general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

I discovered it by accident one time

maybe not every spot works but I know one

[amber cosmos]

everytime i hit a tree or rock it just makes me let go of them lol

[torn plinth]

yeah it might be a bummer, but its even worse when the entire server becomes an apex because they wont die 😔
there are so many dinosaurs in and to be in that might have their population killed

[woven musk]

They could also make the trex have a weakness such as fragile legs so patchy or something could cripple them a bit easier

[barren zephyr]

idk, depends on server, the one I play on is fine

[woven musk]

I'd imagine something so big having a broken limb would be very bad with all that weight on it

[torn plinth]

most servers in legacy has a big problem with apexes
and there you could kill them using the turn and bleed. but you also need to account there was no location damage, any bite would count. In evrima you cant kill them at all unless you are as strong as.

Deino population is already a problem
the server can feel empty because everyone is at water. the only way deinos die is either risking stegos and failing or getting cannibalized

its pretty much untouchable on land except for stegos

thats why i am concerned
whats gonna risk fighting a rex, knowing they can die in a single bite, they are tanky and it being able to bite 360°

sure, maybe its realistic, but its important to think gameplay wise

[urban flax]

Well rex probably won't be as untouchable as deino
Because as opposed to deino, rex cannot hide underwater when it's wounded and be safe from everything

If a raptor pack wants to fight a rex, rex has no option but to kill them all

[torn plinth]

well, utahs are supposed to take on stegos but we all know most players arent that experienced

[amber cosmos]

pachy should just run from rex, id rather this didnt go the way of legacy where everything just fights everything and who ever tail rides the best wins lol

[woven musk]

Yeah but without cannibalism or some kind of weakness or at the very least some sort of limiting factor the servers will turn into nothing but T-Rexes

[urban flax]

Stego is, apart from anky, the dino that is best designed to counter mobbing tactics

[woven musk]

Or insert whatever current a meta is

[torn plinth]

there are many things to take into consideration
a rex could just use the terrain, hide in bushes (and hit kill whatever comes in it), go near water, use mud puddles

[torn plinth]

thats not a problem, but if you compare update 3 to now, utahs fear stegos when it used to be the opposite. Stegos can live way too comfortable now to the point most of them suicide out of boredom

[woven musk]

Could also just make it have bad stamina

I mean it's going to be a hulking Goliath

[sick crescent]

Most would suicide out of boredom anyway

[urban flax]

Yeah stegos aren't the only ones who are bored

[sick crescent]

Lol

People play Stego a lot with the intention to KOS and be the strongest thing… issue is Stego isn’t made to play like that at all so it gets boring to those players.

Also pre-Update 3.5 Stego sucked

[woven musk]

That's fair cuz pretty much anything can run away from a stego

[sick crescent]

It was as bad as current Pachy arguably tbh viability wise

Still above Update 1 Tenonto

[torn plinth]

it might become a addiction cycle
Midtier plays game, realise they cant really kill anything bigger than them -> switch to apex to be able to kill whatever they want and tank -> kill midtier when they try hunting them -> midtier spawns as apex to kill apex

[woven musk]

I think what they should do, is Nerf Dino and stego for now only until they add an larger apexes

Then revert Dieno and stego

[urban flax]

If the game is done right mid tier won't be able to grow an apex just like that

[torn plinth]

apexes arent hard to grow at all

[amber cosmos]

got to be honest when rex makes it in it will probably be a cannibal, it will probably have trike, stego, and teno and maybe carno on the diet if they havent added maia yes, and it will probably be OP af cause its a new dino

[torn plinth]

you just need to know the map and how to play the game

[urban flax]

They should be

[sick crescent]

Trike and Stego will be harder to grow than Rex

(Most likely)

[amber cosmos]

doubt

[limber hull]

god i hope rex isn't a cannibal

[amber cosmos]

grass eating sim

[torn plinth]

but arent
whatever is hunting wont go to the corner of the map risking not finding anything and not having fun
thats where apexes go to grow

[sick crescent]

What do you mean doubt??? It’s a tyannosaurid.

[sick crescent]

I hope you enjoy malnutrition and -75% growth.

[amber cosmos]

we can dream but it probably will be cause it doesnt have enough actual prey items for diet in yet

[limber hull]

organs go brrrr, easy nutrients

[sick crescent]

^

Herbivores currently are harder to play than Carnivores in Evrima

[amber cosmos]

nah i just tend to eat near one diet and get triple of that and hide in a bush while they respawn and watch youtube

[torn plinth]

i think you dont know isle players much
ive seen people use 2 pcs
spawn their own food, eat organs and grow easy

clans are a thing also

[sick crescent]

^

[woven musk]

So what you're saying is J, they're always be try hard sweats that ruin it for everybody else? Lol

[torn plinth]

yes

[sick crescent]

Carnivores ARE easier than Herbivores at the moment, with the hardest growths currently being Stego and Tenonto

[woven musk]

Sounds about right lmao

[amber cosmos]

simple you know how when people see a baby deino on land they always kill it? it will be same thing with small rexes until the rex gets bigger then carno

[sick crescent]

And Juvenile Rex will be insanely fast?

You seem to miss out how growth weight scales too.

By like 30%-40% I can see Rex being like 1.5-2 tons already lol

[torn plinth]

i have over 3k hours in the isle
ive seen maaaany things
people will do anything to have advantage
and when you are pretty much untouchable to lower tiers....people will stop playing lower tiers

[amber cosmos]

i also doubt that i think it will be slower then cerato and carno until its a sub

[torn plinth]

i used to play with a group that really enjoyed smaller tiers and we would play utah a lot
we didnt want to hunt stegos at all because we know at least 2 would die
and it wasnt much lack of skill
they were pretty good utahs

its just not worth it being hit killed

[sick crescent]

Do you know how fast Juvenile Rex is…?

[woven musk]

How would you guys rank the current state of the dinosaurs from best to worst viability wise?

[torn plinth]

and not fun....

[sick crescent]

Good because smalls shouldn’t be touching Apexes that much

[woven musk]

Jurassic Park taught me they break their legs easy and that they really don't like trailers

[torn plinth]

thats the issue to me....then whats gonna be touching them? 😔

[sick crescent]

Juvi Rex goes up to like 58 kmh right?

[torn plinth]

people will only play what can hunt most dinos

[woven musk]

I main utah

[torn plinth]

its mostly a pvp game for many players

[woven musk]

Or patchy if I'm a herbi

Stegos and Dieno are cool and all but super boring unless you just get off on a superiority complex

[torn plinth]

👆

[limber hull]

deino specifically is the king of superiority lol

[amber cosmos]

this game doesnt focus on realism and they said it would be hard af to grow a rex so its probably going to be slow, the fact they showed an adult with a baby makes me think it will almost be impossible to grow unless you nest in with a adult rex to protect and feed you

[woven musk]

That would also encourage nesting

[amber cosmos]

yes

[woven musk]

So I'd be kind of game for that

I think it would be kind of cool that if you grow from a nest you get some slight bonuses

[sick crescent]

How did you come to those conclusions from that??

Lol “it will be hard” means it’ll be slow

[amber cosmos]

by using coming sense and putting two and two together?

[barren zephyr]

I play what can make friends with most creatures

[torn plinth]

i dont know how they will make it hard to grow a rex
deinos get KG so fast

[sick crescent]

Hard to gimme a moment

[torn plinth]

thats....good....but most of the isle doesnt...

[amber cosmos]

deinos have protection via the water they are easy to grow until more playables that can kill them come to the game in the water

[urban flax]

Dondi said deino won't have such an easy growth anymore soon enough
Whatever he has in mind for it, he probably has the same idea for other apexes

[torn plinth]

what i meant to say is that they get KG very fast, making them fastly be able to tank more and more dinos

thats great :)
im excited to see whats to come for them

[amber cosmos]

dude im 30 wtf is KG lol

[urban flax]

Oh yeah deino's weight growth curve is absurd

[barren zephyr]

weight

[torn plinth]

kilograms

[hollow bison]

It's weight

[amber cosmos]

ah but how many?

[barren zephyr]

it's not

[amber cosmos]

way you were using it made no sense to me so i thought it was an acronym for something else lol

[sick crescent]

Quickly made

[torn plinth]

i dont know exactly how many per grow tick
but its the weight of a carno before 40% if i remember correctly
im not sure i dont play apex much

[urban flax]

You changed your mind about it ?
You literally made a suggestion some days ago to have it make more sense

[barren zephyr]

yes, should be "kg" not "KG"

[urban flax]

Juvie deino is basically twice as heavy as it looks

[torn plinth]

great tier list i agree w u

[barren zephyr]

huh?

oh u mean that, no yeah that needs changing

[torn plinth]

poor teno got murdered this update staggering and vomiting all over

[sick crescent]

Meanwhile Pachy

Anyone who plays Current Pachy is a masochist

[torn plinth]

this ^ XD

anyways
lets see what they have planned for apex growth then we might get into this discussion again 👀

[sick crescent]

Flyers will always be the best survivability wise, Beipi would be S in Gateway.

[sick crescent]

Apparently the Apex System is actually something for this

[amber cosmos]

eh i think teno and carno should be about the same at B

[sick crescent]

Solo they suck

Not as much as Pachy but they do

[amber cosmos]

yeah solo carno pretty bad too with all the cerato groups around atm, honestly think carno needs a stam buff, and hunger drain buff

[sick crescent]

Carno runtime buff defo

Tenonto needs old slam damage back and more runtime

[barren zephyr]

no it don't

if you think teno is weak then bring other things closer to it's level

[sick crescent]

You’re creating more problems than solving with that solution

[barren zephyr]

teno was too strong before

[sick crescent]

Tenonto sucked in Update 6

[barren zephyr]

it did not

[sick crescent]

Yes it did

[barren zephyr]

it did not

[sick crescent]

It got shredded on by Carno and Pachy

[urban flax]

I don't think there was a single update where teno was too strong

[woven musk]

Ooof my patchy boy is down at D sad days

[sick crescent]

Omni still destroys Tenonto without a cliff or water/mud

[woven musk]

(I don't read most updates, I just play what looks/feels fun)

[sick crescent]

Tenonto now has a Cerato problem

If you buff its runtime, you might need to buff Ceratos

You can’t increase Ceratos speed because then it’ll dome on Pachy even more than it does now

[barren zephyr]

everything has that problem

[woven musk]

Wish patchy still broke legs more dependably

[sick crescent]

Ceratos will try being brutes no matter what though, so I’m thinking to just increase it anyway.

[woven musk]

For real Cera's are in menace right now

[limber hull]

very accurate

[woven musk]

I'll be running on an eight Utah pack and if we run into two or three we'll just leave them alone cuz even if we kill one the other two will just get buffed off its body and be invincible

[barren zephyr]

I would put steg on same tier as deino tbh

[sick crescent]

Like… bro… you say your agility is bad, sprint is bad… and that you’re squishy to Carno…maybe don’t try fighting everything especially in the open?

Cerato players giving their 10000 excuses why it should be a minirex

[cyan flame]

Because pachy stun lock and carno hitbox. Teno itself was perfectly fine.

[urban flax]

You know full well that'd be wrong

[barren zephyr]

-it wouldn't

[woven musk]

Stego is the same viability wise, just since it's slow it can't be as much of a menace

[sick crescent]

Deino and Ptera are untouchable to Omni packs

Stego is not

[woven musk]

However stego body camping is very much an issue

[urban flax]

Stego hasn't got a biome it can be 100% safe from any other species in

[sick crescent]

I never said it was a Tenonto problem

[barren zephyr]

so ur list was based on resistance to rapters?

[sick crescent]

No?

[woven musk]

I don't know I've killed a stego as a Utah before

[sick crescent]

The only thing that can kill Deino and Ptera is a mirror match

They’re untouchable to everything else

[urban flax]

I'm talking about the fact deino can hide in water

[cyan flame]

Fair enough!

