general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

Eh if Dondi was fired, he would take the game with him 🤷 just stop playing and you won't have to suffer anymore

[pure quiver]

I'm sure Dondi is actually vital to the game's development, or maybe he's just positioned himself into a seat of immovable power and everyone is stuck under his thumb?

Who knows

[brave pike]

We have video evidence, dm devs, discord operators WHO ARE ONLINE AND TALKING. No one helps FOR HOURS. I’ve seen harassment and hate

[limber hull]

i've expressed my concerns literally dozens of times, there's a difference between "expressing your concerns" and "hating the game and letting people know", a line people here don't know how not to cross

[brave pike]

There was no hate until we were ignored and then my friend got banned

[urban flax]

It's actually not legally possible to fire the director of a company, because... well, firing people is his job

If anything they could all leave the team, but if they wanted to, I'm pretty sure they'd already done it

[barren zephyr]

Exactly, that's what I mean. If Dondi "goes" the game goes with him lol

[brave pike]

I love the game, I don’t want to see it go and I know you can’t actually fire dondi. But for the sake of his game he needs to grow up

[pure quiver]

Socyou're saying he better learn some professionalism or take his hands off the wheel as director?

[limber hull]

i never understood what people want from dondi in terms of professionalism

[pure quiver]

I mean, tbf, all a director does is have the last say, veto any choices the team makes or ideas they propose. He guides the aesthetics and experience of the game. It is an important position

[brave pike]

Professionalism, as in not throw tantrums and silence people for having other opinions

[pure quiver]

@limber hull I meam, when dealing with strangers fron the internet it'd be pretty difficult to keep up much patience and kindness, but no one would blame him for taking a break and recharging those batteries

[brave pike]

He could take criticism and either address it properly and point out its flaws, or use it to better the game

[limber hull]

Never seen him throw a tantrum

[urban flax]

As in, act like a robot and don't stand up against people who trashtalk you

[limber hull]

Basically how I see it

[sudden tapir]

I report hackers all the time, never had an issue. Odd.

[limber hull]

As someone who was in a very similar position to Dondi in the past, professionalism was basically a way to say "dont have a personality"

[brave pike]

We tried reporting hackers and never got answers

[urban flax]

I saw Dondi get mad a few times in this server, everytime he wasn't the one to start the conflict

[brave pike]

I stood near a hacker and almost got killed multiple times so that someone could tp and see for themselves

[sudden tapir]

If you were saying this about Dondi in early 2020, I would probably agree with you, but idk man, doesn't hold up.

[barren crater]

Yeah, I don’t think they remove comments like that

[pure quiver]

@limber hull I didnt know you were a game dev?

[barren zephyr]

That's more of an issue with the staff team than Dondi himself tbh

[limber hull]

Lead Game Designer for SCP:SL

[sudden tapir]

?

[pure quiver]

Nice

[brave pike]

I said dondi and his staff need to grow up

[sudden tapir]

Oh sweet

[sudden tapir]

In what way?

Like seriously, find me a recent issue and I'll agree with you.

[brave pike]

As in listen to the community, and not just being submissive I’m not saying do whatever we say obviously that wouldn’t work. But completely disregarding everything we say doesn’t fly either

POT does such a good job, I’ve never had one issue playing that game

[sudden tapir]

[brave pike]

Only seen one hacker and it got dealt with

[pure quiver]

@brave pike Like I said, I'm sure it's frustrating to deal with strangers online constantly, not knowing the intent of most messages or pings, especially for a slow-burning development cycle and impatient fans.

Some people dont have the temperment to deal with constant and often repeating messages from strangers with varying maturity and vocabulary.

I'm not saying they cant be an assholes or "immature" but maybe they're just tired?? Idk

[brave pike]

I refused to play POT because I thought the isle was just superior. And in some ways it is. But after playing POT I don’t know if I can go back to the isle. I get dondi and his staff are human but POT staff seem to actually care about their community and it shows

[sudden tapir]

Normally if you report a hacker, it will be investigated and delt with quietly, you won't see a ping or anything saying "We got them!"

The issue is the sheer amount of hackers using the new clients.

[barren zephyr]

I saw someone say to add a weight system that determines your health, damage, and diet 💀

[sudden tapir]

5$ hack clients are pretty dominant rn

[brave pike]

Like I said, I stood next to the hacker while my buddies dmed multiple people asking for help and we tried to be quiet about it so the hacker didn’t see

They didn’t answer us but talked in chat about nothing important

[urban flax]

Why didn't you try to ping mods instead of the devs ?

[brave pike]

WE DID

[topaz pendant]

@brave pike omg that is a risky feedback

[sudden tapir]

In the proper server channel? And did you ping a discord mod or server admin?

[brave pike]

YES

Video evidence and all

[sudden tapir]

Then it was probably delt with

[brave pike]

We even sent the video to them

And it wasn’t dealt with because we all got slaughtered

Came back and hour later and the speed croc was still there

[barren crater]

Unfortunately, the admin team is small. Even if they got on, this build has allowed so many hackers that they wouldn’t be able to keep up. I wish they were able to get more admins though

[brave pike]

Still killing people

[sudden tapir]

Damn, a shame.

Don't know what to tell you. Also hacking as Deino is pretty redundant lol

[barren crater]

Also the times the hackers get on are mainly late for the admin team

[sudden tapir]

Like right now

[barren crater]

They do get on early, but a lot more show up late

[brave pike]

This wasn’t just one case. And the amount of times my buddies comments would get erased for mentioning hackers

So they would dm privately and get ignored

[sudden tapir]

I have literally never seen that before.

[brave pike]

Every. Time.

[sudden tapir]

A shame.

But I kinda don't believe you.

[barren crater]

I guess that’s possible, however I’ve never experienced that. Usually I get ignored

[low canopy]

many words

[brave pike]

I’m not just making stuff up to start drama and if you don’t believe me oh well

[sudden tapir]

Indeed, oh well

[limber hull]

Unless you somehow made every mention of hackers also weirdly attacking the devs idk how you're getting constantly deleted

[brave pike]

I’m sick of the abuse and I’m surprised I’ve even lasted this long without getting banned

[sudden tapir]

Still, none of this adds up to why you made that general feedback post...

[mint agate]

Whats the point in replying so passive aggressively hacker?

[brave pike]

Because it got people talking

[sudden tapir]

?

[limber hull]

?????????

[sudden tapir]

Which message?

[mint agate]

They made that post because of the video that was made a few hours ago

[low canopy]

none of this is related to the feedback itself

[sudden tapir]

Pretty sure it's not.

They said before it's about hackers not getting banned.

[barren crater]

I think he’s referring to xzags vid

[mint agate]

^

[barren zephyr]

Saying "Dondi bad" isn't really a new or exciting take, prolly best to just move on at this point

[brave pike]

It’s honestly many things

[limber hull]

X Zag vid is so funny to me

[sudden tapir]

What?

[barren crater]

He means the post “remove dondi” is in reference to the vid

[limber hull]

X Zag made a vid about why he got banned by Dondi after going on a tantrum

[brave pike]

My main point is that this community is getting treated like garbage. It’s happened to my group and it’s happened to many others whether you’ve seen it or not.

[sudden tapir]

Yeah but what does he mean about me being passive aggressive?

I'm lost

[low canopy]

you were not

[limber hull]

disagreed

[sudden tapir]

Indeed, I disagreed.

[barren crater]

I can see how it comes off as passive aggressive tbf. Tone via text moment. I assumed you weren’t being passive aggressive though

[sudden tapir]

I just said I disagreed

[mint agate]

Your "a shame" or " i kinda dont believe you" came off quite passive aggressive or dismissive would be a better term i guess.

[brave pike]

I just hope this game thrives. I really do. Whatever happens that’s all I hope for

[sudden tapir]

Yes, I was being dismissive, because I just don't believe them, never seen any post get removed for just reporting a hacker.

[barren crater]

Same

[brave pike]

How can you see a post get removed for any reason if it got removed? You aren’t on 24/7

[sudden tapir]

I am pretty damn active tho, and seen dozens of reports, even on the official channels, they are still there.

[barren crater]

They’re usually ignored

[sudden tapir]

I don't know why it would be removed, and I have never seen such messages get removed.

[sudden tapir]

yeah

[brave pike]

What do I gain from any of this. I’m not a youtuber, I won’t get money. I don’t have a hatred for the game itself, I love dinosaur games. I just wanted to show what’s been going on in the background. To people who aren’t active in chat but when they are to seek help get ignored or removed.

That’s all

Believe me or not

That’s my final say

[sudden tapir]

Yeah, I have no idea, but I have never seen it happen, and reports and pings that do get made are still there, so I don't know what you mean, that is all.

[latent olive]

I can only think of one reason why they’d delete hacker reports

and that’s because they dealt with the issue and so they don’t want previous reports clogging up the channel

[sudden tapir]

Improper channel would be the only thing that springs to mind

[mint agate]

the hacker becoming self aware

?

[sudden tapir]

Bro I have no idea what you are talking about

[mint agate]

It was a bad joke

Its late lol

[latent olive]

@warm stone denied

Public tests did nothing

The public stress test for U4 was used by the community just to get a look at the update before it released

Barely anything was reported

[barren crater]

I kind of just treated it like it was additional content

[latent olive]

@glossy bridge when you rest, press H to stand back up without using stamina

Using the WASD keys makes you stand up quickly

[rancid raptor]

@earnest saddle I understand your idea, but our modern crocodiles are different from an 8ton deinosuchus

[cyan flame]

Isn't a vertical lunge planned for deino already anyway?

[earnest saddle]

Fair point.

[rancid raptor]

Don't think it'll look close to our modern crocodiles' jump, nor would it be as high

[cyan flame]

Maybe not, but they did say they wanted something like that. So it'll probably be similar, but less impressive height, which is fine, since I imagine it'd mostly be used to catch skimming or very low flying pteras.

