general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Maybe they'd have to work up to the full buff, unless that's already a thing? So it's not just "dead body, full buff"?

[mossy canopy]

it wouldn't be an instant debuff it'd be like the longer you use it the worse it gets to counteract Cera's corpse piling to keep their buff all the time

[cyan flame]

Also there needs to be some looks at the scaling of the buff, why does an omni body give almost as much as a deino body in terms of the buff? :p

[amber cosmos]

It depends on size of the body atm

[cyan flame]

Apparently it does not, or if it does, it's a few percentages difference, not what you'd expect from the difference between 500kg and 8T

[limber hull]

IDK if I'd remove it. Yes, it makes deino WAAAAY easier, but at the same time, deino is an opportunist, it can't rely on always getting its next meals. Cannibals, imho, should also be opportunist/scavenger style animals that cannot consistently rely on finding things to successfully hunt

[mossy canopy]

this works in theory but fish are too plentiful compared to land AI

[cyan flame]

Couldn't you just not give diet, keep it as AI/neutral food, so deinos can still be opportune and get food as they need, but for proper diet, they need to hunt properly?

[barren zephyr]

Maybe make Deinos give less food, make it less worth the fight, only if starving

[amber cosmos]

I'm of the opinion the biggest body buff should be 20% max not 80%

[limber hull]

it's never been 80%

[amber cosmos]

It's 80% for stego and deino bodies

[limber hull]

it is not

[amber cosmos]

It is

[limber hull]

it really, really isn't

i've tested, 80% just isn't a thing

[amber cosmos]

It really really is

[limber hull]

i'm literally on the ST team, 80% was pulled out of nowhere.

Basically everything gives 50%, it doesn't scale at all with body weight

[amber cosmos]

I've tested as well Mr dev

[barren zephyr]

It should scale imo
If a full raptor pack brought down a Stego, than a Cera or two gradually gaining control of the body will get increasingly tougher

[cyan flame]

Last I heard, it's 50% max, and even a omni sized body gives 46+ or so

[wispy jackal]

Does it really? Yikes

[cyan flame]

If it was 80%, cera would survive two headshots from a stego

Three, even, if my math is correct

[amber cosmos]

I've taken 4% dmg from a stego after killing another stego

[cyan flame]

Well, that wasn't a headshot at the least if so

[mossy canopy]

I'll be honest Erik any time I see your PfP I think of those smiley face potato fries, I know it's a snake but the general shape looks like a face

[amber cosmos]

Either way 80% 50% both are way too much

Think max it should be 20%

[cyan flame]

At least that's a new take, normally it's thomas the tank engine or something I believe xD

[wispy jackal]

Aaah now I see the smiley potato

[mossy canopy]

Just as a reference lol, I also deleted it

But yeah on the topic of the Body buff, I think Cera should naturally have slightly lower resistances and body buff spikes them up to being tankier, as it is there's never a shortage of bodies and their natural damage is usually enough to get a kill and suddenly they feel unkillable

[amber cosmos]

When cerato first came out me and the homies hopped on a free grow server and the 4 of us fought off a whole server for hrs, they finally came back with more ceratos to kill us but point is the current buff does make you unkillable

We kill I think 4 stegoes and 8 carnos and no idea how many troodons

[mossy canopy]

which when you combine it with ceras natural resistances, good damage, bacteria, vomit locking, charge that cost no stamina, easy access to food due to cannibalism+corpse cleaning

kinda makes cera feel overtuned

[amber cosmos]

My solution is reduce the body buff to 20% and give the bacteria puking a 15 sec cooldown

[valid brook]

current cerato buff is uhh. fairly borked atm

doesnt work a lot of the times

[amber cosmos]

If a body is moved it doesn't work

[mossy canopy]

I can tell lol Cera kills 1 raptor and the rest of the pack basically has to give up because the body buff basically means 'you can no longer kill me at all'

[valid brook]

it still can if it i moved.. even if its not moved though... it still only works maybe.. 20% of the time

[cyan flame]

The vomit locking is the main issue, and really, vomit should be reworked so the bacteria is more of a long term issue, than a combat method. And yeah, the buff could stand to be less, or at least A, scale properly, and B, maybe have the cera have to work up to the buff, like how diets take a little to kick in fully

[amber cosmos]

Never had that issue

[valid brook]

one sec ill grab you the video

[cyan flame]

And far as I know, buff should work if the body is unmoved, after a little, so you can't just drop it and get the buff, but after a little bit, it works?

[amber cosmos]

Yup

[mossy canopy]

I do feel like Cera might have Carno syndrome

where it's pretty oppressive and then gets slapped down a bit too hard

[valid brook]

#videos-and-streams message youll need to skip the troodon part of this to just see the cerato part

[limber hull]

carno was straightup designed wrong though, with its ambush burst playstyle it has

its charge is basically what its entire kit is balanced around

[mossy canopy]

Ironically Cera is playing like an ambusher now too lol

[limber hull]

well actually

[amber cosmos]

Facts

[limber hull]

cera is absolute dog at ambushing

i really don't know how you get ambushed by a cera at all

[valid brook]

"Quick lets sneak up on this teno and get it!" holds RMB

[amber cosmos]

Cera is more of I see you I run you down style aka endurance

[mossy canopy]

hides in bushes near old bodies, bursts out with bacteria bite, when you're already too close

[limber hull]

either
A: Use the low damage attack which doesn't hinder the opponent at all and is easy to escape
B: Use the loudest attack in the history of the game god damn it is loud

[limber hull]

I mean, bacteria bite doesn't really help much in ambush either

Nothing about cera is good at ambushing

It's slow, low damage on its base attack, EXTREMELY loud on its actual power attack

[valid brook]

i mean... atleast its not super slow? i know it's the slowest carnivore, but it can still fairly easily close a gap on a non moving target

[limber hull]

It also chuffs near bodies just to make it even worse at ambushing

[mossy canopy]

the thing is Cera is 'slow' but it has endurance compared to other carnos

if it wants to catch you it just has to follow

[limber hull]

I have been ambushed by a cera as a galli 3 times. Every time I was alt-tabbed, typing or something else. Every time I escaped it

[valid brook]

endurance doesnt really help much in ambushing though

[cyan flame]

@limber hullIt does have the whole "I can attack at point blank from a hidden spot without issue" going for it at least :p

[limber hull]

It's just really bad at ambushing

[cyan flame]

And if you target something with very low food, you might get a puke in before it can make enough distance to get out

[limber hull]

Which isn't bad, it shouldn't be a spectacular ambusher

[mossy canopy]

I mean when it has everything else going for it I'd hope it wouldn't be a good ambusher aswell

[valid brook]

oh gosh. could you imagine how powerful it would be if it coud ambush extremely well ontop of all its other issues atm...

[limber hull]

Carno needs an entire goddamn rework. Increased stam, lowered charge damage, better trotrate, less punishing charge stam consumption are what I'd give it

[mossy canopy]

less focused purely on the charge

[barren zephyr]

U3 Carno?
But less cracked

It did feel pretty good I'll admit, just that the damage was crazy on it

Super speedy alt attack too

[limber hull]

Nah U3 carno was still designed as a weird ambush predator

[barren zephyr]

It wasn't really ambush at that point
It was hella good at brawling/pursuing

Stam was high up too

I think a toned down U3 Carno would be fine
Charge as a tool
Brawling less effective than Teno/Cera
Uses speed for chases/knockdown combos

[amber cosmos]

I think a simple Stam buff would be enough for carno and reduce its Stam drain amount. It should be able to either kill or run away from a cerato solo but ATM if it just brawls it loses and if it runs and can't hide it loses

And it's ram is easy to dodge

But with more Stam it can go in and out more without worrying to much about running out of stam

[barren zephyr]

I feel like at fights, it should carefully pick shots too

Stay at a mid range, try avoid a head on brawl, bait and counter

At longer ranges it would use the charge, while closer it would lose the edge quickly to more adept brawler

[amber cosmos]

Hell hate me but it's ram should do bleed from the horns just cause lol

[barren zephyr]

Hmm

Too versatile

U4 Carno was like that
Had damage/speed/stam/bleed

Just a monster

[amber cosmos]

Let's be real carno doesn't have dmg if you make it's ram do bleed instead of high dmg

[barren zephyr]

Making Carno a bleeder wouldn't suite it's kit

Especially if it relies on high speed, there'd be no room for it to be really applied

[amber cosmos]

It goes well with it actually go in and out stacking bleed, if they chase they are dead, if they sit still just ram again

[barren zephyr]

It wouldn't have the agility to properly trade, especially against brawlers

It'll get banged up from trying to stack bleed

[valid brook]

tbf, most skilled carnos can land a bite or 2 after getting a charge, which does this bleed part anyways

[amber cosmos]

It's not post to fight stuff it's size anyway

[cyan flame]

Also with carnos own terrible bleed handling, if the target can retaliate in bleed, you're probably not winning that

[barren zephyr]

True, if it gets into a bleed match with Omni's, a Carno would get wiped so quick
Pounce does crazy stacks

[cyan flame]

Even teno with kicks I imagine would not go well, if the carno has to hit and run

[amber cosmos]

I've never had problems merking omnis as carno they are weak

[barren zephyr]

Carno's head would be cracked by the time it landed some bleed against a Teno

[barren zephyr]

They're pretty tough this update, if properly used

3-4 can take out most things in the game at this point

[amber cosmos]

Altbite does wanders

[barren zephyr]

You're not supposed to land a good pounce initially, you're supposed to exhaust

Nip, chase the target. Bait, make it move, spend stam

[cyan flame]

Probably because current alt bites seems to have inherited the hitbox issues

[barren zephyr]

Once low, than pounce. Take turns resting, until target is exhausting
Once pounces start landing longer

[amber cosmos]

See you have to come in to do dmg and if I just walk and altbite when you come in that's not going to happen

[cyan flame]

But with alt bites now only working while standing more or less still, you can keep your target in place easier

[barren zephyr]

The blood stacks will drop anything fairly quick

[barren zephyr]

Quick pounce, bite from behind, encouraging you to chase

[cyan flame]

Assuming you target the right raptor, and not one of the ones baiting. Also I think they can survive a carno alt bite, so if they do want you dead, they can just "sacrifice" for it?

