general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

If an elder was just an optional thing with minor stat mods, it wouldn't be too impressive imho

[low vapor]

Maybe I just wanna remain an adult as long as I want to until I do die

[north quiver]

that’s why I personally would make it an incredibly lengthy process that requires dedication and skill

[low vapor]

Would be sorta annoying to forcefully kill my dino just to prevent being an elder

[uneven mist]

I mean, there is the option to have bad diets so that it takes longer

[limber hull]

For what, a mild stat change that even nerfs you? Not worth it

[stone mantle]

don't have to suicide, you can complete the life cycle and start growing again

[limber hull]

If elder nerfs my speed, many dinosaurs won't even bother trying to get it

[low vapor]

This whole elders concept just kinda makes me wish elders wont get added to the game. Again, idk why I dont like it but I just dont

[limber hull]

Animals that rely on their movement to survive would be entirely punished for surviving long

[north quiver]

regrowing wouldn’t be worth it for me after dying easily because I decayed. the buffs for dying of old age should be worth it

[limber hull]

You get elder perks

Which are exclusive to dying and rebirth

[north quiver]

which is good

very good

[limber hull]

You can't get elder perks anywhere else

IDK, I think elders are fine as the "massive stat boost then decline"

Like the hyper strain, which is an even more massive stat boost, at the cost of starvation so fast you cannot possibly hope to keep up and inevitably die

[north quiver]

I can respect that view. I personally prefer no massive stat boost, and a decline only if you choose to die of age for the next life perks

[limber hull]

But then you'd never decline

People want their power rush

All this does is do exactly what the devs tried to avoid

Having players just stay in the strongest stage of life and run around RDMing everything

Might as well just let you die of old age in adult

It's the exact same

[north quiver]

exactly. if declining will be a thing, you might as well force dying of old age then because you’d be at a severe disadvantage and practically dead sooner or later because of it. that’s where my problem is. I don’t like the thought of being basically forced to regrow because of something out of player control. some people fantasize over it I suppose, but it will get annoying eventually

[limber hull]

we have no idea how bad the "weakened" elder is

it could quite literally be equal to an adult

the only thing we know is that it's weaker than elder, which is much stronger than adult

[north quiver]

I wouldn’t complain about that

[limber hull]

It will likely have a different stat balance tho, probably being heftier than a regular adult, but maybe losing out on other things, like stamina or speed due to its old age

we just dont know atm

[north quiver]

that’d be a lot more bearable. I wish we did know but it’s understandable we don’t yet because eldering is a fair ways away from now

[limber hull]

weak elder could be equal, could be slightly weaker, could be pathetic, we dont know

[urban flax]

I still hope Hypers hunger drain will be progressive, to ensure players really cannot sustain it
So a Hyper that is just "born" will just have very fast hunger drain, but as time goes your hunger bar will empty before your eyes

[north quiver]

that honestly sounds like a beautiful idea

[barren zephyr]

@plucky totem there are no rules for mixpacking and no plans for any rules rn
As for hackers, I agree they do need active admins

[urban flax]

@topaz pendant I think it makes sense that herbis can only eat fruits and vegetables, since grass and leaves wouldn't be nutritious enough to feed them
Also differentiating edible leaves from non-edible ones would be a headache

[north quiver]

a grazer playstyle for some herbivores would be interesting if they also had certain foods to occasionally seek out as a sort of supplement. kind of like cattle

[urban flax]

I don't think the life of cattle is that interesting

[north quiver]

grazer play styles would veer away from the fruit/veg style and add more variety. purely fruit/veg for every herbivore is just.. boring

[urban flax]

That's like saying purely meat/fish for every carnivore is boring

Edible plant leafs would just be reskins, nothing else

[north quiver]

that’s basically all they can eat

[north quiver]

it’d be different

[urban flax]

How so ?

[north quiver]

different as in variety

again, it’d stray from the simple veg/fruit

[urban flax]

So it doesn't matter if it's fruits or leaves
I just think leaves make less sense AND would hinder readability

[north quiver]

how so?

[urban flax]

Well not leaves exactly, but a dino whose gameplay revolves around eating grass wouldn't make much sense imo

[urban flax]

Dinos are big and move fast
They require a lot of nutrition, and grass isn't very nutritious

[north quiver]

it’d be different though, and it does happen with herbivores. Bison are big and can move fast, and they mostly eat grass. cows too, horses, etc.

[urban flax]

And they spend their whole days eating

(They're also much smaller than most dinos we have)

[north quiver]

who says the large dinos have to be the grazers? could be a smaller one

[urban flax]

I'm not certain it would be good design to have a small herbivore need to spend its whole day eating grass in the open plains

[north quiver]

grazers don’t spend all day eating

[urban flax]

Really ? Why do the cows and horses I have around my house spend their entire day grazing then ?

Well, they ruminate too but that's precisely because grass isn't nutritious enough

[north quiver]

they spend a lot of the time grazing, not all of the time. supplemental food will also prevent this “grazing all day” play style you’re worried about

[urban flax]

So what would make the grazing playstyle interesting is the part where you don't graze.
Great.

[north quiver]

personal opinion. id imagine its entire niche wouldn’t be “grazer,” it’d just be its diet. I personally don’t find the veg/fruit style interesting, but that’s me. I play the dino for its interesting abilities, not its diet

[urban flax]

No one does, diets aren't what makes a dino interesting
except in the case of ptera I guess, since it has a special mechanic for getting fish

[north quiver]

exactly. they’re just a different addition to prevent it all being the same-old, same-old. the “rinse and repeat”

[urban flax]

I'd prefer actual gameplay improvements rather than artificial variety tbh...

[north quiver]

why not both? could have the best of both worlds

[urban flax]

I don't see how you could make something both an artificial variety and an actual improvement... but that's not really what the suggestion we've been discussing was about anyways

[warped sparrow]

@wraith verge u talked about the diet grown bonus is ueless when ur full adult. but usefull when u nest and gives ur babys a good 50% push

[north quiver]

it could tie into some interesting interactions with the environment. the “grazers” could thrive where others cannot, and they cannot really thrive where there aren’t open fields. kind of like how carno is best suited for plains hunting. overgrazed fields could force them to migrate, and droughts/wildfires that destroy a good portion of grass fields can perhaps lead to some fierce competition for other foods they can eat along with migrations to better places. I’m sure there’s a lot of other possibilities I can’t even think of

[stray onyx]

@Ruasonid#3592 Carnos charge is definitely OP but that’s due to its hitbox. I personally think Carno is fine so long as the hitbox is corrected. Omni however needs more agility due to not being a Utah anymore and in the future we will get a better Utah. The second thing I wish for is less stam drain on pouncing. Not significantly less but enough to where two pounces don’t instantly drain you. Or alternatively like the Hypsi they can pounce and use the stam they do normally but regain 50% of the used pounce stam over time after releasing but nothing the additional stam usage after the initial jump to deal more damage

[faint folio]

A middle ground would be to make a few different grass food nodes-- lush grass, tall grass, wildflower cluster... Which can be used as a diet for some herbivores

[proud coral]

Actually, it was said somewhere in the past that at peak, you're stronger than the average of your species, and then weaker than the average afterwards.

So post-peak elders are prolly gonna be raisins c:

[feral solstice]

People hate the concept of forced elders but like

What if the entire process of becoming an elder was based on the average playtime of full adult combined with growth?

So if the average playtime of fulladult Deino is 4 hours, than you’d combine that with the entire growth time which is 5 hours. So that’s a total growth of 9 hours, 4 of which is elder growth to depreciation.

I’m not sure how well it’d work as a baseline but at least it’s something

Hell you could even say “twice as long as the average playtime”, and that means a total growth of 13 hours

8 of which is elder growth to depreciation

[stray onyx]

Personally I think forced elder stage is very important. It puts a nice cap on dinosaurs and dying naturally to age gives a special thing for the next time you play that species.

[thorny lynx]

Bring back sandbox pls. Who is with me?

[north quiver]

I’ll honestly never be a fan of it if elders are going to spike in power then wither into raisins stat-wise. as someone who likes to keep my dino alive as long as possible to avoid the regrow times, and also as someone who loves a level playing field for everything stat-wise, it’s just appalling. it reminds me of when Destiny tried to sunset gear people spent hours grinding for. just not my cup of tea IF eldering turns out like that

[north quiver]

that’d be a neat idea

[faint folio]

Yeah... Because I agree it's weird that dinos eat nothing but fruits and veggies that humans can generally eat (with the exception of mountain ash)

I want grazers and browsers, rooters and frugivores

[north quiver]

[faint folio]

Don't need to make literally all grass a diet, especially since different types of grass can vary between being quality feed and absolute trash/filler

Also it would be nice to have herbivore food nodes that make sense in the plains, and grass would be a great choice

[potent flower]

You can eat mountain ash/rowan, it's just not common. Unsure about sumac though

Googled it, apparently you can

I think the only truly inedible pve food out there is the coelacanth (apparently they have a protein or something in their flesh that not much living can digest anymore, although I'm betting sharks could)

[mint forge]

@summer thistle to be honest that idea kinda suxx. cuz, what if the max amount of (let's say) Deino to be in simultaneously is on and you try to get in knowing you also have one ? what would happen ? being forced to go on another server ?

[summer thistle]

I mean that you can group with

[mint forge]

ohhh, my bad, I missed that word

also isn't that already a thing ?

I remember that on legacy they already added something like that (or it was only on ruled server), so you wouldn't find a pack of 7 giga, which would also be impossible to sustain

[summer thistle]

Well on evrima for omni you can only have 8 in a group and be able to see the name tags

Just that you can change the amount of peoples name tags that you can see

[stone mantle]

group limits are already implemented

doesn't mean people will respect them

[mint forge]

server need to have rules

I once came to an utah that "acted friendly" before pouncing me so his dog a$$ carno friend could finish me off

[stone mantle]

i don't think the devs will implement rules on official servers

[proud coral]

I mean while the mixed-teaming is a bit eh, you did trust him

[mint forge]

was on a corpse, at first the guys just came pretending he wanted to eat

[proud coral]

🤷

[stone mantle]

wanting to trust members of your own species tends to be a natural human impulse lol

[proud coral]

Doesn't mean it's always a good idea

[summer thistle]

I mean the ability to change group limits without needing rules, like making groups bigger and able to see more people name tags

I’m not against killing your own species if you’re not a cannibal, I am against pretending to be friendly then killing them

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message @robust palm i guess u didnt notice the 6 hour slow mode? or read the pins? but the channel isnt for talking XD

[robust palm]

yeah lol, didnt mean to hit enter.

[violet magnet]

@sleek shuttle re: hostile structures

the announcement said that they were gonna try more "brutalist" designs, and when I Googled brutalist the very first picture I saw was this and I would..........not want to go into this building

or this
more brutalist architecture

[sleek shuttle]

I never heard it called brutalist so, but yeah this is the kinda stuff I’m talking about, seeing something like this would be terrifying and I love it

[violet magnet]

copy-paste from the announcement:
"The buildings currently in-game were built from part of this kit, so you can expect more brutalist designs of concrete and steel."

