general-feedback-discussion

[burnt bone]

If it takes 31 people to do that, when it could have easily been done by 1 hypsi getting bit and put in the Rex’s mouth, making it unable to bite.

[proud coral]

I don't consider stuff like using a very easy to get rid of spit griefing is all.

[rancid raptor]

"somehow actually hit you" with all due respect, it's not hard to hit a moving target with that blind.

now multiply that with 30

[proud coral]

Tap E

[daring talon]

the other trex could also get the first bite first anyways, by, for example, pressing 1 earlier then the other guy, getting an ambush in the incredibly easy to hide in jungles, or just getting lucky

the situation has become in the other rexes favor by .00001%

[rare fractal]

.5 x 30 = 15, ptera does 15 damage, the rest is history

[sage yew]

what is currently missing in this game, that every species existst on the same level currently. While critters like hipsis or juvis should exist in their own realm, that exists parallel to the "big realm".

[rancid raptor]

tap E, 30 times? wait, no, hypsies can spit 3 times.

tap E, what, somewhere around 60 times - IF they miss alot and you're lucky?

[daring talon]

• they cant all hit you at once, if they try you will kill like 4 or 5 with 1 m1 press

• they will hit eachother

[rancid raptor]

what 💀

[rare fractal]

That too, those DPS calcs are dependent on them all landing consistent hits in unison and you not doing anything about it

[daring talon]

what 💀

[proud coral]

If you seriously cannot deal with Hypsis spitting at you by either

• Killing them
• Trampling them
• Moving elsewhere where they cannot hit you as easily

I'd say that's on you.

[daring talon]

i can do it too

[rare fractal]

Or convert them to you cause and blind the world

[daring talon]

whereas a single ptera can do that by pressing m1 once

[rancid raptor]

if hypsies manage to get trampled at you when they're faster than you, more maneuverable than you - and have no intention to get close enough for that... that's their fault, not yours.

[sage yew]

I don't get the current concern ...so are 50 hypsis a good or a bad thing?

[burnt bone]

Or you could just, log out for like 5 mins then come back.

[rare fractal]

Whilst in flight, safe from danger

[proud coral]

^ That too.

[daring talon]

if they are dodging they are doing even less damage

like .5 per 5 seconds or something

[rancid raptor]

not bite. i'm talking blind

[daring talon]

yes, but you see 30 hypsis would be op

because uh yeah they just would be

[rancid raptor]

then 30 hypsies caused a player to log out.

See, that's already a huge change.

and you wont log out bc they wont let you lay down lol

[proud coral]

So then either go into some dense forest where it's hard for em to aim or just.....log off. It's not like they'd kill you while you log. A group that large and that coordinated would be unlikely, like you said before. So just log off and do something else for a bit, then come back.

[rare fractal]

The current standing seems to be everyone aside from Omni thinking it’s fine to uncap the limit for them because hypsi is such an irrelevant animal in the meta…

[rancid raptor]

a dense forest where it's harder for you to deal with them....?

[daring talon]

just bite them

[proud coral]

I mean you already said that they wouldn't be close enough to bite or trample them, so is there much of a difference?

If it's a dense forest, they're gonna have a harder time seeing ya with aiming.

[rancid raptor]

They have potential to land every single shot on you.

You don't have potential to land any shot at all, if they play correctly.

That's the difference. They outspeed and outmaneuver you. @proud coral acknowledge this

[rancid raptor]

they still have potential to land shots on you, where as you don't

[proud coral]

So then do what I said

[burnt bone]

You realize that it would only require like 4 to spam blind something to log out like that? Or just 1 persistent ptera.

[daring talon]

Most of us want it, because hypsi is a useless little animal, and it would be nice to actually do something fun with them (Giant group)
omni doesnt want it because, well, idk read the chat

[sage yew]

the only problem I see here, is that the only way to spend time as a hipsy is to annoy people, so 30+ of them would be a nightmare, but in general I don't see an issue here

[daring talon]

see - turning your head

[rancid raptor]

oh really? Only 4?

NOW IMAGINE 30

[rancid raptor]

@proud coral

[daring talon]

30 can do it just as well as 4, 4 can do it just as well as 30

[rancid raptor]

I'm glad me and rapdex agree

[proud coral]

No need to ping me, right here.

[daring talon]

these are equal
there is no difference

your arguement is invalid, pls give new

[rancid raptor]

absolutely not. what

[daring talon]

you are not being agreed with

[rancid raptor]

30 hypsie players can do as much damage as 4?

[daring talon]

you are being disproven

[rancid raptor]

what

how

[rare fractal]

Mhm, the only problem is that the group limit doesn’t at all effect how many hypsi’s are able to play together, just how many are able to be seen via nametags….which if that’s the case just use discord…which the players would be doing anyway even if the cap didn’t exist….

TLDR: This topic is dumb lol

[daring talon]

we already talked about 1 ptera being 10000x better then 30 hypsis at damage

barf is invalid

[rancid raptor]

how many of you agree that 30 hypsies are as damageful as 4 hypsies?

[proud coral]

REALLY making something out of nothing it seems.

[daring talon]

damage is invalid

removing stam is invalid

[rancid raptor]

blind is not invalid

[daring talon]

why shouldnt hypsi get to group with however many other hypsis they find, do tell

[rancid raptor]

attracting attention is not invalid

occupying a player from what they intended to do originally is not invalid

[rare fractal]

It’s like arguing over buffing omnis bite damage by .05

[daring talon]

you would respond to the attention the same way

[rancid raptor]

No, you're overexaggarating

[daring talon]

lets say you are a pachy

30 hypsis attract a carno

[rare fractal]

No, that’s just my genuine assessment

[burnt bone]

So, literally no difference? Except the chance is so much smaller. Like, any issue that could be caused by 30 hypsis can be caused by 4, but nowhere near what 30 people could do in general.

[rancid raptor]

4 vs 30 you would respond the same? can you not use your imagination and imagine what 30 1calls sound like dude?

[daring talon]

cool, respond to the carno the EXACT SAME WAY YOU WOULD IF THERE WERE NO HYPSIS

[daring talon]

the attention of what they called over

and I cant read you say

[rancid raptor]

30 hypsies have way more potential to cause problems than 4. same way 2 hypsies have more potential to cause problems than 1

[sage yew]

but seeing it that way, it would be an argument to get rid of caps in general. I don't think this argument of bypassing it is this valid

[daring talon]

yes

the arguement for no hypsi cap is - it literally doesnt hurt anyone, why not make the rat more fun

[rancid raptor]

they're arguing for removing caps when it comes to small dinos like dryo or hypsie

[daring talon]

the arguement for say, no utah cap is nonexistent, as that would actually yknow, cause a problem

[sage yew]

because the rat has currently no gameplay loop

[daring talon]

yes

[sage yew]

"currently"

[rare fractal]

Oh well I’m not supportive of ridding group caps from the game at all….that’s why I’m focusing on hypsi, it’s one I absolutely am i support of removing the cap for, the same wouldn’t apply to anything else in the game aside from dryo and ptera

[rancid raptor]

the devs will never remove the player cap anyways lol, for anything.

I'm just talking about this because I need y'all to understand how disagreeable it is

[proud coral]

May I ask how you know that for sure?

[daring talon]

and in the future, other tiny stuff like perhaps, beipi, velo, troodon if venom isnt too crazy

[rancid raptor]

I have made many assumptions on the game, and I assure you all of em will come true

for example that clear waters will be very rare in gateway, there will be little of them

[daring talon]

you know what they say....

[proud coral]

An assumption is still an assumption. Doesn't answer my question.

[daring talon]

dont assume things, it makes an a*s out of u and me

[proud coral]

[rancid raptor]

I don't need to answer your question, I say that I just know

[rancid raptor]

don't bypass the filter mane

[burnt bone]

It’s more like a logarithmic curve. So 2 hypsis are much stronger than 1, but the 10 hypsis are not much different than 11. Mainly because the main issues can be caused by only a few. Spam blind only needs like 4 hypsis, spam call only needs like 2-3. So anything more than like 6 is just overkill.

[proud coral]

That's effectively that Source: "Dude, trust me" meme. No real indicator that it couldn't be removed so 🤷

[rancid raptor]

30 vs 4 is a huge difference. either way.

[rancid raptor]

logic is the indicator, and i'm the indicator

[proud coral]

Based on what?

[sage yew]

being able to see names of others, is a strong tool

[rancid raptor]

Wait and see, my friend. I will be right I'm telling you, about everything

[daring talon]

more then 6 is just letting the group of more then 6 useless dirt beasts have more fun

it doesnt make anyone elses day worse

[rancid raptor]

i've been saying that without saying it

[proud coral]

That sounds a bit arrogant

[rancid raptor]

That sounds a bit personal of you

[feral solstice]

The chances of anything you’ve just said coming true is incredibly slim based off the fact they’re assumptions lol

[proud coral]

Just saying it's a bit odd to act so confident about stuff with no real evidence is all 🤷 Like maybe they will, maybe they won't, but why act that way

[rancid raptor]

That's factually incorrect, actually.
Depending on what the assumption is, the chances of the assumption coming true is not "incredibly slim" in every case.
Depends on the assumption, the context and the topic.

You can say mine seems to have a "slim" chance, in your opinion, not objectively, but I say it is going to become truth soon

[sage yew]

what

[rancid raptor]

and when it does i'm going to tag everyone that denied it

anually

[proud coral]

Okay but why should we believe you though? Genuinely asking. If you were a developer, sure.

[rancid raptor]

I'm not saying believe me, I'm saying I'm right. ik it's going to happen

[proud coral]

[cyan flame]

I'd argue it's useful, but not half as useful as people might think, if you know how to coordinate and play and all.

[rancid raptor]

How useful "do people think" it is?

[sage yew]

ssssh, he's a dev in disguise

[daring talon]

I am not wrong because i am right

[feral solstice]

Blah blah blah. Don’t care. It’s still a slim chance to come true. Lol

[rancid raptor]

See you're changing my words again, that aint what i said

[daring talon]

That only works with religions friend

[rancid raptor]

Slim chance according to.. what?

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-head-james-dutton-tim-mcgraw-1883-smh-gif-24993082

[rancid raptor]

slim chance in your opinion or slim chance oobjectively?

[cyan flame]

I don't know, but I would imagine people might think it's quite useful.

[feral solstice]

My common sense

[daring talon]

your word is not truth because you say it is

[rancid raptor]

according to?

[feral solstice]

After all, I’m right and you’re wrong

[rancid raptor]

Lol

[daring talon]

that was on the "Im not wrong because i am right"

[rancid raptor]

Should there be a new powerful land dino, or should stego get nerfed?

[cyan flame]

Neither.