[urban flax]

It also has an easier time filling its diets

[barren zephyr]

there are more canni deinos than any other creatures tho

[sick crescent]

There are canni everything

Herbis kill eachother even same species all the time

[amber cosmos]

i mean to be fair as cerato i do be going around soloing carnos in the open cause they just spam the ram like morons

[sick crescent]

In my experience canni Carno is the worst, especially if center is anything to go off of Deino population with cannis

9+ Deinos casually just sitting on the river bank

Then Northwest probably got 6+

[urban flax]

And that's not counting the ones that are hiding or afk growing in a remote place

All in all I think that on 100 players, there's about 20-30 deinos at all times

[barren zephyr]

what server? xD

[sick crescent]

I’m saying my experience with it lol both from playing Deino and anything else

[sick crescent]

There’s been data on this iirc

It’s more like 30-40 Deinos

[amber cosmos]

yeah i agree to that and everyone else is either omnis, ceratos, or carnos lol

[urban flax]

And then there's one slot left for the occasionnal ptera, dryo or hypsi player

[sick crescent]

Deino, Cerato, Carno, Troodon, Omni and Stego are probably the most played playables rn

[amber cosmos]

dryo players dont exist lol

[sick crescent]

The rest are either rare or extinct

[urban flax]

From my experience galli is pretty popular too

[sick crescent]

Expect more flyer players to come out with Quetzal release

Flying itself is a niche though that many people just don’t find enjoyable to play often

[amber cosmos]

dude calling it now quetz will be op, boom and zoom pecks on medium dinos lol

[urban flax]

Flying could have been made much more interesting than it is now...

[sick crescent]

Quetz will be messed up by the devs somehow tbh I can’t trust them to touch one of my all time favorites

Flying rn as Ptera is like a flight sim lol

[amber cosmos]

lol

[sick crescent]

You go to one destination, fish at destination, take off and glide towards another destination

Same style as hopping airport to airport

[amber cosmos]

imagine trying to grow a rex when quetz comes out they just going to dive bomb them all to death

[urban flax]

I wish it was more like a flight sim
Rn it's minecraft Creative Mode but with stamina

In terms of complexity I mean

[sick crescent]

I only play Ptera a lot because I still love flyers

But holy crap the thing is defo not enjoyable to most people

Quetz won’t be as different as people think tbh in my eyes

[urban flax]

Well most people only care about killing things

[sick crescent]

Ptera CAN kill certain things

Beipi is currently actually a good Ptera matchup

As insane as that can sound at first

[sick crescent]

It’ll either suck and play like Ptera most of the time or be stupidly overpowered

Stupidly overpowered then gets overnerfed into oblivion and becomes extinct like Ptera(pre new player wave I mean)

That’s nice about flyers tbh, due to the insane survivability it doesn’t matter if you have a group or not, though I imagine Quetz groups will be more fun to play in than Ptera groups

[amber cosmos]

i think it will be faster, have better stam but turn like a buss and hit like a truck for a flyer

[urban flax]

I genuinely want Quetz to be able to go above the bar of 100 km/h when flying
At the obvious cost of crashing and breaking all its bones like an idiot if it hits an obstacle full speed

[amber cosmos]

i honestly think quetz in particular should go full realism mode as i think it would still be balanced as anything bigger then an omni raptor could probably give it bone break lol

[sick crescent]

Quetz being full realism sounds blessed and cursed

It would be gliding at 90 kmh and have absolutely absurd airtime

I think flyers are punished too much in Evrima, while in Legacy Quetz wasn't punished enough

I like the idea of Carno esque Quetz where you fear it in the open

Having very poor air agility, arguably having to put itself at risk more than Carno does, not being able to punch up above its intended prey items, etc

I think Galli and Omni should be the absolutely max thing Quetz should hunt at full adult.

Oh yeah @amber cosmos If Quetz is 700-815kg like it would be, Deino technically won't one shot Quetz lol

[urban flax]

If there were more flyers they could be more realistic and balanced better
Currently ptera needs reduced airtime so it has moments of vulnerability
But if there was a full-on aerial ecosystem it wouldn't be needed

[sick crescent]

Aerial ecosystem is hard to make because of players tbh

An aquatic ecosystem can work due to semi-aquatics, but there isn't a "semi-flyer" in the sense of Ptera, Ptero, Quetz and Tupan(hope they revive em)

And flight is an actually very niche playstyle

So flyers themselves won't be as attractive to a wider audience in the long term

[woven musk]

I was a baby patchy crossing a river and there was a full grown Dieno who was blessedly merciful. About halfway across the river a patera swoop down and pecked me nearly killing me and scaring the bejesus out of me

[urban flax]

yeah they do

[desert arch]

Np

[vital laurel]

its rly noticable lol

[desert arch]

If you look at the feedback channels youll see that its mostly the same few things over and over again. Do you expect them to reply to all of them?

And the bugs reported in those channels have mostly been fixed.

[amber cosmos]

so how does this look to everyone #general-feedback message for apex balancing to keep them from megapacking or over crowding a server

[jade brook]

At first i was thinking hunger drain wasn't the best debuff, but it could be worth trying. I was thinking "wouldn't they just kill more to compensate? They'll just flock together to hotspots like center". But it could maybe make sense that they would cooperate for bigger prey and greater spoils, but disperse when preys are scarce

maybe add a forced sound effect, like a growl? Either they show hostility toward each other or to their hunt

[amber cosmos]

yeah i mean my idea keeps most of them from being cannibal as well so they would literally kill each other to get rid of the food dubuff then have to go find more prey

i was thinking which we dont know their food drain yet but i was thinking if its somewhat slow like deino it should be a 50% food drain debuff and if its avg just make it 10 to 20% debuff

[pearl yoke]

@amber cosmos yes i understand that animals irl can sense each other, but at least right now knowing the exact location of someone is not a mechanic and not planned afaik. the difficulty with apexes is supposed to be based around competition, not mechanics. i know that may sound backwards but the difference is organic gameplay. having a system like this artificially discourages conflict, there would be no skill in the tracking part of the hunt unless scent was reworked and your idea of this scent was changed from "exact location" to just "better tracking system for the whole game." it removes player engagement and skill in tracking. secondly, the extra food drain is just unnecessary. apexes will already have a lot to fill with hunger, and this will make them fight over food even more, especially depending on how cannibalism is implemented with them considering we dont know about that yet. also, everyone thinks that rexes and gigas will be EVERYWHERE but i can assure you they will not be if the devs are serious about how hard theyre gonna be. apexes will be a ripe target through their growsn, and competition will mean you might get killed by your own species cannibalistic or not

[amber cosmos]

i mean i get where your coming from but i also know that without a mechanic in place the only thing that will organically happen is clans growing a bunch of rexes and ruining it for everyone cause they do it in every game that doesnt have mechanics to stop it from happening

[pearl yoke]

you say that as if that many rexes wont be incredibly easy to find or track. we already have a symbol on the scent compass for mix/megapacks and assuming that gets even more refined as a consequence for doing so those rexes will be stuck scavenging or catching people who dont know what scent is

[amber cosmos]

not growing rexes per say but abusing the most meta things

[pearl yoke]

one of deino groups' primary weaknesses is in fact that compass icon. even a passing deino can trigger it, ruining your ambush. the reason deinos dont really care rn is because the "safe" drinking spots barely exist, and deinos are never at a shortage for food especially with cannibalism and bone eating

[amber cosmos]

ive never seen it active with deinos ive only seen it active with stuff like carno and stegos or omnis

[pearl yoke]

as far as im aware it definitely still happens, ive smelled them quite a few times

and if it doesnt its most definitely a bug

[amber cosmos]

also clans dont need to kill people that arent in clans to grow the rexes they spawn in fresh stuff then kill them and eat them over and over to grow

[pearl yoke]

the issue with that becomes the food drain. apexes wont get to adulthood eating fast growers or even medium-length growers. if you want to be an apex youll have to hunt within a decently big size range. i cant see a rex sustaining off of anything smaller than allo, even carno will be on the lighter side of a meal

[amber cosmos]

so the idea that you can avoid clans growing 30 rexs because you can see them a mile away is silly and after they grow them they can dominate everything around their size ruining it for everyone that wants to play acro for example

[amber cosmos]

deino can literally fill up on a carno now and its around the same size as rex and a apex

[pearl yoke]

those 30 rexes will never make it to adulthood, even if you already have a rex to protect them. many other factors will contribute to their downfall, be it getting picked off by smaller, more agile dinos or starvation

[pearl yoke]

it wont stay that way, deino rn is NOT balanced lmao

[amber cosmos]

yeah well the solution they gave was a new map they arent changing its mechanics or stats

also heres the other thing, why make it so its almost impossible to grow a rex with all these made up things to make it weak when you can just balance the apex pop with my suggestion and insure the only rexs on the server are the strongest

[pearl yoke]

thats. precisely what leaving the territory idea out. would do? you let the animal have its stats and it has to hunt around them. just because a sub rex cant take on an allo or two (depending on size it might can) doesnt mean the creature is bad. it means its challenging. theres no "made up things" that make it weak youre just not a fully grown dino

the "strongest" rexes shouldnt be on the server, the most skilled should be. survival isnt always about fighting

[pearl yoke]

also, i havent seen anything from them that said they werent going to change its stats, so it could get more hunger drain or less hunger gain etc etc. we'll just have to wait and see what they do with it

all i know is dondi said "deino wont be easy much longer" or smth

[amber cosmos]

see the issue is to say a rex is weak as a sub adult is fallacy in and of itself, not only that rexs as juvies were thought to hunt in packs and spread out as they got older and i think thats how apexs should work as a whole culminating in adulthood and them claiming their own terf and defending it until they either get run out or die

[pearl yoke]

its not going to be weak, but it will absolutely not be wrecking an allo duo the same size as it

rex will be powerful at all stages, but it will take skill to balance that around your size and speed. you cant just facetank everything youll have to ambush and subdue quickly so nothing else catches you out

youll be powerful IN COMPARISON to other things your size not just powerful

[amber cosmos]

thats great, anyway im trying to balance them so they arent rampant and your solution is basically whatever happens happens lol

[pearl yoke]

yeah, i believe it should be whatever happens happens. arbitrary mechanics are never fun to play around. they should be introduced and tuned to where they fit their niche. rex will be introduced and have stats that will encourage it to participate in its naturally assigned niche, meaning that it will likely be prone to conflict without having a system that actively encourages fighting

[amber cosmos]

i really dont see how a mechanic that has you fight is boring or not fun.

