters

[limber hull]

no, because pounce isn't a choice you opt into with raptor. Every raptor pounces

[urban bear]

And it has a counter right?

[limber hull]

yes? but it's also a universal mechanic you will find on every raptor

[urban bear]

There will be other mutations aside from executioner, the way I see that mutation Will help park hunters bring down big prey like stegos and make apex’s less invincible

[limber hull]

also this mutation is INSANELY overpowered. Like obnoxiously so

as the fight goes on, you get MORE damage as your opponent becomes wounded and gets LESS damage. You outscale them so hard, they're screwed

with the wounded mechanic, this mutation is instant metababy goto

the ultimate deathmatch perk

[urban bear]

Pretty sure they would have to pass a certain health % before executioner activates

[limber hull]

like with wounded

[urban bear]

What does wounded do?

[limber hull]

lowers your damage as you get lower health

[urban bear]

Like you get a mutation that makes your own damage Lower?

[urban flax]

If damage mutations are definitely going to be in, maybe it would be better if there were mutation "classes"

[urban bear]

The whole reason I made my suggestion was because they will probably be in and need counters so they aren’t extremely oppressive

[urban flax]

And people have limited slots for every mutation type
For example, you can only have 1 combat mutation
So everyone has one, but it isn't always the same

[urban bear]

W idea

[urban flax]

Or it depends on the species
Like combat-oriented creatures can have 2

[barren crater]

Also reduces healing, stamina regen, bleed regen and you're weaker to bleeding attacks

[limber hull]

wounded is a status effect that is already in the game

it is not a mutation

[uncut zephyr]

Ok but what do you define as “combat-oriented”
By technicality wouldn’t that just be carnivores

[urban flax]

No
That would be, in the current roster, teno, stego, maybe pachy and maybe cera

Brawlers

[barren crater]

There was a fracture based mutation where you deal more damage to fractured animals but iirc that was carnivore only

[urban flax]

That's uh
Kinda stupid

[barren crater]

It is

[uncut zephyr]

Yes but all carnivores have to fight to survive, their entire existence revolves around combat and winning said combats, I can understand if you’re going off of movesets but that just puts every other creature against them at a disadvantage simply because they can get more damage

[barren crater]

Rex of all things does not need to do more damage lol

[latent olive]

rex players stacking like three mutations and somehow dealing over 4000n biteforce lmao

[barren crater]

Crushing Blow : Increase impact damage towards fractures

[barren crater]

😔

[urban flax]

No, some carnivores are ambushers, some like carno and deino rely on hunting prey too small to fight back, some just eat fish
Combat isn't a carnivore-only thing

On the contrary, teno and stego will have to fight every carnivore trying to eat them, as it's their only survival strategy, and their entire bodyplan is designed for that

But anyway the idea of having additional combat slots for brawlers isn't that good

[barren crater]

Knockoff : Bucking drains more of the attackers stamina

I like this

[limber hull]

but is it as stupid as the one that makes you do more damage to bleeding creatures

[barren crater]

Bloodcrazed : Do flat X% extra damage on bleeding target

[limber hull]

flat 20% more damage if you bleed. The status effect you get on every carni bite besides ptera

i wonder if it'll be meta

its a mystery

[uncut zephyr]

Perchance

[limber hull]

there's a TON of good mutations dragged down by some of the worst "do more damage" type garbo I have ever seen

Dondi's "you can see ultraviolet light and thus can literally see gen 2 NV" is SO much cooler than any of these combat things

[urban flax]

I'd make it more specific
Bucking under 0.5 second after being pounced instantly drains 50 stamina from the attacker
So it's a reflex thing

[latent olive]

huh

[limber hull]

yup

it's so cool

[latent olive]

no like explain the statement a bit more i didnt get it

[uncut zephyr]

This is what mutations should be

Things that alter how you play not just a perk system to min max your dinosaur

[limber hull]

night vision goggles make UV light, that is undetectable to most creatures, but the NV allows you to see that wavelength. If a creature can see that UV light, they can track it to its source (NV goggles) and hunt the source

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/life-on-our-planet-komodo-dragon-lizard-licking-lips-saliva-gif-18173023700186752288