[sage yew]

it gives a huge amount of information
terrain, height elevation, dangers, proximity to others, numbers around you and more

this shouldn't be taken too easy
but a well planed strategy, using 3rd party tools for communication has a massive impact as well

[rancid raptor]

ok well option 1 is going to happen soon, confirmed by devs already, so don't you think the devs know what they're doing?

[proud coral]

I'd rather Kentro come in and replace Stego for the time being. Give Stego the Trike/Rex treatment.

[daring talon]

only on community servers for 1

and for 2, game developers are also human beings, we can all make mistakes

[rancid raptor]

combine both and you have very good coordination

[rancid raptor]

officials might become pretty unpopulated

for a while

[sage yew]

hm, has anyone looked into hipsys natural habitat?
would hipsy actually form such big groups? This would be more important

[proud coral]

Hey, if it attracts all the players who wanna be the biggest baddest thing available, I'm all for it

[cyan flame]

Only if you're sufficiently far away from each other, which I'm not sure you should be in the first place. On top of that, I'm not sure how it tells dangers? Proximity and numbers, sure, but if you're within sight, you have that already. Same with the others. But I'll clarify, it's not very useful if you're all together, it can be more useful if you're so far away you can't see each other reliably (and it can be useful to hunt someone down when you have betrayed them and they try to escape, since you get a perfect fix on them, which is very useful for that specific interaction).

[rancid raptor]

it would mostly attract people who want to play in the same server as it

[daring talon]

i mean tbf they want to make it build hives like some kind of insect
like giant communal tree nests

[rancid raptor]

Lol

[daring talon]

sounds like it should be making massive groups for that, if you wanna go into realism

[rancid raptor]

I wonder how that would look

[daring talon]

me personally i dont find realism as the strongest arguement here, with stuff like spino existing

[rancid raptor]

realism is a large part of the isle

[sage yew]

it basically works like a radar and it tells you a lot about your surroundings by observing how those flying names behave

[daring talon]

no

[rancid raptor]

yep

[proud coral]

I know tree nests was something they wanted to do, but the whole mega hive thing was just a community suggestion I believe 😮

[daring talon]

it looks pretty, it is not realistic

carno should break its neck when it charges

[proud coral]

Stego gallop

[daring talon]

stego gallops

[feral solstice]

Stego wallow

[daring talon]

was about to say that

hypsi the barf rat

[feral solstice]

Omni pounce 💀

[rancid raptor]

why don't devs allow you to have a pink trex? you will now say "Oh bc it looks weird" well why does it look weird? Because it aint realistic

[cyan flame]

On unofficials, precisely because it'll cause massive balance issues and upset most likely. So option 1 is a "well yes but no", since they won't be on officials. And I do trust the devs, or the balance team, to find a way to make stego survive in proximity with trike and rex (or keep stego and trike separated via biomes, but that wouldn't fix the rex issue, so stego will hopefully be buffed to handle that). Deino would be fine, since it still is untouchable in it's domain, but it might struggle more because it's not going up against trike or rex, unless it also gets decently buffed. (but it'll be fun to see how the deino mains will handle it if they can't touch a trike or rex, considering how angry they are about stego having the advantage in a 1v1.)

[daring talon]

troodon isnt even a real animal

[daring talon]

maybe i can make a pink trex eventually

[rancid raptor]

No, you will not

[daring talon]

just not now.
you
dont
know

[cyan flame]

Not sure I can agree there, but I suppose it's possible if the group is coordinated enough that they do react in certain ways for certain reasons only. Like how you can use calls properly, but most just... call :p

[feral solstice]

Who knows. It might become a thing later on for unofficials

[rancid raptor]

I do know that it won't happen in official servers, ever

[daring talon]

how do you know? let me guess, because you are right?

[sage yew]

no you don't.

[cyan flame]

But I would argue that if you have such a coordinated group, you probably don't need the nametags anyway.

[rancid raptor]

You will never have trexes with even a pink PIXEL on them, in official servers

unless there is a halloween event or something whatever

[proud coral]

I mean pink was a detail coloring for males in the past, could bring that back potentially. Looked real nice. c:

[rancid raptor]

No.

[daring talon]

ok but maybe i will get to

[proud coral]

No reason it can't be a possibility. I remember it looking great on Galli.

[daring talon]

or its a male coloring option.
you dont know

[rancid raptor]

it's a large bonus doe

[daring talon]

not till it comes out.

[rancid raptor]

it won't come out, and i do know

[feral solstice]

No you don’t

[daring talon]

how do you know

[sage yew]

I've already used it many times, especially as raptors and it works great even with randoms. You only have to observe for certain patterns

[rancid raptor]

I do, rickardo

[proud coral]

You don't. None of us do.

[cyan flame]

Well, we can't be absolutely certain, because at the end devs can and do change their minds. But I doubt we'll get pink, or at least not any bright pink :p

[daring talon]

wait i know.
because you are right?

[rancid raptor]

I've already told you 20 times I do

Genuinely 20 times

[proud coral]

And you can say it all you want, doesn't actually mean anything.

[cyan flame]

Guess you've found the few random omnis that knows how to be raptors then. Can't say it's ever been useful for me, and it still seems like it'd require a good deal from the group to make it useful like that.

[feral solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[daring talon]

HOW do you know

I can say i am a bird all i want, it does not make me a bird

[rancid raptor]

It doesn't mean anything? Doesn't my sentence have meaning to it? Not a single definition, not a single form of implying? Can you rethink your choice of words here, because it certainly does mean something.

[feral solstice]

He’s got a secret dataminer somehow

[rancid raptor]

It's called a brain, imo

[sage yew]

actually, using it for an albino theme, wouldn't be that bad
I'm totally for depended color variation, that some colors are only possible in some combinations.

[rancid raptor]

I come home from training muay thai, go to the isle chat and have a good time.

[feral solstice]

[proud coral]

You're not a developer of the game. So you saying that you know what will or won't happen for the game doesn't really mean anything.

That'd be like if I said "oh yeah ptera diving will NEVER happen because I know". Has zero meaning because I don't work on the game

[barren zephyr]

But that's due to raw damage not blood loss

[cyan flame]

That could be interesting yes. I was more so thinking very dark versions of the color, but if you had a color that kind of "turned" pink if layered on another color, you could maybe do something like that for albinos?

[daring talon]

He knows because he has a brain

I give you - Omniraptor main

[rancid raptor]

Do you know what zero meaning means? If you say "apple"; and I say "that doesn't mean anything", what am I saying Docktor?

i'm saying "apple" doesn't have a definition nor a meaning, nor a norm nor a nothing - which is invalid

[cyan flame]

Shouldn't your brain tell you that you can not, 100% know something unless it is a given fact. Which these things aren't, because well, we don't have absolute facts that x will never happen, or will happen for that matter.

[daring talon]

you are saying you know. That does not mean you know, as you have NO PROOF that you know.

[rancid raptor]

Magpies have been observed to be among the smartest creatures on the planet, possibly due to their brain-to-body ratio size - similar to that of humans

[daring talon]

we are not talking about the definitions of words, we are talking about evidence and truth outside of launguage

oh my god he thinks hes a bird

[rancid raptor]

Who said I don't have proof that Iknow

[proud coral]

I believe you're taking what I'm saying way too literally. All I'm saying is you don't work on the game, so just because you said you "know" something is or isn't gonna happen in the game doesn't mean anything. As an opinion, sure. But you treat it like it's a fact which is.....odd.

[feral solstice]

Give me your proof

[cyan flame]

The only ones that can truly know are the devs and whoever they may have told. And even then they can change their minds after all, so if they say "this will never happen" it can still happen if they decide that "you know what, let's make it happen anyway".

[daring talon]

you havent stated any proof, please do so

and we will dissuade our opinions immediately

[rancid raptor]

That's a very, very offensive sentence. considering what generation we're surrounded by

[proud coral]

Roadmap:

[rancid raptor]

You can't deny that I'm a bird.

[daring talon]

you think you are a bird. You are not a bird

[rancid raptor]

You can't say that

[daring talon]

yes i can, birds cannot use keyboards

[rancid raptor]

What if I identify as a bird, what are you going to do?

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[daring talon]

tell you you are not a bird

[cyan flame]

Does it matter if he's a bird or not, that doesn't suddenly make his claim any more accurate? :p

[sage yew]

just throwing it into the mix of arguments
I would assume that roadmaps, promises or concept arts are really accurate, at all

[cyan flame]

He can't know if x will happen in the game unless he's a dev and even then, people can and do change their minds, so there's no real guarantee.

[rancid raptor]

Jokes aside, isn't stego very uncontestable atm?

[rancid raptor]

you can't factually know that

[daring talon]

yeah and im fsh i gotta fall for that hook line and sinker

[rancid raptor]

that's really offensive

[cyan flame]

Do we really have to do this again? Oh well, since you asked, no, it's not. It's more killable/contestable for sure than the other large critter, to a greater amount of the roster, for a longer period of time.

[rancid raptor]

Which other large critter

[cyan flame]

Why not, what facts support that you can know better, much less that you do?

[rancid raptor]

You know, I think punch should create surveys for people to fill out
that way we can find out how many have too much trouble killing stegos, compared to their hours(experience). if it exceeds 50%, then we know there is a problem

[daring talon]

how is me telling you you are not a bird offensive

[cyan flame]

Since you're so proud of your logic and reason, I'll not insult you by telling you the obvious answer.

Instead, I'll let you figure things out on your own, which I'm sure you're very capable of.

[rancid raptor]

I never said I was proud

[cyan flame]

One would think you are, since you reference it so often and much, what with the whole "I know" and acting as if whatever you state is a given and can not be different. But perhaps you don't consider it a positive, in which case that's fair enough.

[daring talon]

yes

[cyan flame]

Considering the general capability of players, I think that'd be a terrible idea, and would not tell us much at all.

Also you'd have no guarantee they'd be telling you the truth of their experience and success for that matter, unless you have some method to find that out.

[rancid raptor]

My logic sometimes is too much for me to handle, I know these things will come true. For example my assumption on clear waters

Erik you know very well that I will @ you as soon as that assumption comes to light, being true

[cyan flame]

So the answers would be, well, unreliable.

[haughty folio]

what in tarnation is going on here

[rancid raptor]

I hope you don't delete the statements that tried to deny that one assumption

[cyan flame]

So you've told me. And I know that you're wrong because I've seen screenshots of the water on Gateway, and it is indeed quite clear.

[daring talon]

he is correct because he is correct

[rancid raptor]

so do you disregard every statistic because of that possibility?

[daring talon]

you better believe him like hes the second coming of christ

[daring talon]

what statistics, please show me

[rancid raptor]

my assumption is that clear waters will be very rare in gateway.