Not entirely sure, but if there's 2 or more, and they are vaguely coordinated, you will probably be in decent trouble

[barren zephyr]

I understand now, that pounce isn't an opening move, it's more of a finisher.
Used only when a target's stam is spent

[amber cosmos]

They can but you can also get them stuck on you and get a few more bites by anticipating where they will move

[barren zephyr]

Briefly used with bites, and baits/chases to whittle away at stam, get blood to prevent it from regen.

Than suffocating with long pounces at the end

[cyan flame]

How do you mean with stuck, actual bug of the pounce or some proper manuever you use to body block or so?

But yeah, if you do read them, you're obviously better off

But then that'd be bad raptors if they are that predictable :p

[amber cosmos]

Actual maneuver I altbite and move ahead of them then get more bites while they are stuck on me trying to turn around

I've gotten to the point with carno vs omni where trading means trading an omni for a stack of bleed that won't do anything cause I don't run around lol

[cyan flame]

All good, that sounds pretty clever

Even standing, carno bleeds pretty badly I think

Wasn't it all modes aside from running that got "nerfed" back then

[amber cosmos]

No idea

All I know is as long as I'm not running I can kill atleast 5 probably more but they usually leave after that

And if I'm playing with my brother's their whole pack is dead regardless

[loud oasis]

Wait stego is being removed?

[cyan flame]

Hm, would like to see how you pull that off, because most of the time, 2+ omnis can quite easily kill a carno

But it could very well be down to them not at all being used to your movements

[cyan flame]

Carno does scale quite well in groups with charge

[cyan flame]

Moved to unofficials with rex and trike yes

[amber cosmos]

I think the most fun I've had on here was killing a whole pack of omnis at southern nesting grounds but that was last patch

Just rammed them all to death

[loud oasis]

That's not very cool. But, okay.

Thanks for info.

[limber hull]

i mean, stego is being buffed to help it prepare for rex/trike level animals

[barren zephyr]

Stego would need a dmg increase or a stun

Specifically against a Giga getting one trade to bleed it
Or a Rex lawnmowering it down

[limber hull]

Not sure about a damage increase, but it may be getting an upwards swipe

[amber cosmos]

I think dmg is fine maybe dmg res or Stam buff

[limber hull]

I don't think it needs either, you could increase it to it's more realistic 8 tons

[barren zephyr]

Upswipe would help with headshots
Also maybe just increase dmg resistance it bitten on it's plates

If a Rex lands a bite down on it's back, a lot of dmg should be negated

[limber hull]

pre sure plates already have damage reduction, but it's rare to see it in action

[amber cosmos]

I'd love a actual tail swing aoe instead of a stab lol

[barren zephyr]

Mostly everything is small for the sides thats why

[limber hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1020799725378752553/StegoSwing.gif?width=900&height=506

[barren zephyr]

Super swing

[amber cosmos]

So omni golfing coming to evrima?

[limber hull]

Honestly, the sheer power in that swing would probably do a LOT of damage

[barren zephyr]

Plus with the backplates

[limber hull]

I wouldnt be surprised if that swing did TONS

[barren zephyr]

Stego can holds its own

It'll be fineeeee

[limber hull]

I hope so

[barren zephyr]

A touch up in weight too, no problem

[amber cosmos]

Still want it to have an aoe tail swing

[barren zephyr]

Same
Wide aoe, moderate damage, more speed

[amber cosmos]

Actually think it should be slower but act like an alt bite where you turn your body to swing hard af in a direction

[barren zephyr]

Like I said a few days ago, give the tail a stun, it's not a machete but a mace, shouldn't just be raw damage

[ashen wasp]

That’s pretty much what we have now— I wouldn’t be surprised to see current swing be reworked into an alt attack and Stego get lighter moving attacks to prepare it for larger carnivores

[amber cosmos]

The current attack isn't even a swing it's s stab or poke

[ashen wasp]

depends on which way youre facing, but yeah, all the more reason to get moving swings in addition to the current animations where it wields the thagomizer like something detached from itself

[sick crescent]

I love scorpion Stego

The jabbing

It’s totally not cursed

[amber cosmos]

Gross no lol

[sick crescent]

Totally blessed

Not cursed

Male Stego got butchered and is ugly as hell, then we got a strange scorpo jab

[amber cosmos]

Spikes on side of tail so let's make it poke stuff lol

[barren zephyr]

Abt the whole removing apex's from official thing, I was thinking. Don't the long growth time make it balanced. You could even make apex food drain more than non apex's. This would make it harder to successfully be an apex and get to full growth .. that's what balances it more so imo. But in the current state of the game it obviously wouldn't be balanced at all EVEN with that stuff.... Mainly do to the fact you can afk grow in a bush and have no problem finding food if you know where all the hotspots are.

[barren zephyr]

only stego is problem because once adult they don't die when piloted well, adult deinos die left and right all the time

because there's nothing that really hunts stego, there's no balanced ecosystem

[sick crescent]

to other deinos

[sick crescent]

omni and cera do it quite well atm

[barren zephyr]

who else it supposed to die to?

[sick crescent]

canni deinos werent even that common in my experience on deino so far

[barren zephyr]

they are, weekends are the worst

not possible to play deino on weekend and not die (when solo)

weekdays it's not as bad but still there is always at least one pair (or trio) that kills all deinos they see

[sick crescent]

I mean same goes for Stego rn on unofficials, but I also don’t wanna play on Officials rn

Stego Wars from Update 3 have returned in at least a less widespread sense

Update 3 Stego Wars, every Stego main gets vietnam flashbacks

[barren zephyr]

only difference is stego is not as fun so there are less of them, plus they are more boring to grow

[sick crescent]

It makes it worse considering most people who play Stego rn play it as KOS

Please Rex come into the game so you can act as the magnet

It’ll spare Trike, Stego and Deino the pain

[earnest goblet]

thats the only thing the game needs, a predator that would control the population of stego

im glad the rex is coming. but im more hyped for diablo

[hard niche]

does anyone know whats going on iv just got the isle and no servers are popping up

[amber cosmos]

Switch to evrima under betas

[sick crescent]

Irrelevant

Most Stego players rn would just switch anyway due to numerous factors, not to mention Stego will also be dealing with Rex probably just fine so it wouldn’t even do much

If you want to cull Stego population just have a pack of 2-3 decent Ceratos

Megapack even

[desert arch]

@upbeat nexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gQKf0nVE-k&t=2s&ab_channel=Kouga This should help with the DX12 issue.

[amber cosmos]

I agree I think all the people playing stego and cerato right now will just keep switching to the next new and big thing

[upbeat nexus]

Thanks I’ll give it a try!

[desert arch]

np

iirc its caused by outdated drivers, so the devs have nothing to do with it

[sick crescent]

Nah, just the reason why many players are currently play Stego is what I meant.

[upbeat nexus]

I understand, thanks for help.

[barren zephyr]

I played deino for 2 hours today and only got one opportunity to catch something, it was a medium cera. Skill issue if u die to deino

[mossy folio]

would it break the game if they added an auto-run key

[amber cosmos]

💯

It would destroy the purpose of the game which is to develop a callous on your finger tip

[mossy folio]

lol

[shy portal]

if you tap shift while walking it will make you run forever as long as you hold w

[mossy folio]

yeah i know, but the auto run functionality is clutch for being able to type, when traveling in a pack long distances

[dense nest]

Its almost like playing well should reward a player (AKA they dont die as often)

[austere axle]

omG, just found my first frog on South. As a baby deino, it gave me 4% S. JUST 4% FOR SUCH A RARE BEAST OF NATURE

[tardy jacinth]

@barren zephyr Why did you downvote my suggestion of fixing the server number display issue??? XD

Yea, and if I send a bug report, it ain't gonna be looked at nor will I get feedback about acknowledgment

[acoustic spruce]

If the goal is to control apex numbers just make them canibalize or unsustainable past a pair. The goal is to make apexes hostile towards each other for survival. Ik it’s probably gonna be nearly impossible to achieve these effects without being in a realism server

[sick crescent]

Cannibalism doesn't work, but unsustainability might.

Cannibalism worsens the issue.

[north quiver]

don’t make apexes cannibals (this would allow them to just easily survive)
make them require a lot of food like cera
make their growth long and difficult
no ai on their diet, forcing them to actually hunt

what I want from apexes to control their population

I also don’t want apexes to be able to eat other apexes. not even their organs. this would keep killing between them strictly to protect their already limited food sources

[tiny mountain]

Why pteranodon is so weak? Even a lizard or beta fish can handle against a pteranodon!

[tiny mountain]

and runs faster than Usain Bolt

[sick crescent]

Its ability to fly makes it pretty much invulnerable and overpowered survivability wise.

Pteranodon is probably one of the most chill playables this game will ever have.

[barren zephyr]

I'd love for admins and devs to confirm our feedback as well, but over the past couple years, and especially since the recode launch, it's been radio silent. I doubt we will ever have that proper communication.

[barren zephyr]

Dienos need a lot of time to catch something and without ai diets not starving to death in the first minutes would be fine but harder, you can get to like 30% before the build in diet fades, and if they needed more food they would pack up and go to land lol

[north quiver]

talking about apexes such as rex, giga, and whatever other apexes are planned to be added

[barren zephyr]

Inmagine 20 big ass crocs trynna kill you

[barren zephyr]

Oh, alr, but a lot of ppl consider dieno an apex

It kinda is

[north quiver]

yea but deinos can easily be avoided now. I’m not all too worried about them but their growth does need to be harder lol apparently dondi or someone said deino will be slapped with the “difficulty stick”

[barren zephyr]

If it gets hit too hard Dienos players gonna die and give up, thats what most ppl would want. Even with the new map having limited rivers

[north quiver]

I’m just worried about the land apexes dominating everything and making mid and smaller tiers useless and just fodder

[barren zephyr]

That can be a problem

And dienos kinda kill a lot of dinos

Maling them useless will make an Apex overload

The Gateway map is just a pond and some rivers

Some ppl might not even see the whole map

[acoustic spruce]

How neat would it be to have depth of field for human players whenever they’re checking like a map or documents in game, and humans should be able to pet or scratch Dino’s

[acoustic spruce]

This map is outdated btw there’s a lot more water areas for Deimos to roam in the new version

[barren zephyr]

Cool

[barren zephyr]

Any new leaks lol?

