general-feedback-discussion

[humble pollen]

i just dont feel like its nice having them running around with dinos man

[limber hull]

i think it's awesome, idk what the problem is

[humble pollen]

idk its weird for me

[limber hull]

we have biological nightmares like omniraptors

and stegosaurus living in the same ecosystem as rex

[desert arch]

If the devs can pull off humans while being balanced and fun that will basically secure the games succes

[limber hull]

which is arguably worse, since the time gap between them is greater than the timegap between rex and humans

[desert arch]

for a very long time

[barren zephyr]

humans are only cool if I can suplex small dinos with them

[limber hull]

you can kick them

[barren zephyr]

that's not as cool tho

[desert arch]

or put them in a box

[limber hull]

i dont think you can put them in a box

[barren zephyr]

I want to crab a baby carno and just slam it down

[desert arch]

werent there small cages shown in #isle-phase-three ?

[limber hull]

yea, but those are mainly for dino interaction and setpieces

[desert arch]

:/

[limber hull]

very unlikely to actually be a mechanic

[humble pollen]

i think many people might leave the game just for the humans being added fr tho

[desert arch]

oh well, it makes sense

[limber hull]

because locking people in cages would be... horrid

like, dear God

[desert arch]

yea its isnt fun

[limber hull]

why, lol

as long as the humans aren't oppressive, it's literally not an issue

[humble pollen]

just the idea you know? im sure many people wont like that

[limber hull]

i mean... they should've known by now

[desert arch]

unofficials can probably disable humans

[humble pollen]

many people think that this game takes place at those very old times so when they see humans they will be surprised and they might not like them

[desert arch]

adding humans was always the plan

[limber hull]

what from the human structures, mutant dinosaurs, very purposely "tech-y" UI, giant electrical wall, so on

[humble pollen]

if i wont like them i might play on them

[humble pollen]

yeah ik

[desert arch]

playing as a human would be one of the best horror game experiences ever

[limber hull]

the fact that the roster is literally a hodgepodge of random animals from completely different time periods and locations across the planet doesn't really make it take part in those times

[humble pollen]

thats kinda true lol

[desert arch]

since you cannot abuse any ai or game mechanic to glich/survive

[limber hull]

it's literally already true, playing as a human is horrifying

it's so goddamn fun, i wish they weren't bugged

[desert arch]

the only thing i dont like about humans is proximity vc

[humble pollen]

well maybe they should just not put them in all the servers in case there will be problems

[limber hull]

dude that's what i like most

i ADORE proxy VC, and on humans, dear GOD that sounds sweet

[desert arch]

someone blasting music while your whole squad is getting massacred is pretty immersion ruining imo

[humble pollen]

lol

[limber hull]

that's why you shoot the soundpad user in the braincage

[desert arch]

playing horror games with friends and other people also makes the game less scary

[humble pollen]

maybe with rules that wont happen

[urban flax]

How can people still believe the game is happening in the mesozoic (apart from the fact we see dinos separated by millions of years together, and fictional ones)
There's human strucutres
The plants are modern ones
There's grass everywhere

[desert arch]

that would be hard to keep track on, like there would have to be an admin near them at all times

[limber hull]

seeing a teno going "uwu looking for strong male bull to help me nest in healthy young :3" is also pretty immersion breaking but we have to cope with that

[humble pollen]

many people dont know when every dino existed

[dark osprey]

Depends on the music, would end up looking like something from guardians of the galaxy XD

[humble pollen]

true

[desert arch]

at least you can ignore the text

[urban flax]

Well it probably isn't that hard for such people to believe humans coexisted with dinos then, heh ?

[limber hull]

you can ignore the music by simply beating the music player to death

[humble pollen]

xd

[limber hull]

that's what i plan to do

[desert arch]

ehh

[limber hull]

like, proxy VC is SO much more immersive and fun

[desert arch]

it would also lock out some of the players who dont speak english from playing humans, unless they have lots of friends

[humble pollen]

well with humans or without them i just want GATEWAY nowww

[limber hull]

I refuse to live in the world where I CAN'T hear my mate scream bloody murder from inside a forest then just go silent

[desert arch]

same

[humble pollen]

i wanna see lakes and more stuff not just RIVERS

[desert arch]

But i see the reasoning for vc, I just dont like it

[humble pollen]

Im 50/50 on that

[urban flax]

Only if VC is the only option, and only if it's mandatory to use

[humble pollen]

i dont think it will be mandatory

[limber hull]

i personally don't want text chat to be an alternative

but that's just me

[desert arch]

still, how would text based communication work? would an ai read it out? would it be hand signed? If yes that would be op since it doesnt make sounds

[urban flax]

Not just you
Babylon thought that as well

[desert arch]

You could give it a general grunt, but thats ehh

[urban flax]

It would be like a small box at the bottom left on the screen
You press a special key that allows you to type in there, and then you send the message like you would send an e-mail
And everyone in the vicinity can read your message in their own little box at the bottom-left corner of the screen

As for the sound, I guess radio static like devs already mentioned

[humble pollen]

when do yall believe gateway will come out? im so bored of Spiro

[desert arch]

for other humans as well?

[humble pollen]

its a terrible map

[desert arch]

this year

[humble pollen]

bro we might die next month 💀 😂

[limber hull]

i have a feeling the plan is for this month

[urban flax]

What else should they hear, when someone is typing a message on their PDA/whatever fits the lore ?

[humble pollen]

i feel like it will come in 2-3 months HOPEFULLY

[limber hull]

eh, i dont think so

[desert arch]

id say next month

[limber hull]

i genuinely believe it's this month

[desert arch]

dont want to get my hopes high

[humble pollen]

same

[urban flax]

I need Dondi's "Q3 for gateway would be too long".

[desert arch]

id rather be surprised that its "early"

[limber hull]

i personally don't get too hopeful, but for this, there's a LOT of hints indicating Gateway's imminent arrival

[humble pollen]

me too

[desert arch]

true, devblog rly got some peoples hopes high

[humble pollen]

it got mine too lol

[limber hull]

i feel the amount of hints devs have been dropping suggests very much the plan is this month

along with the stress tester team rework and the recent mass updates to the stress testing branch

[humble pollen]

i hope you are right im sooo bored of spiro this map sucks literally in every aspect

it limits the gameplay way too much

beaches are not quite accesible, too many cliffs, too much vegetation, every spot looks almost the same

and more

[urban flax]

Spiro has one landmark and it's a pile of rocks

[humble pollen]

yeah lol

i literally got bored of playing these days

also i personally like aquatic creatures a lot too and you can only play deino and beipi is literally a joke...

and deino takes forever to grow

[urban flax]

And rivers are boring

[humble pollen]

yeah , i wait for gateway because it has lakes

spiro has a swamp which is kinda cool but literally nobody goes there

and there arent many fish there either considering the size of the swamp

[desert arch]

if people actually went to the swamp spiro may not suck as much

[humble pollen]

it would suck less for sure

if every deino was not at center

[desert arch]

teno rock is a cool place

[humble pollen]

i like alot how big the swamp is but i almost never find someone there

[limber hull]

gateway rules based on my time playing

[humble pollen]

when im there as a dino i can literally swim across and i know i will most likely be safe from deinos lol

while its a huge place

while at center as soon as you touch water ur dead lol

except if you go to a few safe spots that the water is swallow to cross or drink

i just think that rivers are so lame they make the game bad af

also dont get me wrong i like playing deino but its kinda fked the fact that a 40% deino can literally grab and drown a fully grown cera

[urban flax]

Yeah the way lunge works is terrible

[humble pollen]

yeah def

[urban flax]

It's got absolutely nothing to make it interesting

You see a dino, you press right click, either you get a kill, either it does nothing
There's nothing else going for it

[humble pollen]

true

i dont understand how not even a half grown deino can lunge and drown the 2 biggest carnivores in the game rn even if they are fully grown and the deino is like 45% or even less

[limber hull]

because the two "biggest carnivores" are very small in the overall roster

[urban flax]

And half-grown deino weighs a lot

[humble pollen]

yeah obviously but thats just not right imo

many times i underestimated small deinos as a cera that weighs even less than a carno

also it doesnt make sense that the biggest herbivore is the stego and the biggest carni is the carno like tf

[urban flax]

biggest carni is deino

[humble pollen]

well i mean on land

[urban flax]

The disparity is even worse in the water ecosystem

Where the smallest thing is beipi, and second smallest is deino

[humble pollen]

also do you guys believe that there are way too many crocs or it just seems like it because there are too many at center?

like very often you see more than 10 in center so idk how many are in the other areas as well

[urban flax]

