general-feedback-discussion

[daring talon]

arent really any good ways to make that not suck, at least for the time you would be trapped

it would be interesting if it was automated, like you'd try to get a dino into a cage as a human for a tag or blood sample quest, and then it would immediately be let go, with the cage tagging/sampling it on its own, so that you couldnt just keep the dino there

maybe ill make a suggestion on that too in about 6 hours because damn thats a long ass slowmode

[plucky totem]

@barren zephyr you are a funny 1 do you think when the devs signed up to make this game that they will be working on it for the rest of their lives cus at this rate they gonna be. they gonna be collecting there pensions and making the isle 1 day

[barren zephyr]

Thank you! Yeah they might

[limber hull]

lmao dude is the only thing you do come in here to say "devs slow" lol

i dont think i've ever seen you talk about anything else

[plucky totem]

good

[limber hull]

thats not a response to the question

:P

[plucky totem]

then dont read it

[limber hull]

????

baffling

[uneven mist]

[limber hull]

idk man, i find it weird to be as obsessed with the speed of a single dev team, to the point that's all you ever talk about

find another dev team that's faster if that's what you want, idk what to tell you

[uneven mist]

Nah it has to be THIS ONE

[plucky totem]

I did not ask you to tell me anything so bye bye then.

[limber hull]

i didnt know that open forums required invitation

[uneven mist]

If you didn’t want people to talk to you, then don’t type in here

[limber hull]

whine about devspeed in someone's DMs lol

[lapis swallow]

Pass me the popcorn please

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-beguiled-side-eye-wtf-confused-pass-gif-8322586

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-18780245

[plucky totem]

salt or sweet?

[tall hearth]

If you're only gonna be negative with no actual constructive criticism, why be here at all?

[misty spire]

He’s not wrong they need to begin setting deadlines for certain fixes/updates

[lapis swallow]

they set a deadline for u6

half of the diet buffs dont even work

finish it and then release it is better

[misty spire]

So instead of

1. Doing weekly/bi-weekly bug-fixes after large updates

2. Hiring a larger team to complete updates faster

3. Making sure update is working after stress-testing before releasing updates

They should just take 6 months to release new content

[lapis swallow]

1. they wont do that rn because of the switch to ue5
2. they are hiring all the time and try to get new people

[misty spire]

You can’t do bug fixes to U6 because UE5 is coming out 💀💀💀💀

[lapis swallow]

a lot of those bugs are fixed in the ue5 version of the game

Its a weird choice, but it saves them time, I guess

[misty spire]

I don’t understand why you are running defense for devs who would prefer to not fix there game

Like 1 hotfix would cost them months of time and effort

[urban flax]

They explained why they didn't release a hotfix
They are now working on the ue5 version of the game
If they wanted to fix the bugs right now, they would need to downgrade their build back to ue4, fix the bugs, and then go back to ue5, which already has the bugs fixed
So basically for nothing

[urban flax]

I assume it would cost them around 1 or 2 weeks

[misty spire]

💀

[urban flax]

But bugfixing is unpredictable
You may change a value and it randomly fixes half your bugs, or you may have some stupid bug that you need 2 entire weeks to fix, and once you've fixed it, it generates 5 more

[misty spire]

💀

[urban flax]

Welcome to videogame development

[feral solstice]

I actually think the reason bugfixing is getting unpredictable is due to them not actually taking the time to fix the bugs before releasing content

The more you stretch out bug fixes and release new content, the more spaghetti the code will become

[icy lion]

Man I guess all that time us QA members have spent in the game wasn't real

[urban flax]

You're not real

[icy lion]

Oh fu

[feral solstice]

That’s still not my point

[urban flax]

Bugfixing isn't "getting unpredictable" it is how it is, by essence.

If bugs were predictable they wouldn't be bugs

[feral solstice]

You release bug fixes in updates that’s cool and all, but you’re releasing bug fixes with major content that also may bug out, or even continue to break the game more because you’re fixing and adding more content that may also continue to break…

[feral solstice]

And it can also get more unpredictable, no?

[urban flax]

Well they gotta add some content at some point

[feral solstice]

Exactly

And focusing on bug fixing for a month or at least a week or two and releasing the patch wouldn’t be too bad

They can still focus on content as there are multiple people in different departments

[urban flax]

They've got an entire planned for bugfixing

[icy lion]

Currently happening

[feral solstice]

Which has also taken 3 months if you take into account when the devs started working

[urban flax]

But focusing on bugfixing is a bad idea to do when all the core mechanics aren't in the game yet, because some bugfixes may become irrelevant later on

[icy lion]

The reason we can't get a bug patch at this time is due to the engine swap, we've had bug patches in the past and I'd like to see more in the future

[feral solstice]

But… they are bug fixing right now, even with the engine swap???

They literally have to, or that would make the tests in the roadmap obsolete

[icy lion]

And yea, as Bubulblu said, we're still in the "making the game" period. There's only so much time that can be diverted away from making the game when some issues might become irrelevant

[urban flax]

Yes
They are bug fixing on the new branch
The one that isn't public yet

[icy lion]

Yea? I thought I implied that but I probably wasn't very clear, sorry

[feral solstice]

My point exactly, which those bug fixes can still be shipped out into a different build

[icy lion]

I mean that an update can't be pushed to public right now because of the engine swap

[feral solstice]

While fixing the ones in UE5, it’s not too hard to do

[urban flax]

They can't be shipped to an earlier engine

[icy lion]

The game would either have to push the UE5 version unfinished, or the devs would have to backdate and work on UE4 again

It's possible that some fixes won't work the same/at all between the versions, depending on what broke and how it was fixed

[feral solstice]

You’re literally converting the build to UE5, that’s in its design. Fixing a bug and shipping it out wouldn’t still be that hard

But either way, we’ll need bugfix patches shipped out separately from content if we want to get out of this spaghetti code fiesta

Whether that’s in the next major update or sometime after 6.5

[proud coral]

They've talked about that before. I wanna say the reason they gave last time was that they'd rather have everyone focus on making the next update than have people split between working on the live build, and the next build.

But I do hope they consider smaller patches at some point.

[feral solstice]

^

Hopefully once they get that programmer finally

And also the technical programmer I think it’s called, these guys are 100% important

[barren crater]

@mental cradle but why? 🤔

[rare fractal]

Diets defined by a shopping list are lame

Diets defined by capability is more intuitive

Which is why organs even exist in the first place

[mental cradle]

it doesn't make a bit of sense that you can eat organs of a dino that is not in your diet and that it gives you nutrients, it doesn't make sense to have the list of diets if you only hunt the Dino for its organs only

[barren crater]

I can agree on the second part. I think that you should gain nutrition from whatever you're able to hunt or stumble across

If there are organs, you should be able to gain all the nutrients

[misty spire]

Then larger Dino’s would struggle getting proper diet 💀

[rare fractal]

It also just makes scavenging almost entirely redundant

[misty spire]

Nerfing ptera to the ground with that update lmao

[stone mantle]

i find it weird that eating something normal just gives you one nutrient (if on diet) but if you eat the organs you can get everything

[barren crater]

Talking about ptera. Let it be a vulture. Let it eat rotting bodies 😄

[rare fractal]

Ptera just shouldn't have food limits aside from being a carnivore

[barren crater]

Yes

ptera is unironically painful to grow when compared to other carnivores

[rare fractal]

True

Tho tbf it's only competition are deino omni and carno

Carno and deino are literally free, omni less so but still easy

[barren crater]

The HP on turtles + baby ptera damage

Also trying to catch frogs at times man lol

[icy lion]

@daring talon It's not because "children are here", it's to cut down on toxicity (and it works for that)

[grand folio]

Ankylosaur customization: Used on anky to take off its wrinkles for a more smooth or accurate look.

Is this idea any good?

[daring talon]

i have been told its because "Children are here"

[icy lion]

By who?

[daring talon]

also people are just as toxic with or without profanity

its just it takes them 15 seconds to remove the naughty words

it was a long time ago, you think id remember?

[icy lion]

As I said, cut down on. We still monitor and handle toxicity

[daring talon]

💀 ok

[smoky flame]

@analog owl Im agree with you. But is more about nerf carno, its impossible kill them if they can do a group of 4 or 5 big carnos with unlimited rams and without any penalty for miss the ram (as it happens with the raptors or the pachys after making their charge/climb). So their Km/h It is higher than its stats say, since you can practically run continuously in rush mode with a minimum cost of stamina

[smoky flame]

@coarse mural They are reworking the VN in the next update. For example an adult Carnotaurus will have a big reduction of the VN. but i think should be good a reduction in the duration of the night, I think that even if you want to incorporate changes in the VN of the dinosaurs, it is quite unpleasant already at dusk or dawn, where everything looks very dark and it is difficult to differentiate things (playing in Epic at 60fps )

[stray onyx]

What would help is making carnos easier to kill via HP and reducing their damage and making them more into scavenging and hunting small dinos as they have been theorized to do as well as making Omnis more of a hunter that preforms in some way that makes a Carno have to at least think before barging like if it lands a solid hit it will definitely reward them but missing will leave them open to being a prey opportunity as an Omni pouncing it could bleed it to death much much much easier than the current build as the Omni is literally ripping into its lungs and internals

[smoky flame]

Yes, and apart from what you have exposed under my opinion correctly. Add that to part of the ridiculous damage you do to him (yes, he bleeds out, but you have a stamina that you spend chasing your prey + the attack itself) and he has an infinite charge so as an omni you can see how the Carnos are they move away from you little by little in case they are bleeding to hide in a forest and recover. That is if he does not decide to try to charge you and knock you out to give you 2 bites and end your life (he has 20 bites and 20% life) So another option could be that if you have a high bleed your damage and speed would have a penalty up to to recover (Similar to jumping and breaking your leg, there's no point in being at 10% HP and having 100% damage and speed as if you weren't hurt.

[smoky flame]

@stable mica and i add they did the same with the blood of your group, you dont know what are you following. when it is something totally illogical in nature (removing scavenging prey) that you cannot sniff the animals in your diet (I am not saying other players because it would be unbalanced to know their continuous position). They could smell the areas or marks as occurs with the blood of AI animals. Thus being able to be more of a hunter by smell and instinct, rather than listening to where the sounds of animals come from or looking for them visually. Preventing us all from being scavengers and going after a corpse that we can smell rather than hunt an animal that we have closer to our position.

[barren crater]

A bit excessive.

[stray onyx]

What do you suggest? Not being rude just like a counter argument with a valid point. If my idea is excessive I would love information to help tone my suggestion into a proper idea that people would like to see in the game

[barren crater]

Stat wise, I'd leave Carno as is. The HP, speed & damage is fine. It fills its role as the small tier bane. I would fix the hitbox (Which was said to be fixed) & go from there. Minor changes to Carno every update to get it to a place where it's fair to the animal & other playables.

Carno should imo have a chance against everything smaller than it 1 v 1 (minus kentro & diablo)

While small groups of Omni's should see an equal threat

And Pachy's imo

by small group, I mean 3 - 4.

That's combat wise. For survival, I'd remove cannibalism. If they can't hunt other species, they starve or incur negative debuffs from eating their own. Kind of tough to really mitigate Carno anywhere else. We've had Carno need insane amounts of food before and their numbers were still high.