[acoustic spruce]

https://youtu.be/qWuI3TU0lX8

[barren zephyr]

Imma watch

[acoustic spruce]

This is the most recent

There’s still a lot more changes that have probably happened since this video was released, I’m excited to have actual water biomes in place so that it’s a lot more enjoyable to spend time under water

[sick crescent]

He travels to a river in his on land variant

[barren zephyr]

Ok

[barren zephyr]

that's the least important thing devs could work on, non issue

[tardy jacinth]

@barren zephyr It's STILL an issue, though

Using your logic, u could literally downvote so many people giving suggestions. But u wouldn't, because feedback is feedback. Always good to give it for the devs to know what's up.

May not think it's priority, but the point was to make it KNOWN. You could literally agree with me that it's an issue, no matter its priority.

[wispy jackal]

Ignore them @tardy jacinth its really not worth it, they just disagree with anything

[tardy jacinth]

Aight, fair enough, mate

[wispy jackal]

Ur point is valid, they do need to fix that bug 😩

[tardy jacinth]

ong

[limber hull]

lmao someone really out here saying carno is OP

Ooh, they play cera, that makes more sense

[amber sail]

why is it every other dino has a mile long list of diets and carno only has like 4. what snese does it make that cera has carno on diet but carno does not have cera?

[limber hull]

no clue, carno having a restrictive diet would be fine if it had literally anything else to compensate for it, or was competent at hunting anything on said diet

[barren zephyr]

he, not they

[barren zephyr]

People should learn to read the feedback, 20 morbillion posts about servers and 30 morbillion posts about days too short, it's spam at this point

[tardy jacinth]

Go back to Twitter

[swift herald]

@barren zephyr if you give all carnivores carnivores bacteria, you will take away from cerato its only difference that makes us play with it

[barren zephyr]

Cerato has extreme bacteria, it takes away little

Especially if it can puke lock

[barren zephyr]

never been there

[wispy jackal]

They/them being used as a general term since you do not have your pronouns stated anywhere. It can be used to refer to someone in general while also being a pronoun, yes.

[tardy jacinth]

^

Actually wack they corrected u

[barren zephyr]

Normal people don't post pronouns, you use ones that fit the name. Nigel is male so you use he/him.

[wispy jackal]

aaaannd I'm done with this conversation, that statement alone tells me all I need to know about you as a person. Good day.

[barren zephyr]

there should be penalty for fighting too much but what you said is too complex, best would be to buff locked health

Complex in theory, but in application simple

Fight lots, become vulnerable

Fight lots, take medicine, keep fighting lots

tracking another stat would give servers more work, it would give client more work, already poorly coded game

but nothing devs too will change how players play, if they wanna fistfight they will

Which is why you develop the structure to influence behavior

Players who fistfight have a disadavantage to careful players

Meaning careful play becomes more common as meta

I suggested losing max hp when taking too much damage but many dislike that idea

[tardy jacinth]

Nacen, you're idea does kinda seem interesting. Would definitely add variation to core gameplay and fighting strategies.

[barren zephyr]

That's fine imo

[barren zephyr]

Especially in herd hunts
Pick off the young, old, sick/weak

Herd hunts become more feasible, preying on other carni's solely becomes more risky

Encourage the prey/predator dynamic

[tardy jacinth]

Yup yup. Now, if there was an "Elder" life stage, that would go hand-in-hand

[wispy jackal]

that would also have to bring in a reason for people to herd because right now not many people want too. Herd dynamics could be super cool if they brought it in properly

[tardy jacinth]

^

[wispy jackal]

Galli having a speed boost in groups is already a great start

[barren zephyr]

Herd dynamics + Sickness variation would solidfy player behavior enough

[jade robin]

Saw a group of stegos the other day and while it was terrifying i wish we saw more big herds roaming around but i think to encourage that there would need to be a reason to group up beyond just you might live longer

[tardy jacinth]

Truth

[wispy jackal]

big herds would also encourage carnivore groups, because you would likely need allies to bring down prey if theres a whole herd to navigate

[tardy jacinth]

Parents should have buffs when their hatchlings are around

[wispy jackal]

Yeah!!

herd leaders having buffs of some kind as well, could be pretty cool - could also apply over to carnivore groups imo

[tardy jacinth]

Oohh yea

[jade robin]

yeah atm teno for example seeing more than one or two is rare and even then they'll die quickly when a huge pack shows up but if herbis had more to them/more reason to group up it might help balance them out

[barren zephyr]

Herd dynamics hmmm
How about this

[jade robin]

herd leaders and stuff would be cool... encourage carnivores to watch herds for a bit to figure out who is the leader and have to plan their target within the herd

[barren zephyr]

Migration scent: If in a sizeable group, you and your herd can smell areas across the map to better find food/resources
Essentially travelling long distances to ensure food

I'm quite the genius

[tardy jacinth]

Lmfao

Yea, that sounds cool

[barren zephyr]

My brain could cook up more stuff

[tardy jacinth]

Buuut the devs won't care to see it

[jade robin]

i just think herbis need more love

[barren zephyr]

They need complex social, foraging, health systems

Arguably more than Carni's do to make them stand out

I might just make my own game at this point

[loud moss]

I think you should be able to smell a dino that has just eaten meat. I mean it shows blood and meat around their mouth, so you should be able to smell that at a close distance. And the smells should only last a few minutes, like 3

[barren zephyr]

Little detail but fair enough

[barren zephyr]

It's so ez to see other creatures tho, nothing blends in with bushes or grass

unless something is hiding for 5 minutes sitting in a large bush

[random imp]

Who does even put an X on a feedback about cheaters and hackers? Those people should be just insta banned from the game lol

[silent current]

Oh uhm its the bot it auto adds the reactions to any suggestion sent

[barren zephyr]

some people press x just to make you mad

[random imp]

Yhea, it adds 1... but where did the other 5 came from? Lol muppet

[silent current]

Oh I don't even see the Xs on it and frankly I son't care too much I more or so just don't want to rely on community servers that are filled with bs rules like another dinosaur survival game..

cough cough POT cough cough

[tall hearth]

Every dino survival game has servers with rules. Legacy had them too, might even be a few left

[silent current]

oh no I meant heavily relying on community servers just to even enjoy the game

[tall hearth]

✅

[silent current]

Isle officials you have to deal with the constant hackers

Pot the growth on officials is so horrendious you might as well play one of the community servers

That's basically where I'm getting at

If the isle devs reeeally want the officials to take over majority of the play pop then they reeeally need to fix the hacking issue by just allowing reports because easy anti cheat is dog water at preventing hackers

[valid brook]

if you ever encounter a hacker, you should state what server you encountered it on in the evrima chats such as #evrima-na and ping the officialserveradmin role. they will investigate it as soon as they are able

[silent current]

Like I would rather deal with megapacks, mixpacks, and targetters then the hackers rn its awful

[silent current]

We have nothing gets done

No one shows up regardless

[valid brook]

Investigations are not made public. They are investigated if admin is available though.

[silent current]

The times we have pinged the official server admins nothing happens

probably because the hackers really only surface early mornings which is why I think replay is necessary

[valid brook]

If you end up getting attacked by a hacker or killed, if you can get a video of it, and remember the time it occured, it can still be investigated

[silent current]

how does that necessarily stop the hackers rather then banning them from the game entirely?

[wispy jackal]

it is a bit of a pain to have recording software running at all times while gaming though

[valid brook]

it can still result in a ban

[silent current]

How are they able to with replays off theres no way for players to give them evidence of who it is?

[valid brook]

windows has a built in one that can record up up to something like 5 minutes of your previous gameplay. it should work just fine

[wispy jackal]

huh, neat

[valid brook]

the admins have their ways of getting that information. all they need is the IGN of the person who was attacked. the time it occured, and video evidence to prove that the attacker was indeed a cheater

[barren zephyr]

the game runs poorly enough without screen cap running in bacground

[silent current]

Yep

I pretty much close all tabs besides discord and the isle so that I don't lag

And like I said replay would just be such a nicer alternative then people could just send their replay file to an admin with the evidence so that way you don't have to investigate yourself

Unless speed hacking doesn't appear on replay either

But even still it just feels like nothing gets done because majority the time admins are contacted non of them even respond

So like do we just dm a random admin at that point?

[valid brook]

the admins wont make any investigation public as a lot of cheaters monitor the discord and will either stop cheating or log off if they think they are being investigated

[silent current]

So why not make a ticket system for hacking and exploiting?

So that it doesn't get said in the official server channels

And so that people can get contacted by admins to give them the evidence

[valid brook]

It's been suggested before, if you like to you can suggest it aswell in #general-feedback

[vapid minnow]

@dusty scarab when you change the key binding for alt keys you have to make sure you unclick the alt in the little area next to it

if the alt is enabled in the keybind, let's say you want it to just be left click instead of left click alt for an attack you have to make sure the alt isn't filled in green when you change keybinds (also make sure that keybinds aren't overlapping in anyway)

[desert arch]

@barren zephyr The devs do read every single feedback channel, some of the community's ideas have even made it into the game, these include: pachy being coastal, group leader boosting the speed of other group members for galli.
Some devs, such as Punchpacket even discuss here.