The average number of deinos in a full server is 30/40

I think the ideal number shoul dbe 1/2

[humble pollen]

40?? 💀

[urban flax]

yeah

[humble pollen]

i think 1/2 is not enough at all but 30-40 is way too many

[urban flax]

2 deinos is a full group
It's enough to make the water scary

[humble pollen]

i dont think i agree with that

maybe if there was like one- two for every area at least then it would be scary

but not in total

[urban flax]

Deinos are so useless in the ecosystem I don't see the point of having more than 2
people always complain things as hypsi are a wasted slot, but deino is much more useless imo

smh those same people also complain there aren't enough hypsis

[humble pollen]

dryo is the most useless and rare

[desert arch]

dryo is at least not invincible

[humble pollen]

nobody plays it and it dies from just one bite from a cera

[desert arch]

also food source

[urban flax]

Dryo can serve as a prey to every animal
It's the opposite of useless

[humble pollen]

well its bad tho if its a playable that is only prey

also in which diets is the dryo in? i forgot

[urban flax]

It's better than something that is neither prey or even interactable with

[humble pollen]

i see your point

bro what is naughty nigel on? if a user with an overcloked ryzen 5, 32 gb ram and rtx 2060 super is having performance issues then the game is doomed i shouldnt be in the position to upgrade my setup

[urban flax]

trolling, as usual

[humble pollen]

yeah

i dont think my pc is bad at all

it shouldnt have difficulties in any area of the map

the game is just optimized badly you shoudnt need a nasa super computer to never lag

ive heard that even people with gpus rtx 3090+ with ryzen 7 are lagging at center many times

the graphics are quite good dont get me wrong but still

[sudden tapir]

Pretty much all stuttering on my end stopped after upgrading my CPU

[urban flax]

Performance was worse at evrima launch

[humble pollen]

yeah ive heard that

[sudden tapir]

Even then I get 220~ fps when lumen is turned off.

[humble pollen]

what cpu do u have now and what did you have in the past?

with that gpu

[sudden tapir]

7950X3D with a 7900XT

Old PC had a i9-9900 and a GTX 1080.

I still bench my old rig and it gets a pretty easy 100fps, and it is by no means a high end PC

[humble pollen]

bro that literally proves my point 😂 💀

both of these cpus are beasts

and even the gtx 1080 is pretty decent

how can you say that an i9 9900 is not high end?

just because the 13000 series exist now that doesnt make the i9 9900 bad or average

you actually helped me prove my point lol

[sinful yoke]

when??

https://tenor.com/view/pachy-pachycephalosaurus-dinosaur-fighting-head-gif-17281024

this si pachycerasaurs

[humble pollen]

im just starting to think they either dont know how to optimize well the game or they dont wanna spend money, cuz its just insane that evrima was even harder to run at the launch when it didnt even have engine 5 like now for better graphics

[desert arch]

Pachyrhino

Pachycephalo

[sinful yoke]

that is tricerapos

[desert arch]

not the same

[desert arch]

bruuuuuuuuuuh

[humble pollen]

XD

[sinful yoke]

ok are you stupsi

https://tenor.com/view/triceratops-challenging-trex-roar-roaring-gif-17304311

[polar ore]

https://tenor.com/view/duh-sarcastic-whatever-gif-14260369

[urban flax]

no one is stupsi here

[sinful yoke]

tricera is the one with big head Armor

[desert arch]

where do you see the 3 horns on this thing?!

[polar ore]

Pahcisaurus?

[humble pollen]

he imagines them

[sinful yoke]

some tricea do not have horns

some does

it is beauty of dinosaurus

[desert arch]

then thats a different species

[sinful yoke]

?????

[desert arch]

by this logic all birds are the same lmao

[sinful yoke]

no

[desert arch]

yes

[sinful yoke]

bird is not like swan

[desert arch]

a swan is a bird

[sinful yoke]

ok i am done with your

stupis

[humble pollen]

lmao

[desert arch]

wth was this conversation...

[narrow field]

stupis

[humble pollen]

xd

[sick crescent]

@full pewter I don't think Magy should be heavier than Carno, but it being equal to Tenonto seems fine by me.

[humble pollen]

i agree

[sick crescent]

That's implying 1600kg Tenonto, hoping they still don't nerf it again once Diablo comes into the game.

[full pewter]

Idk, I’m just trying to think of ways to make it viable. It being smaller than allo already puts it in a precarious position. Granted we don’t know enough of its combat prowess for now

[sick crescent]

Magy is in a similar situation to Diablo and Kentro when it comes to Allo and Alberto yeah, they'll likely just be forced to live in specialized biomes made for them.

[full pewter]

I’ve even thought of scaling it up to Acro size, and renaming it saltasaurus lol

[sick crescent]

Sanctuaries²

[full pewter]

That’s not gonna prevent players who don’t care from roaming abroad, especially if they know that Dino’s in other biomes can’t fight back

[full pewter]

Sanctuaries won’t necessarily prevent larger Dino’s from entering right, they’re just build to accommodate smaller tiers and juvis

[sick crescent]

Going to be difficult to balance this indeed without gimping Allo and Alberto simply for the existence of 3 Herbivores.

[sick crescent]

Yeah pretty much, also bees.

[full pewter]

I think my solution is scaling down allo and Alberto’s weight, they were roughly the same weight irl and weren’t “that” much heavier than carno

Irl allo was about 2 tons, carno was about 1-1.5

For big allos I’ll note

[limber hull]

it's dirty cheater oh my god

god i love him

[sick crescent]

Nah

[full pewter]

What’s your idea

[sick crescent]

It could be that they're slower than them but better at escaping in their own biomes, Herbivores are pretty much being biome locked already starting with Gateway.

Currently Dryo is slower than Omni, but does fine because it's small and agile enough to escape.

You could make it so they don't leave as much footprints for example.

[limber hull]

i'd have magy have inverse cera effect. Every bite attack done on the magy inflicts a foul taste that, unlike bacteria, makes you puke the HIGHER your food is. Either you
A: Take it slow enough that your foul taste wears off and you can attack again
B: Cop the pukes

[sick crescent]

However to make a MAGYAROSAURUS agile... ehhh

[full pewter]

Let’s be honest how often do we need to rely on foot prints

[sick crescent]

I've thought about this, it seems kind of overpowered.

[limber hull]

not really

anything that isn't a bite is fair game

[full pewter]

Agreed

[limber hull]

and, most importantly, you can just... not hunt magy

which is kind of the point

it's purely defensive

headbutts, rams, any non-bite attack doesn't proc the effect

(pounces do because you are biting while pouncing)

[sick crescent]

You don't want to make it too similar to Pachyrhino, sadly.

[limber hull]

i'd also give magy bleed resist

[full pewter]

I’ve thought of similar things when I heard the devs say it’s poisonous, it’s the best way to go about it but still seems a bit tooo out there

[limber hull]

it's not poisonous, it tastes horrid

[full pewter]

That’s one way to put it

[limber hull]

there are real creatures that rely on foul flavour to invoke vomiting/spitting to escape

[sick crescent]

Maybe make it so Magy uses an ability that temporarily covers it with something?

[limber hull]

that's the literal way to put it, it just tastes bad

[limber hull]

i'd rather the flavour be constant

like it's almost a "sweat" that it constantly creates from its body, a defensive layer of foul-tasting fluid that coats its body

[sick crescent]

Magy would be kind of overpowered as a griefing playable with this.

[limber hull]

how?

[sick crescent]

It sits there and you can’t attack it without puking.

[limber hull]

again, you literally don't bite it, it doesn't do the thing

[sick crescent]

Like imagine the Magy bodyguarding lol

[limber hull]

then leave

imagine an anky bodyguarding, you're gonna have to cope

there's nothing you can do to move it from that spot

[full pewter]

Just leave the area when someone body guards, they’ll leave in time

[limber hull]

i remain by the fact that bodyguarding is a ridiculous non-issue, and a magy would be wise to avoid giving animals a reason to fight it

[sick crescent]

I mean this is what I say, but you know isle players.