[cyan flame]

I would much rather look at the facts, the stats, and so on, and use logic, like you're so fond of, to figure out how it actually is.

[sage yew]

Don Quixote. basically

[rancid raptor]

generally, statistics. any statistic

[daring talon]

show
me

[rancid raptor]

no i'm saying he is disregarding every statistic with the logic "people could just lie anyways"

[daring talon]

give me the information.
Prove yourself right.
Until then, I will assume you are wrong, as that is the more likely outcome

[rancid raptor]

do u understand, there is nothing to show

[cyan flame]

Well, there are a good few rivers I believe, but that one highlands lake is both large, and pretty clear in the water, so it's a good start. And the smaller pond seemed quite clear too from what I can recall.

[daring talon]

you cannot simply say you Have information
then not give it.

[daring talon]

THEN YOU DONT HAVE ANY STATISTICS

[haughty folio]

I'd contest that claim but the last time I saw it it was unplayably dark for 30-40 minutes at a time

[rancid raptor]

You'll see Erik

[rancid raptor]

I do

[cyan flame]

You keep saying that. Meanwhile, I've watched people play the map, so I've already seen things.

[daring talon]

you just said there is nothing t show

so where is it. Show.

[rancid raptor]

I've watched people play the map more than you

[daring talon]

unless there isnt anything

[daring talon]

HOW DO YOU KNOW

[rancid raptor]

I didn't

[sage yew]

oh boy :D

[rancid raptor]

I did nvm

[daring talon]

ok im leaking grey matter this guy is gonna make me need a mental ward and assisted care for the rest of my life

[feral wedge]

I think that's enough

[daring talon]

im leaving

[cyan flame]

That is possible I suppose, but considering you are so sure that there is little to no clear water, I would doubt that. But maybe those people just didn't visit the lakes and ponds much.

[haughty folio]

literally right here but go off I guess

[rancid raptor]

• I'm tired, it's midnight

[feral wedge]

I'll leave an open reminder here to keep conversation civil and appropriate for the channel.

[cyan flame]

@rancid raptorI would like a clarification, when you say there'll be very little clear water, how do you define "very little", a percentage compared to the total amout of drinkable water, or how would you like to judge the amount of clear water, so we can have a reference point for how it does turn out?

[rancid raptor]

Not even sure I can answer that atm, as I don't know if it'll end up going against okxul's word

he said stop with the topic pretty much

[feral wedge]

A good call.

[sage yew]

xD

[scarlet ocean]

I admire the tolerance of some mods/devs, praise 💀, even if I think some ppl would be perma muted

[sage yew]

you can already do it for yourself and watch the world burn around you in perfect silence, that's what people call peace, I assume

[scarlet ocean]

I’ve been here since the start of the discussion, and I think I’ve went through like 10 stages of both grief, anger and literal depression

[scarlet ocean]

Apparently yeah 💀

[feral wedge]

Ending the ongoing issue doesn't mean to make sideways remarks about it in post.

[sage yew]

sssssssh, it's fine

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah, aware, but most people who are just group chat dwellers normally appear only after the rain sadly

[sage yew]

like anyone would like to decipher this mess... suggested once to increase the posting timer, sadly it got dismissed

[nocturne spruce]

i like the komodo dragon suggestion

idk how the developpers would manage too make it not look bad thou, like funky

[daring talon]

well it looks funky in real life too so

idk make it look funky sounds like a good thing

[rare fractal]

Physics defying…ideally not…funky, sure

[daring talon]

Generally a creature slamming into a tree to swallow something is gonna look goofy

tis simply how it be

[limber hull]

thank you johnny nucleus

[graceful stone]

I tip my hat to you good sir! I offer you my reddit silver!

[rustic ice]

hi, genuine question. Does someone know anything about anti-cheat progress? if there's any

I'm seeing this problem getting bigger and bigger on Evrima

[somber elm]

Anti cheat doesn’t seem to work very well

[lunar fulcrum]

They're literally all over the internet.

https://www.google.com/search?q=evrima+cheats&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA848CA848&oq=evrima+cheats&aqs=chrome..69i57.2488j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[proven river]

@lucid robin While beelzebufo is a cool as hell frog, ingame it would get destroyed, our current bullfrog ai is nearly beelz size lol

[tawdry oyster]

Literally the first thing that comes up is exploits 💀

[urban flax]

I think it's actually bigger than a beelzebufo

[proven river]

[tawdry oyster]

@daring talon I see your point, but I think the limit is there because of realism or something, cause maybe there wouldn’t be 20 Hypsi’s in a group together. Also I think it’s because of balancing issues. Imagine 20-30 hypsis charging towards you constantly blinding you and you can’t do nothing about it.

[proven river]

The literal only things that being in a group changes is that you can see others' name tags lol, being or not being in a group isn't going to change you getting blinded by 20-30 hypsis

[tawdry oyster]

I didn’t say it’s not possible, it definitely is, but it’s more likely to have 30 hypsis with no group limit than it is with a group limit.

[sage yew]

I still think that the main problem of group cap - in this context - is:
A. is it a challenge? Yes, someone will challenge the cap. 30 Hipsys?
Let's do it.
B. what is hipsy supposed to do? I mean, beside of trolling.

Both, Hipsy and everyone else are supposed to play on the
same metaphorical plain. Maybe divided by different size ratios and
surely there is a gap in abilities, but everyone is supposed to share
the same (metaphorical) space.

Recently I've started to think how the Game Spore worked and in the
first stages of playtime, it made you leave and enter different realms
of your environment and made you interact with it differently.

Here a little expose and to make it clear, I don't care for the LP, or
voice over, only how Spore solved certain issues.
https://youtu.be/L9j7_qiBjPY?t=170
2:50-18-50

I think it's really interesting to observe the changes of how the
(same) environment interacts with you and how you are interacting
with the (same) environment through all these different growth
steps.

What I want to say is, that being small and being big, should have different
impacts on you and come with different challenges - beside of justifying
every difference, simply by size and abilities. With fundamental changes of
how players are supposed to interact with the world, obstacles or
challenges they might face.

For example spore: at first, water is gooey and thick like some kind of gel.
Later it becomes more liquid and starts behave similar to air. It's still the
same water, but how it gets perceived, changes dramatically with every
growth step and at the end it's nothing more but a puddle of water.

[limber hull]

@grand folio make it 12 hours to swap a slot and then maybe i'll agree. 3, 6 minutes and 9 minutes is far too short

[scarlet ocean]

Imo as much as 3,6 or 9 mins is too short, 12 hrs is way too long The whole point of swapping slots is so you can play different dinos multiple times a day, and if you have to wait 12 hrs just to swap, not only will you not play Isle most likely for more than 15hrs a day, which would be from morning to midnight, its much more worth it to kill off, say a full adult deino, play a carno for a few hrs, and regrow that deino, or not add the slot system at all and have multiple dinos across like 5+ different servers 💀 i'd say less than 12 hrs but also more than 2-3hrs. (4-6 hrs would prevent most revenge killing cause people dont really even play for much longer and they are also likely to move to a completely different part of the map, or just die on theyre own somehow)

[tawdry oyster]

I don’t think multiple dinos per server is even a good idea

No matter how long the “cooldown” will be people will always find their killer

[scarlet ocean]

Im 50/50 fold of it, only cause its a little annoying to swap servers just to be a different dino xD

[tawdry oyster]

And if it’s too long it prevents gameplay

[scarlet ocean]

Im sure there would be ways to heavily minimize it, even if about 10-20% of the entire playerbase somehow get to revenge kill, wouldnt be that big of a problem

I just overall think its a funky idea, its odd cause i was talking about it to my friends yesterday, and today theres a conversation about it in here, so im intrigued

[tawdry oyster]

How would you minimize it

[scarlet ocean]

The only thing i can think of right at the top of my head atm is just give it the perfect timer, for u to be able to play atleast 2 species a day, but also long enough for ppl to simply log off, or die in a ''this and that'' many hrs

If someone is 100% seriously playing isle for like 15+ hrs a day, thats a big issue o-o

[tawdry oyster]

No matter how long you’ll make it they’ll go and revenge kill if you’re nesting, if you make it too long you’re limiting gameplay

[scarlet ocean]

Nesting doesnt rlly take that long, you nest, babies grow in 5-7hrs max, or just die/leave, and how would it limit? Not saying it as a judgement, but genuinely curious how

[tawdry oyster]

Oh. you’re saying the timer should be a few hours

My bad

sometimes Im dumb

[scarlet ocean]

No no its ok ^^; Dont half shame urself, but im curious how would it be limiting

i kinda get it, but my brain cant fathom it atm, hitting a brain fart moment

[limber hull]

the timer should be at LEAST, like, above 2-3 hours

[scarlet ocean]

Ofc

i did say 2-3hrs+ too ^^;

[tawdry oyster]

Well let’s say you die and you want to hop back in immediately

Let’s say you have a saved Carno

But you can’t play for 2-3 hours

[limber hull]

then select the saved carno, rather than deciding to play a different slot

if you're starting your play sesion, all slots would be availible

but you need to not play on a slot for at least 3 hours in order to get access to the other ones

[scarlet ocean]

I see it making sense, for some reason i thought the slot system would work as in, the timer would start ticking down when u start playing, so if enough time passes after youve been alive already, u can instantly swap to a different dino, but that would absolutely make it almost impossible to prevent some sort of revenge killing

idk why i thought of that xD

didnt see a different solution, but Avas one makes sense

[urban flax]

Any timer above 3 hours would be 100% useless against revenge killing

At that point just grow a new dino

And go get your revenge

[scarlet ocean]

but if the dino that you have saved takes longer to grow than the timer

apexes in legacy are like a 6-7hrs grow, im expecting atleast 7-8hrs in evrima

with 50% growth bonus

[urban flax]

You don't need to grow a rex to full to ruin people's lives

[scarlet ocean]

It's not just about pvp D:

[urban flax]

And I'm pretty certain than after 3 hours the other guy will have moved somewhere else or logged off

[limber hull]

which is good

[scarlet ocean]

Exactly, so it wouldnt be entierly useless for saving a really hard to grow species

[limber hull]

the slot should not be used to get multiple adults in a single playsession

its more if a mate hops on and he's playinga dino, and you have a full grown deino you want to stay alive

[scarlet ocean]

Ngl, probably why ppl suggest slots, cause of wanting to play with other ppl

[tawdry oyster]

What about a scenario

Where you came to the same place you logged of as a different dino

And in the sign of danger you switch to a stronger one

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah, that would be very unfair, thats why i shamed my own ''statement'' and said its bad xD

[tawdry oyster]

I guess theres a way

To make it work

But it would have to be really well thought out

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah possibly, but i overall still like the idea of slots

Im pro slots, so i checkmark those posts, but if its done even a little bit wrong, could be the worst mechanic added

Reminds me of legacy revenge killing, when you could swap to any dino whenever you want as long as an admin is available 💀

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah

[limber hull]

i only want slots so i can use them once per play session when my mates wanna do something besides my currently grown animal

[scarlet ocean]

What is a play session for u then? For me its normally from like 1.5hrs all the way to possibly 6-7

[limber hull]

well, it doesnt matter how long a session takes

the cooldown would start AFTER you stop playing a slot

imho

not once you start

[sage yew]

current topic?