[urban flax]

@stray onyx
9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[violet magnet]

"4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them."
Except it's large dinos mixpacking and dominating servers

"6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival"
See above ^

[limber hull]

No way you can punish it logically tho

[stray onyx]

1. Yes, but making it less effective or interesting for a griefer will in some capacity reduce the amount of them or the amount of times you see them. And no, they wouldn’t lead to death.
2. The timer would be set to make it to where it would be significantly more annoying to attempt to bypass its system. Such as keeping the timer on hold for a specified amount of time.
3. I’ve never seen a fight last more than 15 minutes as ether the creature dies or the other players give up. Even so a slight debuff could be like the dino overextended it’s abilities to bring down the prey and is more tired than usual.
4. Smaller dinosaurs and herbivores are perfectly ok mixing together in herds. However, carnivore and herbivore mixing shouldn’t be.
5. Temporary, and the timer would enforce that.
6. I don’t think it does. Herbivores don’t have that issue as herbivores with other herbivores or with pterosaurs but carnivores do. Typically carnivores want to avoid each other and like before only temporarily tolerate each other in some hunting cases.
7. While true this would also affect them and would not be very effective as they too would endure the same debuffs. 8. Typically I never see a dinosaur stay in one spot besides dienos for longer than 10-15 minutes unless they are in the open which negates the hiding factor.
8. While true in most cases this would also mean the troodons hallucinating toxins would be the same thing. Forcing fear and stress on the dinosaur. But since that’s a different matter, herbivores in any capacity get stressed when carnivores are around no matter what. Invoking a fight or flight response.

[urban flax]

If the timer is 15 minutes then there's no debuff
And the toxin, as it is a toxin isn't a psychological reaction. It's physical

And I thought I mentioned that griefers don't care about minor debuffs

Also when omnis hunt big things, it can last up to 45 minutes

[stray onyx]

As stated, the timer can be changed to make it more effective and not detrimental to gameplay. And yes you did mention that, but it can stack over extended periods of time to a point. The whole idea is to make griefing less than ideal and not as enjoyable. If ruining others gameplay also ruins the greifers fun then they are less inclined. And yes, Omni hunting down large animals can take a long time, as it should, in which both sides would be expectedly tired from the experience but would recover very quickly after one side dies.

[urban flax]

But you understand changing the timer also leads to punishing players who are not actually mixpacking, right ?

Combat tiredness is already a thing in the game, it's called being out of stamina

If you reduce it to 5 minutes so it's useful, then most fights will end up suffering from mixpacking debuffs

Also what kind of debuff would be detrimental enough to prevent griefers from mixpacking, but not too punishing so it isn't a problem to apply it to people who did nothing wrong ?

[rare fractal]

The mechanic is literally redundant

There's no point in making it work when if it DOES work as intended it becomes absurdly abuseable, and if it isn't working effectively it borderline doesn't exist

Why even add the system if both ends of the spectrum defeat the point of the mechanic

[urban flax]

And the middle-ground is unenjoyable for everyone

[stray onyx]

Because mentally any herbivore that isn’t 40ft tall would be stressed out by a carnivore checking it out. Take a moose and wolves for instance. Wolves are much smaller than a moose but the moose will get scared if even one shows itself and will ether A. Fight for its life or B. Run for the hills.

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but we are humans. If a herd of buffalos had a brain, lions would never get a kill on them either lol

[urban flax]

That's not true. Herbivores can and will hang around carnivores who are not interested in them
Of course if said carnivore shows signs of wanting to eat you, it's stressful. But otherise no

[stray onyx]

Hence why the timer is longer than 5 minutes you can mingle for a drink or a bite of a dead corpse but beyond that you shouldn’t stick around long

[urban flax]

So no hiding, no fighting I guess ?

And why no hanging around either ?

What's wrong about a flock of dryos getting some food near a resting rex ?

Or paras and velos sharing the same nesting ground ?

[stray onyx]

Hiding requires line of sight, the debuff system again covers this with the length of the timer being longer than 5 minutes. Fighting, debuff system envokes a fight or flight response to a predator. And for hanging, if you and your friends are playing the isle, play the same dino or play herbivores to mix together in a herd. And as for the dryo example, squirrels get freaked out if you so much as move your foot slightly in their direction so a trex would be no different

[urban flax]

Afaik dryos are not squirrels, and I didn't mention playing with your friends but situations that could happen randomly in the game

And I don't get what you mean with hiding and line of sight.
First off, it doesn't since you may hear a predator and decide to hide, and if said predator stays around for longer than 5 minutes, then you need to stay hidden for longer than 5 minutes

Or the entire gameplay of Deino

[stray onyx]

If you are hidden, you in theory can’t be seen. And most predators on the look for food will move on if nothing moves. And if it happens to sit near you, you can make a move to get away and in most cases you can if you time it right. As for deino, it’s entirely ambush based. If a dinosaur is drinking or crossing it can strike and that’s nearly always the end for it.

But I am tired debating this as no matter what, I know with you you won’t budge so it’s pointless to keep blabbering on when you can’t shift an opinion

[urban flax]

That's true, I never change my opinion when I don't get good arguments. You don't seem to really grasp the amount of problems such a system would create.

[stray onyx]

I don’t see how there could be a better argument

[urban flax]

There could not, because there are no good arguments for this idea

[stray onyx]

Then what do you suggest

[urban flax]

Nothing

[lucid mauve]

In reality people will play on community servers with rules, and those who want mix packing or do whatever play either on no rules or officials

[urban flax]

Wait for an actual gamemplay loops and elements so players don't get bored and decide to kill everything in sight
An ecosystem so there's more things to do than just roam and kill

And most importanty, better balance

What are the really harmful mixpacks in the game ? Stegos and pachys, because pachys are OP
Carnos and anything else, because carnos are OP
How toxic is a raptor and dryo mixpack ? It isn't because none of these animals are OP so they don't mixpack

Most of the harm comes from the fact people don't expect them to mixpack and get jumped on by surprise
As much as I agree it's a scummy tactic, it's not game-breaking to the point of ruining everyone's experience just to reduce it

Well actually there's one thing I can suggest against mixpacking, hich is mixpacking scent

It'd be like the old megapack scent, but also apply for mixpacks

[stray onyx]

Now that’s an idea I could support

[rare fractal]

Which already exists...but sucks

Needs to be visible on Q tap

[stray onyx]

Definitely

[urban flax]

Scent as a whole isn't great right now

[stray onyx]

If you could tell where mixers were BEFORE you were near them it would benefit everyone

[rare fractal]

it's not even that I think it's too weak or too strong, it's just absurdly awkward

[stray onyx]

And yeah it really doesn’t live up to ‘scent’ rn

Anyways, I am glad we were able to agree on something, should add that to the feedback and see what people say

[wraith verge]

@stray onyx herbis mixpacking on a no rule server, what is the problem ? There ARE NO rules on official servers and people got the right to play however they want… im telling you this cuz of your suggestion, I know mixpackers suck, they bait you in and frustrate you, but that is honestly your mistake for trusting them, if you play solo you cant trust anyone. its only you and you alone. keep that in mind next time you wanna complain, its a waste of time

[stray onyx]

Thankfully that’s why we came to a better idea of how to work around it

Took a long debate but I’m happy how the debate turned out as it was productive

[lucid mauve]

If its a server with no rules and you choose to play there, then you need to expect it aswell. But it will be a good amount of community servers you can choose from.

[stray onyx]

Which is why typically I play unofficial. It would be nice if the official servers had some level of upkeep but I understand the reason of free play. It does get frustrating but any survival game does. It’s just in those instances where two OP species work together it gets to being annoying for everyone. That’s why the idea that was developed by Bubulblu was actually pretty good, a mix pack scent to alert those to their presence much like the mega pack scent. Only issue is that scent is mid at the moment but it would still be a nice addition for everyone

[tender radish]

utah draws against the carnos. The charge of the carno and too strong

sorry for my poor english

[lucid mauve]

Yea , same. Dont like megapacks or mixpackers, im fine dying to a pack of omnis or whatever but the split second its mixpack you can sorta just push the quit button instead : P

[lucid mauve]

Do you mean utah and carno is a draw 1v1 ? Then carno needs a buff : P

[tender radish]

just the load of the carno and too strong, it hits super far

[wraith verge]

this cannot and will never be true…

[kindred flame]

Why did they buffed everything and nerfed utah? It now hardly even can escape carno after getting bucked one 1 and left with 10% stamina......

[tender radish]

pumice it for 1 sec after more stam 🥲

full adult we don't have a stam you run 50m you're mid stam

[lucid mauve]

yea, i think the hitbox will be nerfed. I hope atleast, but carno should be really oppressive to omnis.

[limber hull]

confirmed to be fixed next update

[tender radish]

I agree that he must remain operative but my it's too much 😭

[tender radish]

oh cool, sure?

[limber hull]

yes

dondi confirmed it

[tender radish]

Nice, good news

[lucid mauve]

Maybe, but even in the future when more dinos are added. Omnis dont have much to fear, they can choose to leave or attack from most. Carno is prob one of the few that you actually need to look out for.

Im still not sure if troodons gonna be oppressive to omnis or the other way around : P

[tender radish]

you're probably right but for the moment he's driving me crazy

[lucid mauve]

yea the hitbox is off, but as mr dinosaur said it will be nerfed

[tender radish]

I can't wait to see this, do we know how the poison will work?

[tender radish]

Yes 🤞

[lucid mauve]

I think you need to apply venom and then wait until apply another one, so you sorta need to time it. And it will go thru stages, and if you apply venom to early or late it will cancel the stage you are on

And im guessing you would need to be in a pack to apply it, i doubt you can do it solo.

[uneven mist]

@teal schooner dilo is going to keep the nocturnal role in Ervima and it will have venom

[teal schooner]

sweet

[tender radish]

hello, do we know when the dilo will be released?

[uneven mist]

Well we don’t know exactly but it and dibble (and possibly Herrera) will be released after the update 6.5 roster so it could be before, with or after update 7 or possibly 8

[rain hollow]

@barren zephyr that is true but pachy's turn has to be even worse than the omni's turn today

[rain hollow]

nobody knows when ar eplayables actualy gonna come. maybe in 7 years?

[tender radish]

🥲

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but I said slight because chances are devs would nerf it too hard like they did omni

[rain hollow]

that is a possibility

[barren zephyr]

What they need is a balance test team

It'd make things way better

[obsidian sphinx]

Devs made some changes in movement of Omni,Hypsi,Ptera and Carno in UP 6 , all these playables feel heavy to control, momentum bleeds out fast if turns are to tight, not good experience while playing Omni and Hypsi.

[barren zephyr]

No clue why they didnt nerf pachy if they nerfed omni

[obsidian sphinx]

Pachy has best acceleration so hard to identify.

[limber hull]

they didnt nerf omni too hard at all

omni got put in quite a balanced state

carno is just busted and invalidates it

[barren zephyr]

Ik that but when you add all the other buffs into play

Pachy wasnt nerfed at all and was instead buffed

So the pachy has to be really bad or ambushed to die to a omni

[barren zephyr]

Wdym? I thought they were confirmed for U7

[obsidian sphinx]

all pachy needs is a really good turn rate while being stationary while having bad turn rate while running, forcing pachys to play defensively rather than chasing the attacker in hopes of out staming it and landing an ankle-breaking ram.

[barren zephyr]

Pachy is an herbivore it has no need for attacking so its more of a defender. People use it as an attacker rn because they can

[obsidian sphinx]

thats the point very few people know pachy is almost invincible from front but very fragile from back, strategy is to stand ur ground and let ur attackers come to u.