[stray onyx]

Something I been wanting to suggest but I’m pretty sure it get bombed is a “flow of energy” irl the purest form of energy is the sun, the sun light is absorbed by the plant and the herbivore gets some of that energy from eating said plant and the carnivore gets less energy from the herbivore and less and less as it goes up the chain. Essentially, herbivores/omnivore players and herbivore/omnivore AI are a necessity for carnivores to get better nutritional values. However carnivore on carnivore eating won’t be as sustainable as it would require more food to obtain the same nutrients. For instant you would get more nutritional value out of a Gali than you would an Omni or your own kin and is less and less effective the higher in the chain it goes effectively causing a natural importance of the herbivores. However, it wouldn’t be interesting unless herbivores themselves were in some way passively/non-combatively more interesting

[limber hull]

The idea of a small game hunter being reduced to a scavenger with low health sounds really unfair to me

[rare fractal]

It’s also just so tremendously funny to use pack wiping from a creature far larger than you within the only biome it’s effective in for evidence to suggest a nerf of said animal

Every single factor is tilted against you

Conditions can circumvent numbers advantages, you don’t just throw two numbers at eachother and assume the larger number wins

[barren crater]

lmao

Carno destroying small Omni packs in the open is fair. Look at the matchup in the forest

[rare fractal]

Small Omni packs curbstomping carnos when they can’t charge

Makes sense

[barren crater]

Yep

[rare fractal]

If we were to really mess with that matchup I’d significantly reduce charges damage so it actually has a dedicated CC function instead of being the main damage dealer

But that’s about it

[barren crater]

I guess, but that would make confirmed kills on small tiers tough potentially. Pachy can tank a charge + 1 bite currently. Another bite kills it

[rare fractal]

That’s the point

You should be focusing one target ideally

Which reduces the amount of squad wiping we’d see without making the animal any less effective

Also it’s hunting style just needs 1 or 2 additional steps

It’s so simple and boring, irrespective of current hitboxes

[barren crater]

I think Carno should be able to run into a group and if they're not aware, quickly dispatch one of them and run off. You have multiple eyes for a reason.

[rare fractal]

Which it would still do

[barren crater]

Depends on how much less charge damage would do tbf

[rare fractal]

Like 100 instead of 350

[barren crater]

Eh. That would give pachy way too much leniency imo. You would then need a charge + 3 bites to kill it.

[rare fractal]

I’m fine with that

Pachy also needs severe nerfs/fixes

I wouldn’t consider this change viable without Pachy also getting changed

Plus if you’ve managed to land a charge on a Pachy, it could tank up to 6 hits it doesn’t matter

Once you’re on its ass it dies

[barren crater]

I still think the damage is a bit too low. But yeah, as long as Pachy isn't able to do what it can now.

[rare fractal]

If it were up to me charge literally wouldn’t deal damage

But I know realistically a good chunk of the Carno player base wouldn’t appreciate requiring that much effort to secure kills

[barren crater]

If it didn't get its turn nerfed, I'd be fine lol

[rare fractal]

Oh this simply wouldn’t work with old turn

Even with a no damage charge that’s gratuitously op

Plus old turn rates incentivized a form of carnos balance that revolves around ambush

Which is something carnos shouldn’t even be trying to do 90% of the time

[barren crater]

If I had an option, I'd take back old carno personally. Yeah ambush Carno, but the old capabilities were nice

[rare fractal]

The only thing that was good about old Carno was that teno could fight it

It was a walking contradiction

[barren crater]

I loved it though. Being able to run and somewhat turn was nice. Also mouse turning allowing you to snipe raptors & pachys

[rare fractal]

It was fun while it lasted but I hope that whole model of balance for it stays burried

It was just bad for the playable

[barren crater]

Yeah. It's just boring rn. I guess we'll see with 6.5

[rare fractal]

It’s mainly boring because the hitbox interactions don’t allow teno to counter a charge with a slam, and because pachy’s ram has the same engagement only at higher priority

There’s also a really bizarre turn “radius” inertia bug that’s already been fixed internally

So turning won’t feel as bad next update

[barren crater]

wait wha

Is that what it was??

[rare fractal]

It applies to every animal rn too

Carnos turn speed did get nerfed but the reason it feels so clunky is because of that

[barren crater]

Sweet

I was wondering how anyone who liked fun would enjoy that lol

I get that it needs to use charge though, but damn

Out of charge Carno is horrid at times

[rare fractal]

Im more or less fine with how it handles now, tho it does feel clunky

But as far as it’s overall agility this doesn’t bother me

[barren crater]

Fair. It handles very oddly though at times.

[rare fractal]

Carno is supposed to overcome its lack of agility with timing it’s bursts of speed

[barren crater]

Agreed and I'm fine with that

I'm interested to see its future matchups against similarly sized creatures

[rare fractal]

Mhm

[limber hull]

carno i hope has a good future

and doesnt get subjected to being cera fodder, like some want

[barren crater]

No reason for it to be. Would be a bit odd to play second to a carnivore smaller than you in the open plains. Not saying Cerato should be fodder. Also assuming Cerato is smaller than Carno.

[limber hull]

i do hope cera sees threat in carno

instead of treating it as a joke

you shouldn't just ignore it

[barren crater]

Yeah. Cerato has an overwhelming advantage in every other terrain apart from the plains. I don't think it would be fair for it to also body Carno there

Like you could also be in the water and you would stomp a carno, since cerato can alt bite in water

[limber hull]

yep

[barren crater]

Also forests = your win

[limber hull]

near water, cera wins. In forest, cera probably wins

So swamps, rivers, jungles, coasts, cera wins

Let carno have plains

[barren crater]

Not sure if it can jump as well?

It could but who knows

[barren crater]

Agreed. Not like Carno having the edge in the plains = death

Cerato has the tools to dodge and brawl carno to get to a better location

[rare fractal]

It won't be dodging carno if it has comparable to worse movement speed than teno

cuz teno can't dodge charge rn

[limber hull]

(hitbox fix)

[rare fractal]

That'd help but the turn rate on charge rn just outpaces teno's trajectory

[barren zephyr]

so fing stupid that when the croc grabs you, you cant do sh.

[rare fractal]

@valid carbon Stegos swing doesn’t actually reach its face, if 2 omnis in an open field are fighting a stego and one is also pouncing its face they WILL win….swing doesn’t even reach the dismount angle if angled towards the face to catch them

Like if stego lacks cover or the Omnis attack it from those angles, it just loses

So the weakness you’re describing exists already

It also only requires 1 good deino to kill a stego, or at the bare minimum cause it to flee

I’d be impressed if 3 deinos managed to get killed by a single stego, that’s enough deinos to literally stunlock the stego with lunge cycling

[limber hull]

i dont think they're gonna read that lol, block and all

[rare fractal]

Oh right forgot about that…

Ok TLDR: Comical Skill issue

[cyan flame]

@valid carbonThe entire point of stego is that it has that reach and can not be flanked like most others. If you change that, you kind of remove the main "ability" of it, similar to removing carnos ability to run things down with its speed or other "attributes" like that. Not to mention, you have to aim yourself sideways if you want to use the quick jab, which is why deinos can rather easily take out a stego since the stego can't both attack and turn (you don't need three of them btw, two are plenty enough). Plenty of other critters will be a lot easier to flank, carno, pachy, omni can be flanked better because they have to turn to attack.

[valid carbon]

That honestly is not true, I've stomped gators as stego.. Like completely dominated them 1 vs 5, killed 2 and ran away from the other 3.. And stego can't attack and turn like what? Seriously? Turn your body and swing, simple enough.. A stego should not be able to hit a full length infront of it, if you need screen records I can provide some examples of them hitting me as I was running away no where near them from their frontal swing.

The only battles I fear as a stego is 2 stegos vs me, lmao

[cyan flame]

It's true. But considering how utterly bad deino players are, I can believe you (wait until you meet some good deinos, once in a blue moon, you'll learn some fear real quick). But I'm not judging the matchup on bad players, but on how it actually works if both sides know what they're doing. And no, stego can not both attack and turn, you need to either attack, at which point you're immobile, or you turn, during while you can not attack. Most other playables can move and attack at the same time, stego can only do so with a tiny bite, which is not going to help it vs a deino that can use alt to stay on it's head and prevent it from getting a good jab angle in (since it's limited in angle to the side). And stego can't hit a full length in front of it, that'd be latency or some other issue, the attack hit's around where it's head is, not much more. In any case, stego having reach is the point of the playable, it's not meant to be something you can flank precisely because it is anti-flank.

[valid carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

I believe alt attack should be used at more stamina for a frontal attack, but the regular tail attack jsut has to much range infront off it, stego on legacy is very very balanced, it can be taken down but has a weakness vs packs due to flanking its head. I just feel this is the way.

[cyan flame]

You know, if we had legacy stego, it'd be even more impossible to take down. xD

[valid carbon]

Lol not really, that thing has a awesome turn radius but can still be flanked with a good pack. This Stego just needs timing and can hit anywhere around it with incredible range, the frontal range of its tail attack needs to be toned down.

It can almost hit a full stego length Infront of it without using a alt tail attack.

[cyan flame]

It can't, the reach isn't that far. And no, legacy stego has better attacks, far better ability to fight due to move and swing, so no, any stego that get's "flanked" is just bad. You can play so you're pretty much untouchable unless the thing attacking you can take your hits and be fine. it is by far harder to fight as Evrima stego than legacy stego. The frontal range is about where the stego head is, nothing more.

[lapis swallow]

Stegos thing is not getting flanked

[cyan flame]

Combine the swing, with the turn and the ability to turn and swing, and you got a playable that is as close to untouchable as it can be.

Since legacy stego can both turn it's head away, and attack you, something Evrima stego can not do. And for that matter just run and swing, so it can chase you or otherwise intercept you when you come in for an attack, something Evrima stego also can't do because it's immobile while using it's main attack.

[cyan flame]

That too. Its not, despite what someone might say, a reverse trike. It's not a sauropod, it's not an animal whos tail attack is limited to it's behind.

[valid carbon]

It's tail attack should be limited to slightly past its head, it isn't, it is much further.

[cyan flame]

You're going to need to demonstrate that, because that's not the case from what I know. The attack literally stops where the stego has it's head, so unless there's something way off somewhere, there's no way you're hitting something another stego length away.

Unless there's just lag and stuff going on maybe.

[valid carbon]

Countless videos show it hitting past it's head I've been running away and caught a deathblow no where near it.. Ill record one for you and send it to you. 😉

[cyan flame]

During actual fights where fps, latency, stuff can affect things?

Or during proper testing?

[valid carbon]

Well UE4 Evirma has terrible desync so maybe it will be fixed in UE5, if it ever drops.

[cyan flame]

Because what you're saying sounds far more like an issue with things like that, than actual hitbox. Here's what I'd do to test. Go on some admin server, find a nice empty spot, have the stego stand in place, put something like an omni in front, jab, see if it hits. If it does, try again, put the omni another step or two back but the same relative position. Repeat until the omni is no longer hit by the frontal jab.

[valid carbon]

I'm running 50-100 fps cosntant with 30-40 ping and have caught a blow a few times where I was like WTF?