[urban flax]

What strikes me more is that it would be completely useless as a mechanic
What does a deino really gets from eating a ptera anyways

[rancid raptor]

Way less impressive height. Realism isn't their main focus, but they do aim for a certain amount of realism

[rancid raptor]

It's just a cool mechanic deino players can play with, along with (potentially) other semi-aquatics

[cyan flame]

Good question. But maybe they had other ideas, could also be used to catch things jumping across a river, maybe? If you can somehow time that right.

Or catch a breaching beipi.

[rancid raptor]

also, it could snatch a quetz if it jumped

quetz wouldnt be useless

[cyan flame]

I doubt a quetz would fly that low for some reason.

[rancid raptor]

yea you're right but maybe yk

[urban flax]

I would like to see a deino snatching a dino jumping over a river honestly
That's be a well deserved kill

[cyan flame]

But I guess if one does, then sure, catch it :p

[limber hull]

i'll be honest, the best use i see out of vert lunge is not catching flying things, but swimming things. Rather than swimming straight up to catch a prey item swimming over, vert lunge, drag down, dead

[rancid raptor]

perhaps deinos jump could be half its bodylength, or quarter

[glass ether]

Seems like a good mechanic tbh

[rancid raptor]

Imagine a deino jumping above water with a teno in its mouth, great way to rub it in lol. in front of the teno herd

[glass ether]

https://tenor.com/view/sharks-ocean-slomo-hungry-jump-gif-3390622

Bro said… ^

[rancid raptor]

hm, well great whites have been recorded to be above 2 tons and can jump that high

but i imagine they're way faster than the deino

[glass ether]

Not to mention a deino is 8 TON!

But would be glorious

[rancid raptor]

the more weight, the harder the jump is

[glass ether]

Soo its more of a advantage for the younger ones then?

[rancid raptor]

It's just a mechanic that needs to be taken into consideration with a grain of salt

[glass ether]

I say between the head and front legs is max for adult deino to breach

[rancid raptor]

Considering how harmless dryos are and how few people play them, I don't see why a buff is a problem

[limber hull]

it needs buffs, just not boring stuff like speed buffs

[rancid raptor]

Why would it even get a speed buff? The main reason why people play it is to get chased. No one will chase it if it's faster than em

[earnest saddle]

Can you do it for juvie deinos?

[rancid raptor]

Perhaps it could be so that the heavier you are, the less you can jump?

The same way with Megalania: The more you grow, the less you climb

[earnest saddle]

yes

That would be perfect.

[urban flax]

<@&933486433342222376> Weirdo in #general-feedback

[tame tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-man-talk-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-let-him-speak-quit-interrupting-gif-20315341

[urban flax]

There are more appropriate servers and channels for trying to be funny

[tame tartan]

you're not the thinker bro 💀

[urban flax]

Who's to say that ?

[tame tartan]

me

:3

[small lark]

If you are not going to invest in the legacy anymore, why are the images shown in the store still from the old version?

[icy lion]

Because legacy is still the default aka main branch of the game. Once evrima becomes the main branch, the store page will be updated

[small lark]

Thanks xD
I only asked because I feel that Evrima's images would be much more striking in the store. Grateful.

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
"raptors weren't really pack hunters."
r e a l l y -

[scarlet ocean]

What does bro mean by raptors aren’t pack animals 💀 Nani

[urban flax]

Not to mention omniraptor isn't even a real animal so even if irl raptors were obligate herbivores it wouldn't matter

[scarlet ocean]

I see where he gets it from, I looked it up, but I wouldn’t call those sources very reputable, plus it’s only said to be about velociraptors 💀 a raptor that’s not even in the game yet

Hell, troodon I think is a raptoid and technically ever even existed, but still is a nightmareish pack hunter.

[fair drum]

does anyone know when the titanoboa is being relesed

[limber hull]

no

[proud coral]

Titanoboa is likely gonna be a far, far, far future kind of creature and even then, won't be a playable. It's said to instead be an AI hazard if it ever is added.

[limber hull]

People don't even know IF Titanoboa is being released

[proud coral]

Laophis is cooler

👍

[tepid gate]

we do actually

it's not getting released

the devs have said that at... some point

so yea the answer to that first question would be never

[clever lion]

What thit he say

[urban flax]

Animated gay sex for dinos

[clever lion]

What the ####💀💀💀💀

[limber hull]

I MISSED IT?

God damn I wanted another funny feedback post

[urban flax]

It wasn't that funny
Just someone looking for attention

[limber hull]

ah, lame

i was hoping it was like the dilo/carnotaurus one

[urban flax]

The dilo/carnotaurus one ?

[limber hull]

someone made an extremely broken english feedback post about dilo biting carnotaurus and it making carno horny

[urban flax]

Oh yeah I think I remember it

[limber hull]

it was utterly absurd and ridiculous

[rare fractal]

I leave for a few hours....

[rancid raptor]

makes sense

As for the lighting, no. Lumen lighting will do us wonders.
Nightvision, though, that needs some changing in the future for sure.

This is good, but I wonder how it'd make sense - as in real life, mature and halfbroken horns don't grow back.

Absolutely not @fast minnow

With all due respect I don't see why this is upvoted
In nature, every animal VERY quiet when they're vulnerable. Specially when it comes to passively vulnerable species.

That is why critters, such as mice, are very quiet.

The devs will never add this feature.
Simply because the game needs talking to be risky. It creates a balance. We need it.

[rancid raptor]

The only form of "quiet" talk we see with animals in vulnerable situations is bodylanguage

Which is something the devs won't focus on at all, anytime soon. we have larger, more logical priorities

This is cool, I agree that further down the line - carno's ramming animation could use a little change-up.
Perhaps making it so it rams more with it horns/hard part of its head, rather than its lips.

[fast minnow]

I didn't say remove all sounds. But when 3 cannibals can read and understand perfectly your messages from a mile away is not good. You can already negate this all by using VC. This is a problem with nesting public.

[rancid raptor]

No

I didn't interprete your suggestion as removing all sound either

I interpreted it as it was, a suggestion that wanted groups to have a "quiet talk groupchat" option

Yes you can already negate it all by using vc, but not everyone uses VC.

That's a very bad argument. If that argument was logical, I could say "well we might aswell remove all communication sounds because it can be negated by VC anyways"

With all due respect, even though i find your suggestion to be fun and could be an option for community servers, it should not be anywhere close to officials. Anywhere close

[rancid raptor]

It IS good, because it is a part of the survival element in EVRIMA

It encourages you to be way more cautious with your communication, which creatures are in the wildlife. (in vulnerable situations)

I explained that earlier

Moving on, yes. A dryo buff isn't all that risky. Dryo players are rare, and the dryo itself is close to harmless. I don't see a problem with it

Dryo could be a menace, a nightmare for juvies.

Anyways, moving on to this;

I find this common suggestion interesting, because pteranodon is already very much a scavenger. (its playstyle)

Currently, instead of following their diets (going across the map for crabs and frogs), ptera players tend to scavenge dead corpses for diets. Even from corpses that are far from in their diet.

Pteranodons are way more dependant on scavenging, than for example the omni. or the carno. or the deino. Way, way more.

[rancid raptor]

@jagged jewel @robust dome

Making the pteranodon the most scavenging species in our roster atm

Pteras are even able to fly around with stego insides in their mouthes, that are almost larger than the ptera itself lol. Ptera is pretty much built for it

We don't need to make the ptera a scavenger. It's far from important.
Perhaps they could tweak its diet very long down the line, but it's far from necessary at this moment.

[robust dome]

Y did u ping me ?

[limber hull]

just wanted you to feel included

[fast minnow]

I disagree

I don't consider this a survival element. Same as i don't consider pachy ramming the tip of the tail and one's getting a body fracture a combat feature.

[cyan flame]

@fast minnowI believe the devs intended for there to be different call ranges for local at some point. Such as a whisper, normal talk, and shout option.

So unless that has changed, chat with more options might be a thing, allowing for better communication in different situations.

[rancid raptor]

That's a ping + hitbox issue, it's not a combat feature lol

[rancid raptor]

Wrong, that's misinformation. I pinged him because he had a similar suggestion. Don't interfere if you don't have anything useful to contribute into the conversation, all due respect. Thank you

[limber hull]

thank you for making me feel included too

[rancid raptor]

Alright Kraken, can we try to imagine a few scenarios where this feature gets used?

[rancid raptor]

You joined the conversation, you included yourself imo

[rancid raptor]

Scenario 1:
Herbivore pack takes the feature in use. They use the "quiet talk" groupchat. Nearby, there's a (lets say) omni-pack that has 2 starving omnis.

Since they can't hear you, one of the omnis starve to death inevitably.

However, if this useless feature wasn't included - the omnis could have heard you, and perhaps killed one of your weaker members in the pack. Causing the omni not to starve

This is just 1 scenario

Regardless, people around you being able to hear you whilst you're chattering isn't an issue. It's not gamebreaking, it's not unbalanced

[limber hull]

also its not misinformation, it's a joke. public forum, there's no code of conduct, i'll joke if i want to lol. if you dont like people butting into conversations, you always have DMs

[rancid raptor]

@fast minnow The only reason why people would want this feature, is to feel more comfortable. But EVRIMA's atmosphere isn't supposed to make you feel "comfortable". The devs have implied, and stated, multiple times - EVRIMA is a survival game.

Chattering should be able to lead to consequence. Just like in the wild, if you don't want to get spotted, you stay quiet.

[rancid raptor]

I don't like those sort of jokes, because you misinform by making it seem like my intentions were something they weren't.

I never said I didn't like people joining into my conversations, you just made it seem like I included you when you included yourself.
Nowhere did I imply that was a bad thing either

[rancid raptor]

If I'm correct about which animal it was, @fast minnow , on animal planet - a scene where a baby quokka kept conversating got punished by its mother. (like, the mother moved it and made it stop making sound)

Because, news flash, you ain't supposed to make alot of sound when you're vulnerable

[cyan flame]

Considering we no longer have group chat, or global, it might not be a bad idea to have different ranges of the local chat. So you can be "quiet" and only talk to those right next to you, as well as shout to make yourself heard further away as a long range "local".

