general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

VPN and VPS services exist

[dusky solar]

"If you put someone in jail because they murdered someone, there will still be murderers so why enforce it"

[limber hull]

Wow that's a massive extreme

[urban flax]

I'm not certain game devs can legally or technically block specific IPs from hosting servers

[dusky solar]

"There will always be rulebreakers, so why have mods when they can just make more accounts..."

[limber hull]

So you want the Isle devs to constantly monitor the legacy server list for bad seeds and ban them for the rest of time?

[limber hull]

That too

[dusky solar]

The devs hardly monitor servers themselves anyways...

It's usually always moderators or server admins.

[dusky solar]

Also, not certain does not mean you know what you are talking about. It's literally their game, they can block who they want with it.

[urban flax]

I don't think you know what you are talking about either

[dusky solar]

? How do I not?

[urban flax]

How do you ?

[dusky solar]

You literally think that it's illegal to block someone from your game. There is literally a list of VAC banning on Steam lmao?

[barren crater]

Individuals

[dusky solar]

Steam or the Isle can revoke your license of the game at any point.

[barren crater]

Not a country

[dusky solar]

Once again, I never said the whole of China smh...

I still don't know where this is coming from.

[urban flax]

End they need a justification to do that, and it'zs a different thing than banning servers

[barren crater]

I know. But how do you find those people?

Without banning a country

[dusky solar]

They actually really don't hence the Terms of service you automatically agree with when making a Steam account. Steam AND a game dev has every right to revoke your License. Because that's what it is, just a license. You do not own your Steam games, you own the license to them. Which the ToS clearly state that it is up to Steam(also clearly game devs due to VAC banning) to revoke your license, and/or delete your account/game library at any point they feel you broke the rules of the game/steam.

[urban flax]

Game devs can't delete your steam account what are you on about
Sure, steam can, but the devs themselves cannot

[dusky solar]

Trace the server origin. The reason they are so bad is because nothing is being done about it. It would be the same for ANY country including Western countries. If they are flooding the servers with clearly false information and abusing the system or using exploits, they would be breaking the rules.

[barren crater]

Don't you need to break TOS for that to happen though?

[dusky solar]

They can definitely deny access to a game for you, which is in your steam library...

[urban flax]

But not delete your steam account

[dusky solar]

I said Steam could.

I said game devs can VAC ban. Which basically denies your PC of playing the game.

[barren crater]

Don't think it would be too hard to bypass, but having that and someone actively monitoring servers every so often would mean those servers wouldn't pop up as much (potentially 😰 ).

[dusky solar]

It may be easy to bypass yes, but I agree some effort would be nice, even if just by the community.

[barren crater]

I think there's ways to do it, but it's really up to the Devs if they want that so

[dusky solar]

Also the issue seems to not bother Evrima, so I don't see why when the one who coded it is free, he can't fix the system on Legacy.

[barren crater]

When they're 'free', they move onto future content iirc

Like some devs could be developing update 6.5 for example, while others could go onto 7

[dusky solar]

Then perhaps, they should change the Steam page as it's currently marketing Legacy, and things not even close to being in Evrima.

[dusky solar]

For those who think I mean everyone in China, I added a comment. I am sure you will still claim I am wrong or I don't know what I am talking about. Agree to disagree. Also, it's a suggestion channel, you act like I am forcing them to listen to me.

[dusky solar]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5 Also for those that think game devs have no power over who plays their game.

Also, if an account is banned, they will be forced to recreate an account and buy the game again, that will get expensive for the outcome.

Server providers 99% of the time require you to attach some form of ID( Being Steam, real ID, email, etc... ) unless hosted locally, which would still require your Steam account for other users to connect through Steam. So if they are abusing the system then go to the source via Steam, or the provider they are using and end it once and for all. In order for Steam users to connect to a server, they must be using Steam's API and account management(your steam ID, etc...) So yes, they can block these servers.

There is a reason you can't just pick any game on any platform and make a server to it. Hence the fact we don't have console and PC players playing together all the time even though they have the same games, and in order for Steam to be used with Epic games players, the dev's must allow it.

[prisma stump]

Am I the only one hating the footstep rework?

like give me back the old tracking, this is confusing

[robust palm]

And, if you buy the game. You don't rent the game you buy it with your money so devs can't do anything steam really is the only thing that can do anything to your steam account game devs don't have access to that stuff.

[latent olive]

technically you can "rent" the game by buying, playing little under 2 hours, then refunding

repeating the process every now and then

not quite sure how it works though

[urban flax]

If Steam support notices you doing that they can forbid you from refunding games, as "it's not for playing demos"

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/siamang-ape-siamang-ape-going-wild-gif-20001146

[normal lotus]

So. What do you think of my concept for pachyrhino?

[urban flax]

I don't like the idea of a herbivore that can defend itself from predators

[normal lotus]

But herbivores can do that

[urban flax]

Not under my watch

[normal lotus]

Though seriously what do you think.

[urban flax]

I think it makes sense
That's what I'd expect a pachyrhinosaurus to do

Although the charge requiring a running start might be terrible as a defensive ability

[rare fractal]

Nah I disagree, Vegetable Eater = Burger

#FodderHerbis

[normal lotus]

Ever heard of cape Buffalo?

[rare fractal]

I’ve never heard of capes or Buffalo (I’m being entirely sarcastic)

[lucid mauve]

Is it as big as a trike or something ? Just saw your suggestion, taking on rex lol

[urban flax]

Please don't invent animals that never existed for the sake of your argument
A herbivore that can do anything else than eat grass and die ? Preposterous

[normal lotus]

When cooperating.

[rare fractal]

Yeah this level of cope just to make the vegans relevant is hyper cringe and must be squashed

[lucid mauve]

Because your more dont mean you can take on eveything, if u can take on a rex. What can you do to others then

[limber hull]

👏 all 👏 herbivores 👏 are 👏 prey 👏

[urban flax]

It makes sense that a group of rhinos can beat a rex

[normal lotus]

Well the match up in group varies.

[urban flax]

There's only so much you can do with two broken legs

[lucid mauve]

If we talked about trike here sure, i dont know what these pachys things are yet lol

[rare fractal]

Grass = Helpless bumbling idiot

[normal lotus]

Pachyrhinosaurus at most weighs about 4 tons

[rare fractal]

Literally the best isle meme by far

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-ice-worlds-pachyrhinosaurus-dinosaur-dinosaurs-gif-26940184

[limber hull]

its the best because some believe it to be true

if it weren't an actual unironic sentiment, it wouldn't be half as funny

[rare fractal]

All of the greatest memes are believed unironically by at least some

[urban flax]

It's not a meme
It's the source of my power

[rare fractal]

#NerfBubulblu

I’ll make herbis balanced and fun just to spite you

[urban flax]

No way
You can't do that

[normal lotus]

Those people are quite silly who believe it unironically

[rare fractal]

They’re just a different breed of biased, it’s honestly impressive

[limber hull]

Cerato NEEDS to kill stego guys you gotta understand

[normal lotus]

They're flat earthen level

[rare fractal]

Omni simply MUST fight Anky, it’s unfair for any creature to be immune to any other creature

Just ask deino he’ll tell you just that!

[urban flax]

Now that is another mentality
The "Omni must 1v1 everything" mindset
It's arguably worse

[limber hull]

i CANNOT hope to enjoy this game if my tiny-ass velo ain't felling trikes i'll tell you what

[limber hull]

god i love that

[rare fractal]

I can’t in good conscience say it’s worse but it’s for damn sure funnier

[limber hull]

a skilled omni > animals perfectly designed to invalidate its entire niche and hunting style

[lucid mauve]

I was with you when you talked about albertos, but lost it when i saw rex. But it was some good points there, but im just off with the balance : P

[rare fractal]

You guys just don’t understand that a skilled weasel main should be able to easily dispatch a charging elephant through pure predatory might and prowess

[limber hull]

the weasel is a STRONG and PROUD carnivore and it CANNOT be bested by a lumbering herbivore

[normal lotus]

There's obviously counterplay. I said take on. Not curbstomp.

[rare fractal]

Perk idea: Carnivores Pride

Carnivores received immunity to all herbivore combat mechanics through sheer skill and adaptability, much like how wolves adapt to all hunting scenarios…the apex of predators

This would help players feel like the alphas of their ecosystem

I think it would be splendid

[urban flax]

Honestly, with how Omni currently functions, a skilled omni player could theoretically solo a rex
The problem is, those people don't ask for Omni to be able to beat everything through insane skill expression... They want omni to be able to kill anything so they can feel like they are skilled

[limber hull]

not even a joke, it totally could

[rare fractal]

If an animal lacks a speed advantage or WAY above average range they sorta just lose

[limber hull]

hell, rex probably is more at risk to omni than stego is, despite dondi's plans

[rare fractal]

Cuz pounce isn’t exactly a complex ability, it sorta just works unless it doesn’t

[normal lotus]

I mean rex got trample

[urban flax]

If stego was properly designed everything would be more threatened by omnis than it, bar anky

[lucid mauve]

The problem is that if one can take on 2 albertos, well then 4 would be insanely strong. Then to even try going for that you would need 5 albertos. And if you need 5 albertos how many omnis do you need to take on that ? 10 ? I just dont wane huge herds/pack. I could be wrong tho

[rare fractal]

I’m not sure how that even remotely factors in when Omni can teleport by simply engaging with the targets hitbox

[limber hull]

if rex gets trample, stego will too, so idk what this argument is even about lol

stego can protect its flanks better than rex, therefor it's better designed to face off against omni than rex

[rare fractal]

It’s one of the only animals that actively prevents pounce specifically

If it’s not good at dealing with them….lord help the rest

Like just….rip hadrosaurs

All the larger theropods are food

[limber hull]

god rest trike

[rare fractal]

No dibble combat roll for the 8 ton tank

[urban flax]

dw Omni mains will pounce its face and seethe when they realize "TRIKE IS TOTALLY IMMUNE TO POUNCE WTF AS ALWAYS GAME IS BIASED TOWARDS HERBIVORES"

[rare fractal]

This is what makes me so excited for Kentro

The “diehard Omni mains” haven’t even tasted what it’s like to simply not be able to pounce something

Just wait till they add the walking wall of spears

[limber hull]

God I love the idea of kentro just being essentially unpouncable

I stand for passive counters over hard counters

[rare fractal]

Mhm

[limber hull]

i.e. existing = a counter to another animal

[lucid mauve]

Ohh, that would be awesome lol

[limber hull]

you just DON'T fight that

[rare fractal]

Pounceable Kentro is Uber cringe

[limber hull]

anky, for instance

[urban flax]

btw I think they should add a creature called "Omnisuchus" to the game
So when people say omni it could be either omniraptor or omnisuchus
When they say deino it could be either deinosuchus or deinocheirus
And if they say suchus it's either deinosuchus or omnisuchus

[limber hull]

should passively counter most of the roster

[lucid mauve]

Omni pouncing me and just hang there

[rare fractal]

Damageable Anky is also cringe (for Omni)

[limber hull]

Herrera vs kentro, for example, should be essentially "small therapod vs walking punji pit"

[rare fractal]

I approve of renaming everything with an Omni prefix to confuse the hell out of everyone for the lols

[limber hull]

Attacking a kentro as a herrera should be basically a "DIY shish kebab"

[urban flax]

Imagine playing as a kentro and suddendly being scarejumped by a suicide lizard

[rare fractal]

I also just like the idea of playables that are less at constant anxiety for being potentially attacked by literally everything in the game

[urban flax]

Add a kill counter to this
You're walking through the forest, then suddendly you hear "REEEEEEE" and then you get +1 kill
And when you look on your back you see a dead herrera there

[limber hull]

Beipi vs deino, for example. Does beipi kill deino? Nope. Does beipi even remotely scare deino? Not really. Does beipi possess the ability to just ruin your 30 minute wait for prey by screaming above you then swimming away as fast as possible? Hell yea.