[urban flax]

Dinosaur slots

[sage yew]

uhm what?

[urban flax]

Multiple dino slots per server
So you grow a deino, a stego an an omni and can choose which one you play when you join a server

[daring talon]

beastsofbermuda/pathoftitans has them

[sage yew]

hm, useful at first - while 1 dino per server is fine for me
but you'll need a death timer, maybe new spawn points from gateway would allow it as well

[daring talon]

(I think it kinda L's the realism parts of the game, and it makes it feel easier if that makes sense when you can just go from one adult to another if you die, instead of having to grow another baby)

[urban flax]

That's what people were discussing

[sage yew]

growing another baby should be actually the appeal

[urban flax]

I just don't see the use of slots when you can simply play on another server and switch

Just needs a bit of coordination with your friends

[daring talon]

yeah, as its the majority of most peoples gameplay, and its fun to see your strength and size increase

[sage yew]

"me and my mates just died ....lets bring the adult rex in"

[daring talon]

(when you arent afk growing)

[urban flax]

But it isn't worse than games that only have a quickplay function and where you need to spam join until you miraculsously end up on the same server

[daring talon]

afk growing is really sucky

[urban flax]

And that's why people were saying it should have a cooldown

[daring talon]

especially when there are people who want to get into the server and actually PLAY the game

but you want to sit in a bush as a baby stego and watch netflix instead of actually play

[sage yew]

I would like to exclude afk growing from this conversation, because this topic needs a different approach

[urban flax]

Also kick people after 15 minutes in character screen cuz cmon

[daring talon]

ok fair enough

[daring talon]

ah hmm yes i can sit in character screen for 5 hour when other people want play (:

[sage yew]

get rid of characterscreen and set up your char while you are in the main menu

[urban flax]

That's what people have ben doing with every update (and mechanic tests)
They just connected at like 4 in the morning, then stayed connected all the day so they could have their slot for thesmelves when they got to play the next evening

[urban flax]

Wait, you mean choosing what to play before choosing a server ?

[sage yew]

...that electricity bill tho.

[urban flax]

It feels counter-intuitive compared to what all other games do

[sage yew]

characterscreen could be optional while on server

so you don't waste slots just for 3 hours of customisation

I'm currently forced to go onto a server, to set up my char

[urban flax]

Yeah adding a skin editor in the main menu would be nice

[limber hull]

when only one server is really full at any time, like in Australia, it'd be a nice feature

[urban flax]

Why do people even live in australia -_-

[sage yew]

Quick play could also work for species distribution

[urban flax]

And how

[sage yew]

austria*

[limber hull]

i said australia

[urban flax]

The only country that is being mistaken for a continent instead of it being the other way around

[sage yew]

*ɐᴉɹʇsnɐ

[limber hull]

the fool speaks in riddles

[agile roost]

Many reasons, actually

[wide relic]

I think that if we want multiple character slots you shouldn’t be able to have the same Dino in multiple slots. This would prevent people from replenishing lost pack members with full grown adults

[barren crater]

That doesn't stop mixpackers though

[wide relic]

The main issue I see with that limitation is that it doesn’t stop people from spawning in as another species and still joining that group

[wide relic]

You just read my mind bro

[barren crater]

lol

[wide relic]

It would actually encourage it

[barren crater]

But yeah, multiple dino slots in a game like this is bad

[wide relic]

Without a mixpacking fix I’d say so as well

[barren crater]

i mean, there will probably be mods for that in the future so you'd be able to do it on unofficials. I just don't think it should ever be an official thing

Mixpacking fix or not

[limber hull]

actually, thats fair, i like that

[limber hull]

i dont agree, it can work, as long as it isnt done stupid

[barren crater]

Frankly, in the official server capacity, I don't see it ever working

[limber hull]

how? if you cant swap slots without not playing for literal hours, there's basically no harm

[barren crater]

I don't like the idea personally, mainly how easy it would be to farm multiple playables on a server. It just makes mixpacking that much easier. One dino per server on officials to me has worked

[limber hull]

it wouldnt be that helpful for mixpacking though, because after dying, you'd either

A: Need to stop playing for a couple of hours
B: Start a new animal from scratch

[wide relic]

What do you mean by need to stop playing for a couple hours? Is that because of a cooldown?

[barren crater]

yeah

[limber hull]

yes, ideally, it'd have a long, several hour long cooldown

[wide relic]

Oh wow that’s a long one

[limber hull]

it cant be any shorter

[wide relic]

If the cooldown is that long it would def help

[wide relic]

Yeah it’d need to be

[tall hearth]

Growing apexes would actually be really easy tbh. Say you have a Herrera, , allo, and a mid growth rex. You spy using the Herrera near where the rex and allo are logged, switch to allo when you find something to kill, and switch to rex to feed it. Grow the rex till it gets hungry or needs nutrients, switch back to herrera, and go back to looking for people to kill with your allo in the area.

[urban flax]

With a 3 hour cooldown between each one of those actions

[wide relic]

There’s another reason we’d need a 3 hour cooldown

[tall hearth]

Oh, a supposed 3 hour timer

[limber hull]

my proposed slot system would need you to wait HOURS, so you can't do that ever

you find food for your rex? Wait 3 hours, the food is gone, who cares

[wide relic]

It seems to be a pretty good check to those trying to exploit a slot system

[tall hearth]

Cant say I'm against it if it's a 3 hour timer. A lot of the negatives just go away. I'll stay neutral to the idea.

[limber hull]

3 hour is me lowballing it btw

i'd be willing to go higher

[wide relic]

I’d say 6 max

It could be tier dependent also with it being the longest for apexes

[limber hull]

be too complex that way imho

[wide relic]

Probably

[urban flax]

I still say anything above 3 hours is becoming more and more useless

[limber hull]

i disagree

it remains relevant for if you decide with some mates that today you wanna grow raptors together

[urban flax]

Except with apexes, it's just faster to grow something else entirely

[limber hull]

exactly

thats the idea

the point is to pick from your slots at the start of a playsession

not swap and switch when you please

you should be encouraged to respawn rather than wait out for a slot to open

[urban flax]

I wouldn't consider doing it once every 3 hours being "as I please" tho

[limber hull]

good

then it works as intended

[urban flax]

But 6 hours is just overkill

[limber hull]

eh

[wide relic]

I’d say 3 is what I’d go for personally

[urban flax]

It might end up stopping a session and not being able to change on my next session

[limber hull]

wdym by that

just respawn as a new animal

you're still on the same slot

[wide relic]

If you’ve only got so many hours to play like at night after work

[urban flax]

What I mean is that let's say I grew a rex on that server a few days ago, then I went to play raptor (while saving my rex) on my last session. But 5 hours later when my friend gets on and wants to play rex with me I can't switch. It's a problem that can occur with any timer, for sure, but the more you extend it, the more this is likely to happen, without providing much benefit.

[wide relic]

Great point

Do we have concrete estimates on certain Dino’s growth times? Like Rex, allo, cerato, or dibble knowing some would help determine a baseline cooldown time which I’m pretty sure would be 3 hours still

[urban flax]

No, only guesses
Unless the devs have said something about it at some point ? I think I vaguely remember rex being said to be 6-7 hours at some point

[wide relic]

I gotcha

[urban flax]

But since growth is based on a dino's power, we can try to make guesses based on what we have
Since cerato will probably be somewhere between omni and carno in terms of power, we can assume it'll be somewhere between 1 and 2 hours

[wide relic]

That’s a good system to go by I’ll remember that

What do you guys think the group size for dilo should be?

[uneven mist]

4

That’s my guess

[urban flax]

4 seems fine yeah
Or 3 if they want to push dilo into a more solitary niche

[uneven mist]

Dilo seems more like a solitary/groups hunter so 3-4 fits while troodon is a pack hunter

[proud coral]

I remember it being said Dilo's venom wouldn't stack. So unless that's changed, that definitely seems like it'd make it more solitary since more bites wouldn't really do anything aside from damage.

[uneven mist]

Yeah but if it wants to hunt bigger things like teno, dibble, magy and so on then a small group would help

Or play with friends

[wide relic]

I think 4 is a solid number quick question tho. Does Dilos venom only create hallucinations?

[uneven mist]

Well yes kinda, it’s said that dilo’s venom affects the constitution of the mind tho a dev said something about there also being a second affect because hallucinations alone won’t be enough but my guess is it will affect the audio

[wide relic]

I gotcha so other than that it’ll be killing with bleed damage

[urban flax]

I don't think evrima dilo will be much of a bleeder

Its bleed was kind of a placeholder in legacy because there was no venom mechanic

[wide relic]

You think it’ll be more raw damage instead?