[barren crater]

Depends on the ping of the Stego as well

[cyan flame]

That way you can find out, relatively well, where the hitbox actually is and how far it reaches

This is how people tested carno charge after all, and how we can confirm there is something wrong with that hitbox.

[barren crater]

You could be closer on their screen I hit my NA friend all the time from very far

[valid carbon]

Yeah but that is a dysnc issue evirma is terrible known for.

[cyan flame]

Which is why you need to do some proper testing. Get a friend, go on an admin server and do what I said, record it and we'll see how far the reach actually is, when it's literally just testing the hitbox.

[valid carbon]

Hopefully UE5 fixes this

I've tap pounced stegos to death as a solo Omni, but that involves faking rushes and being unpredictable, but for bites to the head I just don't do it anymore, hitbox is to wonky.

I can also believe the ping issue on the victim being the issue but that needs to be resolved.. Been pounced on a stego for about 1-2 seconds they swing and I die off their side.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr They could do that, or they can add a map like V3 that actually works for EVRIMA, because V3 absolutely doesn't

[uneven mist]

@manic ibex mushrooms are added and currently they only cause muscle spasm and only hypsi is able to eat it

[manic ibex]

Ah thanks didnt know💀

[stray onyx]

@junior kite I don’t believe stegos need to be HP nerfed. While they are OP and an absolute tank of a dinosaur they will only be that way til bigger carnivores come in. Also, in a previous suggestion I mentioned giving the stegos less of a chance in forested areas as their tail spikes would spear a tree and get stuck for a period of time like 2-3 seconds and can’t buck, move or attack until the resolved leaving then open to attack. This way forest creatures could benefit from an overconfident stego or a Kill On Sight stego. This way they are in some way limited. As to body camping I have no clue as to a fair way to make body camping less annoying. I’ve seen debuffs for extended periods close to the body or sickness but I’m not sure how effective it actually be without breaking the game or not being effective enough to deter the camper. Also I don’t think being able to eat grass is that broken, it doesn’t increase buffs or do anything besides fill you up to a max of 15% (or higher idk) but that’s all it does. If anything it actually wastes stomach room for buffs. One suggestion I saw but forgot who said it (so forgive me, if you made this suggestion I’m not stealing I wish I knew who I quoting) but as less health you have the less damage you do. This would be realistic. Additionally maybe the less blood a dinosaur has the faster it’s stamina drains

[uneven mist]

@bright bay we only know that it’s planned for update 7

[barren zephyr]

@bright bay agreed

[stray onyx]

@barren zephyr while I agree the Omni is trash solo it’s meant to be a pack predator but I even think then they don’t quite feel threatening as some species such as stegos and tenos. I don’t know exactly what to suggest to fix this without adding more mechanics and making it more complex than intended or breaking the dinosaurs balance scale because by sheer stats alone is not going to fix the problem. We need a new mechanic to make omnis more formidable in a pack than solo, but could still be effective in hunting solo although it shouldn’t be able to solo a stego or anything larger than itself

[queen heart]

Maybe if they are in a pack they can share smell information

[rare fractal]

We already have that, it’s pounce

[stray onyx]

That’s actually a fairly interesting idea. However I don’t know if that quite helps with the hunting aspect beyond finding prey or corpses but still helpful. I did suggest above some ideas to balance stego without changing stats as well as quoting someone else’s idea that genuinely interested me, the concept of doing less damage as you lose HP as if you’re wearing from battle and possibly reducing the stamina as you bleed

[stray onyx]

We do but the pounce alone even with a pack is almost useless when you can be thrown off so easily and at no cost seemingly to the prey

Once I pounced a bucking teno and I literally only stuck for one second before being stun locked by the tail. The other raptor jumped off the second I jumped on so it doesn’t reset the buck timer for each it simply checks how long the dino bucking has been bucking for

[rare fractal]

Yeah because you pounced an already bucking teno, you’re not supposed to be able to do that

It also doesn’t sound like you’re tap pouncing

[stray onyx]

I do tap pouncing once in awhile but it absorbs so much stamina just to pounce. And to answer your first reply, I think you each pounce should have a separate timer so you can do back to back pouncing in a pack and make a solo prey player more wary of raptors in a pack

[rare fractal]

That takes so much if the timing out of pouncing….a better solution would be to just wait a couple seconds

I don’t like introducing more mechanics that make pouncing easier, taking on larger targets than yourself even in a pack is supposed to be incredibly difficult

[stray onyx]

Then perhaps the other persons suggestion (still don’t know who originally suggested it) of reducing damage of a creature as its health lowers, and maybe even as it bleeds out its stamina pool drops too

This works as a double edged sword for all creatures because it works both ways

[rare fractal]

I wouldn’t in a million years want damage to be that inconsistent

Plus we already have head fractures for that

That would also mean that an Omni after tanking a Carno body shot would deal like…30 damage

Which would be quite funny tbf

If we ever get to a point where stego doesn’t oneshot Omni tier targets even after being fractured or low on health we’ve got a massive problem anyway

[stray onyx]

If you lost over 60% of your blood irl you woul pass out well before that and be sluggish at best. Having them do full damage as their skin and muscles and being ripped open consistently is not only unrealistic but really unrewarding and doesn’t promote a fight or flight response from the player to save themselves

[misty spire]

Omni does need a small buff nothing crazy but it’s slightly underpowered against everything except teno

Blood loss probably should impact damage/speed

[rare fractal]

Yes, but this is a game

[misty spire]

Yes but losing 50%+ of blood decreasing damage/speed is an interesting mechanic

[rare fractal]

It’s not, carnos charge has a broken hitbox and Pachy is overpowered. Against teno and stego it’s fine

[misty spire]

Against stego its fine 💀

Idk what stegos u are fighting

[rare fractal]

I don’t think it is, just makes head fractures redundant and massively buffs larger animals over smaller ones

[misty spire]

How are bleeders supposed to apply head fractures 💀

[rare fractal]

You don’t damage reduction simply isn’t a tool Omni should have access to

That’s why it has the agility to bait and dodge

[misty spire]

It really would not nerf smaller creatures considering they are usually 1-2 bites anyway

[rare fractal]

Yes, it is, frontal pouncing still hasn’t been fixed

[misty spire]

And Desync/dismount bugs hasn’t been fixed

[rare fractal]

If an Omni is capable of dying in 2 hits….that first hit is basically going to be removing its ability to damage….anything

[misty spire]

I said a bleed nerf not a health nerf

[rare fractal]

You said damage and soeed

[feral solstice]

I agree, but the buff should be to make the stamina drain more smooth instead of chunks

[stray onyx]

Well it’s again it’s a double edged sword that works against everything

[misty spire]

Apply X amount of Bleed and then they will have decreased damage or speed

[rare fractal]

Why, that’s what fractures are for

If you can’t deal fracture damage you don’t have access to those advantages

[feral solstice]

For all we know, Omnis downsides could just be the lack of information given to it

[stray onyx]

But literally the only thing that fracture are pachys

[rare fractal]

Plus bleed already impacts stamina

[misty spire]

Bro you can disagree without making a stupid comparison that makes no sense 💀

[rare fractal]

Yes….and?

[misty spire]

“Applying a bleed nerf makes fractures useless” makes no sense whatsoever

[rare fractal]

Sure, that’s what I’ve been doing this whole time

[rare fractal]

When the bleed nerf applies literally the same thing as fractures….and is easier to apply…yes it makes fractures redundant

[stray onyx]

Fractures are already redundant

[rare fractal]

How

[misty spire]

A easy to apply 1 tap vs a long drawn out de buff applied over time

It’s the same thing!

[stray onyx]

They virtually never happen unless you fall a great height or fight a pachy. Nothing else fractures

[rare fractal]

Well….no, for example animals in pachy’s tier physically cannot fracture an animal as large as stego, omnis can bleed creatures as large as stego, and bleed also has self inflicting damage

[feral solstice]

Ain’t no way he called fractures redundant when even a body fracture makes every stamina cost 3X the amount

[misty spire]

There’s already a stam nerf when creatures are bleeding heavily so I guess body fractures are redundant and useless :/

[rare fractal]

Halves your damage, speed, and triples your stam consumption

[feral solstice]

I am fuming, seething even

[stray onyx]

They don’t happen without fighting a pachy so unless you are fighting a pachy they are entirely redundant in most cases

[rare fractal]

No, they don’t do the same thing, body fractures effect stam costs, bleed effects stam regen

[rare fractal]

I don’t think you know what redundant means

[misty spire]

What a difference 💀

[lapis swallow]

Its a huge difference

[rare fractal]

It’s a big difference

[feral solstice]

I would not call that redundant then lol

It’s more like under used, that’s it

[rare fractal]

Not even

[feral solstice]

[rare fractal]

It’s just an ability that doesn’t fit the playstyles of any other creature rn

Like remember when Carno and teno had fracture damage

[feral solstice]

Wouldn’t mind if dibbles bite caused fractures too, but yeah I agree

[rare fractal]

And that got removed after a week because it was awful

[feral solstice]

Charging your head dealing a leg fracture

[stray onyx]

I’m not arguing with you, I simply think there is a middle ground we can reach that would make the game better for everyone

[misty spire]

Raptor is currently unpowered and changing the carno hit box will not change that until they receive some form of buff

[rare fractal]

They really aren’t

[feral solstice]

The charge hitbox is literally the main problem it has with Carno lol
The bleed absolutely annihilates Carno if you can get a good one on em

[misty spire]

Dying to carnos as a raptor is a choice

[feral solstice]

The problem, again, is the damn chunk drain

[rare fractal]

Even in current patch, getting a Carno in a forest means it dies

[misty spire]

Dying to pounce bugs / running out of stam is the cause 90% of the time

[rare fractal]

Don’t run out of stam then

Tap pounce till it’s low on stam, and use more cover

[feral solstice]

Last one is also because of the chunk drain lol

[misty spire]

Thanks didn’t know that

[rare fractal]

Apparently not :p

[feral solstice]

Chunk drain literally draining the last remaining bits of your stamina even while dismount lmfao

[misty spire]

Bro thinks every fights the same

[stray onyx]

Ok well I stand by my original point, I think there’s something that can be done to give omnis a better edge in pack hunting but still be just slightly useful in general situations

[feral solstice]

Yes. Smooth out the stamina drain

[rare fractal]

Nope, I just dont take fights I know I can’t win

[misty spire]

You can simply not run out of stamina

[rare fractal]

Like I don’t fight carnos if they’re in the open

[feral solstice]

By smoothing it out, you can see almost exactly how much stamina you’re losing

So you can time dismounts perfectly

[rare fractal]

Pls

[misty spire]

It’s so easy 💀

[rare fractal]

Literally is, you just don’t attack them…

Stick near tree lines play that to your advantage

[misty spire]

Ur one of those

[stray onyx]

Guys, none of us are being in any degree civil about our debate. Can we all please calm down to talk this out

[misty spire]

common NW raptor

[rare fractal]

Is there something wrong with acknowledging that Carno only has one ideal terrain….and not fighting them in it?

[misty spire]

Simply be better and fight them in the mud pits

[lapis swallow]

Wait, so I am not supposed to KOS everything?

[feral solstice]

This is simply the norm

[misty spire]

Like a true Utah warrior

[stray onyx]

That’s honestly kinda depressing.

