general-feedback-discussion

[turbid condor]

EU1 currently has multiple hacking crocs i had to log out so i dont die.

[red marsh]

I got my stego stuck, and my deino stuck on server na 1 and na 7

both dehydrating and dying

[lucid robin]

why are the conversations in here never about the latest #general-feedback posts...?

[nova gorge]

We don’t promote mix packing here

[stoic pier]

why are mods similar to POT bad

[limber hull]

because The Isle doesn't need them

at this jucture

[oblique bobcat]

@red marsh I don't agree with everything but I do agree that there are game breaking bugs people are experiencing right now including myself sometimes that have been around for a year or more. None of which are fixed yet and the developers give us no insight to why or if they just don't have the time or something

[outer yacht]

some bugs have actually been fixed for ages, just not actually given to us for god knows what reason

[faint folio]

I'm confused. It feels like we're saying the same thing, but not realizing we're saying the same thing?

[terse storm]

Does anyone know why I can't play as human or as the new dinos?

[normal lotus]

To answer your first question humans are on unofficials only. Your second one is because the new dinosaurs are stress test. The update hasn't released yet

[languid badge]

Completely forgot about that Dino and I would agree with that as well. I could put in order from worse to best NV. Worse: Carno, galli, Stego
Bad: Cera, tento, pachy
Good: petra, hypsi, beipi, Omni,
Best: Troodon, Dieno, Dryo
Argument for these. Herd animals graze during the day and bed down at night. Carno is a day time sprinter like a cheetah. Smaller Dino’s would have better NV since day time is usually ruled by bigger Dino’s

[terse storm]

@normal lotus and how can I play like human or unofficial server? When I enter one human is not opcional

[normal lotus]

Are you on evrima or legacy?

[terse storm]

Evrima

[limber hull]

did you forget about carno lol

and stego

[languid badge]

I put them both in the reply under worse

[normal lotus]

Some unofficial servers have humans others dont

[terse storm]

Ohh kk

Ty

[normal lotus]

So anyone wish to give some constructive criticism on my idea for the eyeless?

[unreal inlet]

@fossil crypt what you mean with AoE?

[fossil crypt]

area of effect

[unreal inlet]

and why is that stupid?

[fossil crypt]

u can never swarm stego cuz it kills everyone at same time

[urban flax]

You know what's even more stupid than stego having AoE on a tail attack ?
Stego not having AoE on a tail attack.

[languid badge]

I like the AoE since it’s a swinging motion used to control an area and keep distance.

[fossil crypt]

it's not healthy for the game tho

delusional stego abusers can't play anything else because skill issue

[languid badge]

I see where you’re coming from and I understand however you are not meant to swarm a stego for that exact reason.

[limber hull]

"delusional stego abusers" is such a hysterical statement to me

[urban flax]

You can if you don't run into its tail

[fossil crypt]

then how do u kill it?

[languid badge]

Feints and baits

[fossil crypt]

bait dn in your mouth

[limber hull]

deino can bite it to death, coordinated omnis can bleed it to death, carno should stay in its goddamn lane and ptera can harrass it for hours

[urban flax]

The goal of hunting something 5x your size never was to dogpile it to the point it cannot do anything because it can't kill you fast enough even though you're yeeting yourselves at its tail

[fossil crypt]

holy moly you are so delusional how many players are that good and work together perfectly?

[urban flax]

You should require to be that good and work together perfectly to kill something that is two leagues above yours

[languid badge]

Agreed

[fossil crypt]

hello are u huh? stego is 2 tons smaller than a deino, it shouldn't be able to 1v5 ever

[urban flax]

If a stego soloes 5 deinos, then the deinos have a massive skill issue

Or they're juvies

[limber hull]

lmao 5 deinos dying to a stego is a deino competency issue, not a stego issue

[unreal inlet]

Then you look for an easier opponent

[fossil crypt]

a single stego should not be able to hold a river hostage

delusional stego players KEKW

[limber hull]

delusional deino players seriously think 5 deinos dont melt stego

i've played enough deino to know 2 deinos is essentially a won fight against a solo stego

if you manage to kill FIVE deinos on one stego, that's just sad

[fossil crypt]

stego just runs away, it deals damage and runs away, wearing deinos down till they die

[unreal inlet]

...

no

[normal lotus]

The deinos can just...leave.

[fossil crypt]

I have seen morbillion deino players who say it's so ez to 1v1 stego but nobody has actually done it

[limber hull]

so don't chase the ones that flee, kill the ones that try to stick around and fight, aka, the actual delusional stego players

[languid badge]

I don’t think deinos are meant to pursue stegos anyways

[normal lotus]

Me and 5 other deinos shredded down a stego player 2 days ago.

[fossil crypt]

leave where? can't even get out of river

[limber hull]

go INTO the river

[normal lotus]

Go INTO the river and swim

[limber hull]

you SWIM

[fossil crypt]

ye it's possible if stego player has 3fps

swim where? to the edge of the map and starve?

[limber hull]

WHAT

what the hell are you talking about lol

[fossil crypt]

you are special, don't talk to me

[languid badge]

🤦‍♂️

[normal lotus]

To somewhere...without a stego??

[limber hull]

idk if you realise mate

but you can swim most places and not be near a stego

[normal lotus]

@fossil crypt are you dense?

[unreal inlet]

You can, if the stego grabs him, stunt him for a very short time, the other can bite him, that's how various deinos have done it with my stegos.

[normal lotus]

THE MF BLOCKED ME

[languid badge]

I forgot if stego is even on the diet for deino?

[limber hull]

yea people who dont have arguments tend to block people who disagree with them

[normal lotus]

The guy called me special too

[unreal inlet]

But I'm not a good fighter either, but if one of 3 deinos is at least a little better, a stego shouldn't be a problem unless it's a professional

[normal lotus]

It is on the diet

Someone ping him

[languid badge]

I have never had an issue fighting a stego as a croc. But I also don’t go for them unless it favors me. Deino is a opportunistic hunter

[normal lotus]

Yea.

[normal lotus]

Did he block you too?

[languid badge]

I’m not seeing his messages anymore but I just thought he may have stopped typing

[normal lotus]

He probably did as he realized that he lost

[languid badge]

I was trying to have a discussion and wasn’t trying to be rude but he became hostile af. I do not understand lol

[unreal inlet]

@shell plume But you could do that with every Dino, because a Carno or Teno also likes to do Bodycamp.

That's a rule thing, and the rule allows it.

Now that it did a stego on you once, toning it down for it is wrong.

Then it would have to be done for everyone.

If in doubt, I can then make the same argument: find other food or another victim, which then also encourages Carnos to fight with other dinosaurs.
Instead of being obsessed with food.

*better try with translator

[faint folio]

@normal lotus I like the basic premise of the eyeless suggestion, however, I have a suggestion. Allow eyeless to see normal distance (to render) whether it's day or not. However, have it black and white, like night vision. Most importantly, the eyeless cannot detect players/resources without using echolocation or hearing noise when a dino moves. Eg players will not render unless they make noise or the eyeless use echolocation.

The point is, it shouldn't be frustrating to just move around as eyeless. Players already log out at night because night vision is incredibly frustrating for basic navigation. However, the eyeless should have difficulty actually finding other players without noise

[normal lotus]

I see

[faint folio]

Fundamentally, video games are a visual media, and humans (the players) are visually orientated creatures. Video games need to design around the fact that most information getting presented to the player is visual

Also, I like the eyeless being scary BECAUSE they can navigate in complete darkness way better than dinos or humans can. Not having eyes isn't a problem if you don't need to see.

Then the whole gameplay becomes essentially hide and go seek, where the humans/dinos can hear the eyeless and see it, and the eyeless can have "line of sight" to players and not actually see them, as long as they are quiet

[lapis swallow]

@amber sail least biased croc player

Also, @urban flax. Look, a eat grass and die Suggestion!!!

[pine dock]

@amber sail
I’ll love deino but 2 SHOTTING stego is outrageous you must be joking right?

[urban flax]

Oh I almost missed it
Thank you very much

[lapis swallow]

I got you

[amber sail]

no stego is too over powered it shouldnt take 5 deinos to kill 1 stego

[pine dock]

You must be the worst deinos to ever exist

If it takes 5 to kill one stego despite it only taking 2

[lapis swallow]

If 5 deinos cant kill a stego, they have not a skill issue, but a skill disease so severe, it would take a entire hospitals worth of effort to cure it.

[urban flax]

But how would you do that ? Give deino 3000 damage on its bite or make stego's headshot multiplier x6 ?

[amber sail]

shouldnt even take 2 each dino should be able to be killed 1v1 tro make it fair

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/screams-vanishing-gif-23313762

[urban flax]

A deino can kill a stego 1v1, which is already more than it should since stego is the only thing in the game deino cannot literally oneshot

[amber sail]

whatever you guys are obviously stego fan boys so im done here

[urban flax]

Apart from other deinos

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[urban flax]

Typical deino main argument

[lapis swallow]

That was quick

[outer sphinx]

Me when the guy with #EatGrassAndDie gets called a stego fanboy

Its not even the first time lmao

[urban flax]

Yeah I get that often

[outer sphinx]

You have gift for attracting these people

[pine dock]

I got called a stego fanboy
Time to make a gigantuan mixpacking pack

[urban flax]

I had to choose between having the power of flight, super strength or controlling time, and I chose to attract carnivore-biased people
Best decision of my life

[outer sphinx]

Well free entertaining is something everybody craves these days

[lapis swallow]

Well, you get free comedy shows

[urban flax]

Funniest part
Is that I almost exclusively play carnivores myself because I find herbivores boring

(It's a good part due to how misrable the current diet system is for herbis though)

[outer sphinx]

I play only carnis rn bc we got no Ceratopsians or the 2 murder turkeys (I like theropods aight)

[summer thistle]

If sprinting camera lock gets added I will die

[languid badge]

Idea: so I really like the audio feedback troodon gives when it’s time for the next venom stage. But what if it also have a audio response when it successfully pounces too that way players that are paying attention don’t over pounce and mess the timer up? Or would that be too much of a crutch?

I do like the current set up. So it’s not super important

[rough lily]

For Silver Sabertooth who said something about changing Dryo’s blinking sideways/dinosaurs blinking sideways in general:

Reptiles, birds and even sharks possess a nictitating membrane (a third eyelid) that they will use to blink. It’s not unnatural or weird.

[shell plume]

hard to find food when im about to starve. ive killed one of the only thing near me that is actually killable and when there is only 30 people on the server. now the main reason i pointed out stego is because when you are playing carno you cant do anything against a stego without ridiculously large numbers. they are unmovable when they decide to camp a corpse. the only thing that can take a stego on land is another stego and i highly doubt the odds of a cannibal stego coming along right then would be high

[unreal inlet]

@shell plume
But that's a rule, as a small Omni you can't move a big Carno away either, so these examples can also be given to others. Then you would have to forbidden Bodycamp. It's just part of it, and I've often seen a Carno attack a Stego or force him to stand up.
Most of the time there are other players around who make sure that he moves away, whereupon the carno quickly grabs the food and runs away.

Of course, if you're alone on the server or you're starving with just a few players, that's just bad luck.

then you should try not to get that deep in the first place.
Well, I can understand it to some extent, but I think it's exaggerated to have the stego changed

*Edit : text

[oblique bobcat]

@shell plume that would actually probably make a lot of sense since stegosaurus is such a giant animal with such muscle it would need to drink tons of water

[lucid mauve]

I mean a cow can drink more water then a elephant on a day : P

[rocky bobcat]

why dont u guys think skimming water should give u small amounts of water?