Because I’m picturing they’ll still use the “dilo venom stops blood clotting” placeholder still with the audio and visual hallucinations on top of it

[urban flax]

Yeah I think it will be raw damage

[wide relic]

I gotcha

[urban flax]

Having both venom and strong bleed applied by the same attack sounds like a horrible mess of overpoweredness

[wide relic]

If the venom does damage then I agree

[lucid robin]

thats cuz the bullfrog AI is supposed to be a modern day bullfrog. the beelzebufo would be big enough to eat dinosaurs and survive amongst dinos

the people who released dinos "had to feed them with something" so they used goats, boars, deer, bullfrogs, and other stuff

thats why we have modern day AI in a dinosaur game

[urban flax]

You didn't read the other messages ? Current Isle bullfrog is bigger than a beelzebufo

[lucid robin]

nah i wasnt on at the time so i only skipped to where i was pinged

[urban flax]

Beelzebufo wasn't that big at all, it was around 3-4 kg
And I think Isle's frog is like 5 kg

[lucid robin]

oh lmao. i mean i was going off of Ark: Survival Evolved's beelzebufo so uh.. that was probably a bad idea XD

its huuuge and rlly cool

i shouldnt have trusted the company that ruined their game with tEk dInOsAuRs

[urban flax]

Yeah a lot of people believe beelzebufo was huge after playing ark, but a lot of things are oversized or just straight-out turned into fantasy monsters in that game

Like irl giga isn't 8 meters tall either

[lucid robin]

i mean technically the isle doesnt have to be entirely accurate.. they could make a giant frog if they wanted to

which i definitely want them to lol

[urban flax]

No, but I don't really see the appeal in that

[lucid robin]

and think about it, they once had hypos in the game, and the current omniraptor is legit a made up species

[urban flax]

Gameplay-wise... a frog, no matter the size, is still just a frog

[lucid robin]

i have a pet frog named Billy so i'm slightly biased but I think they're very cool if large

[urban flax]

It spends 90% of its time chilling and the rest eating anything that fits inside its mouth

[urban flax]

Hypers will come back btw

[lucid robin]

l o n g t o n g u e c r e a t u r e g o h o p

a l s o n o m

[urban flax]

I might also be biased by the fact I hate how things like Ark and JW (and JP to an extent) just spread misinformation on animals that existed by turning them into monters

[lucid robin]

cool.. but also like, eh? i mean i dont really like the idea of OP creatures coming around killing hours of peoples' progress just for the hell of it. especially if it'll be AI

[urban flax]

And although The Isle DOES turn animals into monsters, so far it's remaining quite reasonable
Turning beelzebufo into a 300kg frog would just continue this trend

[lucid robin]

i love the way hypos look but from a gameplay perspective, doesnt seem too fun having them going around wrecking 5-hour-grown deinos and stegos who have no hope of escaping or killing the hypo

[urban flax]

I think they'll be playable, but they will also probably end up being different gameplay-wise than legacy hypers

[lucid robin]

yeah prob ^

[urban flax]

Everything was just so unbalanced in legacy, it's impossible to assume things balance-wise based on it

[sage yew]

have you considered that Gateway will probably have a different spawn system?

[sage yew]

https://youtu.be/vn6g83_qbw0?t=139
more balanced than 1:1 is not possible and it's still broken

[urban flax]

That's not balance, that's gameplay design

1v1 on ptera is fun

[sage yew]

combat design, yes.
but balance is not the cure, that's all I wanted to add

[sage yew]

I assume out of the more dynamic environment (airborn) ?

you can't just sit in someones ass and munch down I assume

[urban flax]

Yep

Couldn't try it with the new turn radius yet, but doing a 1v1 as pteras in the middle of a forest must be one hell of an adrenaline rush

[sage yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzswDB4Uoc
didn't had any more pixels left, sry ...but I guess it's similar? xD

[lucid robin]

i dont like ptera 1v1s, cause theres always that one ptera sweat main who has practiced their entire life at air combat and stamina saving and all that, and u cant really do much about it lol
and if u land to get away they'll just fly over u and peck u

[urban flax]

I mean it's still better than the carno video DamusNostra sent, where the first to bite just wins

[lucid robin]

kinda weird but ok

[sage yew]

hm, I really like flight simulations, but currently it's a bit too unfinished to get so far into it

[urban flax]

A bit less epic
And a bit more about killing each other than mating
But yea

[sage yew]

always have been

[lucid robin]

wth

[tawdry oyster]

Tf is this 💀

[sage yew]

hrrrr

[lucid robin]

me when someone pings me to say hrrrr

[sage yew]

"Mom and dad are fighting again"

[wide relic]

That’s a good point we also discussed a 3 hour cooldown for switching between playables you have slotted

[sage yew]

why 3 hours?
In this time I can already grow at least 50% on the big boys

[wide relic]

So you can’t swap dinosaurs Willy nilly or upon death

[burnt bone]

@lucid robin you realize that the new dodge can be used in the same way and more right? You dodge in the direction of your camera. So using alt looking to keep moving forward then look and dodge where you want to go. You can even instantly do a 180 with dodge.

Though I agree the stam cost is WAY too much atm.

[lucid robin]

the new dodge has a much higher stam cost and the distance it launches you is way less than the old dodge

and like.. whats the point of "dodging" by going faster in the direction ur already going like-

going to the side with the old dodge was so much more useful

[wide relic]

Otherwise Growing an apexes would actually be really easy tbh. Say you have a Herrera, , allo, and a mid growth rex. You spy using the Herrera near where the rex and allo are logged, switch to allo when you find something to kill, and switch to rex to feed it. Grow the rex till it gets hungry or needs nutrients, switch back to herrera, and go back to looking for people to kill with your allo in the area.

[burnt bone]

It launches about the same distance, but the stam cost can easily be reduced

[wide relic]

Or you could die and then pick a Dino in the area you have and rejoin the fight as it

[lucid robin]

the other dodge felt like it launched u a lot further

[burnt bone]

Because, as I said, you don’t have to only dodge in the direction you’re moving. Use alt look to point the dodge behind you and instantly 180.

[lucid robin]

the alt thing is pretty hard to use and works kinda oddly sometimes imo, but yeah i guess it can work

[burnt bone]

It also stopped all momentum, rather than allowing you to near instantly turn a new direction or get a light boost

[lucid robin]

u didnt really lose momentum from my experience

[burnt bone]

It works perfectly for me, granted, I’m already used to using alt look to constantly scan the area around me.

[lucid robin]

yeah i almost never use alt tbh

[burnt bone]

Using alt camera makes dryo dodge 10x better

[lucid robin]

now to wait 6 hours to post my next suggestion because the isle is like that

[sage yew]

this implies, that your target has to be near to your spawning position, also those species have to spawn close to each other, or are "stored" close to it

[wide relic]

Yes

[sage yew]

okay, sounds like it would be solvable
at first, what is needed for animal storage? maybe nesting?
how much time does it take to swap out an animal? 15 min downtime could mean that your opponent can already be anywhere, not forgetting travel time - considering that gateway will be bigger than center + NW (active play zones) + maybe lemon field, if you want to count that too.
also, what happens to your old playable? If certain requirements need to be fullfilled, you already can't simply swap out

to make swaping work, requires that players have to commit to their chosen ones

[tall hearth]

Bro I respect your position but at the very least say who you're quoting from (me) lol

[wide relic]

Sorry about that I will remember to in the future

[tall hearth]

👍

[wide relic]

I’m very new to big discord discussions

[tall hearth]

And during the discussion earlier there was an idea suggested about having a 3+ hour cooldown between switching dinos too, so it was "solved" ig. Still not entirely a fan of having multiple dinos per server for the isle, but not wholly against either.

An idea I'd be neutral towards, if implemented I suppose

[feral solstice]

Don’t get why people can’t just use Dryo dodge as… a literal dodge?

It’s omnidirectional so if someone tries to bite you, you can just beeline into the opposite and literally dodge it

The old dodge was just so predictable like

[tall hearth]

The current dodge needs a bit more distance when used as well. Either that or the speed burst needs to last longer for it to be worthwhile

I like it and it, just isnt at it's full potential yet

[crude girder]

@burnt bone adding on to your point about water clarity, I think it being clear is a good thing, but camera angle should also impact visibility imo. Generally, even for very clear water, higher angles allow you to see better, note how the ripples and the reflections hide more of the water as you get further away, and thus the angle approaches horizontal

and that is some water I'd call unnaturally clear to begin with

This is also kinda what I mean, see how the light patch and reflections obscure the fish a lot more as they get further from the camera?

[sage yew]

Can we make a List of bad Ideas? How we definitely don't want to see it change?

[burnt bone]

those are definitely good points. I know the old U3 water used to have a similar effect with the angle changing visibility. Changing waves may be a bit resource intensive though, but I'm not sure how all of that works, so def should be a thing if its feasible.

[burnt bone]

I mainly just don't want it to end up all clearer water sources having foliage everywhere, so we are basically back to square one. I also don't want clear water to just be 100% safe, because then deino just becomes unviable unless it can catch a random player crossing the river.

[proud coral]

I kinda disagree with the second part. If migrations work out right as well as the map having good level design, even crystal clear water would be fine to have since stuff couldn't just camp there 24/7. Eventually they gotta move for food.

Also other semi-aquatics 🙂 Like yeah Deino may not be there, but Sucho might be

Might end up with situations like "cool, we all made it to our migration spot! But the only water source here is murky and might house Deinos. It'd be risky to travel super far to safer waters."

[burnt bone]

That is also a fair point, but depending on how long migrations last and how spread out the species are, it can really mess up deinos. If stegos and tenos are at a clear lake and pachies are near the ocean, it can really cause a decline in deino populations since there’s very little to hunt.

However, if it all works then it all works, I can’t complain about it.

[proud coral]

Since Deinos are gators and gators are gators, I imagine it'll have ways to follow prey instead of being stuck in one spot.

That's where good level design comes in.

Waterways connected to other waterways and such. Obviously not literally every single source of water, but the main ones.

[crude girder]

any sources of water that aren't connected directly to Deino-accessable water, or aren't crossable by Deinosuchus, could probably be taken care of between droughts and migrations

as long as it isn't a super massive clear lake inaccessible to Deinosuchus, stuff like ponds could be made to dry up and force players to interact with deeper and more Deino friendly water sources

I'd personally want to see water sources draining if not connected [directly or indirectly] with a river when drunk from as well

[proud coral]

[burnt bone]

Yeah my main issue would be a cycle of migrations where the majority or all of the prey would move to a spot that deino can’t hunt. Though that can be circumvented by organizing the migration orders and expanding roster.

[crude girder]

so herds would deplete the small safe pools unless they are getting frequent rain [which could cause floods and allow Deinos to expand their range] and that would eventually force them back to the prime ambush locations

[burnt bone]

Dynamic water sources are also a neat thing to add. Would also help reduce mixpacking and megapacking since it forces you to interact with deinos more.

[oblique creek]

That would be really cool actually and would work pretty well. Especially when you take into account how much water an animal like teno or stego would actually take in when drinking. The ponds could support small creatures for awhile until something like a group of tenos finds it and completely drain it in a few gulps. Then everyone would be forced to look elsewhere

[blissful latch]

I just wanna say the passive impale on trike is funny that is all

[sage yew]

wouldn't this just hit everyone equally?

[jaunty trout]

pls nerf crocs they are every where in every river its not fun anymore to play u cant even drink there to strong they inhale very thing like its butter. U need to like pls make a system that only like a amount of dinos can be played on one server i would really aprecciate this so i could have a better game experience also i often seen water bugs where the water just looks like strips pls fix this ty all have a nice day

[sage yew]

If you can't beat them, join them.
Figure out where crocs stay, and where they just pass.

Once you know that, you know where it's safe to drink: most of the time.

[jaunty trout]

TY for the tip i have on nearly every server played a croc once

and today i played 3 carnos guess what i drank at save places died

then i played a croc and they where in every river they need to make more water points where no croc can be

or make a system that diffrent dinosaurs can only played as much as a limit says on offical servers like only max 20 crocs orsmth

for evry dino based on there skill or how strong they are

[sage yew]

only 20% of the surface area of the map gets played on, which alone makes croc gameplay fairly limited. Just move 20m away from such points and you are usually fine. Or you just suffer from bad luck in general.