[full pewter]

True true lol

[sick crescent]

The Magy would just get bored and leave

[limber hull]

I legitimately do not see an issue with giving an animal a unique defense that makes it only really viable for ceras to hunt it, while playing into its foul flavour in a meaningful way, rather than it only mattering AFTER the magy is dead

[sick crescent]

Viable for Cerato and Large enough Apexes tbh

[full pewter]

If we’re gonna go on the taste concept, what if Magy gets it from the food it eats like tree frogs get their poison. And it has to regularly maintain it

[limber hull]

and deino, because deino can't puke and does not care

[limber hull]

i'd think that's cool, but IDK

[latent olive]

How forget Maygysars? the Ceratisaurs foot

[sick crescent]

That works great to counter Magy griefing a bit

[full pewter]

It’s funny how far we’re going just to make this tiny sauropod work

Everyone knows an island dwarf sauropod just can’t work in this setting conceptually

[limber hull]

i personally just love it

i also love the idea of it having this foul flavour, as it feels like a really cool unique adaptation you'd see in real ecosystems

every ecosystem has the wildcard, magy is cool for that

[full pewter]

Fair fair, wonder how it’ll all play out, I still tho think it should be way heavy for its size

[sick crescent]

I have another proposal

Biting a Magy on its neck and body giving you head fracture damage

[full pewter]

Giving Magy or the aggressor fracture?

[sick crescent]

aggressor

[full pewter]

How is that happening though? Like how is the aggressor getting fracture? I’d understand loosing teeth but not straight up breaking the skull

I do think it’d be cool if ankys armor mechanic could somewhat apply to magy

[urban flax]

How does a predator gets their skull fractured from biting someone's neck ?

People would report it as a bug constantly

[limber hull]

i still think bad taste magy should be fully played into

punish those who think running at herbivore and biting it should result in food

[urban flax]

You mean like this ?
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1126510295674798131
:P

[limber hull]

i actually want the stacking to be inverse

the MORE food you have, the faster you vomit

you attack magy out of desperation if anything

[urban flax]

It makes sense

[limber hull]

i also just like the idea of a herbivore that actually is... bad for carnivores to attack

like god forbid, a carni sees a herbi and the herbi isn't destined for a fight to the death for being within the line of sight of the carni

[urban flax]

Sadly, we live in a world in which cerato kills carno

[barren zephyr]

skill issue 🙂

[urban flax]

That's not my point

[barren zephyr]

haha, yeah, I didn't read your discussion, just had good opprtunity to say it

[urban flax]

You don't understand what we were talking about

[barren zephyr]

didn't read, yes

[full pewter]

Is it that ludicrous for a cerato to kill a carno? Note it’s still a very difficult matchup on the ceratos end in the first place

[urban flax]

What I mean is that cerato has to be able to kill carno in order to survive
There is no "not worth the fight" option in the game
Which cera should have been

[full pewter]

I see your point, ceras however are very tough with big carcasses, so I see it more as ceras needing to exercise a more stealthy playstyle and avoid conflict with carnos if at all possible. Though I do think they should more easily be capable of fighting carnos, it’s funny how the devs call them tanky when they’re as frail as they are without body buffs

[limber hull]

they've literally never called them tanky lol

it's so weird how people are just projecting this onto the devs lol

[urban flax]

Cerato isn't frail, people just expect it to go fight things way above its size range

[limber hull]

i genuinely don't know where this comes from either

like, it's been described as sturdy, defensive and difficult to remove from a corpse

but never tanky

and frankly, having it be tanky would, imho, make the animal worse

it encourages facetanking even more, which is a woefully dull style of combat

i honestly never saw the appeal of cera just... being tanky. It doesn't need it, like, at all

[barren zephyr]

cera so funny noisy dog, I like to walk up and yoink their meats

[whole furnace]

@buoyant pike people will fight ¯_(ツ)_/¯ it’s just what people do

A great example of this is cera. It’s not supposed to be able to hunt things well, but people use it as a hunter and they do it well

My point being that people are gonna do what they want so might as well let the rest of us have fun

[buoyant pike]

if its not supposed to hunt why would it have the bile mechanic i feel like its designed for extended combat

but maybe thats just a misinterpretation

on another note. am i the only person who cant ever find frogs, crabs, or rabbits

it feels like they dont even exist

[whole furnace]

It’s supposed to be a scavenger/corpse bully but it’s not really used as such. Tbf the current map just encourages fighting anyway, forcing everyone to go to hotspots to survive or else risk dying to starvation. Hopefully Gateway alleviates this a little by givin everyone a little more room to spread out.

[rare fractal]

Well tbf

Cerato also has an incredible stamina economy

[whole furnace]

That’s true

[rare fractal]

So it’s not like it has to be a scavenger or a bully when it’s already the games most competent hunter bar Omni

[whole furnace]

Outstamming everything on the map so it can just get free hits

[rare fractal]

It’s just bizarre for it

[whole furnace]

I hope every other playables’ stam gets buffed when we get gateway since it’s such a huge map

[rare fractal]

Oh same I’ve wanted global stam giga buffs for awhile

[whole furnace]

Fr it feels like I can only run a few feet before my dino’s out of breath xD

[rare fractal]

Especially on Carno

[whole furnace]

Oh yeah carno got hit the hardest this update

[rare fractal]

Mhm, it’s niche has never been more confusing

The only thing it’s good at ironically is 1v1ing cerato’s

In every other context it gets embarrassed

[whole furnace]

Yeah they did carno real dirty

They should’ve just left it as it was minus the horrendous hitbox

It was chef’s kiss in U6

And pachy

Pachy is so weak now it makes me sad

[barren zephyr]

look at it, it's not supposed to be strong. It's a dog with a helmet

[desert arch]

What pachy needs is more run time and a better trot speed to escape ceras. Its matchup against carno is fine, even with just a body fracture it can easily run away.

[fathom tulip]

Are they removing stegosaurus?

I keep seeing it talked about

[desert arch]

It will get moved to unofficials after it receives its full kit to combat rex.

[fathom tulip]

Where is this info from? Was it posted in #isle-discussion by a dev or something?

[desert arch]

Kissen said it herself

[full pewter]

I’m sure it’s only temporary while the roster gets set out, maybe we could get officials that allow apexes and some that don’t.

[desert arch]

That would be the dream

[fathom tulip]

Honestly not looking forward to Apexes at all, glad they won't be on officials

Legacy was practically nothing but Apexes and the occasional Utah

When Tyrannosaurus outnumbers every other animal on the Island you know the ecosystem has failed

[strange wave]

@flat ruin im assuming that the player would be sent to respawn screen so they arent forced to watch a cutscene of them being eaten for 5 minutes

[flat ruin]

I mean

Where's the fun in that

[strange wave]

[faint folio]

@flat ruin animation wise, that could work, but from a mechanical standpoint, when bleed hits zero the dino needs to "die" (eg, player gets deceased screen and is sent back to character select)

As a hunter, eating prey alive is really cool

As the prey, getting locked into your dino for 2-3 minutes and forced to stop playing and watch a mini movie of your dino getting eaten is not fun

If I want to watch a movie, I'll go watch Jurassic park. If I want to play a game, I want to spend the time actually playing (as opposed to being stuck in queue or forced to afk grow/die)

[flat ruin]

Isn't stuff like deinos lunge the same thing

U get locked for a while as u drown

And then you die

[cyan flame]

It is, and it's not fun, so little sense in adding more of that

[flat ruin]

I thought it would be fun little addition to watch that happen so instead of getting angry at the Dino selection screen bc u lost your Dino, you can rage at a little 30 second animation of ur character veing eaten alive

[fathom tulip]

No because you can still potentially survive that. It's not fun to sit there KNOWING you are already technically dead from bleeding out and having to wait

It playing an animation just for the predators with the player having been sent back to the select screen is kinda cool though

[flat ruin]

When fighting raptors you already know your gunna die once ur blood hits 20-30% anyways so why not add an extra 30 sec

[uncut dagger]

@brittle kiln so if you acidentally hit the kentro u were protecting as a stego u dont think that should kill it is that what u tryna say?

[fathom tulip]

Because why add an extra 30 seconds you have to wait? Why do you feel the need for the player to have to wait when you can just add an animation for the predators?

[flat ruin]

Why not

[uncut dagger]

@flat ruin i like the idea to make an fall-over animation instead of the thing just becoming a rag doll but cmon dont force us to watch it

[lyric pollen]

#general-feedback message it is a straight one for one of troodon venom that replaces stam loss with bleed. meg wouldnt be able to thrive with this type of bleed stacking because it will be 3 shot to the things that its bleed will be effective agaisnt

[fathom tulip]

Because making people wait for no reason is annoying and unnecessary? You aren't actually providing a reason for why people should have to wait

Tell me why it's beneficial to make the player wait. You can have your idea still generally play out for the predator with just an animation

[west wyvern]

I was just coming in here after reading that to say the exact same thing. Dying sucks enough without having to sit and wait to respawn while you get eaten. The thought is cool, but in practice it would take fun away, which is always bad in a game.

[sick crescent]

Cerato shouldn’t have a reliable enough matchup against Carno without a body.