[shell plume]

stego is just a powerhouse on land anyway it basically has no predators because nothing is capable of standing up to its size and damage output its also always the bored stego players that camp. for example earlier i was bullied off a corpse by a full adult stego when i was only a hatchling carno

[proud coral]

Being able to fly away from most threats, Ptera needs to have some moments of extended vulnerability. Drinking while skimming is cool, but would mean that Pteras have to land even less. Now while I myself am totally fine with some animals just having a super duper easy time surviving, the problem to me is more so interactions. Ptera needing to land less means there's less risk for Ptera, meaning it can get very very boring when you realize pretty much nothing can touch you. Then there's things meant to hunt you. If you have Ptera on your diet, pff, good luck Which is made even WORSE when you realize Ptera doesn't even give much! So if you do get one.....it's not even rewarding.

[uneven magnet]

.

how do i play update 6.5 whats the thing called

[lucid robin]

i have to wait 4 hours to actually post this in general feedback, so in the meantime, opinions? (dont ping me about it tho)

Make pachy stun animals only when applying a new fracture to them. So if the animal doesn't get fractured, no stun, and if the animal gets a body (or any other) fracture when they already had a body fracture, they won't be stunned. This way pachy isn't too OP, but it isn't helpless either, and it can apply a fracture to something like a carno or raptor without getting half of its health bitten out of it.

[lucid robin]

a stress tester application. the apps arent open though, not rn anyway

[uneven magnet]

k

[normal lotus]

@viscid sail my dude you somewhat summarized the roadmap

We getting dilo Dibble and Herrera in between U6.5 and U7. And we are getting gateway. Perks and elder with gateway which should also add in replayability

[viscid sail]

Dinos arent too big a deal imo. And tbh with the lack of news- i assumed the roadmap was dead and they just do what they want at this point lol.

[normal lotus]

Well it's more rather we know what's coming up

Dilo Herrera and Dibble are all not tied to any update. Allowing them to be worked on while U7 is being worked on

[viscid sail]

I know these things have been talked about/are in the future but the main point is that I feel like it should be prioritized over more dinos etc.

[normal lotus]

Dilo Dibble or Herrera can arrive independently.

[normal lotus]

I mean yea. But they kinda are. As likely U7 will take high priority

[limber hull]

What is it with people and going "carno and his ambush predator niche"

Did we all just universally decide that the plains hunter being an ambusher was just what it had to be

#general-feedback message

also did he just suggest an INCREASE to the carno damage on charge

despite the fact carno's charge is ludicrously overtuned in terms of damage

[urban flax]

Charge needs more damage to be a proper ambush tool ofc

[limber hull]

yea of course

its not real ambush unless it vaporises a cerato in one strike

[urban flax]

Should change "unviable niche" into "ambusher niche"

[limber hull]

no

if i did, nothing would change

[urban flax]

Accept the majority's opinion

[limber hull]

i'd still be the unviable niche

[urban flax]

You keep rejecting modernity

[limber hull]

i reject stupidity

carno being reliant on a niche that specialises in it being anywhere but where it wants to be is dumb

[fallen river]

W

[outer sphinx]

Don't worry, Gateway will eventually release and all these people will start screeching in here again for their decisions

[limber hull]

people will still want ambush carno

for some reason

[outer sphinx]

Cmon, one more dmg buff, cmon, one more turn buff, cmon cmon, speed buff ,we can do it, we can make Carno ambush niche viable and also balanced!

[languid badge]

Carno is a sprinter and chaser like a cheetah. And biologically the carno could not turn on a dime. It was very stiff because it specialized in running

It also had a weaker bite. Carno should not be going toe to toe with Dino’s it’s size. It’s should be taking out smaller Dino’s

Cera realistically would body a carno I believe

[limber hull]

realistically, carno would absolutely body a cera

no way in hell a realistic cera would ever beat a realistic carno

[outer sphinx]

It was able to turn, just not Omni level, and thats where problems lied, that it had fast acceleration, fastest speed and amazing turn

And now it only has the speed

[limber hull]

also the only reason carno is so good at going toe-to-toe is the fact its charge is so unapologetically busted

[outer sphinx]

it should barely even do damage imo, just knocking down prey is good enough

Also I still believe Carno should need to catch up to its prey to knock them down, so has to pay attention to when and where it does it rather than now

[urban flax]

irl carno didn't have a weaker bite at all

That theory is massively outdated
About as much as Allo axe-bite

[lapis swallow]

I was kinda sad once I found out that the allo axe-bite was not real, it sounded so cool

[urban flax]

Just imagine how stupid it would look tho

[languid badge]

Oh so carno is actually quite the predator ?

[crude mulch]

@mint forge 300 ping isn't horrendous tbh. I'm sure 95% of Aussie players experience a consistent ~200 or more on a daily basis because our servers are always dead player wise so use the American ones instead

[oblique bobcat]

300 ping is horrendous

[crude mulch]

I guess it's perspective; if you're not used to it, it probably seems way worse than it is

[mint forge]

since I'm in Europe, trying to log on NA server would litteraly be a suicidal attempt. I barely can play with 120 ms, I get rubber-banded every seconds, can't even eat nor grab chunk of meat

[crude mulch]

If you're getting that many issues with only 100 ping it might be client side rather than server side

I only start getting bad lag when at around 400+, 300 is less than ideal and anything less than that for me plays like normal

Obviously the less the better but y'know

[mint forge]

wth

how can u play with 200 ms

anyway, joke aside, avoid EU 6 & 7, they constantly crash and teleport u back 20 min earlier

[crude mulch]

Used to it I guess; most multiplayer game servers growing up were American. Best we usually get in Australia are Asia servers. Not many games actually have servers based in Australia which is why I'm sad that the Evrima ones are always dead

[mint forge]

does it mean that there's not a lot of TI player on Australia ?

[crude mulch]

Not necessarily. Whenever an update drops the servers come back to life. I think it's just because we see that the servers are dead and so use others (Which in turn creates the problem lol)

[digital sparrow]

Honestly, Triceratops should be a freakin nightmare for Tyrannosaurs. It's one of evolution's greatest success stories and the worst possible creature for a T-rex to face, Ankylosaurus as well.

in fact, a good way to balance Trike v. Rex is to make it so that Trikes need a lot of food, thereby limiting their herd sizes.

[proud coral]

It's also a lil odd to ask for animals to be balanced "50/50" or something since that's not at all how it works. Player skill, environment, diet, etc. All play a role in matchups.

[oblique crown]

@buoyant berry It makes more sense to have Elite Fish on Pteras diet than not, sure it can't catch it that's a very big fish, but it's still a fish

[buoyant berry]

yes but this is a ''game'' reality based but still a game

[nimble nebula]

@elder fox @steady imp why dont you like the idea what could be changed

[quasi stream]

@calm badge they will add ai dinosaurs eventually

[lucid robin]

it makes no sense for a preferred food to be something which that dinosaur cannot hunt, especially if that dinosaur isn't a scavenger, like ptera

[barren zephyr]

@lucid robin I love that suggestion

[lucid robin]

oh! well thanks! :)

[analog ingot]

wrong chat

[wind island]

May I ask question regarding a possible bug?

Deinosuchus on another server is stuch within a rock formation, how do i shift it?

[north quiver]

go to #evrima-na or whatever server you’re on and ping official servers admins with your in game name and server name. check the pins in #evrima-na for more of an explanation

[cyan flame]

@mint forgeThis wouldnt work because in legacy, attacks dont take stam. Since attacks, at least some, in evrima do take stam, if you do this, it'd just reach a point where you can't defend yourself at all, no matter what.

[elder fox]

Its a well thought idea but I personally think designated paths kinda take out the fun in choosing how to migrate even though there are various options

[valid zephyr]

That’s the idea. They want stego to lose to one omni.

[limber hull]

herbivore beats meat eater

how dare they

[valid zephyr]

hyped to see how much people mald when trike and rex arrive. people can't cope with stego.

how they going to handle animals twice as powerful and far faster

[limber hull]

my bet is they'll love them because big scary apex

rex won't be hated at all

because it's a big carnivore that can contest with stego

people hate stego specifically because it shuts down the big carnivore power fantasy. Rex will be beloved because it can contest with stego

[valid zephyr]

nah looking at legacy, omni mains gonna be fuming if they can't solo it and call it skill

it's why so much of the playbase disabled alt turn. specifically so they could assride big dinos like rex with utahs

[limber hull]

i am willing to bet money that even if rex is bigger, stronger and faster than stego, people won't hate it half as much as they hate stego

[limber hull]

no, it's also because the game's entire balance relied on alt-turn not existing

because the weight system made heavier animals so oppressive

[valid zephyr]

so you think people will complain about trike but not rex?

[limber hull]

i think trike and rex will really not be half as hated as stego

[valid zephyr]

honestly i'm kinda glad that they're apparently thinking of moving stego to unofficials along with rex and trike

[limber hull]

i really dont want that if deino stays

stego needs to exist if deino exists

[valid zephyr]

currently it's just kind of an invincible statblock clogging up the player slots while nothing can touch it. while also being boring af to play and having no mechanics.

[limber hull]

so deino, but more killable

[valid zephyr]

moving it to unofficials will hopefully let it be given actual mechanics

[limber hull]

every single issue that applies to stego applies to deino tenfold

[valid zephyr]

1: at least deinos have grab as a mechanic
2: deinos mass cannibol each other

but yeah, i generally hate deino as a playable for so many reasons

[limber hull]

stegos also can kill each other, and cannibalism makes them easier to grow as deino

[valid zephyr]

mainly because it's impossable to suggest an aquatic playable without the response being "deino invalidates it"

[limber hull]

i dont think there's a single aquatic playable that's properly invalidated by deino

[urban flax]

Deino should stay on officials, but as AI

[limber hull]

no

[urban flax]

It's not even a dinosaur

[limber hull]

thats worst of both worlds

[urban flax]

If deino was AI it could work and be balanced as a proper environmental hazard

[valid zephyr]

i also don't think deino is 'fun' to play against.

it's just find a patch of water and a dice rolls to see if you go back to respawn screen

[limber hull]

have you seen fish AI

[urban flax]

And this is exactly why it should be made into AI
You could make it so players have a chance to escape without ruining deino experience

[urban flax]

Deino AI would honestly be even less complex than fish AI

Stand underwater and do nothing
When a player comes to drink, get close to it and try to eat it
Done

[limber hull]

Beipi is too agile, austro can see it coming, minmi can burrow, sucho/cherry go in shallows, bary is capable on land and water, spino is strong enough to face it, ptera can fly

[valid zephyr]

stego is currently so gimped just to make it even slightly possable to hunt with stuff like carno. the playable doesn't have a single mechanic. moving it to unofficials lets it get changed to not be free fodder to anything larger than it

[limber hull]

i just dont agree with making an 8 ton playable into nothing but an AI

i feel thats the worst of both worlds

not only do you die to a deino, but rather than making the deino playable hard to grow, deino is spawned as an adult in some random stream

[urban flax]

"Playable" is a big word when talking about deino

[valid zephyr]

every time i've suggested any aquatic in suggestions I just get 50 responses saying "deino makes it invalid"

[limber hull]

those people are dumb, you can easily do that

[urban flax]

But you'd only die to it if you deserve it because it wouldn't be as invisible, sneaky or OP as current deino (but possibly harder to kill)

[limber hull]

people are complaining cera has good swim speed as an option because "deino exists", and refuse to use water as an option ever

[valid zephyr]

meanwhile beip, an animal which probrably wasn't water related at all irl, can be made to escape deino in the water

[urban flax]

Also deino being AI would mean you can encounter it anywhere, not only in hotspots

[valid zephyr]

i guess they kinda forgot about tenonto swimming

[urban flax]

And that there's never more than one adult deino in one place

[limber hull]

deino isn't going to stay the only playable people play, in this update it got 3 massive nerfs, there's a new aquatic playable, and a ton more land options

[urban flax]

Yes but that is yet another problem
Once there is a lot of playable less and less people will play deino
Which will turn it into a "troll" playable rather than an actual danger

[limber hull]

It's still exceptionally strong

[urban flax]

People will forget about deino's existence, be snatched once every 1 000 times and get mad about it

[limber hull]

3 major nerfs and it's now on a similar level to most animals

[urban flax]

And it still won't fulfill it's role as a scary element in the game

[limber hull]

and AI reduces that even further

[urban flax]

How so ?