[barren zephyr]

So are you saying not to nerf pachys turn rate?

[obsidian sphinx]

nerf pachy turn rate while running and charging ram + running while keeping current turn rate while stationary and charging ram while stationary.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[uneven mist]

Nothing other than elder, perk and gateway is confirmed for u7

[limber hull]

i mean, thats not entirely true

pachy is built to be an "offensive herbivore"

much like cera is a defensive carnivore

[obsidian sphinx]

There is no benefit for pachys to be offensive if they can successfully defend themselves from playables 3 times their size. Or rather they are Offensive herbivores and only serve food for other carnis.

[low vapor]

If it is, it shouldn't be. At least in my opinion since it doesnt make much sense.

[urban flax]

Pachy is based on a goat
Therefore it's offensive, it makes perfect sense

[obsidian sphinx]

And how is cera going to defend corpses from other carnivores?

by 3 calling?

[urban flax]

By biting them

And making them sick

[obsidian sphinx]

then cera is offensive carnivore if all it is going to do is bite?

[urban flax]

That's not what "offensive" or "defensive" means

Offensive means you go after your opponent to kill it
Defensive means you let your opponent go to you and kill it

[obsidian sphinx]

Let that carno charge towards me so I can land a bite?

[urban flax]

Yes
You're not going to run after it, are you ?

And I never said you should let it hit you either

[barren zephyr]

Ik but itbdoesnt need to chase carnos to the ends of the earth lol

[limber hull]

you clearly aren't going to catch up to it

it has to come to you

[obsidian sphinx]

let carno chase me away from the corpse I was trying to steal from it coz i am to incompetent of a hunter coz I am defensive carnivore?

[barren zephyr]

Well i mean devs said that they were going to work on humans after U7

[limber hull]

that is true

we are getting a completely new roadmap upon U6.5's release

[barren zephyr]

I thought you meant an in game map 😂

[limber hull]

of course not, ingame map would suck lol

[barren zephyr]

Gateway is planned for U7

But not confirmed

Or....idk if its confirmed

[urban flax]

No
Just make them run away or kill them

[limber hull]

its confirmed

[barren zephyr]

If you're talking about cerato, you're not going to be chased away easily

[barren zephyr]

So gateway has a slight chance of getting in this year

[limber hull]

it has a good chance imho

[barren zephyr]

Depends on when 6.5 releases but I'm pretty sure U7 will release before or during december

[limber hull]

doubt that

[barren zephyr]

Why do you doubt that?

[limber hull]

because i dont think it will take nearly that long

[barren zephyr]

U7 or 6.5?

[limber hull]

U7

[barren zephyr]

I do

They have so much to put into that update

[limber hull]

elders and perks are already getting work and Gateway is practically finished. The biggest hurdles (UE5 port) is getting tackled in U6.5, so that leaves open room to work

[limber hull]

Stuff they've already been working on for months now

[barren zephyr]

Im pretty certain they're trying to release rex and trike upon U7's release

Thats my theory

[limber hull]

they said they wanted to work on rex and trike after herrera

[barren zephyr]

Awhile ago like 3 years ago rex was confirmed for U7

[limber hull]

If they do add rex/trike, it's because they're already in a complete enough state

[barren zephyr]

Or thats what iwas told

[limber hull]

thats a long time ago and plans have since changed

also, i dont recall that ever being the case

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure it was on their roadmap during U3

[uneven mist]

OLD roadmap and it had nesting in it with ovi too

[uneven mist]

No it was on the U1-2 roadmap. After that the roadmap changed

[barren zephyr]

Well, they said they wanted 50 or so playables

When are they going to be added

[uneven mist]

Also then they have to get dilo, dibble and Herrera before update 7 which I doubt and nothing has been said about rex and trike getting to update 7

[uneven mist]

When they are finished with the playables

[uneven mist]

And that’s still the plan

[barren zephyr]

Ik but this is my personal theory because they said rex was very close

And i always thought that rex was confirmed for U7

[uneven mist]

Close than most of the Dino’s In the roster yeah, not update 7 close. I’d imagine rex and trike will get added before, with or after update 8

[barren zephyr]

We'll see when U7 releases

[uneven mist]

Still heavily doubt rex and trike will get added with u7 but you do you

[low vapor]

All i know is that gateway is gonna get added in u7 with maybe some new playables, but i doubt rex or trike would be added by then. Would be more likely for them to add herrera or allo maybe

[uneven mist]

Allo will most likely be after rex and trike

[low vapor]

ah really? i kinda see it going from smallest to biggest

what makes you think allo comes after rex and trike?

[uneven mist]

Nothing has been said about allo’s work or when it’s next, rex and trike has tho

[low vapor]

Ah ok

[uneven mist]

Right after? Don’t think so, maybe a bit later

[low vapor]

What about utahraptor? they're gonna make an accurate one, at least that's what i heard. I'm hyped for that

[uneven mist]

Nothings said about that either unfortunately

[low vapor]

Ah sad. I do hope they end up looking like the feathered utah EmilyStepp drew

[urban flax]

Utahraptor is confirmed, but there is no date for it
Hopefully we may see a concept art of it in some time

[low vapor]

Yeah, I'm hyped for the concept art alone lmao

[obsidian sphinx]

Sort of Body Camping? Herbis are good at that.

[uneven mist]

Unlike herbies cera can eat the corpse at an alarming speed so it would most likely be more annoying than a stego body camping

[urban flax]

Oh yeah
I'm so tired of bodycamping dryos

[obsidian sphinx]

if I am a hatchling cera

[uneven mist]

Hypsi body camps, I hate when that happens

[urban flax]

If you are a hatchling cera you got parents

[obsidian sphinx]

what about fresh spawn?

[urban flax]

Kill the dryo

[obsidian sphinx]

so be offensive?

[uneven mist]

🗿

[urban flax]

Being offensive or defensive also depends on the situation, you know

Also good luck finding a dryo who has decided to bodyguard when you're a juvie cera and that lets you kill it without running away afterwards

A cera isn't going to be offensive nor defensive against a rex for example
It's just gonna run for its life

[obsidian sphinx]

that is just tip of the iceberg tell that to an adult stego.

[urban flax]

That was not the tip of the iceberg, that was a ridiculous situation that I was having fun mentioning
As for stegos, there's always the option to walk away until they're bored

[obsidian sphinx]

running away is a defensive move afterall.

[urban flax]

No it's running away

In the context of animals being designed as defensive/offensive, running away is neither

It's avoiding confrontation

[obsidian sphinx]

running away is good survival tactic in survival game.

[urban flax]

I didn't say otherwise.

[stray onyx]

There is the term “defensive-running” which would apply to the dryo since its entire strategy of staying alive is running and dodging bites. However the same cannot be said for the rest of the isle since they don’t have any abilities that are included in running to evade danger. However I do think it can be considered defensive to run away from an imminent threat but not when you are just avoiding conflict all together, a conflict has to have started for running away to be considered defensive.

[obsidian sphinx]

The conflict is survival for both herbis and carnis.

carnis need to kill for survival

herbis need to defend for survival.

[stray onyx]

Correct which constantly is going on, however, in order to be defensive you need an offensive. If a carnivore is too busy munching on a corpse to care about your existence then when you run you are just avoiding the potential conflict but if he decides you are more tasty looking and wants to kill you and gives chase then when you run you are acting defensively against an opponent who wishes to kill you

[stray onyx]

@blissful thistle Carnos and Deinos being able to eat each other is not detrimental to the game. In fact in the real world there are examples of cannibalistic species. Alligators and crocodiles regularly kill and eat younger ones of their species.

[urban flax]

In the real world there are more cannibalistic species than non-cannibalistic ones

[stray onyx]

I can’t confirm that but I could definitely believe it

[urban flax]

Only mammals are somewhat reluctant to cannibalizing
Even then, some would happily eat their own kind
Reptiles, birds, fish and bugs simply don't care

[stray onyx]

Yeah that’s true

And since birds and reptiles are closely related to dinosaurs (even so much so I’ve heard college biology professors call birds subspecies dinosaurs) I could easily see 90% of the isle being carnivore and omnivores cannibals

[urban flax]

Yeah, the reason we have non-cannibal species is to prevent them from living off their fallen brethren (specifically omnis, who could form megapacks and suicide half of their pack on a stego and have 8 raptor bodies and 1 stego body to feed the rest)

[stray onyx]

Also because social animals typically don’t eat each other very often. Sure birds are social but the ones who eat their own young are aggressive year round, like blue jays. Ravens don’t eat others of their own kind because of their bonds which is comparable to Omni and the future troodon

[blissful thistle]

i honestly think that it just reinforces toxic gameplay, bullying(teaming up on the same species and not even eating it) and considering all of the animals are controlled by humans that the realistic part is mostly irrelevant, yes its meant to look realistic, but it's still a game, and most of the time it's very toxic.

[urban flax]

And punishing people just for killing others is punishing those who just defend themselve or couldn't tolerate that one crybaby who kept spamming in the chat for the last 15 minutes

[blissful thistle]

Considering all i was saying was to "even the playing field" with "all carnivores" and actually punish the behavior rather than support it, since the omni and ptera do still live off of their own species and the Infertility spasms hasn't stopped anything. . . . .

i don't remember ever saying anything about punishing people defending themselves or just for killing in general. . .

[urban flax]

Cannibalizing as one of those species is possible as a last resort
But since you won't get any diets for it and you have debuffs, it makes you weaker and movre vulnerable

[urban flax]

Getting a debuff from killing (not eating) someone is potentially punishing people who were just defending themselves

[blissful thistle]

Getting a debuff from killing someone was never mentioned till just now. . . .

[urban flax]

Ah sorry, I must have misread
Many people sugest such a thing

But then, cannibalism among deino and carnos serves as population control since nothing else can hunt them (and has the opposite effect on carno but that's another problem)

Anyway, some species should remain cannibalistic for the sake of gameplay

[blissful thistle]

I used people that "Team up on and kill the same species and don't even eat them" as an example of bullying, and that this whole cannibal thing just reinforces that behaviour. . thats all i was trying to say.

[mystic meteor]

help

[urban flax]

Try asking in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[uneven mist]

Try this #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[stray onyx]

Unfortunately, similar to mix packing and mega packs, there are no rules. But unlike mega and mix packs, cannibalism is something that is mechanically apart of the game to incur population control. I hate it when I die and just get teabagged as much as the next guy, happens a lot. My best advice would be to join a realism or semi-realism server to avoid that type of thing with like minded people. I’m done with the official servers specifically for the trolling and mindless killing on official servers due to the lack of behavior control.

[north quiver]

I personally prefer hard cannibalism for carno and deino purely because we don’t need more of them running around, especially with how busted carno is right now. deino has no natural predators other than other deinos right now so they’d be basically unkillable, and their populations would explode (if they’re smart enough to not stick their face into the tail of a stego). once that happens, you’re going to get a lot more people complaining about how rare food is because a good chunk of the people playing will be deino, and people will flock to safe drinking spots like they’d catch the plague from any riskier spots

[uneven mist]

@harsh breach UE5.1 port is the reason it took a bit of time and the update is in Stress test currently

[lyric vault]

There are still counters to a Sub Deino, just like a full Adult deino. A sub-Adult deino is significantly more capable by Stamina and speed than It's full grown counterpart. I get the cause of concern lies with the fact that it's basically a pocket adult but it also has less health and does less damage. It's a double sided sword, you give up maybe 2-3k more health and about 100 or so less damage in order to gain more speed and more stamina. However, a well coordinated small Carno pack, good herd of tenos, or a decent Solo Stego are fully in their range to kill a Sub Deino as well.

