general-feedback-discussion

[agile roost]

Alright

[left nacelle]

We're supposed to get Troodon, Beipi, Cerato, and Galli this year

[agile roost]

Yeah

[left nacelle]

Troodon and Beipi might actually come at the same time too

[agile roost]

Hopefully, as I'd love to be an ocean beipi

[left nacelle]

yeah that'd be cool if they actually let that be a thing

Cause beipi's food might not be available in the ocean, but hopefully it is

[agile roost]

Is beipi and omnivore?

[left nacelle]

Yup

[agile roost]

an*

Okay, so you could eat crabs and turtles

[left nacelle]

It's gonna graze on underwater flora and it can dig up small creatures from the riverbed apparently

[agile roost]

Mostly likely won't be on the diet, but it'll still be cool to swim in the ocean

As it's so clear

[left nacelle]

We know beipi won't be able to eat just any meat tho, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's restricted to stuff on it diet, meat wise

[agile roost]

Oh really?

As in debuffs?

[left nacelle]

Yeah. Like Beipi can't just go up to a corpse and eat

It likely won't be able to eat it at all if I had to guess, like how herbivores are when it comes to cprses

[agile roost]

Ah

[limber hull]

it is, it just sucks that everything else is so busted

carno and pachy are ruining the game lol

[agile roost]

Mhm

So carno and pachy should get nerfed?

[limber hull]

absolutely

while i think pachy vs omni is fine atm, since the pachy is DESIGNED to counter them, the pachy vs teno/pachy vs carno matchup are REALLY poorly designed

[grave hamlet]

i don't think they should get nerfed

they actually add something to the gameplay

[feral solstice]

I like how this guy is telling the devs to fix the hitboxes and the only example he shows is the bite actually hitting the leg, thus giving you the impression the hitboxes are fine like

Please give a better example than that

😭

[robust dome]

im not sure I understand this

there is no date

must add them for reference

[left nacelle]

The date isn't necessary tho, cause the number shows the amount of days between each update which is what relly matters

I'm not on the one who made the chart tho, that would be Lightclaw

[robust dome]

of course its him

[left nacelle]

But it's on a google doc iirc and it updates on its own

[robust dome]

is there a link there ?

[left nacelle]

Someone in #isle-discussion might have the link, but I don't unfortunately

[robust dome]

also, does this mean that MOST LIKELY we will get 6.5 end of this week/next week

[left nacelle]

According to the chart, yes. But going by the actual reality of things, i really really doubt it

[icy lion]

All that chart shows is the days between updates

[robust dome]

What reality of things ? have I missed something ? they looked pretty far in the update

[left nacelle]

Well Troodon and Beipi are currently in QA and they still need to be stress tested and they're currently moving the game to UE5. So the update is close, but I don't think it's that close

[robust dome]

Also u guys were talking about beipi diet and imo it will have
A fruit or 2
Elite Fish
Crab
Seaturtles
Bullfrog
Hypsi ?

[left nacelle]

I think Beipi's diet will have something that we haven't seen yet, since it can apparently dig up things from the riverbed

[robust dome]

well from what I've heard troo has been in testing for quite a while now so it would make sense they almost found an agreement on what to change, and that they made those changes

[robust dome]

Would make sense, most likely, like ptera, you will be able to live by feeding only on AIs

or plants

Lets not forget that Gateway comes with UE5 and taht migration will also be added, maybe not right on release but still

and Kissen said it was a competition between Troo and the map for which is gonan be released soon

[lucid robin]

i forgot which devs are ping-able...

[robust dome]

punch i think

[lucid robin]

mk ty

[icy lion]

Only Punchpacket

And imo it's possible that a UE5 transition could happen before Gateway, they don't necessarily need to be added together

[robust dome]

Btw im very curious to know what amarok has been working on recently, we don't have much on dinosaur AIs

[robust dome]

Well if I was them I would release together
cuz updates from players would never end, imagine updating to 6.5, then Gateway, then UE5 in like a month

[lucid robin]

@crystal trail
Your opinions, Punch? And I don't just mean saying like "I disagree", I'd like a fairly long response if you're gonna give one.
#general-feedback message

[robust dome]

They should set milestones to things, like 100Checkmarks = dev will answer in FAQ or something, would avoid people from repeating the same thing and they would just look for the feedback and give it an upvote

[nimble cliff]

Thought we weren't supposed to ping them, is their a bending rule of some sort?

[lucid robin]

im pretty sure punch is pingable, or at least i was told so

just nobody except punch

[nimble cliff]

Alright then, hope he (or any other dev) doesn't just drop a vote without further comment

[robust dome]

its rule 1 i think

[left nacelle]

You're allowed to ping Punch, but imo that isn't a good reason

[barren zephyr]

Might not be a good reason but i hope he at least acknowledges it

[robust dome]

repost your post, it didnt get the reactions

[nimble cliff]

Pretty sure he can't because of the Slowmode.

[barren zephyr]

Slow mode 😭

[robust dome]

ye :/

[left nacelle]

I mean, they do look through the #general-feedback channel and take suggestions. Like the whole "deino only detecting surface vibrations" thing I'm pretty sure is from #general-feedback

[sterile pivot]

Would be nice if they took suggestions like resolving hacking, fixing invisible cliffs, unstucking mechanics, resolving general server mechanics, reverting their lighting graphics(Way worse now), being more transparent(Would be much appreciated), and reverted certain balances(As most games do).
Ive seen them all heavily requested in general feedback over many posts with many votes

[left nacelle]

Most of those are things exclusive to this current update or are things being worked on. The transparency thing is something Kissen actually touched on and she basically said they can't be more transparent because they need to protect their IP

People can steal their code and stuff, It's already happened in the past. It's why most of the devs' stream VODs are unavailable

[sterile pivot]

I meant transparent more as in delays/issues, explanations, points of progression, and releasing promised features/additions.

I have been in many offical servers of other games in the past, the delays/issues and progressions, as well as explanations surrond bugs/issues and updates are things ive always found extremely helpful, involving, and general in any ive been in

[left nacelle]

I mean... the devs tell us most of those things in #isle-discussion. pretty often actually

[sterile pivot]

Ok...and essentially the only way of knowing that is to be interested in a specific channel and be skimming it for dev comments

I meant pinged posts

[left nacelle]

Or you can subscribe to The isle News Updates on Twitter. she covers all that stuff

[sterile pivot]

Hmmm

Didnt know that was a thing, I have always stayed away from twitter since its gone downhill. Free to subscribe and use I presume?

[left nacelle]

I have no idea why tf I said Twitter. i mean Youtube

[sterile pivot]

OH LOL

Ok ok thank you

[left nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/@SaphirCeratosaurus

@unreal ridge You're also forgetting about all the sounds, different life stage models, programming, balancing, QA testing, stress testing, and the sheer amount of animations each animal needs (well over 100)

And the devs tried adding a bunch of dinosaurs first and doing mechanics later, and that's one of the reasons why they had to abandon legacy. They need to do mechanics first to lay the foundation for future animals and mechanics

[unreal ridge]

oh yeah

forgor

[sterile pivot]

Just fyi that isnt why legacy was abandonded. Your point still stands tho, mechanics are important to add first

[left nacelle]

Yeah that isn't the only reason. But Kissen did say it was one of the main issues with legacy

[sterile pivot]

Yeah

[left nacelle]

But doing animals before mechanics would be like building a house and then trying to build its foundation afterwards

[sterile pivot]

Yeah. I am glad they are doing it the right way this time. Granted good thing they are adding cera too, need something to re-engage the community

[left nacelle]

Ye

I just want my beipi and I'm happy

[sterile pivot]

Honestly same with me and cera. Then I can peacefully roam around and infect anyone who disturbs me with dieases : D

I loved legacy cera

Kind of sad it didnt have a great role in the legacy food chain. Still was really fun imo

The sounds and animations always felt cool/special to me. I would have liked new cera to be similar in strength to POT cera, since I foresee the only thing that will prevent cera from being a free meal on its release(Since its slower than utah and weaker than carno) will be the fact it will give dieases. Even then, knowing that you can kill the cera and while it may be rough you won't die would make that threat worthless against some.

[robust dome]

@past fjord sounds more like Dilo tbh

[past fjord]

i believe dilo's venom main effect is hallucinations however it doesnt mean that both cant have venom that affects night vision

although troodon would benefit more from it being the surprise attacks making it a lot easier to hunt things

[left nacelle]

Kissen said that troodon's venom will "soften up its prey." Which I assume either means they have less health when effected by the venom, or they take more damage. Which imo sounds much MUCH more useful than venom that effects night vision

[north quiver]

@limber hull what’s your take on the hud customization since you downvoted it? I personally don’t see any problem with it because people like customization and the devs could surely add it whenever they have the opportunity to if they wanted

[limber hull]

the old HUD looks gross imho, and clashes with the artstyle

[north quiver]

but it won’t affect you since it’d be a (possible) customization option

[barren crater]

^

[sterile pivot]

Agreed, granted I think if customization was added that they would update the HUD options to better fit the current game

[barren crater]

Having more options for people is better

[sterile pivot]

Hence why I check-marked the post

[barren crater]

I want a more minimalistic hud personally

[north quiver]

it baffles me why people would be against more customization options. my only guess is that they saw the picture and immediately downvoted it without reading it

or they don’t want other people to customize the hud how they want it lmao

[sterile pivot]

Pretty much. Either a: They didnt take the time to read it. b: They are turds. Or c: They think it would take time away from other things the devs do. Sure the devs take forever to make updates, but anything related to QOL like customizations would come after mechanics and probably dinos are implemented, among other features

[north quiver]

sums it up perfectly

[grim marten]

That or they just like it the way it is :/

[north quiver]

they can keep their hud like it currently is if they want because it’s ✨ customization ✨ . meaning you can change it to your liking or keep it how it is. entirely your choice, and what you choose won’t affect others’ hud in any way

[icy lion]

@grand linden Day currently lasts longer than night, or at least it's intended to

[limber hull]

@grand linden thats already the case lol

[grim marten]

I know what 'customization' is. No need to talk to me like a child.

[north quiver]

no need to make it personal. I’m just pointing out the fact that customization means choice since it seemed like you thought it’d change it for everyone due to your wording

[grim marten]

There's no point in changing it to be like that tho. It'd be a waste of money and time.

[north quiver]

adding more options to enhance the average player’s experience isn’t a waste of money and time imo. if no one wanted the feature, then yea I’d agree it was probably a waste, but a lot of people like the idea of more customization options to personalize your game

I’d personally love an option that’d let me see my health on screen and an option that’d change the transparency of both it and the tab menu. maybe even an option to change the color of the tab menu too

[barren crater]

Not really? Shouldn't be high up on the priority list, but it would be enough for a QOL update

[narrow nova]

It seems that a lot of people are troubled by the gore system

[oblique crown]

@exotic hull Please no ETAs as said in rule 10

[exotic hull]

oh sorry about that i did read the rules but after so long i forgot some. extremely sorry.