[limber hull]

exactly

unique niches that change how you interact, rather than "I WISH THAT THE DEATHMATCH HAD MORE WAYS TO BE MORE OF A DEATHMATCH"

Adding deathmatch perks to counter deathmatch perks is the height of this lol

[uncut zephyr]

Damage perks are so uninteresting and lazy but they also make every other perk a much worse choice if you actually want to survive

So not only does it actively discourage picking unique mutations but it also means that people who do pick them are almost always going to be at a disadvantage in a fight

[limber hull]

essentially, yes

[barren crater]

Those mutations would be pretty nutty on Carno. Especially executioner

Day walker Carno with executioner and cannibalism mutations. I'm missing 1 slot but who knows what the other option would be

[limber hull]

the fact that we see a meta so early that we already have "counter mutations" is concerning lol

[barren crater]

Pretty sure they said they tuned some of them down at least

iirc they'd remove problematic ones as well

[limber hull]

I imagine any level of balance testing will immediately establish what the meta is

They can easily record the most picked

[uncut zephyr]

Feel like it’ll just be any flat stat increases

[limber hull]

Ideally we just avoid those lol

[uncut zephyr]

I will be, I want to take interesting things not just 10% more stamina or something lame like that

[upbeat isle]

Is this something the community really wants?

[latent olive]

those arent the most up to date images

[desert arch]

That version isnt coming to the game

[uncut zephyr]

@limber hull equilibrium

There must be balance in the votes

For anything you support I oppose

[tight iron]

dw about this one aint coming

[hidden mist]

@maiden anvil splendid animation

[maiden anvil]

Thank you

[barren zephyr]

@gloomy reef #general-feedback message

Problem is meteor showers/waves cause unwanted frame rate issues/ping issues, and I am pretty sure the devs don't want that, its the main reason stuff like it isn't added afaik.

[limber hull]

there's a reason we don't have random lightning strikes killing us like BoB

they would not make a meteor shower

[gloomy reef]

level 1 can just be images

like the grass

its not actualmodel its just images

[limber hull]

these meteors wont ever hit populated spaces “NorthEast, East plains ect” (they normally hit around the left side of the map and will cause death if under the impact zone)

also wtf is this. Why would you have even more reason to hide in the already overpopulated zones

[gloomy reef]

why would they hit populated areas 😭

[limber hull]

why would they not?

they're meteors, they don't care.

[gloomy reef]

i dont wanna be roaming around as a stego and then i get hit by a level 4 meteor

[limber hull]

then don't add a level 4 meteor

[gloomy reef]

these are mainly for immersion

not killing people

[limber hull]

if they can kill people, it's bad

[gloomy reef]

no..

[limber hull]

the game does NOT need a random spontaneous death event they can't dodge

you wanna know how you get people to leave the game? Adding that

[gloomy reef]

Yall just dont want a another way to die

[limber hull]

I want to be able to exist out of east plains

[gloomy reef]

brodie

[limber hull]

You are ENSURING that no one ever leaves again

[gloomy reef]

thats why i said they wont hit populated areas

read what i say

[limber hull]

Which I think is silly

I want to exist outside of the hotspots

I don't want the game to literally enforce hotspots at risk of METEOR STRIKE

[gloomy reef]

i dont servers aint big enough for that yet

[limber hull]

That's literally the opposite of solving the hotspot issue

[gloomy reef]

wha bro i fr said it wont hit hotspots

is u good? Like fr

[limber hull]

exactly

the issue is it won't hit hotspots

[gloomy reef]

Yea..

Ok riddle me this what is there to do in the isle currently

Thats fun to do

[limber hull]

don't know what that has to do with meteorites

[gloomy reef]

combat thats the answer

[limber hull]

no

[gloomy reef]

now hotspots are fr combat zones if u want to fight

And this aint enforcing hotspots

Just because theres a 1 in a 2000 chance of a mid sized meteor hitting far away from people doesnt mean people will leave

[limber hull]

exploration is one, but that's punished by meteorite/tsunami, do not DARE try to explore

you can ONLY have fun via combat, otherwise you're playing wrong

[limber hull]

hit them with meteorites

[gloomy reef]

Yea aint sure this guy read what i said.

hey mr rat whats a chance?