I don't believe that Sub-Deino is stupid OP but it preforms waaaay better than a full adult on average. But with anything there will be players who know how to use it, and players who are absolutely garbo at using it.

[harsh breach]

Ohhhh. All the human buildings? I thought it was because they decided to add galli.

[uneven mist]

No no human buildings, the migration for unreal engine 5.1

[harsh breach]

Ohhh okay. Oops. When referring to The Isle V3 map there’s the port so I got confused

[uneven mist]

There is also a port on spiro + legacy isn’t getting updated anymore

[harsh breach]

Ah okay. Thanks

[urban flax]

@smoky yacht The modular kit is not for player-built structures, it's for abandoned industrial facilities.
However, the Gen 1 (tribal humans) will be able to build some primitive structures.

[rare fractal]

The main issue with cannibalism being incentivised is that it makes a species self sufficient....which actually does the opposite of what it's hoping to achieve, it boosts their numbers

That's why deino is the most played animal atm

[north quiver]

it pisses people off enough for them to try growing something else once they get tired of dying

[stray onyx]

My suggestion is a simulation of a flow of energy. Herbivores provide more food to carnis and Carni on carni provides just a little less but cannibalism is not self sufficient enough to suffice a diet entirely composed of cannibalism

[rare fractal]

The issue isn’t dietary benefits

It’s just sustainability

Food gain is what contributes to that

That’s what makes larger groups of carnos and deinos viable

They can benefit from the failure of their peers

[proud coral]

I still think that if keeping your dino healthy was a challenge, it might be okay. Because then you'd get Carnos who feed off of other Carnos, but eventually get weaker due to lack of nutrition.

Right now though, it's pathetically easy to get a single nutrient and be totally fine. Blegh.

[rare fractal]

Unfortunately both animals that primarily benefit from cannibalism have stat irrelevant metas

So it really doesn’t matter, food is the only way to prevent their consistency unless poor diets effect stun or grab ranges

[proud coral]

Hmm

Hmmhmmhmmm 💡

Weak muscles.....less attack power.....harder to hold things or push things

Wimpy dinosaurs

[rare fractal]

Aside from Carno just needing a reduced stun range for charge, poor diets should effect that too

Ideally poor diets come as a result of cannibalism

[proud coral]

Current poor diets/malnutrition may as well not exist since you essentially have to purposely achieve it (and even then it takes ages to apply)

And cannibalism debuffs are also negligible. Wow, I bite randomly and can't use a barely used mechanic. Neat.

Pls deblopers

[rare fractal]

I’m still bugged that Carno and deino are cannibals because….gator, and Abelisaurid

Like, those two animals are arguably the worst animals to give cannibalism to

Because deino is in a closed food web and Carno has the best avoidance of any terrestrial rn

It’s just a bizarre choice

[robust palm]

i think for dienos and carnos its fine, deinos dont get good water meals that often and it is more realistic bc it does happen in the wild, carnos is eh but i mean they can be abused too by spawn killing or teaming and killing for fun but patchys do that a lot too same with a few stegos i seen, not just carnos and deinos.

[proud coral]

I like the idea of cannibalistic animals just gaining food and nothing more from cannibalism. Doesn't solve the issue of it still being too easy to live off of, but it's still a neat idea nonetheless :3

[limber hull]

carno benefits far too heavily from it tho is the issue

it doesnt NEED cannibalism. Cannibalism works better on opportunistic animals, like cera, who cannot choose their meals consistently. Carno is a competent and capable hunter.

It means that failed hunts where you lose another carno quickly become successes where you and your pack still get to eat

Omni gets no such reward for failure

[rare fractal]

Same applies to deino but in a weirder way

Beipi will actually help with that massively

[lucid mauve]

You just answered the cannibalism here, we dont have playables. If im carno, i end up fighting omnis/carnos. Im not gonna go for a stego or deino for sure. And if im croc its by far the biggest chance i meet another croc since its the onlyone who interact in the water with me .

[rare fractal]

Mhm, and it’s not even just interaction frequency as much as it is the benefits from killing your own kind and how that plays into a number of other factors…
I think the primary dilemma is why make a dino cannibalistic with incentive? Whether that just be for food or for diets.

I think fundamentally you should only ever give cannibalism to the worst predators, the animals that suck at getting their own food.
That’s why Cerato is such a good candidate, it borderline relies upon the success of other predators to eat, and it’s remarkably slow and obvious, so naturally cannibalism slots in as a safety net to ensure their playstyle isn’t as cruel as it otherwise would be.

Deino somewhat does and doesn’t fall into that range…

Deino SHOULD be solitary, but works incredibly well in groups, but is also incentivized to cannibalize, so what this becomes is groups of deinos forming more often than they kill eachother, and then once one dies it feeds everyone

That on top of the aforementioned lack of playables

But I think it moreso has to do with deino needing to be terrible in groups, and groups actively making deino worse as opposed to just neutral or better

Because if all of your deinos are still underwater you’re not going to have any harder a time securing a lunge

In fact it’ll only be easier because you can distribute over a wider range

Your odds of success increase dramatically in groups, moreso than most other Dino’s I’d say

So yeah in some form, deino needs something about it changed, or something added to it that makes the mere presence of peers a direct conflict with your lunge viability, that way deinos will more times than not opt to at least force other deinos away from your area

Like a natural way of forming territories without the only conflict generating such behavior being competition

Because this games ecosystem isn’t unstable enough for outcompeting, the influx of new adult animals vastly outweighs the amount of any real ecosystem

The same ecological logic can’t apply directly, not should it because it’s not as intuitive, and would require growth to fundamentally take WAYYYYYYY longer

Which I don’t think would be very good….and I’m talking in the ranges of dryo taking 5 hours to grow

Minimum

[lucid mauve]

damit Fluff! i was hoping for a quick answer lol : P I will read

[rare fractal]

xD

[lone solstice]

A simple solution/change to fix the issue with deino groups is just... being able to spot them easier if they are in a group.

Many deinos in one area? the water moves around a lot, being disturbed by the many massive aquatics swimming in it. Meaning Deino groups are counterproductive that way.

Imo, deinos should only group to nest, that's it. It's big and strong enough to not be dependent on group tactics like some modern relatives who sorta "swarm" crossing prey in the rivers.

[rare fractal]

That'd be a workable solution, tho I think more needs to be done as more mobile water bodies become present

Like that wouldn't do anything for a river, because the river is already moving

[lone solstice]

That also has an easy fix in my eyes. Water bubbles. They are even implemented already, when deinos use their water sense.

So when other dinos see many bubbles they be like: "hmmm..."

[rare fractal]

Mhm, that also works

[lone solstice]

Or... hell, the deinos could just... make noise, by being uncomfortable due to other deinos around.

[rare fractal]

Mhm, preferably something visual, I certainly like the idea of water movement determining the presence of multiple deinos but for many places it simply wouldn't do anything

Same with bubbles to a certain extent unless they're given different vfx

Which is certainly possible just saying it'd be necessary for it to matter

[lone solstice]

Other solutions to the number of deinos could actually be Beipi.

[rare fractal]

Mhm, as listed beipi simply existing dilutes populations for deino

[lone solstice]

not just that, it's another element in the deino's territory.

Sure, they ain't fighting an adult, but im preeeetty sure that with the claws beipi could make some croc shoes out of small deinos. Thus reducing the number of adults, that is, IF the devs give beipi enough stats to not get oneshot by a freshspawn.

[rare fractal]

Oh it already does

Beipi would need to be bare minimum half an omnis size to not get decimated by a fresh spawn

Which it simply won't be

[lone solstice]

...Great, so you're telling me it's basically an aquatic dryo that people won't play, correct?

[rare fractal]

Ideally not, it's just got the unfortunate honor of existing solely alongside an animal it basically can't do anything to

[lone solstice]

I don't really understand that design choice then...

Why be a beipi when you do not have any reason to exist. Like... you're just being one for the sake of it. It should be able to defend itself, if it cannot fight it's main predator when said predator is in it's early stages, then what's the point?

Cause, if it cannot defend itself from a young deino, in the water, in it's terrain, then... it can't defend itself from anything, other than maybe ptera.

For example, Teno and pachy can defend themselves to an extent from their bigger, stronger predators.

it's not entirely one sided.

[rare fractal]

It's just a bizarre roster decision

It's like adding deino in the first place when nothing can engage with it and it curbstomps almost everything in the game

[limber hull]

yea probably not happening. a juvi deino likely can already lunge a beipi and grab it off the bat. Not to mention deino's natural bleed res acting to resist beipi's claws (should they be bleeding attacks primarily)

beipi CAN help dilute deino populations, and even act to counter them though, although not in the traditional sense Isle players are so used to. Rather than killing, beipi can act as a warning sign for potential deino prey items of if a deino is present

[lone solstice]

On that you have a point, they can be good warning signs... the thing is... why would you want to be a warning sign for others.

[urban flax]

Saying something can't defend from Deino so it can't defend itself from anything is a bit biased...

[limber hull]

because beipi sounds inherently more fun than deino

just on the basis of it being the way it is

i dont judge animals based on how much kills per second it gets

[rare fractal]

It's also entirely inconsistent as a defensive mechanism since that beipi could just as easily be trying to kill you through a sense of security

[limber hull]

beipi's enhanced movement, diving, unique diet and behaviours sound awesome

the "counter to deino" part is an addon at best, barely the main draw

[rare fractal]

It does have a lot more going for it than dryo

[lone solstice]

I dunno, you tell me how it's going to defend itself from an utah if it's supposed to be slow on land.

[limber hull]

it swims

[rare fractal]

By the sheer fact that beipi is feature complete outright is a huge advantage

[lone solstice]

Yes

[limber hull]

and that being said, U6.5 dryo has a lot more going on for it than U6 dryo

[urban flax]

If an omni goes into the water to try and kill a beipi, the beipi kills it

[lone solstice]

Im talking about defense, not fleeing.

[limber hull]

swims

[lone solstice]

This discussion would be way better if we had more details on it...

[limber hull]

the >100kg beipi vs the 450kg omni isnt a matchup beipi is winning

[rare fractal]

Ideally you wouldn't place yourself in a location that denies you access to water closeby

[limber hull]

beipi has the safety of the waters

[lone solstice]

Unless you have to.

[limber hull]

If deino doesn't have to, why would beipi?

[rare fractal]

It does have to leave water tbf

Dietarily it'll have to go on land that's already been mentioned

[lone solstice]

Let's remember it's a pvp game, people like killing and don't go by normal behaviours. Other beipis could bully you onto land, where an omni is waiting.

Same goes for deino, i've had to go on land a lot of times due to cannibals wanting to get my butt on a plate.

[limber hull]

It's a survival game

[lone solstice]

Yes, based on pvp, correct.

[limber hull]

Treating it as deathmatch and getting disappointed when everything doesn't conform to that isn't very productive

[rare fractal]

I don't think that applies here

[lone solstice]

Im not treating it as a deathmatch.