Anything smaller than Carno should fear it in the open

The only exceptions are Diablo and Kentro

[exotic frigate]

Hello Im not sure where I would ask this. I have previously played the Envirma verious of this game. I upgraded my PC. And I keep getting an error saying "EasyAntiCheat not Installed". Yet i play Squad and it uses the same program and runs fine? How would I fix this?

I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling both the Isle and EasyAntiCheat and neither have worked

[valid brook]

you should check the pins in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 if that doesnt help, then you should state your issue there. quite a few smart people in there would be willin to help im sure

[exotic frigate]

Thank you

[valid brook]

yups

[jade brook]

i agree being forced to watch is bad, that said i miss the Legacy death cam, where you could watch a bit before respawning.

[twilit plover]

Yall got any ideas to add it this? I can edit em on

[uncut dagger]

yeah this literally is an opportunity for toxicity

[glass jackal]

@valid brook I was responding to someone who was responding to someone. Get rid of his message aswell as it is not feedback then

[limber hull]

@fathom tulip they literally already did that

[fathom tulip]

Someone was just doing that in-game though. Is the work around to stop pressing sprint for a quarter-second before alt-biting?

[limber hull]

perhaps, cera has really good accel and decel

so it just kinda immediately stops and starts

[fathom tulip]

It makes it so you can't really approach it from any angle even when sprinting. It was sprinting after another Utah and alt-bit at me while I was near its tail

[fathom tulip]

Maybe the better suggestion then is to make it so a 2000lb animal can't stop and start immediately lol

[limber hull]

cera just has a ridiculous amount of benefits

[fathom tulip]

Takes like 6 utahs to bleed one out

And you'll most likely lose a couple

(Not even with body buff btw)

[limber hull]

i'm fine with it dealing insanely well with omni

[fathom tulip]

I just need to stop going for them, its not even worth it

[limber hull]

but for a list of things cera has

• Very good running stamina
• Decent turn rate
• Bacterial bite
• Bleed resist
• Damage resist while eating
• Damage resist while near a body
• Very good swim speed
• Very good swim stam
• Only terrestrial animal capable of alt-biting in water

These aren't mentioning the several survival perks it has, this is merely for defensive situations

[fathom tulip]

Overtuned

[limber hull]

I'd be fine with cera having so many options if it wasn't, on top of everything, insanely good at hunting

The issue arises when cerato actually is a very competent hunter, so its plentiful perks kinda just make it impossible to deal with

Which is why a speed nerf or stam nerf would be good for the animal

[fathom tulip]

They should make it slower imo

Yeah ^

Does their Alt-Bite cost stam? cause he was spamming it like crazy

[limber hull]

Cerato has plentiful options that most cera players don't even use or even know about because its other options are more obvious

[limber hull]

No alt-bite costs stam besides deino anymore

[fathom tulip]

Havent played in a while so I had no clue. That's an... interesting decision

[limber hull]

Well they did it after making it you can't alt-bite while sprinting

[fathom tulip]

I think it should be both

It's such a strong option

[limber hull]

Well, ironically, not a single thing cerato does besides sprint costs stam

It is the most stamina efficient animal in the game

[fathom tulip]

Did you misread that conversation?

The guy was saying once you reach 0 bleed level you should be stuck watching things eat you while unable to move or fight back

Which is dumb

[twilit plover]

o

my bad lol, thought you were saying that you should just get killed as soon as you are doomed anyway lol. Sorry

[fathom tulip]

Yeah he wants you to have to wait 30 extra seconds after you have already technically died, just to watch things eat your body lol

[twilit plover]

I mean, could be cool. Could just add a "press E to give up" button to it for players that don't want to wait

[fathom tulip]

Yeah that could also work. The whole thing just seemed like an odd suggestion in general to me

[twilit plover]

I feel that, could be cinimatic though. Don't think the devs are very opposed to gore from the direction there going

[normal lotus]

We are getting something similar.

[twilit plover]

Seems cool : )

[fathom tulip]

That's exactly what I was suggesting instead

[twilit plover]

Could be cool too see the same with bleed out victems, like on that death condition they would still be "alive" for a bit with an option to respawn

[flat ruin]

[twilit plover]

Have the devs talked about adding a health bar?

to hud

[limber hull]

i hope they won't lol

[twilit plover]

y

[azure ruin]

@native verge it kind of goes against the realism aspect of the game - there is a game that allows you to be as colorful as you want - Beasts Of Bermuda. I don't think overly saturated dinos would fit in The Isle's horror/realistic setting.

[native verge]

@azure ruin that is very true but some skin combos that are already in the game are a little to "unrealistic" in my opinion but i get what you mean by that.

[azure ruin]

If I remember correctly, there will be unlockable skins though. Albino being one. I'm not sure though.

[native verge]

being a full albino (not just as white as possible with the saturation) would be very cool!

[native verge]

or maybe a skin designed for the "Melanism" condition would be sick.

[azure ruin]

You can kinda pull it off with omni! But yeah I would personally love more variety in some natural colors.

[limber hull]

because i find the whole "know your health" thing super silly and just leads to people taking risky fights because they metagame the numbers

[native verge]

yea some of the dinos (mainly deino) You can already make albino or all black (Melanism) but all of the dinos would be cool AF.

[twilit plover]

True but, meta players quick tab and check health anyways, just makes it a bit harder for newer players

[limber hull]

i personally don't like that either so

[twilit plover]

true

I like this but, I feel like ppl will meta it, like really really hard, and everyone will look the same

@native verge

[native verge]

true maybe limit the colors to certain shades and only multiple of the same color platform.

@twilit plover and people already look the same if they share their skin code

[twilit plover]

True, 100% for mating markers but, imagine something 100% the same color

[native verge]

it would be cool IMO but it may be overpowered or broken to be all dark or all green for camouflage. the deino can already camoflage better than half of the other dinosaurs on grass and its ment to be in the water. i feel like camoflage is not unrealistic for a game about hunting and surviving.

[twilit plover]

True but, this would lead lots of ppl to just rgb: 0 0 0 for all parts

Or whatever the min value is, so like 1/3 of the server would just look undetailed and boring

[native verge]

but the other 2/3 of the server would be exciting and standing out.

[urban flax]

I'm not sure having neon purple dinos running around would be that exciting

[limber hull]

it'd be nauseating

[native verge]

a color wheel does not give neon colors bro. it just gives more options than we have now

[limber hull]

a colour wheel gives literally all options lol

it's a colour wheel

lime green and neon pink are on the colour wheel

[urban flax]

Like eh

[native verge]

they would not be so bright that it is blinding you? how is a all white croc running around not any worst?

[limber hull]

as can be seen in these images: colours from a colour wheel

[native verge]

thats unrealistic and if u go up i said somethiing about different shades being limited. u wouldnt be able to have an all "neon" blue dinosaur running around

[urban flax]

I know The Isle is a sci-fi game, but it's still supposed to look somewhat serious

[urban flax]

Then how would it be different from current skin system, apart from unnoticeable hue variations ?

[limber hull]

thats literally what you get when you give a colour wheel for skins

[native verge]

becasue u would be able to have different shades of the color not just a "bright" blue or the blues we have now which are basically black on some dinosaurs

[urban flax]

If the color you want isn't on the selection, it's probably inteneded and left out for a reason
The fact troodon can only have very dark colors is intended

[limber hull]

how can you possibly make that happen while also giving players a colour wheel

how can you moderate what colours and shades people are allowed while also giving the main tool people use to find literally any colour they want

[urban flax]

The game is already pretty lenient on color options for some dinos (others not as much but eh)
Like deino has way too many

[limber hull]

deino does have waay too many

[urban flax]

I assume they're thinking of something like this

But then that's just a fancy color selector

[limber hull]

lmao true

[native verge]

i agree but why can the other dinos have more skins? and ive said if u scroll up to limit the amount of color platforms on the dinos. (like no more than 2 reds on a deino) no more than 2 blues and limit the shades to not be so unrealistically bright

[native verge]

so yes soemthing like that but just with blues and reds and greens ect.

[urban flax]

Not every dinos should have the option to have every color

[native verge]

why?

[urban flax]

Because as I said, The Isle is trying to be at least half serious

[native verge]

this is not the same color? one simple click of a button and the entire top of this guy is orange and not red

and green instead of blue

and in what world is that a serious skin?

[limber hull]

how is it not serious

[urban flax]

And that's what I mean, animals of the same species should share the same base color palette
If cera's base is red, then cera's color options should be red, orange, brown and maybe a bit of yellow
No green or blue

[native verge]

hmm. its got red on it, then "neon" blue randomly

[limber hull]

have you not heard of display colours

[native verge]

whats the difference if its a different dino with green instead of red and organge instead of blue?