[west lantern]

Having an automatic debug command that resets players that get stuck below map/ bugged/ stuck I'm general or a suicide/ respawn command please

[robust dome]

not the right channel

[barren zephyr]

@maiden anvil really like your feedback about the juvenile tyrannosaurus and how to make juveniles more unique. In my short time playing legacy, always felt that playing any young apex wasn't much fun and I was a walking chicken nugget who couldnt escape if spotted

[maiden anvil]

Thanks. I will likely do more Juvenile ideas in the future. Or those I can come up with something neat for

Spinosaurus juvenile art is ready so I’ll make sure to soon do a suggestion for that as well

[west lantern]

Sorry, accident...

[icy lion]

@loud oasis Drag swipe?

[ashen wasp]

Yeah I’m curious too what’s drag swiping

[peak granite]

@loud oasis I think utahs drag snipe is a problem but not nearly as big of a problem as carnos charge hit box. Utah is bad right now and a drag snipe doesn’t even really help it’s play that much, doesn’t make utah op or anything. Carno has enough goin for it that getting drag sniped is not going to hurt it’s viability. I’m not trying to say it shouldn’t get fixed I’m just pointing out that it’s not as broken as you make it sound. It also kind of sounds like you mean to say that carno should have a drag bite since utah does? Definitely not. No Dino’s should have a drag snipe unless it’s like directly intended as an ability for an attack. Like a swinging to the side head butt could probably be understandable with that kind of thing but not a bite.

[peak granite]

Swing your head when you bite and it lets you hit stuff that’s further away basically

Like in legacy kind of

[icy lion]

Ah, hitbox manipulation

[peak granite]

Yeah. Most Dino’s don’t work well with it but utah does

I think there was actually a video example in the general feedback channel if you wanna go scroll for that

[loud oasis]

@peak granite I agree with you. I just am pointing it out so it's noticed.

[nimble cliff]

I'm going to assume the "new model" is a joke then.

[limber hull]

it isnt

idk why you'd assume that lol

[nimble cliff]

And there is nothing we can do about it?

[limber hull]

idk why there would be

the model is really cool, what's to be done

[nimble cliff]

What's so cool about it.

[sterile pivot]

@narrow nova I agree, for growing organisms require more food and have faster metabolism than full grown and aged organisms

[limber hull]

it looks completely unique and interesting, and makes the animal even more intimidating and frightening

[narrow nova]

Yeah, I got the idea from 7 days to die

[limber hull]

i would rather juvis starve faster, than adults starve slower. A deino starving even slower than it already does would make it basically relaxation sim, way too easy

[narrow nova]

Regain stm need more cost

[nimble cliff]

My main frustration was it was dropped on us with no warning, no mention of a dilo remodel anywhere, and no way to voice opinions early.

[sterile pivot]

Ngl ive thought abt both the lower stam cap and the hunger depletion and how it only makes sense that both should decrease

[narrow nova]

It's just an idea, and the specific difficulty can be adjusted according to the type of dinosaur.and carno really shouldn't starve anymore faster

[limber hull]

i dont think we've EVER had a "vote on this model" system lol, why would they start specifically for this dilo

[nimble cliff]

I don't mean a vote, I mean a concept art like Anky when we got it undented.

[sterile pivot]

We havent ever had a vote on anything/ask community thing in general 💀

[limber hull]

thats very wrong but besides the point

[upbeat marten]

#general-feedback message
I really hope the devs actually read this suggestion, because Deino gameplay rn is really unfair and even getting ambushes is super boring plus water sense is the most useless ability that doesnt effect gameplay at all
And this suggestion not only makes ambushes more rewarding, it also lets water sense give that ability of being able to sense people above the water without risking exposure

[nimble cliff]

They why does it lack a indent in the back with the model?

[sterile pivot]

I only got here abt a year and a half/two years ago, in the time ive been here ive only seen one thing ever added(Which isnt confirmed but most likely) from community opinion/ desire and never are there polls/asks

[nimble cliff]

Did the Developers say they wanted to change it anyway?

[limber hull]

clearly they wanted to, because they did

[nimble cliff]

What about when we got them to change the Carno's sitting animation?

[sterile pivot]

They might have, I wasnt too sure. Ive only heard of that one ever

[limber hull]

you're acting as if everyone wants the dilo model changed

[upbeat marten]

Whether you like the dilo model or not they arent making a new one even if the entire community hated it

[sterile pivot]

Have we been shown the new dilo model? Or do we just know its going to change

[nimble cliff]

Its in Phase Three I believe

[sterile pivot]

I see

[limber hull]

hes talking about this guy

[nimble cliff]

Disgusting little pimple of a Dilo.

[sterile pivot]

Bro looks like my dads grandpa if he was turned into a dino

[nimble cliff]

Exactly

[limber hull]

i love it

its so creepy and gross i love it

[potent juniper]

I remember them saying they might possibly remove the quills on the chin before

[limber hull]

cant wait to see an elder version of that

[sterile pivot]

Maybe if thats an elder model...maybe. Still looks ugly.
But as the normal model it is weird. Its like those dogs that are 2 months old but look like they are on their deathbed

[nimble cliff]

I am not talking about making a new model, just revert it to the old model

[limber hull]

I still disagree

Old model kinda bland tbh, at least in comparison

[sterile pivot]

Ngl I loved old cera, dilo, dibble, and giga models. My 4 favorite models in the whole game

[upbeat marten]

The new one is better than the bland one imo, even if its bad in some peoples eyes the old one had no detail or anything

[narrow nova]

In fact, I sometimes wonder if developers are some other species that has a longer life span than me

[nimble cliff]

The old model is not bland, it is elegant. Also I don't imagine the Dilo vocals would fit very well with the new model.

[sterile pivot]

If this new model didnt look like its abt to have a heartattack from old age I think it would look nice, since the details, patterns, and appendages look nice. however the hairs, skin details on the face, and eyes are rly rly bad

[sterile pivot]

Ngl I feel like old dilo with added detail could be a perfect new dilo, and this new model could be a perfect elder dilo

[nimble cliff]

And I'm fine with gross designs, its just that it replaces a already great model and also is a mockery of new paleo dilo.

[limber hull]

the old model and new model look WAYY too different to possibly be adult and elder

its face shape literally changes entirely, no way is it an elder

[sterile pivot]

Its been awhile since ive done legacy ill go look at some images

[limber hull]

here's the previous render

[sterile pivot]

Oh sweet ty

[limber hull]

literally looks entirely different, structurally

[upbeat marten]

No hair either

[sterile pivot]

Yeah

[limber hull]

hair not really important

[nimble cliff]

Superior in every way.

[limber hull]

nah, new one superior

[icy lion]

Nah, old dilo's really boring to me

[sterile pivot]

Thinner longer neck, different arm placement, leaner legs, different face shape. Your right quite different

[icy lion]

I had genuinely 0 interest in dilo as an animal until the new model released

It's right up my alley

[proud coral]

I've been warming up to new Dilo, especially after comparing it to the old one. It's also good to remember that the eyes in renders are temporary (which often look bad), the hairs were said to likely change, and skins of course 😛

[sterile pivot]

I just think the hair, skin details on the upper body, and the chin/eye area makes it look like an elder. Looks really old.

[limber hull]

old dilo always just looked like a big snake on legs to me, nothing really that distinct or interesting about it, and with Troodon, which ALSO looks like a snake on legs, except does it better, dilo just kinda looks generic and bland

[proud coral]

Yeah it's face does look kinda old

[sterile pivot]

Honestly if thats so id be 100% cool with new dilo model

[proud coral]

.....the heck is the elder face gonna look like

[sterile pivot]

IKR Bro already looks like the eldest of the elders

[limber hull]

i need to know, this model must remain so i can see the elder

[icy lion]

Bigger crest, claws, more quills

Don't have to make everything wrinkly like a human

[nimble cliff]

Snakes are cooler then old men, and troodon is more lanky then the obviously more muscular Dilo which is less goofy and more elegant.

[proud coral]

Speaking of the claws! New Dilo has some nasty looking ones, makes me wonder if it'll use em

[sterile pivot]

I hope it does. I always felt like old one should have, they seemed quite long and usable

Not sure how realistic that is tho

[upbeat marten]

I doubt it as an attack but it would be cool to incorporate in its eating animation maybe

[limber hull]

new dilo actually looks like it fights like an actual dilo

big claws and brawn

[nimble cliff]

The old one is just as muscular, what it adds is just saggy fat.

[limber hull]

even if it's still a venomous monster, i like the fact it actually looks like a bigger, bruiser animal

arms look WAY more capable on the second one than the OG one

[sterile pivot]

Idk I feel like the old one was more menacing, this one looks like the dino that sits on a rock telling the little ones how he killed a rex in his good old days.

[limber hull]

old render always had pathetic looking arms to me

[nimble cliff]

Reminds me that new Dilo might suck in combat too.

[sterile pivot]

Like new cera. I understand new cera needs to be weaker both due to stats but also due to real knowledge, still I love cera and felt it was done dirty in legacy, so I fear for it

[limber hull]

old one looks goofy as lol, it's a fat little snake on legs with arms. Troodon takes the idea and runs with it, and does it much better, dilo just has pitiful little everything because venomous animal

[limber hull]

the model doesn't really change the combat capability lol

[proud coral]

It's prolly gonna be quite formidable physically thanks to Evrima combat.

[nimble cliff]

I didn't mean that I mean that hallucinations can only take it so far.

[limber hull]

cera in legacy was a ridiculously oversized animal, because combat in that game was purely based on the stats of the animal and nothing else

[proud coral]

Actually, there's a secret secondary effect specifically because of this to aid it in hunts. We do now know what though.

[nimble cliff]

And the new Dilo looks goofy as well.

[sterile pivot]

Yup, cera should be like half the size of carno

[nimble cliff]

I am so tired of the developers just saying "its a secret" or some variation of that, just sounds like they don't know what they want to do.

[proud coral]

Usually it's because they're still working on it and....well, people get a n g r y when plans change. But yeah it can feel a bit irritating at times 😛

[sterile pivot]

based on development data and knowledge its hard to believe there are all these dinos hidden away waiting for their moment to shine

[nimble cliff]

I would rather be told that it is still up for debate rather then they just don't want to tell.

[limber hull]

what data and knowledge are you going off lol

[nimble cliff]

Many questions are just worked around when asked in the isle discussion.

or just told (in the case of Troodon's venom) that its a secret.

[tall hearth]

why is it not allowed to be a secret?

[sterile pivot]

Wait

I am wrong

I was tihnking of the wrong thing

[proud coral]

We actually know a little more of it now. Not all details, but a fair bit. Comes in stages, 3rd stage is "devastating", softens prey up essentially, gotta time it right.

[icy lion]

They've got NDAs and an IP to protect

[nimble cliff]

I would rather know so I can give my opinion in hope of changing it if I don't like it.

[sterile pivot]

I was tihnking of the dinos that are being saved up for later supposably not the secrets. Secrets are important for all games, I meant the supposebly ready to go content

[limber hull]

Yea, but then people who DO like it get mad that they "promised" something not delivered

[tall hearth]

give your opinion of it when it comes out tho? thats the best time for feedback. when you actually experience what it does instead of just words and explanations.