[urban flax]

The Isle being PvP doesn't mean anything should be able to kill everything

[rare fractal]

Again I don't think this is a deathmatch mindset argument

This is "what if beipi is forced to go on land for whatever reason, whether that be for diets or the need to escape a threat in the water it can't run from"

Which is a very realistic scenario

[urban flax]

What can a beipi not run away from in the water ?
It's been said it could avoid deinos pretty easily

[rare fractal]

Ideally it wouldn't need to spend much time there, but that is sorta to be seen as it's been stated to need to venture onto land

[rare fractal]

Other beipis primarily

I don't prefer mirror matchups being balancing outliers considering how detrimental they've been before

[urban flax]

So beipi needs to be able to kill omni so beipi cannot kill another beipi ?

[limber hull]

its like canni deinos or canni carnos, if they want you dead, and they're in a group, its more than likely going to happen

[rare fractal]

No, not once did I say that

[urban flax]

The talk was about beipi's matchup against deino and omni

[rare fractal]

Well that's why I made the topic I'm focusing clearer already, what can beipi do on land if it must go there

Which we already know it has to do, I don't want it outright soloing omnis

[urban flax]

I can be careful and hide

[lone solstice]

Nope, but it's species should be able to affect eachother in some meaningful way. Thus allowing said species to have a playerbase, and in the end, result in fun, which is what everyone wants from a game.

Tell me, what does, for example, hypsi accomplish atm? Nothing, it's just a prey item, it's pretty and that's it, barely anyone plays it at the current time due to that reason.

Now say, if hypsi could, i dunno, for hypothetics let's say it's blind is actually acidic, and it does damage, and for some reason carno's are very vulnerable to it in x growth stage. NOW they have a reason to exist, and people would play them, cause they have a role.

A non pvp hypothetic, let's say hypsies can build nests in trees, and by doing that thanks to the remains of their food, the tree gets nutrients and grows fruits. That's a non pvp role, and people would play it.

Rn additions like hypsie are irrelevant. If beipi has a role, it will be relevant.

[limber hull]

beipi does have the advantage of its size

[rare fractal]

Mhm, I do hope it is fairly capable on land tho

[limber hull]

i beyond disagree with the concept "something needs to hurt/kill something else to be worth playing"

[rare fractal]

Because being combative fodder on land and in water would be pretty lame

[lone solstice]

you didn't read the whole thing but alright xd

[limber hull]

hypsi has a plethora of planned, non-PvP features that make it sound exceptionally engaging for me

[urban flax]

Why does it have to deal damage to be interesting ?
Hypsi is feature incomplete, of course it's not interesting
It lacks its most important mechanic as well as predators in its size range, and spit is unusable

[rare fractal]

I don't see how giving hypsi combative application makes it purposeful

It's purpose is to be hypsi, what that means in the context of the game is down to what hypsi needs

And in no way does hypsi need to be combative

[limber hull]

it more than likely will throw hands with stuff in its size range, but its just VERY small

[rare fractal]

Mhm, tho I wouldn't mind if it had an exceptionally high dps under the right circumstances should something like a solo omni make a mistake when trying to kill one, like a creature that is remarkably easy to kill out of it's element but failing to do so could be quite punishing

[limber hull]

but then that quickly derails to "2 beipis kill an omni"

also pin exists

[lone solstice]

What i said was a mere hypothetic, i literally said a non pvp hypothetic, too.

what i mean with that is, that dinos without porpose are a waste of space in the roster, AT THE CURRENT TIME, in my eyes.

So, if beipi can't fight, it can't interact with the enviroment or other species, and it's just there to "be a beipi" then it's gonna be just like hypsie, where no one plays it.

[rare fractal]

yeah beipi would still be pinnable, it's power would solely be reliant on the mistakes of others

[rare fractal]

I also just don't even know what this means in the context of it being a problem

2 beipis would still consistently lose to a single omni even if 2 beipis standing perfectly still had enough combined damage to take an omni down

Being able to define a damage minimum to take an animal down in a facetank doesn't determine which side wins, especially not in a game where combat is as circumstantial as this one

I guess I just really dislike the idea of omni viewing a land beipi as effortless free food that no matter what mistakes you make upon seeing it you will kill it without concequence

Like yeah pin gg...but if you're dumb enough to miss that pin and there's 2-3 beipis you should be in trouble

[lone solstice]

Yeah... It could also lead to bad tendencies if it's that easy for em to die.

Omnis could just camp rivers and wait for the inevitable time where beipis go for X nutrient. If people actually play beipi in that scenario, that is.

[gentle flint]

They’d still have to worry about deinos..

[rare fractal]

They really don't

[lone solstice]

if the beipis are on land? why would they.

[rare fractal]

Like sure deino is threatening but it's already been made clear that beipi is more than equipped to deal with deino

[rare fractal]

Tbf sub deino is more than likely faster than beipi on land

[gentle flint]

No I mean the omnis have to, not the beipi

[lone solstice]

there's that, aswell

[rare fractal]

I don't in a million years see how omnis would have to worry about deinos when hunting a beipi that's already on land

An animal that they very well may be able to carry after they kill

[gentle flint]

They suggested that they’d camp near water, which.. it wouldn’t be wise to kill beipi near anyway lmao, that’s all I’m saying

[rare fractal]

Camping near water doesn't put you at risk of deinos

Camping near water could mean that you're 4 deino lengths from the shore in a bush just watching and waiting

[gentle flint]

If you’re spending the time pinning a beipi though, that’s enough for a deino to run up and snag both of you. If they notice, anyway

[lone solstice]

in that case the omni can just... stop pinning and run

[rare fractal]

If a deino is able to sprint from the water over to you within the literal 2 seconds it takes to dps a beipi in pin....good for them I guess

Because beipi isn't omni...it doesn't take a solid 8 seconds to kill

You could 2 tap it with bite if you really wanted to

[gentle flint]

Fair, I haven’t seen beipi yet so I don’t know for certain, I just don’t see how the getting out of the rivers (specifically in spiro of all things, I haven’t seen much of gateway either) would be considered a challenge. Just swim to somewhere you know no one populates and.. get out? Unless I’m misreading this conversation

[gentle flint]

Ah I’ve read a little more into it and you’re assuming the situation is forced, but a lot of the times for example even when a deino is forced out, they’re pretty slow and they can end up dying to a lot of things too. I’ve seen pachies and tenos kill deinos fleeing from another deino and they end up running out of stam. If you’re being forced out by a canni as a deino and a Stego is right there, they die too more often than not. It’s not a strictly beipi issue.. Though yes, deinos are more equipped to deal with it since they have better damage. I just don’t think that’s really an issue with beipi so much as it is cannibalism.

For diets? You aren’t being FORCED out at any specific location. I don’t know what all beipi has for it’s diets but I’m sincerely skeptical it’s all in one location, or even that there would be no cover in any location it could chose to get out. It will require some more learning curves I’m sure, but it’s just in the same way where everyone learns what locations are safe to drink from deinos, beipi will also learn what locations are safe to get out at.

Though I could still be misreading the conversation so feel free to correct me? I’m trying to understand.

And if the argument is that that’s not “fun” or whatnot, I know plenty of people burnt by deinos that would love to juke them any day lmao. It’s exciting to have something else in the river for once, I know it’s going to be one of the first new additions I play. Sometimes the deino play style gets boring, but you still want to have something to do with water. So, you switch it up! I think people will find ways to enjoy it. Sure maybe it won’t have a large player base after people get used to it. But as more of the roster gets added and more small dinos get added, it will have more things to interact with in their own “tier”. Some people really enjoy stepping back from the big guns every once in a while.

[rare fractal]

The primary issue is that diets become redundant if your animal isn't equipped to gain them

Ofcourse beipi could just hide

[gentle flint]

Do we know what beipi diets are? Or has that not been released yet

[rare fractal]

But I think an animal with beipis build could be more varied

[rare fractal]

We don't, we just know that at least one will definitely require venturing on land

[gentle flint]

Aren’t they omnivores? It’s pure speculation on my part but if they are I’d assume they could probably eat something from the water.

[rare fractal]

Sustenance and diets are not the same thing

Diets determine your animals health, food just keeps them alive

[gentle flint]

Will there be no diets from meat for omnivores?

[rare fractal]

Ofcourse, but that's not how diets function

Having options to find a nutrient in the water doesn't mean you can find all of your necessary nutrients in the water

It'd make about as much sense for beipi to have an inaccessible diet for teno to have it's S nutrient hard locked behind omni meat...which it can't even consume

[gentle flint]

In the current diet system all three diets really aren’t necessary. And if it’s anything like carnivores, which I know may not be the case, they could have more than one source of one diet. But I don’t know this for certain obviously. It could be like herbivores with only the one source.

[rare fractal]

Lemme put it to you this way, because what we're discussing is actually irrelevant...the devs have decided that beipi must venture onto land as apart of it's gameplay, that is confirmed...

[gentle flint]

Fair, but did they say far inland? It could just be along the lines of teno’s diets where they’re right by the river, couldn’t it?

[rare fractal]

I sincerely doubt that it's as rudimentary as walking 6 meters out of the water to eat a shoreside plant when it's been implied to require the cover of night to even perform such an act

" the beipiaosaurus uses the cover of darkness to venture farther away from water to more safely feed on vegetation."

[short iron]

@glacial breach
Even more painfull if you lose all you nutrience becouse of this bug

[rancid raptor]

@marsh wraith How is this a good idea?

Like, playable elite fishes? the ones we have rn?
Or a playable fish-like creature in the future?

[north quiver]

people want to be fish. I too desire to be fish

[limber hull]

the people demand fish

[marsh wraith]

how is it a bad idea? i have the most checkmarks out of everyone

you play as the elite fish

[urban flax]

I'm worried playable Elite Fish would be too OP

[lapis swallow]

listen man. F I S H

even if it is just for admins, it would be funny as hell

[marsh wraith]

yea exactly

and they already have the model and animations and stuff they just need to give it some buttons

[north quiver]

I wouldn’t mind playable boars too if their movements get updated to be more like the current playables movements

I wish to wreck havoc on the environment and become a menace by killing babies and eating all herbi food as walking bacon

[tall hearth]

Sounds like a job for modders

[sterile pivot]

Playing as elite fish and boars would be funny and very entertaining tbh
Reminds me of injecting avas to play and troll juvis with

[normal lotus]

I mean we will have avaceratops which has the personality of a boar

[north quiver]

specifically the walking package of bacon

[normal lotus]

I wouldn't mind if the ai of boar were more dangerous

Since irl boar are known to be absolute menaces

[north quiver]

yes

and some people in the suggestions want boars to be nerfed lol..

[normal lotus]

I saw a video of a boar tanking a 30-30 to the face

[north quiver]

make those things absolutely horrifying

I also want deer to be more fast and agile and absolutely difficult to catch. currently they’re just pathetic. a dryo can easily catch and kill one

they’re just free food for the carni population right now. doesn’t even take effort to kill a deer or boar, especially when the boar won’t attack you if you be still when it runs up on you

personally, if it were up to me, ai wouldn’t give nutrients to anything bigger than an omni. for things like carno, it’d only give food and no nutrients (which would actually force stronger playables to hunt instead of afk growing after killing a boar, deer, or goat)

[bleak bison]

That’d be boring af let’s be real,same with people wanting to play as compy

[north quiver]

then don’t play it. ez

[bleak bison]

No one would.