But there is hope, you can assume that gameplay might change with the new map.

[jaunty trout]

if u go under generel feedback scroll a bit up there is good suggestion from a playerpls read that than come back and we can talk

[sage yew]

ah, this one could help as well: don't drink for too long
take two sips and move 30m, drink again, move, drink, that makes it harder to prepare on you.

[jaunty trout]

its the 3 porst up or 4

damus ty for the tipp

but still im a part of mine or the other one in generel feedback

[scarlet ocean]

#general-feedback message,
This post, this is good, cause if the head teleporting/magnetic pounce works when there’s rex and trike in, that would make it so much worse to deal with than it currently is for every single species, like significantly worse. Currently ppl don’t mind it too much even though it’s an issue just cause of the current roster, but if this continues and lasts till the entire 30+ Dino roster is in, that’s a rlly big problem.
There would be 0 excuse on why can a omni pounce the horns of a trike and teleport on its side. 💀 That would be like falling in a spike trap and magically teleporting to the side of it, avoiding the spikes completely. (Comparing to irl spike traps, where animals fall in hidden holes made by hunters and they get impaled)

[limber hull]

@jovial dagger you know you press H to do that, right?

[rocky shoal]

Yes but make it to where it doesn't automatically start safe logging

[scarlet ocean]

I get what u meant there, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a new keybind, but just another H press to lay down without safe logging, a faster way of either healing or gaining stam, almost every Dino survival game currently has that and I support it for isle aswell 😅 also puts u in a more vulnerable spot for things attacking u cause you’d need to cycle through 2 stationary animations before being able to fight back. (Like go back into sitting, and then sprint up into action), still no idea why laying down isn’t a option either just for more dino interactions/rp or for functionality

[agile roost]

You could just press w to get up more quickly, but with the cost of stamina

As you can currently do that with sitting

[sage yew]

I don't see sleeping as a potentially good mechanic anymore. "Sleeping" is supposed to be an extension of the "sit" mechanic and provide a healing boost. Which is interesting, at first, but downtime is a weird trade off. While sitting is reflected in an active state, even if you reside passive. You are able to look around, communicate and vocalise which can keep you entertained. Sleeping, wouldn't allow such interactions and it's maybe not a huge concern when someone prefers to play alone anyway, or is trying to use it as "fast heal" to get back into action as fast as possible, while your mates keep engaging with someone, it kinda misses the actual meaning of sleeping, as you usually can't just sleep on command.

Sleeping (fast healing) would be practically a bypass, to sitting (healing).

hm... maybe as a feature of Apex species, which could be actually dependent of it, or suffer longer healing duration, in both ways it would make you more vulnerable and your body proportions wouldn't allow you to bypass the danger of it - like raptors can, climbing on rocks and stuff.

[rocky shoal]

I mean if they do it right, you could only sleep when you aren't in combat

[sage yew]

in a way, that the game detects if you are in a combat situation?

[rocky shoal]

Yeah

Like, if you are actively landing hits and getting hits, you cannot lay down or something along those lines

You can sit but not lay down, I should specify

[sage yew]

could be timer based
but you still are supposed to stop playing, to use this mechanic. While sitting enables you to still look for danger and not just hope that nothing happens

[rocky shoal]

They could do it like DoD where you open the menu (esc) and wait for a timer

Or you could hold it again and it'd close your eyes and start the safelog

[sage yew]

what is DoD?

[rocky shoal]

Day of Dragons

Not a good example but the log mechanic is pretty good for ot

It*

[sage yew]

you have examples?
it seems that DoD lats you be fully aware of your surroundings, while you are sleeping

[rocky shoal]

Well you'd have to be in menu so you couldn't look around, and after a minute it'd let you safelog or go back to choose a different dragon

If you exited the menu it started the countdown over again

[sage yew]

okay, only saw shift + R is sleeping and in this clip I have not seen these things

but this is already solved in Isle. H for sit + hold H for sleep and 60sec timer starts for safelog

[rocky shoal]

Yeah I mean I wish we had an animation for sleep without safelogging simply for photos, or a sort of side lay

Idk if I'm making any sense my bad lmao

[sage yew]

but this is a different topic as making sleeping into a viable mechanic for gameplay

[rocky shoal]

True

[sage yew]

sounds more like a creative mode or picture mode you can enter in the menu, instead of joining a server

sleeping animation would suggest, that you are not aware of your surroundings and your perception is at least highly limited, having a perfect view wouldn't translate into the game very well

[rocky shoal]

Yeah that's fair

I'd be happy with a PvE server for pictures ngl

Or just creative mode in general

Only issue is hackers would somehow manage to get creative mode on normal servers

Alamy

[clever lion]

The scam game

[rocky shoal]

They're actually getting stuff worked on now

[clever lion]

Ok

[crimson citrus]

You'd be surprised how much progress there's on the roadmap. Looking pretty promising ngl :)

[barren zephyr]

@gray pendant I used to feel the same way but I'm pretty sure the developers are trying to get the game to where it's worth money. Ik this can be annoying but at this point we just need to be patient even if its 7 years its still early access.

[tall hearth]

The DoD devs have some huge update expected to drop soon that's gonna be "game changing" or something idk. I still feel like I wasted 20 bucks on it still lol.

I think the worst part about it is they're selling some special dragon(s) as dlc when the game is barely a game still.

Idk, we'll see how it turns out. I dont have high hopes, but I do hope it goes in a good direction.

[rocky shoal]

I just hope it aint gonna be like the Depths or whatever that one game was called

[tall hearth]

I'm guessing devs ran off with the money or something?

[rocky shoal]

The lead dev

Other devs weren't payed or anything, and still haven't been iirc

The main fella said he got hacked, deleted everything abt the game, and then disappeared

It's sad cause the game looked good too :(

[faint folio]

Idk that it's going to be game changing, but it should help at least. And I'm pretty sure the devs get paid at least

[cloud perch]

hello?

[errant maple]

Am i the only one who can’t wait for trike

[uneven mist]

I’m hyper for it but I’m mostly hyped for other ceratopsian like dibble and pachyrhino

[errant maple]

Do you thibk it will come this year

[uneven mist]

Trike?

Or the others?

[errant maple]

Yes

Trike

[uneven mist]

Well it depends, they want to finish 7 Dino’s before moving to rex and trike, those being troodon, beipi, cera, Galli, dibble, Herrera and dilo. Troo, beipi, cera and Galli will most likely come this year considering they are testing or near testing but I could see dibble this year if things goes well. Dilo and Herrera tho is hard to tell so for rex and trike I’d probably guess for next year but who knows maybe they can get rex and trike out before the end of the year but I doubt

[errant maple]

Yeah better take time then do fast

[cloud perch]

hello?

[uneven mist]

Hello there

[thorny lynx]

Fat Rex when

[ashen wasp]

66mya

[scarlet sky]

@oblique creek I really like and agree with what you said about being able to tell the difference even more between the genders of dinos but for rexes (and some other dinosaurs ofc) it's believed that females are actually larger than males if I remember correctly just how some bird species are aswell in todays day and age!

[oblique creek]

That could be cool too! The stego female appears larger then the male to me because of the plates and I think that's neat. If I remember correctly there are two "morphs" of tyrannosaurus, a robust form and a gracile form but nobody is sure weather they were different subspecies or genders or simply polymorphic forms of the same thing. Kinda like how humans all look so different even though we're all the same species. But I agree it would definitely suit some medium/large carnivores for the female to be the larger more aggressive one

I think allo would suit that pretty well with the females dominating interactions

[scarlet sky]

Yeah it's really interesting on how the genders affect/could have affected their looks and sizes and I too love how the female stego's appear to be much larger that little detail to their plates gives so much to them

[scarlet sky]

ooo yes I could see that happening

[tawdry oyster]

@topaz pendant I’d prefer if the day and night cycles were 30 minutes each. I think it balances the day and night out. They’re both not too long and not too short

[agile roost]

5h day and 5 second night

[fair belfry]

next update 2027 announced

[clever lion]

True

[icy lion]

@gilded hinge Highlands is a biome on Gateway, the entire map doesn't look like that area

[gilded hinge]

what is a gateway?

[hallow umbra]

new map

[icy lion]

An entrance, basically. The map is named that due to the lore connected to it

[gilded hinge]

no t he thing itself

[hallow umbra]

oh

[gilded hinge]

ohh okay thank you<3

[hallow umbra]

oops

[faint folio]

Like how a doorway is the place where a door sits when it is shut (when open, it's the opening that lets you to pass into different rooms), gateway is the same idea with a gate. Usually for outdoor areas or parks, etc, as a gate tends to imply a door for a wall without a roof (palisade, fence, etc). You may encounter gateways at the entrance to zoos, parks, gardens, amusement parks, gated communities, etc

Over time, because of the association with main entrances, gateway became less literal and can be used more to describe an entrance. Like how the statue of liberty was considered the gateway to New York City and the United States

[gilded hinge]

ohh okay thank you for the detailed explanation

[fair belfry]

GIVE US AN UPDATE GUYS CMON

[uneven mist]

Dude

Take a snickers bar

[worthy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/u-noty-noty-u-teasing-me-u-noty-noty-you-naughty-naughty-you-teasing-me-you-naughty-naughtyyy-you-naughty-you-naughty-naughty-you-teasing-me-gif-19937565

[faint folio]

What

[narrow trail]

i hope the devs fix whenever a server crash and your dino dies on na1 a server was crashing and i tried to safe log it crashed i logged back in and my dino was dead

[solid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[rancid raptor]

@dreamy merlin there's nothing bad with female quetz looking different than the male

@somber elm so, a nesting ground with deino river?

@proud coral sorry but compy will never become a playable, it's an ai only

@wary ember The new ptera flight is the way it always should have been.

Prior to the ptera patch, people could fly backwards if they were skilled enough. They could turn on a dime, not literally, but it'd look like it. The flight was really illogical

Also, a chicken weighs between 2.5 and 4kg.
Eagles can carry somewhere around 3kg within their talons while flying, but it's a completely different thing when a flyer carries something with its mouth

A frog tho, yeah a ptera should be able to carry a frog.
To conclude a ptera should be able to carry a chicken with its mouth is questionable

@gloomy reef cool concept, inspired from the game "dead by daylight". the concept is called a skillcheck.

but being able to get out of a pounce that fast, just by hitting one skillcheck?

[limber hull]

skillchecks, and by extention dead by daylight, are horrible

[rancid raptor]

in isle or in the game dbd?