[urban flax]

btw Herrera should go REEEEEEEEEEEEE with one of its calls

[rare fractal]

Agreed, if it’s 3 call doesn’t embody the soul of tumblr I’ll be disappointed

Just make Herrera seem irrationally upset whenever it 3 calls and I’ll be happy

[lapis swallow]

this is general-feedback-sarcasm now lmao

[limber hull]

we have fun here

[lapis swallow]

its fun to read

[weak sail]

Yes

[proud coral]

The Carno's ram hitbox is confirmed to be fixed in the next update.

[wraith verge]

why so much confusion tho xD

[stone mantle]

i'm thinking another solution for grabbing the organ you want without sifting through them would be implementing a system allowing you to cycle through overlapping things using the same input (switching between "press E to graze" and "press E to eat" for example)? that would maybe require the devs to add more specific labels to grab actions to know which thing you currently have selected ("press G to grab stomach/lung/heart/etc). soulsborne games do this and it's simple but effective

[brazen dust]

the organ selection thing would be great

[uneven mist]

@vital walrus unfortunately rex and trike is relatively soon-ish. After dilo, dibble and Herrera which is the current ficus, then they will work on rex and trike

[uneven mist]

Someone is mad

[lament pecan]

yes

[uneven mist]

I see

[lament pecan]

you bet bro

🧂

[uneven mist]

I don’t bet, I’m not a gambler

[lament pecan]

well in this cause you would heavily benefit of gambling, honestly

[lapis swallow]

bro living up to his pfp

[lament pecan]

bro is defending isle devs

[uneven mist]

Nah

[lapis swallow]

I am not, I am just stating that

[lament pecan]

ok

[brazen dust]

@stoic knoll Good idea except though for the part where you say "after a few HOURS" only few people were already nesting but now nobody will, instead make it very short (10-20min imo)

[rare fractal]

@simple ruin everything in your suggestion is good except for the stego swing range, tailswing actually has one of the tightest attack hitboxes in the game, if you’re encountering range issues that’s an issue with server stability, latency/lag….etc

[simple ruin]

That's a fair point, I only included it because I've seen some other people mention it before. Ideally if they did some server maintenance as well/patches, that'd probably sort that particular issue out. I haven't encountered it myself, but I usually give Steggs a wide berth because I'm not gonna fight the apex predator right now.

[rare fractal]

Yeah, fortunately stegos are easy to avoid so it's a manageable task

[urban flax]

@supple gale The reason shadows are so dark is because of the anti-gamma system, which prevents players to bump up their brightness at night and see as clear as day (which is unfair) until devs find a better solution to it

[limber hull]

a mixpack debuff AND a "small = bad" in one suggestion?

what a deal!

[urban flax]

For the dinos, small ones are equally (if not more) important than the large ones, because they are the foundation to the ecosystem (and provide more interesting and meaningful interactions with humans)

[limber hull]

"beipiosaurus and troodon are not full fledged"

of course, troodon's entirely unique venom mechanic and beipi's entirely unique movement systems are completely overshadowed by the fact that they are less than 100kg

even though both these animals are far more mechanically complex than many of our roster members, i guess their size makes them not full-fledged

[supple gale]

I understand, and therefore I hope that they will figure it out, but if a solution is found, I will not get out of the game XD

[supple gale]

I apologize in advance for my English. It's not about their size, but the number of characters you can interact with. Killing kids is one thing, finding more brothers to kill is another, and we turn to the mixpack problem, since troodons are likely to cooperate with other larger predators for a positive hunting result. Another question, here I grew up on Beipiaosaurus, and what should I do next? Do not run with other herbivores. and 24 by 7 running away from teenage crocodiles is also not a good idea

[limber hull]

Rex can't interact with many playables, it's far too slow. Doesn't mean people like it less

[urban flax]

If most of the roster is composed of smalls (which it is) then smalls will have plenty to interact with

[wraith verge]

@simple ruin god I wish they would put out small patches, just to fix the issuess on the current build and maybe balance the dinos a bit more

[simple ruin]

I feel like small patches would go a long way to assuage a lot of the anxiety of the community. Aside from just fixing issues with the game, it would also feel like more is happening between major updates so we don't just have, what feel like, massive content droughts. Like I said in my post, I'm far from the first and most likely not the last to mention the need for patches and balances, but with the next update not really scheduled for release soon, these would do a lot to help the overall health of the game.

[limber hull]

@fleet brook they're planning to add them to unofficials soon

[stone mantle]

atm the dev build of the game is using UE5 which means that any changes their build won't work on the public build which uses an older version of UE (4 i believe), and any changes they make on the public build won't carry over to the UE5 build because the engine is different. But, I've been playing Evrima since update 3.5-ish and if my memory serves me, they didn't really do smaller patches between content update other than emergencies. like the game being completely unplayable

[versed lantern]

why is the server browser count so inaccurate? Also, why can you sometime end up in a queue but most of the time you just get the message "server is full" with no option for queue and it showing 96/100

[stone mantle]

Server count doesn't update in real time, and you only get the option to queue when the counter shows 100/100

[barren zephyr]

@plucky totem that can cause performance issues

[rare fractal]

@grand folio I'm all for more flier diversity but something to note is that essentially none of our fliers bar quetz can be combatively capable, flight is just too powerful an advantage to give to anything with the power to really....kill much of anything that's not just smaller than you. I almost feel like it'd be better to just add most if not all other planned survival mechanics that the other hypothetical fliers would've gotten onto quetz or ptera in conjunction with reskins....

[faint folio]

I think the main issue here isn't what you're focusing on... The problem isn't that smalls can't meaningfully kill very many other playables... The issue is that there is nothing else to do as an adult dino BUT kill other dinos (or nest, but the nesting mechanic rn is solely sit in the same spot for 10 minutes and afk waiting for eggs to incubate... Which is really mind numbing unless you have good company to talk with)

[versed lantern]

Makes sense, but should be improved or auto queue when it's full. Annoying to sit and press same server 20 times when it says 95/100 xd

[stone mantle]

for sure

[north quiver]

@stone mantle agreed for the nesting ground part. nesting grounds really aren’t worth it and are pretty sub par tbh. I’ve only seen pachies nesting in two of the three nesting grounds, and that’s because 2/3 of their diet items are there, and because their water drain isn’t taxing. I’ve seen a few tenos nest at the south west nesting ground, but they have to go pretty far for potato and water. every other playable aside from pachy seems to get screwed over diet-wise from the food and/or water placement. god, no teno will ever touch the south eastern nesting ground because it’s so awful water is ages away and they have to travel even farther just to grab a second diet

[stone mantle]

yuuuuuuuup. wanted to try nesting at the swamp nesting grounds with a friend and we both fell in a cave on the way, they died and i almost did

[north quiver]

lmaoo that cave

[stone mantle]

they're way too huge for some reason as well. I think the devs intended multiple families to nest there but so few people actually nest having that much space is completely pointless

[north quiver]

definitely

maybe gateway will fix the issue since there’s migrations and all

I really hope they don’t scrap the current map though and finish it. having a full, playable megamap sounds pretty cool ngl but I’d hope having higher player numbers to compensate wouldn’t affect the performance (I have hope :c)

[rustic tulip]

Is this on console?

[stone mantle]

i'm still not quite sure what migrations is supposed to be tbh. is there a dev blog or discord post from the devs that talk about it?

[rustic tulip]

Hello?

[icy lion]

Nope

[rustic tulip]

UGH

[icy lion]

Here's a pretty good summary from Punch #isle-discussion message

[stone mantle]

Hmm. If I understand correctly (i'm probably not), diets will no longer be static for each dino (or at least herbivores) so you'll have to move around the map to fulfil a new diet (???)

[icy lion]

That's how I understood it!

[dense nest]

tbh I prefer the idea of dinosaurs having their own ranges that more or less don't change. I hope that maybe there can be static spawns for diets like on Spiro as well as Migration for players who don't want to have to pass through hotspots just to eat

[stone mantle]

How long ago have the devs announced this mechanic?

I'm not a biologist or anything so I'm probably talking out of my bum here, but imo it seems like a kinda unrealistic and/or artificial system to fulfil a certain goal (which I'm guessing is making players not stay in 1 area all the time, leaving the rest of the map feeling lifeless). I'm probably missing something, and perhaps it'll turn out great but we'll see

[north quiver]

I’ve heard that the changing spots will encompass a pretty big area so it’s not just all one small hotspot of players. I hope that’s true, and I also hope there are multiple bodies of water to drink from or else deinos will have an easy time getting food. Imagine only being able to drink from one body of water and there’s not another body of water relatively close by to choose from lol

[icy lion]

A long time ago, and different species will migrate to different areas at different times

[stone mantle]

hopefully the map:player count ratio won't be the same (theoretically, if Gateway is twice as large as Spiro, and the maximum server player count is doubled as well, it probably won't fix the problem of most of the map being empty, assuming player distribution is similar)

[dense nest]

Still, I'm the kind of player who likes to have a set spot I enjoy playing in, that I'm comfortable in and I know well.

[north quiver]

for all we know, the entire map might be sectioned into 3 parts (just an example), and there’s a 1/3 chance the diets for a specific species will change to that area. if that’s the case then players would have a lot of wriggle room of where they want to be and chill at

[stone mantle]

idk. it seems odd to me that a dino's preferred diet will just change on it's own just like that. like, if, for instance, oranges is a source of carbs (3 circles) for [insert dino(s) here, why would ever it stop being one?

i feel like the message linked earlier was missing a lot of context, so i'm most likely completely misinterpreting the mechanic

[north quiver]

I personally think the food spawns will move and the preferred diet will stay the same

[stone mantle]

hmmmmm. using oranges as an example again, they could grow all over the map (since i doubt there's going to be much variation in climate within the map), but a certain area's oranges could eventually be depleted, thus requiring [insert dino(s) here] to move to another location to get oranges?