[graceful raven]

@icy lion my suggestion was to fix the ping issue. i wasnt suggesting a bug fix. thx

[icy lion]

"and other issues you find"

If you rubberband bad enough to fracture a leg, that's report worthy imo

[graceful raven]

hmm

[hearty sphinx]

What is causing the massive fps lag spikes?

[barren zephyr]

need better CPU probably

[desert arch]

Lag spikes may be caused by an outdated driver. Do you experience random freezing as well?

[hearty sphinx]

My cpu is i7 and I have a very good gpu

[barren zephyr]

what i7?

[hearty sphinx]

Yes. I checked the drivers and they are up to date

[desert arch]

Have you checked for any corrupted files?

You may need to reinstall the game

[hearty sphinx]

i7 -11709 11th gen intel core

[barren zephyr]

ye, then should be fine

[hearty sphinx]

How do I check for corrupted files?

[barren zephyr]

probably look at other programs running in background or try to verify game files

[hearty sphinx]

No other programs running and I've verified game files

[desert arch]

Open steam>right click the isle>properties>check for corrupted files

But just reinstalling is the safer option

Even if you dont have any corruption going on

[barren zephyr]

if you verified game files then that's about all I can suggest

[desert arch]

Ok then, reinstalling is the only option

[hearty sphinx]

No one else had this problem?

[desert arch]

I did

Lag spikes+random freezing

Updated my drivers and reinstalled the game, no lag spikes since then

[barren zephyr]

fps lag is a symptom of a weak CPU in this game, other than that only thing you can try is reinstalling

[desert arch]

I have a faboulus cpu, corrupted files can do some nasty things

Even to good pcs

[hearty sphinx]

Ok will try that. Thankyou

[desert arch]

Np

[barren zephyr]

verifying game files should have fixed that

[desert arch]

I did that as well, didnt fix it
Steam may have tricked me🤷‍♂️
But as long as its getting it fixed, I dont care what method I use lol

[barren zephyr]

yes software is weird

[full pewter]

@uncut dagger I think it’ll be fine to at least bring back avas, oros, tacos, and velos as AI in evrima. AI rex tho?? NO THANKS!

[limber hull]

Why bring any of those back when many of them are the same size and purpose as boars, goats, deer and so on

[tardy jacinth]

Just adds more variating and details to the game

They're trying to make things somewhat realistic - that'd be another way to go with the game to support that

[full pewter]

I think that’s what migration and diets will be about. Plus Ava will pressure nesters and burrowers, tacos could be an animal to be dug up, oros are already really small and could feed smaller Dinos, and velos could be an actual threat to fresh spawns

[limber hull]

I just would rather those species be playable than delegated to literal walking food

[tardy jacinth]

People may not see a point in playing them if all they're gonna be is food for carnis

[rare fractal]

The simple solution would be for them to not be that

[tardy jacinth]

That is the worst logic I have ever heard

[rare fractal]

How?

Make them fully fledged playables designed to not be fodder

Then they won't be just food

[barren zephyr]

Yea

[tardy jacinth]

okay, okay, in that sense, yea. I agree.

But, knowing the devs, they ain't gonna do it proper

[barren zephyr]

Damn you have a point

[rare fractal]

I mean....they've done it for everything so far

[tardy jacinth]

Nah, they released two herbivores that no one plays cuz they're boring and just fodder

[rare fractal]

Yeah they're literally unfinished

[tardy jacinth]

I know xD

I'm just saying

[rare fractal]

Same as stego, only stego has the stats to still play comfortably

[tardy jacinth]

That's why I'm just saying - at this point in time, knowing the devs, they ain't gonna do what ur suggesting correctly. Ur proving my point

It's understandable why

[rare fractal]

It's not even a relevant example. They literally ARE going to be brought up to standard with the other playables as far as survivability. You'd have a point if the devs considered them feature complete...they don't

[tardy jacinth]

I have little faith, but we'll see

[civic hull]

@split elbow Allosaurus could not get up to 42 feet and 6 tons. Saurophaganax could. Allosaurus Fragilis could get 9.7 meters long and weigh 3-3.5 ish tons if I recall. On average however Fragilis was 8 meters and 2-2.5 tons

[split elbow]

AMNH 5767 is an Allosaurus fragilis and it's 42.6 feet long and thought to be 6 tons

[uncut dagger]

ok but why even when current AI world just fine

[cyan flame]

@lyric spoke Wouldn't part of the point of being allowed to change things to provide different kinds of balance and not be "stuck" as it were with only official sets or something? While being able to see what stats/mutations and things have been changed and how would be nice, I'd rather let unofficials change things as they see fit, being allowed to provide the experience they want. If unofficials end up "imbalanced" then well, that's fine after all.

[civic hull]

link?

either way it seems dubious to me that it is actually an allosaurus and not a saurophaganax

if I had to guess its probs a very fragmented skeleton

[full pewter]

Ehh fair fair, still idk what taco, oro, and velo could do, still seems at least velo is confirmed from protos concept art

Unless that’s changed

[split elbow]

Hold on

Might take me a hot minute to find it

[civic hull]

ok

I sure couldnt lol

[split elbow]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-truly-exceptional-allosaurus-30879252/ This was one of them

[civic hull]

probably a saurophaganax

yea defo a saurophaganax imo

[grim cedar]

was it the thing with migration and gateways i don't really understand tho, it's on this new living roadmap, how this gonna work?

[sick crescent]

Sauro is becoming a favorite carni of mine

Rex still holds number one though

[dawn goblet]

I'm sure its already been reported, but where to report that scent leads me to invisible meat, I press "G" to grab it and it shows in my mouth, but it wont let me eat or drop it?

[acoustic spruce]

I think that when you spawn in, instead of just standing there your character should have a “waking up” animation

[full pewter]

@spiral mountain gallis take less time to grow than Omnis, and if they could stun them they would be unreasonably overpowered against them. Gallis can already fight Omnis decently well with enough skill, and Omnis can only really kill an pinned adult galli if they have near full stam. And I hate to use this argument, but their whole playstyle is about flight over fight anyway, and I think it’s crazy that they can bleed out a carno as easily as they can

[cyan flame]

@silk prairieBecause it's already "weaker" than it should be, so no reason to make it more so. Especially not with even more powerful playables coming along sooner rather than later that it will need to be able to handle in some manner.

[pure quiver]

Did people not like my "remove auto-chuffing" on Cera? Or my suggestion to turn Magy into Shunosaurus and give them a thago-club tail?

[gleaming silo]

@earnest goblet thats a good idea for april fools but it will be in the next year

[silent current]

honestly at this point gonna keep suggesting til something gets done the same hacker that's been causing trouble on na 3 exists after like several days and I know this because I played with Kav on the 15th which was when we first encountered the speed hacking cerato

[grim cedar]

@buoyant dove Officials are envrima or legacy rn? also is legacy staying or gettin cut wholly?

[split elbow]

Scientists aren't 100% sure if it's allosaurus or saurophaganax but from what I read they're leaning towards allosaurus

But who knows

[earnest goblet]

id personally rather to wait more than have that jp3 and crocodile hybrid spino in game

[gleaming silo]

i mean ur idea bout renaming beepy to Michael officially

[earnest goblet]

ahh it was a joke xD

[gleaming silo]

oh lol

[amber sail]

deino # 1 , even if you see him its too late

[amber sail]

@thick raft Admins barely ban them. cheaters run rampant on official servers.

[thick raft]

sad to see

[acoustic spruce]

I heard someone mention steam achievements and that would be cool

For like random things you do example “||wow you’ve survived!||” When you get to adulthood, or “||you remembered to eat||” when you save yourself from starvation

[barren zephyr]

"Skill issue" when you die to deino @acoustic spruce

[next monolith]

Why does it seem like everyone hates the idea of stego getting a damage nerf?

I think it’s way too high

[urban flax]

Because stego definitely doesn't need a damage nerf

Especially not one that allows omnis to survive a body hit

That'd require the tail jab to deal less that 450 damage, rendering it absolutely useless against anything but troodon

[split elbow]

It needs one until the devs release something that actually stands a chance against it. Doing 2000 damage is just too much right now for the dinos that are there

[urban flax]

Well deino can do up to 4000 with lunge so I don't think stego's damage is that high in comparison

[proud coral]

There's a reason Stego is getting moved to unofficials "soon" 😛

It's already watered down a bunch, no need to make it even weaker

[split elbow]

Deino can't lunge a full grown stego

[urban flax]

thankfully

There is at least one playable in the entire game that can survive an encounter with a deino

[split elbow]

Stego can survive an attack from 3 deinos while crossing a river

[urban flax]

If the deinos are terrible yeah

[next monolith]

I think it being able to take out a fully grown cera in 2 hits is too much

[urban flax]

Bruh cera is tiny compared to stego

[next monolith]

It is already Tanky, plus it can 2 shot almost anything , that’s just poor balance

[urban flax]

If stego is OP, then what is Deino ?
More health
No weakspot
Bleed resistance
Much more killing potential
Can turn invisible at will
Easy af to grow

[next monolith]

I agree, Deino is op, they both are

[proud coral]

You could also just

not approach the Stego

[urban flax]

But somehow since deino has ONE bad matchup in the entire game that one matchup needs a nerf

[next monolith]

There aren’t mutually exclusive, I think they both deserve a nerf

[proud coral]

Well Stego's getting moved to unofficial only "soon", and Deino's said to get "battered with the difficulty stick" come Gateway, so we'll see how it turns out.

[next monolith]

I do hope it turns out well

[urban flax]

Stego is already nerfed to cater to the roster

As it is it's gonna stand no chance against apexes

[next monolith]

It’s not to the current roster

[urban flax]

Omnis, troodons and ceras can all kill stego when putting the effort to it

[barren zephyr]

stego has more killing potential tho, deino trash on land if u have a monitor

[urban flax]

Oh and deinos too if they know the slightest bit what they're doing

[next monolith]

True

[urban flax]

If you get killed by a stego, no matter how or where, you asked for it

[next monolith]

Stego has too much health for the amount of damage it deals

[barren zephyr]

kinda true

[urban flax]

Whereas you can get killed by a deino with no warning, just because you were drinking in a place where the water is slightly too deep

[next monolith]

Not really, some stego players just run up and attack

[barren zephyr]

skill issue 🙂

[urban flax]

And it never crossed your mind that you could walk away ?