[proud coral]

If this is referring to the "7 dinos ready but not being released yet" thing, that was a misunderstanding

[sterile pivot]

Yeah thats what I was thinking of

[icy lion]

Oh, that? People misinterpreted Filipe's comment. There's never been 7 dinos just ready to be put in game but ~mysteriously weren't~

[sterile pivot]

Gotchya

[proud coral]

Was more so 7 dinos in different stages of development 😛

[nimble cliff]

I would rather give my opinion earlier so the developers can make changes more easily.

[icy lion]

Or very close to being developed

[limber hull]

It was "we are working on 7 dinos in tandem with certain systems, which can be released as soon as said systems are in place and the animals are finished"

not "haha we have 7 dinos u cant have them"

[sterile pivot]

I see

[tall hearth]

they can make changes more easily seeing it in action. idk how you dont get that. just telling you how it works doesnt help the functionality of it. it has to be played to know how exactly its gonna work in a real setting

[nimble cliff]

But it would be better to be able to test the system myself instead of just reading about it but that's what QA's for.

[icy lion]

And stress test

[nimble cliff]

Maybe I just wan't more people in QA so more feedback could be gained.

[icy lion]

Applications are always open

Have to be 18 or older and willing to sign an NDA

[nimble cliff]

I don't want to be QA cause I can't play the game every day, just saying more feedback from more people would be better.

[tall hearth]

the feedback would go straigfht to the devs anyways, idk why you want to see every piece of it

[nimble cliff]

Also about the Dilo Remodel again, you can't argue that the vocals are unique.

[limber hull]

what

[nimble cliff]

Just saying that the vocals wouldn't fit well with the new Dilo.

[limber hull]

how

[proud coral]

Vocals generally change a bit from legacy to Evrima. So who knows.

[nimble cliff]

You were talking about how different and more muscular the new Dilo model is so I would imagine the old vocals would not fit very well with that new style.

[nimble cliff]

No amount of tweaking can make the Dilo Vocals better. Only Worse.

They would have to be entirely remade.

[proud coral]

I know most wouldn't want it, but it's OG broadcast would kinda fit this Dilo model, at least to me

[icy lion]

Nah, imo the sounds should stay as close as possible

[proud coral]

https://youtu.be/hnSEMx2_pO4?t=133 Heehee

I hope they find a way to bring that one back. Even as like a mating call or something

[nimble cliff]

Man now i'm torn between the Legacy one and the old one.

[proud coral]

Current broadcast was actually the old friendly 😛

[nimble cliff]

Well if they aren't going to revert to the old one then I can at least try to change the current one to something better.

Like straighter, thicker hair, less fat and more muscle, and reshaping the crest.

And a taller posture.

[sterile pivot]

Id prefer no hair, it makes no sense. Unless that isnt hair, since hair is not something almost any dino had(Including dilo).

[nimble cliff]

Thin feathers is what they are, hair is just a abbreviation.

[sterile pivot]

I see

I think reworked feathers would be nice, these on this model kind of seem odd. Though I think on the elder model they would fit very nicely

[peak granite]

Makes sense I figured that was the case but some people really think utah is op still and find absurd things like that to prove it 😂

[sterile pivot]

But utah is really op. It can easily kill off a whole group of dryos. I think it needs a major damage nerf, that way dryo can hopefully solo utah. ||/s||

[peak granite]

😂😂😂

You know what I think even if that was a legit criticism it makes sense to have dryo do more damage and not have utah do less.

[sterile pivot]

😂 Jokes aside I feel bad abt utah, I used to main legacy utah, and at first evrima utah. But its kinda bad now. It doesnt help im a solo player too

[sterile pivot]

100%. On the topic of dryo I still feel like it needs a speed/stam buff, and a buff to its dodge(decrease stam usage). Poor guy gets cremated :/

[peak granite]

Yeah I think if carno had an actual sensical hit box it would be significantly less bad but ooohhh my god you can’t do anything with a utah right now.

Fight a teno at best, but not solo

[sterile pivot]

Yeah a charge that is a stegos length away can still manage to one shot you. And if it doesnt they still have enough stam to repeat it another 20 times.

[peak granite]

Yah I think they need to make the dryo survivable. It’s only defense is to try to get away in vegetation or hope it’s aggressor dies of cringe after missing 4 times. It needs escape longevity, more endurance.

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, tenos is the most fair fight rn for utah and you need like 2-3. The easiest thing to solo as utah in the past is either carno or stego(Before QOL went downhill and made stego fights way too risky and carnow as buffed/utah nerfed to make that fight impossible)

[peak granite]

Especially with the Stam diets and such 🥲

[sterile pivot]

LOL that last example had me laughing hard. Sad but true 😂 😭
And yes to the longevity and endurance

[sterile pivot]

Yeah. The best thing ive ever soloed as a utah is a 70%/80% carno.
I would have thought it harder than a adult but I think I got lucky and was playing a worse player

[peak granite]

Perhaps if server and user side hit consistency was better the fights would be better with stego, but Carno is just incomprehensible unstoppable on land as the game stands

[limber hull]

omni def isnt overpowered, but its in a good spot atm. It needs an ecosystem without a bus-sized carno, however

[sterile pivot]

Its in a good spot if carno and pachy werent OP

[limber hull]

kinda no point playing omni when carno is everything you do but better

[peak granite]

He was already so underutilized and they needed him literally into the goddamn underworld

[peak granite]

Yeah utah isn’t weak, other stuff is just overturned.

[limber hull]

its annoying too

[peak granite]

Means comparatively, it is weak

[limber hull]

omni has such a great potential to be cool, but is overshadowed

[peak granite]

Can fight other less overturned stuff like teno

[sterile pivot]

Unforutantely as it is carno and pachy are OP so used over dryo, teno, or other omnis, which makes finding omnis to form packs with imposssible, not to mention that the fair prey(Dryo/hypsi/teno/omnis(if ur a canni ig)) even rarer to find

[limber hull]

also, tbh, i'm fine with the current pachy/omni matchup, i think the pachy/carno and pachy/teno matchups are where pachy really shows how stupid broken it is

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, used to main utah, was really hoping omni would be more viable. I hope it makes a comeback in future balances once pachy and canro are fixed

[peak granite]

Yeah. The ecosystem and the power structure of the game are soooo far against anything that isn’t a carno or a stego, deino I guess but it’s hardly part of the land ecosystem

[limber hull]

pachy should not be soloing carnos and tenos, yet it does, extremely easily

[peak granite]

At least pachy is slower than a carno and a utah I guess

[sterile pivot]

Im fine with the current pachy omni matchup beyond the ridiculous special attack disregards. As someone who plays pachy way more than utah, I should not be able to kill a utah because I did a special attack when it was flying at my side.

[sterile pivot]

Yeah

[peak granite]

I think carno is more like… gameplay problematic whereas pachy is more 1v1 problematic

[sterile pivot]

Poor tenos man :/

[limber hull]

true as

tenos got absolutely no nerfs, yet got DUMPSTERED this patch

[peak granite]

Because a carno can run down anything but a pachy can get you down as hell if you try to fight it

[sterile pivot]

Carno runs down anything, while pachy makes it so the victim cant run. Different gameplay/mechanics, same result

[limber hull]

because the balanced, skill-based brawler herbivore isn't really a good pick when you can play the "rmb to win" animals that are pachy and carno, especially when pachy grows faster and carno moves at mach speed

[sterile pivot]

Pretty crazy to think abt

[sterile pivot]

• meant this

[peak granite]

Teno’s playstyle and build is complex and fragile, not surprised it got shat when they nullified it’s counters.

[limber hull]

the moment they nerf pachy and carno, we'll see tenos again

[peak granite]

Yeah, same dismal result.

Yeah I got so into teno like 2 days before the update and now it’s so awful 😭

It was so cool and I had just been playing utah and carno to till that point and I only had two days to enjoy teno

[sterile pivot]

Yup. I just play stego nowadays until cera releases. Id play canro but everyones a canni and all I do is run around for food constantly since my hunger depletion is bad, or I play pachy and get cannied or crapped on by large packs of carnos. Deino is the worst, everyone(EVERYONE) is a canni. Im even getting less happy with steg since I have had two situations where people attempted to canni me. And teno/omni are unplayable rn so cant use them.

[peak granite]

Carno is so op it’s not even fun.

I don’t want to massacare 6 tenos I want to fight them :/

[limber hull]

you realise cera is a cannibal right

[sterile pivot]

Yeah I used to be a utah tryhard, so after omni teno was my second choice.
It was veyr satisfying to use well, but then just became unplayable no matter what you do

[sterile pivot]

Yeah idm I just like the sound of diease-spreading and I loved old cera

Well

I guess I dont mind now until I find how it is

[peak granite]

Yeah it’s rough, you can’t just say something is a pack hunter therefore it should be unviable alone. That’s not how people want to play and it completely ruins the dino if people don’t play it anymore since you actually are not capable of being in a group and then people play it even LESS and then like it’s a whole thing

[limber hull]

i kinda wish carno wasn't a cannibal. Not because I dislike them killing each other, I'm fine with that, they just make absolutely zero sense being a cannibal.

Deino: Cannibal, defensive opportunist carnivore that only gets to eat when food comes to it, or when it's already dead
Cera: Cannibal, defensive opportunist carnivore that only gets to eat when food comes to it, or when it's already dead
Carno: Cannibal, capable hunter animal that doesn't need to rely on opportunity due to its competent and powerful hunting strategies

Why exactly is carno a cannibal

[sterile pivot]

EXACTLY.

[peak granite]

The cannibalism isn’t really the problem tbh

[limber hull]

It's a massive part in what makes carno so good

[peak granite]

It’s the fact that you literally do not die to anything that isn’t a carno

It’s just demoralizing and boring

Same for deino

[sterile pivot]

It actually is a really bad problem for the dinos that were built to never be cannibalize

Its terrible for pachy and stego for isntance

[peak granite]

Yeah but deinos and stegos have the same issue like

They’re only dying to other deinos and other stegos

[limber hull]

For deino, it makes sense tho

Also deino needs something that isn't stego to moderate its numbers

[sterile pivot]

I think the waterways need to be bigger for deino cannibalization to be better. Bc rn you literally cannot pass another deino in a waterway/get around them to go anywhere

[limber hull]

Because it requires a deino to make a ton of mistakes to die to a stego

[peak granite]

And stegos aren’t made to canni but they do even though they don’t have a reason, they’re bored I guess

[sterile pivot]

I was cannied yesterday

As stego. Its a terrible experience. Disgusting experience

[peak granite]

Yeah see they’re bored and they just need something to do, they can only catch other stegos

[sterile pivot]

Probably one of the most off-putting experiences I have had in my hundreds of hours of playing

[peak granite]

Yeah

Or pachy on pachy violence

Had two pachy come out of the dark and Stu lock me to death

I was like

Dude are you fckn serious?