[north quiver]

from how I took what punch said, I feel like oranges and other foods would keep spawning in the area (like what we see with the current food system), but once the migration zone changes, the spawn for the food will change

[limber hull]

yea, basically, you CAN go to the migration zones for guaranteed high-quantity food, or explore the outskirts of the migration food for much rarer food

so you can exist away from the massive movements of the animals

[stone mantle]

oh. that's still a bit weird, unless the reason for food spawns shifting around is plants maturing and starting to produce fruits in one area (which would maybe play into my last interpretation), and not just teleporting around because why not

[urban flax]

@ivory cedar Nocturnal animals in The Isle already have a buff
Which is better nightvision

[ivory cedar]

you readed my feedback or not? i mentioned MORE buffs. Night vision is the least they can do

[urban flax]

But they don't need more buffs
They already have improved nightvision

[lucid mauve]

Yea same, to much buffs. And this would make them really boring to play when its not night time. Since they would be considerable worse for balance issues.

[ivory cedar]

well its a feedback. the devs can do whatever they want with it. idc. i just gave ideas

[ivory cedar]

the whole idea of that feedback was to make nocturnal animals more active in hunting or whatever during night and not only having good night vision. but its a feedback to the devs so like i said, they can do whatever they want with it

[ivory cedar]

they are still viable during day. they just get a few more buffs or just 1 more buff during night apart from night vision

[lucid mauve]

Yea maybe, but i think its really good already to have better night vision, better scent could work to. But when you start getting more damage and take reduce damage, its just to much buffs.

[ivory cedar]

your right. but better scent should defenetly be a thing for nocturnal animals

[lucid mauve]

Yea maybe, im not saying your wrong. Maybe they do get it, but its prob already hell fighting dilos at night time : P

[limber hull]

Any buffs nocturnals get, should be universal, not only active at night. The only exception is the hallucinations dilo venom causes at night

[urban flax]

@oblique bobcat We... already have proximity text chat

[oblique bobcat]

it's only for the same species

we should have 2 tabs in chat one for proximity chat with same species and other for proximity chat with any species

or just combine them into one so you can talk to other dino species

it's a really small feature and changes a lot

[urban flax]

Oh no

Mixpacking doesn't need to be encouraged even more

[oblique bobcat]

mixpacking is not a problem

if anything mixpacking increases the games popularity

more people can hangout with other people

[urban flax]

No, mixpacking is definitely a problem when people can communicate while doing it

[oblique bobcat]

and you cant start packs with other people but I would want to be able to do that

[urban flax]

You don't need to be able to chat to hang around other species, you have calls for that

[oblique bobcat]

saying that is like saying you can't play with your discord friend who is playing carno while your're playing stego

[urban flax]

Yes

[oblique bobcat]

calls cant say yes

it's why people get bored of the game

[urban flax]

No, it's because there is no gameplay loop

It has nothing to do with mixpacking

[oblique bobcat]

I dont wanna argue with you

[urban flax]

Also global chat or anything that comes closes to it is just toxic and useless

[oblique bobcat]

but in my opinion I don't really care if they don't add a mix pack feature

but I would like proximity chat tab for any other species in the area

[urban flax]

Wait for mods then

[oblique bobcat]

it would be more fun and you could talk to other dinos who might be friendly and play a different species

why?

[urban flax]

The Isle isn't designed to be a chatroom birdbath simulator

[oblique bobcat]

that is like saying "wait for mods to fix mix packing"

[cyan flame]

Mixpacking/herding is bad for balance, so I'd rather we do not have things like that

[oblique bobcat]

okay I don't really care

[urban flax]

No I'm saying wait for mods if you want inter-species chat
Because that is hopefully never coming back to the game, unless maybe as an option for unofficials

[oblique bobcat]

I don't mean global chat

[urban flax]

I know

[oblique bobcat]

well whatever you can go soak in being lonely in the isle evrima

[urban flax]

I'm not lonely when I play with my own species as intended

[cyan flame]

Why would you be lonely? You can still play perfectly fine with your own species, and interact with others via calls and just being around them (and body language at times as well)

[oblique bobcat]

more people would have fun playing the game with that proximity

[oblique bobcat]

calls only can do so little

[urban flax]

At the expense of people who play the game normally

[cyan flame]

If you absolutely need to talk to someone, I guess, but mixing is already an issue (discord calls and stuff at that), so we'd need preventative measures for that first (since we need them anyway) and then maybe some mixed chat would be okay, though it'd be a bit strange to me, since I don't think you should play with or care for any other species but your own in the game

[oblique bobcat]

skill issue cry about it

[urban flax]

Says the person who wants it easier to play as carno and stego together

[cyan flame]

That makes absolutely no sense, since it has nothing to do with either ^^

If anything, people that need to mix would be the ones that do seem to have some form of issue :p

[oblique bobcat]

yeah I would like it to be easier to play carno and stego together

[cyan flame]

That's just a terrible idea, and should never be a thing xD

[urban flax]

And that is why we're arguing against your ideas

[oblique bobcat]

okay and?

[uneven mist]

🗿

[cyan flame]

And nothing. You provided a suggestion, we're pointing out how it would both be quite terrible for the game as well as not, far as I know, how the game is meant to be in the first place (no birdbath sim as it were)

[urban flax]

You're part of the reason why devs shouldn't read the general feedback channel

[rough phoenix]

Ngl i could see an argument for herbs mix packing but not carnos and herbs

[oblique bobcat]

I didnt even say anything chill out bro

[urban flax]

You said too much

[oblique bobcat]

I said I wanted the thing to happen

[urban flax]

Yep

[oblique bobcat]

if u really dont want it ok I do not care

[urban flax]

I noticed

[oblique bobcat]

its a suggestion that I want to happen because it would make the game more enjoyable for me

[cyan flame]

A lot of people do, but it's as bad as carni mixing balance wise. Like sure, a dryo can hang around with either a carno or a stego because well, it's a dryo, it doesn't do much. But a pachy and stego mixing, trust me, that won't be fun to go up against.

[urban flax]

It really depends on what species and what you consider mixpacking or not

[oblique bobcat]

not sure if anybody actually thinks its fun to just endlessly roam killing other players. or playing herb and just roaming or finding the diet spot and finding other players which can take. a long time it's not fun

and you cant talk to even other herbs at the least it's not very fun it's just lonely and boring

[rough phoenix]

I can agree with you with the current creatures in the isle but i think once bigger carnovores are added it wouldn’t be as much of a problem

[cyan flame]

No, that's why most of us want more PvE stuff to do, plus a full gameplay loop, and all that. Because you're right, currently game doesn't offer much aside from "deathmatch" killing.

[oblique bobcat]

I can't play the game for more than 20 minutes without getting bored

[cyan flame]

It would, you just apply it to trike and shant, or trike and stego, or something, and you'll see.

[oblique bobcat]

only whenever I talk to other players its more fun

[cyan flame]

You get bigger carnivores, you also get bigger herbivores

[oblique bobcat]

I don't really care about balance that much I mean I do but it's not a problem mix packing in my opinion

I want them to add all those things like giant herbs and carno and tyrannosaurus

[rough phoenix]

If it comes to apex herbs it’s pretty much the same as 2 apex herbs of the same type herding together

[oblique bobcat]

titanosaur Patagotitan mayorum should be added to evrima

and all the cool big dinos

and add the galimimus back cause that thing was cool

[cyan flame]

Not quite. Since they'd function differently, be good and bad vs different things, same with the apex carnis. And that's why mixing upsets the balance. Because now you can suddenly have x cover the weakness of y.

[oblique bobcat]

spino cool too

[limber hull]

next update galli in

[oblique bobcat]

I just want them to add the big dino really bad the titanosaur Patagotitan mayorum

[limber hull]

why SPECIFICALLY that one lol

[oblique bobcat]

cause biggest

more interesting I think it would attract more players too

[limber hull]

they're adding brachi

[oblique bobcat]

if they gave it unique combat mechanics

not as cool as titanosaur Patagotitan mayorum

[rough phoenix]

That only changes how many friends you have to kill them if your a solo rex you probably won’t beable to win 2 herb apexes in the fight if there the same or mixpacking

[oblique bobcat]

everything is always gonna be unbalanced

you can't fix balancing

[rough phoenix]

Non apexes mixpacking will be prey for apexes

[limber hull]

ehh, i doubt that

[oblique bobcat]

you all dislike these features even though they would make the game more fun and interesting for new players and everyone

[urban flax]

Not everyone*

[oblique bobcat]

you still get all the pvp it will never be a bird bath

[cyan flame]

That's somewhat true, but mixing would still change the balance and the approach far as I can tell. If it applies to current playables, like teno and pachy mixing, or carno and omni mixing, I don't see why it'd change with apexes if they are also pretty unique?

[limber hull]

it would make the game less fun for people who dont like pachys and carnos working together to kill every other pachy and carno

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure non apexes will be prey to apexes, mixing or not, but that does not really make mixing any better balance wise. You can't really rely on the apexes to "deal with it", nor should you have to.

[oblique bobcat]

well u could be endlessly roaming around the map alone with nobody else most of the time growing super slow or playing with a bunch of randoms in a pack and fighting together to have more fun. and they could even add some kind of weight for each dino in packs. a pack could fit 10 weight and carno take up 4 weight omni raptor 2 weight or something

[limber hull]

i like playing with a bunch of randoms in a pack, not if that pack is ruining the fun for the entire server though

omniraptor for instance

[oblique bobcat]

they dont though because everyone in the server will use other packs

[limber hull]

no?

not everyone enjoys this style of play

[oblique bobcat]

if u wanna go solo u can go solo

[urban flax]

So instead of having the game be enjoyable just force everyone to be in mixpacks ? And you think everyone will like that ?

[oblique bobcat]

no you dont have to force people to play mixpacks you can go solo

[limber hull]

and you die for it

because the mixpacks will kill you

[oblique bobcat]

not all the time play rust

[limber hull]

explain to me how the humans in rust who can share equipment can mixpack

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware there were different playable species in rust

[rough phoenix]

Apexes will be more powerful so if there in a pair they be pretty much safe if there in a pair to the point it doesn’t matter what specific apex they are

[urban flax]

I wonder how strong is Rust carno

[oblique bobcat]

ok then add a way that doesnt allow certain dinos to pair with other species

and the small ones can live together

or something lik ethat

[urban flax]

It already exists
It's called not having inter-species chat

[oblique bobcat]

that's just only being able to talk to the same speices

[cyan flame]

They will, but I don't see how that changed my statement that mixing means you can cover for otherwise designed weaknesses and limitations?

[faint folio]

I mean... I think it's pretty potato balancing for apex to be pretty much safe from everything else just because they are apex, especially in a horror survival game where you should be constantly afraid of death

[oblique bobcat]

agreed but wouldnt it be more fun to be afraid with other people?

[cyan flame]

Well, it's an apex. Or so we've been told.