[rare fractal]

Sadly no, murder all pulses within a 10 kilometer radius or you’re bad at the game

[misty spire]

If ur not killing anything and everything as a Utah ur playing wrong

[feral solstice]

It gets worse than this 💀
Sadly

[rare fractal]

It gets far worse

[stray onyx]

Yeah... I’ve seen it in game too. Part of why for awhile I left the isle. I’m going to come back when the fighting stops bc I don’t like being in screaming matches. I love friendly debates thou so if u have any other ideas you want to argue for just ping me 🙂

[misty spire]

Fix the bugs + add a stam regen increase then Utah balanced 😎

[misty spire]

Ur incorrect and wrong

[stray onyx]

That’s... honestly the weirdest ping I’ve every gotten to a factual talk about myself

[rare fractal]

Omni already has the fastest stam regen in the game aside from hypsi

[misty spire]

By how much I play carno/raptor and the stam regen is essentially the same 💀

[stray onyx]

Anyways, nice debating with you, despite it um... turning into a yelling match

[misty spire]

Only difference is carno has less of a stam pool

[rare fractal]

It’s not, both as far as the patch notes for U4 and 5 are concerned and in testing

Omnis stam regen is far faster

[misty spire]

Send patch notes

[feral solstice]

[rare fractal]

Scroll to the patch notes for U4

Literally doesn’t matter anyway because this has been tested in game anyway

It’s faster

[misty spire]

Date

[rare fractal]

I don’t even remember….3rd or 4th quarter 2021?

I think?

Or was it 3.75….

[misty spire]

Carno has lower stam regen cuz lower stam pool, Utah has higher stam regen cuz larger stam pool

It’s essentially the same rate

Except one needs to use there entire stam pool to attack

In conclusion, buff stam regen 😎

[rare fractal]

Omni still has a faster stam regen rate

You also don’t need to use all of your stam to attack

You either use bait and bites, or you use half of your stam with tap pounces

[proud coral]

I don't know how I feel about actually holding on with pounce being unreliable ;><;

Kinda makes the ability feel uh.....lame I guess Something like that.

Reminds me of how in NS2, Fades don't ever use blinking, they just tap it to gain tons of momentum. So like it works, it's just boring since actually using the ability is actually inefficient

[barren crater]

Or go for the stamina regen build

[proud coral]

Isn't it broken? 😮

[barren crater]

There are a lot of broken diets

I don’t know which ones work anymore lol

But I’m pretty sure having 3 carb diets actually does work

Omni having anymore of a buff in stam regen would be overkill

Players would just keep spamming in packs

[misty spire]

Half of the diets don’t work 😎

[rare fractal]

Oh it makes the ability WAY more strategic and expressive for its effectiveness to change as the fight goes on

Also damage phase abilities having extended uptime is……it’s pretty bad

[proud coral]

Damage phase?

[rare fractal]

The duration of a pounce would be considered a damage phase

[proud coral]

Ah

[rare fractal]

And because of omnis speed, and the fact that most animals don’t have dedicated flank weaponry, it’s usually concequences less without terrain advantages

[proud coral]

I would just rather it be more pro con rather than "never ever use non-tap, it's useless"

[rare fractal]

That’s how it is already

[proud coral]

Like tap offers this but suffers from this and same with latching on

I thought latching was ALWAYS bad though

At least that's how it sounds a lot of the time

[rare fractal]

You tap until you don’t have to, or if an animal is committing to another action

You can latch longer during an attack anim or if the creature is out of stam

Omnis whole hunting strategy centralizes around exhaustion

[proud coral]

Oh, then yeah that's fine Most descriptions I've seen make it sound like latching is just bad, period

[rare fractal]

No, tho I am at fault for that somewhat since I’ll often say “just tap pounce”, but that’s usually because im responding to people who hold latch then are flabbergasted when they fall off and die

[rare fractal]

Instead of actually thinking about smart ways to use the effective tools they have

[barren crater]

@earnest saddle A full adult Carno can’t one shot a full grown Omni with a bite. It 2 shots Omni on the head, and 3 shots on the body

[earnest saddle]

that just happended to me

[cyan flame]

Sounds like it was a hacker then or something, because stats say it doesn't do that normally, unless maybe if you were malnutritioned?

[barren crater]

I wouldn’t be surprised if damage hacks exist, but in terms of actual values, Carno can’t do that

Unless it’s a charge to the head

[lucid robin]

@barren zephyr #general-feedback message I had a major stroke reading this. you know grammar exists right?? jeez this suggestion is a mess to look at. it doesn't even have one period

[junior kite]

I could work with that, though I would like to see some perks that debuff your buffs, here's a good idea for body campers since I made the suggestion about bugs. As we know, carasses get these pests, which this isn't the only place you would run into them. But my idea was proposed that you would need to go roll in mud or take a bath in the water to get rid of such vermin. So say for example, you're covered in the players blood or you have open wounds, which honestly that makes sense. Because flies and ect become a nuisance for animals in real life, that it wear and tire them out. What if it did exactly this for any species, that it would also require the cooperation of other players such as birds to land on you. And pick clean pests that are scattered around you. Plus if they body camped this could drain their buffs, forcing the players to go get water or roll in the mud, and if non of that is around, then for bird player, so they don't abuse the game. They could use this as their diet plan and if they eat but so much. They will throw up. That way if say the stego keeps returning to camp after getting water or rolling in the mud, the pests would return again after say about a 1 min of standing around the body. And they couldn't just lay far away from it either, their wounds would attracts the bugs to them because they smell the blood.

[limber hull]

Omni has faster stam regen while trotting, walking and standing
Carno has faster stam regen while resting

[rare fractal]

Ahh ok, so basically it's optimized for targeting prey that it can't be run down by....

Who woulda thought

[limber hull]

you can stay on the move as omni (and i often do)

[latent olive]

@next vortex rule 10. devs don’t give out ETAs of updates

[urban flax]

Wavepooles sees skillcheck, Wavepoole thinks of DbD, Wavepoole downvotes :P

[pure quiver]

I honestly do think that Pachy spamming ram until a fleeing carnivore dies sucks ass, so I agree that a longer cooldown or skillcheck would be appreciated.

[urban flax]

But not a skillcheck for disabling stuns
Stuns are a tool and a combat mechanic, not a funny gimmick
Having the ability to negate them entirely ruins the purpose of certain playables

Also what kinds of skill allows you to tank a 500kg sledgehammer breaking your knees without moving an inch

[smoky flame]

What doesn't make the game fun in my opinion is that everyone who has a chance to spam rams anyone nearby with a minimal penalty for missing the hit. A 500kg ram like you said should then consume a lot of your stamina and you won't be able to perform 6 rams before your stamina goes out.

[rigid grotto]

@barren zephyr this isnt dead by daylight my guy

[barren zephyr]

Oml

AAHAHA

[limber hull]

@brittle kiln good news, quetz is planned

[brittle kiln]

:0

Too bad it will take so long for this to happen :<

[grand folio]

Any note or opinions on me and Arvids suggestions

[jaunty maple]

BRUH EVRIMA EU1 BE BUGGUN

94 people but apperently it full

[tall hearth]

No it is full. It's just a normal number glitch that happens on every server.

[fading wraith]

chill

[north quiver]

what’s with all these quicktime event suggestions

[proud coral]

QTEs are very difficult to get right since the idea itself is just.....kinda cheap. For certain games, sure. But not something like Isle.

It ends up becoming "haha you didn't press this random button fast enough" which takes little to no skill and doesn't actually make fights engaging.

Either that, or it becomes extremely predictable.

[north quiver]

yep

it wouldn’t fit at all with dinosaurs. I’m not sure about humans though with their own tasks, whatever those may be

[proud coral]

Even with humans and their tasks, the concept itself just does a poor job at being engaging and rewarding skill. The only "skill" there is is having a fast reaction time, which personally I despise for something like Isle. Too many games today have turned into "YOU GOTTA REACT SUPER FAST OMG THIS GAME IS SO FAST PACED OMG OMG"

And plus it's just.....boring.

[urban flax]

For Honor has turned into this

[proud coral]

"wow, I clicked E at the right time. Time to do it again."

[proud coral]

[urban flax]

To the point they now intentionnally make attacks that are too fast for a human being to react to them so you gotta predict them

[proud coral]

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-raider-for-honor-slav-dance-funny-gif-17274565

[urban flax]

But at least For Honor as a very solid combat system
Apart from some questionable balance choices, it's one of the best combat systems I've ever seen

[uneven mist]

True, it has some…interesting choices for some heroes but it has the best combat system I’ve seen so far

[urban flax]

I think the best one I've ever seen was Battlerite, but it isn't a very well-known game (also been abandoned by its developers sadly)

But at least they used the money they got to make another game

Which is almost equally as cool

[stray onyx]

I don’t think quick time events need to happen. Because yeah that is going to be extremely annoying. It would be nice if bucking took more than pressing a single button though or pouncing had a little more skill required or maybe even a system to hold on while being bucked but took more stamina to do. Just suggestions that I just pulled from the air so not thought out at all so the idea probs sucks

[slim wing]

@little cove Is that your art for the cannibal take? That is an awesome concept. APOLOGIES I JUST SAW TAPWINGS SIG

[little cove]

Nope, not my art it's tapwings XD

Your all good XD

[slim wing]

Yeahh yeah just saw that LOL. I was trying so hard to read the scribble- cursive is not my fortay- LOL.

[frank osprey]

How long ago did we get pachy

[barren zephyr]

?

[frank osprey]

…when was the diet update

[barren crater]

December 16, 2021

We technically had Pachy in October, 2021 though

[frank osprey]

Ty

[barren zephyr]

@mint forge what does that have anything to do with what I posted xD

[uneven mist]

@tawdry holly we are getting a few sauropods, those we know we are getting are magy, cama and brachi and I belive the devs stated they will upsize cama to its full size than the sub adult we had in legacy
And there is probably a possibility we get bronto and diplo too because they were planned for legacy at some point

[tawdry holly]

Oooo that is alot :o

Much to look forward to

[uneven mist]

Diplo and bronto isn’t confirmed but is merely speculation and we know that magy and cama will come out first (possibly magy because of its size)

[barren crater]

I swear they were confirmed

🤔

[uneven mist]

Think bronto was, idk about diplo

[limber hull]

Pre sure Bronto was

[barren crater]

#evrima-na message Kissen confirmed the list ages ago. Also they at least have a diplo model

I hope we get them all lol.

[uneven mist]

Ah ok, interesting. Thanks didn’t know that

[barren crater]

np

[lilac bolt]

Any thoughts or negatives with my suggestion about binocular and monocular vision for dinos?

[autumn nimbus]

@blissful latch it would be better if the ecosystem balanced itself out

30 deinos sitting at NW shouldn't be a sustainable ecosystem

[blissful latch]

How is the question 🤔

[autumn nimbus]

it was my opinion

if the game is well designed then people won't gather in masses due to limit of food supply, and if there are many deinos already then the overall food supply on the map for deinos will decrease and deinos will likely start eating eachother more often

no need to hard limit the amount of certain dinos or herbs/carnis if they just design a good game

and the ecosystem will balance itself out over time

now, this may be a very hard thing to do

they already fkd up in my opinion with the stego

and probably the deino as the game is rn

nothing is currently balancing out the deino or stego population

and it's limiting food supply for smaller dinos

specifically carnivores

[mint forge]

at first I replied to ur suggestion then I realized I'd have to wait 6h until I could post mine so I edited the message lmao, srry

[remote karma]

whats with the bug for omni, where you can go from pouned on someones side, then inside the mouth of the deino you are riding.