[limber hull]

the reason its so common is because a lot of these animals are very dominant. Pachy is the best animal at killing pachy

[peak granite]

Yeah

Once you have a leg break you’re done

[limber hull]

Carno is the best animal at killing carno

[peak granite]

Combat is so skewed

[limber hull]

Deino is the best animal at killing deino

[sterile pivot]

Like ive been cannied as everything but ptera/hypsi/dryo, pachy and stego are the worst since you can do nothing. Stego you have a bit more of a chance, but for some reason it feels worse

[limber hull]

Stego is the best animal at killing stego

[sterile pivot]

Only if you have two.

[peak granite]

Game needs a fix

Well one stego killing a stego is still better than like Dino’s trying since the stego can get away and better than carno or utah for obvious reasons

[sterile pivot]

1 aggresive stego cannot kill another victim stego due to how stego works(offense on the back not the front). However with two your a goner. I only survived bc I baited swings from both cannis and then ran up a ravine to hide in the side of the ravines bushes.

[sterile pivot]

True

[peak granite]

So it isn’t like super op against itself but stego is pretty invulnerable to everything else

[sterile pivot]

Omni is actually the best killer of omnis if the other omni is sitting down. 2 head bites and a full charge kills a omni as omni

[sterile pivot]

Yeah

[peak granite]

I’d argue carno is better actually 🧐

[sterile pivot]

Ive seen deinos solo stegos before(on land)

[sterile pivot]

Hmmm I think ill have to give you that one

[peak granite]

Cause If you assume suprise attack like that

[sterile pivot]

Yeah

[peak granite]

Carno is absolutely better

But yeah the utahs definitely kill each other easy

[sterile pivot]

I find utah vs utah fights very fascinating. Probably one of the closest fights to what they used to be in legacy

[limber hull]

carno and pachy are better at killing omni than omni, imho

[peak granite]

Yeah

[sterile pivot]

Yeah you two are right

[peak granite]

I think the only reason utah is better for killing utah than pachy is because the utah can maybe run away

[sterile pivot]

Granted that is if its a surprise attack

If you can get friendly wit the other omni then technically its better. But thats true for most dinos

[peak granite]

Yeah

Ugh 😂

This game 💀💀💀

[sterile pivot]

Yeah that basically sums up this tbh

I fear for canni mechanics, since it doesnt seem to be up there in the list of "need fixes". Heck it could even become a permanent issue.

[peak granite]

I desperately want it to be good it has so much potential, drives me up the wall to see it in such an absurd state.

[peak granite]

I think a lot of it comes from lack of stimulation and lack of roster

[sterile pivot]

Ikr. used to be my favorite game when my friend recommended it to me, but I am currently very close to taking another hiatus but it will never end

[sterile pivot]

Yeah.

[peak granite]

If you run into stuff that isn’t your species more often you’re less likely to kill your species because you don’t have to to be entertained

It’s not advantageous to keep fellow carnos alive, you can always find more

[sterile pivot]

Yup, or if you have other things to do beyond fighting like its fortnite.

[sterile pivot]

Mhm

[peak granite]

I’ve been on hiatus for a while. I got so sick and tired of u6

[peak granite]

Such a shame nesting is so useless

[sterile pivot]

I took a hiatus for many months, then came back(All I found was new was now there are retextured meat chunks that give you special nutrients if you left spam a body, and worse lighting/QOL and glitched sniffing). Took another for a few weeks, nothing new. My next hiatus I know wont be just a few weeks, and I have a feeling when POT releases its major questing update I wont come back to this game. We will see.

[sterile pivot]

And the nesting grounds are so unexpanded on. I heard they will expanded on in the new map, so much missing potential

[peak granite]

Yeah it’s just disappointing EVERYTIME you think it may be better. I hated the eating and drinking lock thing. U6 felt so glitchy and offputting the eating lock made it worse. The diets were nice but even them are glitchy and dysfunctional and make me want to stop playing when a new diet starts when you already have it in a different slot

[peak granite]

Yeah there’s always so much potential to the game. I really hope this one actually comes through for us

[sterile pivot]

Oh yeah forgot to include the eating drinking lock. Thing is unrealistic, annoying, and has literally killed me twice. The way the diet system requires 100%, cant be dumped partially, and fills empty slots when you have partially full ones is annoying too.

[peak granite]

I got timed out 😂

[sterile pivot]

How come? Thats weird

[peak granite]

Yeah it was supposed to make you be more aware of your surroundings but it’s effectively deleted any awareness because you can’t be aware

Supposed to put you more on edge, and it does but it doesn’t let you actually do anything about it

[sterile pivot]

Cant forget the terrible audio on footsteps

I love to sit there with high volume eating meat and suddenly get hit by a pachy who ran up on me.

[peak granite]

Hmmm not sure but I think I said something about a bull and it’s dookie if you know what i mean

[sterile pivot]

Oh lol

[peak granite]

Yop.

[peak granite]

I definitely dropped a few f words earlier I don’t know why they got me for bull dookie

Whatever I guess 😂

[sterile pivot]

Yeah this game is heading towards a path of falling behind, since it has so much potential that isnt being touched on with nearly every update. Similarly old things that are causing a loss of potential/enjoyment are not being looked upon and fixed.

[peak granite]

I love this game I do. It brings me so much joy and entertainment sometimes. But it also really sucks sometimes.

[sterile pivot]

Oopsies. Yeah I dont rly swear, so I am normally safe lol

[peak granite]

Yeah. It’s glitchy and uncomfortable but not in a charming way like Skyrim. Skyrim was also like full of potential and stuff that was cool but also glitchy but it made the game better, the isle just makes people frustrated and upset

[peak granite]

I love curse words 😂

I think I normally use stuff like fkn or gawrddam so the thing never times me out?

I don’t know why it only got me that time

I don’t know the criteria for being like warned or banned or nothin. Hopefully im okay 😂

Like do you remember when they tried to fix some glitches in Skyrim but people got really sad about it so they added the glitches back 😂

[sterile pivot]

I remember the first time me and a friend played evrima. It was during covid and honestly one of the most enjoyable and peaceful experiences for me during that time. We had jumped from cliff into a hole that fell into water. We were at the shore in this photo. It was a beautiful game, with nice fighting/fair fighting, and the QOL was great.
This was the game I loved and bought. And now we have whatever we have now. I think there are few people that can tell me that the game back then was worse than it is now.

[sterile pivot]

Lol

[peak granite]

I want to go back… to be honest

We may have more “content” now but it’s less fun

Even when it was only utah and teno and cannibalism was rampant

The cannibalism was actually fun and engaging

[sterile pivot]

Id revert everything that has been done to this game if it means having a game like that again. And FYI we have all the dinos back then in that photo that we do now.

[peak granite]

You’d have betrayers in the group that would stop 1 calling to show their names every so often and attack

That was FUN okay like

Even if it was just cannibalism

[peak granite]

I wish someone could put up the old version so I could play it

[sterile pivot]

Yeah. There was very little teno cannibalism and lets be real utah cannibalism was so chaotic and exciting that it was even more fun than utah vs carno now

[peak granite]

😂

[sterile pivot]

Bro id spend another 20 dollars if I could get the old version back 😂

Sad that the game has been done so dirty.

[peak granite]

Yeah I loved it! The constant search for food and the fear of not making the right choice was crazy

But it wasn’t a sustainable gameplay

[sterile pivot]

I have a few mre photos like these. They truely show what the game had that could never be outshown by any other game of its kind

[peak granite]

Despite that it was still more fun than what we have now

[peak granite]

Yeah

[peak granite]

Literally 😭

[sterile pivot]

True. Honestly if they had just added better ai generation for regions and made a few more cool places/things to do around the map I would have been happy. Could have explored the map and enjoyed the graphics forever

With graphics and quality of gameplay like that id take it anyday over sitting by a river to swing at deinos, getting cannibalized, or run around as carno merking anything I see

[peak granite]

Yeah

The lighting degradation honestly like

Made the game not worth playing, not even for the graphics and sights

If it had good lighting I would probably still play it but it literally looks and feels so awful

[sterile pivot]

It is so painful to compare. Honestly I feel like if any of the devs look back on photos of their old game I think they would take the steps to bringing it back to what it was. Theres no way they could see what its become and not feel like something was messed up

[peak granite]

Yeah I don’t mmm

I don’t understand the devs for this game

I don’t understand how they can’t see the things that the community seems to see so clearly and easily

[sterile pivot]

The graphics and lighting are basically what makes this game better than POT. Without them it compares only in its unique mechanics and passive growth

[peak granite]

Perhaps their vision is simply much different than the vision of the audience they attracted

[peak granite]

Yeah and they’re sacrificing that for what… anti gamma we don’t need?

I don’t care if some people see better at night I want the game to be pretty

No Dino’s rely on night rn

It does not MATTER

[sterile pivot]

Yeah. I remember when photos like the ones I showed were spammed everyday with requests for the old graphics back. Now they are never seen. Most people have forgotten or have moved on, but both the old feedback and wants are more or just as clear to add as what people are begging for nowadays

[sterile pivot]

Exactly :/

[peak granite]

Pot has better graphics rn but the movement is so awful. That’s what keeps me from it. The combat movement and animations. The game is constantly at odds with itself.

[sterile pivot]

Besides we practically have more hackers than gamma users anyway lol

[peak granite]

I hope we get some semblance of the cinematic background worthy lighting we used to have with gateway

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, while there are few things that TI does/did better than POT, there are more than just those things that POT doesnt do great.

[peak granite]

OH MY GOD AND THE HACKERS!! It’s actually really bad!!!

[sterile pivot]

"Anticheats" 🤡

[peak granite]

Yeah.

[peak granite]

It’s basically a virus dude. It probably hinders the game more than it helps

[sterile pivot]

Same.

[sterile pivot]

Its insane. Like literally several hackers everyday its crazy

[peak granite]

And they don’t have any active admin to actually deal with them

[sterile pivot]

Back on legacy there used to be a odd hacker every week or two on a sandbox server, or they were all on the sus chinease ones

[peak granite]

Yeah there were the hacked servers but I don’t think I ever encountered an actual hacker on my official gameplay or gameplay on community servers in legacy

I had like one speed hacking dilo run me down as a utah one time but that’s it

[sterile pivot]

Yeah I actually never experienced a hacker outside of sandbox personally.

[peak granite]

And? Tbh? I dint mind the hacked Chinese servers. The hypos were cool.

[peak granite]

Yeah you get the hacked up pues in sandbox but that’s it really

[sterile pivot]

Yeah I dont mind the chinease servers at all. Let those who want to mess around with hacks do their thing. It basically let hackers play with their cheats and seperated them from community survival servers for the most part

[peak granite]

I never played on the hacked servers as a hypo but I got cool screenshots

[peak granite]

Yeah it’s just like… we’ll I’d never seriously try to grow anything there but I don’t care that they have hacked stuff

It’s still cool to go spawn in as a juv utah and see what’s up

Watch 6 hypo spinos do a ritual on the beach like??? It was cool. Legacy hacking was cool.