Deino players already play like AI, except that they all gather in the same spot and cry when they can't kill a stego

[limber hull]

because it's a dumb AI that thrashes around at nothing, fumbles hunts and dies to like, a random carno

[limber hull]

and they should be allowed to do that

[urban flax]

Last I heard omni and carno AI didn't die that easily...

People even complain about boars being too strong

[limber hull]

yea because AI omni and carno were busted

and a clear example of why deino AI would not work

they'd be even more frustrating

[urban flax]

I see the opposite
Deino would have such a simple think tree you could basically make it as OP as you want without harming the player experience

[limber hull]

AI had like, infinite stamina, never lost you, followed you from across the planet

[urban flax]

And you talk like all of those cannot be fixed

[limber hull]

i feel like you fail to realise how tough it would actually be to make a deino AI

[urban flax]

AI exists, and work just fine in other games.
Amarok just needs time to get it right in this game
The last iteration I saw of (formerly) utah AI during one of its stream behaved just fine

[limber hull]

it needs to know how to grab, drown, when to go on land and when not to, hide

[urban flax]

The problem comes when there's a lot of players on the server

[limber hull]

last i saw of omni AI it pounced every 2 seconds because it had infinite stam

[urban flax]

That's a stat problem, not an AI problem since AIs didn't have stam
But as I said, the amount of stam would change nothing for Deino AI

[limber hull]

land deino 2

[urban flax]

Deino AI wouldn't go on land

Or maybe just a few meters

[limber hull]

why

[urban flax]

Because it doesn't need to ?

[limber hull]

again i fail to see any value in a water-locked AI version of an animal you already hate

its like adding lightning strikes

the game decided you had to die

no player was involved in the death process

[urban flax]

Deino could be made into AI so it finally fulfills its role as an environmental hazard instead of an afk simulator that deletes hours of your work

[urban flax]

And that's the thing
The AI is designed so you can escape it

[limber hull]

so instead of a playable AFK simulator that deletes all your hard work, it's an AI that deletes all your hard work

[limber hull]

so how is this scarier?

[urban flax]

Like by, for example :
-Deino not being silent and invisible underwater
-Add a chance for players to get out of/avoid grab

[limber hull]

that just sounds infinitely less threatening

[urban flax]

Because right now the way to counter deino is to drink where you know there are no deinos

[limber hull]

chance-based death x2 with no player interaction involved

[urban flax]

I didn't say it was chance based

[limber hull]

with the addition of the newer animals, i've found deinos both less common and more engaging

beipis react to them, ceras hunt the little ones

[urban flax]

The point is
You could survive an encounter with a deino
But only if you are wary enough/have good reflexes/whatever requires your involvement depending on how it's done

[limber hull]

i really dont see how AI achieves all this when all of this can exist with playable deino

its not like cera will ever see any value out of its deino diet because all deinos will spawn fullgrown and be designed not to be interacted with

[urban flax]

If they can make it so deino becomes actually interesting to engage it as something in its grab range that is not semi-aquatic...

[urban flax]

Not designed to "not be interacted with"
Designed so you can survive an interaction with it

[limber hull]

if you hate deino that much, don't compromise and have it be AI, just remove the thing.

the AI provides the same experience but without any player element

[urban flax]

Also I didn't think you would bring up the argument of diets, it is ridiculous
Diets can change
And they MUST change, no matter what happens do Deino, I thought you knew that

[limber hull]

i'd be 2x more frustrated if i were killed by an AI deino

[urban flax]

I hate the fact that Deino isn't filling its role in the environment

[limber hull]

how

[urban flax]

The difference is that if it was AI, it would be your fault for dying to it

[limber hull]

then it's just a... don't drink indicator? thats it? how is it remotely scary? you know where it is, it never leaves the water, it's more of an annoyance

[urban flax]

As I already mentioned, the only interaction you can have with deino are
-Be beipi and watch them
-Be cera and hunt juvies
-Be stego and laugh at them
-Be ptera and watch them from above
-Die
More than half the roster has 0 meaningful interaction with deino, it's worse than hypsi

[limber hull]

i would literally rather deino be removed or unofficial only than AI

[urban flax]

Do you never play horror games ? Do you not understand what a "dangerous but escapable" AI is and how scary it can be ?

[limber hull]

its not even escapable

you can choose to never engage it

unlike an AI rex, it won't rush you down

it'll just be in water

[urban flax]

You can't choose to never drink

[limber hull]

i can choose to drink in the place without the super obvious deino

[urban flax]

Deino AI could, for example, manifest itself only when you start drinking

[urban flax]

Never said it would be super obvious

[urban flax]

Or swimming

[limber hull]

so its well hidden, but also you can see it and avoid it
it's a punishment for not paying attention, but you can escape it
it's ironically the least engaging thing ever for specifically aquatics
it's still unkillable as ever

[urban flax]

I didn't say all of the things I mentioned would be in at the same time either...
You're so blinded by your hate of AIs you refuse to listen to my arguments

[limber hull]

no, i just fail to see what value an AI deino has over removing the deino entirely

besides keeping the frustration

[urban flax]

Deino was initially added to induce a sentiment of fear when you go drinking
Removing deino entirely would remove that
Making it AI would keep it without having a terribly designed creature that needs awful gameplay in order to be viable

[limber hull]

people actually enjoy playing as deino, i have a friend who specifically plays for deino

[limber hull]

and it would make it not scary

[urban flax]

I think AIs can be pretty scary in horror games

But you don't even want to consider that

[limber hull]

i think AI can be quite scary in horror games too, but i would not be afraid of this AI

[urban flax]

I know they use a lot of scripts and basically cheat to apply pressure on the player most of the time, but in these games players are also supposed to follow a complex path and unover a story
Here we're just talking about something that puts a threat into the act of drinking water

[limber hull]

it's the same situation as playable deino. Find shallow water, never engage, but now with AI

there is no additional value from making it AI

same interactions, but with a more janky frame

[urban flax]

There can be small deinos in shallow water

[limber hull]

that sounds like a dynamic that allows younger player deinos to avoid adult deinos and have a more unique hunting ground

with gateway, an actually good map

[urban flax]

But does nothing to the issue of deino having terrible and non-interactive mechanics

[limber hull]

neither does AI tho

like... it's the same avoidance mindset

[urban flax]

What I'm talking about isn't just taking the exact current deino and making it AI
It's about reworking it entirely to become an AI creature designed to be AI

[limber hull]

and then everyone who likes deino loses that playable forever?

[urban flax]

I'm not suggesting stego 2.0 but reverse

[urban flax]

Yep
And that's why I never posted that in the feedback channel, I know people would hate it since I know many people like playing deino

Actually it should have been AI from the beginning so people wouldn't get used to playing it

[limber hull]

but wouldn't that just make spino the next problem animal

[urban flax]

Is spino an invisible ambusher with a lunge that you can do nothing against ?

[limber hull]

seems like that's in their plans

[urban flax]

Hmmmmmmmm yes judging a playable's abilities based on one picture on a concept art...

[limber hull]

should i ignore concept art?

[urban flax]

You should not take it as a proof of an animal's future abilities and balance
I thought you knew better than that

[limber hull]

why should i not

i really fail to see the problem

[urban flax]

Because that's not what concept art is for ?

Also that picutre may not even be an ability showcase

[limber hull]

yea, it could just be able to ambush without an ability

regardless, it ambushing from the water is planned

[urban flax]

Good luck ambushing with that size and sail

[limber hull]

like seriously, could you not put the effort of COMPLETELY redesigning deino to be an AI to just... Make it a better playable

[urban flax]

If you think there is a way to make deino actually worth engaging as a playable, I'm all ears

[limber hull]

it's not engaging as an AI either, so I'd hope they'd make some level of compromise

the concept of a gator doesn't really lend itself to organically engaging counterplay due to the fact that, as a gator, their entire hunting style revolves around limiting options

either you make it fail as a gator in the hopes of making the players less mad, or you compromise by designing an environment more suitable for counterplay and design around the concept of it. Based on what you said, it has done its job well of making people paranoid of the water, to an extremely effective extent, so the issue now rises in the fact that its environment is not well catered to its playstyle

and the fact it is a ridiculously easy to grow/sustain animal

[urban flax]

But it's not effective as a gameplay element

You criticized AI being just "don't drink there" but current deino is the exact same thing apart that you need to know the map in order to know where you can drink because there is no other way to avoid deino

[limber hull]

but then what of AI deino being stealthy

if you know where it is and when to avoid it, you just avoid it

[urban flax]

If they made the water randomly toxic in some places it wouldn't be different

[urban flax]

Exactly
if you know where it is and when to avoid it

Things can be visible but hard to notice

[limber hull]

okay so it's either
A: The water is toxic and you don't know
B: The water is toxic but it's dyed purple, so now you know it's toxic, but why even have that mechanic if all it does is just mildly restrict what water you can/can't drink from

why not just... not have the toxic water

at least in option A, toxic water is a threat

in option B, you see toxic water, you avoid toxic water

[urban flax]

In option B it's not the equivalent of water being toxic since once you've started drinking, there's things you can do in order not to die

[limber hull]

so option B is the water is toxic, dyed purple, but you can also drink from it before the toxicity becomes a factor

so like, why have it be toxic

[urban flax]

Not "dyed purple" either
Since you know, as I already said, things can be visible but hard to notice

[limber hull]

it's an 8 ton gator

it's either visible, or it's not

[urban flax]

Or, like people suggested many times
Have deino slightly disturb the water when it's moving underwater
Have it make a sound right before it lunges
These are just examples

[limber hull]

you could do that to a playable

[urban flax]

And that wouldn't ruin deino's viability in your opinion, if prey can detect it before it lunges ?
Because it does in many people who enjoy playing deino's opinion

[limber hull]

Could add it that you hold RMB, which charges up the lunge, boosting you forward based on charge, and creating a small bubble effect in the water before it lunges. Playable deino without zero counterplay

you know how pressing Q makes that tiny little ripple effect

[urban flax]

Now that is an interesting take
You should have said this from the beginning instead of that "AI can't be scary" bs

People would still hate for not being able to lunge properly tho

[limber hull]

make the lunge go really damn fast if charged

[urban flax]

It wouldn't fix deinos running up on land and lunging at point blank either tho

[limber hull]

nah that's dead as hell

can't sprint while holding onto something post-6.5

(also, i'd have a charge bite on land)

charged lunge and charged bite

[urban flax]

So no more lunge on land ?