[limber hull]

i think meteors are dumb either way, but I'd rather them just nuke the hotspot than the other way around

[gloomy reef]

explain what a chance is to me

now apply it to what u said

Most people dont want to explore maybe as a tera yes but not as there fully grown cera or carno, pachy stego or teno

U aint gnna go swim in the ocean just to die by a tsunami

[limber hull]

Chance is a random event. Now my question. Is dying to chance fun? Is losing hours of your time to a random chance encounter fun?

Do you want to have your time wasted becasue you didn't stay within the hotspot combat zones (because you don't like combat) and got nuked by pure chance from a meteor? That's the real question of the hour

[gloomy reef]

Survial game left the chat, reading what left the chat.

The biggest meteor will only kill u if u are FR UNDER IT

[limber hull]

Name a survival game that has a mechanic that instantly kills you due to chance.

[gloomy reef]

aint no nike

[gloomy reef]

bro forgot u can still instantly die from a game mechanic

[limber hull]

What survival game?

Has a mechanic like that

[gloomy reef]

The isle

[gloomy reef]

let me cook

[limber hull]

How so? What randomly kills you due to chance

[gloomy reef]

i saw one that gave me the idea

it has floods

[gloomy reef]

fall damage water

stego wipping utah and anything below it

[limber hull]

fall damage = look at the cliff
water = lol what are you not managing your stam
stego = you can outrun it and simply not engage, that ain't chance

none of those are chance

[gloomy reef]

most cliffs have bushes if u belive it or not

Aint sure a utah can out stam a 8 ton deino

stego some people just want to fight belive it or not

[limber hull]

deino ain't chance

[gloomy reef]

not everyone wants to go explore the map

[limber hull]

and you can run away from that stego. That ain't a chance issue. That's a skill issue

[gloomy reef]

it is theres a chance theres a deino in the water theres a chance u might die

[gloomy reef]

not if u have lots of ping cough cough the isle

[limber hull]

high ping or not, omni is much faster. You ain't dying to a stego unless you wanted to fight or you ain't paying attention

[gloomy reef]

Bro stego is a one shot i am saying if a utah pack is trying to kill a stego chances are 1 of u is getting one shot

[limber hull]

thats not chance

[gloomy reef]

theres a really cool mechanic in this game called hunger

[limber hull]

find something else to eat, AI literally spawns on you now

[gloomy reef]

idk whats wrong with ur gameplay but i aint growing a dino purley to eat ai and travel the map to find cool spots to take photos when u can fr do that irl and not in a survival horror game where the main mechanic is to fr fight

[limber hull]

the main mechanic is not fighting, the game is not built around fighting

[gloomy reef]

it is buckoroo

[limber hull]

that mindset is something the devs are avoiding, idk what to tell you man

deathmatch ain't in their vision

[gloomy reef]

ik but the main mechanic is still to fight

[limber hull]

not even a mechanic

fighting is just a playstyle

[gloomy reef]

the main playstyle that everyone has prob bought the isle for

[limber hull]

not true

[gloomy reef]

why did u buy the isle

[limber hull]

survival/horror play as a dino game

[gloomy reef]

nah rlly but what did u want to do when u growed ur dino?

[limber hull]

survive

[gloomy reef]

or what did u do

[gloomy reef]

this guy i am speaking about mechanics

[limber hull]

survive

legit idk what else to tell you except i wanted to survive

[gloomy reef]

U obviously didnt survive if u didnt fight

[limber hull]

i wasnt playing this game to engage in the central deathmatch

[ivory sandal]

pretty sure what he's trying to ask you wave is how you were surviving

[gloomy reef]

if u hunt what are u doing?

hunt ai hunt players what are u doing

what mechanic are u using?