[sterile pivot]

Yes LOL

[peak granite]

If only evrima hacking was cool

:/

[sterile pivot]

Now its just sub stegos running down carnos 💀

[peak granite]

Loosing my mind loosing my mind loosing my mind 😭

Small deinos running 4 miles onto land to snatch a carno 😭😭😭😭

I hate it so much I just want it to be fixed

😂

[sterile pivot]

Fresh spawned deino grabbing and drowning utahs 💀

[sterile pivot]

There is so so much to fix, and more and more fixes need to be made every update. Its crazy

[peak granite]

If they’d just release small fixes every so often the game would be better they try to do so much all at once and we have to live with it for a year and a half

[sterile pivot]

Its like building a skyscraper where you make an incredible foundation out of brick and then start making everything above it out of straw and mud with a bit of wood scattered around

[peak granite]

Yeah

Their update schedule is the root of so many problems I think. It’s the reason we have so many long lived issues

And their apparent distrust of the community 😅

Or *update schedule sorry

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, like all the gore feature did is add a small new mechanic that negatively impacted QOL and caused bugs with sniffing/eating, and all at the cost of many months of development and very little gain in interesting content

[peak granite]

Yeah like

We wait a year and a half? For no new dino and less fun

Just fix the things we say are broken instead of making new random shi

Take like 3 months to just tweak hated stuff and you’ll get significantly better feedback I think

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, I think the issue is that the development caused a growing portion of the communnity to be negative/downing to the devs/development, which the devs dealt with equally, forming a growing seperation. And from there its just went to crap. Thats just how I have seen it over what ive been shared with my OG players and from my own 2 years of being here

[sterile pivot]

We are on day 429 since last added dino

[peak granite]

Yeah. I never payed much attention to the dev team before evrima and ooohhh my god. It’s like they hate us

Straight up

[peak granite]

LOOSING MY MINDDDDDDD

I also hear a lot of people get banned for saying negative stuff?

[sterile pivot]

People have been banned for saying less than we have rn...

[peak granite]

I don’t know, I’ve only had a few relatively short discussions about it. This’ll be my first actual long one discussing multiple things I’m dissatisfied with.

[peak granite]

Mods are asleep maybe 😂

[sterile pivot]

I try to keep a clarifying mindset here that I do not in any way hate/dislike devs and support htem, and I feel bad for the bad state the community and game is in.

[peak granite]

Yeah

I do love this game

I don’t think the devs are bad I just think there’s too big a divide between us and them

[sterile pivot]

Same man, and its really that love that is the reason why we are here talking about all the lost potential both in the development and the community ties

[peak granite]

I just wish they would listen or organize the feedback channels better maybe…

[sterile pivot]

If we didnt love the game and its progression we wouldnt be here talking abt it

[peak granite]

Talk to us, make us feel heard

[sterile pivot]

I know...:/

[peak granite]

When they changed night vision it was like So much hope was given that the devs were listening

And then

I was so so happy about it

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, I recall there used to be closer connection, including to feedback, but I think something happened to damage that

[peak granite]

We got what we asked for and it was awesome

[sterile pivot]

Yeah it was a fix we really wanted and got, which made EVERYONE happy

[peak granite]

There was like 2 people sending stuff in feedback saying they liked the old seizure one better but they all had like 60 x’s

😂

[sterile pivot]

😂

[peak granite]

And then they released U6 and I sincerely doubt anyone on QA thought it was good

It’s like it wasn’t even tested

Or at least balance wasn’t

[sterile pivot]

I believe graphics and lighting had 120ish upvotes...And 0 downvotes if that says anything

[peak granite]

Will you say this again a different way I’m not understanding 😂

[limber hull]

I am a fan of the old NV, but don't really care which one we got

[sterile pivot]

Back when people were into having cool map structures, old graphics/lighting, and feathered features people would get 80-120+ upvotes and literally 0 downvotes

[peak granite]

I personally think the new one is better but the old one was literally medically harmful for visually sensitive people so

I think perhaps that tells you something

[limber hull]

tbf, im really not certain about how legit some of the claims were

[peak granite]

Oh yeah Forsure

[limber hull]

some people were claiming hospitalisation, but didn't take it anywhere

[peak granite]

I’m not visually sensitive and I had problems looking at it so im inclined to believe them

It was uncomfortable to look at

[sterile pivot]

😂
Back when people cared more/remembered old lighting and graphics, it was crazy to see them attach a few photos of the old game and then ask for current graphics/lighting to be reverted. Everyone supported the feedback with like 120ish upvotes(could be more that was only when I checked it).

[peak granite]

Yeah I get you now. I loved seeing the overwhelming positive reactions to suggestions about making the lighting back to how it was

[sterile pivot]

Sorry wdym?

[sterile pivot]

And yet here we are :/

[peak granite]

Okay wait actually we overlooked the only purely good thing that came from the update

The water no longer looks like oil :)

[sterile pivot]

That is true!

I forgot abt that water

[limber hull]

the lighting is getting a significant change that makes it look MUCH better, this is more than just confirmed

[peak granite]

Yaaaay!!! And it looks so sexy on gateway too omg

[limber hull]

it's on Gateway, yea

[sterile pivot]

Sweet

[peak granite]

The water is so good

[limber hull]

something about Spiro makes the lighting awful, idk why

Spiro is just awful in general

[peak granite]

It’s the anti gamma

[limber hull]

No it isn't

Anti-gamma is still on Gateway

[peak granite]

Anything in shadow is like automatic black and anything that’s light is very bright

[limber hull]

So it's not Anti-gamma

[peak granite]

Yeah it’s different anti gamma

They changed it I think they said

Plus they changed light diffusion? Or somethin??

Less solid shadows maybe I don’t actually know but the bad lighting originally came with the addition of anti gamma

So I assume improved anti gamma is the reason for better lighting in spiro

Is my path of logic at least

[limber hull]

Gateway is legit the main thing I care about

It's all I need for the game to be actually finally really good

[peak granite]

Yeah I think abandoning spiro will be the best thing for us in a long time

[limber hull]

Because all these mechanics and dinos are nice, but on this horrid little map, hate it

It doesn't actually work

[peak granite]

Yeah

There’s no intrigue or motivation to explore *on spiro

I guess that’s what happens when you get a real level designer

You get a good map 😂

Plus no one knows how we’re supposed to say the name. Spee-ro or spie-ro or sperro or- you get the point it just sounds silly

Gateway sounds cinematic 😎

[boreal meadow]

How do you say evrima again?

[peak granite]

I say it e-vir-ma but I literally could not tell you the intended pronunciation

[limber hull]

its ev-ree-ma

[peak granite]

I know some people say it like ev-vree-ma too

[boreal meadow]

Ok so I was saying it right neat

Danke

[peak granite]

Just say whatever no one can tell you that you’re wrong

They don’t know

😂

I would like to re-iterate that I do not hate this game and I love it to death but I would really appreciate if balance and quality of life was improved :)

[rocky aspen]

@maiden anvil

You should do a juvenile herbi concept. Maybe how a trike would survive?

[maiden anvil]

I have now planned for shant and para

[rocky aspen]

I'd love to see shant ^^

[tepid gate]

I'd say that if you aren't certain then it's probably better not to question these claims. If multiple people are saying that they feel bad looking at the game then it's probably safer to assume that something isn't right.

[tepid gate]

Idk where you'd want them to take it but most people's first response isn't to sue others.

[pulsar lake]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1076349278458478652
Pterosaurs don't have grasping feet. It would be better if it could just grab things with its beak.

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Everything can turn in place

[barren zephyr]

In legacy

it can't

[icy lion]

I know

Legacy doesn't matter anymore

[barren zephyr]

turn radius on everything in evrima is fine

[icy lion]

Even in legacy, everything can turn in place with alt turn

Most servers like to disable it though

[barren zephyr]

Bruh

[oblique crown]

IOFT is the only server with a decent player base that enables alt turn but is a sandbox on v3 with a ton of terrible rules

Unless things changed since

[brave jasper]

@trail mesa Big fan of the weapon choices only thing I'd have added personally would have been a kukri knife but with the selection given I really can't complain.

[trail mesa]

Kukri I was definitely considering when choosing machetes and I would still be down to see it come

[brave jasper]

I've never seen a heavy machete that thing looks nuts

[limber hull]

personally dont like the big-ass snipers still, because i guarantee you they will not be aimed at vehicles if someone has one

[brave jasper]

Another thing potentially though this would be more gear related than weapons could be small traps like trip wires or bear traps one can set around base to potentially snatch anything small creeping up oh and throwing weapon options like the hatchet and knives

maybe shurikens for style points

[limber hull]

also i would much prefer we have more shotguns than snipers tbh

[brave jasper]

^

Meet the DP 12 a double barrel pump action shotgun

[limber hull]

we have a ton of bolt-action/lever-action rifles for longer ranged combat, then like, 2 shotguns

who in their right mind is going to want a shotgun with such an array of longer ranged, safer KoS enablers at their disposal?

[brave jasper]

me ive got crappy aim at range

[limber hull]

the longest ranged weapon will always be the best one

so making the longer ranged weapons stronger and more common than the short range ones seems kinda ridiculous

[urban flax]

I'd hate snipers as well
Literally useless in a close quarters encounter

That moment when ultra-rare weapons are worse than common ones

Oh wait I just looked at the doc
42 pages
42 pages just with guns
There's almost one gun for every playable dino

(Wait no there is more than one gun per page)
So MORE guns than there are dinos

Ok there's 40 guns in that and a few utilities and melee weapons

[limber hull]

only really useful for the sole purpose of ruining someone's day from afar lol

and would punish plains animals for existing in their biomes

btw, that's a real argument, that snipers should be added to "punish players who stand in the open and broadcast"

[rare fractal]

The sheer amount of times I've heard this perspective is actually baffling

It's disturbingly common...

[limber hull]

you deserve to be punished if you want to nest or are nesting

[rare fractal]

"Bad positioning"

You were visible, therefor death

[limber hull]

or just are a plains animal in general

[rare fractal]

I just haven't heard any arguments in support of them that don't essentially boil down to:
"I don't like that I can't eliminate other threats (players) before they become threatening"

[limber hull]

"God, BoB is so garbage, did you know they have a RIDICULOUS lightning system which punishes players for going outside? LOL! The Isle is so much better."

"Stop putting foliage near cliffs! We're sick of dying to things entirely outside of our control, because we decide to walk somewhere we think is safe and are punished by dying to something we couldn't see!"

"Instantly kill anyone who dares exit the safety of the forest through the use of nothing but lead, players should not be allowed to stand still unpunished. Carno? Stego? Plains animals? Just hide in bushes lol, pretty easy solution."

[rare fractal]

Exactly....and I think the counter of guns/ammo being rare, to prevent players from indiscriminately killing other players is just utterly insane from several angles.
For one, punishment from using a long range weapon because it's load is...well...entirely unreliable and regulated by how high traffic an area is, on top of retaliator availability even IF the area is high traffic, on top of the dino player that can kill the human wanting to at risk of being shot themselves....