[limber hull]

Charged bite with hefty-ass damage instead

And a loud noise like cerato's

Give it that "deino bite force" without making it an LMB spammer

[lucid mauve]

Charged bite is so funny,if you mean like pot. Its so darn essy to avoid and making sound aswell. When you gonna use it? I get cera cus its fast,but on deino thats so slow

[limber hull]

Keeping apexes back

[lucid mauve]

Why should deino keep apex away? On land?

[limber hull]

Here's my proposal:
RMB = charged bite/charged lunge

While underwater:
Holding RMB charges up the damage and speed of the lunge. While charging, the deino will emit small "ripples" like how it does when using advanced water sense. Must be charged for at least 1 second before you can use it, maximum damage achieved after 3 seconds of charging. Once released, deino will dart forward, dealing 500-1000 damage and grabbing onto the prey item (if they are light enough)

While on land:
Holding RMB charges up the damage of the charge bite. While charging, the deino will hiss and open its mouth wide. If released early, will do 500 damage, but if charged for up to 2 seconds, will do up to 1000 damage and fractures. No minimum charge required. Does not grab.

[lucid mauve]

Its not a dumb idea, my only concern is that. Wouldt that be hell for sucho,bary, beipi etc?

[limber hull]

sucho is in shallows, it can easily outpace the deino in said shallows, it's fine, beipi is more than agile enough to see that coming and evade, bary can easily bolt onto land

hell, if it's that much an issue, the hissing from the charged lunge would be audible underwater, like with beipi's calls

you'd have your ambush intact, but you'd also have more skill expression involved and it'd be a subtle bubbling queue you could mistake for fish

also would provide deino with more tools to face off against big scary apexes

[mint forge]

which is what happen in real life. an exhausted herbivore end up letting itself die to its predators because it doesn't have the strenght to fight back

[urban flax]

Yes but this is a game

Also I don't think any animal irl is unable to regain a bit of endurance when standing still

Except sharks maybe

[mint forge]

yeah, but they should at least nerf its attack rate, it's too damn fast. the windows is so short you almost have to risk taking the first hit if you want to land an attack

[mint forge]

also let's not forget we're talking about a 6~8 tones animal

[limber hull]

thats why you bait it to attack certain directions then use the opening

[urban flax]

Stego is supposed to be able to defend itself from threats
And most of the time said threats consist of 5+ animals

[limber hull]

so elephants can't restore stamina while standing still?

[urban flax]

So what ?

[mint forge]

elephant are just built different

[urban flax]

That is an extremely weak argument

[limber hull]

by that logic, stegos are also built different

stamina regen for stegos

[mint forge]

yerr

[limber hull]

okay well we've come to an agreement

stego should be allowed to regen stam while standing

[mint forge]

yeah, but that attackrate should be nerfed

[rare fractal]

Why xD

Why does stego even need a nerf

[mint forge]

too damn fast, even when u managed to land a pounce

[rare fractal]

It's not

[limber hull]

its really not that fast

i was in a combat test against stego as omni specifically

it's not that big a deal

[mint forge]

maybe it was bc the server had lag, but I found myself waiting for the stego to try a tailswipe to eject just to get myself impaled in mid air by a second one

[rare fractal]

Good

There's nothing wrong with stego being able to do that regardless

Stego is literally the only animal capable of performing that

[mint forge]

stego are litteraly the apexes rn

[rare fractal]

Well no deinos are

Demonstrably, but if they were what's the issue with that?

[limber hull]

herbivores are not allowed to be stronger than carnivores

[rare fractal]

Or have any aspect of their kit be capable of speed

[limber hull]

cera being slower than a herbivore makes it entirely unviable make it 2000kg, 250 bite force and fractures to compensate

[lucid mauve]

Yea , as they should. Dont know why stego needs a nerf.

[cyan flame]

This would maybe work if it also applied to carnis, so I guess if you're fine with everything else also having to regain stam by sitting it might work, especially if you make it far faster for the slower target compared to the faster, so the defender still has a clear advantage. But I'd like to see far more failed carni hunts due to just being out of stam, so we can start there, see how it works and feels, then consider doing the same for the herbis possibly.

[unreal inlet]

You don't have to fight a Stego if you can't, there are enough other enemies. Of course, if nothing else is nearby then that's bad luck.

Well, I don't mind if you increase the water pressure a bit, but your reason is more personal because some players do body camp with you. And that's allowed. So that's what you want to achieve.
I think it's the wrong way because then everyone could start with it.

Carnos, do bodycamp and I as little Carno/Omni can't do anything please make sure they need more water.

Deinos always steal the corpses from the country and I can't do anything about it...etc.

[shell plume]

well its different when ur a fresh spawn but when ur an adult carno u still cant do anything against it. yes other dinos do bodycamp but they usually not an issue if u big enough my point is that stego is too big for any land dino to deal with atm. therefore by buffing their water drain it makes it so they cant just camp a body for 10 20 minutes because theyre bored and have nothing else to do

deinos taking bodies is simple to deal with

just move the body further

because they will start to die of dehydration

[unreal inlet]

You can do just as much damage to the Stego, it just takes longer and is even more risky. And most of the time you are not alone.

[tribal canyon]

Anyone

[shell plume]

ur right u can damage a stego but it has 6000 hp compared to where a carno has 1800 and dies in 1 shot to the head and 2 to the body

a carno bite on a stego head i think does somewhere around 5-10%

which in comparison means stego can take many headshots where carno would die

im not saying to nerf stegos damage or health but to simply make it so its water drains quicker that way they actually have to move around instead of spending 30 minutes sat on a fresh spawn omni corpse

[unreal inlet]

Yes, as an Omni, it takes me much, much longer to kill a Carno... the same argument.

Then I just look for another goal or just friends / accomplices who help.
Instead of waiting 20 minutes.
Or try to lure him to bait etc. and then quickly steal the corpse and run away.

I don't mind increasing the water a bit, but I think the reason for this is wrong - you can easily do this with any higher animal.

And if you raise it then not like Teno or Deino, just because it's a bigger animal it needs more water. See as an example an elephant or camel which can also hold water for a very long time.

[shell plume]

luring to bait often doesnt work because most corpses have to be dragged away which gives the stego an oppurtunity to swing u

[unreal inlet]

Hmm, that depends on the situation. I've seen, before, carnos quickly grab the bodies and run away with them. But then Stego was more distracted by other players.

But that's just bad luck if there's nothing else around or no other player. Then you don't have to look so far down to come up with the food.

i love translator google..

When I translate the text back to German, something completely different comes out of it

Well, I think we can only wait and see if and when something changes or one of the suggestions is adopted.
I wish you a nice weekend.

[limber hull]

@scenic oriole bones give cera diets

chuff also gives cera a defence buff

[scenic oriole]

I meant like actually having be on the diet screen

[limber hull]

ah okay

[scenic oriole]

Cause while it gives them diets it's not on the screen

[limber hull]

cera doesn't need a bleed res buff too much, its got nuts bleed res, but it did get a defence buff with chuff

[scenic oriole]

I didn't think of something how crazy def and bleed res but definitely one that will actually give Carnos in a 1v1 situation the Cerato wouldn't get destroyed. From what I've seen from content creators cerato's in a 1v1 or 2v1 get bodied

[normal lotus]

@restive grove I mean we lnow

It's thousands of people trying to log online

[restive grove]

hey, im just doing my part

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[winged bison]

The ping isn't bad because of anything the devs did. It's everyone logging in at once.

[restive grove]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

Ye it's a traffic issue, not a code issue

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/scotty-startrek-im-giving-her-all-shes-got-gif-13396526

@tough crow I believe the issue on inaccurate server list is just that one bug that just won't die

And as for the queue idk on that one

@zinc canopy having more servers would really worsen the issue as it would occur on those servers too

[zinc canopy]

No, it would cut down the lag because everyone would spread out if more servers would be added

[normal lotus]

But it would put a strain on the main server itself. Causing issues too

[zinc canopy]

What main server??

[normal lotus]

My brain might not be working but iirc isn't there a main server that keeps the other ones running? But anyway. The ST is now fully stressing the server limits with people trying to play

[zinc canopy]

I'm pretty sure there isn't

[normal lotus]

They're also stressing server limits

[tame raptor]

they didnt hear me out 😔

@gritty lance on GOD how is it unrealistic? do they know what the dinosaurs looked like???

[gritty lance]

no im not saying it is, thats the only stupid reasoning ive seen people had for why its ok the skin colours were removed

@icy lion my feedback wasnt an insult? unless me calling the smoothbrains who think brightly coloured animals are unrealistic.

but anyways i edited it so i wouldnt offend said smoothbrains, is it good enough or still need me to change it? there is nothing bad in there now

[main cloak]

y all i need help

[blissful latch]

@vernal nova If no one helped you, you can go into settings and change to the old style 🙂

[vernal nova]

Do you mean the manual Alt attack settings? I mean the Alt bite costing stam and doable during running, but thank you for your input 🙂

[blissful latch]

Ohhhh!

my bad

[unique plover]

Anyone know what I should do when I try to play the test branch and it says “DX12 is not supported on your system. Try running without the -dx12 or -d3d12 command line”

[frank osprey]

We’ve all been content deprived for nearly a year and now here we all are playing server queue simulator for test branch

[normal lotus]

Hence why I may just play tomorrow.

[fierce lintel]

literally xD

[grizzled vector]

Does anyone else’s computer get like really really hot

[rocky bobcat]

only when i use it for cooking

[grizzled vector]

What’s a good temp my gpu should be if I wanted to fry an egg?

[rocky bobcat]

bout 2 fiddy

[barren zephyr]

Why does the stress test code not show up on the beta list when I enter it?

[icy lion]

What are you entering?

[barren zephyr]

passwordpassword

[icy lion]

After you enter that, click the dropdown and select horde-testing

[barren zephyr]

That doesn’t show up strangely enough

[latent olive]

@lucid robin my brother thats been a thing since like update 3

[marsh juniper]

"the concept art"

[lucid robin]

. . .

[latent olive]

deino regains water while in the water

unless you mean when deino isnt technically swimming but is still in water

[lucid robin]

im smart

[faint tapir]

Please someone correct me if I am wrong regarding my quick-fix to the Que vs Spam-to-join issue I posted.
It’s a simple workaround to one of this game’s most annoying issues. Thanks!

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr That's the point of a stress test

[barren zephyr]

What is?

[urban flax]

To be laggy
They're testing the servers' limits

[barren zephyr]

Wouldn't they be way over pushing the servers limits, judging by people's reactions? Or am I missing the point. Just don't really see the point in allowing a stress test if its hardly even playable and we can't test anything.

[urban flax]

You're testing how laggy the servers are
And that's why they made it public, so thousands of people would try joining at the same time and push the servers at their limits

[barren zephyr]

I see, thank you

[random drift]

Now not even Normal Evrima works. I hoped back to normal Evrima , screen freezes at Dino Selection

Also i just tried to refresh server list , crashed to Dekstop. GG's

[narrow nova]

@limber hull Why do you give every suggestion an ❌

[limber hull]

i dont

[narrow nova]

You almost

[limber hull]

you see whatever you wanna see, i guess

but i pretty much give votes 50/50 dependent on if they're good

[bright abyss]

I think someone mentioned that the files get mixed up and get corrupted or something.