[rough phoenix]

I was answering the one about why they where unique I haven’t got to the second one yet

[urban flax]

You could see it as playing as the killer in Dead by Daylight... But I agree apexes should have something to fear as well

[rough phoenix]

Idk i am pretty sure the devs said they would be that powerful

[cyan flame]

Ah, okay, apologies then, take your time!

[oblique bobcat]

cool I want them to be that powerful because then it makes the game more fun

[faint folio]

Sure. Apex means stronger than everyone else. I don't think apex should mean "safe from everything else bar hypers and other apexes regardless of group size", that's dumb

That's how you get a meta where 80% of the server plays apexes... Because it's the only choice that makes sense if you want to not be prey

[urban flax]

Tho I wonder what, apart from an apex, would threaten apexes
Allo and alberto packs maybe

[oblique bobcat]

I really want shorter nights because it's boring asf to have to use nightvision for as long as daytime cause you cant get like any pvp nobody you can see unless you are incredibly close or hear a broadcast

the only thing to do is scavenge for food and wait to grow

thats it

or use the cover of night to travel around for a diet area

[faint folio]

And also I think apex players should be scared of dying just as much as everyone else... At least enough to have to weigh the risks/benefits of picking any particular fight

[urban flax]

Nights are already quite short
But I wish they would be more interesting too
Gamma abusers are the reason we can't have nice things

[limber hull]

but that just screws over nocturnals

[rough phoenix]

The more dinosaurs they add new weaknesses and dinos to exploit them so hopefully more dinos can deal with them

[oblique bobcat]

it doesn't it's still useful

[oblique bobcat]

all you can do at night is wait to grow and get food and water

[limber hull]

the same as what you do at day lol

[oblique bobcat]

or use it as a cover to travel no pvp or action boring and all I can do is listen to spotify or watch youtube that defeats the whole purpose of the game

[rough phoenix]

Like stuff like carnivores with bleed or venom could pick one member out slowly

[oblique bobcat]

no because in day you can see other players and wait in a bush while growing to watch a fight break out and then kill the winner and win

nights should be like 5 minutes and days 15 minutes or something

or if they add seasons make it different

[urban flax]

That's way too short

[oblique bobcat]

winter nights are longer

[urban flax]

Winter ? On a tropical island ?

[oblique bobcat]

yeah

[faint folio]

Tropical climates don't have winter

[urban flax]

[rough phoenix]

Nah

[oblique bobcat]

I think they should

[rough phoenix]

I want to have fun playing dilo

[latent olive]

aw hell naw

[rough phoenix]

5 minutes too short for nocturnal dinos

[oblique bobcat]

so then night should be more visible

[latent olive]

Night time should be lengthened once more nocturnal predators are in

[latent olive]

Gamma abusers

[rough phoenix]

Nah

[urban flax]

Get out of your hole
Activate night vision
Sniff for prey
Day breaks, go back to your hole

[oblique bobcat]

I could use gamma but why would I want to ruin my precious eyes

[urban flax]

People did it all the time before

[oblique bobcat]

how u gonna sniff for prey

[oblique bobcat]

u cant sniff a stego

[latent olive]

Not you, the people who do

[faint folio]

Well, we don't currently have nocturnal dinos, so... I don't particularly think that's a strong argument. I wish they did make the night vision better though... They're basically back to legacy night vision where you have a black out radius and everything inside that is grayscale

[rough phoenix]

You forgot
Die going to get water bc night was too short to travel

[urban flax]

Footprints
Blood

[urban flax]

I wish they will find a better alternative someday

[rough phoenix]

True but the game isn’t finished so they shouldn’t waste time removing and re adding features

[urban flax]

I don't have a lot of programming knowledge, but sadly I don't really know how you could prevent gamma abuse without making the nights pitch black

[faint folio]

Footprint tracking is pretty potato right now too, and blood is entirely dependent on biting someone first

[oblique bobcat]

what u saying is get in the isle eat food and drink water then hide in a bush with no contact in chat with other players cause the chance of you finding your own species right away is really low, so you just have to wait until you grow older in a bush not fun

[urban flax]

I had an idea to add bright light sources during the night to bother gamma abusers but I was told it wouldn't work

[rough phoenix]

I wish night was more of a visibility thing instead of a radius

[urban flax]

no

[oblique bobcat]

its all the isle evrima is

[urban flax]

I didn't say the game should stay as it is forever

[latent olive]

flashbang niche plateosaurus

[rough phoenix]

Like stuff with bad night vision could barely see unless something is under moonlight and stuff with good night vision see normally

[urban flax]

I'm genuinely worried about human gameplay with current nights

[faint folio]

That would be nice

[oblique bobcat]

if nights are gonna be so long why cant they just buff night vision a whole bunch

[oblique bobcat]

night vision goggles baby

[urban flax]

Being forced to take out your flashlight as soon as the sun sets will be awful

[urban flax]

Good luck finding those

[oblique bobcat]

HMMM

[rough phoenix]

Bc then stuff who relies on ambushing the night would be useless

[latent olive]

Also considering the time that AE were active on the Island, the goggles,would probably be really low quality

[oblique bobcat]

I have an idea torches and fire should give away your location but all dinos who come near there is code in there to make them bak away cause they no idea what fire is so realistic so they get scared

[latent olive]

no

[oblique bobcat]

watch primal

[latent olive]

no

[urban flax]

no

[rough phoenix]

No

[oblique bobcat]

it make sense

[urban flax]

no

[rough phoenix]

Great show but that idea sounds really not fun

Its a video game first not a realistic dinosaur simulation

[oblique bobcat]

a cool thing to do is to make lower graphics settings for people who don't have top of the line gpus

and add render distance settings

with sliders like rust has and other higher quality games do

is bs

[rough phoenix]

There are?

[urban flax]

I didn't find primal that good honestly
I only watched a few episodes but I didn't like it enough to continue
Too many inconsistencies, and poor staging

[rough phoenix]

I used them bc my potato pc would die without them

[oblique bobcat]

I liked it a lot

[oblique bobcat]

dont u think they should add a slider for render distance and shadow quality and stuff isntead of just presets

[urban flax]

I started watching it because everyone was saying it was great but in the end I found it to be meh

[oblique bobcat]

rust had sliders other games have sliders it works better

[rough phoenix]

I watched it for the action mostly

[urban flax]

The action is cool... but makes no sense

[rough phoenix]

Presets work well enough

[oblique bobcat]

not as good as sliders

and they still have no render distance setting that's poor quality for a 30$ ue5 game

[rough phoenix]

Cool Caveman riding dinosaur is enough for me to suspend any disbelief

But different stuff bothers different people so

[urban flax]

Fair enough

[tall hearth]

The more you watch the less sense stuff makes. Which might be the point, it's an off the wall action story about a man and his "dog" (dinosaur). The last season is especially nutty, so you arent missing much if you stopped early on for those reasons.

[urban flax]

Ah, at least I'm not the only one who didn't like it

[tall hearth]

No I still loved it lmao

[lapis swallow]

I never watched it

[oblique bobcat]

I like it a lot because every episode tells something new and interesting

and it's a touching tale of a caveman and a dino a❤️

[rough phoenix]

When it comes to carnos or carnos and herbs mixpacking i think it just makes the game less fun for others when it comes to being hunted

[oblique bobcat]

how about some dinos cant mixpack

maybe only certain herbs can mixpack with certain herbs

and maybe carnivores cant mixpack at all or can mixpack but with only like one or 2 other carnivores

I feel like that would be fair

[urban flax]

Just forget it

[oblique bobcat]

and the limit to packs can be small depending on size

no I wont forget it it's a good feature and would make the game more enjoyable playing as a pack like dino

like an omni raptor should be able to team with a flying bird

that would be interesting and bird could scout

while omni is on the ground and defending with like 1 othe romni

[urban flax]

They can, and they do
But they don't need chat for that

[rough phoenix]

That sounds nice but i feel like mixpacking should be all or nothing

[urban flax]

You don't need inter-species chat for any form of "mixpacking" that isn't toxic

[oblique bobcat]

mixpacking isn't toxic

[urban flax]

It really is

[oblique bobcat]

what are you on bro

[urban flax]

On the same page as sane Isle players

[rough phoenix]

As long as something can kill someone in a mix pack and the mix pack doesn’t hunt i think its fair

[lapis swallow]

Holy maccaroni, I just had the idea for the perfect ironic #

#mixpackingishealthy

[oblique bobcat]

I would also like mix packing and proximity chat because there would be a lot of betraying and stories to tell

[urban flax]

Eat grass

[lapis swallow]

Die

[oblique bobcat]

#mixpackingishealthy

[urban flax]

What kind of game do you think The Isle is ?

[oblique bobcat]

if I was in mixpack I would betray my pack when I got high enough age

[lapis swallow]

Its a joke, mixpacking is not healthy at all

[tall hearth]

The isle is a racing game

[oblique bobcat]

maybe you're not healthy and need to seek help

[lapis swallow]

I am in fact healthy

[lucid mauve]

I was gonna argue , but i can see its not worth it here lol

[oblique bobcat]

#mixpackingishealthy

it is trust

[lapis swallow]

This man really using it as a real thing, god damn

[urban flax]

You're a troll

[oblique bobcat]

I am not

[lapis swallow]

Thats what a troll would say

[oblique bobcat]

I am legitimatly serious I want proximity chat for every species to be a thing

[urban flax]

It would be better if you were trolling

[lapis swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1103711948803158067/EzhEst.gif

[rough phoenix]

I could get interspecies proximity chat if it was like if it was very similar creatures like trike and Diablo or maia and shant

[tall hearth]

Good news, that's path of titans plan down the road.

[lapis swallow]

Nah, let them communicate through calls. Much more fun

[oblique bobcat]

path of titans is not as cool as the isle

[rough phoenix]

Like hadrosaurs mixpacking would be not as big of a problem bc they would all have similar weaknesses

[lapis swallow]

Then why make the isle like PoT?

[oblique bobcat]

how is giving proximity chat in the isle making it PoT

[urban flax]

It's a first step in the wrong direction

[lapis swallow]

Mixpacking for everyone

[limber hull]

mixpacking birdbath sim

[rough phoenix]

Worst part about pot is growth ngl

[tall hearth]

Do you know what the isle devs want their game to function like when its finished?

[oblique bobcat]

do you?

[tall hearth]

Somewhat. They want it to be similar to nature, in a way. Actual hardcoreish survival. Not babies hanging out in chat simulators.