[limber hull]

both

[rancid raptor]

how is it horrible in dbd?

i've played that game since 2018 and i've never seen anyone complain about skillchecks, this is my first time seeing it and it's in a dino survival server

anyways it wouldn't be good in this scenario, in the isle

[limber hull]

shallow attempt to cover up uninteresting gameplay mechanics (sitting still and holding LMB) by adding "depth" in the form of a random quicktime event, adding no real depth beyond arbitrary and uninteresting "mechanics" to pass unengaging downtime

[rancid raptor]

shallow attempt to cover up?

#offtopic-discussion

[limber hull]

I'm not swapping channels to talk about DbD, let's instead discuss why it'd be HORRIBLE for The Isle in the context presented

[urban flax]

I like skillchecks in DbD, cause they are the foundation for other mechanics. However, adding such a thing in The Isle to automatically escape a raptor pounce is kinda terrible.

I don't like the idea of a player doing everything as they should and then be denied their reward just because the other player did a funny click at the right time, without the first player having any ability to prevent it.

Duelling with raptors would just end up spamming pounce until someone messes their skillcheck. Visually, it may look better than the current 1-tap pounce, but it wouldn't be much more entertaining in my opinion, if not just a lot more frustrating.

[cloud perch]

i need help

[urban flax]

Regarding what ?

[cloud perch]

my fps is low and how to thrash

[urban flax]

There isn't much you can do about fps, except lowering your graphics if thye aren't set to minmum already. As for thrashing, you do so by holding a body into your mouth and shaking your mouse around
You can also bite a corpse to rip the organs out

[cloud perch]

i try it but is not working

[urban flax]

Are you certain you're on evrima ? What dino are you playing as ?

[cloud perch]

deino

[urban flax]

Might be a case of bugged body
Current version of evrima is quite full of bugs

[cloud perch]

so

i need to hold lmb at the same time?

[urban flax]

I can't help you much more
You can try asking in #isle-discussion , people out there are more knowledgeable than me on the subject and you've got better chances of someone answering you

[cloud perch]

thx you are the best

hello?

[urban flax]

You didn't ask your question in isle discussion xD
Just go there and ask "Hey how do I thrash in Evrima ?"

[cloud perch]

kk

they say me to hold lmb and shake my mouse left and right

[urban flax]

Yeah I've read the conversation, if it still doesn't work then you've probably found a bug
Worst case, you can try relogging, and if it still doesn't work... then it's too bad I guess

[cloud perch]

it work!!!!!!

[somber elm]

The devs did say they want it playable but only in sandbox

[somber elm]

I think it would be shallow but just so they can sustain their watersources at the nesting grounds

[wary ember]

yeah i agree, they were a bit too maneuverable before. But it was a lot funnier, now it feels like you're trying to steer a Boeing-747 lol. They should add another bird before drastically changing the current one, they literally removed 80% of the fun😭 😭

[limber hull]

i honestly find the new turn more fun

[crude crypt]

@barren zephyr scar mechanics is alr confirmed

[barren zephyr]

Oh brah

Well ill delete it then lmao

[crude crypt]

But idk if there gonna be broken horns but I hope so

[barren zephyr]

Ye i just really want more customization to skins

[crude crypt]

But actually now that I think abt it in the trike concept art we can see a raptor that got ripped of his arm

[barren zephyr]

But like realistic so not like a random santa hat or something

[crude crypt]

Yea understandable

[crude crypt]

Pov animalistic survival

Wtf

I meant animalia survival

Also I'd like a deino remodel such as this one I made with all the love ❤️ and care I could

[barren zephyr]

Like i wanna become an allo main in evrima once allo gets added and i just really want 3 scars and a blind eye in my allos face or maybe something else idk it was the first skin option i could think of

[crude crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-utah-gif-22957682

[barren zephyr]

Should have done that with the dilo

[crude crypt]

Creato >>>>>>>>>>>>> allo

Cerato*

God this phone is from ohio or smth

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is one of my favorites too but idk i just like allo more

[crude crypt]

I find cerato prettier and stronger with the new mechanics

Always been my favorite

[barren zephyr]

Maybe this next thing is a bit too much to ask for but like (diff location or whatever its called) skins

So like allosaurus europeaus

[crude crypt]

And I'm French and everyone know that French are always right

[barren zephyr]

Idk i dont think cerato will be stronger than allo in evrima

[crude crypt]

I think it's a really bad idea

[urban flax]

true

[crude crypt]

Only a dumb allo would attack an evrima cera

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

It really depends on how allo will be in evrima

We havent seen cerato even in evrima tbh

[crude crypt]

I mean you can't counter cerato

[barren zephyr]

How do you know

[crude crypt]

We do know like 90%of his mechanics

[barren zephyr]

Oh

[urban flax]

In all honesty tho I think cerato standing the slightest chance against an allo would be quite far-fetched, although I like cera much more

[barren zephyr]

But we havent seen anything about allo

[uneven mist]

Yeah I like cera more but it being able to defend itself from allo is just

[urban flax]

Cera is between 1.1 and 1.6 tons at most, with a higher probablility of being close to 1.3 tons
Allo is, what... 2.6 tons or something ? That's quite the size difference

[crude crypt]

And he can make you sick which mean no dinos will try to hunt a cerato for food or hover food

[barren zephyr]

Wait huh

He can make you sick?

[uneven mist]

Cera should be bullying stuff carno sized and smaller not allo

[crude crypt]

Well I meant that the cera mechanics make the other not wanting to fight him hover food

[urban flax]

Cera is literally a plague rat
It's bite carries diseases

[barren zephyr]

BRAHH

Now i kinda get what you mean

Thats kinda op

[crude crypt]

He won't bully but allos won't attack him but yeah allo is physically stronger than allo

[barren zephyr]

Allo will prob do alot of bleed tbh

[crude crypt]

I mean allo is stronger than cera

[uneven mist]

Yea but personally I don’t think cera should make allo sick at all, that sounds unbalanced

[barren zephyr]

Yeah i get what you mean allo is stronger but the disease will suck

[crude crypt]

I think it will be able to make every dino sick except for deino cuz he is basically the carbage of evrima bro is literally eating bones

[urban flax]

According to what Kissen said it sounded like cera would need a number of bites to make one sick dependent on their size
So I assume a cera would need to bite an allo quite a lot of times to make it sick

[barren zephyr]

Allo will def kill the cerato if they fight but as a plsyer you mostly want to avoid cerato because of the disease

[uneven mist]

[barren zephyr]

Oooh

[uneven mist]

Yeah no

[barren zephyr]

But the disease?

[crude crypt]

Yea it would be too op If he could just make sick a Rex in one bite

[barren zephyr]

Can you heal it

[crude crypt]

Make sense

[crude crypt]

Salt toujours is the only way

[barren zephyr]

Ez to heal?

[urban flax]

Yeah, it will be the same effect as eating rotten food or overeating

[barren zephyr]

Ooooh

Thats not that bad

[crude crypt]

BRO MY FRENCH PHONE IS TYPING FRENCH WORDS

[barren zephyr]

But its strong tho

[crude crypt]

I hate it

[barren zephyr]

But i do think a cera wont make me not want to eat my food as an allo

Ill just kill it and heal the disease

If i even get the disease

[crude crypt]

Yea it mean if u hunt a Cera while being his size or a little bigger and being hit several time but manage to kill it your gonna eat it and then vomit

[barren zephyr]

But i would mostly not want to fight a cera in a dangerous area

[barren zephyr]

Oh wait

[crude crypt]

[barren zephyr]

Does it also give the disease when you eat it

[crude crypt]

So ur gonna loose all of us food

[crude crypt]

No

[barren zephyr]

Ohh

Well i wont want to go hunt a cera

[crude crypt]

But if he hits you several time before dying your sick

[crude crypt]

Unless you can one shot him

[barren zephyr]

But if im eating and get attacked by a cera i wont just run like a little kid

[crude crypt]

Or a pack of raptors

[barren zephyr]

Unlikely

I think allo might get a grab ability

[crude crypt]

I think the amount of bites you need to make a dino sick is different if the guy your fighting is heavier

[barren zephyr]

Where it grabs smaller creatures and does damage over time

And the dinos can escape the grab

[barren zephyr]

I though they removed the weight system?

[crude crypt]

Nah I feel a ceratopsid like styra suit better for a grab ability such as it

[crude crypt]

Weight = health

[barren zephyr]

Oh

[barren zephyr]

Huh

You mean allo grabbing the styra?

[crude crypt]

No

I mean the styra getting a grab ability

Like it grab u with his horn and it would do insane bleeding

Anyway I gtg have a nice day

[rancid raptor]

fun isn't so fun when it looks like a UFO constantly bending aerodynamic physics

[tepid gate]

"stronger" is a... really peculiar word to use with regard to Cerato in a comparison with Allo

Allosaurus is literally three times the size of Cerato

[tepid gate]

the biggest Allosaurus(the one that they will presumably be using since it was the base for Allo in legacy) is 3.2t in weight or so

[limber hull]

ceratorex mindset

[tepid gate]

yea I just kind of find it baffling how every media tends to oversize Cerato and turn it into some enormous, buly monster where the animal is a twig and not even large in size at that

JP did the same thing from what I recall

and a few other shows/series and films

[limber hull]

I am far more interested in seeing people complain over cerato not being as strong as they headcanoned than actually see cerato be a super strong animal

[tepid gate]

yea I've noticed that people quite commonly overestimate the size and power of this animal

[chilly ermine]

@lucid robin you have a couple things in your feedback.
Not sure what you mean about “latching” on the river bed”. The weight of the deino drags it down slowly while swimming but that can be stopped by pressing the cam swivel to rotate your view.

[sudden hinge]

I don’t think ceras meat is gunna make things puke it’s bite does

[tall hearth]

@maiden anvil that maia concept idea is

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[north quiver]

@maiden anvil I’d upvote but there’s no option to :c I’d love a repost when possible to upvote

[maiden anvil]

Much appreciate guys☺️

[broken thorn]

@maiden anvil
That's a nice concept art. I could see Maia being a spieces that can eat large variety of plant life, potentionally robbing other animals in the area of their prefered food. And if it profits from grouping, it can literally work as an unwanted neighbour for herbi players.

For the combat, I very much imagine Maia to ram into smaller spieces mid-run and trample them of sorts. And the larger foes, it can shove down and make an escape opening.