[limber hull]

i really do want a long range chat

maybe on a heavier cooldown and tied to broadcast calls

so you can make one "broadcast" message every 15 seconds

[cyan flame]

At the least, there's potential for various chat ranges and abilities, and it'd hardly be a bad idea, since it'd give you more options than either not using calls at all, or a third party option. Same with having variations of the normal four calls, louder and quieter ones, such as threaten or even warning for danger.

[rancid raptor]

Not necessary, and removes part of the survival element in limiting your chatter.

This suggestion is one of the most non-important things the devs should be focused on. It's not needed, at least a large amount of the community would partly disagree with it, and it's not necessary at all

our current chatter system is not a problem what so ever, not unbalanced. not nothing @cyan flame

Also, since when did people largely complain about getting killed due to making sound when chattering?
Perhaps it doesn't happen often because people know when to shut up?

[cyan flame]

It's not neccesary, but it would be a good addition and it should be, because it adds more use to the ingame calls, and it has been mentioned by the devs before so there's that too. Besides, no one said it has to happen right now, they could work on it later on.

[rancid raptor]

Can you explain why it would be a good addition compared to what we currently have?

[limber hull]

even just adding normal short calls and long range broadcast chat would be wonderful

[rancid raptor]

@quaint jacinth No. Perhaps this can be a thing on community servers, optionally, but it should not come anywhere close officials.

It's abusable

[cyan flame]

Easy. It gives you more options. You can call out to someone from a further distance in local, or keep quiet and plot with your friend to murder the third guy while not having to keep too much distance, since you can now "whisper" to each other. Same way a quieter threaten call would be nice to just warn someone away without letting the whole forest know you're there, or the same for a danger call, a shorter and less vocal for someone who is nearby, vs shouting at something over a distance.

[cyan flame]

There were plans for both a "shout" and "whisper" for the local chat from what I remember, so hopefully. That plus better variation for the other calls would be nice.

[limber hull]

Could even do it like how legacy does it, pressing tab to swap chat types, except it all remains in a single chatbox

[icy lion]

That was mentioned so long ago, I hope it's still in the cards

[rancid raptor]

This will require new animations in order to not look weird, along with perhaps new sounds, which means work and resources need to be used.

Again, it's not necessary. We got other priorities

[icy lion]

Currently yea, but it'd be an excellent QOL and gameplay addition further on

[limber hull]

Standard, whisper and broadcast.
Standard be how it is
Whisper is low calls for an EXTREMELY limited range
Broadcast is loud blasting calls for an insanely far distance call, but at the cost of revealing location and a decent cooldown

[rancid raptor]

How is it logical to assume that the devs "Have it in the cards" when they removed global chat long ago and made it so there's only one chat?

[cyan flame]

It does not. You don't need more anims for basic chat call, and probs not for the others either honestly. Besides, they've put down energy and time on other things we "didn't need", so that's not much of an argument. And sure, not neccesary, still a good idea, that's all.

[limber hull]

(the cooldown is because i think really long ranged conversations is kinda dumb and i dont want people spamming a billion messages super long range)

[urban flax]

I wasn't a fan of group chat allowing you to be heard only by group members, but a limited-range whisper chat sounds nice

[rancid raptor]

You think it won't require more animations/different sounds?

[icy lion]

Because they mentioned adding chat ranges (not new chat types or options, just ranges) after the global removal

[urban flax]

As long as it's not 100% silent

[limber hull]

We literally already have a broadcast animation and call

[cyan flame]

For the basic chat call, that the suggestion is talking about, no. You just adjust the volume, you got anim/sound. For the other four, maybe, depends on what you do with them I would say.

[rancid raptor]

Who mentioned it?

[limber hull]

You could make the rex whisper it's accurate grumbling/growling sound too if you wanted lol

[urban flax]

Imagine increasing 1-call spam even further :P

[rancid raptor]

Cause' I ain't finding a single dev saying anything about it

[limber hull]

I mean... U6 makes you forget it was ever a thing

[icy lion]

Punchpacket, though this was so long ago it may have been in the old #isle-discussion before the wipe

[limber hull]

U6 is a silent hellscape lol

[rancid raptor]

Perhaps it was before they removed "local and global" from evrima and made it only global?

[limber hull]

Other way round

One of the main things I want fixed in U6.5 is the sound, 100%

[rancid raptor]

only local*

[limber hull]

God I miss the cool animals making cool calls

And me hearing them from far away

Now everything is QUIET and SAD

[rancid raptor]

very unimportant compared to other things they're working on

further down the line though, sure

[icy lion]

I'm pretty sure sound ranges are bugged

[cyan flame]

Nope. it was specifically mentioned after they removed those things precisely because people wanted options. Such as being able to plot murder near someone else via whisper (instead of sitting in an entirely different chat where you can't be seen despite standing next to the other guy and being the same species). Here you'd have some distance to take into account, but you'd have ranges to use.

[rancid raptor]

it's not something they should work on in 6.5

[limber hull]

Bro fixing a bug is unimportant?

[rancid raptor]

unless it's bugged as lunary says

[rancid raptor]

how do you know if the sound ranges are a bug or if it's intended

[limber hull]

I'm referring to U6's horrible sound issues

[cyan flame]

Everything is so quiet and dead right now. Also teno needs to hear its own chat call, please and thank you :p

[limber hull]

IDK, do you think a rabbit being louder than a carnotaurus is supposed to be how it is?

[urban flax]

Plotting murder via taking some distance away from someone sounds way better than doing it in VC or in a secret alternate chat

[icy lion]

Sound ranges were unexpectedly reduced considerably with update 6's release, and some sounds aren't working at all from certain directions. There's a lot of sound-related issues right now and ranges are one of them

[rancid raptor]

That's not the case at all when I play, so idk where you got this from

[cyan flame]

Yep. The argument back then was that it's silly you can't understand the other guy because different channel, so instead, remove the channels and offer various "range" on the local instead.

[icy lion]

In a game where sounds are very important to gameplay, fixing those issues is high priority

[cyan flame]

It is for me. Rabbits are stupidly loud for some reason.

Especially their walking is very loud, running seems more normal.

[icy lion]

Yea they are

They were pretty loud on the Gateway preview too, right after U6

[urban flax]

Yeah
I'm of the opinion that if players use third-party tools too much, one should add an equally convenient tool in-game to stop the usage of third-party tools instead of monitoring or banning them

[cyan flame]

Agreed.

[limber hull]

I also just wanna see more functional use for broadcast

And more people using it. I like it when I can hear the animals making noise and being a part of the game

Broadcast chat inherently adds more engagement, because it simplifies the process of socialising, and adds risk/reward gameplay

[urban flax]

I like it when everyone in a conversation shares the same opinion

[limber hull]

Could you imagine how much better nesting would be if you could call and you could actually broadcast to people "yo who wants to nest"

[lapis swallow]

or warning others of threats

[rancid raptor]

am I tripping?

I think I remember a feature where we could scent nearby dinos, they would appear as red dinos on our scent radar

like, live dinos. but it got discontinued?

Was that a dream

[limber hull]

yea thats a thing

mixpack scent, it wasnt any dino

[latent olive]

@pulsar lake megalania was confirmed to get a tailwhip

Deinosuchus, probably not since it already has alt bite, but who knows

[jagged jewel]

It can scavenge, but it isn't necessarily a scavenger. It can't clean corpses any better than the other carnivores.

[rancid raptor]

Its playstyle is pretty much that of a scavenger atm.

Explained that earlier, it's above

[jagged jewel]

Yeah because the only other intended thing for it is really unfun

[pulsar lake]

Maybe they could make it an alt rmb or combine it with alt bite?

[latent olive]

Alt RMB would be nice

[primal apex]

Hi guys, i was just walking as an adult carno 100% had 50 ish health and a healed bleed and just dropped dead. anyone have any ideas or have experienced this before? i'll put an official bug report in too.

[jagged jewel]

I don't think deino needs it to begin with

[rancid raptor]

really unfun?

That's objectively untrue though? We see ptera playerbase being pretty lively in comparison to for example hypsi

[jagged jewel]

I LOVE holding rmb near the water's surface

(Diving would've been a better choice)

[rancid raptor]

That's your idea of the intention of ptera? the way it catches fish?

[rancid raptor]

ptera's anatomy does not support this

save it for another fliable

[jagged jewel]

´No, the intention of ptera is to fish and scavenge. Just the way that fishing was executed could've been better

[jagged jewel]

How, it literally was a diver IRL

[rancid raptor]

The ptera does scavenge today though.. so

[jagged jewel]

Skimming would've broken its neck

[jagged jewel]

Again, while it can scavenge, it isn't necessarily a scavenger, and doesn't really have any mechanics that help it clean bodies better than other playables.

[rancid raptor]

I agree diving would be better and more interactive, but devs have other more important priorities rn

[jagged jewel]

Yeah they could add it in U9

[rancid raptor]

It is a scavenger because the way pteras get their diets (largely) is scavenging dead bodies

[jagged jewel]

A utah can also get its diets mainly from scavenging

[rancid raptor]

Yeah but omnis have way more opportunity to hunt for diet, than ptera does.

That is why the argument is only used for ptera

Omni can find all its diet in one place (huntable), ptera can't

Also, ptera is way better at scavenging because it can cover distance way quicker, and can look for bodies way more.

"Eagle's perspective"

So you can't use that argument for omni

Anyhow, i'm glad we establish that making ptera a scavenger isn't necessary at all

as it already has that playstyle

[sullen delta]

@tropic merlin I love that

Wonderful idea

[rancid raptor]

@barren zephyr I can try to help explain why this is a bad idea, in terms of realism

First of all, could you clarify what kind of colorwheel ?
Any color no matter what, or colors dependant on the species?