[next monolith]

Not if they can hit you once or twice and kill you immediately :3

[urban flax]

How do you even get hit in the first place

[barren zephyr]

stego is as annoying as land deinos were before 6.5, even more cuz they don't need to drink as often

[next monolith]

Because they run up without me realizing?

[barren zephyr]

plug in monitor please

[next monolith]

Both are plugged in just fine :3

It just happens when my back is turned

[barren zephyr]

bro why are you sitting back towards monitors?

[urban flax]

So you're telling me you get ambushed by something that is loud af, can't crouch, slow as hell and that needs to come to a FULL STOP before it can attack ?

[next monolith]

But imo, the stegos should be able to at least be huntable by the carnis on the roster

[urban flax]

It is

[next monolith]

Hardly

[urban flax]

Omni, troodon, deino and cera (although this one shouldn't) are all able to kill stegos

[barren zephyr]

it's not huntable for average player

[full pewter]

@midnight stirrup I’ve mentioned in the past that ptera should be able to swim underwater, if this does happen I’d love to see water take offs like you’ve shown

[next monolith]

High health and high damage isn’t a good combination for balance

[urban flax]

No, since the average Isle player is really bad

[urban flax]

It doesn't have particularly high health for its size

[next monolith]

What are you talking about

[barren zephyr]

yes, devs should try to balance stuff for average andy

[urban flax]

It's even the only dino to take more than 1.5x damage on its head, so technically it's weaker than any other dino of the same size would be

[desert arch]

The game shouldnt be balanced around noob gameplay

[next monolith]

Have you tried to hunt one as any of these creatures?

[urban flax]

I don't think average andy should be able to kill something 20x its size without breaking a sweat

[barren zephyr]

average is a lil bit better than noob

[urban flax]

Nope because I don't play with packs

[desert arch]

Average isle players have brain rot tho

[next monolith]

Ok then you really have no idea how hard it is

[barren zephyr]

yes but rn average player can't ever kill stego even with group

[next monolith]

EXACTLY

[urban flax]

skill issue 🙂

[desert arch]

I did,pretty fun
My best moment was when me and another troodon killed a watercamping stego lol

[barren zephyr]

yes!

[next monolith]

How big was the stego

[desert arch]

Fully grown

[barren zephyr]

huge

[next monolith]

😳

[desert arch]

Took a bit more than 30 minutes, but definetly worth it

[next monolith]

Sounds very time consuming

[desert arch]

For only 2 troodons and a terrain abusing stego this is pretty fast

[urban flax]

"oh no it takes time for 2 troodons to kill a 6-ton animal, please nerf"

[next monolith]

Btw , I just want the stegos damage to be slightly nerfed, and that’s it

[next monolith]

Not at all what I’m saying lol

[desert arch]

Then deino and rex wrecks it

[urban flax]

That wouldn't change anything but their matchup with deino
Which is fine as it is

Unless it's MASSIVELY nerfed, it would still kill ceras and carnos in 2 hits, and omnis in 1 hit

[barren zephyr]

if steg couldn't kill rapter in one hit it would be more useless than hypsie

[next monolith]

I also think Deino needs a nerf too, to balance the entire game

[urban flax]

What kind of nerf ?

[next monolith]

I think it should

[barren zephyr]

I would nerf stego so they can't deal damage to deinos who are under water

[next monolith]

The lunge attack should do less damage and it should be harder to grow

[next monolith]

Dum

[desert arch]

Yes please

[urban flax]

Changing the lunge's damage wouldn't change anything tbh

Harder to grow I agree
Something this powerful doesn't deserve to be the easiest thing to grow

[barren zephyr]

lunge is only thing deino has, if u nerf it even a bit deino becomes unplayable unless you give it something else

[urban flax]

Even reducing lunge threshold to 1/4 of deino's weight would not change anything for the current roster

[next monolith]

I also want it to be slightly easier to get away from it’s jaws, I think fully grown carnos and ceras should be have a higher chance to get out of its mouth

[valid brook]

tbf, according to the roadmap, deino is getting a bit of a kit change along side stego

[next monolith]

I know, I’m excited about it

[urban flax]

inb4 the "kit change" is just giving it vertical lunge

[valid brook]

who knows

[barren zephyr]

creatures should have proper hitboxes and deino lunge could be a skillshot where outcome depends on where it's hit

[next monolith]

I think the stego should get a slight damage nerf where a full health cera or carno after getting hit 2 times, should only have a sliver of health left, just a bit more wiggle room with it

[barren zephyr]

if you get hit 2 x ur bad

[next monolith]

I can agree with that

[urban flax]

That means reducing its tailswing damage by 50%
Which also makes it so stego gets absolutely DEMOLISHED by deino
Like, even with a dumb tail-biting deino

[next monolith]

For how much health a stego has, you are more likely to get hit 2 times then not

[barren zephyr]

if you don't have the numbers in group to hunt it then don't, if you do you can just stay back and keep it boxed in

[acoustic spruce]

For the current roster, imagine getting struck by foot-long thagomizers and lmk how you’d fair

[barren zephyr]

I would dodge them ngl

I'm built different

[acoustic spruce]

“Dodges them” with unnoticed puncture wounds 💀

[barren zephyr]

nah, I go between them and just tank the push from tail

[strong kraken]

how do u fix the dx12 error when logging in?

[barren zephyr]

did you look in troubleshooting channel?

[barren zephyr]

💀

[jade brook]

@barren zephyr Well, if you can't see the ones who would attack you, that also mean you can hide from them as they can't see you.

[wheat elk]

Ngl I don't really like the new layout for the roadmap. It's harder to access than a simple Google page, and it's difficult to read because of YouTube's compression.

That being said, I may just not like the change, and when it has been around for a while I will probably go back to not caring. Also I know it is better for the Devs and such and can work smoother this way, it's just a non-expert, non-behind-the-scenes opinion.

What is everyone else's opinion?

[amber cosmos]

I agree however if it's easier for the devs I don't mind

[desert arch]

@valid meteor The devs do read every single feedback channel, some of the community's ideas have even made it into the game, these include: pachy being coastal, group leader boosting the speed of other group members for galli.
Some devs, such as Punchpacket even discuss here.

It may seem like it isnt being heard because most of the feedback is mostly the same things over and over again.

[valid meteor]

Oh. Well thank you for the clarification.

[desert arch]

No problem!

[amber cosmos]

@gilded hinge pls God don't turn this into ark

[gilded hinge]

just because one game has it now no other game can? The only thing they relate with is dinosaurs, hell you can't even BE the dinosaur in ark. Now every other dinosaur game can't have it? It's just a cool mechanic that actually happens in the real world and isn't some cool idea that developers came up with.

[desert arch]

Playing as a slave for humans doesnt sound fun though...

If it was ai, like in ark,then sure, no problem with it
But these are real players, no one will enjoy slave simulator

[amber cosmos]

Seeing as riding around on another player sounds cringe and humans will already be busted with guns I'd rather them not become Dino cav

[gilded hinge]

thats why i said domesticate/tame, IF the herbivore itself wanted to, both the human and the animal can control where to go. If that herbivore doesnt want to be a "slave" then it can just simply kill or kick off the human, like horses.

[desert arch]

Also which player would be in control? The dino? The human?
It would just be a nightmare to balance.

[barren crater]

What if they could turn you into AI after essentially killing you. So now you're in the character select screen and they have control over an AI version of you?
Not really griefing at that point

[desert arch]

So basically just mixpacking with extra steps?
That will probably happen regardless of game mechanics

[barren crater]

I thought that was the old goal as well

Maybe I'm thinking of something else

[amber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/immersion-schizo-vtuber-immersional-damage-meme-gif-24984030

[valid meteor]

@uncut dagger Srry for the ping, but the cooldown system is there to prevent spawn killing. Granted, if they did something about the hackers it would feel more justified, but yeah, the cooldown system is annoying but it would be a lot more annoying to have someone repeatedly kill you because they’re salty that they died.

[desert arch]

Honestly doesnt sound too bad
This would be a cool mechanic for gen 2

[gilded hinge]

The animal can take turns while the human moves forward, or something similar to that. or kick off the human

[gilded hinge]

mixpacking...?

[desert arch]

That would be a nightmare to coordinate without vc...

[gilded hinge]

how is a human with a herbivore mixpacking

[amber cosmos]

Not going to lie if they ever add this feature I'll make it my mission to kill all tames on the server cause cringe

[rare fractal]

How isn’t it

That’s the definition of mixpacking

[desert arch]

2 different characters working together.
Thats very much mixpacking.

[rare fractal]

You’re coalescing the benefits of both playables together to eliminate weaknesses

[gilded hinge]

its like the troodon pounce mechanic.

[rare fractal]

Which isn’t balanced

[desert arch]

Troodon doesnt control the movement of its prey tho

Its very different

[gilded hinge]

its just a human having a pet herbivore basically, or the other way around.

[rare fractal]

Which is mixpacking

[amber cosmos]

Only really makes since if another juvie killed you, how do you revenge kill against an adult Dino as a juvie

[gilded hinge]

they both take control.

[rare fractal]

I as a stego can have a pet teno herd, it’s still a mixherd

[barren zephyr]

@mint sonnet You could not have worded that better, exactly what I've been thinking about since the recode's release. If only devs ever checked the feedback channel

[desert arch]

At very different things. It isnt the same as 2 players controlling the movement of one "entity"

[rare fractal]

Pounce also accounts for a significantly smaller range of inputs

Than full fledged tandem control

[gilded hinge]

obviously there is gonna be restrictions to riding a herbivore. Like being unable to use a gun, because my idea was just to keep them as pets and ride whenever neccesary, and to run away.