[limber hull]

the "neon" part is extremely limited to one pronounced area of the animal

[native verge]

exactly

[limber hull]

the issue is having an entire animal coloured neon blue

[urban flax]

Because you don't see blue tigers

[native verge]

thats because tigers evolved to live in hmmm idk a desert?

or different grasslands?

and blend in?

[urban flax]

That's because animals of the same species share the same color palette

[native verge]

how is a red ceratosaur blending in with anything

[limber hull]

it isn't

[urban flax]

The same way an orange tiger is blending with jungles

[limber hull]

but colour doesn't soley exist for camoflague

[native verge]

then whats if exist for

it*

[limber hull]

dependent on the animal's mating habits, the more colourful animal will attract more mates, thus making high colour a more dominant gene

[urban flax]

Birds would like to know your location

[limber hull]

this is seen irl everywhere

[native verge]

so whats wrong with a raptor with blue feed and a red body?

what if its trying to mate?

[urban flax]

Nothing's wrong, as long as every raptor is blue and red

[native verge]

but every cerato could be red and blue

whats the difference

and do you really think the entire 100 people on a server are gonna be the same color?

[limber hull]

because the game actively only chooses naturalistic colours

[native verge]

thats unrealistic

[limber hull]

it doesn't have pinks or limes unless for display, because it would make the animals look garrish and hideous

[urban flax]

The current skin system already allows a lot of color variations that are extremely unrealistic for some dinos
But it's ok because everyone doesn't want to look the exact same
But we really don't need to have RGB options for all dinos

[native verge]

the entire server could choose to be an all white deino if they wanted to which is not realistic other than albino

keep thinking im sure u will find a way to change the subject back to the color wheel being unrealistic in a way i didnt describe it

[urban flax]

If you want a realistic color wheel then it would be the same as current color selector
But more limited

[quiet wind]

ya lets keep the giant pink deinos in BOB XD

[barren zephyr]

If you don't limit creatures to 3 shades of dark green like they probably were then I don't see why we couldnt have magenta deinos and neon orange rapters

[urban flax]

You don't see why because you got your eyes sealed shut

[limber hull]

you really went from one logical extreme to another

[barren zephyr]

super bright colors would be cringe but If someone wants a glow in the dark skin to attract carnivores then why not

[limber hull]

because it'd look horrid

[barren zephyr]

Yes it would

[limber hull]

it's not like you'd see the colours with current NV anyway

so it wouldn't matter

[barren zephyr]

More patters would als be cool if you want more limited shades

[limber hull]

Patterns would be nice

[tawny mica]

And different color graduation for each species

(Every dino looks the same to me)

[midnight stirrup]

thankfully it’s been stated the devs don’t want to go full BoB mode

[barren zephyr]

they are all lizards tho, just different arms and legs

[earnest saddle]

Plz some one help me I am stuck at center waterfall on the server isla noctis semi realism plz send help I am dying

[limber hull]

go talk to the isla noctis admins then\

no one can help you here

[earnest saddle]

I did

I died they were too late to help me

[twilit plover]

Would be cool to get context menus for food and other pickupables

Or just a better system for picking stuff up

[ember anvil]

@barren zephyr i think no one is gonna upgrade their CPU just so 1 game runs better, dev should work on optimalisation instead

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message "Herbivores should be free food to the superior carnivores."
Also if you let a teno kick you while youre running thats major skill issue.
Why does everyone hate teno

[limber hull]

teno literally in such a bad spot and people still find ways to ask for nerfs

[desert arch]

It would be mostly fine if it could still stun a charging carno without getting stunned. At least it can run away from ceras🤷‍♂️
Omnis are a different topic... without using a terrain advantage to camp it just dies...

[limber hull]

it's not even that good against ceras

unless the cera is a fool

[desert arch]

It can barely win a 1v1 even against an average cerato, thats sad

[urban flax]

"biting the teno's tail gets you killed"
I mean that's the point

[limber hull]

i also like how the guy backtracks and says he isn't suggesting to nerf teno

despite going in-depth into how OP teno is

[barren crater]

I mean if you just chip away at the tenos tail, it adds up

You can still also vomit lock the thing lol

Well it can claw but

You'll still win if you're competent enough to just use charged bite

[limber hull]

or just use corpse buffs
or swimming

[barren zephyr]

wrong again

I did upgrade my CPU just for this game

[ember anvil]

then no one except u

[barren zephyr]

tbh, so many have turd PC, would benefit other games aswell

[ember anvil]

i dont know anytone who upgrades 1 part so a specific game runs better

[barren zephyr]

but I guess whatever

[tawny mica]

Not really, scaley birds actually , even using your example lizards differentiate a lot between one another in colors

And patterns

[twin grove]

hey @spice knoll real trexes had pads that silenced their footsteps, but yea i agree they should sound heavy just normally walking or running

[limber hull]

@twin grove stego is getting neither removed nor nerfed

if anything, stego is planned to get buffs

because of rex... existing

[twin grove]

thats stupid, but their is a rumored stego removal if you ask ig

[limber hull]

it's a rumour, stego is being moved to unofficials with rex

and getting a rework to be prepared to handle rex

[twin grove]

ah so basicly theres gonna to be no large dinos on official?

stego shouldnt be able to "handle" rex

rex should destroy stego

real stegos have evidence on their plates of ALLOSAURUS sized bitemarks and allosaurus had dents in their bones from stego tails.

[limber hull]

rex destroying stego makes for terrible balance

every animal must be either able to escape their attacker, or fight off their attacker

in the case of stego vs rex, there is no way in hell that stego can run from that thing, so it must fight

[twin grove]

well make it like the old deino and stego battle a few stegos can take a rex

[limber hull]

an animal should be able to survive as a solo

that includes stego

not even mentioning how bad stego is in herds

[twin grove]

not all animals can survive solo have you seen troodon?

[limber hull]

it can survive solo

[twin grove]

only if you can use it right...

[limber hull]

it literally has compy and a ton of AI on its diet, and it can outrun/outagile/outstealth basically all of its predators

[urban flax]

That's what skill is for

[limber hull]

it requires large groups to hunt large prey, but to survive? Troodon is fine on its own

[cyan flame]

If it isnt, it needs some help. Not even a troodon should require a pack to be viable. Will you miss out on most of the things you can do as solo troodon, sure, but you should be viable on your own none the less. And this should apply to all playbles.

[limber hull]

Stego needs that same luxury, all animals deserve the luxury of self-sufficiency

(part of the reason carno is so bad is because it's become so reliant on groups to actually succeed)

the concept people have of rex just... obliterating stego on sight is nothing short of just spite balancing, because there's no good reason to actually do that

no other animal has a predator that just kills them on sight without a single damn thing they can do to stop it

[twin grove]

dryo

[limber hull]

dryo can EASILY survive, what?

it's not... the best, I will admit

but it's certainly not helpless in the face of predators

[cyan flame]

Also using irl balance, this is a game, and thus the playables need to be balanced for that. If we did irl balance, 90% of the roster would just die out.

[limber hull]

it has tons of stam and decent speed, incredible agility and some of the best NV in the game

it can escape effectively

again, not a single animal has the problem that stego is facing

stego lacks agility, speed, stealth and possibly even the combat potential to deal with rex

it can't rely on other forms of survival like burrowing, climbing, swimming or so on, for obvious reasons either

[twin grove]

wonder how they are going to work anky with this logic

[urban flax]

anky will be hard to kill

[limber hull]

it has colossal armour and a massive fracturing tail, 95% of the roster shouldn't even damage it

[twin grove]

im not being sarcastic or rude in my mind i genuinly want to hear yalls opinions x-x]

[limber hull]

i genuinely think even a giga should just be an entire non-issue for anky, it can literally ignore them

only rex and spino should face off against anky competently, everything else should just avoid it

[twin grove]

lots of ankylosaurs were small to hit the ankles of its attacks and i find it funny cause a single swing broke a rex leg

[limber hull]

yea, as it should

[twin grove]

i hope they make it possible to FLIP the anky though

[limber hull]

apparently spino can

[twin grove]

since thats the only way true carnivores damaged it

[limber hull]

hopefully the process is actually somewhat of a challenge for the carni

[twin grove]

i wonder if it falls a good enough distance not to die it could accidently flip over?