[limber hull]

health and bleed recovery near a carcass are useless in a fight

only useful after a fight

[narrow nova]

So you think the T Rex should have taken six or seven bites to kill Ceratosaurus near body？

[limber hull]

thats a ridiculous sentiment so i'm not even going to humour that

thats not happening

unless rex has a pathetically low biteforce for some strange reason

at most, it'd take 3 bites

[narrow nova]

Yeah, I didn't make that clear. I'll go back and fix my suggestion

[limber hull]

damage resist or not, its still a 1300kg animal

[narrow nova]

But 80% is too high.Although I think it will be adjusted later

Stego tall only does 240 dmg

[limber hull]

its not 80%?

i'm certain the max was 50%

[narrow nova]

I'm not going to argue about the numbers.
But this is still an unrealistic magic ability.Why can creature gain damage resistance just by being near a corpse?

[last lily]

https://youtu.be/gA9xX6i2TDc?t=22

Maybe it came from this video? I'm not saying their numbers are right, but just a hypothesis on where the 80% idea could have come from

[limber hull]

i dont know if those numbers are completely accurate

[narrow nova]

It doesn't matter, I just think the buff is too crude, unreal, and no cost.
Maybe we can have a better way

[jagged willow]

so in the announcement it says new patch is out is that just for st

[outer sphinx]

Adrenaline affects pain tolerance

[narrow nova]

Yeah, but can't save you with a stego tail through head right？

[lucid mauve]

No, but they will use adrenaline on everything. If stego got a 360 spin, they would say "adrenaline". But in the future they will prob add some dinos that push a button and your pack gets a damage reduction for what we know lol

[outer sphinx]

Chicken can run without their heads, for monsters made by a pharmaceutical company with advanced technology? Not that far fetched tbh

[narrow nova]

[kindred flame]

i think stego should have attack delay by 0.5 seconds, it's brain is size of a pinnut

I mean, tehre is like nothing to counter a stego exept another stego

[cyan flame]

Im not sure that relates to attack speed or something, pretty sure there's animals that aren't that well developed on that front that still has really fast striking speeds and so on. In any case, it's a game. Also deinos, omnis, and probably ceratos, possibly even tenos can fight stegos. On top of that, it stands to somewhat reason, considering it's "counterpart" deino is in the same situation, that only something of it's own power reliably counters it.

Also keep in mind the only quick attack angle is very specific, all other attacks are quite slow and leave the stego more or less vunerable. And the quick jab angle is not that hard to figure out and adjust to.

[kindred flame]

teno can be just 1 or 2 shot by stego, cera teh same, carno is just getting traded off (exept it's avarage carno) omnis maybe by bleed but a stego can just hid between trees

plus deino has less hp and damage than stego, or stego has more hp than deino, i saw a lot of stegos solos deino.

[cyan flame]

Well, same applies to the deino, so not sure I see an issue there. Deino can oneshot all of them, and just goes into water if it somehow doesn't like what it is up against. So if the issue is that nothing counters a stego bar another stego, then that's fine since deino works the same way.

[cyan flame]

Deino has 8K health and blood, stego has 6K. Deino also has bleed resist, stego does not.

[kindred flame]

then deino (being heavier than stego) should be able to drag stegos

[cyan flame]

It's "only" 2K heavier, it'd have to be twice the weight of stego to lunge it, if thats what you mean, which would mean a 12K deino, which would literally make it immortal to anything but another deino.

[kindred flame]

and that's the problem that stegos are just a bit weaker rex for the moment, without any counter part.

if it was a meat eater, we would only feel dying twice in hell

[cyan flame]

?

[kindred flame]

?

[cyan flame]

Not sure what you meant there? If it was a carni, then would that be better or worse?

[kindred flame]

Don't hear me wrong, but stegos need either a nerf or counter part

[kindred flame]

worse, it can already target everyting as sub adult

the faster water and food drain would be a sollution so close, yet so far from perfection.

[cyan flame]

Well, it does have a "counterpart" in deino, it just so happens that deino is not really good at hunting or fighting things it cant lunge and drown. But overall, those two are very similar, and shares a lot of the same balance "issues", more so on the deino than stego overall but still.

[kindred flame]

deino and stego shouldnt be in game in teh first place, more like they should add first sucho and diablo or kentro.

[cyan flame]

Agreed, it wasn't an ideal decision, looking back on it, hopefully when kentro is ready stego can go to unofficials like rex and trike, and maybe bary or something can replace deino

[unreal inlet]

It's always funny when you don't manage to kill an opponent, you want him to get a disadvantage or be weakened. Then just fight against something else / easier or try it in a team or over time.

As an Omni player, you could sing a song about anyone who feels stronger.

[lapis swallow]

Bro really watched the pesky video and took the joke seriously💀

[chrome adder]

Carno hitbox too small ... could be a few more meters 🧢

[kindred flame]

Is it personal? Beucos i don't know wat video are you talking about, you probably main stego and are afraid of getting it nerfed, tere is someting wrong with you if you talk about someting you don't understand wich is also called "give your 3 cents" to something which here is discussion about stego balance, looks like you are terrible feedbacker and you probably feel offended and you should beucos you are one of main reasons why this game needs something more than jokes about pesky's jokes. Yes it may seem like i'm overreactive, but it's you picking over a serious balance discussion in proper channel. Go leave feedback for them to make a room for people like you-drama queens.

[sterile pivot]

Stego is a walking meat bag, it needs to be able to defend itself well. Nerfing its swing by a delay of 0.5 seconds gurantees that raptors, troodons, or even ceras if they are good enough can bait an attack then go in for a guranteed bite/pounce thanks to the extra 0.5 seconds of safety.

[lapis swallow]

The second sentence of me being a stego main was genuinly funny (I am not a stego main). Also, I did not want to offend you. It was just funny to me because there was a joke in one of peskys recent videos (I believe it was the galli one) where it was like: "Lets have a 3 second reaction delay for stego cause it is dumb, lol". I just pointed this out because it was funny to me. I also would have disliked your suggestion otherwise without a comment, but the similarity to this joke just made type this because of the funnys.

[faint folio]

I think stego doesn't need to be nerfed that hard. A delay of 0.5 seconds means a stego couldn't defend against ANYTHING faster than a rex. And I mostly play carnivores-- Utah is my favorite, followed by deino and carno.

The thing is, stego is slow enough to move that if you don't want that smoke, they are easy to avoid. I've never been killed as a Utah or carno by a stego unless I picked that fight. And as a deino, walking away from the water far enough that a stego can run up on you is a major skill issue

[kindred flame]

If so, i am sorry if i talked to a wrong persone. especially in the isle tere is plenty of people starting off from sentence like tis just beucos they find te suggestion dumb. I have lived here for a while.

[lapis swallow]

no worries

[kindred flame]

the never ending problem about stego and deino is tat tey both need balance, but it's hard beucos of teir gamestyle and ta tey were so early in game.

[sterile pivot]

I was not a stego main either back when I played, but I have always been a player with a deathwish for the sake of learning, and one of those learning opportunties was toying with the pointy parts of a stego as a carno and as a utah. Carno and utah can even sometimes do well against current stego, especially if ping/lag/hitboxes arent bad. But with any sort of nerf to delay swing time, it is immensely bad for the stego. Either stego can defend itself insanely well against mid tiers/small tiers, or it becomes a free meal with delay time changes. Perhaps, at least in my opinion, stego should do reduced dmg/slower hit speed in water, or deino should do increased damage to wet targets(Kind of like sucho in POT).

[faint folio]

That's true. But, I don't think nerfing stego is the way to go. Adding more powerful competition would be the ideal solution. As it is, stego's kind of function as a stupidity test... You will not get killed by a stego if you just leave them alone

[kindred flame]

If stegos are not meant to be hunt by anything, then why are in the game? Just a walking bunker that only hunger can kill.

[cyan flame]

They were originally meant to be AI, I believe. But well, that didn't work out, but it was otherwise "ready" so well, make it playable. Also if you're looking for a stego main, that'd be me, it's my favourite critter in the game! :D

[faint folio]

That's a dev question. I suspect they were added as a kind of counterpart to deino because otherwise deino would be absolutely uncontested. Really, I think both are OP with the current roster. It was a bad decision to add them

[kindred flame]

deinos are bulying everything near the water, and stegos scare off everything on land, where's te logic devs?

[faint folio]

A skilled Utah pack can kill a stego, but most randomly created groups aren't that coordinated

[kindred flame]

Different would be if every dino was a threat in it's own way, like cera by draining hunger, uta by bleeding,carno... by being broken, and croc by lunge attack. But noone of tese work out (exept carno CUS YEAH TEH ISLE MOMENT)

And if talking about coordination it is really te main factory in the game, not everyone can ave their freinds play with em

[cyan flame]

Problem would be that there aren't really anything in the game meant to be a threat to a stego, and this is most likely also the reason we're only going to see trike and rex on unofficials, since they won't be balanced for the roster (they'll be apexes proper, which would imply nothing else can threaten them aside from each other). So either you'd have to severely nerf stego, which may be questionable, or buff the others, which is even more questionable, only for all of them to still run into problem when we get the apexes in.

[kindred flame]

the isle legacy had no problems wit apexes, a juvie utah could kill a grown a$$ rex beucos of lack of any mechanic which caused a$$ riding. Evrima is more realistic, and with that being said te map would need to be bigger and much more interesting for everyspecie, like rex would prefer grasslands with small forests etc. And that beucos rex would ave advantage in open fields with trees to ambush from, and the prey (that would be fight 50/50 wit rex like trike) having most of it's diet on the rex therritory, so taht every playable get's he's own set of gameplay mixed with other playables gamestyles.

Maybe in another 100 years :>

[proud echo]

I dont play this game because of high ms ,
when will you fix it , We are looking forward ,
As a suggestion, Do the server capacity 125 to 100 because 125 so lagy.

[fluid sable]

I can't seem to find any info on the deino sound bug. Seems like EVERY meal i eat after a kill will give me the bug. Is there any solution or fix for this?

[lapis swallow]

@copper condor

[stray spruce]

I sent a bug report 3-4 days ago, I think you should do it too. I couldn't find any fix besides logging out and back in to server.

[fluid sable]

How did you do it bc I tried reporting on game and it sent me here

[stray spruce]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[spiral nacelle]

Rid of the underwater night vision that is currently set up in the stress test for the beipi. Make it like the current underwater vision in the main evrima servers.

[lucid mauve]

But they are? Or you mean beipi should be threat to deino etc?

[azure ruin]

Please a different type of night vision for underwater!
For people with epilepsy, like myself, its really difficult to play with it enabled 😦

[lucid mauve]

You should add that to the feedback channel

[azure ruin]

Oh gosh I thought I was in it - my bad!