[limber hull]

i'm not throwing myself into hotspots to constantly fight other players, that's the difference. I fail to see how "occasionally fighting" means that it's ALL YOU CAN DO EVER AND THAT'S IT

[gloomy reef]

only fun thing to do

[limber hull]

Untrue

[gloomy reef]

nesting aint fun anymore

travelling the map is boring

[limber hull]

I scavenged food, hid from predators, found cool nooks and crannies to nest in or just set up at, interacted with players

[gloomy reef]

running around like a headless goose hoping i dont run into a player is boring

[limber hull]

this is almost entirely just objectively you speaking as if you speak for all

[ivory sandal]

I mean

Half the roster is encouraged to PvP by proxy of diets being managed best by player interaction

[limber hull]

i literally do not care that much about fighting and have never had it by my top priority

[gloomy reef]

no i am asking it for immersion

[gloomy reef]

thank you

[limber hull]

and that's fine, but there's a difference between "fighting when you need to" and "I stay in east plains to kill as many people as possible"

[gloomy reef]

bud listen for once

[limber hull]

you first

[gloomy reef]

whats the main mechanic people use

tell me, not you the people.

whats the main reason people buy this game

[barren zephyr]

to survive

[limber hull]

survival horror. It's not listed as a deathmatch on the steam page or in any of the marketing

[gloomy reef]

not other one

I cant with yall man

[limber hull]

people are buying the survival horror game for the survival horror experience, shocker

[gloomy reef]

How do u survive

tell me how do u survive

[barren zephyr]

The main reason people buy the isle is because they want to immerse themselves in a realistic survival horror experience

[gloomy reef]

How do u eat cas i know dam well if ur a carni u aint eating grass purley cas “I dont wanna fight”

[limber hull]

hiding, hunting, migrating, eating AI, scavenging, competing, socialising and fighting

but let's focus on one of those only to prove an arbitrary point

[gloomy reef]

😭

[gloomy reef]

Most of those requires fighting :0

[ivory sandal]

I'm pretty sure the reason why east plains is a Hotspot due to PvP is because of player biases

Everyone wants to play carnivore because they want to play their favorites, naturally biased to carnivores. Due to the constant surging carnivore popopulation, everyone needs to hunt. Because everyone needs to hunt, they corral themselves into East plains, the most open spot on Gateway besides maybe the highlands. And this cycle continues because now that everyone is corralled in E-Plains, that's where everyone required to hunt is and thus where everyone is encouraged to stay

If that makes sense

[limber hull]

no they literally do not

[gloomy reef]

hunting eating ai

[cyan flame]

Being able to fight, and fighting being fun at that, does not mean you should want to get into a fight, or that it should be good to do so

[limber hull]

you fight to hide? you fight to socialise? you fight to scavenge (the thing you do to avoid fighting)?

[gloomy reef]

and fighting? Woooah

[cyan flame]

A game about survival should not reward fighting, though I am not sure what this has to do with RNG in the game (which is a terrible idea)

[limber hull]

i actually have no idea what this has to do with meteors lol

[ivory sandal]

...isn't that kinda counterintuitive to the entire carnivore half of the roster though? Or at least, all of those above 1000 kilograms that is

[gloomy reef]

My bad bro next time ima not fight for food great idea

[limber hull]

that's literally viable

[gloomy reef]

lets ruin this game more to be a pacifist game guys

[limber hull]

i have played a cerato to full adult and never gotten in a single fight

[cyan flame]

No, it's not at all. Fighting out of neccessity should be a thing, but it should be a "I would really love it if I didnt have to, but I have no choice"

[limber hull]

fighting is not necessary. It is a pure choice

[gloomy reef]

the main choice believe it or not

[cyan flame]

I mean, if you have the choice between a long hunt/fight, a quick kill of a wounded/weakened target, or a scavenging opportinity, the latter one is prio 1, then the middle one, and only if you have no better choice, should you go for the full hunt/fight

[ivory sandal]

Screw the meteors, talking abt the fundamentals of the game is way more interesting

[limber hull]

And unfortunately, the constant fighting mindset is going to be punished with future updates, especially with elders and mutations, which will punish carelessness with less benefits than someone who carefully manages their survival, rather than bumrushing into the hotspot for an adrenaline rush

[gloomy reef]

if i am starving and there aint no ai around i am gnna fight anything i see purley to live, not what are u doing

[cyan flame]

" only if you have no better choice, should you go for the full hunt/fight "

[ivory sandal]

I mean, that's a very fair and valid point. Unfortunately, half the roster is forced to constantly be active in a combat cycle to manage deitary and starvation needs, constantly fighting out of necessity, no?