[desert arch]

Having a pet galli would guarantee survival then, without risk

[rare fractal]

Unironically….ridinga dino should entirely disable literally any and all ranged weaponry outright with absolutely zero exceptions

[valid meteor]

Yeah, that is the only situation the cooldowns are useful. Hopefully they’ll make more sense when we get a sandbox mode.

[gilded hinge]

both players can just stop immediatily whenever they are unsatisfied.

[rare fractal]

Logistically how does this work

Also having a human friend as a dino would literally be meta

[desert arch]

This is just impossible to use efficently without vc

[gilded hinge]

yeah..I said ride them to run away

[rare fractal]

Which is absurdly overpowered

Get off your Galli, pull out the hunting rifle

Relocate since nothing in the game can catch up to you

[gilded hinge]

no there would be a cooldown like after the charge bite of a cerato.

[rare fractal]

Charge bite from Cera literally has a 1 second CD

That’s no significant period of time

[desert arch]

"Oh no! A group of allos are tracking me! 😦
Let me hop onto my trusty gallimimus. "

[gilded hinge]

7 second cooldown atleast.

[rare fractal]

It doesn’t matter unless it literally doesn’t exist

[gilded hinge]

or that gallimimus can just leave you alone

[rare fractal]

Shoot, relocate on your dino, rinse repeat

[valid meteor]

I have an idea for the taming thing. What if once you tame a herbivore you can text chat with them? The herbi has full control of where they go, who rides them, and when they get off. The human could ask the herbi player to take them to where they wanna go.

[rare fractal]

You’re invincible

[desert arch]

What if its a friend? Mixpackers and clans will abuse everything they can to dominate

[rare fractal]

Taming is literally meta

[amber cosmos]

If I'm not wrong didn't they plan to or speak about adding certain vehicles for humans anyway?

[rare fractal]

In no world does it end well for the game

[gilded hinge]

within 7 seconds that dinosaur can get close to you atleast, and it goes the same for cooldown before you can get on the gallimimus again.

[rare fractal]

None combative ones that require fuel that are particularly small

[amber cosmos]

Ok so why do they need tames

[desert arch]

Vehicles are rare, require fuel, loud, can only work on ceratin terrain and are probably slower than most dinosaurs, also they are very much breakable

[amber cosmos]

So balanced?

[rare fractal]

No it can’t…..

There are literally 2-3 animals in the roster that can close the distance a Galli can run in half the time before the CD is finished. Those being probably Herrera, Carno, and Ptera…

Every other animal in the game is fodderized by this tactic

[amber cosmos]

Unlike Dino riding

[rare fractal]

You can also set up your shot hundreds of meters from the target, then move

It’s not like you need to be close to shoot them

[gilded hinge]

7 seconds to get back on the gallimimus and to use a weapon.

[rare fractal]

Not nearly enough

[desert arch]

Yes
But a galli wont break, can survive on grass, can "repair" itself after taking damage and isnt loud while running much faster than a car

[amber cosmos]

We don't even know how strong guns will be yet either but I assume pretty strong

[rare fractal]

I mean….they’re guns

[gilded hinge]

that might change with upcoming dinosaurs.

[rare fractal]

They’re probably one tapping anything by smaller than a Carno

[gilded hinge]

10 seconds??

[amber cosmos]

So like I said vehicle's balanced Dino riding not so much

[rare fractal]

Unironically something like 20 minutes.

This isn’t even to mention that this tactic simply shouldn’t exist in ANY form

It’s absurdly bad for the game for that to be viable

[desert arch]

Oh sorry, thought you were arguaing for dino riding XD

[rare fractal]

99% of the playables operate strictly on melee damage

[amber cosmos]

No lol I'm the one that started the topic in here against the idea

[rare fractal]

Like think about this….what if Galli had a ranged attack that Insta killed every small and pseudo mid in the roster it could activate every few seconds

That’s what that would be adding

[gilded hinge]

ok then, I have no more to say.🤷‍♀️

Good talk, I didn't know cars were gonna be added anyway.

[rare fractal]

Yeah Jeep’s will be neat

[desert arch]

Helicopters

[gilded hinge]

helicopters might be possible.

most likely. (this is on gateway)

[amber cosmos]

Hopefully boats too I want to sink a boat as either a spino or mosa

[desert arch]

Helis would probably be insanely op tho
Depending on how much fuel is available

[desert arch]

Man I want to play on gateway

[gilded hinge]

Yeah i thought so too, it's just this human structure that might make it possible

[amber cosmos]

Quatz could merk them

[uncut dagger]

what? like if anything this punishes u even more to be spawn killed as u can’t try to get a different spawn at the same area

and someone could not repeatedly kill u since they lost all of their growth

and i honestly dont know what hacker have to do with this

[gilded hinge]

yeah like how pteras do in Jwe2

that would be really sick.

same goes for boats and ships if that's possible (for crocodiles and other confirmed aquatic animals, maybe mosa?)

[desert arch]

My personal issue with the idea is that it can be abused. Just imagine the massive mixpacks this could sustain. Clans and mixpackers will abuse everything they can to dominate.

[amber cosmos]

I'll hold out for mosa as long as it takes lol

[desert arch]

Isnt mosa planned to be just ai?

[uncut dagger]

how can u abuse this system??

[gilded hinge]

probably till they release the 3rd or 4th map lmao

[amber cosmos]

I can hope ok

[uncut dagger]

pretty sure yes

[desert arch]

Spawn as the biggest juvi in the game -> go to your friends you would like to feed -> die -> repeat

[gilded hinge]

they might make it playable once they expand the roster who knows

[valid meteor]

Well, the spawn killing mainly applies to juvenile dinos, for example, if the cooldown didn’t exist and you killed a juvie carno as a utah, that carno could come back and revenge kill you because you’re both still juvies. And the hacker thing is just a tangent because the cold system is basically useless against greifing with the amount of hackers in the game.

[uncut dagger]

u know what, that’s possible but this shouldn’t be over the whole “i died to a adult and now gotta wait 290s to spawn in again because the game thinks i can revenge” statement

[desert arch]

Right now the biggest juvi is deino, at 250kg, thats a lot of meat+organs
Thats an insane amount of free food that can come every minute basically

[gilded hinge]

There should definitley be a spawn cooldown, just shorter, since the cooldown takes about 5-6 minutes.

[uncut dagger]

bruh u read the full suggestion?

[desert arch]

I doubt thats the intention of it. Its more like what I just said

[valid meteor]

I think that’s a good idea. The cooldown now is still too long but it shouldn’t be removed.

[uncut dagger]

yes good idea

[gilded hinge]

around 2-3 minutes is good enough.

[valid meteor]

And yes, I did. I’m just saying that it would be a lot more work than just lowering the amount of time it takes.

[uncut dagger]

true

that was option 1 in the suggestion thing

can we really do something about people hopping onto alts with fully grown dinos to revenge? doesn’t seems like we can

[gilded hinge]

but i think the cooldown being on every dinosaur you wanna spawn in as is kinda eh, like if I die as a carno in center and I wanna go play as beipi there would still be the cooldown for center and on every other dinosaur, I think the cooldown should only be on the dinosaur that died, which is the carno.

unless what killed me is a baby like a baby carno and I come back as a baby deino that is.

[uncut dagger]

true but like if u wanted to revenge u could just pick cera

[gilded hinge]

yeah it isnt really good when you think about it, whatever killed you can be small and you can just come back as something stronger as a baby like a deinosuchus and simply get revenge.

[valid meteor]

I think that’s a good idea, but like you said, you could come back as a baby deino or some other baby apex and still revenge kill. I think the spawn timer not existing on small animals like dryo and hypsi would be a good idea.

[gilded hinge]

a 3 minute spawn cooldown is good enough I'd think.👍

[uncut dagger]

is it too much work to only add the cooldown if the thing that killed u is at juvie state?

[gilded hinge]

that feels like a mechanic that would take more time than it should to work, so it should be easier to just put a 3 minute cooldown, it's not so long either.

[uncut dagger]

is it tho? i am no game developer but this sounds so.. simple

[gilded hinge]

because it isn't like legacy, where you can just turn into a stage of growth whenever you want and when you do, your automatically the next stage of growth. Because in evirma you automatically keep growing with a percentage and I feel like a mechanic so specific might take more time.

[valid meteor]

It sounds simple, but from what I know about coding, factoring in the time it takes to separate code, add more code, and bugfix, not rlly.

Especially considering the time we have to wait in between updates.

Then again, I’m not an actual developer, I just know the bare basics of coding.

[uncut dagger]

yeah but there’s still a line between juvie and subadult, u can see when u press tab ur growth indicator suddenly changes from a juvie to a sub adult

like if ur 59.9 ur a growth stage and if ur 60 ur another , for exemple, no big stat changes tho

just the game taking u as the other stage

idk how explain it

[gilded hinge]

like the last percentage before you reach the next stage? That might not work since the baby may have already reached the next stage, died, etc, it doesn't sound hard to make, but it does sound like it's hard to work when you think about it.

[gilded hinge]

no I understood dw.

[uncut dagger]

wdym? like if the game display u as a juvie u get other people in cooldown when u kill them, when u are above the juvie state u dont

doesn’t sound that complicated to me

also hypsi doesn’t get a cooldown

wanted to point that out

ultimate trollin playable

[gilded hinge]

ah well I'm not sure, I just think the 3 minute cooldown is already good enough.🤷‍♀️

[uncut dagger]

yeah i guess it is

[gilded hinge]

plus with all the work that the developers already have in their hands it's better to take the easier route for now.

[valid meteor]

It heavily depends on how the seamless growth actually works within the code. Only the devs can know for sure weather or not it would be simple.

[uncut dagger]

yeah

i gtg now, cya guys. nice talk

[gilded hinge]

yeah good talk, cya!

[valid meteor]

Cya! Have a nice day!