[pearl yoke]

because its arbitrary. having something essentially force you into a conflict is not fun. you should be free to sneak into "territories" and ambush its owner. you can still fight, but you can participate in the engagement a lot more. its a LOAD more fun than just "here i am, lets fight"

i know a good deal of people who enjoy the more evasive playstyle (myself included). if i can steal some kills or ambush my competition, i find that so much more fun

[amber cosmos]

if you want to sneak you probably shouldnt play a giant apex is my take there are smaller and faster dinos for that, lions dont ambush and sneak other male lions they challenge them

[pearl yoke]

they dont, but they could. if you want to go out and challenge a rex head on go right ahead, but i will stick to giving myself the advantage on a rex that is not paying attention. saying that you shouldnt play an apex if you want to sneak is completely backwards, apexes will have to be good at sneaking to get kills (at least rex will if theyre keeping its am usher niche)

[amber cosmos]

see thing is your getting hunting and territory disputes confused

[pearl yoke]

no trust me im very aware of what youre talking about, but i feel like its not engaging the way youre putting it

[amber cosmos]

and because i hate the idea of rex or any apex carnivore being cannibal id rather then be incentives to cull their pops via territory disputes just like rl animals

[pearl yoke]

i feel like rex being cannibalistic wont be terrible, spino and giga i doubt will be though

[amber cosmos]

how is two rexs marching into a feild challenging each other to a duel not engaging

they literally make movies with big dinos fighting and it sells

[pearl yoke]

because youre just walking out directly into line of sight. sure its fun for a while, but think about how much better it would be to accidentally end up in an enemy's territory and you see them running at you. you have to decide at that moment whether youre fighting or not. you had no indication that they were that close to you because you werent paying attention. meanwhile on the other end that rex has been watching you and wondering if you were going to leave, and hes charging you to try and threaten you off but doesnt want a fight truly. THIS is how it should be done, not just "walk into territory and get quest marker to kill enemy"

[amber cosmos]

in my post i stated you have 10 mins before you show up on the compass

[pearl yoke]

10 mins is a short time relative to the game imo

[barren crater]

Yeah Apex carnivores being cannibals essentially means that servers can consist of 100 gigas/rexes or spinos and be fine. juvis would be the small tiers, subs would be the mids. Pretty much their own ecosystem

[amber cosmos]

facts

also bird while your here #general-feedback message

[pearl yoke]

thats just. not how it would work in vivo. that wouldnt be able to sustain itself forever, and also not everyone wants to or is able to play those dinos lmao

[amber cosmos]

10 mins is enough time to move in and out of a territory apexs trot speed seeing as they are tall af will be fast

[pearl yoke]

my whole point is you dont REALIZE youre there. it punishes you for not paying attention

[amber cosmos]

also before you say it wont be we have already seen the animation

[pearl yoke]

no im aware apexes are quick dw

[amber cosmos]

i never said you wouldnt know you entered anothers terf i just havent figured out how it would work yet

[barren crater]

I think territory was an idea. I don't like the compass thing though? Seems too deathmatchy, I know irl, but still

[pearl yoke]

agreed, we already have enough deathmatching

[amber cosmos]

the current death matching is caused by the map and everyone just going to center lol

[pearl yoke]

i dont feel like it should be easy to tell unless theyre consciously marking. i already like the forensics-esque system where you have to figure out what could have reasonably killed something that you find. it adds pressure and anxiety to think of whether you should go for that body

[barren crater]

We've had this happen in legacy and Carno in previous updates. I know, exaggeration, but everyone picks the best playables. I do think cannibalism as a feature hasn't worked. Cerato is another good example.

I'd just like to see it first.

Apexes with no cannibalism

[pearl yoke]

cera was implemented poorly imo, i expected different out of it. carno was broken af in u6 and those combined with the lack of roster variety rn result in a big meta game

[amber cosmos]

i agree cannibalism with apexs would be aids

[barren crater]

Fair, but you have to look at Carno in update 2 , 3 , 4 and so on. Whenever they were actually good / busted, they made their own ecosystem. Cera did before the recent patch

[pearl yoke]

im not saying they HAVE to be canni, im just saying i could understand if rex was bc iirc theyve mentioned it before and rex makes the most sense

[barren crater]

I know I can't predict the future, but I'd like to see them without cannibalism.

[amber cosmos]

so if yall dont want apexs to fight for territory how do you make it so people dont play nothing but rex? they can make it hard all they want that just means clans will take advantage of nobody else being able to grow them and use their group numbers to feed each other

[pearl yoke]

i know, but again. no variety. other playables didnt really have much going for them

[pearl yoke]

you cant reasonably feed an apex with another apex with the difficulty theyre planning. you cant go 2 hours without eating

[barren crater]

Fair. We'd have to see. I do think it's common for Isle players to pick the largest / meta picks. Every one does it in most games

[amber cosmos]

im sorry but we have an apex in game called deino and it can get full easily

[pearl yoke]

its definitely something that happens i wont deny it, but as more and more things are added it will get more and more varied. it will still happen, but not to a bad degree. apexes will be especially hard, and if ppl choose them bc big dino theyll be in for a surprise when its incredibly challenging to grow

[barren crater]

Agreed. Well, here's to hoping it's actually not easy like the other carnivores have been

[pearl yoke]

1. deino is just short of apex (and is not apex-balanced rn anyway)

2. deino is unbalanced

[amber cosmos]

literally just takes clan members spawning a bunch of stego babies and they could grow a rex this idea that they would need something bigger makes no sense as a carno can live off a baby stego as well and have plenty of body left after being full

[amber cosmos]

deino is an apex

its literally been called one by the devs

[pearl yoke]

it has? ive heard different my bad. its still not kitted to be one rn though, it just fits the apex of the ecosystem rn

and like theyve said before, it will get a LOT harder

rn deino gameplay is pray nobody bigger than you appears and eat fish

[amber cosmos]

the kit is most likely simply getting a vertical lunge to hit rex in the face while its standing

[pearl yoke]

maybe so, but i can see people being outraged if deino stays this easy for this long, and if some major reworks dont come. deino's grab is incredibly unfun and unbalanced rn

[amber cosmos]

im sorry but until someone comes up with a solution to the over pop of apexs besides oh they will be hard to grow i think it should be through mechanics as players will always find a way around challenges to grow something not to mention these devs think the answer to something being easy to grow is to just increase the time it takes to grow lol

[amber cosmos]

yeah i agree ive suggested changing the lunge grab to either a bone break or heavy bleed attack that stuns the target while the animation plays and it does a death roll

[pearl yoke]

thats not at all what the devs think or how it works. the entire roster contributes to your survivability by increasing or decreasing predator and prey populations across the server. a long grow sucks for sure, but apexes will have the difficulty of having to hunt to survive, meaning you have to risk it all as a not-fully-grown dino to go kill something

apexes will ALSO be a prime target, ironically how stegs and deinos are rn. you kill it bc you know its strong once its big

and if word of a clan growing a megapack gets out, ohhhh how fun the hunt would be

ive yet to do it, but i would LOVE to hunt clans like that

[amber cosmos]

problem is with your idea, everyone is going to just grow apexs regardless of how hard it is because they are the meta as adults

[pearl yoke]

theyre not going to be the meta. theyll have their niche just like everything else. they wont be slaughter machines, theyll just be above mid tiers and able to hunt big tiers

[amber cosmos]

i bet you right now my lifes savings when rex and trike come out it will be the only thing on unofficial servers that dont limit how many there are

[amber cosmos]

your faith in these devs is misplaced lol

[pearl yoke]

im not gonna say otherwise bc yeah obv on release they will be and theres a very limited roster rn. but as theyre balanced theyll fall in

[pearl yoke]

likely so lmao, but im saying this in hopes that this game comes out well balanced eventually

[amber cosmos]

yeah well i also dont have faith in the community to not all play the biggest and hardest to kill dinos all the time

if it goes the way your saying this is just going to become more eye pleasing legacy which sounds like aids

and not only that the devs also said that apexs would be stronger then they were in legacy but hard to grow and i just dont think thats the right answer lol

[pearl yoke]

what do you mean like legacy? elabporate pls

[pearl yoke]

theyll be stronger yes, meaning i wont be able to kill a rex with 4 dilos. but that rex wont be actively wreaking havoc on those dilos bc they just. run away. and are more agile

[amber cosmos]

simple in legacy everyone either plays rex, giga, utah or allo and thats literally it you sometimes see like a dibble or trike but they get wrecked, they even have purge events specifically to cull off apexs cause its all anyone plays, and the devs making them stronger in evrima in their own words is worrying to say the least which is why i came up with my idea because instead of pop capping apexs it still allows people to play them but if they are to weak they lose out to their fellow apexs but they cant complain about not playing them

[pearl yoke]

when i played legacy on official servers this was not the case. the only dinos i dont remember seeing very often were dryo, maaaaybe dibble bc of its matchup with things not being great in the final update. and the purge events happened either bc of mix/megapack reports or bc of teasing hypos

i would ALWAYS see dilos, suchos, trikes, allos, carnos, p much everything

ironically the things i saw the least were apexes (more rex than giga after rex's speed change) but idk if thats bc i avoided them or bc they were hiding from me

lots of ppl just didnt wanna bother with that 6hr growth time

and that will be the case in evrima, people just do it rn bc they have already played everything else

[amber cosmos]

i still play legacy and evrima and they purge because of rexs primarily, strains arent a think unless you play a modded server

[pearl yoke]

legacy rn, esp on community servers is not a good representation of anything

[amber cosmos]

and most things i see are rexs and allos

[amber cosmos]

sure it is cause for me i havent seen a change since evrima came out

[pearl yoke]

i guess we just played on diff servers then? i remember kicking apex and sub-apex tail

community servers are not a good representation of balance, esp with their rules or free grows and introduction of non-survival dinos

they CAN be, but the game should be balanced around official servers and let comms do what they want with that

[amber cosmos]

true but i think you can also agree the lack of enforcement by the mods and devs on official servers leaves alot lacking and servers that dont have rules tend to just be full of kosing mixpackers and that isnt fun either

[frank stream]

I stopped doing deino v deinos pvp because i can never get an actual fair pvp experience

The desync actually bends me over and spreads me

[amber cosmos]

oof

doug whats your take on the system i suggested here #general-feedback message ?

[frank stream]

I think it sounds good, but idk the size of the new gateway map or how the landmasses are gonna look so making the territory as big as the entirety of center could end up making the entire map just a bunch of apexs killing each other and will probably end up killing everything else because they were hunger drained during the fight

Ofc this only happens if the map is too small to support the territory markers

[amber cosmos]

well i was thinking of revising it your to the size of your scent range

[frank stream]

Maximum scent range? since the range changes depending on how long you sniff

[amber cosmos]

yeah probably

[frank stream]

I like your idea of trying to incite fighting amongst apex’s tho

[amber cosmos]

granted we have no idea how big those are for apexs yet

[frank stream]

But I’d go further and try to force different species of apexs to fight

By just making it so carnivorous apex’s struggle to survive off of mid tier and small tiers, and other apex’s are exceptionally easy to track

[amber cosmos]

well maybe someone could come up with an idea for mixpacking apexs but my idea is mostly to prevent one particular apex deemed the meta from being the only thing on the server while also making it fun

[frank stream]

I think it’s a good idea depending on how the dynamic between the territory size and map size turns out

But that can always be adjusted

[jade brook]

@modest wind Punch did bookmark it a year ago

Though I'm against a kill and damage stat, as it incentivise sport killing and harassing

[rain citrus]

km walked and gallons drinked

[fleet hound]

I sport kill all the time, its fun.

[limber hull]

cool, doesn't mean it should be an encouraged behaviour

[grim cedar]

"Balance herbivores, they should fear carnivores, not the other way around. They have no competition, the only carnovore that can kill one is Deinos, but even then it will take 3 full grown deinos and most likely one will die. Specially talking about Stegos."

Why is so many people downvoting this obvious problem with herbies having absolutely no purpose in the game so they go hunt carnis wich is just NOT real? lol

Are all ya guys in some herbie bully church?

[urban flax]

eat grass and die

[grim cedar]

exactly, and no gamer ever said WOW engaging gameplay lemme eat grass for 3 hours and then go off, they need purpose, like making nests, or migrating in a huge herd
They just grow and hunt carnivores in center wich is just really really unimmersive seing 4 stegos sitting at the riverbank with the tails in the water, with some tenos with em, its just nonsensical idk

[urban flax]

or fighting carnivores

[grim cedar]

but no herbie in the whole 4.6 billion years of earths lifetime, NOT ONE ever did go hunt for theyr predators

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[grim cedar]

Bro this is either a mother defending the children or one of the males protecting the herd

obviously a Zebra woul'd never walk up to a pack of lions just to fight them

[urban flax]

Nope
Zebras just are like that
Hippos too
And elephants
And rhinos
And bulls
And horses
And boars (although they're omnivore and not herbivores)
And deer sometimes
And beavers
And actually most herbivores

[grim cedar]

in defence

but discussing with a stego 1trick is not worth it i see xD

[urban flax]

Not to a pack of lions
But a zebra will totally merk an isolated carnivore it can kill
Not even only carnivores btw

[urban flax]

Yeah, in defense
Accounting that they view anything entering their field of view an offense

[grim cedar]

exactly, so you see that RN in the game its just absolute nonsense

[urban flax]

How so ?