[stone mantle]

i would

[bleak bison]

You’d play as a fish that can’t eat or drink

And can’t do anything

[stone mantle]

i agree with your general point but i feel like there's no shortage of aggression from both herbis and carnis atm

[stone mantle]

who says it won't be able to eat?

[bleak bison]

It’s ai fish they have nothing to eat or the function to eat.

[stone mantle]

there's smaller fish

and deinos 😏

[bleak bison]

Mkay

[north quiver]

who’s saying they wouldn’t be able to be given the function to eat?

[north quiver]

I too would

[north quiver]

that’s true but it’s very easy to kill ai as a carno then afk in a bush to grow. all ai a carno will ever need can be found in lemon fields in abundance right now

I’ve done it a lot it’s incredibly easy to grow

[bleak bison]

Because there’s no point. Itd be the most boring playable in the game. Objectively.

[north quiver]

opinion

[bleak bison]

You’d play like 10 minutes then realise there’s nothing to do

There’s no way there’s an actual playable planned for the game that’d be more boring than playing as an ai fish

[north quiver]

I would love to play as a fish

[bleak bison]

Why

[stone mantle]

i feel like it'd be unrealistic to expect all juvis to hunt players for food, and by the time you reach subadult/adult as carno even the biggest ai are little more than light snacks

but yes, i don't think i'd mind if ai no longer gave you any diet once you reach a certain growth stage

[proud coral]

@severe wren Titanoboa has actually already been talked about in the past. However, snakes are very hard to do properly, especially as playables. So the devs have said if they ever add it, it likely will just be an AI hazard <:/

Though I'm sure someone would mod it to be playable

[severe wren]

Oh

[limber hull]

@grand folio you keep talking about DNA but just letting you know, the Isle isn't cloning anything

This isn't a JP situation

Rex was purpose built by AE to be the way it is, even if it's inaccurate

Most of the inaccuracies are purposeful

Apollo doesn't need a scrap of DNA

Also, realistic utah is confirmed

[grand folio]

Eh, it doesn’t really matter, also I’m just making a concept of what realistic Utah could be like, ik it’s o confirmed

This is all for fun really, in the end it really doesn’t matter that much

Really I just try to tie my suggestion into the lore so they make sence

[limber hull]

Yea I'm just trying to say

That's not how the lore is

The lore doesn't have cloning or DNA

[fierce needle]

What’s a mix packer? Like say 5 carnos? Or more like 2 stegos 3 carnos ?

[proud coral]

Mix packers are usually considered anyone teaming up with someone of a different species, so the second example. Too many of the same species is often referred to as a Megapack.

[fierce needle]

Ahh so anything above the limit is considered mix packing aswell got it

[proud coral]

Not necessarily 😮 If it's just too many of the same species going above their group limit, that's a Megapack. Mixed would require some other species to be in it

[north quiver]

the most hated mixpackers are carni x herbi mixes. herbi x herbi is usually accepted but carni x carni of a different species isn’t accepted most of the time

[fierce needle]

Ahh gotcha and mega packs are allowed?

Cause I was once in a group of 20+ stegos 😭

[proud coral]

There's no real rules against them so technically. But most people tend to dislike them <:P

[fierce needle]

Most ppl tend to dislike a lot of things about games and still play them

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-5503484

[cedar galleon]

I thought scat suggestions died out a long time ago

[proud coral]

Defecation is (so far) actually confirmed for the far future for things like tracking and I think finding gear in it (like a T.Rex ate your buddy and "left" his mangled up gun afterwards). Of course almost any time you mention it, people go absolutely crazy and maturity drops to shockingly lower than usual

[steel field]

surprisingly enough it drops even harder outside of islecord when its mentioned

[cedar galleon]

it's almost like people find it disgusting or something

[steel field]

well duh

what im saying is they somehow make it even weirder

[proud coral]

Yeah and that's fine of course But people will get to like....comically immature levels about it

[cedar galleon]

compared to the comically mature discussions taking place across the server normally

[oblique creek]

i was just tossin out some ideas for the far future. since it has been talked about before as a thing that might come. not trying to be immature about it at all lol it was a general suggestion for something other then just having it in the game for no reason. if your gonna add it theres alott of things you can do with it

[urban flax]

The suggestion is actually pretty good
Sadly since there's the word "poop" in it people are gonna get mad over it

[oblique creek]

tru, guess i shouldnt expect much else XD

[brazen dust]

to add to my request and to fix some of the problems this could generate, mainly inexperienced admins who ban innocent people or just outright malicious admins, make the current admins "head admins", admins of admins, who can ban the new admins and settle situations between admins, I know I used the word "admin" a lot but hope you understand what I am trying to say

[dapper mountain]

wouldn't be a problem the the ahh anti-cheat worked

[brazen dust]

The problem is that anti cheat while it can be effective cannot stop everything by its own, the best and only way to stop cheaters is to have both effective and available admins as well as good anti cheat

the problem lies in the fact that you cannot become an official server admin

[wraith verge]

and why is that ?

[brazen dust]

Good question, that is why I am voting for an application system for official server admin or moderator

in #general-feedback

[wraith verge]

[brazen dust]

Through an higher ranked admins in charge of the recruited ones, I mentionned it, even though I don't see it as the main problem, do you prefer having cheaters running rampant killing everyone or an admin which sure might make a mistake but would be quickly shamed and eventually banned because the guy that's gotten abused decided to tell it on the Discord

[gleaming silo]

@night spear theres a way to defend yourself from a pachy, just bait it for its bonks and alt bite it. Dont use any kicks or tail slams even though it'll stun it or you can use it when pachy missed

or try not to get baited

play defencive, etc

[night spear]

it cancels attacks

im doing pvp rn and i took no dmg against a fg teno

[urban flax]

No, they got a point. Pachy is busted in that it cancels out and override every attack. Including clawswipe

[gleaming silo]

as i just said bait it

[night spear]

...even if you do it still cancels the attack

[urban flax]

Also a teno can't really bait attacks from an animal smaller than itself
It isn't agile enough

[night spear]

it's busted and needs fixing

[gleaming silo]

well i did bait a pachy

[urban flax]

It is a well-known fight that pachy invalidates teno's existence entirely

[night spear]

fr i fked up a teno like 5 times because i kept stunning them mid attack

[gleaming silo]

not sure if water is a safe idea, or you may climb a rock if theres one near

[night spear]

it's really unfair

[urban flax]

The fact you even consider this in that matchup shows how wrong it is

[night spear]

fr

[gleaming silo]

It would be fair enought if they would FIX it BUT, if pachy will get stunned by a teno and teno gets stunned by a pachy and will have the same timer

[night spear]

i'd rather have a stun timer than get my attacks cancelled by a pachy everytime i try and defend myself

[urban flax]

The fact pachy can stun something that is over 3x its size is honestly a bit ridiculous

[limber hull]

monika has a very valid point, the pachy v teno matchup is basically an advanced form of torture for tenonto

[night spear]

thank youuuuuuuu

[urban flax]

I advocate for tiered stuns, Wavepoole here will tell you it should only stuns bigger things when fracturing

[gleaming silo]

i agree but do you want it to be an easy meal? Like if carno attacks it, the pachy will have to run? Devs can make its bonk weaker and make it as a defencive weapon

[night spear]

i was legit doing pvp and im gobsmacked by how broken it is

[urban flax]

Break then run

[limber hull]

yea its... bad

[night spear]

yeah defensive weapon until there's 4 pachys chasing down a teno that can't fight back

[urban flax]

It doesn't need to kill the carno

[limber hull]

pachy is basically the strongest animal in the game rn

[gleaming silo]

carno*

because the carnos hitbox is insane

[limber hull]

actually no, deino

[gleaming silo]

actually no, stego

[limber hull]

deino is 100% the strongest animal in the game bar none

[night spear]

deino is a slow mf

[urban flax]

ptera

[gleaming silo]

loll

[limber hull]

no, stego is below deino

in terms of overall power

[gleaming silo]

no, stego can tank 2 deinos

[night spear]

not if its head shots

[urban flax]

Stego cannot oneshot anything belo 4 tons

Stego doesn't have an environment dedicated to it in which it is perfectly safe

Stego cannot turn invisible at will

[gleaming silo]

yup, but i think its too op when stegos half of body in water and it can swing freely

[urban flax]

Stego isn't immune to bleed

[limber hull]

stego's total effective damage: 2500 (against another stego with a headshot)
deino's total effective damage: 4000 (against anything below 4 tons with a single grab)

[lapis swallow]

Oh no, another stego/deino debate

[night spear]

hitboxes gotta get fixed bro

[gleaming silo]

lol

[limber hull]

oh for sure carno is uh

carno is not great

[night spear]

i hate playing carno

[limber hull]

i love EVERYTHING about current carno besides the whole hitbox thing

[gleaming silo]

well yeah, hitboxes are goofy

[gleaming silo]

well i hate EVERYTHING they did to a carno, except the turning raidus

[lapis swallow]

And the super quick ram activation is fine?

[gleaming silo]

ofc not lmao

[lapis swallow]

Yeah, its bs

[gleaming silo]

honestly, carno is only good for canniboling

[limber hull]

cannibalism is carno's worst trait, hope its removed

makes it WAY too easy to grow them

[gleaming silo]

cannibalism is a part of the game

[limber hull]

idc if carno kills its own kind

[urban flax]

That's not the point

[limber hull]

i just think the fact it can EAT its own kind is stupid

[urban flax]

Being a cannibal allows carno packs to play like idiots and lose half their numbers but still get a meal out of it

And it contributes to the carno overpopulation

[limber hull]

kill as many other carnos as you want, keep control of your hunting grounds, but the fact carno benefits so heavily from megapacking and failing hunts because its a cannibal is laaaame

[urban flax]

Because if the entire server is playing carno, then carnos have infinite food

[gleaming silo]

honestly, i can say that im a carno canni, carno population balance is needed and killing a carno will really help u when you need food

[urban flax]

No one is against carnos killing other carnos

[barren crater]

Eating other Carno's has never solved the problem

Carno's been doing that since its release

[lapis swallow]

But them getting nutrients from their flesh is not

[limber hull]

good on you, kill as many carnos as you want, my problem is with diet

i encourage carno infighting and killing their own for dominance over hunting grounds and food, but i dont like carnos eating their own kind

[urban flax]

Isn't it interesting how cannibal species are always overpopulated ?