[barren zephyr]

like this kind of thing, but it has limitations (e.x., no purples, pinks, etc.)
I was also thinking it could have brightness limitations, so you couldn't make an all #FFFFFF or all #000000 dino.

[lapis swallow]

I would like colours that dont include neon colours and ridiculous stuff

[rancid raptor]

Would it depend on the dino, or would the colors be multi-customizable regardless of the dino?

[barren zephyr]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

regardless.

[rancid raptor]

Can you clarify

So, it will be the same regardless of the dino? correct?

[barren zephyr]

yes

[rancid raptor]

sorry but that's a terrible, terrific idea if it was implemented

Realism is a part of evrima. It's part of what helps the game stay immersive.
EVRIMA does target gameplay over realism, but realism is still a large factor in development here.

[rancid raptor]

This sort of idea would kill large parts of the sense of realism we have in the game..

People asked for skin customization, and that's what we got.

However, asking for illogical skin variations that don't fit your dino at all is absurd - and will never get implemented into the game, because it would ruin the feel of evrima we already have

Species' colors are a part of what makes them unique. This would ruin that

[barren zephyr]

idk why you're going to ham on me

[rancid raptor]

i'm not i'm tryna say why it's not a good idea

I could see this becoming a feature on unofficials, but it won't be a thing on officials

And I bet many unofficials would refrain from adding this feature

[oak wave]

yeah idk but we dont know what color the dinosaurs were so we kinda cant say that the colors they have now are real either, theres even the theory that they had feathers so

[tame tartan]

ah yes, evrima, everybody knows evrima for its incredible realism - from speed-hacking carnos, to stegos who run at carnivores and swing at them for no reason, and who can of course forget the extremely realistic and intelligent AI deer that walk in a straight line out into water that is infested with deinos... it would be a shame if a bright pink dryro were to exist, it would completely ruin the game's realism and immersion for me

[rare fractal]

Lmao realism….in Evrima….bugs aside almost all of the capabilities the animals have across the roster are physics defying…

[clever lion]

💀

[lucid robin]

[fair drum]

when are the new dinos being released

[oblique crown]

@ashen mortar That really happens at night?

[ashen mortar]

ptera less tho

[oblique crown]

Send me a clip next time

[ashen mortar]

oki

[tall hearth]

When they're ready

[limber hull]

U6.5

[teal schooner]

yea tbh it is

@ashen mortar I've only heard this track play once throughout my 480 hours of play time, and I'm glad I caught it on rec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC52mSJirEk I quite like the sound of it, gives me spooky vibes. It would be cool if they could add more stuff like that

ikr

mhm

now that i listen to it more it really does remind me of legacy

mhm!

i'm glad someone agrees with me around the music area lol

mhm

i was actually thinking just that, like when that music played it also gave me "im being hunted by humans" vibes

yeah!

i'm also a little skepitcal about humans in the isle, i mean it would be nice as just a dino survival game. but i can also see where the devs are coming from

mhm same

[oblique crown]

It's because of the location

[teal schooner]

oh wait is it??

[oblique crown]

Yeah human buildings make creepy music play

[limber hull]

yea

[limber hull]

@desert quarry they literally cant go back to U4 lighting, and even if they could, UE5 is being added in U6.5, which is just around the corner, so it wouldn't make a difference

[urban flax]

They could make a 6.25 update for lightning

And then a 6.4 for troodon
And a 6.45 for bugfixes

And 6.49 balance patch

[sand lantern]

SHAT HAPPEND TO EYE

What*

[limber hull]

???

[limber hull]

@stuck coyote no work is being done on Legacy anymore

[stuck coyote]

It was meant as a going forward with evrima sort of thing

The test level had a spot where any contact is an instant 20% damage hit.
Apply that to something that happens when people are hit while on a countdown timer for logging

[limber hull]

@tame tartan we're getting a pond in gateway

[fossil pagoda]

is UE5 officially confirmed to come with U6.5?

[limber hull]

Yes

It's a big reason why it's taking a while

[fossil pagoda]

oh that's great

[limber hull]

Complete UE5 port, 3 new animals, venom, balance changes, so on

[fossil pagoda]

I have been around since July, and it is the first time I am truly hyped for an update

[low canopy]

this track along with couple others only trigger at certain human buildings, which is why its rare

[limber hull]

@earnest saddle Those elite fish are SIGNIFICANTLY heavier than ptera, there's no way it can grab one, even as an adult

Also ptera grabbing juvis should not be a thing

[tepid gate]

and it hasn't been a thing irl either

they haven't been known for that unless you're talking about some JP nonsense

Pteranodon is way too small of an animal to be able to pick juvenile dinosaurs up

those are way too heavy for it

unless its juveniles of some really small dinosaur

[limber hull]

@pale prairie that just seems like it makes nocturnals entirely useless

[pale prairie]

not at all.
ideally the adjustments i mentioned would include dimming the overall brightness down a bit.
but even then, night vision, especially with the range from dondis troodon stream, would still be a huge advantage.

[limber hull]

Not really, all I need to do is crank up the gamma

[pale prairie]

especially in the jungles, caverns, ravines, or other poorly lit areas.

[limber hull]

Now my stego is a nocturnal

[pale prairie]

unfortunately that's always going to be a problem.
so you've got to decide between enjoyable night gameplay and gamma abuse, and i think going the route of a night where players wouldn't necessarily desire gamma abuse to be the best option.

[limber hull]

i'd prefer the idea of each animal having unique night vision ranges and interactiosn with night, rather than the nocturnal niche being a nothing gameplay trait

and gamma abuse coming back in full swing

not to mention humans losing the cool dark horrible nights they have atm

[pale prairie]

i don't see how it'd be a "nothing gameplay trait", it'd essentially be built in and encouraged gamma abuse, if gamma abuse is such a big advantage than NV would too.
ideally night would be in a spot where your average player wouldn't be interested in making it brighter.

think* PoT night, only darker.

[pale prairie]

black PNG = cool
good to know.

if the amount of "i just log out during the night" going around wasn't enough of a sign the current NV/night experience was terrible, i don't know what is.

that'd only get worse when there are animals designed to hunt you at night.

[limber hull]

so i can just gamma abuse as anything else and get the nocturnal experience

why even bother playing a nocturnal

[tall hearth]

Literally first thing I thought when I saw the suggestion

[lapis swallow]

And the "oh god, its night again"

[pale prairie]

if that's something you want to do, i guess.
but the idea is to make it so it wouldn't be necessary, you could see relatively well at night regardless.
the important changes would come with skins, shadows and how NV interacts with them compared to regular gamma.

[limber hull]

maybe wait till the dedicated nocturnal update which gives each animal unique night visions before deciding removing the entire draw of nocturnals is the best course of action

[pale prairie]

also, something important about the whole "troodon has NV therefore superior at night" i wanted to bring up, that only works when avoiding predators.

unless diurnal animal NV ranges are decreased significantly, to the point where they were completely unbearable, the large NV ranges of troodon wouldn't give it a significant advantaged during hunts/offensive moves.

[pale prairie]

that was meant to be update 5.5

[limber hull]

who cares if it isnt necessary, i can see just as good as a troodon or dilo as any other animal, why play these animals that only see their full potential at night, if any other animal can replicate their success and still be good in day

Troodon packs would be a pathetic joke if any gamma abuser can just see them and prepare easily for them

[pale prairie]

making them only viable during the night is a huge problem itself.
with the changes i'm suggesting, they'd be completely fine during the day as well, only they'd have the advantage of NV built in at night.

[pale prairie]

i don't see how they'd be any more effective during hunts with the current night vision system and ranges.
making the ranges any smaller is a terrible idea and their current size is more than enough.

[limber hull]

so remove any potential for a cool midnight ecosystem with unique animals emerging and interacting

and just have everything be the same at every hour

wonderful

[tall hearth]

Mighr as well keep it day 24/7

[pale prairie]

if it's at the cost of 90% of the rosters enjoyability during a half or third of the server uptime, yes.

[limber hull]

basically

[pale prairie]

as if night doesn't serve an environmental/visual purpose.

[limber hull]

its like saying rain shouldn't impact the game in any way and should be the exact same as dry day

[tall hearth]

Bro I still enjoy gameplay at night. Its slightly harder, just means I have to use my ears to listen to more of a degree, oh no how horrible for gameplay.

[pale prairie]

that's in an entirely different ball park.

[limber hull]

not really

[low canopy]

night is ugly and stale

[limber hull]

the worst part about night is the map it takes part on

[pale prairie]

yes, really.

one leaves you with a terrible experience where a huge chunk of players simply log out.
the other leaves you with an environmental challenge than you can easily overcome with knowledge.

[tall hearth]

So instead we improve upon nighttime instead of removing it

[limber hull]

spiro is a borefest in day and night

[pale prairie]

nobody said remove it?

[tall hearth]

Spiro is a borefest

[limber hull]

this is essentially removing it lol

making it darker day

[pale prairie]

it's removing night vision.
night still exists.

[limber hull]

so its barely a factor

[pale prairie]

wow, you just described night.

[tall hearth]

No night is night. Darkness, very low to no visibility. Unless you live in some big city all your life, then it's just darker day

[pale prairie]

it's essentially making night more like one of the less extreme weather conditions.
changes up the look and feel of the environment and allows for certain species to use a built in ability to see better, especially in shadow filled areas.

[limber hull]

try going out into the country and try to see literally anything at night without a flashlight lol

remove the light pollution

[urban flax]

Actually easier than you think

[limber hull]

Depends on moon cycle

[tall hearth]

Or clouds

[limber hull]

speaking of, moon cycles determining visibility > just removing NV entirely

[urban flax]

Yeah
But unless it's a new moon or cloudy weather you can see pretty well

[urban flax]

yep

[barren crater]

Yeah this is probably the best option

[urban flax]

All we have to do is hope devs manage to come up with an anti-gamma solution that doesn't ruin the experience for everyone

[pale prairie]

wouldn't bright moon cycles have the same issues you were mentioning earlier regarding gamma?