That could work in unofficial servers tho. Once the community adds global chat on unofficials you'll be happier

[urban flax]

More like a Sci-fi game but yeah

The Isle is destined to be a sci-fi survival horror game

[tall hearth]

Sci-fi, horror, survival

[slow blaze]

they are completely different games and have different concepts you cant compare them

[faint folio]

^ I enjoy both of them a lot

For different reasons

Both on official/no rules and on unofficial/rules servers... Though I admit I've been playing a lot of rules servers recently because it has a tendency to cut the vitriol a lot

[stone mantle]

is it just me or does bullfrog give almost no food+diet to even fresh spawn deinos?

crab also gives very little to fg pteras so i'd assume it also gives nothing to a fresh spawn deino which is several times heavier

[supple gale]

The thing is that games about dinosaurs are basically like this, either you kill in order to have a good time and earn points and food, or because you're bored. And at this point there's no way to solve those problems. Because the content is not provided by the game itself, but by the people who play.
The only way is to make a real play, roles, and a sense of the real world, when you grow you continue to grow further and develop, to pump up skill and change the system of battle that you feel comfortable / Also, you have a choice - to be protection, attack, support, or a single, nesting for more points, killing siblings to lose points, protection sibling + points. That is, for any action there is a gain of points for further development, and death leads not only to the loss of time, but also to a great tragedy - the loss of a good pumped creature.
But this system is unlikely to be in any games about dinosaurs. I hope that in a couple of years me and my game development company can succeed and make such a creation xdd

[faint folio]

I mean... I think there should be mechanics that engage players beyond fighting other players. Build systems, puzzles for food/buffs/lore, etc. Worthwhile things to do beyond grow, fight, and die

[robust palm]

i dont rlly like build systems for games like this, i mean their animals well - dinos and if a dino of a species is like slow they shouldnt be able to increase their stam a bunch, or a weaker dino shouldnt be able to become super strong bc like. not realistic

[tall hearth]

The game is supposed to be fun for the player.

[grim marten]

[faint folio]

i mean building as in like a modular burrow system for burrowing animals, or a modular nest system for tree dwellers. like base building lite... just something to do creatively and customize a bit without going overboard

not something that increases stats

[stoic knoll]

Oh yes of course. By "a few hours" I meant in-game - so for example 2 hours in-game, that's only a few minutes in real life 🙂

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil knockdowns are calculated in comparison to the weight of the attacker. So some animals will knock down things 2x its weight or lower (pachy), or only knockdown things less than it (carno). You can't program it to be only able to knock down things less than one ton, because that doesn't account for juvi stages, and isn't how the system works

[maiden anvil]

Then change the system I guess. What we have now isn’t functional and it makes carno too powerful with its charge

[limber hull]

or just make it that carno can only knockdown things 50% of its size using said system lol

900kg or below (at full adult)

[maiden anvil]

Works well for me

@limber hull I actually liked your feedback so much that I changed my suggestion after it. Thank you for taking your time to comment

[barren zephyr]

@maiden anvil I dislike that idea because the last thing a carno needs is a nerf

I disagree that carno should be a small game hunter aswell

It should not be limited to that

It should be able to hunt teno

and dinos it's weight or below

any above and i can agree

[uneven mist]

It would still be able to hunt tenos and things that size

[urban flax]

You mean carno hitting things from 5+meters away and dominating the entire server is fine ?

[barren zephyr]

Of course not

[barren zephyr]

Not if it can only ram things half it's weight

[urban flax]

It could still ram tenos... but it wouldn't be auto-win when it does

[uneven mist]

It can yes, it doesn’t need its charge to kill big things and shouldn’t really imo, and should either be a stun than a full on knock down

[barren zephyr]

When I say nerf, i'm talking about stat nerfs not bugs

[urban flax]

It's more an oversight than a bug but I get it

[barren zephyr]

right now the only reason carno is as feared as it is, is because of it's broken charge

Honestly why'd they nerf carno and omni so hard without balance testing them first

[uneven mist]

Yeah I know, and it shouldn’t be as feared to things similar it’s sized, mostly small game animals should fear it + even if it can’t knock down a teno they could still kill it and it wouldn’t be an auto-win for carno

[north quiver]

agreed. I slammed a carno ramming towards me when I was a teno, and the ram went through my tail and stunned me despite the carno getting stunned too. what’s abysmal is that I was stunned for far longer than the carno, and that thing tanked so many kicks to the face two carnos can face tank a teno with ease, and the ram makes it even easier

[uneven mist]

[barren zephyr]

We already established that carnos charge was broken
As for tanking tenos kicks, I might agree

[barren zephyr]

Well I think teno should be able to be knocked down

[uneven mist]

Well I don’t, especially after the new agility buff for the carno it got while ramming

[barren zephyr]

We're not talking about the broken charge. we already know how broken it is

[uneven mist]

You know what else Is broken with carno? It’s knock down thresh hold but here we are talking about it and even soo if we aren’t talking about it we should

[north quiver]

I personally agree that it should be purely a small game hunter. I’d be fine with 3 or more carnos being able to hunt a teno (which would easily be possible because of teno’s limited stam. killing one carno with a single slam + kicks leaves it BELOW half stam. two can face tank it easily, and three would be overkill)

[barren zephyr]

What is small game to you?

Is teno small?

[limber hull]

not really no

[uneven mist]

Not really

Teno is carno sized almost so I wouldn’t count it as small game

[barren zephyr]

i was asking if he considered it small game to carno

[north quiver]

medium imo. omni and below is small in the current roster. a good marker would be anything that’s half of carno’s weight and below could be considered small

[uneven mist]

Small game I consider things below a ton so stuff like: dilo, pachy, Omni, Ava and so on and so forth

[barren zephyr]

Then I disagree, carno should not be purely a small game hunter

[north quiver]

it’d still be able to hunt things like teno, they just wouldn’t be able to stun it with rams. face tanking would still be easily done with multiple carnos, so it’d require teamwork. unless you want carno to be a successful medium-sized hunter while solo..

then I have no idea why you’d even need to have 3 carnos in a group

[barren zephyr]

No, I entirely agree it should not be able to solo a teno

[barren zephyr]

it should take 3 carnos to kill a solo teno

[north quiver]

I can agree with that

[uneven mist]

It should take 2 tbh but you can go ahead and try to solo it but it won’t be in your favor

[barren zephyr]

2-3

Depending on the tenos skill level

[north quiver]

it takes 2 right now. if both players are average. just one carno face tanking will cause the carno to die, but it leaves the teno below 50% health and below half stam

[uneven mist]

3 I see as a overkill

[barren zephyr]

Yeah maybe 2

[barren zephyr]

that def needs to be fixed

[north quiver]

I’ve been face tanked by solo carnos plenty of times (I guess they wanted to die lol they just rammed me then went into a biting fit behind me. they didn’t even try to escape or dodge my attacks), and each time, it left me very weak and low on stam. if the said carno had a buddy, it’d be game over with no chance

[north quiver]

yep

[barren zephyr]

I soloed a teno last night

one handed

Honestly imo tenos should be the same weight as a carno

[north quiver]

experienced carno players can absolutely solo tenos. good ones can solo 2+ if they know what they’re doing

[barren zephyr]

It shouldn't be that way unless the teno is bad

[north quiver]

agreed

[barren zephyr]

and i'm not even good at carno yet I was able to solo it

I even did it while eating a pizza (I changed my keybinds for one hand 🤣)

[north quiver]

[north quiver]

I’m not sure if upping their weight would be good because that might affect balancing with other playables (maybe, idk), but capping carno’s knockdown or stun to half its body weight and below would be a good start imo

[barren zephyr]

maybe 3/4 it's weight

[charred grove]

i assume my message was removed my the admins? no warning or anything? what i said is true but whatever

[icy lion]

We expect feedback to be both civil and constructive. "this game sucks" is neither

If you'd like to provide some more descriptive feedback, you can do so once the cooldown ends

[charred grove]

how's about the mixpacking? the cannibalism? the aggressive, un-instigated attacks from herbivore to herbivore just for the hell of it? i know there are no rules on the official servers but an rpg should have some in-game rules to make people rp, at least a bit more

[urban flax]

Good thing this isn't a rpg

[charred grove]

but it is an rpg

[uneven mist]

It isn’t

[urban flax]

It's a survival game

[icy lion]

Plenty of unofficial servers have ruules. You can find some shared in #unofficial-isle-communities

[barren crater]

A Teno herd? Diablo in pairs? Stuff like that. Maia, Allo & Alberto in trios. Also just playing with others is fun

[urban flax]

Community tags

[charred grove]

yes, it is a survival game but when the survival is almost impossible due to the forementioned problems with the game, it kinda makes it stupid

[barren crater]

For the future for most of that*

[north quiver]

ya don’t go to official servers to expect everyone to be a good sport and follow rules. ya go to official servers expecting misery, despair, anger, and action

[barren crater]

But stuff like Omni packs as well. Easier to stomp them in trios. Not rn though, as solo Carno does it

[charred grove]

you know what, f this game and it's community, so stupid

[limber hull]

incredible

[urban flax]

Reddit will welcome you with open arms

[barren crater]

There are unofficial servers to mitigate that and gatekeeping player actions is lame

[cyan flame]

Mixing is an issue and will hopefully be resolved at some point, or at least mitigated. Cannibalism isn't really an issue (and the ones that shouldn't do that already have penalty for eating their own kind), aggression and being attacked by something that can kill you is more or less reasonable and to be expected.

[charred grove]

cool, so some stupid censor thing wont even let me have my say. thanks guys 🙂

[urban flax]

np

[charred grove]

🖕

[urban flax]

very constructive

[limber hull]

if you were swearing enough that you needed to be censored, im not sure your say was very constructive

[charred grove]

yea well neither you nor anyone else is listening are they? you are just being passive aggressive coz you think its funny to get someone riled up when they have an opinion. you are being a bully but it doesnt matter coz im just a faceless nobody and you are wherever you are in the world not caring about anyone

i tried to be constructive, i put posts on other feedback channels, they are getting deleted, downvoted and not listened to

[urban flax]

Yes, because clearly the opinion of someone who can't express it without curse words matters

[charred grove]

and then i get attacked by cruel people who supposedly enjoy the game that i also do

i only started swearing coz you are being a bully

im sorry that you cant care for anyone other than yourself

and that you feel protected behind your dollar store monitor

[urban flax]

You don't have to be sorry, I'm happy with it

[charred grove]

cool, well now you are blocked, i cant see anything you post, and i have already forgotten your name 🙂

[north quiver]

a lot of people don’t agree with the idea of having rules (aside from no hacking) on official servers. all of your issues will be solved if you join an unofficial server with rules in #unofficial-isle-communities

[charred grove]

nah, it doesnt matter anymore. even joining an unofficial server with rules will still be the same stupid game with the same stupid mechanics and the same devs that dont listen to the community 🙂

[limber hull]

from my perspective, you're the bully here my guy

[urban flax]

No, he's not wrong, I have the habit of talking to people the same way I'm being talked to

[charred grove]

how am i being a bully?