[sullen delta]

@wispy swallow I've pretty much memorized where food is, if you wanna play with me so I can show you

[wispy swallow]

@sullen delta I appreciate the offer. I'm taking a break from the game to eat and do other things because I'm just too frustrated to play right now.

[sullen delta]

Fair

[glacial breach]

@untold wharf thats not enough time dont stress out the devs they work really hard

[untold wharf]

@glacial breach I’m dead inside.

[glacial breach]

I've been since this update

[north quiver]

My only problem with forcing eldering is the uncertainty of the timeframe you’ll have before death. If you grow an omni for about an hour, what will the sweet spot be before you elder and die? An hour? That’s not even enough time to travel the map and do a long hunt with a pack. Two hours? 5? 9?

What about spending about 5 or 6 hours growing a stego? Will you have an hour? Two hours? 5, 6? 10? If it’s too short, it won’t really motivate people to grow after the elder hype train is gone (unless the perks are THAT good. No idea what the perks could possibly be if they’re THAT good). If eldering takes too long, no one will care for it if the perks aren’t really worth the time.

[icy lion]

Dying will not be forced, you'll choose when to die of age to get the perk

[north quiver]

Oh ok #general-feedback message This got me thinking it was going to be forced lol

[stray onyx]

@plucky roost Maybe check out my suggestion on the stego, stats alone isn’t enough to resolve it. However, adding obstructions to attacks likes trees and rocks (for all dinosaurs but more specifically for stego) to block attacks from passing through them. For stego, perhaps swinging into a tree should stun them and lock them in place as they pull out of the tree for 2-3 seconds and give predators a chance to attack a weak spot or pounce for a few seconds before it can buck them off. It doesn’t stop them from fighting in the forests but certainly makes it less optimal and makes it more realistic for them to roam the open plains where they evolved to survive more effectively.

[stray onyx]

@lofty gate sadly no. The only effective way to pounce in the game is to “tap pounce” which is to let go nearly the second after you land it. I wish pouncing was a bit more of a struggle than a few button presses. Like bucking can throw you off but you can fight to hold on and it does damage still but uses more stamina

[mint forge]

@wispy swallow, actually finding food ain't that hard. Beside playing with sound, you can also scent the area by maintaining A key, which will allow you to see what's around you with a radar looking interface on the top of your screen. That way, you can know where water is, where corpse are and, more importantly where your Prefered food are.
Also, dinos have their own abilities, Omni being able to pounce on other animals, dealing dmg and stacking bleed (which drain an alternative pool until it come to 0 and cause the death of the target)
if you need some advice or int about the game or things you don't understand, just DM me, I'll explain u the whole thing.

[north quiver]

I’d honestly suggest starting out as a herbivore if you’re new to the game to get used to the map, spawns, and preferred locations by players. If food is easy to come by for new players, then there’s a serious problem. You’re going to see a boom in the carnivore population since it’d be so easy to maintain

[visual sage]

can mods stop deleting my comments? ty

[mint forge]

@glacial breach might be late but I totally agree about the issue u pointed, like wth did they change the grass asset we had to that new one which look completely ugly in any aspect, I definitely don't understand that call

[glacial breach]

The night vision update sacrificed all the pretty shaders probably and it looks horrible

[mint forge]

is that all bc of nv ?

[glacial breach]

Update 4 still had pretty visuals at night and I personally would prefer playing that instead of pure blackness

[glacial breach]

Very likely

They probably needed to rewrite all the shaders in order to get a night vision shader to work

[mint forge]

hope they'll find a way to change what need to be changed bc honnestly, the game looked so good when Pachy came out

grass, shader, all the thing together, it was a pleasure to watch all that a roam around

but it seems like they found a way to fix that in Gateway tho

[glacial breach]

Gateway?

Is that the name for the next update or

[mint forge]

it's the new map they're working on and it does look pretty good to be honest from what we've saw from the time they opened it to content creator
here's a video of it : https://youtu.be/jwY4qFKDioQ

[glacial breach]

Holy cow let me watch it one sec

[mint forge]

and, btw, the game will be upgrading to UE5 by the time we get this map with nanite trees & foliage if I don't mistake so grass LOD won't be a problem anymore

[grand folio]

Opinions on my latest suggestion,

[glacial breach]

Can't wait until that happens in 2025

[mint forge]

to be fair, I'm not a big fan of the bulky rex that doesn't roar, but the rest could be interesting tbh

[mint forge]

if we're lucky we could get it by the end of the year

[glacial breach]

Bro I just want to be a nuisance as troodon

[grand folio]

What if I changed the didnt roar part to, bellows and hisses

[mint forge]

U6.5 shouldn't take long to arrive since all it need rn is stress test

[mint forge]

I have difficulty imagining what u really want for the Rex. what animal that we have today would u compare it to ? cuz for me if it didn't roar it'd much likely be able to growl like Deino do

[glacial breach]

I've been hearing about that for weeks now

[mint forge]

yup, let's hope all the fixing they require don't take too long

[grand folio]

I mean in between a deino sound and roar

[mint forge]

that would be scary for sure to hear such thing but the fact is that, in compare to Legacy, we can't hear from as far as we used to

[stray onyx]

It’s theorized tyrannosaurus had a low grunt noise but it was loud

[grand folio]

Just changed it

[mint forge]

btw, I posted a suggestion yesterday, would u like to read it ?

[grand folio]

Yes please! (Was the change a good adjustment?)

[grand folio]

^

[mint forge]

yeah, I think so, it'd change the way we see Rex and give us the chill we had when deino roar wasn't patched yet and could be herd from distance hella loud

[mint forge]

here it, #general-feedback message

[inland dagger]

do anything to prevent 75% of the server from being deinos

[stray onyx]

I think what be better than making pachys less fun or interesting to play or any number of things to prevent them from working. Make all herbivores feel important and more interesting to play than wandering around aimlessly before looking for food and getting so bored to randomly attack anything that isn’t an herbivore. Such as quests or regional missions that help with plant life or any number of things that herbivores do for the environment and grant small amounts of growth for it. Carnivores already have the fun of hunting things down and that being their stick. Herbivores should have a system to similar to managing things and improving the regions their in and constantly providing interesting things to do besides “attack that random carnivore bc I feel like it”. Honestly that’s how I feel when I play stego. Yes I also have a suggestion to fix stegos OP nature as a stego player but that’s another suggestion. The point, playing stego after maybe 80% immediately gets old. You are so strong that nothing can kill you but another stego or a perfect pack of something or a load of deinos. Ether way, you get so bored playing it eventually even after doing nesting that it gets to the need of doing something because u don’t want to reset. So, naturally you go on a rampage killing everything that dare taint your land with its presence.

[inland dagger]

I meant to say deinos

not pachys lol

[stray onyx]

Deinos are another story. Generally I think they are an acquired taste. I personally hate the playstyle because its so specific. The few times I’ve played I kill myself about an hour in bc nothing is happening. I think with the addition of the Bepei in the new update (that will hopefully drop soon) that it will balance out that since I think a majority of people who play deino are playing it because it’s the only aquatic playable at the moment

[smoky flame]

I think they should improve some advange when herd dinos are in a herd. And put a handicap when no herd dinos are in a group. It's too unfair for dinos that aren't strong and need to be a lot of people playing (like raptors, petrs and weak herbivores in general for example). I think Carno is thought as a Solo player, he is strong enough to fight alone against a herd and be able to win that fight. And the Deinos too, since they are cannibals I think it is not fair for the rest of the species to have to face an impossible to kill group of 5 Deinos or 5 Carnos making them completely invincible without giving the rest of the dinos any option to kill if they want to only 1 of the group.

[urban flax]

It's a problem with balance itself, not mechanics

Carno alone is pretty much untouchable, so obviously a group of 5 carnos will curbstomp everything, same with deino and stego
Normally food should prevent making huge groups, but right now it's extremely abundant so people can play as 50 deinos if they want and never starve

[smoky flame]

but I understand that there are stronger dinosaurs than others, and that also makes it fun in its own way, it wouldn't be fair for a raptor to end up 1v1 against a Carno, because it would be like a dog killing an elephant.

[urban flax]

I didn't say that it should
But carno is obviously stronger than it should be (as is pachy) and deino and stego are out of their league

[smoky flame]

you can kill a Carno if u are 2 or 3 raptors, its ok. The only problem with Carno is the huge hitbox the ram have and be able to spam it

[urban flax]

Yes and that's enough to make it OP

[smoky flame]

so I think if u put a disadvantage to dont let them be 5, will be more balanced. Im talking when they fix the 2 things i said before, the hitbox and the spamming ram

[urban flax]

Debuffing dinos based on their number sounds artificial and annoying

[smoky flame]

Just dont let them form a group

if there is a solitarie strong dino should be solitarie (for that they are cannibals)

[urban flax]

But how do they nest then ?

[smoky flame]

the other way is make the Carnos and Deinos with the same strong as a raptor.. and its not fair

[smoky flame]

they shouldnt is the price to pay for play a op dino

[indigo gulch]

[smoky flame]

they are not sociable, like sharks, they kill their brothers/sisters

so its not something artificial

[indigo gulch]

Every animal breeds

Bruh

[smoky flame]

Yes, but the animals were guided by instincts, not by the knowledge of a human who told them what was smarter to do.

[urban flax]

What about making them not OP instead ?

[smoky flame]

In nature there is a food chain so you could not match all the dinos. Or do they put a dryo as strong as a Carno? it would not make sense

[urban flax]

There is a middle ground between "everything solos everything" and "something is straight-out unkillable"

[indigo gulch]

But if we are following the logic of a food chain, why would we ignore the logic of an apex can breed too?

[smoky flame]

because there are not 400 giants dinos in 20 km they should fight between them for the food (in the nature they dont think about if i group with this boy we can kill everybody and noone can hit us)

[lilac bolt]

what's this argument about?

[urban flax]

Debuffing strong dinos when in packs

[smoky flame]

Im accord about they should nest too

may only a group of 3 (2 adults and 1 kid)

[lilac bolt]

why would they debuff something like an apex for being in a pack? they're apex's for a reason why should they get weaker for working together?

i get putting a limit for certain dinos though since we don't need mega packs of trex or anything

[smoky flame]

Yes, that's what I mean, I understand that there is a herd of 5 raptors, but I don't understand that there are 5 Carnos or 5 Deinos, making them totally immortal and destroying wherever they go

because they really dont need group to kill

[lilac bolt]

carno just seems strong since it can spam its charge and it has a huge hitbox deino just needs slight balancing at least right now till we get more dinos that can challenge them or someway to tell they're in the water other than food being by the edge of the water

[indigo gulch]

Deino and carno groups are already limited tho no? I know a deino has a group limit of 2

Isn’t that enough?

[lilac bolt]

oh yeah there's already a limit for those

[smoky flame]

if they are limited of 2 they couldnt nest

[indigo gulch]

Huh?