[grim cedar]

yeah our discussion just went tru ur airbrain wat? xD

[urban flax]

What's happening in-game about herbivore/carnivore interactions that make so little sense ?
Apart from the fact carnivores will never back down from a fight even if they're obviously gonna lose, and that their hunting success rate is much higher than most irl predators

[grim cedar]

The herbies standing at a river with tails in the water for hours just to feck with deinos, it's not that i play either of this dinos, just seeing it takes a lot away from the game

i see where u comming from with the carnis not letting down, but as a herbie, u'll kill them or they run, i don't really understand why this should be a problem on the same status as aggro herbies?
Isn't that more of a balancing thing?

[urban flax]

The fact stegos can put their tails in water and bully deino is because rivers are too thin for deinos to actually go around it, and most deino players are too stupid to not take the bait

And it's only stegos doing that, not all herbis

[grim cedar]

Yeah so i'ts kind of a map balancing thing. i see

[worn urchin]

when do we get results from the Stress test applications? cause i cant wait 😄

[grim cedar]

i saw tenos, gallis (allthough gallis can't really annoy u in water) evven beipis xD

[urban flax]

You saw them doing what ? Putting their tails in the water ?
For tenos and gallis it's a death wish
And for beipis... well they're semi-aquatic

[grim cedar]

yeee, never saw 2 or 3 tenos camping a riverbank to wait until one gets a deino stunned? and then the others rock on it?
ngl i was kinda laughting my ass off watching it but still, jut no animal ever would do that

[urban flax]

Teno can't stun deino

Unless it's a very small juvie
In which case, it's deserved

[grim cedar]

xD

it was a medium sized one but tbh no idea from seeing it how far it grew xD

but can we agree that herbies need some more purpose in the game?

[urban flax]

Everything needs more purpose in the game

[grim cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

in real life the purpose for most animals is reproduction

[urban flax]

Carnis have it better because it's in their interest to be fighting things since they need it for food
But for herbis, getting food is boring and they get punished for fighting
They just get bored quickly

[grim cedar]

soi should we making nests more valuable?

[urban flax]

But nesting isn't really a viable tactic right now

[grim cedar]

exactly

[grim cedar]

yyeah, would be cool if parents get a buff around nests and juves

[urban flax]

Yeah, and also easier on diets and food/water drain
Because nesting requires setting down on a specific place for a long amount of time, which isn't possible with the current drains

[urban flax]

Seeing how the conversation started, I didn't think we would end up agreeing ^^'

[grim cedar]

neither did i xD i can be a bit harsh with stuff im kinda passionate about sometimes >.>

No means to personal offence friend 🙂

[urban flax]

It's ok

[safe crow]

After the update, it became impossible to play on the gamepad, previously it was enough just to connect the gamepad and the game worked fine, now it completely ignores it. Maybe someone knows how to solve this problem?

[mighty tusk]

Go here if you wanna get stuck and starve 😦
Lat: -394,400.49
Long: -310,186.446
Alt: -27,890.407

[wispy jackal]

Agreeing with the suggestion on adding actual weight to the animations. Right now so many of the dinosaurs look like they are walking as if they are super light. Cerato looks okay but Carno definitely needs more heft in those steps too.
The lack of weight to so many movements has definitely been my biggest gripe with the models so far

Baby omni model is atrocious, it looks like a string puppet being jiggled just above the ground......... and yes, stego does look like a bloated and stiff balloon as it runs and walks

[barren zephyr]

stego run looks like moon gravity

other than that it's fine

[barren zephyr]

@hollow notch you don't deserver a close respawn. Just because you have friends doesn't mean you are better than others.

[hollow notch]

actually i do not have friends, just found a couple troodents ingame and was attacked by a croc, so lost group and could not find them searching for an hour....

[amber cosmos]

instead of a close respawn just make it so you dont lose group unless you switch species

[hollow notch]

yeah something like that would still be a good option

[barren zephyr]

negative, that would make game way too ez

[amber cosmos]

that literally makes no sense

[hollow notch]

???

[barren zephyr]

if you know where your allies are even after u die

[amber cosmos]

its a multiplayer game there should be no reason other then switching species to lose your grou[

[barren zephyr]

way too ez

[hollow notch]

yeah not every players knows every inch of the map

[amber cosmos]

are you on crack

[barren zephyr]

your creature died, the new one is not the same one. You need to find a new group.

[hollow notch]

i died in center and choose south, could not find the way over

it is exactly the same with the same name and the same coloring 😉

[amber cosmos]

this isnt a simulator lol if it was id be complaining about everything

[hollow notch]

but yeah in reality it would not be like that...but then again in reality you would not spawn again

[barren zephyr]

you are pilotin a dino, groups have nothing to do with you personally

groups are for creatures, not players

[hollow notch]

ok cool then remove the group option all together, everyone should have the same single player experience

no need for groups at all

[barren zephyr]

groups are fine but they should never last beyond death

[hollow notch]

yeah i am not discussing this further with you, i agree to a disagreement

[barren zephyr]

I win yet again

[amber cosmos]

dumb and unnecessary take that only makes the game annoying to play with friends

[barren zephyr]

if you are playing with friends you are already in discord, shouldn't have any problem finding your group

[amber cosmos]

thats excatly right except if im making new friends but i die to a random ambush while trying to get their info to add them and i cant find them again its freaking annoying

its not like there is a list of players like there was on legacy to auto add people on steam

[hollow notch]

yeah it should be possible to somehow manage other players ingame, either via playerlist or retain group etc.

the way it is now, just seems barebone

this is a multiplayer game and it needs to handle multiple players

[barren zephyr]

It's not good to make dying less impactful, players don't matter, dinos do

[amber cosmos]

its not making it less impactful the fact you lose hours of progress every time you die is already impactful enough, combine that with the struggle of trying to get your diets set to what you want and then losing them adds even more time. making it even more annoying by making it so you cant add people you find in game after you die is stupid, i know alot of people that play until they die for the day then hop off so you dont even get the chance to find them again to add them, we need a character list in game so we can make friends

[urban flax]

@brittle kiln What about velociraptor ?
(Also austroraptor already has feathers)

[barren zephyr]

your problem if you can't type discord username

character list would only help those who want to bully a specific player

[amber cosmos]

dummy i dont know everyone's discord user name, and frankly i dont go adding everyone i play with i usually wait till im about to get off to determine i can actually trust them and they dont stab me in the back and eat me, issue is if i due first or one of them dies then poof i never see them again even if i do like them, its literally happened to me at this point dozens of times where i wanted to add someone and something happened before i could. your immersion in no way is broken by a character list and frankly if it is you should play with no hud at all times and also never hit tab

honestly at this point think your a freaking csgo cod player that just happens to like crocodiles so you play this game lol

[barren zephyr]

you keep listing personal issues to justify a bad change xD

[barren zephyr]

never in my life played cod

[amber cosmos]

yes thats generally how people make their case for a change is by giving personal examples i fail to see your point here

[barren zephyr]

so you want them to make game worse for personal gain

[amber cosmos]

im fairly confident you would be in the minority in this particular topic

[delicate spindle]

@humble pollen good news for your feedback of the map gateway coming soon with 1 new biome highlands and lakes a grass on that map also looks better

[amber cosmos]

and nothing about this would make the game worse

[delicate spindle]

@polar ore { Maybe a dinosaurs that can be small , Frog or Something }we have troodon

[hollow notch]

I sign to this.

[delicate spindle]

@humble pollen [i was playing my fully grown deino and died from 10 other deinos that wanted to attack me for no reason, dont you think its time to put some basic rules? i dont think theres something worse than 10 deinos chasing you, its lame. im not saying the game should be ultra realistic but its just cringe to have teams of 10s wanting to kill you] this is becouse deino is on deino siet gives s neutrient and yeah just sucks get over it sorry for being hard on you

@dawn goblet[The messages for what info is hidden when "Streaming Mode" is enabled, should indicate it's hidden because of Streaming Mode being enabled rather than just "Error"] - your message - this is becouse Streamers dont get stream sniped when looking in the caracter menu if you turn streaming mode off your coordinates will show

[polar ore]

T? Wat

[delicate spindle]

your answer

for small dinos we have troodon

[polar ore]

Frog?

[lyric pollen]

we already have a frog ai

[barren zephyr]

playable turtles would be cool

[brittle kiln]

I forgot velociprator XD
Velociraptor with feathers would be awesome

[humble pollen]

i dont care that its on the S diet the think is that it was 10 of them or more thats the cringe part..

also finally new enviroment and grass with the gateway

[pliant shuttle]

I bought the game 2 weeks ago, it was so much fun, then i started to discover that the game has been abandonned drastically. The only conversation i could have is from discord admin that has 0 power in game.
Yet those big issue are persisting.

• The food is a major issue, it's still bugged after how many years?
• Food picking is still bugged.
• There are still spawn in tree, it would take 2minutes to change those spawn location, still people are experiencing it. It happened to me once and lost 45 minutes waiting to die of starvation, useless.
• There is absolutely no action taken against cheaters.

It'd take about 25minutes fixing the 3 first issues.

Not long before going to ask for a refund, thanks a lot.

[woven musk]

I've never got stuck anywhere

Now now I'm not saying it's not an issue just because it hasn't happened to me. But maybe it's being blown a smidge out of proportion on its severity

And I've only seen one confirmed hacker in almost a hundred hours of playtime

Didn't die to him either, just watched that speedy Gator munch on a couple ceras

The food glitch is a pretty valid point though but it's not exactly hardcore game breaking

[amber cosmos]

ive encountered hackers every single time ive played on official servers

[woven musk]

How I only play official?

You some kind of hacker magnet or something?

[amber cosmos]

guess you been lucky, i havent played them since last patch

last patch there was a group of speed hacking and teliporting packys on na 2 for example for the whole patch

you would be chilling in a bush for 20 mins and one would teliport ontop of you and smack you

there were 3 of them i remeber one always had the red male skull

[woven musk]

Now I will say I've heard that the hackers are mostly on The na 1-3 servers

And I usually don't play on those

So maybe that has something to do with it?

[amber cosmos]

there were also alot of speed hacking stegos that could run down carnos on NA 7

and ive also had a deino teliport to me at nesting grounds in the south of the map and kill us while we were nesting on NA 5

ontop of that alot of people seem to use a hack that lets them see your name as if your an admin

making it so you cant hide

[woven musk]

Oh I think I ran into that

One time I was hiding in a bush as a Utah and a car no found me out of nowhere

I ran away and hit again, and he found me again pretty dang quick

Although there was a point where he ran past me without noticing me he just turned around and saw me so maybe that wasn't it I don't know

But if he was hacking that makes two times I've seen a hacker in almost 100 hours

It's the unfortunate truth about video games if you play you're going to eventually run into a hacker

[amber cosmos]

ive got 263 hrs on evrima and ive encountered it only on officials and probably about 5 times granted thats literally every time i played on those servers except for one time.

[barren zephyr]

I've got 400 hrs on evrima and have not seen a single obvious cheater on official servers (they are not hackers).

[amber cosmos]

you literally only play deino so

hard to find hackers when all you do is sit in the water

[woven musk]

Semantics

[barren zephyr]

wrong

[barren zephyr]

wrong

[barren zephyr]

idk what that word means brudda

[woven musk]

Basically it's just a choice of words that essentially mean the same thing in the context of which they're used

[amber cosmos]

what other dino do you play?