[limber hull]

swearing, calling people names, calling the devs names, you've called everything stupid thusfar

[barren zephyr]

That's fine if you don't like the game but you don't need to go on discord and broadcast it

[charred grove]

well, none of my swearing has been posted and all i actually said was "so you are saying that the game is 'be a d i c k or be f ed by a d i c k", i havent called anyone names except that guy that was attacking me for talking, i didnt call the devs anything and im calling the game stupid because it has become stupid

[limber hull]

lmao, needing to censor bypass to prove a point

[urban flax]

Dick isn't censored, is it ?

Heh

[charred grove]

i have left feedback on the different channels voicing what i believe should be changed and my posts get deleted, or i get slammed for having an apparently unpopular opinion

[barren zephyr]

Is your feedback all about saying how bad the devs are? or how bad the game is?

Just calling the devs bad at their job is not going to do anything to help the game

[charred grove]

i havent come on here specifically to cause trouble, i voiced my opinion and in a couple places i have been ignored and in this place specifically i was being slammed for voicing my opinion

[north quiver]

slammed in what way?

[charred grove]

no i actually started tonight by saying that the carnos ram is op considering that they are the fastest animal in the game already

[north quiver]

ram is getting fixed in the next update

[charred grove]

ive also suggested ways to help with mixpacking by debuffing mixpackers dinos and buffing those that stay in their respective packs or herds

[barren zephyr]

and people disagree with that

[charred grove]

and has anyone said that? no, i just get called an idiot and someone that cant play coz i ask them to fix the ram

[barren zephyr]

Who got mad at you for you posting about the ram?

Everybody has posted about the carnos charge

So I highly doubt anyone would get mad at you for it

[limber hull]

he asked for it to be removed

[charred grove]

look, im obviously fighting a losing battle, so im gonna head off and forget that i ever wasted my time here 🙂

[north quiver]

well that explains it. ram is what makes carno, well.. carno. it just needs to be touched up on so it’s not godly

[charred grove]

apparently the game that i think would be good is going to be terrible for literally everyone else that even thinks about this game so whatever

[barren zephyr]

you don't have to play it if it's not right for you

[charred grove]

believe it or not i actually enjoy the game

[barren zephyr]

then i'm confused

what are you complaining about?

[charred grove]

but when i pachy attacks me out of nowhere as a full grown omni, breaks my leg with one hit then kills me just coz i was there (non-aggressive animal being played aggressively) and then the carno ram knocks me down when it barely touches me while the carno and i are going in the same direction which is not how physics works!!

that is what frustrates me

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I recommend playing croc or just taking a break till 6.5

they relaly made a mistake by pushing out U6

[charred grove]

even crocs are stupid coz they take so long to grow and every deino thinks you are there to attack it so they attack first or turn around and kill coz they can or whatever

[charred grove]

they really made a mistake by making the game in general

im going to bed. bye

[limber hull]

and you... like this game?

[spice lark]

lol.... there are lots of problems, to be sure... but that said, this game does have some things that, if the right decisions are made, no other game even comes close to close to, and probably wont, even if they copied homework so to speak, for a long time

[charred grove]

No I liked what it used to be. When people would gather up as Utahs and play together, when cross didn't swim down a river and eat every other croc they saw, when people would play herbies and actually be able to play without worrying about the pachy next to them killing them coz they pachy can headbutt

I like what the game used to be

[spice lark]

this game, when servers are stable, people arent hacking, min/max mix-packers arent in groups of 10+ server wiping, comes as close to a real survival game, let alone dino game as anything Ive seen, and it has really good bones... all the issues are fixable

[barren zephyr]

Nah, the game is really badly balanced but still the #1 dino game

[stone mantle]

it's one of those games where there aren't really any perfect alternatives. other dino games on the market offer different experiences compared to the isle. it's not like first person shooters, roguelikes, souls-likes, metroidvanias, etc where there are so many so if you don't like one you can just try something else within the genre

[spice lark]

This game is lucky PoT went the MMO cartoonish friendly to everyone on rails route... It really has a massive niche to soak from to try and figure its bugs and issues out, although if they dont step up and get rid of hackers, some other people who are harder working and more ambitious will see the niche and make a more serious and concerted move

[barren zephyr]

Harder working?

Isle dev team works really hard

[spice lark]

The people who need to work harder are probably the money people... The devs may be working to the bone per person

they probably need more people

[urban flax]

(Dondi had to scold Filipe once so he would stop working on weekends)
(Well once publicly, we don't know what happens all the time)

[spice lark]

although, none of us are there to see.... they certainly arent putting things out especially quickly

[stone mantle]

they're currently hiring iirc

[barren zephyr]

what?

[icy lion]

They have weekends off, but occasionally work through them

[spice lark]

I havent been playing that long, but I have been watching the game since shortly after it released. I wouldnt have wanted to play legacy(Although I did try it) I like the work they do, and you cant rush greatness, although you do gotta strike while the iron is hot. If your going to take so long between releases, youd hope for things to be especially polished... and per person, the devs may be doing superhuman work.... ultimately I respect and appreciate their vision and I certainly could never do better

[barren zephyr]

then that's proof they're working hard

[spice lark]

But its a common joke with the isle "coming soon"

[icy lion]

Yea, that's why Bubulblu brought it up

[stone mantle]

more devs in certain departments would probably help to speed things along

[urban flax]

I still plan on applying as an animator once I'm finished with my studies
Not that I have much hope but still

[stone mantle]

awesome

[spice lark]

Might be a case of needing more hands to get more done faster(Its a big project) but not wanting to sacrifice quality or vision, which I can respect

Id just hate for this game never to be what it has the capability of being

[stone mantle]

yup

#general-feedback message don't some birds like the chicken continually produce eggs even when not fertilised? could be wrong, but i would think once fertilised by a male the egg(s) would be ready to be laid?

[barren zephyr]

@robust palm I don't think it's really necessary to go that far

It's just more work

It's fine the way it is currently so i don't really see a reason to change it and take even more of the devs time

[keen lance]

why are people making so many requests? do they actually getting discussed by the devs? is there any feedback to the suggestions? i have been scrolling through the feedback discussion chat and cant find any devs talking about it here, maybe i am looking at the wrong chat

[proud coral]

There's no real way to see if they've looked at feedback directly, but they do read it and have taken suggestions in the past. Punch had mentioned he also uses a specific emote to bookmark certain ones sometimes.

Hunger flashing when near vomiting and of course the NV changes are two good examples of "recent" feedback put in game

[fleet brook]

sounds good!

[oblique bobcat]

people still play herbs and they are still very powerful like teno

[rare fractal]

Hehe

Teno? Powerful?

Pachy Carno and Omni would all like to have a word

[stone mantle]

forgot dryo

[rare fractal]

Dryo can’t kill teno

Well not unless it stands still doing nothing

[stone mantle]

you don't need to be able to kill to be powerful 😏

[proud coral]

In a proper environment, Teno is amongst the best of animals overall.

But we do not have a proper environment, we have Update 6 environment :C

Come on down to U6, we got Texas Carnos, Stun-lock McGee Pachys, broken combos, perpetually exhausted raptors, and more! 🤠 👍

[stone mantle]

LMAO

[rare fractal]

You forgot about the perpetual hellstorm that which is subadult balancing

[grand folio]

Are reactions broken again?

[stone mantle]

possible

[rain hollow]

why y'all adding ai feedback to general feedback?

[maiden anvil]

@ivory cedar bro you just don’t like your own feedback. It’s cringe man

[ivory cedar]

whats so cringe about? if i want to be a thing then i gotta give it 1 more like

you disliked the idea just because of that didnt you

[maiden anvil]

No cause that wouldn’t be mature of me. I disliked cause it makes sense to require effort into dragging

[ivory cedar]

well lets hope the others who play it dont agree with you. why are you even checking who likes a feedback? and why do you even care if i like my own feedback?

[maiden anvil]

Cause it’s cringe

And I see it more of a thing that you should let other people decide to like or not and not the one who wrote it

[ivory cedar]

like just 1 vote from me has so much to say

[maiden anvil]

Of course I won’t stop ya but I don’t think I’m the only one who’s gonna be bothered by it

[cyan flame]

No matter if it's "cringe" or not, it's nothing to argue about. Let people like or dislike their own post and don't make an issue over it.

[maiden anvil]

Fine

[cyan flame]

Doesn't matter, there's a notice in pinned about not making it an issue. So keep it to yourself, all there is.

[ivory cedar]

if you get bothered by me liking my own feedback then you got a problem mate. but i will stop talking more about this since this is a feedback discussion channel

[maiden anvil]

Thank you for making me angry now😊

[ivory cedar]

should thank yourself for allowing yourself to get angry about it 😉

[barren crater]

I also think they should remove the stamina loss when dragging a body. You're already moving at very slow speeds and are weak to any attacks.

[cyan flame]

Do people even use the dragging much?

[maiden anvil]

More that I should thank myself for not being kicked out of this discord

[barren crater]

I use it a few times here and there

[lapis swallow]

@maiden anvil do the organs give more diet then, because 40% per organ would just not cut it anymore

[limber hull]

they better

[balmy gazelle]

@limber hull @marsh reef may i ask what you dont like about the u4 lighting

[limber hull]

I think the nights are FAR too bright and we literally can't go back with anti-gamma

[balmy gazelle]

man but the current lighting sucks

its so oversaturated my eyes burn from it

[marsh reef]

sure, way too dramatic and warm like some fantasy game

gateway lighting is the right direction

[limber hull]

not in gateway, so its clear they're working on that

[barren crater]

Imo update 4 day lighting was very nice for Spiro

[balmy gazelle]

atleast you gotta admit u4 lighting at day was the goat

[barren crater]

Was nice for a tropical map, yeah

[limber hull]

yea

it was, but i wouldn't want a reversion

[marsh reef]

night was fine and day i just hated lol

[barren crater]

Still think lighting has good potential, even with anti - gamma

Gateway lighting was great imo

[balmy gazelle]

i liked day alot

[limber hull]

i hate U4 night

[balmy gazelle]

yeah it was really bright but we didnt have nv yet

[barren crater]

It worked for the time. It made it impossible to be a night hunter if it stayed. Everywhere was sorta bright iirc. Even forests had decent light for it being night

[balmy gazelle]

yeah but i imagine they would have made nights darker if it stayed for nv

[barren crater]

Definitely

[maiden anvil]

Yes that’s part of the idea

[limber hull]

@bleak bison cannibalism is a big reason as to why you can have 14 deinos in one picture

[limber hull]

deino provides the most food out of any animal in the game due to its massive weight, and it being able to cannibalise means it can get 8 tons worth of a meal out of the deino.