[gleaming silo]

3-4 carnos is overpopulating? its really rare to find a whole ass megapack of canni carnos

[lapis swallow]

3-4 carnos are fine, but if there are ten packs of 3-4 carnos on the server, there is a issue

[gleaming silo]

its a ton of times rarer than finding a megapack that will kill everything on its way except carnos

[barren crater]

Rare doesn't mean its hard and I've come across megapacks of 8. You can support huge groups easily

This is more than 8

[limber hull]

Anyway

Carnos killing carnos: Good, fine, I don't care
Carnos eating carnos: Bad, lame, learn how to hunt

[barren crater]

Probably the best way to deal with it

[barren crater]

Funnily enough, if it wasn't for cannibalism, these guys would have starved

[gleaming silo]

i support eating and killing carnos, because its a part of the game and species cant be chill and dont kill the same species as some dinos

if cera will be a canni too, dont get dissapointed

[barren crater]

Cera being a cannibal is fine. It's nothing like Carno, which has the ability to start any engagement

[lapis swallow]

I would be fine if they would get no punishment for eating their meat and nutrients from their organs

[gleaming silo]

theres no reason to talk about removing the carno from carnos diet cuz devs barely listen to community

[barren crater]

It's a great hunter, unlike Cerato

[gleaming silo]

same with other issues, like MAYBE they check balance feedback or general feedback channels but they dont discuss at least one of the feedbacks

[limber hull]

oh, i fully support that

because unlike carno, cera is an opportunist scavenger that cannot pick its meals or hunt effectively

[gleaming silo]

sooner or later people will adapt to cera and maybe cerato will be able to take down the same dinos as carno does, idk maybe not

[limber hull]

probably not

considering its slow, does low bite damage and its best form of burst damage completely reveals it to anyone nearby

[wraith verge]

honestly i just dont want cheaters in my game, anything else is fair game

[brazen dust]

exactly

[barren crater]

Pretty much seems that things like Omni & Pachy will always get away unless it's sitting down

[limber hull]

yep

and even if a teno cant run as fast as one, i cant see a cera possibly killing a teno in a chase considering tenos many stuns

[barren crater]

And high damage for its size

[icy lion]

The application form is in #rules-and-info

[brazen dust]

It is not said whether you can become official server admin or not, it only says Discord moderator, I asked Jinxly and he/she told me that official server admin is not applicable

[icy lion]

You become an official server admin by first being a moderator in this discord

So, the first step is to complete the form in #rules-and-info

[brazen dust]

aight I'll see what I can do

[brazen dust]

Sadly I am not applicable (17 years old), though I have a question : once you are a Discord moderator, how do you become an official server admin ? Is it based on experience/years of service ?

[icy lion]

It's based on experience and trust, more time spent as an admin here definitely helps

[brazen dust]

alright

I'll come back in a year then X)

[barren zephyr]

@potent flower You can go to private server

[brazen dust]

by the way when is a playable ant added ?

[whole furnace]

@candid fiber I think your suggestion is great! It’s very frustrating when I play something like a steg who is slow and fat, and other dinos eat the marigolds for some reason. It’d be nice if it was more detrimental when you eat something that’s not on your diet. Maybe one bite would be a warning, but if you ate the whole thing you’d be very sick?

[barren zephyr]

I have a really long proposal for gen 2’s and was wondering if it would be appropriate to post that in general feedback?

proposal/ way to make the gameplay fun imo

[whole furnace]

Yes absolutely :D

[icy lion]

Yup!

[barren zephyr]

awesome thanks!

[barren zephyr]

you too!

well i had more to share but there’s a 5 hour cooldown

i will just reply to part one so anyone can see both together

[proud mantle]

@urban bear i think you mean dimorphodon

[urban bear]

Yeah that thing

[barren zephyr]

prob lots of little typos but whatever

[topaz pendant]

@tribal flower modding is good but i dont think the game is dying

[tribal flower]

Well, even if it’s not, it sure is getting a boat-load of hate.

[cyan flame]

Is it?

[tribal flower]

It is, yes

[cyan flame]

And may I ask what you base that on?

Considering you got a discord full of people that in general seems more positive to the game than not, though granted there's lots of criticism, but I wouldn't call that hate, much less a lot of it.

[brazen dust]

good idea @teal schooner

however I do not know how they are getting that food though

Oh maybe make it so we have to cook it for it to give nutrients

wait I am thinking, why would you even need nutrients ? Would you start as a baby and grow or is it a run and gun the more you grow

[icy lion]

Humans won't have growth

[brazen dust]

Yeah that's what I thought, it'd be weird killing teenagers, however how is this going to work then ? Will there be a progression system ?

Will this become ARK

[icy lion]

We're not sure if they'll have a ""true"" progression system IE perks, but we know that they'll still keep the hardcore gameplay where you lose everything when you die

We also know that they'll be able to repair and maintain existing bases on the map, not not build new structures

[brazen dust]

Aight, guess there's going to be loot then

[icy lion]

Other than that it's still pretty unknown what exactly their goals will be, or if they'll have quests, etc

[brazen dust]

Damn, can't wait to roleplay as a marine

[proud coral]

There was one Dondi comment in Isle theories that may have implied some form of researching goal for humans 😮 I hope it's true.

[icy lion]

Researching and surveying goals would be awesome

[brazen dust]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/654/407/96e.gif

I guess dinosaurs will be in trouble when they meet the power of automatic weaponry

[teal schooner]

maybe

[dense nest]

Heavy in TI when

[barren zephyr]

that’s why i think they should really only have weapons that would benefit them in a human made environment

so they don’t just run into the jungle and gun down a herd

[latent olive]

Except you gotta find the weapon parts, the magazine, and lots of bullets

This whole process taking probably like 2 hours in total

[dense nest]

Tachanka in The Isle?!? LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED

[wispy fable]

too bad r6 removed his mountable turret lmao

[barren zephyr]

that’s not all that bad in terms of time

[rare fractal]

I've never understood the justification of just raw power as a tradeoff for time investment

Time investment in a survival game should give you security

Raw power can be a form of that but....it's not supposed to be imbalanced either

[limber hull]

ideally guns should be security over raw power

[proud coral]

Time should never be the main way to make something difficult. Because time isn't difficult, it's just.....tedious. That's legacy balancing! "Huehue it's hard because it's useless for 8 hours"

Unfortunately that's mostly still the case for Evrima :C

One nutrient and you're good to go

[rare fractal]

It even goes beyond that when giving influence over other players to certain classes....like I said time shouldn't guarantee influence, just security, ideally that time only exists because the tasks required to gain that security take awhile

[rain hollow]

@queen swift that is AI feedback... it isn't there for no reason

[queen swift]

Huh?

[barren zephyr]

@tame raptor sucho too. he was a midget in legacy lol

[tame raptor]

absolutely, that one slipped my mind sorry

i also noticed in-game how rex is slightly longer than a shant

[lapis swallow]

@topaz pendant I sure do love getting screwed over by RNG

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr deino isnt a croc, its a gator, and gators nest with sticks and debris

[harsh jungle]

i read this #general-feedback message
and im wondering, will humans just be eating flesh raw like twd zombies or will there be some cooking option ?

[glacial breach]

@rotund quarry saw your reddit post today you are an absolute menace lmao

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure the devs said they will need to cook things

[lapis swallow]

@fickle peak what do you mean by that? Like dieing and just respawing?

[fickle peak]

Yes

[lapis swallow]

This would destroy any fear of death

[fickle peak]

it would make the game 100x easier and 100x more players

[uneven mist]

But it’s not supposed to be easy at all

[lapis swallow]

You know how some people enjoy games that are hard

Its sometimes frustrating, but knowing you just wasted hours of anothers indivuals lifetime only for you to maul them is something special

[urban flax]

100x easier yes (which is not a good thing)
100x more players no

[fickle peak]

i mean

it would make the game more popular and more people buy gamepasses more robux for the developers

[lapis swallow]

Why?

[urban flax]

This isn't a roblox game

[lapis swallow]

Dark souls is popular, even tho its really hard

[urban flax]

You get more players by making a game good, not by making it easy

[lapis swallow]

Gosh, having to edit your comment twice is so embarassing

[fickle peak]

excuse me

tu est bete ou quoi?

[urban flax]

elaborate

[fickle peak]

non

je suis francais

you know what screw the feedback i said

[urban flax]

I know

[bright abyss]

It is easier to ask for a sanbox mode

[icy lion]

This is the discord for the Steam game called The Isle, not the roblox game called Isle

[fickle peak]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

wait what

[fickle peak]

then why doesn't it say "The isle steam official discord"

[icy lion]

This game's about dinosaurs mate

[icy lion]

Because Steam is just what it's hosted on

[fickle peak]

dinosaurws

isn't it about stan

[limber hull]

what?

[lapis swallow]

This is a certified Islecord bruh moment

[gritty lance]

So genuinely curious, why does nobody like Moonanas mod feedback?
I mean he is generally correct

[urban flax]

"Modding support" isn't a one/off switch on a game
They'd need tto spend time doing that, and that'd be wasted time because Legacy has no business being maintained

[gritty lance]

But people are already modding it and seem to have no issues doing so?

[urban flax]

Then there's no need for official mod support

[gritty lance]

Or are they just changing skins (which o assume is completely diffrent)

[urban flax]

From what I've heard from other game developers, getting mods to work with Steam Workshop is really hard

[gritty lance]

Damn. Alright then that makes sense.

Are they completely scrapping legacy still? Or just kinda reversing it (making evrima main branch and legacy a seperate one you would have to switch to)

[urban flax]

When Evrima released they said they would scrap legacy, but apparently now they want to keep it as an opt-in branch, as evrima will become the default one

[rotund quarry]

[gritty lance]

Alright that’s good

[gritty lance]

I seen it too

[limber hull]

its a massive toughie

[stone mantle]

looks like dyno is having issues again?

[vital laurel]

why is everyone so agienst offical modding getting back to legacy?

[urban flax]

Scroll up a bit and you'll know

[sterile pivot]

I just saw it too lol, glad its getting upvoted and ✅

[stone mantle]

do i ping punchpacket specifically for dyno not working or are there other people i can ping?

[rotund quarry]

Ty bbg💜 I feel like more people should be giving constructive criticism.

[rotund quarry]

Most likely cause the apparent coding “difficulty” or more players may flood back to legacy..

@stone mantle Thats how it is on legacy! That should definitely be added, like a slow fading in of the colour display.

[sterile pivot]

Agreed. I think there has been a lot of fair and constructive being put out as of late, it would be nice if the devs start paying attention to it
The game and the community relations would benefit a lot from listening to the important feedback people are giving

[rotund quarry]

I agree! Good relationships between dev teams and their community is incredibly important for the survival of their game. Especially in competitive environments, I see more and more players every day leaving for POT and BOB.

[stone mantle]

except legacy doesn't have a dynamic growth system

[sterile pivot]

Yeah! I am one of those people that left for POT. Personally the lack of engagement from the devs and the lack of new content is really what put me off. Even having the quality of graphics and lighting and lag would have kept me around, sadly nothing is really being done

[rotund quarry]

It does for the stages of growth, but its easily noticeable, until you hit 100% growth on juvie then immediate pop up in size to sub or adult lol

[rotund quarry]

True, true. I have an older laptop, i-5 core and a gtx1650, I barely get 20fps on Envrima, and a good 50-60 on Legacy. POT however is insane for lower end pcs, I get at the very least 70, which I have it capped at on high settings. Don’t get me started on the mods, I love them lol

However I am in the process of building a new tower! 3060ti with a ryzen 7 5800x! I am excited to test it on Envrima tho tbh

[sterile pivot]

I dont recall my setup but I typically get 40-60 in desolate areas where no one is at and doesnt have a lot of spawns(ai/plants), and get like 5-20 during fights and in active places. With POT i never have lag and have nice fps with high settings. The roster is so so fun and I love how each dino is so customizable with hides, skins, attacks, and diets. And omg dont get me started on the mods, the modding community is so gifted lol

[rotund quarry]

Unfortunately in center I get around 5-15fps 🥲 not too bad in empty places tho. And yes! Ive never experienced lag with POT yet! You have have great builds with any dino. The modded giga is absolutely beautiful. Acro is my favourite dino, I adore it in The Isle, but in POT it looks funky lol, but like I absolutely love the Envrima Acro, boy is gonna be an absolute unit!