[woven musk]

For example we're calling them hackers but we're meaning cheaters

[amber cosmos]

so you have seen a hacker in the water then?

[woven musk]

Basically tomato tomahto

[barren zephyr]

every single one

[amber cosmos]

really? cause you yourself have literally stated in other discussions all you play is deino

so basically your a liar regardless of what the truth is

[barren zephyr]

I have stated I play 90% deino

[woven musk]

I don't think he meant it literally

For example I could say all I play is Utah

But I don't literally only play Utah

Just mostly

[barren zephyr]

I have spawned in more rapters than deinos btw

[woven musk]

Perhaps it would be more accurate just for him to say I mean Dieno

[amber cosmos]

yeah well people should be carefull with what they say in a text form cause i cant read sarcasm or non of that and i tend to take it as its written

[woven musk]

Main*

[barren zephyr]

same 🙂

[amber cosmos]

yeah so anyway im just going to assume your full of it

[barren zephyr]

full of what?

[amber cosmos]

you simp for deino way to much anyway to have ever played anything else

[woven musk]

Ladies ladies calm down You're both beautiful

[barren zephyr]

deinos is the cooles, most well made dino in the game

[barren zephyr]

tyvm skeletor

[woven musk]

"air is fair and balanced" kek

[amber cosmos]

while i agree it also needs to be balanced and you shoot every idea down and blame the other dinos lol

[barren zephyr]

deino is perfectly balanced (just have to make model bigger), everything else around it needs adjustment

[woven musk]

I do think it'd be cool if they turn the Deino grab into a tug of war type mechanic

Barring of course tiny dinos versus like a full grown croc obviously

[urban flax]

You mean, making it something other than clicking RMB once to instakill anything under 4 tons ? Preposterous

[woven musk]

I just think it honestly make the croc more fun too

Cuz when I play croc I mostly just troll people cuz there's not much challenge in it at the moment

Of course that may change once they add other aquatic dinos

[barren zephyr]

if you want tug of war then it should just execute everything smaller than 1 ton? 800kg?

[urban flax]

Well they added beipi
But no semiaquatic other than spino will really be compteition for Deino

[barren zephyr]

current deino lunge is fun to use, I don't want to lose my ability to displace creatures for fun

[woven musk]

I'd make it a tug of war match for just about anything, but have the croc have the advantage based off its weight versus the target. Just like a little fight before the croc picks up its target and drags it into the depths

To make a benefit to the croc I'd also make them able to grab stegos

But of course there'd be a hard tug a war match to actually get them in the water

[barren zephyr]

cuz I can't see a raptor for example have any chance to tug deino

[urban flax]

Deino lunge could be fun or balanced the way it is...
If it required the slightest bit of skill
Even omni's pounce requires more skill to use rn

Wavepoole's idea of turning lunge into a charged attack is honestly very good

[barren zephyr]

tbh, anything below 4-5 tons wouldn't win

[barren zephyr]

deino lunge is rly buggy rn, rapter is easier

[urban flax]

Well if you're taking bugs into account pounce is much harder since anything with an alt-bite can kill you when you're latched

[barren zephyr]

crocodilians are all about being snappy, not charging up an attack

[urban flax]

Yes but games are about making things interesting

[amber cosmos]

i honestly thing the lunge should be replaced with a stun that has the deino do a deathroll while latched onto something and either giving it a massive amount of bleed as if it was ripping a chunk out of it or give it bone break so the croc can follow it on land and finish the job while the land dino has a chance to escape

nigel save your breath i already know your take lol

[urban flax]

Now that's the opposite of what a croc does

[barren zephyr]

It's not very interesting if you have to cook up an attack when you only have a small window for it

[urban flax]

I understand that having a chance at failing your hunt makes things less interesting for you
But there's also normal people who play this game

[amber cosmos]

not really crocs in africa when they are desperate will actually rip chunks out of hippos and run away or die to them lol

[barren zephyr]

death roll could be cool but it should come with loss of limbs or something to make it useful, bleed has no use when creature can limp away on land

[urban flax]

Yeah when they're desperate
But the main tactic of crocs is always to drag prey underwater

[amber cosmos]

yes well thats what everyone is complaining about and the reason some people dont even want it in the game at all

[barren zephyr]

If you don't sit center you have 1-2 chances to grab something in 3 hours of play

[urban flax]

Yeah, but if that's to stay, might as well make it somewhat interesting

[amber cosmos]

and id rather not smash my keyboard to pieces wrestling with a gator in a mini game

[barren zephyr]

not possible to sustain a deino jsut from hunting even now

[urban flax]

Yeah that'd be lame

[amber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

[barren zephyr]

you have to play a round of balloon tower defence and survive lvl 10 to get out

[barren zephyr]

yeah, can't grab an adult carno every 20 minutes to sustain hunger

[urban flax]

Aren't you the one who was saying the current tactic of just avoiding ever meeting a deino is fine ?
Guess why you aren't catching many people

[barren zephyr]

so if everyone is avoiding me then why does deino still need a nerf?

[amber cosmos]

dude just go to center like everyone else and steal a body off the beach or kill another deino its easy

[woven musk]

I'll be 100% off with you chief I have to disagree with you on that one

I have a full grown Dino on NA4 and all I do is eat fish

Had him for about 10 hours now as a full grown

[urban flax]

So the map can be designed in a way that makes it possible for deinos to live anywhere, and people to have a chance at encountering a deino and survive

[woven musk]

Honestly just surprised haven't been candied yet

[barren zephyr]

hunting is killing drinkers not fish

[woven musk]

Oh I misunderstood

[barren zephyr]

so maybe make the map first and then see how bad you have to spank my lizard boi

[woven musk]

I guess if I really had to have a complaint about Dienos atm

Is there kind of invincible except for other Crocs

That's why I think that took a war thing would make it a little more interesting

Even if it's only for like 10 seconds wrestling in Omni down it'll give its pack mates a chance to attack the crock versus the crock disappearing back into the water instantly

[urban flax]

It's not really a nerf if it makes things both interesting for both ends

[amber cosmos]

i disagree with that Jim stego cant wreck crocs and if they so choose can literally camp bodies and keep them from eating

[urban flax]

(Not like omnis have a chance to do anything in 10 seconds)

[barren zephyr]

carno maybe, rapter def no. Deino is 16 times the size of a rapter

[woven musk]

Stegos and Crocs can fight yeah, but all the croc has to do is just go back into the water

And if a stego gets a tail swipe on a crocks tail

[barren zephyr]

stego can follow it

[woven musk]

It tickles

The only thing that can kill a croc dependably is a stego hit to the head

[urban flax]

If a stego follows a deino into deep water it dies

[woven musk]

Outside of other Crocs of course

[barren zephyr]

it usually does 20% hp if stego hits the wind near the tip of a deinos tail

[amber cosmos]

yes but if the croc goes back into the water it still loses as now it has to heal and it still didnt get food so

[barren zephyr]

knee deep

[woven musk]

Bro I was fighting stegos just the other day as a full grown Dino I would just turn my head away from the riverbank If they hit me it would do like 3% damage

[amber cosmos]

but anyway stego is being removed so it doesnt matter

[woven musk]

I genuinely have no idea where you're getting 20% from lol

[urban flax]

If it's knee deep then the deino hasn't retreated into water
It just has moved a few meters back

[barren zephyr]

please teach me master

[woven musk]

I genuinely will, cuz I promise you they don't hurt that hard

[barren zephyr]

tail swing has 20m hitbox for some reason

[woven musk]

I was actually trying to bait the stego into wasting stam

[amber cosmos]

ive actually been headshot by a stego from behind before, if they get right ontop of you then do the tail attack toward your head from behind it registers as a head attack somtimes

[woven musk]

So two other full growns could attack him when he was tired

[woven musk]

I think that might be your problem never leave the water if you're fighting a stego

At least not all the way

Going to be able to quickly retreat once I turn their tail on you

[amber cosmos]

i wasnt fighting it i was eating and it ran from a bush at me

[barren zephyr]

the attack like buffers or something and when animation play I am already gone but take damage

[woven musk]

I'm kind of sad they're removing stego

Like don't get me wrong body camping is a big issue for stegos

But I feel like there's better remedies than just removing them

[amber cosmos]

either way i think the lunge is busted and at the bare minimum needs changes and i dont think a struggle mini game is the answer as i like my keyboard

[woven musk]

They could just make it so that Crocs make more signs whenever they move underwater

So that unless you literally walk up on a crock right where he's waiting

You can at least notice them if you're paying attention

[barren zephyr]

yes, give it more damage resist for tail and body hits and reduce tail damage/speed

[barren zephyr]

you can already

[urban flax]

Only if the deino decides to surface for some reason

[amber cosmos]

i think stego for what it is isnt OP i just think there isnt anything on land to contend with it yet because all we have is carno

[barren zephyr]

make them larger, harder to pilot rivers without touching the surface

[barren zephyr]

find some canni deinos and drink near them, just out of their attack range

[urban flax]

what ?

[barren zephyr]

there aren't any deinos near cannibals (they usually sit on the shore with corpses) and go drink like 50-100m away (maybe in a bush)

[urban flax]

I'm not talking about the deinos that sit on shores
These ones aren't dangerous
Also that's wrong, there are often other deinos hiding underwater when there's deinos on shore

[barren zephyr]

then just drink coke, problem solved

brown river water isn't good

[amber cosmos]

i mean i already agree that people should adapt and learn to drink from safe spots but i also think there should be more areas to cross rivers that arent really safe per say but atleast gives you a chance to avoid the grab, which i think the grab is still kinda busted but yeah i dont think they will ever get rid of it

[woven musk]

I just think they should make like water ripples anytime a Dieno of sufficient size (say 60%+) is "sprinting" under water

That way they either have to move slow

Which would allow drinkers to like kind of spot drink fill up a little here run down river aways fill up a little more so on so forth

Or would make it to where if you were paying close attention you might see the Dino coming for you if he comes at you with speed

Like the ripple shouldn't be super obvious but they should be spottable if you're paying attention

[barren zephyr]

I think I did say that at one point

[woven musk]

My apologies I'm at work, I'm probably missing some of the conversation as calls come in etc

[barren zephyr]

not today, like a week ago?

[woven musk]

Ah I see

Well if so I support it, I think it'd be a good middle ground

Cuz I mean fair is fair if you walk right up to a dieno and take a sip of water you going to die

But it make it where they can't just sneak up on you at mock 10 from downriver

[barren zephyr]

if they use too much stam they can't drown large targets tho

adult cera takes about 90-95% of stamina to drown

[woven musk]

That is true, but it'd make it a little more fair for the smaller insta kill targets

I don't think Dienos far is bad balance wise versus other dinos is everybody makes it out to be

But I do think they could be made more fun

Their main flaw is just need something that can actually hunt/kill them dependably

[barren zephyr]

they don't need it, current situation is fine

for a 5 hour investment being able to play for 10-15 hours as adult is fine imo

[amber cosmos]

everything in this game should have something in their biome they should atleast be equal to or a prey item of, having said that i think spino will become a much bigger menace then deino currently is lol

[frank stream]

I don’t think a lunge mini game is good but instead of the o2/stam drain to be as rapid as it is the lunge should allow the gator to thrash and grind to try drain o2, bleed, and burn the targets hp, at the cost of gator stam

At the same time it should deal small damage but stun and fracture against targets too big to snatch

[hollow notch]

there should be a way to see my living dino on a server without logging in, i have a couple of them and i do not want to write this stuff down on which server i have which dino

[barren zephyr]

Just remember it bro

[urban flax]

That function used to exist, idk why it was removed

[hollow notch]

was there an unreal enginge switch?