Along with its ability to eat rot and eat bones means that there exists no point where any of those 14 deinos would ever feel pressed for food, and even if they did, one deino would be more than enough to feed the entire group

cannibalism ironically has helped bolster both carno and deino's numbers tremendously

its existence has allowed them to rocket to insane megapack proportions with ease

failed a hunt and had a member of your megapack die? Cannibalise
need a lot of food quickly? attack one of your own kind when they don't expect it, or gang up on them, giving you piles of food
need nutrition in general? Don't worry about cannibalism debuffs
find a single adult corpse as a juvi? Easy food to AFK grow off

i fail to see how encouraging cannibalism really helps at all

you'd basically have to punish players for not cannibalising if you wanted cannibalism to not outright help the deinos from prospering

[indigo gulch]

This. It's hard to stay on full food as a deino and literally 1 dead deino (that died to a stego) can feed at least 2 fg deinos

[proud coral]

On the topic of cannibalism making things way to easy, perhaps it'd be better if cannibalizing only offered food and nothing more? 😮 Of course, this alone wouldn't solve too much since nutrients are still painfully easy to get and keep, but it's a start ;_;

Might pair well with the idea of organs being the only source of nutrients (and becoming more valuable) and food determining nutrient drain rate. So Carnos cannibalizing off of other Carnos only delay the inevitable rather than gaining from it. At some point, they'll need to actually hunt something else.

[stone mantle]

nutrient/food gain from organs would definitely need to be increased to make a system like that work, but otherwise it's an interesting idea 🤔

[proud coral]

Yeah that would also be a thing, I always leave that out ;_;

Also not my idea, it's Wavepoole's

[stone mantle]

a bigger omni pack, for example, would require bigger organs to maintain their diets, so they'd have an incentive to go after bigger prey like stego

[barren crater]

1 body can feed 4

[indigo gulch]

even worse

[barren crater]

They should lower it imo. 1 body should feed 2 (max group).

[indigo gulch]

maybe they should take the opposite approach?

[barren crater]

🤔

[indigo gulch]

remove it from diet and reduce the amount of food it gives on top of it

more crocs going to starve if they aren't actively looking for prey

[rare fractal]

I genuinely believe that the only way to prevent self reliance and overpopulation with cannibalism is for bodies of your own species to provide you significantly less food or none at all…..or just far harsher cannibalism debuffs…

The only species who shouldn’t have to worry about this are creatures who significantly struggle with hunting like Cerato

[barren crater]

Might be too harsh? Maybe if we had other large bodied semi aquatics?

[barren crater]

🤔

I’d like to see that tbf

[stone mantle]

don't remember what the phenomenon is called, but it's a bit like the time the British wanted to lower the population of king cobras in India, giving the population a monetary incentive to hunt cobras, which instead led to people breeding cobras to generate cash, increasing the population instead of decreasing it

[north quiver]

I think higher chances of vomiting would discourage it. kind of like cerato’s septic bite. if you’re more likely to lose food and nutrients, then why try it unless you’re genuinely desperate?

[stone mantle]

"cobra effect" or "perverse results/incentive"

[indigo gulch]

The amount of times I could just eat the bodies of dead deinos that died to stegos to go back to full food is ridiculous

[rare fractal]

Yeah and for something as large and invulnerable as deino is....it shouldn't even have a somewhat easy time finding food

[north quiver]

@cosmic zealot the main reason people don’t nest is because it’s incredibly taxing

No diet stacking past 100% + babies draining diet and food/water incredibly fast + annoying compies that won’t allow you to leave your nest unattended even for a minute + hatchlings taking longer to grow than freshspawns = nesting too taxing to enjoy

[cosmic zealot]

point taken but the random genders can help if a pair of players are bored, but usually they are male because they just spawned without selecting a gender. but yes I do agree the hassle of nesting with no benefits is the main issue

[stone mantle]

i usually like the challenge from nesting and it can be rewarding, but i've gotten screwed over by random compies appearing from nowhere and destroying the nest before the eggs are even done incubating because one of the parents is getting water a few metres away while the other is getting diet or whatever

[north quiver]

I’ve personally only seen more males because they have prettier colors than females, but I can see that issue too. the fact that egg wasters are a thing also doesn’t help. every nest I had, at least half or more of the people nested in either hard logged and never came back or they tried to troll by killing other hatchlings, destroying the nest, being incredibly annoying in chat, etc.

[stone mantle]

also having compy corpses stinking up your nest is no fun, especially with the flies buzzing sound effect

[cosmic zealot]

yeah when herbivore it is not fun....

[stone mantle]

yep. teno is one of those dinos where a skin you made as male will look like crap on female and vice versa 😔

[north quiver]

at least nesting on rocks will prevent compies from spawning. though you have to find a rock big enough lol

[stone mantle]

did not know that 🤔 does this trick apply to dinos that can't jump?

[north quiver]

if you can manage to somehow make it up on the rock then yes (elevated rocks where you can’t walk up them)

teno rock in swamp is a good one. the large rock on the beach near the drinkable beach puddle is also a good one

[stone mantle]

will keep this in mind, thanks 😄

pterodactylus are to become aggressive like compies according to a recent dev blog, hopefully they won't be stupid like compies are atm. also hoping that they are removed as egg-snatchers/nest-destroyers once we have a few egg-eaters like oviraptor and galli

[north quiver]

agreed. there’s absolutely no way you’re going to find an unattended nest full of eggs as an egg eater if you can’t even leave a nest for a few seconds without ai spawning in to destroy said nest lol

[stone mantle]

yep

[stray onyx]

I agree with this

[rare fractal]

Deino in particularly had just been treated with far too much grace since it was added, as a playable it’s never been presented with a significant challenge during its entire gameplay that wasn’t completely self imposed

The only thing in the game that can kill you outside of your species is stego, stego cannot kill you unless you want it to

It’s like an 8 ton overpowered ptera

With more locational relaince

[stone mantle]

that is true but i feel like adding predators/competitors for stego and deino will shift the overpopulation problem from them to another dino, so i'm not sure what a good solution would be 🤔

long growth times don't seem to deter many people from playing apexes (but they sure like to complain about it lol), since they can just almost immediately try again if they die

[proud coral]

I'm tellin' ya, nutrients are a big part of it.

[rare fractal]

It’s easy to fix because stego isn’t even overpopulated…

Just take cannibalism away from deino as a strict benefit, or maybe just all together

They’d absolutely still be killing eachother

Because now they actually have to compete for space and AI spawns

[stone mantle]

mostly going off second-hand reports tbh

i haven't really had many problems with stegos or deinos myself

[rare fractal]

Oh deinos are disgustingly overpopulated

Often times the reason why the map feels so dead is because most of the player base is playing deino

Which is just an inaccessible animal

[stone mantle]

that's fair

[rare fractal]

And yeah as you said before, you can’t add direct competition to these animals without just making another variant of the same issue

The power imbalance just gets reformed

[stone mantle]

i try to avoid crossing/drinking at The Cut since i often see/hear deinos there, and i try to find shallow and/or narrow spots whenever possible. probably a bit of luck involved as well

[rare fractal]

Oh it’s all luck

There are a few spots on the map you can drink from with reliable safety

But if you’re not drinking from those specific points your fate is just down to the mood of the deinos in the area if there are any

[stone mantle]

of all the things my luck could be spent on it's a dino game smh 😐

[limber hull]

i still like the people who say that sarco should be added as competition to deino, as if that isn't the exact same animal again but looking diffferent

[rare fractal]

(And also weaker by a significant margin, like not that it couldn’t be made but sarco would essentially just be bad deino lol)

Also the sarco sentiment feels pretty recent

Haven’t heard much of it till the past few weeks now it’s a bonified movement

[stone mantle]

isn't sarco smaller than deino?

[rare fractal]

Yes

It’s also a large gharial

Like deino would fold it unless sarco got comically buffed past it’s base

[stone mantle]

yeeeeeeeah

[rare fractal]

It’s also just lame to add an animal that contests deino on its own turf to solve its abysmal relationship with the terrestrial roster

Like that fix is such a blatant nonsequitor

You aid the deino overpopulation by adding another semi aquatic of a similar power level to draw even more players away from the terrestrials

Making the game feel even more dead without fixing the issue anyway

[stone mantle]

was thinking it could replace deino since its smaller size would make it a bit more manageable with the current roster but not if it's a specialised fish-eater i guess?

[rare fractal]

Not even necessary, deinos original size was 4 tons anyway

[stone mantle]

also methinks there would be a riot if the devs did that lmao

[rare fractal]

That’s what sucks about making mistakes a select few in the community get attached to

[stone mantle]

in game or irl?

[rare fractal]

Both, it’s original species was the 4-5 ton species

D.Rugosus as opposed to Hatcheri which it is now

[stone mantle]

huh. not sure how close the devs stick to weight estimates for other dinos but that seems odd

[rare fractal]

Pretty close

Woulda been a much better deino tbh

But nah we’re stuck with the immortal tank that Insta kills 70% of the game

[stone mantle]

honestly not sure how other semi-aquatics like bary, sucho and spino would even interact with deino (and the environment in general)

[rare fractal]

Bary and Sucho die

[stone mantle]

assuming population numbers are at least somewhat balanced

[rare fractal]

Deino swims away from spino

Super interesting compelling gameplay

[stone mantle]

the narrow rivers we have currently would not be conducive to that kind of interaction, but i have no idea what they'll look like in gateway (or in a future version of spiro)

[limber hull]

(on any map it's lame)

[stone mantle]

pretty sure the ocean biome(s) will be fleshed out at some point too but who knows what that'll be like, and there are other semi-aquatics/piscivores other than spinosaurids planned to be added at some point like austro, deinocheirus (which is more of a wader than a swimmer i believe), beipi

might've missed some, and i think teno is supposed to be a swamp dweller??

[limber hull]

i hope sucho and cherius are primarily waders god

[rare fractal]

I swear if Sucho even needs to consider deino a relevant matchup I’m gonna commit warcrimes

That’d be such a lame fight for Sucho to have to do all the time

[stone mantle]

bary as well no?

[limber hull]

bary surely has the landspeed to abandon deino on a moment's notice

[stone mantle]

sucho might not be as slow as it was in legacy whenever it's implemented

[limber hull]

i mean, i just genuinely don't want sucho in the same waters as deino

[stone mantle]

fair

[limber hull]

make it a wader

entirely seperate from deino's lifestyle

[stone mantle]

i think deinocheirus is planned to be an omnivorous wader so there's going to be some overlap between it and sucho

[limber hull]

ideally

[stone mantle]

it does seem to be slightly bigger, but hopefully sucho will have a few tricks up it sleeve that will allow it to compete with deinocheirus and not get pulverised

[limber hull]

cherius is up there, i'd imagine it can easily take down a solo sucho, but i'd also imagine sucho has more speed than it and can ovewhelm it in groups

[oblique bobcat]

why don't you guys want Tyrannosaurus Rex?