[low canopy]

it would

[limber hull]

not if you dont do it in the most generic way

[pale prairie]

[limber hull]

making it that moon is essentially = to sun but at night doesn't solve much

[barren crater]

Whichever way stops some types of nights being pitch blackness. Like a full moon should have some colour. While a new moon should be dark

Update 4 nights look good. I’d hope that would be possible on a full moon

In the plains at least. The jungles being generally a lot, lot darker

[limber hull]

I like jungles being really damn dark on every night

So cool

[pale prairie]

which is perfect.
jungles or other poorly lit areas would be where nocturnal animals shine whereas plains or other open areas would be fine.

fine for diurnal animals i mean, while still having the relative darkness of night.

[barren crater]

Same. Love it

[limber hull]

I'd like it if there was a minimum distance of where anti-gamma started to take effect, that expands with brighter moon

[barren crater]

The feeling of don’t go in

[lapis swallow]

This would fit because I think nocturnals arent creatures that want to go out into the open

[limber hull]

I mean

At dark nights nocturnals should be running everywhere

[lapis swallow]

That is true aswell

[pale prairie]

because, i get gamma can be an issue and we need to strike a good balance for night, but this is just not it.

might as well pull up a black PNG.

[limber hull]

press X

[pale prairie]

white n black mode over actually good looking game for the game that prides itself on its visuals.
sounds good.

also, another point against nocturnal animals with the current night vision, look at this range.

[low canopy]

toggleable NV should not be a thing, nothing like hiding in foliage perfectly concealed in the middle of a day and somebody just toggles NV and sees colours differently

[pale prairie]

making it shorter would make night even less enjoyable for diurnal animals, but with this range troodons advantage during hunts is negligible.

[barren crater]

Tbf that is an issue

[low canopy]

or how there are some skins that make you invisible with NV

[limber hull]

@slender tinsel you realise deino isnt a croc, its a gator, and gators build their nest out of debris

[pale prairie]

it's worth noting that this is with a 1 carb diet not a full lipid diet, so it could be longer.
on the flip side, a full lipid diet is broken for pachy and it might be for tenonto too.

[slender tinsel]

You are all right, it's debris, not only sticks. Also they leave the nest after it's covered, they are not keep adding anything to it. After babies are hatched they take them in it's mouth and bring them to the water.

[proud coral]

I'm pretty sure color in NV is something that can be tweaked. It used to be more colorful until the most recent NV changes which for some reason made it less colorful.

Personally I hope for color to be a variable thing between species

[cyan flame]

@slender swallowCarno is not meant to hunt stegos, any more than it's meant to hunt deinos. There's nothing "fair" about that match up, nor should there be. Carno is at that designed to hunt things smaller than itself, so it's even worse than something like allo might be at punching up.

[slender swallow]

ok but what's the point of stego ?

Slow things, that eat nothing but grass, and can't be killed ?

Damn, too much fun, they can't even engage, they just wait on body, that carni need, and they wait

[lapis swallow]

Its also eats pumpkins

[slender swallow]

Unkillable tank's, with almost no counterplaym ( unless ur 10x better )

[cyan flame]

Does it need a point aside from being a playable that some people enjoy?

[slender swallow]

well, that a point, but when the dino is overpowered, and just annoys every other dinos, at least give a chance to do something

because loosing, 3hrs of my life, cuz a stego, hitted my tail, and did 50% hp, meanwhile, i do 5% hp to them in the head

Im sorry, the game is awesone, and im having lot of fun

but stego are realy bad design and unbalance

at least fix hitbox idk

[cyan flame]

Wasn't a tail hit if you were a carno and took that much damage. And well yes, stego is not well designed as a stego, but that's a different matter than it being balanced. And it's pretty reasonably balanced as it stands.

Stego is hardly overpowered compared to deino, and if we're talking pure survivability, ptera is the top tier contender there, no doubt about that.

And there's nothing wrong with stego hitbox, as people have tested, stego hitbox is really good.

[pulsar lake]

Stego doesn’t have a matching carnivore yet. It’s not overpowered, just a bad choice to be one of the first dinosaurs added since it has no match-ups.

[robust dome]

I wont lie stego is in a weird spot. 2 good raptors can take one down but 3 carnos have way less chance.
The thing is, stego really isnt that fast, you can outrun it and find another prey or go to swamp where stegos grow and kill them when they are vulnerable.
Stego really is a problem only when it body camps

[slender swallow]

yeah but every stego body camps

[robust dome]

They are still slow though

[slender swallow]

and even without that, stego LOVE making mixpacking

even today

when i was growing my carno

i've met 2 Mixpack

2 stego, with 1 pachy

or 1 stego with 2 teno

ppl abuse stego, cuz it's unskilled, and totaly unbalance, and body camp and mixpacking

so that carni can't do sh*t

Find a way to make Mixpacking less OP, or body camps idk

[uneven mist]

You can also just…walk away from a stego

[slender swallow]

yeah we can

but then as i said, what's the point of stego ?

No matchup

they just here, to mixpack and body camp

and there is no counterplay

[uneven mist]

Whats the point of carno? Deino? Omni and so on? Options for people to choose from

[slender swallow]

well survive games, carno can be easly take down, need to hunt, and got weakness

Omni need to group

Deino, well deino are just here to be scary xD

BUT stego

[robust dome]

its pretty chill when you are full. You only fear experienced raptor players or big packs and barely fear crossing rivers. I don't play it cuz I find it boring but if people like it then I don't see why its a problem. Its a very slow gameplay, not everyone likes that and it is strong but easily avoidable.

[uneven mist]

Stego Also has a weakness. Being slow

[slender swallow]

yeah, so it's more unfun

[robust dome]

the only real problem wiht stego is when its packed with a pachy, because pachy will break your bones and leave you vulnerable to stego. Hopefully migration with Gateway will fix that

[uneven mist]

And it takes a bit more dmg to the head compared to other playables so that’s a weakness too

[slender swallow]

oh yeah

its true that AT LEAST, u do 5% dmg in the head

as adult carno, because stego dont do 50% hp in the head :/

[slender swallow]

yeah, but every stego does that

mixpacking or body camp

and sometime, u find 1 stego alone

and if u are lucky, and got good player, and the stego s*ck, maybe 3-4 carno can put him down :/

MAYBE

[uneven mist]

Yeah carno, but deino can do massive dmg to it if it stays and keeps on biting its head

[slender swallow]

yeah, but deino are apart, that why i said that stego and deino are unbalance

like the facts, that a 60% deino

can grab and oneshot, a 100% carno

[uneven mist]

Stego is a lot more balanced than deino

[slender swallow]

well yes, but deino fear stego

[robust dome]

I have played a lot and really not every stego, far from that. Does that. Most players hate stegos and only are near because the stego can't catchup

[uneven mist]

Also it’s a mix pack and body camp issue. Not a stego issue

[robust dome]

^

[slender swallow]

last time, we were 4 deino, couldnt take down 1 stego, ( the stego was good tho, but still impossible )

[uneven mist]

As they should

[uneven mist]

Ok that’s a huge skill issue to the deinos

[slender swallow]

maybe, but we just got stats check mostly

[cyan flame]

At least stegos bodycamping isn't eating the food, unlike a deino. Also mixpacking, I could see teno/pachy being generally worse than stego + either of them. In the stego case, there's the risk the stego kills its "friends", and it's slower overall, while if you get bonebroken by a pachy or stunned by teno, either of the other has a lot better chance to get to you while you're "out".

[uneven mist]

Deino can 2v1 stego (even 1v1 it with the current patch) so that 4 couldn’t kill 1 is funny

[robust dome]

its 7 hits to the head to kill stego. Just sprint on land while you have a friend that RMB it to stun him and then bite his head

easier said than done I agree

tahts why u can just pick 2 raptors and kill one. It takes longer but is easier

[rare fractal]

I just found it funny that in the feedback., they borderline accurately described stego as a tank who doesn’t need to worry about carnos, and that fighting a stego as carnos is unfair for the carnos, as if that’s remotely an issue

[robust dome]

its not even on its diet

there is 0 reason to fight a stego as a carno, except for sport

@still bison Knowing there is so many proposals that are just very bad I doubt its a good idea

[tepid gate]

that's such an insurmountable of skill issue that it's just insane

Deino can solo a Stego(albeit it has to outplay Stego), two Deinos kill it with ease

4 losing that fight is just so bad that it's laughable

[robust dome]

just use omni idk its op

[still bison]

read it complete

[tepid gate]

in general that whole feedback describes exactly how Carno vs Stego is supposed to work, based on your experience it's a good indication that these two are where they are meant to be relatively to one another

[robust dome]

I just think that they should make like a poll for some proposals that reached like 101checks and ask us all wether or not we think its a good idea
but just going 'aight what idea imma pickup today' is not good

[burnt bone]

It’s sadly extremely common with deinos. They don’t seem to understand locational damage and just run towards the stego with all their stam, then tank headshots while biting the tail.

On the other hand, I have had the same thing happen with stegos. I ran solo into 3 stegos and attacked 1 with slightly lower hp (still took like 4-5 headshots to kill). They just didn’t turn as I bit their face, and their friend was only getting tail hits on me. I ended up running off after killing it and still had half my hp.

[burnt bone]

That I highly disagree with, especially on a platform like this. There are 2 main points of bias:
1: popular Dinos will be favored over unpopular ones.
2: the people enjoying the game are all playing it, generally the people not enjoying it are the ones active on the discord.

[robust dome]

Im not really talking about enjoyment.
Although it is true that some dinos will be favored, I think, I trust ? that the devs, if they ever implement that, would not get corrupted. They already favor some dinos, but the people on discord are usually the ones who care the most about the game, so i feel like it's worth asking them.

[urban flax]

There are so many bad takes on this discord, I wouldn't trust a poll made of perfectly random people who might just have bought the game 2 days ago
Or haven't bought it at all

[robust dome]

therefore, these kind of talkings like we are having, would make those situations avoidable imo. But I think if they ever ask us about anything it should be less about a dinosaur and more about a mechanic like NV or diet or wtvr.