[lucid mauve]

I saw you added,nice: )

[azure ruin]

🫶

[queen ember]

@somber python The ping is only bad because 8,000,000 are trying to cram into servers at once

[somber python]

i understand that :>

[barren zephyr]

@lucid robin pretty sure they're gonna release it sooner than you can fix that problem, so dont worry

[lucid robin]

good point, the update is almost no doubt coming this week. still, it would be cool to make it to the stress test

[kindred flame]

no tey are not, exept utah. Everything else is just a routine fighting for stego

[lucid mauve]

yea good, as it should

[barren zephyr]

Nah, the stress test takes waaay too long to get into and when you finally do, you regret everything because of the ping

Trust me, if you cant get it now, be glad you didnt spoil yourself

[gritty nacelle]

Just popped into here to check if it was only me rubberbanding like heck and it seems like it isn’t :’> glad it’s not just a me problem at least

[barren zephyr]

The waterfall sound bug is because you ate food near the edge of the river. Until the bug is fixed, don’t eat bodies at the edge of the rivers. Restarting your game can fix the bug.

[steel field]

@summer thistle they could make a 2 minute unskipable video play the moment you boot up the test branch explaining it all and people would still get mad, but i suppose something like your suggestion is better than nothing

[tame depot]

@unreal ridge you can make a bug report about your post in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞, it’ll be much more helpful there

[unreal ridge]

its not really a bug just a spelling mistake, a bug would be some glitch or that makes the game work not how it was intended

[stray spruce]

I wonder how much devs value these feedbacks and take into consideration.

[amber sail]

none, they have not fixed any of the bugs for years. the flying fish, deino waterfall sound glitch, deino eating glitch and so on the hit boxes are terrible

[amber sail]

can't even fix a flying fish glitch? its been years come on

[stray spruce]

Yes... everytime i see those flying fishes it makes me worry about the future of the game. I think they should stop focusing on humans and human structures for a while until most of the bugs are fixed and the game is optimized better for performance. I hate to see unnecessary human structures every devblog while there are dozens of issues about the game.

[urban flax]

You belive the guy who makes human structures is the same guy who fixes bugs ?

[stray spruce]

Nah, it just makes me think that the priorization of development isn't done accordingly at all.

[desert arch]

But the bugs mentioned above are fixed. They didnt release a hotfix for them because they were doing an engine swap.

[stray spruce]

Nice! Good news then

[urban flax]

I don't think what human structures have to do with bugs tho
The dev who works on humans works on humans
The dev who fixes bugs fixes bugs
Everyone is doing their own job

[stray spruce]

Yes I know. I said so because it only creates a bad impression for me even though environment design and bugs have nothing related, I know it doesn't sounds right 😄
Do you know why game is progressing slow? I see many people complain about the interval between the updates.

[urban flax]

The game is slow because the dev steam is small, but they have very high standards
They're trying to do a kind of game with no predecessor, so they can't base themselves on existing systems for most of their mechanics and code
Regarding this update, they had to switch to UE5 midway through, which takes a lot of time

[lucid robin]

i got it. u were right, the ping was ungodly, but i got to make some cerato, troodon, and beipi skins :D

[amber sail]

done with this game. the mix packing crap and grifers is out of control. cant have 1 good game without mix packers killing everything in sight just to be dicks or speed hackers.. the devs are just as crap as the game is F this game uninstalled and wont be reinstalling

[unreal inlet]

idk, look on unoffcial servers

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-my-sincerest-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-gif-25853013

[vapid minnow]

even with the epilepsy friendly mode? bc I edited my suggestion to add it to the mode (bc i didnt know it already existed, and also dont know if putting it on the mode changes it bc I can't get into a server to test)

[azure ruin]

I didn't even know there is one! Let me see if it changes anything for me and I'll let you know!

[vapid minnow]

its in the gameplay menu and not the graphics menu like I thought it would be XD

[azure ruin]

Gosh yes I totally missed it then! XD

[vapid minnow]

I was looking for it like what where is this but someone finally told me instead of just "its in settings" no DUH

[vapid minnow]

lmk if it changes anything

[azure ruin]

Its an improvement for sure 😄

[glass glen]

At this point if the testing servers are unplayable then I bet most of the community would prefer that you release the test into official

God game is not fun to even test at ping 253

[stray spruce]

A good suggestion imo
#general-feedback message

[normal lotus]

Dude. They're fixing it in 6.5

[normal lotus]

But then people would believe that the update is out. And we would have update 4, 2: electric Boogaloo.

[stray spruce]

dude. nice

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr you can get organs from all juvis, which provide ample nutrients

[kindred flame]

should- be in unnoficials aswell te deino, they are not balanced.

[tidal plume]

Sprint head lock is the dumbest suggestion ever. How much do you need to be coddled into getting kills istg

#general-feedback message

Seriously, this is entirely unnecessary

[limber hull]

i mean

sprint is quite literally unpunished

and yea, running in a straight line while looking 180 degrees behind you is kinda ridiculous

[tidal plume]

Why exactly does sprinting need to be punished on anything but maybe galli

[limber hull]

you wouldnt need to make it a super restrictive view, like you could easily have a 270 degree view angle, its just being able to see a full 360 degrees thats weird

[tidal plume]

There is a stupid tone of unrealistic occurrences happening within the game. An animal looking behind them while running isn't really far fetched

[tidal plume]

That doesn't answer my question

Why does sprinting need to be punished

[limber hull]

because it'd make engagements more interesting and dynamic

[tidal plume]

How does me not being able to see whats behind me while im running make things more dynamic. It sounds like it would do the opposite and just make things inconvenient for the sake of it

[jovial hazel]

But it would completely destroy the way the movement works and how the game is played right now. What would happen when holding S? You just run in circles?

[tidal plume]

This is literally the same issue with the eating head lock. It's just inconvenience for the sake of coddling the player

[limber hull]

eating head lock i find makes eating more engaging and an actual risk/dynamic rather than just busywork without risk

[jovial hazel]

I can see the eating lock and appreciate the reasoning. But that one I feel like completely changes the best part of Evrima, the movement.

[tidal plume]

Eating was already a risk before. Im tired of seeing this same reason being thrown around. The eating head lock can be worked around anyways so its not like it creates much risk, it's just inconvenient

[limber hull]

i like how "there being a workaround" is an argument as if that isn't an unintentional element

[tidal plume]

Why does it matter if its unintentional. It's still there which makes the head lock useless and until they decided to put a headlock on eating meat chunks, it probably aint gonna change

[limber hull]

okay?

so you want there to be a head lock on eating chunks

[tidal plume]

no

i dont want any headlock

It's stupid and only serves to coddle ambushers

[limber hull]

i mean, its not like we have many ambushers, besides the worst ambusher ever designed, carno, and the ambusher that can't actually kill confirm anything bigger than it

deino ambushes with or without headlock

god i wish carno was designed as a pursuit hunter and not a hodgepodge of a botched ambusher

[jovial hazel]

Honestly I could get on board with a view lock in theory. It would help balance a lot of things and make some seemingly useless upcoming dinos maybe more useful.

I just worry about the implementation.

You would almost need to change the movement to a typical fps WASD

The way it works now just wouldn't work

[gleaming silo]

@barren zephyr The isle wont be a horror game if you will know the map as a newbie by only looking at the map. The isle is a horror game because you dont know where you are and may get lost in the forest. Its more interesting to explore wihtout a map

[barren zephyr]

@zealous pewter just because its a survival game if your trying to meet up with friends and they do not know what your talking about they will just get off the game and go play something else

[gleaming silo]

you pinged a wrong person

[limber hull]

lmao

[gleaming silo]

but thats why its a horror game, if you get lost you will have to find a way out by yourself or else you will be killed or die out of starvation/dehytration

it doesnt fit a game like the isle

but it will be a nice idea to have maps for humans, not instantly in their inventory like flashlight, but you will be able to find one in buildings, idk

[sleek eagle]

@crimson vine I really do agree with this idea, especially after playing bob for so long, I just wonder if this may tank performance even more? The server would have to keep up with everyone's different save slots, which might be a bit overloading

Though how isle dinos are saved are quite simple I would imagine, it might actually affect barely anything

but also I believe in the past the devs have strictly said this would never be a thing

[crimson vine]

I have no idea how difficult it would be, but its something i think would be very beneficial to the players. A lot of games have this feature so its very popular. Its just annoying having to have alt accounts in order to play the same dino on 1 server. Rn its not a problem as there's like no good unofficial servers but i think from update 6.5 some might begin to pop up now that the game is taking more shape

[full pewter]

@wind forge do you mean the manual alt bite setting?

[wind forge]

#general-feedback message

Yes

@full pewter it makes it like the old way

[full pewter]

What I meant in my post is how speed now determines if you can use an alt bite. You can’t use alt bite when running anymore. Like yes the actual keys are the same if you turn off manual alt bite, but now we have to keep track of speed so we can successfully execute an alt bite. Which I think is unecessary, unfun, and raises the skill sealing for combat.

[wind forge]

I see I guess I didn’t notice that! I played bepi and galli so I wasn’t doing to much fighting. Also when I tried the new teno I mostly tail slammed while I stood still. Hmmm I don’t like that change. Can carno do it’s stop alt bite attack still or no?

[faint folio]

@rigid fiber that's exactly what the devs want, actually. It's a stress test. The goal is to subject the servers to the worst possible abuse and overuse they will ever experience. Then watch the performance, and take notes on how to improve and optimize the experience. However, to do that, they have to get the servers full and spam them with join requests. The end result will be a smoother play experience on the actual release

And hopefully if there's any nasty bugs that cause crashes, freezes, etc then they catch those in the stress test

[stuck rock]

@faint folio was just about to say that too

[faint folio]

Thanks! I know it's a horrific experience with the lag and rubber banding, but there's a method to the madness

[analog ingot]

More flora like these would be cool to see on future maps.

[icy lion]

@steep creek Omnis, troodons, and beipis will all fight back when pinned, unless you get the drop on them from behind

[sly badger]

@carmine cliff omnivores are in the process of being added, and group sizes differ between dinos. apexes and canni carnivores have lower group sizes.

[carmine cliff]

ooouhhhhhhhh

[sly badger]

what dino were you playing that had low group size?

[carmine cliff]

the carno lmao we ran into agroup and wanted to hunt but we kept losing eachother

but what you said makes sense

[sly badger]

carno is 3 per group bc they are cannibals, deino is 2 per group bc they are apexes and also cannibals, stego is 5, teno is 8. etc.

[carmine cliff]

ooo ngl i thought all were 3

[sly badger]

nope

dryo is 10 i think, raptor is 8

[lucid robin]

suggestion that i have yet to post because of the 4 hour cooldown i have rn:

Change the "Connect" button to "Join Queue". Then make it so you always join a server's queue rather than first trying to connect and joining a queue after. If the server is not full, you'll just end up connecting like normal, but if it is full and the number isn't 100/100, the queue should still work.

[faint folio]

Everyone pretty much said what I wanted to say already. But, it's important to add that the group limits are intentional for balance. More dangerous/powerful dinos have smaller groups. It hinders communication for numbers that are excessively powerful, especially for cannibal species (imagine being a solo carno that encounters a mega pack of 7? You have the same stats so you can't outrun or outfight. But, not having name tags can confuse the pack of 7. Maybe they friendly fire, maybe they can't keep track of where everyone is easily.) It helps limit server wiping combinations

Also if you like being more social, check out the Utah's. They can group up to 8, and they rely on teamwork to hunt. Tenos and pachys are good, 8 person group options for herbivores. And galli and beipi are the first omnivores being added in the next update (not sure about their group sizes though)

[barren zephyr]

@lucid robin I agree with your suggestion. However, telling the devs its unacceptable is most certainly not what they want to hear #general-feedback message

Although I kind of agree that it's unacceptable, I'm not a programmer and have no clue how hard that is to fix. I'm only saying this because little things like that can make the devs think you're trying to tell them what to do.