[rare fractal]

At this stage of the game I'm not sure why anyone would

[rare fractal]

anyone who's ever filed a complaint against stego is a hypocrite if they want rex

[limber hull]

true lol

[limber hull]

@plush jasper because they're done with the animations for the dinos coming this update

[plush jasper]

Fair enough but it’s still just confusing even earlier why Spino and other species were being tweaked and worked on

[limber hull]

People in the stream like seeing those animals, even if for a short bit

When they do pop up, it's usually a hyper-quick cameo and touchup

[plush jasper]

Good point

Ya I deleted it I didn’t really think about it like that 💀

[limber hull]

If they spent the entire stream working on anky which isn't planned for who knows how long, yea, that's a bit odd

But generally the far future animals rock up because people like to see them

[safe hearth]

I hope I'm not triggering a heated discussion with this 😄😅
I'm sure and have absolute trust in the devs; that they don't ruin the game.
Even though Punch said:
when a dinosaur is finished, it will released, so balancing to the roster doesn't matter (roughly speaking)
= it depends on WHERE you play.

• are you playing on the Offi server= you only encounter midtier and lower ones (for now)
• private servers, will have all available. it's up to you what kind of server you choose= one with brains or one with= kill them all

on the subject:
is the Rex and some like him, now recommended

[lucid mauve]

We already know from concept that cherius and spino will interact, so I don’t see why sucho should not. But why would sucho need to compete with cherius, I don’t need to compete with a rex if im carno even tho its in the same area. Everyone needs water so It will be stuff to interact with.
Even just by having easy food from fish it’s a good advantage. And also a grown sucho will prob make life miserable for growing spinos/deinos.

[urban flax]

Sucho/Cheirus mixpacking enjoyer

Honestly
I'm on the opinion that these two should just vibe with each other
Sucho has no business trying to kill a cheirus
And cheirus a no business trying to kill a sucho

And they should make spino and deino pay tax

[safe hearth]

I generally love such conversations about natural behavior.
if we stay with nature, then your arguments make not realy sense, because they would never have crossed paths (different time periods)

• apart from that, I support your view. 🙂

related to isle: there's no point in discussing it because we can't control how players play.
but if you want that, you have to open a roleplay server and define each dinosaur.

[rare fractal]

you can absolutely encourage specific behaviors and tendencies playable wide by just designing the playables mechanics or stats around specific environments where it'll come into contact with the animals and obstacles it's intended to engage with

[urban flax]

^

[lucid mauve]

Yea, look at beipi. If i go inland, i would put myself in disadvantages, atleast if you read how they described it

[rare fractal]

or just carno going anywhere where there's things....on....the ground

[limber hull]

I think sucho and cherius should exist to keep things out of the shallows. Deinos, spinos, barys, get the hell out. Don't even try it if you're terrestrial

[urban flax]

Yes that's what I was saying
Make them pay tax

[limber hull]

Good stuff. Hope to GOD the sucho concept art isn't it diving around and fighting deinos

[urban flax]

That would be inconsistent

Every spinosaurid so far has been shown diving around and fighting deinos

[limber hull]

I'm genuinely going to be so goddamn sad

[urban flax]

I revel in the suffering of others

[limber hull]

My only hope is that cherry facing off against sucho is indicative of them sharing space

[urban flax]

It was shown facing off against sucho ? Wasn't it a spino in the CA ?

[limber hull]

nope

they specifically made it a sucho

[lucid mauve]

that was cherius i belive

[limber hull]

they thought that cherry fighting spino was ridiculous so that's another animal spino isn't afraid of

[urban flax]

In need to see that concept again where is it

[lucid mauve]

But spino will definitely go up against cherius, not that its gonna be any cakewalk i think

[limber hull]

based on what we know, spino smacks both cherry and deino

if your name starts with deino, you run

[lucid mauve]

Did they make any new concept art ? I only seen the one where they both go face to face with claws

[urban flax]

Cherry VS Spino

[lucid mauve]

Yea that one

So for me that looks like though fight for both

[lucid mauve]

Oww, thats sucho ?

[limber hull]

yes

[lucid mauve]

Nice!

[limber hull]

its sucho being toppled over

the concept art is for cherius

[lucid mauve]

Whats trying to catch it in the water there ?

[urban flax]

bert

[limber hull]

its not really catching as much as the berto is just waltzing into death

[lucid mauve]

WHy the hell bert wanne try going for that

[limber hull]

isle player

frankly the most realistic interaction i've seen from a concept art

i dont remember what dev said it but it was said that spino kicks cherry's ass

[urban flax]

What does spino not kick the ass of ?

[limber hull]

no clue

[lucid mauve]

yea, i tho cherius would easy face off vs spino on land. I mean a fight that can go both ways

[urban flax]

In all honesty tho, the way they made spino...
We got (probably) 7 ton cheirus, VS what... 15 ton spino ?

[limber hull]

doubt it lol

i reckon unless the cherius is in its very specific shallow waters, it's dead

same with deino, completely invalidated unless within a very specific type of water source

thats what spino is now

if you're a big aquatic and not exactly where you need to be at all times, dead

[lucid mauve]

yea, im prob blinded by this picture. It looks like they evenly sized and also looks like Cherius is the aggressive dino

[prisma stump]

Would be happy to know, what you guys think about this one!
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

@brittle kiln play on unofficials, many have those exact rules

[brittle kiln]

but why the officials servers cant have basic rules too?
and im not saying to put a looot of rules.. just the basics ;-;
btw being official or unofficial the problem is that there is no replay system yet so you can't prove someone broke a rule ;-; sooo these basic rules would work more as an attempt to raise awareness among players ç_ç

[limber hull]

those rules would massively hurt the experience imho, and requires CONSTANT administration

it also creates a very toxic environment imho

lots of people yelling and screaming at each other over mistakes

[brittle kiln]

banning kos is not killing the experience but saving that experience
i mean it takes you several hours to grow a dinosaur for a player herbivores to hunt you and kill you just because they can ç_ç
I was playing as an Utah and 5 tenontos was trying to climb the rock that I was resting just to kill me wtf

[limber hull]

banning KOS leads to people not able to ambush

deinosuchus' entire gameplay is KOS, where it kills you before you can see it

[brittle kiln]

When I said KOS I mean you kill someone without ANY need
Like you have one or two carcass and still go hunting because you want to or kill another player who is nearby because you can
I think this is reeeally unfair

[limber hull]

i mean, if you have one or two carcasses, that makes a notable smell you can avoid

rules often just make the game feel really unnatural

it completely ruins my immersion whenever i get teleported to and lectured by an admin because i didnt notice the fact some random raptor had a hypsi corpse and thus i could not attack him

[brittle kiln]

Another day I was playing as baby deino and I found another deino (but he was full growth)
He had three carcasses but still when he saw me he immediately came at me to kill me
This killed my experience playing ;-;

[limber hull]

you have to play more carefully, deinos are notorious cannibals

[brittle kiln]

I know they are cannibals but bruh they already had three bodies to eat 0-0
He just killed me for fun or something like that ç_ç

[limber hull]

yep, that'll happen

[brittle kiln]

Idk.. I think the idea of ​​a server without any rules bad T^T

[limber hull]

i think the idea of having to enforce rules on officials is bad, and the inability to experience the game without conforming to some extremely silly rules also bad

[brittle kiln]

Dealing with KOS is frustrating, but apparently people are ok with that ;-;

[stone mantle]

most people aren't ok with it, but having rules on official servers would be very impractical atm

[lapis swallow]

The admins have issues keeping up with the stuck people and the hackers, that would be the last nail in the coffin for them

[brittle kiln]

if they don't consider it a problem, they could think about the servers that do and put the replay system to work
there is no way for any server to create a report system if there is no way to prove it

[urban flax]

Yeah they could
But there are more outstanding priorities right now

[brittle kiln]

Report system/Replay system should be a priorities too
Playing having to deal with toxic players or hackers is off-putting Ç_Ç

[tidal prawn]

@brittle kiln then play on private servers with rules

[brittle kiln]

thats what I said being official or unofficial the real problem is that is no replay system so you cant prove someone broke a rule ç_ç

[tall hearth]

You can prove you got rule-broke on by recording with 3rd party software, which is easy to download and get working. I used OBS when I used to care about rules on servers. Quick download, easy to use and you can just upload a short vid to youtube in no time at all to share the rb

[mint forge]

@ivory cedar
#general-feedback message
that one got to be the baddest I've seen for a long : Night hunter are meant to take advantage of the night(using their small size, larger NV, coordinate to make sure the prey never know where the attack comes from), not suddenly become over power when it comes

[whole furnace]

To everyone asking for rules on official servers: that’s what UNOFFICIAL servers are for! Don’t bring that rule crap to official just cause you’re butthurt about mixpacking or “overpacking”. Sometimes it’s darn fun to rule the server as 20 tenos xD

[mint forge]

@proud coral dw, Roadmap is going to be redone after U6.5 comes out

[stone mantle]

i agree, but it's hard finding a server with rules you like and isn't completely dead, among other things

[oblique bobcat]

@short iron that suggestion is terrible

pack mixing is a good thing if u dont like it then stop playing games about survival

[lapis swallow]

mixpacking is horrible, it ruins balance n stuff. i just think the mechanics should prevent that

[faint folio]

Unfortunately the isle is not balanced around mixpacking... It made the assumption that only same species packing will happen

The result is some combinations are really game breakingly OP

[oblique bobcat]

mixpacking is fun and it's not balanced but it's still a good thing it keeps players more interested in occasional but rare packs and follow them around and have company

all it does it make it harder to pvp that's it

and you don't even have to be a mix packer to play the game

you can just betray them later on when you grow adult or something your choice

[brittle kiln]

this game works in my pc with 20-30 fps lol
if i record the game my pc will explode XD

[oblique bobcat]

banning people for mixpacking is like banning people to team

it is exactly banning to team which is why its a bad idea

👎

[ivory cedar]

What are you talking about?😂 think you and many other misunderstood what i said. I didnt mean you get all those buffs at the same times. It was just some ideas of buffs some dinosaurs can get. Yea i agree ot will be OP if all those buffs was at the same time but that wasnt my intention to make it sound like that

[oblique bobcat]

if you get rid of kos everybody stops playing the isle

then no more killing random baby stegos

and people get bored

horrible suggestion

[brittle kiln]

indominus rex player detected XD

[short iron]

If you really think, that mixpacking is a good thing than you are either too bad or you just have no idea how broken it is.
Mixpacking ruins the game for every fair player and rules is the only thing, that can prevent people from doing it.

[oblique bobcat]

tell me how it ruins the game

[short iron]

It's broken.
Imagine a pachy breaking your leg, a carno charging you, and then if you are still alive a teno or a stego finishing you.
Or if you are in a fair fight, you are winning and your enemy just decides to jump on a small island and siting right nox to a croc, that protects it. Tell me, that you wouldn't be angry if that happens to you

And now tell me @oblique bobcat how is it not broken? How is it fair to mixpack?

[whole furnace]

Don’t put yourself in that situation to begin with. Play smart or die. Rules of Nature.

[short iron]

Yes try to run away from a sub carno, wich is faster than anything else and does more damage than you

[whole furnace]

A FG teno can easily kill a lone sub carno. Lmao