[limber hull]

not a free win button

[limber hull]

if i were an anky, i wouldn't ever be in a position where I'd be falling that high

[urban flax]

How I'd do it is you can flip an anky... if it has 0 stam

[twin grove]

lol

[limber hull]

honestly yea

[twin grove]

or low health and out of stam?

wait no-

[limber hull]

i mean... how are you going to get it to low health

[twin grove]

xD yea

[limber hull]

it's an ANKY

[urban flax]

health doesn't matter
But if you don't deal enough damage to kill it while it's on its back it gets up, and breaks your ankles

[limber hull]

i also think that anky should just... never worry about bleed or venom damage

like it just doesn't care

[twin grove]

i wonder if smaller carnivores will get under it and pounce it

[limber hull]

because how are you going to apply that bleed or venom

[twin grove]

that would make it interesting

[limber hull]

i press H and I win

[urban flax]

Anky sits down and they get crushed

[limber hull]

carnivores crushed

[twin grove]

squished

[limber hull]

I think smaller carnivores should respect it entirely

[twin grove]

though i doubt theyll let u squish them >:(

[urban flax]

If anky can't squish small carnivores, then small carnivores shouldn't be able to pounce anky

[limber hull]

Honestly, if I could, I would absolutely have it that anky's back is treated as a solid object and you can just sit on them and ride them as smaller animals

[twin grove]

ive seen videos of anky animations and the nodosaurus flipping itself with its own tail to get up\

[twin grove]

YES

just dont let the birds nest on its back xD

[urban flax]

Some games do that... but probably hard to pull off on a game with 100 players on the same server

[limber hull]

"oh that's mixpacking" says the carno as I laugh because the anky did not consent to this but he can't do anything about it

[twin grove]

lol

[limber hull]

but yea, with anky, I want most of its gameplay to involve moving slowly and not dying to basically anything

[twin grove]

i hope anky doesnt have to travel miles for food

[limber hull]

and the only two things you actually can die to, you can obliterate so hard it doesn't actually matter

[twin grove]

i think if it does have to travel it should have slow hunger loss

would a baby anky have a softer back or is it just a tiny rock

[limber hull]

anky should have slow hunger 100%

this thing barely moves

[twin grove]

yea

[urban flax]

baby anky should curl up in a ball and roll down hills

[limber hull]

YES

[twin grove]

sounds adorable but also seems hard to do

[limber hull]

Thank you for bringing this back

[twin grove]

arent they a bit stiff?

[limber hull]

I remember how mad people got over ball anky

[twin grove]

cause that huge hut on their back? xD

[limber hull]

I know this, but on the other hand, I think it'd make their juvi gameplay not unbearable

[twin grove]

yea

[urban flax]

Anky already is fictionalized into an armadillo/rhino hybrid

[limber hull]

I want momentum-oriented ball rolling

[twin grove]

how would you stop?

[limber hull]

Uh

[twin grove]

just get up? xD

[limber hull]

get to the bottom

and stop moving

i'd say that you have to commit to it

[twin grove]

hopefully they stop hidding cliffs with huge bushes

[limber hull]

and you don't have control, gravity does

[twin grove]

Do they have any anky sketches yet?

[limber hull]

ye

[urban flax]

rock simulator

[twin grove]

Looks huge

[urban flax]

It's an apex

[twin grove]

Makes sense

Looks like one of its diets is coconut

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message

I honestly want a buff to teno. specifically its tail slam damage to make up for the tail slam damage nerf it got, which wasn’t needed at all

[bleak bison]

@barren zephyr 🤣🤣

[hollow phoenix]

Played for a few hours a few years back. Wanted to try it out again to see the progress. No servers show up, try to host my own and it never loads. Unplayable.

no helpful posts anywhere easy to find.

[gentle flint]

Did you try switching branches to EVRIMA?

[valid brook]

Typically questions like this are best suited for #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 but you should
Close the game
Go To Steam
Right click the isle
Select Properties then betas
Click the drop down and click evrima

[gentle flint]

Here’s a video I believe if you need it
https://gyazo.com/0c3347f2976f66d2e58bc9814becccd7

Plenty of people willing to help out if you have any questions after that!

[hollow phoenix]

I will try that I guess. Game should probably come with a warning that you need to do stuff before you can play! I wonder how many would be players give up before they even start because of this issue!

[gentle flint]

EVRIMA unfortunately is still in beta. There’s still ways you can play the older version, which is the version advertised on steam, but unfortunately I’m not familiar with them ^^;
If you really want to play the “older” version or “Legacy” you can try checking out #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 and there might be something in there to help!

I do agree though that it can be rather disheartening, especially for people who don’t even know the discord exists, for example

[fierce helm]

Theres a bug where some other players are carrying food, i can see exactly where they are. (they are not actually carrying food i dont think)

[desert girder]

is cerato really that weak?

[limber hull]

no

[austere axle]

@acoustic spruce r u thevian?

[limber hull]

idk who is saying it's weak lol

[desert girder]

Its not tanky, its slow, its regular bite is barely meh

[urban flax]

It's tanky, it's pretty fast, and it's regular bite is ridiculously strong and fast

[desert girder]

its charged bite is incredibly easy to dodge and highly punishable

[urban flax]

Cerato is the only animal in the game with damage resistance

[desert girder]

the septic bite is only useful against people who are starving

[limber hull]

it has 4 different kinds of resistances (bleed resist, fracture resist, damage resist while eating, damage resist while near corpses), one of the highest stamina pools in the game, its regular bite is faster than any other bite and puts carnos bite to shame and it has a stamless charge bite

[desert girder]

and it has a huge model so pachys can break your legs even if they hit the tip of your tail and tenos can easily stun you without even looking.

[limber hull]

charged bite is not highly punishable, what

it's one of the least punishing special attacks in the game

no stam cost, short animation

[desert girder]

forgot to say, cera in evrima version

[limber hull]

that's what we're talking about, yes,

[limber hull]

unless you count pachy's head

[desert girder]

they advertised it as a tanky brawler but it's pretty much automatically dead if a carno hits it with it's charge and it's Spinosaurus sized hitbox

[limber hull]

they literally never advertised it as tanky, i am still so lost as to where this came from

the word tanky has not been uttered once by devs in reference to cerato

[urban flax]

Isn't carno the only thing that can remotely pose a threat to cerato ?

[limber hull]

yep

[urban flax]

Well there's also deino but deino is another can of worms

[limber hull]

because carno is designed extremely poorly atm

[desert girder]

cera goes down incredibly quickly to carno and teno combos.

[limber hull]

i really can't see how cera is underpowered, the only thing oppressing it is ironically carno, because carno is designed so poorly that it literally only performs well against cera and nothing else

[desert girder]

strangest part is that its adult character model is more or less the same size as teno, so why is it almost 20% less heavy?

they could easily buff cera to 1500kg and nobody would bat an eye. They wouldn’t even have to change the size of its model

[limber hull]

cerato is fine at 1300kg

[urban flax]

People would bat an eye and cera is already oversized

[limber hull]

cerato doesn't need a health buff at all

in fact cerato really doesn't need much of any buff

[urban flax]

Friendly reminder cera can survive a headshot from a stego's thagomizer with a body buff

[limber hull]

if anything, just... fix whatever is going on with carno

[urban flax]

If it was upped to 1500 kg it could survive a headshot AND a body shot with a body buff

[limber hull]

clearly necessary for it to be viable

[urban flax]

Well otherwise stego is immortal

[limber hull]

at least ceratos can't vomitlock it anymore

thank God

[limber hull]

that's two "nerf herbi, buff carni" posts in a row from one dude lol

also imagine nerfing stego and BUFFING deino lol

[vital laurel]

Oh no the sole apex(for now) is strong!

[desert arch]

Deino killing stego in 5 headshots while stego needing 7 headshots to kill a single deino, balanced

[limber hull]

remember, mighty carnivore always defeats feeble herbivore in nature

i still don't understand the ongoing need deinos have to fight stegos when they can easily avoid them entirely

[desert arch]

I also see much less stegos than in u6, overall less deinos too, but stegos are a much rarer sight

[limber hull]

isnt it weird that, despite being the most "overpowered" animal, we've never had a "stegopocalypse"

[urban flax]

Everytime Blue posts feedback, I become stronger

[sick crescent]

I love it when people have almost no problem with Deino but always have one with Stego even though one is stupid easy to kill as Omni and the other isn’t easy to kill by literally anything besides Mirror Match.