[tepid gate]

As for the second - I disagree from my own experience. When I used to play it a tonne I was also on discord a tonne. I don't anymore but I also spend much less time on discord than I used to.

[robust dome]

thats why I trust that the devs wont just think " oh this poll says that, therefore lets do it"
Just it would be nice if #general-feedback had more importance than just people talking in the void

Basically if they ever do that, it shouldn't be often, they should still let us know that if it doesn't really make sense with how they see the game etc... then they won't take in account the poll

[rare fractal]

I don’t actually think there’s any functional difference between the devs identifying for the community which suggestions they agree with or not, and doing what they’re doing now

[urban flax]

But then people would complain that the devs are lying and not listening to the community

[rare fractal]

The only difference is knowing which ones they agree with

[urban flax]

If they made polls and reacted to it, they would then be entitled to what they said during the poll, and changing their plans would get them called out for it

[urban flax]

You overestimate the comprehensivity of the community

[rare fractal]

Yeah like I don’t see a sensible reason to poll the community on decisions they will often make incorrectly and without proper information

[robust dome]

br otis not that bad. IF they tell us "we MAY OR MAY NOT" even an 8 y/o would get it

[rare fractal]

Nah

[urban flax]

Still overestimating the people in here

[rare fractal]

They’ve got a history with that

[robust dome]

it cant be that bad ?

[rare fractal]

What good does it do tho?

It’s just placating the hungrier parts of the community to buy time

[urban flax]

Once they posted a video of a teno breathing fire with the mesage "THIS IS JUST A JOKE THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT DRAGONS ARE COMING NOR THAT TENO OR ANYTHING WILL BREATHE FIRE"
And people absouletly believed that teno would start breathing fire in the next update

[rare fractal]

That’s all it does

[urban flax]

I can probably find that post hold on

[robust dome]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[rare fractal]

Pls do it’s a funny one

[urban flax]

Can't find it, maybe it's been deleted

[rare fractal]

It probably predates the data wipe

[robust dome]

which is why they would do polls on things that gathered a lot of attention. But I used to think that polls were a good idea until a game I paly started making them and I realised how disconnected the community is with what the game needs. (literally in league they asked if they should rework an 8 y/o character or one that was released 2 years ago.... guess which won..)
But I feel like for a small game like this it might be doable with the right preparations (except if the community is that dumb then yeah)

[rare fractal]

Just speaking from personal experience, the majority of this community don’t fully grasp how volatile most of these games mechanics and balancing elements function or effect eachother on a game wide scale, that’s one of the reasons we have stress testers, and if it’s based on creative decisions then why is the community even involved in that? The devs can and will pursue whatever vision they have for the game, and I suppose it’s in part the communities prerogative to determine whether those things are working or not when they reach live, nothing more

[rare fractal]

Like I guess I do have a question:
What’s a kind of the thing they would poll the community for specifically?

Or rather one you think they should

[robust dome]

Well, my point is more that they go like that
"Does this suggestion (that has 167 checkmarks) looks like a good idea to you, the community, knowing we might not implement it into the game"
"Yes but my feedback had 500checkmarks, why aren't you making a poll on this one ?"
"Because we don't see that being a good feature with what we want to do with the game. Or because .... or even ....."
and then later they might tell us what they decided to do with that suggestion "it would be too hard to implement/its good, we will get it in/we reconsidered, its bad"
but I understand your point on the fact that it would make us more thirsty and then we might feel a lil disappointed although there was never really any evidence that it would in fact 100% come

[urban flax]

I think that their current approach of just implementing feedback that works well into updates works good enough

[rare fractal]

I know what you mean but I think it’s a certain degree of theoretical accountability between us and the devs that’s just…well for a lack of better terms, wasting time

Because we already know they see those feedbacks

[robust dome]

Obviously mine !!!!!!!!!!! its sooooooo goooooood!!!!!!!!
no actually these are pretty cool, although we might add more or less depends

[rare fractal]

Ironically I disagree with the last one XD

[robust dome]

Do you have exemples of feedbacks that they have implemented ?

[urban flax]

And I disagree with the first one

[robust dome]

Bro ucant do dryo taht dirty

[urban flax]

I remember a few of my old ones, lemme see if I can find them

[robust dome]

ofc its Islecord so go on

[lapis swallow]

The pachy coastal thingy

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[lapis swallow]

A guy named rapdex requested it and now we got a slightly coastal pachy

[robust dome]

I have to say, and it fits my "we might add more or less", the one on ptera accessing things easier is pretty bad, I mostly agree on making it able to eat rotten leftovers tho

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[rare fractal]

Giving dryo burrowing would be doing it dirty, it’s fast enough to escape all but 2 terrestrial threats on foot in a straight foot race. And it’s dodge affords it a really good chance of evading both of those IF it had the stamina to use it, I still think dryo is slightly too slow, by like 1-2 kmh, but aside from that it just needs to be able to dodge far more often and for longer periods of time…

Putting dryo in a hole in the ground literally deletes all the advantages that dryo intrinsically possess, it can’t run, it can’t dodge, it can’t fight, it can’t use its speed or agility

[robust dome]

Well see this is a pretty short, not demanding thing to ask for. And they implemanted it and it is more of a QOL so there rearely is a case where it has a drawback

[urban flax]

ofc there's no proof that the devs have actually looked at my feedback and thought "OMG WE HAVE TO DO THAT" but I like to think they at least considered it

#general-feedback message

[robust dome]

but you aren't force into a burrow tho

[rare fractal]

Yes, but why on earth would it be capable of making them

[robust dome]

therefore its up to you to choose wether or not you sacrifice these advantages

[rare fractal]

It’s a suicide hole for you

[robust dome]

but

its up to you so....

[rare fractal]

Well I suppose I COULD forgoe flying as a ptera and simply choose to stay tied to the ground…

That is my choice, but it’s not one the game encourages

[robust dome]

you could

[rare fractal]

So why generate an entire animation set and mechanical interaction for a mechanic that only disadvantages you

[lapis swallow]

Didnt they want a multiple entrance burrow system?

[rare fractal]

Probably

[lapis swallow]

That one could be viable

[rare fractal]

Still more predictable that just running away in a forest

[robust dome]

I thought that was what we were talking bout

[rare fractal]

Only if you localize all of dryos food to a very small part of the map

[lapis swallow]

Migration zones

[robust dome]

but honestly, sacrifcing some of its capabilities for jsut a different thing that rn no dino has is pretty cool

like I dont mind at all

[rare fractal]

I don’t mind dryo using burrows

I have a problem with them making them

[robust dome]

@sinful furnace they arent sorry but its better this way

[robust dome]

gets boring to have a small growth time and have nothing else than running to do imo

[rare fractal]

Some people love that play style

[robust dome]

and some love burrows. And since the first one doesnt make the other just unviable, then its all good

[rare fractal]

So allow them to inhabit them

But not make them

[sinful furnace]

they arent what?

[robust dome]

working on leggacy

[sinful furnace]

oh

so sad, especially cause if your a new player, you wouldnt even have any clue what evirma is until someone says something, and global chat doesnt work in evirma, or no one happens to say anything on a full server

i'd say get rid of evirma, or make evirma the one you buy first then if you want to, switch to legacy. or just combine the two

[burnt bone]

I actually asked punch about this, it was more likely coincidence that they happened right after, since they were planning for pachy to be coastal ever since they did the knock coconuts out of trees mechanic.

[lapis swallow]

Oh ok

[surreal sedge]

stego should never have been added to the game as it stands right now and should have been the creature they chose with the apex experimenting whenever that happens, it should have been kentrosaurus

[burnt bone]

Yeah, sadly it’s probably a “great minds think alike” scenario rather than them using my feedback as the main reason.

[burnt bone]

Neither should have deino (at least at this size), yet here we are.

[burnt bone]

I meant on average, there’s definitely people who enjoy the game and are active on discord (myself included). It’s just a general trend of forums like this. Look at the Reddit for TI as a prime example lol.

[surreal sedge]

thing is deino is nerfed from where its gonna be, but yet for some reason stego is not going to be which is why i think it should honestly be removed until apexes are in testing.

[burnt bone]

Mechanics favor certain dinos over others. Like, asking “whether NV should be better on all species” will heavily impact dilo and troo. Changing diets will affect cera, carno, and teno drastically differently, which can be good or bad for them. Basically anything you change in the game will hurt 1 playable and/or buff another.

[pale prairie]

@summer forge hold Z.

[burnt bone]

Stego is nerfed currently, it’s missing an attack and barely wins against deino in a “face tank” (6 headshots kills stego, 5 headshots kill deino), now imagine if deino was faster, had more attacks, and dealt more damage. That’s what fighting a Rex will be like. So stego will get stomped if it remains as is.

[summer forge]

I do but I wish I wouldn't just crash down when I release it

what I mean is I wish I could keep gliding in order to reposition further

[pale prairie]

that only happens after holding it for too long, you can also press space before hitting the ground to fly again.

[summer forge]

ahh I see thank you!!

[pale prairie]

you can, only once your forward momentum reaches 0 do you drop out of the sky.

[summer forge]

that makes sense, thank you

[tepid gate]

Hmmm perhaps although out of the people I know that quit playing TI - most of them are gone from here as well.

[limber hull]

stego is also nerfed, and has a much worse chance of surviving rex than any other animal in the entire game. Deino is far less nerfed than stego, it has a plethora of tools to survive the oncoming apexes. Removing stego should also get rid of deino, as deino would have literally zero active threat and just become 5x the problem stego currently is

actually, no, calling a stego an active threat to deino is far too high a praise, any smart deino can easily evade every stego and live on

[limber hull]

@glad flame Alligators build their nests out of sticks, leaves and other debris, crocodiles dig and bury their eggs. Deinosuchus is related to the gator, not the croc, hence it building its nest out of debris

[glad flame]

Ooh I thought it was more on the crocodile side of things

My bad

[limber hull]

All good, common mistake

Lots of people assume all crocodilians build their nests that way

[glad flame]

Ye I’m more a turtle person myself

And tortoises as well but you get the picture

[robust dome]

@tame tartan I mean, I know realistically it doesnt make sense but if ptera just never lands....