[minor dew]

just had a thought, im pretty sure the stress test servers are running very badly in terms of rubberbanding and lag etc because the servers dont say the correct player count so they constantly have 125 people in the server and like 400 trying to join because of the incorrect player count. i think that really needs to be sorted

[little cove]

@steep creek you were receiving damage because the Troodon was fighting back while you pounced on it, same happens if you pounce a omni, that was added in update 6

[uncut rune]

Did anyone find a way to fix the rubberbanding?

[night anchor]

Has anyone else run into this?

[rocky shoal]

I don't think this is the right channel for that /nm

[gentle flint]

@rocky shoal I’m pretty sure it’s 18+ because there’s NDAs and stuff that need to be signed which aren’t good legally if you aren’t 18, but I could be wrong

[rocky shoal]

That's for QA, not ST

Iirc at least

[icy lion]

Try updating your gpu drivers

[gentle flint]

Fair enough, I couldn’t remember who needed it

[limber hull]

they arent cannibals anymore

[sly badger]

update isnt out yet so right NOW yes they are

[limber hull]

i mean

you can play the update right now

also its got a group size of 3 even while not a cannibal

[runic steppe]

💀

[neon crystal]

[lucid robin]

does ceratosaur chuff only as an adult?

[limber hull]

no

all ages

[sly badger]

the stress test isn’t the official released update and also 👍

[neon crystal]

[stuck cradle]

For the stress test my fps and pig are at good numbers usually but the game will just to me like crazy or just throw me under water randomly.

[urban flax]

SO MY DREAM CAME TRUE !

It was premonitory

[graceful raven]

@rocky shoal the game is 18+ though so outing yourself as a 16 year old is dumb and shows exactly why its 18+

[outer sphinx]

Is this new with the latest ST build?

[frozen heron]

@sweet mason Alt biting was never mandatory. Settings>Gameplay>Turn on manual alt.

[sweet mason]

oh alright thx, just confused me.

[limber hull]

@warm breach they literally cannot do that

That would make every single main server as unplayable as the test server

[urban flax]

Not to mention current game is on UE4 and new dinos were made with UE5

But we're getting technical here

[agile roost]

@buoyant berry if you mean by hovering, almost all birds cannot hover

the only bird that can hover is the humming bird

[buoyant berry]

i know and ptera isn't a bird so :p

[graceful raven]

it physically wouldn’t be able to do that though

[limber hull]

45kg pteranodon isn't going to be hovering

[buoyant berry]

and stego shouldn't be able to 7 hit a deino but this is a videogame right? I am suggesting a buff for ptera

[limber hull]

especially not with the way its body is structured

[limber hull]

a stego should be able to one-hit a deino, realistically, and ptera really doesn't need buffs

[graceful raven]

yes it could lmao look at those tail spikes

[limber hull]

you put the thagomizer through the head of the deino and you have one big dead croc

[graceful raven]

fr

[broken dock]

Its a video game its supposed to be fun

having better air movement wouldn't break the game lol

[limber hull]

it'd look really bad though

like a hovering ptera isn't going to look good

pteras are hefty and built as glider animals

[broken dock]

path of titans have that kind of thing going on and it looks alright in my opinion

[buoyant berry]

true

[limber hull]

it looks awful in PoT

[broken dock]

also if game was aiming to be that realistic then camera lock while eating should be removed as well

cause spines exist xd

[buoyant berry]

why deino can't one shot stego in the head? It has a small head right?

[broken dock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/903361748936040478/Puerta-faceplant.gif

[buoyant berry]

there is a line between realism and playing a game

[limber hull]

Ptera hovering looks actively awful though

[broken dock]

Ptera does like no damage anyway its simply flying over the map and doing nothing simulator

let the birds have fun

[limber hull]

The game may be unrealistic, that much is obvious, but the way the animals are animated and move around has always looked and felt realistic

If you wanna stay high in the air without moving, we have latching

[broken dock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1102948216447713310/spino.gif

[limber hull]

thanks

also ptera does absolutely nuts damage for its size and can kill so many animals based on the fact that it can fly and they have no options for verticality

ptera actually has the highest damage to weight ratio in the game

[urban flax]

Troodon and beipi didn't outclass it ?

[limber hull]

nope

unless you count beipi alt-bite, which is technically 3 hits

[urban flax]

Nah, otherwise the highest damage-to-weight ratio would be for Omni, which can do 100% of its own health in one pounce

[buoyant berry]

@broken dock

[limber hull]

did you know not even a cera of the same weight using a fully charged bite back when cera had a higher biteforce than carno would outdamage a ptera peck

[buoyant berry]

so many animals like %1 growth raptors right?

bruh

[limber hull]

it used to solo fully grown carnos

it literally had to get its turn radius nerfed because of it

[buoyant berry]

are we playing the same game?

[limber hull]

i'd assume so, yes

i've seen it kill carnos and stegos mainly, any animal with a jump can easily shut it down by simply knocking it over

[buoyant berry]

i'm playing ptera since literally stress test day and never encountered, heard, saw like this literally nothing

are you sure we are playing the isle? XD

[limber hull]

yep

i'm honestly shocked you never encountered this

[kindred flame]

Guys what'ya tink about cera aving 15% basic damage reduction based of: 1 diet no damage reduction,2 diets 5% damage reduction on body (only), 3 diets 15% damage reduction on body and 5% damage reductio on head? But would be ignored while the body down buff is activated so tat wen u ave te diets basic dmg reduction u get anyways the 80% damage reduction witout te basic

[limber hull]

sweaty ptera players who would target carnos

they were all over the place in U4/4.5

because ptera had such a low barrier of entry yet also had the best defence in the entire game, which is simply never allowing your opponent to attack back

[buoyant berry]

are there any clips for this or videos?

[limber hull]

uh, i can look for 'em

https://youtu.be/bnlRdXXtKck

here's one example

[buoyant berry]

thanks

[limber hull]

there was also a vid of one killing a stego

but idk where that one is

[urban flax]

I know how OP ptera was
I almost soloed an adult deino during update 3 (ptera had 50 biteforce then tho )

[limber hull]

?

[nimble nebula]

@hearty sky compy needs a pounce animation for omni too

[rocky shoal]

The game isn't 18+??? Where does it say that anywhere. I've seen people younger than me playing with no issue, and Steam would have a warning if it was.

Besides, my point still stands. They'd get more stress testers that played more often if they had ST not only being 18+

If the only thing that would make it 18+ is gore, then it isn't that bad, kids these days are being exposed to much worse than some dinosaur guts and guns.

[limber hull]

the stress test is 18+, however

there's an expectation of maturity as a stress tester

[rocky shoal]

Yeah that makes sense, which is why they'd add questions to test the maturity of younger ST candidates

[limber hull]

or just not have them

[rocky shoal]

And continue to be unable to fill ST servers to actually stress them

Even if they moved it down to 17 they'd have more players in the server more often

[limber hull]

grabbing more and more people of all demographics does not resolve the issue, the issue of ST is far more complex

[rocky shoal]

Which is why in my suggestion I said I could be totally wrong

[graceful raven]

it was 18+ at some point but either way it’s necessary to be 18+ for the stress test so you can take responsibility in case you cross any guidelines that the devs give you

and just because theres worse things than guts and guns, shouldnt mean that its fine to expose kids to bad things. there will always be worse

[rocky shoal]

Yeah no of course, it isn't fine but nothing they do is gonna stop kids from buying it anyways. I mean, look at FNAF, it's pretty bad but most of the fans are children.

As a 16 year old I can take responsibility, and even I have the common sense to not overstep any guidelines. They wouldn't have to lower the limit too much, even just lowering it to 17 would get more consistent ST players, which could mean bugs are found faster which could mean updates are released faster.

[stray spruce]

Hunger should drain slower than nutrients.
What do you think?
#general-feedback message

[wide forge]

i was just coming to comment on that lol

The issue with having hunger drain slower than nutri is 1. This isn't the case for all dinos iirc since they all have individual drains
2. It runs the risk of you having no nutrients and being unable to GET nutrients bc you can't eat due to being full

[stray spruce]

Ah, you are right. I forgot about the vomit thing because I initially thought this idea for deinos. I think I should suggest it as deino specific. Would it make more sense?

[wide forge]

deino hunger already drains so slow im not sure making it worse would be ideal

[urban flax]

That would make things even worse than they currently are

[stray spruce]

Yes but deinos are almost always hungry 😄 Too much competition and also hard to hunt since everyone is careful near water.

[wide forge]

considering how many full adult deinos i see surrounded by corpses i somehow don't think this is very much of a problem lol

[stray spruce]

It is a rare sight them being friendly to each other. Adults especially.

[wide forge]

That's normal gameplay due to deino being on the diet so no problem imo

[stray spruce]

I think it is a problem when you have food, you are hungry, but can't eat not to get an unwanted nutrient because it lasts almost for hours to deplete when you fill a nutrient once. You may get a +50% growth bonus while you are already adult for example.

[wide forge]

i do think this is the point of nutrients being the way they are? If you have a corpse but it's not the nutri you want, you must abandon it to find something else

If you filled your nutri beyond what you wanted originally you need to manage it better

[graceful raven]

you obviously cant take responsibility cause its a legal matter 💀 you may have to sign something to enter the stress test as a content creator.

[stray spruce]

It is not about managing. It is about eating something you do not prefer at all not to starve and how punishing it is.

[wide forge]

Yes well... it is a survival game

Not everything is going to be ideal

[stray spruce]

I know

[north quiver]

honestly I’d prefer if rotting meat gave ceras more nutrients and food than fresh meat to encourage it to actually scavenge instead of hunt. I’d also prefer if only rotting meat gave it bacteria too (or meat that is close to becoming rotten) #general-feedback message

that’s how I thought cera would be like initially. thought it was going to be one of the few creatures to actually get nutrients from rotting stuff

[rocky shoal]

That's QA not ST iirc, only QA has an NDA that needs to be signed from what everyone's told me

@wheat atlas cello when you die peacefully as an elder dino

[faint folio]

I agree. Right now it's just a normal hunting carnivore that can opportunistically scavenge if it's in a pinch. As opposed to a scavenger that might opportunistically hunt. Plus, if we look at irl scavengers, most of them sanitize rotten food extremely well. For example vultures basically sterilize the food they eat during digestion. It's actually less pathogenic coming out the back end than the front 😅

[north quiver]

yeah lol I agree it’s definitely seeming like a normal hunter right now. it’s actually encouraged to hunt because of its big stam pool and the fact it can only get nutrients via fresh meat (excluding bones). bones and rotting flesh/meat close to rotting is what it needs to get nutrients and bacteria from, not fresh meat. it’s essentially just another deino except it’s on land with a lot more stam and a bite that can pukelock

[vestal storm]

@flat brook wdym by hallucinations for herrea?

[flat brook]

like when its bleeding, you can toxic player and then he getting hallucinations

[flat brook]

thats my idea 😍 r

[vestal storm]

Wait so you are saying herrea should makes other dinos hallucinate?