[lilac bolt]

either way there are more ways to fix the issues then debuffing dinos for being in groups

[urban flax]

You only need 2 people to nest

[lilac bolt]

yeah?

[smoky flame]

and the puppies to know where they are

[indigo gulch]

Deinos get a group limit of 2 adults/subadults

After the young ones grow up they get kicked out of the group

[smoky flame]

idk about that long time from the last time i played a deino

and try to nest and that

[indigo gulch]

I recently nested as a deino

[smoky flame]

ok i belive you i really dnt know about that

[stray onyx]

A lot of this has stemmed from lack of biodiversity and a natural flow of energy through the game. Food is just food and nutrients is just nutrients. So straight forward that for cannibalism playables that there’s no need to play ANYTHING else by technicality.

[bright bay]

@barren zephyr Actually the button to close the message is behind the text, u can still click on it, don't need to restart the game!

[barren zephyr]

Oh, If you have a reference image I would love to see it. I don't know where to click exactly, always have to restar D:

[stray onyx]

I am curious as to the reasoning behind the massive rejection behind my suggestion of making herbivore quests to add fun elements and rewards. Feedback as to why you think this is an awful idea I’d appreciated and I would like constructive criticism to ether tone the idea or why it wouldn’t work

[urban flax]

Personnally there are several reasons why I downvoted it.
First, I don't like any system to be herbivore-exclusive or carnivore-exclusive. It justifies imbalance and makes everything less fair.
Second, the reward of "instantaneous growth" is not good in my opinion, as it completely breaks immersion to see your dino get 10% larger instantly because it accomplished some objective.
Third, "quests" rewarding growth, in my opinion, don't fit the game at all. The goal is to try to survive in the best way you can, and everything we have right now that players need to engage in is justified in survival in one way or another. What I mean is that even diets make at least some sense for animals to go for. I don't know what you had in mind for quests, but I don't see them making much sense in the context that we are playing dinos.

Migrations are also planned as a mechanic that will affect both carnivores and herbivores, but not in the form of "quests". People are just gonna have to move around the map in an organic way

Also I suspect many people downvoted the idea because quests remind them of Path of Titans, a game that a lot of people hate here

[stray onyx]

It be closer to 3%, it’s not a lot but it’s at least a nice buffer. The main concept behind it is because once you got to full growth or even in the middle. The game is kinda mid. At least I thought it was but I guess that’s just me. Mainly I see a lot of herbivore players being aggressive and killing on sight and I suspect it’s out of boredom as once you get to full growth... what then? What do you do besides wander around the map and look for food as nearly nothing attacks you since you are ether too big or in a large enough group that it fails to be worth the hunt? Quests at least give players a nice alternative to attacking people and I did say the reward or quests could be anything not just growth. As to what that stuff may be I do not know. I just would like for something anything to be implemented to make herbivores more interesting and fun and less “ok I’m invincible or hidden in the middle of the woods and ether want to die or kill everything now bc there’s nothing left to do”

[misty spire]

Nobody tryna play POT 💀

[urban flax]

Well... rewarding growth wouldn't help full-grown players being bored...
But there are other mechanics pallend to make life as a full-adult more interesting, as the game loop isn't complete yet. I already mentioned migrations that will have players moving around a lot more, but there will also be an elder system and perks to go for

Also someday nesting might be made more viable and rewarding so people do it more often

[stray onyx]

Which is something I am majorly looking forward to

I hope nesting one day is made important because yes that is also a perfect example of the kind of gameplay I mean. My ideas are often kinda spur of the moment so I appreciate your feedback

[north quiver]

I like nesting but god it’s too tedious to call fun anymore. You blink once and your diets are already at 1%. the compies are annoying as hell too

[stone mantle]

yeah

away from the nest for a few minutes to get water or food and it's GONE because compies

[north quiver]

the compies aren’t even a fun or interesting idea right now. they’re just straight-up annoying

[stone mantle]

had 5 compies spawn in a row at some point

[misty spire]

they just make it so you cant afk nest

or leave ur nest unguarded to for too long

[stone mantle]

afk nesting isn't really a problem i wouldn't think? once you have hatchlings you gotta keep a constant eye on them, and they're always hungry

[north quiver]

afk nesting was indeed never really a problem lol. I personally feel like unguarded nests should have dangers from players instead of ai. with the introduction of ai going after nests as soon as the nest is left, people won’t leave their nests unguarded unless they genuinely don’t care if it gets destroyed, so it makes egg thieves basically useless

egg thieves I’d imagine would take eggs from unattended nests to punish bad parenting, but there won’t be unattended nests or nests at all with those stupid little compies destroying the nest if you leave for 10 seconds lmao

compy ai spawning for nests should either be heavily looked at and changed, or it should be removed

[uneven mist]

@earnest saddle dasplato isn’t confirmed, the only medium sized tyrannosaurid we will get is Alberto

[earnest saddle]

worth a shot

[north quiver]

but yeah coming from a player who genuinely enjoys nesting:
-chill out with the nutrient drain
-chill out with those annoying as hell compies

one reason why you’d find so many people nesting before the update was because you could stack nutrients to 300% instead of a measly and sad 100%

[stone mantle]

yep. yesterday or the day before i was trying to nest with a friend as tenos and i had to leave to get radish while she stayed with the nest. she went to get water (or mountain ash, don't quite remember) which was very close to the nest and wouldn't leave the nest unattended for very long at all, and compies completely destroyed the nest

[north quiver]

feel that. hatchlings don’t even get your entire diet it seems like. if you have (for example) two 2-line and one s (which would be considered a perfect diet), hatchlings will only get one 2-line and one s. that slows down their growth. at that point it’s just more beneficial to spawn on your own to grow faster and get a perfect 50% growth

[stone mantle]

i did not even know that, good god

[north quiver]

figured that out yesterday when I decided to take a pachy egg. it was a slow grow until I wasn’t able to beg around 20%

[stone mantle]

is that with repeated feedings?

[north quiver]

yep. from several different people too

[stone mantle]

💀

[tidal prawn]

@charred grove but there are much people chilling in dc already having advantag over randoms talkin in chat so thats a no go at least Imho

[mental cradle]

@latent olive @rough phoenix oh really? 2 X? is this not bothering you?

[rough phoenix]

Nope

[mental cradle]

Doesn't it bother you that you're starving and you can't because a herbivore won't let you eat a corpse?

[rough phoenix]

This game is incredibly boring if something can’t kill me

[limber hull]

it doesn't bother me, no

[rough phoenix]

Nope

[limber hull]

AI and other corpses can be found

Not the end of the world if I can't get one corpse

[rough phoenix]

Herb player needs action too

[limber hull]

(also body guarders will leave if you just leave their line of sight)

[rough phoenix]

Plus its fun trying to sneak food

[mental cradle]

It's because it's been a year without new dinos, plus the gore mechanics produce a lot of lag xd

[limber hull]

don't give them a reason to keep guarding and they won't

[rough phoenix]

Boars are also not that hard to find when your starving

[mental cradle]

What happens here is that people get bored and don't know what to do when they reach adulthood.

[rough phoenix]

So let them have there fun

[limber hull]

Which will be addressed in U7

[barren crater]

The only creature that has to worry about body guarding is Carno tbf. Everything else can just go somewhere else and eat something. Even then, Carno is usually fine lol

[urban flax]

I should make another list but for bodyguarding debuffs
Although these wouldn't be as harmful as mixpacking debuffs for the game
Just useless

[limber hull]

Still harmful

Kill an animal attacking your nest?

Debuffs!

The compies that AUTOMATICALLY SPAWN by your nest? Walking debuffs

[mental cradle]

Exactly, when the elders arrive, people will have more fun and then they will die of old age, in the game, not irl xd

[rough phoenix]

Why punish players when you can’t get good?

[limber hull]

I mean

It's very easy to stop body guarding

Just leave, or pretend to leave

As long as they can't see you, they'll leave out of boredom

Standing on a body without a fight isn't super entertaining

[barren crater]

Genuinely. What's even stopping you from eating?

[mental cradle]

nothing, unless a 5-ton herbivorous dinosaur comes to you and takes your lunch xd

[barren crater]

So Stego. What are you in that example?

[mental cradle]

carno and omni

also troodon

[barren crater]

While it sucks for Omni, you don't have to worry about food as it

Like it's next to impossible to starve as Omni on a full server

Troodon will probably be similar, since it won't require any food

[rough phoenix]

Troodon will probably grow in less then ten minutes it won’t matter if you did on them lol

It will be like predator hypsi

[mental cradle]

yeaaaaah, people kill each other because if in this type of servers

[barren crater]

Carno, fair, but also - you have the ability to run off and get more kills. At worst, they're a nuisance and honestly, you shouldn't even bother hunting near a Stego lol

[barren crater]

I'm confused?

[limber hull]

(I do think carno starvation needs to be tuned down tbh)

[mental cradle]

people kill each other for fun, basically

[limber hull]

yea

[barren crater]

So that means there's a lot of food

[limber hull]

thats gonna happen

[barren crater]

Go to a hotspot and scavenge

[mental cradle]

exacto mi amigo

[barren crater]

So where's the problem?

[limber hull]

Honestly, U7 might massively change how common food is

With people actually trying to survive to get elder

And the hereditary elder perks

[rough phoenix]

Also sometimes if your playing a herb and see a baby carno its easier to kill it while its small before it starts attacking you when its big

[mental cradle]

the problem here is that people are very toxic, in the game, not here xd

[mental cradle]

the same usually happens irl

I once saw a video of a zebra chasing a baby cheetah.

[limber hull]

zebras are bastards so thats fair

[barren crater]

At a certain size, it's pointless. No point wasting time chasing a fresh spawn to reduce 'threats'. The guy will just spawn somewhere else lol.

[limber hull]

true lol

especially since the little buggers will run you out of stam, or even worse, run you to their parents

[barren crater]

Yeah. Waste of time. I guess if you enjoy sending things flying / impaling, go for it

[mental cradle]

The point here is that animals eliminate possible competition or predators, before they really are.

[limber hull]

Okay but like

In that situation, you aren't really doing that

They'll respawn at the exact same growth far away

A freshspawn juvi is basically a useless kill

[mental cradle]

literally

I wonder if they will add some mechanic that has that can only be used with the nest system, so people would use the nest mechanic more

[limber hull]

Nesting will allow you to pass down perks iirc

[lucid mauve]

Have they said that ?

[lucid mauve]

that would force me to be nested in, would be dumb if not. And why should nesting be promoted? Its already incdredible good get free food and protection.

And the poor guy whos actually spawning in and surving with skill, and makes the "world" more alive then the people sitting in a corner doing nothing until strong enough

[limber hull]

No it wouldn't? What are you on about lol

[lucid mauve]

No way i would spawn in in i can get free perks : P they are hell to get

[limber hull]

Just because parents can hand down perks doesn't force you to be nested

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but no way i would not do it

[limber hull]

At the cost of longer growth and a helpless stage where you're walking free food to anything that wants you dead

[lucid mauve]

Then you can throw perks out, why should you earn free perks ?