[cyan flame]

Yes, that is what I said too. I merely pointed out that a survival mindset means you don't want to get into a fight, not that you never have to, but that you're looking for better options

[limber hull]

That's literally why they reduced the hunger and thirst rate in a recent patch

[cyan flame]

Correct, but even so there are variations of it, see the whole choosing targets, scavenging, and so on

[gloomy reef]

that doesnt punish fighting bud that fr just punishes carlessness while fighting if ur not carless it doesnt punish u

[cyan flame]

My entire point is that you should always look for "how do I get what I need (food/water) with as little risk as possible"

[gloomy reef]

and i swear i am talking about this update? Not an update that will prob come out in 2 years

[cyan flame]

Rather than "I want to fight for my food". No, you want food, not the fight. If the thing you need dead happens to fall off a cliff because you jump scared it, then all the better, free kill for you

[ivory sandal]

But you're punished with objectively worse stats if you choose. You're tunneled into getting a perfect diet for the best stats, otherwise you just lose mirror matches and fights involving the other benefits to diets

[limber hull]

And your meteor idea is coming out lickity split I suppose?

[gloomy reef]

i want the food and the fight

[ivory sandal]

My issue is less hunger and a hell of a lot more on diets

[cyan flame]

No, that's if you choose to eat bad food. You can get diets even from scavenging, or killing an easier target, and so on

Nothing stops you from getting diet from the stego that fell down the cliff in the night, right?

You don't need to kill it, you just need it dead, and that is my point

[cyan flame]

And if you want the fight, then well, you can do so, but it should be detrimental overall to you if you choose that over survival needs

[gloomy reef]

no it was purley an idea for immersion not for some random guy to get pressed by it because he said “i want to explore as my dino and i dont want a meteor that has a insanly low chance of spawning let alone hitting you hit you

[cyan flame]

Why do you think an RNG event that can kill you, like lightning in BoB, is a good idea?

[limber hull]

the lower the chance, the less fun it is to die to it.

[gloomy reef]

i fr want to have fun when playing the isle not to survive and be scared of loosing my dino half the time

[ivory sandal]

No but if you try and do anything other than perfect diet you're just worse

You can't specialize, you're forced into doing what's best.

What if that Stegosaurus that died off a cliff in the night has already been eaten from? What if you never find it to begin with because you're playing an animal not intended to be in hilly regions to begin with? What if there are already other animals on the corpse?

[gloomy reef]

if ur right under the meteor

it will instantly kill u

[limber hull]

and that isn't fun, and it sucks

[ivory sandal]

If that Stegosaurus' contents do not contain what you require then it is of no use to you

[bold mason]

ya i find myself skipping the scavenger process quite a bit and prefer to risk my life for a self killed FULL meal, i dont think thats careless gameplay if ik confident i can win the fight

[gloomy reef]

maybe if yall read what i said instead of mindlessly disliking it and then crying about it in the feedback discussion channel maybe you would have an actual idea of what i want added.

[cyan flame]

Right, so you don't want to play a survival game, that's fine. But the Isle is meant to be a survival game, so yeah... If you don't find survival fun, then maybe this isn't the game for you

[limber hull]

i read it to full. i still don't like it

[ivory sandal]

Scavenging cannot guarantee your success on a dietary level due to it having an at least mild level of chance

[gloomy reef]

The main way to survive is to hunt bud

i aint gnna be scared just cas i dont want to fight

[ivory sandal]

What if Stegosaurus isn't on your diet?

What if that Stegosaurus isn't there?

There's too many factors to say "just scavenger don't hunt" when the carnivore playstyle actively facilitates active gameplay

[limber hull]

anything that includes "randomly getting killed by a meteorite" is a hard no. I don't care how unlucky you have to be, it's still killing you entirely because you were unlucky, not because you were bad at the game or survival

[limber hull]

it isnt lol

[gloomy reef]

….