[urban flax]

Yeah they switched from UE4 to UE5

[hollow notch]

maybe that was the reason...but this would reduce login logoff of servers

[urban flax]

It was removed before the switch
The function didn't actually stay for very long, maybe it wasn't working properly

[hollow notch]

or it had somekind of performance hit, which they did not like

[hollow notch]

i think performance should be a high priority 🙂

[urban flax]

Yeah
Not sure how a main menu function affects in-game performance but if it does I understand why it would have been taken out

[hollow notch]

the infos right now are valid for most users, whenever any users goes into the serverlist, it now has to get user specific data of any player at the server list. This could be a performance issue which could cause lag

[ruby thorn]

I feel compelled to ask, since I haven't seen this talked about but just in case it has been: Is there some sort of community stance on the concept of having multiple character slots (aka for different species) per server, or some sort of hard dev stance on that? It's something I've felt curious about for a long time.

[valid brook]

community stance i think is pretty split. My opinion on it is it would make revenge killing in a game where death can mean losing hours on end of progress too likely. and the ways that have been brought up to go around that issue so far have made it seem not very worth while

[ruby thorn]

I see, thanks for the info, that helps a lot.

[raven ginkgo]

pls change this #general-feedback message

[dawn goblet]

I know why it's disabled, I just wish it indicated what setting in the game caused it to become disabled, or a tool tip on the "Streaming Mode" to indicate what is hidden when the option is enabled

[scarlet dragon]

please

[fleet hound]

If the character are removed from the server then placing that character in a new server would mean there are spawn zones that can be camped. The server is persistent, so when you log out your character is left in its spot, as we know already. If you remove em from that server and place em in a new one, then the issue would be server hopping behaviors to avoid fights and save those characters for example... lots of issues with that tbh. The only thing I could think of is possibly allowing multiple character slots per server, but then the server has to save multiple locations per user client, not that it doesn't already save each clients location on that server. However I think the server cycles your character out of this "backlog of clients" based on time elapsed between logins, potentially every week.. if you don't log into your character after a week it's location and stats are erased in order to make room for new characters belonging to other clients.. how often this happens im not sure, but I do notice it is somewhat frequent.

[fleet hound]

In fact the more I think about it, I don't that would be possible either because in the event you saved in the same location as another character may create a conflict in the logic of persistence, where two objects can't placed in the same location at the same time.

[acoustic spruce]

Time to upgrade your pc

[ruby thorn]

Well what I was referring to was exactly being able to have more than one character per server. Mostly for the concern of having to commit to only one experience in a server and having to force failure if you want to try out a different animal. Since most other games of a similar style already had that option I was wondering about this game's stance on it.

[fleet hound]

Yeah, I think it's possible. Ultimately I think it would come down to the server's ability to persist your location on each character at scale for example. Additionally another issue that could arise would be (likely inevitable) is a higher prevalence of higher growth dinosaurs being present for example, because people would have multiple characters on one server this COULD allow you to grow save, start again, grow save, etc until you have fully grown number of dinosaurs, should people be allowed to have multiple deinos in storage, or only one per dinosaur? Etc etc. I think it might be worth looking into.

[ruby thorn]

One per species is a sensible situation imo. I know PoT does it that way at least.

[fleet hound]

At the surface this could mean a higher cost on servers, also, consider this.. if we allow people to save say 5 characters per server, then you could argue this would multiply the persistence needs to 5 times what already exists. Whether they store character details via BLK files or whatever, it does add up over time when your talking about thousands of clients connecting and reconnecting throughout the week on each aerver.

If it came down to higher player counts or higher character counts for example, I'd rather have one character present per server with 200+ clients.. the reason I bring this up is because adding additional clients relates to adding server storage for storing character data for example.

[ruby thorn]

Oh I understand there are technical limitations, I have no questions regarding that scenario since it’s a monster of its own. My question was leaning more towards how it was perceived simply as a gameplay aspect.

[fleet hound]

Yeah it'd be cool in specifically the scope of gameplay of course. My concern would be server limitations, cost and practicality. Also like I stated before, in my list of priorities I'd rather use that server space for more clients vs more characters per client because making the gameworld feel more alive to me takes priority over giving players more saves for example, but if we could have both.. why not?

[vernal igloo]

guys for those who vote for ❌, tell me why you didn't like the idea of ​​the quadricycle as the first vehicle for humans on the isle evrima

[frank stream]

You need better graphics

Bro

I made practically an identical suggestion to the barinasuchus except it was for a kapro and I got shot down

[limber hull]

because Kapro is literally miniscule

[frank stream]

The role was identical

Baby killer that runs from everything

Also barinasuchus would be a lot more dominant on land

It’s heavier than all of the current carnivore roster

[limber hull]

It'd be minced by deinos

[frank stream]

Almost everything is minced by Deinos, but introducing another semi aquatic that’s gonna dominate a lot of the land roster is gonna have a lot of people complaining

Especially since it’s a gator so they’ll give it a grab probably

[limber hull]

i mean, if added, it shouldn't be any time soon

[frank stream]

I do hope they add it tho lol

It’s just a stronger version of what I wanted with the same playstyle

I will not turn that down

[limber hull]

kapro just doesnt work because it's VERY small

[frank stream]

It’s like a ton

So around the size of an Omni raptor, I think that’s perfect for something that’s gonna be doing a lot of running and baby killing

[zinc fjord]

how can i report a bug? when i push the tab button, it doesnt show me my location (longitude and latitude) like i see with everyone else

also, when i go to join a server, it says it's full even tho it isn't. like just now i tried to join server NA3 and it had 83 players in it but when i went to join, it said it was full

[icy lion]

Make sure streamer mode is disabled. Bugs can be reported in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[zinc fjord]

👍

[limber hull]

@brittle kiln that's literally already a thing lol

you can toggle humans on or off in unoffical serveers

[brittle kiln]

thank godness 🤧❤

[urban flax]

Kapro is pretty much the size of a dog

[frank stream]

Again, just further makes it a better baby killer

but i also wouldn't mind them using the 3 ton land menace

[wispy jackal]

That is a large and very heavy dog lmao

[frank stream]

dense boy

[frank stream]

also, it should be almost double the size of a dog, the skull is considerably larger than doggy skull

[tropic forge]

what 500iq individual thinks its a good idea for herbies to be just fine after killing thier own?

[cyan flame]

Why shouldn't they be? Another herbi could be a threat, or competition, and so on. Or sometimes just a bother for that matter.

[tropic forge]

not another herbi, another of the same species

because they never do that in nature aside from competition between adult males which also almost never ends with dead

[cyan flame]

Yes, the same still applies

I've had stranger stegos come far too close to my offspring, I'd rather swing at them than wait and see if they will be nice or not

[tropic forge]

that isnt the same as killing them

hurting each other is common, killing isnt

[cyan flame]

Fair, but at least in current game, most people tend to prefer to fight to death, rather than take a warning hint or even a "I might lose this fight, maybe I shouldnt continue"

[tropic forge]

indeed, but that doesnt mean its correct, most fights should be just to hurt each other,not to kill

[cyan flame]

I mostly just wanted to point out that there can and do exit legit reasons for being aggro, even to someone of your own species, mostly due to food being scarce or potential threat to you or someone else you care for

Which is probably why people are negative to any form of punishment

[tropic forge]

hurting each other should have no punishment
killing though should, so as to still scare the opponent but not to be able to kos any smaller of your species

[cyan flame]

Might work, but you'd still risk someone doing so just to kill you, and thus being punished for surviving since you had no choice but to fight to the end

I'd rather give more reasons to want others of your kind existing, if not neccesarily around you in particular, than adding punishments that could be used for potential griefing

[tropic forge]

a single death shouldnt have a large or perminent effect, but similar to what they used to say with albino skins, if you kill many of your own species you would get debuffs no neceserally related to combat

giving more reasons to being friendly is also very good idea, but in the current point of the game where stegos especially have no threats when reaching adulthood, they dont care about teaming at all

[cyan flame]

To be fair, if stegos are that lacking in threats, wouldn't it be a good thing that they cull their own, just like deinos?

[tropic forge]

i dont think thats a good way to balance the game,but i guess that will change when bigger predators are added

[cyan flame]

I'd say it might be needed, unless you always want to make all herbis more or less require groups. It's not unreasonble to have solitary or pair only herbis, at least not when it comes to the larger ones

Especially so when some aren't designed for herding at that, like stego in this case

[tropic forge]

i dont think they should be forced to group but having predators means its always positive to have more of your species even if not right next to you

[barren zephyr]

@vernal igloo rapters drive truck soon?

[vernal igloo]

it would be another way for the humans of the evrima island to move around with their human and dinosaur friends inside the bucket of these vehicles 🙂

[desert arch]

Humans and dinos working together

[barren zephyr]

I would only play human if I could suplex small creatures

[vernal igloo]

well that depends on how the (dino) players will act with the (human) players and how the (human) players will act with the (dino) players

[vernal igloo]

Yes

[valid brook]

@random hazel they all ready can, unless you mean in the sense of, without having the diets them selves (fun fact. unless it changed in 6.5 you dont need your diet to be active to give it to a small)

[cyan flame]

They could possibly mean in the sense of giving all three nutris of what you have, as in, all three of one kind, or two/one. I don't believe that currently works, unless it has been changed for this patch.

[dull jungle]

What do y’all think about my suggestion

[valid brook]

maybe, i dont believe that works either.

[desert arch]

Lets say that a human decides to work with a gallimimus and treats it as a mount. That human would be impossible to kill no matter what, while also being incredibly dangerous if armed.
Thats not the only thing as well, ankys or other big berbis could be used to protect human bases/spawn points making them essentially impossible to kill.

[random hazel]

what you feed your babies depends on your diet

I'm suggesting babies should get all 3 nutrients regardless of what their parents have

[valid brook]

gotcha, yeah thats what i thought. fair enough either way ^.^

[static brook]

at the moment playing teno on utah misses the point because it is unplayable, you can't do anything when utah jumps on you, they gave some cooldown of using the tail as utah jumps away from you.

[tropic forge]

i dont see the point of adding humans
you craft an ecosystem that is already very difficult to balance
and just ruin it by adding humans that are all over the place

[urban flax]

The point of humans is that they're part of the game

[tropic forge]

this is for the future when Allo is added
but i read that younger Allos were faster than adults
so perhaps make it so sub Allo is faster than adult by a bit

[raven ginkgo]

#general-feedback message

please god

[dull jungle]

Ya I gotta agree with you I think adding humans will turn out to be a bad idea in the long run

[desert arch]

@errant hedge Devs mostly talk in #isle-discussion , so keep an eye on that channel if you want to ask questions.
You have to hold alt while pressing either lmb or rmb (depending on the dino).

[valid meteor]

@midnight stirrup 1. I have, what does that have to do with it? And 2. Discuss in here

[midnight stirrup]

your issue is caused by the settings being changed to have players automatically alt-bite.

[valid meteor]

No, it’s not. No matter if you automatically alt bite or manually alt bite, you can’t move while doing it.

[midnight stirrup]

then im confused what youre talking about, alt bite isnt supposed to allow you to move

[valid meteor]

… huh? Why? I know it’s a powerful bite, but not being able to move while using it makes it not worth the risk.

[fleet hound]

I really think making a type of plant that reduces the effects of vomit sickness would be great, I just don't want to be punished to AFK rest, because I can't find fresh food as a juvenile dinosaur.

[barren zephyr]

@silver star devs have better things to do than read the same thing 10 times every day. It demotivates them from even reading suggestions.

[silver star]

This topic is literally for that. It's made for feedback. That's what it's about. It's not "general-new-suggestions"

[barren zephyr]

clueless

jist upvote good feedback instead

[silver star]

do that rather than complain about how others share their experience then lol

[barren zephyr]

I downvote all spam, get that ****out my face

[silver star]

good for you man but that's not what spam means

[barren zephyr]

it's literally the definition

[silver star]

lmao..