[maiden anvil]

I can easily agree to that

[proud coral]

Never know

[maiden anvil]

@urban bear That was very nice of you. I deeply appreciate it

[urban bear]

Anytime

[robust dome]

@ripe karma Practice, its not that hard

[ripe karma]

ya practice when every other dino can exist by just existing

[robust dome]

Hu

What

[ripe karma]

i dont have to worry about drowning eating a goat as a carno

[robust dome]

Then you are doing something wrong

Fishing really isnt that hard and if u run out of stam there is a problem

[lucid robin]

when you touch the bottom of a river, your deino kind of "latches" onto it, and it has a delay when you hold space to get off of it and go back up. kinda like how you get stuck on the surface of the water and can't look down to go down, you have to hold a special button; CTRL, or for the river bottom, Space. also, being on the bottom makes you swim slower just cause you're touching it, which is a big pain sometimes

[lucid robin]

@maiden anvil I LOVE YOUR CONCEPT ART IT'S SO DAMN GOOD- god you could even be on the dev team at this rate keep it up like my god it's so cool
and the fact that you drew each herd member SEPARATELY in the large herd instead of duplicating them- how 😭

I genuinely don't understand why I only have dislikes on my most recent suggestion, it seems pretty reasonable

maybe people arent reading it all like i specifically asked them to

[cyan flame]

@lucid robinPrimarily because it does not seem all that useful or good. Just adding potential fps issues with stacking bodies and not being able to move away from them for example. I'm not sure what it adds aside from looking cool(?) and a damage debuff for successfully defending yourself, which does not seem all that reasonable honestly.

[lucid robin]

stegos dont need to defend themself from things like raptors if they've killed enough to have a damage debuff, because packs usually come in like 5 max and thats the max body amount to get stuck on its tail. the mechanic could also help reduce kos stegos, at least a little

[cyan flame]

And what if there's more? Normal pack size is 8 after all. Or what if it's another playable coming in higher numbers? Or for a kentro perhaps. Or should it apply to trike face too, omnis can get stuck there as well it seems. Would that get in the way of fighting? Would it be distracting for the stego or trike during the fight? I just don't see how it's useful for either side really, since it can lead to more fps issues due to the concentration of bodies and all.

[lucid robin]

I edited my suggestion, the stego now doesn't have to leave battle to clean its tail. But when it does clean its tail, it will be vulnerable for a few seconds, and give other dinos an opportunity to attack the large, rather OP beast. (talking about small things obviously like raptors, because if it was fighting say carnos, the bodies are too big to get stuck on the tail and it won't have to clean its tail)

[cyan flame]

Which doesn't resolve either the "punished for successfully doing what you should", nor the risk of performance issues, because I doubt anyone would just stop and clean their tail during active combat. And it wouldn't be needed either, you'd still one shot omnis even with the debuff, so why bother?

[lucid robin]

All this talk of performance issues shouldn't be something we have to worry about when talking about mechanics being added. The developers need to optimize their game. We come up with cool and/or useful mechanics to be added, they figure out how to add them without lagging their game. Optimization isn't that impossible to do. The devs don't spend enough time optimizing and bug fixing imo.

[lucid robin]

edited yet again

slightly unrelated comment, i like that you're giving honest feedback and criticizing my suggestion, because then i can change things about it over time and fix whatever issues i didn't think of, which could come up if it was added. nobody likes a happy talker (except the ppl that do, but we ignore them lol)

ima take a break from editing it for now though. writing is mildly tiring x]

[cyan flame]

No matter how much they do that, there might still be issues. While you're right in that we shouldn't have to worry about it, I don't think we'll ever not have to, at least in some sense, and there's no reason to add potential issues I don't think. So it's worth keeping in mind I'd say. But even if everything ran perfectly, there's still the "successful defense punish" factor, as well as "could this be distracting in combat, does it limit vision for a trike to stack omnis on it's face, or the stego by stacking omnis on the tail. Does it affect hitbox, or is it just visual?" and so on. I just don't see much use for it honestly, it's a cool idea but not really adding much to the gameplay or experience aside from "oh wow, I can stack omnis" and then the potential realisation that it's just a bother.

[lucid robin]

I never said that it should work like this for trike, but I guess if it did, it could just scrape them off on rocks or push them off with its front legs maybe

as are most of my suggestions in general feedback, it's mainly just a cool thought I decided to write out and put out there, and see what other people think. i dont really care if it doesn't get added tbh, but if it does, it'd be cool

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I do like the most recent suggestion btw, it seems realistic and like a detail that'd be small but nice. Also maybe cerato could use this to its advantage if it wanted to build up bacteria in its mouth, it could kill something and leave it in the sun for a while to rot it quicker, and then eat it once it's rotten.

[cyan flame]

No, I'm just thinking of the demo video we got, where it does seem to work the same way. You pounce trike face, you die and just hang there. Except in stegos case, far as I know, you don't die if you pounce the tail. But both of them have the potential to have something hanging on their weapon of choice for a few moments at least.

You'd also, by your suggestion, have to add a massive debuff, which would potentially cause mixpacking due to sacrificing a few omnis to get something else to fight the stego or trike.

[cloud perch]

where can i get free grow?

[icy lion]

You'll have to be on a server that does those

[cloud perch]

and where is that?

[nimble cliff]

We don't need different variations of sniffing animations, one is enough, and I understand that you meant later down the line but even then its a waste of time and resources.

[icy lion]

Are you on legacy or evrima?

[cloud perch]

evrima

[icy lion]

I think the Zoo might do free grows, not sure though

[icy lion]

Try browsing through #unofficial-isle-communities

[cloud perch]

thx

[nimble cliff]

Don't entirely agree with the new Acro's design being bad, concept art doesn't look too good but the design is a one of those cool chunky Acro's. Alberto's new model can feel free to never come to the game though.

[unreal ridge]

its not bad I just feel like it was more unique originally y'know?

[nimble cliff]

Playstyle wise yeah, both designs are good but if its supposed to be like in the concept art legacy Acro is probably better in most scenarios.

[summer thistle]

Bruh every time I make a suggestion the check marks break

[limber hull]

@agile roost devs said its not happening, and I don't see why it should. Ruins the fun of navigation when you just press a single key to know the whole map

[agile roost]

ok

[proven river]

I gotchu bro

[limber hull]

I really don't know what else you can make a ceratopsian besides a violent little bastard

[urban flax]

A violent large bastard ?

[limber hull]

Exactly

The animal kinda is built for front-facing rage

I really like most of the ceratopsian concepts

[urban flax]

Trike should be a peaceful gentle giant

[limber hull]

Trike should gore juvi rexes because they coexisted with them for 10 seconds

[rancid raptor]

@proven river pretty much anything with horns is extremely aggressive towards predators
not "anything", but very many species

many of them have that in common

it's therefore not a stretch to assume the ceratopsians shared that same feature

and it's not a bad thing to implement it either.
Players are players. Herbis don't always want to chill and eat grass, the devs are aware of that.
So they predict that ceratopsians, in evrima, will be pretty aggressive

@north quiver no offense but absolutely not

we already have freedom to vomit by just eating too much, not that hard to do

either way, diets are already very easy to manage. If you don't plan your diet, and end up having to wait a slot out, that's on you. That would be your fault entirely

If you want, you can repeatidly swallow food until you vomit. That'll make you lose your diets partially, but will punish you in doing so

This is rlly cool

And it actually does give sense, realism-wise

But the scent shouldn't be very different, compared to plains vs forest

Just a tad bit would be good

[north quiver]

no offense taken but I know that. I’m not a fan of the extra work of making myself vomit so I’ve been liking the idea of being able to get rid of diets, especially ones that aren’t activated

[rancid raptor]

You can hope for community servers given the ability to mod in the very distant future? That will never be a feature in officials, but maybe community servers will have that as a feature sometime?

[rancid raptor]

@summer thistle

@unreal ridge Legacy's dino models/looks do not fit with the environment of EVRIMA.

[north quiver]

that’s probably not going to happen until years down the line. until then, I’ll advocate for changes

[rancid raptor]

They would stand out alot, not to mention that they simply don't look as good quality-wise

There should be no inspiration taken from legacy, as that branch was horrific

Perhaps not to the O.Gs, but from an objective point of view.. legacy was nothing compared to evrima. EVRIMA is way more appealing to the casual consumer.

[rancid raptor]

perhaps because devs have higher priorities

[north quiver]

they most definitely do

[tepid gate]

I think that's more down to immersion. Animals aren't quite able to just consult a map while traveling and moving around.

[limber hull]

that too

[rancid raptor]

Maps may become a thing in some community servers, but will never become a thing in officials.
Considering gateway's exceptional level design, maps won't even be needed.

Diets not lasting very long is a good thing. The whole point of a diet, or a large point at the very least, is that diets are supposed to make players move around

@topaz pendant therefore it's illogical to make diets last very long, would defeat part of its purpose

also, @unreal ridge , look at the difference

i don't see how legacy acro is more menacing than evrima's concept

look at its head

[tepid gate]

I mean it doesn't look more "menacing" it just doesn't look laughable so I guess that's more "menacing"

[north quiver]

an issue I’ve experienced along with many other people is having full hunger, yet your diets aren’t full. it makes it nearly impossible to fill them. and that’s just me playing as a herbivore and only eating my diets to keep them filled

[tepid gate]

I don't like legacy Acro playstyle, it is unique but doesn't fit that animal one-bit

[north quiver]

hunger seems to drain slower than diets

[tepid gate]

nah, it doesn't

it drains faster but just a tiny bit faster

there's a... "formula" I guess?

[rancid raptor]

then we go back to the fact that you need to plan your diet, and plan what you eat.

I never have that problem, because I don't eat recklessly

[tepid gate]

which determines how fast nutrients grow in comparison to hunger

it's the same on every playable

[tepid gate]

you don't have that problem because nutrients drain slower than hunger atm

it didn't use to be this way during U4 ST and it was very noticeable at the time

[north quiver]

1 line and 2 three dot. that’s what I always go with and over time (it’s not quick), your hunger gets way ahead of your diets so you can’t fill them

[tepid gate]

and the game was quite frankly speaking unplayable in a long run

[rancid raptor]

why don't i have the same problem?

and why isn't this a commonly spoken about issue?

[north quiver]

that’s why so many people want diet drain to specifically be slower than hunger drain. that’s why they choose the wording

[rancid raptor]

apparently it already is according to ake

[tepid gate]

Just fyi iirc that's the decreased stamina decay diet - it's not good that part either doesn't work or it actually nerfs you

[north quiver]

not sure but I’ve seen several suggestions wanting the same thing and they had a bunch of upvotes

[tepid gate]

well because it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to make the difference between the two bigger

it's kind of silly that nutrients drain that fast

[rancid raptor]

Making the difference larger would essentially discourage players to move as much as they currently do.

Keep in mind the butterfly effect that would cause.

[tepid gate]

the negative impact of that is that it leaves very little time for animals like Stego to do anything because they're trapped in a permanent cycle of running between the locations where their diets are

[north quiver]

I just want the stam regen lol

[tepid gate]

go for the S then

[rancid raptor]

stegos are currently strong asf. They can deal with that.
It's good that they have to move around, the same way it's good that every dino has to move around currently