[limber hull]

i have survived easily on every carnivore without a single fight. Not necessary

[gloomy reef]

this guy

[ivory sandal]

In fact, attempting to facilitate a relaxed gameplay style for carnivores runs contradictory to how carnivores play just as a whole

People play carnivores for activity and because 99% of people like the OC raptor or the fat crocodile, not because they want to survive

[gloomy reef]

main way to live is to hunt ai or to kill other players

Most people are not pasifists

[limber hull]

that's only if you're a carnivore, and even then, scavenging exists

[ivory sandal]

Which runs completely contradictory to the intended gameplay style of every carnivore in the game, except for Ceratosaurus and Deinosuchus

[limber hull]

i'm not a pacifist either, I just think this obsession you have with fighting is bizarre. It is not the entire crux of the game

[gloomy reef]

scavenging does exist but it aint the main way to get food

[cyan flame]

Well yes, but that's a diet issue, I have not at any point argued diet as it works is perfect (the diet lists are stupid, let carnis hunt what they can instead). I am merely talking about options that gives the same result. If you have the option to scavenge from a stego that fell down the cliff, killing a stego that is almost dead already due to the fall or having been attacked by others, or killing a fully healthy stego ready for battle, it should be obvious which of those are the best for your continued survival, given they all give you what you need.

Obviously the factors you added changes things, but that goes for everything. The point is that you should always look for the least dangerous, best option to get what you need. Nothing more or less. That is what survival is, how you approach a survival game. If you got three dead stegos, one is claimed by a trio of ceras, one by a group of omnis, and one by a lone carno, you pick the one that gives you the least resistance, not the one that will put up the greatest fight. And if you can scare off one of them without a fight at all, even better.

[gloomy reef]

ur scavenging off a body someone before u hunted

[cyan flame]

And how is this a good idea to you?

[gloomy reef]

this guy bro, Carnis irl hunt whatever the can

lions if they see a herd and they have a big pride and there hungry guess what buckaroo

there hunting one of the herd members

not because one of the lionessness are passivises snd they want to scavenge

[cyan flame]

Yes, I dislike the diet list, I think carnis should hunt what they're designed to, rather than going by a list

[ivory sandal]

I completely and utterly agree with this statement, however what I'm saying in return is that scavenging has so many factors which can change in an instant that it is unreliable for anything that isn't immediately designed for it

Also thank you for agreeing that diets are bad

[cyan flame]

But you're entirely missing the point I'm arguing

[ivory sandal]

Diets make me want to shave my forehead with a brick

[gloomy reef]

Thats stupid

[cyan flame]

We're kind of arguing different things. I'm not disagreeing that scavenging may not be viable, or that there are circumstances and all. I am arguing that you should always look for the least dangerous option.

[gloomy reef]

if ur in an ego system

[limber hull]

if a lion herd can find an elephant that spontaneously died, they're going to eat it over hunting a water buffalo, because the water buffalo will kick their ass

[cyan flame]

Because your main goal is to survive, not to fight

I am not saying you don't need to fight, I am saying the mindset should be "how can I get what I need with the least risk and the greatest reward", and not "I want to fight, fight fun"

[gloomy reef]

Whats the main thing a pride of lions do for food HUNT

[ivory sandal]

Actually no they sleep more than they're even active

[cyan flame]

You're more often liable to need to hunt than to be able to scavenge, and thus, finding a free kill should be a happy moment, rather than a "aw, now I don't get a fight"

[gloomy reef]

They sleep for food?

[cyan flame]

How so?

[ivory sandal]

No, they're not constantly hunting for food

[gloomy reef]

i said for food

”For”

…

[ivory sandal]

I saw the word free in that sentence in place of where food is

My bad ig

Free like free time

[gloomy reef]

That was my bad i am on my ipad rn and its hard to type

[cyan flame]

Like, no one is arguing carnis in the game don't need to hunt, or fight. Rather that if your main game goal is to get into fights, you're playing it "wrong"

[limber hull]

hunting is not the same as fighting for me. Hunting is done out of necessity. Fighting is done because you can.