[tame tartan]

then ptera just never lands

[robust dome]

then its unbalanced

[tepid gate]

what in the world makes you think Deino is nerfed from where it's gonna be?

[proud coral]

Don't quote me on this, but I t h i n k in the past, it was implied stuff like Deino and Stego would likely change as bigger things are introduced.

[robust dome]

They should have released them (especially deino actually) a bit weaker cuz they just stomp the comptetition

[proud coral]

They should've not released them at all until their time was at hand in my opinion c:

[tepid gate]

it was implied yes - by the goddamn community

not a single dev has ever implied anything like that

The opposite as a matter of fact has been said quite consistently. Deinosuchus was said to be disadvanted in a fight against Stego and that its best option upon encountering a Spinosaurus is to swim away.

Both Stegosaurus and Deinosuchus were said to be a league below the apexes we're supposed to get i.e. Triceratops and T.rex

[proud coral]

It still feels to me like despite Deino's eight ton size, the devs still look at it and treat it like it weighs only ~4ish tons.

Make it 4ish tons pls.

Pls.

[tame tartan]

it's not like ptera players are just casually landing on the ground all of the time anyway, unless they're a baby eating leftovers or getting a drink of water. no ptera is just going to be casually walking along the grasslands. asking to be able to eat while flying isn't so much to ask for considering a baby deino can one shot an adult ptera

[robust dome]

But they are landing on rocks or hills or lil mountains.

[tame tartan]

what does that have to do with not being able to eat mid-air lol
if you were a frequent ptera player you would understand how annoying and unneeded it is to stop every 2 seconds while hunting just so you can swallow a fish for 2 seconds when there would logically be nothing stopping you from eating while flying

[robust dome]

You knew you can eat while latching on trees ?

[tame tartan]

yes, but you should still be able to eat while flying

[robust dome]

Why ?

You have all the tools possible for that not to be a problem. Atlhough it would be more realistic I agree

[tame tartan]

because it's annoying

[limber hull]

The reason it’s done is because ptera is unkillable enough as-is, so forcing it to touch land for brief moments to eat/drink before spending the rest of its time in the sky makes it almost mortal

[robust dome]

^

[tame tartan]

ptera is VERY killable. I couldn't tell you how many times ive snatched a ptera up real quick because it accidentally fell into the water while fishing

[limber hull]

Bad pteras are not indicative of pteras who know how to not die, nor it’s overall S-Tier survivability

If any animal makes a blunder of that magnitude, it’s going to die, that’s not ptera exclusive

Just because bad deinos often run into the asses of stegos and expect to win doesn’t make deino less unkillable when in the hands of a player with an actual brain rattling around in that head

[tame tartan]

how would allowing ptera to eat mid-air effect gameplay so heavily? they would typically just land back on a high rock to eat anywhere where nobody can reach them. it isn't like carnos are climbing so that they can eat ptera. this would literally only impact ptera players positively and i can almost guarantee if they silently added this feature nobody would notice

[limber hull]

It has a design purpose for being the way it is, that’s all

That being to make it that pteras have potential minor windows where they can be attacked

[lavish harbor]

Did they quiet down 1 calls? I feel like I'm always alone on a full server

[limber hull]

U6 broke a ton of the sound

[lavish harbor]

ahh..does not surprise me, ty

[rare fractal]

Did I just read a discussion where pteras godlike status was brought into question?

Like ptera has greater survivability than legacy pue…

Ptera has greater survivability than legacy Galli

[rare fractal]

Ptera has greater survivability than DEINO

[limber hull]

remember, if its small, it cant be viable

[rare fractal]

Oh yeah my mistake, viability minimum cap is 500 kilos in this community

[limber hull]

its why people still think stego is stronger than pachy and ptera needs to be a juvi-killer, 90kg, flying machine that can pick things up with its feet and eat in the air

reminder that cerato is still being hyped up to be a stego solution and carno killer btw

[limber hull]

someone blocked me earlier because he said i was trolling when i said legacy galli was one of if not the best animal in the game

he unblocked me but it was funny regardless

[rare fractal]

Wait seriously?!
“This person can’t be trusted, clearly a dondi plant, I must avoid contamination at all costs!!”

[rare fractal]

I think people don’t know how to contextually shift the meaning of the word “strong” in this community

Stego is literally the hardest hitting animal in the game, but Pachy and deino are tied as the strongest

By far

[limber hull]

carno is close behind tho

[rare fractal]

It’s close but Pachy existing at all puts it down a few points

[limber hull]

its only downside is that its slightly more mortal than pachy and deino, having multiple possible bad matchips

[rare fractal]

Well actually Carno has no bad matchups due to its soeed

Even if it was underpowered it’d still be really good for that

Well…save for deino

But that’s everything, comes as a given

[limber hull]

but yea, very curious about U6.5

because pachy, deino and carno are all existing examples of completely invalidating the community's favourite scavenger, cerato

[rare fractal]

And yet Cerato apparently has favorable matchups against at least one of those

No clue about Pachy

“Shrugging off blows from even larger animals” doesn’t even really matter if the stun on charge applies

Chipped away to oblivion

[limber hull]

i mean, if you let the community balance cera (which btw, they say the devs should let them do more), cera has a favourable matchup against carno, omni, pachy, teno, stego, dryo and hypsi (obviously), troodon and beipi

which apparently is balanced and well designed

so basically everything except deino

[rare fractal]

Don’t forget deino!!

[limber hull]

no deino is consistently left out

[rare fractal]

No wave you’re clearly forgetting the one panel of it ONESHOTTING a sub deino from behind

[limber hull]

because for some reason nobody wants anything done to this gator

[rare fractal]

Therefor Cerato will counter lunge

[limber hull]

clearly

god i love this community's consistent hatred for overpowered carno, yet their love and affection for the "roster fixer" that is a cera that can't lose to anything and punches up over 5 sizes higher than it and wins

[rare fractal]

Well here’s the thing, those people most likely main Omni…they can run in a straight line from Cera, they can’t from Carno, and ofcourse they hate stegos

Kills 2 birds with one stone for Cera to counter everything

[limber hull]

its genuinely hysterical that people hate carno overpopulation, so to curb that, they just add an animal more overpowered so all the carno mains will migrate to the more powerful animal

[rare fractal]

It’s the same with adding a stego predator

It’ll just be what stego is but worse

And yet people love that idea…for reasons

[limber hull]

having equally strong animals with unique strengths and weaknesses that appeal to different people, dividing the carno playerbase based on preferred playstyle?

That's STUPID, we need something that runs around and kills all the carnos so people stop playing them forever

cera being added in a balanced and fun state literally harms the carno playerbase by merit of providing a new unique option

it doesn't need to go around killing carnos to solve the carno problem

[rare fractal]

It’s almost as if that’s sorta how teno and Carno used to be before that matchup become boring and tilted in carnos favor

[limber hull]

it means both can coexist and have a more balanced distribution of populations

[rare fractal]

Mhm

Like nothing about the fantasy of being a walking brick house that kills everything is what appeals to me with Cera

Go play spino

Ffs go play deino XD

[limber hull]

honestly, if the community gets its way, here's how i see U6.5

cera beats everything
troodon is useless and can't be played because small bad
beipi slaughters any deino below 50%
stego goes extinct in its entirety
omni goes back to godhood
pachy gets buffed in the carno matchup, nerfed against omni
teno dies even more to all the other cooler carnivores (and pachy but skill issue i guess)
carno's charge goes back to being a terrible ambush move which can't turn and melts all your stam and has its damage reduced just for good measure
dryo gets made into galli and thats it
hypsi is forgotten
ptera gets to pick up hatchlings and juvis (deinos and stegos included) by its feet and drop them to kill them
deino remains unchanged (perfect as-is)

[urban flax]

"Devs should make polls to ask the community what they want in the next update"

[limber hull]

legit

[rare fractal]

Oh god

[limber hull]

i do not trust this community to make a single conscious balance change

its entirely going to be based on "what i like and what i dont like"

[rare fractal]

The only thing I see in this list that I don’t think is accurate is Troodon being weak, most people I hear expect/want Troodon to be VERY strong

[limber hull]

i see a lot of people expecting it to just die the moment it is exposed to sunlight

just shrivels

[rare fractal]

I’ve heard much of the some with the caveat that it basically instamurders anything within poorly lit spaces

It’s just the animal people expect to have zero nuance to its playstyle

[limber hull]

nothing is allowed to have unique matchups

win or lose win or lose, you're either a good animal or you're not

carno and stego = bad animals

seriously tho these two animals get the most beatings out of any animal in the game, they're literally community punching bags when they want something to hate

ESPECIALLY stego

[rare fractal]

Probably because they represent two extremes, except only one of them is actually volatile balance wise…that being Carno

Stego is the strongest terrestrial creature in game

Carno is the fastest

Which is what baffles me about stego being hated more

Stego is infinitely more bearable when balanced poorly

[limber hull]

I'm VERY close to enjoying carno tho

[rare fractal]

I fundamentally can’t enjoy Carno rn…I just don’t need to invest any conscious thought to achieve as much value as the playable can give me

[urban flax]

True, a stego that deals 9000 damage with a tail jab would still be better balance-wise than a slightly overtuned carno

[rare fractal]

Mhm, especially since that only effects one matchup, and it’s an entirely opt in engagement for both parties, meaning it’s not even necessary to equalize

[limber hull]

Like Gateway plains and environments + fixed hitboxes + charge adjustments and it'll rocket from being an animal I've traditionally really never liked to actually going "wow this animal actually has a cool niche that it follows, a unique ecosystem where it can feel dominant and a niche built around the prey item using evasion over straight running"

rather than "oh its carno and it just melted a tenonto in 2 seconds cool"