Then we add on the mechanic of possibly being able to scent gunpowder after a gun is fired...but at that point why do guns even exist if they give a dino in the area coordinates to your location, you're using a weapon that will ABSOLUTELY get you killed for self defense...that doesn't make any sense.

And the motive also falls into question when we consider what players may perceive as a good reason to spend their ammo, carnos and omnis may be your biggest threat on the island, so why not eliminate them when you can to reduce their overall chances of killing you?

There's just a myriad of reasons why they simply shouldn't be available, let alone rare

[limber hull]

Ammo being rarer only makes each bullet count even more, meaning people will WANT to use it more for instant gratification

[rare fractal]

The kill will be that much more satisfying

Plus that's again...the whole deino defense of "it's rare so why improve the mechanic"

As if death via unfair means being rare justifies those unfair means

[limber hull]

except deino at least is in the rivers

you know where deino is

[rare fractal]

it's at least localized....a shooter could be anywhere

[limber hull]

to a sniper, you can die while running, walking, standing, swimming, flying, nesting, eating, drinking

you just DIE

and there's no way you can outrun the bullet

[rare fractal]

"Oh but shooting will have realistic ballistic mechanics and focus"
Ok so what's the point of using a gun for self defense when a defensive scenario is the LEAST likely context for your target to be hit

What is the point of this defense mechanism if it works best when you're not in danger

[limber hull]

exactly

if it's an EXTREMELY difficult shot to make without proper setup and a calm environment, it'd exist for the SOLE purpose of findng a nice, comfortable cliff or bush, setting up the rifle, shooting a single bullet to kill some random animal that wasn't doing anything, and leaving quickly because the sound and smell revealed your location

it's ONLY viable use is random KoS on an animal that literally had no idea you existed

this is why i think shotguns are absolutely the best choice as the peak of weapons. They can do CRAZY good damage, but can only be used in a close range environment, where you're at the most risk. They'd also be loud and obvious, making their usage something you'd only consider in a VERY last-resort situation

[rare fractal]

I've been racking my brain to find some sort of fix so that this isn't a horrible idea but I simply can't without fundamentally betraying the spirit of the concept..and only partially fixing the issue...
Like the one and only thing I can come up with is making snipers only deal enough damage to kill humans...but then we still have randomly applied 60-70 dmg hits coming from nowhere...that's still massive

[rare fractal]

Mhm....or at least in game logic...irl shotguns have considerable range

Ranges that would render them snipers in most other games

[limber hull]

an irl shotgun at range may be strong, but we're forgetting these are several ton dinosaurs

buckshot still won't be enough

[rare fractal]

Well even then it'd be considerably strong....all I'm really saying with this is that I don't support realistic ranges

Or at least...realistic falloff

Because that would functionally take away range limits unless you're at the top of a mountain shooting down

[limber hull]

honestly, anky would become super viable for the preprepared armour if the guns ended up being like this lol

[rare fractal]

preprepared armor?

[limber hull]

anky just has armour inbuilt to itself, so it'd just not care about most types of bullets

i doubt armour piercing would really see much use in The Isle

[rare fractal]

Oh for sure, the term changes every time I hear it mentioned so I have to check lol

I swear if anky can even be damaged by bullets to any meaningful degree we're gonna have issues

[limber hull]

i demand anky be immune to most forms of damage in this game

raptor packs? haha nice try idiots. allo pack? yea keep going you'll do it eventually. giga? nice bleeder niche stupid.

the only two animals i think anky should fear are spino and rex

[urban flax]

Bullets should lose damage with distance

So the very concept of sniping someone from miles away, be it a lucky shot or some sweaty crackhead who hunts pixels, is eliminated

[rare fractal]

I was playing some omni in a vc with a few randoms a couple weeks ago, and we were just spitballing playable ideas and how balance should work...
They said something like "everything should theoretically be capable of taking anything down".
So I was like...well what about anky against some troodons or omnis....how should they even be able to take on a sentient boulder....

"I as an omni in a pack shouldn't be punished for simply trying to hunt an anky"

this community sometimes

[limber hull]

omni player

i believe fully that there needs to be some animals you need to cut your losses with

anky is one of them

anky should be designed first and foremost to simply be left alone

it's too slow to do anything to anyone, and too armoured for anyone to do anything to it

so just leave it alone lol

[rare fractal]

Anky should be the quintessential hunt denial creature...like it and the largest of sauropods are just animals no less than 95% of the roster should even consider

[limber hull]

anything with the niche of "bleeder" should immediately cross anky off the list of prey items

you aren't piercing it's skin

simply not happening

i dont even think gigas should be allowed to face off against anky

[rare fractal]

I really just wanna see a pack of allos accepting an anky as apart of the terrain and treating it like a rock

[limber hull]

exactly

[rare fractal]

If you aren't capable of shredding armor...you just shouldn't...giga is one of those shouldn'ts...

[limber hull]

i just want a chill dude who isn't constantly in kill mode because if it doesn't kill, it'll be attacked by literally everything

[rare fractal]

Like alberto is the absolute smallest thing I'd accept pressuring an anky...and with massive difficulty in large numbers

Spino or rex are the only real others

[limber hull]

i LIKE the idea of spino hunting anky, simply because it's the one thing I can really think spino can possibly hunt

everything else will either just outrun it or outsize it considerably

[rare fractal]

I don't know how tho....

Without it kinda just....

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-indominous-rex-fighting-strangling-gif-17280648

Which is just...well it's kinda lame to me

I'm not sure how that's supposed to work without it essentially being "whoever pressed lmb first wins"

[urban flax]

Spino flipping anky if anky is out of stamina ?

[rare fractal]

That's fine sure

Just not sure why the anky WOULD be out of stam

Unless spino is an armor breaker somehow

And a spino of all animals is NOT baiting

[urban flax]

So basically an anky who just decides to vibe has nothing to fear
If it's trying to fight back the spino (and failing at that) it gets punished

[zinc meadow]

maybe it's like a grapple/pounce where if you dont use stam (buck), you can be put in a vulnerable position

[rare fractal]

The game needs less of these kinds of interactions...especially when one of the actors in the engagement is functionally immobile, not more

Like the anky is basically just holding E till it lives or dies

[zinc meadow]

well for this case it's spoon v terrain hazard, so long as the anky points the business end at the spino it shouldn't need to worry about being grappled and bled

[rare fractal]

Bled? I'm not even sure how that's feasible

[zinc meadow]

big meaty claws, otherwise not much happens

I wouldn't put my fish eating face in the firing line of an anky

[urban flax]

Oh or maybe it could be made in a way that spino has an ability to tip over an anky, but that ability doesn't work if anky is in the middle of some animation, for example attacking
And a tipped over anky is vulnerable long enough for 2 or 3 attacks, not dead
So it becomes some sort of mind game

[rare fractal]

I really just prefer your first idea...where the anky takes quite a bit of stam attacking, so if it's over agro it's prone to getting killed

[zinc meadow]

I figure the animations we have for stun and knockdown will be used for said interactions

[rare fractal]

Otherwise it's just a rock

[urban flax]

I prefer it too, that just another thought

[rare fractal]

Makes parenting anky's VERY enticing targets

Wheras solo anky's...are more or less unbothered

[zinc meadow]

but yeah, anky should be the big "don't care, didn't ask" walk wherever you please sorta dino

not invulnerable, just extremely difficult if you don't know what you're doing

[rare fractal]

Or even if you do

[hallow marten]

Any further development of this game won't matter, unless more is done to keep cheating down.
Forget new dinos, map, or features that you all request.
If cheaters dominate servers the way they are right now, you won't be able to enjoy the game anyways.
Not meant as direct criticism of devs or spread negative vibes, but it IS a huge problem.
We **must **increase admin staff, and strengthen the game "code"? (as it's apparently really easy to circumvent the current one)
I very much appreciate that someone bothered to make this game, and I enjoy the whole survival concept.

But for this game to truly grow, it's less about bugfixing/dino additions or new maps and more
about keeping cheaters out - THEN we can focus on other things.

[trail mesa]

I have a bit more variety with the “snipers” but the intent is for them to be collectively much much rarer than the shotguns

As far as the balance of snipers in this game, I don’t really have the answers yet. But since we know we’re getting them I had to put some on the list

Dondi also said he wanted a gun or two that’s a last ditch “kill what you aim at” which again, idk about the balance but the list was more about making what’s desired and not based off my balance takes

Tried to minimize balancing in the list if that makes sense

[hollow vault]

Thoughts on my suggestion?

[scarlet ocean]

Only thing I can say is ✅ Didn’t even know dinos in isle blink, never seemed like it, soo, cool 👍

[hollow vault]

I remember seeing them blink sideways

Like a goddamn alien

[scarlet ocean]

Animals like alligators and owls blink sideways, but carnos aren’t alligators or owls

I’d like deino to blink sideways with the 2-3 eyelids that alligators have, but idk if it does blink normally already

[tall hearth]

@brave sonnet that doesnt happen in Evrima. What you're talking about happens in the legacy branch with the tail damage. Legacy branch isnt being supported anymore, so they wont "fix" the tail damage. Evrima will eventually become the main branch with the deletion of legacy.

The Evrima (beta) branch has reduced damage on tail hits.

[brave sonnet]

@tall hearth then why was i just on evirma as a full grown utah killed by 2 rams to the tail and 1 bite to the tail?

[tall hearth]

Desync, ram being strong. Idk.

[jagged jewel]

I think megalania and a large alberto group can be a threat to an anky

Megalania is minimal

[limber hull]

Megalania? No way

[jagged jewel]

But just because it's so low to the ground

It'd be more threatening than an allo, since it can reach the only weak area of anky

That's the only real reason

I feel like other large herbivores can be some threat to an anky, although an anky being an absolute tank will usually come out alive

Like a shant stomp will do some damage

@oblique creek I feel like because of dominion more people know of moros than rugops now

[oblique creek]

It's gotten some attention forsure lately but it's always been a pretty cryptic species

Would be pretty awesome to see a little feathered Tyrannosaurid too

[jagged jewel]

Same with rugops

[jagged jewel]

I don't think moros was feathered like in dominion

Nor was it that small

[oblique creek]

It was pretty tiny

[jagged jewel]

It was huge compared to the dominion version

[oblique creek]

It's only like 3 feet tall

[jagged jewel]

This is not 3 feet tall

[oblique creek]

Well I never said add the dominion version lol

[jagged jewel]

This is just a baby rex

[oblique creek]

Theisles own spin on it doesn't have to be

[jagged jewel]

What would you do with the design to make it not a baby rex?