[strange quiver]

I'm so confused at why my body thrash suggestion is lumped in with "spam" but alright?

[silver star]

apparently if it's not new enough for "naughtnigel" then it's spam

[strange quiver]

Didn't know some people actually like having to bite at a ragdoll 20 times and miss half the bites to rip organs out

[barren zephyr]

downvotes aren't reserved for spam, I just don't think your suggestion is good enough

[strange quiver]

Elaborate?

How is holding G to target the body and retrieve organs objectively worse than needing to awkwardly shuffle around on it and bite the floor

[barren zephyr]

never had any problems with extracting organs

holding G grabs a piece, tapping G picks up body

[strange quiver]

Extracting them is a massive pain if the body hasn't already been gnawed on and torn open. Even worse if it has slid down a hillside or slope at all, because the hitbox ends up desynced.

[barren zephyr]

or was it the other way 🙂

[strange quiver]

Tap for pick up, hold for grab. Which is why it makes sense for small animals that can't feasibly grab the body to instead tear at it.

[barren zephyr]

wouldn't it make more sense to just fix desync?

[strange quiver]

It also seems to take a lot longer for something little to open a body vs something big, which can make the desync even worse. A carno or cerato can bite open an omni body in a few clicks but a troodon needs to sit there and bite it over and over.

It's also not super clear when the body is considered "open", so you have to either A) keep biting until it doesn't deteriorate anymore or B) stop, try to rip an organ and only get meat, keep biting

It's just a really awkward process all the way around and it could be made so much more intuitive to the player.

As much as I'd love the corpse desync to be fixed so you don't have to fortnite dance over a body to eat it or bite it, games like this are always bound to have some level of desync when ragdolls are involved. It'd be much easier to just let small things that'd take 10 years to bite the body open hold G on it.

Doubly so because if you can pick it up you can thrash it and get the organs that way. If you're not big enough to pick it up... You do the grab animation anyway and instantly let go. Which in itself is odd and a time waste when every second wasted at a corpse can mean something bigger adding you to the plate.

[barren zephyr]

I don't agree with adding features to compensate for poor coding

[strange quiver]

I mean, I don't either, but I also don't agree with not adding features that make sense and are already technically present.

Thrashing food already exists. Just let things that can't pick up bodies do it too.

Not to mention the problem with visual clarity as well. Even if the desync was a non-factor, there's still the issue of the body needing to be at a certain "stage" before you can rip the organs out. They can be completely visible at say, 9 bites in, but if you stop biting and try to take one you'll just get meat because it's still not open enough.

Anyway I'm done attempting to justify my suggestion. Just because one person doesn't mind having to circle around and bite open bodies doesn't mean it's a bad idea to consider letting smaller things thrash a stationary corpse, especially since the framework for it already exists in the game.

[acoustic spruce]

@valid flame good news! There’s a new map coming with new biomes and also very detailed with vegetation and lore !

[valid flame]

Oh awesome! Thank you for the heads up 😁

[acoustic spruce]

https://youtu.be/jwY4qFKDioQ

https://youtu.be/qWuI3TU0lX8

[acoustic spruce]

Here are some early previews from a few months ago

[vital laurel]

@simple cave we have a rooster of like 60 playables i think we can find some ai replacements in them

[teal schooner]

@modest wind really like the death statistics screen you suggested. A raptor i had for nine irl months died a little while ago and it would've been nice to see the statistics. hope the devs add this in the futuer

[mystic hare]

@rocky acorn I think something like you sugggested is already in the makin
Not excactly level system but a perk system with the elders afaik

[alpine pumice]

GUYS I feel special because my one just turned into real mechanic. Oh my god.

[tough anvil]

"Add death animations they don't have to be complex but a dinosaur falling to the ground looks a lot better than it just instantly going into ragdoll imo"
God I hope they dont take the ragdoll away from me.

[barren zephyr]

best part of killing something is watching it bounce in the air a bit

[dull jungle]

Ngl im kinda confused as to why my idea for herb ai has 5 dislikes. I thought it was a pretty good idea

[barren zephyr]

too long to read

[dull jungle]

Oh maybe been wanted to explain my idea with a good amount of detail

[barren zephyr]

I don't think too many users bothered to read it, this includes me

[limber hull]

i would rather herbivores be cool playables than delegated to AI food

[dull jungle]

I never said to delegate them to just being AI food…

[dull jungle]

I’ve seen people with longer post though that people read so I don’t understand why length is an issue.

[limber hull]

Why play a herbivore when AI herbivore provides more, easier food for carnivores, and AI already fulfils that role?

[amber cosmos]

From what the dev blog says they are working on ai teno and carno already so

[limber hull]

i know, sad

[frank stream]

I feel like people don’t play herbivore to be food

[limber hull]

Lots of people prefer carnivore. You give carnivore an easier time surviving with big walking sacks of AI meat, you're gonna get more carnis

[valid brook]

i think when you herbi though, you know the potential consquence being that you will be hunted

[amber cosmos]

I dunno the boar ai put into a carno or teno sounds scary lol

[limber hull]

it's not fun, i'll say that much

it's about as scary as a carno/teno with instant 180 degree turning can be

ever attack a teno on the head and get instantly tailslammed?

yea not superb

not even mentioning the homing missile carnos that killed you for being within any range of it

i also just don't see the value of AI, I prefer the player element to immediately getting taken out of the game by immediately identifying "player" and "AI" dinosaurs

[dull jungle]

Well if you read what o said it’ll offer better protection for those spawning in that don’t wanna be nested in. If they’re made competently you could have a whole herd working together making it harder to hunt. Along with that it could make more people want to play a herb due to better survivability just to name a few pros.

[limber hull]

I'd rather interact with players than machines, personally

[valid brook]

i think AI should be in the game personally. but not in the form of a dino. Players should certainly be the main food source with AI supplementing it from time to time

[limber hull]

I adore the current AI stuff tbh

[valid brook]

thats fair. if players were easier to find, i think Current AI would be great. but since everyone just sits in one spot and the rest of the map is barren it causes a bit of weirdness

[dull jungle]

You could do both depending on how they’re used plus it could give players better chances of running into other players. You could have adult hens in the herd maybe even some running it and if y’all wanna go off on your own and make a herd it makes it much easier. Personally o think the potential pros outweighs the issues you might have with it. Would just depend on how they’re programmed and implemented

[limber hull]

I just don't see why you couldn't just... add more player slots. AI isn't exactly super cheap on server performance, especially that which lives up to the complexity of player-controlled dinos

[valid brook]

^

[limber hull]

An AI that's complex and done well enough to mimic a player is quite intensive on performance, lots of calculations. With that processing power, you could legit just add another slot for the server

[valid brook]

the player slots thing i dont think is a (mostly) development related issue. obviously it is slightly, i think its more on the server end

[dull jungle]

Well let’s say they do add more what happens if everyone just goes apex of some other carnivore to the point of half or more of the server is carnivore’s. Due to that the whole ecosystem of the server itself is thrown out of wack and you run into the same issues that began to plague legacy. Even with the new build it can still be an issue for an over abundance of predatory Dino’s with little to no herbivores to balance them out. Which is another reason why more herb focused ai would serve the game better in my opinion

[limber hull]

if everyone's apex, they'd die because of the lack of viable food (AI)

[valid brook]

tbf... currently over half the player base is a carnivore at any given time.

[limber hull]

Legacy rexes were so easy to grow because you could sit in an ava node, spawn avas, and live off avas

AI literally caused the rexpocalypse

Making AI play the smaller animals so everyone can go and play apexes more comfortably doesn't feel like the solution to me

[sick crescent]

Looking at data, it’s much more than that.

[dull jungle]

The ai in legacy also didn’t really fight back lack how I’m proposing with my idea. I mean I see your point but with making AI competed especially in large groups you could literally have the same result while also encouraging players to play herbivores due to better numbers/survivability.

[sick crescent]

70%+ ish

It doesn’t help that herbis canni eachother more than carnis do for some reason right now alongside the fact herbis in 6.5 are mid

[dull jungle]

Ya which is why I think making competent ai herds could help keep those numbers in check

[valid brook]

yeah but then you run into aggressive AI situation, and if they are playable dino saurs then you're going to confuse the new players. if they arent, then the players will know how to more easily kill them (how to play ect cause AI dont adapt well) and then youll also run into the bugs with the AI where they just do dumb things

[sick crescent]

The Herbivore vs Carnivore situation in the playerbase is actually sort of fixable.

AI won’t solve it, either.

Anytime there’s herbivores in meta, they are played.

Issue is there is rarely a herbivore in meta.

[limber hull]

People can and will cheese AI, and that "awesome AI rex" will turn into "the boss raid which you can cheese by constantly asspouncing it"

[sick crescent]

^

AI is abusable.

AI can also just… break sometimes, for no reason.

[limber hull]

I still think AI rex is absurd, or AI any dinosaur

[valid brook]

exactly. or it will turn into "oh god why did does this hit 360 degrees AND one shot perfectly every time"

[dull jungle]

Ya well and it’s why I said to really make this work the programming and that would have to be really well done. I think it could still be durable they should honestly look at modern day animals for inspiration on how a herd would look/work

[limber hull]

this isn't even a diss at amarok, AI is HARD, especially if you are trying to make AI act like people

have you seen triple-A AI? Very rare to even get one that remotely fools you into thinking it's a player

[sick crescent]

Especially in Unreal Engine.

[dull jungle]

I think it just depends on how well they’re made

[limber hull]

The better they're made, the more intense they are on server performance and the harder they are to consistently replicate across all 55 unique species

[valid brook]

the only way i could see herding being done on a server scale like this and not taking a bunch of performance away would be to have the herd considered 1 entity until either A. a player approaches. or B. they are attacked (both have some serious flaws) and then they break into separate entities. this though would cause lag when they break apart

[sick crescent]

Still hoping this becomes 56

TUPAN SQUAD

[limber hull]

I want a herbi flyer

Or like, anything more than just two flyers

[sick crescent]

Even better, Tupan would also interact with the arboreals

Something Ptera and Quetz won’t be doing really presumably

[sinful yoke]

whay

are you stupis???? flying dinosaur is carni

[limber hull]

Oh, by the way, I stand by the beautiful idea of hypsi being able to spit in herrera's eyes and make it lose its balance while blinded, meaning it no longer autolocks to tree branches or stays clinging

Hypsi playerbases will skyrocket if it gains the ability to send herreras tumbling lol

God it'd be so funny

[sick crescent]

Hypsi becomes the troll master

[limber hull]

Hypsi becomes properly fun

With unique interactions with its primary predator and a way to indirectly kill them

Don't wanna die to hypsi? Watch your step around them

[dull jungle]

Well I think with the elder state could be another way around it. Like they said as you get older you start getting weaker so maybe they could expand on it by also making you slower and easier to take down as time goes on. Often we see animals target either the old, injured, young or sick when it comes to herds so why not apply this to the isle as well. Not only would this help with the stress of ai scattering or fighting as these individuals could be potentially singled out much like in modern day.

Yes it could be hard to tell players from ai for carnivores but I feel like that should be their purpose. This would aid towards the survivability of players while offering a challenge to carnivores if done right.

[blazing grail]

anybody else's NA7 Busted? or just me? 😦

[raven ginkgo]

#general-feedback message

[drifting steeple]

Unpopular opinion but decreasing the time of nights is NOT a good idea at all when you have a dinosaur who's niche is being a "Night terror". I understand nobody likes the night because its hard to see but thats literally the whole point lmfao

[stone hatch]

Does anyone know how heavy herrerasaurus will be? It could range between 150kg and 400kg so I would really like to know as that would completely change the playstyle and niche.

[stone hatch]

Na7 has been unplayable for like 2 weeks

[barren zephyr]

I like the night. I love when kids cry about it. Bottle up them tears.