[rare fractal]

Mhm, especially if dryo gets more dodges

However which form that may take

[limber hull]

i still stand by dryo nocturnalism

i advocate for the night ecosystem

[urban flax]

The way new charge functions still bother me tho

[rare fractal]

So do I, but I still find 10 dodges before immobility pathetic

[urban flax]

I understand it from a gameplay perespective, but it looks weird

[rare fractal]

In what way specifically, I agree but everyone seems to have a different take on that

I’ll never get over how Carno rams into targets with its nose

[urban flax]

The fact lowering your head somehow allows you to turn in tighter arcs

[rare fractal]

Oh I personally don’t think the turn rate should change at all, nor the speed, I want it to just be a state you can reach while running

Like almost as if it’s not even a toggleable ability

[urban flax]

At this point I would prefer it to be more like utah's alt-bite, being a headswing that allows you to turn on a dime without losing momentum

[urban flax]

The turnrate isn't a problem, the animation is

[rare fractal]

I would also prefer something similar to that but it does introduce the need for some fundamental rebalancing

[urban flax]

Charge animation was designed for an ability that makes you go faster but turn slower, but now it's doing the opposite of that
So obviously it looks weird

[rare fractal]

True

[urban flax]

It would basically be the same, but require good timing

[lapis swallow]

And the fact that charge looks like a very violent kiss and not a charge

[rare fractal]

Carnos damage would need a MASSIVE touchup if it’s capable of precise damage like that

Without losing momentum

[limber hull]

honestly, rather than increase the time spent running until you can charge, why not increase the time needed to charge for it to do damage? So you have to commit to a charge properly

[rare fractal]

Yes

Get me as far away from ambush Carno as possible

[limber hull]

that way you dont have people charging within 2 feet of an omni

[lapis swallow]

Would this not make charge very predictable?

[rare fractal]

Ideally that’s the point

[urban flax]

(Also headswing more realistic than charge bcuz that's probably what carno did irl)

[lapis swallow]

Gosh I hate that

[limber hull]

its a pursuit tool, its not supposed to be unpredictable

[lapis swallow]

Everything is better than the charge we have now

[limber hull]

no

[rare fractal]

No

U5 and prior was bad

Far worse even

[limber hull]

this charge is really, really good, with a really bad hitbox and some other balance problems

[rare fractal]

Not for the state of balance but for functionality

[limber hull]

this charge is the closest to an actually well designed charge

[lapis swallow]

I meant balancewise

[rare fractal]

True

[limber hull]

ehhh

[lapis swallow]

Old charge was weird

[rare fractal]

But I don’t want to pretend like ANYTHING would be better than current charge

[limber hull]

i mean, it's either U5 and prior (utterly useless against anything that had two eyes and a brain) or U6 (actually usable but too much so)

[rare fractal]

Because current charge is a cloudy diamond, it can get polished

[lapis swallow]

I just hope they add a god damn startup cost

[rare fractal]

I’d prefer a useless charge than a charge that only doesn’t work against the one animal designed to deactivate it tbf

Balance wise

Like current charge is too braindead if an ability to get as much value from as you get now

Im fine with it BEING this simplistic but it shouldn’t be this strong

[limber hull]

yea

[limber hull]

@pure quiver gamma comes in more forms than just a program. Monitor brightness, inbuilt systems within the hardware, etc, can increase brightness, and there is no possible way for developers to monitor this. Returning to U4's style of nights achieves nothing but making NV a useless mechanic, nocturnals like troodon antiquated and uninteresting, and giving new rise to old gamma exploit habits

also the "stamp" and colour wheel system sounds like you're asking for dinosaurs with very unsavoury words, imagery and iconography plastered all over the dinos

because i can guarantee you within two seconds, there'll be some very racist looking dinos

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

i love how this is a rare situation where EVERYONE disagrees lol

united

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

i feel like we have different outlooks on why people disagree lol

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

because i see it as another "nerf stego for no reason" feedback post, which i disagree with. The statement that "one shots shouldnt exist" is also ridiculous

Should a hypsi just not die in one tap to a deino

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

but yea, carnos thinking they can take on stegos remains extremely funny

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

doubt it'd do that much damage

if rex is doing around 1200 damage with a bite uh oh

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

i mean, thats still like 1000 damage per bite, exceptionally nuts

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

god damn i feel so bad for stego

i hope they buff the hell out of it before rex drops lmao

otherwise it's just screwed

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[limber hull]

give it fractures, new attacks, a weight buff to more realistic proportions, idc, anything to let it LIVE against rex

[west agate]

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[nocturne spruce]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with this

as long as it's something we get a long time from now

customization for unofficial servers would bring us more players

we should not have mudpools

[jolly mica]

What do mud pools even do

I know it gives you the chance to “mask scent” but what does that even do

(I’m a new player and don’t understand a lot of mechanics)

[glad flame]

They clot wounds, and I think hide your footprints

[jolly mica]

Oooh, thanks 😄

[limber hull]

you can literally make neon dinosaurs and use a "decal" system to make specific symbols and words that should not be a part of the game

there is very much something wrong with it

[limber hull]

why no mud pools lol

[latent olive]

@barren zephyr burrowing has been confirmed for a very long time now

we just don’t know much about it, other than certain playables will have it and the burrows could have multiple rooms

[sullen delta]

@summer forge press z, it's an air brake

[barren zephyr]

Ahh ok, thanks

[barren zephyr]

@lapis swallow what's wrong with my suggestion?

[lapis swallow]

You are a apex, apexes are supposed to be hard maintain

[barren zephyr]

Im not talking about stego alone

Pachys too

Same with tenos

Tenos radish gives so little

[lapis swallow]

But I dislike this part of your suggestion, therefore I dislike it

[barren zephyr]

Bruh

I was just giving an example

[lapis swallow]

Just make diets go down slower and the problem is fixed

But stego is included in herbivores, right?

[barren zephyr]

Devs should not force you to play 5 hours to get your nutrients

Yeah of course it is

Stego doesn't need to have so little food either

[lapis swallow]

And with the part of getting nutrients from one bush, its included too?

[barren zephyr]

Reread my suggestion

[lapis swallow]

But that problem will be fixed with migration

[barren zephyr]

You need to hit 100 to activate a diet

[lapis swallow]

Because you will have all your diets on one spot (as far as I understood it)

[barren zephyr]

But will it give enough food to fill you?

[lapis swallow]

Yes

And remember, you can always graze as a herbivore

You literally cant starve, so enough food wont be a problem

[barren zephyr]

But it won't activate your diet

Diets are what im talking about

[lapis swallow]

You arent supposed to get diets for free

[barren zephyr]

Wdym?

Sure not entirely easy

But having them this hard?

[lapis swallow]

Come on, you just have to walk to nw and go to the big field. You will get them handed for free

[lapis swallow]

You have to press w

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but pumpkins take forever to spawn and once someone eats them theyre gone till the next reset

And that stego that ate them probably didn't even get full diet

[lapis swallow]

There are atleast ten patches at nw or more. One stego can easily get its fill

[barren zephyr]

'one'

So no more grouping?

And no one stego cannot get its fill anymore

If it's full grown its insanely hard

Trust me ive tried it recently

I've commited suicide every stego grow because of it

[lapis swallow]

I could grow a stego and easily maintain my diet. As a new stego player, trust me

[barren zephyr]

Get to adult then come back to me

[lapis swallow]

And you should not expect to get your exact diet as a apex

[barren zephyr]

Why not?

[lapis swallow]

Its not supposed to be easy maintain

[lapis swallow]

Its a apex.

[barren zephyr]

It isnt supposed to be this hard though either

[lapis swallow]

The strongest class of playables, that takes literally no skill except a bit of positioning

[barren zephyr]

So why play it at all honestly

Insanely hard to feed

Cant nest because no diets

Cant combat against anything except dieno

Honestly the only reason id grow it is to kill other stegos

But im talking about all herbivires not just stego

[lapis swallow]

I still disagree

[barren zephyr]

I don't understand why but okay 😕

[lapis swallow]

@silent urchin most based suggestion I have seen in a long time

[drifting rose]

i feel like a solo para should be able to at most fight of 2-3 allos and at least fight 3-5 utahs off

@tame tartan the devs would never put this in simply because they want you to explore the map which if i spent a couple months building something and u just knew where everything was i would be pretty annoyed and also minimaps will probably come in with mods some time later in a few years when modding is added.

[barren zephyr]

You can nest with no diets

[tame tartan]

it's an issue of accessibility. navigating, even in a videogame, can sometimes come more difficulty to those with certain disabilities. ADHD, for example, can make navigating in video games very difficult if you're not given any sense of direction. I'm sure there are others, but this is the example that I'm using. I'm sure that the devs can encourage exploration while also making the game more accessible

[north quiver]

I support this

[robust dome]

I mean I dont want to be mean but its kind of a skill issue. The map is very easy to learn

[tame tartan]

"skill issue" doesn't make the criticism invalid, you kind of sound like a 13 yr old by responding "skill issue" when someone is suggesting a video game should have more accessibility options. full offense by the way

[limber hull]

we have a compass

i also have ADHD and I never use maps, official or otherwise

[robust dome]

Well it is an argument. Not everything is supposed to be super easy

[limber hull]

i dont see a map as an accessibility option

[robust dome]

(Me too but I wanted to keep it as an argument for later lmao)

[limber hull]

i see colourblind options as an accessibility option

[tame tartan]

you don't have to look at it as an accessibility option. the point is not including a map because it "ruins the exploration" is dumb, when it would literally ONLY positively effect players

[limber hull]

a map is a feature that serves to make the act of discovery, navigation and the experience of getting lost just things that no longer exist in game, all of these things i enjoy greatly. not even mentioning the logical point of "how the hell these dinosaurs got GPSes in their brains from birth"

the most i'd want to see from maps is a paper map humans can pick up and look at

[limber hull]

it would negatively effect me