[oblique creek]

What would you do with rugops to make it not a small Carno lol

[jagged jewel]

Nothing, I dislike it being in the roster too

[oblique creek]

Well then why not replace it with something cooler

[jagged jewel]

But If I had to choose between baby rex and a small agile carno i'd choose the small agile carno

[jagged jewel]

Because that something cooler would already exist in the form of baby rex

For rugops you could atleast somewhat argue that baby carno isn't agile

[oblique creek]

Everyone's got an opinion and that's alright but this is just mine

[jagged jewel]

And sucks at swimming

[jagged jewel]

Sure thing

[limber hull]

@royal copper I personally don’t think Troodon mimicry should be that simple, also, you haven’t accounted for how Troodon is probably not going to be able to mimic stuff like apex calls. Being locked to only mimicking one call sounds kinda lame to me tbh and makes the deceptive part of mimicry less effective

[royal copper]

Ok i guess

[limber hull]

Ideally, Troodon would be capable of remembering and mimicking several different calls it can choose from

Especially considering we’ve gotten confirmation that there is a limit to what animals troodon can mimic (it can’t mimic the massive roars of apex creatures, and has a size cutoff for when it can no longer recreate the sound)

[royal copper]

I Think it would be too op, but idk. I also will correct some stuff i said tomorrow,for me,the larger the creature he wanna mimic, the less perfection the mimic will be, yes he can mimic a rex, but the roar will be be very hight piched, giving a hint to the rex player that its not other rex that is making that noise. I also will say that he will have a all number keys(from 5 to 0) of mimic spaces

Actualy i will not correct, i will keep to myself, the devs dont do almost anythin that the general feedback says anyway

[jagged jewel]

Thoughts on my herrera pounce suggestion?

[compact flare]

Good suggestion but Duder from that one server I don’t like posted it so I’m gonna do something

[limber hull]

@rocky shoal you realise more than one dino will have the same letter of the alphabet right

Deino and dryo, for instance

[royal copper]

So, when u click in D, it will appear another "filter" showing the 2 dinos, like "D>Deino and Drio>Deino"

[rocky shoal]

Exactly

But, troo will also most likely not be able to mimic deino calls

[limber hull]

You guys also realise that all animals have different calls at different stages of growth too? A troodon may not be able to mimic an adult deino, but a juvi deino should be fine.

There’s also a planned roster of 55, so navigation would be nearly impossible with this system

[rocky shoal]

There could be different shortcuts

Or, holding 5 pulls up a menu

[royal copper]

Maybe you can search by typping

Im not so good at english so idk if i spelled it right

And they add 1 dino per year, until them, they can still use the method i said before

Or you can also select categories, and them type in, like "Filter>Big creature>flier" and them you type in(or search by scrolling) the name of the creature so will be like this
"Filter>Big creature>flier>quetzalcoatlus"

[hollow vault]

Thoughts on my suggestion?

[royal copper]

Its very good, Humans have too be a class that die easily, but a class with lots of abilitys and gadgets, so them, it can defend itself

[hollow vault]

I imagine tracking would be very useful to keep tabs on some of the wildlife

And would also be useful to make sure some of the more dangerous dinosaurs don’t end up in places they shouldn’t be

[proud coral]

Trail cams are definitely something that I'd love. Tracking could also be potentially neat, though I cannot think of a reason you'd want to track a dino 😮 Let alone alerting it by shooting it with a dart Still cool though c:

[sterile pivot]

Unless its a fat stego

I wonder how that will go, like will their guns/gadgets be like as weak as pteras? Because otherwise they could probably toast stegos and stuff in large numbers

[jagged jewel]

I HATE you, Pigeon from that one server!

[spring holly]

@queen ember - im also hoping apexes will end up being on officials, but will very extremely difficult to grow and keep. i want them to be a rare sight to behold. I loved the stress of apexes on Legacy Officials - they we're just too easy to grow and maintain. They should be a real prize and a testimony to the player's survival skills.

[queen ember]

Exactly. There’s no reason to not have them as long as they aren’t easy to obtain

[cyan flame]

As long as they are balanced. Otherwise we're probably better off without apexes, at least until the rest of the roster is balanced out.

[spring holly]

thing is its not about balance, it's about using your survival tools. apexes will most likely all be slow and will drain their running stamina fast so you just have to pay attention to your surroundings and stay out of their way - a bit like stego right now. remember this is a survival game, not a brawling game.

[cyan flame]

That is balance though. Balanced for survival.

But if they will be slower or have more stam drain or something, we don't know. So, better to just consider that they should be balanced, in some manner, so everything is viable.

But I doubt they'll be slower than stego, it's already a very slow playable.

[spring holly]

would only make sense if they are mainly slow - perhaps fast when running, but they cant run for long

i feel like apexes carnivores relying on ambush to kill makes sense. and will make them hard to maintain - as they are supposed to be, and will only be able to get kills from unsuspecting players

[cyan flame]

Depends on which one, I'd hope they all get to play slightly differently at least.

[spring holly]

or fight other apxes or steal meals

[cyan flame]

And I like the idea of endurance rex for that matter, rather than ambush rex. Giga might be better suited for an ambush playstyle plus follow up attrition with bleeding.

Or more so, not neccesarily ambushing, but using bursts of speed to get bleed in vs something larger and slower ,and then keeping that up.

[spring holly]

they will need to have factors to make them hard to maintain for sure, not matter what it is.

and to make them hard to maintain - they will need to have a hard time getting kills if the players are smart

or perhaps just needing a ridiculous amount of food - or hunger draining very fast

[cyan flame]

But considering how easy deino and stego are, for their power, I'd like for them to start there. Make those two properly difficult to grow and maintain, and it should be interesting.

[spring holly]

i know apex herbis should eat a lot of the foods around the map to maintain themselves

and make it hard to be around for that

limiting their adult numbers

[spring holly]

yes i agree!

I feel like these things will fall into place eventually. the game is just barebones still

the devs are still trying to build up these systems

[queen ember]

I just hope they don’t force apex’s out of officials because “they can’t be balanced” cause they can be it’s just how they wanna do it

[spring holly]

yah that would suck in my opinion. the fear of apexes are a part of the survival experience

and i would love to be like "holy cow! thats a good player! a real survivalist" when i see one of the rare apex adults

[cyan flame]

I doubt it, because there's no doubt they can balance things, if they want to. It's not as if the apexes has to be this strong, or the others this weak. They could nerf them somewhat, or buff the other large playables that would otherwise struggle.

[spring holly]

i feel - and i hope i'm right - that they will put the apexes in unnoficials at first to test things out, but once the apexes are more fleshed out, they'll add them to officials

because for sure the apexes will probably be badly balanced for a time, while they test things

they will basically use unofficials for their playtest grounds

[cyan flame]

That seems the reasonable approach yes.

That way they can make them really op, and if there's issues, well, "just play official, it's the designed experience".

Then they can adjust the rest of the roster, or the apexes, or both, so it will work on officials and then send them over.

[spring holly]

yep if you want everything to be as intended, you go on officials

which is what i want

unofficials will be unbalanced just by the fact that they can play around with settings

im not interested in that

and so unofficial servers make the perfect play testing ground for apexes until they are fleshed out

[cyan flame]

Only for every unofficial server to disable them because too op xD

[spring holly]

it's probably gonna be an unbalanced experience on unofficials, just diffently for each one xD

as soon as you don't set the game as intended, it will most likely break the balance

for example, disabling the humans removes all kills from distance. that's a big lack of balance right there that the game was designed for

[cyan flame]

To be fair, I don't think kills from a distance will be all that balanced, but maybe they can figure out a way to make it work.

But if humans end up being unbalanced because of guns, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[limber hull]

giga's concept art also better lends it as some kind of opportunist, considering it can smell blood in the air and travel towards it quickly, basically taking the weakened hunt and obliterating it. Def doesn't seem like endurance giga, and yea, it works better as an ambush predator that will proceed to track you down after the first bite

[spring holly]

im sure theY'll figure it out. the game was originally intended to be only human playables so without humans, it wouldnt make any sense

[cyan flame]

Oh I know, but them adding humans, and them balancing it, is not the same thing. Also without dino playables, balance matters less, because well, no players just die from "lightning", so less of a concern.

[tawdry oyster]

@queen ember I definitely see your concern, but I think that the decision on adding apexes is somewhat of a good idea, people want more dinos, bigger ones, and if they wanna keep the player count high they add apexes to unofficials to not screwup the roster

[spring holly]

yah i think thats their plan, at least until the apexes are fleshed out enough to be put in officials

[tawdry oyster]

Sure, officials will be less popular but it will draw more people to the game

[spring holly]

for how long though? apexes are probably gonna be very unbalanced for a time while they test things, and people will probably get frustrated

[tawdry oyster]

Well that’s the whole point of adding apexes to unofficials and not officials

[spring holly]

oh no im just saying some players may return to officials after awhile. they barely can stand stegos, imagine apexes while they're being fleshed out

and stegos are easy to deal with - you just walk away and dont stick around them if your hunger is getting too low - unless you have the numbers to defeat one which is a lot

[jagged jewel]

I don't know

The fact that rex has so much explosive damage potential, and giga is more built to bleed prey out just means that ambush is better for rex and endurance for giga

Rex's main goal when hunting is to kill prey as quickly as possible

[cyan flame]

Rex was endurance back in the day, worked despite also being the hardest hitting thing. And being able to kill quickly does not neccesarily conflict with being able to just follow a target until it can run no more and then kill it. Meanwhile, giga, in order to get in quickly and apply massive bleed and get out again, could work with a burst of speed, rather than biting once and then what, follow the bleeding prey that isn't going to run because that would only kill it faster.

[jagged jewel]

I don't think it's only the fact that rex does a lot of burst damage that makes endurance rex bad, but more so the fact its main ability used to hunt prey smaller than it is a pin, which would make sense for an ambushing playstyle. Stalk prey, quickly rush in to pin it and kill/cripple it.

For giga, I don't really think that it's going to be bite once and follow prey if it's endurance, I think it'd be more efficient if the giga kept coming in and out repeatedly, making the bleed more and more deadly, which, for an animal with low stamina, wouldn't really work that well

[cyan flame]

Which is why "speed burst" for giga makes sense, rather than endurance. While rex can still apply the pin after you've trotted the target down and it can't escape. Which would honestly be better anyway, pin and similar mechanics are, as we can already see, a bit iffy to say the least.

[lucid mauve]

Off, sounds boring. Both for the rex and they prey, spend tons of time running/chasing for nothing. And you cant even be in the same area, since you constantly need to worry about beeing trotted down. And to be honest, if a giga bites you unless your an apex yourself. You prob screwed up already.

[cyan flame]

Eh, to each their own I guess. I think it'd be fine, and yes, that'd be part of it, having to worry about the rex eventually getting you.

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but why make rex an endurance hunter? Why not ambush ?

I get that keeping one endurance and one ambush, to make them have diffrent playstyle etc. But rex for me would sounds more like a ambush who ends fight fast.

[gentle flint]

I don’t know what I’m hopping into but I don’t know if there’s anything about rex that really screams “ambush” with a huge body and loud af footsteps (at least I assume they’d be with all that weight)

[lucid mauve]

You wont be catching anything with rex if you come walking in, you need to spend time getting into a posision without beein seen. Its not gonna be easy

[jagged jewel]

You could say the same for giga

[cyan flame]

I explained it earlier, I think it fits better, and works (as it did way back) and it's more interesting overall, as well as more terrifying in a sense.