This is what I don't like about The Isle's obsession with "fighting". They go to east plains, eat mainly AI, and then leave the rest of the corpses to rot because they filled on AI. Go to East Plains and tell me how many people actually finish the food from their hunt, rather than living on AI and only using kills for a quick nutrient boost before moving onto their next victim.

legit sniff the air in east plains. There's dozens of unfinished corpses lying around, rotting

[bold mason]

whats any of this have to do with the game randomly choosing a random player to kill for no mistake of the player?

[limber hull]

they are not fighting to survive, they are fighting because they want to. That is the kind of "unnecessary risk" I'm talking about when referencing fighting

[bold mason]

i love fighting and hunting in this game but i never want to lose a dino to a meteor....

[limber hull]

Great question! I have absolutely no idea

[ivory sandal]

It's conversation evolution

@evolution deniers when I tell them to have a conversation

[cyan flame]

Nothing, two different convos. RNG is questionable at best in a game like this, and shouldn't be a thing.

[limber hull]

I said it was silly that you wouldn't be hit if you were in East Plains, because that would only encourage hotspots even more, and then we somehow went down the path of "everything fights therefor hotspots should be protected so more fighting can take place uninterrupted by my unfun meteor mechanic"

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't it, if anything, make sense if the meteor dropped on the hotspots, thus cleaning them out

You don't want to die, spread out, go off on your own adventures and all that

[ivory sandal]

Questionable is the limit for RNG? Try absolutely horrendous, god forbid what lie below that tier

[cyan flame]

Hence why I said "at best" xD I am not at all in favour of any RNG moments in the game

[ivory sandal]

Sure do love playing BoB and getting sent to the character selection screen because I didn't play an aquatic or Apatosaurus and got hit by Zeus' thunderbolt

[limber hull]

"Meteor Proof" Mutation for The Isle is clearly the solution

Reduces incoming meteor damage

[ivory sandal]

Aye aye all I'm saying us that questionable ain't the "at best" point

If it's questionable that means it's bearable and death-RNG is unbearable at minimum

[cyan flame]

Fair enough!

[ivory sandal]

Nah just make meteors one-shot everything but apexes which facilitates the usage of apexes even more (looking at BoB again)

[limber hull]

:)

[normal lotus]

Better idea: delete east plains.

[limber hull]

pre sure thats legit planned lol

[ivory sandal]

Speaking of apexes, I wonder if trike and rex are going to be more powerful in a fair way or more powerful in an uber god OC-fest way

Trike is probably the lesser of the two evils here but it's worth the thought for it too

Because if it's slower than stego that'd be like

Kinda strange especially consideringnthe presumably eight and a half tonne animal is galloping

[bold mason]

thats prob the main reason for no rex, its not balanced

[limber hull]

I'm hoping Trike stomps Rex lol

[normal lotus]

Apparently they're 50/50

[limber hull]

ew

looking bad already for Trike lol

unless Trike is faster than Rex which is

uh

silly

[bold mason]

i thought it was diabloceratops not trike and rex never coming...

[limber hull]

trike and rex are coming like, right after diablo

unofficial only but still

[bold mason]

ya... not still lol

unofficial will always be unbalanced zoo... not even worth bring balance into it

[limber hull]

what?

[ivory sandal]

As a Blazing trike fan

I bloody hope so

[limber hull]

as a stable ecosystem fan, I hope so

[ivory sandal]

Will it happen?

Probably not

Should it happen?

yes

[limber hull]

I don't care about Trike that much, I just want Rex to have to think about engaging a Trike

given that rex has the speed advantage, it controls if the engagement happens in the first place

[ivory sandal]

Trike is irl the objectively strongest non-sauropid dinosaur (I rlly hate to use an irl example but A: this is my boy B: they should stay at least kinda true to real animals somewhat)

I hope that power is represented well

[ivory sandal]

Yeah

[limber hull]

it literally ADAPTED around rex. It is SCIENTIFICALLY the best built to kick Rex's overevolved ass

[latent olive]

shantungosaurus

[ivory sandal]

Is not the strongest. Triceratops bests that monster even with the huge size disparity

Trike takes everything besides size and strength, and speed. Everything is in the Triceratops' favor