[uncut dagger]

u too

[gilded hinge]

@polar ore The parasaurolophus is already confirmed.

[sinful yoke]

wqhy?

[uncut dagger]

@sinful yoke u mean like- carno can’t have skins anymore?

[gilded hinge]

@sinful yoke you can pick out the colors you want after you select "Carnotaurus" in the selection screen of the Carnivore section. If you don't like the default colors, you can pick out the reds and other colors you are satisfied with.

[limber hull]

@unreal ridge one false positive and you have someone permanently listed incorrectly as a cheater and unfairly harassed by an entire community of tens of thousands

Name and shame also makes a generally more toxic environment, and that’s the last thing The Isle needs

Encouraging harassment is never a good look, and God knows this community will use it as ammo to call the devs scumbags

[unreal ridge]

right now our admins barely have the ability to ban hackers

even discussing a hackers location or their creature is shot down by saying "no location dropping"

but I do see your point, I will change it

[limber hull]

Okay? I’m certain an admin can find a hacker without you telling everyone where to find them lol

It is impossible to hide from admins with the tools they have

[unreal ridge]

thats another problem there are no admins available to ban them, and other people have a right to know where someone hacking is

some have been saying the tools admins are given don't even let them ban perma or temporarily

[limber hull]

Yea IDK where that comes from lol

That’s just untrue

[unreal ridge]

well then what do we need

we need a way to report them to admins easily

even on youtube you can see hackers have been on official servers for multiple days in a row

and are almost never seen on community servers

[gilded hinge]

we just need replays to be turned on officials, thats it

because when you look back at the Replay and focus on the hacker, you can actually see their name and report them.

we dont need to drop their location or harrass them, just simply ban them.

[unreal ridge]

bans arent getting done, so i feel likes its reasonable to location drop them until an admin can dispose of them

[gilded hinge]

bans arent getting done?? what

[unreal ridge]

have you not seen the hacker that been on official for 4 days in a row?

not even hiding the fact

a ceratosaurus running faster than utahraptor

nearly faster than gallimimus

[gilded hinge]

I have, Ive seen a baby stego outspeeding the whole roster.

[unreal ridge]

location dropping a hacker is reasonable because theres very little anyone can do against it

[gilded hinge]

but that doesnt mean hackers are "disposable", garbage, cowards, in need of harrassment, and location dropping.

[unreal ridge]

it isn't fair I pay for a game just for someone who installed hacks to ruin it

[gilded hinge]

hackers are people that just play the game unfairly, its simply a game, no need to call them cowards or disposable.

[gilded hinge]

you can either attempt to report them or leave the server.

[unreal ridge]

aren't games supposed to be fun? after work you get a little time before you need to rest before tomorrow you get maybe a few hours

just for some low life to take all the soul out of it

[unreal ridge]

how do you report them might I ask? theres nothing on the discord

[gilded hinge]

if you really dont want to deal with it, then go to another server. or atleast try recording it and see what you can do.

[gilded hinge]

by suggesting to turn on replays in official servers, so after you come back to the replay you can see their name, and report. without harrasment or location dropping.

[unreal ridge]

that doesn't make any sense, I'm playing the game how it should be and someone has to install hacks to keep their barely above barnacle levels of skill satisfied so now I have to not play the game I love?

how is that fair in the slightest

[unreal ridge]

theres not an obvious way to report them on discord, even with replays

[gilded hinge]

its not that they are unsatisfied, they just want to beat everything because they can, if you cant use replays, no admins, then why not? you wont get punished anyways.

[gilded hinge]

what do you mean? there is a whole channel where you can share videos on.

[unreal ridge]

I'm not grasping your point, do you not get angry when killed by a hacker?

which channel is for reports exactly?

[gilded hinge]

there is no channel to report other people, you can either suggest a channel to report people, send it in the channel for videos, or dm one of the admins.

[unreal ridge]

this isn't a functional way to report them though

how about you suggest a channel where you can report them? pitch in a little

all our voices need to be heard

[gilded hinge]

i honestly would, if i didnt have a cooldown that is.

[unreal ridge]

fair enough

[unreal ridge]

yeah i understand cooldown

[gilded hinge]

lol

i was just showing how long i need to wait.

[icy lion]

@unreal ridge @gilded hinge You can report hackers by pinging the official server admin role, and/or dming official server admins with info

[gilded hinge]

yeah, but you need the hacker's name to actually report them

[icy lion]

No, you don't

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr i think the word you're looking for is better net-code, but I agree!

[acoustic spruce]

@amber cosmos I really like the idea of being able to scent other players if they’re up wind

[amber cosmos]

Same

It's a important part of hunting or not being hunted in rl

[fierce lintel]

deino is the slowest starving animal in game #general-feedback message

also because balancing

[limber hull]

@buoyant dove save that for Tribals

[buoyant dove]

No why?

Both the mercs and tribals should be able to craft weapons

[limber hull]

Because that's tribal stuff

Gen 2 doesn't do that, nor do they need to

[buoyant dove]

They do

They spawn in with no weapons

[limber hull]

Yes, they get weapons from human structures

[buoyant dove]

Ok

[limber hull]

Guns and other actual weapons designed for human use

[buoyant dove]

Gen 2 get weapons from buildings and tribal make weapons out of the "exotic" fauna of the islamd

ok

[limber hull]

Yes

[buoyant dove]

Ill change it it makes more sense tbh

[limber hull]

Gen 1 are the insane savage 9 foot tall cannibalistic "humans"
Gen 2 are just artificially made humans

[buoyant dove]

Tribals are gen 1?

[limber hull]

Tribals = gen 1 yea

[buoyant dove]

Ok thanks

[limber hull]

But that kinda stuff is already planned, Gen 1 are said to craft their own weapons and even make totems and sacrifices out of that which they kill

Unlike Gen 2, they also are said to be able to kill, eat and harvest things from dinosaurs

[midnight stirrup]

@bleak bison apologies for the ping, but I couldn’t help myself when it came to your katana suggestion.

It’s been said in the past by punch iirc, that humans will be able to use melee weapons like crowbars and such, maybe a rare Katana melee weapon could be found and it’s noticeably better than the other melee weapons.

[bleak bison]

No need to apologise for pings my friend. I’d love that. Itd make me actually want to play humans.

[midnight stirrup]

I can imagine a skilled Merc utilizing a katana to potentially take on an Omni

If a second one comes though, probably best to stick to guns lol

[bleak bison]

Yeah,it can’t be too powerful. How many bites would a human take from a Utah tho do you think?

[midnight stirrup]

I’d say in a one on one, between a skilled Merc and a singular Omni, the Omni most certainly has the advantage. I’d imagine it may only take 2-3 bites or maybe a pounce to kill a human. It depends though, maybe some kind of military-esc padded armor or modernized chainmail could protect?

We’ll see, it’s hard to gauge since we know almost nothing on humans

[bleak bison]

with body armour i think maybe it could double the human durability?

but if theres different types are armour then it could be different

[midnight stirrup]

generally I think things around Omnis size are the only thing that they’ll be able to take on without drastic measures, and even then they may prove to be an issue.

[bleak bison]

I’m inclined to agree

[austere axle]

@random imp , guess it's too much. Day should start at 6 and night at 20

[tired peak]

yeh at 20 is perfect already

[barren zephyr]

Day should remain unchanged

just press X at night

[tired peak]

its your opinion agaisn't a lot more people

[barren zephyr]

devs thought the same, so it's me and devs against you randoms

[tired peak]

if you say so bud

[worn peak]

I agree that night feels awfully long right now, would be nice if it would be a bit shorter

[barren zephyr]

it feels long, it's not long

[worn peak]

it is pretty long in my opinion

[barren zephyr]

it's even longer irl

what's the point of having nights in the game if during that time you don't ever need to leave your bush

[random imp]

Said the other random lol. Go outside kiddo

[barren zephyr]

no u

[random imp]

Yhea agreed, like it's actually irl lol... more or less

[random imp]

[tired peak]

it is? i dont think you know the light cycles irl

[worn peak]

well I have more fun playing with daylight, so that's the point. I would simply prefer nights beeing a bit shorter

[barren zephyr]

day/night cycle depends on how far from the equator this island is

[barren zephyr]

I meant it's longer as irl nights last hours not 20 minutes

[worn peak]

who cares how long it is irl? I don't play a game to make it feel like irl. There is also no dinos irl, so what's the point of that argument?

[tired peak]

yeh so that means in game night should be an hour and day should be 20 minutes?

[barren zephyr]

if you want days to be longer then the cycle as a whole should be longer, current night length is perfect

[tired peak]

exactly thank you

[tired peak]

that is not the point

[worn peak]

that's your opinion, not mine. The lenghts of the cycle is fine, I just want the night-part to be a bit shorter

[barren zephyr]

the night can't be shorter, there is no point in having a night if it does not affect your gameplan

[tired peak]

nobody is saying to remove night time

[civic peak]

If the entire world wasn't in grayscale it may not be as bad as an issue but it's pretty boring looking at a black and white world for 40 minutes. No reason that night needs to be so long.

[random imp]

Indeed

[tired peak]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

literally all moaners want night to be shorter, 10 minutes of night is too short for it to have a purpose in game

[worn peak]

we are not saying it is supposed to be 2 minutes long. There would still be night time but I don't want to run around with nightvision half the time

Right now it just feels like it takes forever and nighttime is pretty boring

[barren zephyr]

that's a you issue, go do something instead of sitting in bush

[tired peak]

guys its useless arguing with him, just wasting time

[barren zephyr]

I am never wrong

[tired peak]

sure kid, thats why everyone disagrees with you

[worn peak]

no, it is not. I just walk around a lot at night but noone seems to be willing to fight at night

[barren zephyr]

well, I don't start chatting unless I am right

[random imp]

Boy, who said 10 mins? It should be a good 60% day and 40% night. So night crawlers can go out and hunt but it'd still be enjoyable for all.the others lol

[barren zephyr]

it's not just a pvp game

[worn peak]

it is an argument. There is no wrong or right about opinions

[random imp]

You must be so fun to have around. Lets just drop this, it's just trolling at this point

[barren zephyr]

facts, not opinions

[civic peak]

I don't even think they'd need to drastically alter the time. Make small adjustments here and there to see what works. 10 less minutes of night could make all the difference

[worn peak]

well if I wanne eat grass, I can do that at daylight too. And then I might even see people

[barren zephyr]

you are supposed to hide during day and travel in darkness

[tired peak]

just because thats how you play doesnt mean everyone does that, where even is the fun in that, do you know the point of a game?

go touch some grass please

[barren zephyr]

I don't play like that

[worn peak]

no I am not XD Not every animal does that. A game is supposed to be fun and only walking in darkness is pretty damn boring to me. That is just my opinion, easy as that. You ain't gonna change that and it seems others agree with that since your suggestion got a lot of downvotes

[worn peak]

why do you say I am supposed to do that then?