Hell, they the poor guy who managed to grow without help. His the one who did the job : P

[limber hull]

They aren't free? You're taking a risk by being nested in to get them

there's a dev saying it btw

[lucid mauve]

Then i will never spawn in : P

[limber hull]

Good for you

[lucid mauve]

without beeing nesten, no reason for it lol

[limber hull]

Have fun only spawning in as animals you can't choose, with longer growtimes and far more at risk to predators over some perks I guess

[lucid mauve]

Im not gonna grow a fully dino, then die and go thru all the stages. To get one perk? When i can just nest in and get them for free

[limber hull]

You get perks for living

As you grow up, you get to unlock perks

Elder perks are the ones you can only get from going through all the stages

Normal perks and elder perks are different

[lucid mauve]

ahh! So i would need to actually be alive ?

[limber hull]

We don't know if elder perks can be inherited

[lucid mauve]

i wont get them the split second i get nested ?

[limber hull]

No you still get them when you get nested, inherit

[lucid mauve]

Like bob ? So if you do all the work, then i get nested in by you. I can get the stuff you worked for ?

[limber hull]

I'd assume that's the implication Punch meant, yes

Considering he felt the need to point out that a "benefit to spawning in as a hatchling" would be tied into perks

So I'd imagine that'd be an inheritance system

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i would also asume that. It just sounds, like people not gonna earn them. You do the job and i get it for free thing

I was hoping to sorta work for them

[limber hull]

You do

You also get a headstart in perks if you get nested in

Much like you get a headstart in growth if you just spawn in

Price for a price

[lucid mauve]

That grow time is nothing if u could trade it for perks instead.

But yea , i would asume you get it to. From what he said

Gonna be though life when i sit in a corner with 5 parents and free food : P

[limber hull]

You're losing out on the ability to select from the entire roster, the ability to survive basically any attacker (terrible stats as a hatchling), complete reliance on whoever nested you (who can abandon you/die), so on

for a perk(s)

like, i feel you're very much overstating the benefits here

nesting is extremely unpopular atm

because it barely benefits the nested child at all

this would actually make it more enticing

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but why should it be benefits? It already is. But forcing people to sorta choose it cus you get even more bonuses. I like when people are running around on the map, trying to survive

[limber hull]

And I fail to see how this undoes that

Nesting is already notoriously difficult for the parents

(another reason it's so unpopular)

[lucid mauve]

No i mean, why should you promote nesting? Its just a choice

[limber hull]

It's a choice that should be worth taking

ATM it's nothing but socialising with debuffs

[lucid mauve]

Yea it already is

[limber hull]

It's not worth the effort atm

Genuinely just straightup worse than just spawning as juvi

[lucid mauve]

Yea it should, that i agree on. But i sorta tho the protection from others is good enough and socialise if thats what you want.

I honestly tho perks where really hard to get

[limber hull]

Perks aren't particularly said to be hard to get from what we've been told

As long as you... survive good, you get perks

The only "hard" perks are elder perks

Which you get from the whole "die of old age and start anew" thing

[lucid mauve]

Ahh, ok. Well if you sorta get them by growing. Its nice,but i hope its not like i get nested and 20% dmg buff cus my parents have some good elder perks : P

[limber hull]

damage buffs are off the table

no combat-oriented perks

[lucid mauve]

yea, but you know. Some good stuff, like even 20% less potent to venom or something

[limber hull]

no combat-oriented perks probably includes that too

venom resistance is combat oriented

[lucid mauve]

Yea thats good, if its fair im fine. I just hope its not sorta "forcing" people to get nested cus the bonus is just to good to not get nested

[limber hull]

I feel like only you feel that it's "forcing" people

[lucid mauve]

Play other games survival or not, if you can get an advantage people will.

[limber hull]

Which is why both juvis and hatchlings have their own advantages

[lapis swallow]

Nice

[proud coral]

I can see the whole point of "forcing" players to nest. Like you don't want the advantage of being nested in to be so good, that not choosing it always puts you at a disadvantage. I've seen games do similar things before and it......really sucks. <:I However, I don't think it would be that bad with Isle's nesting mechanic. The differences have already been listed off, but I feel just spawning survival-capable as a juvie by itself already makes it pretty distinct 😛

However, I could honestly see it going down the route of "nest or bust" if perks are done poorly.....especially if inheritance makes it worse (eg; clans get the good perks, nest in their friends, they all get free perks). So let's hope it's not that case.

[lucid robin]

i hope the perks are not like Day of Dragons where juvie spawns suck (aka all solo players have a horrible time) and big organized groups have the best stats because they spend hours grinding and nesting to get the perfect perks and bonuses then nest in their friends to make a huge OP dino group

[rare fractal]

It would also suck because unless there are clear visual indicators of what perks each player has simply by looking at them, you might be facing off with an animal that has an uncharacteristic statistical advantage over you that you could simply never know about

Which would be frustratingly unfair in the wrong sense

There’s something to be said about survival games not necessarily being fair, but the point is to afford the player the tools and agency to close that fairness gap to ensure their success

That’s how you encourage players to get better at the game their player, achievable fairness needs to be reasonable

Combat perks stand directly in the way of that

[grim onyx]

@robust palm you can sniff and tell where north south east and west are.

[stone mantle]

Not sure i want to make a formal suggestion yet, but i feel like having a homogenous diet (all carbs, protein or lipids) kinda defeats the point of having to move around the map to get a perfect diet. The bonuses from these homogenous diets are actually really good, especially considering most diets are bugged and don't work as intended. I think having a non-varied diet would give you some debuffs from poor diet (but not all) while still keeping the bonuses could potentially help mitigate this. Thoughts?

[harsh breach]

Yes, exactly.

[urban flax]

You get debuffs already for not filling your diets, having different buffs from having multiple of the same nutrients allow some customization for players and it's fine

[stone mantle]

yeah i'm not arguing against the variety of different buffs from diets, but having all 3 of the same nutrients gives really good buffs and it negates the whole point of the diet system: having to move around the map to avoid malnutrition

[icy lion]

I can agree that they're too strong for how easily obtainable they seem to be (depending on the species) but idk how I'd feel about adding debuffs to it

[urban flax]

ofc I'm still advocating for a complete rework of diets, as it's only a second iteration (for public at least)

There is a lot of things that needs addressing with current diets

[stone mantle]

was mostly thinking about implementing some of the same debuffs from poor diet (but perhaps not as extreme), depending on which nutrient you have

[stray onyx]

It is extremely easy to just eat one type of food. Of course the defect is just slower growth but it’s not that bad if u just do a routine. Like I grew a stego by just hiding in bushes for an hour and only coming out to drink at the safe watering area and to eat. I think a way to prevent this type of playstyle and to push for exploring the map, diets should become less and less useful the longer you stick to a single diet. Having 2 or all the diets negates this. Having 1 diet depending on diet will change what kinds of debuffs your dino will have from excessive eating of one thing. Like for example, someone who eats only fatty foods might not get fat, but their liver has to go overtime to help with digestion, filtration and storage which harms the liver. Eating too much protein causes gout and makes it painful to move at times. I do believe adding SOME kind of defect from eating a single diet for a prolonged period of time that it should come with a kind of stackable consequence to prevent repetition.

[barren zephyr]

@white mica that can be abused waaaaaaaaaay too easily

[stone mantle]

yep, basically what i'm proposing

[rough phoenix]

How could it be abused?

[barren zephyr]

Quickly spawn at every location and instant die

[rough phoenix]

Just add a like a 5 minute timer to it when you spawn

Thats not too big of a problem

[barren zephyr]

Now you can go on the edge of spawn and slay yourself

Easy food

[rough phoenix]

Then make it so you get debuffs for eating yourself

Its positives out weigh its negatives

[white mica]

not if that option doesn't leave a corpse

[urban flax]

But what about people using it to deny their predators food then ?

[white mica]

Make it a minute or 2 to log out to kill yourself?

[urban flax]

Hm
Could work

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrOr we could just fix the hitbox on charge and see how much better it gets from there.

[barren zephyr]

@cyan flame that would fix how op carno charges are tho

[urban flax]

There's no need to nerf it that much while a hitbox nerf might be enough

[cyan flame]

Yes, it would, because the absolutely most op thing with the charge is right now is the fact that the hithox is very off.

[faint folio]

Yeah, this is too punishing... You take 150 damage and you can't use your special anymore... You take a single bite (most bites also deal bleed) and you can't use your special. You near starve and you can't use your best attack to help get more food...

[barren zephyr]

ok, well, we can disagree, but you don't have to dislike my suggestion, it's a concept that can be used to inspire similar ideas and what not. 🤨

[faint folio]

Sure broken bones should disable charge, that seems fair. But the rest is extremely punishing.

[barren zephyr]

like I said it is loose, it doesn't have to be all those things at once and those suggestions can change

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure that's already a thing?

Or can carno for some reason charge with a broken leg?

[faint folio]

Not sure... I personally dislike carno playstyle... It's too stiff and bulky feeling, so I don't play it often

I kinda think a simple cool down on the ability might work... You can't slam into the wall at full speed and immediately pop up and do it again seconds later.

But I also think any changes should be done one at a time and tested, starting with the hitbox fix

[barren zephyr]

ye exactly, just some kind of cool down

[faint folio]

Otherwise it's too easy to accidentally nerf things into the ground and unbalance

[rare fractal]

Still needs a stun limit reduction

[faint folio]

Well yes, but that goes for everything in game atm... Pachy, carno, deino can all stun lock to win, and that shouldn't be possible

[maiden anvil]

@white mica I did leave a dislike but I do agree with the idea of able to delete your character. Though I’d preferred if it was an option to do it from server menu and not in game

[white mica]

This is a good suggestion

[barren zephyr]

@mild quest in my opinion, it would be better if the body camera was optional. maybe they can be scattered across the map in buildings, or maybe they're given out at spawn. when a mercenary dies, other mercenaries will then be able to look through the footage, using the computers that are gonna be available in specific buildings. the way they are able to look through the footage is by taking out a usb and plugging it into a computer. this will also make the body camera reusable. it's already planned for the mercenaries to be able to look through the different cameras around the map, so body cameras are definitely possible.

[rare fractal]

Well...yes

[uneven mist]

@undone iris the difference is that you are mostly talking about modern croc and gator, but deino is an 8 ton gator and it makes sense it can’t climb or run as fast. Hell the juvis and subs run’s really fast too rn

[rare fractal]

It's also not bound to be realistic if it being realistic imbalances it

[quartz pendant]

@delicate spindle I don't think being able to choose between male or female is too great of an idea. Currently if you keep your nest on the colder side you get more females & hotter = more males, and I'd hate to lose that functionality. Plus, I mean, getting nested in should limit you in SOME ways, and I feel a little bit of thrill for what you're going to be gender-wise is fun

[lucid robin]

@crystal trail #general-feedback message this suggestion did not get the ✅ emoji, can you add it please?