[jagged jewel]

Also irl rex footsteps weren't as loud as you'd think

[jagged jewel]

Both work well, the fitting and terrifying part are more subjective

[gentle flint]

I just don’t see rex crouching down in a bush and sitting there hoping they either weren’t already spotted or waiting until something passes personally is all, but of course I could always be wrong. It just seems.. strange.

I don’t know much about giga as I didn’t play legacy, for the record, so I can’t say for sure

[jagged jewel]

I don't mean ambush as in laying low in one spot and waiting for a long time for prey to get to them, I mean more of a burst of speed type predator

[lucid mauve]

You dont sit in a bush , you try sneak up on something. If you get spotted you wont get any meal. Just like lions do, they sneak up if they get spotted its over.

[jagged jewel]

Also we know in the upcoming map there's a lot of places where even a rex can hide itself well

Also, you don't need to play legacy to know giga is also huge

[gentle flint]

But are they an ambush hunter there? (Legit question)

[jagged jewel]

Giga can chase prey down at longer distances due to it's amazing trot

[cyan flame]

Either playable can "hide" about as well as each other I'd imagine. But getting in quick to get a burst of bleed to work with, vs hunting something down until it can't run anymore, well, I stand by that giga would suit better for the ability to move in quick bursts compared to rex, that can just grab you and when you're grabbed, it's all over anyway.

[jagged jewel]

compared to rex, that can just grab you and when you're grabbed, it's all over anyway.

...So it doesn't even need that much stamina, it just needs to get to you as quick as possible, as I suggested

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but getting into a posision where you can grab is not gonna be easy. And if the rex fails the grab, he also get a second chance to trot u down ?

[cyan flame]

Entirely missing my point I think. Rex doesn't need to get in for a quick hit, if it gets to you, you die. So you can therefor work with "trotting" something down until it can't move and then grab it. As opposed to giga that would want to get in, deal bleed, and then get distance again.

Which also, due to how bleed works, makes a "trotting after target" giga kind of... pointless. If you get hit by giga bleed, the last thing you want to do is move and make it worse, most likely at least.

[jagged jewel]

I get your point, but I don't see how, if rex can kill something so quickly anyway, why is trotting prey down slowly preferrable over getting to them as quickly as possible to just finish the job?

[jagged jewel]

If you get hit by giga bleed, the last thing you want to do is move and make it worse

That's exactly why giga wants to trot prey down. To make the bleed worse lol

Either prey stands its ground and gets bitten more, or tries to run away to bleed more

[cyan flame]

Because if it makes more sense for giga to do the burst attack for bleed, then we can do something different for rex. And because I just like the idea of terminator rex that just, doesn't ever stop coming after you unless you can make it (in some cases), or you manages to truly break line of sight/scent/so on.

[cyan flame]

... But it won't be trotting anything because nothing will run away after getting hit.

[lucid mauve]

Not only that, but if rex is the endurance hunter, he can prob chase down all apexes ? So he would be the weakest of all apexes? For balance that is.

[cyan flame]

No, not "either", because running is unlikely to be a viable option.

[jagged jewel]

Are you implying giga has high enough damage to one shot prey that can't directly fight it?

[cyan flame]

And if it stands its ground, that'd when you'd need quick movement to get a new attack in and keep the bleed, and also get out again instead of getting stuck and fighting.

[lucid mauve]

No , but you wont have much time until your dead.

[jagged jewel]

So if, say, a para gets bit once, it won't run away after getting it???

[cyan flame]

Why. You can keep the massive strength, because you can break line/scent, and get away. You just have to do so, which is the trick of course, and do so in a non predictable manner unless the rex will find you again.

[lucid mauve]

If you get bitten by a giga, you already screwed up ?

[jagged jewel]

Sure but you wouldn't try to fight the thing you can't fight

[cyan flame]

Like how it goes in legacy? :p

[jagged jewel]

No, I'm asking you what you meant by this

[lucid mauve]

No, if im para i would run if i see an apex approach . If i dont see it, the giga deserve my body lol

[cyan flame]

And I know, no good comparing legacy, but a giga in legacy that lands bleed isn't really trotting you. It's when it's not yet landed a blow that it follows you forever. Which would work with rex in this case.

[jagged jewel]

So you'd give up after getting bit once

[lucid mauve]

No, i would still run. But prob for nothing

[jagged jewel]

Yeah

[cyan flame]

I told you. If you get hit, you will just bleed out even more if you run, so no. I don't see a target that can fight back run away. And I don't see giga going after things that can run away very well, since they can well, run away in the first place.

Think of it this way. Giga punches up, rex punches down, sort of.

[jagged jewel]

And you think that the animal that preys on much weaker animals needs to be an endurance hunter?

Like, rex's prey will already have more stamina than it by default usually

Galli, para, maia, teno for example

I don't see how making rex an endurance hunter will help much, without giving it an ungodly amount of stamina

[lucid mauve]

Same sounds awfull , and that i would need to run/walk constantly for 10 min cus i saw a rex incase it follows me as another apex. Off, sounds better to keep it like legacy where giga could choose if it wanted the fight or dont care.

[cyan flame]

Not sure how the strength neccesarily relates to the idea of rex trotting them down and forcing them to keep moving or inevitably die. Also para is a good example, maia maybe. Galli/teno? Probably too small to bother with honestly, not sure why you'd count them.

[cyan flame]

As opposed to having giga do the same to you? Because thats what gigas do in legacy to everything else but rex. Not sure why it'd be worse if rex does it than another playable.

[lucid mauve]

Yea it could, but i think the only time it happend was when i played sucho. It could possible do it to me as allo, but that would be 20 min hunt for the giga.

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure it could do that to more than those two. Point still stands. And if you trade giga for rex, you have the idea. So why is it worse if rex does it than giga?

Since you seem to take such issue with rex doing the same thing another, equal sized playable currently does in legacy, and rex did in prog for that matter.

[jagged jewel]

Just giving examples

Generally most dinos smaller than rex can run faster and longer than it

[lucid mauve]

I do get your point, but i dont see why this would make it better. Then keeping it like legacy in terms of speed/power. Your sorta swapping it. But keeping the faster dino also better in power.

[cyan flame]

Wait what? Isn't ambush plus power what you want? Wouldnt that be the faster + better in power?

[jagged jewel]

Dinos who punch up also normally need more effort to get their kills, and thus more time, and thus more stamina

[lucid mauve]

No i mean if rex was endurance hunter in legacy, giga would run every time it saw a rex. Unless your saying that rex is weakest of them, cus giga did not want a fight head on with a rex.

[cyan flame]

Giga runs in either case?

I'm not sure I see where the difference would be there?

[lucid mauve]

No, if i saw a rex as giga. I didnt care, cus it would never catch me.

[cyan flame]

You'd have to move, sure, it won't ever catch you, as long as you move.

[lucid mauve]

Yea move, but i could still be in the same area. Now i would need to run

[cyan flame]

I guess if you want to just move in circles. But I don't see how it would be bad if you had to run. Doesn't that fit with the idea that if a rex shows up, you just need to stay away? :p

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but not run for 10 min straight lol. Like you had with sucho if you met a giga.

I had no problem with rexes if i played giga, and saw them. The "catch" range was easy to know.

[cyan flame]

Why not? Wouldn't that also fit with a rex? It is the be all/end all power-wise, aside from maybe trike (unless we count sauropods as well I guess, but well, it's a sauropods, what's it gonna do, slowly walk towards you xD).

[cyan flame]

Isn't that a bad thing? They're not a threat to you... xD

[lucid mauve]

Well yea, but i dont see why it would be more fun or better gameplay wise. Then like it was.

[lucid mauve]

Yea, sorta. You still had to respect the rex : P

And its no use to be there, if you do kill something. The rex will prob take it : P

[cyan flame]

True, but you kind of get the idea. And sure, either way works. It does come down to a bit what we prefer.

Depends, you can always harass it xD

[lucid mauve]

Yea true, i do get the point. Aslong as they make them have diffrent playstyles etc : P

[brave sonnet]

maybe an admin can answer why my feed back about everyone picking deinos to the point the server feels empty even why its at 100/100. personally i feel like thats valid feed back that doesnt break any set rules. its frustrating and annoying not seeing another dino for 2-3 in game days but seeing 10-15 crocs just for 1 small section of the map. Also why is feed back being removed with no notification?

[icy lion]

Sorry, I got caught up in something and completely forgot to notify you! I removed your post as you gave out other players' locations, which we don't allow. A more detailed explanation is pinned in our server channels ( #evrima-eu, #evrima-na, etc.).
Again, I'm sorry I forgot to notify you about taking down your post. That was the only reason it was removed, the content was otherwise perfectly acceptable

[brave sonnet]

@icy lion i didnt realize giving location was bad my apologies i will wait for slowmode to end then i will repost but leave that out

[proud coral]

For the Troodon Mimicry suggestion, I think they already said there'd be limits to prevent things like imitating an adult Rex.

It kinda concerns me how many people I've seen support letting it imitate anything 😛

[rare fractal]

I really hope it’s mimicry is imperfect

So that if you’re really paying attention you can sorta tell

Even the imagery of a Troodon mimicking a Tenonto 1 call sounds absolutely hilarious

Not necessarily in a good way

[thorny lynx]

Sure, let it imitate a hypo.

[proud coral]

I remember Punch saying you'd have to basically be right by it to tell 😛

[hollow vault]

Thoughts on my suggestion?

[hollow vault]

Most likely to keep watch on it

Who knows when a rex will come out of nowhere and attack a base

Being able to track a dinosaur can give people a heads up

[limber hull]

well actually, most dinos WILL be trackable according to devs. All dinos will be pre-installed with a tracking chip, except those nested

if you're born by nest, you'd get the benefit of being off the human's radars

[hollow vault]

Oh cool

[proud coral]

Another cool thing about it was that it was mentioned to be audible when you're tracking something (think Aliens motion tracker) as well as just saying that something is there. That's it.

That little ping up ahead could be a Dryo. Could be a T.Rex. It's a thing and that's all you know.

[sterile pivot]

Thats going to be epic honestly, if we ever get to that point in development

Reminds me of that one dino multiplayer game but the dinos are ais I forget what its called.

@thorny lynx . Sorry I know you posted in #phase-three-requests about sandbox, just to let you know, the best thing we currently have to sandbox is going on freeadmin servers and getting admin perms. I would highly recommend if you want to practice pvp and such. I agree tho, sandbox would be great

[limber hull]

@latent olive that was fast

did you even read it my guy :P

[latent olive]

i saw vitamins, fourth nutrient, tied to AI

instant

[limber hull]

yea

i was thinking about it

juvis need to grow, but AI is too easy to farm off for life, there needs to be a middle ground

that permits both

[latent olive]

ive always wanted organs to be nutritional items more than food items anyway

[limber hull]

same

[latent olive]

plus the vitamins add more growth boosts

so would a true perfect diet, at +50%, get another growth boost with 3 vitamins at 60%?

or do the vitamins take up a nutrient slot

[limber hull]

take up a slot, they aren't ideal