[flat brook]

yup

[vestal storm]

Dude

You do realize that dilo already has that, and there would be no point for herrea to have that

[flat brook]

omg sorry

MY BAD OKAY? i tried make work "dizzy" not "hallucination" SORRY

couldnt find that word in my mind SORRY

[vestal storm]

Calm down buddy

[vestal storm]

Also, herrea has no reason of being venomous, dilo and troodon because of popular media, and megalania because realism, so herrea shouldn’t have venom

[flat brook]

my bad then

just sharing my idea

[vestal storm]

Well just fact check it first

[restive quarry]

hey is this where i say passwordpassword for the stress test?

or is it too late

[proud coral]

The stress test is over. It was only for the weekend.

[atomic plinth]

you know what would be cool concept to the thrashing gore affect. the ability to tug-o-war with your food, especially with smaller animals/dinosaurs. ripping of limbs even them in half depending on size of both sides. i think there was a concept art that inspired me to inquery about it. i will tag here.

[faint folio]

@small anchor I understand the sentiment. But, there's a good reason for it.

A lot of the feedback people gave over the stress test this last weekend was junk. That is, it is a stress test. Eg, the goal is to try to overwork servers, punish them as much as possible, and hopefully find any crashes or severe lag/freezing before release. Most of the feedback from the stress test in the public discord was not relevant to the goal of the test. Balance feedback and design/animation/sound feedback is good, but it is not the focus, yet that was the majority of the feedback.

Also, a lot of people in the public discord just don't write very helpful feedback. What I mean is, I've seen a lot of comments like "fix XXX playable" or "revert XXX playable", but they don't specifically address what the issue is that makes it unpleasant. Closed testers are asked to provide feedback in a specific format that makes the feedback frankly more helpful to the devs.

Finally, in relation to the first point-- say, for example, it is discovered that a specific build has a problem in it that causes a server or client crash. If that build is on the public servers, then there is a MAJOR problem because the game is broken, and people get frustrated and quit, or lose dinos, or leave negative reviews... it is all hands on deck scrambling to try to find and patch the problem. Whereas if it is a closed test build, then no worries! Take the test server down, continue normal dev work, and the programmer responsible for the broken code can take more time to analyze and find the issue, and fix it properly. When there is a potential fix, push it to the closed test server and then try to trigger the crash again to see if it is fixed. You can't do that if it is the live, public version of the game

[small anchor]

I understand thanks for replying to me

[faint folio]

no problem! thanks for being respectful as well 🙂

[small anchor]

for sure, i just had a big doubt of why not leaving the testing to the live servers due to this being a "beta", but you solved it !

[graceful vale]

did they close the testing branch ?

[mighty crown]

If you’re talking about the stress test I don’t think so

[graceful vale]

looks like it cuz i dont see it on the list anymore just legacy and evrima

[mighty crown]

Then yes it’s closed now

[graceful vale]

hmm sumhow when ever i try create a dino isle freezes up and i crash tryed diffrent servers all same result

[south oar]

That's because you've switched back to Evrima which is in UE4. You need to go to your
%localappdata% in files, search that up, click on the isle, and delete your whole entire "saved" folder.

Going between UE5 and 4 this weekend from the public ST will do that because it's different engines but it's a super easy fix

[graceful vale]

ah sweet i been checkin on google for abit already coulndt find anything thx !

[south oar]

Yeah no problem!!!

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr if stego is nerfed, deino needs the same kind of nerfs if not more

stego is the only viable way to keep deino in the water

and is overall not nearly as strong as deino

it's like how carno beats cera, but overall is the worse animal

[rocky bobcat]

whats wrong with a jump for purely gameplay reasons?? not everything has to be true to life. sure, alot of dinos cant jump... but this is a game. and getting stuck on micro ledges is more immersion breaking than a lil jump, IMO.

[urban flax]

How would a stego or deino jumping look like ?

[rocky bobcat]

idk. its not animated yet

[urban flax]

I'll answer then.
It would look dumb

[rocky bobcat]

yall would rather have a clunky game than a dino than can hop an inch lol

immersion > good gameplay ig

[urban flax]

I'm not sure how stego jumping is important for good gameplay

[rocky bobcat]

you know what looks even dumber? wiggling back and forth to clip up a ledge that other literally cant get up

now that looks dumb

[urban flax]

Well of course you're trying to access a place where you're not supposed to go

[rocky bobcat]

and noone said stego. you just picked the most drastic dino to make ur opinion sound better

[urban flax]

Some dinos being more agile than others is a form of balance

[urban flax]

You said all dinos. That includes stego

[rocky bobcat]

Immersion > good gameplay

[urban flax]

When you say "all dinos should have a jump" that implies you mean stego, and in the future things like rex, shant and brachi should have a jump too

[rocky bobcat]

so

let me get this straight; you like the wiggling and clipping up rocks and ledges? thats good?

[urban flax]

No, I think the ability to clip on top of rocks for dinos that aren't able to jump should be fixed instead

[rocky bobcat]

the issue is that i could literally just lift my leg and step up. but i cant

it shouldnt have to be clipping and wiggling. its literally 1 one inch ledge

[urban flax]

Then ask for the ability to step up, not a jump for all dinos

[rocky bobcat]

oh, so a jump mechanic with a smaller animation. gotcha

[urban flax]

Well yes
Is there something wrong with animations that make sense in your opinion ?

[rocky bobcat]

wdym?

nah its just that you disagreed with me then said a solution is the same thing but a different word lol

[urban flax]

It's not just a different word

Jumping implies getting all feet off the ground
Stepping up doesn't

[rocky bobcat]

the solution is still the same tho. just animated different

[urban flax]

It may not work the same way, as normally stepping up doesn't allow you to cover distance, or gain height without something to step upon

[rocky bobcat]

only way they would be able to do a completely different mechanic (stepping) is individually putting spots on the map where its possible, i feel like

im no dev but i feel like adding a step up mechanic instead of small jump is lightyears more work

[urban flax]

I would prefer nothing over a jump for those

[rocky bobcat]

damn rlly?

[urban flax]

It's the simplest way, not the only one

[rocky bobcat]

-if ledge certain height- -step-

im now dev

put the code in the system boys. i got it

or actually, they could just smooth out all the ledges with invisible ramps like they do with staircases and stuff lol

noone would know any different

[limber hull]

thats literally how it already works

[south sluice]

I totally agree with you. A dino like Carno may be able to step up a tiny ledge, but for Stego to be able to "jump" would be a bit unrealistic in my opinion. Too much weigh on those short leggos!

[quasi stream]

Elephants can’t even jump so no thx I don’t want a 5 ton dinosaurs to jump.

[quasi stream]

@stray spruce I think, when the weather update comes, water should be murky after rains, and when it doesn't rain in a while, it becomes clear. Just like irl

[stray spruce]

Sounds cool but I think it can ruin Deinos day if all of the water becomes clear. This is why I said a very small amount of water should be clear.

[limber hull]

Man came in and dropped a goddamn poem dear lord
#general-feedback message

i'm upvoting specifically because of the goddamn adventure that feedback post was

[short iron]

That was the most creative feedback i've ever read😂

Makes my waiting on the airpirt a bit more ejoyable especially when your flight has a delay of over 1 hour

[full canopy]

Dear @limber hull ,

Your words touch my heart in the most wondrous of ways! I am humbled by your kind appraisal of my meager attempt at linguistic artistry. I express my deepest gratitude for your generous praise, akin to a radiant sunbeam gracing the petals of a celestial blossom.

In this moment of sublime connection, I extend my sincere thanks, like a melodious hymn of gratitude resonating through the corridors of eternity. May the symphony of appreciation dance upon the ethereal winds, caressing your spirit with grace.

You are a beacon of light amidst the vast expanse, an arbiter of discernment and taste. I am but a vessel, blessed to have crossed paths with your discerning soul. May our destinies intertwine as we continue to journey through the tapestry of existence, united by a shared love for the poetic.

With sincerest reverence and profound appreciation,

Jonarn

[limber hull]

You are way too good at this

I like you

[full canopy]

Dear friend, know that I hold you in high regard also. Your companionship is a gift that fills my days with joy and meaning. Our connection transcends mere words, for it is a testament to the beauty of human connection and the intricate webbing of relationships that enrich our lives.

With heartfelt appreciation,

your boy, Jonarn.

[teal pecan]

regarding the guy asking for Archaeopteryx

"sometimes referred to by its German name, "Urvogel", is a genus of avian dinosaurs. The name derives from the ancient Greek ἀρχαῖος, meaning "ancient", and πτέρυξ, meaning "feather" or "wing". Wikipedia
Mass: 0.82 – 1 kg (Adult)"

1kg, he will not be able to survive or do much of anything where the smallest flying creature is 40x his size xD

[barren zephyr]

@jolly pumice, that's a bug, i'm fairly certain its fixed in 6.5 though.

[jolly pumice]

hopefully…

ty!

[barren zephyr]

Need some feedback on why my idea is getting more dislikes than likes 🤨

[lapis swallow]

Because I think it would not fit the isle and its style its going for. Also custom skin patterns are never a good idea (dont know if that was part of your suggestion)

[barren zephyr]

if i recall correctly i heard a rex would break a leg if it tried to run (running means at some point both of your legs are in the air) so jumping would basically break one or both, so yes, no jumping for big dinos

[barren zephyr]

Not so much custom as more just ideas for the devs to consider, and perhaps a spark of inspiration for them. Sometimes just looking st something is all it takes you know.

[full pewter]

@flat ruin pretty sure hollow fallen logs will appear in gateway

[flat ruin]

noice

[rocky bobcat]

Then why does everyone get stuck on inch tall ledges? Gonna have to disagree with you

[barren zephyr]

@stoic lichen This is not just the isle anymore, Legacy is basically PoT, this is Evrima

[stoic lichen]

it’s called evrima cuz it’s basically a beta, eventually it’s gonna be renamed to just the isle so i suggested that to be when evrima’s made the main branch

[barren zephyr]

No, it shouldn't be reverted back to the isle. Is evrima a bad name?

[stoic lichen]

the games name is the isle

so that’s what the main branch should be

[barren zephyr]

That was Legacy. This is Evrima

New players might get confused aswell

Eventually the game should be called evrima and show evrima trailers

[stoic lichen]

that’s why i said to rename legacy to the isle legacy

[barren zephyr]

Legacy will be deleted though

[stoic lichen]

so why not rename evrima to just the isle

[barren zephyr]

Because Evrima is a cool name

[stoic lichen]

that’s not the name of the game tho

[barren zephyr]

It will be

[stoic lichen]

no it’s not?

[barren zephyr]

It's not...Yet

[stoic lichen]

they’re not renaming the game to evrima that’s just the name of the current branch

[limber hull]

they have quite literally said that EVRIMA is going to be The Isle

[stoic lichen]

☝🏽

[limber hull]

Like, it's been repeated that EVRIMA will take the place of Legacy as "The Isle"

EVRIMA's just the title for the beta branch

[stoic lichen]

exactly

my suggestion was for that to happen when update 7 comes out and the evrima branch is made the main branch

and to rename legacy to “the isle legacy”

[barren zephyr]

I'm just saying I want it to stay as Evrima

[limber hull]

why though lol

it doesn't really matter all that much

[barren zephyr]

No it doesnt

[tall hearth]

just rename the icon on your desktop to say Evrima

everyone wins

[barren zephyr]

But if I had the choice, it't stay as evrima

[barren zephyr]

Genius

[tall hearth]