[lucid robin]

@crystal trail #general-feedback message yet another suggestion that didnt get the right emojis. this one needs the ❌ emoji if u would be so kind as to add it

[barren zephyr]

Nah that's a horrible idea

You can still lag the server with so many bodys

Itd be weird to have 5 FG stegos just drop dead

Lots of people would exploit that

Even i would

@rare fractal i noticed you downvoted on my suggestion
Why is that
#general-feedback message

[barren zephyr]

I think discord administrators can fix that

[rough phoenix]

if you waste the 6 hours to grow a stego just to lag the server, theres just something wrong with you lmao

[rough phoenix]

cerato will have a field day if someone tried that lmao

[barren zephyr]

There are several things wrong with isle players 🤣

[rough phoenix]

like those problems are really big stretches

[barren zephyr]

Nah.
Its a bad idea and it should not get implemented

[lucid robin]

well they haven't

(<@&401466542140817419> please fix 2 of the 3 latest suggestions, they are missing reactions)

[icy lion]

We can't

[lucid robin]

well who can?

[icy lion]

Punch, most likely

[rough phoenix]

How is it a bad idea name one actually negative thing thats not far fetched

[lucid robin]

already pinged him twice and he hasn't responded or done it, and it showed him as active and not busy 😭

[barren zephyr]

Already did

[rough phoenix]

Ceratos will clean up the stegos if people try that

[barren zephyr]

I mean as juvies

[rough phoenix]

The game already fixes the problem

[barren zephyr]

People who are mad will go and spam kill themselves

[rough phoenix]

free food

[rough phoenix]

ceratos still got it

[barren zephyr]

What if all the ceratos decide to do it? 😂

[rare fractal]

Yeah I can explain!
I’m at work atm so follow up may be sparse.
As a balancing point generally: Creatures with high mobility should not have good tracking, especially not group oriented hunters.

You already have the several sets of eyes to rely on, Troodon is the second fastest terrestrial in the roster as far as we know currently, and Omni is also incredibly fast relative to the animals it would be hunting, and just in general.
Omni also has an incredible stamina economy while trotting, has an incredible jump relative to the roster, and high bleed damage to leave behind excess tracks anyway….

Bottom line, if you’re faster than your target, and are in a group, you shouldn’t even need the tracking system to keep up with your prey, if you fail to do this it’s a simple skill issue our you got outplayed.

Good tracking should be mostly present in animals with below average speeds or mobility because they’re the creatures that’ll often lose LOS of their target due to fleeing which they can’t account for through simple chasing, they’d have to pursue through attrition….
Good examples of this are critters like Megalania, Giga, or Cerato.

[barren zephyr]

I said in my suggestion those dinos were just examples

I think there should be different scent typea rather than just range

[rare fractal]

Yes but the general idea of the suggestion is to enhance their scenting mechanics to be more effective, I don’t think they should

[barren zephyr]

Do you not agree that certain dinos should have better scent?

[stone mantle]

cera will be able to smell vomit, and its bite can cause vomiting

[barren zephyr]

Wait fr?

[stone mantle]

which is an edge no other dino will have at that point

[rare fractal]

Oh well ofcourse

[stone mantle]

yes

[barren zephyr]

It can smell vomit?

[barren zephyr]

Thats what i was suggesting

[stone mantle]

yeah. eating from rotten corpses will infect their bites with bacteria, which can make whatever they bite sick as if they ate from the corpse themselves

[rare fractal]

That was the basic premise, but you were suggesting specifics, if you kept it more basic I probably would’ve upvoted it

[barren zephyr]

Sorry i am on mobile so it was worded weirdly but idk what you mean

[stone mantle]

the compass/scent ui and footprints/blood effects are subject to change i believe which might make them more reliable

[rare fractal]

Well I agree with the basic ideas, but not the examples you gave of how this would apply, specifically with Troodon and Omni

[barren zephyr]

Good

[rare fractal]

They’re two animals least in need of a competent tracking system at all

[barren zephyr]

Well i disagree with that

Omni is supposed to be terrifying

[stone mantle]

every carnivore is supposed to be terrifying to something

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but I mean actually terrifying. If you cant be tracked down in the woods youre fine

And being tracked down by somwthing like q carno is fairly easy to escape from

[stone mantle]

omnis used to be pretty terrifying, even solo, in the past, or so i've heard...

[barren zephyr]

No i dont mean terrifying in that sense

I mean to make it horrifying

[stone mantle]

how so?

[rare fractal]

It is already, what does tracking have to do with that

Nothing can run away from it besides Carno Troodon and Galli in the completed roster anyway

It doesn’t even need tracking because nothing can lose it

[barren zephyr]

No it's not. If you can escape in the woods from the most agile dino what do you fear?

[rare fractal]

If you did, good for you

[barren zephyr]

Either im getting really noob players or its easy to escape them

You shouldnt have to be good at a game to enjoy it

[stone mantle]

dunno about troodon or galli but i'm pretty sure carnos are at a huge disadvantage in the forest vs omnis

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

So giving a dino like carno good scent doesnt make sense

[stone mantle]

it doesn't, no. not sure how it currently compares to omni in the scent department though

[rare fractal]

What’s the point of getting better at the game if getting better doesn’t enhance your enjoyment?

Like…it’s a survival game

Youll struggle if you don’t know what you’re doing

And like seriously, the only 2 animals that can actual escape a determined Omni are deino and ptera

[south oar]

Agreed with that first part, you need to learn games most of the time to increase your enjoyment. The game itself was already an enjoyment to me when I was learning it, and as I got better the more my enjoyment increased, forcing ya to learn and strategize. If you don't like survival games, or games with learning curves go to something easy. Games like Ark, The isle, The forest, they all kinda have their own learning curves but it naturally comes with survival games. Some people like that, and some don't, those who don't usually don't like most survival games, and that's alright just do other games :>

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say it shouldn't. However, new players shouldnt have to suffer because they waited to buy the game

[rare fractal]

I’m not sure what you’d prefer tbh…buffing tracking to be strong enough to where noob omnis track well just countershifts what players are going to be having a harder time, which in this case would be the slower playables like teno or Pachy….which would be bad, because neither of those animals can choose what they fight, they’re not fast enough for that, Omni however, can.

I also don’t like coddling new players in a survival game by making the mechanics used to kill other players accessible

That’s how you reduce skill ceilings AND floors

Which typically in games is how you get a VERY stagnant player landscape

[barren zephyr]

Not that easy but easier

[rare fractal]

Mhm, that’s essentially my point explained even better!
There are games that will have easier learning curves with mechanics and strategy, and those games will most often be PVR focused instead of PVP focused like the isle is, because with PVE games you can have more accessible success states because “winning” means gaining an advantage that doesn’t effect the gameplay of other players….but if your success comes at the cost of another players time then the stakes are gonna be higher

[rare fractal]

I genuinely don’t know what scenario a semi competent Omni would even need tracking…

I don’t know why we’d want that made easier when they already have the most versatile movement in the game

[barren zephyr]

I've had several times In the woods where carnos got away after bleeding quite a lot not even a trace of them

[rare fractal]

Wow

Unless they were sub adults, I’m not sure how they managed that

Good for them

[barren zephyr]

It's easy

Iv've done it

[rare fractal]

Well yeah it’s supposed to for Carno

[barren zephyr]

Bruh

[cyan flame]

The one playable faster than you. Leave carnos alone, hunt the other, slower things xD Easy solution, leave carno for when you're really good (as you should).

[rare fractal]

Carno is practically the only animal in the game that can do that

Because Omni is actually quite fast

[barren zephyr]

An adult carni is supposed to be hard to track?

[rare fractal]

Yes

Because it’s the only animal in the game faster than you

It’s also your only predator

And I do mean only

[barren zephyr]

So kill it

[rare fractal]

I’m not sure what your point is :p

[barren zephyr]

Utahs vs carno is supposed to be a fair fight

[barren zephyr]

Compared to carno? Not at all

[rare fractal]

No it’s not

[cyan flame]

Not really no. Sure, if you have 3+ of them and you jump the carno, but in that case the carno can escape you if it has cover nearby (so plan your hunt).

[rare fractal]

Carno is the only animal in the game capable of hunting you, and it’s supposed to be good at it, which it is

[cyan flame]

... It's a carno, it's like comparing to galli, those two are fast, way faster than most.

[barren zephyr]

Carno has 0 predators then

[rare fractal]

Yes, that’s why Carno is a particularly weak animal, it can escape everything but it’s prey pool is very limited

Not everything needs to be preyed upon to be controlled

[barren zephyr]

Im fine with a carno being able to escape utahs but once he engages in combat or if he was ambushed he shouldnt be able to shake it off and run away

[rare fractal]

Well a Carno can only sprint for 45 seconds on a full bar of stam

So it can’t, unless you let it

[barren zephyr]

58 seconds*

[cyan flame]

Yes, for now it does not, aside from other carnos, or if it gets jumped by deino or omnis in a bad spot and so on. But carno also probs wont have actual "predators", as much as things that'll limit it due to it not being able to contest at all.

[rare fractal]

Unless it got a buff it’s still at 45

[barren zephyr]

I tested after 6.5. If you have the 25% stam buff (and yes there is one) you can run for 120 seconds or so

[rare fractal]

Oh yeah as long as deino exists Carno will always have a predator

[rare fractal]

The stam buff diet is bugged and currently doesn’t function

[south oar]

Yes!

[rare fractal]

Was even publicly acknowledged by the devs

That test isn’t possible

[barren zephyr]

Well duh but when is a carno ever gonna die to a carno less it gets ambushed by the water

[rare fractal]

When it overcommits to a fight it can’t win

[barren zephyr]

Unless you glitch it

[rare fractal]

You can’t glitch that diet it physically has no function atm

Plus a 25% buff wouldn’t come out to 120 from 45

That’s well over double

[barren zephyr]

58*

Not 45

And idr the seconds

Maybe it was 116

[rare fractal]

A buff wasn’t in the patch notes and my testing is consistent with U5 runtimes so idk what to tell ya :p

[rare fractal]

It can’t be over 55 if it’s a 25% buff

[barren zephyr]

Oh my bad. I meant 70 seconds

Somewhere around 70 seconds

[rare fractal]

45 x 1.25 = roughly 56 seconds

Or rather 57

Not to mention that diet literally doesn’t function

So the test is impossible regardless

[barren zephyr]

Dude itd 58 seconds not 45

[barren zephyr]

Ik. However, there is a 25% stam buff

The 15% stam buff doesnt work

The 25% one does tho

[north quiver]

I actually consistently got 1:02 seconds of runtime for carno when it has full stam but that might be because I started the timer as SOON as shift was clicked

not much of a difference compared to 58 seconds

[barren zephyr]

I had my friend time it so yeah

Maybe he delayed it

But i timed with the 25% buff and ran for like 74 seconds

[north quiver]

that’s a whole 13 seconds of delay then lol a large area for error

[barren zephyr]

Wdym?

[north quiver]

I’ve heard the buffs sometimes work

[barren zephyr]

I ran longer because i had a better diet

[north quiver]

the 45 vs 58 seconds of runtime

[barren zephyr]

The 45 seconds was wrong

That was what he was saying

[north quiver]

yep

[rare fractal]

When was the buff?

It’s been 45 for the longest time

[barren zephyr]

I dont think that was true

[north quiver]

maybe after the update? I never tested it before 6. I tested it this update in scope’s server and got 1:02 consistently as soon as shift was tapped (might have rounded it from 1:01 because of the decimal being .5 or higher, don’t remember)

[rare fractal]

Hmm, that would’ve had to have been recent

Might be a bug with diets, the base runtime might actually still be 45 but for whatever reason it’s applying that 25% buff somehow