[drifting steeple]

Haha agreed for sure

[fleet hound]

Solo carnotaurus is soo damn punishing... And I love it.

[barren zephyr]

baby carno sound so funny

[fleet hound]

yeah it's cute

[barren zephyr]

I don't eat them, very funny when press F

[midnight stirrup]

There is a whopping 2 dinosaurs that benefit from nighttime, and one of them is already clearly capable of functioning during the day. It’s less so of a “night terror” and more just the simple fact that troodon gets a small advantage at night.

Nighttime is very widely considered boring and obnoxious to sit through. We’re not saying to remove night, but in retrospect, nighttime as of now lasts 60 minutes. Daytime lasts 40. This is excluding the 20 minutes respectably of sunrise and sunset, which leaves 20 minutes of clear, enjoyable daytime.

There’s a reason why everyone logs off or just sits in a bush when it’s nighttime, just sayin.

[barren zephyr]

skill issue

[lucid robin]

hmmmmm

[lucid robin]

@barren zephyr that is SO cool, one of the more unique suggestions I've seen here! I totally want that!

[valid brook]

@lucid robin you use phase three requests for things you want to see more of thats upcoming like trail cam footage concept art ect. General feedback is things you want to see changed or added to the game (another admin may come along and correct me further, but that should give you a decent idea)

[lucid robin]

ty ^^

[valid brook]

yups

[stone hatch]

Nobody likes playing in black and white starting at 6:00 PM. Troodon can function perfectly fine in the day, all we need is some kind of small kit tweak that gives it a benefit at night if we really want to commit to it.

Absolutely nobody until I have seen you two have ever said they like it

The sun sets at 5:30 on an equatorial island.

[amber cosmos]

i mean i like night time but im able to see so i guess im weird lol

[stone hatch]

Im fine with night time, the length is just ridiculous

[acoustic yoke]

I'm fine with the black and white during the night, but I hate how long it lasts.

I want to see my dino's colors as they grow

[rare fractal]

I just log

There’s no point in playing the game when it looks that bad to me

[urban flax]

Yeah nigel is a troll

[south oar]

I thought he was saying "donkey" the whole time till the last "don't care, I don't care"

[limber hull]

@violet vessel Only the hyper suffers from rapid starvation, and neuros/tissos aren't nearly as unkillable as you say

Tissos are actually generally portrayed as smaller than the standard animal

[violet vessel]

Starvation is the only real limitation they have. For the sake of balance all strains should struggle to stay topped up. Tissos are smaller yes

[limber hull]

I don't feel the other two should suffer rapid hunger, as rapid hunger really only works super well with the hyper, due to the hyper's hunting style and size

A tisso, from what we know, relies on patience and ambush, which doesn't mesh well with high hunger

[violet vessel]

Until we know more, this is what I speculate. We really don't have much to go off for on tissos other than a couple concept arts

[urban flax]

I like the idea of every strain being forced to attack a certain faction more
Hypers must kill dinos because they hunger
Neuros must kill mercs because they uh... need to eat electricity ?
tissos must kill tribals because monke

[limber hull]

I see each strain more suited for hunting a specific faction

Hypers excel against dinosaurs, having the most food value and less tools to deal with it or escape from it

Neuros excel against Generation 2, shutting off their valuable defenses and creating openings they can take advantage of.

Tissos excel against tribals, as tribals lack the tech or senses that the other factions would have to deal with it

[limber hull]

I'd say Tissos hunt Gen 1 because they're not as dangerous. Other dinosaurs are bigger than tissos, and Gen 2 has plentiful tech and ranged options to just ruin it. It can sneak into a gen 1 area and mess em up

[violet vessel]

I see strains as enemies of all. They aren't picky who they hunt

[limber hull]

I'd say they're designed to be specifically oriented towards certain animals

Neuros having an EMP blast isn't going to matter to tribals nor dinos

But it shuts off the mercs first line of defence

[urban flax]

Yeah but they should have an incentive to be hunting tribals specifically
Because otherwise they're just gonna hunt smaller dinos or unarmed mercs

[violet vessel]

It's possible neuros have many abilities we don't know about.

[limber hull]

Also I feel that giving hypers poor stam but fast stam regen kinda defeats the point? Like, first of all, hypers should not be encouraged to be ambushers, they should basically be the main thing completely incapable of ambush in the game

[urban flax]

We know neuro spino had basically Gandalf-like powers

[limber hull]

The issue with giving high hunger drain to all strains is it basically immediately chucks human hunting out the window

You can't sustainably hunt them because humans are itty bitty things

[violet vessel]

Strains aren't meant to be sustainable in the first place

[limber hull]

Sure, but like, I'd like strains to interact with humans

[urban flax]

If food values in the game were somewhat realistic it could be possible to an extent...
But no, it's better when carno needs to eat 2 tons of meat every day

[violet vessel]

Maybe they would interact with humans for their food stockpiles

[limber hull]

Not with a hyper lol, several dozen ton megabeast would be basically eating ants if it went after humans

[urban flax]

Food stockpiles made for humans
Worth nothing for a hyper

[limber hull]

humans dont leave food in big piles, and that still wouldn't be a sufficient meal for a hyper

[urban flax]

I know

[violet vessel]

Again it's supposed to be unsustainable. Also in the vid I mentioned it was primarily a giant dino hunter

[urban flax]

Wave do be writing an essay

[violet vessel]

Lol

[limber hull]

How I'd do it is

Hypers: Starve really goddamn fast, large, loud as all hell (removes basically any capability of ambush), cannot swim at all due to armour density, they just sink (spino can use this because it can breathe underwater, but other hypers will quickly drown), basically cannot sprint at all but trot very fast due to VERY large legs.

Neuros: Weightier than the regular version, but lack strength with reduced bite force and other attacks. Basically a pile of meatgel inside a frail skin layer, which will quite literally drain its life when punctured (bleed and health are both tied to each other and go down at the same time). Cannot naturally heal unless through gaining more biomass via consuming creatures with their weird piercy tounge thing, rebuilding their biomass. No stomach, just water and health, and the only way to heal is through consuming live subjects.

Tissos: Lighter than regular versions, immediately making it have disadvantage in brawn fights. Due to the fact this strain is getting an overhaul, not much else can be said, but it could suffer from its skin with hypersensitivity, making it pained from daylight.

[urban flax]

I like it
But I'm not sure how it makes neuros incentivized to kill humans

[limber hull]

You go after a dino, you get bled to kingdom come and die, and I doubt that gen 1 are going to be any more friendly

You can disable the gen 2 defenses for a much easier time

I can easily see gen 1 wielding barbed arrows

[barren zephyr]

night is cool, can't see someone from 500m away, takes more skill to play. Maybe adjust night vision to have some color?

[urban flax]

Sounds like neuros are gonna be very weak then
Even though I'm in favor of every strain being a nemesis for a specific faction, I think all of them should be scary to anything
A regular spino shouldn't kill a neuro spino imo

[barren zephyr]

I am not, stop said nasty things about me

[limber hull]

Neuros primarily rely on messing with your brain. Facing a neuro would cause hallucinations, mind fog, general disruption, it'd be difficult to properly fight one because they don't really operate the same way as any other fight

[violet vessel]

I would generally agree to that

[limber hull]

Neuros have more health and can cause disruption, they just suffer really badly from the aftermath of the fight due to no natural healing

You could remove the reduced damage element and keep the lack of natural healing

[urban flax]

Also I can't wait to see neuro spino having the ability to control other dinos
It's like player taming idea but worse :P

[limber hull]

Also the solution to "herbivores not getting strains" being making herbivores carnivores really doesn't add up to me, because that just adds more carnivores lol

[violet vessel]

I agree

[urban flax]

Only the H strain should be reserved for carnivores
Others I can see herbivores having them just fine

Type H for herbis could be replaced with something like Osteogenic or Phytosymbiotic

[limber hull]

I don't feel the other strains really fit herbis, especially not neuros, not much in the way of survival by just screwing with humans

[urban flax]

From a survival standpoint, none of the strains really fit anything, since they're designed to not be able to survive

[violet vessel]

I think it would be cool if herbivores had their own strain with a different design

[limber hull]

The way I wanted to do a herbivore strain was have one that basically acts as turning the herbivore into part plant. It gains stuff like barklike skin, or thorns, or any other plant-like element, can gain energy from sunlight, absorb nutrition from the soil and so on

The downsides being no stamina regen at night and the fact that, being both meat and plant, everything can eat it and gains plentiful nutrition from it. So now you've become a menu item for EVERYTHING.

[urban flax]

So phytosymbiotic

[limber hull]

Basically

[violet vessel]

That's so goofy

[urban flax]

That actually exists

[wispy jackal]

Do we have any old art of the tisso strain ?

I only know if hyper and neuro (and magma or w/e that one was)

[limber hull]

How is that goofy, as if you don't think a massive swamp-thing anky wouldn't look really cool. It also actually means that things would want to hunt it, rather than making it just annoying

[limber hull]

Magna is dead as hell

Which is good because I hate magna

[violet vessel]

Strains are in the game to add fear and horror to the game. A plant dino doesn't really fit the vibe. Also being nerfed for half the time sounds so lame. It would make nighttime even more unfun.

[wispy jackal]

Certainly adds horror tho

[limber hull]

If strains only serve that purpose, then herbi strains shouldn't exist

[wispy jackal]

Herbis missing out on strains is boring and dull

[limber hull]

Herbis are designed defensively, you can't make them scary while also not actually posing a threat when trying to kill you because they're incompetent on offense

[wispy jackal]

God damn I’d completely forgotten the old concept art for tissos, they funky

[violet vessel]

You could make some herbivores scary, but not by turning them into a plant

[limber hull]

Why would they be scary though? They have no insentive to kill you

[urban flax]

"Plants aren't scary" is the same vibe as "feathered dinos aren't scary"

[limber hull]

Unless the solution is herbi strains making herbis carnis, in which case, just keep strains carnivore-based

[violet vessel]

Herbivores are not pacifists. They can be more aggressive than carnivores

[wispy jackal]

Have herbi strains just decimate plant matter, so you have strips of forest being utterly destroyed and anything in their way too as just a ripple effect

[violet vessel]

I wanted a middle ground making herbivore strains become omnivorous. They would eat plants but also meat to supplement their diet

[wispy jackal]

That defeats the purpose of having herbi strains tho, that’s just omnivore strains

[limber hull]

I like how a quick google search gives me a bunch of awesome, scary looking plant creatures lol

[wispy jackal]

Idk I think there would absolutely be something terrifying in a creature that is both an immovable object and an unstoppable force

YEEES PLANT THINGS plant horror is so slept on

[violet vessel]

That isn't scary

[wispy jackal]

It’s a different type of scary to ooooohh big scary teeettthhh

[limber hull]

How is neuro any scarier, or tisso

[wispy jackal]

Horror should not be limited to cliches

[limber hull]

Like, I don't see what makes them scary and these examples not

[violet vessel]

It just is

[limber hull]

Awesome argument

So it's your opinion

[wispy jackal]

Bc movie monster dinosaur scary, which is what Jurassic park built itself on

[violet vessel]

These are plants imitating animals. All the supposedly scary parts simply resemble animals we do find scary. Also this simply doesn't mesh with the style of the game and is also bad game design

[wispy jackal]

….how does it mesh any worse than the neuro and tisso and also those mutant human strains?

[limber hull]

It's quite literally making strains from something you wait for it to die to something you are encouraged to hunt as any animal

[wispy jackal]

All three of the carni strains resemble the animal as well?

[limber hull]

Because a herbivore is less likely to die of natural causes, and more likely to die of active causes in this game, so why not exemplify that

[violet vessel]

It's boring that's why

[wispy jackal]

Sick of herbivores getting nothing lol