[desert arch]

At least it makes deino players less skilled, meaning easy prey for cannibals like me😋

[limber hull]

you'd think that something as overpowered as stego would make something akin to the rexpocalypse, the carnopocalypse. the pachypocalypse or even the constant ongoing deinopocalypse, but it never has

stego has ALWAYS been a lower picked animal, despite being apparently something so powerful that everyone SHOULD be picking it to stay ahead

you'd think something being THAT powerful would reflect in its numbers

[desert arch]

Its a herbi, what do you expect duh
Also it has no hunting potential, unlike u6 pachy

[limber hull]

exactly, almost like it is the easiest animal to outright never engage with

stego never gets to fight on its terms

unless it is literally fighting a plains deino

[desert arch]

"But they camp bodies!1!1!1"

[limber hull]

they cry, as the 20 deinos emerge from the water to demolish any kill you may have spent time acquiring

considering they can eat anything, endlessly

[sick crescent]

But but

[lament lagoon]

i really hope they nerf stego

[sick crescent]

They somehow kos me!!

[limber hull]

i have very bad news for you lol

[sick crescent]

If you ever get killed by a Stego as anything

That is genuinely an issue with the player lol

[limber hull]

in order to deal with rex, stego needs changes, and those aren't nerfs

[sick crescent]

Stego isn’t what we call full power yet

It’s been nerfed from what its supposed to be when its at “full power” apex

Once other apexes come into the game, it’ll get these changes/buffs so it can survive against them

[limber hull]

i really don't even see why stego needs a nerf

its far more mortal than a deino

[sick crescent]

We saw what nerfed Stego would look like

It was probably one of the most unviable animals in the game rn

[desert arch]

The animal is fine, its the players why people hate stego

[sick crescent]

Getting harassed by even Carnos

[urban flax]

Stego was perfectly balanced back when dryos could 1v1 them
That's how all herbivores should be

[sick crescent]

Hypsi could 1v1 Stego iirc

Stego could not physically hit it

[desert arch]

Dryo is a herbi too

Carni dryo when?

[urban flax]

If all herbis are equally weak, it makes sense than any of them can 1v1 any other
They're all bottom of the food chain after all

[desert arch]

True

[limber hull]

the food chain consists of canivore eats smaller carnivore eats even smaller carnivore and all of them eat herbivores freely and readily

[urban flax]

just like irl

[sick crescent]

10% stam drain on jabs, ~1000 I forgot damage, 2x headshot modifier(still a thing), 4000hp, worst turn in the game by far

Slower attacks than it has now

[desert arch]

1250 dmg on swing

6k hp also

Ohh

[sick crescent]

It has 1250 damage on swing now, I’m talking about pre-buff Stego

[urban flax]

Reminds me of the Monster Hunter ecosystem
Where aptonoth, the small and weak herbivore, serves as food to everything else
And then there's Diablos

[desert arch]

Misread lol

[sick crescent]

Stego was so bad of an animal it was almost Update 1 Tenonto tier

[limber hull]

it actually was pathetic lol

[sick crescent]

People who play anything need to seriously get a slap of reality that they can’t just walk up to especially apex herbivores anymore willy nilly AND also fight them all willy nilly

[limber hull]

basically any carnivore (or even herbivore) could send stego to an early grave

[sick crescent]

Carno could 1v1 kill Trike in Legacy, I’m sure infamous carni players especially will hate the fact apex herbis are much stronger in evrima

[limber hull]

it feels like we're still stuck in legacy mindset, where big animal beats small animal, ESPECIALLY if carnivore

trike was sad because it was the one apex left behind. every apex CARNIVORE got tons upon tons of love and help

[sick crescent]

Wah wah I can’t 1v1 kill an apex herbi anymore

And if I do fight it wah wah I have to actually play cautiously/smart about it

[limber hull]

I genuinely hope Trikes in EVRIMA will legit just skillcheck any run-of-the-mill rex to an early grave

[sick crescent]

I don’t have hope for Trike tbh

[limber hull]

like, trike should legit demolish rex if the rex isn't being EXTREMELY smart

[desert arch]

People gonna love anky ngl

[limber hull]

anky better just be essentially immortal imho

[desert arch]

Immovable force of an animal

[sick crescent]

If Trike domes Rex too much, Dondi factor comes into play People will genuinely whine about it too much

[desert arch]

Anky being essentially immortal would just take the fun out of it :/

[sick crescent]

That’s not even how the damn fights should go

Rex should have to ambush Trike, but if Rex tries to walk up to Trike like it’s another Tuesday like they did in Legacy Trike should just absolutely obliterate Rex.

[limber hull]

I genuinely believe Dondi is the kind of person to make rex unfathomably hard

Reason being, he HATES how easy deino is to grow, and I very much doubt he'd like his big bad rex to be a common, dull sight

[sick crescent]

“But Rex is KINGG wah wah”

[desert arch]

Let it crush any carni, but make it vulnerable to the enviroment

[sick crescent]

Nah

[limber hull]

i think anky should literally only be dying to rex and spino, and those two should struggle hard to kill it

[sick crescent]

Anky should be actually kind of “easy” to kill as an Apex Carni, at least compared to the behemoth

[desert arch]

Then its basically just spectator mode with survival mechanincs

[desert arch]

Agreed

[sick crescent]

But Anky is actually immortal against smalls and mids

[limber hull]

nah, disagree, I think anky should literally just ignore gigas

i genuinely don't believe an anky should give a rats ass about a giga

[sick crescent]

Meanwhile the behemoth just demolishes everything in its path besides Shants, Sauropods and Strains

[desert arch]

But making an animal basically immortal to other dinos, but in turn, making it vulnerable to changes in the enviroment sounds like an interesting idea

[sick crescent]

Nah

Anky defo shouldn’t be immortal

It should be tanky sure, but not immortal

[limber hull]

I legit believe only rex and spino should threaten it

[sick crescent]

You also shouldn’t walk up to an Anky carelessly as an Apex like any other Apex Herbi

[limber hull]

I don't even want to consider the idea of giga killing it

[desert arch]

Anky wouldnt be able to escape enviromental threats because of its speed

[limber hull]

i mean, it can't swim

[desert arch]

But ofc all of this requires the weather system to be well designed

Floods would be a perfect counter to anky

[limber hull]

Pretty sure they said no to floods

[desert arch]

Such a shame, but it does sound hard to code :/

[limber hull]

droughts are still planned iirc

[desert arch]

Deino mains will love weather

[barren zephyr]

yes

[barren zephyr]

could just move the whole island up and down inside water

[sinful yoke]

@golden kernel

are you wered or somethings?

poop is not for the isle

[limber hull]

i mean, it is an dinosaur survival game. Dinosaurs poop

@bitter summit it's already planned for dinosaurs to hear human speech as static

[bitter summit]

ah, thought so when I was writing it but wasnt sure

[golden kernel]

It gives more oportunitys to hunt, to follow and to track other dinos. I dont see the problem. Animals poop, we poop, everything poops. But in the wild poop is always an indicator for the presence of others. The fresher the poop, the closer the group. And as I closed with: it also opens up a space for new AI, like Bugs and Worms for small cannis and omnivores like beipio or troodon.

[barren zephyr]

I don't poop brudda, that's nasty

[golden kernel]

maybe wrong game for you then? As a Dinosaur-Horror-Survival game that claims to be realistic? Maybe you should play PoT or Stuff like that.

[barren zephyr]

no it's the right game for me, just need to fix some bugs and purge the nasty community

[limber hull]

i feel like purging a community is the opposite of what you want as a game dev

[barren zephyr]

If I was a dev, I would purge everyone with trash takes and dishonorable behavior

[limber hull]

then you wouldn't retain a community, because both those things are subjective

[barren zephyr]

that's why I am not a dev

I would love to be a dictator tho, would be awesome

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr why dont you want gateway now lol

[barren zephyr]

gateway yes, releasing it before ready no

[limber hull]

fair

@glass jackal an infant isn't a 1.3 ton massive sack of meat and bones

it's an infant

[glass jackal]

?

[limber hull]

you said an infant could survive the fall the cera died to

an infant isn't that big

it's not going to feel the full force of its own mass crumbling on impact

[glass jackal]

it was a comparison

not literally

[limber hull]

weird comparison lol

[glass jackal]

not really

[barren zephyr]

fall damage is rough on heavy creatures

[glass jackal]

i dont think you understand

[limber hull]

it's rarely a problem if you just be careful tbh

[glass jackal]

Except it was a 2 meter fall, it wasnt supposed to INSANTLY kill a fully grown cera

[barren zephyr]

Humans can literally die if they fall over while standing, imagine a bigger creature falling a slight drop

[limber hull]

also, i've fallen from further with cera and lived fine, idk what 2 meter fall you could've possibly died to

[glass jackal]

like it was literally twice the size of the cera that fell

died instantly from the impact of the water

[limber hull]

that's... a lot more than 2 meters

[glass jackal]

no?