[sterile pivot]

Yeah when center and NW are busy I get like 7 fps on average LOL. A lot of people have mentioned bad rubberbanding and lag on POT but honestly ive never experienced it. The only real rubberbanding I get is when diving with spino, but I think thats just a minor bug and it only happens once in awhile. I love the fact I can build a full speed spino or like a double defense amarga(Poor thing) and it can be so so different from other varients, which goes for most the roster. I play officals typically, but the sauropods, the giga, the utah,, the theri, and that new bird that is going to be released are so incredible. Im not a huge fan of the alienoid stuff but they still are pretty well made.
I really loved playing utah, acro, and theri on legacy. So happy that all 3 are in POT in the form of mods! Acro is getting a remodel on POT btw! So glad for that

[severe idol]

We don't ban speedrunners.

Sorry to disappoint.

[rotund quarry]

What? 🤣

[severe idol]

"Release" and "Date" are also not in the bot trigger portfolio. You can use them in chat.

[rotund quarry]

Was just being cautious 😉

[severe idol]

It's okay to talk about stuff as long as you're not crude or rude about it.

I hope you get the Reddit Gold you're mining for, though.

I'm rooting for you.

[rotund quarry]

All good! I don’t plan on being rude 😊
Was my first post on reddit too, I’m glad I can share my personal experience and opinions.

[severe idol]

Honestly, the other places you post in Reddit are more interesting - but what matters is you're happy.

If you think anyone's been unjustly removed, my DMs are always open. As are all the other Moderators/Administrator (or they should be, tell me if someone's isn't so I can yell at them).

[rotund quarry]

Sounds good!

[sand dome]

Anyone would love water dinos to?

[bronze vale]

I would love to see aquatic reptiles at some point. The beach environment is beautiful and utilising it with aquatics would be nice

[dusky solar]

@urban flax I am curious to know why you disagree.

[urban flax]

Dude
You don't forbid a game from an entire country just because there are hackers there

[dusky solar]

Who said I wanted that?

[urban flax]

Literally the first sentence in your feedback

[dusky solar]

No, it's not lol? I never said forbid them. I said fix the server list.

You can barely find a server without scrolling forever or already having the name.

[urban flax]

Take back both Legacy and Evrima form China .
What does that mean ?

[dusky solar]

I also said fix Evrima anti cheat.

[dusky solar]

It's a bit of a joke, however it is hinting at the Legacy server count and Chinese hacking.

[urban flax]

Joking in general feedback isn't a good idea

[dusky solar]

If you take a look at the servers, there is over 1000 fake chinese servers. If you would read the entire post you would get the context.

[dusky solar]

Also, a little humor didn't hurt anyone, idk why it's hurting you...

[urban flax]

I read it and I know what you're talking about

[urban flax]

You're expected to be at least somewhat serious here

[dusky solar]

Lol this is a game about dinosaurs... Also I am pretty serious, the server list and hacking is indeed bad.

[urban flax]

With people unironically asking for microtransactions in the game and completely deleting evrima in favor of updating legacy, if people start joking and doing irony in here it's gonna be even more tiring to read

[dusky solar]

It's fine, I don't need to change what I said for you to understand what I meant, so it sounds like a win for me. I will still stand by my point. Also you are way off topic lol, you know what I meant, idk why you are bringing up other's comments.

[urban flax]

I'm trying to teach you some etiquette but whatever

[limber hull]

also once legacy is no longer the main branch, it's history, literally

legacy won't get a beta branch, it's getting dumpstered

[dusky solar]

But currently it isn't and it doesn't seem like it will for atleast 2 years, the least they could do would be fixing it.

[limber hull]

they dont want to work on it

[urban flax]

They've apparently changed plans and want to keep it (According to Filipe)

[limber hull]

fasciniating

[dusky solar]

That's like saying well we got Minecraft 2 sometime in the next 20 years, so let's just stop fixing things now.

[limber hull]

no

thats not at all like that

because EVRIMA exists, Minecraft 2 doesn't

[dusky solar]

But it's not the main branch and only players who know how to access the newer branch can use it.

[limber hull]

Does Minecraft 2 exist tho?

Is it a seperate branch of Minecraft I was prior unaware of?

[dusky solar]

It may be simple to do, but people who buy the game aren't on the branch by default, therefore it's not the actual game, its a test.

[limber hull]

It's also the test they're putting all their development focus into

[dusky solar]

You are taking the analogy too literally and being close-minded for no reason.

[dusky solar]

If it's a "test" then they should fix the actual game.

[limber hull]

Make better analogies I guess

EVRIMA is the actual game

[dusky solar]

So is it a test, or is it the actual game?

[limber hull]

It's the WIP for the actual game they're making.

[dusky solar]

So it's a test...

[limber hull]

And legacy is done.

[dusky solar]

Not done at all lmao

[urban flax]

Any amount of time spent working on legacy is time wasted

And the community already complain that the devs are working too slow...

[limber hull]

It's done in the sense that all work for it is done, and they're turning their sights to a product they're proud of.

[dusky solar]

Lol, but they are still SELLING the LEGACY version.

[limber hull]

They're also selling EVRIMA in the same package

[dusky solar]

They aren't though. It's a beta, with no guranteed promise or future of finishing. If you think Legacy is a finished game, then the least they could do is fix their servers in an online only game lmao.

[limber hull]

I can't believe they are still SELLING the original Mario! It's old and they've made many other games past it! All games besides the modern one should be free!

[dusky solar]

Lol what? I never said that Evrima should be free?

[limber hull]

You said there's some kind of problem with selling Legacy

[dusky solar]

What is with you Evrima die-hards putting words in my mouth.

[limber hull]

Lol, but they are still SELLING the LEGACY version.

What is this supposed to mean then?

IDK how else you wanted me to interpret it

[dusky solar]

Well if they aren't gonna fix literally the base product of the game(servers for a server only online game) then whats the point in still marketing it as it is on Steam...

Just sell Evrima seperatly or make it the main branch and keep legacy on the beta tab...

[limber hull]

Lots of games have similar problems and are still sold on Steam, to act as if The Isle is responsible for their userbase on their outdated game is absurd

[urban flax]

Ah yes
Charge 20$ more to justify not working on the dead version of the game
That's a pro-marketer move

[dusky solar]

See, that's the problem with game dev nowadays. Most people see 1 do something bad and normalize it. "WEll ThaT gAMe DOes THIs sO WHaT's The DIffERENce!"

[limber hull]

This is a problem stemming from the "Chinese" part of the userbase as you said it, why must the devs be responsible for what people do in their old product they don't develop anymore?

[limber hull]

I don't want to buy EVRIMA again because of some weird problem you have

[barren crater]

Tbf, since it's the main version of the game most people play initially, you kind of have to keep it up to a good standard

[urban flax]

And the reason they made evrima is because they couldn't

[dusky solar]

But it's not their old product... It's literally marketed as the same thing. When you buy "The Isle" you are getting 1 license to The Isle. Without editing your Beta, you are on what others call "Legacy" But in all reality is the current release build of the game. Evrima is literally called The Isle-Evrima branch.

[limber hull]

But in my experience playing Legacy, I've not had such a massive glaring "China issue" that it ruined my experience

[dusky solar]

You don't see the loads of Chinese servers with a fake 300+ people.

You only care about Evrima it seems, so I don't expect you to worry about people playing the build that is technically the release build.

[limber hull]

I do see them, I just don't go onto them because they're so obviously fake. And even if you do join, you can literally disconnect

go to a real server

[barren crater]

Fair, but that's on them for keeping it as the main branch and the main thing people see when they initially buy the game from the store page. Yes gamers need to look up the games they buy, but you can't tell me the standard is good.

[dusky solar]

Finally someone with sense.

[urban flax]

I think they should've made evrima the main branch long ago but they feel it's not ready, mostly because of performance

[dusky solar]

I get they are working on Evrima, but why would they leave everyone else that wants to play what they bought to fend for themselves.

[urban flax]

Because right now you have many people playing a bad version of the game because they don't know there is a good one, but if evrima was to replace legacy right now you'd have even more people who simply can't play the game at all because evrima is too taxing on performance

[limber hull]

Because it's like working on a sequel if anything. You don't go back to constantly touch up on the old product when you're busy making the spiritual successor

[dusky solar]

Also another point that Legacy IS the main game currently is the Steam page, it's literally only Legacy marketing. There is not a single mention of Evrima on the store page.

[urban flax]

I already answered to that, working on legacy is time spent not working for anything meaningful, and people already complain that updates are going too slow

[limber hull]

It's not like they can constantly go back and fix everything wrong with legacy

[urban flax]

Imagine the shitstorm if we saw an announcement saying "we've updated legacy"

[limber hull]

Lmao true as

Absolute meltdown

[dusky solar]

I asked for 1.5 things, better server list, and anti-cheat, how is that "fixing everything" lol

[limber hull]

Man EVRIMA's anticheat don't even work how tf Legacy gonna get that

[dusky solar]

If they are gonna leave Legacy behind, the least they could of done is fix the server list lmao.

[dusky solar]

I meant for Evrima on the anti-cheat.

[barren crater]

Anti cheat is whatever. They should just purge those chinese servers though imo. It's all duplicates

[dusky solar]

Exactly

[limber hull]

How do you purge them though?

They can just make more

[dusky solar]

Remove them?

[limber hull]

Make more, ez

[urban flax]

How do you even "remove servers" ?

[dusky solar]

Remove them and add a better server lister...?

[urban flax]

Apart form IP banning an entire country ?

[limber hull]

Unless we just block all traffic from China, which is an entire can of worms I don't even wanna discuss, the servers will keep coming

[barren crater]

😰

[dusky solar]

Deny access to it... Multiple games have this, it's 2023... You can't just make a server from nothing and put it on anything. If that was the case COD would just be a bunch of random servers and not official servers...

[limber hull]

So you really wanna ban an entire nation

[urban flax]

So you're asking for Ip banning an entire country

[dusky solar]

When did I say this????

[limber hull]

"Deny access to it"

[dusky solar]

You guys are crazy is all I am gonna say...

[limber hull]

You like labelling people a lot

[dusky solar]

Denying access to a server base does not mean the entire country lmao?

You are literally putting words in my text lmao.

[urban flax]

(China is a country)

[limber hull]

China is a country yes

[dusky solar]

Correct...?

[barren crater]

So basically, rather than blocking an entire country from a game, you want to block them from specific servers and potentially a filter to not see their servers?

[limber hull]

So... What "server-base" are we blocking? China? The country, known as China?

[dusky solar]

Exactly lmao, I hope you realize that 90% of servers don't come from a single entity...

[limber hull]

Because if you block the specific servers, they will literally just make more servers with different IPs

[limber hull]

SO YOU WANT TO BLOCK CHINA?

[low canopy]

I think best way to "fix" it would be to have "smart" search that would first and foremost search servers with the best ping with your own

[limber hull]

I'm baffled pls help

[dusky solar]

I still don't see where "90% of servers don't come from a single entity" = Block all Chinese because all their servers are hosted by a single entity which is China itself...

[urban flax]

Eat grass and Die (its all the help I can provide)

[dusky solar]

Im saying deny access or remove servers that clearly are faking their player count...

[limber hull]

If you block the specific servers, they will make more on a different IP