[barren zephyr]

because I am deino player and you are not

[barren zephyr]

np, I downvote all cryers

[random imp]

Don't argue with the troll guys

[barren zephyr]

I am literally god, I can't be wrong

[random imp]

Troll god

[worn peak]

a troll god is supposed to be funny tho XD

well I guess the dev's will decide if they keep the night as long as it is right now or change it up

[barren zephyr]

they decided to make it like this 🙂

it was the same in previous patch

[worn peak]

and they decided to make a feedback channel where people can give their opinions on their decisions^^ If they never wanted to change anytjing, they would need a channel like this

[barren zephyr]

they made feedback channels so u don't moan about stuff in other channels or DMs

💀

unless you have an actual good idea they aren't gonna care what who, who and who say

[worn peak]

worth a try anyways

[barren zephyr]

yup

[tired peak]

you're the one that literally went to said channel cry saying to keep it as it is and even said "please"

and look, its going great with 20 downvotes

[barren zephyr]

It was a post meant to make fun of all the night moaners making 20 posts every day. I said please because I am just that polite. I don't care about downvotes, as I said, that post is meant to make fun of people complaining about wanting longer days.

If you scroll up a bunch you will find it's my third one with this theme

I would have put an emote but outside emotes are disabled, maybe I have to just screenshot it and post the screenshot next time

[tired peak]

you're just making yourself a fool at this point, but keep at it, have fun

have a rest of a lovely day

[barren zephyr]

I am no fool, I cosplay the villain

[low canopy]

I thought trolling on feedback was bad

[pseudo copper]

That's why we should stay respectful to each other again now, shall we? If you wanna discuss this outside of this channel feel free to take it to DMs.

[buoyant dove]

@dawn goblet Thinking about entire discussions and conversations of a bunch of hidden apex predators knowing i was just near the surface of that water is terrifying to think lol

[dawn goblet]

exactly

when I experienced it, there were like 5-10 deinos in a single area, all planning / plotting take downs of Stegos/Cera/Carnos and no indication on the surface so many were even in the area, the only thing that suggested any were around, was a meat smell from the river.

[normal lotus]

Do not worry my friend about deino. Iirc dondi did say "enjoy the last month where deino is easy on any stage of its life"

[dawn goblet]

Yeah, I saw the rebalance note in the dev live roadmap! 😄 super excited to be able to cross/drink from a river without my life being in complete jeopardy regardless of the grown/species I'm playing

[amber cosmos]

He didn't say they were being removed lol

[swift herald]

Do you guys have a Discord tab or some other place where I can see in detail what the charged cerato bite and trodoon venom does how it works and the effects?

[civic peak]

@simple cave I think a natural border is a wonderful idea. Much more immersive than a shimmering force field and far more terrifying. You get to know real quick where you can go and the games that use this give you ample warning to go back.

[simple cave]

im glad you like the idea! i wasn't sure if anyone here was gonna have any positive views of it lol

but yeah it's something that would really create immersion for the game

hoping the devs add something like it one day

[civic peak]

I think it would fit well with the feeling of the game. The devs have shown in some concept drawings of having larger aquatic ai predators. They could pick the largest, and when you go out into empty ocean you see it in the distance, hardly visible in the blue

And when you get closer it senses you, swimming towards you, but abandoning the chase when you enter the shallower areas

Personally I love it when games do this well. When I first played dredge I was so scared when I found the natural border

[buoyant dove]

@simple cave By natural borders i thought you ment instead of the blue border it were giant patching of trees awesome suggestion

[simple cave]

thanks

[violet vessel]

That sounds really cool. But I also want to play as a mosasaur/livyatan/tylosaur. Maybe it could be an aquatic strain, or some huge monster like what the skeleton on v3 was?

[limber hull]

That's an Island Walker, but I'm pretty sure they're not being added in any substantial way, or if they're even canon to any extent anymore

[civic peak]

It would be cool to play as one of them, but sadly I don't think the devs plan on doing that. I don't think they want to have any pure aquatic payables.

[violet vessel]

It doesn't need to be exactly that, but maybe a hyper deinosuchus, or hyper spino.

[limber hull]

hyper spino will probably be a playable (and based on what we know about EVRIMA Spino, might not even be able to swim)

[violet vessel]

Again it's just an example

It could be a unique strain, or maybe a swarm of small monsters. It could be anything.

[violet vessel]

I'm pretty sure they said that they would consider it when every other piece of content is delivered. And if the isle devs are anything, they are ambitious. I wouldn't put it past them to announce some fully aquatic animals and if they don't, someone in the mod scene will.

[civic peak]

That would be pretty cool!

[uncut dagger]

yo can anyone please explain to me why does a lot of people want to keep the respawn cooldown? why is that cooldown important

[low canopy]

I dislike it since it makes hotspots even worse (free food by having people spawn as x dino and kill themselves to feed others)

[limber hull]

Why do we need to remove or reduce it? It's literally just 5 minutes

[limber hull]

Also this

I've seen people quite literally use alts to spawn stego babies on demand for their starving raptors

I'd rather not have that be enabled even further

Hell, now that deino is on omni's diet for whatever reason, and organs are that much more filling and nutritious, given it's NUTS juvi weight, you could literally sustain an entire omni pack indefinitely with just respawning in a specific spawn zone as deino, dying, feeding the pack, repeating

[low canopy]

i think it would be healthy for the sake of longevity of the game to encourage players to move around the map rather than stick to one zone which is what is currently happening, please remove regional spawns

[limber hull]

Agreed, regional spawns are a massive issue

Gateway kinda helps with the problem by making regional spawns per-species, not universal

So carnos spawn in different spots from tenos

And there's a LOT more potential spawn locales

But yea, I agree with regional spawns just not being very good

[uncut dagger]

yeah but like how about when u die to a full adult and have to wait to spawn which happens so more frequently then this

as usual gateway is going to solve all of our problems

[limber hull]

Ehhh

[low canopy]

why do you feel the need to pick specific spawn point every time, even at the expense of doing nothing for 300seconds, thats the issue

[limber hull]

I mean, you can still do it on Gateway

[uncut dagger]

is it tho? rng kinda sucks, like when u spawned at ocean gate and had to drown urself

[limber hull]

It's not like this issue dies with Gateway

[uncut dagger]

cause in spiro thats where all the food is

[limber hull]

Regional spawns as a concept are the things causing the problem, and those are still present on Gateway, albeit done far better

[low canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-gif-18333926

[uncut dagger]

doesnt it being done better offuscate the issue?

[low canopy]

that is the issue, not 300 seconds

[uncut dagger]

thats actually true

[limber hull]

North-West, South and sometimes South-West are all perfectly valid spawn zones. The only outwardly bad one I can think of is North-East, which is quite literally in the middle of nowhere for most animals

[uncut dagger]

are they tho?

[low canopy]

I totally understand that, I only ever spawn as juvi stego and yeet it for food this update, The AI is nonexistant

[uncut dagger]

south west is out of the question that place doesnt feel like nowhere, it is nowhere

[limber hull]

Yea?

[uncut dagger]

yep

[clever lion]

Imagine that in game💀

[limber hull]

Funny thing about the AI, it is existant, but Spiro being the way it is means you will NEVER see it

[uncut dagger]

this is 1 bealtiful shot

[low canopy]

I think its just broken, ai spawns that is

[limber hull]

AI dies and spawns somewhere else on the island. This can be anywhere, including the miles of dense, featureless jungles with zero water or other resources. So, when we kill the AI we can see (in the open plains/near centre), they will more often than not spawn somewhere else. AI can end up being in MASSIVE amounts on the wider outskirts of the island where no-one is because you will literally dehydrate or break a leg getting there

The AI exists, it just is seldom seen

[low canopy]

ehhh, I normally grow via AI in the previous updates and rarely had issues finding any

[limber hull]

I mean, I personally prefer less AI

Because I dislike growing off it as a concept

Cera/carno actually being somewhat required to engage with players and take risks is exactly what I'd want to see from apexes

[low canopy]

less AI = player distribution across the map matters more
results on hotspots becoming more required for basic survival

[limber hull]

I mean, I feel it more presents the issue with Spiro as a whole, which is

All herbi food is at/near centre
Most viable water sources are at/near centre
All herbis are at/near centre
All carnis know that most herbis will be at/near centre
All carnis stay at/near centre

Even if there are no herbis to speak of, why would you go away from the spot where herbis would be, if they were alive

You put herbi food somewhere else, irregardless of if there are herbis, carnis will follow, because herbis are something you can rely on

[low canopy]

most players pick carnivore for obvious reasons, this means that migrations don't matter and players sustain themselves by killing each other at X and Y areas

but hey, my theory goes to test with gateway

[limber hull]

People will naturally spawn where the herbis would be, irregardless of if there are herbis, because that's where they know some carnis will be, looking for herbis, which they can eat

It also has to do with water distribution, and the fact there are massive pockets of scarcity

If you moved a ton of herbi food out of Centre Spiro, and introduced more water to complement it, I guarantee you the entire carni population would spread out