[limber hull]

a cera is not 1 meter tall lol

[glass jackal]

a cera is around 2 meters tall 90% grown

[limber hull]

anyway, i feel like you really shouldn't be jumping off falls twice your height as a big hefty animal regardless

[glass jackal]

he fell off a small edge that let him to slide down a hill

of around 2-3 meters

[barren zephyr]

2m fall with adult cera is like driving into a brick wall at 22km/h with a small car

that's a lot of damage

[glass jackal]

2m slide into a river

and also driving into a brick wall at 22km is not deadly 🙂

wouldnt kill you instantly on impact

[limber hull]

thats because you have a car and all its safety features to protect you

[glass jackal]

bro are you actually delusional

[limber hull]

if you were a living, breathing car and you drove 22km/hr into a wall, you would serve a good chance of dying

[glass jackal]

guess what, im not a living breathing car

the comparison was as you as a human being, not the damage done to the car

[barren zephyr]

brudda look at the car not the driver

[limber hull]

^

[glass jackal]

a car is an object tho and dinos arent build with metal

[limber hull]

the driver will be safe because it is a car's functional purpose to try and make sure the driver doesn't die

[glass jackal]

so the heart of the dino should also be protected?

[barren zephyr]

ye, so they will take more damage cuz meat is softer than steel

[glass jackal]

so it should break the bones

[glass jackal]

not true

[limber hull]

the heart isn't the only problem. the general shock can kill if you sustain enough damage, and breaking of bones can pierce vital organs, killing you

[barren zephyr]

holy moly you cut your knife with a piece of meat?

[glass jackal]

well the legs hit first which gives a less impact on anything else, leading to breaking the bones instead of instant death. thanks for proving my point

[barren zephyr]

2m drop for a 1 ton creature would break many bones and cause many bleeding

[glass jackal]

correct

[limber hull]

okay, realistically, a dinosaur won't be falling in a completely upright manner, but this is a videogame. Realistically speaking, a dinosaur would lose balance, not land on its legs, more than likely land on its neck, killing it

[barren zephyr]

there has to be a cutoff for damage, you can fracture legs in game, at one point you just die

it would be too much to ask the game to calculate every fall like a simulation on NASA PC

[glass jackal]

well in this case its 50/50 cause he sled down a hill into water so realistically no damage wouldve been done at all

[glass jackal]

True but after spending hours of your time you wouldnt want to end it all by sliding down a hill into water instantly dying, losing all progress

[urban flax]

I think the reason why fall damage feels so high is because fall damage is realistic, while every other source of damage isn't

Dinos can survive being bitten in the neck by something twice their size

[glass jackal]

Yeah I understand that because most fall damage scenarios is by falling off a huge hill or cliff leading you to die

[limber hull]

i do feel animals like hypsi should have squirrel like fall damage

which by that I mean, throw em off a cliff and they live

[barren zephyr]

I lunged onto rocks on waterfall, slid off and fell to my death

I fell down a steep hill and died

I fell off another waterfall

I fell off a rock

It happens, just a massive skill issue

[barren zephyr]

I would completely remove fall damage from them

[limber hull]

honestly? fair

i'd love to see hypsis leaping off cliffs to escape predators

[barren zephyr]

It would in no way affect game balance

[limber hull]

it also makes sense for hypsi to have a squirrel niche

[glass jackal]

LOL u just suck then

[barren zephyr]

I'd remove fall damage from baby troodons aswell

[limber hull]

it's a small, feathered, arboreal herbivore already

[barren zephyr]

jsut like you

[limber hull]

nah i'd have it unique to hypsi tbh

[glass jackal]

ive never died of fall dmg

[barren zephyr]

but the troodon is so light, it would not take any damage

[limber hull]

i mean, that's not how it works

[barren zephyr]

can't die to fall damage if you only afk

[limber hull]

squirrels would die from the heights they jump if not for their ability to reduce their own rate of falling

[glass jackal]

cant grow to an adult if you only afk

[barren zephyr]

skill issue

[limber hull]

you kinda can :P

[glass jackal]

i have clips of me winning a 1v4 against raptors and carnos if u want to see

[barren zephyr]

I have a clip of me getting an ace on T side of mirage

in pistol round

like 2015 or 2016

21. september 2015

[glass jackal]

i have 15 clips of me acing on r6

[barren zephyr]

who?

[barren zephyr]

@hardy iris it's server desync not ping, they have to redo how server and clients exchange data

[hardy iris]

whatever it is they need to fix it

i dont even wanna play the game anymore bc of that crap

[barren zephyr]

basically, the game happens on your system and sends the result to server

then server tells others what happened

[hardy iris]

sounds like an awful way to set up a pvp game

[barren zephyr]

everyone is playing their own game and server tries to match up that info

but it's poorly done, huge latency

[hardy iris]

yeah its unplayable

you just killed by anything chasing you no matter what even if theyre far behind you

[barren zephyr]

you can notice it with corpses too, sometimes you see players eat stuff from 20 meters away

[hardy iris]

yup

so they built the game on a crap system knowingly and now the cracks are starting to show

[barren zephyr]

ping can go up to 180 if it's stable and the game is completely playable

[hardy iris]

is it playable if you die from something that shouldn’t kill you

just bc you can run around i wouldnt call that playable

[barren zephyr]

not looking at desync

just ping

[sick crescent]

#general-feedback message @acoustic spruce YES PLEASE

[hallow marten]

Ok the queue system don't seem to work. Was in queue for 20 mins, and when it was my turn .. it connects and says: "Disconnected server full"..
So just remove it please, waste of time. 🙂

[acoustic spruce]

No

I just thought the character select screen he has on the videos was too good of an idea to pass up

[buoyant pike]

are they planning on make the player population of servers h much higher. i dont see how a 100 players scales enough to fill out the player eco system especially with humans and tribals

[desert arch]

Filipe once said in an interwiew that 200 population servers are planned, but they will have inevitable ping issues

[buoyant pike]

sadge

[smoky monolith]

Can't join even though the server says it's not full

[limber hull]

@granite herald they're planning to go full-in on the power of rex and trike. Rex will be as powerful as it should be, and trike will be powerful enough to fight off and kill something as powerful as rex

[granite herald]

Absolutely brilliant to hear. I was worried incase they made Rex able to lose fights it shouldn’t really lose

[limber hull]

nah, they're committed to making apexes feel like apexes

no more of legacy's "a single utah can assride an adult rex to death" stuff lol

[barren zephyr]

If stego is being axed from officals, is deino also getting booted?

[limber hull]

Apparently not for… some reason

It is being made a lot harder to grow and maintain tho, apparently

[barren zephyr]

still doesn't change the fact that nothing can then compete with deino, kinda stinky.

[cedar galleon]

the logic is that "it's bound to the water"

[limber hull]

I mean, nothing can compete with deino with or without stego, I guess, but at least stego could deal with the stupid/overconfident deinos

[barren zephyr]

stegos could go head to head with them atleast, nothing else can do that yet.

[barren crater]

Which never made sense. Just go back and fill up on water. Play in groups to protect your weakness so you won’t be stranded on land

[cedar galleon]

fr, bush deino will be real

[barren crater]

Yeah pretty much. I’d much rather we find out how stego performs on gateway before they decide to remove it or not

I’ve said it a few times but stego is carried by the map

The spiro hills, rocks, trees and bushes are the main reasons why hunts are stopped

If Stego has more diets in the open away from such things, then it’s something that can be hunted

[cedar galleon]

aren't they doing kit adjustments or overhauls for them as well?

[barren zephyr]

omg 8000kg lizard is big danger, who could have guessed.

[barren crater]

For both yeah

[limber hull]

@bronze vector a big part of why they're removing Spiro is to reduce file size and decrease download time

[bronze vector]

makes sense, although I think file size should be one of their last concerns at the moment. although I might be a bit biased in that sense seeing how I have ark+DLCs installed

[acoustic spruce]

Death to Spiro

[bronze vector]

I keep hearing this but nobody has actually given me an in depth reason as to why everyone dislikes it. Besides a few optimization issues I've never had an issue with spiro

[limber hull]

Spiro is literally designed horrendously

It is the sole reason that deino is easy, carno is designed horribly, hypsi can't live in forests, herrera can't be added, many creatures just cannot exist, nesting isn't fun, diets are dull

[bronze vector]

See, now im starting to get it

im definitely not a fan of the trees with no limb collisions

Although the carno part im not quite sure on. Center seems to offer a perfect opportunity for them to run down prey

[limber hull]

The "plains" are hilly and covered in bushes, it's ironically not even flat nor open

The forests are SO dense you CAN'T work inside them

[urban flax]

The only viable place to go is center
Because a damn river literally squares the entire playable area

And the rest is jungles